NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[Ice009]

New Rumors are Kawhi to the Celtics for Brown Or Tatum and a combo of other players. Hell, at this point might as well. Then we can trade LaSharkus for another pick and start the rebuilding process. The front office knows of any rifts for sure. If these are not rumors, pull the trigger. Noone is beating GS for another 2-3 years anyway.

Where are these rumours coming from? I'd want both Tatum AND Brown at a minimum to even consider it.

I wouldn't be relenting like Cleveland did and not get Brown in a potential deal. Even getting both still wouldn't excite me. Really, if Kawhi was healthy right now and playing like he was in the playoffs, I wouldn't even accept both Kyrie and Tatum for him.

The only player I would consider a 1:1 swap for him might be Anthony Davis.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs are still trying to win. Getting an expiring does the same thing but gets an actual player like Bradley. But ya, moving Mills for just a pick is not horrible since SA has guards already on the roster.

I'm ready to see more Murray, Forbes and White. Tony is fine in a back up 20 minute role. They'd be just as good on the court without Patty.

I value next years draft more than I do Bradley playing for the Spurs for 3 months. Next years draft is loaded.

[DAF86]

There's no realistic trade that could be made to send Kawhi to the Celtics that doesn't involve getting one of Kyrie, Horford or Hayward back.

[dabom]

I’m with you that Mills is not as bad as people make him out to be. The issue is he’s overpaid and we know SA has other players that are much cheaper and can do a good enough job.

It’s about opportunity cost and flexibility while not tanking the chances to win now.

He's not overpaid you dumb fuck. :lol

[dabom]

Porker is overpaid.

[Ice009]

There's no realistic trade that could be made to send Kawhi to the Celtics that doesn't involve getting one of Kyrie, Horford or Hayward back.

I'd agree, but even getting one of those players back by themselves seems pretty bland to me. One of those trade proposals mentioned getting either Tatum or Brown by themselves with filler added. I wouldn't even answer the phone for that shit. This ain't Cleveland. We don't accept trash.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Pierce overreacting per par.

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[BatManu20]

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[dabom]

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and a .497%TS. :lol

[Leetonidas]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?

I would like this deal if Bradley weren't expiring though that's why he's on the block to begin with

[DAF86]

I would like this deal if Bradley weren't expiring though that's why he's on the block to begin with

That's the main point of the trade, though: dump salary.

[DPG21920]

2017-18 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01/gamelog/2018/)
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and a .497%TS. :lol

Party is at best grading out as a slightly below average overall player and he's making more than average money. He's overpaid.

[dabom]

Party is at best grading out as a slightly below average overall player and he's making more than average money. He's overpaid.

1/11 the team salary is peanuts dude.

Patty would be making 5mil per 4 years with a salary cap of 60 mil. :lol

[dabom]

Green got a 40mil plus deal and could have gotten more. :lol

And he's a role player.

Patty is not even getting role player money to be a closer. :lmao

[dabom]

Facts.

[MaNu4Tres]

Patty & (Bertans or Paul) To the Knicks

for

Jack (expiring), McDermott (expiring), Ron Baker.(player option for 18/19 for 4.5 mil).

[mo7888]

There's no realistic trade that could be made to send Kawhi to the Celtics that doesn't involve getting one of Kyrie, Horford or Hayward back.

I expect it will be hayward. Spurs would also need Tatum in that scenario and would have to send out patty or Danny plus another couple of million to make the numbers work. I guess the Celts could take kawhi, danny and patty and send hayward, tatum and either brown or smart and that would make the numbers work.

[Chinook]

Patty & (Bertans or Paul) To the Knicks

for

Jack (expiring), McDermott (expiring), Ron Baker.(player option for 18/19 for 4.5 mil).

They'd likely have to move all three of Mills/Bertans/Paul in addition to a first to make that happen. I've nothing bad to say about Baker, but I have nothing good either. I don't know who the dude is, and the though of giving a guy with that description a PO is disturbing. May as well keep Patty for another year and try to dump him next deadline. Or they could swap out Baker for O'Quinn and actually attempt to improve the roster a bit rather than just dumping a guy.

[DPG21920]

You can be a small % of the cap and still be overpaid. They are not mutually exclusive. Beyond that point it's about flexibility and resources. If SA has younger, cheaper and arguably more effective players would it not make sense to give them time (like Murray) while simultaneously opening up cap space?

[DAF86]

I expect it will be hayward. Spurs would also need Tatum in that scenario and would have to send out patty or Danny plus another couple of million to make the numbers work. I guess the Celts could take kawhi, danny and patty and send hayward, tatum and either brown or smart and that would make the numbers work.

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Rozier for Kawhi, Green and Mills works. Would I do it? meeeehnah.

[dabom]

You can be a small % of the cap and still be overpaid. They are not mutually exclusive. Beyond that point it's about flexibility and resources. If SA has younger, cheaper and arguably more effective players would it not make sense to give them time (like Murray) while simultaneously opening up cap space?

Why not get rid of porker then? He's the worst player of the three. And getting paid 15mil to do jack shit. :lol

[spurraider21]

upgrade joff

pray that kawhi is playoff ready

thats really all we can do

[DPG21920]

Why not get rid of porker then? He's the worst player of the three. And getting paid 15mil to do jack shit. :lol

Because TP can still do things Mills cannot and his contract is done after this year while Mills is not.

[spurraider21]

Why not get rid of porker then? He's the worst player of the three. And getting paid 15mil to do jack shit. :lol
he's expiring. mills will be an albatross for 3 more years

[dabom]

Because TP can still do things Mills cannot and his contract is done after this year while Mills is not.

But then you'd have to play Porker/Murray in the playoffs. :lmao

[tbdog]

Sure, but this free’s up the Mills money to at least make that decision. Give Bradley a look, see how he fits within SA then evaluate. Worst case, you got a look at a good player and you now have freed up the Mills money for more flexibility if you let Bradley walk (it costs SA that late first for that flexlibity and is that worth it?)

I think trading mills or even Green and a 1st for Bradley is a slight overpay considering Bradley has played poorly this season and is on a contract year. If the spurs were healthy and felt like they could win it all, then perhaps I could see the Spurs making that deal in the hopes it pushes them ahead. Bradley can defiantly play defense and scores more regularly than both Mills and Green. This league needs these 2 way players and we need more of them. But Spurs could trade Mills next season and perhaps only attached a second or two to make the deal happen if they wanted to free up some space.


I am all for it btw, but it isn't clear cut. I think Murray and Forbes has shown enough to suggest that Mills is expendable. And Bradley can play with both Murray and Parker in the backcourt against teams like Warriors and Rockets, even Twolves. We can't say the same for Mills.

[dabom]

he's expiring. mills will be an albatross for 3 more years

And yet he is the 2nd best player on this team. :lol

[DAF86]

Because TP can still do things Mills cannot

And Mills can do things that Parker can't, and arguably more important things for today's NBA. Horrible argument.


and his contract is done after this year while Mills is not.

This is all you should have gone with. That and the fact that Tony is a Spurs' legend that will never get traded.

[DPG21920]

But then you'd have to play Porker/Murray in the playoffs. :lmao

TP/Murray/Manu/Forbes/Bradley/BP3.

You lose nothing with having Bradley in there for Mills but you get more cap flexible.

[mo7888]

Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Rozier for Kawhi, Green and Mills works. Would I do it? meeeehnah.

I wasn't trying to say we would do it. I was just pointing out that Hayward would have to be part of it to make the numbers work in the trade and long term for the Celts salary cap situation.

[dabom]

TP/Murray/Manu/Forbes/Bradley/BP3.

You lose nothing with having Bradley in there for Mills but you get more cap flexible.

And yet Patty is the best player of that group. :lol

[DPG21920]

And Mills can do things that Parker can't, and arguably more important things for today's NBA. Horrible argument.



