How do McCain or Obama get to 270? [Archive] - Page 9

Nbadan

11-01-2008, 06:16 PM

Obama is thumping McCain in the early vote, so it's not only likely voters that would have to be 'miscounted' but those who have already voted...

CBS News Survey Shows Democratic Ticket With 19 Point Edge Among Early Voters, 13 Point Lead Among Likely Voters Overall

(CBS) With just three days left until Election Day, a new CBS News poll finds that the Democratic presidential ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden leads its Republican counterpart by 13 points among likely voters, 54 percent to 41 percent. That margin reflects an increase of two points in the Obama-Biden ticket's lead from a CBS News/New York Times poll released Thursday.

About one in five voters say they have already cast their vote, either in person or through the mail, and these early voters prefer the Democratic ticket by an even greater margin. Obama leads among early voters 57 percent to 38 percent, a nineteen point advantage.

The economy is by far the issue of top concern to voters, and they continue to view Obama more favorably on the issue than they do his Republican rival, John McCain. Fifty-one percent of registered voters say Obama would make the economy better, while just 29 percent say McCain would.

On the question of who will raise taxes, the candidates are roughly even: Forty-seven percent say Obama would raise their taxes and 48 percent say McCain would do so.

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/01/opinion/polls/main4563051.shtml)

boutons_

11-01-2008, 06:35 PM

aka, how Zogby outlies in McNasty's favor:

Zogby Poll Showing McCain Lead Interviews Fewer Democrats Than All Other Surveys (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/01/zogby-poll-showing-mccain_n_139968.html)

On Saturday morning, Drudge trumpeted the latest one-day finding in John Zogby's latest three-day tracking poll on the presidential race. While Zogby's three-day average still shows a 5-point lead for Barack Obama over John McCain, the pollster notes on his site today that McCain led Obama by one point, 48 to 47, in the last day of surveys.

More cautious than Drudge, however, Zogby says that it's too early to declare that McCain has made decisive gains over Obama. "If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on," Zogby writes (http://www.zogby.com/main.htm).

But as the Huffington Post reported on Thursday when discussing the latest Fox News poll (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/mccains-favorite-poll-of_n_139430.html), Zogby has a unique methodology in his polling. He fixes -- or "weights" -- the partisan balance of his respondents, unlike most pollsters. While his admirably transparent and stable practice guarantees a certain methodological sameness from day to day, therefore making any new lead for McCain worth reporting, Zogby's partisan weighting can also raise other questions.

Asked earlier this week what the partisan weighting of their poll currently is, a Zogby aide told the Huffington Post: "Party ID remains at 38 Democratic - 36 Republican - 26 Independent. We have added a point for 18-29 [year old voters], 1.5 for African Americans, and 2 for Hispanics."

Earlier this year, Zogby told me that "party ID is a lead variable, and a major determinant in how people vote. I apply a weight to party ID, and if I see a reason for it to change, I will."

Still, Zogby's two point party ID advantage for Democrats is the smallest of any polling firm. The last four days of the Hotline/Diageo poll (http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/) show anywhere from a four- to six-point advantage for Democrats -- and a simultaneous seven-point lead for Obama. Gallup's latest surveys (http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx) indicate that Democrats have an 11-point advantage over Republicans in party ID (including what the firm describes as partisan "leaners").

Zogby's partisan makeup gives even less of a partisan advantage to Democrats than Fox's latest poll, which earned some skepticism (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/counterevidence_watch_obama_3.php), as well.

As for the day-to-day fluctuations in tracking polls, Emory University political scientist Alan Abramowitz says they are "almost entirely due" to random statistical error, or "noise."

"The trackers don't move in sync with each other -- one goes up, another goes down," he tells the Huffington Post. "This is what we are seeing today in fact. Already we see that Obama is down in Zogby but up in DailyKos and Rasmussen. No doubt we'll see more of the same in the next three days. There is no evidence here of any real trend toward McCain in either the national polls or the state polling as smart analysts like Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/) and Mark Blumenthal and Charles Franklin of Pollster.com (http://pollster.com/) have shown."

For what it's worth, McCain lead pollster Bill McInturff sees things Zogby's way. In a Friday conference call with reporters, McInturff said (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/mccain-camp-we-will-outsp_n_139649.html) "I don't see how you have party ID at negative 8 [percent for Republicans]. That's not America ... anywhere in the last generation and a half."

Aside from determining the next president, Tuesday's election might be used to settle a few scores in the polling profession, as well.

whottt

11-01-2008, 08:57 PM

:lmao

Whottt - google is your friend. Your research fucking sucks dude. I mean its so easy to
refute you it should be criminal.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008337774_slowcount01m0.html

That article refutes nothing...by the way, I'm happy to know that a Republican nearly won the Governorship in Washington State...that'd have been the first one since 1981.

And it's funny you think you do a good job of refuting me...since I can't remember you doing that...

What I rememer is you telling me how stupid I was to think that 700 billion was a factor in McCain's bailout plan, and then getting that point stuck up your ass.

Other than I can't think of anything you refuted...I did read a chart incorrectly a couple of days ago...something I didn't spend a whole lot of time arguing btw.

Did anyone ever figure out how the number of eligible voters decreased in 2006?

Early voting or Absentee voting? How much of the county votes by mail? When will those ballots be counted?

Did you read the Early voting web page I linked? It's right there at the bottom. The majority of the county votes early by mail...they only have one in person early voting location in the county...

As someone who is now experienced at early voting having spent the last 2 weeks doing just that, including the last week at an extremely large early voting center...I can tell you that the in person early voting is not going to be that great of a factor in this county if they have only one place to do it at...I don't care if they've been doing non-stop business.

It's the absentee early voting that is greatly down from 2004...and I could have counted the total they have recieved so far, by myself, in about 4-5 days.

Incidentally...the Republicans are running neck and neck with the Democrats in CA in early voting....and that is something that hasn't happened since Reagan won the state.

whottt

11-01-2008, 09:05 PM

As a professional mathematician I have to say that if 08 is an honest election, and at this point that's a big IF, then McCain doesn't have a chance of winning...

As a unprofessional mathematician...I think you if you place blind faith on anything with as small of a sample size as the average poll, then you much suck as a professional mathematician.

Just like Hillary Clinton before him, John McCain is learning the harsh reality that is Barack Obama. The race could be 50-50 nationally, and it wouldn't matter. Obama is playing chess, not checkers. McCain has to win every single toss up state, and he'll still come up short.

