Bernie Sanders

[Nbadan]

These are more accurate than current media totals.

Only 214 more delegates to catch up!


https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Sanders-State-by-State-1.pdf

[boutons_deux]

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Sanders-State-by-State-1.pdf

Clinton and her Super PACS must be very anxious, and no doubt will be going VERY DIRTY to try to win NY.

It would great if Bernie wins WY today, keeps his mo going.

[Reck]

Clinton and her Super PACS must be very anxious, and no doubt will be going VERY DIRTY to try to win NY.

It would great if Bernie wins WY today, keeps his mo going.

Its out of the hands of either. Voters will decide.

Bernie is fucked since this is a close primary so his independents won't be there. Unless they switched to dems before the deadline.

[boutons_deux]

B wins WY

[boutons_deux]

Robert Reich (https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/?fref=nf), FB page

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12998455_1194687673877160_2720077716436641180_n.jp g?oh=bb21bc0dee8758af76d0e2c83b0f6a9a&oe=577EC09B

"I was speaking yesterday with a group of European politicians, who expressed surprise at how “undemocratic” our presidential nominating process is. They pointed to:

1. The large percentage of “superdelegates” (political insiders) that will decide on the Democratic Party’s nominee.

2. The large number of primaries (such as the critical New York primary on April 19) that are closed to independents – even though there are more independents than registered Democrats or Republicans.

3. The increasing likelihood that the Republican convention will be “brokered” and that neither of the leading Republican candidates will emerge as the Republican nominee.

I explained that before the early 1970s, it was even worse; each party came up with its nominee in party conventions, without relying on the outcomes of primaries or caucuses.

“And we thought you were a democracy!” said one of my visitors."

Well, no. USA is a plutonomy, an oligarchy rigged by BigMoney as owners of politicians.

Candidates and elections are rigged to deliver politicians paid for and beholden to the wealthy class.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Clinton and her Super PACS must be very anxious, and no doubt will be going VERY DIRTY to try to win NY.

It would great if Bernie wins WY today, keeps his mo going.

Do you hope Hillary is indicted to get Bernie in?

[Reck]

Do you hope Hillary is indicted to get Bernie in?

A better question is..if she wins the nomination but then gets indicted. Who gets it then?

DNC doesn't like Bernie very much so they'd probably tap Elizabeth Warren to run.

That wouldn't be bad imo. She's a female Bernie without wanting to go nuts on the banks and whatever crazy ideas he has.

[boutons_deux]

Do you hope Hillary is indicted to get Bernie in?

I much prefer social democrat Bernie to moderate Repug/BigCorp/neoliberal/neocon tool Hillary. I'd much prefer Bernie to defeat her on his own.

If she loses because of legal problems, tough shit. That's a "regime change" that will succeed much better than her regime changes in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt.

[z0sa]

Its out of the hands of either. Voters will decide.

Bernie is fucked since this is a close primary so his independents won't be there. Unless they switched to dems before the deadline.

Sanders proceeds to rape Hillary once again. Didnt even need the independent vote :lol

Does it get tiring shilling for Shillary?

[Reck]

Sanders proceeds to rape Hillary once again. Didnt even need the independent vote :lol

Does it get tiring shilling for Shillary?

Rape as an getting the same amount of delegates? LOL

Does it get tiring sucking the cock of an old dude who's not even dem? :lmao

[z0sa]

Rape as an getting the same amount of delegates? LOL

Does it get tiring sucking the cock of an old dude who's not even dem? :lmao

Rape as in douboe digit blowout victory. And thats the best part about Bernie, the fact hes not a racist lying centrist masquerading as a liberal :lol

[Reck]

Rape as in douboe digit blowout victory. And thats the best part about Bernie, the fact hes not a racist lying centrist masquerading as a liberal :lol

Barely double digits. Overall, according to google politics only 280 people voted and beat her by 32 votes. That's not really something to pounce your chest over Zosa.

This is why Bernie supporters are annoying to me. Even though he's been winning for like a month you still have to act entitled and like your shit doesn't stink. Get real.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I much prefer social democrat Bernie to moderate Repug/BigCorp/neoliberal/neocon tool Hillary. I'd much prefer Bernie to defeat her on his own.

If she loses because of legal problems, tough shit. That's a "regime change" that will succeed much better than her regime changes in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt.
Answer the question.

Do you hope Hillary is indicted to get Bernie in? Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

Answer the question.

Do you hope Hillary is indicted to get Bernie in? Yes or no.

G F Y

[boutons_deux]

Reich FB:

"With 96 percent of precincts reporting, the Associated Press has declared Bernie the winner of the Wyoming Democratic caucuses -- with 56 percent of the vote.

In 2008, Hillary Clinton lost to Barack Obama in Wyoming by 24 percentage points.

As she has had in most states, Hillary Clinton had endorsements from more elected officials, and Wyoming’s four “superdelegates” are supporting her.

The media continues to characterize these victories (as the New York Times does, below) as “evidence of Mrs. Clinton’s weaknesses among white and liberal voters” rather than as evidence of the growing strength of Bernie’s movement to reclaim our democracy and our economy from the moneyed interests."

[TheSanityAnnex]

G F Y
Side chosen. Noted.

[z0sa]

Barely double digits. Overall, according to google politics only 280 people voted and beat her by 32 votes. That's not really something to pounce your chest over Zosa.

This is why Bernie supporters are annoying to me. Even though he's been winning for like a month you still have to act entitled and like your shit doesn't stink. Get real.

Youre the one who said Bernie is fucked. You deserve to get shit talked to you for that prediction. Or do you think your shit doesn't stink, hypocrite? Jesus it's like an echo chamber.

[Reck]

Youre the one who said Bernie is fucked. You deserve to get shit talked to you for that prediction. Or do you think your shit doesn't stink, hypocrite? Jesus it's like an echo chamber.

It's just a prediction. No different than saying XYZ team is going to win tomorrow. Relax

Besides, I'm going by the numbers. Bernie is coming into New York really disadvantaged. Closed primary, down on the polls by double digits, etc.

Forgive me for predicting an outcome. Oh my

[z0sa]

It's just a prediction. No different than saying XYZ team is going to win tomorrow.

lol "bernie is fucked" = "no different than saying xyz is going to win tomorrow"

shill.

[Reck]

lol "bernie is fucked" = "no different than saying xyz is going to win tomorrow"

shill.

He is fucked. That's the reality of it.

Try not to shed tears as Bernie has no choice but to cancelled his campaign after this month is over with. :lmao

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California primary up for grabs as Clinton’s lead shrinks

The California Democratic primary is up for grabs, as Hillary Clinton has watched her onetime 63-point lead in the polls shrink to six points over Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to a Field Poll released Friday.

Clinton leads Sanders 47 percent to 41 percent among likely voters in the June 7 primary, with 12 percent undecided. Voters who do not state a party preference are allowed to vote in the Democratic primary, which is good news for Sanders, as unaffiliated voters in other states have been supportive.

In California, nonpartisans support Sanders 49 percent to 39 percent for Clinton.

http://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-primary-up-for-grabs-as-Clinton-s-7235299.php

[z0sa]

:lol at least I have the balls to support my candidate Reck. You say you're a neutral D (I hate partyliners) then shill for Hillary and against Bernie every time you can. Balls up and just admit you're in Hillary's camp already and we'll have a lot more respect for you

[Reck]

:lol at least I have the balls to support my candidate Reck. You say you're a neutral D (I hate partyliners) then shill for Hillary and against Bernie every time you can. Balls up and just admit you're in Hillary's camp already and we'll have a lot more respect for you

I've said it from the start that at the very least I'd want a Hillary/Bernie ticket.

It's just as of late, Bernie supporters have gotten nearly as bad as Trump supporters. Not saying you have but others from other places.

[boutons_deux]

Robert Reich: I’ve Known Hillary Since She Was 19. Bernie Sanders is the Most Qualified Candidate

In a startling upset for the Clinton campaign, Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor for the Clinton administration, has come out in support of Bernie Sanders in a searing blog post (http://robertreich.org/post/138036377515) that gets to the “volcanic core” of what this election is truly about.

“I’ve known Hillary Clinton since she was 19 years old, and have nothing but respect for her. In my view, she’s the most qualified candidate for president of the political system we now have,” Reich said.

“But Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have, because he’s leading a political movement for change.”

http://usuncut.com/politics/robert-reich-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-best-candidate/

[spurraider21]

Voters who do not state a party preference are allowed to vote in the Democratic primary, which is good news for Sanders, as unaffiliated voters in other states have been supportive.

In California, nonpartisans support Sanders 49 percent to 39 percent for Clinton.
Myself included

[RandomGuy]

Rape as in douboe digit blowout victory. And thats the best part about Bernie, the fact hes not a racist lying centrist masquerading as a liberal :lol

Bernie is a lot closer to someone being true to themselves than we have seen in a long time.

[RandomGuy]

:lol at least I have the balls to support my candidate Reck. You say you're a neutral D (I hate partyliners) then shill for Hillary and against Bernie every time you can. Balls up and just admit you're in Hillary's camp already and we'll have a lot more respect for you

Ish. I hemmed and hawed right up until I was in the booth. Heart goes one way, brain went the other. Brain won, and I picked Hillary, as having a better general chance. Not even sure that is the case, but "socialist" comes with too much baggage, although I would hope we as a country could move beyong knee-jerk reactions to actual policies.

Hard call.

Easier was the fact that either Democratic candidate is better than anyone left in the GOP clown car. What a joke.

[boutons_deux]

"as having a better general chance."

National polls show Bernie beats all Repugs by a greater %age than Hillary beats them.

0.01%er Hillary epitomizes how the Dems have passively agreed to the Repug/VRWC strategy to screw the 99%, screw America, and conduct continuous war to justify taxpayers' $1T+ per year that isn't spent on Americans.

[z0sa]

Bernie is a lot closer to someone being true to themselves than we have seen in a long time.

Bingo. Supporting any other candidate feels nasty in comparison... no offense.

The funniest (or saddest) part to me of all this doesnt even concern a candidate, but the current POTUS. Obama is miles better than either frontrunner and Id vote for him in a second over either Shillary or Drumpf.

[RandomGuy]

Bingo. Supporting any other candidate feels nasty in comparison... no offense.

The funniest (or saddest) part to me of all this doesnt even concern a candidate, but the current POTUS. Obama is miles better than either frontrunner and Id vote for him in a second over either Shillary or Drumpf.

Agreed.

Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me.

She won't need to be spoon fed Foreign Policy 101, like the n00bs on the GOP side, who could probably have a hard time naming countries on a map.

[boutons_deux]

"Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me."

Please list her initiatives and accomplishments as Secy of State, esp those, if any, that moved the planet away from conflict and war.

[z0sa]

Agreed.

Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me.

She won't need to be spoon fed Foreign Policy 101, like the n00bs on the GOP side, who could probably have a hard time naming countries on a map.

Not that youre unaware of this increasingly cliche bernieism, but it bears repeating...experience does not equal judgment. Her time as secretary of state is marred in controversy over questionable decision making.

Of course one can say such controversies only exist due to partisan politics, particularly the foresight of republicans looking ahead to this year's election, which is fair.

[xrayzebra]

Ah, as Hillary says: "what difference does it make". Bernie gets the votes and Hillary gets the delegates and will get the nomination, it's in the stars. But a vote for one is a vote for the other. They are both left wing Dimm-o-craps who only want the same things. Your soul, your money and total control of your life. Look at Europe and the UK for a look into the future.

[spurraider21]

Agreed.

Although the fact that Hillary was the secretary of state is a decided bonus to me.

She won't need to be spoon fed Foreign Policy 101, like the n00bs on the GOP side, who could probably have a hard time naming countries on a map.
trump? probably.

[baseline bum]

Ah, as Hillary says: "what difference does it make". Bernie gets the votes and Hillary gets the delegates and will get the nomination, it's in the stars. But a vote for one is a vote for the other. They are both left wing Dimm-o-craps who only want the same things. Your soul, your money and total control of your life. Look at Europe and the UK for a look into the future.

LOL when the far right Fox News crowd equates a center right Clinton to a legitimate socialist Sanders.

[boutons_deux]

Carter Dismisses Clinton's State Department Work

Former President Carter says Hillary Clinton (http://thehill.com/people/hillary-clinton) “took very little action” as secretary of State to bring about peace.

Carter, 89, made the remark about the former secretary of State and 2016 Democratic front-runner in a phone interview (http://time.com/56770/jimmy-carter-jesus-christ-iran-putin-clinton-kerry/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+ Top+Stories%29) with Time magazine Wednesday night after he spoke at the Civil Rights Summit in Austin, Texas.

John Kerry (http://thehill.com/people/john-kerry) has been successful as secretary of State, Carter said, because President Obama has been deeply involved in the foreign policy issues of his second term.

“In this occasion, when Secretary Clinton was Secretary of State, she took very little action to bring about peace. It was only John Kerry’s coming into office that reinitiated all these very important and crucial issues,” he said.

Kerry’s efforts in the Middle East are “notable,” said Carter, who added he has “great admiration” for him.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/203189-carter-on-clinton-she-took-very-little-action

Anybody have any data that Carter is wrong about Hillary?

[Blizzardwizard]

Ah, as Hillary says: "what difference does it make". Bernie gets the votes and Hillary gets the delegates and will get the nomination, it's in the stars. But a vote for one is a vote for the other. They are both left wing Dimm-o-craps who only want the same things. Your soul, your money and total control of your life. Look at Europe and the UK for a look into the future.