This is all you should have gone with. That and the fact that Tony is a Spurs' legend that will never get traded.

Nah the only thing Mills can do better than TP is shoot the 3. That can be replaced on this roster already. TP is already way better at being a 2nd unit POINT GUARD than Mills ever was. TPs ability to create for others off the bench is more valuable and cannot be replaced let alone the financial piece.

[dabom]

Nah the only thing Mills can do better than TP is shoot the 3. That can be replaced on this roster already. TP is already way better at being a 2nd unit POINT GUARD than Mills ever was. TPs ability to create for others off the bench is more valuable and cannot be replaced let alone the financial piece.

:lmao

[DPG21920]

Who can create better as the 2nd unit Pg on the roster over TP?

[dabom]

Who can create better as the 2nd unit Pg on the roster over TP?

The spurs get better if they drop porker all together. :lol

[spurraider21]

And yet he is the 2nd best player on this team. :lol
you keep saying that, but it's not true. has played 2nd most minutes tho, which explains why we're having our worst season in decades

[dabom]

you keep saying that, but it's not true. has played 2nd most minutes tho, which explains why we're having our worst season in decades

Almost like the entire team can't get healthy. Lets blame Patty. :lmao

[DPG21920]

The spurs get better if they drop porker all together. :lol

If your argument in a bubble is who's currently the better player? Sure I'd buy Mills. But that's not the argument. It's about salaries in addition to skillset and overlap on the current roster.

Mills would free up money/flexibility, there are current players on the roster that can approximate what he brings and TP although probably worse overall has a better contract and a skillset that cannot be replicated as easily.

[DAF86]

Nah the only thing Mills can do better than TP is shoot the 3. That can be replaced on this roster already.

By whom? It certainly can't be replaceable by the other two PGs on the roster, tbh. Besides, there isn't such thing as too much shooting.


TP is already way better at being a 2nd unit POINT GUARD than Mills ever was. TPs ability to create for others off the bench is more valuable and cannot be replaced let alone the financial piece.

Under your same reasoning I can tell you that we already have guys that can create for others coming off the bench. And unlike shooting, there can exist such a thing as having too many ball handlers.

[TheGreatYacht]

By whom? It certainly can't be replaceable by the other two PGs on the roster, tbh..
Forbes can replace him, and he'd be better.

[DPG21920]

By whom? It certainly can't be replaceable by the other two PGs on the roster, tbh. Besides, there isn't such thing as too much shooting.



Under your same reasoning I can tell you that we already have guys that can create for others coming off the bench. And unlike shooting, there can exist such thing as having too many ball handlers.

Nah / you can't really make that argument at all. Especially at the PG position. Mills is a PG/SG hybrid. Forbes is already shooting better than Mills from 3, Manu is there and even Danny in a bad year has a 3PT% that is close to Mills IIRC

There is really no one close on the roster at PG that can run offense like TP can or even get into the paint like he does even if his overall impact is marginal

[gambit1990]

The spurs get better if they drop porker all together. :lol

[dabom]

If your argument in a bubble is who's currently the better player? Sure I'd buy Mills. But that's not the argument. It's about salaries in addition to skillset and overlap on the current roster.

Mills would free up money/flexibility, there are current players on the roster that can approximate what he brings and TP although probably worse overall has a better contract and a skillset that cannot be replicated as easily.

First of all, Patty's salary is peanuts. You already made flexibility signing him. I'm pretty sure Patty had bigger offers per year but 3 years. Spurs offered less money per and added an extra year.

And people still bitch about his contract. :lol

He's healthy and playing well. And we still wanna cut his ass for no reason. :lol

[spurraider21]

First of all, Patty's salary is peanuts. You already made flexibility signing him. I'm pretty sure Patty had bigger offers per year but 3 years. Spurs offered less money per and added an extra year.

And people still bitch about his contract. :lol

He's healthy and playing well. And we still wanna cut his ass for no reason. :lol
:lmao midnight signing

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao

[dabom]

:lmao midnight signing

You know how the offseason works right? :lol

[dabom]

Even Patty Mills said he took in other offers. :lol

[dabom]

The level of stupidity here. :lol

[DPG21920]

I'm not saying dump him for nothing. Some are ok with that but I would prefer to get a player. That's why my deal was for Bradley

[DAF86]

Nah / you can't really make that argument at all. Especially at the PG position.

What argument?



Mills is a PG/SG hybrid. Forbes is already shooting better than Mills from 3, Manu is there and even Danny in a bad year has a 3PT% that is close to Mills IIRC

There is really no one close on the roster at PG that can run offense like TP can or even get into the paint like he does even if his overall impact is marginal

Everybody knows that Manu has been the de facto PG of the bench for the past decade and he has done a pretty damn well job at it, and considering that when/if everybody is healthy, Anderson and Gay will do a lot of ball handling off the bench too, there really isn't much of a need for yet another ball-handler on that squad, tbh.

It makes a lot more sense to have Mills alongside Manu, Anderson, Gay and Gasol/Aldridge (the suppossed bench unit with everybody healthy) than having Parker in there, tbh.

[TheDoctor]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?
I really like this trade actually. If Bradley is not hitting his shots at least we can use his defense (contrary to 50Mills).

[marinoman]

An upgrade at pg is our number 1 need imo, anyone but Aldridge and kawhi for kemba

[objective]

Patty Mills & a top 20 protected 1st for Avery Bradley. Who says no?

Detroit.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Spurs quickly shooting down KL trade calls -

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/report-spurs-quickly-shooting-down-kawhi-leonard-trade-calls/

[Atl Spur]

I wouldn’t oppose trading Danny for Bradley in some type of structured deal; him, Murray, and kawhi would be sick on the perimeter.

[DPG21920]

What argument?




Everybody knows that Manu has been the de facto PG of the bench for the past decade and he has done a pretty damn well job at it, and considering that when/if everybody is healthy, Anderson and Gay will do a lot of ball handling off the bench too, there really isn't much of a need for yet another ball-handler on that squad, tbh.

It makes a lot more sense to have Mills alongside Manu, Anderson, Gay and Gasol/Aldridge (the suppossed bench unit with everybody healthy) than having Parker in there, tbh.

The argument that what TP does well is replaceable based on current personnel as much as that stands for Mills.

[TD 21]

- Mills makes no sense for Pistons. If they plan is to get out of paying Bradley, then why would they pay Mills, when they already have two expensive PG's? He wouldn't even solve their need for a creator.

- Bradley makes no sense for Spurs, either. Green consistently grades out as better, yet will probably re-sign for something like $5M less annually than what someone pays Bradley. Also, a back court rotation of Bradley-Murray, Parker-Forbes beyond this season, would be pint sized.

- Agree with Chinook, that failing a Walker trade, they should be open to moving the 1st for the right project big.

- If the Leonard news is true and the relationship proves irreparable, anyone who doesn't think Brown, Tatum, a 1st and salary filler, would be a good trade hasn't paid attention to most star trades.




Not sure I understood. So you're not giving up the pick and would prefer the Spurs to stand pat, or you'd send it for a half a year rental like Evans or someone of that ilk?


I'd prefer them to keep the pick and to not do something crazy. There's no one they can realistically acquire that would make a difference this season (

and no, Kemba isn't coming for a late pick
).



Clearly, it would depend on their evaluation of Murray. I never said my proposal was great value, but it's highly unlikely they get that for reasons discussed as nauseam. 1) Star players rarely get traded for perceived good value (Gasol, Harden, Cousins, Butler, George, etc.), 2) He's a lesser star, playing the league's most saturated position, 3) They're determined to dump a bloated contract with him.

[Atl Spur]

- Mills makes no sense for Pistons. If they plan is to get out of paying Bradley, then why would they pay Mills, when they already have two expensive PG's? He wouldn't even solve their need for a creator.

