Breaking Bad

[Cant_Be_Faded]

WTF? Gus is one of the most inhuman characters on TV, EVER. He's a fucking reptile. Killing other psychos doesn't make him any less one.

IMO the show is trying to tell us that Gus had a heart, and lost it. He became cold because the game required it.

Walt on the other hand, became cold by choice.

I actually find myself cheering for Gus more than Walt these days....his play against those mexicans was a work of art

[mavsfan1000]

IMO the show is trying to tell us that Gus had a heart, and lost it. He became cold because the game required it.

Walt on the other hand, became cold by choice.

I actually find myself cheering for Gus more than Walt these days....his play against those mexicans was a work of art
Exactly my thoughts.

[Monostradamus]

I know it's a TV show, but didn't Gus' plan seem kinda.....i don't know....stupid?

This was one of the rare moments on the show where I couldn't suspend reality and just enjoy how badass it was. Not that it isn't at least a little bit plausible, but would the cartel leader really share a bottle of tequila with every last piss-on in attendance?

Also, why didn't he offer anything to Mike? You'd think if he was offering his own bodyguards tequila, he'd do the same for Gus' man.

[Fpoonsie]

It's prolly a cultural thing. Gus had an idea of how his gift would be received, and furthermore, spread around.

As far as Mike not getting any, [shrug]. The don may have not thought enough of him to offer him any, so I'm okay with that.

I would've been more hard-pressed to believe the whole scenario had Gus not gotten sick nearing the end. He (and likewise Mike) obviously didn't get away scott-free.

[Bender]

... nm

[ChuckD]

I know it's a TV show, but didn't Gus' plan seem kinda.....i don't know....stupid?

This was one of the rare moments on the show where I couldn't suspend reality and just enjoy how badass it was. Not that it isn't at least a little bit plausible, but would the cartel leader really share a bottle of tequila with every last piss-on in attendance?

Also, why didn't he offer anything to Mike? You'd think if he was offering his own bodyguards tequila, he'd do the same for Gus' man.

He offered one to Jesse. Good move by Gus to have him retract the offer to "an addict". He didn't offer one to Mike, or a couple of his guys, the one Mike strangled, and the one who shot at them as they were leaving. The only "bodyguard" I saw that got one was the guy who accompanied Gus to the bathroom. He was probably the Don's personal bodyguard, which is why he got a drink. Everyone else was at least Capo rank.

[Cane]

I know it's a TV show, but didn't Gus' plan seem kinda.....i don't know....stupid?

This was one of the rare moments on the show where I couldn't suspend reality and just enjoy how badass it was. Not that it isn't at least a little bit plausible, but would the cartel leader really share a bottle of tequila with every last piss-on in attendance?

Also, why didn't he offer anything to Mike? You'd think if he was offering his own bodyguards tequila, he'd do the same for Gus' man.

For me walking in front of a sniper was the rare wtf moment.

Gus taking out the cartels with that bottle made sense if you remember the precautions it took to get there (blindfold, weapon search, etc) and if Gus knew how hospitable the leader was. Also Gus himself took a drink too. Doesn't explain why he ignored Mike but maybe Gus gave him an excuse or the leader doesn't appreciate opposing goons.

Gus also had to know there was a party and plenty of hot chicks coming; he had it timed just right to poison them but we'll see if he ended up taking himself out too...

[desflood]

This is a badass show. I can't read the thread yet though - just finished season 1, which means we start season 2 tonight.

[Monostradamus]

For me walking in front of a sniper was the rare wtf moment.

See I found that believable, because the cartel never wanted to kill Gus, they just wanted to send a message. They obviously had the chance to kill him years earlier and didn't, alluding to Gus' ties with the Chileans.

[cantthinkofanything]

I think Gus will survive just to make Jesse use the poison. Also thought it was a decent setup with his video game playing translating into him making a couple of shots when it counted.

[Nathan89]

See I found that believable, because the cartel never wanted to kill Gus, they just wanted to send a message. They obviously had the chance to kill him years earlier and didn't, alluding to Gus' ties with the Chileans.

Truth

[Cane]

See I found that believable, because the cartel never wanted to kill Gus, they just wanted to send a message. They obviously had the chance to kill him years earlier and didn't, alluding to Gus' ties with the Chileans.

Yea but it looked like the sniper didn't realize it was Gus until after he fired a few shots against him. Terminator Gus scene was both really dumb and really bad ass imo.

[Trainwreck2100]

I think Gus will survive just to make Jesse use the poison. Also thought it was a decent setup with his video game playing translating into him making a couple of shots when it counted.

Mike taught him how to fire a gun offscreen

[cantthinkofanything]

Mike taught him how to fire a gun offscreen

I do remember mention of that. So you think the scene of him shooting zombies was only included to show how fucked his mind was?

[DJ Mbenga]

I do remember mention of that. So you think the scene of him shooting zombies was only included to show how fucked his mind was?

yes, and collect some dollars from Rage.
i dont see a scenario in which Gus lives this season whether its from the poison, i think he surives or the last episode. there just cant be a way. somebody has to die. jesse, gus or walt. i think we know who is least likely to die.

[mavsfan1000]

Can't wait until next episode. Shit is going to hit the fan. :)

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So do yall think gus really did see potential in jesse or was his comment earlier this season purely to drive a wedge between jesse and walt? I can't decide on this one but the theme of jesse having latent potential reminded me of season two when jesse went to his parents house and saw an old chemistry test in which walt gave him an F and wrote "You are capable of much more". It seems that that is true.

[oh crap]

reminded me of season two when jesse went to his parents house and saw an old chemistry test in which walt gave him an F and wrote "You are capable of much more". It seems that that is true.

i forgot about that scene.

[Cane]

So do yall think gus really did see potential in jesse or was his comment earlier this season purely to drive a wedge between jesse and walt? I can't decide on this one but the theme of jesse having latent potential reminded me of season two when jesse went to his parents house and saw an old chemistry test in which walt gave him an F and wrote "You are capable of much more". It seems that that is true.

Probably both: Gus sees potential in him and wants to manipulate Jesse a little bit. Although it complicated things I think Gus respected Jesse's decisions of taking out the dealers with the kid. Jesse also has street experience and was a drug dealer himself (leadership potential); most of Gus' guys are ex-military or ex-police so they don't think out of the box like Jesse did against the meth addicts. Jesse is also loyal which means a lot to Gus.

Once Jesse got his act together and stopped throwing house parties, he became a great asset for Gus.

[Isitjustme?]

Only thing I'm complaining about: Where's the Gus backstory?

Breaking Bad's conditioned us so well and yet remains surprising. Did anyone not see something coming from the gift? And yet, didn't everyone go into that scene like, 'fuck, this is when Jesse dies.' And how many times has that happened, it's fucking cliche at this point to point it out, but damn.

Gus' speech after it all, '...or fight me....,' was immaculate. Everything about that character is immaculate.

Sucks that's all we get from Don Eladio. What a character.

[Cane]

Only thing I'm complaining about: Where's the Gus backstory?

Breaking Bad's conditioned us so well and yet remains surprising. Did anyone not see something coming from the gift? And yet, didn't everyone go into that scene like, 'fuck, this is when Jesse dies.' And how many times has that happened, it's fucking cliche at this point to point it out, but damn.

Gus' speech after it all, '...or fight me....,' was immaculate. Everything about that character is immaculate.

Sucks that's all we get from Don Eladio. What a character.

Yea Gus is a great character and I bet we'll get more backstory even if he dies. Maybe a flashback in the next season or something.

Whats crazy is that the Gus character was made after the Tuco actor had schedule conflicts and couldn't continue the show. Tuco was supposed to be one of the main bad guys throughout the series. Would've been "tight, tight, tight!"

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Gus has really grown on me the last 4 or 5 episodes. He's a fucking bad ass. Makes me feel sorry that he's almost surely going to die this season.

[Fpoonsie]

Ok. I've had this discussion with a few people now, and I might as well throw it out here, too. Gus' "friend" that got shot by the Mexican cartel leader...was that Gus' lover?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

No idea, I never took it that way.

