NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[Robz4000]

I just realized only player LA has under contract in 2019 is Gallinari.....wonder if they're setting up to lure kawhi :wow

Yeah, pretty much. Won't get that chance tho; either Kawhi re-ups this Summer with SA or he's traded.

[DPG21920]

I wonder with LAC seemingly blowing it up and likely trading DJ/Lou as well (and probably not being willing to sign them to extensions worth a lot of money) if they would be open to the Bradley for Mills/First RD Pick trade?

Gives them a player, money isn’t a concern since Mills isn’t a huge per year deal and they will have tons of cap space with no Blake/DJ/Lou anyways and needing to hit the floor.

[DPG21920]

Or even Lou for Mills/1st works. (With a little additional salary included from LAC)

[TD 21]

I know they'd get out from Mills' contract, but in the right context, I don't think it's as unmoveable as many believe. Outside of that, why would they give up a 1st for Bradley to play a minimal role (something like 20 mpg off the bench) for 3-4 months?


Pelicans trading away their 1st for a player that may only be there another 3 months. So they can maybe make playoffs and win ONE game in the 1st round?...

Dell Demps is a genius.

If it eventually happens, chalk it up to self preservation. Before and probably even after the Cousins injury, it's well known that Demps and Gentry have to make the playoffs to survive.

Spurs would never trade for a Morris brother. Mills only gets moved if it's in a trade where they upgrade at PG or in the event a max free agent wanted to sign and they needed to create cap space. The former is only happening if it's Walker and the latter isn't happening period.

[objective]

Washington has one of the few remaining bad reactionary GMs. I could see Ernie wanting Mills and being dumb enough to pay a first with Wall out and an intense desire to make the playoffs.

Mills-Joffrey-Paul for Smith-Satoransky-McCullough-1st fits money wise, Spurs only have to worry about Smith & Satoransky for next year and they're out. Plus the first.

[gambit1990]

i'll take one of each group:
-deandre, montrezl harrell, john henson
-kemba, lou williams

[cjw]

Washington has one of the few remaining bad reactionary GMs. I could see Ernie wanting Mills and being dumb enough to pay a first with Wall out and an intense desire to make the playoffs.

Mills-Joffrey-Paul for Smith-Satoransky-McCullough-1st fits money wise, Spurs only have to worry about Smith & Satoransky for next year and they're out. Plus the first.

Spurs are going to need to start collecting some cheap assets, so would like any trade made trying to bring back a mid-round first if at all possible. The pipeline is dry outside of Murray and while Anderson shows flashes, he’s almost due an extension and won’t be as team-friendly. I just don’t think Mills nets you that first in today’s market.

Kawhi-Hill trade aside, has been the biggest failing of the FO over the years ... finding a way to add extra draft picks ahead of where the Spurs typically pick. Hard to do when contending and trying to maximize Duncan’s window, but having a shot at drafting a stud would be a game changer. Look at what it did for the Celtics. Yes, they tanked but also collected valuable draft capital.

Maybe Washington can borrow their awful cross-town GM who pulled the trigger on the Alex Smith deal today to double down on Patty.

[NASpurs]

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[SAGirl]

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That is tough to do bc Tyreke only has less than half a season to join a team and whoever gets him in a trade doesn't have bird rights to resign him. He still has to be signed with cap space I believe since he is on a one year deal. He will also be a UFA. It's just bad business to give up a 1st rounder for him. Think 76ers with their accumulated picks maybe can spare one, but ehh.

[LittleCriminal]

Anderson and a 1st rd pick to Memphis for T.Evans.
Book it!

[pad300]

Anderson and a 1st rd pick to Memphis for T.Evans.
Book it!

Try not to be stupid. Everyone knows you HATE Kyle Anderson. Fine. But putting no value at all on his expiring contract, why would we trade a first round pick to rent Evans for 3 months and no bird rights. If Kawhi doesn't get healthy, it the complete waste of an asset (as you probably need explained to you, the first round pick). If Kawhi does get healthy, it's still not going to put us over the top against GS... If we want Tyreke (and I wouldn't mind getting him, he might make a decent fill in for Manu), we will go after him on the FA market...

[LittleCriminal]

Try not to be stupid. Everyone knows you HATE Kyle Anderson. Fine. But putting no value at all on his expiring contract, why would we trade a first round pick to rent Evans for 3 months and no bird rights. If Kawhi doesn't get healthy, it the complete waste of an asset (as you probably need explained to you, the first round pick). If Kawhi does get healthy, it's still not going to put us over the top against GS... If we want Tyreke (and I wouldn't mind getting him, he might make a decent fill in for Manu), we will go after him on the FA market...

Didn't need the explination but thank you for clarifying for those who are too stupid to understand..
I'd rather rent a good player for 3 months than stick with a shitty player..who btw has been shitting here 4 years.

With that being said...
Anderson and a 1st rd pick to Memphis for T.Evans..
Book it!

[LittleCriminal]

I do not hate Anderson btw..
I do not know him personally aside from what he/sagirl posts about himself.

I just think his game is garbage for the amount of time that has been spent in a spurs uni..

[gambit1990]

deadline is next thursday...

[SAGirl]

deadline is next thursday...
I think nothing Spurs-related is going to happen.

[Chillen]

I think nothing Spurs-related is going to happen.

Pop is to stubborn to make a move. I would be surprised if the Spurs made a huge trade.

[tbdog]

I would take Bradley. Not sure about Lou Williams. Don't think his game translates in the playoffs.

[LittleCriminal]

I think everyone here knows the FO wont make a move...
but hating on posters for thinking of trade senerios is ubsurd.

Anderson, and a 2nd round pick to Memphis for T.Evans.
Book it!

[Drewlius]

Mirotic is apparently shut down until the Deadline is up as the Bulls are actively looking to move him. What are the thoughts on Mills/Joff/1st for Mirotic? Salaries work, not sure if Mills is able to be traded yet though. Helps shed that awful contract and gives us a desperately needed big who can actually perform and stretch the floor. Will also be a nice expiring deal next year if by chance he isn’t a fit.

[ace3g]

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[Robz4000]

Mirotic is apparently shut down until the Deadline is up as the Bulls are actively looking to move him. What are the thoughts on Mills/Joff/1st for Mirotic? Salaries work, not sure if Mills is able to be traded yet though. Helps shed that awful contract and gives us a desperately needed big who can actually perform and stretch the floor. Will also be a nice expiring deal next year if by chance he isn’t a fit.

The Spurs have a superior version of Mirotic in Bertans already.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have a superior version of Mirotic in Bertans already.

Are PATFO going to have to send a team into Davis to find that player, Fantastic Voyage style?

[BatManu20]

Now PG13 will probably leave this summer for nothing. Lol Sam Presti.

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[I. Hustle]

Mirotic is apparently shut down until the Deadline is up as the Bulls are actively looking to move him. What are the thoughts on Mills/Joff/1st for Mirotic? Salaries work, not sure if Mills is able to be traded yet though. Helps shed that awful contract and gives us a desperately needed big who can actually perform and stretch the floor. Will also be a nice expiring deal next year if by chance he isn’t a fit.

I am going to go ahead and give the okay for you to pull the trigger. GO ahead and do it. Just know, if this trade doesn't work out, it is all on you. If, for some reason, it does work out then I am the one that gave the okay. I hope you are fine with that. If you aren't, don't go through with the trade.

[BatManu20]

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[I. Hustle]

http://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/innerspace-main.jpg


Are PATFO going to have to send a team into Davis to find that player, Fantastic Voyage style?

[BatManu20]

Lol Clippers

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[spurraider21]

can we ship off 50 mills for joa noah?

[ace3g]

Right now players to most likely have new teams after deadline:

Mirotic
Tyreke Evans
Rodney Hood

[Chinook]

can we ship off 50 mills for joa noah?

Probably, but I wouldn't since the Rockets have Nene.

