The Irregular Trebuchet of Stephon Castle

[scott]

Welcome to San Antonio. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Note: Shout out to Extra Stout for the beautiful thread title suggestion. Maybe we look forward to the hundreds of pages to come.

[DAF86]

Time to root for this young black kid TD21

[couchman]

Nice title!! Let’s go Stephon!!

[DAF86]

Time to root for this young black kid TD21

[GoSpurs99]

L o L

I love the Pick! #GSG

[Em-City]

didn't we have another trebuchet-related player-thread?

[RC_Drunkford]

we're finally becoming the old Spurs again: best rim protector in the league paired with an elite perimeter defender. Let's hope he develops a jump shot soon.

[Chinook]

Is it weird that I like the Castle pick way less after the Dillingham trade? I don't know if it's because this might guarantee that Castle will play PG rather than playing whatever positions his talent dictates, if the lack of additional players might signal that guys like Wesley and Branham again have zero accountability and will have a clear path to minutes or if it's because the suggests the Spurs may not have done legit due diligence on the prospects. It just doesn't sit right with me.

[LeBowen]

didn't we have another trebuchet-related player-thread?

Dieng's shot was a a trebuchet, could be him, hamsters not running fast enough to check right now.

[z0sa]

Castle is nice, regardless of what happened with the 8th pick. Can't wait to see this guy in silver and black.

[Obstructed_View]

Twin trebuchets?

[Russ]

Me gusta Castle.

Dumb as a post, but he can play.
:flag:

[Rosewood]

Fan of this guy. Expecting big things in the next few years.

[BackHome]

Looking forward to seeing Castle help improve our defense it is going to be a fun year watching his development

[scott]

Is it weird that I like the Castle pick way less after the Dillingham trade? I don't know if it's because this might guarantee that Castle will play PG rather than playing whatever positions his talent dictates, if the lack of additional players might signal that guys like Wesley and Branham again have zero accountability and will have a clear path to minutes or if it's because the suggests the Spurs may not have done legit due diligence on the prospects. It just doesn't sit right with me.

Maybe it's just the letdown of the trade... but I feel ya. I like Castle a lot, but not as a PG. But it appears that is where we are going. Your Wesley/Branham comment is spot on. For a team so devoid of talent, kicking the can down the road to the next decade just seems... off.

[DAF86]

Is it weird that I like the Castle pick way less after the Dillingham trade? I don't know if it's because this might guarantee that Castle will play PG rather than playing whatever positions his talent dictates, if the lack of additional players might signal that guys like Wesley and Branham again have zero accountability and will have a clear path to minutes or if it's because the suggests the Spurs may not have done legit due diligence on the prospects. It just doesn't sit right with me.

No, it is perfectly logical. With Castle and Dillingham you probably had the perfect combo. A great mix of defense, size, playmaking and shooting. Two guys that complemented each other perfectly. Probably the best defensive player in the draft and the best offensive one.

Now, you just got a guy that you hope beyond hope can develop an average jumper, after failing to develop that trait in the last 5/6 guys you picked.

[freetiago]

Just what we needed, a 4th point guard who never played point guard and can’t shoot ��

[LeBowen]

I guess they're all in on point Castle train.
He better improve his playmaking skills over the summer because developing a shot will take some time.

As I saidd many times already, just because point Jeremy experiment failed, it doesn't mean Pop has given up on the idea.
I like this pick and I think he'll do well, but we need some shooting asap.

And Devin also needs to improve his playmaking.
I guess PATFO is trying to become Bucks 2.0.

Wemby is obviously Giannis 2.0.
Devin's numbers over his first four seasons are near-identical to Middleton's.
Castle's best case scenario is Jrue 2.0.

Will be great if it works out.

[DAF86]

So what are thinking:

Tre/Vassell/Castle/Sochan/Wemby

Castle/Vassell/Champagnie/Sochan/Wemby

Castle off the bench?

[Darkwaters]

Just what we needed, a 4th point guard who never played point guard and can’t shoot ��

Never played point guard?

His basketball career didn't begin last year.

[Chinook]

Maybe it's just the letdown of the trade... but I feel ya. I like Castle a lot, but not as a PG. But it appears that is where we are going. Your Wesley/Branham comment is spot on. For a team so devoid of talent, kicking the can down the road to the next decade just seems... off.

Yeah. Like even if you don't like Dillingham, every team always needs more wings, and almost all of the wings were still on the board. The Spurs have to reach the mountaintop before staying there, and this trade suggests they might take an even slower approach. It's fine that Castle may need some time to learn how to be an effective offensive player in the NBA. It's less fine if he has to learn that without the complimentary talent around him to help him grow.

Castle makes the most sense to me coming off the bench with a dynamic scoring guard. Malik Monk was the free-agent target I wanted most to fill that role, but he's not leaving SAC. Dillingham was almost a dream come true to fill that spot through the draft, but that's not going to happen. I would move on to Graham, as he does fit very well. But it's clear PATFO thinks very low of Devonte compared to Wesley and Branham. So I fear one or both of them will get the nod, the bench will underperform, and Pop will continue to act like there are no answers other than hoping those two play better.

I don't understand the point of having so many assets if you're going to freak out and piss them away because the lesser players you picked years ago keep blocking up the pipeline. They stopped the Spurs from using their second in 2022 and 2023. They discouraged the Spurs from trading up for a guard in 2023. Now they apparently justify passing on Dillingham in 2024. Are they going to continue to block guys in 2025?

[Seventyniner]

Yeah. Like even if you don't like Dillingham, every team always needs more wings, and almost all of the wings were still on the board. The Spurs have to reach the mountaintop before staying there, and this trade suggests they might take an even slower approach. It's fine that Castle may need some time to learn how to be an effective offensive player in the NBA. It's less fine if he has to learn that without the complimentary talent around him to help him grow.

Castle makes the most sense to me coming off the bench with a dynamic scoring guard. Malik Monk was the free-agent target I wanted most to fill that role, but he's not leaving SAC. Dillingham was almost a dream come true to fill that spot through the draft, but that's not going to happen. I would move on to Graham, as he does fit very well. But it's clear PATFO thinks very low of Devonte compared to Wesley and Branham. So I fear one or both of them will get the nod, the bench will underperform, and Pop will continue to act like there are no answers other than hoping those two play better.

I don't understand the point of having so many assets if you're going to freak out and piss them away because the lesser players you picked years ago keep blocking up the pipeline. They stopped the Spurs from using their second in 2022 and 2023. They discouraged the Spurs from trading up for a guard in 2023. Now they apparently justify passing on Dillingham in 2024. Are they going to continue to block guys in 2025?

I would call it the endowment effect but then they wouldn't have traded #8.

[Mr. Body]

We're all gonna love Castle before long, even (most of) the naysayers. The guy is a winner, hardass worker, hardass player, knows what he's doing, and will be like a cold shower on hot guards. There wasn't a Spursier player in the draft - and I mean that in all the best ways. This guy would have been a heavy rotation player in the glory days and he'll be a foundational piece now.

[Chinook]

We're all gonna love Castle before long, even (most of) the naysayers. The guy is a winner, hardass worker, hardass player, knows what he's doing, and will be like a cold shower on hot guards. There wasn't a Spursier player in the draft - and I mean that in all the best ways. This guy would have been a heavy rotation player in the glory days and he'll be a foundational piece now.

https://y.yarn.co/1591df37-4f1b-4c95-bfe3-a6eddb94c7ae_text.gif

[Dverde]

https://youtu.be/fTM-HtCXqJw?si=p1Le78z0L5PWbmLC

[skin27]

Castle play like derozan :lol

[heyheymymy]

The Alligator-Filled Defensive Moat of Stephon Castle

[SOMA Spur]

Still processing what the hell PATFO just put us through these past 24 hours. But looking at my final Big Board I had Castle at 3 and we grabbed him at 4 (so thats good...I guess). And as we SLOWLY collect championship pieces, he's definitely one of them. Welcome to SA!!!

[DAF86]

Castle play like derozan :lol

That has to be one of the worst comps I've seen in a while, tbh. :lol

DeRozan = midrange merchant wing that doesn't defend.

Castle = defensive minded guard that doesn't shoot middies.