[Fpoonsie]

Hmmm...I guess, I just couldn't figure investing so much into that guy (paying for his education, investing in the business) unless there WAS more going on. Not to mention, the turn he took from somewhat mild-mannered and rather meek to what he is now after his boy was killed.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Hmmm...I guess, I just couldn't figure investing so much into that guy (paying for his education, investing in the business) unless there WAS more going on. Not to mention, the turn he took from somewhat mild-mannered and rather meek to what he is now after his boy was killed.

oh my mistake you're talking about the other hermano

yeah i still didn't take it that way though, I just figured they were really good friends....the title of the episode was Hermanos, so I never took them for lovers.

[oh crap]

never took it that way either, the guy mentioned having kids and shit before right?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Gay lovers? Seriously?

My guess is that Jesse keeps the ricin and uses it on Walt to cap the show.

You can never trust a junkie.

I don't think Gus dies from the poison, either. Made it a point to show him swallowing the charcoal tabs and puking. Incapacitated, maybe. But not dead.

Oh, and goodbye, Ted.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Skylar is such a fucking dumb bitch it blows my mind.

[Bender]

Oh, and goodbye, Ted.
:tu yeah, I'll pump my fist if that happens... what a scumbag.

edit: even better if Skylar is the one that does it

[Fpoonsie]

Gay lovers? Seriously?


Uh. It wasn't meant as a knock to the guy. The creator even said Gus' orientation is "open to interpretation." (http://articles.boston.com/2011-09-10/ae/30139816_1_paul-mccartney-gus-hbo) I just thought it might bring new insight as to his motivation.

[shrug]

[Monostradamus]

Yeah it wouldn't be some ridiculous notion to think Gus might be gay. There's been plenty of discussion about it all over the place. tbh it would be stupid to think the writers didn't have some sort of idea that people would jump to this conclusion.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Not the notion, just that people viewed that scene and got the gay vibe. I didn't get that at all.

It really changes nothing in his motivation. Lover, bff, like a brother, etc; someone Gus cared about was brutally murdered right in front of his face.

[Trainwreck2100]

Maybe because he loved him like a brother. Hence the name of the restaurants, fuckin homos always pushing their gay agenda on everyone

[Nathan89]

Not the notion, just that people viewed that scene and got the gay vibe. I didn't get that at all.

It really changes nothing in his motivation. Lover, bff, like a brother, etc; someone Gus cared about was brutally murdered right in front of his face.

Gus does seem gay but I didn't get that vibe from the scene.

It's a reasonable question, IMHO.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

i forgot about that scene.

I'm so fucking stupid...I just realized your avatar was from season 2

ROFL I was always wondering what the hell that was

fucking machete

[ChuckD]

If Gus were gay or bi, he would have a cover story and family in place. Criminal syndicates often execute members found to be gay or bi.

[ChuckD]

OK, my guess: Walt doesn't have enough money to vanish everyone, but maybe enough to vanish everyone but him, and he's safe for now.

Fuckin' A.

[Nathan89]

Walter overreacting again.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Okay the way beneke died was fucking stupid, it took away from this episode


but regardless....what a tense fucking episode, especially that final scene


I almost was thinking Walt was really going to die and the show would go in a marlo-esque direction just straight up Jesse

But that didn't happen.....still though that final scene was so fucking tense....holy crap what an awesome show

[ChuckD]

Walter overreacting again.

You think that after what Gus told him would happen if he interfered with the hit on Hank, and then he interfered, and now doesn't have the money to disappear that what he did was an overreaction? You must be from Vulcan or some shit.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I didn't realize it was understood that Skylar spent most of Walt's cash on paying off Beneke....I figured Walt was banking so hardcore that he wouldn't even notice the missing money.

But for Skylar to take that much of Walt's money on her big fuckup makes me hate her ass even more than I already did, and I didn't think that was possible.

[Nathan89]

You think that after what Gus told him would happen if he interfered with the hit on Hank, and then he interfered, and now doesn't have the money to disappear that what he did was an overreaction? You must be from Vulcan or some shit.

Ahh...Yes I forgot about the interference. I guess I was already thinking he was overreacting because he was already making plans to get a hidden identity and then at the end of the conversation asked for one last favor.

I wonder why Walter didn't repeat what he said in the past "if you kill hank, the DEA will be suspicious".

That's a tough position to be put in for Walter. On one hand you caused all this and Hank might get kill because of you and on the other hand you're risking your entire family's life to save Hank. I don't think I would risk it.




I didn't realize it was understood that Skylar spent most of Walt's cash on paying off Beneke....I figured Walt was banking so hardcore that he wouldn't even notice the missing money.

But for Skylar to take that much of Walt's money on her big fuckup makes me hate her ass even more than I already did, and I didn't think that was possible.

Yeah, I thought Walt had a millions down there.

Pretty sure Gus still owes him some money...I wonder if Walt is going knock on his door and ask for his last paycheck...you know to help with the move.:lol

Saul Goodman is a fucking idiot for making that phone call. No way in hell that I would have done that.

[ChuckD]

I wonder why Walter didn't repeat what he said in the past "if you kill hank, the DEA will be suspicious".

I think if it's between them being suspicious or the DEA actually showing up at the lab, Gus will take the suspicion. Hank is just way too close. He's WAY ahead of the DEA on this. If Gus doesn't kill him, he'll bust the operation.

[resistanze]

God. Damn. What an episode.

[mavsfan1000]

Walt should've just left it alone. He is fucking himself even more in this episode. Now Gus has no choice but to kill him.

[Bender]

I didn't realize it was understood that Skylar spent most of Walt's cash on paying off Beneke....

Yeah, I thought Walt had a millions down there.
I thought that he would have way more money too, but then I remembered that they spent a TON of money on Hank's care and recuperation...

[ChuckD]

Walt should've just left it alone. He is fucking himself even more in this episode. Now Gus has no choice but to kill him.

Gus KNEW he was going to warn Hank. That's why Gus told him he was going to kill him. Do you really see Walt as someone who could just let Hank take the bullet and say nothing?

Gus enjoys taunting people with the deaths or impending deaths of their families. He did it twice in this episode, first Hector, then Hank.

The time for Walt to leave it alone was when Hank was convinced that Gale was Heisenberg and he was both dead and a dead end. Once he put Hank back on the trail, everything that happened was almost inevitable.

[ChuckD]

I thought that he would have way more money too, but then I remembered that they spent a TON of money on Hank's care and recuperation...

Don't forget that they also bought the car wash, and have been laundering money through it. I'm sure there's a bank balance, but the disappear guy wants paper money.

[Bender]

and all the money they were spending on Walt's care before Hank.

dang, how long do we have to wait till the next season :(

[Nathan89]

and all the money they were spending on Walt's care before Hank.

dang, how long do we have to wait till the next season :(

was that the last episode of the season?:depressed

[Nathan89]

I thought that he would have way more money too, but then I remembered that they spent a TON of money on Hank's care and recuperation...

It's really stupid of his wife to take such a large percentage of their cash without even discussing things with Walt. I guess this gave me the impression of there being more cash down there.

As other have said though they have spent a lot of money on big expenses.
Walt's medical, Hank's medical, Car wash, Saul's fees, and laundering money(but I don't think the done much of this yet). Gus probably still owes him some money that he will never get.

[Bender]

was that the last episode of the season?there's one or two more shows. It did kind of seem like an ending episode, but it's a 13 episode season, so there is more coming.

still, I hope there's not a long wait for season 5. Maybe March...

[resistanze]

The time for Walt to leave it alone was when Hank was convinced that Gale was Heisenberg and he was both dead and a dead end. Once he put Hank back on the trail, everything that happened was almost inevitable.

Yeah, this asshole's ego will hopefully be the death of him.

[Nathan89]

The time for Walt to leave it alone was when Hank was convinced that Gale was Heisenberg and he was both dead and a dead end. Once he put Hank back on the trail, everything that happened was almost inevitable.

Walt definitely shouldn't had said anything. However the blue stuff was going to stay on the streets and Hank wasn't going to stop searching for the source of the drugs.

