NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[ace3g]

So w/ the NBA Trade Deadline fast approaching, do Spurs make a move? Maybe add some SG/SF depth with the injuries to Kawhi, Green, and Gay - maybe attempt to offload one of their many 6-4 and under PG/SG combos in the process?

NBA deadline is 27 days away.

[Robz4000]

If the Spurs wanna pretend to contend they need a legitimate third big if they plan to keep starting Gasol.

[TrainOfThought5]

All we need is health

[davi78239]

I think they do nothing per sports grind. Will weather the GS storm and then see what they got in a year or two. I think they'll try to make moves but no one wants to help the spurs out. Unless they wanna move Aldridge now I don't see anything happening.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs could use some SG/SF depth off the bench and Atlanta is rumored to be seeking a 2nd rounder for Belinelli tbh...

[BatManu20]

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[illusioNtEk]

Patty + Gasol + a pick or 2 for Deandre Jordan

[daslicer]

951225735905071104

Not a fan of the Cavs-Warriors rivalry. I dislike both squad but there is no trade short of acquiring a talent like Anthony Davis or Demarcus Cousins that would allow the Cavs to compete with the Warriors. Warriors will sweep the Cavs if they meet up again.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs are unlikely to make significant moves due to the types of contracts they have, but for the sake of discussion it should be stickied somewhere that Aldridge cannot be traded.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Patty + Gasol + a pick or 2 for Deandre Jordan

Why would the Clippers take on $60mil of guaranteed money? Because of a late first round pick?

[TheGreatYacht]

Fatty Mills for a 99cent bag of hot cheetos

[jermaine]

I seriously don't understand the Patty Mills hate... He's been nuttin but a 1st class teammate since he's been here. His towel waving on the bench, if someone falls he's the 1st to help pick them up, never complains, and tries his ass off. An all you disloyal, bitchmade, pussy, fair weather muthafuckas talk about is trading him or getting rid of him cuz the FO gave him 50mil at 12:01am on the 1st day of signing. What was he pose to do, not take it!?!

[TheGreatYacht]

I seriously don't understand the Patty Mills hate... He's been nuttin but a 1st class teammate since he's been here. His towel waving on the bench, if someone falls he's the 1st to help pick them up, never complains, and tries his ass off. An all you disloyal, bitchmade, pussy, fair weather muthafuckas talk about is trading him or getting rid of him cuz the FO gave him 50mil at 12:01am on the 1st day of signing. What was he pose to do, not take it!?!
Stfu faggot

[John B]

DeAndre is intriguing but will Spurs gut out to get him? He is a good teammate, his FT has been improving. I think he is a good prospect

[cd021]

Willie Hernangomez for Bryn Forbes?

[Chinook]

Willie Hernangomez for Bryn Forbes?

Would do it if Paul were better. Bryn has been too important to trade. Plus I doubt the Knicks would accept.

[ducks]

Mills did not work out after contract
Look at his body before

[tbdog]

If the Spurs wanna pretend to contend they need a legitimate third big if they plan to keep starting Gasol.

wait for a brook lopez buyout?

[TheDoctor]

DeAndre is intriguing but will Spurs gut out to get him? He is a good teammate, his FT has been improving. I think he is a good prospect
Maybe when he’s 36 w/ no more hops.

[Dverde]

I could see the Spurs moving Danny Green if they can get something they consider of equal return/need. I think it depends if they are going to try to re-sign him. No way they dump Patty, Pau, Parker.

[YGWHI]

When was the last time the Spurs did a significant move in Jan/Feb before the tradeline?

IDK...I guess they like to work in offseason

[hater]

Patty Melt and a side of fries for Raymond Felton

[cd98]

So w/ the NBA Trade Deadline fast approaching, do Spurs make a move? Maybe add some SG/SF depth with the injuries to Kawhi, Green, and Gay - maybe attempt to offload one of their many 6-4 and under PG/SG combos in the process?

NBA deadline is 27 days away.



Due to injuries, this team has not jelled, making it easier to trade and incorporate a new person in the rotation without losing the nonexistent chemistry. That said, Spurs prefer shopping the bargain bin during buyout season, so I highly doubt any trades will happen. I doubt they can get a 2/3 in a trade as it is the scarcest commodity and therefore the highest asking price. If there is a trade, I would suppose it’s a big man to bolster are aging center, who has been great this year, but at his age, and given how bad his back up is, a position that could be improved.

[LittleCriminal]

Anderson for Larry Nance Jr..

Problem solved.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills & rights to Milutinov or a pick in 2019 (if needed) to Charlotte for Jeremy Lamb, MCW ( just waive him).