[LittleCriminal]

Right now players to most likely have new teams after deadline:

Mirotic
Tyreke Evans
Rodney Hood

see any trade scenarios the spurs could offer for either of the three?

[Robz4000]

Are PATFO going to have to send a team into Davis to find that player, Fantastic Voyage style?

What can't science do?

[Robz4000]

Right now players to most likely have new teams after deadline:

Mirotic
Tyreke Evans
Rodney Hood

Add DeMonkey to that list too.

[LittleCriminal]

Lol Clippers

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Man The Clipps fukked him.
that franchise is shit..

Glad the Spurs FO is classy.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/05b912a59c2268bbb7ef11a66ec6dda9/tenor.gif?itemid=7250101

[Pavlov]

It's been four years since the Spurs traded in-season, and that was shipping out an obviously disgruntled dude.

3rd in the west with all these injuries kind of points to standing pat until the waivers start.

[SAGirl]

It's been four years since the Spurs traded in-season, and that was shipping out an obviously disgruntled dude.

3rd in the west with all these injuries kind of points to standing pat until the waivers start.
Exactly.
Maybe if there is someone that interests them that they can pick off waivers they make a small move and that is just maybe.

[Pavlov]

Exactly.
Maybe if there is someone that interests them that they can pick off waivers they make a small move and that is just maybe.I could see a small trade with end of bench guys but I think they're pretty happy with the potential of the current rotation guys + Kawhi + Rudy.

So see what comes off the waiver wire or bring up a guy like Brimah, etc., if they're high on him.

[BatManu20]

If Vince Carter gets bought out, I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs take a look at him tbh. Would bring some youth and energy to this team.

[tmtcsc]

If Vince Carter gets bought out, I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs take a look at him tbh. Would bring some youth and energy to this team.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/68909524/i-dont-care-who-you-are-thats-funny-right-there.jpg

[ace3g]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs get:
Courtney Lee
Joamim Noah

Knicks get:
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol
Joffrey Lauvergne

Who says no?

[coachmac87]

Spurs get:
Courtney Lee
Joamim Noah

Knicks get:
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol
Joffrey Lauvergne

Who says no?

Lmao..

[TheGreatYacht]

Aldridge/Noah
Anderson/Bertans
Leonard/Green
Lee/Ginobili
Murray/Parker

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958896449244278784)
The Phoenix Suns have agreed to a contract buyout with Greg Monroe, league sources tell ESPN.

[DPG21920]

Official - Greg Monroe bought out. Could see SA looking at him although he does not do anything that our bigs don’t already do.

[NASpurs]

Sayonara BP3, nice to meet you Greg Monroe.

[TimDunkem]

Fuck it. Sign Monroe and just commit fully to the antiquated post-up system.

[NASpurs]

Official - Greg Monroe bought out. Could see SA looking at him although he does not do anything that our bigs don’t already do.

You mean besides leaving Lauvergne’s ass permanently on the bench and just being better in every way conceivable by just existing in this world?

[ace3g]

Chris Mannix ChrisMannixYS
(https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS) 8s (https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/958897839366721537)
Market will be robust for Greg Monroe--and Boston, armed with an $8.4 million DPE, will likely be an aggressive suitor. Celtics need a big, and Monroe has killed them in years past.

[TimDunkem]

Seems like Boston is after everybody.

[Uriel]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958896449244278784)
The Phoenix Suns have agreed to a contract buyout with Greg Monroe, league sources tell ESPN.


Do it, RC.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibsd0UvBhTs&feature=share

Fucking Lapro :lol forgot that scrub was a Spur

[ace3g]

John Gambadoro @Gambo987
(https://twitter.com/Gambo987) now (https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/958898582035181569)
Look for New Orleans, Milwaukee and Boston to have interest in Greg Monroe.

[DPG21920]

Lol Milwaukee

[Chinook]

Obviously MKE can't sign him. Calls that dude's credibility into question.

[NASpurs]

Must be nice to have assets others want.

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[TheGreatYacht]

That DPE could've been nice for Kawhi....

[Ice009]

Now PG13 will probably leave this summer for nothing. Lol Sam Presti.

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Why? It was the Clippers that tried to trade for him, not OKC that was trying to trade him. Why would that make him upset with Sam Presti?

[DPG21920]

Why? It was the Clippers that tried to trade for him, not OKC that was trying to trade him. Why would that make him upset with Sam Presti?

Because he has Kawhi’s mindset.

[sasaint]

Sayonara BP3, nice to meet you Greg Monroe.

You mean Joff, don't you. Surely we jettison Joff before BP3, although neither would be missed.

[sasaint]

Because he has Kawhi’s mindset.

So, do you think Kawhi is gonna bolt the Spurs because the Celts want to trade for him?

[DPG21920]

So, do you think Kawhi is gonna bolt the Spurs because the Celts want to trade for him?

I was joking.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 2m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/958927197212938240)
Sources: The NBA has granted the Miami Heat a $5.5M disabled player exception for injured guard Dion Waiters.

[Ice009]

Miami could be a destination for Monroe. Pat Riley, a lot of times can do some great things with big men that have a modicum of talent.

[NASpurs]

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[spurraider21]

Ainge is a shark tbh

[Robz4000]

I don't understand why the Celtics want Tyreke tbh. I understand they want more playmaking but they already have Irving who will have the ball in his hands for 40 mins a game in the playoffs and Rozier/Smart who have been playing well. Just a strange situation.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't understand why the Celtics want Tyreke tbh. I understand they want more playmaking but they already have Irving who will have the ball in his hands for 40 mins a game in the playoffs and Rozier/Smart who have been playing well. Just a strange situation.

Because Rozier and Smart can't create and are terrible shooters. Their defense is good, but like the Spurs, the Celtics are looking for more offense, not more defense.

[Robz4000]

Because Rozier and Smart can't create and are terrible shooters. Their defense is good, but like the Spurs, the Celtics are looking for more offense, not more defense.

Rozier's been fine as a creator imo, and Smart is too important to them to be benched at this point chemistry-wise. I guess it gives them added depth and they do have a gluttony of draft picks. Think they should be looking at acquiring a starting C tho.

[Robz4000]

Also, Evans is not a reliable shooter. He might be decent this year, but it's definitely not something a team should be exclusively trading for.

[szkorhetz]

Tyreke with us on the other hand would make a ton of sense...

[r0drig0lac]

You mean besides leaving Lauvergne’s ass permanently on the bench and just being better in every way conceivable by just existing in this world?

[r0drig0lac]

I don't understand why the Celtics want Tyreke tbh. I understand they want more playmaking but they already have Irving who will have the ball in his hands for 40 mins a game in the playoffs and Rozier/Smart who have been playing well. Just a strange situation.
talent

[BatManu20]

Why? It was the Clippers that tried to trade for him, not OKC that was trying to trade him. Why would that make him upset with Sam Presti?

Because I don't see PG wanting to stay in OKC past this summer after they lose in the 1st Round (2nd Round at best) and continue to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle for them when he could just bolt for LA and be "the guy" on the Clippers or Lakers. Good chance he walks this Summer and they lose him for nothing. Instead, they could've had Westbrook and Blake going forward for the next 3-4 years.

[SAGirl]

Ainge is a shark tbh
Yes... took a long time to make a move but once he did he started moving his dominoes to let it all fall gracefully.

[NASpurs]

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[Ice009]

Because I don't see PG wanting to stay in OKC past this summer after they lose in the 1st Round (2nd Round at best) and continue to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle for them when he could just bolt for LA and be "the guy" on the Clippers or Lakers. Good chance he walks this Summer and they lose him for nothing. Instead, they could've had Westbrook and Blake going forward for the next 3-4 years.

Alright, that is pretty good logic. OKC could really be kicking themselves for turning that down if he walks.