- Bradley makes no sense for Spurs, either. Green consistently grades out as better, yet will probably re-sign for something like $5M less annually than what someone pays Bradley. Also, a back court rotation of Bradley-Murray, Parker-Forbes beyond this season, would be pint sized.

- Agree with Chinook, that failing a Walker trade, they should be open to moving the 1st for the right project big.

- If the Leonard news is true and the relationship proves irreparable, anyone who doesn't think Brown, Tatum, a 1st and salary filler, would be a good trade hasn't paid attention to most star trades.






Clearly, it would depend on their evaluation of Murray. I never said my proposal was great value, but it's highly unlikely they get that for reasons discussed as nauseam. 1) Star players rarely get traded for perceived good value (Gasol, Harden, Cousins, Butler, George, etc.), 2) He's a lesser star, playing the league's most saturated position, 3) They're determined to dump a bloated contract with him.

Give me Bradley and his versatility over Green any day! Kawhi isn’t being traded unless he demands it.......

[DPG21920]

- Mills makes no sense for Pistons. If they plan is to get out of paying Bradley, then why would they pay Mills, when they already have two expensive PG's? He wouldn't even solve their need for a creator.

- Bradley makes no sense for Spurs, either. Green consistently grades out as better, yet will probably re-sign for something like $5M less annually than what someone pays Bradley. Also, a back court rotation of Bradley-Murray, Parker-Forbes beyond this season, would be pint sized.

- Agree with Chinook, that failing a Walker trade, they should be open to moving the 1st for the right project big.

- If the Leonard news is true and the relationship proves irreparable, anyone who doesn't think Brown, Tatum, a 1st and salary filler, would be a good trade hasn't paid attention to most star trades.






Clearly, it would depend on their evaluation of Murray. I never said my proposal was great value, but it's highly unlikely they get that for reasons discussed as nauseam. 1) Star players rarely get traded for perceived good value (Gasol, Harden, Cousins, Butler, George, etc.), 2) He's a lesser star, playing the league's most saturated position, 3) They're determined to dump a bloated contract with him.

Well, the part about the Bradley trade that is unclear at this point is if DET is wanting a player back (that is early indications). They dont want to get out of paying Bradley; they want to get out of paying Bradley because he has not fit well. If he was playing great I think they would be happy to re-sign him.

It’s because of that they might want Mills. He provides shooting they really seem to need and is much cheaper than Bradley will be.

Speculation of course at this point, but it does not seem like DET just wants to shed salary yet.

[spurraider21]

:lol thinking ST trade proposals consider the other team's needs

for years we were trying to trade blair/bonner to teams...

[DPG21920]

It does seem that between other teams looking so good, things changing with SA and the general age that SA may be inclined to make a move. Even if it’s just to appease fans and “do something”.

[objective]

Well, the part about the Bradley trade that is unclear at this point is if DET is wanting a player back (that is early indications). They dont want to get out of paying Bradley; they want to get out of paying Bradley because he has not fit well. If he was playing great I think they would be happy to re-sign him.

It’s because of that they might want Mills. He provides shooting they really seem to need and is much cheaper than Bradley will be.

Speculation of course at this point, but it does not seem like DET just wants to shed salary yet.

They're paying Reggie Jackson (6-3), Ish Smith (6-0), and Langston Galloway (6-2) a guaranteed $28.6 million this year and $30 million for 18/19. And Jackson and Galloway still on the books for 19/20 at $25.4 million.

I don't see how they'd want to add 6-0 Mills to that line-up and his 10.7 this year, 11.6 in 18/19, 12.4 in 19/20, and 13.3 in 20/21

[TD 21]

Give me Bradley and his versatility over Green any day! Kawhi isn’t being traded unless he demands it.......


Bradley is essentially a smaller, worse version of Green, with an inflated reputation.

That's why I specifically said "if the news is true and the relationship proves irreparable".



Well, the part about the Bradley trade that is unclear at this point is if DET is wanting a player back (that is early indications). They dont want to get out of paying Bradley; they want to get out of paying Bradley because he has not fit well. If he was playing great I think they would be happy to re-sign him.

It’s because of that they might want Mills. He provides shooting they really seem to need and is much cheaper than Bradley will be.

Speculation of course at this point, but it does not seem like DET just wants to shed salary yet.

I'm not saying they wouldn't want a player back, I'm saying it's highly unlikely that player would be Mills. They have 2 backup back court shooters, in Galloway and Kennard. If they move Bradley, depending on the return, they could be without a single starting wing.

[Chinook]

Give me Bradley and his versatility over Green any day! Kawhi isn’t being traded unless he demands it.......

Bradley isn't versatile. Green's been better than Avery in every way. It's even worse considering how terrible Bradley has been on offense this year. There's a reason Boston legit paid to get rid of him.

[DPG21920]

They're paying Reggie Jackson (6-3), Ish Smith (6-0), and Langston Galloway (6-2) a guaranteed $28.6 million this year and $30 million for 18/19. And Jackson and Galloway still on the books for 19/20 at $25.4 million.

I don't see how they'd want to add 6-0 Mills to that line-up and his 10.7 this year, 11.6 in 18/19, 12.4 in 19/20, and 13.3 in 20/21

And they still brought in Bradley at the expense of letting both Morris AND KCP go to do so. They wanted another scoring guard (and one they thought/knew would probably warrant a sizeable pay increase).

[Chinook]

Well, the part about the Bradley trade that is unclear at this point is if DET is wanting a player back (that is early indications). They dont want to get out of paying Bradley; they want to get out of paying Bradley because he has not fit well. If he was playing great I think they would be happy to re-sign him.

It’s because of that they might want Mills. He provides shooting they really seem to need and is much cheaper than Bradley will be.

Speculation of course at this point, but it does not seem like DET just wants to shed salary yet.

The Pistons are about to enter tax territory, so they definitely aren't eager to pay guys. They are in cap hell due to a lot of mid-tier contracts rather than any really huge ones outside of Drummond. I think Patty's deal would be okay for them, but his skill-set wouldn't be. If Danny had that deal, the Pistons would likely take him and even add a bit. I don't think they'd do so now, considering that Green may even get more than Bradley on the open market given the scandal going on with Avery and the very real chance that Green will snap into legit contract-year mode if dealt.

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't trade the 1st for a project big.

This upcoming draft is deep and loaded with bigs.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't trade the 1st for a project big.

This upcoming draft is deep and loaded with bigs.

So were the previous two drafts. Hell, even the draft before that had some good bigs in the middle.

[jermaine]

Spurs quickly shooting down KL trade calls -

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/report-spurs-quickly-shooting-down-kawhi-leonard-trade-calls/

How is this nigga frustrated with the Spurs?? Is this over the roster or his injury? I'm lost as fuck

[Spur|n|Austin]

How is this nigga frustrated with the Spurs?? Is this over the roster or his injury? I'm lost as fuck

I'm guessing you didn't read the very short article I linked. It didn't say anything about him being frustrated with the Spurs.

[MaNu4Tres]

So were the previous two drafts. Hell, even the draft before that had some good bigs in the middle.

True, but I'd rather save the 1st and the Spurs handpick their big and get the full 4-5 years of development, on a great salary.

Plus, 1st picks offer more value than past 1st round picks. 1st round picks are like new cars in that the value depreciates significantly after the first few months into their rookie deal unless they A) Get a lot of opportunity and B) Perform really well.

Spurs should be able to get a guy like Skal for something like Bertans or Kyle, rights to Milutinov, and a 2nd -- preserving the 1st.

[Dex]

How is this nigga frustrated with the Spurs?? Is this over the roster or his injury? I'm lost as fuck

Whispers coming out of the rumor mill are that Kawhi either feels that team doctors initially misdiagnosed his quad injury which has led to the current predicament, or that the FO isn't putting enough talent around him.