Hornets get their much needed back up PG (they don't have one -- MCW doesn't count since he's not a NBA player) and insurance in case Kemba walks after next season.

Spurs get one of most underrated wings in the NBA who has another year on his deal after this year. Gives Spurs competent wing insurance since Manu may retire and Danny's Free Agency this summer. Also gives Spurs incredible lineup flexibility this year against the teams that matter.

[benefactor]

They won't do anything tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

This is the team with the worst guards in the league, and it's not close. If Drunkford can sober up for a couple of hours and find a way to trade for either Tyreke, Dinwiddie, Clarkson, or Lamb (who I hadn't paid attention to until MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) made me do some research on him) that would be perfect.

Not a fan of trading for another big tbh. I'd rather go small ball any day of the week, preferably with Gay getting minutes at the 4. Gasol playing with the second unit when Aldridge sits is fine with me (except against the Warriors where he shouldn't see ANY minutes)

[SAGirl]

Mills & rights to Milutinov or a pick in 2019 (if needed) to Charlotte for Jeremy Lamb, MCW ( just waive him).

Hornets get their much needed back up PG (they don't have one -- MCW doesn't count since he's not a NBA player) and insurance in case Kemba walks after next season.

Spurs get one of most underrated wings in the NBA who has another year on his deal after this year. Gives Spurs competent wing insurance since Manu may retire and Danny's Free Agency this summer. Also gives Spurs incredible lineup flexibility this year against the teams that matter.
Sounds good. Somehow I don't think Charlotte will take it but as an idea, sounds good.

[sasaint]

Due to injuries, this team has not jelled, making it easier to trade and incorporate a new person in the rotation without losing the nonexistent chemistry. That said, Spurs prefer shopping the bargain bin during buyout season, so I highly doubt any trades will happen. I doubt they can get a 2/3 in a trade as it is the scarcest commodity and therefore the highest asking price. If there is a trade, I would suppose it’s a big man to bolster are aging center, who has been great this year, but at his age, and given how bad his back up is, a position that could be improved.

The lack of chemistry could just as well mitigate against any trades. The reasoning: With all of the turmoil this season, we don't even know what we have. Why make a move before we have had a chance to see what the roster is like when everybody is healthy/available?

[SAGirl]

They need a big and maybe they are looking but since no one is going to take Lauvergne off their hands. /shrugs

[SAGirl]

The lack of chemistry could just as well mitigate against any trades. The reasoning: With all of the turmoil this season, we don't even know what we have. Why make a move before we have had a chance to see what the roster is like when everybody is healthy/available?
I thought so too. The obvious hole they have is Joff underperforming.

Other than that they are playing guys upwards of 30 minutes who should probably play no more than 20 with a healthy roster and with a fully healthy team, other than that big spot they are basically set. They need a better PG but are unlikely to acquire it midseason IMO.

[MaNu4Tres]

They need a big and maybe they are looking but since no one is going to take Lauvergne off their hands. /shrugs

They don't really need one. They'll win 50+ games as is.. have the 3rd or 4th seed. The two playoff series that matter will both play smaller in front court and Spurs will be fine w/ LA and Gasol eating all the minutes at the 5 w/ small stints playing together. The 3rd big wouldn't really get time anyway when it matters.

Spurs wouldn't be wise giving up an asset for an insurance big that won't play relevant minutes when it matters most. Not smart giving up the asset for a big that would be nothing more than a regular season filler. If they needed one so bad, just find a taker for Paul and sign a FA big that's on the market ( Jordan Hill).

[SAGirl]

They don't really need one. They'll win 50+ games as is.. have the 3rd or 4th seed. The two playoff series that matter will both play smaller in front court and Spurs will be fine w/ LA and Gasol eating all the minutes at the 5 w/ small stints playing together. The 3rd big wouldn't really get time anyway when it matters.
They need it for the RS, IMO.
I can't think of anybody but that's bc I don't know what's going on with the rest of the league in terms what's available. But they sure could use an energy big in the mold of Jordan Bell for example. I don't know if such a player is available or if the Spurs can trade for him.

[sasaint]

I thought so too. The obvious hole they have is Joff underperforming.

Other than that they are playing guys upwards of 30 minutes who should probably play no more than 20 with a healthy roster and with a fully healthy team, other than that big spot they are basically set. They need a better PG but are unlikely to acquire it midseason IMO.

Completely agree. Joff is the only player I see that might potentially lose his roster spot, although BP3 is edging in that direction.

[TheGreatYacht]

A big is dead last in the needs of this team. They have to go small against the only teams that matter anyways....

[baseline bum]

All we need is health

And a point guard and a center

[MaNu4Tres]

Completely agree. Joff is the only player I see that might potentially lose his roster spot, although BP3 is edging in that direction.