It is now mathematically impossible for Obama to lose this election. The probability of the polls being so wrong is so incredibly small that the only explanation for a McCain win on Tuesday will be rigged voting machines, period.

:lmao

As an unprofessional mathematician, I'd like to inform you of the number 4 as in today is November 1st and November 5th is 4 days away, and even if your unfounded belief in the soundness of the mathematical probabitly of the average poll was actually founded...you'd still be making a miscalculation by juding what will happen on November 4th by what polls are saying on November 1st and earlier...

MannyIsGod

11-01-2008, 10:09 PM

Whottt - they aren't counting them fast enough and thats why it looks like its lower. If that doesn't refute your notion that it shows a bad trend then I don't know what will.

whottt

11-02-2008, 12:06 AM

Whottt - they aren't counting them fast enough and thats why it looks like its lower. If that doesn't refute your notion that it shows a bad trend then I don't know what will.

That article has next to nothing to do with counting total ballots received early and just about everything to do with tallying votes on Election night...and beyond. It's essentially got nothing to do with the point I made...

A better point would be to just say they probably haven't received all the early absentee ballots yet...a valid point, but the early votes are still lagging substantially compared to 04.

That total is 100% absentee ballots btw....the in person early voting might be around 100k based on my experience in early voting in Travis County(which had literally dozens and dozens of early voting locations), and it's already factored in.

MannyIsGod

11-02-2008, 12:08 AM

New Mexico in 2004 had 775,000 (roughly) votes counted for the entire election. Early Voting numbers for the state this time are 450,000 or so with a 54-33 Democrat edge at the polls (rest Ind).

The number of doors knocked in this state today by the Obama campaign are absolutely amazing. The GOTV machine is incredible and the plans for the 4th are blowing my mind.

This is so fucking awesome I can't even begin to tell you how pumped up the volunteers and office staff where tonight here in Las Cruces.

Everyone was looking really tired after months of long hours, but when Senator Obama called on a confrence call tonight it really reinvigorated the entire office here. No one feels tired now.

MannyIsGod

11-02-2008, 12:11 AM

That article has next to nothing to do with counting total ballots received early and just about everything to do with tallying votes on Election night...and beyond. It's essentially got nothing to do with the point I made...

A better point would be to just say they probably haven't received all the early absentee ballots yet...a valid point, but the early votes are still lagging substantially compared to 04.

That total is 100% absentee ballots btw....the in person early voting might be around 100k, already factored in.

Sigh

Ammons said the new machines should be ready to go by spring. In the meantime, the county is relying on its old machines, which were designed to count poll ballots, not mail ballots. Two-thirds of King County voters now vote by mail.

Whottt. Read. Fuck.

MannyIsGod

11-02-2008, 12:15 AM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/386011_election01.html?source=mypi

MannyIsGod

11-02-2008, 12:16 AM

BTW if you really believe what you're saying predict that Washington goes Red and make a bet with me about it. Man up, pussy.

whottt

11-02-2008, 01:47 AM

Sigh

Whottt. Read. Fuck.

Manny. Comprehend. Fuck.

At least when I am fucking up I catch it.

They're talking about tallying votes on Election night, which is when they will open and count those absentee ballots, using machines that weren't designed to count them.

They don't tally the votes until the day of the election. That is what they are referring to.

They are not talking about a general count of the number of unopened early mail-in ballots they have recieved.

Like I said...I could have counted 350 thousand unopened absentee ballots in 4 or 5 days...all by myself.

whottt

11-02-2008, 01:51 AM

Link from the King County website:

http://www.metrokc.gov/elections/avfaq.htm

Absentee ballots should be postmarked no later than the election day and will be tallied on election day at the earliest. While the County will still require several days to finalize the absentee ballot tabulations, the County is quite excited about being able to provide enhanced reporting of absentee ballot tabulations, such as reporting by precinct.

Their post office probably has a machine that count 350 k envelopes in a couple of hours....

whottt

11-02-2008, 01:53 AM

BTW if you really believe what you're saying predict that Washington goes Red and make a bet with me about it. Man up, pussy.

Since voter fraud happened in the last election I'd be a fool to take that bet.

whottt

11-02-2008, 02:15 AM

Here's a guy that claims he works for a polling firm that does internal polling for McCain.

You guys obviously won't believe any of this, nor do I expect you to...but it sounds about right to me.

-U9btB8FSPA

Basically he says McCain is up on Obama in internal polling in New Jersey, Michigan and way way up in Pennsylvania....

He even says McCain is within 1 point in California.

You know why it sounds right to me? Because Obama didn't win any of those damn states in the primary...that's why.

This is what happens when you give the nomination to a guy incapable of winning any major blue states in the primary.

I bet Obama doesn't have voter fraud in place for places like NJ....and that's why I always felt pretty good making my prediction of a McCain landslide, because not even the planned voter fraud would prevent the asskicking he's going to get in this election.

MannyIsGod

11-02-2008, 02:18 AM

Yeah well I know a guy who does internal polling for Obama and he says that Obama is up 82 in Texas.

[/antiwhottt]

MannyIsGod

11-02-2008, 02:20 AM

Whottt do you want to bet on any of those states going red? No right?

Continue throwing that shit against the wall. SOMETHING will stick.

whottt

11-02-2008, 02:24 AM

Yeah well like it or not...Obama didn't win any of these states in the primaries...I know it's difficult for yellowdog to comprehend that not every one votes by party...but the fact that both parties have produced Presidents pretty consistently pretty much proves that in fact, a large segment of Americans do not vote by party.

I myself am one of them...

Who is throwing shit? I've been pretty consistent all along...

I have never wavered for one second since the Palin nomination that McCain is going to win this big...

I wish this guy would have provided the NY internal polls.

Obama didn't win the primaries in these states...it matters.

whottt

11-02-2008, 03:09 AM

So you would have picked Obama if he picked Webb, EVEN with the Palin pickup by McCain?

Eh...when you put it like that, probably not.

All I know is I was leaning towards Obama until he picked Biden and from that point on I began leaning away until the unfair smears, attacks, clear media dishonety, and doublestandard on Palin clinched that I wouldn't be supporting Obama.

I can't say for certain those other choices would have made a difference, but I never locked into the idea of an Obama Presidency like many of you did, he pickded Biden right as I was in the process of doing that, and I dislike Joe Biden intensely and have said so many times on SpursTalk prior to his selection...if that hadn't happened and I got locked in, I probably would have been loathe to change my mind, Palin or not.

