The Irregular Trebuchet of Stephon Castle

[spursistan]

Had anybody actually heard of this “guard whisperer” guy before Steph?

KD, SGA, Evan Mobley, Klay thompson and plenty others attended his academy from the videos on his YT channel...Currenly Castle and VJ Edgecombe Yves Missi

https://www.youtube.com/@theguardwhisperer/videos

[spurraider21]

Nice. Thanks fellas. The videos have looked like legit training i just had never heard of the dude. Good to know!

[exstatic]

Hoping Castle's 3-point shot takes a considerable leap this offseason. That's the only thing holding him back from being an All-Star caliber player. Not expecting 40% obv, but even slightly below league average at 34-35% would be great.

At 40%, he’s on track for All NBA.

[Ice009]

How long has Steph been working with TGW anyway? Is it just this offseason that he started, or has he been working with him since last season?

[RC_Drunkford]

Carter Bryant also works with him. He was there with him at the draft.

[ginobilized]

Castle is such a worker. He's not messing around this offseason. Studying Baron Davis is a great idea for him.
I love how Castle's dribbling as he's listening to TGW and looking at video. That's a baller.

Unlike Vassell who is posing in Paris like he's a supermodel.Ugh....

[RC_Drunkford]

Castle is such a worker. He's not messing around this offseason. Studying Baron Davis is a great idea for him.
I love how Castle's dribbling as he's listening to TGW and looking at video. That's a baller.

Unlike Vassell who is posing in Paris like he's a supermodel.Ugh....

Vassell been working out in France at Wemby's old club Nanterre. I think he was in there with Wemby too around the time of the draft. Worked out in Spain at the players association facility as well. Just cause he's not being filmed while doing it, doesn't mean he ain't working. Same with Keldon, he been working out at the Spurs facility.

[Mr. Body]

Castle is such a worker. He's not messing around this offseason. Studying Baron Davis is a great idea for him.
I love how Castle's dribbling as he's listening to TGW and looking at video. That's a baller.

Unlike Vassell who is posing in Paris like he's a supermodel.Ugh....

Castle seen hanging out on a boat. Wemby walking around Tokyo, at a monastery in Nepal.

SpursTalk: WHAT THE FUCK VASSELL

[ginobilized]

Castle seen hanging out on a boat. Wemby walking around Tokyo, at a monastery in Nepal.

SpursTalk: WHAT THE FUCK VASSELL

I in no way represent SpursTalk, just me. Of course Vassell is working out. Professional basketball players tend to that.
He's also such a fashionista poser and tunnel-vision shooter which happens to irritate the shit out of me.

[RC_Drunkford]

Guard Whisperer talking about his workouts with Steph at 23:00. They are working on his 3-point shot and scoring in the paint.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmPcqCtoC8g

[Ice009]

For those that might not be able to watch the video or don't have time to watch it. Here's most of what he said about Steph. So they asked Olin (the guy said he's asking for a friend, not necessarily for himself, he's just curious), how good can Steph Castle be, can he be a franchise level superstar level player and Olin said: "Steph Castle can be the next one soon. When I mean soon like now, like man, the kid is phenomenal and he's a lot bigger than people know until they get up on him. He's legit 6'6", 6'7" 220 pounds. He's like, he's big, you know, and he's an uber athlete. He can shoot a lot better than people think, but we definitely going to lock in on that. And people didn't realize in high school, I had him since his junior year in high school, he's a point guard. So, when he went to UConn he also knows how to play the game of basketball and know all the playoff stars (not sure if I got this bit right. I don't know what he means by playoff stars, or if he meant stats). But man, you just think about him and Wemby, I mean, you got a dynamic 7'4" guy and then you got a point guard as dynamic as him. Honestly think he can be in that conversation with Shay and Cade Cunningham really big guards that you really can't do anything with you at their mercy."

Interesting that he thinks that highly of Steph.

I also asked someone here how long Steph's been working with him and it seems going by his answer, Steph has been going to him for a while now, so that is something new I learned.

Also interesting that the guy doing the interview, not sure what affiliation he has with the Bucks, but I wonder if he's asking that question for someone inside the Milwaukee Bucks organization.

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxGj_gzhbjQ

Another one.

[Dejounte]

Castle is a 25ppg scorer next season. I can see it. He’s trying to be our Kobe.

[Raven]

Castle is a 25ppg scorer next season. I can see it. He’s trying to be our Kobe.
i'd be shocked if his numbers don't decrease in the second season.. assuming we don't have bad injuries, of course.

[exstatic]

Castle is a 25ppg scorer next season. I can see it. He’s trying to be our Kobe.

On another team, probably, but he’s 3rd hog at the trough behind two other 25 point scorers, and we ain’t the Warriors.

[baseline bum]

Also interesting that the guy doing the interview, not sure what affiliation he has with the Bucks, but I wonder if he's asking that question for someone inside the Milwaukee Bucks organization.