If you're insinuating that the UK is some sort of left wing experiment gone wrong, the UK is run by right wing assholes that do more in party fighting than actually finding ways to solve growing austerity and unemployment problems.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

If you're insinuating that the UK is some sort of left wing experiment gone wrong, the UK is run by right wing assholes that do more in party fighting than actually finding ways to solve growing austerity and unemployment problems.

Do you think you have a shot at leaving the EU in the upcoming Brexit vote?

[xrayzebra]

If you're insinuating that the UK is some sort of left wing experiment gone wrong, the UK is run by right wing assholes that do more in party fighting than actually finding ways to solve growing austerity and unemployment problems.

What you call "right wing assholes" are so far left that they walk in circles. Every union you have in the UK is run by Communist.

[Reck]

Carter Dismisses Clinton's State Department Work

Former President Carter says Hillary Clinton (http://thehill.com/people/hillary-clinton) “took very little action” as secretary of State to bring about peace.

Carter, 89, made the remark about the former secretary of State and 2016 Democratic front-runner in a phone interview (http://time.com/56770/jimmy-carter-jesus-christ-iran-putin-clinton-kerry/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+ Top+Stories%29) with Time magazine Wednesday night after he spoke at the Civil Rights Summit in Austin, Texas.

John Kerry (http://thehill.com/people/john-kerry) has been successful as secretary of State, Carter said, because President Obama has been deeply involved in the foreign policy issues of his second term.

“In this occasion, when Secretary Clinton was Secretary of State, she took very little action to bring about peace. It was only John Kerry’s coming into office that reinitiated all these very important and crucial issues,” he said.

Kerry’s efforts in the Middle East are “notable,” said Carter, who added he has “great admiration” for him.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/203189-carter-on-clinton-she-took-very-little-action

Anybody have any data that Carter is wrong about Hillary?




Holy shit, most ironic article of the day. This douche was the laziest, less charismatic president this country has ever had. I can't even name you one thing he did successfully.

[boutons_deux]

blind squirrel news

Joe Scarborough is right, and that’s terrifying: The Democratic Primary has been an undemocratic mess

This morning, the MSNBC host railed against a Dem primary stacked in Hillary Clinton's favor. He has a point

When Joe Scarborough is absolutely right about the Democratic Party, that is a very bad sign.

While discussing the Wyoming caucuses on his show “Morning Joe” today, Scarborough expressed dismay (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-dem-primary-system-rigged-against-voters-663318083925) at the fact that although Bernie Sanders won by nearly 12 points, Hillary Clinton has nevertheless picked up the most delegates (11 to 7). “Why does the Democratic Party even have voting booths?” Scarborough exclaimed in barely concealed outrage. “This system is so rigged!”

It’s hard to argue with the man’s logic. Sanders has won eight of the last nine primaries, which in a normal election year would be considered a sign of unstoppable momentum. In national polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html), he is statistically neck-and-neck with Clinton, and he has whipped up unprecedented enthusiasm among young voters (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/david-axelrod-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-221620).

All of this is rendered more impressive when you consider that the party establishment has attempted to stave him off from the get-go, with the debates (http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-debate-schedule/)themselves being scheduled so as to place him (and all other challengers to Clinton, for that matter) at a distinct disadvantage, and with only a handful of elected Democrats even endorsing his campaign.

This brings us to the reason for the discrepancy between Sanders’ impressive performance among voters and his massive disadvantage among party delegates – namely, the fact that superdelegates are overwhelmingly opposed (http://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-superdelegates-pressured-to-shift-stance-after-string-of-sanders-wins-1459902173) to him.


http://www.salon.com/2016/04/11/joe_scarborough_is_right_and_thats_terrifying_the_ democratic_primary_has_been_an_undemocratic_mess/

Dems disenfranchise primary/caucus Dems as much as Repugs disenfranchises blacks, brown, students, poor, disabled, old/sick.

[baseline bum]

^ Shows pretty clearly the democrats aren't a liberal party

[Reck]

The more puzzling.

Bernie is seemingly pushing for a contested convention. In the case that happens, does he really think he will convince superdelegates to go to him when he's not offering anything worth their time.

Just an odd thing for him to want.

[DMX7]

^ Shows pretty clearly the democrats aren't a liberal party

It's been the "moderate" party for a while now... with Bill Clinton being the embodiment of that.

However, it just seems like the left-wing party by contrast to how far right the Republicans have gone...

[DMX7]

The more puzzling.

Bernie is seemingly pushing for a contested convention. In the case that happens, does he really think he will convince superdelegates to go to him when he's not offering anything worth their time.

Just an odd thing for him to want.

It's his only hope at this point... and of course he knows it's a long shot.

[boutons_deux]

It's his only hope at this point... and of course he knows it's a long shot.

I don't blame him at all. The superdelegates committed to Hillary probably won't switch to Bernie if he wins more primaries and caucuses.

Like most Americans, Bernie is victim of a rigged game.

[DMX7]

If Trump didn't get the republican nomination and went independent to split the republican vote, that would be the perfect time for Bernie to do the same (which he is not afraid to do)... and for the first time in modern U.S. general election history, we he would have real choices for POTUS.

Sadly, I think it's too late to get on the ballots as an independent for both or at least Trump.

[baseline bum]

If Trump didn't get the republican nomination and went independent to split the republican vote, that would be the perfect time for Bernie to do the same (which he is not afraid to do)... and for the first time in modern U.S. general election history, we he would have real choices for POTUS.

Sadly, I think it's too late to get on the ballots as an independent for both or at least Trump.

That's the most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard. Then no one would get 270 electoral votes and the teabagger house would choose Cruz to be president. A far right movement that can't win national elections would have successfully hijacked the government in your ridiculous scenario.

[Chinook]

That's the most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard. Then no one would get 270 electoral votes and the teabagger house would choose Cruz to be president. A far right movement that can't win national elections would have successfully hijacked the government in your ridiculous scenario.

We've talked about this before. The actual way the president gets picked is more complicated. One, because it would be the incoming house, not the current one. Two, it would be one vote per state, with the representatives having to decide collectively for their state's single vote. I actually have no idea who would win in such a case.

EDIT: Oh, lord, it's not close. Republicans would win 30-13 with seven swing states, three of whom are currently Republican. It would take some Compromise of 1872 stuff for the Democrates to win. Only good news is that it would probably end the Electoral College once and for all.

[baseline bum]

We've talked about this before. The actual way the president gets picked is more complicated. One, because it would be the incoming house, not the current one. Two, it would be one vote per state, with the representatives having to decide collectively for their state's single vote. I actually have no idea who would win in such a case.

Cruz would, there is no way the house would turn blue and it's full of teabaggers from safe districts.

[Chinook]

Cruz would, there is no way the house would turn blue and it's full of teabaggers from safe districts.

It wouldn't be enough for the House to turn blue. It'd have to turn blue in a way that rural states went for Democrats. This is like the worst tie-breaker ever.

[DMX7]

Cruz would, there is no way the house would turn blue and it's full of teabaggers from safe districts.

We don't even know that Cruz would be the republican nominee. He's also quite hated in Washington. Lindsey Graham joked about killing him on the senate floor and getting away with it.

[baseline bum]

It wouldn't be enough for the House to turn blue. It'd have to turn blue in a way that rural states went for Democrats. This is like the worst tie-breaker ever.

Which is why I hope there is rioting and Washington gets burned to the ground next time the house gets to pick a president, since it overwhelmingly favors conservative voters in small states by lumping large states into single votes.

[101A]

We've talked about this before. The actual way the president gets picked is more complicated. One, because it would be the incoming house, not the current one. Two, it would be one vote per state, with the representatives having to decide collectively for their state's single vote. I actually have no idea who would win in such a case.

EDIT: Oh, lord, it's not close. Republicans would win 30-13 with seven swing states, three of whom are currently Republican. It would take some Compromise of 1872 stuff for the Democrates to win. Only good news is that it would probably end the Electoral College once and for all.

Because constitutional amendments are so easy to pass.

[baseline bum]

We don't even know that Cruz would be the republican nominee. He's also quite hated in Washington. Lindsey Graham joked about killing him on the senate floor and getting away with it.

It would be political suicide for the party to completely disregard its voters the way they'd be doing by nominating anyone other than Cruz or Trump. If they do that the Republican party is done as we know it.

[baseline bum]

Because constitutional amendments are so easy to pass.

Or it could cause civil war and end the constitution.

[Chinook]

Because constitutional amendments are so easy to pass.

That's why the College is still around. If you had a brokered election in the modern era, you'd have enough unhappy people to get that 66 percent of Congress and 75 percent of states.

[DMX7]

It would be political suicide for the party to completely disregard its voters the way they'd be doing by nominating anyone other than Cruz or Trump. If they do that the Republican party is done as we know it.

Tell that to John Kasich. :lol

[baseline bum]

Tell that to John Kasich. :lol

I think Kasich is only in the game to try to keep Trump from getting 50% in New York, which would be a slam dunk for Trump if Cruz was his only competition. The Republicans are much better off running Cruz than Trump since Cruz isn't going to motivate minority voters to show up nearly as much as Trump will. A Cruz nomination gives them a much better chance of retaining control of the senate.

[Pelicans78]

I think Kasich is only in the game to try to keep Trump from getting 50% in New York, which would be a slam dunk for Trump if Cruz was his only competition. The Republicans are much better off running Cruz than Trump since Cruz isn't going to motivate minority voters to show up nearly as much as Trump will. A Cruz nomination gives them a much better chance of retaining control of the senate.

It's not about getting 50% in New York to sweep delegates. It's about getting 50% in each congressional district to sweep the delegates. Otherwise he splits delegates in each district to get the guy getting second.

[DMX7]

I think Kasich is only in the game to try to keep Trump from getting 50% in New York, which would be a slam dunk for Trump if Cruz was his only competition. The Republicans are much better off running Cruz than Trump since Cruz isn't going to motivate minority voters to show up nearly as much as Trump will. A Cruz nomination gives them a much better chance of retaining control of the senate.

He's running aggressive attack ads against Cruz in New York. I sincerely doubt he's in the race to just take one for the team. He's hoping for a brokered convention that he emerges from knowing both Trump and Cruz are disliked by the establishment.

[Blizzardwizard]

What you call "right wing assholes" are so far left that they walk in circles. Every union you have in the UK is run by Communist.

I guess you don't know what a communist state is.

[Blizzardwizard]

Do you think you have a shot at leaving the EU in the upcoming Brexit vote?

There's a definite chance, mostly because the pro-EU camp is spear-headed by the toothless Cameron, and the fear tactics of the anti-EU camp seemingly work on the closet racists in the country who see the question as nothing more than 'immigrants or no immigrants.'

I'd rather it didn't happen honestly, leaves Britain as nothing more than a right wing libertarian free-market play thing.

[Axl Rose]

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[DisAsTerBot]

lmao is m>s still hanging around here under his troll handles? Pathetic tbh imo fwiw

[Reck]

Bernie is holding a massive rally here in the Bronx. Holy shit, it's motherfucking huge. Looks like a sea of ants.

If he could get his rally people to actually vote, he'd win everything. These people just like to show up to his speeches and not vote..or cant.

I've met a handful of people who like and go to his rallies that aren't even American Citizens. LOL

[MultiTroll]

Can we all agree politicians are selfish dipsticks with zero genuine concern for John and Suzie Citizen?

[DMX7]

Can we all agree politicians are selfish dipsticks with zero genuine concern for John and Suzie Citizen?

I don't doubt Bernie's sincerity.

[MultiTroll]

I don't doubt Bernie's sincerity.
I agree that Bern out of all of them seems to be sincere.
He certainly brings up topics that the sell outs cringe to.
Like how the 1% phucks the 99.

[Nbadan]

I agree that Bern out of all of them seems to be sincere.
He certainly brings up topics that the sell outs cringe to.
Like how the 1% phucks the 99.

....and that is the main difference between Trump and Bern.....Bern talks the talk and walks the walk.....everything he says he will work for....Trump? Who knows? While its good that he isn't taking big money donations and isn't bound to any special interest, politically, he's the wildcard....

[boutons_deux]

Here's kind of cheating shit Bernie is succeeding against.

Published on Apr 12, 2016

Hot on the heels of the Republican situation in Colorado where Trump got more votes but Cruz took the state, we’re now learning that the Democratic establishment made some “mistakes” there as well.

The party establishment took one of Bernie’s delegates and sent it to Hillary.

They later called the Clinton campaign to advise them of the situation. They never called the Sanders campaign. He learned about it from a reporter. Ana Kasparian, John Iadarola (ThinkTank), and Jimmy Dore, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.

"Bernie Sanders easily won the Colorado caucus in March, but a mistake made by the Democratic Party awarded the Vermont senator one less delegate than he actually earned – and the party didn’t bother telling the Sanders campaign about the error...

Originally, it was projected that

Sanders – who won the Democratic caucus against Hillary Clinton by a tally of 60 percent to 40 percent – would earn 38 delegates compared to Clinton’s 28.

After tallying Clinton’s support from 10 Colorado superdelegates, the former secretary of state tied Sanders 38-38 in delegates.

If she won the support of the last two state superdelegates, Clinton could have actually won Colorado despite losing the primary vote by 20 points…

The counting error :lol was discovered by the Democrats about a week after the caucus, the Denver Post reported, yet the party did not announce the news to the public or the Sanders campaign.

The only people it did inform were in the Clinton camp.

The website featuring party results still shows the old, incorrect tallies from Denver County.”*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8uM4YEyu4

[DMX7]

vhMoEWgKyW4

[Reck]

vhMoEWgKyW4

:lmao Spike Lee.

Less than a month ago he was eating Hillary's shit. :lol celeb endorsements.

[Boogie Munster]

I'll be in town for something else but wanted to check out the rally Sunday at Prospect Park. Hope I'll even be able to get in with the looks of this rally.