[offset formation]

Still processing what the hell PATFO just put us through these past 24 hours. But looking at my final Big Board I had Castle at 3 and we grabbed him at 4 (so thats good...I guess). And as we SLOWLY collect championship pieces, he's definitely one of them*. Welcome to SA!!!

*if he finds his jump shot

Narrator: It's highly unlikely his jumpshot will be located as this has been said 8472 times in a row and said jump shot failed to appear as if'ed

[Knoxxx]

Now we have Cassle and Vassle

[benefactor]

I kind of feel bad for Castle. He's caught in the crossfire of Spurs fans that are pissed off because of what happened with the number 8 pick.

I think he will be better than most of the other trash on this roster. He has enough upside to contribute going forward wherever this team decides ahead. Right now it looks like a team that just wants to keep trading draft picks for draft picks lol

[exstatic]

Castle play like derozan :lol
A bizzaro world version that plays top notch defense, maybe.

[offset formation]

but can't buy a midrange jumper to save his life

[CorrectCrusader]

Is it weird that I like the Castle pick way less after the Dillingham trade? I don't know if it's because this might guarantee that Castle will play PG rather than playing whatever positions his talent dictates, if the lack of additional players might signal that guys like Wesley and Branham again have zero accountability and will have a clear path to minutes or if it's because the suggests the Spurs may not have done legit due diligence on the prospects. It just doesn't sit right with me.

I felt let down because I have less to look forward to next season. 2025 draft is where things get real for the spurs. Make or break.

[scott]

I kind of feel bad for Castle. He's caught in the crossfire of Spurs fans that are pissed off because of what happened with the number 8 pick.

I think he will be better than most of the other trash on this roster. He has enough upside to contribute going forward wherever this team decides ahead. Right now it looks like a team that just wants to keep trading draft picks for draft picks lol

Good point. I am legitimately excited about Castle. Let's see if the FO can salvage the rest of this abortion of an offseason and put him in a place to make All Rookie team.

[spurraider21]

Castle is Miduodala

[MaNu4Tres]

Castle initially will be the Jrue Holiday to Victor and Devin’s primary playmaking the same way Jrue played a fluid connector role with some hints of primary reps to Tatum and Brown’s playmaking as wings. They want to lean on Vic being the playmaker of the half court like a Luka and like LeBron.

As for Castle, he has more ball skills than he’s getting credit for and has more untapped ability there than he showed at UConn. Will he be a Ja? No. But he will use his athleticism in conjunction with his gears, and strength to still get to great spots for high percentage looks and passes out of the paint touch. It can be scaled as he develops further.

Excellent pick and versatile long modern PG who fits perfectly for the way the Spurs want to build around Vic.

The shot will come around and be in tune by the time it matters in 2-3 years.

The issue with his shot is inconsistent balance. When he’s straight up and down, it’s more consistent. When he fades and kicks his legs out is when inconsistency arises. Spurs are optimistic on the shot coming around quickly.



As for Dillingham, there was some stuff with his background that caused some pause. When they took Dilly in for a film session post workout like they do with every prospect, going over defensive possessions at Kentucky and possessions of the current personnel of the Spurs, he seemed lost about concepts and principles.

[DAF86]

As for Dillingham, there was some stuff with his background that caused some pause. When they took Dilly in for a film session post workout like they do with every prospect, going over defensive possessions at Kentucky and possessions of the current personnel of the Spurs, he seemed lost about concepts and principles.

Fine, then draft someone else.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRIELwSWsAAvRPz?format=png&name=900x900

[Mr. Body]

Well, at least we got Castle, presumably by accident.

[DAF86]

Is it just me or does Castle look a little bow-legged?

[vy65]

Misleading thread title. Trebuchets can shoot.

[itzsoweezee]

How many guards have gotten their career highs against the Spurs in the last few years? That shit is over now, unless Pop does something stupid like bring Castle off the bench

[vy65]

I really want to be excited by this guy. I do. But smaller Sochan just does not move the needle for a team needing an offensive boost as well. If only we could have also gotten an offense-first microwave type guy at 8, but the 2030s are more important.

[CGD]

Misleading thread title. Trebuchets can shoot.

😂 well played

[slick'81]

Love his defensive tools/tenacity . Can the spurs teach him to shoot?

[DAF86]

Misleading thread title. Trebuchets can shoot.

Well, Castle's shooting form kinda looks like a trebuchet, tbh.

[SpursBills]

This guy was #2 on my big board, but if he follows a normal developmental trajectory most of this board is going to absolutely hate him these next 2 years. I'm mainly going to be looking to see that his defense translates (if it doesn't then his bust risk skyrockets) and see if he can develop his playmaking. If he maintains ~80% from the FT line that'd be great.

Years it took to become a league average shooter:
Jalen Suggs: season 3
Marcus Smart: season 5, if ever
Jrue Holiday: season 1
Dyson Daniels: TBD, going on season 3
Dejounte Murray: season 3 (still shooting <2 3PA/game)? 6? 7?

[Seventyniner]

Castle getting #5 means the Spurs don't want to trade for Dejounte?

A rook (castle) in chess is traditionally worth 5 points. Coincidence?

[Ignazzz]

Misleading thread title. Trebuchets can shoot.

long distanceeeeee

[heyheymymy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRIELwSWsAAvRPz?format=png&name=900x900

damn dude so excited Spurs got Castle!

all this complaining on ST when Spurs actually had a huge night

[heyheymymy]

Is it just me or does Castle look a little bow-legged?

You know who I was saying looks like this is Tatum who walks like his knees bend reverse

Was thinking all playoffs how Tatum walks bowlegged like an antelope on it's hind legs

[Atl Spur]

I really want to be excited by this guy. I do. But smaller Sochan just does not move the needle for a team needing an offensive boost as well. If only we could have also gotten an offense-first microwave type guy at 8, but the 2030s are more important.

?? Sochan never played point guard prior to last year…. They are two different animals.

[Atl Spur]

Castle is gonna be a problem…..

[Thomas82]

Castle is gonna be a problem…..

RG3 (Robert Griffin III) said that we got ourselves an absolute bully on both ends of the court.

[GAustex]

Castle is gonna be a problem…..
With your record Miss Cleo it might be best you sit this one out.

[Knoxxx]

Castle day 1 PG starter per this:

https://athlonsports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/inside-spurs/news/stephon-castle-expected-to-play-point-guard-for-the-san-antonio-spurs

[Knoxxx]

Castle is a dog I had him over Risacher. I think he’s ahead of Sarr but I’d probably taken Sarr since we need a big versatile PF also and ones like Sarr are rare. At worst I had him as a coin flip with Sheppard but I like the leaning to towards defense I want the laughable blowouts and career high scoring crap against us to stop ASAP and Castle is as good a ticket as any for that.

Throw in that he can possibly be our PG solution and that sells me.

[NASpurs]

Castle is gonna be a problem…..


What a faggy thing to say. Sounds like one of those lame ass youtube videos. Not surprised you said it.

[Ice009]

Well, at least we got Castle, presumably by accident.

What do you mean by accident?

[Atl Spur]

Rent is always free……

[RC_Drunkford]

Rent is always free……

I‘m pretty sure you pay it monthly :lol

[cutewizard]

The Castle is being built

[cutewizard]

A tremendous pick

[Davidicus]

Does he go by Steph? (IG)

[exstatic]

What do you mean by accident?

Sarcasm. He’s one who’s mad that we didn’t take and keep 8 or 35. By accident, Spurs forgot to trade Castle. :lol

[ginobilized]

I love the Castle pick. I think that he can score 10 pts a game on backdoor cuts with Wemby passing from the high post.

He was Connecticut's leading scorer in the tourney, at age 19, btw. His ceiling is high. It was telling hearing Coach Hurley talk about Castle's parents and his work ethic. It sounds like a strong fit.

Wemby, Sochan, Castle, Wesley could be a very disruptive lineup. Hopefully we can add a couple of lengthy 3-4's and have a respectable team.

[exstatic]

I love the Castle pick. I think that he can score 10 pts a game on backdoor cuts with Wemby passing from the high post.

He was Connecticut's leading scorer in the tourney, at age 19, btw. His ceiling is high. It was telling hearing Coach Hurley talk about Castle's parents and his work ethic. It sounds like a strong fit.