Interviewer is Marques Johnson, who was a pretty nice player for the Bucks in the late 70s through mid 80s.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma01.html

[Cardinal]

Whew that shot still needs a lot of work

[ambchang]

That form looks pretty good. High release, nice follow through. The mechanics are broken down but it’s still a smooth shot.

For next year I’m looking to have castle as more of an offensive creator when he has the ball, and cuts and weaves when he doesn’t.

Hope he can also turn it on on defence and focus on team d as well.

[scott]

For those that might not be able to watch the video or don't have time to watch it. Here's most of what he said about Steph. So they asked Olin (the guy said he's asking for a friend, not necessarily for himself, he's just curious), how good can Steph Castle be, can he be a franchise level superstar level player and Olin said: "Steph Castle can be the next one soon. When I mean soon like now, like man, the kid is phenomenal and he's a lot bigger than people know until they get up on him. He's legit 6'6", 6'7" 220 pounds. He's like, he's big, you know, and he's an uber athlete. He can shoot a lot better than people think, but we definitely going to lock in on that. And people didn't realize in high school, I had him since his junior year in high school, he's a point guard. So, when he went to UConn he also knows how to play the game of basketball and know all the playoff stars (not sure if I got this bit right. I don't know what he means by playoff stars, or if he meant stats). But man, you just think about him and Wemby, I mean, you got a dynamic 7'4" guy and then you got a point guard as dynamic as him. Honestly think he can be in that conversation with Shay and Cade Cunningham really big guards that you really can't do anything with you at their mercy."

Interesting that he thinks that highly of Steph.

I also asked someone here how long Steph's been working with him and it seems going by his answer, Steph has been going to him for a while now, so that is something new I learned.

Also interesting that the guy doing the interview, not sure what affiliation he has with the Bucks, but I wonder if he's asking that question for someone inside the Milwaukee Bucks organization.

Steph Castle is a SF

[spurraider21]

man that open gym 3pt shooting is pretty brutal tbh

[DAF86]

I wonder if it is more mental than technichal with Steph's shot.

[OldMan88]

Stephon Castle is still in the “thinking about the shot” stage of development and not in the “automatic” stage that Steph Curry is in. After Castle puts in several hundred thousand practice shots in the gym, he might get to Curry’s level. He’s got a chance for sure.

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxGj_gzhbjQ

Another one.

1) half of me thinks this horse whisperer might be a fraud, paying young stars to record these videos to make himself a millionaire. the other half thinks he might be legit
2) who is that fat little short fuck whitey with the sweaty ass and why is he out there?
3) like the fact they don't only show makes
4) this video is nothing compared to the 15 second Sochan IG vids
5) still think this horse whisperer might be all hype, like the Kobe of coaches just talking top shit, with semi-decent drills who knows how to intimidate young players

[scott]

Wasn't one of our guys working with Lethal Shooter? Who was that?

[gilmor]

Castle seen hanging out on a boat. Wemby walking around Tokyo, at a monastery in Nepal.

SpursTalk: WHAT THE FUCK VASSELL

Wemby was never in Nepal. He was in the Shaolin monastery in China.

[exstatic]

1) half of me thinks this horse whisperer might be a fraud, paying young stars to record these videos to make himself a millionaire. the other half thinks he might be legit
2) who is that fat little short fuck whitey with the sweaty ass and why is he out there?
3) like the fact they don't only show makes
4) this video is nothing compared to the 15 second Sochan IG vids
5) still think this horse whisperer might be all hype, like the Kobe of coaches just talking top shit, with semi-decent drills who knows how to intimidate young players

SGA worked with him.

[Ice009]

Does TGW post videos of his other clients like this? Steph is a young and upcoming guard who could really be great, so I did kind of wonder if he's using that to boost his business a bit. I do think he's legit if he's also worked with Shai (don't know the extent of how much he's helped Shai), but maybe he's sort of helping his own business out at the same time. If he can help Steph reach his potential, I'm all for it.

[Knoxxx]

If Castle could simply finish at the rim he’s a 20 PPG guy.

[Splits]

If Castle could simply finish at the rim he’s a 20 PPG guy.

Steph was by far the best rookie drawing fouls in the paint last year, finished at the rim just fine too

[Knoxxx]

Steph was by far the best rookie drawing fouls in the paint last year, finished at the rim just fine too

First off I didn’t say a thing about his FT drawing which we already know is elite. Secondly you don’t even sound like you watch the games, he missed a ridiculous amount of bunnies.

[exstatic]

Does TGW post videos of his other clients like this? Steph is a young and upcoming guard who could really be great, so I did kind of wonder if he's using that to boost his business a bit. I do think he's legit if he's also worked with Shai (don't know the extent of how much he's helped Shai), but maybe he's sort of helping his own business out at the same time. If he can help Steph really his potential, I'm all for it.