[FkLA]

Bernie is holding a massive rally here in the Bronx. Holy shit, it's motherfucking huge. Looks like a sea of ants.

If he could get his rally people to actually vote, he'd win everything. These people just like to show up to his speeches and not vote..or cant.

I've met a handful of people who like and go to his rallies that aren't even American Citizens. LOL

The large majority of them vote. If there's something you can undoubtedly say it's that Bernie supporters are much more passionate than Shillary supporters. They're the same people that waited in line 6 hours in Arizona to vote for him. He does pretty well in day of voting, even in states he loses. Shillary has countered that by hitting up nursing homes and duping the low information senior citizens into early voting for her tbh.

[spurraider21]

The large majority of them vote. If there's something you can undoubtedly say it's that Bernie supporters are much more passionate than Shillary supporters. They're the same people that waited in line 6 hours in Arizona to vote for him. He does pretty well in day of voting, even in states he loses. Shillary has countered that by hitting up nursing homes and duping the low information senior citizens into early voting for her tbh.
i dno, Reck seems pretty passionate...

[Reck]

i dno, Reck seems pretty passionate...

Living rent free made easy.

[Reck]

http://bluenationreview.com/speaker-at-bernie-nyc-rally-refers-to-corporate-democratic-whores/

Sanders people have a surrogate problem. They're always saying the stupidest shit.

Amateurs.

[z0sa]

i dno, Reck seems pretty passionate...

:lmao

[Reck]

:lmao

So what do you think of his surrogates? Agree or disagree they need to vet who speaks before going out and embarrassing Bernie?

This is just one more thing he has to defend. Dollars to donuts this comes up in tonight's debate.

[z0sa]

This is just one more thing he has to defend.

:lol the irony

[Reck]

:lol the irony

What is? I could say the same about you and the Bernie bros. You're always semen shielding for the dude.

Suddenly is a one way street in which you can defend him to your heart content but when someone takes the opposite position is a no no. Lol retarded.

[z0sa]

What is? I could say the same about you and the Bernie bros. You're always semen shielding for the dude.

Suddenly is a one way street in which you can defend him to your heart content but when someone takes the opposite position is a no no. Lol retarded.

Swing and a miss.

[Reck]

Swing and a miss.

Not really. You just don't want to admit you're doing the same.

[Reck]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-superdelegates-idUSMTZSAPEC2TAP0RGD

Bernie supporters getting creepy and stalkish.

z0sa (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2052) your thoughts? Or are you going to keep ducking my questions? :lmao

[pgardn]

The large majority of them vote. If there's something you can undoubtedly say it's that Bernie supporters are much more passionate than Shillary supporters. They're the same people that waited in line 6 hours in Arizona to vote for him. He does pretty well in day of voting, even in states he loses. Shillary has countered that by hitting up nursing homes and duping the low information senior citizens into early voting for her tbh.

Like college kids can't be duped?

Feelin the burn definitely has the hipster vote. And it is very difficult not to like the guy because of the other 3 major candidates. So he is your safer vote when talking to a stranger. Burn is much easier to defend on a cursory level.

[boutons_deux]

Hillary Clinton Rakes in Verizon Cash While Bernie Sanders Supports Company’s Striking Workers

Verizon paid Hillary $225,000 for speech and poured money into Clinton Foundation. Executives give to her campaign

Hillary Clinton, a Wall Street-backed multimillionaire (http://fortune.com/2016/02/15/hillary-clinton-net-worth-finances/), served for six years on the board of directors of Walmart, the world’s largest company based on sales. She remained silent (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/clinton-remained-silent-wal-mart-fought-unions/story?id=4218509) at a time when the mega-corporation was viciously cracking down on workers’ attempts to unionize.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, has been unflinching in his support of the labor movement. Sanders has spoken passionately (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/13/bernies_big_day_with_nyc_unions_sanders_joins_veri zon_strike_picket_line_gets_endorsed_by_transit_un ion/) in support of striking Verizon workers on multiple occasions.

The Hillary Clinton campaign, meanwhile, has received tens of thousands of dollars from Verizon executives and lobbyists.

That’s not all. For a May 2013 speech, the corporation paid Clinton a whopping $225,000 honorarium, according to her tax records (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/documents/13/HRC_2013_Speeches_-_Tax_Return_Addendum.pdf).

Verizon has also given (https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%24100%2C001%20to%20%24250%2 C000&page=7) between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation, which investigative journalist Ken Silverstein has referred to as (https://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/) a “so-called charitable enterprise [that] has served as a vehicle to launder money and to enrich family friends.”

Moreover, the Clinton Foundation has partnered directly with Verizon, which is notorious for its vehement opposition to unions. The corporation is a partner in the Clinton Health Matters Initiative, and said it is “proud to partner with the Clinton Foundation.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/14/hillary-clinton-rakes-verizon-cash-while-bernie-sanders-supports-companys-striking

"on the same page" ?? :lol Hillary is moderate Repug.

[boutons_deux]

Why the Panama Papers Could Catapult Bernie Sanders to the White House

Bernie Sanders saw this coming from a mile away. On October 12, 2011, Sen. Sanders took the Senate floor to denounce the Panama trade pact, shooting down the conventional arguments (http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4587446/bernie-panama-trade-deal) in favor of the deal.

“Panama’s entire economic output is only $26.7 billion per year, or about two-tenths of one percent of the US economy,” Sanders said at the beginning of his speech. “No one can legitimately claim that approving this free trade agreement will significantly increase American jobs.”

Then, Sanders warned of the widespread corruption that would follow should the pact become official.


“Panama is a world leader when it comes to allowing wealthy Americans and large corporations to evade US taxes by stashing their cash in offshore tax havens.

The Panama free trade agreement will make this bad situation much worse.

Each and every year, the wealthiest people in this country and the largest corporations evade about $100 billion in taxes through abusive and illegal offshore tax havens in Panama and in other countries.”


As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was on the complete opposite side of the issue.

In an official statement (https://blogs.state.gov/stories/2011/10/13/passage-colombia-panama-and-south-korea-trade-agreements) issued by the US Department of State on October 13, 2011 (one day after Sanders’ floor address), Clinton congratulated President Obama for passing the trade pact, citing the very same job creation arguments Sen. Sanders shot down a day earlier. Clinton made no mention of Panama’s reputation as a tax haven, and even invoked “working families” in her statement: :lol

“These initiatives are the leading edge of a job-creating trade agenda that will open markets, level the playing field for our businesses and workers, and champion America’s working families in an age of tough global competition. They deserve the historic and widespread support they received in Congress tonight. We will continue our work to rebuild an American consensus on trade.” :lol


http://usuncut.com/politics/panama-papers-bernie-sanders-white-house/ (http://usuncut.com/politics/panama-papers-bernie-sanders-white-house/)

[boutons_deux]

Bernie Sanders Wins TIME 100 Reader Poll

http://time.com/4292589/bernie-sanders-time-100-poll-winner/

Bernie Sanders has won the Time Magazine reader poll of who should appear on its annual list of the 100 most influential people in the world -- topping not only Hillary Clinton (he received more than 3 times as many votes as she did), but also President Obama, Pope Francis, Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyi, Pakistani activist Malala Yousafzai, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, and Leonardo DiCaprio. -- Reich/FB

[hater]

:lmao Reck getting wrecked what's new :lol

[z0sa]

Hillary Clinton Rakes in Verizon Cash While Bernie Sanders Supports Company’s Striking Workers

Verizon paid Hillary $225,000 for speech and poured money into Clinton Foundation. Executives give to her campaign

Hillary Clinton, a Wall Street-backed multimillionaire (http://fortune.com/2016/02/15/hillary-clinton-net-worth-finances/), served for six years on the board of directors of Walmart, the world’s largest company based on sales. She remained silent (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/clinton-remained-silent-wal-mart-fought-unions/story?id=4218509) at a time when the mega-corporation was viciously cracking down on workers’ attempts to unionize.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, has been unflinching in his support of the labor movement. Sanders has spoken passionately (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/13/bernies_big_day_with_nyc_unions_sanders_joins_veri zon_strike_picket_line_gets_endorsed_by_transit_un ion/) in support of striking Verizon workers on multiple occasions.

The Hillary Clinton campaign, meanwhile, has received tens of thousands of dollars from Verizon executives and lobbyists.

That’s not all. For a May 2013 speech, the corporation paid Clinton a whopping $225,000 honorarium, according to her tax records (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/documents/13/HRC_2013_Speeches_-_Tax_Return_Addendum.pdf).

Verizon has also given (https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%24100%2C001%20to%20%24250%2 C000&page=7) between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation, which investigative journalist Ken Silverstein has referred to as (https://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/) a “so-called charitable enterprise [that] has served as a vehicle to launder money and to enrich family friends.”

Moreover, the Clinton Foundation has partnered directly with Verizon, which is notorious for its vehement opposition to unions. The corporation is a partner in the Clinton Health Matters Initiative, and said it is “proud to partner with the Clinton Foundation.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/14/hillary-clinton-rakes-verizon-cash-while-bernie-sanders-supports-companys-striking

"on the same page" ?? :lol Hillary is moderate Repug.




Just another of the literally 100 (plus) more things than Bernie Hillary supporters have to defend before they can even attempt to attack Bernie :lol

[DMX7]

Is Hillary going to blame gun violence in New York on Vermont in tonight's debate? Did you see the look in her eyes and the tone of her voice when she told everyone Vermont is to blame? :lol

Now she is resorting to fear-mongering. Bernie is head and shoulder better than her.

[Reck]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/14/politics/bernie-sanders-paul-song-democratic-whore/index.html

Good on Bernie.

[DMX7]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/14/politics/bernie-sanders-paul-song-democratic-whore/index.html

Good on Bernie.

He had to. The point was still made though.

[Reck]

He had to. The point was still made though.

But it goes back to what I posted last night that he would have to defend this. It's not the first time one of his surrogates bits more than they can chew. Time to rein them in abit. Vet who gets to speak.

[Nbadan]

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll released Thursday shows Bernie Sanders beating Hillary Clinton by one point with registered Democratic voters.


The survey of 1,680 registered voters, 635 of whom identified as Democrats, was conducted between April 9 and April 13. Among all Democrats and Democratic-leaning independent voters, Bernie Sanders leads Hillary Clinton by a 47-42 margin, with 11 percent of respondents saying they wouldn’t vote for either candidate. Sanders beats Clinton by a narrow margin of 49-48 among registered Democrats, and he demolishes Clinton by 16 points among self-identified independents. The poll’s margin of error is 2.7 percent.

Among all respondents, 36 percent identify as Democrats, 28 percent affiliate with the Republican Party, and 12 percent listed themselves as independents, with 9 percent leaning toward Democrats, 5 percent toward Republican, and 7 percent favoring a third party. Finally, only 2 percent of those surveyed said they were unsure of their party affiliation.

This latest poll is the third to show Sanders leading Clinton this month. A poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Atlantic between March 30 and April 3 showed Sanders beating Clinton by one point, along with a McClatchy/Marist poll conducted between March 29 and March 31 that had Sanders up by two points.

Read more: http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-leads-new-national-poll/

Doubtful........but who knows?

[Reck]

^ That's talking about nationally though. There have been a few polls out that show him ahead by 1 or 2 points. Within the margin of error.

Btw, how does this come into play? If someone is leading nationally, what exactly does this do for you in terms of winning the democratic nomination?

[boutons_deux]

The Dem lie is that Bernie is unelectable.

Of course, polls are wonderfully useless as many people refuse to particpate, so recent polls before recent elections have been badly inaccurate.

Maybe Bernie is even MORE electable than is indicated.

[MultiTroll]

A lot of the mainstream outlets are claiming Shillary won last nights debate.
Not by a ton, but they keep the narrative that she came across as the Skank with a Plan whereas Bernie talks about problems but has not presented workable solutions.

Anyone watch and have a view?

[Reck]

A lot of the mainstream outlets are claiming Shillary won last nights debate.
Not by a ton, but they keep the narrative that she came across as the Skank with a Plan whereas Bernie talks about problems but has not presented workable solutions.

Anyone watch and have a view?

I thought they both had their moments. Overall though I think he did better but did either changed hearts and mind? Nah.

[FkLA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC155qJYKLc&feature=youtu.be&t=2m20s

the great Bernard Sanders :worthy: :worthy:

Love how the crowd started chanting Bernie and then laughed at her before she started her closing statement. :lol

[gambit1990]

i think bernie will lose new york because independents can't vote. and you had to change your party affiliation back in october i think. primaries should be open.

[Reck]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/04/14/3769498/independent-voters-open-primaries-new-york/

27% are being left out. Ouch.

Now you cant assume all of those would vote strictly for Bernie but it raises questions of how close this primary would be if it was open.

But cant say I feel sorry for them either. People should be aware of these things well in advance. The other point I would make is, serves you right for not aligning yourself with a party to begin with? Independents and green party members are outsiders on contests that have to do with either party A (Democrats) or Party B (Republicans) so who do you really blame here.

[Nbadan]

Source: Associated Press
@AP: BREAKING: Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders tells AP he met with Pope Francis https://t.co/vqXeuFJzGT/s/Etnm
Bernie Sanders says he met with Pope Francis.
BY KEN THOMAS
APR. 16, 2016 3:46 AM EDT


ROME (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says in an interview with The Associated Press that he met with Pope Francis.

Sanders says the meeting took place Saturday morning before the pope left for his one-day visit to Greece. He says he was honored by the meeting, and that he told the pope he appreciated the message that he is sending the world about the need to inject morality and justice into the world economy. Sanders says it's a message he has been sending as well.