At this point, that's all they are...rumors.

[jermaine]

I'm guessing you didn't read the very short article I linked. It didn't say anything about him being frustrated with the Spurs.

As a matter of fact I did... it said it's frustrating for both sides. Bit I'm guessing it's the injury, not each other!?!

[jermaine]

Whispers coming out of the rumor mill are that Kawhi either feels that team doctors initially misdiagnosed his quad injury which has led to the current predicament, or that the FO isn't putting enough talent around him.

At this point, that's all they are...rumors.

That maybe true on the doctors part.. But if no one can find anything wrong!?! They didn't misdianose anything. An about the roster, Pau is the issue....

[DPG21920]

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[spurraider21]

958113159973408771
well then...

[Chinook]

Maybe West and Van Gundy are literally sitting on Griffin and talking, because I don't see this making sense otherwise.

[DPG21920]

Maybe West and Van Gundy are literally sitting on Griffin and talking, because I don't see this making sense otherwise.

:lol

[DPG21920]

I can’t imagine what DET has that would interest LAC? I mean Drummond but they already have Jordan. Even if they traded Jordan and just had Drummond that would be awful. Blake just signed and its not like DET has prime picks either.

[sasaint]

958113159973408771

Blake is really good when he is on the floor, but talk about damaged goods...

[jermaine]

Blake is really good when he is on the floor, but talk about damaged goods...

He plays more than the best 2 way player in the world.

[r0drig0lac]

958113159973408771

https://i.giphy.com/media/145hX7QVWqyili/giphy.webp

[sasaint]

He plays more than the best 2 way player in the world.

Not on average and not before this season. Blake is coming off two season-ending injuries in a row.

[DPG21920]

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I mean, what :lol So DET thinks that Blake/Jordan weren’t enough but Blake/Drummond would be? Ok.

[Robz4000]

958116857462034433

I mean, what :lol So DET thinks that Blake/Jordan weren’t enough but Blake/Drummond would be? Ok.

It'd at least make them competitive in the first round of the playoffs out East, and if they could draw Boston in the first round they'd cause some serious problems. Just don't see why the Clippers would do that trade at all.

[Chinook]

It'd at least make them competitive in the first round of the playoffs out East, and if they could draw Boston in the first round they'd cause some serious problems. Just don't see why the Clippers would do that trade at all.

They could reroute Harris and Bradley for more assets.

[DPG21920]

It'd at least make them competitive in the first round of the playoffs out East, and if they could draw Boston in the first round they'd cause some serious problems. Just don't see why the Clippers would do that trade at all.

I get why DET would do it, but why LAC. And even if you are DET it just seems kinda weird from a fit perspective

[DPG21920]

They could reroute Harris and Bradley for more assets.

Or trade Gallo (who mirrors Harris) and definitely trade Jordan. This would be a total blow up because basketball wise it makes no sense for LAC. They would be awful

[DPG21920]

I would not mind Harris for SA’s first rounder.

[Chinook]

I would not mind Harris for SA’s first rounder.

Then you'd have the matching salary to worry about

[Hoops Czar]

Done deal.

[r0drig0lac]

damn

[Robz4000]

:wow what a weird trade for LAC

Clipper Nation get in here

[spursistan]

That was completely out of left field and still doesn't make sense..:lol

[Hoops Czar]

They literally opted to keep Griffin over CP3 in the summer and then decided to trade Griffin 6 months later,

[DPG21920]

Well this shows why SA didn’t trade LMA. If this is what Blake fetched (very little talent and a mid-tier first round pick) then hell no I’m not moving LMA for that!

[Hoops Czar]

Can't wait to see side show Boban playing alnongside Jordan. That should be interesting to say the least.

[TD 21]

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I mean, what

:lol
So DET thinks that Blake/Jordan weren’t enough but Blake/Drummond would be? Ok.



A desperate franchise that can't draft or attract stars. Griffin would probably be their best player in a decade and outside of a washed up cups of coffee by Iverson and McGrady, their biggest star since Hill.

I don't get it from Clippers perspective. I know they could and did offer the best contract and he's breaking down, but in a league where stars are congregating, he not only stayed, he did so after they lost a superstar. By trading him in year 1 to an outpost for a non homerun package, they'll likely hurt their reputation in the league.

This would obviously mean they're all in on a re-build or load, so expect Jordan and Williams to follow suit. Beverley too, in the offseason.

Timing is everything. 1-2 years ago, Griffin goes for a lot more. Tack on a few more injuries, a fresh 5 year max contract and some signs of minor slippage and this is what you get.

[dabom]

Makes zero sense for clippers.

[spursistan]

And some thought we would be selling the farm for 3rd tier star like Kemba Walker :lmao..

[TheGreatYacht]

Trade the farm, Green, Green's mom, Green's sister for Lou Williams

[Leetonidas]

Blake Griffin traded for peanuts. Damn

[Robz4000]

On the plus side, this means the price for Walker can't be very high.

[SuperCam]

All stars moving for peanuts while PATFO sitting on their hands :bang

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly worth it for the Clippers just to get away from that contract. He can't stay on the court so how can you build around him? You can't. The clips are now going to do what they should have done this summer. Blow it up and start again.

[Chinook]

Blake Griffin traded for peanuts. Damn

Gives hope for a Kemba trade. There are a lot of mitigating circumstances for Blake, but he's at least a tier above Walker.

[Darius Bieber]

Pistons get Blake for basically nothing and the Spurs stay put.. This team is trash.

[spursistan]

Well this shows why SA didn’t trade LMA. If this is what Blake fetched (very little talent and a mid-tier first round pick) then hell no I’m not moving LMA for that!
Makes complete sense and i'm still not an Aldridge fan. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

Hell maybe the Clips will make a run at Lebron this summer now that Blake's contract is gone.

[r0drig0lac]

Jerry West cleaning the house,
rebuilding coming
DAJ is the next

[spursistan]

At this point a Mills/Murray/1st round pick might actually be a slight overpay for a guy like Walker in this market..Either the pick or Murray..

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly keep Jordan, Lou Williams, sign Lebron in the off season and the Clips are way better than they are today. I have no idea if they'll have the cap room to do it, but I think getting rid of BG was smart.

[bklynspursfan]

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[bklynspursfan]

Honestly keep Jordan, Lou Williams, sign Lebron in the off season and the Clips are way better than they are today. I have no idea if they'll have the cap room to do it, but I think getting rid of BG was smart.

Beverly and Bradley in the back court is a feisty defensive back court. I'd be shocked if they keep Jordan but we'll see

[tmtcsc]

Maybe the Clips want to make a run at Boogie. More damaged goods but better upside. Keep an eye on Jordan next?

[objective]

That's the most they could get without word that Blake was on the block depressing his value? Yikes.

Couldn't even wait until the deadline to see if there was a better deal?

[Hoops Czar]

Gives hope for a Kemba trade. There are a lot of mitigating circumstances for Blake, but he's at least a tier above Walker.

Clips making moves to cut into that future payroll. Gee, I wonder who they're going to try to entice with all that cap space?

[MannyIsGod]

Blake at 30+ million a year is a horrible deal. I don't know why people here are surprised in this deal. He's a good player, but he's not elite, he can't stay on the court, and he's way too expensive. Detroit got the worst end of this deal, IMO. Only way it pays off for them is if BG all of a sudden plays 65+ games every year going forward.

[sasaint]

That's the most they could get without word that Blake was on the block depressing his value? Yikes.

Couldn't even wait until the deadline to see if there was a better deal?

Early move probably indicates more to come...

[Chinook]

Clips making moves to cut into that future payroll. Gee, I wonder who they're going to try to entice with all that cap space?

Dunno, but I don't think they'll be successful with no stars and having turned on their top guy after half a year.