If you watched the long form videos where Steph is working on the baseline/mid range/paint game, you pretty much see where Shai’s game came from.

[Guru of Nothing]

Interviewer is Marques Johnson, who was a pretty nice player for the Bucks in the late 70s through mid 80s.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma01.html

Love Marques. Was basically 90% Gervin.

Still kicking.

hRiT-O3NyQ0

[RC_Drunkford]

1) half of me thinks this horse whisperer might be a fraud, paying young stars to record these videos to make himself a millionaire. the other half thinks he might be legit
2) who is that fat little short fuck whitey with the sweaty ass and why is he out there?
3) like the fact they don't only show makes
4) this video is nothing compared to the 15 second Sochan IG vids
5) still think this horse whisperer might be all hype, like the Kobe of coaches just talking top shit, with semi-decent drills who knows how to intimidate young players


Does TGW post videos of his other clients like this? Steph is a young and upcoming guard who could really be great, so I did kind of wonder if he's using that to boost his business a bit. I do think he's legit if he's also worked with Shai (don't know the extent of how much he's helped Shai), but maybe he's sort of helping his own business out at the same time. If he can help Steph reach his potential, I'm all for it.

He posted vids of Amen Thompson and VJ Edgecombe. Klay worked out with him recently too. Evan Mobley and SGA have been working with him for years. The guy is legit.

[Ice009]

Interviewer is Marques Johnson, who was a pretty nice player for the Bucks in the late 70s through mid 80s.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma01.html

Thanks. Sounds like he was an awesome player.

[John B]

I have no doubt Castle will increase his production next season, maybe not 25 ppg especially with the egalitarian style of offense that the Spurs like to play. Him hitting his open shots more consistently will open his game even more with players closing and Steph taking it to the rim. I’m stoke with this kid’s demeanor and focus on getting better - he’s gunning for greatness. And then there’s also Dylan who has the same swagger and attitude about winning. Damn it’s going to be a long time of Spurs greatness.

[baseline bum]

Love Marques. Was basically 90% Gervin.

Still kicking.

hRiT-O3NyQ0


Thanks. Sounds like he was an awesome player.

LOL that Raymond scene from White Men Can't Jump. Never even knew it was him at the time and I knew damn well who Marques Johnson was then. Just used to seeing him clean cut at the time and all that facial hair made him look like a completely different person.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7PuXyB8Gkg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XCqc9fIGJ0

[Splits]

Carter Braynt shot 66% from 3
Harper didn't popout 2 Lumbar Spine (Lumbar also didn't fuck his daughter)
Wemby didn't get another potential career ender

Great ST here we come!
Lot's to be hopeful, 43 wins and the 9 spot!

[Ice009]

Carter Braynt shot 66% from 3
Harper didn't popout 2 Lumbar Spine (Lumbar also didn't fuck his daughter)
Wemby didn't get another potential career ender

Great ST here we come!
Lot's to be hopeful, 43 wins and the 9 spot!

What? Did someone get injured? Like, what are you on about? Nothing you've said makes sense.

[Mnky]

If you watched the long form videos where Steph is working on the baseline/mid range/paint game, you pretty much see where Shai’s game came from.

That guy is pretty good with fundamentals and approach to mindset during actions in a live setting. He has a good foundational method of slowing the game and making it simple. These young guys definitely benefit from it.

[spurraider21]

That guy is pretty good with fundamentals and approach to mindset during actions in a live setting. He has a good foundational method of slowing the game and making it simple. These young guys definitely benefit from it.
Yeah in the full court press drill at one point he scolded castle a bit saying that he keeps it simple and effective in the frills but in their games/scrimmages he dances around too much. Reminded him to keep the moves simpler

[Mnky]

Yeah in the full court press drill at one point he scolded castle a bit saying that he keeps it simple and effective in the frills but in their games/scrimmages he dances around too much. Reminded him to keep the moves simpler

Wasted movement is such an impactful discipline for coaching. There's so much of it in all sports. The best players re always the ones that learned to be fluid and consistent with their actions. I definitely like Castle working with ol boy.

[ginobilized]

Loved watching those videos with the Guard Whisperer. Castle is not messin' around. Growth is always non-linear, but, when things start to click offensively for him, he will be elite. It will probably build over a 3-4 seasons/off-seasons. Similar to the Shai trajectory.

I'll admit that I noticed that Vassell has not worked with him and I had the idea that Wemby could benefit from some of that focus on fundamentals, efficiency, ball-handling, etc. Harper will likely do some tune-up work with him next summer, too.

Lastly, I wonder how much it costs to work with that guy and his team like Castle was doing?

[Guru of Nothing]

Loved watching those videos with the Guard Whisperer. Castle is not messin' around. Growth is always non-linear, but, when things start to click offensively for him, he will be elite. It will probably build over a 3-4 seasons/off-seasons. Similar to the Shai trajectory.

