NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[objective]

Like I said in the game thread, trade Mills + Lauvergne for Amir Johnson’s expiring $11 million. The Sixers need a backup point that can shoot and Patty can be reunited with the Australians up there. The Spurs get rid of Mills and Lauvergne’s player option.

This is assuming you can’t get Walker in return and a last ditch effort.

I think if the 76ers and Brown wanted Mills they would have signed him in the summer.

They didn't even want him in 14 when he was a free agent and Brown was desperate for some vet presence under Hinkie. Colangelo doesn't seem to have been interested either.

[ace3g]

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[SAGirl]

I think if the 76ers and Brown wanted Mills they would have signed him in the summer.

They didn't even want him in 14 when he was a free agent and Brown was desperate for some vet presence under Hinkie. Colangelo doesn't seem to have been interested either.
I thought Brown was the one who spiked up Mills' asking price... tbh he signed so fast that maybe it was all RC :drunk

[objective]

I thought Brown was the one who spiked up Mills' asking price... tbh he signed so fast that maybe it was all RC :drunk

I think it was just RC having a very bad summer

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 16s (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/954552915338956800)
There is a growing belief in league personnel circles that Utah could move swingman Rodney Hood before the Feb. 8 trade deadline ... with multiple teams expressing interest


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8h5yws

[cd98]

Jazz could really use Patty.

[sasaint]

Jazz could really use Patty.

Haha! Said nobody in the Jazz organization.

[SAGirl]

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 16s (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/954552915338956800)
There is a growing belief in league personnel circles that Utah could move swingman Rodney Hood before the Feb. 8 trade deadline ... with multiple teams expressing interest



He's due to get paid and Jazz won't overpay him. In Donovan Mitchell they have the guy to build around.

[NASpurs]

I think Amir as a player and his contract have more value than that. I think the 76'ers can do better.

Average 15 minutes a game while scoring a whopping 5 points and about to turn 31. Spurs don't have the assets to trade for stars and they also can't trade for scrubs too. Fucking purgatory.

[SAGirl]

Not a single Spur rumor heh?

[Mikeanaro]

Please don´t trade Pity Mills, Gashole or Deni Grim.

[Robz4000]

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 16s (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/954552915338956800)
There is a growing belief in league personnel circles that Utah could move swingman Rodney Hood before the Feb. 8 trade deadline ... with multiple teams expressing interest


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc8h5yws
Silver&Black

[Mr. Body]

Not a single Spur rumor heh?

What the hell do they have to trade?

[sasaint]

What the hell do they have to trade?

Future draft picks that will be better than past picks.

[TheGreatYacht]

What the hell do they have to trade?
Better trash than what the Cavs are offering teams. Tristan Thompson & Iman Shumpert lmao

[SAGirl]

What the hell do they have to trade?
They have expiring contracts to begin with... some guys they may not be able to reup, or want to. (Rudy, Danny, Bryn, Kyle, Davis, Tony, Brandon Paul, all expiring deals.) Tony is the biggest expiring deal, so if they won't trade Tony to begin with... then you have less to trade, but that is different from saying they don't have anything of value (expirings) or players.

[BatManu20]

Cavs would be lucky to dump Shumpert anywhere. He is complete trash now.

[Robz4000]

Cavs would be lucky to dump Shumpert anywhere. He is complete trash now.

Is it too late to trade Danny Green and Boris Diaw for him?

[SAGirl]

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[Ice009]

I want Kemba bad. This team is desperate for a quality PG. I like him and if the Spurs have to include Murray, I'll fly to the US, drive him to the airport and get him on that plane immediately. I'll pack his bags later and ship them to him later. Mills, I've already got his bags packed and have shipped them to Charlotte already. When he comes home from the game in Toronto, he won't find any of his belongings there.

[SAGirl]

I want Kemba bad. This team is desperate for a quality PG. I like him and if the Spurs have to include Murray, I'll fly to the US, drive him to the airport and get him on that plane immediately. I'll pack his bags later and ship them to him later. Mills, I've already got his bags packed and have shipped them to Charlotte already. When he comes home from the game in Toronto, he won't find any of his belongings there.
:lmao
there was totally an image in my mind based on your description.

[Mr. Body]

They have expiring contracts to begin with... some guys they may not be able to reup, or want to. (Rudy, Danny, Bryn, Kyle, Davis, Tony, Brandon Paul, all expiring deals.) Tony is the biggest expiring deal, so if they won't trade Tony to begin with... then you have less to trade, but that is different from saying they don't have anything of value (expirings) or players.

They're not trading Parker. Nor any other big vet, or Gay. Their young players are worth nothing and the expirings aren't worth anything by themselves.

[SAGirl]

They're not trading Parker. Nor any other big vet, or Gay. Their young players are worth nothing and the expirings aren't worth anything by themselves.

That is very different from saying "what do they have to trade."

They have assets... they won't trade and will take 1-9 shooting nights from Tony and getting benched for no jumper Dejounte and stand pat... is one thing.. but to say they have nothing to trade is another.

They may not be able to resign Gay... heck his body might go crumbling like Rose's from now on as far as we know.

this is business.

I love Danny and Kyle, my favorites from that crew bc they have value even when their shots aren't falling.. would trade them too to make this team better. There can't be sentimentality here...

or then just watch them come up short and don't complain spurfan...

(BTW this is in general.. not aimed at you, you complain the least as far as I have seen.)

I am not happy camper.

[Silver&Black]

Silver&Black (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20666)

Wow. How'd you know about my personal Jihad I have against Hood? Only mentioned it once or twice in years.

Hate that motherfucker. Would be willing to call a ceasefire though if it got rid of Mills contract.

[SAGirl]

Wow. How'd you know about my personal Jihad I have against Hood? Only mentioned it once or twice in years.

Hate that motherfucker. Would be willing to call a ceasefire though if it got rid of Mills contract.
:rollin:bobo

[Robz4000]

Wow. How'd you know about my personal Jihad I have against Hood? Only mentioned it once or twice in years.

Hate that motherfucker. Would be willing to call a ceasefire though if it got rid of Mills contract.

You mentioned it a couple times in a game thread back in LMA's first season where he killed the Spurs iirc. Just thought it was amusing so it stuck :lol.

[Ice009]

:lmao
there was totally an image in my mind based on your description.

I'm trying to make it a reality by creating the image and imagining it ;).

[sasaint]

I want Kemba bad. This team is desperate for a quality PG. I like him and if the Spurs have to include Murray, I'll fly to the US, drive him to the airport and get him on that plane immediately. I'll pack his bags later and ship them to him later. Mills, I've already got his bags packed and have shipped them to Charlotte already. When he comes home from the game in Toronto, he won't find any of his belongings there.

I didn't know you lived outside the US. Where?

Anyhow, don't bother. I live right here in SA, and I will be more than happy to render them the same service!

[sasaint]

Wow. How'd you know about my personal Jihad I have against Hood? Only mentioned it once or twice in years.

Hate that motherfucker. Would be willing to call a ceasefire though if it got rid of Mills contract.

I remember your disdain for 50Mills. And I appreciate your selflessness. All for the good of the team! :toast

[Silver&Black]

I remember your disdain for 50Mills. And I appreciate your selflessness. All for the good of the team! :toast

Nah. Only Spurs player I really hated was Bonner. Thought he wasted a roster spot for years and years.

Never had a problem with Mills. I actually like the guy. Doesn't mean I have to like that contract though.

[eDizzle20]

I don’t see Charlotte parting ways with Kemba unless that involves taking on Batum’s brutal contract.

[venitian navigator]

I don’t see Charlotte parting ways with Kemba unless that involves taking on Batum’s brutal contract.

in this case a pair of deals could be possible. first is kemba + marvin for murray, mills and gay second is batum for parker, jo lo and forbes both are possible for nba trade machine...

[objective]

I don’t see Charlotte parting ways with Kemba unless that involves taking on Batum’s brutal contract.

I've been Trade Machining deals that include both Kemba and Batum to every team in the league that could want to pay 29 year old 6-1* Kemba in summer 2019 a long term deal starting at a minimum of $20 million

And if Charlotte wants to save money and get talent, it's really hard to find a deal like that.

Best I could see is Philadelphia giving the expirings of Amir, Booker, next year of Bayless, and one of their good draft picks coming up, either the Lakers 2018 pick 1 or 6-30, or the lesser of the 2019 Lakers if not conveyed to Boston or the 2019 Kings pick.

Then, for just money, the Pacers could send Bogdanovic, Al Jefferson, and Darren Collison, and only count $7.5 million on year 19, and be clear for 20 & 21. But their pick would likely be between 20 & 25. And that's if Indiana wants to give it a go and thinks Kemba can be a good enough addition to contend. Maybe Sabonis would interest Charlotte as a young talent?

Other than that, it's difficult to see where they could dump the years 19,20, and 21 of the Batum deal. If they can handle less of a return ...

The Bulls could send Mirotic and Robin Lopez, plus their first for Kemba+Batum, but that only gets Charlotte off of years 20 and 21, and I don't think Chicago will dump their good pick in a good draft to try to win now with Kemba and washed up Batum.

Cleveland could do JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Isaiah Thomas and the Brooklyn pick, that saves years 20 and 21 off the Batum deal with Shumpert, and most of 20 & 21 with JR who is only guaranteed 3.7 in year 20. Letting Isaiah walk and getting the Brooklyn pick, currently the 8th pick if the lotto went by percentages, maybe that's enough?

The Knicks can send Kanter and Courtney Lee, saving years 20 & 21 off Batum with Kanter (if he doesn't opt out), but still having Lee for 19 and 20. And if the Knicks received Kemba, they probably make the playoffs, worsening any pick they can send.

Denver could send Faried, Chandler, and Mudiay, saving years 20 & 21 off the Batum deal. But they'd make the playoffs, and have a worse pick to send. And I would think that Mudiay has even less value than Murray around the league.

I wouldn't think Phoenix or Sacramento would think they would contend with Walker and Batum and I doubt either would give up lotto firsts for the deal, though Phoenix will probably have Miami's pick and maybe Milwaukee.

If Kemba does get traded this year, I might expect it to not be attached to Batum.

[objective]

If the Spurs were willing to be cold-blooded, as some others have already posted in this thread:

Parker, Murray, Gay and a 1st for Kemba & Marvin

Either Gay opts out saving Charlotte on years 19 and 20 of the Marvin deal, or Gay opts in and maybe gets enough numbers in 19 that he'd have trade value on his own and could be moved.

Then Charlotte would have a cheap point guard of the future (allegedly), a first, and saved 2 years of salary from Marvin Williams.