Let me be clear on this...
I dislike Joe Biden much more than I dislike Obama. the second I hear his name dishonesty and a lack of integrity are the first things that pop into my head...his stupidity and the fact that he's a commie are the second.

He's been running for the Presidency in one form or another since 1988...and I've never once considered voting for him for a split second. I dislike this guy more than just about any other politician in the US, as he's got a big stupid mouth and always has.

Never considered voting for him for Pres...

And if you check his performances in elections outside of Delaware...no one else has either.

boutons_

11-02-2008, 01:40 PM

If HUSSEIN loses, even a LOT of Repugs will be proved wrong:

"Right now, it's very clearly Obama's to lose, and I think his chances of doing so are pretty minimal," said Republican Dick Armey, the former House majority leader from Texas. He said the possibility of a McCain comeback is "getting down to slim-to-none."

ChumpDumper

11-02-2008, 02:08 PM

Whottt do you want to bet on any of those states going red? No right?

Continue throwing that shit against the wall. SOMETHING will stick.The fact he hasn't taken any bets says a lot.

NASCARdad

11-02-2008, 03:00 PM

I'm calling it now. McCain WILL win the election so all you Obama suckers can get ready to eat a super sized plate of crow.

Shastafarian

11-02-2008, 03:05 PM

I'm calling it now. McCain WILL win the election so all you Obama suckers can get ready to eat a super sized plate of crow.

Ok will you hang around long enough to eat yours should McCain lose?

Cry Havoc

11-02-2008, 03:20 PM

Ok will you hang around long enough to eat yours should McCain lose?

Sure he will. He'll be watching cars go around in a circle while he eats himself into oblivion. :toast:lol

boutons_

11-02-2008, 03:33 PM

Whott, Aggie, Clanny, NASCARdad, have you placed your bets where your mouths are?

http://politics.betfair.com

NASCARdad

11-02-2008, 04:10 PM

I don't gamble because I'm a Christian Conservative.

Mr. Peabody

11-02-2008, 05:56 PM

Here's a guy that claims he works for a polling firm that does internal polling for McCain.
You guys obviously won't believe any of this, nor do I expect you to...but it sounds about right to me.

-U9btB8FSPA

Basically he says McCain is up on Obama in internal polling in New Jersey, Michigan and way way up in Pennsylvania....
He even says McCain is within 1 point in California.
You know why it sounds right to me? Because Obama didn't win any of those damn states in the primary...that's why.
This is what happens when you give the nomination to a guy incapable of winning any major blue states in the primary.
I bet Obama doesn't have voter fraud in place for places like NJ....and that's why I always felt pretty good making my prediction of a McCain landslide, because not even the planned voter fraud would prevent the asskicking he's going to get in this election.

So let me get this straight whott, according to McCain's internal polling, he's within 1 point in California and yet, has decided not to visit the state to flip its 55 electoral votes. Not one visit at the end of the campaign to a state that has 55 electoral votes and is a dead heat?
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

You're a moron.:bang:bang

Cry Havoc

11-02-2008, 06:03 PM

TheMadHatter

11-02-2008, 06:34 PM

Simple question for whottt.

Will you show up here if Obama wins?

exstatic

11-02-2008, 06:56 PM

Polls are inaccurate, unless they are McCain's internal polls, in which case they are absolute accurate predictors of what will happen. This position is also not inconsistant.

Nbadan

11-02-2008, 08:25 PM

As Whottt promotes his delusions...

With two days left until the presidential election, Barack Obama continues to lead John McCain by 13 points among likely voters, 54 percent to 41 percent, a new CBS News poll finds. The margin in the new poll, released Sunday, is identical to that in a CBS News poll released Saturday.

As the number of undecided voters has dwindled, so has the number that says their minds can still change. More than nine in 10 of each candidate’s voters now say they have made up their minds about who to vote for and are not likely to change. Just seven percent of Obama voters and 8 percent of McCain voters say they still might change their minds.

With two days to go, only 8 percent of likely voters are uncommitted – either they have not yet chosen a candidate, or their minds could still change. Nearly all of these uncommitted voters say they plan to vote.

Today’s uncommitted voters are mostly white, and more than half are age 45 or older. Just over half are men, and most live in the Midwest and South. Half describe themselves as moderate, and many are not partisan - four in 10 are independents.

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/11/02/politics/horserace/entry4564135.shtml)

According to the polls, this shouldn't even been close..

whottt

11-02-2008, 11:33 PM

So let me get this straight whott, according to McCain's internal polling, he's within 1 point in California and yet, has decided not to visit the state to flip its 55 electoral votes. Not one visit at the end of the campaign to a state that has 55 electoral votes and is a dead heat?
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

You're a moron.:bang:bang

And are you so fucking stupid that you think a last minute rally before 20k people is going to flip a state? Especially when there are others more flippable?

Here's what you need to realize douche:

#1. McCain himself said early on he believed Ca could be flipped, remember? I posted the article on this forum and we discussed the fact that there must be something in his internal polling indicating this. I didn't particularly agree with him. Nontheless...he did send Palin to do 2 rallies there, and 2 fund raisers.

Why in the fuck do you think he did that? To waste precious time?

#2. He focused on states that his internal polling showed he was leading in...if these internal polls are right, it makes much more sense of him to focus on PA, where he has a huge lead, and is essentially all he needs to win, instead of what many consider to be the the most liberal state in the nation...which is a longshot, no matter the polling numbers.

#3. McCain did focus on some blue states, he went after MI, MIN, WI, and PA...oh yeah, and again, Palin did do 2 rallies in CA.

Why do you think Palin did 2 rallies in CA idiot?

whottt

11-02-2008, 11:37 PM

The fact he hasn't taken any bets says a lot.

Yeah because unlike you, I am always afraid to make a bet.

Hey bitch...you said McCain would win...you fucking bet him.

It's funny you talking shit about this when as far I know you have never made a vbookie bet, you don't ever play fantasy sports...

As far as I know I'm the only one you've ever bet with on this forum, you lost this bet and still whined like a pussy about it and I conceded it, tho I didn't have to, just to shut you up.

You bet...

I don't want to bet on this.

TheMadHatter

11-02-2008, 11:41 PM

whottt

11-02-2008, 11:49 PM

Simple question for whottt.

Will you show up here if Obama wins?

No...

ElNono

11-02-2008, 11:55 PM

No...