Sanders traveled to Rome to attend a Vatican conference on economic inequality and climate change. He is an admirer of the pope and has praised the pope's views on poverty and the environment.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/51a3860bb14940608f9f6539bd441f4e/bernie-sanders-says-he-met-pope-francis

Remember this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbuVRoaZq0

What other sign do you independents need? Baseball sized hail?

[DMX7]

Sanders is an underrated intellect. This whole concept of a "moral economy" is something I never even thought about.

[z0sa]

Sanders is an underrated intellect. This whole concept of a "moral economy" is something I never even thought about.

Truth. In a couple of centuries (maybe less), everyone will be looking at guys like him as visionaries.

[hater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC155qJYKLc&feature=youtu.be&t=2m20s

the great Bernard Sanders :worthy: :worthy:

Love how the crowd started chanting Bernie and then laughed at her before she started her closing statement. :lol


Didn't see them laughing at the ****. But still :lol shillary

[boutons_deux]

Truth. In a couple of centuries (maybe less), everyone will be looking at guys like him as visionaries.

His "vision" aligns the the FFs and their documents. They knew their enterprise was at risk from BigCorp, they knew primogeniture could not be permitted (inequality, lack of opportuity), etc. Nothing radical about Bernie's policies, radical only when compared to the radical shitpile the VRWC/BigCorp has forced upon America, the very shitpile, the historical mean (of a wealthy, powerful few) that the FFs were trying preempt.

[MultiTroll]

"But only registered Democrats can vote in Tuesday's primary"
It is figured Bernie will get burned out of at least 50,000 votes.

Who in the f made up these rules? :rolleyes

And the *registering* closed 6 months ago.

[Pelicans78]

Shouldn't registered Democrats vote in a Democrat primary?

[Will Hunting]

If you want to vote in the Democratic primary then register as a fucking Democrat. These are most likely the type of people who register as an independent because they think it makes them look "above" or "smarter than" American politics when all it really does is stop them from voting in the primary.

[Reck]

If you want to vote in the Democratic primary then register as a fucking Democrat. These are most likely the type of people who register as an independent because they think it makes them look "above" or "smarter than" American politics when all it really does is stop them from voting in the primary.

Bingo.

These are the fags that have been independents or some other group like the green party all their life (:lol) and now are crying because they cant vote. :cry

I think you're also dead on on the "I'm smarter than you" part. These people have a superior complex. I know a few.

[Shastafarian]

If you want to vote in the Democratic primary then register as a fucking Democrat. These are most likely the type of people who register as an independent because they think it makes them look "above" or "smarter than" American politics when all it really does is stop them from voting in the primary.

The problem with this idea is that states determine the deadline for changing party affiliation. For example, the deadline to change your party in New York was in OCTOBER. I'd like to hear some rationale on why deadlines to change party affiliation need to exist so far in advance. Wisconsin, a state that has done a lot to suppress voting, allows day-of registration. I don't hear people on the left decrying that policy.

[Reck]

The problem with this idea is that states determine the deadline for changing party affiliation. For example, the deadline to change your party in New York was in OCTOBER.

This is the only questionable thing for me.

I would like to know if this was how it's always been or if this was the case on the last cycle as well. If so, then the outcry is ridiculous. If this was something that's always been then the only reason you're mad is because you cant vote for savior Bernie.

People like to complain when things dont align with what's good for them. Bernie and his people are complaining about closed primaries which I find ironic since he has been benefiting from open primaries and caucuses. Two things that Hillary gets owned at. Didn't see any complaining when he was winning non stop and her losing because of it.

Now we have a host of closed primaries and you raise issues with how things are done? Ummm

Everyone knew the deal going into this so complaining about this now its really pathetic.

[Shastafarian]

This is the only questionable thing for me.

I would like to know if this was how it's always been or if this was the case on the last cycle as well. If so, then the outcry is ridiculous. If this was something that's always been then the only reason you're mad is because you cant vote for savior Bernie. Two things. I don't live in New York and how long it has been in place is irrelevant if you don't agree with the policy itself.


People like to complain when things dont align with what's good for them.Irony


Bernie and his people are complaining about closed primaries which I find ironic since he has been benefiting from open primaries and caucuses. Two things that Hillary gets owned at. Didn't see any complaining when he was winning non stop and her losing because of it.That is not irony.


Now we have a host of closed primaries and you raise issues with how things are done? Ummm

Everyone knew the deal going into this so complaining about this now its really pathetic.How is it pathetic to want elections to be fair and without disenfranchisement? And the issue of deadlines is not the same as arguing for all open primaries.

[Reck]

How is it pathetic to want elections to be fair and without disenfranchisement? And the issue of deadlines is not the same as arguing for all open primaries.

The reason why they have closed primaries is to prevent cross overs and have a rival oponent benefiting from the open voting. For instance back in Michigan, a lot of democrats crossed over to the republican side so they can vote against Trump.

The only people who dont get to vote on closed primaries are the ones without a party. If you are a democrat or republican, you will vote in your respective side. If you are an independent and have no party, tough fucking luck.

Learn to play by the rules. If you want to be a badass outsider without an affiliation, expect to be treated just like one.

[Shastafarian]

The reason why they have closed primaries is to prevent cross overs and have a rival oponent benefiting from the open voting. For instance back in Michigan, a lot of democrats crossed over to the republican side so they can vote against Trump.

The only people who dont get to vote on closed primaries are the ones without a party. If you are a democrat or republican, you will vote in your respective side. If you are an independent and have no party, tough fucking luck.

Learn to play by the rules. If you want to be a badass outsider without an affiliation, expect to be treated just like one.

Again, you're talking about open primaries. I'm talking about deadlines that precede an election by several months. And for the record I would like to see open primaries. I'm not a huge fan of restricting voting in any sense. People should be allowed to use their vote how they see fit.

[Reck]

Again, you're talking about open primaries. I'm talking about deadlines that precede an election by several months. And for the record I would like to see open primaries. I'm not a huge fan of restricting voting in any sense. People should be allowed to use their vote how they see fit.

That is also one of my concerns which I'd like to know more about how that gets to happen.

Apparently for new voters they had to do it by March but if you were an independent or wanted to switch to democrat you had to do in back in October. Insanely complicated process.

[Shastafarian]

That is also one of my concerns which I'd like to know more about how that gets to happen.

Apparently for new voters they had to do it by March but if you were an independent or wanted to switch to democrat you had to do in back in October. Insanely complicated process.Exactly. I saw an estimate that as many as 3 million people wouldn't be allowed to vote in NY on Tuesday because of said process.

[russellgoat]

http://www.science20.com/jenny_splitter/bernie_sanders_isnt_proscience_and_neither_are_mos t_progressives-167253

[spurraider21]

Sanders is an underrated intellect. This whole concept of a "moral economy" is something I never even thought about.
eh, to a degree he just parrots undergrad level marxism lectures... its just a matter of time until he starts calling the american people the proletariat

[boutons_deux]

Something Is Going Seriously Wrong with New York Voter Registrations

New York’s Democratic primary is starting to look an awful lot like the Arizona primary.
Hundreds of voters, most of them registered with the Democratic Party, are filing a class-action lawsuit (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876) against the New York State Board of Elections on Monday morning, claiming their voter registration was changed to “independent” or “no affiliation” without their consent.
In closed primary states like New York, voters who are not registered as Democrats or Republicans can’t vote in those primaries. Voters identifying as independents wishing to vote in the Democratic primary had to change their registration to Democrat by October of 2015 — the earliest registration deadline in the country (http://gothamist.com/2015/10/06/democracy_bureacracy.php).

This is almost exactly what happened in Arizona, when voters who had been eager to vote in the Democratic primary learned upon arrival to their designated polling place that their registration had been changed, making them ineligible to vote (http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/).

New York voters angry about the mysterious change in their party affiliation have taken to a Facebook group titled “Voters whose registration was changed without their knowledge in NY (https://www.facebook.com/groups/518955314959236/)” to share their horror stories. Shelly Berry discovered that someone had changed her voter registration in 2012, even forging her signature on the document:

The party affiliation barrier these voters are struggling with will undoubtedly play a role in the New York primary on Tuesday. Some advocates are calling for New York to open its primary to independent voters to avoid disenfranchising thousands of voters.

Over 7,000 people (http://www.openprimaries.org/states_new_york) have signed a petition calling on U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to urge the New York Democratic Party to open its primary up to independent voters. Schumer himself wrote an op-ed (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/opinion/charles-schumer-adopt-the-open-primary.html?_r=0) in the New York Times calling for primary reform in 2014.

“If the primary were open, this would be a non-issue for thousands of registered voters that have had this happen to them,” said Shyla Nelson, spokeswoman for Election Justice U.S.A. in an interview with the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876). “By making the primary open, it eliminates one of the most vexing problems New Yorkers have dealt with in this primary season.”

http://usuncut.com/politics/something-amiss-new-york/

[boutons_deux]

eh, to a degree he just parrots undergrad level marxism lectures... its just a matter of time until he starts calling the american people the proletariat

This is a terrible unfair question, but which of Bernie's points, policies are Marxist or even socialist?

[Reck]

Something Is Going Seriously Wrong with New York Voter Registrations

New York’s Democratic primary is starting to look an awful lot like the Arizona primary.
Hundreds of voters, most of them registered with the Democratic Party, are filing a class-action lawsuit (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876) against the New York State Board of Elections on Monday morning, claiming their voter registration was changed to “independent” or “no affiliation” without their consent.
In closed primary states like New York, voters who are not registered as Democrats or Republicans can’t vote in those primaries. Voters identifying as independents wishing to vote in the Democratic primary had to change their registration to Democrat by October of 2015 — the earliest registration deadline in the country (http://gothamist.com/2015/10/06/democracy_bureacracy.php).

This is almost exactly what happened in Arizona, when voters who had been eager to vote in the Democratic primary learned upon arrival to their designated polling place that their registration had been changed, making them ineligible to vote (http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/).

New York voters angry about the mysterious change in their party affiliation have taken to a Facebook group titled “Voters whose registration was changed without their knowledge in NY (https://www.facebook.com/groups/518955314959236/)” to share their horror stories. Shelly Berry discovered that someone had changed her voter registration in 2012, even forging her signature on the document:

The party affiliation barrier these voters are struggling with will undoubtedly play a role in the New York primary on Tuesday. Some advocates are calling for New York to open its primary to independent voters to avoid disenfranchising thousands of voters.

Over 7,000 people (http://www.openprimaries.org/states_new_york) have signed a petition calling on U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to urge the New York Democratic Party to open its primary up to independent voters. Schumer himself wrote an op-ed (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/opinion/charles-schumer-adopt-the-open-primary.html?_r=0) in the New York Times calling for primary reform in 2014.

“If the primary were open, this would be a non-issue for thousands of registered voters that have had this happen to them,” said Shyla Nelson, spokeswoman for Election Justice U.S.A. in an interview with the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876). “By making the primary open, it eliminates one of the most vexing problems New Yorkers have dealt with in this primary season.”

http://usuncut.com/politics/something-amiss-new-york/




Dude here we go again with the voter suppression bullshit. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Livin La Vida Bubbly

Wall Street’s View Of Itself In Bernie Sanders’ Campaign: Maligned, Misunderstood

"I, frankly, despise him," said Michael Bachner, 59, a criminal justice attorney whose clients include Wall Street investors.

There are people in the financial industry "who work their tails off to have a legitimate life and went to great schools to try to do great things and support charitable causes and do great things with their money, and he is calling them all corrupt." :lol

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wall-streets-view-bernie-sanders-campaign-maligned-misunderstood/

Yep, BigFinance isn't corrupt. That's why BigFinance has settled for $10Bs in fines, penalties, after being totally bankrupt.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://i.imgur.com/ZTiOdZs.jpg

[boutons_deux]

An establishment (left or right) will never yield power without a fight. That's what we're seeing now.

Hillary owns the NY Dem machinery. 100s if not 1000s of erroneous or forged Dem registrations are being discovered, give rise to a class action suit. Those registrations weren't accidents. And when they are executed in low-population counties, they can throw the results.

And when the power is so imbalanced as it is kleptocratic, plutocratic, extreme-inequality America, any battels, war by the low-power Human-Americans is nearly hopeless.

aka, America is fucked and unfuckable.

[Reck]

LOL queen cersei.

[boutons_deux]

Why Republicans are eager to intervene in the Democratic race

Bloomberg Politics reported yesterday (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-18/despite-polls-republicans-see-sanders-as-an-easier-opponent) that Republican operatives “are chomping at the bit to face Sanders,” because they believe it would be easy to change the trajectory of those polls.

“Republicans are being nice to Bernie Sanders because we like the thought of running against a socialist. But if he were to win the nomination the knives would come out for Bernie pretty quick,” said Ryan Williams, a former spokesman for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney’s campaign. “There’s no mystery what the attack on him would be. Bernie Sanders is literally a card carrying socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union. There’d be hundreds of millions of dollars in Republican ads showing hammers and sickles and Soviet Union flags in front of Bernie Sanders.”

“Hillary Clinton is a much more centrist candidate in comparison,” Williams said, and she would have a better chance of winning over moderate and undecided voters, despite numerous polls showing that many Americans, even in the Democratic Party, don’t view her as honest and trustworthy. “Bernie’s numbers are better than hers right now because she’s been in the political arena for 30 years getting beat up,” he said.


Former RNC spokesperson Doug Heye added that Republicans look at some of Sanders’ success “with bemusement,” because they think it would be easy to define Sanders as “out of the mainstream.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-republicans-are-eager-intervene-the-democratic-race?cid=sm_fb_maddow

:lol Repug "mainstream" MISgovernance has Repug Congress/SCOTUS ratings below dogshit.