I think the Spurs could even offer wacky protections as incentive, i.e. 2018 only conveys if it's between 15-20, 2019 only conveys if between 10-20, 2020 only conveys if 5-14, then 2021 1-14, etc etc

it ain't much, but it could be competitive

They'd still be screwed by Mills, and would enter summer 2018 at the cap already in salary commited without Green and without the cap holds for Anderson, Bertans or Forbes.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs are never trading Parker. Will you retards stop.

[sasaint]

Nah. Only Spurs player I really hated was Bonner. Thought he wasted a roster spot for years and years.

Never had a problem with Mills. I actually like the guy. Doesn't mean I have to like that contract though.

I mis-typed. I meant Hood!

[John B]

Other teams like Murray. I always hear commentators about the future of this kid. And Jordan could see him as future star PG and we get a real chance at Kemba. I mean, I like Murrays defense now, especially on Curry or CP3 come playoffs. But as a PG he reminds me of DeColo, and it shivers me to think what Spurs could miss in return before it’s too late. Kawhi could play PFwd for Murray to work in the lineup, but Murray needs to hit those corner 3s. But Kemba is available now.

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, the NBA trade deadline thread wouldn't be complete without the goonies of spurstalk throwing Tony Parker's name in trade scenarios while thinking this year is going to be different than all the rest.

[Hoops Czar]

Other teams like Murray. I always hear commentators about the future of this kid. And Jordan could see him as future star PG and we get a real chance at Kemba. I mean, I like Murrays defense now, especially on Curry or CP3 come playoffs. But as a PG he reminds me of DeColo, and it shivers me to think what Spurs could miss in return before it’s too late. Kawhi could play PFwd for Murray to work in the lineup, but Murray needs to hit those corner 3s. But Kemba is available now.

Murray's ceiling is much higher than De Colo's ever was. What an embarrassing comparison. Even if he amounts to nothing, he's still better than De Colo ever was or will be. Have people forgotten that he's only in his second season?

[szkorhetz]

I would actually thrown a lot in to get Kemba, but I highly doubt that would be enough.
I mean what else cen we offer than KA+Mills/Parker+Murray+1st for Kemba?
Add Gay and Marvin? Taking on Batum might work for me, but only if they take the albatross contracts of both Mills and Gasol, but it ain's happening.

[John B]

Murray's ceiling is much higher than De Colo's ever was. What an embarrassing comparison. Even if he amounts to nothing, he's still better than De Colo ever was or will be. Have people forgotten that he's only in his second season?

Even better. But I’d take winning now than potential. Kawhi/LMA/Kemba is not bad at all. And with All Star guard set at that position, it’s more attractive for other big FA to come knocking.

[SpurPadre]

LOL, comparing Murray to DeCulo...

[objective]

The more I think about it, the more obvious it is that if Philly wants him, they'll have him. No one else can compete with them.


I would actually thrown a lot in to get Kemba, but I highly doubt that would be enough.
I mean what else cen we offer than KA+Mills/Parker+Murray+1st for Kemba?
Add Gay and Marvin? Taking on Batum might work for me, but only if they take the albatross contracts of both Mills and Gasol, but it ain's happening.

If they would take Mills to go along with Murray, I would have no problem with the Spurs offering the 2018 first and the 2020 first with like a top 10 protection.

2 firsts for a 1.5 year rental is a lot, but they'd probably have to pay at least a first next summer to get off of Patty's last 2 years anyway.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, the NBA trade deadline thread wouldn't be complete without the goonies of spurstalk throwing Tony Parker's name in trade scenarios while thinking this year is going to be different than all the rest.

Fucking Groundhog Day in here every trade deadline. Parker will never be traded. :lol

[sasaint]

Fucking Groundhog Day in here every trade deadline. Parker will never be traded. :lol

True. I Got You, Babe! :lol

[bklynspursfan]

The Spurs are never trading Parker. Will you retards stop.

Idk why they don't realize that lol it's silly to include him in any of these scenarios

[ace3g]

Tony Jones @tribjazz
(https://twitter.com/tribjazz) 24m (https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/954799345764769792)
Rodney Hood is questionable tonight with "getting traded". Rudy Gobert is not on the injury report

[SAGirl]

Tony Jones @tribjazz
(https://twitter.com/tribjazz) 24m (https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/954799345764769792)
Rodney Hood is questionable tonight with "getting traded". Rudy Gobert is not on the injury report


:wow
that's a new one for me.

[tholdren]

Fucking Groundhog Day in here every trade deadline. Parker will never be traded. :lol

Awesome movie though

[szkorhetz]

:wow
that's a new one for me.
Hood is one of my pipe-dreams, TBH.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I want Kemba bad. This team is desperate for a quality PG. I like him and if the Spurs have to include Murray, I'll fly to the US, drive him to the airport and get him on that plane immediately. I'll pack his bags later and ship them to him later. Mills, I've already got his bags packed and have shipped them to Charlotte already. When he comes home from the game in Toronto, he won't find any of his belongings there.

Mate, you're better off bringing Mills back to Straya. He can play backup PG for the Illawarra Hawks.

[ace3g]

Pop raising Dejounte's trade value by starting him over Parker (who is playing today - first time TP played a game he didn't start since like 2010) :stirpot: I know a bit of a stretch.

[TheGreatYacht]

If you're doing ESPN trade machines and Green isn't part of them, get permabanned please.

[BatManu20]

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[Dex]

Hill sitting vs. Orlando tonight. Sounds like his ticket to Cleveland is coming soon.

[TD 21]

Despite the chemistry issues, pathetic defense and media clamoring, Cavaliers are not the upper echelon team most in need of a trade: Spurs are. None of the others has as gaping a hole as they do. Despite 2 being defensive liabilities, Cavs at least have a legit big 3.

[sasaint]

Hill sitting vs. Orlando tonight. Sounds like his ticket to Cleveland is coming soon.

I always thought he would find his way back to San Antonio. I sure don't want to see him in a Cavs uniform.

[ace3g]

The Kings have made Skal Labissiere (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/labissk01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Malachi Richardson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richama01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) available for a possible trade, Jason Jones of the Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article196287519.html) writes. Jones cites the possibly looming (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/cavs-kings-continue-to-discuss-george-hill.html) George Hill (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) trade as the driving factor behind their looking to unload a young player.

[Robz4000]

The Kings have made Skal Labissiere (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/labissk01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Malachi Richardson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richama01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) available for a possible trade, Jason Jones of the Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article196287519.html) writes. Jones cites the possibly looming (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/cavs-kings-continue-to-discuss-george-hill.html) George Hill (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) trade as the driving factor behind their looking to unload a young player.

Skal Labissiere for Lauvergne, do it!

[NASpurs]

Skal Labissiere for Lauvergne, do it!

Yes please.

[TheDoctor]

Hill sitting vs. Orlando tonight. Sounds like his ticket to Cleveland is coming soon.

LeBron's gonna fuck CLE like he fucked MIA w/ Nappier. He "wants" DeJounte and Hill will ends up in SA. Then LBJ bolts at the end of the Season :lol

[SpurPadre]

Skal Labissiere for Lauvergne, do it!

I'd be down for that, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Dude, Hill is able to be had for simply matching salary and a 2nd round pick. Wow.

[ElNono]

Dude, Hill is able to be had for simply matching salary and a 2nd round pick. Wow.

Why didn't we, tbh? smdh

[Chinook]

Would do Skal and their second for Paul and the Spurs' first.

[DPG21920]

I don’t like Skal. I know he’s playing well but I don’t like his game.

[ElNono]

I don't get how the Cavs just fart and trade junk for George Hill, and here we are trotting out poor's man Paul, Forbes, Bricktans and Joff...

[DPG21920]

I don't get how the Cavs just fart and trade junk for George Hill, and here we are trotting out poor's man Paul, Forbes, Bricktans and Joff...

Well it’s a catch 22. Spurs do a better job than the Cavs but that results in them having less trash to trade that is just expiring money.

[Robz4000]

Dude, Hill is able to be had for simply matching salary and a 2nd round pick. Wow.


I don't get how the Cavs just fart and trade junk for George Hill, and here we are trotting out poor's man Paul, Forbes, Bricktans and Joff...

Wait, did the trade happen already?

[SpurPadre]

I don’t like Skal. I know he’s playing well but I don’t like his game.

As opposed to Joffrey?

[SpurPadre]

Imagine if MJ was given the power to make trades on a whim in his playing days like Lebron does...he'd have 15 titles, tbh.

[ElNono]

Wait, did the trade happen already?

dont think so

[tholdren]

Imagine if MJ was given the power to make trades on a whim in his playing days like Lebron does...he'd have 15 titles, tbh.

Or if he went somewhere with 2 of the best players in the league... or if he didnt play baseball.... lebum doesnt come close.

[SpurPadre]

Or if he went somewhere with 2 of the best players in the league... or if he didnt play baseball.... lebum doesnt come close.

It's because of this that I have more respect for Kobe than Lebron, tbh...even though Kobe doesn't come close to MJ either.

[SAGirl]

The Kings have made Skal Labissiere (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/labissk01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Malachi Richardson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richama01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) available for a possible trade, Jason Jones of the Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article196287519.html) writes. Jones cites the possibly looming (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/cavs-kings-continue-to-discuss-george-hill.html) George Hill (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) trade as the driving factor behind their looking to unload a young player.
wow
it got real

[SAGirl]

I don't get how the Cavs just fart and trade junk for George Hill, and here we are trotting out poor's man Paul, Forbes, Bricktans and Joff...
Murray has given enough flashes to save the franchise. ... now they for real are standing pat.
they really should trade Mills though, but aren't going to.

Also, doubt Danny is traded unless it was for a haul but I don't consider him untouchable.

[Chinook]

Imagine if MJ was given the power to make trades on a whim in his playing days like Lebron does...he'd have 15 titles, tbh.

No he wouldn't. He'd have a roster full of Adam Morrisons and DJ Augustines.

[BatManu20]

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[tholdren]

No he wouldn't. He'd have a roster full of Adam Morrisons and DJ Augustines.

Both of whom would be superstars in todays nba.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills is more than expendable.

[gambit1990]

2018 NBA trade deadline: Each team's most untradeable contract




San Antonio Spurs

Player: Pau Gasol
Remaining contract: 3 years, $39.5 million
Why he's untradeable: Gasol opted out of his contract this summer, presumably to take a pay cut and help the Spurs build their roster. Instead he ended up signing a $48 million contract, most of which is guaranteed. Gasol's a smart player and has developed into a great rebounder and rim protector in his later years, but his lack of mobility makes him almost impossible to play during long stretches of the game. That will likely scare teams away from attempting to trade for the 37-year-old.




https://www.cbssports.com/nba/photos/2018-nba-trade-deadline-each-teams-most-untradeable-contract/28/

[Leetonidas]

I disagree with that tbh...Pau has actually been great for SA this season. And I looked yesterday and I'm pretty sure he was somewhere in the top 15 in DRPM. He is obviously an older, slower player but i really would not classify him as untradeable

[SAGirl]

disagree... I don't think he's untradeable. He has a high contract for a player his age, but he has played really well this season. He's not an unproductive contract.