[mo7888]

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/

That helps in taking on a Noah trade..http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/

Is getting the NY 1st enough?
http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/

[Chinook]

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/

That helps in taking on a Noah trade..http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/

Is getting the NY 1st enough?
http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1160447/

Noah's contracts is absurd.

[gambit1990]

would only take noah if porzingis was included.

[cd021]

Noah's contracts is absurd.

A deal centered around Mills for Noah plus the 12th pick is worth it tbh. Spurs getting their hands on a lottery pick for the first time in 21 years without bottoming out is going to require a catch and taking on Noah's contract for the next two seasons wouldn't deter me, at least.

[Chinook]

A deal centered around Mills for Noah plus the 12th pick is worth it tbh. Spurs getting their hands on a lottery pick for the first time in 21 years without bottoming out is going to require a catch and taking on Noah's contract for the next two seasons wouldn't deter me, at least.

Noah's deal is for $38 Million after this season, and would put the team into the tax to acquire. Add to that that Joakim is a cancer, and I can't see any way that's worth the 12th pick.

[sasaint]

Noah's deal is for $38 Million after this season, and would put the team into the tax to acquire. Add to that that Joakim is a cancer, and I can't see any way that's worth the 12th pick.

I don't know whether Noah was a cancer when he was with the Bulls. I just thought his knees were gone.

[cd021]

I don't know whether Noah was a cancer when he was with the Bulls. I just thought his knees were gone.
I don't know if i really matters, if the Spurs were to acquire him they don't have to have him anywhere near the team.

[SAGirl]

If you are prone to believe Kiwi objects to this roster, I am not sure he would like picking up the corpse of some team cancers and lottery pick that will be raw and undeveloped, not matching his timeline. It's not a win now move... NEXT.

[8FOR!3]

Can Greg Monroe even play anymore?

[tholdren]

If you are prone to believe Kiwi objects to this roster, I am not sure he would like picking up the corpse of some team cancers and lottery pick that will be raw and undeveloped, not matching his timeline. It's not a win now move... NEXT.

Trade kl. Too much drama

[jermaine]

Trade him to Boston for their young talent

[sasaint]

Ainge is a shark tbh

And our GM is a flounder.

[BackHome]

Lol a Puffer Fish.

[HarlemHeat37]

Evans to Boston is perfect, they desperately need offensive talent with Hayward out..add Evans or Lou Williams(playoff choke aside) and they're set for a Finals run..

[cd021]

Noah's deal is for $38 Million after this season, and would put the team into the tax to acquire. Add to that that Joakim is a cancer, and I can't see any way that's worth the 12th pick.
They'd probably be pretty damn close to the tax anyway but even if it were Joff and Mills for Noah, they'd be around $10 million over the luxury tax with Noah and the 12th pick's factored into my 2018-2019 guesstimating of the salary situation. Not nearly as tolerable as I thought first thought.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They'd probably be pretty damn close to the tax anyway but even if it were Joff and Mills for Noah, they'd be around $10 million over the luxury tax with Noah and the 12th pick's factored into my 2018-2019 guesstimating of the salary situation. Not nearly as tolerable as I thought first thought.

Absolutely. Not to mention it'd completely kill any chance to create a max slot in the summer.

[cd021]

Absolutely. Not to mention it'd completely kill any chance to create a max slot in the summer.

I just don't see any way to get there. LeBron would probably take an meeting with PATFO because he legitimately seems to respect Pop and the organization but it would be a hard sale and then there would have to be a S&T to get him his money likely involving Mills and Gasol plus 2 first rounders

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I just don't see any way to get there. LeBron would probably take an meeting with PATFO because he legitimately seems to respect Pop and the organization but it would be a hard sale and then there would have to be a S&T to get him his money likely involving Mills and Gasol plus 2 first rounders

There are at least 2 possible scenarios for the Spurs to create a max slot, if they need one.

[Ice009]

There are at least 2 possible scenarios for the Spurs to create a max slot, if they need one.

If it's not too much trouble, can you tell us those scenarios? You seem to know your stuff.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If it's not too much trouble, can you tell us those scenarios? You seem to know your stuff.

https://projectspurs.com/2018/01/18/the-spurs-current-cap-situation/

This article explains one possible way. Another would be by trading both Patty and Pau. A third one would be around trading Aldridge. Of course most scenarios involve renouncing everyone - Danny, Rudy, Parker, Bertans, Anderson, etc. It's doable and would be easier than for Houston, for example.

[gambit1990]

https://image.ibb.co/gbSgR6/Screen_Shot_2018_02_02_at_9_00_44_AM.png

get tony off this team... he's only going to get worse on the defensive end.

[sasaint]

https://image.ibb.co/gbSgR6/Screen_Shot_2018_02_02_at_9_00_44_AM.png

get tony off this team... he's only going to get worse on the defensive end.

I think you have solved a puzzle. This must be why Pop keeps BP3 around.

[SAGirl]

https://image.ibb.co/gbSgR6/Screen_Shot_2018_02_02_at_9_00_44_AM.png

get tony off this team... he's only going to get worse on the defensive end.
Agree he has been awful. Needs to retire if we are honest but he just gave an interview saying he wants to come back.

[SAGirl]

I think you have solved a puzzle. This must be why Pop keeps BP3 around.
I have no idea why BP3 is in this team at this point. Forbes ate his cookies, Hilliard is getting called up and playing in games the minutes that BP3 could be playing and White eventually next season will get played... not sure if they still have him for a possible small trade or if that is wishful thinking.

[mo7888]

I have no idea why BP3 is in this team at this point. Forbes ate his cookies, Hilliard is getting called up and playing in games the minutes that BP3 could be playing and White eventually next season will get played... not sure if they still have him for a possible small trade or if that is wishful thinking.

I think it is to see if they can include him in a larger trade since they are close to the tax line. If the deadline passes I expect us to waive him and give the roster spot to a buyout player or a frontcourt G-league guy.

[NASpurs]

Don't know how credible the dude is. I'm guessing not very.

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[sasaint]

Agree he has been awful. Needs to retire if we are honest but he just gave an interview saying he wants to come back.

Unless the Spurs make some compensatory splash with a trade or important FA signing, Tony's return would erode a considerable amount of my ebbing interest in the team. I have been a fan of his throughout his career, but it is clearly beyond his expiration date.

[DPG21920]

Unless the Spurs make some compensatory splash with a trade or important FA signing, Tony's return would erode a considerable amount of my ebbing interest in the team. I have been a fan of his throughout his career, but it is clearly beyond his expiration date.

People thought that about Manu as well as he was pretty bad the past couple years. Now look at him this year. TP is coming off a major injury and still getting back into form and adjusting to a brand new role. A role in which he’s already shown some bright spots. Give it some time and relax.

[SAGirl]

Don't know how credible the dude is.

959453761017139201
Hmmm the magic had placed everyone else (Payton, Hezonja, Fournier, I have seen rumors that JSimms too) on trade but wanted to hold on to Gordon.

They may have just decided he’s not a guy to build around and want to see what’s out there for him. Still he’s young and has improved. I’d hate for the Magic to trade Gordon like they did with Oladipo only to see him flourish elsewhere.

[sasaint]

People thought that about Manu as well as he was pretty bad the past couple years. Now look at him this year. TP is coming off a major injury and still getting back into form and adjusting to a brand new role. A role in which he’s already shown some bright spots. Give it some time and relax.

Haha. I am still mostly here. I have missed a couple of more games this season than I usually do. And my enthusiasm isn't nearly as high. Frankly, I could live with an also-ran team if there were something to really grab my interest. But there aren't really any individuals suited up that really pull me in. The old guys (Manu, Tony and Pau) all have games/moments that are very good/great and a young guy has a rare game that gets me fired up. But if all these guys weren't Spurs, I probably wouldn't watch many games. This new style of play is such a far cry from the equal opportunity ball movement game that the style of play coupled with no very exciting player is a tough sell to me. But I am still rooting for the team.