Wemby, Sochan, Castle, Wesley could be a very disruptive lineup. Hopefully we can add a couple of lengthy 3-4's and have a respectable team.

I keep thinking of the inverted pick and rolls the Spurs ran last year, mostly after the All Star break. Now I’m thinking of 6’6” 210 Castle setting a bone jarring pick instead of 6’2” 190 Tre Jones, receiving the over the top flip pass from a doubled Wemby, and now Castle has the ball in a 4 on 3 situation, barreling downhill to the rim.

[RC_Drunkford]

I keep thinking of the inverted pick and rolls the Spurs ran last year, mostly after the All Star break. Now I’m thinking of 6’6” 210 Castle setting a bone jarring pick instead of 6’2” 190 Tre Jones, receiving the over the top flip pass from a doubled Wemby, and now Castle has the ball in a 4 on 3 situation, barreling downhill to the rim.

that's exactly where he will be most efficient in the beginning. His strength, wing span and footwork come in handy there.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Misleading thread title. Trebuchets can shoot.

Then the thread title should be "the brick castle of Stephon Castle."

[skin27]

Castle isnt a good 3pt shooter. I remember people here whinning about our pg cant shoot 3's but now the like castle.

[BackHome]

It's all about potential in the lottery your not going to get a another Wemby in your lifetime so you just hedge your bets. Yeah, looking at him he has things he needs to work on but you have very good building blocks of someone who was a top 3 defender in this draft, and someone who can take it to the rim and still find Wemby when he is open. I am happy with the pick if he can improve his shooting he has a legit chance to be the best player from this draft.

[heyheymymy]

Officially coining the Castle Wemby era:

Area 5,1

The Alien Castle

[Spurminator]

I thought it would be The Castle Doctrine.

[Obstructed_View]

Castle isnt a good 3pt shooter. I remember people here whinning about our pg cant shoot 3's but now the like castle.
Even if he can't shoot, he's an upgrade over Tre.

[heyheymymy]

Can't wait for these Excalibur H-E-B commercials with Castle at the knights roundtable like this H-E-B brand mead quenches the thirst for king and country

here everything's better

[Raven]

Is it weird that I like the Castle pick way less after the Dillingham trade? I don't know if it's because this might guarantee that Castle will play PG rather than playing whatever positions his talent dictates, if the lack of additional players might signal that guys like Wesley and Branham again have zero accountability and will have a clear path to minutes or if it's because the suggests the Spurs may not have done legit due diligence on the prospects. It just doesn't sit right with me.

i still don't understand why would anyone draft castle, if not as a pg. if he's not defending pgs, there's really no value there. IMO we drafted the perfect fit defensively, as sochan and champagnie already can guard the perimeter extremely well. We needed someone for pgs that can switch on forwards well enough. We got that. The objective for this season, is to get a top 5 team in defensive rating.

[Mr. Body]

i still don't understand why would anyone draft castle, if not as a pg. if he's not defending pgs, there's really no value there. IMO we drafted the perfect fit defensively, as sochan and champagnie already can guard the perimeter extremely well. We needed someone for pgs that can switch on forwards well enough. We got that. The objective for this season, is to get a top 5 team in defensive rating.

Cross-matching is always a thing. A player does one thing on offense and another on defense. More specifically, guarding a player who is not guarding you. Regardless of what Castle is doing on offense, he will probably be covering the main perimeter threat, whether they're a PG or SG or even SF, depending on whether that might be Sochan's assignment.

[Raven]

Cross-matching is always a thing. A player does one thing on offense and another on defense. More specifically, guarding a player who is not guarding you. Regardless of what Castle is doing on offense, he will probably be covering the main perimeter threat, whether they're a PG or SG or even SF, depending on whether that might be Sochan's assignment.

i think that's the idea, but let's be real, he doesn't have the tools to guard the good sfs in the league. Sochan does fortunately.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMAwDdfLZA

No Ceilings absolutely loves Castle. And continue to say the question about whether he's a point guard makes little sense anymore. Of course Castle can play point, but one thing he was doing at UConn was increasingly playing off the ball. In the Huskies system he was dangerous all over the floor.

In terms of handle, it's much stronger than you'd think. In terms of passing, much stronger than you'd think. He's a lower usage point who is looking to be part of attacks from all over. Sets great screens for his size. Cuts very well. Understands how to slip, ghost screens, all the wrinkles a sophisticated offense will have. He'll not be a shot-focused or personal-focused player. He wants to move the ball around and crack defenses to pieces. It doesn't matter where he is.

Yeah, I don't get the Dillingham pass, but he's not in the vision of the team. I do think they want guys who can play multiple ways and see the game in different facets. Positional size is a major plus, which Castle has. He's brutally strong for his position. The little things he does, for a nineteen year-old. The knowledge and sense of the game and floor at his age is exceptional. He's going to play perimeter, often have the ball in his hand to get things started, but also play off-ball. That's the answer to position. On defense, he's going to get the main outside threat.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwoIinc_Ww

A longer video breakdown about what he can do on offense. 28:55 discusses his playmaking and passing, his assist:turnover ratio. "Is Castle a point guard? Who cares." As in, the question is pointless. In a more hidebound scheme where a single player pounds the ball in isolation (Charlotte, Atlanta) he's not going to work nearly as well as in a UConn/Spurs team where the sets are designed to mix defenses up and force defenders to make decisions all over the place. Castle has the smarts to exploit these schemes and the PG chops to start whatever he needs to, plus the off-ball chops to run other actions.

[r0drig0lac]

in

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMAwDdfLZA

No Ceilings absolutely loves Castle. And continue to say the question about whether he's a point guard makes little sense anymore. Of course Castle can play point, but one thing he was doing at UConn was increasingly playing off the ball. In the Huskies system he was dangerous all over the floor.

In terms of handle, it's much stronger than you'd think. In terms of passing, much stronger than you'd think. He's a lower usage point who is looking to be part of attacks from all over. Sets great screens for his size. Cuts very well. Understands how to slip, ghost screens, all the wrinkles a sophisticated offense will have. He'll not be a shot-focused or personal-focused player. He wants to move the ball around and crack defenses to pieces. It doesn't matter where he is.

Yeah, I don't get the Dillingham pass, but he's not in the vision of the team. I do think they want guys who can play multiple ways and see the game in different facets. Positional size is a major plus, which Castle has. He's brutally strong for his position. The little things he does, for a nineteen year-old. The knowledge and sense of the game and floor at his age is exceptional. He's going to play perimeter, often have the ball in his hand to get things started, but also play off-ball. That's the answer to position. On defense, he's going to get the main outside threat.


this is why he will be leathal as the screener for Wemby. Inverted pick & rolls is where he will be most effective early on and from my guess we'll see a lot of those.

[Russ]

Even if he can't shoot, he's an upgrade over Tre.

Castle seems more confident and willing to take threes in bigger games -- that might be a good sign.

In the first four games of the NCAA tournament, Castle took only 8 three attempts and hit only one. 1 of 8.

In the last two (Final Four games), he took ten and hit three. Not great but better.

At least it indicates he's not scared of the moment.

The case for Castle is simple -- he's a winner, a skilled winner.

The template is the "Villanova guys" on the Knicks, winners. The Knicks continue to acquire those guys.

Perhaps basketball is a team sport and not just an amalgam of measurables.

[Mr. Body]

this is why he will be leathal as the screener for Wemby. Inverted pick & rolls is where he will be most effective early on and from my guess we'll see a lot of those.

One of the craziest things that Wemby showed last year was that he's a great passer.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/SASpursCentral/status/1807109359706800386

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-g3kHxr4WOA

[Russ]

If you've got a penetrating point guard who is also a big physical defender, that's a championship level unicorn.

[BackHome]

Him and Wemby are going to be a terror for teams as they going to click together, and both have major basketball IQ so the Synergy between them is going to be fun to watch

[scott]

The BBIQ part of this cannot be understated. He’ll quickly be one of our best players just based on that alone. Besides Tre and Wemby, the rest of our roster has a dearth of BB intelligence.