A bad contract is PATTY MILLS. less than 6'0" tall gunner in a team that is now starting Murray and bringing Tony off the bench. I don't think he's untradeable either... but that is a high price and a long contract for a player whose only real NBA skill is shooting and has bench 8th man ceiling.

[dabom]

Patty Mills is a great contract you dumb fucks. :lol

[dabom]

A Closer for this team and ya think he has no value. :lmao

[dabom]

Do ya watch fucking basketball before spouting off bullshit. :lmao

[pad300]

Patty Mills is a great contract you dumb fucks. :lol


A Closer for this team and ya think he has no value. :lmao

Question Dabom, who would you trade Patty Mills for, straight up, including contracts...

[spurraider21]

Question Dabom, who would you trade Patty Mills for, straight up, including contracts...
i would trade him for 12 mil in cap space

[dabom]

Question Dabom, who would you trade Patty Mills for, straight up, including contracts...

There's a lot to this question. We probably value Patty more than any team. He fits in our team. He also has very good on court chemistry with Kawhi. He has tons of Playoff experience. Has shown that he can shoot when the pressure is on.

He is getting paid 12per for 4 years. That's 1/11 the total team salary. Like I've said, not even sixth man money. He is in his prime. Not a star but we know what we have with him. He is also dependable health wise. Lots of pluses here.

There are a lot of variables to look at when getting another player. How do they fit with our team. Would need time to integrate with players(who knows how much time that would be). What is their contract and their age. Those need to match.

What type of contract are they looking for and when is that. I don't think their is anything in the market for 12mil per that brings more than Patty to this team.

[dabom]

If we trade Patty, Murray and Parker are not reliable in a playoff series. That's facts. We would need a PG back. Sure Kemba sounds good but then he would want a bigger contract that we wouldn't give him. So we lose him in the future.

And I'm not so sure on him either. I don't see him fitting with this team at all. That's another long discussion.

And we probably want to find bigger fish like Lebron next year. If we get him, Patty is the perfect PG for both Lebron and Kawhi. Yeah I said Lebron. Deal wit it.

[exstatic]

Pau also doesn’t have 3 years remaining. When this season is over, he has one, plus a small (by current salary standards) buyout of like $6M. It’s practically an expiring.

[spurraider21]

If we trade Patty, Murray and Parker are not reliable in a playoff series. That's facts. We would need a PG back. Sure Kemba sounds good but then he would want a bigger contract that we wouldn't give him. So we lose him in the future.

And I'm not so sure on him either. I don't see him fitting with this team at all. That's another long discussion.

And we probably want to find bigger fish like Lebron next year. If we get him, Patty is the perfect PG for both Lebron and Kawhi. Yeah I said Lebron. Deal wit it.
patty has been a very reliable 36% three point specialist in the last 2 playoff runs :lol

[dabom]

patty has been a very reliable 36% three point specialist in the last 2 playoff runs :lol

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.551%TS

:lmao

Fucking faggot. :lmao

[dabom]

Averages a better TS in the playoffs than porker by a huge margin. :lmao

[dabom]

I still remember the Kawhi haters/porker slurpers. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

There's a lot to this question. We probably value Patty more than any team. He fits in our team. He also has very good on court chemistry with Kawhi. He has tons of Playoff experience. Has shown that he can shoot when the pressure is on.

He is getting paid 12per for 4 years. That's 1/11 the total team salary. Like I've said, not even sixth man money. He is in his prime. Not a star but we know what we have with him. He is also dependable health wise. Lots of pluses here.

There are a lot of variables to look at when getting another player. How do they fit with our team. Would need time to integrate with players(who knows how much time that would be). What is their contract and their age. Those need to match.

What type of contract are they looking for and when is that. I don't think their is anything in the market for 12mil per that brings more than Patty to this team.

When Kawhi gets Super Max and Aldridge is getting his money, Pattys salary becomes 25% of the remaining balance or 1/4 of the team salary. That is why his contract is bad. He's never even been a starter. He can spot up shoot the 3 and that's it.

Then look at the PG market last year, just about every point guard but 3 all signed 1+1 deals or 2 years guaranteed max. The only PGs that signed for more than 2 years guaranteed were Jrue and Teague ( two proven starters). Rose, Calderon, Mack, Collison, Milos, Jack, Rondo all signed for significantly less than Patty.

Overpaid.

Clueless baised emoji happy faggot. Now go get your shinebox.

[dabom]

When Kawhi gets Super Max and Aldridge is getting his money, Pattys salary becomes 25% of the remaining balance or 1/4 of the team salary. That is why his contract is bad. He's never even been a starter. He can spot up shoot the 3 and that's it.

Then look at the PG market last year, just about every point guard but 3 all signed 1+1 deals or 2 years guaranteed max. The only PGs that signed for more than 2 years guaranteed were Jrue and Teague ( two proven starters). Rose, Calderon, Mack, Collison, Milos, Jack, Rondo all signed for significantly less than Patty.

Overpaid.

Clueless baised emoji happy faggot. Now go get your shinebox.

Nothing you say makes sense faggot. :lmao

Get the fuck out of here. :lmao

[dabom]

You are now another poster I have destroyed. :lol

Such a shame.

[MaNu4Tres]

:lmao

[LittleCriminal]

Lakers Trade Rumors: Brandon Ingram, Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance Jr. To Spurs For Kawhi Leonard

[LittleCriminal]

lol NBA Rumors: Kawhi Leonard To Trail Blazers For C.J. McCollum & 1st-Round Picks In A Proposed Trade Deal

[BatManu20]

Lakers Trade Rumors: Brandon Ingram, Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance Jr. To Spurs For Kawhi Leonard

Lol

[LittleCriminal]

I wonder if these reporters just make these shit deals up or are they just that stupid..

[MultiTroll]

.571%TS
.551%TS

:lmao

Fucking faggot. :lmao
which is way down from his previous years where 4 of 5 playoffs he had true shooting of .600+
Makes up for his mini me defense which opponents easily exploit and all the other shit he doesn't do.
Getting bent over by Austin Rivers etc etc.

faggot.

[LittleCriminal]

According to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-things-are-getting-interesting-on-the-nba-trade-front/), “The Charlotte Hornets are rumored to have tried to engage on a Leonard deal built around Kemba Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkeke02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-)..... LOL

[tholdren]

If we trade Patty, Murray and Parker are not reliable in a playoff series. That's facts. We would need a PG back. Sure Kemba sounds good but then he would want a bigger contract that we wouldn't give him. So we lose him in the future.

And I'm not so sure on him either. I don't see him fitting with this team at all. That's another long discussion.

And we probably want to find bigger fish like Lebron next year. If we get him, Patty is the perfect PG for both Lebron and Kawhi. Yeah I said Lebron. Deal wit it.

Spurs bbiq would be the worst in the league with those three murray and aldridge

[dabom]

which is way down from his previous years where 4 of 5 playoffs he had true shooting of .600+
Makes up for his mini me defense which opponents easily exploit and all the other shit he doesn't do.
Getting bent over by Austin Rivers etc etc.

faggot.

So he played great in other series. And he still plays above role player status on a non even role player pay. :lol

[dabom]

According to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-things-are-getting-interesting-on-the-nba-trade-front/), “The Charlotte Hornets are rumored to have tried to engage on a Leonard deal built around Kemba Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkeke02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-)..... LOL

You put the phone on speaker and get more people to laugh at that bullshit. :lol

[LittleCriminal]

You put the phone on speaker and get more people to laugh at that bullshit. :lol

I know right, its baffling how these people get paid to write stupid fukkin trade articles.

[TD 21]

The Leonard situation won't be sorted out until the summer. If and when they offer the super max, if there's any trepidation, we'll know something is up. If he plays games, Celtics would be the overwhelming favorite to acquire him. Two high end prospects at his position, a multitude of high end picks and out of conference.

If they think or know there's something up and think or know a star acquisition would sway him, in case they're waffling on a full fledged Walker pursuit out of culture / loyalty, that should nudge them into it.

Walker probably only makes sense if Leonard stays (though, if they still want to attempt to remain as competitive as possible, a 9 man rotation of: Aldridge, Walker, Gasol, Green, Tatum, Brown, Williams, Parker, Anderson, would accomplish that) and he obviously doesn't in a deal for him.

[Leetonidas]

According to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-things-are-getting-interesting-on-the-nba-trade-front/), “The Charlotte Hornets are rumored to have tried to engage on a Leonard deal built around Kemba Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkeke02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-)..... LOL

Lol Charlotte could trade their entire roster and it wouldn't be enough

[r0drig0lac]

no team would take Pau Gasol today, and chiefly in this ridiculous contract

[Ice009]

According to Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-things-are-getting-interesting-on-the-nba-trade-front/), “The Charlotte Hornets are rumored to have tried to engage on a Leonard deal built around Kemba Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkeke02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-)..... LOL

Jordan is a huge fan of Kawhi. He really wants him bad IMO.

[Spurs da champs]

Jordan is a huge fan of Kawhi. He really wants him bad IMO.

Poor Mike, 100 Kembas aint worth 1 Kawhi.

[spursistan]

When Kawhi gets Super Max and Aldridge is getting his money, Pattys salary becomes 25% of the remaining balance or 1/4 of the team salary. That is why his contract is bad. He's never even been a starter. He can spot up shoot the 3 and that's it.

Then look at the PG market last year, just about every point guard but 3 all signed 1+1 deals or 2 years guaranteed max. The only PGs that signed for more than 2 years guaranteed were Jrue and Teague ( two proven starters). Rose, Calderon, Mack, Collison, Milos, Jack, Rondo all signed for significantly less than Patty.

Overpaid.

Clueless baised emoji happy faggot. Now go get your shinebox.

:wow :lmao..

At first, i thought that dude is either shticking or trolling. Not anymore, he might actually be mentally-challenged IRL..The impulsiveness with which he treats simple processes like reading comprehension and building a logical argument is rather concerning :lol ..

[lebomb]

There are only a few players I would trade Kawhi straight up for.............. Durant, Giannis, Embid (maybe), Porzingas and thats it. Everyone else has to come with a package period.

[Trueblood]

There are only a few players I would trade Kawhi straight up for.............. Durant, Giannis, Embid (maybe), Porzingas and thats it. Everyone else has to come with a package period.

AD?

[TimDunkem]

AD?