Talk is cheap. You gotta show up and own up to your idiocy.
Then again, most everyone here knows you're a pussy...

We still gonna :lmao at you regardless if you show up or not....

Mr. Peabody

11-03-2008, 12:04 AM

And are you so fucking stupid that you think a last minute rally before 20k people is going to flip a state? Especially when there are others more flippable?

Here's what you need to realize douche:

#1. McCain himself said early on he believed Ca could be flipped, remember? I posted the article on this forum and we discussed the fact that there must be something in his internal polling indicating this. I didn't particularly agree with him. Nontheless...he did send Palin to do 2 rallies there, and 2 fund raisers.

Why in the fuck do you think he did that? To waste precious time?

#2. He focused on states that his internal polling showed he was leading in...if these internal polls are right, it makes much more sense of him to focus on PA, where he has a huge lead, and is essentially all he needs to win, instead of what many consider to be the the most liberal state in the nation...which is a longshot, no matter the polling numbers.

#3. McCain did focus on some blue states, he went after MI, MIN, WI, and PA...oh yeah, and again, Palin did do 2 rallies in CA.

Why do you think Palin did 2 rallies in CA idiot?

Are you so fucking stupid as to believe a caller to a radio show who claims to be an insider over every other fucking poll in existence? :lmao:lmao

Didn't it strike you as odd that the guy refused to give the name of the company that conducted the poll?:lmao:lmao

So we have an anonymous caller to a radio show claiming that he is an insider and has information from a unnameable GOP pollster that completely contradicts every other reputable poll out there.

Pardon me.....

:lmao:lmao:lmao

McCain within 2 in California?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

McCain winning New Jersey?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

McCain winning Michigan, where he has already conceded?

:lmao:lmao

You are so fucking gullible.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Anonymous callers to radio shows are the best sources of information.

TheMadHatter

11-03-2008, 12:06 AM

There is absolutely no way whottt is serious at all about any of this. Absolutely no way, he's doing this for shits and giggles much like BRHornet does with his ludicrous threads.

ElNono

11-03-2008, 12:10 AM

There is absolutely no way whottt is serious at all about any of this. Absolutely no way, he's doing this for shits and giggles much like BRHornet does with his ludicrous threads.

Never underestimate stupidity...

whottt

11-03-2008, 01:17 AM

Are you so fucking stupid as to believe a caller to a radio show who claims to be an insider over every other fucking poll in existence? :lmao:lmao

Didn't it strike you as odd that the guy refused to give the name of the company that conducted the poll?:lmao:lmao

No idiot...because internal pollsters almost never give their names or the companies they work for...including Obama's....often times, they can't.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

So we have an anonymous caller to a radio show claiming that he is an insider and has information from a unnameable GOP pollster that completely contradicts every other reputable poll out there.

Yeap...and in past elections where the major polls were off bigtime that's exactly what happened then too...read a few pages back in the thread about the 1980 Presidential election.

Obama's internal polls have been scaring the shit out of him about Palin.

Pardon me.....

:lmao:lmao:lmao

McCain within 2 in California?

Actually, he was within 1.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

McCain winning New Jersey?

Wouldn't surprise me at all....

:lmao:lmao:lmao

McCain winning Michigan, where he has already conceded?

This one does make sense...as Manny has already posted, Obama has a strong ground game in MI and Acorn is strong there.

:lmao:lmao

You are so fucking gullible.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

You're the one that is gullible...you're the one bought and owned by the media...not I.

Again I'll point out the very corherent line of reasoning I used for why these numbers could easily be valid...

Because Obama didn't win any of these states in the primaries, he wasn't even on the ballot in MI for the primaries...

You are the stupid fuck that thinks everyone is brainwashed party loyalist like yourself that will support any shit a party throws up there on the ballot...

Even when we have the entireity of US Presidential Election History hammering you over your stupid fucking head that simply isn't the case.

Sincerely, A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT

sabar

11-03-2008, 01:34 AM

This is over. It's not just polls, it's bookmakers too. If this wasn't a sure thing there wouldn't be 10 to 1 odds.

Cry Havoc

11-03-2008, 02:08 AM

Next thing you know, Whottt will be claiming Chicago is a red city this year.

ElNono

11-03-2008, 07:43 AM

No idiot...because internal pollsters almost never give their names or the companies they work for...including Obama's....often times, they can't.

You forgot to answer how that gives this guy more credibility than all the other polls combined.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

No, but you are.

Yeap...and in past elections where the major polls were off bigtime that's exactly what happened then too...read a few pages back in the thread about the 1980 Presidential election.

Actually, it only happened in only *ONE* election in the past, and under completely different conditions. At this point in time, if it would be the older election with the new candidates, McCain should be polling higher than Obama right now. He isn't.

Obama's internal polls have been scaring the shit out of him about Palin.

Polls actually have shown Palin taking away votes from McCain. That's how dumb that bitch you love is.

Actually, he was within 1.
Wouldn't surprise me at all....
This one does make sense...as Manny has already posted, Obama has a strong ground game in MI and Acorn is strong there.

CA is going blue.
NJ is going blue.
NY is going blue.
MI is going blue.

Get it?

You're the one that is gullible...you're the one bought and owned by the media...not I.

Not the M$M owns your soul argument again. Tell me, who are your sources? 'Joe the Blogger'? Your own first hand experience in a handful of cities in ONE state? Some unnamed dude on a YouTube video? GAFB.

Again I'll point out the very corherent line of reasoning I used for why these numbers could easily be valid...
Because Obama didn't win any of these states in the primaries, he wasn't even on the ballot in MI for the primaries...

Except they contradict every other single information out there, not to mention that not even McCain is giving them any more importance when they could hand him the election. If there's anything more incoherent than that, I don't know what is is.

Even when we have the entireity of US Presidential Election History hammering you over your stupid fucking head that simply isn't the case.

:lmao The entirety of the US Presidential Election History is hammering over YOUR head... you actually brought the one and only exception, and you're clinging to that desperately... History is definitely not on your side.

Sincerely, A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT
Berg has nothing on you...

florige

11-03-2008, 08:40 AM

No...

Damn at least he is honest....:lol

baseline bum

11-03-2008, 09:21 AM

So will California be red, o lead pastor of the Church of Palin?

Bartleby

11-03-2008, 10:03 AM

RealClear is showing SD and AR going from Strong McCain to leaning McCain.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obviously this won't affect the electoral count, but it's an interesting shift that suggests McCain's support may be waning in some traditional GOP strongholds. I don't think this election is going to be close at all.