[Robz4000]

Hell maybe the Clips will make a run at Lebron this summer now that Blake's contract is gone.


Honestly keep Jordan, Lou Williams, sign Lebron in the off season and the Clips are way better than they are today. I have no idea if they'll have the cap room to do it, but I think getting rid of BG was smart.

LeBron isn't gonna go to the Clippers with the lack of young talent (or talent in general really) on the roster. Griffin at least gave LeBron a fellow Top 10 star.

[bklynspursfan]

CP3 bout to be scrambling for the blue prints for the Pistons arena

[spurraider21]

I get why DET would do it, but why LAC. And even if you are DET it just seems kinda weird from a fit perspective
they have blake locked up for the last 4 years of his prime. its a no-brainer

[bklynspursfan]

LeBron isn't gonna go to the Clippers with the lack of young talent (or talent in general really) on the roster. Griffin at least gave LeBron a fellow Top 10 star.

Maybe PG joins him ? If it happens of course. I just can't see LeBron leaving the Leastern conference but who knows. Maybe at this point in his career he's cool with a big change

[spursistan]

Clippers not getting one of Stanley johnson or Luke Kennard in this deal in mind boggling :lol..


This is a classic teardown for a rebuild; you need every young prospect your can grab..

[MannyIsGod]

BG is not a top 10 player.

[Robz4000]

Maybe PG joins him ? If it happens of course. I just can't see LeBron leaving the Leastern conference but who knows. Maybe at this point in his career he's cool with a big change

PG either goes to the Lakers or stays in OKC (starting to think the latter now that he was selected to go to the ASG and is still putting up nice numbers on a team on the rise). Clippers are kicking the can down the road with this move, banking on the chance of signing Kawhi/AD.

[Robz4000]

BG is not a top 10 player.

When healthy he absolutely is. The health issues are a concern, however.

[MannyIsGod]

I guess they're completely blowing it up.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958125384717033472

[ace3g]

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[TheGreatYacht]

https://mk0slamonlinensgt39k.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-30-at-3.22.08-PM.png

Trade Danny, his snake, and a lifetime supply of rats for Lou Will

[MannyIsGod]

When healthy he absolutely is. The health issues are a concern, however.

Nope. Assuming all these players are healthy, he's behind:

Lebron
Curry
KD
Harden
Westbrook
Leonard
Davis
Boogie
Giannis
Kyrie

And there are more I could put on the list. Shit, you make me choose between LMA and Blake and I'm taking LMA (although you ask me this 4 months ago and I take BG)

[Robz4000]

958124659966439425

:lmao

[r0drig0lac]

BG is not a top 10 player.

right right

[TD 21]

- Griffin's injuries / breaking down, fresh 5 year max contract and subtle signs of slippage obviously depressed his value some . . . wouldn't go crazy thinking Spurs can get Walker for anything less than what I've repeatedly said though.

- Not a chance James would have considered Clippers with or without Griffin.

- Griffin's definitely not a top 10 player anymore. In some order, the top 9 are: James, Durant, Leonard, Curry, Davis, Antetokounmpo, Harden, Westbrook, Paul. Cousins' torn Achilles takes him out of running for 10, leaving Irving, Butler, Towns.

[Robz4000]

Nope. Assuming all these players are healthy, he's behind:

Lebron
Curry
KD
Harden
Westbrook
Leonard
Davis
Boogie
Giannis
Kyrie

And there are more I could put on the list. Shit, you make me choose between LMA and Blake and I'm taking LMA (although you ask me this 4 months ago and I take BG)

LeBron
Dominos
Kawhi
Curry
Harden
Westchimp
Davis
Griffin
Antetokounmpo

The 10th spot is up for debate since Boogie's achilles injury between him and Embiid. Kyrie Irving is somewhere right after that with PG, Butler, and Wall.

[Dex]

Who does LA keep or cut?

[Robz4000]

- Griffin's injuries / breaking down, fresh 5 year max contract and subtle signs of slippage obviously depressed his value some . . . wouldn't go crazy thinking Spurs can get Walker for anything less than what I've repeatedly said though.

- Not a chance James would have considered Clippers with or without Griffin.

- Griffin's definitely not a top 10 player anymore. In some order, the top 9 are: James, Durant, Leonard, Curry, Davis, Antetokounmpo, Harden, Westbrook, Paul. Cousins' torn Achilles takes him out of running for 10, leaving Irving, Butler, Towns.

Griffin isn't but CP0 is? Ok.

[TD 21]

Griffin isn't but CP0 is? Ok.

Easily. Paul's somehow still in his prime.

[MannyIsGod]

LeBron
Dominos
Kawhi
Curry
Harden
Westchimp
Davis
Griffin
Antetokounmpo

The 10th spot is up for debate since Boogie's achilles injury between him and Embiid. Kyrie Irving is somewhere right after that with PG, Butler, and Wall.

You want to remove Boogie, I just slide in Porzingus, Embiid, Simmons, Towns, or any number of players who are better than BG. If BG is top 20 then its borderline.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 26s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958132288025432065)
Clippers will continue to discuss contracts extensions at the right price, while engaging teams in trade talks on DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams. They'll try to do a hard thing in the NBA: Rebuild on the fly with younger players/picks, without gutting roster.


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 2m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958131776274227200)

For Clippers, three objectives with the trade were these: Stay competitive on the floor (two starters, Harris and Bradley). Get young players/draft picks and create some payroll flexibility. Organization isn't interested in bottoming out and tanking.

[ace3g]

Bobby Marks BobbyMarks42
(https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) 32m (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/958124471428136961)
Taking back the contracts of Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley and Boban Marjanovic now has the Clippers $629K below the luxury tax. The flexibility allows the Clippers to fill the 15th roster spot and stay below the tax. Tobias Harris has a current cap hit... espn.com/espn/now?nowId… (https://t.co/n7VQGcmZ2p)


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958132667492569088)

Talks on the Clippers-Pistons blockbuster started six days ago, but accelerated in the past 24 hours, league sources tell ESPN. The framework of a deal had been in place since early afternoon.

[Robz4000]

Easily. Paul's somehow still in his prime.

We talk about the injury concerns for Griffin but they're even worse for CP0. His knees are breaking down as I type this. At least Griffin is four years younger.

[Robz4000]

You want to remove Boogie, I just slide in Porzingus, Embiid, Simmons, Towns, or any number of players who are better than BG. If BG is top 20 then its borderline.

:lmao Porzingis. I love his potential as much as anyone but he's having a bad year on a bad team. Embiid is close to being better and prolly will be next year, so I'll give you him. Simmons is a rookie and still can't shoot. Towns is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen and has seemingly plateaued as a player.

[TD 21]

We talk about the injury concerns for Griffin but they're even worse for CP0. His knees are breaking down as I type this. At least Griffin is four years younger.

That relates to trade value though, which is a different discussion. We're talking current level of play.

Check out this little bastards advanced stats, they're literally aligned with where they've almost always been . . .

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

[Robz4000]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 26s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958132288025432065)
Clippers will continue to discuss contracts extensions at the right price, while engaging teams in trade talks on DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams. They'll try to do a hard thing in the NBA: Rebuild on the fly with younger players/picks, without gutting roster.


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 2m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958131776274227200)

For Clippers, three objectives with the trade were these: Stay competitive on the floor (two starters, Harris and Bradley). Get young players/draft picks and create some payroll flexibility. Organization isn't interested in bottoming out and tanking.




That literally makes no sense. They just became the worst team in the WC outside LA2/Memphis (who is injured as all fuck).

[Mikeanaro]

Blake to Detroit, that was unexpected.

[Robz4000]

That relates to trade value though, which is a different discussion. We're talking current level of play.

Check out this little bastards advanced stats, they're literally aligned with where they've almost always been . . .