[Kamala]

Vince Gilligan has said this series is about Walt going from A to Z. Walt will replace Gus. The next few episodes and next season will take us on that ride. Damn great show!

[ChuckD]

there's one or two more shows. It did kind of seem like an ending episode, but it's a 13 episode season, so there is more coming.

still, I hope there's not a long wait for season 5. Maybe March...

They JUST signed the contracts for the next season, so March is pretty much out of play. It will probably start the same time as this season did: July-ish.

[ChuckD]

It's really stupid of his wife to take such a large percentage of their cash without even discussing things with Walt.

I'd be angrier with her if he hadn't done so much behind HER back. She was trying to keep the IRS off their backs. It's not like she bought shoes. They don't talk much anyway, living separately.

[Proxy]

I wonder if money had to be spent covering Ted's death...? Just a thought.

Gus signed his life away by threatening Walt. I hope Mr White transforms into Heisenberg and puts the hat on during the last episode.

Another thought... not sure if you guys have noticed the purple and green theme. It's been somewhat subtle throughout the entire series, but it was hugely prominent at the end last night. Gus, Saul, Saul's henchmen... all in purple... Skyler was in green. I'm trying to figure out what it means.

[Proxy]

They JUST signed the contracts for the next season, so March is pretty much out of play. It will probably start the same time as this season did: July-ish.

Maybe earlier. The last season is 16 episodes.

[Cane]

Selfishly I hope they don't divide the last 16 episodes into two seasons. This show has been fantastic and the pace is going to get crazier as Hank dials in.

[ChuckD]

Maybe earlier. The last season is 16 episodes.

I've never seen an AMC show in a shorter cycle than 12 months. They are sometimes delayed, as BB and Madmen were this year, but never early.

[Trainwreck2100]

I wonder if money had to be spent covering Ted's death...? Just a thought.

Gus signed his life away by threatening Walt. I hope Mr White transforms into Heisenberg and puts the hat on during the last episode.

Another thought... not sure if you guys have noticed the purple and green theme. It's been somewhat subtle throughout the entire series, but it was hugely prominent at the end last night. Gus, Saul, Saul's henchmen... all in purple... Skyler was in green. I'm trying to figure out what it means.

skylar doesn't even know ted is dead

[ChuckD]

Selfishly I hope they don't divide the last 16 episodes into two seasons. This show has been fantastic and the pace is going to get crazier as Hank dials in.

Early word that I've read is that it will be one season.

[Trainwreck2100]

Early word that I've read is that it will be one season.

we'll see what happens when it wraps

[Monostradamus]

Holy shit, the way Ted died was so fucking stupid. I mean borderline jumping the shark stupid. I seriously almost turned off the TV and quit watching the show forever because of that. That entire scene was like a horribly written Six Feet Under opening.

[Trainwreck2100]

he went out like such a bitch, but didn't really expect fake inspector and fat security guard to hurt him.

[ChuckD]

Ted's always been one to run away from his problems and not deal with them. VG was just setting that to video. I LOLd.

[Cane]

Holy shit, the way Ted died was so fucking stupid. I mean borderline jumping the shark stupid. I seriously almost turned off the TV and quit watching the show forever because of that. That entire scene was like a horribly written Six Feet Under opening.

The scene was definitely for comedic value and his "death" seemed like something out of the Looney Tunes but it was still one of the most bad ass episodes on TV. Sprinting in dress shoes while being panicked = nasty fall I suppose.

If Ted is dead at least they cut out some of the few fat thats left in the story.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I wonder if money had to be spent covering Ted's death...? Just a thought.

Gus signed his life away by threatening Walt. I hope Mr White transforms into Heisenberg and puts the hat on during the last episode.

Another thought... not sure if you guys have noticed the purple and green theme. It's been somewhat subtle throughout the entire series, but it was hugely prominent at the end last night. Gus, Saul, Saul's henchmen... all in purple... Skyler was in green. I'm trying to figure out what it means.

I never noticed the green but definitely the purple. Hanks wife is always dressed in purple and everything in her house is purple. Then the two hit men was very conspicuous.

[IronMexican]

Holy shit, the way Ted died was so fucking stupid. I mean borderline jumping the shark stupid. I seriously almost turned off the TV and quit watching the show forever because of that. That entire scene was like a horribly written Six Feet Under opening.

The entire Ted story sucks major ass. I'm just happy this should be the end of it.

[Monostradamus]

The scene was definitely for comedic value and his "death" seemed like something out of the Looney Tunes but it was still one of the most bad ass episodes on TV. Sprinting in dress shoes while being panicked = nasty fall I suppose.

If Ted is dead at least they cut out some of the few fat thats left in the story.

I think maybe the rest of the episode (and season) being so incredible also made Ted's death seem even more stupid and out of place.

[leemajors]

burr was great.

[Monostradamus]

burr was great.

:tu

oh yeah, I finally saw Senna. That was amazing.

[Proxy]

I've never seen an AMC show in a shorter cycle than 12 months. They are sometimes delayed, as BB and Madmen were this year, but never early.

True. You're right. It's going to overlap something... Walking Dead I guess. It would be nice to have two of the three main shows on together again.

[Spurminator]

The Ted scene was pretty bad, but we don't know for sure that he's dead.

[ChumpDumper]

Zombie Ted Walking Dead crossover!

[CuckingFunt]

Zombie Ted Walking Dead crossover!

The Walking Ted?

[Proxy]

The Ted scene was pretty bad, but we don't know for sure that he's dead.

Oranges... he's dead.

Was it really that bad? I liked it. My gf and I laughed and re watched it a few times. Ted is so pathetic, it seemed suitable for him to die like that.

[ChuckD]

True. You're right. It's going to overlap something... Walking Dead I guess. It would be nice to have two of the three main shows on together again.

I think since the seasons are so short, they stagger the main shows like BB and Madmen to help launch new shows. They're starting a new one in a few weeks that will run with Walking Dead.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I forgot to mention this a few episodes ago but i think walts cancer is back. Ever since that episode where he got a scheduled check up, he has been coughing pretty harsh here and there. Plus he never gave a direct answer to his family when they asked how the routine screening went.

[ChuckD]

Gus is a freak.

Oh, and they mentioned "next summer" as the starting point of the next season.

[mavsfan1000]

Another incredible episode. I am still shaking from it. lol

[vander]

haven't seen today's episode yet, but really not liking the insertion of the tax evasion storyline, they shouldn't need to be reaching for extra drama. and Gus must actually be a huge idiot who got to where he is by pure luck if he thinks Jesse can replace an actual chemist.

show unraveling after it looked like it was going to be the strongest season yet.

[mavsfan1000]

haven't seen today's episode yet, but really not liking the insertion of the tax evasion storyline, they shouldn't need to be reaching for extra drama. and Gus must actually be a huge idiot who got to where he is by pure luck if he thinks Jesse can replace an actual chemist.

show unraveling after it looked like it was going to be the strongest season yet.
You wanted a more predictable result? Come on. This show is better off if everything doesn't make sense.

[vander]

You wanted a more predictable result? Come on. This show is better off if everything doesn't make sense.

that was what made it so great for a while, it was unpredictable yet still made perfect sense.

the tax evasion thing and Jessee as the main cook reek of desperation and the writers not knowing what to do next and making it up as they go along.

no more drawing new storylines out of a hat.

[mavsfan1000]

What would make sense but kill the show is that Gus kills both Jesse and Walt at the end of last season. But then the show would be over unless they want to make Gus the new leader of Breaking Bad. lol

[Trainwreck2100]

haven't seen today's episode yet, but really not liking the insertion of the tax evasion storyline, they shouldn't need to be reaching for extra drama. and Gus must actually be a huge idiot who got to where he is by pure luck if he thinks Jesse can replace an actual chemist.

show unraveling after it looked like it was going to be the strongest season yet.

the tax evasion was to ensure that Walt had no money left and would have to find a way to stay.

[ChuckD]

haven't seen today's episode yet, but really not liking the insertion of the tax evasion storyline, they shouldn't need to be reaching for extra drama. and Gus must actually be a huge idiot who got to where he is by pure luck if he thinks Jesse can replace an actual chemist.