JoeChalupa

11-03-2008, 10:05 AM

Come on Barack!!!

florige

11-03-2008, 10:30 AM

No...

Talk is cheap. You gotta show up and own up to your idiocy.
Then again, most everyone here knows you're a pussy...

We still gonna :lmao at you regardless if you show up or not....

Yeah dude still come in here man.... Win or lose we are all in the same boat. Might as well get behind either McCain or Obama whichever one wins.

dg7md

11-03-2008, 10:38 AM

I can't wait for the end of political commercials.

whottt

11-03-2008, 01:39 PM

So will California be red, o lead pastor of the Church of Palin?

I doubt it...I mean shit c'mon dude, Obama is up by an average of 20 points in eveyr poll there.

But let's take a look at this objectively here base...

You need to realize something...McCain underpolled by 7 points in the California Primaries.

Obama overpolled by 10 points in the California Primaries.

California was expected to go to Obama in the Democratic Primary...Hillary won it by 10 points.

McCain only had a .3 lead in the polls in the Republican Primary...McCain won it by 7.7 points.

Take a look at the popular vote totals for the California Primary:

Republican:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_vote_count.html

Democratic:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

The potential for an upset is there...depends on how many pissed off Hillary supporters go to McCain...or stay home.

Depends on how much Palin can get the California Republicans to turnout(something the CA GOP are claiming she will do more than anyone since Reagan, and there was a massive turnout for her rallies).

Depends on how the Jews and Hispanics go...

And oh yeah...it depends on how the Asians go, and I have a feeling that is going to be surprising to many.

What I do know is this...

I can guaranfuckingtee you Obama isn't going to win that state by 20 points as every poll is saying.

I'll predict a closer finish than Kerry and Bush had.

According to reports...the early vote totals are neck and neck between the Republicans and the Democrats...and I guarantee you more of those Democrats are going for McCain than those Republicans are going for Obama.

whottt

11-03-2008, 01:44 PM

Yeah dude still come in here man.... Win or lose we are all in the same boat. Might as well get behind either McCain or Obama whichever one wins.

I dont think so...if Obama wins the first thing I am going to do is join any and all groups I can find that are organizing boycotts against the major media...

Actually...I'll be doing that even if McCain wins.

DarkReign

11-03-2008, 02:01 PM

I dont think so...if Obama wins the first thing I am going to do is join any and all groups I can find that are organizing boycotts against the major media...

Actually...I'll be doing that even if McCain wins.

So youre joining the Green Party, then?

whottt

11-03-2008, 03:13 PM

So youre joining the Green Party, then?

Been there and done that...was actually a member of the Green Party and worked some local campaigns in Austin in 97-99(Lance Armstrong was actually part of this as well early on, was during his return from cancer but before he went on to win the Tour De France)....different world then.

I'd have voted for Nader in 2000 but I wasn't stupid enough to think he would get elected so I voted for Gore instead, as I didn't want Bush getting elected, at all.

I like the Green Party better than the Democratic Party.

whottt

11-03-2008, 03:22 PM

So youre joining the Green Party, then?

BTW Don't try to shoehorn me into some set ideology or belief system as you'll only confuse yourself...I don't agree totally with any party platform or ideology...and the parts I agree with at certain times might not be the ones I agree with at other times. Sometimes I'm pacifistic on foreign policy and sometimes I'm pro aggression. Sometimes the environment is my priority and other times it's not. Sometimes I am in favor of some aspects of socialism(almost always done under the umbrella of Capitalism and in the private sector), and other times I'm not. Things change, situations change, and what's right at one point may not be right at another, I don't have a static political ideology or outlook and frankly I think anyone that does is pretty stupid...

Like I've always said...I'm a moderate...to me that means I change depending on the situation.

JoeChalupa

11-03-2008, 03:36 PM

BTW Don't try to shoehorn me into some set ideology or belief system as you'll only confuse yourself...I don't agree totally with any party platform or ideology...and the parts I agree with at certain times might not be the ones I agree with at other times. Sometimes I'm pacifistic on foreign policy and sometimes I'm pro aggression. Sometimes the environment is my priority and other times it's not. Sometimes I am in favor of some aspects of socialism(almost always done under the umbrella of Capitalism and in the private sector), and other times I'm not. Things change, situations change, and what's right at one point may not be right at another, I don't have a static political ideology or outlook and frankly I think anyone that does is pretty stupid...

Like I've always said...I'm a moderate...to me that means I change depending on the situation.

Nothing wrong with being a flip-flopper.

whottt

11-03-2008, 03:38 PM

Nothing wrong with being a flip-flopper.

Depends on the flip flop...

smeagol

11-03-2008, 04:18 PM

whottt, you wanted to vote for Nader . . ? That guys is incoherent, tyo say the least.

SnakeBoy

11-03-2008, 04:21 PM

The PUMA prediction....

http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=119

Shastafarian

11-03-2008, 04:31 PM

The PUMA prediction....

http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=119

:lmao

Those PUMAs are crazier than the board republicans!

JoeChalupa

11-03-2008, 04:54 PM

William Bennet predicts McCain wins with 273 EV's.

:bang

whottt

11-03-2008, 04:55 PM

William Bennet predicts McCain wins with 273 EV's.

:bang

He's gonna win with a lot more than that.

Shastafarian

11-03-2008, 04:59 PM

He's gonna win with a lot more than that.

I see you're a PUMA :lol

Still predicting a McCain landslide?

Bartleby

11-03-2008, 05:05 PM

William Bennet predicts McCain wins with 273 EV's.

:bang

No wonder the dude has a gambling problem.

whottt

11-03-2008, 05:08 PM

I see you're a PUMA :lol

Still predicting a McCain landslide?

Well technically I'm not one since I voted for Bush in 2004. I did vote for Hillary in the primary though.

And of course I'm still predicting one.

JoeChalupa

11-03-2008, 05:18 PM

He's gonna win with a lot more than that.

I hope you are wrong my friend.

JoeChalupa

11-03-2008, 05:20 PM

Come on Chuck Todd...keeps my hopes alive!!!!

DarkReign

11-03-2008, 05:35 PM

whottt

11-03-2008, 06:30 PM

Holy-fucking-hell...

...and you blamed me for all of Michigan's problems for being almost exactly the same way.

Aint that a bitch. Irony is lost on some people, I guess.

The Greens don't contol your state...the Democrats do.