Joff isn't even part of the rotation anymore. Pop is staggering Pau and LA just fine after they play together to start each half.

[baseline bum]

I seriously don't understand the Patty Mills hate... He's been nuttin but a 1st class teammate since he's been here. His towel waving on the bench, if someone falls he's the 1st to help pick them up, never complains, and tries his ass off. An all you disloyal, bitchmade, pussy, fair weather muthafuckas talk about is trading him or getting rid of him cuz the FO gave him 50mil at 12:01am on the 1st day of signing. What was he pose to do, not take it!?!

He was trying his ass of in 2013-14 when he was in incredible shape. Not so much now, I can't believe RC handed him $50 million when he was a fatass.

[Chillen]

They probably won't make a trade, wouldn't want to mess with the system they have going under Pop (sarcasm).

[gambit1990]

And a point guard and a center
:lol

[gambit1990]

https://image.ibb.co/cj3Aj6/rsz_screen_shot_2018_01_11_at_122725_am.png

the numbers work with murray or bertans.

[TheGreatYacht]

Start Fatty krew ^ :lmao

[Keepin' it real]

Why would the Clippers take on $60mil of guaranteed money?

Because Spurstalk doesn't like Patty and Pau.

[TD 21]

Unless the injuries to Leonard, Green and Gay are worse than they're letting on, Spurs don't need wing depth. They need a legit third center option and in the unlikely event they make a move, I expect that to be it.



Willie Hernangomez for Bryn Forbes?

Knicks wouldn't do that. They'll likely trade or bench O'Quinn post deadline to clear a rotation spot. They also have shooters on the wings, in Lee, McDermott and to a lesser extent Hardaway and Dotson.



Mills & rights to Milutinov or a pick in 2019 (if needed) to Charlotte for Jeremy Lamb, MCW ( just waive him).

Hornets get their much needed back up PG (they don't have one -- MCW doesn't count since he's not a NBA player) and insurance in case Kemba walks after next season.


Spurs get one of most underrated wings in the NBA who has another year on his deal after this year. Gives Spurs competent wing insurance since Manu may retire and Danny's Free Agency this summer. Also gives Spurs incredible lineup flexibility this year against the teams that matter.

I know they have looming financial issues, but if Lamb maintains his current level, he's at the very least a good contract, if not a bargain. He's also been their best wing and with Batum falling off a cliff and Monk coming along slowly, they lack quality wing depth.

Mills also makes no sense unless Walker is traded because they'd be too small defensively to play much together, he makes too much and is traditionally too good to be a 12-15 mpg player.

[BatManu20]

As nice as it would be to have another good Defending Big, DeAndre Jordan would stall the offense horribly on this team. And his contract sucks too. Hard pass.

[8FOR!3]

I think the team should consider making some kind of move. Even if it's just bringing Belinelli back for a 2nd round pick, I think we could really use his shooting.

[objective]

Mills + a first and rights to some second rounders for Belineli.

Basically I dream of the day when all it will take is a first rounder to get off of Mills' terrible deal and get an expiring in exchange.

But that's not happening. All they had to do was let him walk.

[LittleCriminal]

Anderson for Larry Nance Jr.
Throw in a free number 2 plain and dry, 2 slices of cheese whatasized with fries and a large order of onion rings, coke with no ice from whataburger.
man it's been almost 2 years since I've had one of those..must be hungry.

[8FOR!3]

Anderson for Larry Nance Jr.
Throw in a free number 2 plain and dry, 2 slices of cheese whatasized with fries and a large order of onion rings, coke with no ice from whataburger.
man it's been almost 2 years since I've had one of those..must be hungry.

Could you imagine Longo and Fathead on the floor together :lol

[LittleCriminal]

Could you imagine Longo and Fathead on the floor together :lol

They'd .just keep passing it to each other since they both have no offensive skills..

[ace3g]

If we trade for a big, it has to be a mobile PF that can guard SF. Like others have said, we need as many diverse players for potential matchup vs Warriors

[JFK]

He was trying his ass of in 2013-14 when he was in incredible shape. Not so much now, I can't believe RC handed him $50 million when he was a fatass.

Patty Mills = Jaren Jackson 2.0

[tholdren]

https://image.ibb.co/cj3Aj6/rsz_screen_shot_2018_01_11_at_122725_am.png

the numbers work with murray or bertans.

You dont trade forbes or bertans

[tholdren]

And a point guard and a center

Center? Lol. Spurs need a pg.

[LittleCriminal]

If we trade for a big, it has to be a mobile PF that can guard SF. Like others have said, we need as many diverse players for potential matchup vs Warriors

any examples of such players you speak of?
just pondering.