It takes a chef to design an exquisite recipe for a four star restaurant, but after that he can teach any line cook to follow it. I mean it's not like Jesse didn't work with the anal retentive Walter for four years, and learn things like precise amounts, keep your apparatus (the tanks) clean, make your times precise.

Jesse was cooking before Walter was. His stuff was just not as pure. Walter taught him how to cook in volume and make the stuff like 96-98% pure.

[Monostradamus]

yeah the whole "Gus is dumb to let Jesse cook" idea is stupid. Who do you think was cooking before Walt? If Jesse is capable of almost replicating Walt's product in shit conditions in Mexico, and perform even better than Gail, then his education is irrelevant.

[spurs_2108]

Yeah but Gus hated Jesse so much before. What makes him like him all of a sudden. If I remember Walt wasn't going to cook with out Jesse in the new lab. On the other hand, Walter and Jesse have been separated a million times, just like a damn couple. But what I'm getting at, is what does Gus see in Jesse now that Walt can't do?

[Monostradamus]

Yeah but Gus hated Jesse so much before. What makes him like him all of a sudden. If I remember Walt wasn't going to cook with out Jesse in the new lab. On the other hand, Walter and Jesse have been separated a million times, just like a damn couple. But what I'm getting at, is what does Gus see in Jesse now that Walt can't do?

Gus never hated Jesse, he just never trusted Jesse.

I'm pretty sure they've been over this a shitload of times already. Walt is disloyal, selfish, and can't be controlled. He stirs shit up and intellectually is equal with Gus. Jesse is loyal to a fault, dumb as a brick, and more easily manipulated. Gus knows if he can keep Jesse off the meth, then he'll be far easier to control than Walt.

[Spurminator]

I think Walt poisoned the kid. For all his pleas about why he wouldn't have a motive to do such a thing, Jesse' teaming up with him to take out Gus proves that there is a motive. I think it was weighing on Walt's mind while he sat by the pool.

[Trainwreck2100]

I think Walt poisoned the kid. For all his pleas about why he wouldn't have a motive to do such a thing, Jesse' teaming up with him to take out Gus proves that there is a motive. I think it was weighing on Walt's mind while he sat by the pool.

the actor who plays gus says gus didnt do it

[Findog]

http://meanmassive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/bb4-Hank-Marie.jpg

They're not rocks, Marie, they're minerals."

[Findog]

Why would Walt poison the kid? Doesn't he say "I don't even know who that is?" when Jesse accuses him? I don't think he knows who Brock is.

It doesn't make sense for Gus to do it either - it's too convoluted, and I don't know when either Walt or Gus would have had the opportunity to do it.

I'm thinking Occam's Razor: the kid probably just grabbed the cigarette out of his pack wanting to smoke and picked the wrong one.

[Findog]

Also, how come anytime ricin is mentioned on the show, Jesse has to point out "It's ricin, it sounds like rice."

[Trainwreck2100]

Why would Walt poison the kid? Doesn't he say "I don't even know who that is?" when Jesse accuses him? I don't think he knows who Brock is.

It doesn't make sense for Gus to do it either - it's too convoluted, and I don't know when either Walt or Gus would have had the opportunity to do it.

I think the kid probably just grabbed the cigarette out of his pack wanting to smoke and picked the wrong one.
walt gives his reasoning when he explains why gus would poison the kid. jesse ifs the only one who can get close to gus and walter. Jesse says that it was impossible cause he switched the cig pack and hadn't seem the kid since he did that

Also, how come anytime ricin is mentioned on the show, Jesse has to point out "It's ricin, it sounds like rice."

Cause hes an idiot

[Findog]

yeah the whole "Gus is dumb to let Jesse cook" idea is stupid. Who do you think was cooking before Walt? If Jesse is capable of almost replicating Walt's product in shit conditions in Mexico, and perform even better than Gail, then his education is irrelevant.

Yeah, but he pulls stuff like "I just grab the barrel with the Bee on it and that's how I know what to mix with." It seems like at some point that could be a problem.

[AnthonyM]

As much as I hope it was Gus that poisoned Brock and not Walt, a lot during the episode makes it seem like Walt did it.

Walt's clearly pondering something while he's spinning the gun. Then, Jesse gets searched and Huell clearly puts something in his pocket. Right after that Saul clearly mentions to Jesse how Walt was taken out to the desert and his life and family was threatened. Jesse then asks "What?" and Saul is like "nothing, forget it".

Then of course, the end when Gus doesn't go to the car. If he didn't know Brock was poisoned he'd immediately assume he was being set up by Walt...

Again, it's still possible that Gus did it...but the writers are at least making it seem like it could have been Walt.

[ChuckD]

How did Walt get the cigarette from Jesse? Even if Walt poisoned the kid, the cigarette should still be in Jesse's pack. Walt had NO opportunity to remove it. In the fight, Jesse kicked his ass and kicked him out. Jesse also said he had transferred it that morning. Walt never saw him that day. Jesse was only showed at the lab, where Walt pointed out that it would have been easy for Tweedle Dee to scoop it out of his clothes in the locker.

It's not that I don't think Walter is capable of it, I just don't think he did it. I did have a thought today, though, that Walter will eventually kill Jesse next season.

[DJ Mbenga]

How did Walt get the cigarette from Jesse? Even if Walt poisoned the kid, the cigarette should still be in Jesse's pack. Walt had NO opportunity to remove it. In the fight, Jesse kicked his ass and kicked him out. Jesse also said he had transferred it that morning. Walt never saw him that day. Jesse was only showed at the lab, where Walt pointed out that it would have been easy for Tweedle Dee to scoop it out of his clothes in the locker.

It's not that I don't think Walter is capable of it, I just don't think he did it. I did have a thought today, though, that Walter will eventually kill Jesse next season.

Saul? his fat ass did pat him down

[Monostradamus]

Saul? his fat ass did pat him down

Yeah but there's no way that clumsy fatass could pull off sleight of hand David Blaine-esque maneuvers like getting a cigarette out of a pack and then putting the pack back into his pocket.

[Monostradamus]

It's not that I don't think Walter is capable of it, I just don't think he did it. I did have a thought today, though, that Walter will eventually kill Jesse next season.

Walt will kill Skylar, I'm sure of it. If I was to make some ridiculously premature predictions, I'd predict that Walt kills Skylar, Jesse kills Walt, and Hank kills Jesse.

[Monostradamus]

Yeah, but he pulls stuff like "I just grab the barrel with the Bee on it and that's how I know what to mix with." It seems like at some point that could be a problem.

Gus already knows the chemicals needed better than Jesse as it is. he just gets the correct stuff, tells Sourpuss Black Guy Who Replaced The Mexican With The Slit Throat to slap a sticker with a bee on it, and problem solved.

[AnthonyM]

Yeah but there's no way that clumsy fatass could pull off sleight of hand David Blaine-esque maneuvers like getting a cigarette out of a pack and then putting the pack back into his pocket.

He could have taken the pack out of his pocket when Jesse gets there (and as I mentioned earlier, the fat black guy does put something in his pocket after he searches Jesse), taken out the cigarette when Jesse is in Saul's office talking to him, then put it the pack back in when Jesse leaves Saul's office.

You're right that they've never portrayed the black guy as slick like that, but it's a bit more plausible then him getting the pack, taking the cigarette out, and putting it back in all at once.

I agree that it is a bit of a stretch that Walt poisoned him...but after watching the episode again I think it's possible...or the writers at least want us to think that.

[cantthinkofanything]

Maybe it's nitpicking but wouldn't the police and possibly feds become involved once it was confirmed that the kid was poisoned with Ricin? At the least, I would think that Brock's mom and grandmother would have had Jesse arrested at the hospital for knowing about it.

[Findog]

Gus already knows the chemicals needed better than Jesse as it is. he just gets the correct stuff, tells Sourpuss Black Guy Who Replaced The Mexican With The Slit Throat to slap a sticker with a bee on it, and problem solved.