A staple of the Green platform is personal responsibility and accountability...not get the GOVT to wipe your ass for you....the Democrat creed.

MannyIsGod

11-03-2008, 06:46 PM

Whottt is a moron, make sure you vote, and lets do this.

whottt

11-03-2008, 06:51 PM

Whottt is a moron, make sure you vote, and lets do this.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-259.html

Hey...seen any good Survey USA polls lately?

whottt

11-03-2008, 07:02 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-259.html

Hey...seen any good Survey USA polls lately?

Damn.....post a poll that was off by 23 FUCKING points in favor of Obama in the California Primary and you'd think you get a reaction in a poll thread...

Instead the crickets chirp...

Here let me help you guys think of something to say:

You're isane for not trusting the polls whottt.
You're stupid whottt.
Damn whottt you are so owned!

PixelPusher

11-03-2008, 07:05 PM

Damn.....post a poll that was off by 23 FUCKING points in favor of Obama in the California Primary and you'd think you get a reaction in a poll thread...

Instead the crickets chirp...

Here let me help you guys think of something to say:

You're isane for not trusting the polls whottt.
You're stupid whottt.
It's not February whott. It's not the Democratic Primary whott.

Shastafarian

11-03-2008, 07:07 PM

Damn.....post a poll that was off by 23 FUCKING points in favor of Obama in the California Primary and you'd think you get a reaction in a poll thread...

Instead the crickets chirp...

Here let me help you guys think of something to say:

You're isane for not trusting the polls whottt.
You're stupid whottt.
Damn whottt you are so owned!

Bill Kristol, of the Weekly Standard, just said Obama is gonna win Cali by 3 million votes. Are you saying he's in the tank for Obama?

whottt

11-03-2008, 09:13 PM

Bill Kristol is also one of the asshats that thought McCain's new housing refinance plan was going to be paid for with new taxes, along with Mort Condracky, Krauthamer and all those other stupid fucks that hang out with Brit Hume.

They got owned(along with Manny) and every other journalist in the US that night...by me, it's in the second debate thread.

I'm smarter than he is...as you will understand tomorrow.

If he said McCain was going to win would you believe him?

PS: I'm not calling a McCain win in Cali...but there is plenty of reason to doubt the polls...I've already shown McCain polls low there(by an avg of 7 points) and Obama polls high(by an avg of 10).

Shastafarian

11-03-2008, 09:16 PM

Bill Kristol is also one of the asshats that thought McCain's new housing refinance plan was going to be paid for with new taxes, along with Mort Condracky, Krauthamer and all those other stupid fucks that hang out with Brit Hume.

They got owned(along with Manny) and every other journalist in the US that night...by me, it's in the second debate thread.

I'm smarter than he is...as you will understand tomorrow.

If he said McCain was going to win would you believe him?

I never said I believe him but if a homer like him even thinks Obama will be +3 million people in Cali, then I'd tend to think you are in the SUPER minority in thinking it will be close at all.

whottt

11-03-2008, 09:16 PM

I'm also in the superminority thinkng McCain will win in a landslide....

whottt

11-03-2008, 09:20 PM

He's definitely going to be wrong about the difference in vote totals...I'll say the difference will be under a million.

DarkReign

11-03-2008, 09:20 PM

Bill Kristol is also one of the asshats that thought McCain's new housing refinance plan was going to be paid for with new taxes, along with Mort Condracky, Krauthamer and all those other stupid fucks that hang out with Brit Hume.

They got owned(along with Manny) and every other journalist in the US that night...by me, it's in the second debate thread.

I'm smarter than he is...as you will understand tomorrow.

If he said McCain was going to win would you believe him?

I'm also in the superminority thinkng McCain will win in a landslide....

I will admit, youre either stubborn to the point of delusion or youre right.

Shastafarian

11-03-2008, 09:38 PM

I'm also in the superminority thinkng McCain will win in a landslide....

Touché

whottt

11-03-2008, 09:58 PM

I will admit, youre either stubborn to the point of delusion or youre right.

I'm not at the point of delusion...I factored high minority turnout and voter fraud into that prediction.

True I ignored the polls...but that's with good reason.

Bartleby

11-03-2008, 10:00 PM

True I ignored the polls...but that's with good reason.

D-E-N-I-A-L

DarkReign

11-03-2008, 10:17 PM

I'm not at the point of delusion...I factored high minority turnout and voter fraud into that prediction.

True I ignored the polls...but that's with good reason.

We'll see.

MannyIsGod

11-04-2008, 12:37 AM

PixelPusher

11-04-2008, 12:40 AM

We got this. I'm pulling an all nighter at the Las Cruces office and I'll try to post a running blog in a thread here tomorrow with up to the minute updates to what is going on. I don't know if I'm going to be able to pull it off but I'm going to try.

are your updates going to be just about New Mexico specifically, or will you be privy to national exit polling data too?

clambake

11-04-2008, 12:41 AM

voter fraud for the win. i am whottt and i approve this message.

MannyIsGod

11-04-2008, 12:52 AM

Oh and fuck Whottt and his poll cherry picking ass. Be prepared to laugh at his stupid ass tomorrow when the US shows him that they want Obama and not some old cranky bastard.

MannyIsGod

11-04-2008, 12:58 AM

I won't have access to anything national and I doubt I'll have access to anything other than a very limited area of New Mexico. I'm going to be a canvas captain which basically means I'm managing a small team of volunteer canvassers who will be doing hardcore targted GOTV efforts all day long in Dona Ana County. I'll know how my small precients are doing based on the level of reduction we see in our targets throughout the day but thats about the extent of the information I will have access too directly through the campaign.

Your best bet for exit poll results are going to be internet leaks but I'm not a big fan of exit polls. At 6pm Central you will have some results from the east coast and we'll know shortly after then how things are going.

If Georgia is even close, good luck for the GOP. If they're able to call NC and VA for Obama, then it is pretty much game over. I anticpate that results from PA or OH will be delayed due to late poll closure, but we'll see.

Should be a fun day.

Das Texan

11-04-2008, 01:00 AM

I am so jazzed for tonight.

Das Texan

11-04-2008, 01:02 AM

Oh and if Dixville, New Hampshire is any indication, good luck to the GOP.

They just voted 15 to 6 in favor of Obama and they havent gone blue since 1968.