In before someone says he's too injury prone without realizing that he's averaging more games played per season than Kawhi at this point. :lol

[BillMc]

In before someone says he's too injury prone without realizing that he's averaging more games played per season than Kawhi at this point. :lol

Embid though is too injury prone, I think.

[gambit1990]

https://image.ibb.co/jYUjeG/rsz_screen_shot_2018_01_25_at_74557_pm.png

hornets give up kemba for unloading howard and batum. they receive a ton of cap space, TT, expiring contracts/players that might agree to get bought out.

batum's contract is awful but cavs would at least move $50+ million that's due to shump and jr.

kemba, isiah
crowder, korver, wade
lebron, batum, green
love
howard, bogut

best case: they somehow win
worse case: lebron leaves but cavs still have draft pick, kemba for a year, and dwight would at least be an expiring contract

[Chinook]

https://image.ibb.co/jYUjeG/rsz_screen_shot_2018_01_25_at_74557_pm.png

hornets give up kemba for unloading howard and batum. they receive a ton of cap space, TT, expiring contracts/players that might agree to get bought out.

batum's contract is awful but cavs would at least move $50+ million that's due to shump and jr.

kemba, isiah
crowder, korver, wade
lebron, batum, green
love
howard, bogut

best case: they somehow win
worse case: lebron leaves but cavs still have draft pick, kemba for a year, and dwight would at least be an expiring contract

Probably need to switch Jose or Rose out for Zizic or Osman at least. And you'd probably need to add a lot more. This doesn't actually save Charlotte money in the immediate future, and the upside of the players they'd be getting back is much lower than that of the players they are giving up. At best, they'd still have to actually "pay" for Kemba. The rest of the deal outside of Walker seems like a wash.

[ace3g]

Looks like if Hood is traded from the Jazz, Udoh is going with him. They have sat out the same amount of games recently:



E. Udoh (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4261/ekpe-udoh) C
Has not entered game


R. Hood (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581177/rodney-hood) SG
Has not entered game

[TimDunkem]

Danny Green and Lauvergne for Hood and Udoh.

[Chinook]

Danny Green and Lauvergne for Hood and Udoh.

That's a poor trade. I get that you're a Green hater, but even with that in mind, the team can't afford to pay Hood next season unless he's really awful.

[palangi]

Danny Green and Lauvergne for Hood and Udoh.

Make them take mills too. that'll free up money

[SAGirl]

Team is going to be in a jam with the contracts they gave this summer if they want to get someone different in. Trade seems like the only way to go.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 9h (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/957142604575109120)
Despite loss of Cousins for season, the Pelicans plan to remain active in acquiring talent prior to the Feb. 8 trade deadline, league sources tell ESPN.

[LittleCriminal]

Spurs Shutting Down Inquiries On Kawhi Leonard (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/kylers-latest-magic-walker-kawhi-bucks-blazers.html)


by Luke Adams



There’s a belief that the Hornets tried to engage the Spurs about a trade idea involving Walker and Kawhi Leonard (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), which may have been how the Walker rumors started, writes Kyler. Leonard was named specifically in Rick Bonnell’s recent Charlotte Observer story (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/michael-jordan-explains-stance-on-kemba-walker.html) as the type of All-Star the Hornets would want to get back for Walker, so there may be something to that theory. However, league sources tell Kyler that the Spurs have immediately shut down any inquiries they’ve received on Leonard.

[LittleCriminal]

Anderson, Lauvergne and Brandon Paul to the Nets for R Hollis Jefferson and J.Okafor

Would be a sweet..

[sasaint]

Anderson, Lauvergne and Brandon Paul to the Nets for R Hollis Jefferson and J.Okafor

Would be a sweet..

Works on the trade machine, but I doubt it works with Brooklyn. I wouldn't mind that trade RHJ would be a great pickup and, who knows, maybe Okafor could revive his game with the Spurs. I know you really want to move Kyle, but I am much keener on moving Patty and possibly Pau as first priorities.

[TimDunkem]

Patty must go.

[r0drig0lac]

Anderson, Lauvergne and Brandon Paul to the Nets for R Hollis Jefferson and J.Okafor

Would be a sweet..

Rondae in the current nba has more value than Pau Gasol for example, then the Nets would just laugh at this proposal

[TheGreatYacht]

Let's try and get a second round pick for anny Green and Kyle not Kuzma, before their contracts expire and they're headed to China

[TimDunkem]

Let's try and get a second round pick for anny Green and Kyle not Kuzma, before their contracts expire and they're headed to China

We all know PATFO already has D-League's new contract printed up and ready to sign. You're setting yourself up for disappointment, brah. They're still trying to recapture the magic of '14. :lol

[K...]

Spurs Shutting Down Inquiries On Kawhi Leonard (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/kylers-latest-magic-walker-kawhi-bucks-blazers.html)


by Luke Adams



There’s a belief that the Hornets tried to engage the Spurs about a trade idea involving Walker and Kawhi Leonard (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), which may have been how the Walker rumors started, writes Kyler. Leonard was named specifically in Rick Bonnell’s recent Charlotte Observer story (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/01/michael-jordan-explains-stance-on-kemba-walker.html) as the type of All-Star the Hornets would want to get back for Walker, so there may be something to that theory. However, league sources tell Kyler that the Spurs have immediately shut down any inquiries they’ve received on Leonard.




eh, they heard the rumor he was disgruntled and pitched an offer.

[TheGreatYacht]

We all know PATFO already has D-League's new contract printed up and ready to sign. You're setting yourself up for disappointment, brah. They're still trying to recapture the magic of '14. :lol
:lmao

Let me dream

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs get:
Will Barton
Kenneth Faried
Darrell Arthur

Nuggets get:
Danny Green
Kyle Anderson
Patty Mills
Bryn Forbes
2020 Spurs 1st round pick

Who says no?

[jermaine]

Spurs get:
Will Barton
Kenneth Faried
Darrell Arthur

Nuggets get:
Danny Green
Kyle Anderson
Patty Mills
Bryn Forbes
2020 Spurs 1st round pick

Who says no?

I'll take this

[TimDunkem]

Spurs get:
Will Barton
Kenneth Faried
Darrell Arthur

Nuggets get:
Danny Green
Kyle Anderson
Patty Mills
Bryn Forbes
2020 Spurs 1st round pick

Who says no?

Pop because he would be forced to take minutes from Ginose and/or Green and give them to Barton.

[LittleCriminal]

Works on the trade machine, but I doubt it works with Brooklyn. I wouldn't mind that trade RHJ would be a great pickup and, who knows, maybe Okafor could revive his game with the Spurs. I know you really want to move Kyle, but I am much keener on moving Patty and possibly Pau as first priorities.

Oh, I wanna move patty too btw..
I also doubt the nets would want these spur scrubs as well but one can dream..

[Robz4000]

Spurs get:
Will Barton
Kenneth Faried
Darrell Arthur

Nuggets get:
Danny Green
Kyle Anderson
Patty Mills
Bryn Forbes
2020 Spurs 1st round pick

Who says no?

Take out Forbes/Fathead and add Lauvergne. Not sure I'd throw in the 2020 first since there's a chance it's a solid lottery pick. Maybe next year's pick instead.

[ace3g]

If Spurs can pull a deal for SF depth, they need to do it.

[Chillen]

https://image.ibb.co/jYUjeG/rsz_screen_shot_2018_01_25_at_74557_pm.png

hornets give up kemba for unloading howard and batum. they receive a ton of cap space, TT, expiring contracts/players that might agree to get bought out.

batum's contract is awful but cavs would at least move $50+ million that's due to shump and jr.

kemba, isiah
crowder, korver, wade
lebron, batum, green
love
howard, bogut

best case: they somehow win
worse case: lebron leaves but cavs still have draft pick, kemba for a year, and dwight would at least be an expiring contract

Rose isn't getting traded, it would look bad on the Cavs part if they traded him on that low contract. Good deal for the Cavs if it happens minus Drose.

[sasaint]

If Spurs can pull a deal for SF depth, they need to do it.

... and legit PF/C depth, and a legit NBA PG, and more reliable 3-point shooter(s). But aside from that, we STACKED!

[r0drig0lac]

... and legit PF/C depth, and a legit NBA PG, and more reliable 3-point shooter(s). But aside from that, we STACKED!

Kawhi's superstar game in last season masked the weaknesses of roster spurs, these injuries have made it clear he does not have enough help, unlike the other superstars in the league

[LittleCriminal]

If Spurs can pull a deal for SF depth, they need to do it.

Use Anderson, Mills, Paul And Joff as stank bait to fish a deal for a Center or PF

Put Bertans at SF and Call up Blossomegame and white..

Wait for Leonard and Gay to return...

Season Saved

[sasaint]

Kawhi's superstar game in last season masked the weaknesses of roster spurs, these injuries have made it clear he does not have enough help, unlike the other superstars in the league

Very fragile team exposing not only how poor the rest of the rotation is, but how poor the staff is that put it together. If Kawhi is truly disgruntled, the changes that are coming will be huge.

[TD 21]

... and legit PF/C depth, and a legit NBA PG, and more reliable 3-point shooter(s). But aside from that, we STACKED!

All true, but 1 they can probably get away with if Aldridge and Gasol stay healthy and 3 should be somewhat fixed by a combination of 2 (plus, if Leonard gets healthy) and progression to the mean.

I hate to be redundant, but as pathetic as it is watching this team attempt to play offense (they drown in an endless stream of PnR's, DHO's and dribble weaves that go nowhere because no one can puncture the defense and force rotations), if Leonard can get healthy and they acquire Walker, they're probably the 2nd best team in the league. If not and they end up in the 4-5 match-up, they could easily be eliminated in the 1st round.

[K...]

The kawhi era was predicated on Leonard being healthy and pulling in a third star. WE wiffed. PATFO now gotta think about tank

[sasaint]

All true, but 1 they can probably get away with if Aldridge and Gasol stay healthy and 3 should be somewhat fixed by a combination of 2 (plus, if Leonard gets healthy) and progression to the mean.

I hate to be redundant, but as pathetic as it is watching this team attempt to play offense (they drown in an endless stream of PnR's, DHO's and dribble weaves that go nowhere because no one can puncture the defense and force rotations), if Leonard can get healthy and they acquire Walker, they're probably the 2nd best team in the league. If not and they end up in the 4-5 match-up, they could easily be eliminated in the 1st round.

You are not wrong - just more optimistic than I about fixing the PG position - especially with a player like Kemba. Could this be the year that PATFO make a splash at the deadline? In a normal team, Pop and RC would be feeling a lot of heat to straighten out this team. But on the Spurs, where Pop is also the president and the ownership is even more hands-off than they have been historically (possibly looking to sell the team...?), what pressure do Pop and RC feel?