I don't buy that. Things can go wrong in a lab, and a master chemist would be able to troubleshoot situations that arise better than a line cook, even a line cook as good as Jesse is. Jesse is the ultimate pawn being used by both Gus and Walt to kill the other. Gus is not going to entrust his multimillion dollar operation to a guy like Jesse, who has a history of drug abuse, isn't a chemist, still has some principles, and even at this stage of the game isn't completely in Gus's pocket, since he refuses to sign off on killing Walt. Gus presumably has the recipe for the blue meth. He can find another chemist wherever he found Gale. Jesse's value to Gus right now lies in his access to Walt, not in his ability to take over the lab. I think Gus's game is that once Walt is out of the way, Jesse can function as a placeholder until a real chemist is found to cook Walt's recipe. Over the long haul, I can't see Gus trusting Jesse to run the lab.

[Findog]

Also, is it just me or is Walt starting to look more and more like GG Allin?

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Maybe it's nitpicking but wouldn't the police and possibly feds become involved once it was confirmed that the kid was poisoned with Ricin? At the least, I would think that Brock's mom and grandmother would have had Jesse arrested at the hospital for knowing about it.

Jesse also supplied them with a house and furnishings completely with drug money. They'd be in big trouble too if they busted Jesse.

[cantthinkofanything]

Jesse also supplied them with a house and furnishings completely with drug money. They'd be in big trouble too if they busted Jesse.

I think the hospital surely would have repoted it to the police. At which point, the parent and grandparent are going to be questioned. At which point, I think their fears about being busted over how they paid for the house took a backseat.

[DJ Mbenga]

what might give some legs to the walt poison theory is this show is supposed to be the decline of us liking walt and him doing some horrific acts would be part of it. so far other than being a bitch skylar style he hasnt done anything real horrific to turn the audience on him. poisoning a kid would surely do it.
its just hard to predict this series. its interesting that way. i might be leaning towards it not being poison just something else.
my wild theory would be somehow skylar finds the ricin cigarette and smokes it and dies. of course this is more wishful thinking than a realistic idea.

[Findog]

what might give some legs to the walt poison theory is this show is supposed to be the decline of us liking walt and him doing some horrific acts would be part of it. so far other than being a bitch skylar style he hasnt done anything real horrific to turn the audience on him. poisoning a kid would surely do it.
its just hard to predict this series. its interesting that way. i might be leaning towards it not being poison just something else.
my wild theory would be somehow skylar finds the ricin cigarette and smokes it and dies. of course this is more wishful thinking than a realistic idea.

The ricin is in a vial, so it can't be smoked. The cigarette was just being used to conceal it before it was supposed to be slipped in food or drink. So either it's a coincidence that the ricin cigarette has gone missing, or somebody has definitely poisoned Brock.

Walt has done some horrible things, but I think on some level he cares about Jesse and does not want to hurt him. Poisoning Brock to save his own skin would be hurting Jesse. Look at the way he broke down after the fight sobbing and called Walt Jr "Jesse."

[AnthonyM]

what might give some legs to the walt poison theory is this show is supposed to be the decline of us liking walt and him doing some horrific acts would be part of it. so far other than being a bitch skylar style he hasnt done anything real horrific to turn the audience on him. poisoning a kid would surely do it.
its just hard to predict this series. its interesting that way. i might be leaning towards it not being poison just something else.
my wild theory would be somehow skylar finds the ricin cigarette and smokes it and dies. of course this is more wishful thinking than a realistic idea.

I think the bold part is spot-on. I feel that might be part of the big shocker of the season finale. Walt and Jesse get rid of Gus, then we find out that Walt poisoned Brock.

But yeah, really hard to predict this show.

[Monostradamus]

so far other than being a bitch skylar style he hasnt done anything real horrific to turn the audience on him.

He watched a girl choke to death on her own vomit, that was a tad dickish.

[Findog]

He watched a girl choke to death on her own vomit, that was a tad dickish.

You could argue that he did it out of selfish reasons because she was interfering with their meth business, but you could also argue that he knew Jesse would be going down a very bad path staying involved with her. Addiction is a disease that gets progressively worse without treatment. Not that Jesse isn't in deep shit getting involved with Gus's operation, but maybe from Walt's perspective he was saving Jesse from personal destruction.

[PakiDan]

You could argue that he did it out of selfish reasons because she was interfering with their meth business, but you could also argue that he knew Jesse would be going down a very bad path staying involved with her. Addiction is a disease that gets progressively worse without treatment. Not that Jesse isn't in deep shit getting involved with Gus's operation, but maybe from Walt's perspective he was saving Jesse from personal destruction.

I think it would be safe to argue that both of those reasons weighed in Walt's head. Why would it be one or the other? He's an intelligent man.

[Proxy]

what might give some legs to the walt poison theory is this show is supposed to be the decline of us liking walt and him doing some horrific acts would be part of it. so far other than being a bitch skylar style he hasnt done anything real horrific to turn the audience on him. poisoning a kid would surely do it.
idea.

Do you think he would make the transition so fast after making it a point to protect his family and lecture Skyler that no one should have get hurt because of him? I mean, he did take Jesse's side against Gus about the kid thing back in season 3.

[koriwhat]

just started watching this show a week ago and finally almost done with season 3... shit is pretty good aside from the media's stereo-typical druggies(the one's jesse has sell his shit).

[ChuckD]

just started watching this show a week ago and finally almost done with season 3... shit is pretty good aside from the media's stereo-typical druggies(the one's jesse has sell his shit).

Do you think meth-heads wears suits, hold jobs, and go to church? Other than the one hooker that Jesse had business dealings with, and who was the star of that hilarious/shocking blowjob montage, they've gone pretty easy on the appearance and demeanor of supposed meth users on this show. Not sure what you were expecting.

[IronMexican]

Well, those meth heads from season 4 were pretty over the top. The whole digging scene. Never seen them do dat.

[Trainwreck2100]

the atm couple was pretty nasty

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, those meth heads from season 4 were pretty over the top. The whole digging scene. Never seen them do dat.

I've seen them talk to piles of clothes, destroy rooms looking for something, dismantle a car's dash and steering column looking for bugs, run into the woods when spooked.

[Nathan89]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpyzpmruXD1qcyxpyo1_500.png

[Gutter92]

cant believe so many of you like twilight...

[Nathan89]

:wow

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjyKA9spg3js_QVNXSEDtmPHLu0W7Kf Ses1SHO-6ODu-VCkGuk

[Trainwreck2100]

ddddaaaaaaammnnnnn

[Trainwreck2100]

can't believe the spoiler image was real

[Nathan89]

can't believe the spoiler image was real

I didn't see the spoiler. So that shit shocked the hell out of me.

But Gus probably isn't dead.

[Nathan89]

WW taking over shit.

[Trainwreck2100]

I didn't see the spoiler. So that shit shocked the hell out of me.

But Gus probably isn't dead.

no he's gone Skylar confirmed it

[ChuckD]

I didn't see the spoiler. So that shit shocked the hell out of me.

But Gus probably isn't dead.
Well, I guess old Walt did poison the kid, just not with ricin.

They'll probably have to cook mobile for a while until they can set up a new lab.

"I won."

[Nathan89]

Walt is a cold blooded mother fucker. Poisoning that kid to manipulate Jesse. Had to be done though.

"I won". Walter White

[Nathan89]

Beat me to the quote.

[AnthonyM]

So, uh, what happened to the ricin?

[AnthonyM]

Plus, I love how Mike seems to still be in the picture for the last season.

[Nathan89]

Well, I guess old Walt did poison the kid, just not with ricin.

They'll probably have to cook mobile for a while until they can set up a new lab.

"I won."

I don't think the show will take that kind of step back. Shit is moving forward and in order to produce a lot they need a large lab. The lab is a must.

[Trainwreck2100]

So, uh, what happened to the ricin?
it was like jesse originally thought, the fat guy stole it

Plus, I love how Mike seems to still be in the picture for the last season.

thats the whole reason for him getting shot

[AnthonyM]

it was like jesse originally thought, the fat guy stole it


Yeah, makes sense. Walt needed him to steal it so Jesse would believe that it was Gus had poisoned him.