Bartleby

11-04-2008, 01:22 AM

I'm just anxious to see if McCain can flip NY.

boutons_

11-04-2008, 08:44 AM

McCain 510 Electoral Votes, Obama 28 … How the Map Looked Exactly 2 Years Ago (http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/11/03/mccain-510-electoral-votes-obama-28-how-the-map-looked-exactly-2-years-ago/)

http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ecv-2006.png

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/11/03/mccain-510-electoral-votes-obama-28-how-the-map-looked-exactly-2-years-ago/

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Screaming testimony about the efficacity of McNasty's campaign. :lol

boutons_

11-04-2008, 09:42 AM

The $$$ are heavily against McLoser

http://politicszone.betfair.com/zone?action=mkt_chart&exch_id=1&mkt_id=20739353&pcts=1&timestamp=2008-11-04_14:39:10

http://politics.betfair.com/

Cry Havoc

11-04-2008, 09:49 AM

It will be fun to see whether Whottt starts screaming and whining about a "rigged vote", or tells us all he was trolling the hell out of us for a month. Either way, I'm not sure I believe him.

JoeChalupa

11-04-2008, 09:57 AM

There really won't be anything to report until this evening anyhow and there will information overload at that point.

balli

11-05-2008, 01:12 AM

I haven't posted in this thread, but I will now: A couple of these states are still up for grabs, but to answer the question that this thread poses:

LIKE THIS!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6f/Current_2008_US_Electoral_College_Polling_Map.PNG/800px-Current_2008_US_Electoral_College_Polling_Map.PNG

MannyIsGod

11-05-2008, 01:22 AM

Man, I love this thread.

DarkReign

11-05-2008, 01:39 AM

Man, I love this thread.

You have every reason to.

MaNuMaNiAc

11-05-2008, 02:35 AM

Hey Manny, before I forget, congrats on today :tu I imagine Obama's victory had a lot to do with volunteers like you. How does it feel to help make history?

PixelPusher

11-05-2008, 02:53 AM

So ends one of the most informative and entertaining threads in the Political Forum.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/election.png

Mr. Peabody

11-05-2008, 08:08 AM

Hey Manny, before I forget, congrats on today :tu I imagine Obama's victory had a lot to do with volunteers like you. How does it feel to help make history?

florige

11-05-2008, 05:36 PM

Latest Jersey Poll:

New Jersey Marist Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3

Last one was down to 6.

Following the trend in Washington State.

Man this number really has me nervous.....:bang

:lol

MannyIsGod

11-05-2008, 07:57 PM

Hey Manny, before I forget, congrats on today :tu I imagine Obama's victory had a lot to do with volunteers like you. How does it feel to help make history?

I'll make a post about it in a bit but I want to take time to do it because I've been mulling over what this means to me and how to put it as correctly as possible.

Simply put the entire time I spent volunteering was a transformative process for me and I'm positive it had the same effect on a lot of people who took part in the campaign at whatever level they did.

MannyIsGod

11-05-2008, 10:50 PM

nxjjR90AMmM

Video quality kinda sucks since I honestly wasn't paying attention while I shot this, but its a glimpse at what it was like at the HQ when the networks called it.

florige

11-05-2008, 10:53 PM

nxjjR90AMmM

Video quality kinda sucks since I honestly wasn't paying attention while I shot this, but its a glimpse at what it was like at the HQ when the networks called it.

Other than that moment, I bet you guys breathed a HUGE sigh of relief once he actually held PA. I was nervous as hell that McCain was gonna somehow steal that state.

MannyIsGod

11-05-2008, 10:59 PM

I was still out in the field when they called PA. I still knocked on a bunch of doors after that. I was really confident, but I did definitely feel relief after they called it and I was extremely surprised that they called it so quickly.

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 02:38 PM

Shit man, not sure what we're going to do now that we don't have polls to argue over.

Oh wait! We now have post poll performance to argue over!!!!

There was a lot of talk of the Bradley Effect although I really thought Obama would out perform polls based on the "Cellphone Voters" and a Reverse Bradley Effect due to Black turnout. Electoral-Vote.com has the first analysis I've found and it basically says that Obama outperformed polls in every single swing state. The polls were off, but not in McCain's favor.

baseline bum

11-06-2008, 02:42 PM

Other than that moment, I bet you guys breathed a HUGE sigh of relief once he actually held PA. I was nervous as hell that McCain was gonna somehow steal that state.

As soon as Pennsylvania was called, I knew we had this shit! Great video.

baseline bum

11-06-2008, 02:43 PM

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 02:47 PM

One thing that is obvious is that there is still a lot of racism in places like western PA where McCain was able to exploit it at the end. The problem is the numbers of those voters were simply swamped by the ability of the Obama campaigns to draw out new voters.

Viva Las Espuelas

11-06-2008, 02:53 PM

One thing that is obvious is that there is still a lot of racism in places like western PA where McCain was able to exploit it at the end.......so voting for mccain was a sign of being a racist. thanks. i was wondering if i was a racists or not.
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I'm very happy to hear this nation is less racist than I expected it to be.

One thing that is obvious is that there is still a lot of racism in places like western PA where McCain was able to exploit it at the end.

keep the hope alive, guys. way to go on that "uniting". :tu

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 02:58 PM

:lol

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach some more please.

Viva Las Espuelas

11-06-2008, 03:07 PM

:lol

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach some more please.
po tay toe
po tot toe

JoeChalupa

11-06-2008, 03:08 PM

to may toe
to ma to

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 03:08 PM

I want to get this straight though. You believe that the areas of western PA, South Eastern OH, and West Virginia are not racist right?

Viva Las Espuelas

11-06-2008, 03:15 PM

I want to get this straight though. You believe that the areas of western PA, South Eastern OH, and West Virginia are not racist right?
i never said anything about anywhere. i just going by what i saw in your post saying that if you live in those areas, you're a racist if you voted for mccain. i really can't see what else you were trying to get at with your post.

Centaur of the Sun

11-06-2008, 03:20 PM

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 03:21 PM

i never said anything about anywhere. i just going by what i saw in your post saying that if you live in those areas, you're a racist if you voted for mccain. i really can't see what else you were trying to get at with your post.

Thats not what I was saying and you damn well know it but nice back pedal job. What I said, and I said it quite clearly, was that those areas have higher amounts of racist voters and that the McCain campaign sought to exploit that in order to flip the state but that it failed. Obviously I never once insinuated or said that everyone who voted for McCain in those areas was racist which is why I called your post a reach.

Viva Las Espuelas

11-06-2008, 03:22 PM

He used qualifiers that didn't make his statement absolute.