[boutons_deux]

Democracy in That Shining Light on a Hill

New York’s Primary Is a Total Disaster

The New York primary is already rife with complaints of voter disenfranchisement in at least two different New York City boroughs.

The Cooper Park House polling location in Brooklyn’s Greenpoint neighborhood was supposed to open at 6 a.m., but the site remained closed for hours, preventing early morning voters trying to cast their ballot before work hours from voting.

According to Twitter user@KeithRebecca (https://twitter.com/KeithRebecca/status/722394150834991104), voters had been waiting outside for more than two hours for poll workers to open the doors.

@Kedesai382 (http://twitter.com/kedesai382), who tried to vote in the early morning hours at Brooklyn’s Atlantic Terminal Senior Citizen Center, also reported that her polling station was closed nearly two hours after voting officially began.

Ben Kesselman of FiveThirtyEight.com also confirmed a delay in opening at his poll location.

At another Brooklyn polling station, a voter recorded poll worker Vitaliy Gazvants informing voters that both voting machines at the precinct were down, and that voters would have to cast paper ballots to be fed into a machine later on.

The precinct was originally supposed to have four voting machines, but the only two machines at the precinct were malfunctioning.

At one point, a man is heard telling the poll worker, “A piece of paper! You have to trust that somebody is going to enter it correctly.”

“It’s a recipe for disaster,” George Mack, who voted for Hillary Clinton, told the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-primary-voters-outraged-broken-machines-late-polls-article-1.2606810). “Somebody at the end of the day is gonna feed [the ballots] through a machine? I don’t have confidence in that.”

According to the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-primary-voters-outraged-broken-machines-late-polls-article-1.2606810), Queens voters also faced problematic voting machines at the P.S. 52 precinct in the Springfield Gardens neighborhood.

Queens Democrat George Mack told the News that he and approximately 50 other voters were told that all three of the precinct’s voting machines weren’t in working order and that they should fill out paper ballots as well.

These irregularities come on top of the news that approximately 126,000 voters were purged from the rolls in Kings County, which houses Brooklyn.

As US Uncut reported this morning, Mayor Bill de Blasio is demanding an explanation (http://usuncut.com/politics/nyc-mayor-responds-to-brooklyn-voter-purge/) from the New York City Board of Elections as to why so many Democrats in the state’s most Democratic-leaning county were taken off the voter rolls.

The state agency overseeing elections has yet to provide a definitive explanation for the purge.

Other irregularities plaguing the New York primary include the changing of voters’ party affiliation without their consent, even apparent forged signatures (http://usuncut.com/politics/something-amiss-new-york/) on forms changing party affiliation from “Democrat” to “Other” or “Republican.”

Because New York is a closed primary state, these voters are unable to cast their ballots in today’s primary, despite being previously registered as Democrats.

Other strange irregularities and inconsistencies have been reported, including this anecdote shared by Shaun King, noted activist and reporter with the New York Daily News.

http://usuncut.com/politics/new-york-primary-disaster/

[DMX7]

Sanders is toast in NY.

[CosmicCowboy]

Bernie getting Berned bigtime.

[boutons_deux]

Just wait for november when the Repug candidate will lose by 15+ points.

Hillary owns the NY Dem machine.

NY is closed primary. Independents would probably put Bernie over the top.

[Reck]

Sanders is toast in NY.


Bernie getting Berned bigtime.

Where are you guys getting this indication? Any exit polls out already?

[boutons_deux]

Surprise! Author of viral ‘Becoming Anti-Bernie’ piece is corporate lawyer who defends hedge funds
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/surprise-author-of-viral-becoming-anti-bernie-piece-is-corporate-lawyer-who-defends-hedge-funds/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

After BigFinance made her and Slick Willie wealthy, she wouldn't dare touch carried interest.

[boutons_deux]

New York’s Mayor Responds as Brooklyn Voter Purge Doubles to 126,000

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is demanding an explanation from the city’s Board of Elections after the purge of registered Democrats in Brooklyn has doubled from 63,000 to 126,000.

As US Uncut previously reported, Kings County, where Brooklyn is located, has seen a 7 percent drop (http://usuncut.com/politics/new-york-brooklyn-voter-purge/) in the number of registered Democratic voters between November 2015 and April 2016. But a new investigation by WNYC (http://www.wnyc.org/story/de-blasio-demands-explanation-boe-drops-126000-brooklyn-democrats/) has revealed that the New York City Board of Elections actually purged 126,000 voters in that time period — a 14 percent drop in 5 months. Now, Mayor de Blasio is demanding to know why there was such a precipitous drop in registered voters just before the primary.

“This number surprises me,” de Blasio told WNYC. “I admit that Brooklyn has had a lot of transient population – that’s obvious. Lot of people moving in, lot of people moving out. That might account for some of it. But I’m confused since so many people have moved in, that the number would move that much in the negative direction.”

Kings County was just one of seven (http://www.wnyc.org/story/democratic-voter-rolls-drop-more-60000-brooklyn-presidential-primary/) counties, out of a total of 63, where the number of registered Democrats fell, while registration increased in all other 56 counties. This is particularly odd, since Brooklyn — the home of Bernie Sanders, as well as the home of Hillary Clinton’s campaign headquarters — is a hotbed of political activity.

The New York City Board of Elections claims the number is explained by 12,000 voters moving out of the borough, 44,000 voters moved from “active” to “inactive” voter lists (by having not voted in four years or more), and 70,000 voters being taken off the “inactive” list. Michael Ryan, executive director of the city Board of Elections, said the reason Kings County has such a dramatic drop in the number of registered voters is due to election officials in Brooklyn being six months to a year behind (http://www.wnyc.org/story/de-blasio-demands-explanation-boe-drops-126000-brooklyn-democrats/) updating voter rolls, due to elections.

“When there is an election event, work stops getting done,” Ryan told WNYC.

A New York voter has launched a petition (http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/ny-board-of-elections?source=c.em&r_by=15588587) on MoveOn.org demanding the New York State Board of Elections investigate the voter purge. As of this writing, it has almost 30,000 signatures.

http://usuncut.com/politics/nyc-mayor-responds-to-brooklyn-voter-purge/

Hillary's NY machine and DNC doing work.

[Reck]

Hillary's NY machine and DNC doing work.





Are you retarded? This hurts her more so than it hurts Bernie. This aren't independents, they are actual democrats.

[CosmicCowboy]

Where are you guys getting this indication? Any exit polls out already?

Exit polls are certainly leaning Clinton. Bernie outspent her 2 to 1 and is already acknowledging he will probably lose New York

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq54jb_5WCI

[z0sa]

Are you retarded? This hurts her more so than it hurts Bernie. This aren't independents, they are actual democrats.

Lol this is the primary, not the general, which means it is very very good for Clinton, as most of Bernies supporters come from people who made up their minds much more recently. Clinton wants exactly what you just said, low voter turnout of all partyliners like yourself who knew they were going to vote her in 10 months ago.

Dems cant really talk about voter disenfranchising to republicans the same way again after this, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Lol this is the primary, not the general, which means it is very very good for Clinton, as most of Bernies supporters come from people who made up their minds much more recently. Clinton wants exactly what you just said, low voter turnout of all partyliners like yourself who knew they were going to vote her in 10 months ago.

Dems cant really talk about voter disenfranchising to republicans the same way again after this, tbh.
:lol they will though

[z0sa]

:lol they will though

lol so true, and will explain it away by saying the repub is policy, or much more widespread, etc as if that reprieves them of all guilt

[DMX7]

I was a proud lifelong democrat until this primary. Ask yourself this -- who would FDR, our greatest democratic president, vote for? Anyone seriously think it would be Hillary? :lol

[DMX7]

Just wait for november when the Repug candidate will lose by 15+ points.

Hillary owns the NY Dem machine.

NY is closed primary. Independents would probably put Bernie over the top.

Not only that, but registration ended so early that it hurt Bernie's chances to get more people who might not have originally intended to vote (like young people) to vote.

[SnakeBoy]

Bye Bye Bernie

[SnakeBoy]

Bernie ditched his press corp and and took an unscheduled flight back to Vermont to "recharge".

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq54jb_5WCI

[z0sa]

Not only that, but registration ended so early that it hurt Bernie's chances to get more people who might not have originally intended to vote (like young people) to vote.

That's way way worse than the 125k having their status altered (though still extraordi arily bad in its own right). Hillary had this state from day 1 thanks to purposeful and intentional voter disenfranchisement.

[Reck]

Has it always been like this? Have you had to registered as early as October in elections past?

I do know that this only affected independents only. If you are a new voter you could have registered as late as March 25th of this year. If you are a new voter that wanted to get involved in this election and still was late then that was entirely your fault.

I get that independents wanted to vote and all but being that this state has been closed primaries for years I don't know why they're whining now. if you want to vote, be a democrat or republican because let's not forget folks, the republicans have the SAME exact rules.

So who takes blame for that? I supposed the DNC as well?

Now that 126k people who got purged, that's a whole other issue and I hope that gets sorted quick.

[rmt]

The early registering must be a New York thing. 2 of Trump's kids couldn't vote for him because they didn't switch from Independent to Republican early enough.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol like Bernie was an actual Democrat

[boutons_deux]

"Actual Democrats", the establishment Dems, are the problem, quite content to watch passively as Repugs fuck up the country.

The establishment, left or right, is too powerful to overcome, or even modify.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

Hillary, totally compromised, will do nothing but manage the decline, while not stopping, if not acquiescing to, the Repugs' destructiveness.

[hater]

Lol like Bernie was an actual Democrat

Lol like Shillary was an actual Democrat and not a neocon shil

[DMX7]

Lol like Bernie was an actual Democrat

Bernie is in like lockstep with where FDR was and where Democrats should be today. Instead the democratic party has been taken over by big money and corporatists.

If you told me most of Hillary's positions 25 years ago, I would have guessed she was a George H.W. Bush supporter except more hawkish than him.

[FkLA]

Smh this is like a fucking movie. The general public is voting for a bought snake over a far superior candidate who's an honest, once in a generation politician. Then on the other end we have a troll. Idiocracy.

[z0sa]

Lol like Bernie was an actual Democrat

Because voter disenfranchisement against the people who wont vote for your cadidate and voting a straight ticket is what its all about, am i right?

Lol at the chimp brained masses of Hillary supporters.

[Nbadan]

http://i.imgur.com/m7w5vPk.png
http://i.imgur.com/FOCCQu4.jpg

[baseline bum]

http://i.imgur.com/m7w5vPk.png
http://i.imgur.com/FOCCQu4.jpg

If we elected by who won more counties Ted Cruz would win the presidency in a landslide.

[baseline bum]

Bernie is in like lockstep with where FDR was and where Democrats should be today. Instead the democratic party has been taken over by big money and corporatists.

If you told me most of Hillary's positions 25 years ago, I would have guessed she was a George H.W. Bush supporter except more hawkish than him.

I was hoping Obama would be more FDR in 2008, but he turned out more Clinton. What a wasted opportunity for the party.

[Nbadan]

If we elected by who won more counties Ted Cruz would win the presidency in a landslide.

New York City....keeping NY blue! Gonna be hard for the GOP to win there in the Generals...

Meanwhile...Bernie hopes lay on turning the Supers....good luck with that without an indictment (not likely)


Mark Longabaugh, a top aide to the senator, told The Huffington Post that Sanders is prepared to stay in the race even if it becomes clear that Clinton has a majority of the pledged delegates and an insurmountable lead after the final primary on June 7.

The strategy outlined by Longabaugh echoed the case made the night before by Sanders' campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, who told MSNBC that the campaign will try to flip superdelegates away from Clinton before the convention. Neither candidate, Longabaugh argued, will have enough pledged delegates to secure the presidential nomination without the help of superdelegates. The latter officials will then have to decide which candidate gives the party the best shot to win in November. Sanders and his aides believe they have the better case.

* * *
A Democratic candidate needs 2,383 total delegates to win the party's nomination. Clinton currently leads Sanders 1,428 to 1,151 among pledged delegates. A source inside the Sanders campaign said they expect to close that gap with gains in states like Kentucky, Indiana, West Virginia and Oregon. They anticipate that Clinton will fall short of the needed total by anywhere from 262 to 360 pledged delegates.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-superdelegate-plan-puts-his-progressive-base-in-a-bind/ar-BBs2vyc?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

[MultiTroll]

Who tf made up this "SuperDelegate" arrangement scam?
Sounds like the pigs on Animal Farm who just started selfishly making up rules to benefit only themselves as they went along.

[Reck]

New York City....keeping NY blue! Gonna be hard for the GOP to win there in the Generals...

Meanwhile...Bernie hopes lay on turning the Supers....good luck with that without an indictment (not likely)



Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-superdelegate-plan-puts-his-progressive-base-in-a-bind/ar-BBs2vyc?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Imo, he's using the superdelegates as an excuse but what they're really hoping is an indictement soon.

There is no feasible way to turn all 400+ supedelegates she already has. Let's be generous and say he convinces half of them. That is still too little.

I think staying all the way until june is a great idea because you just dont know what the FBI is going to do at this point. Bernie is thinking.

[Nbadan]

Gotta give it to the Sanders campaign for their Anti-Clinton tenacity...but really.....stop already...


https://s3.amazonaws.com/img.ultrasignup.com/a4496036-5f58-450a-876d-5a21b33dbc95.jpg
"Everything is fine....we're going to flip the supers any day now!"

[gambit1990]

i think it's over.

i really want to be wrong.

if primaries were open, it'd be a whole different story...