I'll admit that I noticed that Vassell has not worked with him and I had the idea that Wemby could benefit from some of that focus on fundamentals, efficiency, ball-handling, etc. Harper will likely do some tune-up work with him next summer, too.

Lastly, I wonder how much it costs to work with that guy and his team like Castle was doing?

From my Chat GPT, so grain of salt (and assuming I got the identity correct, Olin Simplis)


From a booking platform listing:

1-on-1 in-gym session (Glendale, CA): $200 per hour

1-on-1 satellite (they travel to you): $300 per hour

1-on-1 virtual session: $100 per hour
Instagram
+12
Booking Page
+12
Reddit
+12

��️ Monthly Packages
From a separate scheduling site offering bundled plans:

Silver Package: 3 court days/week → $1,500/month

Gold Package: 3 court + 2 lifting sessions/week → $2,000/month
train-with-guard-whisperer.square.site

(This tiered approach reflects premium access to NBA-level trainers and facilities.)

�� Summary
Drop-in hourly rates: $100–$300/hr depending on format

Monthly commitment packages: $1,500–$2,000/mo

�� What This Means
Elite access isn’t cheap—but pricing aligns with top-tier skill development coaches.

A virtual session at $100/hour offers a lower-cost entry point.

Committed players training multiple days/week are clearly the target for high-tier packages.

[Seventyniner]

Chump change to someone like Castle. Even having a small chance of becoming SGA lite would be worth 8 figures.

[ginobilized]

From my Chat GPT, so grain of salt (and assuming I got the identity correct, Olin Simplis)


From a booking platform listing:

1-on-1 in-gym session (Glendale, CA): $200 per hour

1-on-1 satellite (they travel to you): $300 per hour

1-on-1 virtual session: $100 per hour
Instagram
+12
Booking Page
+12
Reddit
+12

��️ Monthly Packages
From a separate scheduling site offering bundled plans:

Silver Package: 3 court days/week → $1,500/month

Gold Package: 3 court + 2 lifting sessions/week → $2,000/month
train-with-guard-whisperer.square.site

(This tiered approach reflects premium access to NBA-level trainers and facilities.)

�� Summary
Drop-in hourly rates: $100–$300/hr depending on format

Monthly commitment packages: $1,500–$2,000/mo

�� What This Means
Elite access isn’t cheap—but pricing aligns with top-tier skill development coaches.

A virtual session at $100/hour offers a lower-cost entry point.

Committed players training multiple days/week are clearly the target for high-tier packages.

Thanks!

How could an NBA guard afford NOT to do this!
Castle is getting after it with a fire like a guy trying to make it in the league like he's a walk-on.

[spurraider21]

for comparison :lol

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[tim_duncan_fan]

for comparison :lol

1946283326186095032

The nba is such a WWF-ass league. They really let a nigga who can make 70 practice threes in a row play on the same team as Steph Curry. And then gave them Kevin Durant.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Guard Whisperer talking about his workouts with Steph at 23:00. They are working on his 3-point shot and scoring in the paint.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmPcqCtoC8g

This guy says he's had Steph Castle since high school. If you go back to early Steph interviews, he talks about trying to just "touch paint." It's neat to hear where he gets that from.

[CGD]

for comparison :lol

1946283326186095032

Wild

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-PsLE-AxI

[Ice009]

This guy says he's had Steph Castle since high school. If you go back to early Steph interviews, he talks about trying to just "touch paint." It's neat to hear where he gets that from.

I wrote quotes from Olin about Steph from the video on the previous page https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11272525#post11272525
I'd previously been asking how long Steph's been working with him, and finally got the answer from this video. Pretty good interview from these guys. The Steph question/s was just something Marques asked on the side.

Btw, in another video a few weeks ago, Steph said he measured his vertical a little while ago at 41.5". He said it in one of those FaZe/Adapt Live(or whatever the channel is called) videos.

[spurraider21]

carrot top got some nice cardio in that game

and who the hell is that guard on the other team? dude had some really nice plays :lol

[Ice009]

for comparison :lol

1946283326186095032

That is BEYOND Elite.

[exstatic]

He’s a machine, a terminator. More Steph workout footage.

pxGj_gzhbjQ

[Ice009]

Steph's very close to Victor as being my favourite player on the team. I got down on him a bit towards the end of the season, though, as his efficiency went down and also his defense dropped a lot more towards the end of the season too.
I loved his attitude all season (he wants to be great and I could tell he's willing to work for it), I loved how he tried to take it to the rack all season and finish (even if some of those drives he forced it a bit), I loved how hard he tried to work nn his shooting during the season (even if the results weren't quite there), and now seeing this off-season stuff, he's definitely putting in the work (not that I didn't believe he was even if I didn't see these videos).