[sasaint]

The kawhi era was predicated on Leonard being healthy and pulling in a third star. WE wiffed. PATFO now gotta think about tank

A tank this late in the season will barely land them in the lottery.

[LittleCriminal]

I think you guy are overlooking the fact the backup SF is not capable of putting up the offense that the Spurs need at the position.
The past 4 years He's always alone, unguarded in the corner all the time and still passes up wide open shots.
Time to ship him out while trolls give him all-star votes and still think he's the next Magic Johnson...

[cd021]

https://image.ibb.co/jYUjeG/rsz_screen_shot_2018_01_25_at_74557_pm.png

hornets give up kemba for unloading howard and batum. they receive a ton of cap space, TT, expiring contracts/players that might agree to get bought out.

batum's contract is awful but cavs would at least move $50+ million that's due to shump and jr.

kemba, isiah
crowder, korver, wade
lebron, batum, green
love
howard, bogut

best case: they somehow win
worse case: lebron leaves but cavs still have draft pick, kemba for a year, and dwight would at least be an expiring contract
Don't Jose and Rose have No trade clauses because they are one year deals?

[cd021]

A tank this late in the season will barely land them in the lottery.

The idea of tanking for a team that already has 32 wins is weird to me, especially when that would mean they'd be tanking for the 14th or 15th pick. I still think even if the Spurs fall to the 4th seed the they'd at least make the second and the WCF if Leonard is back and the Spurs get the 3 seed.

If the Spurs aren't planning on resigning Green, for whatever reason, then it may make sense- in this tanking scenario- to move Danny to Cleveland for Frye, their 2018 1st (currently the 22nd pick) and Zizic/ Osman.

[sasaint]

The idea of tanking for a team that already has 32 wins is weird to me, especially when that would mean they'd be tanking for the 14th or 15th pick. I still think even if the Spurs fall to the 4th seed the they'd at least make the second and the WCF if Leonard is back and the Spurs get the 3 seed.

If the Spurs aren't planning on resigning Green, for whatever reason, then it may make sense- in this tanking scenario- to move Danny to Cleveland for Frye, their 2018 1st (currently the 22nd pick) and Zizic/ Osman.

I wouldn't mind that trade. I don't really care about this Lost Season. Making it to the second round or WCF is not the goal. By trade and/or draft the Spurs need to focus on shedding the dead weight on the current roster and bringing in some talent to complement Kawhi. LMA does not. I think he is very expendable this off-season in order to improve Kawhi's supporting cast. Pop and RC should also be expendable, btw. This creaky offense built around two iso- players is pitiful.

[dbestpro]

I would really like to see that 50 game win streak continue even if we cannot get the ring.

[sasaint]

I would really like to see that 50 game win streak continue even if we cannot get the ring.

Tbh, I am torn. The 50-win streak is pretty cool, but would that be a crutch that Pop could use to justify the typically minimal moves PATFO make to re-load the team? If so, maybe losing the streak would be a catalyst to shake things up.

Question: How low would the Spurs have to go in order for the Holts to replace Pop and RC?

[CGD]

Probably more a next season trade, but what about Noah’s crap contract + Knicks 1st for Pau?

[SAGirl]

Tbh, I am torn. The 50-win streak is pretty cool, but would that be a crutch that Pop could use to justify the typically minimal moves PATFO make to re-load the team? If so, maybe losing the streak would be a catalyst to shake things up.

Question: How low would the Spurs have to go in order for the Holts to replace Pop and RC?
I have been thinking about this and based on the recent Pop and players' interviews I think Pop is just focused on getting the guys that are injured back 100% healthy to try to put together a winning run when they are 100%.

The team not being whole, missing 2 top 3 scorers explains all that ails them, before they get to anyone or anything else.

Meantime, they are focused on Dijon's development, as well as trying to optimize the guys they have right now available. They will only be under pressure with a fully healthy team that is losing games and that has not happened this season. Also the significance of the injured players matters.

If Kawhi never gets health, this roster doesn't matter. It was built around him and he's missed over 40 games while most of the FEW he played he was insevere minutes restrictions and out of rhythm and not 100%.

Basically whatever they can do to advance the development of their young players who need experience and will struggle at times is about all they can do right now. I do wish that everyone gets healthy after the ASB else so we can really weigh in.

[r0drig0lac]

If Kawhi never gets health, this roster doesn't matter. It was built around him

no, their superstar game masked that the rest of the roster is very weak (logically this should have become clear in WCFgm1), they never created a list to maximize Kawhi's strengths

[TheGreatYacht]

Tbh, I am torn. The 50-win streak is pretty cool, but would that be a crutch that Pop could use to justify the typically minimal moves PATFO make to re-load the team? If so, maybe losing the streak would be a catalyst to shake things up.

Question: How low would the Spurs have to go in order for the Holts to replace Pop and RC?
Not much lower. 1 ring in a decade with the amount of franchise players Sam Presti and the Pacers gave us? Inexcusable.

I'd think some albatross Danny G-League & Fathead extensions would seal the deal

[cd021]

Probably more a next season trade, but what about Noah’s crap contract + Knicks 1st for Pau?

Knicks would most likely stretch and waive him than give up a lottery pick. After this season, Noah is owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons but that means if they stretch him then they could divide that over the next five seasons at about $7.5 million a season, its not great for them but it beats chasing an bad idea [of signing him in the first place] with another [ giving up a possible lottery pick to be rid of him].

[SAGirl]

no, their superstar game masked that the rest of the roster is very weak (logically this should have become clear in WCFgm1), they never created a list to maximize Kawhi's strengths
I do think they carry vestiges from another era...

But one has to think the guys they have signed, specially the FA were all about Kawhi bc if not, who?

Draft picks you basically get whoever is available at 30, 29, 28 from the list of guys they liked. One can criticize not getting Bell for example but that's basically a scouting deficiency if you want to criticize picks. It's always unknown if late picks will pan out anyways or how good they will be.

However FA signings like Patty and Pau.... One has to Think their shooting skill complements Kawhi. I don't like the Patty contract and have been critical of it, but I figured they think he complements Kiwi, same with getting shooting bigs to play with him so he has space... Without Kawhi some guys don't make sense... Like why pay Patty this much if you need ballhandlers and real playmakers? The only way they would feel comfortable about that I think is that they were planning on playing Kawhi on the ball a lot and needed off the ball players.

Kawhi not playing has exposed some deficiencies but they were deficiencies they could live with bc they were counting with Kawhi's game.

If they haven't built around Kiwi then who?

[Chillen]

Probably more a next season trade, but what about Noah’s crap contract + Knicks 1st for Pau?

I wouldn't trade Pau for Noah and a 1st round pick, Pau is to valuable to this team at this point and the better player. Besides Noah potentially could get bought out and I hope he signs with Cavs (LOL).

[Chinook]

no, their superstar game masked that the rest of the roster is very weak (logically this should have become clear in WCFgm1), they never created a list to maximize Kawhi's strengths

Kawhi boosted the roster. He didn't mask shit. I don't know what people expected a Spurs team without Kawhi to look like, but third in the West without a top-five player from last year is pretty amazing. As far as the actual issues with the roster, Kawhi didn't mask those either. The lack of quality guard play and play-making was an issue when he was on the court too, and it cost the teams wins.

[Hoops Czar]

Kawhi boosted the roster. He didn't mask shit. I don't know what people expected a Spurs team without Kawhi to look like, but third in the West without a top-five player from last year is pretty amazing. As far as the actual issues with the roster, Kawhi didn't mask those either. The lack of quality guard play and play-making was an issue when he was on the court too, and it cost the teams wins.

Speaks more to the degregation of the league than anything the Spurs have done specifically this season. The Spurs are 14-4 last two seasons with a double digit point differential without Kawhi. I don't know what team your watching out there but this year's team isn't even in the same zip code as the Spurs teams of the past two years. They're going backwards and after this past offseason, they don't have the cap space to fix it. Heck WITH Kawhi, they're only 5-4 which includes losses to the hapless Clippers who couldn't buy a win at the time, Dallas and Detroit. This is not a good basketball team.

[Chinook]

Speaks more to the degregation of the league than anything the Spurs have done specifically this season. The Spurs are 14-4 last two seasons with a double digit point differential without Kawhi. I don't know what team your watching out there but this year's team isn't even in the same zip code as the Spurs teams of the past two years. They're going backwards and after this past offseason, they don't have the cap space to fix it. Heck WITH Kawhi, they're only 5-4 which includes losses to the hapless Clippers who couldn't buy a win at the time, Dallas and Detroit. This is not a good basketball team.

The argument that the West sucks died a year ago. It's tougher than it has been in quite a while right now. Anyways, the team is way more talented than they were last year. They are hurt and may never get healthy. But if a "not good" basketball team can get ahead of several teams with multiple All-NBA --caliber guys it speaks to their relative talent level. Of course they aren't as good without Kawhi. And they aren't as good without Gay and without rhythm. Only dumbasses expected them to be. But for some reason, a lot of people DID expect them to be better than they are despite their injuries. And that's what's really stupid. You wanna talk about their lower 2K rating? I can get with you. You wanna say they have been bad this year? I think you're delusional.

What we are seeing now is that an MVP-caliber player is the difference between a contender and a top playoff team that is ultimately not a true contender. Who the fuck woulda thunk it?

[dabom]

The argument that the West sucks died a year ago. It's tougher than it has been in quite a while right now. Anyways, the team is way more talented than they were last year. They are hurt and may never get healthy. But if a "not good" basketball team can get ahead of several teams with multiple All-NBA --caliber guys it speaks to their relative talent level. Of course they aren't as good without Kawhi. And they aren't as good without Gay and without rhythm. Only dumbasses expected them to be. But for some reason, a lot of people DID expect them to be better than they are despite their injuries. And that's what's really stupid. You wanna talk about their lower 2K rating? I can get with you. You wanna say they have been bad this year? I think you're delusional.

What we are seeing now is that an MVP-caliber player is the difference between a contender and a top playoff team that is ultimately not a true contender. Who the fuck woulda thunk it?

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

The argument that the West sucks died a year ago. It's tougher than it has been in quite a while right now. Anyways, the team is way more talented than they were last year. They are hurt and may never get healthy. But if a "not good" basketball team can get ahead of several teams with multiple All-NBA --caliber guys it speaks to their relative talent level. Of course they aren't as good without Kawhi. And they aren't as good without Gay and without rhythm. Only dumbasses expected them to be. But for some reason, a lot of people DID expect them to be better than they are despite their injuries. And that's what's really stupid. You wanna talk about their lower 2K rating? I can get with you. You wanna say they have been bad this year? I think you're delusional.