[Knoxxx]

Early on I started picking up on the fact that Castle may be our BPA to draft. I wasn’t in and thought he was being overrated. As I studied up on him a bit I became increasingly excited about what he could do for us. The two man game with Clingan where he both threw and caught alley oop slams was a big seller with me. But, I also liked that he was more of a bully inside capable of punishing smaller guards with cuts, post ups, and lay ins. Playing in a high level program and sophisticated beautiful game type of system makes for a perfect fit. Then we consider that he is an absolute DAWG on defense and fills the only real gap that Sochan and Wemby leave in man to man D and I’m as happy with him as anyone we could have ended up with. I think he moves the needle for us much more than the 3 picks before him.

[Leetonidas]

It will be nice to have a 2nd high iq defensive player on the team

[scott]

Watching the video of him shooting in the gym, it looked like he was just fooling around and not even trying because he has no lift on his jump shot. This wasn’t something I noticed before, so I went back and looked as his tape and sure enough, the few highlight tapes where he is actually shooting, he does kind of a tippy toe jump shot. I wonder if just some work on using his lower body on the shot will yield some immediate dividends.

[tbdog]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

[Robz4000]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

Jimmy Butler imo

[Vienna]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

guard version of Kawhi?

[heyheymymy]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

DeJruente

[Mr. Body]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

A mix of Jrue, Kawhi,and Butler. All-Star and All Defense.

[kobyz]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

I say Jalen Williams, their ball skills, style and size are very similar, and Williams was also a non 3 point shooter his first two years in college

[baseline bum]

Like, what's Castles semi realistic ceiling? If everything went well, his broken shot becomes good for example, without going into extremes. His defense is Smart level. What player do you think Castle becomes?

Dennis Johnson

[spursparker9]

He should be able to make All rookie 1st team if given enough mins.

[baseline bum]

Maybe it's just the letdown of the trade... but I feel ya. I like Castle a lot, but not as a PG. But it appears that is where we are going. Your Wesley/Branham comment is spot on. For a team so devoid of talent, kicking the can down the road to the next decade just seems... off.

Feel like it's worth giving Castle a real shot at PG and never liked the idea of drafting him #4 and then Carter or Dillingham #8. Was rooting more for Holland or Cody Williams at #8 (didn't expect Buzelis would still be there) so both picks could play significant minutes.

[Mr. Body]

He should be able to make All rookie 1st team if given enough mins.

It's going to be Rob Dillingham five times.

[Pauleta14]

Jimmy Butler imo

Butler was a lot rawer than Castle when he came in the league

A lot has to happen but Castle's ceiling could be higher technically at least

[Ariel]

A mix of Jrue, Kawhi,and Butler. All-Star and All Defense.
I'm close to this. Jrue with more juice on offense, maybe not quite Jimmy but he's more crafty that Jrue. IF he can put his shot together, that is.

[Dejounte]

I don’t think anyone will ever be similar to Kawhi.

it’s easy to say Kawhi as a comparison for any young player with two way skills. But what separated Kawhi from anyone else and possibly anyone ever is his physical profile. He’s almost an anomaly as much as Wemby is with his wingspan and hand size ratio. Combine that with the way nearly all of his offensive moves look like they have been rehearsed a million times, like a robot doing it… it’s why his efficiency levels are through the roof. He can command every inch of his body to do the same exact motion every time.

Castle won’t be anything like that. He resembles Butler a lot just by how physical he is and how unbothered he is by physical contact.

[scott]

Feel like it's worth giving Castle a real shot at PG and never liked the idea of drafting him #4 and then Carter or Dillingham #8. Was rooting more for Holland or Cody Williams at #8 (didn't expect Buzelis would still be there) so both picks could play significant minutes.

I'm rapidly warming up to Point Castle because 1) I'm really excited we got him and 2) that's very likely the direction we're going.

[offset formation]

I'm rapidly warming up to Point Castle because 1) I'm really excited we got him and 2) that's very likely the direction we're going.

Love his fire and skill set he already has. I just promised myself I'd stop hoping for prospects to find their shot. So I hope he does find it because then he'd be the player we desperately need.

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, Kawhi comparisons are way too casual in the NBA world. The guy at his peak easily outplayed Giannis, Jimmy Butler, and Joel Embiid on his way to a title. At his healthiest, Kawhi was in the conversation for best player on the planet.

[Knoxxx]

https://www.si.com/betting/spurs-fans-will-love-stephon-castles-rookie-of-the-year-odds-for-2024-25-season

Castle tied 2nd for ROY odds.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.si.com/betting/spurs-fans-will-love-stephon-castles-rookie-of-the-year-odds-for-2024-25-season

Castle tied 2nd for ROY odds.

I have no idea who I'd pick. Some player who scores a lot, like Knecht. Could be Dillingham, but he probably will have a fairly limited role given their aspirations. I could see a dark horse like Carrington at the Wiz. Hmm... I don't think Sheppard will get quite enough touches.

There are few players I think will bust through to enough playing time and role to really pop. Except for Castle. I do think he'll get a lot of run and his role will be significant. Plus his background will get him operational pretty fast.

[scott]

Holland might be a decent bet for ROY. There shouldn't be anything standing in his way for major playing time, and he's the kind of player who will put up some highlight reel plays while posting some low-efficiency counting stats... although I will say Bickerstaff seems a real enough coach, not one of these tank masters, so maybe he doesn't foster that.

Clingan is another possibility. He could have a Walker Kessler-like defensive impact and put up a decent enough scoring average... assuming they move away from Ayton.

For a deep dark horse... how about Edey? Assuming Ja doesn't lose his damn mind again in the offseason, he'll be put in a good position with a well structured team, should get heavy minutes, and he isn't an unformed ball of clay who needs to learn how to play basketball.

Sarr and Risacher at top odds seem like sucker bets.

[DAF86]

The BBIQ part of this cannot be understated. He’ll quickly be one of our best players just based on that alone. Besides Tre and Wemby, the rest of our roster has a dearth of BB intelligence.

I hope it translates, tbh. Coming out of college Vassell and Sochan were also thought to be high IQ prospects.

[DAF86]

Holland might be a decent bet for ROY. There shouldn't be anything standing in his way for major playing time, and he's the kind of player who will put up some highlight reel plays while posting some low-efficiency counting stats... although I will say Bickerstaff seems a real enough coach, not one of these tank masters, so maybe he doesn't foster that.

Clingan is another possibility. He could have a Walker Kessler-like defensive impact and put up a decent enough scoring average... assuming they move away from Ayton.

For a deep dark horse... how about Edey? Assuming Ja doesn't lose his damn mind again in the offseason, he'll be put in a good position with a well structured team, should get heavy minutes, and he isn't an unformed ball of clay who needs to learn how to play basketball.

Sarr and Risacher at top odds seem like sucker bets.

Hollland will be a 3rd option behind Cade and Ivey. RoY usually goes to a player that has the chance to be a #1 option right away. Bub Carrington could be a dark horse if Wizards get rid of Poole.

[Mr. Body]

Holland is a good call. Edey is interesting. I don't think Carrington is ready for a lot of productive minutes just yet.

[DAF86]

I don't see Castle being on the RoY race, tbh. He will be behind Wemby, Vassell and Keldon in the pecking order. Maybe even behind Sochan and Tre too. I'm not expecting much from Castle offensively in his rookie season, tbh.

[heyheymymy]

great thoughts all re: ROY hopefuls

Knecht probably has the best overlap of counting stats generating player type, market exposure in LA, NBA ready day 1 skills/age and likely avail mins. That's my guess for ROY too

[Dejounte]

The rookie in the headlines the most will get ROY.

Chet was on a winning team and did highlight reel worthy things, that’s why he was in the running this past year. It would be his easily if Wemby didn’t exist.

If the Spurs become an “up and coming young team” this year and Castle is impactful, showing off great defensive play while playing off Wemby really well, then it’s his.

Risacher will have no chance because he’s a spot up shooter. Sarr will struggle to play basketball because he has no feel. Reed likely will come off the bench so he won’t have a chance to put up numbers. Buzelis might not get enough touches with DeMar and Lavine on the team. Clingan has a decent chance, I think. He doesn’t have much obstacles in his way and he plays the right way. I think they’ll bring Dillingham too slow in Minnesota. If Edey starts and Morant does a good job feeding him, he might get an easy 20 and 10 statline.