[ace3g]

The issue with players such as Mills and Forbes is that they are only effective if their shot is falling, they can't do anything else defensively/rebound/assist to affect the game. Brandon Paul has had more an affect defensively than offensively. For those most part these players are only useful against PG/SG and not SG/SF.

[ace3g]

any examples of such players you speak of?
just pondering.

Not at the top of my head but some have mentioned we need a big. There are 2 types of bigs: slow (can only guard PF/C) or mobile (guard SF/PF); Spurs need the latter.

[ace3g]

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[Chinook]

I'd love Beli back as a buyout candidate. But I just don't think a wing is what the team needs.

[CGD]

Feels like a tepid market this year. I know we’re a ways out but this time last year felt like it had more buzz.

[tonight...you]

They'd .just keep passing it to each other since they both have no offensive skills..
Ha ha ha! That would be hilarious to watch!

"Here you go!"
"No no, you got this!"
"No no, I insist! You got this!"
"I think you got the shot!"
"I just fucking set you up!"
"And I set you up better!"
"HERE! RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE RIM!!!"
"WHILE JUST SET YOU UP WITH AN OPEN FUCKING 3!!!"
"FAGGOT!!!"
"YOU'RE A FAGGOT!!!"

lol

[BackHome]

You dont trade forbes or bertans
Forbes sucks he won’t be in the league that long as a 15 man OK but we can and should do better

[Diego20]

Patty Melt and a side of fries for Raymond Felton


:rollin:rollin

[TD 21]

The issue with players such as Mills and Forbes is that they are only effective if their shot is falling, they can't do anything else defensively/rebound/assist to affect the game. Brandon Paul has had more an affect defensively than offensively. For those most part these players are only useful against PG/SG and not SG/SF.

Both, but particularly Mills because of reputation, still space the floor.

Between them and Bertans, Belinelli would be redundant and therefore makes no sense to acquire in any form. Would rather retain Paul, a youngish, inexpensive, plus defender and likely better 3-point shooter than his current % indicates.

[cd021]

Would do it if Paul were better. Bryn has been too important to trade. Plus I doubt the Knicks would accept.


[LEFT]Unless the injuries to Leonard, Green and Gay are worse than they're letting on, Spurs don't need wing depth. They need a legit third center option and in the unlikely event they make a move, I expect that to be it.

Knicks wouldn't do that. They'll likely trade or bench O'Quinn post deadline to clear a rotation spot. They also have shooters on the wings, in Lee, McDermott and to a lesser extent Hardaway and Dotson.


I figured as much but it would be the type of deal that I would expect the Spurs to do. Hernangomez would be a good addition, both for now and the future while Forbes presumably doesn't have a future with the team.

[LittleCriminal]

Spurs should try and trade for Bam Adebayo out of miami..
Anderson plus joffery or Anderson plus free whataburger should do it.

[ace3g]

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[Emperor]

You had me at Patty Mills.

[jermaine]

I'd take Serge over Joff.

[MaNu4Tres]

The issue with players such as Mills and Forbes is that they are only effective if their shot is falling, they can't do anything else defensively/rebound/assist to affect the game. Brandon Paul has had more an affect defensively than offensively. For those most part these players are only useful against PG/SG and not SG/SF.

Forbes has actually defended PGs well this year (he's a better defender than Patty).

The problem is Pop plays him at the 2, where he's defending bigger wings. He's not as effective playing out of position on defense guarding wings who are bigger than him. In this situation, Forbes gets bullied off his paths away from the ball on both ends of the floor. And in ISOs or 1 on 1 situations, he doesn't have the length to be as effective when contesting -- especially when he's guarding wings who are bigger than him. Pop just knows he has to give Patty minutes, so playing Forbes out of position on defense is the only way to get Forbes minutes, which I think is doing a disservice to Forbes.

Patty needs to be gone. He's hurting more than helping this team in many ways and this is only one of them.

[Ice009]

Forbes has actually defended PGs well this year (he's a better defender than Patty). The problem is Pop plays him at the 2, where he's defending bigger wings. He's not as effective playing out of position on defense guarding wings who are bigger than him more often than not. In this situation, Forbes gets bullied off his paths away from the ball on both ends of the floor. And in ISOs or 1 on 1 situations, he doesn't have the length to be as effective when contesting -- especially when he's guarding wings who are bigger than him. Pop just knows he has to give Patty minutes, so playing Forbes out of position is the only way to get Forbes minutes, which I think is doing a disservice to Forbes.

Patty needs to be gone. He's hurting more than helping this team in many ways and this is only one of them.