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

Also need to keep in mind he plays in a system where offensive stats are massively inflated. He's still hanging around the Top 10 but I just can't put him in there due to the age factor and how PGs like him fall off a cliff suddenly.

[Dex]

That literally makes no sense. They just became the worst team in the WC outside LA2/Memphis (who is injured as all fuck).

The “stay competitive” narrative is likely just fluffer for the fans. That team is gonna be awful as all hell, especially if they move DJ as well. This has rebuild written all over it unless they can snatch Lebron this summer, but he is obviously about having his All Star cast around him.

[NASpurs]

Hey look, Pistons and the Clippers are going to be on TNT tomorrow right after a big trade. Every fucking time.

[Nathan89]

Cavs could put together a competitive team if they were willing to trade that draft pick to the Clippers. Cavs also have big contracts to pair with the asset. Perhaps there are better deals to be had but I'd go allin for that type of asset to start a rebuild.

[spurraider21]

Cavs could put together a competitive team if they were willing to trade that draft pick to the Clippers. Cavs also have big contracts to pair with the asset. Perhaps there are better deals to be had but I'd go allin for that type of asset to start a rebuild.
cleveland's in a tough spot. i mean naturally yeah you trade that pick and try to win now. but if lebron bolts and you traded that pick for deandre, you're screwed forever

[TD 21]

Also need to keep in mind he plays in a system where offensive stats are massively inflated. He's still hanging around the Top 10 but I just can't put him in there due to the age factor and how PGs like him fall off a cliff suddenly.

Counting stats can get inflated, but both his counting and advanced stats are aligned with where they've almost always been, including as recently as last season.

Age and prior history of similar types, is irrelevant. That's basically acknowledging that he is still a top 10 player, but saying you can't place him in it because you've predetermined he shouldn't be able to be because of those things. James is obviously better, but I'm guessing you wouldn't apply that (flawed) logic to him.

[spursistan]

And btw this is also Stan Van Gundy throwing a Hail Mary to save himself..He was probably getting fired from either or both GM/coach jobs if they miss the playoffs..

[mo7888]

Cavs could put together a competitive team if they were willing to trade that draft pick to the Clippers. Cavs also have big contracts to pair with the asset. Perhaps there are better deals to be had but I'd go allin for that type of asset to start a rebuild.

I don't think the Cavs have to trade that Brooklyn pick. If the market was just set in that Detroit trade their own 1st (mid 20's) might do it.

[weeks]

:lol all that nonsense with DeAndre and the Mavs
he looks like a total retard now

[Nathan89]

I don't think the Cavs have to trade that Brooklyn pick. If the market was just set in that Detroit trade their own 1st (mid 20's) might do it.

If that's all that the Cavs offer it opens the door to many more teams. Clippers might not get expiring contracts but that should be fine considering a rebuild time frame. Wizards for example would be able to make a comparable offer.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Porzingis. I love his potential as much as anyone but he's having a bad year on a bad team. Embiid is close to being better and prolly will be next year, so I'll give you him. Simmons is a rookie and still can't shoot. Towns is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen and has seemingly plateaued as a player.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01.html

That a bad year? What?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/townska01.html

At least as good as Blakes numbers and actualy stays healthy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01.html

Simmons can't shoot and is still filing up the stat sheet like no one since Grant Hill.

Overrate BG if you want, I guess.

[Robz4000]

Counting stats can get inflated, but both his counting and advanced stats are aligned with where they've almost always been, including as recently as last season.

Age and prior history of similar types, is irrelevant. That's basically acknowledging that he is still a top 10 player, but saying you can't place him in it because you've predetermined he shouldn't be able to be because of those things. James is obviously better, but I'm guessing you wouldn't apply that (flawed) logic to him.

James is the best or second best player to ever set foot on an NBA court and still should basically single handedly carries his team to the Finals this year. He's also had a lot more career success than Chris Paul so, yes, he gets more benefit of the doubt.

Like I said, his stats are where they're at because he's playing under D'Antoni in a system favorable to PGs. Is he still a hell of a player? Yes. However, I wouldn't consider him a Top 10 player anymore.

[LittleCriminal]

Please someone take Anderson and Mills!

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

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[TD 21]

James is the best or second best player to ever set foot on an NBA court and still should basically single handedly carries his team to the Finals this year. He's also had a lot more career success than Chris Paul so, yes, he gets more benefit of the doubt.

Like I said, his stats are where they're at because he's playing under D'Antoni in a system favorable to PGs. Is he still a hell of a player? Yes. However, I wouldn't consider him a Top 10 player anymore.

The point wasn't that Paul is James' equal, it's that the logic is flawed.

No, they're where they are because that's where they've almost always been.

There's no credible argument for anyone outside of the 8 I mentioned in his tier being better than him.

[Robz4000]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01.html

That a bad year? What?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/townska01.html

At least as good as Blakes numbers and actualy stays healthy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01.html

Simmons can't shoot and is still filing up the stat sheet like no one since Grant Hill.

Overrate BG if you want, I guess.

Porzingod started off strong this season but hasn't been consistent since November. Might be injury-related, but it's still a concern.

I wouldn't even put Towns above LMA right now; he's a horrible defender and an overrated passer/post player. His game reminds me a lot of LMA on offense (which isn't a gold thing) outside the fact he shoots more threes.

Simmons can fill up the stat sheet all he wants ala Westchimp, doesn't make him a winner. His inability to shoot has cost Philly in several games this season with his DeMonkey-esque shooting

[SAGirl]

958129678677454848
Sums up my reaction at this news...

[MannyIsGod]

Do you like being racist or......?

[Robz4000]

Do you like being racist or......?

Most of ST has been using those nicknames for 5+ years. I use them more for amusement than any slight towards their race.

[TheDoctor]

:lol all that nonsense with DeAndre and the Mavs
he looks like a total retard now

:lmao

[Robz4000]

:lol all that nonsense with DeAndre and the Mavs
he looks like a total retard now

The Mavs are a mess themselves. At least DeMonkey got an extra $30mil out of it and got to be in LA.

[DPG21920]

:lol Woj trying to spin this for favors with breaking news.

LAC trying to “not bottom” out while trading away Blake, Jordan, & Lou their 3 best players. So they really think Pat Bev / Bradley / Gallo / Harris / Whatever is going to compete lol?

I mean if you are going by the literal definition of what Woj said LAC wanted then they checked all the boxes. But the “wanting to not bottom out” is just lip service for some really dumb fans evidently.

[Seventyniner]

:lol Woj trying to spin this for favors with breaking news.

LAC trying to “not bottom” out while trading away Blake, Jordan, & Lou their 3 best players. So they really think Pat Bev / Bradley / Gallo / Harris / Whatever is going to compete lol?

I mean if you are going by the literal definition of what Woj said LAC wanted then they checked all the boxes. But the “wanting to not bottom out” is just lip service for some really dumb fans evidently.

"We're not trying to bottom out.......cause we know we can't out-suck the Lakers and Suns."

[DPG21920]

The market is set now for LAC. Blake is obviously better than Jordan and under contract and he netted maybe a pick that will end up 14-20. So Jordan may net a late first.

[dbreiden83080]

Wow Blake must be absolutely thrilled he gets to pack his bags and go live in fucking Detroit LOL. Awesome.

[DAF86]

The argument that what TP does well is replaceable based on current personnel as much as that stands for Mills.

Well, I think I made my argument with the post you quoted, tbh.

[dbreiden83080]

James is the best or second best player to ever set foot on an NBA court and still should basically single handedly carries his team to the Finals this year. He's also had a lot more career success than Chris Paul so, yes, he gets more benefit of the doubt.

Like I said, his stats are where they're at because he's playing under D'Antoni in a system favorable to PGs. Is he still a hell of a player? Yes. However, I wouldn't consider him a Top 10 player anymore.