I have always liked Tony. What he has done to get back on the court is impressive and laudable. And you correctly point out that he has had flashes in his new role. Perhaps he can improve next season. But with the plethora of smalls we have, some guys need to go. Tony doesn't really excite me any more, and he represents the past. It is past time that the Spurs moved onward. The perpetual "win-now" mode of the team has been justified by an incredible and really unparalleled level of sustained excellence for over 20 years. But I am doubtful that we are good enough today to legitimately justify that attitude.

:flag:

[sasaint]

Hmmm the magic had placed everyone else (Payton, Hezonja, Fournier, I have seen rumors that JSimms too) on trade but wanted to hold on to Gordon.

They may have just decided he’s not a guy to build around and want to see what’s out there for him. Still he’s young and has improved. I’d hate for the Magic to trade Gordon like they did with Oladipo only to see him flourish elsewhere.

I'd love to see him flourish in Silver & Black.

[sasaint]

I think it is to see if they can include him in a larger trade since they are close to the tax line. If the deadline passes I expect us to waive him and give the roster spot to a buyout player or a frontcourt G-league guy.

Yes. I think you are absolutely right; that's the plan.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'd love to see him flourish in Silver & Black.

:tu

[SAGirl]

I have always liked Tony. What he has done to get back on the court is impressive and laudable. And you correctly point out that he has had flashes in his new role. Perhaps he can improve next season. But with the plethora of smalls we have, some guys need to go. Tony doesn't really excite me any more, and he represents the past. It is past time that the Spurs moved onward. The perpetual "win-now" mode of the team has been justified by an incredible and really unparalleled level of sustained excellence for over 20 years. But I am doubtful that we are good enough today to legitimately justify that attitude.

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Agreed with this paragraph. Indirectly the injuries this season have compelled Pop to develop young players. He hardly would have done as much with sophomores this year unless he had to. I bet Forbes wouldn’t have played more games or real minutes than Kyle did last year when he was 11th or so in the rotation. Yet here we are, he has played the 5th most minutes in the team and could play more if Pop wasn’t set on playing entrenched guys like Tony and Patty.

It’s tough to justify minutes for Tony when others are clearly shooting better and hustling more. The same goes for Patty except in his case he’s out there for shooting and when he’s off hhes terrible.

[NASpurs]

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[gambit1990]

when someone says something like "give tony some time" :lol
time is his enemy :lol

[cd98]

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Phil Jackson is a great GM.

[gambit1990]

Phil Jackson is a great GM.
forgot that was under his watch :lol

[cd021]

There are at least 2 possible scenarios for the Spurs to create a max slot, if they need one.


https://projectspurs.com/2018/01/18/the-spurs-current-cap-situation/

This article explains one possible way. Another would be by trading both Patty and Pau. A third one would be around trading Aldridge. Of course most scenarios involve renouncing everyone - Danny, Rudy, Parker, Bertans, Anderson, etc. It's doable and would be easier than for Houston, for example.

I much prefer the Mills and Gasol route, allowing the Spurs to keep the bird rights to Anderson, and also still have the option of being able to resign Bertans, Green and Gay along with the MLE (tax payer)

PG- Murray, Parker
SG-Green, Manu, White
SF-Lebron, Anderson
PF- Leonard, Gay, Bertans
C-Aldridge, Vet FA, 1st rounder


(Please ,insert deity here, !)

[Leetonidas]

Saw a rumor earlier spurs are interested in trading for Stanley Johnson and Willy Hernangomez

[NASpurs]

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[Leetonidas]

Good deal for Boston. Monroe is not a game changer by any means but Boston only has baynes and no other decent bigs. Plus they cant score for shit outside of Kyrie.

[SAGirl]

Good for the Celtics they didn’t stand pat although they are at the top in the east and have Hayward injured. Didn’t get complacent and thought they were good enough as they were.

[Atl Spur]

Saw a rumor earlier spurs are interested in trading for Stanley Johnson and Willy Hernangomez

Please get Stanley Johnson!!!

[MaNu4Tres]

People thought that about Manu as well as he was pretty bad the past couple years. Now look at him this year. TP is coming off a major injury and still getting back into form and adjusting to a brand new role. A role in which he’s already shown some bright spots. Give it some time and relax.

To be fair, the two circumstances are totally different. Manu has always been and still is a + on the defensive end and in many other ways -- rebounds, blocks, steals, deflections, you name it.

Manu has always been well rounded -- which has helped his longevity as an effective player ( like TD) .

Tony on the other hand, has never been well rounded really. He had a 5 year stint where he was decent on defense, but the all around intangibles were never on Manu or Tims' level. For the past 6-8 years, his value has been solely based on the offensive end and now that he's not nearly as effective in that one aspect, he's not nearly as valuable anymore and I don't see how one can be optimistic about his future.

[NASpurs]

Those fuckers in Boston sure know their stuff. Must be nice.

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[gambit1990]

good move by boston.

[gambit1990]

To be fair, the two circumstances are totally different. Manu has never been and still is a + on the defensive end and in many other ways -- rebounds, blocks, steals, deflections, you name it.

Manu has always been well rounded. Tony on the other hand, has not. His value is solely based on the offensive end and now that he's not nearly as effective in that one aspect, he's not nearly as valuable anymore and I don't see how one can be optimistic about the future.
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[MaNu4Tres]

Boston played the long game when the writing was on the wall with Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo, ect. And it has paid off handsomely.

Ainge has been killing it for years now.

[mo7888]

Those fuckers in Boston sure know their stuff. Must be nice.

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Patty is a veteran perimeter player...jus sayin..

[timtonymanu]

Boston played the long game when the writing was on the wall with Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo, ect. And it has paid off handsomely.

Ainge has been killing it for years now.

Yep. Wish PATFO would have done the same with some of the current guys

[MaNu4Tres]

Yep. Wish PATFO would have done the same with some of the current guys

If Pop and RC were in charge of Boston they would have given Isiah his deal after they would have drafted Fultz tbh..

[objective]

If Pop and RC were in charge of Boston they would have given Isiah his deal after they would have drafted Fultz tbh..

They would have never had the #1 pick.

They would not have traded Garnett and Pierce. It would have been, "until the wheels fall off". Rondo's acl would have meant an extension.

[Chinook]

Personally glad that Ainge wasn't the Spurs' GM. He would have traded Tim and the others in 2011, and the team would still be waiting for the young guys to improve enough to get titles. 2014 is more valuable than anything the Celtics can get from this current era.

[MaNu4Tres]

They would have never had the #1 pick.

They would not have traded Garnett and Pierce. It would have been, "until the wheels fall off". Rondo's acl would have meant an extension.

Eddie House would be on the last year of his 5 year 60 million dollar deal as well tbh..

[DPG21920]

Personally glad that Ainge wasn't the Spurs' GM. He would have traded Tim and the others in 2011, and the team would still be waiting for the young guys to improve enough to get titles. 2014 is more valuable than anything the Celtics can get from this current era.

Agreed 100%. Bird in the hand. Even with Ainge’s big payoff let’s see if they have any run of success like SA has had (still having) and if they even get to a finals.

[DPG21920]

I guess Im missing something but how does money come into play for Monroe? Was he not bought out and doesn’t any money his new time sign him for just get removed from what his old team is paying him?

[Chinook]

They would have never had the #1 pick.

They would not have traded Garnett and Pierce. It would have been, "until the wheels fall off". Rondo's acl would have meant an extension.

And yet the Celtics don't have a title and don't seem particularly close to one. Hell, event the "broken-down" Spurs are closer to a ring than the Celtics.

[duncan2150]

Yep. Wish PATFO would have done the same with some of the current guys

The Spurs don't have the same assets, they would'nt trade duncan wich i understand and this brooklyn offer comes from the sky.