In the end, I think it’s a threeway race between Castle, Clingan, and Edey.

since it’s the second straight year where centers are the most dominant out of their rookie class, it might raise the value of the center prospects in the 2025 draft.

[heyheymymy]

They'll do Risacher so they can say "second French ROY #1 in a row" on ESPN

[Dejounte]

great thoughts all re: ROY hopefuls

Knecht probably has the best overlap of counting stats generating player type, market exposure in LA, NBA ready day 1 skills/age and likely avail mins. That's my guess for ROY too

I don’t believe the Lakers have ever done a good job showcasing their rookies tbh

[Dejounte]

I don't see Castle being on the RoY race, tbh. He will be behind Wemby, Vassell and Keldon in the pecking order. Maybe even behind Sochan and Tre too. I'm not expecting much from Castle offensively in his rookie season, tbh.

I think Keldon’s gone. Tre and Castle will barely be on the court together, IMO. Castle will have more onball opportunities than Sochan will.

[DAF86]

I think Keldon’s gone. Tre and Castle will barely be on the court together, IMO. Castle will have more onball opportunities than Sochan will.

I know Castle and Tre won't share the court much, I'm just saying Tre will probably post better stats (even if he starts off the bench). I don't see the 5th or 6th best scorer of a team winning RoY, tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

Even if Castle does his job extremely well and is a great defender & a net positive on the offensive end, he won't get the attention of a scorer... even a relatively inefficient scorer. ROY rarely goes to a solid glue guy with good impact numbers.

[Dejounte]

There was a “Derrick White wave” leading up to the end of All Star voting last year. Derrick got his love from a lot of the media. This will be the same wave that could get the ROY Castle train going. There’s a section of the media and NBA fanbase that loves defense and smart play. All it takes to ignite it all is to have one of these NBA player podcasters to show Castle some love for his all around play, IMO.

[heyheymymy]

I don’t believe the Lakers have ever done a good job showcasing their rookies tbh

It feels like largely a PPG award, Knecht is a 3PT shooter ready to go on day 1 in the LA market fluff on a roster in shambles but you're right LAL could screw even that up lol

[scott]

I'd love to see Castle get some sneaky All-Defensive 2nd team votes more than I'd care about him get ROTY

[heyheymymy]

I'm liking the Edey, Holland and Carrington calls

Interesting thoughts

[RC_Drunkford]

Castle will get a lot of usage as PG. He'll be in the race, not sure if he can win it though.

[DAF86]

This got me thinking, what do you think Castle's numbers will look like?

I'm guessing around 10 ppg, 4 apg, 3 rpg, 0.7 stls. 44% shooting, 30% 3pt shooting. 28/30 mpg.

[scott]

I'll go with 12/5/3, 32% 3P%. Might be homer glasses, I think his shot will see quicker improvement if he can just get a little more lift on his shot.

[ace3g]

This got me thinking, what do you think Castle's numbers will look like?

I'm guessing around 10 ppg, 4 apg, 3 rpg, 0.7 stls. 44% shooting, 30% 3pt shooting. 28/30 mpg.

Was thinking about this as well considering "strength" of this draft; if Castle excels at PG, do you think he has a chance at ROY?

[DAF86]

Was thinking about this as well considering "strength" of this draft; if Castle excels at PG, do you think he has a chance at ROY?

Well, of course. If Castle "excels" at PG next to Wemby, then he would be the favourite to win it, imho.

[Dejounte]

Malcolm Brogdon won ROY in 2017 on 10/3/4 averages. I think Castle will be around that.

Between 10/3/4 to 16/6/6, IMO.

[ace3g]

Would be cool to have B2B ROYs

[Pauleta14]

Even if Castle does his job extremely well and is a great defender & a net positive on the offensive end, he won't get the attention of a scorer... even a relatively inefficient scorer. ROY rarely goes to a solid glue guy with good impact numbers.

He can if Spurs out perform expectations.

They've used that argument of team results for a while against Vic

[Pauleta14]

This got me thinking, what do you think Castle's numbers will look like?

I'm guessing around 10 ppg, 4 apg, 3 rpg, 0.7 stls. 44% shooting, 30% 3pt shooting. 28/30 mpg.

If he plays 28/30mpg I can see him average +1.5 stl/game

I agree for the rest, depending on what tasks and PT he's given of course

[DAF86]

If he plays 28/30mpg I can see him average +1.5 stl/game

I agree for the rest, depending on what tasks and PT he's given of course

He averaged 0.8 stls on 27 mpg in college. He isn't really a stat stuffer.

[TD 21]

Yeah, Kawhi comparisons are way too casual in the NBA world. The guy at his peak easily outplayed Giannis, Jimmy Butler, and Joel Embiid on his way to a title. At his healthiest, Kawhi was in the conversation for best player on the planet.

:lmao Nice story. Now here's the reality: Antetokounmpo and Embiid were pre/early prime, the latter was both hurt and sick and Butler is neither a superstar nor was he a good fit on an ill fitting, hastily assembled 76ers roster.

Meanwhile, Scumbag had his usual pristine conditions: A whopping 95 games of rest the previous 2 years and a roster replete with 3 and D, positional size and veterans who'd been on good teams and knew this was their one chance (if they got a Curry/Durant injury) at an (asterisk) championship.

[R. DeMurre]

:lmao Nice story. Now here's the reality: Antetokounmpo and Embiid were pre/early prime

:lol Giannis was MVP in 2019 and finished 2nd in DPOY

[Pauleta14]

He averaged 0.8 stls on 27 mpg in college. He isn't really a stat stuffer.

He'll have a lot less duties and as usual with Pop, your defensive impact dictates your playing time.

Just a bet but I can see him focusing on the D and showcasing himself in that area while working progressively his offense.

[TD 21]

:lol Giannis was MVP in 2019 and finished 2nd in DPOY

I'm well aware. He was still pre/early prime though at 24 and that was the Bucks first season in championship contention.

Scumbag is a great front runner, but the second adversity hits he takes his ball and goes home.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm well aware. He was still pre/early prime though at 24 and that was the Bucks first season in championship contention.


It seems like you rate 75% of championships with asterisks. You don't think Kawhi was a top nba player in 2019? His leading the playoffs in points and win shares that year was all just luck?

[DAF86]

Kawhi was definitely in the conversation for best player in the World from 2017 to 2019, tbh. Even Pop went out of character and said Kawhi was the best player in the World back in 2017.

[DAF86]

He'll have a lot less duties and as usual with Pop, your defensive impact dictates your playing time.

Just a bet but I can see him focusing on the D and showcasing himself in that area while working progressively his offense.

If the PG rumours are true, then I'm not sure Castle will have less duties than on college, tbh.

Also, steals aren't a matter of duties. It's just a skill you either have or you don't have. Nobody had more offensive duties than Iverson in the early 2000's and he always lead the NBA in steals. Same with Jordan.

[TrainOfThought5]

Yeah, Kawhi comparisons are way too casual in the NBA world. The guy at his peak easily outplayed Giannis, Jimmy Butler, and Joel Embiid on his way to a title. At his healthiest, Kawhi was in the conversation for best player on the planet.


*whispers* at his healthiest, Kawhi was on track to supplant Jordan as the GOAT.

[TD 21]

It seems like you rate 75% of championships with asterisks. You don't think Kawhi was a top nba player in 2019? His leading the playoffs in points and win shares that year was all just luck?

Now you're just being intentionally obtuse.

Only most of the Warriors ones and the Craptors one and it's not about dislike. I couldn't stand the Bulls or Lakers, yet I don't include them in that.

Of course he was a top player, but the top was still indisputably James back then.

I didn't say his level of play was luck, I said he's only thrived in pristine circumstances.

[scott]

I'm not sure I know anything about anything... but in the Zaza year, Nephew and Lebron were far and away the two best players in the league, IMO, and THAT version of Kawhi was on his way to being the best player in the league for years to come. It's all what could have been though. We're in Wemby's world now.

[TD 21]

I'm not sure I know anything about anything... but in the Zaza year, Nephew and Lebron were far and away the two best players in the league, IMO, and THAT version of Kawhi was on his way to being the best player in the league for years to come. It's all what could have been though. We're in Wemby's world now.

Scumbag wasn't even second, Durant was. He was in the next tier with Curry, Davis and Harden and never had the play making or was the galvanizing force needed to be the best.