[Spurminator]

While I loved the plan by Walt, I thought it was very unlike Gus to show up at Hector's place. Aside from the fact that until then he's been almost psychic about figuring out when someone is trying to get him, heading to the residence of someone who you believe has just ratted you out to the DEA seems like a good way to get yourself arrested.

[Trainwreck2100]

While I loved the plan by Walt, I thought it was very unlike Gus to show up at Hector's place. Aside from the fact that until then he's been almost psychic about figuring out when someone is trying to get him, heading to the residence of someone who you believe has just ratted you out to the DEA seems like a good way to get yourself arrested.

thats why he had the black guy scout ahead

[Trainwreck2100]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstyalG4H31qaw87mo1_500.gif

[Nathan89]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstyalG4H31qaw87mo1_500.gif

Nice.

[Findog]

I was watching it at a friend's house and left before the end credits. Did they have a trailer or sneak peak for season 5?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstyalG4H31qaw87mo1_500.gif

That's awesome.

this season finale was a little slow, i expected more after the awesome pace of the last two episodes.

Gus half-burned face was kinda weak too


Pretty crazy episode for all that stuff to happen in one day though

[redzero]

Okay, I have never watched this show before. Why did Malcolm's dad rig an old man's chair with a bomb and turn black Tony Montana into Two Face?

[Trainwreck2100]

Okay, I have never watched this show before. Why did Malcolm's dad rig an old man's chair with a bomb and turn black Tony Montana into Two Face?

cause black tony montana wanted him dead

[ChuckD]

I don't think the show will take that kind of step back. Shit is moving forward and in order to produce a lot they need a large lab. The lab is a must.

They'll have to cook mobile to raise the funds for a lab, unless Jesse saved more than Walt, who didn't even have 500K to save his family. That lab Gus set up cost millions.

[Trainwreck2100]

the car wash will probably come into play for cooking next season

[DJ Mbenga]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstyalG4H31qaw87mo1_500.gif

didnt the gun point to him the second time? so it was an easy choice. either i die or i do the deed.

[Fpoonsie]

GotDAMN. That's great fucking tv.

Not sure why CBF didn't like the T2 homage. I actually fucking shrieked (all manly-like) when I saw that.

[Monostradamus]

Okay, I have never watched this show before. Why did Malcolm's dad rig an old man's chair with a bomb and turn black Tony Montana into Two Face?

Dude don't fucking hipster-scoff this episode. That's even douchier than mookiecrew-scoffing it. This episode was fucking fantastic.

[redzero]

Dude don't fucking hipster-scoff this episode. That's even douchier than mookiecrew-scoffing it. This episode was fucking fantastic.

lolwut

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, even though I didn't watch any previous ones.

[greyforest]

Fuck yes. This show owns. Some of the best writing of any television series. I'd place it just a couple rungs below The Wire and Sopranos on best of all time.

Walt has become puppetmaster.

[PM5K]

I so want to read all of this but I can't!

[mavsfan1000]

The cameras at los pollos have Walt killing those 2 guys. Walt is going down next year I'm afraid.

[IronMexican]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsu3f8L0kP1qzntm9.jpg

Only part I didn't like about this episode. I don't get why they had to make it so over the top.


3=2>4>1

[spurs_2108]

That picture sums it up. Pretty crazy.

[Bender]

I got a kick out of saul goodman's secretary putting the screws on Walt... and he stood there and took it... I wanted him to go berserk on her.

dang, now the 6 month or more wait for season 5! It's the only show I regularly watch on TV right now. might have to try walking dead, or hell on wheels...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsu3f8L0kP1qzntm9.jpg

Only part I didn't like about this episode. I don't get why they had to make it so over the top.


3=2>4>1

I just felt that two face gus part was way too over the top. Also wondering how the stone faced black guy working for gus did not notice a bomb on the wheelchair. still a great season. I almost felt like the show coulda ended like this. Going to be difficult to wrap this up in one more season

[IronMexican]

It just sounds like it's going to be Walt vs Jesse, or maybe them trying to hide their tracks from the DEA(probably both). Jesse was supposed to be killed off earlier, but Gilligan was impressed with Aaron Paul's acting and kept him around. I feel like he dies in season 5.


The whole aftermath with that shot of Gus was so cringe-worthy to me.

[Monostradamus]

Also wondering how the stone faced black guy working for gus did not notice a bomb on the wheelchair.

IIRC he didn't really search Tio, just the room. Also I doubt he was on the lookout for a bomb, but rather for recording devices in the room since he just talked to the DEA.

[redzero]

Didn't Walt rig the wheelchair after the black guy searched the room?

[Fpoonsie]

Didn't Walt rig the wheelchair after the black guy searched the room?

That wasn't really clear. He hid outside the window while the guy checked the room, but then appeared to leave really quickly after, running to his car hidden wherEVER the fuck it was.

[Trainwreck2100]

Didn't Walt rig the wheelchair after the black guy searched the room?

No he did it right after her got back from the DEA

[Spurminator]

Tio's glare right before he triggered the bomb was fantastic.

[Veterinarian.]

After seeing all the hype, I started watching last night on net flix. On the 3rd or 4th episode now..pretty good so far although there are some dull moments.

:lmao the scene where frank(?) is showing walt jr the effects of pot at the rundown motel

[Trainwreck2100]

hank

[Findog]

I just felt that two face gus part was way too over the top. Also wondering how the stone faced black guy working for gus did not notice a bomb on the wheelchair. still a great season. I almost felt like the show coulda ended like this. Going to be difficult to wrap this up in one more season

It was meant to function as a series finale in the event that they didn't get a fifth season from AMC. The negotiations were contentious and it wasn't clear that there was going to be another season.

[Proxy]

Walt put the bomb after Tyrus checked... obviously.

And to those of you who think Gustavo's tie adjustment was over the top... c'mon, get your finger out of your ass and have a little fun with it. The show is maxed out on realism... I thought it was a great Tarantino-esque way for the villain of nearly three seasons to go out.

Walt poisoning Brock seemed like the only strategy to get Jesse back on his side quickly enough for Walt to save himself and his family. Gus had to go. He didn't kill Brock... so, is it really as bad as some of us are making it out to be? Jane seemed worse, but even then, she was a black hole. We have yet to see Walt do anything evil in my opinion. Everything that he's done has been in the best interest of others and himself. I won't say he's a good person, but I don't think we have seen Walt 'break bad' yet, to the extent for us to label him as the bad guy.

[mavsfan1000]

I hope they don't make Walt the pure bad guy. I don't think he is true to that charactor. Yes he is doing some crazy things but not everything was for a good reason. I hope the show ends on a good note about Walt.

[Proxy]

I hope they don't make Walt the pure bad guy. I don't think he is true to that charactor. Yes he is doing some crazy things but not everything was for a good reason. I hope the show ends on a good note about Walt.

Have you read any of the interviews with Vince Gilligan? The entire point of Breaking Bad is to transform Walt from the protagonist to the antagonist. That's why so many people were able to easily pick up on the foreshadowing that Walt poisoned Brock.

[mavsfan1000]

Have you read any of the interviews with Vince Gilligan? The entire point of Breaking Bad is to transform Walt from the protagonist to the antagonist. That's why so many people were able to easily pick up on the foreshadowing that Walt poisoned Brock.
Yes I know the purpose. But they made Walt too nice to all of a sudden be too evil in the final season.

[DJ Mbenga]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsu3f8L0kP1qzntm9.jpg

Only part I didn't like about this episode. I don't get why they had to make it so over the top.


3=2>4>1

felt over the top i agree. i think they went all in on the terminator thing. remember what jesse said when gus pulled a "come at me bro" thing. i thought they would take inspiration from the wire and gus would ask the ladies, how my suit look?
oh yeah this ending leaked a while ago, as much as 1 month ago, but nobody bought it. a still similar to the one you posted was online but on the forum i found it in everyone dismissed it saying no way they would do that. well they did.