Not the same situation but Ainge made some good moves and had some luck also.

[Chinook]

I guess Im missing something but how does money come into play for Monroe? Was he not bought out and doesn’t any money his new time sign him for just get removed from what his old team is paying him?

First, the team may have agreed to waive set-off rights (this is usual in buyouts). Second, even if set-off rights weren't waived, he only has to give up half of whatever he makes over the min.

[DPG21920]

First, the team may have agreed to waive set-off rights (this is usual in buyouts). Second, even if set-off rights weren't waived, he only has to give up half of whatever he makes over the min.

Got ya, thanks :tu

[Hoops Czar]

And yet the Celtics don't have a title and don't seem particularly close to one. Hell, event the "broken-down" Spurs are closer to a ring than the Celtics.

Celtics won the title in 2008 and probably should have one another in 2010.

[MaNu4Tres]

And yet the Celtics don't have a title and don't seem particularly close to one. Hell, event the "broken-down" Spurs are closer to a ring than the Celtics.

Um 2008? Almost had one in 2010...

And they now have the best young nucleus and roster in the NBA that should remain tops in the East for at least the next 4 seasons (outside of the Warriors).

[Chinook]

Celtics won the title in 2008 and probably should have one another in 2010.

Try to keep up with the conversation. We're specifically talking about after the Brooklyn trade. Boston obviously has plenty of titles from the past.

[Chinook]

Um 2008? Almost had one in 2010...

Seriously, WTF is with people bringing up titles before the trade? We all know Boston won a title with their vets. The comment was in response to people praising Ainge for trading his guys.

[Hoops Czar]

Try to keep up with the conversation. We're specifically talking about after the Brooklyn trade. Boston obviously has plenty of titles from the past.

Spurs have only one championship since 2007.

[Chinook]

Spurs have only one championship since 2007.

Yes. And they won is because PATFO didn't pull an Ainge and dump the Big Three for "value". Instead, he got them help through draft picks and heady min signings.

[MaNu4Tres]

Seriously, WTF is with people bringing up titles before the trade? We all know Boston won a title with their vets. The comment was in response to people praising Ainge for trading his guys.

Do you not realize that the trade just happened in 2013? Do you not realize rebuilding takes time?

You act like all their 1st round picks were used years ago. They got the 14', 16', 17' and 18's first round picks from Brooklyn .. its only the beginning right now. Wait til they reach their peak. Unfortunate for them, they have the best team ever to get through to win a title. I actually think Celtics will beat them in a few years tbh..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Can't believe the state of ST has gone so low that people are seriously suggesting the Spurs should have traded Tim Duncan :lmao fucking idiots.

Almost as bad as RealGM.

[MaNu4Tres]

Can't believe the state of ST has gone so low that people are seriously suggesting the Spurs should have traded Tim Duncan :lmao fucking idiots.

Almost as bad as RealGM.

No one suggested that. It's the dumb-asses who like to go to the extreme end of the spectrum and imply that's what we meant.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

No one suggested that. It's the dumb-asses who like to go to the extreme end of the spectrum and imply that's what we meant.

I guess what you meant was making up alternative universe scenarios so that you can bitch about what the Spurs FO would do in them.

[cd021]

Saw a rumor earlier spurs are interested in trading for Stanley Johnson and Willy Hernangomez
Love the idea of getting Willie (pause) young big with upside and on a cheap deal, so long as that trade would include Forbes (wishful thinking) and not Bertans (Latvian connection with 'Taps) or a first (which would be an overpay for a former second rounder playing so few minutes off the bench on a bad team)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

No one suggested that. It's the dumb-asses who like to go to the extreme end of the spectrum and imply that's what we meant.


They would have never had the #1 pick.

They would not have traded Garnett and Pierce. It would have been, "until the wheels fall off". Rondo's acl would have meant an extension.

[Chinook]

Do you not realize that the trade just happened in 2013? Do you not realize rebuilding takes time?

You act like all their 1st round picks were used years ago. They got the 14', 16', 17' and 18's first round picks from Brooklyn .. its only the beginning right now. Wait til they reach their peak. Unfortunate for them, they have the best team ever to get through to win a title. I actually think Celtics will beat them in a few years tbh..

I'm not acting like shit. I'm explicitly saying that folks thinking the Spurs should have done what Ainge did by trading their vets are being dumb. It's really dumb. The team won a title because they didn't trade their vets. Would I love for the team to have 2014 AND a bunch of picks/youth? Probably. But I am perfectly fine with them having 2014 and their current roster over Boston's history over the past decade, or even half-decade. And it would take a dynasty from Boston to get me to change my mind.

[MaNu4Tres]

I guess what you meant was making up alternative universe scenarios so that you can bitch about what the Spurs FO would do in it.

A lot of it was tongue in cheek with objective because me and him hate the job they did this past summer. Sucks when you call out a bad deal before it happens and the Spurs still do it tbh..

[timtonymanu]

:lol no one said anything about trading Duncan. I was specifically talking about the moves post 2014

[DAF86]

Is it so hard to admit that the Mills and Gasol signings were bad? Are we less fans for saying that?

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not acting like shit. I'm explicitly saying that folks thinking the Spurs should have done what Ainge did by trading their vets are being dumb. It's really dumb. The team won a title because they didn't trade their vets. Would I love for the team to have 2014 AND a bunch of picks/youth? Probably. But I am perfectly fine with them having 2014 and their current roster over Boston's history over the past decade, or even half-decade.

It's not about the picks to me, its the way Ainge does business all around. It's how he preserved capspace for the right opportunities ( Horford, Hayward), how he didn't allocate his cap space to players like Patty Mills, how he didn't give in to the sentimental aspect of the business and didn't give IT his deal ( he had no intensions of doing so). How he drafts and targets the right kind of players ( versatile- two way - long - athletic). All around he's done a great job.

[Chinook]

Is it so hard to admit that the Mills and Gasol signings were bad? Are we less fans for saying that?

Yes.

[DAF86]

Yes.

:lol

[Chinook]

It's not about the picks to me, its the way Ainge does business all around. It's how he preserved capspace for the right opportunities ( Horford, Hayward), how he didn't allocate his cap space to players like Patty Mills, how he didn't give in to the sentimental aspect of the business and didn't give IT his deal ( he had no intensions of doing so). How he drafts and targets the right kind of players ( versatile- two way - long - athletic). All around he's done a great job.

And yet, because he "waited" he is being caught in the middle of GS' dynasty and doesn't have an outlook any better than Philly's and a couple of other teams. The number of teams that are "young and upcoming" and the number that go from that to a contender is very different. You're asking me to wait before judging Boston's future. But you aren't doing the same.

Ainge would have let Manu go in 2013. He almost certainly would have traded Tony in 2011.

[Leetonidas]

Why do people say stuff like “spurs have only won 1 title since 2007.” umm some teams havent won one ever. Only a small handful of teams have won since then. Not saying we shouldnt be eyeing the title its just spoiled as fuck to say “only” 1 title :lol

[Leetonidas]

And Ainge is a great GM but his team will never challenge GS. Spurs fan on this board would still be bitching we weren't true contenders if we were in bostons shoes

[Hoops Czar]

Yes. And they won is because PATFO didn't pull an Ainge and dump the Big Three for "value". Instead, he got them help through draft picks and heady min signings.
Spurs didn't know any better and they're paying for it now. They're handing out bad loyalty contracts like they're going out of style and they'll be more to come next offseason. They lucked out with a big three that could still play at a very high level, Kawhi Leonard who was thought of as a defensive specialist, not a league MVP, though RC wanted Jonas Valanciunas (dodged a bullet), Tiago Splitter, who was a good situational big and Boris Diaw (thanks Tony parker).