Pretty good take. I thought Forbe's defense wasn't great, but now that I think about it, he's done alright when guarding players closer to his size. You're right, when he's getting torched, it's usually when he's guarding guys that are bigger than him that he shouldn't be guarding in the first place. He's definitely a better defender than Patty IMO. Fucking ridiculous decision from the front office to give Mills that much money. As I said before free agency started, don't bring him back at all, but if they really wanted him back for whatever reason - DO NOT OVERPAY, let him walk if it comes to that. Spurs did the opposite.

[tholdren]

Forbes sucks he won’t be in the league that long as a 15 man OK but we can and should do better
I dont think he sucks. Hes a low usage player who doesnt turn the ball over and shoots 40 percent from 3. Hes a better outside and inside shooter than mills and bertans. You trade forbes youre down to .5 catch and shoot players that make their shots.

[SAGirl]

The Magic are shopping Hezonja, Payton and Fournier.
Realgm says there are many players available for trade but team's don't want to take salary back in.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248608/Teams-Reluctant-To-Take-On-Salary-In-Trade-Market

Considering the current Spurs don't have a lot of space to take salary back in anyways plus they have young players that will seek to get paid this summer, plus a supermax Kiwi to take care of, I expect standing pat. The best move they can make is for everyone to get healthy as well as continuing to develop chemistry.

[BillMc]

Considering the current Spurs don't have a lot of space to take salary back in anyways plus they have young players that will seek to get paid this summer, plus a supermax Kiwi to take care of, I expect standing pat. The best move they can make is for everyone to get healthy as well as continuing to develop chemistry.

This. A healthy Tony will go a long way to alleviating the pg woes. And Pau, despite starting, is really the backup center as Pop alternates him with LMA after the start of the halves. No one we could bring in via trade or buyout or waiver would make a 1/10 the difference as health. This team is who it is. Now just get healthy.

[Leetonidas]

I'd take Serge over Joff.
For 65+ million over the next 3 years? No thanks

[Drew2354]

For 65+ million over the next 3 years? No thanks

Im also pretty sure Lamarcus and Serge have some bad blood against each other.

[jermaine]

For 65+ million over the next 3 years? No thanks

I don't know money or cap situations. Soooooo my bad

[Leetonidas]

Well you're in a thread discussing trades so maybe you should tbh...

[Floyd Pacquiao]

You wish the Spurs could trade patty but they can't, cause nobody else wants him.

[NASpurs]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754244-magic-trade-rumors-evan-fournier-elfrid-payton-mario-hezonja-to-be-shopped?share=other


The Orlando Magic (http://bleacherreport.com/orlando-magic) are prime candidates to be sellers before the NBA (http://bleacherreport.com/nba)'s trade deadline, and Evan Fournier (http://bleacherreport.com/evan-fournier), Elfrid Payton and Mario Hezonja could all be put on the trade block.

According to Marc Stein (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/sports/basketball/nba-power-rankings.html?_r=0) of the New York Times, "Rival executives expect Jeff Weltman, Orlando’s new team president, to aggressively hunt for new homes for the likes of Fournier, Payton and Hezonja, given that Nikola Vucevic’s broken finger is likely to preclude dealing the center."

[TimDunkem]

The Spurs don't have any tradeable assets, unfortunately. Either because they're awful (Danny, Kyle), their contract sucks (Gasol), the Spurs won't move them (Parker), or all of the above (Mills).

[Chinook]

The Spurs don't have any tradeable assets, unfortunately. Either because they're awful (Danny, Kyle), their contract sucks (Gasol), the Spurs won't move them (Parker), or all of the above (Mills).

Green and Anderson have plenty of value as expirings who are serviceable (at worst) rotation players. If the Spurs were sellers, I could see your point as neither is likely to net a first in a trade. But they damned sure can use those guys as a package with picks and "buy" almost anyone who's realistically on the market.

[TimDunkem]

Green and Anderson have plenty of value as expirings who are serviceable (at worst) rotation players. If the Spurs were sellers, I could see your point as neither is likely to net a first in a trade. But they damned sure can use those guys as a package with picks and "buy" almost anyone who's realistically on the market.

I disagree, but I would love to be wrong. We'll never know though as the Spurs almost never make moves at the deadline.

[Chinook]

I disagree, but I would love to be wrong. We'll never know though as the Spurs almost never make moves at the deadline.

I think there are two big hurdles for the team making a significant trade. The first is that PATFO wouldn't trade either of those guys, and especially not both and picks (which is what it would take to get an upgrade). The second is that the team won't take on long-term salary with Kawhi's extension looming, especially not something around Green's salary.