[spurraider21]

lol this "sanders wins even when he loses" bullshit got old a long time ago

[DMX7]

Bernie Sanders: 'Poor People Don't Vote...That's Just a Fact'

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-poor-people-don-t-vote-s-just-fact-n561051

[DMX7]

lol this "sanders wins even when he loses" bullshit got old a long time ago

Yeah, he's not Obi-wan Kenobi.

[Reck]

Bernie Sanders: 'Poor People Don't Vote...That's Just a Fact'

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-poor-people-don-t-vote-s-just-fact-n561051

Not sure if true but this is the kind mistesteps that has him going backwards instead of forward.

He made similar remarks about people in the south. He alienated the blacks just when supposely Hillary was losing their support.

By tomorrow night when people watch his latest interview people are going to be like wtf man.

Sanders is just throwing shit at the wall and hoping some stick. Sad

[DMX7]

Not sure if true but this is the kind mistesteps that has him going backwards instead of forward.

He made similar remarks about people in the south. He alienated the blacks just when supposely Hillary was losing their support.

By tomorrow night when people watch his latest interview people are going to be like wtf man.

Sanders is just throwing shit at the wall and hoping some stick. Sad

He's right.

[Will Hunting]

The problem with this idea is that states determine the deadline for changing party affiliation. For example, the deadline to change your party in New York was in OCTOBER. I'd like to hear some rationale on why deadlines to change party affiliation need to exist so far in advance. Wisconsin, a state that has done a lot to suppress voting, allows day-of registration. I don't hear people on the left decrying that policy.

I agree that there should be same day registration, I was more railing against people who register as independents and then complain about shit like this.

[Reck]

He's right.

He cant prove it though.

[DMX7]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/F33aiA5wzDiCy33qrw5NPChksb9-Gzh2lUc4tCfT3QYNEL9OO_FaHSE0jK831LIhGVtVjxlK1aZmtM wECulIdNii_w=w769-no

Sucks so badly we're going to end up with Hillary.

[Mitch]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/F33aiA5wzDiCy33qrw5NPChksb9-Gzh2lUc4tCfT3QYNEL9OO_FaHSE0jK831LIhGVtVjxlK1aZmtM wECulIdNii_w=w769-no

Sucks so badly we're going to end up with Hillary.

Yep, she's only going to get more unpopular as the GE goes begins. There's no dirt to dig up on Bernie, but Hillary has full closet and Trump or Cruz have the key.

[rmt]

According to Greta, Bernie and his wife are in the top 5% (about $202k?) but tax rate < 14%. Wonder if any reporter will ask him about them paying their fair share. I'd like to know who their accountant is - good job that.

[Reck]

Yep, she's only going to get more unpopular as the GE goes begins. There's no dirt to dig up on Bernie, but Hillary has full closet and Trump or Cruz have the key.

There is a reason why his poll numbers are that high. He hasn't been attacked by the republicans in the least.

Can you imagine Trump going to town on Bernie about being a socialist communist?

Even if he's not really a communist, it would really hurt him and would skewed those numbers for sure.

[Reck]

BTW, Bernie townhall right now on MSNBC.

[MultiTroll]

Yep, she's only going to get more unpopular as the GE goes begins. There's no dirt to dig up on Bernie, but Hillary has full closet and Trump or Cruz have the key.
psssh. Perhaps.
But can there be any doubt some recordings exist somewhere of Cruz and farm animals?

[Mitch]

There is a reason why his poll numbers are that high. He hasn't been attacked by the republicans in the least.

Can you imagine Trump going to town on Bernie about being a socialist communist?

Even if he's not really a communist, it would really hurt him and would skewed those numbers for sure.

Trump has been doing the communist/socialist shtick, it doesn't stick with Bernie's voters or independents. Hilary has barely been attacked, just a few insults by Trump and Cruz. MSM will not bother wilth Hilary besides a few like Judge Jean, Hannity and sometimes Bill O.

[Reck]

Trump has been doing the communist/socialist shtick, it doesn't stick with Bernie's voters or independents. Hilary has barely been attacked, just a few insults by Trump and Cruz. MSM will not bother wilth Hilary besides a few like Judge Jean, Hannity and sometimes Bill O.

Even if that's true. You cant expect those numbers to not move. They will.

People surge and deep all the time. This illussion that Bernie is untouchable is far fetch. Even with his otherwise clean record, when and if a party focuses fire on you, you will suffer even a little bit.

Who knows what the republicans got for Bernie.

[Reck]

Ooooh Bernie didn't rule out being Hillary's VP...depending on what she does.

[Mitch]

Even if that's true. You cant expect those numbers to not move. They will.

People surge and deep all the time. This illussion that Bernie is untouchable is far fetch. Even with his otherwise clean record, when and if a party focuses fire on you, you will suffer even a little bit.

Who knows what the republicans got for Bernie.

The thing is that the likely republican nominee is Trump who has his fair share of skeletons in the closet, most already dealt with, but some good ones to bring out. Hillary... she could have dealt with some of hers while facing Bernie and probably still win. She's been untouched because MSM seems to really like her and ironically that might be a big problem for her later on when it becomes a slug fest.

I think when it's Trump vs Hilary, it's gonna be a competition of who drowns in shit first after they pile it on eachother. Trump might not get buried before KKKlinton :lol

Bernie, however, has very little going against him besides being a bum for half of his life. Independents and Liberals will like his policies, he's got a good presence in the north east and hasn't stepped on much shit his entire political career. He would easily beat out any republican, Trump wouldn't have ammo besides repeating "Communist/Socialist Bernie" 1000x times. Mark my words, Hillary will have issues against either Trump or Cruz - Kasich would be just an easy win though. That faggot has zero ability to debate and he's a giant crybaby; every he's questioned that he can't possibly win nomination he says dumb shit like "the delegates will come to their senses and see me as their best bet" or "I HAVE FRIENDS ON THE RNC I WILL BE ON THE SECOND BALLOT". He got into a shouting match with hannity a few days ago :lol

[Reck]

The thing is that the likely republican nominee is Trump who has his fair share of skeletons in the closet, most already dealt with, but some good ones to bring out. Hillary... she could have dealt with some of hers while facing Bernie and probably still win. She's been untouched because MSM seems to really like her and ironically that might be a big problem for her later on when it becomes a slug fest.

I think when it's Trump vs Hilary, it's gonna be a competition of who drowns in shit first after they pile it on eachother. Trump might not get buried before KKKlinton :lol

Bernie, however, has very little going against him besides being a bum for half of his life. Independents and Liberals will like his policies, he's got a good presence in the north east and hasn't stepped on much shit his entire political career. He would easily beat out any republican, Trump wouldn't have ammo besides repeating "Communist/Socialist Bernie" 1000x times. Mark my words, Hillary will have issues against either Trump or Cruz - Kasich would be just an easy win though. That faggot has zero ability to debate and he's a giant crybaby; every he's questioned that he can't possibly win nomination he says dumb shit like "the delegates will come to their senses and see me as their best bet" or "I HAVE FRIENDS ON THE RNC I WILL BE ON THE SECOND BALLOT". He got into a shouting match with hannity a few days ago :lol

I agree on most of this.

But..but, most if not all of Clinton's baggage is already out for the picking. And if and when the FBI gets done with their overdue investigation and she doesn't get indicted, that's one less ammunition the repugs won't have.

I wouldn't be surprise if Hillary doesn't try to portrayed Trump as a democrat.

This is going to be something to watch for sure. :lol

[Mitch]

I agree on most of this.

But..but, most if not all of Clinton's baggage is already out for the picking. And if and when the FBI gets done with their overdue investigation and she doesn't get indicted, that's one less ammunition the repugs won't have.

I wouldn't be surprise if Hillary doesn't try to portrayed Trump as a democrat.

This is going to be something to watch for sure. :lol

Not sure how playing Trump as a democrat will work out, he is a rockafeller Republican through and through though. Especially after his somewhat liberal stance on LBGT related stuff. Even the log cabin republicans want to fully endorse him, but they're calling him out to make his lgbt stance clear before they do so. Going to be stepping through a minefield making Trump look like a liberal because conservatives would never vote Hilary

[DMX7]

Ooooh Bernie didn't rule out being Hillary's VP...depending on what she does.

She's not picking him... Did you see her townhall tonight? She basically gave the impression that she is entitled to the vote of Sanders' supporters and she doesn't care even if she doesn't get their vote because she will probably win anyway.

[DMX7]

Why did Hillary Clinton go to the wedding of hardcore racist (according to her) Donald Trump?

[boutons_deux]

MSNBC Interrupts Bernie Sanders Town Hall With Fake Trump Breaking News

MSNBC is so obsessed with Donald Trump that they took a break in the middle of the Bernie Sanders town hall in Philadelphia to throw it back to the studio so that Chris Matthews could discuss Donald Trump.

After roughly 30 minutes of Bernie Sanders talking about issues with Chris Hayes, MSNBC took a commercial break where they went back to the studio so that Chris Matthews could discuss Donald Trump’s call for Ted Cruz and John Kasich to drop out of the presidential race. Matthews spent a few minutes talking to Jonathan Capehart about what Trump’s empty rhetoric meant, and then after an additional commercial break viewers were returned to Bernie Sanders.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/msnbc-interrupts-bernie-sanders-town-hall-fake-trump-breaking-news.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[DMX7]

MSNBC Interrupts Bernie Sanders Town Hall With Fake Trump Breaking News

MSNBC is so obsessed with Donald Trump that they took a break in the middle of the Bernie Sanders town hall in Philadelphia to throw it back to the studio so that Chris Matthews could discuss Donald Trump.

After roughly 30 minutes of Bernie Sanders talking about issues with Chris Hayes, MSNBC took a commercial break where they went back to the studio so that Chris Matthews could discuss Donald Trump’s call for Ted Cruz and John Kasich to drop out of the presidential race. Matthews spent a few minutes talking to Jonathan Capehart about what Trump’s empty rhetoric meant, and then after an additional commercial break viewers were returned to Bernie Sanders.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/msnbc-interrupts-bernie-sanders-town-hall-fake-trump-breaking-news.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Bernie has also exposed how bad even the "liberal media" is. I like how he called out Chris and MSNBC for being owned by Comcast, and then they go on to prove his point that they are lost on the real issues and can't look away from the stupid, shiny, attention-grabbing objects (e.g. Trump).

[Reck]

She's not picking him... Did you see her townhall tonight? She basically gave the impression that she is entitled to the vote of Sanders' supporters and she doesn't care even if she doesn't get their vote because she will probably win anyway.

It's hard to tell which one was done first tbh. These were pre tapes events so its hard to say for sure if what she meant was after hearing him give the response and vice versa.

[spurraider21]

lol this "sanders wins even when he loses" bullshit got old a long time ago
:lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

[boutons_deux]

Bernie Sanders is profoundly changing how millennials think about politics

The poll of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 finds that Sanders is by far the most popular presidential candidate among the youngest voters. This group's attitudes on a range of issues have become more liberal in the past year.

not only has Sanders's campaign made for an unexpectedly competitive Democratic primary, he has also changed the way millennials think about politics, said polling director John Della Volpe.

"He's not moving a party to the left. He's moving a generation to the left," Della Volpe said of the senator from Vermont. "Whether or not he's winning or losing, it's really that he's impacting the way in which a generation — the largest generation in the history of America — thinks about politics."

Apparently, Sanders's popularity with young voters isn't just some shallow fad or a cult of personality with little connection to substantive questions of politics. Young people, it seems, are taking Sanders's ideas to heart.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/04/2300-80.jpg&w=1484


Della Volpe cautions that it's impossible to predict how millennials' views will shift in the future, but people change parties only rarely after about age 30, researchers have found (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html?rref=upshot&_r=0).

If that pattern holds for the millennial generation, then Democrats could be indebted for decades to a politician who has rejected a formal association with the Democratic Party for his entire career until now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/25/bernie-sanders-is-profoundly-changing-how-millennials-think-about-politics-poll-shows/

Of course, the red, slave states, heavily redistricted and gerrymandered, low-education, low-wage, are mostly immune to Sanders' message.

[DMX7]

Tonight is probably Bernie's last hurrah. I'm going to have to stay away from the television... it's will be too painful.

[boutons_deux]

Tonight is probably Bernie's last hurrah. I'm going to have to stay away from the television... it's will be too painful.

Hillary or Bernie won't make much difference in getting problems solved. Hillary will sign Repug shit bills that Bernie would have vetoed.

The Repug House will continue to defund, fuck up govt, even if the Dems can take the Senate. If Wall St Schumer becomes the Dem Senate leader, Wall St will remain untouched.

America will remain fucked by Repugs and unfuckable.

[z0sa]

Tonight is probably Bernie's last hurrah. I'm going to have to stay away from the television... it's will be too painful.

Bernie isnt stopping until at least June 7th. Like Ive stayed in the past, his entire campaign strategy hinges on a massive win in California. Short of that, he may drop out. If he wins 60 percent in CA, it's going to the convention.

Inb4 Reck points out it doesnt matter because delegate discrepancy. Tees are tings we know.

[boutons_deux]

an email from Bernie

"Here's the truth: for the past several days, the entirety of the Democratic political establishment has been hoping our political revolution would dissolve, that we would just go away. But one thing is clear, we are only getting stronger:
YouGov National Poll - April 27, 2016
Clinton: 47%
Sanders: 43%


Those numbers represent a four point gain for our campaign, and it comes entirely after our tough loss in New York"

Hillary would be the most unpopular/low approval Pres ever if elected

[boutons_deux]

This Is Why Hillary Clinton Can't Tell Bernie Sanders to Drop Out

Hillary Clinton's lead in delegates over rival Bernie Sanders is now almost insurmountable as they move toward the conclusion of the Democratic presidential primary contest. But Clinton has not called on him to drop out of the race, for one simple reason: the example her own campaign set in 2008.