But with all that sticktuitiveness, they won a single championship.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:lol no one said anything about trading Duncan. I was specifically talking about the moves post 2014

Basically you want everything the Spurs have had - titles, longevity, loyalty to stars, 2014, AND you want all of Boston's picks and future because they found a monumental idiot GM and made a once in a decade kind of deal. I'd want that too, tbh, and I'm not even sure their immediate future is better than the Spurs'.

[Chinook]

Spurs didn't know any better and they're paying for it now. They're handing out bad loyalty contracts like they're going out of style and they'll be more to come next offseason. They lucked out with a big three that could still play at a very high level, Kawhi Leonard who was thought of as a defensive specialist, not a league MVP, though RC wanted Jonas Valanciunas (dodged a bullet), Tiago Splitter, who was a good situational big and Boris Diaw (thanks Tony parker).

But with all that sticktuitiveness, they won a single championship.

How many titles have the "new-age", calculated GMs won in the same time? (Answer is zero). Each of the title teams of the past decade has had its share of loyalty contracts except maybe Boston. Riley tried to be heartless, and it got his stars leaving and a mediocre team with two outstanding picks.

[Leetonidas]

Patty mills you can call a loyalty contract. idk wtf you call Gasol's though, that was just an incredibly foolish signing. should have been 1 year

[Hoops Czar]

How many titles have the "new-age", calculated GMs won in the same time? (Answer is zero). Each of the title teams of the past decade has had its share of loyalty contracts except maybe Boston. Riley tried to be heartless, and it got his stars leaving and a mediocre team with two outstanding picks.

True, but let me ask you this, how many of those "new age" GMs had Tim Duncan? Are people still disregarding the importance and impact of Tim Duncan after all these years?

[Chinook]

True, but let me ask you this, how many of those "new age" GMs had Tim Duncan? Are people the importance and impact of Tim Duncan after all these years?

I hope not. Duncan was the best foundational piece for a title ever. Kawhi's not particularly close both in terms of All-Time status and temperament. However, as you like to say, a team has won a title nine times over the past ten years without Tim. None of those teams had a "new-age" GM.

[SAGirl]

No one suggested that. It's the dumb-asses who like to go to the extreme end of the spectrum and imply that's what we meant.
Also not trading Timmy D... is not the same as standing pat a couple of years after he retired and re-upping roleplayers at premium prices... no way.

[SAGirl]

Love the idea of getting Willie (pause) young big with upside and on a cheap deal, so long as that trade would include Forbes (wishful thinking) and not Bertans (Latvian connection with 'Taps) or a first (which would be an overpay for a former second rounder playing so few minutes off the bench on a bad team)
Frankly... Bryn has been shooting better than Bertans, and is shooting better than 50 Mills and Tony. I'd rather keep Bryn this season if you aren't bringing in a guard who can score.

Realize Murray doesn't really score that much, he doesn't shoot on top of that, Manu is on minutes limitations, 50 Mills is in a complacent mode bc he got paid and maybe needs a wake up call like Danny, (btw how is it that Danny gets yelled at and gets benched, yet 50 Mills is so brash as to state he got paid for the past and there is no pressure? and this dude is supposed to be a leader? GTFO Pop).... Tony is just washed up.

[Hoops Czar]

I hope not. Duncan was the best foundational piece for a title ever. Kawhi's not particularly close both in terms of All-Time status and temperament. However, as you like to say, a team has won a title nine times over the past ten years without Tim. None of those teams had a "new-age" GM.

I'm confused as to what you mean by "new age" GM. Technology/sabermetrics guru? Young Blood? Steve Kerr? My point being that the Spurs would have zero championships to their name without Tim Duncan. All that togetherness and loyalty gets them no rings without the big fundamental in tow. It's not those other gms fault they lacked a center peice.

Didn't the Warriors build their team through the draft and haven't they primarily kept their team together? Aren't the Warriors doing what the Spurs did, only better?

[TheDoctor]

I'm confused as to what you mean by "new age" GM.
Non alcoholic still in their 40s tbh

[SAGirl]

Yes.
:lmao
omg this was funny.

[szkorhetz]

And Ainge is a great GM but his team will never challenge GS. Spurs fan on this board would still be bitching we weren't true contenders if we were in bostons shoes
Boston is a much harder opponents and a much better fit against GSW.

[Seventyniner]

Basically you want everything the Spurs have had - titles, longevity, loyalty to stars, 2014, AND you want all of Boston's picks and future because they found a monumental idiot GM and made a once in a decade kind of deal. I'd want that too, tbh, and I'm not even sure their immediate future is better than the Spurs'.

Exactly. Stepien levels of idiocy.

[Chinook]

I'm confused as to what you mean by "new age" GM.

Meaning those who are trying to "money-ball" their teams and push for "value" over relationship.


Didn't the Warriors build their team through the draft and haven't they primarily kept their team together? Aren't the Warriors doing what the Spurs did, only better?

The Warriors are doing it better at the moment, due to their team being younger. That will probably wane sooner than people think. Regardless, all that does is underscore how much the Spurs approach works. GS is "new-age" in the sense of their play-style. But they aren't like that at all in terms of their player relations. Just look at Iggy's deal.

[SAGirl]

Patty mills you can call a loyalty contract. idk wtf you call Gasol's though, that was just an incredibly foolish signing. should have been 1 year
Gasol.. Pop has wanted him for years. Notoriously didn't want to sign with the Spurs, was it in 2014? He got more money in Chicago. Pop still wanted him and when Timmy retired, Pop wasn't really ready to embrace an era that was more perimeter oriented and he wanted 2 bigs. To be fair, Pop likes Durant's game but he chose to go to GSW.

HIs initial contract was signed in the summer of 2016, a year that many foolish and over the top contracts were handed out to roleplayers. I thought the Spurs giving him his deal for just 2 seasons was a great way for them to have handled the ridiculous prices and contracts given out in 2016... but of course, then they went and splashed up 2 seasons on top of it. :lol

[Seventyniner]

Is it so hard to admit that the Mills and Gasol signings were bad? Are we less fans for saying that?

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

[SAGirl]

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years
Also... even though Pau has been inconsistent from game to game, he has impacted the game much more than Mills. His winshare is a lot higher even with less minutes. Mills is simply not as good of a player. Gasol will be a HoF player when all is said and done and has had good moments this season.

From Mills, outside of a couple of games he got insanely hot this season (a Brooklyn game, and the initial Philly game)... I recall much more all his miscues, bad passes, on handed passes to guys feet, empty shooting nights, etc.

[objective]

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

Pau will not 'essentially' be an expiring.

How many expirings actually have an extra year at 6.7 million?

Pau's guarantee is so large that the Spurs couldn't even cover it with cash considerations to pay for the other team to cut him.

If it was a guarantee of $1 million, or $2 million ... sure.

But 6.7 million?

That's not an expiring, or a more-or-less expiring.

[jermaine]

I can't understand why in D fuck did they keep Pau anyway!?!

[jermaine]

You know I was mad about Kawhi, but looking at Pau, now I'm not mad. Kawhi wants a to win... I can't hate a man for that. I've been spoiled by Timmy an Ginobili.

[r0drig0lac]

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

they matter now, when these two can not play against good teams

[spurraider21]

boston was done. ainge made the right move to dump the vets. KG was completely washed after the trade. there was no way they were assembling a championship team around those guys.

right now they're in as good a spot as anybody not named GSW, are loaded with young talent for the long run, and are still owed first round picks going forward...

[objective]

they matter now, when these two can not play against good teams

a good point, one people posted about before the deals were signed

They can't play against GSW. Certainly not to finish a game. Hell, even with Kawhi next to him in game 1 WCF Mills was an atrocity and 0-6 from 3. Pau didn't even start half the playoffs, and came off the bench in games 3 & 4 against GS because he couldn't hang. Now that Houston has Paul, he might be better off the bench against them too.

Combined against Houston last night they were 2-9 (0-7 3%), with 10 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 turnovers, and 2 steals and 2 blocks.