[cutewizard]

He's got the work ethic to go with his will and athleticism

[exstatic]

Steph's very close to Victor as being my favourite player on the team. I got down on him a bit towards the end of the season, though, as his efficiency went down and also his defense dropped a lot more towards the end of the season too.
I loved his attitude all season (he wants to be great and I could tell he's willing to work for it), I loved how he tried to take it to the rack all season and finish (even if some of those drives he forced it a bit), I loved how hard he tried to work nn his shooting during the season (even if the results weren't quite there), and now seeing this off-season stuff, he's definitely putting in the work (not that I didn't believe he was even if I didn't see these videos).

He was a rookie, AND asked to be the primary offensive engine, AND asked to be the primary POA defender. That’s a big ask of any rookie. They are, as a rule, inefficient.

[cutewizard]

https://airalamo.com/stephon-castle-breakout-stun-entire-nba-spurs-fans-know-it?fbclid=IwY2xjawLqeDNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmdeppaCCA eq8ggsB4Rjbo8evfKlJ1pjKX7B9VIkk97olDA9uXq7BwE8_7cR _aem_15xj1AmasowSmSit9aZnQQ

[kxs783kms]

My belief is Castle will be far better than Harper. As smooth as Harper looks and with his 3 shot being better at this moment, I still feel as if Castle has the higher upside. He's more athletic than Harper and to me, he seems to have more of that dawg in him on the court. Of course I'm just basing this off of Harper's college career since he hasn't played a NBA game yet.

[Splits]

You know what other guard was selected 4th overall and won RoY?

[TheDoctor]

You know what other guard was selected 4th overall and won RoY?

El Bicho.

[Ice009]

My belief is Castle will be far better than Harper. As smooth as Harper looks and with his 3 shot being better at this moment, I still feel as if Castle has the higher upside. He's more athletic than Harper and to me, he seems to have more of that dawg in him on the court. Of course I'm just basing this off of Harper's college career since he hasn't played a NBA game yet.

Dylan Harper looks like he also has dawg in him. How/why are you saying he doesn't? Going up against Cooper, he wanted to prove he's the number 1 pick. That doesn't sound like a player that doesn't have that in him. Are you just basing that off of Rutgers' record?

I also rate Steph higher, but that is because I've seen how hard he works and how much he wants it. Doesn't mean Dylan doesn't want it just as much/if not more. I don't think any of us know Dylan well enough yet as he's just joined the Spurs

[exstatic]

My belief is Castle will be far better than Harper. As smooth as Harper looks and with his 3 shot being better at this moment, I still feel as if Castle has the higher upside. He's more athletic than Harper and to me, he seems to have more of that dawg in him on the court. Of course I'm just basing this off of Harper's college career since he hasn't played a NBA game yet.

I wouldn’t downplay any kid smart enough to attach himself to Manu at the hip, already. That’s a powerful mentor.

[John B]

My belief is Castle will be far better than Harper. As smooth as Harper looks and with his 3 shot being better at this moment, I still feel as if Castle has the higher upside. He's more athletic than Harper and to me, he seems to have more of that dawg in him on the court. Of course I'm just basing this off of Harper's college career since he hasn't played a NBA game yet.

Tony vs Manu, Castle vs Dylan. Just be happy we have both dawg in Spurs. Wemby/Castle/Dylan and maybe Bryant becomes the defensive catalyst like Bowen. That’s a championship lineup that mirrors the past.

[scott]

Steph has the 10th highest in-game vertical leap last year.

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[spurraider21]

some nice rascal fap material there

[Kindergarten Cop]

Steph has the 10th highest in-game vertical leap last year.

1947727814179840511

HOLY COW Shaedon Sharpe?!?!? 5 of the top 9?!?!?

[cutewizard]

Fearless

[kxs783kms]

Tony vs Manu, Castle vs Dylan. Just be happy we have both dawg in Spurs. Wemby/Castle/Dylan and maybe Bryant becomes the defensive catalyst like Bowen. That’s a championship lineup that mirrors the past.

Nah, I like my statement better. Please don't tell me what I should be happy about. Geesh.

[exstatic]

Nah, I like my statement better. Please don't tell me what I should be happy about. Geesh.

Some people just can’t stand prosperity.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/MV-PsLE-AxI?si=Qid7CuZ4fhqgNUpE

[cutewizard]

Guys

Castle is developing

Your comments?

[Ignazzz]

I didnt realized that Steph C is such bad shooter.
Did You see: NBA's worst shooters and finishers for the 2024-25 regular season.

[NASpurs]

I was watching the video below on how one-way players (all offense, no defense) are an archetype that's dying out.

Then he talked about Reed Sheppard and how yes, his size sample is small but he kind of fits this mold. That we'll get a better feel of him this year when he presumably gets a bigger role on the Rockets this year.