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2011/10/10_gustavodemise.gif

[ChuckD]

I hope they don't make Walt the pure bad guy. I don't think he is true to that charactor. Yes he is doing some crazy things but not everything was for a good reason. I hope the show ends on a good note about Walt.

The whole premise of the show is to see the complete transformation from family man to drug lord monster. Stop now if you don't want to see that.

[ChuckD]

Yes I know the purpose. But they made Walt too nice to all of a sudden be too evil in the final season.

When has Walt ever been "nice"? I've never seen that. He's been everything from frightened to whining to arrogant to lying to manipulating, but I've never seen a nice version of Walter White.

[mavsfan1000]

When has Walt ever been "nice"? I've never seen that. He's been everything from frightened to whining to arrogant to lying to manipulating, but I've never seen a nice version of Walter White.
Hey we all have our faults. I wouldn't call myself that nice either. But I'm not evil. That's how I feel about Walt. Making him a monster in the final season is an injustice to his character. I do expect it to happen but I don't have to agree with the decision of Vince Gilligan to do that. Imo he broke bad in episode 1. Breaking evil is another story though.

[Veterinarian.]

Episode 5 now. This is getting good tbh, I'd fuck the wife.

On second note, walt jr has turned into a total asshole

[spurs_2108]

Some breaking bad spotify play list.

http://open.spotify.com/user/selftitledmag/playlist/51ZC9w20zxScek0DBJCnAN

http://open.spotify.com/user/splendourific/playlist/13Y9QE3UaLY6c8jeixTnaY

[vander]

last episode was pretty good, should have been series finale.

but no matter how the cigarette went missing, that little convenient coincidence was bad writing.

[Fpoonsie]

last episode was pretty good, should have been series finale.

but no matter how the cigarette went missing, that little convenient coincidence was bad writing.

I don't think it was a coincidence. I think the implication here is that the cigarette was taken from Jesse during the pat down in his lawyer's office per Walt's instruction.

[Trainwreck2100]

Episode 5 now. This is getting good tbh, I'd fuck the wife.

On second note, walt jr has turned into a total asshole

once she's not pregnant you hate her

[Cant_Be_Faded]

When has Walt ever been "nice"? I've never seen that. He's been everything from frightened to whining to arrogant to lying to manipulating, but I've never seen a nice version of Walter White.

Nice would be a misnomer. He used to be demure, but never nice.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

once she's not pregnant you hate her

Funny cuz its true.

[leemajors]

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/8227358650/1/tumblr_lp2qcjBUwA1qbydvu

[Monostradamus]

Walt put the bomb after Tyrus checked... obviously.

Tyrus was never looking for a bomb.

[leemajors]

http://a.yfrog.com/img859/3829/6xybm.jpg

Still from the opener

[Bender]

Tyrus was never looking for a bomb.
doesn't matter... even if he wasn't, he still would have checked under the wheelchair for bugs.

One thing I was wondering about, walt somehow gave brock the poisonous berries - but how? He visited that one night while jesse was there, but never went in the house. Did he come back the next day and say "hey kid, try these great berries"?

[Monostradamus]

doesn't matter... even if he wasn't, he still would have checked under the wheelchair for bugs.

He never did that.

[ChuckD]

doesn't matter... even if he wasn't, he still would have checked under the wheelchair for bugs.

One thing I was wondering about, walt somehow gave brock the poisonous berries - but how? He visited that one night while jesse was there, but never went in the house. Did he come back the next day and say "hey kid, try these great berries"?

Tyrus was using an electronic wand to sweep for bugs, not doing any kind of visual search around/under items. I'm sure he ran the wand around the chair, and it came up clean for bugs. If that's what he's looking for, he's not going to get down and look underneath. That's the problem with hired muscle: it's usually all you get. If you tell him to sweep the room for bugs, he isn't going to check it for pipe bombs.

Saul was complicit in the plot, having his man put the pack of cigs on Jesse. Saul also knows where Brock's family lives, stopping by to give Jesse his money or something once. He could have easily rigged some sort of yummy treat and left it in reach of the kid.

[ChuckD]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsu3f8L0kP1qzntm9.jpg



That's a pretty eerie foreshadowing.

I read that if you take all of the episodes where that stuff was floating in Walter's pool in season two, what turned out to the debris from the mid air collision, there is a message there. I haven't checked it out, though, to see if all of these meet the criteria or if any not listed here do.

1. Seven thirty-seven
4. Down
10. Over
13. ABQ

[Fpoonsie]

Didn't think about Saul's interaction stretching that far, but that makes a lotta sense.

[ChuckD]

Didn't think about Saul's interaction stretching that far, but that makes a lotta sense.

Saul was pretty terrified after calling in the tip for Walt that sent Hank into protective custody. I think Walt would have had no problem selling him on this.

[Bender]

I'm sure he ran the wand around the chair
yeah, you're right, I forgot Tyrus just ran a wand around Hector in the wheelchair.

and about the spiking of some food or drink in Brock's house, I did think of that, but then I wondered that there was no way to be sure brock got it and not the mom. But either one getting poisoned would have gotten the same result probably.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

http://a.yfrog.com/img859/3829/6xybm.jpg

Still from the opener

You got a link to rewatch the opener?

[Cane]

Great finale. Next season we should see why the cartels didn't want to kill Gus themselves. Prepare for some crazy Germans or Chileans to clean up the Heisenberg mess with the DEA not too far behind.

[Spurminator]

Yeah there's got to be more to the Chile backstory.

[greyforest]

doesn't matter... even if he wasn't, he still would have checked under the wheelchair for bugs.

One thing I was wondering about, walt somehow gave brock the poisonous berries - but how? He visited that one night while jesse was there, but never went in the house. Did he come back the next day and say "hey kid, try these great berries"?

Walt got Saul to assist in poisoning brock with the non-lethal poison.

Remember Saul's assistant who shook down Walt? Look what she's shredding at the beginning of the scene:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2itju5t.jpg

Brock's school schedule.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Walt got Saul to assist in poisoning brock with the non-lethal poison.

Remember Saul's assistant who shook down Walt? Look what she's shredding at the beginning of the scene:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2itju5t.jpg

Brock's school schedule.

Wow that's amazing. I had on idea there were this many easter eggs in this show. Have all seasons been like this or did they just step it up this season?

[leemajors]

i think they have been pretty consistently doing deep foreshadowing since the start. I don't have a link to the first ep anymore, it got taken down

[TimmehC]

Just when I think this show can't get any more awesome. ^

[Bender]

keeping the continuity correct on this show must be hell on the writers. They know people like us examine everything in minute detail

[Cant_Be_Faded]

keeping the continuity correct on this show must be hell on the writers. They know people like us examine everything in minute detail

They have their work cut out for the final season. Do you guys think walt doesn't give a shit about jesse anymore or was the poisoning of the boy just another case of walt not truly respecting jesse? I think he has consistently shown he does not respect jesse but has still liked him and valued him for at least a small bit of non selfish reasons

[Trainwreck2100]

They have their work cut out for the final season. Do you guys think walt doesn't give a shit about jesse anymore or was the poisoning of the boy just another case of walt not truly respecting jesse? I think he has consistently shown he does not respect jesse but has still liked him and valued him for at least a small bit of non selfish reasons

Well that whole piece about him crying to his son was basically him acknowledging, he fucked up with Jesse. He still views him as ignorant even though he can cook the meth just fine and he almost figured out Walt's plan. It wasn't disrespect as much as it was do what you have to, to survive.

[cantthinkofanything]

cause black tony montana wanted him dead

Tony Montana shooting Tio Salmanaca

gvehBd6B1bE

[IronMexican]

I had no idea that was Tio.

[greyforest]

Wow that's amazing. I had on idea there were this many easter eggs in this show. Have all seasons been like this or did they just step it up this season?

Any time a character is wearing a green outfit, they are Breaking Bad

[Death In June]

Yeah there's got to be more to the Chile backstory.I think the creator of the show mentioned in an interview that he might leave that unexplained. He compared the Chilean backdrop to the suitcase in Pulp Fiction.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Any time a character is wearing a green outfit, they are Breaking Bad

So what does purple mean

[Drachen]

So I don't come into this thread because I am usually a few episodes behind, but I am caught up... Damn all of this stuff is cool! The easter eggs are great too.