27% of the cap delivered that line. Why would they be much better in the playoffs?

[cd021]

Frankly... Bryn has been shooting better than Bertans, and is shooting better than 50 Mills and Tony. I'd rather keep Bryn this season if you aren't bringing in a guard who can score.

Realize Murray doesn't really score that much, he doesn't shoot on top of that, Manu is on minutes limitations, 50 Mills is in a complacent mode bc he got paid and maybe needs a wake up call like Danny, (btw how is it that Danny gets yelled at and gets benched, yet 50 Mills is so brash as to state he got paid for the past and there is no pressure? and this dude is supposed to be a leader? GTFO Pop).... Tony is just washed up.

I flat out hate watching Forbes play and despite his good shooting numbers, I still would much rather have Willie and keep Davis than have Willie and keep Forbes. He seems destined to walk in FA, if there is any way to swap him for an undervalued, young big, with years remaining on his deal then I am all for that

[Leetonidas]

Boston is a much harder opponents and a much better fit against GSW.

They will get swept and blown out in every game if they make it to the finals. So it doesn't matter if they matchup better in theory. Marcus Smart and Jason Tatum aren't stopping Curry and Durant

[Leetonidas]

Gasol.. Pop has wanted him for years. Notoriously didn't want to sign with the Spurs, was it in 2014? He got more money in Chicago. Pop still wanted him and when Timmy retired, Pop wasn't really ready to embrace an era that was more perimeter oriented and he wanted 2 bigs. To be fair, Pop likes Durant's game but he chose to go to GSW.

HIs initial contract was signed in the summer of 2016, a year that many foolish and over the top contracts were handed out to roleplayers. I thought the Spurs giving him his deal for just 2 seasons was a great way for them to have handled the ridiculous prices and contracts given out in 2016... but of course, then they went and splashed up 2 seasons on top of it. :lol

His random infatuation with a 2 big lineup makes no sense either considering for the longest time he had players like Horry/Bonner/Diaw playing next to Tim or Tiago who is a mobile big that can switch on the perimeter. I have no idea why he has a hard on for slow bigs now.

[Ice009]

First, the team may have agreed to waive set-off rights (this is usual in buyouts). Second, even if set-off rights weren't waived, he only has to give up half of whatever he makes over the min.

Can you explain this in further detail? What are set-off rights?

[Chinook]

Can you explain this in further detail? What are set-off rights?

So whenever a team waives a player with guaranteed salary, they are allowed to set-off money based on that player's next contract, provided it's for a period previously covered by guaranteed money). So like if the Spurs waived Mills, they could set-off compensation he got over this season and the next three. Any money that gets set-off is money the previous team doesn't have to pay their former player. The amount a team can set off is equal to half of whatever that player makes over the minimum. So if a player who has $5 Million guaranteed is waived, and then that player signs at another team for the same $5 Million, then the first team is allowed to set off half of $5 Million-min. If the min is a cool million, the team can set off $2 Million (five minus one equaling four and four divided by two equaling two).

That's probably pretty clunky. It doesn't often come up, because in the two most common cases where guys are waive, they're either owed the min or less (in which case set-off doesn't come into effect) or it's a buyout situation where teams usually waive set-off rights in exchange for the player giving up some money.

[Snaq O'Meal]

His random infatuation with a 2 big lineup makes no sense either considering for the longest time he had players like Horry/Bonner/Diaw playing next to Tim or Tiago who is a mobile big that can switch on the perimeter. I have no idea why he has a hard on for slow bigs now.

Poop tends to copy opponents that knocked the Spurs out of the playoffs. After Olajuwon + 4 outside shooters knocked out the Spurs, we saw the copycat 4-down plays with floor spacers during Duncan’s prime years. After OKC’s moustached brothers pushed Poop’s shit in, we now have our own 2-big lineups.

[Ice009]

So whenever a team waives a player with guaranteed salary, they are allowed to set-off money based on that player's next contract, provided it's for a period previously covered by guaranteed money). So like if the Spurs waived Mills, they could set-off compensation he got over this season and the next three. Any money that gets set-off is money the previous team doesn't have to pay their former player. The amount a team can set off is equal to half of whatever that player makes over the minimum. So if a player who has $5 Million guaranteed is waived, and then that player signs at another team for the same $5 Million, then the first team is allowed to set off half of $5 Million-min. If the min is a cool million, the team can set off $2 Million (five minus one equaling four and four divided by two equaling two).

That's probably pretty clunky. It doesn't often come up, because in the two most common cases where guys are waive, they're either owed the min or less (in which case set-off doesn't come into effect) or it's a buyout situation where teams usually waive set-off rights in exchange for the player giving up some money.

Cool. Thanks for explanation. I didn't know you could do that.

[cjw]

Pau will not 'essentially' be an expiring.

How many expirings actually have an extra year at 6.7 million?

Pau's guarantee is so large that the Spurs couldn't even cover it with cash considerations to pay for the other team to cut him.

If it was a guarantee of $1 million, or $2 million ... sure.

But 6.7 million?

That's not an expiring, or a more-or-less expiring.

Not just that, but there’s a big difference between having a deal that expires at the end of the season on July 1 (start of league year) and the start of the season or heck, even August 1. Kills cap space the time of year it matters most while later it can be used in a deal.

The $6.7 million guarantee is only valuable if the Spurs are trying to add a player who makes a lot more from a team looking to shed salary with waiving him. Takes a very specific circumstance. This is not the Brendan Haywood contract of a few years ago as you correctly note.

[NASpurs]

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The $6.7 million guarantee is only valuable if the Spurs are trying to add a player who makes a lot more from a team looking to shed salary with waiving him. Takes a very specific circumstance. This is not the Brendan Haywood contract of a few years ago as you correctly note.

Pretty sure in the new CBA players can be traded only with the guaranteed value of their contracts, so that loophole no longer exists.

[Chinook]

Pretty sure in the new CBA players can be traded only with the guaranteed value of their contracts, so that loophole no longer exists.

Only if traded in his final year. If treated as a psuedo-expiring next season, he can be traded as normal. Not even sure if the restrictions even kick in for draft-day trades

[Ice009]

Only if traded in his final year. If treated as a psuedo-expiring next season, he can be traded as normal. Not even sure if the restrictions even kick in for draft-day trades

Interesting. So are you saying that you might be able to trade him after the draft, but before free agency begins at the full contract value? Does his trade value decrease to 6M when free agency starts next year (2019 free agency)?

[Chinook]

Interesting. So are you saying that you might be able to trade him after the draft, but before free agency begins at the full contract value? Does his trade value decrease to 6M when free agency starts next year (2019 free agency)?

I'm not sure when the official cutoff is. It well could be after next year's deadline. I'm just saying it might be possible to do such a trade.

[tbdog]

Aaron Gordon could be had if we take on Biyomba. It would take two 1sts though, Green and Parker/Mills.

[spursistan]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

:wow

[r0drig0lac]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

:wow
THANKS GOD

[CGD]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

:wow

LOL!!

[LittleCriminal]

I bet Mills fakes a groin injury or some shit so he can't be dealt..

[SpurPadre]

Don't worry guys, HE is coming back...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg

[BatManu20]

Boston now messing around if they pull this off.


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[marinoman]

...

[weeks]

He deleted the tweets or something
:lol:lol

[marinoman]

:lol:lol
I looked at the tweet , saw mills’ name, didn’t originally read it

[BatManu20]

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[jermaine]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

:wow

Is this real or fake?

[Ron Swanson]

What do you think?

[jermaine]

I like Mills, but a change is needed

[TheDoctor]

I like Mills, but a change is needed
:lmao but I agree

[dabom]

Is this real or fake?

Real.

[jermaine]

Well, I guess it's kinda been in the making when they decided to start Murray.

[BillMc]

Is this real or fake?
Fake

[CGD]

Is this real or fake?