[lefty20]

Scumbag wasn't even second, Durant was. He was in the next tier with Curry, Davis and Harden and never had the play making or was the galvanizing force needed to be the best.

Nah, Durant was getting his shit pushed in by Nephew. Neph & LBJ were def Tier 1. What he lacked in playmaking was made up by his defensive impact.

[TD 21]

Nah, Durant was getting his shit pushed in by Nephew. Neph & LBJ were def Tier 1. What he lacked in playmaking was made up by his defensive impact.

For a whole less than one full game.

A perimeter player can't have enough defensive impact to offset a lack of play making, which is the co-most important skill because it allows one to make their teammates better.

James was in a tier all his own for about 12 years.

[RC_Drunkford]

C84zkmcRPXO

[SpursDynasty85]

A slower and more methodical Justice Winslow.

[Knoxxx]

C84zkmcRPXO

Spurs culture baby!!!

[NASpurs]

Who's the kid behind TD? Is that TD's son?

[ace3g]

Who's the kid behind TD? Is that TD's son?

Yeah, that is him.

[lefty20]

Who's the kid behind TD? Is that TD's son?

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[NASpurs]

Future Spur Draven Duncan :smokin

[timtonymanu]

Damn I still remember Timmy carrying him around during the 2014 title celebration

[RC_Drunkford]

That‘s why we got that 2031 pick

[playbonner15]

That‘s why we got that 2031 pick
Are the 2030 & 2031 picks for Timmy and Manu's sons? :lol

[playbonner15]

didn't we have another trebuchet-related player-thread?

Yeah this one for Dieng -> https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290167 :lol

[Mr. Body]

“Everybody’s super locked in. We don't care who take shots. We don't try to rush anything. We don't care who gets to shine. Trying to just go out and go for yours is not helping us. I think we have one of the best coaches. I mean, I don’t know what it’s like at any other school, but it's definitely the best culture team I've ever played for and hopefully I'll be able to take that with me the rest of my career.”

[DAF86]

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[scott]

Maybe I missed it, but can't believe this was never brought up before:

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[objective]

He'll have a lot less duties and as usual with Pop, your defensive impact dictates your playing time.

Just a bet but I can see him focusing on the D and showcasing himself in that area while working progressively his offense.

What's that with Pop?

Forbes averaged more minutes than Derrick White in 3 of the 4 years they played together

[timvp]

Maybe I missed it, but can't believe this was never brought up before:

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:depressed

[Ice009]

“Everybody’s super locked in. We don't care who take shots. We don't try to rush anything. We don't care who gets to shine. Trying to just go out and go for yours is not helping us. I think we have one of the best coaches. I mean, I don’t know what it’s like at any other school, but it's definitely the best culture team I've ever played for and hopefully I'll be able to take that with me the rest of my career.”

Who's that quote from? Stephon?

[Ariel]

I think they’ll bring Dillingham too slow in Minnesota.
Doesn't seem to be the case: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5595350/2024/06/27/timberwolves-tim-connelly-rob-dillingham/

"He’s a guy who from Day 1 is going to have a role and a responsibility,” Connelly said. “Certainly it’s going to be hard for him. But I don’t think you’re that aggressive in the top 10 with a guy you don’t think can play right away"

[exstatic]

Jimmy Butler imo

I’m hoping for Jrue.

[Kevin]

Derrik White isn't a horrible comp either.

[Pauleta14]

What's that with Pop?

Forbes averaged more minutes than Derrick White in 3 of the 4 years they played together

Fair enough for Forbes. Any other counter examples?

It looks like it's the exception that confirms the rule. If you're a defensive liability it's usually hard to get playing time without impressive offensive talent (like TP able to take cae of the ball despite shitty defender at least in RS)

[FlAVaK]

Maybe I missed it, but can't believe this was never brought up before:

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you missed this from: The Spurs Made the Right Decisions to Draft Stephon Castle


Oh, and part of the destiny has to be the fact that Castle’s dad was Tim Duncan’s college teammate at Wake Forest.

[Obstructed_View]

Fair enough for Forbes. Any other counter examples?

It looks like it's the exception that confirms the rule. If you're a defensive liability it's usually hard to get playing time without impressive offensive talent (like TP able to take cae of the ball despite shitty defender at least in RS)

Anthony Tolliver, Matt Bonner, Patty Mills, Marco Belinelli. That's just off the top of my head.

[GAustex]

:depressed

Reeling in them years slaps you in the face

Come on join me in the ride

[Pauleta14]

Anthony Tolliver, Matt Bonner, Patty Mills, Marco Belinelli. That's just off the top of my head.

Not sure about Tolliver but the other 3 gained their PT bc of their offenive skills/efficiency. Wouldn't be on the floor if they couldn't nail their 3

[Obstructed_View]

Not sure about Tolliver but the other 3 gained their PT bc of their offenive skills/efficiency. Wouldn't be on the floor if they couldn't nail their 3

Matt Bonner started for two seasons despite being terrible.

[stnick2261]

“Everybody’s super locked in. We don't care who take shots. We don't try to rush anything. We don't care who gets to shine. Trying to just go out and go for yours is not helping us. I think we have one of the best coaches. I mean, I don’t know what it’s like at any other school, but it's definitely the best culture team I've ever played for and hopefully I'll be able to take that with me the rest of my career.”

I assume this is about Castle's experience at UCONN? Just another reason to steal Hurley as a Pop replacement eventually

[Obstructed_View]

I assume this is about Castle's experience at UCONN? Just another reason to steal Hurley as a Pop replacement eventually

He might take a Spurs job for all the reasons he didn't take the Lakers job.

[Pauleta14]

Matt Bonner started for two seasons despite being terrible.

:pop:"He spreads the floor"

(+ the legendary mysterious +/- champion :lol)

[Obstructed_View]

:pop:"He spreads the floor"

(+ the legendary mysterious +/- champion :lol)
To this day, I don't understand how that retard could chase the ball around like a first grader and finish the game with a better plus minus than Timmy.

[Pauleta14]

To this day, I don't understand how that retard could chase the ball around like a first grader and finish the game with a better plus minus than Timmy.
.
I trully hate this stat.

It's such a dangerous one that involves so many other factors than the production of a player.

Too many times creates confusions between correlation and causation

[ambchang]

To this day, I don't understand how that retard could chase the ball around like a first grader and finish the game with a better plus minus than Timmy.

He was a relatively low mistake player who spreads the floor. The spurs were skewing towards the drive and kick style of Parker in those days, and bonnet was able to pull a big out to open up the lane.

[ace3g]

Contract signed

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[KobesAchilles]

After watching Sochan shoot, I have zero faith in Castle developing his shot.

[TimmehC]

After watching Sochan shoot, I have zero faith in Castle developing his shot.

His form is already way better. Sochan's has regressed really badly based on the footage from Team Poland.

[KobesAchilles]

His form is already way better. Sochan's has regressed really badly based on the footage from Team Poland.
Hopefully Castle brings in his own shooting coach to the team

[DAF86]

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I don't know why his demeanor reminds me of Kawhi so much.

[Ariel]

Hopefully Castle brings in his own shooting coach to the team
Seriously. WTF are they doing? Every day that goes by and they don't address it, it's worse. I remember Pop saying something along the lines of "if it goes in, you don't mess with it". Well, guess what? It isn't going in. A franchise that keeps drafting non shooters and loses their coaches to other teams is baffling. Fred Vinson, reputable shooting coach that worked with Lonzo, Ingram, Herb Jones, was just hired by Detroit. Meanwhile, Kevin Tran's shot looks better and faster than Sochan's. :bang

[Dverde]

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I don't know why his demeanor reminds me of Kawhi so much.

He is like a machine like Nephew. He wants to be great and will put in the work. Sometimes the work can’t fix a jumpshot, but he seems like one up for the challenge.

[Trueblood]

Hopefully Castle brings in his own shooting coach to the team

hopefully not because it obviously hasn’t been working

[scott]

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He's a Spur already, gang.

[spursparker9]

:lol

His speaking tone is as flat as Nephew tbh. Robot-esque

[Raven]

.
I trully hate this stat.

It's such a dangerous one that involves so many other factors than the production of a player.