What we are seeing now is that an MVP-caliber player is the difference between a contender and a top playoff team that is ultimately not a true contender. Who the fuck woulda thunk it?

All of this. Those last 2 sentences seems to be lost on so many people here

[objective]

Spurs still have their cash considerations to spend. I think they could pay enough to cover this year and next year's Joffrey deal with extra on top to a team with space or a trade exception.

[Hoops Czar]

The argument that the West sucks died a year ago. It's tougher than it has been in quite a while right now. Anyways, the team is way more talented than they were last year. They are hurt and may never get healthy. But if a "not good" basketball team can get ahead of several teams with multiple All-NBA --caliber guys it speaks to their relative talent level. Of course they aren't as good without Kawhi. And they aren't as good without Gay and without rhythm. Only dumbasses expected them to be. But for some reason, a lot of people DID expect them to be better than they are despite their injuries. And that's what's really stupid. You wanna talk about their lower 2K rating? I can get with you. You wanna say they have been bad this year? I think you're delusional.

What we are seeing now is that an MVP-caliber player is the difference between a contender and a top playoff team that is ultimately not a true contender. Who the fuck woulda thunk it?

Let me see if I get this straight.

Laughverne, > Dedmon? :lmao:lmao
BP3 > Simmons? :lmao:lmao
Parker 2017-18 > Parker 2017-18? :lmao:lmao
Bryn Forbes and Davis Bertans as KEY rotation players? :lmao:lmao:lmao
Paddy Mills is a pg :lmao:lmao
2017-18 Spurs > 2016-17 Spurs? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
The king of delusion is call me delusional? :lmao:lmao

It takes a special kind of stupid to think this team is better than last Year's team. WITH or WITHOUT Kawhi, they aren't contenders. The rhythm aspect is dually noted Chinook however, you can put lipstick on a pick, but it's still a pig. No matter how the Spurs so choose to dress up their scrubs, they're still scrubs no matter how in rhythm they are.

[Chinook]

Let me see if I get this straight.

Laughverne, > Dedmon? :lmao:lmao
BP3 > Simmons? :lmao:lmao
Parker 2017-18 > Parker 2017-18? :lmao:lmao
Bryn Forbes and Davis Bertans as KEY rotation players? :lmao:lmao:lmao
Paddy Mills is a pg :lmao:lmao
2017-18 Spurs > 2016-17 Spurs? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
The king of delusion is call me delusional? :lmao:lmao

It takes a special kind of stupid to think this team is better than last Year's team. WITH or WITHOUT Kawhi, they aren't contenders. The rhythm aspect is dually noted Chinook however, you can put lipstick on a pick, but it's still a pig. No matter how the Spurs so choose to dress up their scrubs, they're still scrubs no matter how in rhythm they are.

Gay is better than Simmons and Dedmon combined, and since he will be taking those minutes, that's the better comparison. Forbes now is better than Forbes before, which is all that matter for a guy who figures to only get very situation minutes. However, yeah, he's at least as good as Simmons was. Jon wasn't good last year -- he just had a volume-shooting series against GS to get hype.

Most of the things you're trying to laugh about are focused on the 9th-13th men on the roster. Of course those guys aren't as good as the rotation players of last year -- they aren't competing with those guys. Again, trying to criticize the team's performance this year given how much they are playing their deep bench is really dumb. Pretty much no other team (besides Golden State and maybe Boston and Houston for spurts) is going to win games missing their top guy and multiple other rotation players. If you told anyone before this year began that the team would be where they are now with Kawhi missing half the season, not even optimists like BSF would have believed it. That's why it's utter bullshit to see the same krew try to clam victory now.

They want to say ":lol This team without Kawhi won't get out of the second round :lol" when they were saying ":lol This is a lottery team without Kawhi :lol" It takes a certain kind of cluelessness to feel vindicated for shitting on the non-Kawhi roster.

[Hoops Czar]

Gay is better than Simmons and Dedmon combined, and since he will be taking those minutes, that's the better comparison. Forbes now is better than Forbes before, which is all that matter for a guy who figures to only get very situation minutes. However, yeah, he's at least as good as Simmons was. Jon wasn't good last year -- he just had a volume-shooting series against GS to get hype.

Most of the things you're trying to laugh about are focused on the 9th-13th men on the roster. Of course those guys aren't as good as the rotation players of last year -- they aren't competing with those guys. Again, trying to criticize the team's performance this year given how much they are playing their deep bench is really dumb. Pretty much no other team (besides Golden State and maybe Boston and Houston for spurts) is going to win games missing their top guy and multiple other rotation players. If you told anyone before this year began that the team would be where they are now with Kawhi missing half the season, not even optimists like BSF would have believed it. That's why it's utter bullshit to see the same krew try to clam victory now.

They want to say ":lol This team without Kawhi won't get out of the second round :lol" when they were saying ":lol This is a lottery team without Kawhi :lol" It takes a certain kind of cluelessness to feel vindicated for shitting on the non-Kawhi roster.

Your infatuation with Rudy Gay is quite alarming considering he isn't healthy and hasn't been for quite some time. Of course, that should come as a surprise to no one since his entire career has been marred by injury. The Rudy Gay you know and love is s career stat padder who's only playoff appearance was due in large part to him being out of the lineup, and when he came back, they promptly got bounced out in the first round. Better than Simmons? Who the hell isn't? Better than Dedmon, It's debatable and in some cases situational.

Forbes 'before' was unplayable, Forbes 'now' is virtually unplayable. I guess you've got me there though he's still a scrub and he's receiving regular rotation minutes and in some cases, closing games even with a healthy Ginobili. That doesn't sound like guy who's getting situational minutes..

I remember back during the 2016 season, I criticized Pop for his regular season rotations and I was reassured by many of the know-it-alls that it was just the regular season and when the playoffs came, it would be a different story. Yeah, and then the OKC series happened. I know you think that the 9-13 guys on the roster won't be impactful when the season matters but we've seen from past experiences that this isn't the case. Pop always plays a deep bench and this team is far less competitive than in year's past when they've had to stretch the bench to win games. Nobody said they have to win all their games but to have a bottom third offense, a losing record on the road, getting clowned against .500 teams at home, losing to the Hawks, getting bitch slapped by the Lakers and getting pummeled by the Orlando Magic. No Leonard, but they still have All-Star Aldridge and Pau Gasol on the court. There's zero excuses for losing to some of the worst teams in the league because Kawhi didn't play. And if that is the case, then that's all the vindication one needs to realize this roster beyond Kawhi really stinks.

[CGD]

Knicks would most likely stretch and waive him than give up a lottery pick. After this season, Noah is owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons but that means if they stretch him then they could divide that over the next five seasons at about $7.5 million a season, its not great for them but it beats chasing an bad idea [of signing him in the first place] with another [ giving up a possible lottery pick to be rid of him].

I would think too, but the reporting seems to be that they are trying to shed his salary, teams asking for the pick, and Knicks saying no at this point. I think it’s probably a next season thing, but an interesting prossibility given the flexibility of Pau’s last year, and the spurs needed to show Leonard something.

The other similarly situated team is Phoenix with right combo of picks and bad contract long term (Brandon knight).

[TD 21]

You are not wrong - just more optimistic than I about fixing the PG position - especially with a player like Kemba. Could this be the year that PATFO make a splash at the deadline? In a normal team, Pop and RC would be feeling a lot of heat to straighten out this team. But on the Spurs, where Pop is also the president and the ownership is even more hands-off than they have been historically (possibly looking to sell the team...?), what pressure do Pop and RC feel?

Unless they're feeling the heat from Leonard, I fully expect them to do nothing and blame their impending 1st or 2nd round flameout on either injuries or lack of rhythm due to them.

That is a typical star trade though (pick, prospect, veteran, long term salary relief). Sure, Murray isn't as good or at least doesn't have the cache of the typical prospect in a star package, but Walker is a lesser star playing the league's most saturated position and they're determined to rid themselves of a bloated contract in the process.



I have been thinking about this and based on the recent Pop and players' interviews I think Pop is just focused on getting the guys that are injured back 100% healthy to try to put together a winning run when they are 100%.

The team not being whole, missing 2 top 3 scorers explains all that ails them, before they get to anyone or anything else.

Meantime, they are focused on Dijon's development, as well as trying to optimize the guys they have right now available. They will only be under pressure with a fully healthy team that is losing games and that has not happened this season. Also the significance of the injured players matters.

If Kawhi never gets health, this roster doesn't matter. It was built around him and he's missed over 40 games while most of the FEW he played he was insevere minutes restrictions and out of rhythm and not 100%.

Basically whatever they can do to advance the development of their young players who need experience and will struggle at times is about all they can do right now. I do wish that everyone gets healthy after the ASB else so we can really weigh in.

That doesn't at all explain what ails them. Leonard and Gay are ISO scorers. With how putrid this offense is, that will obviously help somewhat, but what really ails them is the lack of a player who can break down the defense and create for others.

They can fool the blind faith and casuals with this 61 win, up 25 vs Warriors in game 1, but the realistic fans and people who cover the league know this gaping hole prevents them from being taken seriously.

I don't think the team was built around Leonard. I think the team was built with, in their mind, the best talent they thought fit into their precious culture / "system", who they could afford and were willing to play here. As good as Leonard is, he's not Jordan or James and even them, in the current state of the league, wouldn't be contending for a championship without another perimeter star.

[SAGirl]

TD 21 do you really think they are after Kemba? We haven’t heard any rumors.

The timing with starting Dejounte is suspicious, but it’s starting to seem more like Pop is just going to develop the kid and keep him.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They can fool the blind faith and casuals with this 61 win, up 25 vs Warriors in game 1, but the realistic fans and people who cover the league know this gaping hole prevents them from being taken seriously.


This only matters because GS have a historically stacked team. Against anyone else the Spurs are good enough to compete and would probably even be favorites when healthy. There's nothing personnel-wise they can do right now to catch up with GS's talent level.

[DPG21920]

:lol I mean listen to what you are saying. “Can’t fool me with a WCF team” :lol

GS is stacked. Congrats to them. What do you want SA to do and outline a plan that would get them as much talent as GS that is realistic. I will wait.

[TD 21]

No one is talking about matching Warriors talent level, you apologists. Why is it too much to ask for a legit starting PG and low level 2nd perimeter star for a team supposedly trying to contend for a championship? Every other team trying to do so has one.

:lol Repeatedly citing the fools gold WCF because the West was weak last season. Context is everything. Were the '13 Grizzlies, '15 Hawks, '16 Raptors, '17 Celtics, etc. "contenders", too?




TD 21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781)
do you really think they are after Kemba? We haven’t heard any rumors.

The timing with starting Dejounte is suspicious, but it’s starting to seem more like Pop is just going to develop the kid and keep him.