Then I started to think what if the Spurs had the 3rd pick last year, would they've still chosen Steph Castle over Reed Sheppard. I still yes and it's not because of hindsight or anything like that. I just think the Spurs don't want small guards anymore (we've seen the guards and types of players that they're bringing to the team) and I feel like they valued Castle over Sheppard even in the draft last year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKzSHNlXl0

[Seventyniner]

Great vid. :bobo

I wish the Suns hadn't accepted Jalen Green in the KD trade. Green was going to be an albatross contract and potential locker room cancer imo.

Vassell in the honorable mention category is accurate.

Carter Bryant looks like the exact opposite of this archetype.

[Mr. Body]

I was watching the video below on how one-way players (all offense, no defense) are an archetype that's dying out.

Then he talked about Reed Sheppard and how yes, his size sample is small but he kind of fits this mold. That we'll get a better feel of him this year when he presumably gets a bigger role on the Rockets this year.

Then I started to think what if the Spurs had the 3rd pick last year, would they've still chosen Steph Castle over Reed Sheppard. I still yes and it's not because of hindsight or anything like that. I just think the Spurs don't want small guards anymore (we've seen the guards and types of players that they're bringing to the team) and I feel like they valued Castle over Sheppard even in the draft last year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKzSHNlXl0

I have no doubt in my mind the Spurs were taking Stephon Castle no matter where they drafted.

They'd been in on him for years and had a dedicated scout at UConn practices, were very close with the staff up there. Castle was their guy.

[LeBowen]

Spurs plan for building around Wemby is obvious and will be easy to execute if at least one of Castle/Harper develops into at least a borderline all-star player.
Fox will be the known quantity for the foreseeable future, two of them will grow alongside Fox and all we need after that is to stack up on 6'7-6'10 3-D wings. It's that simple because Wemby will be that good in no time.

I'm just still not certain of Castle's ceiling. At times he looked like the next Jimmy and then there were games where he looked like your typical rookie on a tanking team just putting up empty numbers.
And it's not just about his shot, but overall game.

If Castle and Harper both develop, I can't see us not winning a lot. Obviously assuming Wemby stays healthy.

[NASpurs]

To me it's also obvious that no matter how sexy the thought was of paring Wemby with Tre Young, the Spurs had a different gameplan once Wemby was drafted (no midgets one-way players). Also why they probably didn't even entertain the thought of drafting Rob Dillingham as well.

It's also why they're hoping that Vassell, Johnson and Sochan become the players the this team needs because they have the tools for sure.

[spurraider21]

the spurs also tried their hardest not to start Tre Jones. even after re-signing him to a 2 year deal, they tried the point sochan thing first, and even when they gave up on that, they began starting Branham at point next to Vassell. it took a branham injury for them to plug in Tre, and they never looked back that year

[pad300]

the spurs also tried their hardest not to start Tre Jones. even after re-signing him to a 2 year deal, they tried the point sochan thing first, and even when they gave up on that, they began starting Branham at point next to Vassell. it took a branham injury for them to plug in Tre, and they never looked back that year

Come off of it, that was a tank job and you know it...

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK866ojFL7k

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/HK866ojFL7k?si=-Az5_l7ryFOs205R

Wow improvement

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/3Lwh1orZgpY?si=DJRH2qAg2sqRmRI1

[scott]

I was watching the video below on how one-way players (all offense, no defense) are an archetype that's dying out.

Then he talked about Reed Sheppard and how yes, his size sample is small but he kind of fits this mold. That we'll get a better feel of him this year when he presumably gets a bigger role on the Rockets this year.

Then I started to think what if the Spurs had the 3rd pick last year, would they've still chosen Steph Castle over Reed Sheppard. I still yes and it's not because of hindsight or anything like that. I just think the Spurs don't want small guards anymore (we've seen the guards and types of players that they're bringing to the team) and I feel like they valued Castle over Sheppard even in the draft last year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKzSHNlXl0

I think there is still a place for the one-way player in the league... but that place is the bench.

Cam Thomas, Jalen Green, Anfernee Simons, Devin Vassell... all would be really nice sixth man microwave scorers (on the appropriately sized contract, that is).

[Rocalcio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK866ojFL7k

I like Castle, but in this video he's the guys who makes the less shoots he attempts, contrary to almost every other no names there.

[Maddog]

I like Castle, but in this video he's the guys who makes the less shoots he attempts, contrary to almost every other no names there.

To date he hasn't demonstrated he can hit threes at a reasonable percentage.

Same as you I like him- while you can see path to him becoming a premier player- but you can also see a scenario in a few years the Spurs part way with him (Especially with Harper being a bit similar)

[Ice009]

I like Castle, but in this video he's the guys who makes the less shoots he attempts, contrary to almost every other no names there.

I haven't watched the video yet. I'm a little lost with what you've said as your English isn't clear.