I was kicking around the idea of a Green and Kyle for Fournier trade (before seeing that Evan actually sucks and just happens to go off every time against SA), and his contract is really expensive.

[ace3g]

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[DPG21920]

Mills & Danny for Hill/Willy C Stein?

[Robz4000]

Mills & Danny for Hill/Willy C Stein?

Spurs would have to throw in more than that to get WCS.

[DPG21920]

Spurs would have to throw in more than that to get WCS.

I'm not so sure. Kings were reportedly open to moving WCS several times. Not sure if that has changed but maybe

[LittleCriminal]

Anderson for Larry Nance jr or
Anderson for E.Payton or
Anderson for Hollis Jefferson or
Anderson for a bag of dog shit sounds like an even trade too..

[TimDunkem]

Spurs like what they have...

[spurraider21]

I'm not so sure. Kings were reportedly open to moving WCS several times. Not sure if that has changed but maybe
the lakers were willing to move bynum, didnt mean they didnt want a haul

[gambit1990]

spurs haven't had chemistry all season. there's still time but i've thought this roster was... limited since the offseason.

[cd98]

If Pop won’t play Kawhi two games in a row, how the hell are we supposed to beat teams in a 7 game series?

[gambit1990]

deandre + lou williams for tony + patty works straight up. but i'm sure the clippers want more and the spurs wouldn't move tony.

[MaNu4Tres]

Addition by subtraction.

The same way RJ was in 12', when trading him opened up room for Kawhi to gain confidence & get in a groove.

That should happen with Mills & Forbes/Murray...but it wont..

[cd98]

deandre + lou williams for tony + patty works straight up. but i'm sure the clippers want more and the spurs wouldn't move tony.

How are we going to fool the Clippers into trading for Patty. Unfortunately our games are all televised.

[DPG21920]

the lakers were willing to move bynum, didnt mean they didnt want a haul

Well sure, but I’m not basing it on the willing to move part. I’m basing it on what was reported they were willing to move him for and it did not come off as requesting a “haul”. Could that have changed? Sure, but I’m just saying that getting rid of Hills bigger annual salary for Mills (good locker room guy) and Danny’s expiring might be enough to part with WCS.

But of course they may want a pick as well. Who knows.

[SAGirl]

Mills & Danny for Hill/Willy C Stein?
I would hate to lose Danny... Bryn is nice and all, but I have seen enough of him as a wing to last me a lifetime... it isn't even his fault... Danny cannot be the price of dumping Mills.

[DPG21920]

I would hate to lose Danny... Bryn is nice and all, but I have seen enough of him as a wing to last me a lifetime... it isn't even his fault... Danny cannot be the price of dumping Mills.

Hill/Forbes replaces Mills and Murray/Forbes/White replaces Danny. Then SA adds an actual young big with more than a pulse to the team.

[SAGirl]

Hill/Forbes replaces Mills and Murray/Forbes/White replaces Danny. Then SA adds an actual young big with more than a pulse to the team.
maybe White can do the best hustle impersonation for Danny... but as it is Pop hasn't played him enough. I think he has the most hustle of the 3... Murray is just a completely different player offensively than Danny is, wouldn't fit in the same way.

I just really can't take Forbes as a wing tbqh with you... and I like WCS a lot. As I said, not even his fault.

Perhaps I will whine for Danny but get over it in time... would prefer Mills and Tony both were dumped personally. I know you are a Tony fan.

[DPG21920]

maybe White can do the best hustle impersonation for Danny... but as it is Pop hasn't played him enough. I think he has the most hustle of the 3... Murray is just a completely different player offensively than Danny is, wouldn't fit in the same way.

I just really can't take Forbes as a wing tbqh with you... and I like WCS a lot. As I said, not even his fault.

Perhaps I will whine for Danny but get over it in time... would prefer Mills and Tony both were dumped personally. I know you are a Tony fan.

I would prefer tp being moved as well but I am just realistic and know that won’t happen.

[ace3g]

James Ham james_HamNBCS
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Joerger confirms that the Kings are going young. 2-3 vets sitting from here on out. More on that coming momentarily.

[SAGirl]

James Ham (https://twitter.com/James_HamNBCS)jam (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=427)es_HamNBCS
7m (https://twitter.com/James_HamNBCS/status/953109167581020160)
Joerger confirms that the Kings are going young. 2-3 vets sitting from here on out. More on that coming momentarily.



:wow

Problem is taking in all that salary for say G.Hill...
you know what? if Tony isn't traded right now it's simply bc the Spurs don't want to and wont'... that has always been the case, but tehre were times that him being injured, old and in an expensive contract... in reality Spurs would have needed to attach picks or promising prospects to dump him.