Eight years ago this month, Clinton was trailing hopelessly behind then-Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. On May 1, 2008, Clinton loaned (http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2008/june/clinton_candidacy/hillary_timeline_09.html) her bankrupt campaign $1 million (following at least $10 million in earlier loans).

Before the end of that week, pundits were calling the contest for Obama, whose May 6 win in the North Carolina primary, by 14 points, had made his delegate lead essentially insurmountable. "We now know who the Democratic nominee will be," Tim Russert said on MSNBC after the results came in.

Less than a week later, Obama surpassed (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/12/campaign.wrap/) Clinton in the super-delegate count, signaling that the party establishment was shifting behind the presumptive nominee.

But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast. She would go on to win contests in West Virginia, Kentucky, and South Dakota before the primary ended on June 3, even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.

Along the way, the Clinton campaign put forward every conceivable argument to justify staying in the race.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-drop-out-election

[DMX7]

I think Bernie may win tonight -- not that he is going to win the nomination though.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Any Bernie bros considering Jill Stein over Clinton in the fall?

[DMX7]

Any Bernie bros considering Jill Stein over Clinton in the fall?

I'm not.

[Spurminator]

The more I've thought about it, assuming he loses the nomination, I really do hope Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency.

Regardless of how you feel about her, Clinton is likely to be less effective than Obama at working with this Congress. Trump may not be much more effective, thankfully. And the danger of a Trump Presidency can be reduced further by an increase in progressive representation in Congress and at the state and local level.

Bernie may not have a chance at winning the Presidency as a 3rd party candidate but he will bring out the Progressive vote. A Trump vs. Clinton ticket alone would probably have the opposite effect, even though that scenario is better for Clinton.

[Reck]

The more I've thought about it, I really do hope Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate, even if that means a Trump Presidency.

Regardless of how you feel about her, Clinton is likely to be less effective than Obama at working with this Congress. Trump may not be much more effective, thankfully. And the danger of a Trump Presidency can be reduced further by an increase in progressive representation in Congress and at the state and local level.

Bernie may not have a chance at winning the Presidency as a 3rd party candidate but he will bring out the Progressive vote. A Trump vs. Clinton ticket alone would probably have the opposite effect, even though that scenario is better for Clinton.

Are you insane?

If the dems lose the presidency they lose the chance to get congress. Reps would have total and complete control in the white house and congress. There will not be any progressive ideas coming out of there in 4 to 8 years.

[Spurminator]

If the dems lose the presidency they lose the chance to get congress.

How's that? They are elected separately.

[boutons_deux]

How's that? They are elected separately.

Pres's coattails vary in length, but seem to be conventional wisdom.

[Spurminator]

Pres's coattails vary in length, but seem to be conventional wisdom.

That's because we're typically choosing between two candidates. In 1992 when Perot was a strong 3rd party candidate, the Democrats won the Presidency while losing nine seats in the House and remaining flat in the Senate.

[boutons_deux]

That's because we're typically choosing between two candidates. In 1992 when Perot was a strong 3rd party candidate, the Democrats won the Presidency while losing nine seats in the House and remaining flat in the Senate.

coattails exist but not perfectly reliable.

Dems, win or lose the WH, won't dislodge enough, or any, of redistricted, gerrymandered "safe seat" Repugs who blatantly want to destroy Federal govt by defunding it, by obstructing ALL progress, solutions, executing the strategy as reliable whores of the Kock Bros/VRWC.

Hillary will "work with" the Repugs in Congress to get some silly little nominally progressive turds into legislation while giving the Repugs everything they want.

[Th'Pusher]

The more I've thought about it, assuming he loses the nomination, I really do hope Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency.

Regardless of how you feel about her, Clinton is likely to be less effective than Obama at working with this Congress. Trump may not be much more effective, thankfully. And the danger of a Trump Presidency can be reduced further by an increase in progressive representation in Congress and at the state and local level.


Bernie may not have a chance at winning the Presidency as a 3rd party candidate but he will bring out the Progressive vote. A Trump vs. Clinton ticket alone would probably have the opposite effect, even though that scenario is better for Clinton.

What if Trump elected Cruz to the SCOTUS? Would that be an even trade if the Bernie/Hillary progressives came out in droves and allowed dems to take back the house and the senate?

[DMX7]

What if Trump elected Cruz to the SCOTUS?

That is terrifying.

[Spurminator]

What if Trump elected Cruz to the SCOTUS? Would that be an even trade if the Bernie/Hillary progressives came out in droves and allowed dems to take back the house and the senate?

Trump can't elect a SC Justice, he can only nominate them. I would hope if the Dems took the House and Senate, Cruz wouldn't have a chance at getting the seat. I don't think Trump will nominate him anyway.

We need Bernie on the ticket to mobilize voters. I absolutely prefer a Clinton Presidency to a Trump one, in a vacuum, but the clusterfuck of ideologues likely to be elected by anti-Clinton voters if the Bernie-bots stay home scares me more.

[boutons_deux]

" Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency. "

amazing. NOTHING, esp a hopeless 3rd pro forma candidate, justifies Trump as pres.

[tlongII]

" Bernie runs as a 3rd Party candidate. Even if that means a Trump Presidency. "

amazing. NOTHING, esp a hopeless 3rd pro forma candidate, justifies Trump as pres.

The possibility of Hillary is what justifies Trump as president. Trump > Hillary

[Mitch]

The possibility of Hillary is what justifies Trump as president. Trump > Hillary

We are in for bad times if the butcher of benghazi becomes president, tbh

[Nbadan]

We are in for bad times if the butcher of benghazi becomes president, tbh

The butcher of Bengazi...

:rolleyes

[Mitch]

The butcher of Bengazi...

:rolleyes

Make sure to get your bumper sticker
http://rlv.zcache.com/the_butcher_of_benghazi_bumper_sticker-r05a07b268b084d72890c576a3cc57947_v9uwb_1024.jpg?r lvnet=1

[boutons_deux]

Benghazi! :lol

[Reck]

Make sure to get your bumper sticker
http://rlv.zcache.com/the_butcher_of_benghazi_bumper_sticker-r05a07b268b084d72890c576a3cc57947_v9uwb_1024.jpg?r lvnet=1

For a self described democrat, you sure have extreme like views. :lol

[Mitch]

What does party affiliation have to do with it, tbh? I'm democrat because I have a firm belief in ethics and promoting social values. I don't see hilary being the embodiment of left wing values, she just panders to them. I don't like her and many other democrats don't either.

I can't support warmongers either, tbh


For a self described democrat, you sure have extreme like views. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Benghazi! :lol

[DMX7]

She really was not a great Secretary of State. Also, she seemed to see herself as a military adviser as much as a top diplomat.

[Nbadan]

For those who believe that this race it's over quite yet....


linton | 1,707 pledged delegates
Sanders | 1,418 pledged delegates

Remaining Delegates: 926

Sanders now needs 608 more pledged delegates to reach 2,026...

There are three contests left in May:


May 10th
WV — 29 pledged delegates, Sanders polls: +4-8%
May 17th
KT — 55 pledged delegates, Sanders polls: no data
OR — 61 pledged delegates, Sanders polls: no data*

Sanders wins WV, KT and OR...with a good chunk of pledged delegates and Hillary will be feelin the Bern...

[Reck]

For those who believe that this race it's over quite yet....



There are three contests left in May:



Sanders wins WV, KT and OR...with a good chunk of pledged delegates and Hillary will be feelin the Bern...

I dont know why his people are saying he'll win Kentucky. He's not.

A few weeks ago their camp was saying how they would sweep May. :lol

They lost Guam to Clinton today. Nothing to write home about but there goes the sweep.

The proportionate delegates makes it impossible for him to catch up with pledge delegates, never mind superdelagates.

[Nbadan]

I dont know why his people are saying he'll win Kentucky. He's not.

A few weeks ago their camp was saying how they would sweep May. :lol

They lost Guam to Clinton today. Nothing to write home about but there goes the sweep.

The proportionate delegates makes it impossible for him to catch up with pledge delegates, never mind superdelagates.

....with 926 delegates remaining to be won, he’ll now need to win 65.6%

[Reck]

....with 926 delegates remaining to be won, he’ll now need to win 65.6%

Good luck?

[boutons_deux]

This feminist is sticking with Bernie Sanders: Why Hillary backers need to take another long, honest look

by MARIE MYUNG-OK LEE (http://www.salon.com/writer/marie_myung_ok_lee/)

A week after the New York primary, I had lunch with a colleague whom I hadn’t seen for a year.

We are both avowed feminists and members of a joke secret society, Women Who Get Shit Done (we have badges, that’s about it);

she started talking about having voted for Hillary Clinton, in that confiding way one does when presuming the other person feels the same.

I had to stop her and gently let her know that I had voted for Bernie, and even with the (contested) results in, I was still Sanders.

She immediately backtracked and revealed, as if disclosing a shameful secret, that “Bernie’s positions” — voted against the Iraq, against fracking, for banking regulation — “align much closer to my own than Hillary’s.”

Why on earth vote for Hillary then? I asked, astounded.

The best she could come up with was “My daughter really wants me to vote for Hillary.”

Besides “having a woman president would be historic” and “Hillary has the most experience,” they would look at me blankly when I’d say, “And I disagree with almost everything she’s done in the State Department and much of what she did while she was a senator.”

“Honduras,” I said.

“Glass-Steagall.

Iraq War vote.

TPP.

Israel-Palestine.

GMOs.

Her promotion of fracking (http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron) not just here but globally.

NAFTA.”

How about that Saudi Arabia got their arms deals approved in a Hillary State department coincidentally after giving lots of money to the Clinton Foundation (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals)?

I explain, further, that after publicly cheering on the Columbia activists who successfully got the university to divest from private prisons (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/us/columbia-university-prison-divest/), I thus feel I could hardly undo this accomplishment by voting for a candidate who profits from the industry (http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/02/clinton-campaign-gives-private-prison-lobbyist-cash-to-charity-218524).

I’m flummoxed by friends who exclusively feed their children organic food but suddenly are agnostic on GMOs and which pesticide companies give to which candidates (https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/video-hilary-clinton-endorses-gmos-solution-focused-crop-biotechnology)). Previously, I might have elided over these unholy corporate ties, too, as being unavoidable. That maybe as a woman, Hillary has to play rough and get the money where she can in order to stay in the game.

But I don’t feel that way any more, because Senator Sanders has shown he can actually run a campaign without taking corporate money or having mainstream media attention.

What about equal pay?

Looking at the numbers, Hillary plays her female staff less than the men (http://theslot.jezebel.com/an-investigation-which-presidential-campaigns-have-the-1762895557), according to this report while Bernie Sanders pays his female staff more than men–a distinctive data point the media seemed to have missed completely.

I’m still a feminist and I’m #StillSanders. Bernie’s a fighter, too. He wasn’t dubbed an “honorary woman” by Gloria Steinem for nothing.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/this_feminist_is_sticking_with_bernie_sanders_why_ hillary_backers_need_to_take_another_long_honest_l ook/

[boutons_deux]

MSM establishment TRASHING Bernie by ignoring him

Media Silent as Bernie Sanders Packs California Stadium Beyond Capacity (PHOTOS)

Despite the mainstream media’s repeated assertions that the Bernie Sanders movement is now a thing of the past, enthusiasm from his base only seems to be growing, based on the overwhelming number of people who flocked to his rally in Sacramento this Monday night.

Supporters lined up for over four hours to see Senator Sanders outside Bonney Field — some of them even longer.

Somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 people were estimated to have been packed inside the stadium, with more than 10,000 more continuing to wait outside.

The hashtag #BernieInSacramento quickly exploded onto the top trends on Twitter, and yet the mainstream national media once again chose to ignore the massive influx of support and unprecedented turnout. Only local outlets covered the rallies, and local Sacramento NBC affiliate KCRA-3 (http://www.kcra.com/news/thousands-rally-for-bernie-sanders-in-sacramento/39460596) only attached the following picture to their article, obviously taken before the rally as people were still entering the field:

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-sacramento-california/

[Reck]

^ It has been well established Bernie packs the house. It has also being established that he has lazy supporters that dont vote for him. That's why he's losing.

[Mitch]

^ It has been well established Bernie packs the house. It has also being established that he has lazy supporters that dont vote for him. That's why he's losing.

Yep, but West Virginia was pretty clear in their opinion of Hilary :lol

Too bad they both came out with the same delegates.

Btw what do you think about Teamsters unwilling to back Hillary? They always back the dDemocrat candidate, this is pretty unheard of tbh

[Reck]

Yep, but West Virginia was pretty clear in their opinion of Hilary :lol

Too bad they both came out with the same delegates.

Btw what do you think about Teamsters unwilling to back Hillary? They always back the dDemocrat candidate, this is pretty unheard of tbh

The Clinton's have a huge problem shutting their mouths when they need to. That coal mining comment she made a while back single handely lost her WV if not thousands of thousands of votes. It made a close race there into a blowout for Sanders.

And I'm not surprised they haven't jumped on her wagon after her fail attempts discussing job growth.

[Mitch]

The Clinton's have a huge problem shutting their mouths when they need to. That coal mining comment she made a while back single handely lost her WV if not thousands of thousands of votes. It made a close race there into a blowout for Sanders.

And I'm not surprised they haven't jumped on her wagon after her fail attempts discussing job growth.