[spurraider21]

I haven't watched the video yet. I'm a little lost with what you've said as your English isn't clear.
think he's saying castle has something close to the lowest FG% of the people in that game

[exstatic]

I was watching the video below on how one-way players (all offense, no defense) are an archetype that's dying out.

Then he talked about Reed Sheppard and how yes, his size sample is small but he kind of fits this mold. That we'll get a better feel of him this year when he presumably gets a bigger role on the Rockets this year.

Then I started to think what if the Spurs had the 3rd pick last year, would they've still chosen Steph Castle over Reed Sheppard. I still yes and it's not because of hindsight or anything like that. I just think the Spurs don't want small guards anymore (we've seen the guards and types of players that they're bringing to the team) and I feel like they valued Castle over Sheppard even in the draft last year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKzSHNlXl0

They had a designated scout embedded at UConn all year. I think not only would they have picked Castle with #3, I think they would have picked him with #1.

[LeBowen]

They had a designated scout embedded at UConn all year. I think not only would they have picked Castle with #3, I think they would have picked him with #1.

I think they would've traded down to #3 or #4, no way they would've used #1 on Castle when it would've been easy to find a sucker that wanted Sarr.

[Ice009]

think he's saying castle has something close to the lowest FG% of the people in that game

Thanks for clearing that up. That makes sense now. If I had of watched it, I probably work it out and don't need to ask. Man, Steph can shoot, but some of his misses in games were just off. It seems that he does have a bit of a feel for shooting, so I hope he can get consistent at it.
When I first saw him and how inconsistent his misses were, I thought this isn't a guy that has no feel, but I think he is going to have to/really need to keep working at it to become a good shooter.

[exstatic]

I think they would've traded down to #3 or #4, no way they would've used #1 on Castle when it would've been easy to find a sucker that wanted Sarr.

Sarr was actually only picked #1 because Risacher refused to to work out for the Wiz. There really wasn’t a player to hold a team’s feet to the fire to trade down and get assets, no clear cut and defined #1.

[spurraider21]

Sarr was actually only picked #1 because Risacher refused to to work out for the Wiz. There really wasn’t a player to hold a team’s feet to the fire to trade down and get assets, no clear cut and defined #1.
sarr was picked #2

[scott]

Sarr was actually only picked #1 because Risacher refused to to work out for the Wiz. There really wasn’t a player to hold a team’s feet to the fire to trade down and get assets, no clear cut and defined #1.

https://i.imgflip.com/1myuho.jpg

[talkspurs]

Sarr was actually only picked #1 because Risacher refused to to work out for the Wiz. There really wasn’t a player to hold a team’s feet to the fire to trade down and get assets, no clear cut and defined #1.

Sarr was the one that did not work out and he did not work out for Atl as he felt he would be a better fit with Wizards. Zaccharie Risacher worked out for both teams.

[Rocalcio]

I haven't watched the video yet. I'm a little lost with what you've said as your English isn't clear.

Sorry for being French…

I’m just saying that, contrary to the other guys in the video, who are not well known like Castle who is the reigning ROY, he doesn’t make a lot of his shoots

[Rocalcio]

think he's saying castle has something close to the lowest FG% of the people in that game

That’s it

[Ice009]

Sorry for being French…

I’m just saying that, contrary to the other guys in the video, who are not well known like Castle who is the reigning ROY, he doesn’t make a lot of his shoots

No need to apologize or anything. I just wanted to know what you meant as I hadn't watched the video yet and I didn't understand (sorry that I didn't). Spurraider21 did watch the video and knew what you were saying/meant.

[ismael-robert]

Yeah u were pretty clear rocalcio

[Ice009]

Edit: Not the place for this, will discuss via PM.

[Rocalcio]

No need to apologize or anything. I just wanted to know what you meant as I hadn't watched the video yet and I didn't understand (sorry that I didn't). Spurraider21 did watch the video and knew what you were saying/meant.

No problem ;)

[Rocalcio]

Yeah u were pretty clear rocalcio

Doing my best :bobo

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK866ojFL7k

Castle getting cooked.

That chick in the grey t-shirt doesn't miss.

[cutewizard]

Will cannot be taught

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/ql1ZQh3aOs0?si=xvqQJRnJ3Wl9g34y

[spursistan]

Too early to draw a final conclusion on this one, but i agree it is gonna come down to Castle or Risacher for the best player of this draft class.

- Reed Sheepard better show me something next season. He has the most pressure as a sophomore.

- Sarr brought too far down and Buzelis getting slightly overrated here

https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1956038188994322807

[Mr. Body]

Too early to draw a final conclusion on this one, but i agree it is gonna come down to Castle or Risacher for the best player of this draft class.

- Reed Sheepard better show me something next season. He has the most pressure as a sophomore.

- Sarr brought too far down and Buzelis getting slightly overrated here

https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1956038188994322807

Such a rough draft class, as expected. I still can't rate Sheppard that high. I didn't believe in him coming out and still think he'll face tough problems. Just too small, too slow, and can't dribble. Undersize, slow shooting guard with little point guard skills.