[Drachen]

So I don't come into this thread because I am usually a few episodes behind, but I am caught up... Damn all of this stuff is cool! The easter eggs are great too.

[Monostradamus]

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/10/download_a_gus_fring_halloween.html

[leemajors]

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/10/download_a_gus_fring_halloween.html

:tu

[ChuckD]

Wow that's amazing. I had on idea there were this many easter eggs in this show. Have all seasons been like this or did they just step it up this season?

The stuffed animal with the same side of it's head obliterated and missing the same eye as Gus was from season two.

Remember, too, that when Walt was playing spin the gun, it landed square on him more than once.

[King]

Anyone remember that movie Nothing to Lose with Martin Lawrence and Tim Robbins? Turns out Gus was one of the gangsters. Blew my mind to see that .

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm241408256/nm0002064

[Drachen]

Shoot, he was in a lot of movies now that I look at it

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/2/28/1710a.jpg

[BacktoBasics]

I'm disappointed to hear that it's only going to be one more season.

[IronMexican]

5 seasons is good. No need for this show to overstay it's welcome. 16 episodes, at that.

[Bender]

popular TV shows should always quit at the top. Too many go way past their time.

[ChuckD]

I'm disappointed to hear that it's only going to be one more season.

I'm just wondering how long you thought a show with a lead character in stage 3+ lung cancer might last...

[greyforest]

I'm just wondering how long you thought a show with a lead character in stage 3+ lung cancer might last...

in hollywood? depends on how good of ratings the show gets. if breaking bad wasn't a hit walt would have kicked the bucket already.

[DJ Mbenga]

in hollywood? depends on how good of ratings the show gets. if breaking bad wasn't a hit walt would have kicked the bucket already.

well jesse was supposed to have a horrible death in season 1.

[leemajors]

I can't imagine it hasn't been mentioned before, but I have been rewatching the Wire with my gf, and I can't believe I never noticed Gale was a douchy editor at the paper.

[PakiDan]

well jesse was supposed to have a horrible death in season 1.

Please explain... how do you know this?

[resistanze]

I can't imagine it hasn't been mentioned before, but I have been rewatching the Wire with my gf, and I can't believe I never noticed Gale was a douchy editor at the paper.

He also plays a murderous corrupt cop in 'Damages'.

[cantthinkofanything]

I posted Tony Montany shooting Tio in Scarface earlier.
Thought it was interesting that Tony also shoots Don Eladio. But I can't find the damn video.

[Monostradamus]

Please explain... how do you know this?

Jesse wasn't supposed to be a permanent character on the show.

[Drachen]

I posted Tony Montany shooting Tio in Scarface earlier.
Thought it was interesting that Tony also shoots Don Eladio. But I can't find the damn video.

Oh yeah, Don Eladio was his partner, right?

[cantthinkofanything]

Oh yeah, Don Eladio was his partner, right?

that's right. and later his brother in law for maybe about 1 hour.
Manny had some of the funniest lines in the movie.

[Trainwreck2100]

Please explain... how do you know this?

No Doz's death was supposed to be his in season 1

[PakiDan]

No Doz's death was supposed to be his in season 1

Oh wow....

[Drachen]

5 seasons is good. No need for this show to overstay it's welcome. 16 episodes, at that.

I agree, look no further than "The Shield". I LOVE that show but it should have ended in season 5 when they duped kavanaugh. The next two seasons were just kinda there, then it ended. I honestly don't have a big problem with how it ended, I just think that they shouldn't have taken so long to make it happen (and of course, I would have liked to see them come out on top).

[DJ Mbenga]

Please explain... how do you know this?

vince giligan (the shows creator) has mentioned this in interviews and q and a's. alot of whats happened on the show has not been planned. for example tuco was supposed to be a villain but since the actor had to leave for law and order or some show they had to kill him off. the cousins were supposed to be the main villians for season 3 until they decided they liked Gus more. it worked out well there. jesse was supposed to die a horrible death. those were his words. when they saw their chemistry in the shortened season 1 they scrapped it.
finally even specific scenes were not original. the death scene with jane. cranston says originally he was supposed to inject her with heroin while she was sleeping to kill her. they scrapped that. then he was supposed to to move her face up while she was sleeping on her side so she would choke. the final decision is what we saw. just freeze, while she choked, cry and beautiful acting by cranston.

[AFE7FATMAN]

Anyone know when the new season starts?

[Veterinarian.]

Just watched season 1. Not bad tbh. Some parts were very enjoyable but sometimes it got slow as fuck. Looking forward to season 2 and 3 on Netflix.

[PakiDan]

For those of you who watch The Walking Dead.... did you notice on last nights episode when bow hunter guy pulled out his brother's bag of drugs by the camper that there on the bottom was a few ounces of Walt's finest.... blue meth? Looks like it made it all the way to Atlanta! Nice!

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltkp0hFPNy1r2ke7ko1_500.png

[PakiDan]

For those of you who watch The Walking Dead.... did you notice on last nights episode when bow hunter guy pulled out his brother's bag of drugs by the camper that there on the bottom was a few ounces of Walt's finest.... blue meth? Looks like it made it all the way to Atlanta! Nice!

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltkp0hFPNy1r2ke7ko1_500.png


First... yes... I am quoting myself... but wouldn't it be something if season five of Breaking Bad ended... with a zombie pandemic. Hmmmm.

[Drachen]

Coincidence?

I think not (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justice/georgia-militia-arrests/index.html?iref=allsearch)

[tp2021]

Coincidence?

I think not (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justice/georgia-militia-arrests/index.html?iref=allsearch)

Now all they have to do is replace ricin (it sounds like rice) with Lily of the Valley and no one will know it was still them.

[Trainwreck2100]

i just want hank to walk around with a giant shit eating "I told you so" grin next season

[MannyIsGod]

Finally got caught up. Epic way to kill Gus.

[dirk4mvp]

Does anybody have a site to watch season 4? Or how soon it will be on netflix?

[Sense]

Does anybody have a site to watch season 4? Or how soon it will be on netflix?

icefilms.info

[Kori Ellis]

Does anybody have a site to watch season 4? Or how soon it will be on netflix?

Spring for the $1.99 an episode and watch it on Amazon Instant Video.

[stxspurs]

I have the link at home. I saw all of them. I'll post after work. One of them is project tv. It's free

[CuckingFunt]

Finally watched the whole show (at somewhat of a ridiculous marathon pace) and am completely hooked. Can't wait for season 5.

While avoiding working on my thesis, I have also been reading up on the various theories about the show's use of color and other direction/art direction signatures. But has anyone else noticed the completely fucking insane paintings everyone has in their homes? Hank and Marie have over their bed what appears to be a large vase of flowers sitting in a desert landscape, the Whites have three unbelievably tacky portraits (one each of Walt, Skyler, and Walter Jr.) hanging in their hall, Walt's condo had a number of hideous landscapes, and so forth. Pretty hilarious and worth keeping an eye open for when watching. Ditto the family photos on walls and desks.

[Bender]

I'm ready for the show to continue, and finish up... hope not much longer to wait.

[silverblk mystix]

Finally watched the whole show (at somewhat of a ridiculous marathon pace) and am completely hooked. Can't wait for season 5.

While avoiding working on my thesis, I have also been reading up on the various theories about the show's use of color and other direction/art direction signatures. But has anyone else noticed the completely fucking insane paintings everyone has in their homes? Hank and Marie have over their bed what appears to be a large vase of flowers sitting in a desert landscape, the Whites have three unbelievably tacky portraits (one each of Walt, Skyler, and Walter Jr.) hanging in their hall, Walt's condo had a number of hideous landscapes, and so forth. Pretty hilarious and worth keeping an eye open for when watching. Ditto the family photos on walls and desks.

What's your thesis on?
(If you don't mind-it certainly has to be more interesting than this 20 plus page thread about a cable show>)

[cantthinkofanything]

Well that was subtle.

[silverblk mystix]

Well that was subtle.

I try...