Lol

[weeks]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..



Is this real or fake?

:lol what do you think dude

"a cultural sweetener" :rollin

[jermaine]

I'm not talking about that part... DUUUUUUUH.

[Brunodf]

Still can't believe the Spurs signed two soft jump shooters bigs like Aldridge and Gasol and gifted Mills an elite level guard contract :lol

[Dverde]

Only Spur I see moving is Danny Green. Maybe some low end bench players to make a deal work. They are not trading Patty, Parker, Gasol, Manu, LMA, Kawhi...

[SAGirl]

warning that he's not that good of a shooter for someone who likes to score, and not a good passer/defender... however, he can score the basketball and might be cheap this season since he is on a min. deal. It would probably be a one season rental. fwiw
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[MaNu4Tres]

warning that he's not that good of a shooter for someone who likes to score, and not a good passer/defender... however, he can score the basketball and might be cheap this season since he is on a min. deal. It would probably be a one season rental. fwiw
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Like Bogut, he's been so terrible this year.

Pass.

Insta- Fold.

[BatManu20]

Hard pass on Shabazz. He's not getting PT because he's not good. Last thing we need right now is another Guard who can't shoot.

[SAGirl]

Like Bogut, he's been so terrible this year.

Pass.

Insta- Fold.


Hard pass on Shabazz. He's not getting PT because he's not good. Last thing we need right now is another Guard who can't shoot.

I agree... just thought I'd throw it out.
The worst aspect of picking up someone who is supposed to be a "scorer" but that isn't good is that Pop would start playing him even if he's undeserving bc he's a vet and they need scoring. Reminds me of Kevin Martin.

I do not want either.

[duncan2150]

Still can't believe the Spurs signed two soft jump shooters bigs like Aldridge and Gasol and gifted Mills an elite level guard contract :lol

Aldridge is the main reason Why we are third in the west actually so...

agree also about muhamad, he’s not what we need.

[MaNu4Tres]

Promote White.

Dump Mills.

Move Tony to player coach role in a suit.

That's a start in the right direction tbh..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Still can't believe the Spurs signed two soft jump shooters bigs like Aldridge and Gasol and gifted Mills an elite level guard contract :lol

Aldridge leads the league in post up FGAs.

[Brunodf]

Aldridge leads the league in post up FGAs.
Yes FGA because his % is only 46%

[ace3g]

Well if Spurs are interested in Rodney Hood, perfect time to inquire about him while Jazz are in town.

[lmbebo]

Well if Spurs are interested in Rodney Hood, perfect time to inquire about him while Jazz are in town.

Would they trade Hood? Thought they liked him.

[Robz4000]

Spurs need to dump Mills while teams still don't realize how bad he is.

[KDKSpurs24]

Spurs need to dump Mills while teams still don't realize how bad he is.
They realize..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yes FGA because his % is only 46%

0.96 PPP is pretty damn elite at post up scoring.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs need to dump Mills while teams still don't realize how bad he is.


They realize..

They realized before 12:01.

[lmbebo]

Just speculation by the author:

"At just 21 years of age and with two more years left on his rookie contract, the last of which is still a team option, there’s a lot to like about Beasley. A young team with a solid core such as the Utah Jazz (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz) could add him as another piece of their future, or even a playoff team like the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/san-antonio-spurs) could see him as a cost effective way to shore up wing depth right now, with the benefits of him developing into something more down the road."

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/2/2/16965504/rumor-denver-nuggets-making-malik-beasley-available-in-a-trade-interested-in-rodney-hood

I know very little of Malik Beasley .

[BatManu20]

Stating to get a feeling like the Spurs might actually make a move. We kinda have to imo.



On another note, Lebron and the Spurs need each other rn tbh.

[Keepin' it real]

Would be funny if the Spurs trade Aldridge and suddenly Kawhi is healthy.

[SAGirl]

Would be funny if the Spurs trade Aldridge and suddenly Kawhi is healthy.
:wow

wow these are not the Spurs from the Duncan era for sure... wow...

[cd021]

Stating to get a feeling like the Spurs might actually make a move. We kinda have to imo.



On another note, Lebron and the Spurs need each other rn tbh.

Yeah, for the first time that I have been a fan I am kinda of expecting a move to be made.

[MaNu4Tres]

0.96 PPP is pretty damn elite at post up scoring.

If only every team posted up as many times as the Spurs do -- then that would be an advantage. Unfortunately that's not the case as teams can manufacture better shots instead.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If only every team posted up as many times as the Spurs do -- then that would be an advantage. Unfortunately that's not the case as teams can manufacture better shots instead.

Teams have playmakers and generally don't miss two of their three best scorers.

[cd021]

0.96 PPP is pretty damn elite at post up scoring.

I don't have any issues with his post ups, though it goes to show how much the NBA has changed though.

Having an inside out oriented offensive, it doesn't help that the Spurs are taking only 24.5 3's a game (ranked 24th) and hitting only 36% on them (17th)

[TheDoctor]

Would be funny if the Spurs trade Aldridge and suddenly Kawhi is healthy.
https://media.giphy.com/media/svb8tKSIpGfHq/giphy.gif

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't have any issues with his post ups, though it goes to show how much the NBA has changed though.

Having an inside out oriented offensive, it doesn't help that the Spurs are taking only 24.5 3's a game (ranked 24th) and hitting only 36% on them (17th)

Yep, totally agree with you. With the current personnel they have no other way to run an offense and Aldridge has been a good offensive focal point, however, when the shooters aren't hitting and when you have 2 players in the starting line-up who refuse to shoot, as well as no one to create or penetrate, this is what you get.

Kawhi can't return soon enough.

[UZER]

Mills is the new Bonner. Has no business being on this roster anymore. Brings nothing but the occasional 3 against scrub teams.

But his locker room culture. :cry

[spursistan]

They will need to make a move if only to shake up the overall morosity pervading the team..We all knew we were being kidded when they told us that some marginal role player is getting paid 50 millions to uphold det joyful "team culture"..

[Keepin' it real]

https://media.giphy.com/media/svb8tKSIpGfHq/giphy.gif

:lol

[TD 21]

Nets wanted Mills last off season, Hornets want to cut salary, Spurs desperately need a starting PG / third star to not only contend, but possibly to get Leonard to extend too . . .

To Nets: Mills
To Hornets: Lin, Gay, Murray, Bertans, 1st
To Spurs: Walker, Williams

Would leave Spurs with enough breathing room under the tax to sign a big for the prorated minimum and duck the tax.

[objective]

Nets wanted Mills last off season, Hornets want to cut salary, Spurs desperately need a starting PG / third star to not only contend, but possibly to get Leonard to extend too . . .

To Nets: Mills
To Hornets: Lin, Gay, Murray, Bertans, 1st
To Spurs: Walker, Williams

Would leave Spurs with enough breathing room under the tax to sign a big for the prorated minimum and duck the tax.

Never heard the Nets having interest, or at least I don't remember it.

Doesn't really make sense, they still had Lin and traded for DeAngelo Russell before the draft.

[TD 21]

Never heard the Nets having interest, or at least I don't remember it.

Doesn't really make sense, they still had Lin and traded for DeAngelo Russell before the draft.

Can't find it, but am pretty sure Lowe tweeted it after Spurs re-signed Mills. He also called it a good deal for Spurs.

Guessing they saw him as someone who could set the tone for the type of culture they want to have, an ideal mentor for Russell and someone who can play some alongside of him, too. Lin likely would have become trade fodder.

[SAGirl]

They will need to make a move if only to shake up the overall morosity pervading the team..We all knew we were being kidded when they told us that some marginal role player is getting paid 50 millions to uphold det joyful "team culture"..
Pop's move:
cut Brandon Paul and sign Hilliard for the rest of the season...

actually I have no idea about these two... but that is pretty much what I expect... either something minor like that or nothing.