I am, they ALWAYS go democrat even with shit candidates like Kerry. If the unions snub Hillary, she concedes the rust belt, might even turn Wisconsin into a swing state. She should keep Illinois no matter what, though, Chicago being a blue stronghold and all.

[spurraider21]

Bernie Sanders Vows To Break Up The Splash Brothers (http://thekicker.com/bernie-sanders-vows-to-break-up-the-splash-brothers/?utm_campaign=Organic&utm_source=TKFacebook&utm_medium=pagepost)

:lol FkLA

[boutons_deux]

Clinton and the DNC Are Not Just Colluding — They’re Changing the Rules for Superdelegates

Feb 19th, only two states — Iowa and New Hampshire — had held primary votes for the Democratic presidential nomination. The results in Iowa (a tie) and New Hampshire (a landslide victory for Bernie Sanders) had at that point made Sanders the front-runner for the nomination.
Sanders was the leader in the popular vote.

Sanders was the early leader in the all-important pledged-delegate count.

And here’s where the super-delegate count stood on February 19th:


Hillary Clinton: 451
Bernie Sanders: 19


Now it’s May, and we’re being told that the sole purpose of the Democratic “super-delegate” has all along been to acknowledge the popular-vote and pledged-delegate leader.

Except that’s nonsense.

Hillary Clinton courted hundreds and hundreds of super-delegates at a time when there was no popular-vote or delegate-count leader, and in 2016, as in 2008, she worked hard to keep her super-delegates even in those times she was neither the leader in the popular vote nor the leader in the delegate count.

The reason for this is that super-delegates have absolutely nothing to do with the popular vote or the delegate count.

And Clinton knows it.

Moreover, plenty of super-delegates — most notably (https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/09/dnc-superdelegate-howard-dean-i-dont-represent-the-people/) former DNC Chair and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean — have said it loud and clear. Super-delegates are tasked with (a) declaring themselves as early as possible in order to scare from the Democratic primary anyone who hasn’t sufficiently greased the wheels of the Democratic Party machine, and (b) casting their vote at the Party’s summer convention for whichever candidate is best positioned to win the general election.

Clinton and her camp suddenly discovering some unstated principle about the connection between super-delegates and the popular vote, or super-delegates and the pledged-delegate count, is pretty rich — given that Clinton picked up 86 percent of her super-delegates (451 of 523) at a time when she was well behind in both measures.

Calling Clinton a hypocrite on the issue of super-delegates would be unkind; it would be more accurate to say that, on the subject of super-delegates, as on so many other subjects, there is no evidence that Clinton has any core principles whatsoever.

Not only has Sanders not changed his unfavorable view of super-delegates, his position on super-delegates tracks with how the Party itself treats these individuals: as people who, per Luis Miranda and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, cannot and do not vote, and therefore cannot and must not be tallied, prior to the Party’s convention in Philadelphia this July.

the DNC has told the media that super-delegates can’t and don’t get tallied for purposes of declaring a nominee until July; Sanders has taken the same view; yet the DNC has since April, we now learn, been working with the Clinton camp behind the scenes to have the Democratic primary declared over on June 7th.


the media has consistently reported on Hillary Clinton’s efforts to reach out to Sanders voters;

the media is unable to provide any example of this happening other than Clinton gamely refusing to call for her opponent’s concession a month earlier than she conceded in 2008;

Clinton’s camp in fact said it planned to “disqualify” Sanders (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/) from the presidency,

that his campaign was “destructive” (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/after-new-york-win-clinton-campaign-says-bernie-sanders-attacks-help-republicans),

that he could go “fuck himself” (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-thrush-clinton-aide-fck-bernie), and

that its most likely VP nominee (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/tim-kaine-vice-president-hillary-clinton/) was a moderate with no ties to the progressive movement whatsoever.

Quite the olive branch.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/10/clinton-and-dnc-are-not-just-colluding-theyre-changing-rules-superdelegates

[Reck]

^ I sense extreme butthurt coming from article writer.

Bernie math is the bomb.

[boutons_deux]

Polls: Sanders has more potential to beat Trump

Recent polls have demonstrated that Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders holds a much higher potential to defeat Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, in an election than Hillary Clinton, altough the latter is the Democratic party's front-runner.

The Reuters news agency, RealClearPolitics, a US non-partisan polling data aggregator, are among the organisations that have released ratings indicating that Sanders would have the upperhand in the battle for the White House over Clinton.

Clinton has so far won 1,716 delegates and Sanders has gained 1,433. Counting super-delegates, Clinton has 2,240 and Sanders has 1,473. But super-delegates can still switch allegiance until the July 25 Democratic convention is held.

However, RealClearPolitics showed on Tuesday that Sanders had a 13 percent advantage over Trump, while Clinton had five more points more than Trump.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday signalled a tight coin-toss race between Clinton and Trump, without reporting on Sanders.
In March, a Reuters poll said that Sanders would beat Trump by at least 14 percent, while reporting a very close race between Trump and Clinton.

Dustin Woodard, an analytics expert who took a major part in the development of the Reuters poll, told Al Jazeera that a significant reason for Sanders' advantage was due to disproportional support from independent voters - a group that he says other polls failed to factor in.
"Independents are the largest voting population in the US. Gallup reports that independents are 42 percent of the voting population, while Democrats are only 29% and Republicans are only 26%.

Sanders and Trump have been the favourites of independent voters, he noted, adding how their voice changed the outcome of polls.

"When I look at other head-to-head polling sources, the 10 most recent polls show Clinton only beats Trump in eight of them and her margin of win averages 4.6 percent, but most, if not all, of the polls do not have their independent numbers correct."

"This would suggest Clinton vs Trump is a really tight battle, possibly in Trumps favour.

However, on Bernie Sanders side, he beats Trump in every single poll and by an average margin of 14.1%. Again, if Independents were adjusted, his margin might be even larger."

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/polls-sanders-has-more-potential-to-beat-trump/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/polls-sanders-has-more-potential-to-beat-trump/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[rmt]

How likely is it that Hillary asks Bernie to be VP? That would be an unbeatable ticket.

[Reck]

Bernie's wife doing some crushing damage to Vermont College.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-happened-at-burlington-college/482973/

Fiorina Ver. 2.

[Mitch]

Bernie's wife doing some crushing damage to Vermont College.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/what-happened-at-burlington-college/482973/

Fiorina Ver. 2.

Hey Reck, your boy Marco is having some sort of meltdown on Twitter :lol

https://twitter.com/marcorubio?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

732409716597489664

[Reck]

Hey Reck, your boy Marco is having some sort of meltdown on Twitter :lol

https://twitter.com/marcorubio?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

732409716597489664

Why would he post that himself? :lol

And what does chest or legs at a gym mean? lol

[Mitch]

Why would he post that himself? :lol

And what does chest or legs at a gym mean? lol

Muscle groups to work out, but I don't know what he's on about. I think he accepted that his political career is over, tbh

[Reck]

Muscle groups to work out, but I don't know what he's on about. I think he accepted that his political career is over, tbh

The dude would look wierd with muscles on. He's a complete midget. Might be compensating for something. Poor Rubio.

[Mitch]

The dude would look wierd with muscles on. He's a complete midget. Might be compensating for something. Poor Rubio.

Big donald, little marco. miss the early primaries already :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmJMFEJoNfo

[Reck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obq99GDGjM4

Bernie bots on full retard mode.

[Wild Cobra]

Oregon democrats voted 55.5% for Sanders vs. 42.9% for sHillary.

http://gov.oregonlive.com/election/

[boutons_deux]

I watched Hillary Clinton’s forces swipe Nevada: This is what the media’s not telling you

Bernie's forces were justifiably outraged over arbitrary rule changes and a chairwoman determined to ignore them


It wasn’t long before things took a turn.

At 9:30, a full half hour before registration closed, Lange read the results of ballots that had been passed out to early arriving conventioneers regarding temporary rules for the convention, rules which would discount the results of the county convention (the second tier of the caucus process, where Bernie had won more delegates), rules which would require that all votes at the convention be decided by voice alone, and which ruled that the decision of the chairperson would be final.

These temporary rules had passed by flying colors, which did not sit well with the Bernie delegates, many of whom had not been given ballots.

Suddenly half the people of the room were on their feet, shouting “No!!!!”

My son and I jumped to our feet as well, added our voices to the chorus.

There is no excuse whatsoever for the vile and violent threats Lange has received following the convention—I hate that she is receiving these threats, and condemn them with every fiber of my being—but it is clear that she ignored true democratic process throughout the day and should be taken to task in a civil, political, way.

it appeared that Lange didn’t listen to much of anything the Bernie delegates had to say;

she appeared not to count the votes from that side of the room;

she ejected dozens of Bernie delegates who didn’t have a chance to defend their eligibility, and who,

if they were allowed to stay, would have given Bernie more delegates than Hillary;

she didn’t allow for a “minority report”;

she cut off microphones when people challenged her.

When I read news stories about what happened that day, I don’t recognize much of what is being reported—while there was plenty of chaos,

I witnessed no violence (nor did my husband or anyone else I knew at the convention).

Bernie supporters were not trying to change the rules, as some journalists reported: they were justifiably outraged when

the chairperson changed the rules without a majority vote,

and then more outraged when, later,

after a motion for a delegate recount, she shut the whole convention down with a pound of the gavel and

threatened arrest to anyone who stayed in the room.

So many of the news reports of the convention feel like gaslighting in that regard—stories trying to make it sound as if the Bernie delegates were a bunch of crazy nutjobs, when all they wanted was to be heard and counted.

I know many Bernie supporters who would have voted for Hillary changed their minds after what they experienced that day,

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/20/i_watched_hillary_clintons_forces_swipe_nevada_thi s_is_what_the_medias_not_telling_you/

[Reck]

^Maybe his retarded supporters should learn how to properly file paperworks before having a meltdown?

"That lead was only possible because state officials disqualified 56 Sanders-supporting delegates who had filled out incorrect paperwork or hadn't registered as Democrats in time, the Sun reported. (Fewer than 10 Clinton delegates were similarly disqualified.)"

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/17/11680904/bernie-sanders-nevada-convention

It hasn't been the first time where a bloc of his supporters either forgot or was to late changing their affiliation to democrats. They're called Bernie bots for a reason.

[boutons_deux]

Shock Poll: Sanders Ahead of Trump by 15 Points, Hillary Just by 3


A major national poll has some surprising numbers in it.

A shocker. A new NBC News/Wall St Journal poll (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html) has Bernie up 54 to 39 over Donald Trump.

Meanwhile, according to the same poll, Hillary Clinton no longer has a double digit lead over Donald Trump like she did just a month ago -- her lead over Trump is just 3 points (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html).

(http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-now-has-double-digit-lead-over-donald-trump-while-hillary-clintons-lead)http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-now-has-double-digit-lead-over-donald-trump-while-hillary-clintons-lead

Please ignore this poll, (C)NBC and WSJ are well-known as extremist left wing socialist groups.

[CosmicCowboy]

Oprah would probably beat Trump too but she's not going to be the Democratic nominee either.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

^Maybe his retarded supporters should learn how to properly file paperworks before having a meltdown?

"That lead was only possible because state officials disqualified 56 Sanders-supporting delegates who had filled out incorrect paperwork or hadn't registered as Democrats in time, the Sun reported. (Fewer than 10 Clinton delegates were similarly disqualified.)"

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/17/11680904/bernie-sanders-nevada-convention

It hasn't been the first time where a bloc of his supporters either forgot or was to late changing their affiliation to democrats. They're called Bernie bots for a reason.



You're cheering for democratic obstructionism?

[Reck]

You're cheering for democratic obstructionism?


The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. In a previous statement (https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-nevada/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter), the campaign detailed several allegations of misconduct from the state party, which we considered as part of this fact-check. "At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place," the campaign said in that statement.


However, there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention-goers — the rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, largely unchanged for three presidential cycles, and given to both campaigns


The Sanders campaign later alleged that Lange refused to accept petitions to change the rules, which is inaccurate


In an interview, Lange said the board received a handful of petitions to change the convention rules but not all of them met the requirement to have signatures by 20 percent of convention goers.

Lange said the proper procedure for an amendment to the rules would have been during a short period for public comment before the temporary rules were adopted as permanent.
None of the three Sanders supporters who spoke, including Nevada superdelegate Erin Bilbray, made any motion to amend the rules during that time, so they were approved as written.

Volunteers circulating the petitions changing the rules abandoned their efforts (https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/731576321294245889) after the permanent rules were adopted, saying they missed their chance to introduce them.




Our ruling
Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."
Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures don’t reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.
But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevada’s state Democratic Convention can’t change the simple fact that Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.
There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False.



http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Looks pretty clear cut to me.

Sanders and his suppoters are simply sore losers.

[Nbadan]

You're cheering for democratic obstructionism?

Let's be clear....Bernie is fighting for the very soul of the democratic party.....Hillary is the establishment candidate....she will do everything for Wall Street, Pharmaceuticals and the Industrial Military Complex that funds her campaign....most Wing-nuts like CC are jaded because their Party...the GOP has no candidates fighting for the small guy like Bernie...

[Reck]

Let's be clear....Bernie is fighting for the very soul of the Democratic Party

:lmao

Cool story bro. He's not fighting for no Democratic Party. He's fighting for his own self. In fact, he doesn't give a shit about the party he's running in. He's running with a D next to his name because it was the only viable choice. Had he run as independent he would have been kind dead by now in the presidential race.

Lets not pretend Bernie suddenly cares about a party he's never really being a part of.

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes

If Hillary is the future of the Democratic Party then they are just as out of touch with real progressives as the GOP leadership is to most conservatives

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes

If Hillary is the future of the Democratic Party then they are just as out of touch with real progressives as the GOP leadership is to most conservatives