Too many times creates confusions between correlation and causation

that's because you, as many others, clearly struggle with the difference between a stat and an analysis. +- is a perfect stat.

[heyheymymy]

HOLY SHIT Castle is such a badass, man. What a cool dude.

Love that response. You can hang out with Drake or Kdot which party do you pick. Castle: "I'm not going" lol

Also crazy only Ron Holland picks Kendrick over Drake? Holland was the only cool one besides Castle who also had a cool answer and I've give a pass to Sheppard since he had a cool story as to why.

[heyheymymy]

Love those signing photos. Some really good energy going on in those pics. Castle looks so emotional shaking hands with BWright.

What a wonderful looking family such good vibes all around and dad looks so proud hugging Castle. I'm thrilled for them and so excited to have the Castles on board. We got so lucky as Spurs fans.

Notice Castle's tattoo: "Family". Spurs material.

[Mr. Body]

Man I thought the kids were better than this. Are Zoomers really into Drake? :lmao Must have been the draft process: untick the boxes on any Drake fans. He got destroyed. Let them go.

[CGD]

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I don't know why his demeanor reminds me of Kawhi so much.

Dude i had the same thought, and it scared me lol.

[CGD]

HOLY SHIT Castle is such a badass, man. What a cool dude.

Love that response. You can hang out with Drake or Kdot which party do you pick. Castle: "I'm not going" lol

Also crazy only Ron Holland picks Kendrick over Drake? Holland was the only cool one besides Castle who also had a cool answer and I've give a pass to Sheppard since he had a cool story as to why.

The question was whose party, not who was the best rapper. Definitely going with the Drake party option 100% of the time.

[Pauleta14]

that's because you, as many others, clearly struggle with the difference between a stat and an analysis. +- is a perfect stat.

You didn't take much time thinking before answering, did you? The thrill of going at someone was to tempting I suppose...

Thx for letting me know what I should like and dislike genius! :lol

[Uriel]

Castle is a Nephew clone. Robotic. Quiet. Low key. Hard worker. Machine. He even has the same hairstyle.

Let’s just hope he doesn’t have an uncle whispering in his ear all day.

[Obstructed_View]

Castle wants to be in San Antonio. Kawhi always wanted to be in SoCal.

[z0sa]

Castle wants to be in San Antonio. Kawhi always wanted to be in SoCal.

Same as Wemby. These guys might have an Uncle, but he's whispering go to SA and win titles lol

[Obstructed_View]

Same as Wemby. These guys might have an Uncle, but he's whispering go to SA and win titles lol
Exactly. San Antonio is going to be the center of the basketball world for the next decade.

[RC_Drunkford]

his dad was Timmy's team mate at Wake Forest and his last coach was Dan Hurley. I doubt he wants to go to the Lakers, since he doesn't like partying anyway :lol

[Mr. Body]

Castle was well-liked by his UConn teammates, by any account I've seen. He's just a kind of awkward dude who's not personable. I've never heard much about people liking Kawhi. He's just an asshole.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi also demands and receives special treatment at LAC. I don't see Castle wanting that.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1808597419208114317

[ace3g]

https://x.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1808605698596745557

[RC_Drunkford]

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[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgscvxqPbTE

[timtonymanu]

I’m sure the kid will be fine but hyping him up because he “doesn’t talk a lot,” reeks of that spurs culture that also liked primo because of how mature he handled himself :lol. I would rather be excited because the kid has talent, not how he doesn’t like drake or like partying. Show me basketball talent that will help Wemby win games.

[mudyez]

If he ever needs a voice double, we can offer Timmy a nice job.

[BackHome]

I like the kid he seem to have the right attitude that is going to help him achieve his goals which hopefully is one day winning a NBA Championship...:lobt2:

[Obstructed_View]

I’m sure the kid will be fine but hyping him up because he “doesn’t talk a lot,” reeks of that spurs culture that also liked primo because of how mature he handled himself :lol. I would rather be excited because the kid has talent, not how he doesn’t like drake or like partying. Show me basketball talent that will help Wemby win games.
That was a perfectly valid reason to like Primo. Bagging on people who said that when he left for non-basketball reasons is a weak flex.

[timtonymanu]

That was a perfectly valid reason to like Primo. Bagging on people who said that when he left for non-basketball reasons is a weak flex.

Proves my point even more, stop basing your picks/evaluation on how nice players are. Not sure how that’s some flexing. Because as we’ve seen with primo and even a guy like Forbes, these guys didn’t have the personal lives that were “spurs culture,” and it backfired in the situation with Primo. I dont want the focus on castle to be “oh he’s so spurs like cause he doesn’t party or listen to drake.” I just want to see that the guy is capable of helping Wemby and being here for the long run. And not base his value on how “spursian” he is.

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Proves my point even more, stop basing your picks/evaluation on how nice players are. Not sure how that’s some flexing. Because as we’ve seen with primo and even a guy like Forbes, these guys didn’t have the personal lives that were “spurs culture,” and it backfired in the situation with Primo. I dont want the focus on castle to be “oh he’s so spurs like cause he doesn’t party or listen to drake.” I just want to see that the guy is capable of helping Wemby and being here for the long run. And not base his value on how “spursian” he is.
That's all there is at this point. People are excited.

Look, dude, if you're gonna get triggered and bitch because people are talking about the new Spurs, then maybe a forum called "Spurstalk" isn't for you.

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Castle is a Nephew clone. Robotic. Quiet. Low key. Hard worker. Machine. He even has the same hairstyle.

Let’s just hope he doesn’t have an uncle whispering in his ear all day.

He's like Vassell imo. Both of whom happen to hail from Georgia.

[timtonymanu]

That's all there is at this point. People are excited.

Look, dude, if you're gonna get triggered and bitch because people are talking about the new Spurs, then maybe a forum called "Spurstalk" isn't for you.

You can have your Dwight Howard is the black Kevin love takes. I’ll do what I want, mind your business tbh.

[Knoxxx]

Is it another thread Jack by another old married couple?!? :married:

[timtonymanu]

:lol I'm good.

Anyway I'm excited for Castle. Just want to fast forward to see what he will look like in an NBA game. I just hope his skill translates to the court and we are not just here raving about his character/culture after it's all said and done. I think he will do well, but I'm not gonna fawn over the comments about "oh man, he doesn't party," and make that my marker for wanting him to be around the team.

[Knoxxx]

:lol I'm good.

Anyway I'm excited for Castle. Just want to fast forward to see what he will look like in an NBA game. I just hope his skill translates to the court and we are not just here raving about his character/culture after it's all said and done. I think he will do well, but I'm not gonna fawn over the comments about "oh man, he doesn't party," and make that my marker for wanting him to be around the team.

We are all antsy to see Castle play. He seems perfect, probably hang out with Wemby and play Minecraft on their free evenings.

[Obstructed_View]

You can have your Dwight Howard is the black Kevin love takes. I’ll do what I want, mind your business tbh.
You aspire to a take that insightful, retard. :lol

[rascal]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1808597419208114317

Leave the kid alone. Let him play basketball.

[timtonymanu]

You aspire to a take that insightful, retard. :lol

No, a retard thinks Dwight Howard is the black Kevin Love. Now flock to any other thread with your bad takes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1808967881985552868

[BackHome]

Thanks for the Vids Ace.

[Pauleta14]

No idea why most of you (in diff threads) put him at the 2 or 3.

To me he needs to learn from the start the PG position and use as (potentially) little time he'll have with CP3.

Not only that's clealy what he wants but he can become better defensive version of SGA

Let's not waste time moving him aound bc he's a rookie

[scott]

No idea why most of you (in diff threads) put him at the 2 or 3.

To me he needs to learn from the start the PG position and use as (potentially) little time he'll have with CP3.

Not only that's clealy what he wants but he can become better defensive version of SGA

Let's not waste time moving him aound bc he's a rookie

Just because he starts at SF doesn’t mean he won’t log minutes at PG and learn from PG. I think it’s actually important for him to play a little at both this season, that versatility will be key because we don’t know who will be there to draft next year. Maybe it’s Traore, in which case Castle will be a 3. Maybe it will be Dylan Harper and Castle will be a 1.