There are racists there, and some of them did vote for McCain because he was the white candidate.

Racists are everywhere, shit, my uncle hates blacks.i'm not saying that there aren't racists there or anywhere, but to call someone a racist simply because they voted for any candidate is stupid as all hell.

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 03:23 PM

Where did I do that?

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 03:24 PM

Viva Las Espuelas

11-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Thats not what I was saying and you damn well know it but nice back pedal job. back pedal job huh? i stated it 2 times, one time in each posts.

What I said, and I said it quite clearly, was that those areas have higher amounts of racist voters and that the McCain campaign sought to exploit that in order to flip the state but that it failed. Obviously I never once insinuated or said that everyone who voted for McCain in those areas was racist which is why I called your post a reach.

po tay toe
po tot toe

Centaur of the Sun

11-06-2008, 03:25 PM

i'm not saying that there aren't racists there or anywhere, but to call someone a racist simply because they voted for any candidate is stupid as all hell.

He didn't call somebody a racist because they voted for McCain. More like the reason they voted for McCain is because they were racist. May seem to be a trivial difference, but it's pretty significant.

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 03:27 PM

More like lack of reading comprehension. I think if you're going to claim that I said all McCain voters in those areas are racist you should be able to point out to ONE absolute in my statement. You know something like the word all, or the word every might come in handy. Of course you're not here for intellectual honesty, are you?

Viva Las Espuelas

11-06-2008, 03:34 PM

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 03:39 PM

note to self from the uniter.

i'm a racist, dumb, and a liar.

check
:tu

:tu on the dumb part. I mean fuck, can you really get a note to self from another person?

:lmao

ChumpDumper

11-06-2008, 03:45 PM

That's going to leave a mark.

Centaur of the Sun

11-06-2008, 03:46 PM

Damn, you're right.

That blew my mind.

timvp

11-06-2008, 03:47 PM

I mean fuck, can you really get a note to self from another person?

:lmao:lol

I didn't read the context but that was LOLable.

MannyIsGod

11-06-2008, 05:36 PM

Hey Manny, before I forget, congrats on today :tu I imagine Obama's victory had a lot to do with volunteers like you. How does it feel to help make history?

I really wanted to come back to this, so here we go.

Its a bit easier now to put things into perspective. As I hear the news of the transition going into full gear the cabinet positions being filled I know that there is no "what do we do now" because the governing has already begun.

The night of the election I was extremely exhausted. I had gotten 2 nights of sleep the night before, I had walked out in the field the entire day and when I got a text message that NBC had called PA for Obama I didn't know what to think. Logically I knew this was pretty much the last nail in the coffin because this was the only path for a McCain longshot victory. However, I still wanted the other shoe to drop and I wanted to hear of a FL, VA, NC, or OH call to get me completely over the hump.

Anyway, I got back to the office and it was still extremely busy. Polls had just closed and there were still lines at certain precients and volunteers were being sent out these areas. On the way out to one, another voluntter named Matt and myself heard NPR call OH for Obama which prompted a deafening chorus betweent he two of us in the car. :lol It really seems funny as hell to me looking back on things. We ended up just going back to HQ at this point. When they called NM right away we cheered a shit ton knowing this was where we held a special ownership of the race and knowing that our work out in the field had moved a county that was 2 points in favor of Kerry in 04 to being 15 points in favor of Obama in 08. Thats a HUGE move and I attribute that fully to the incredible work of the Field Organizers in that office and the volunteers that did a lot of the grunt work. It fills me with pride.

That night was just a complete emotional outpouring of joy. I fought tears when I talked to Jess on the phone when I began to realize that everything those people had poured their heart into was coming to fruition. Man, I just can't describe the wave of emtions I felt at that time. It was simply overwhelming. Obama doesn't represent an election where we felt we had a poor choice, he represents a complete political revolution for my generation and an opportunity to make great things happen. He's ours, and I don't think everyone understands what I mean by this but I know from the pictures and scenses that I saw play out right in front of me that a lot of people do. I know most of us don't take for granted that our future is brighter but I do know that everyone there feels like they have ownership of one of the greatest moments in American History which is simply something I can't fully comprehend yet.

RandomGuy

11-06-2008, 05:41 PM

RandomGuy

11-06-2008, 05:44 PM

I really wanted to come back to this, so here we go.

Its a bit easier now to put things into perspective. As I hear the news of the transition going into full gear the cabinet positions being filled I know that there is no "what do we do now" because the governing has already begun.

The night of the election I was extremely exhausted. I had gotten 2 nights of sleep the night before, I had walked out in the field the entire day and when I got a text message that NBC had called PA for Obama I didn't know what to think. Logically I knew this was pretty much the last nail in the coffin because this was the only path for a McCain longshot victory. However, I still wanted the other shoe to drop and I wanted to hear of a FL, VA, NC, or OH call to get me completely over the hump.

Anyway, I got back to the office and it was still extremely busy. Polls had just closed and there were still lines at certain precients and volunteers were being sent out these areas. On the way out to one, another voluntter named Matt and myself heard NPR call OH for Obama which prompted a deafening chorus betweent he two of us in the car. :lol It really seems funny as hell to me looking back on things. We ended up just going back to HQ at this point. When they called NM right away we cheered a shit ton knowing this was where we held a special ownership of the race and knowing that our work out in the field had moved a county that was 2 points in favor of Kerry in 04 to being 15 points in favor of Obama in 08. Thats a HUGE move and I attribute that fully to the incredible work of the Field Organizers in that office and the volunteers that did a lot of the grunt work. It fills me with pride.

That night was just a complete emotional outpouring of joy. I fought tears when I talked to Jess on the phone when I began to realize that everything those people had poured their heart into was coming to fruition. Man, I just can't describe the wave of emtions I felt at that time. It was simply overwhelming. Obama doesn't represent an election where we felt we had a poor choice, he represents a complete political revolution for my generation and an opportunity to make great things happen. He's ours, and I don't think everyone understands what I mean by this but I know from the pictures and scenses that I saw play out right in front of me that a lot of people do. I know most of us don't take for granted that our future is brighter but I do know that everyone there feels like they have ownership of one of the greatest moments in American History which is simply something I can't fully comprehend yet.

Congrats. It will be interesting to see how people under 30 view this election in 10 years or so.

I did what I could in my neighborhood, but didn't have the time to do more.

I did make the rounds with my "Veterans for Obama" sign though.