During draft, I thought Castle was far and away the best player and I wasn't sure who I'd take second (I did like Dillingham, but thought his issues were enormous), so glad they got him.

[ismael-robert]

Mccain was best pick

[cutewizard]

Stephon shall defend

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/sdKoGFp7AgE?si=HaN6UkpeTlXnpnT-

[SupremeGuy]

I don't get why people are still sleeping on Castle? He had flashes last year that made him look like the best player on the team.

Don't know if the videos of him working out are for show or not, but he's our 3rd best player. Wemby > Fox > Castle.

[LeBowen]

I don't get why people are still sleeping on Castle? He had flashes last year that made him look like the best player on the team.

Because putting up numbers on horribe teams isn't much of a feat these days.


Don't know if the videos of him working out are for show or not, but he's our 3rd best player. Wemby > Fox > Castle.

One could argue that Spurs don't have high end players other than Wemby and Fox.
The only other players I'm sure will deliver in their roles are Kornet and probably Barnes. Everyone else has to prove themselves if we're talking serious basketball and Spurs actually trying to win games.

[SupremeGuy]

One could argue that Spurs don't have high end players other than Wemby and Fox.
The only other players I'm sure will deliver in their roles are Kornet and probably Barnes. Everyone else has to prove themselves if we're talking serious basketball and Spurs actually trying to win games.

Well shit, you're telling me I got Harper and Bryant tattoos for fun? Fuck. :pctoss

What does suck is that it seems like we've been saying let the young guys develop for 6 or 7 years? That was on poop.

I really have high hopes for Mitch.

[LeBowen]

I really have high hopes for Mitch.

Wrote about it before, but the biggest test for Mitch will be if he has enough authority to DNP players that aren't good enough.
Sochan and Keldon being the two obvious candidates.

He's shown that he can create a very good offense, defense was garbage but we got two elite assistants for it. It's been a long time since I was this hyped for a Spurs season.

[SupremeGuy]

Wrote about it before, but the biggest test for Mitch will be if he has enough authority to DNP players that aren't good enough.
Sochan and Keldon being the two obvious candidates.

He's shown that he can create a very good offense, defense was garbage but we got two elite assistants for it. It's been a long time since I was this hyped for a Spurs season.

What's your depth chart?

[LeBowen]

What's your depth chart?

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300184&page=14&p=11281424&viewfull=1#post11281424

[Dejounte]

Because putting up numbers on horribe teams isn't much of a feat these days.



One could argue that Spurs don't have high end players other than Wemby and Fox.
The only other players I'm sure will deliver in their roles are Kornet and probably Barnes. Everyone else has to prove themselves if we're talking serious basketball and Spurs actually trying to win games.

how many teams have high end players after their 3rd best guy? Only the thunder have any semblance of that and that’s a team that’s a product of a perfect storm. People expect too much out of a roster. The only excuse this team will have if they fail to meet expectations is their top 2 or 3 guys failing to lead the rest of the team and on the coach for lack of chemistry. The players who are in the tier 2 list of best players on this roster are good enough to be contributors on other competitive teams.

[LeBowen]

how many teams have high end players after their 3rd best guy? Only the thunder have any semblance of that and that’s a team that’s a product of a perfect storm. People expect too much out of a roster. The only excuse this team will have if they fail to meet expectations is their top 2 or 3 guys failing to lead the rest of the team and on the coach for lack of chemistry. The players who are in the tier 2 list of best players on this roster are good enough to be contributors on other competitive teams.

Damn, I hate this.
Someone misinterprets one word I wrote and makes a post that has nothing to do with what I was trying to say.

Should've sed reliable instead of high end players.
Barnes is reliable, but we'll see if he starts declining because he's 33.
Kornet is reliable, Olynyk in some situations. Those are the only players we have with serious playoff experience who can be relied on to deliver within their roles when things get tough.

Castle is a sophmore who has some big amplitudes in his play last season, which is only natural.
Harper is a rookie.
Vassell...does anything need to be said?
Sochan and Keldon aren't good enough unless they both make significant improvements.
Champagnie is reliable within his 8th-10th man role.

Obviously all those players have potential to be high end role players, but we could very well see all of them struggle in the upcoming season.
We just have to wait and see how it goes because for serious playoff teams a player with lower ceiling who will surely get his is more valuable than young players who often disappear.

[SupremeGuy]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300184&page=14&p=11281424&viewfull=1#post11281424Damn, no Carter Bryant?

Honestly, I just want to see how Fox, Castle, and Wemby play together.

[LeBowen]

Damn, no Carter Bryant?


We're still hoping we can get some value from Jeremy, but at this point gifting both him and Keldon away for nothing would be addition by subtraction. Bryant will spend the first few months in Austin mostly because of those two.