Right now, he's an expiring contract in a market that is going to get very tight next summer... Spurs could get someone for Tony's expiring contract....

They won't.
They won't trade Mills either.

Case over.

[ace3g]

Jason Jones (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones) (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones) @mr_jasonjones (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones)




Joerger said all of his vets are rotation players on a playoff team and it’s not an easy conversation to have, telling them they won’t play. Said he’ll map out schedule to give vets notice on weekly basis as to when they won’t play

[YGWHI]

If Pop won’t play Kawhi two games in a row, how the hell are we supposed to beat teams in a 7 game series?

Win game 1. Lose game 2. Win game 3. Lose game 4. Win game 5. Lose game 6...Win game 7.

Pop's just a misunderstood genius.

:oops

[YGWHI]

Jason Jones (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones) @mr_jasonjones (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones)




Joerger said all of his vets are rotation players on a playoff team and it’s not an easy conversation to have, telling them they won’t play. Said he’ll map out schedule to give vets notice on weekly basis as to when they won’t play


...

[BatManu20]

Sounds like the Cavs really want Deandre Jordan. Don't see it happening though. Clips want more than just Tristan Thompson and the Cavs aren't giving up that Nets pick for DJ, who will be a FA next summer. Point is moot though I guess, since they still wouldn't be good enough to beat the Dubs in a 7-game series anyways.

[pad300]

Mills & Danny for Hill/Willy C Stein?


I would hate to lose Danny... Bryn is nice and all, but I have seen enough of him as a wing to last me a lifetime... it isn't even his fault... Danny cannot be the price of dumping Mills.

I'm not sure you would see Bryn as a wing. Hill played a fair bit of 2 guard for us before he was traded. He's undersized for the 2 but has really long arms. He's also shooting 45% from 3 this season.

Gasol - WCS
LMA - Gay - Davis
Kawhi - Kyle
Hill - Manu - White
Parker - Dejounte - Bryn

I'd try to include Joff in the deal, just to move him.

Would be something I would be willing to try. I'd want a pick back though, for that $20 Million contract of Hill's.

[BatManu20]

Saw a rumor of the Cavs sending BKN's pick, Thompson, and Shumpert to the Grizzlies for Gasol and Tyreke Evans. Not realistic though imo.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills, TP & Paul for Hill & Koufas.

Only if Spurs had Ainge in charge.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills & Danny for Nicolaus Batum & a 1st rounder(s) ( price for taking on Batums deal).

Mills & 2019 1st, rights to Milutinov to Charlotte for Lamb, MCW ( waived).

[daslicer]

Win game 1. Lose game 2. Win game 3. Lose game 4. Win game 5. Lose game 6...Win game 7.

Pop's just a misunderstood genius.

:oops

:lol I actually pictured Pop doing that today during the playoffs. Could you imagine in a scenario that the Spurs are down 3-2 but Kawhi played in game 5 and Pop decides not to play him game 6. Pop "We are resting Kawhi and need him healthy and ready to go for a possible game 7. We'll have to win game 6 with the personnel that we have. If Pop did that I would laugh.

[Spurs da champs]

James Ham james_HamNBCS
(https://twitter.com/James_HamNBCS) 7m (https://twitter.com/James_HamNBCS/status/953109167581020160)
Joerger confirms that the Kings are going young. 2-3 vets sitting from here on out. More on that coming momentarily.



Yeah, I just dont understand what Hill & Zbo were thinking going there, why the hell did Vlade sign them to begin with? lol

[ace3g]

How Cavs, Spurs handled trade demands by stars is world's aparthttp://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22110844/how-cleveland-cavaliers-san-antonio-spurs-handled-trade-demands-world-apart

[cd98]

How Cavs, Spurs handled trade demands by stars is world's apart

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22110844/how-cleveland-cavaliers-san-antonio-spurs-handled-trade-demands-world-apart

Yes, but Kyrie has huge trade value. LMA had squat.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills, Milutinov to WASH for Morris, Frazier.

Opens up more time for PF Mike Scott, who has outplayed Morris and gives WASH needed back up PG.

[ace3g]

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[Chinook]

Mills & Danny for Hill/Willy C Stein?

Ew.

[Chinook]

Yes, but Kyrie has huge trade value. LMA had squat.

We don't know that. We know that Phoenix didn't want him at the price of Josh Jackson. They rejected Kyrie for Jackson too. Irving likely had higher value, but the Spurs likely didn't trade LMA because they couldn't get what they wanted for him, the same way they didn't trade Hill in 2010 because they didn't get what they wanted for him. I'm not sure Cleveland really got what they wanted for Irving either. Definitely hasn't looked worth it so far.