As great as he is he also greatly benefited from the east being a piss pot conference for more than a decade. His actual finals record is the indication of how many times he would have actually made the finals had his entire career been in the Western Conference. Timmy in his prime in the Eastern conference is making the finals over and over as well.

[Keepin' it real]

Honestly worth it for the Clippers just to get away from that contract. He can't stay on the court so how can you build around him? You can't.

Ouch, sounds like a certain Spur we all know and love.

[DPG21920]

I also think this makes a Mills trade to DET more likely. I said that DET was fine taking on longer term salary and it turns out that was true.

Now, they need spacing and shooting. They just lost their 2 best 3PT shooters in Bradley/Harris so they need a guard and shooting. You don’t trade for Blake to not be somewhat all-in. So you would think Mills would be highly sought after there.

Maybe a 3-Team trade where DET gets Mills, SA gets Tolliver/Stanley Johnson and another team gets a 2nd rounder + another player from DET.

[DPG21920]

Well, I think I made my argument with the post you quoted, tbh.

I mean you literally made an argument I just think you can substantiate it :lol I see what you are trying to say though, but I disagree obviously

[Robz4000]

As great as he is he also greatly benefited from the east being a piss pot conference for more than a decade. His actual finals record is the indication of how many times he would have actually made the finals had his entire career been in the Western Conference. Timmy in his prime in the Eastern conference is making the finals over and over as well.

Don't disagree. Timmy is Top 5 of all time in his own right.

[sasaint]

I also think this makes a Mills trade to DET more likely. I said that DET was fine taking on longer term salary and it turns out that was true.

Now, they need spacing and shooting. They just lost their 2 best 3PT shooters in Bradley/Harris so they need a guard and shooting. You don’t trade for Blake to not be somewhat all-in. So you would think Mills would be highly sought after there.

Maybe a 3-Team trade where DET gets Mills, SA gets Tolliver/Stanley Johnson and another team gets a 2nd rounder + another player from DET.

If you believe Mills would be "highly sought after", why would we have to settle for the likes of Tolliver or Johnson?

[spurraider21]

Wow Blake must be absolutely thrilled he gets to pack his bags and go live in fucking Detroit LOL. Awesome.
:lol...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

at least we're not detroit!

[Robz4000]

I also think this makes a Mills trade to DET more likely. I said that DET was fine taking on longer term salary and it turns out that was true.

Now, they need spacing and shooting. They just lost their 2 best 3PT shooters in Bradley/Harris so they need a guard and shooting. You don’t trade for Blake to not be somewhat all-in. So you would think Mills would be highly sought after there.

Maybe a 3-Team trade where DET gets Mills, SA gets Tolliver/Stanley Johnson and another team gets a 2nd rounder + another player from DET.

True, didn't think about that. If the Spurs are willing to send Mills to DET I'd be pleasantly surprised.

[DPG21920]

If you believe Mills would be "highly sought after", why would we have to settle for the likes of Tolliver or Johnson?

Sought after in regards to if they can get him without giving up a pick and/or a player they love then yes. If it’s just for expiring money so they can go more all-in with Blake and making a playoff push then yes.

[ace3g]

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[DAF86]

I mean you literally made an argument I just think you can substantiate it :lol I see what you are trying to say though, but I disagree obviously

Who do you think fits better alongside Manu, Anderson and Gay, Mills or Parker?

[sasaint]

Sought after in regards to if they can get him without giving up a pick and/or a player they love then yes. If it’s just for expiring money so they can go more all-in with Blake and making a playoff push then yes.

I guess I don't understand your answer. My opinion is that Tolliver and Johnson are garbage. So why would San Antonio not get better compensation if Mills is prized by Detroit?

[DPG21920]

Who do you think fits better alongside Manu, Anderson and Gay, Mills or Parker?

Tony. For many reasons beyond just that specific lineup. I’d rather have TP at the 1 and Manu at the 2 (if that is the only option you are presenting me with) than Manu at the 1 and Mills at the 2.

[Robz4000]

Who do you think fits better alongside Manu, Anderson and Gay, Mills or Parker?

Regardless of fit, we know that one of them will never be traded.

[DPG21920]

I guess I don't understand your answer. My opinion is that Tolliver and Johnson are garbage. So why would San Antonio not get better compensation if Mills is prized by Detroit?

Because he’s not SO prized that SA would get a ton. SA would not want a player, they would want expiring contracts.

[dabom]

SA likes Patty contract. What makes you think otherwise?

I mean they just gave it to him and he has been playing better than the contract. :lol

[DPG21920]

SA likes Patty contract. What makes you think otherwise?

I mean they just gave it to him and he has been playing better than the contract. :lol

That is absurd. He’s not playing better than his contract. He got his contract based on his level of play and hopes he would improve.

Not only did he not improve over last year, but he’s playing worse:

Worse True Shooting Percentage from last year.

Much worse PER from last year.

Worse REB/AST% from last year.

More TO% :lol

Worse win shares (both offensively and defensively), worse OBPM, worse DBPM & worse VORP :lol

[gambit1990]

deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

murray/mills
lou/manu
kawhi/kyle
la/bertans
deandre/gasol

[Spur|n|Austin]

deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

murray/mills
lou/manu
kawhi/kyle
la/bertans
deandre/gasol

I don't hate it - could prob lose one of the draft picks or the cash considerations.

[DPG21920]

deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

murray/mills
lou/manu
kawhi/kyle
la/bertans
deandre/gasol

Sub Mills for TP

[tbdog]

I'm just glad a solid player went east for a change.

[dabom]

That is absurd. He’s not playing better than his contract. He got his contract based on his level of play and hopes he would improve.

Not only did he not improve over last year, but he’s playing worse:

Worse True Shooting Percentage from last year.

Much worse PER from last year.

Worse REB/AST% from last year.

More TO% :lol

Worse win shares (both offensively and defensively), worse OBPM, worse DBPM & worse VORP :lol

Almost like everyones fucking numbers get worse when an MVP caliber player goes down for the whole year and the rest of the team can't stay healthy. :lol

You must be a goddamn idiot. :lol

[DPG21920]

Almost like everyones fucking numbers get worse when an MVP caliber player goes down for the whole year and the rest of the team can't stay healthy. :lol

You must be a goddamn idiot. :lol

That makes no sense. You said he’s playing better. He’s not. It’s pretty simple. Regardless of Kawhi being out Mills is doing worse than last year.

How are you reasoning that he’s out playing his contract if I’m the idiot :lol?

[dabom]

That makes no sense. You said he’s playing better. He’s not. It’s pretty simple. Regardless of Kawhi being out Mills is doing worse than last year.

How are you reasoning that he’s out playing his contract if I’m the idiot :lol?

Well his numbers should be worse. Instead, he's keeping the ship afloat. You dumb fuck. :lmao

[dabom]

Patty has been a great player for the Spurs this year especially when they can use all the help they can get. Yeah let's trade him. :lol

[sasaint]

Because he’s not SO prized that SA would get a ton. SA would not want a player, they would want expiring contracts.

I think it depends to some extent on whether or not PATFO still thinks the team can get healthy and develop some chemistry and rhythm to compete in the playoffs.

[dabom]

That's why all your Patty trades are some of the stupidest shit I read here. :lol

PATFO ain't trading Patty. The more you keep at it, the more foolish ya become. :lol

[vy65]

The optics of PATFO trading the abo after giving him that god awful contract look terrible. Ain’t gonna happen.

[dabom]

Shit, I'll even bet some fucking money on it. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

murray/mills
lou/manu
kawhi/kyle
la/bertans
deandre/gasol


DeAndre and Lou for Kawhi, final offer.

[DPG21920]

Well his numbers should be worse. Instead, he's keeping the ship afloat. You dumb fuck. :lmao

That literally makes zero sense. It makes no sense statistically and makes no sense when viewed in the lense of you saying he’s out playing his contract.