[BackHome]

As long as they don’t do something stupid like they did with Sochan. But yeah you can do what they did with Wemby when they allowed him to play the 4 and when that didn’t work out moved him to 5 where he flourished.

But in doing this you’re pretty much allowing Pop to go all in on his “Mad Scientist” persona which would allow us to get a top 10 pick so I am cool with that. It is going to be interesting to see how Pop staggers playing time for Castle, Blake, and Branham. It is there contract year so I think he gives them a chance of either staying with us or finding a new home like a Walker.

[Pauleta14]

Just because he starts at SF doesn’t mean he won’t log minutes at PG and learn from PG. I think it’s actually important for him to play a little at both this season, that versatility will be key because we don’t know who will be there to draft next year. Maybe it’s Traore, in which case Castle will be a 3. Maybe it will be Dylan Harper and Castle will be a 1.

PG is a paticular position, if he's meant to be the head of the snake and the relay of the coach he needs to start asap and get as much reps as possible imo

Pop knows better but that's what I see him do, any time CP3 isn't on the floor of course.

[The Truth #6]

How they see our point guard future is going to be fascinating. With Tre being I think in a contract year, then we have Castle and CP3, who may or may not go to a contender, then Wesley still hanging around. Anyway. As hilarious as it sounds, some stiff competition for third string point guard.

[scott]

PG is a paticular position, if he's meant to be the head of the snake and the relay of the coach he needs to start asap and get as much reps as possible imo

Pop knows better but that's what I see him do, any time CP3 isn't on the floor of course.

He can also easily get some of that head of the snake experience by playing point forward while CP3 is sharing the court with him. I'm not too worried about CP3 and he both starting being an impairment on him learning to be a PG, I think it will be fine.

[TD 21]

No idea why most of you (in diff threads) put him at the 2 or 3.

To me he needs to learn from the start the PG position and use as (potentially) little time he'll have with CP3.

Not only that's clealy what he wants but he can become better defensive version of SGA

Let's not waste time moving him aound bc he's a rookie

:lmao Gilgeous-Alexander is a top 5 player in the league.

In his second season, after establishing himself as a prospect with a star trajectory, he played SG next to . . . Paul.

[Knoxxx]

Paul is a bit older now but it’s hard not not to see some SGA in Castle.

[Pauleta14]

:lmao Gilgeous-Alexander is a top 5 player in the league.

In his second season, after establishing himself as a prospect with a star trajectory, he played SG next to . . . Paul.

I'm happy to make you that happy tbh, but no idea what made u think I was referring to Castle's rookie season when comparing him with SGA...

I'm talking about his potential

As for the SG position, we kinda have someone that matters at that spot

[Pauleta14]

He can also easily get some of that head of the snake experience by playing point forward while CP3 is sharing the court with him. I'm not too worried about CP3 and he both starting being an impairment on him learning to be a PG, I think it will be fine.

True and Pop knows better but if Vassell is supposed to take the next step how do ou put Castle at his position?

15' at PG and 15' at SG? It seems weid but we'll see...

[scott]

True and Pop knows better but if Vassell is supposed to take the next step how do ou put Castle at his position?

15' at PG and 15' at SG? It seems weid but we'll see...

I'd see him more as a ball handling SF

[Raven]

PG is a paticular position, if he's meant to be the head of the snake and the relay of the coach he needs to start asap and get as much reps as possible imo

Pop knows better but that's what I see him do, any time CP3 isn't on the floor of course.
not to mention, castle doesn't have the size to defend forwards.

[J_Paco]

not to mention, castle doesn't have the size to defend forwards.

Castle has more than adequate size (6'6.5" w/o shoes, 210 lbs, 6'9" wingspan) to guard wings. I think during his rookie campaign that Sochan will take the tougher assignments, anyway, so that will be beneficial to him too.

[Pauleta14]

not to mention, castle doesn't have the size to defend forwards.

Most of them indeed

Learning a position is hard enough, let alone the PG one, if he has to learn 2-3 positions at the same time...

[stnick2261]

Just because he starts at SF doesn’t mean he won’t log minutes at PG and learn from PG. I think it’s actually important for him to play a little at both this season, that versatility will be key because we don’t know who will be there to draft next year. Maybe it’s Traore, in which case Castle will be a 3. Maybe it will be Dylan Harper and Castle will be a 1.

Even if we draft Traore next year, that doesn't mean Castle will necessarily be a SF. He's big enough for it, but I think that takes him out of his advantage.

PG Traore / SG Vassell (16min)
PG Traore / SG Castle (16min)
PG Castle / SG Vassell (16min)


Most of them indeed

Learning a position is hard enough, let alone the PG one, if he has to learn 2-3 positions at the same time...

If you've seen any of the UCONN offense videos with Castle in them... he definitely seems smart enough to understand everything that's supposed to happen on the court.

[Ariel]

Most of them indeed

Learning a position is hard enough, let alone the PG one, if he has to learn 2-3 positions at the same time...
Castle played as a lead guard in high school and as more of an off-ball wing in college, I don't think it's a bad thing he gets to initiate his NBA career with 2 more established PGs ahead of him that can show him the ropes. Chris Paul is 39, he'll probably play less than 30 MPG and miss 20 games or more, there will probably be time for Castle to play PG during the season. Besides, it's a dynamic situation, if he performs well you can always make adjustments to give him more playing time at the position. All in all, by this time next year Chris Paul may be retired or on another team, Tre will be a free agent and Blake Wesley may be out of the league, there is no logjam and it's good to have options. Look at OKC for reference: SGA, Cason Wallace, Caruso, Ajay Mitchell, Topic... we've gotten used to a poverty mindset.

[BackHome]

You know Pop loves his PG projects if he legitimately drafted Castle to play PG he will definitely give him a lot of playing time. Even if he is not good Pop is still not going to yank him as he knows it is not a short process and it is going to take time to adjust to the NBA and his new teammates.

I think you are right some nights he might get 15 minutes and some nights like on back to backs or any blow outs he might get 30 minutes. The only thing they have to do is that he needs to play in every game as the fastest way to improve is to get playing time.

[TD 21]

I'm happy to make you that happy tbh, but no idea what made u think I was referring to Castle's rookie season when comparing him with SGA...

I'm talking about his potential

As for the SG position, we kinda have someone that matters at that spot

I know and I'm saying the odds of him being better than a top 5 player are obviously astronomically low.

Semantics. At this writing, Vassell might be listed as the nominal SF, but really Castle will primarily defend the POA from 1-3.

[Raven]

I know and I'm saying the odds of him being better than a top 5 player are obviously astronomically low.

Semantics. At this writing, Vassell might be listed as the nominal SF, but really Castle will primarily defend the POA from 1-3.

i don't get it, do you really plan on putting castle on lebron/donut/nephew/george?

[Pauleta14]

I know and I'm saying the odds of him being better than a top 5 player are obviously astronomically low.

Semantics. At this writing, Vassell might be listed as the nominal SF, but really Castle will primarily defend the POA from 1-3.

You mean becoming? Potentially I'm not sure.

SGA wasn't THAT impressive when he came into the league

It's all about work, dedication, environment etc

[scott]

Even if we draft Traore next year, that doesn't mean Castle will necessarily be a SF. He's big enough for it, but I think that takes him out of his advantage.

PG Traore / SG Vassell (16min)
PG Traore / SG Castle (16min)
PG Castle / SG Vassell (16min)



It's just my opinion, but I don't think the labels matter all that much. My hypothesis is that the Spurs view Castle as someone who can play 1-3, handle the ball at any time, and most importantly guard 1-3. Whether he is the PG, SG, or SF, I think his offers the flexibility to play with any other combinations. Line him up with Vassell and Champ? He's the "PG". Line him up with Paul and Keldon? He's the "SG". Line him up with Tre and Branham? He's the "SF" - but he's still the same player in all of those instances.

[drpill]

i don't get it, do you really plan on putting castle on lebron/donut/nephew/george?

Ideally he and Sochan will be working together to make those guys' lives hell. Castle named Doncic as the player he's most looking forward to guarding. I think he is up for the challenge of facing any of these guys, but when size is an issue, Sochan can be the primary defender.

[Mr. Body]

Sochan covers the bigger wings, Castle covers the smaller perimeter guys. They each can switch and handle outside their zones, but that would probably be the break-down.