No. Think they need to either get the sense from Leonard's "camp" that they need to do something to appease him or watch this team get healthy, yet still either lose in the 1st round to Timberwolves or Thunder (if they fall to 4 or 5) or get shredded by Rockets in 2nd round, before they get off their high horse and start to take a serious look in the mirror at the personnel and their archaic style of play.

[DPG21920]

If it was so weak how come these other teams didn’t make it, but SA?

[DPG21920]

Please outline your plan on what SA could have done to accomplish what you say within the realm of reality.

[dabom]

Obviously we need 2 more Allstars...

[dabom]

And cheap contracts.


















Or fathead gone.

[r0drig0lac]

walls of text without content as usual

1 - Nothing guarantees that Rudy Gay can be productive with the recent injury (so to say that it "Rudy Gay is better that someone" is completely subjective when he can not stay on court)

2-Again analyzing the numbers without context (a spurstalk tradition), when people find the spurs in the 3rd seed I see a team that has a negative record away and lost to teams like Hawks (the worst team in the league) and Lolkers, and looked like a d-league team against the talented and athletic 76ers (who is struggling to get into the playoffs in the pathetic east)

3- And all these fights having the so-called "all star" Aldridge, then again: Kawhi Leonard DOES NOT HAVE enough help, unlike the others STARS in the league

[LittleCriminal]

And cheap contracts.


















Or fathead gone.

agree with that last part..

[LittleCriminal]

Boston Celtics: Constructing a trade for Kawhi Leonard

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/01/28/constructing-a-trade-for-kawhi-leonard/

[Chinook]

walls of text without content as usual

This post from you is longer than the one of mine you responded to.


2-Again analyzing the numbers without context (a spurstalk tradition), when people find the spurs in the 3rd seed I see a team that has a negative record away and lost to teams like Hawks (the worst team in the league) and Lolkers, and looked like a d-league team against the talented and athletic 76ers (who is struggling to get into the playoffs in the pathetic east)

You call this "context"? It's bullshit. Being the third-seed is what matters, not having a positive road record in a half of a season when they are missing their best guys. The team also lost to LAL last year, and pissing on the Sixers who have been arguably the best team over the past month is just ignorant. Learn your own context, man.


3- And all these fights having the so-called "all star" Aldridge, then again: Kawhi Leonard DOES NOT HAVE enough help, unlike the others STARS in the league

Are you just trolling at this point? Bitching about LMA because he can't carry a team to better than the third seed with all these injuries while also bitching about KAWHI not having help? If Leonard is so great that he didn't need help, then why on Earth would it not be understandable for even a good team to struggle without him?

[dabom]

Boston Celtics: Constructing a trade for Kawhi Leonard

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/01/28/constructing-a-trade-for-kawhi-leonard/

:lol

[DPG21920]

Boston Celtics: Constructing a trade for Kawhi Leonard

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/01/28/constructing-a-trade-for-kawhi-leonard/

:lmao

[LittleCriminal]

:lmao

I totally agree with ur response..
still can't believe they actually get paid to write this shit..

[Hoops Czar]

You call this "context"? It's bullshit. Being the third-seed is what matters, not having a positive road record in a half of a season when they are missing their best guys. The team also lost to LAL last year, and pissing on the Sixers who have been arguably the best team over the past month is just ignorant. Learn your own context, man.


Yeah, holding on to third in the west by a thread with Minnesota and OKC gaining fast and while playing the 4th easiest schedule in the NBA. It's about to get real up in here. Are you wearing your hard hat?

[Chinook]

Yeah, holding on to third in the west by a thread with Minnesota and OKC gaining fast and while playing the 4th easiest schedule in the NBA. It's about to get real up in here. Are you wearing your hard hat?

Let me guess: You think those teams will overtake SA because of their "stars" while also pretending like the Spurs missing their star doesn't really matter? Come on dude, you're tossing softballs.

[BillMc]

Boston Celtics: Constructing a trade for Kawhi Leonard

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/01/28/constructing-a-trade-for-kawhi-leonard/

Celtic still salty about missing out on Duncan 20 years ago. :lol

[CGD]

Boston Celtics: Constructing a trade for Kawhi Leonard

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/01/28/constructing-a-trade-for-kawhi-leonard/

Lol

But if it did come to it, Boston wouldn’t be a bad partner (Brown, Tatum would have to be bare bones, not either or as the article cutely suggests).

But realistically, if the dubious claim that things are bad with Leonard, the only player I’d listen on for Leonard at this point is AD.

[ace3g]

Ronald Tillery @CAGrizBeat
(https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat)

Not confirmed. But don't be surprised if Tyreke Evans is moved to Boston

[Hoops Czar]

Ronald Tillery @CAGrizBeat
(https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat)

Not confirmed. But don't be surprised if Tyreke Evans is moved to Boston


Boston cares.

[TimDunkem]

Damn great move for Boston if it happens. Tyreke is a legit 6th man of the year candidate.

Ainge playing chess while Drunkford plays with his poop.

[Hoops Czar]

Let me guess: You think those teams will overtake SA because of their "stars" while also pretending like the Spurs missing their star doesn't really matter? Come on dude, you're tossing softballs.

I'm curious as to why you mention other teams as having "star(s)" and the Spurs have a "star". Did someone forget to mention that LMA is suppose to be a star Though you wouldn't know it by his first half performance. Are the Spurs suppose to be beating the Kings at the half without Kawhi?

[SAGirl]

Ronald Tillery @CAGrizBeat
(https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat)

Not confirmed. But don't be surprised if Tyreke Evans is moved to Boston

It would be sad if Spurs keep standing pat.

[Spurs da champs]

Ronald Tillery @CAGrizBeat
(https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat)

Not confirmed. But don't be surprised if Tyreke Evans is moved to Boston


Deadly 6th man.

[Chinook]

I'm curious as to why you mention other teams as having "star(s)" and the Spurs have a "star". Did someone forget to mention that LMA is suppose to be a star Though you wouldn't know it by his first half performance. Are the Spurs suppose to be beating the Kings at the half without Kawhi?

They should win this game, yes. No rarely do teams win every game they're supposed to win and lose every game they're supposed to lose.

[TD 21]

If it was so weak how come these other teams didn’t make it, but SA?

Because someone had to make it opposite Warriors. Rockets easily could (and should) have. Spurs pulling game 5 out of their ass and following it up by playing out of their mind the next game and a half led to the apologists and casuals thinking they were better than they were.

That team was fools gold just like the previous 2 iterations were and this one is. You can't win a championship in this league anymore without an explosive offense. That entails multiple perimeter stars (at least one super), that can breakdown the defense and create for others, pace and space.

Way to evade my question.



Please outline your plan on what SA could have done to accomplish what you say within the realm of reality.

They likely could have signed Evans for less than half of what Gay got. Believe Collison was another alternative, if they let Mills walk and didn't sign Gay.

Even if they didn't upgrade the back court, they still could have given Gasol a more appropriate contract and let Mills walk.

[MaNu4Tres]

Because someone had to make it opposite Warriors. Rockets easily could (and should) have. Spurs pulling game 5 out of their ass and following it up by playing out of their mind the next game and a half led to the apologists and casuals thinking they were better than they were.

That team was fools gold just like the previous 2 iterations were and this one is. You can't win a championship in this league anymore without an explosive offense. That entails multiple perimeter stars (at least one super), that can breakdown the defense and create for others, pace and space.

Way to evade my question.




They likely could have signed Evans for less than half of what Gay got. Believe Collison was another alternative, if they let Mills walk and didn't sign Gay.

Even if they didn't upgrade the back court, they still could have given Gasol a more appropriate contract and let Mills walk.

Yeah the Mills deal was ridiculous.

It wasn't even 2 months into the 4 year deal when he was expendable.

[TD 21]

Yeah the Mills deal was ridiculous.

It wasn't even 2 months into the 4 year deal when he was expendable.

That and just a total misread of the market. That and the Felicio one were prime examples of deals agreed to in principal beforehand by 2 teams that clearly didn't see the changing landscape coming.

I repeatedly alluded to it, saying throughout the season that the likes of Mills and Hill weren't getting the numbers often bandied about. Most over saturated position + market correction from the previous 2 summers and cap space drying up.

[Hoops Czar]

Even if they didn't upgrade the back court, they still could have given Gasol a more appropriate contract and let Mills walk.
While this is true in theory, it was an impossibility. Pau and the Spurs had a wink, wink deal in place to get him to opt out of his contract. The loyalty factor made it impossible for him to make less than for what he opted out for and the Patfo always has to put the cherry on top of the hot fudge sundae by guaranteeing him an extra 1-2 years.

[TD 21]

While this is true in theory, it was an impossibility. Pau and the Spurs had a wink, wink deal in place to get him to opt out of his contract. The loyalty factor made it impossible for him to make less than for what he opted out for and the Patfo always have to put the cherry on top of the hot fudge sundae by guaranteeing him an extra 1-2 years.

I know, but they gave Gasol too much leverage. If that was going to be what it took if they missed on Paul, they should have tried to trade him into Timberwolves' cap space before they signed Gibson. They were interested the prior off season.

[ace3g]

10 days till the Trade Deadline

[MaNu4Tres]

Just trying to understand Kawhis view if his number 1 goal is to win titles.

If Kawhi signs super max this summer, that would mean LA & Kawhi would account for 60-65 million of the cap. Which means, 30% of remaining salary is going to Mills, and are they going to give Tony another deal? Do they really care about winning titles or just taking care of family?

If I was Kawhi I'd be worried about the Patty deal & upcoming TP free agency.

Spurs need to shed as much redundancy and maximize financial flexibility til the right move comes along, and if you whiff, just use the space to take on a large 1 year deal from a team flirting with cap or lux apron -- get a pick tied to taking on salary for a year then try in FA again following summer.

If I wanted to win titles, I'd be worried moving forward with an Aldridge, Patty, Pau, TP core making most of the money.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It would be sad if Spurs keep standing pat.

Would you give this year's first round pick to increase their ceiling from 1st round fodder to 2nd round fodder or similar?

[SAGirl]

Would you give this year's first round pick to increase their ceiling from 1st round fodder to 2nd round fodder or similar?
Not about this season but about the future for me.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not about this season but about the future for me.

Not sure I understood. So you're not giving up the pick and would prefer the Spurs to stand pat, or you'd send it for a half a year rental like Evans or someone of that ilk?

I'd prefer them to keep the pick and to not do something crazy. There's no one they can realistically acquire that would make a difference this season ( and no, Kemba isn't coming for a late pick ).