Did LMA get worse? Did Pau get worse? Forbes? Manu? Murray?

[DAF86]

Regardless of fit, we know that one of them will never be traded.

That I know. In fact, I made it pretty clear on my original comment about the subject.

[DAF86]

Tony. For many reasons beyond just that specific lineup. I’d rather have TP at the 1 and Manu at the 2 (if that is the only option you are presenting me with) than Manu at the 1 and Mills at the 2.

Who would you rather have instead of Manu coming off the bench at the 2?

[DPG21920]

Who would you rather have instead of Manu coming off the bench at the 2?

That’s not what I was alluding to. I was saying that beyond just that lineup that you offered, TP is really the only change up/suitable PG to go with the starters in the event Murray gets injured/starts to really struggle/etc..

I think TP/Manu at the 1/2 is more than fine and will be fruitful.

[dabom]

That literally makes zero sense. It makes no sense statistically and makes no sense when viewed in the lense of you saying he’s out playing his contract.

Did LMA get worse? Did Pau get worse? Forbes? Manu? Murray?

It does make sense faggot. You just not smart. :lmao

[dabom]

Bet me some money Patty Mills gets traded. STFU then. :lol

[DPG21920]

It does make sense faggot. You just not smart. :lmao

You just not smart. Me caveman.

[dabom]

Bet me some money Patty Mills gets traded. STFU then. :lol

[DPG21920]

That is a really stupid bet. What we are discussing is relevant regardless of if Mills is traded. Trades are very difficult; it does not change what we are saying about Mills currently.

[DAF86]

That’s not what I was alluding to. I was saying that beyond just that lineup that you offered, TP is really the only change up/suitable PG to go with the starters in the event Murray gets injured/starts to really struggle/etc..

I think TP/Manu at the 1/2 is more than fine and will be fruitful.

Meh, if we need to re-bench Murray the season would be fucked anyways.

Either way, on that case Tony, Mills, Manu, Anderson as the PG would all do more or less the same adequate job playing point. I'm sorry to break it to you, but you overestimate way too much Tony's contribution at this stage of his career.

[dabom]

That is a really stupid bet. What we are discussing is relevant regardless of if Mills is traded. Trades are very difficult; it does not change what we are saying about Mills currently.

Didn't know this was called "Fantasy Trade Deadline 2018".

[coachmac87]

It does make sense faggot. You just not smart. :lmao

You’re a twat

[ElNono]

What concerns me the most about a potential Patty trade is the loss of culture and corporate knowledge, tbh...

I mean, stuff like this:

https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/patty-mills-spuran-spuran-video.jpg

you just can't replace it...

[MaNu4Tres]

What concerns me the most about a potential Patty trade is the loss of culture and corporate knowledge, tbh...

I mean, stuff like this:

https://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/patty-mills-spuran-spuran-video.jpg

you just can't replace it...

:lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:wow DET locking the best part of $300 mil to Griffin and Drummond is insane. They're definitely not done trading.

This is a great deal for the buyer teams though, it sets prices low from very early on and sets the dominos in motion. Unlike the previous couple of years this may shape up to be a busy and interesting trade deadline.

[r0drig0lac]

958123913325764614

Jokic?

[r0drig0lac]

If you believe Mills would be "highly sought after", why would we have to settle for the likes of Tolliver or Johnson?

yes, it's as if no one was watching SA games this season, NOBODY wants Mills, even Aldridge who is supposed to be our best active player does not have the value that his stats indicate, because everyone knows about the drama of last season, he is a fake all star, Spurs has no chance to win in any trade

[Seventyniner]

Jokic?

BOBAN

[sasaint]

yes, it's as if no one was watching SA games this season, NOBODY wants Mills, even Aldridge who is supposed to be our best active player does not have the value that his stats indicate, because everyone knows about the drama of last season, he is a fake all star, Spurs has no chance to win in any trade

I don't know how you can say that unless/until a trade is actually proposed or made. That's really just ST speculation at this point. And knowing PATFO, that's how it will remain.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't know how you can say that unless/until a trade is actually proposed or made. That's really just ST speculation at this point. And knowing PATFO, that's ho it will remain.

The same posters who claim every Spurs player is shit and no one wants them are the first to criticize when someone gets traded somewhere or when the FO stays pat. It's the ST way.

[BillMc]

The same posters who claim every Spurs player is shit and no one wants them are the first to criticize when someone gets traded somewhere or when the FO stays pat. It's the ST way.

Truth.

There will be peace in the middle-east before there is peace on SpursTalk.

[MaNu4Tres]

John Wall out for 6 weeks.

Patty, Kyle, Brandon Paul, rights to Milutinov for Morris, Frazier, Meeks?

[SAGirl]

John Wall out for 6 weeks.

Patty, Kyle, Brandon Paul, rights to Milutinov for Morris, Frazier, Meeks?
No on Kyle obviously.

[weeks]

The Mavs are a mess themselves. At least DeMonkey got an extra $30mil out of it and got to be in LA.
good point. i just think it's funny everyone who begged him to stay is gone

[BillMc]

You know the Blake trade should reduce the doubt about giving Kawhi the Supermax extension. Blake shows, no matter how big the contract, you can always find a home for another player even if he is injury prone. The Spurs should give KL his money this summer, and if it doesn't work (a worst case scenario), I'm sure they can find a taker. Better than risk him being an angry FA the following year and losing him for nothing.

[TheDoctor]

You know the Blake trade should reduce the doubt about giving Kawhi the Supermax extension. Blake shows, no matter how big the contract, you can always find a home for another player even if he is injury prone. The Spurs should give KL his money this summer, and if it doesn't work (a worst case scenario), I'm sure they can find a taker. Better than risk him being an angry FA the following year and losing him for nothing.
Hopefully Kawhi is PATFO’s 2nd case of 12:01iosis.

[rjv]

I don't know how you can say that unless/until a trade is actually proposed or made. That's really just ST speculation at this point. And knowing PATFO, that's how it will remain.

speculation? on ST? no way!!!!

[Brazil]

No on Kyle obviously.

:lol my girl..

[BillMc]

Hopefully Kawhi is PATFO’s 2nd case of 12:01iosis.

Seconded. :toast

[r0drig0lac]

Miro for Asik+1st pick

[NASpurs]

958400967761940487

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

^Good deal for the Pels.

[BillMc]

speculation? on ST? no way!!!!

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/41739005/way.jpg

[gambit1990]

totally forgot about asik.

[timtonymanu]

Asik is still in the league?

[MaNu4Tres]

No on Kyle obviously.

Bertans then?

Patty, Bertans, Milutinov for Morris and Frazier?

[MaNu4Tres]

Pelicans trading away their 1st for a player that may only be there another 3 months. So they can maybe make playoffs and win ONE game in the 1st round?...

Dell Demps is a genius.

[spurraider21]

asik-mirotic deal feel through... moving along. mirotic traveling with bulls for their road trip

[MaNu4Tres]

asik-mirotic deal feel through... moving along. mirotic traveling with bulls for their road trip

False alarm.

[cd98]

asik-mirotic deal feel through... moving along. mirotic traveling with bulls for their road trip

What a garbage way to treat the team's punching bag...literally.

[sasaint]

False alarm.

Demps read your post and pulled the plug.

[SAGirl]

:lol my girl..
I had to on principle.. :lol

[sasaint]

I had to on principle.. :lol

Everybody on ST would have been disappointed if you had refrained.

[SAGirl]

Bertans then?

Patty, Bertans, Milutinov for Morris and Frazier?
It’s a Patty dump trade?

[Leetonidas]

I just realized only player LA has under contract in 2019 is Gallinari.....wonder if they're setting up to lure kawhi :wow