[SAGirl]

Not sure I understood. So you're not giving up the pick and would prefer the Spurs to stand pat, or you'd send it for a half a year rental like Evans or someone of that ilk?
I wouldn’t make a move for a player that was going to be here just half a season. I would be willing to make a move for someone that helps out now and long term, which is why I liked Irving and although a lesser star, Kemba. I wouldn’t give up a pick for Tyreke... unless the Spurs has stashing in mind... (which only they would know) I don’t value stashing as much as I used to.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wouldn’t make a move for a player that was going to be here just half a season. I would be willing to make a move for someone that helps out now and long term, which is why I liked Irving and although a lesser star, Kemba. I wouldn’t give up a pick for Tyreke... unless the Spurs has stashing in mind... (which only they would know) I don’t value stashing as much as I used to.

I agree, but that pick isn't worth a Kemba or anyone like that. They might need it to dump a contract in the summer. I'd rather they keep it and stand pat.

[szkorhetz]

Deadly 6th man.
I would actually take him as our starting PG, TBH.

[SAGirl]

I agree, but that pick isn't worth a Kemba or anyone like that. They might need it to dump a contract in the summer. I'd rather they keep it and stand pat.
That’s reasonable. we shall see if Pop is reasonable and uses it for something effective (not stashing)...
I do have a feeling they need to make changes and whether they happen now or in the summer don’t matter to me.

[sasaint]

That’s reasonable. we shall see if Pop is reasonable and uses it for something effective (not stashing)...
I do have a feeling they need to make changes and whether they happen now or in the summer don’t matter to me.

Yep. This is The Lost Season, so I would just as soon do what Pop is currently doing. See if there are any real keepers among the young guys, see if Dijon will develop and save any moves until the season ends.

[r0drig0lac]

I would actually take him as our starting PG, TBH.

[ElNono]

Just trying to understand Kawhis view if his number 1 goal is to win titles.

If Kawhi signs super max this summer, that would mean LA & Kawhi would account for 60-65 million of the cap. Which means, 30% of remaining salary is going to Mills, and are they going to give Tony another deal? Do they really care about winning titles or just taking care of family?

If I was Kawhi I'd be worried about the Patty deal & upcoming TP free agency.

Spurs need to shed as much redundancy and maximize financial flexibility til the right move comes along, and if you whiff, just use the space to take on a large 1 year deal from a team flirting with cap or lux apron -- get a pick tied to taking on salary for a year then try in FA again following summer.

If I wanted to win titles, I'd be worried moving forward with an Aldridge, Patty, Pau, TP core making most of the money.

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

[Snaq O'Meal]

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

Kawhi will not buy into that shit. He already saw how PATFO squandered money on fat hobbits.

[NASpurs]

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.

If that's true and let's say he'll sign for less... I wonder if Kawhi will have demands concerning the roster (if the stories are true that he doesn't like the roster and the way the team is trending).

[SAGirl]

They're going to try to lowball Kawhi, tell him that if he wants to win he needs to take less than the supermax... watch.
I'd tell them to get rid of Patty or someone else.. Kiwi needs to get healthy though.

[Chinook]

I agree, but that pick isn't worth a Kemba or anyone like that. They might need it to dump a contract in the summer. I'd rather they keep it and stand pat.
There's the middle ground of getting a young player on a cheap contract with the pick in a trade rather than using it in the draft. That would be the motivation behind trading for Skal or Zizic (as part of a three-team trade where the other team wanted a pick instead of Zizic). I'd honestly prefer that they go ahead and get a young big if one is available rather than waiting until draft night and potentially picking another guard because they are BPA.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs just need to call Boston and get Brown & Tatum & a pick and be done with it.

Tatum, Brown, Murray, White, Spurs 18' 1st ,and Memphis 19' 1st pick all growing together singing Koombaya.

[Chinook]

^Looks like someone finally snapped.

[MaNu4Tres]

^Looks like someone finally snapped.

Then trade LaMarcus to Portland or Utah for two 1sts, prospect and filler. :downspin:

[dabom]

This guy is a faggot. Just said trade Kawhi and LMA. :lmao

[spursistan]

957984295695601664

perhaps one of the most overrated players in the league..And before you go there: yes, I wouldn't TRADE Green for him..

Media should stop singing the praises of Pop and his vaunted "system" because the guy who is actually making player look better than they are is Brad Stevens (and maybe Spo)..

[DPG21920]

957984295695601664

perhaps one of the most overrated players in the league..And before you go there: yes, I wouldn't TRADE Green for him..

Media should stop singing the praises of Pop and his vaunted "system" because the guy who is actually making player look better than they are is Brad Stevens (and maybe Spo)..

Wait. Im confused. People say the Spurs suck and their players suck yet they are third in the West and now Pops system does not get credit?

By you saying this, you are in fact saying SA has legit talent and did a great job of building the team. Which is it?

[mo7888]

There's the middle ground of getting a young player on a cheap contract with the pick in a trade rather than using it in the draft. That would be the motivation behind trading for Skal or Zizic (as part of a three-team trade where the other team wanted a pick instead of Zizic). I'd honestly prefer that they go ahead and get a young big if one is available rather than waiting until draft night and potentially picking another guard because they are BPA.

Every word of this. If I could move either D White or this years 1st and get a young big on a controlled contract that is the way I'd go.

[mo7888]

Spurs just need to call Boston and get Brown & Tatum & a pick and be done with it.

Tatum, Brown, Murray, White, Spurs 18' 1st ,and Memphis 19' 1st pick all growing together singing Koombaya.

I know the Kawhi trade to Boston is partly a joke but, even if he wanted out I'm not sure Boston can pay Kyrie, Kawhi, Hayward, and Horford? After Kawhi's new contract they'd be over 120M for 4 players.

[ceperez]

Wait. Im confused. People say the Spurs suck and their players suck yet they are third in the West and now Pops system does not get credit?

By you saying this, you are in fact saying SA has legit talent and did a great job of building the team. Which is it?

3rd in the West while not having to play lots of key players in the season.

That's still impressive, also considering that there's only one player in the team (Aldridge) who can make his own shot.

[DPG21920]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?

[jermaine]

I'm tired of Kawhi an this bullshit! If he wants out, trade that nigga to the Cavs for Bron

[dabom]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?

That's fucking gross. :lmao

[DPG21920]

Gets SA out of Mills longer-term money giving them some flexibility. Bradley seems overrated and has struggled but he’s definitely more dynamic than Mills (meaning he can do most things besides shooting better than Mills, even if he can’t do them at an elite level). Maybe in SA’s system he’s more effective?

DET gets a guy who is an elite shooter on a somewhat not bad deal and guarantees themselves a rotation player for losing Bradley whom they already lost Morris & KCP for. Losing Bradley for nothing would be a tough pill to swallow and it would be guard for guard plus a late first. Not exactly a haul but I think Mills still has a good rep (as he should as a shooter).

[sasaint]

Danny + Patty + 1st round pick for G Hill + S Labissierre.

[dabom]

Gets SA out of Mills longer-term money giving them some flexibility. Bradley seems overrated and has struggled but he’s definitely more dynamic than Mills (meaning he can do most things besides shooting better than Mills, even if he can’t do them at an elite level). Maybe in SA’s system he’s more effective?

DET gets a guy who is an elite shooter on a somewhat not bad deal and guarantees themselves a rotation player for losing Bradley whom they already lost Morris & KCP for. Losing Bradley for nothing would be a tough pill to swallow and it would be guard for guard plus a late first. Not exactly a haul but I think Mills still has a good rep (as he should as a shooter).

The guy is trash compared to Patty. If you wanna tank this year, go for it. :lol

[tbdog]

Bradley has had a really down season this year. Same as Patty really. But overall, Bradley has the better career, and last year had by far the best season, avg 16 & 6 on good % while being one of the best defenders on pg. However, his play this year does not deserve a 20mil pay day, which he will command.

[DPG21920]

Bradley has had a really down season this year. Same as Patty really. But overall, Bradley has the better career, and last year had by far the best season, avg 16 & 6 on good % while being one of the best defenders on pg. However, his play this year does not deserve a 20mil pay day, which he will command.

Sure, but this free’s up the Mills money to at least make that decision. Give Bradley a look, see how he fits within SA then evaluate. Worst case, you got a look at a good player and you now have freed up the Mills money for more flexibility if you let Bradley walk (it costs SA that late first for that flexlibity and is that worth it?)

[TimDunkem]

Sure, but this free’s up the Mills money to at least make that decision. Give Bradley a look, see how he fits within SA then evaluate. Worst case, you got a look at a good player and you now have freed up the Mills money for more flexibility if you let Bradley walk (it costs SA that late first for that flexlibity and is that worth it?)

Deal. Get it done, GM DPG. :flag:

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?

Detroit, easily. They have $101 mil guaranteed for next season, no way they would take on even more guaranteed money. In fact this is the very reason Bradley is available - they can't pay him to keep him.

[MaNu4Tres]

Just trade Patty for a protected 2022 2nd round pick. Clear out log jam at the guard position and clear out 37 million due over next 3 years.

[DPG21920]

Detroit, easily. They have $101 mil guaranteed for next season, no way they would take on even more guaranteed money. In fact this is the very reason Bradley is available - they can't pay him to keep him.

I think they would want to keep Bradley but not at his cost with his performance to this point. Mills would be half the price and performing well plus they get the first round pick (and could move Mills again if need be).

I definitely agree the salary is a big factor, but from what I’ve read DET does seem to want a player in return vs just a dump but who knows.

[Big Empty]

New Rumors are Kawhi to the Celtics for Brown Or Tatum and a combo of other players. Hell, at this point might as well. Then we can trade LaSharkus for another pick and start the rebuilding process. The front office knows of any rifts for sure. If these are not rumors, pull the trigger. Noone is beating GS for another 2-3 years anyway.

[dabom]

This faggot wants to trade Kawhi. :lmao

[DPG21920]

Just trade Patty for a protected 2022 2nd round pick. Clear out log jam at the guard position and clear out 37 million due over next 3 years.

Spurs are still trying to win. Getting an expiring does the same thing but gets an actual player like Bradley. But ya, moving Mills for just a pick is not horrible since SA has guards already on the roster.

[DAF86]

Murray, Patty and Tony. One of them is redundant, if they don't trade one is only because of sentimental reasons.

[dabom]

Patty Mills has the 3rd highest TS% on the team.

[DPG21920]

Patty Mills has the 3rd highest TS% on the team.

I’m with you that Mills is not as bad as people make him out to be. The issue is he’s overpaid and we know SA has other players that are much cheaper and can do a good enough job.

It’s about opportunity cost and flexibility while not tanking the chances to win now.

[jermaine]

This faggot wants to trade Kawhi. :lmao

Why not trade a unhappy nigga who's just sitting on the bench!?!