[gambit1990]

You dont trade forbes or bertans
i do actually.

[gambit1990]

i've said it for years tp has gotta go. spurs FO has gotta get over him :rolleyes

don't want hill though. i'd take lou williams instead.

[spurraider21]

i've said it for years tp has gotta go. spurs FO has gotta get over him :rolleyes

don't want hill though. i'd take lou williams instead.
TP is an expiring contract. we've already endured the albatross years. right now that title goes to mills

[gambit1990]

TP is an expiring contract. we've already endured the albatross years. right now that title goes to mills
both players could be moved imo. spurs are just being spurs about making moves. even the worst contracts have gotten moved... arenas, joe johnson.

[spurraider21]

both players could be moved imo. spurs are just being spurs about making moves. even the worst contracts have gotten moved... arenas, joe johnson.
you're right... expiring contracts are solid assets and tony is a fat one. but spurs brass wont ship TP because of loyalty and whatnot. maybe they can get him to agree to move to another team with a frenchie :lol

[davi78239]

Don't worry. The FO will extend Parker

[Spur|n|Austin]

Don't worry. The FO will extend Parker

Most likely yes, let's just hope Parker can swallow some of the huge pride and take significantly less to help the team.

[gambit1990]

if the cavs can't improve as the trade deadline gets closer, i wonder if they'd consider moving lebron. if they become convinced he's gonna bolt they'd get some haul over nothing. not that the spurs have that kind of assets (spurs wouldn't trade kawhi).

if the cavs roster stands pat and they lose again in the finals... lebron to the spurs isn't the craziest idea i've heard. especially in this warrior dominated climate. i wonder if it would be between us and houston.

[tholdren]

both players could be moved imo. spurs are just being spurs about making moves. even the worst contracts have gotten moved... arenas, joe johnson.

Mills and parker for hill and carter.

[MultiTroll]

keep your dvd of 2014 playoffs close by.

[Clipper Nation]

Patty + Gasol + a pick or 2 for Deandre Jordan
Kawhi for DJ, final offer.

[Clipper Nation]

if the cavs can't improve as the trade deadline gets closer, i wonder if they'd consider moving lebron. if they become convinced he's gonna bolt they'd get some haul over nothing. not that the spurs have that kind of assets (spurs wouldn't trade kawhi).

if the cavs roster stands pat and they lose again in the finals... lebron to the spurs isn't the craziest idea i've heard. especially in this warrior dominated climate. i wonder if it would be between us and houston.
LeBron has a no-trade clause and is definitely not going to waive it for anyone. If the goal is to go elsewhere to compete with the Warriors, why would he want to make his future destination worse by forcing them to trade assets for him?

[Robz4000]

Kawhi for DJ, final offer.

Porker for DeMonkey, final offer.

[illusioNtEk]

Kawhi for DJ, final offer.

Blake, DJ and a pick for KL??

[Clipper Nation]

Porker for DeMonkey, final offer.
:lol No. At least with my trade, you'd get something in return when Kawhi goes to the Clippers. The alternative is getting nothing in return when Kawhi goes to the Clippers. :downspin:

[tbdog]

Lebron to Spurs is not far-fetched at all. The biggest issue is creating 30mil in cap space and still keeping his boy Danny Green.

[daslicer]

If Lebron really wants to stick it to the Warriors he should sign with the Rockets or the Spurs for the league minimum for a year. He can easily live off of his endorsement money.

[MVPCues]

Lebron to Spurs is not far-fetched at all. The biggest issue is creating 30mil in cap space and still keeping his boy Danny Green.

If he did it (not saying I think he would), it would only be for 1 year. He might do it for a 1 year experiment to challenge himself to accept having Pop as coach and boss and he just play ball . After the year is up, he goes somewhere where he would have the level of control he has grown used to.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Most likely yes, let's just hope Parker can swallow some of the huge pride and take significantly less to help the team.

Not when PATFO is paying Fatty Meals 50Mills for shitting the bed.

[gambit1990]

Mills and parker for hill and carter.
i'd take carter, pass on hill.


LeBron has a no-trade clause and is definitely not going to waive it for anyone. If the goal is to go elsewhere to compete with the Warriors, why would he want to make his future destination worse by forcing them to trade assets for him?
didn't know he had a no trade clause.

[sasaint]

Mills and parker for hill and carter.

I believe Georgie would bounce back strong if he were reunited with the Spurs. So, I would do this deal.

I also believe that PATFO will not want to re-up Tony. Asking him to take one (half a season) for the team as a farewell gesture might work.

[SAGirl]

I believe Georgie would bounce back strong if he were reunited with the Spurs. So, I would do this deal.

I also believe that PATFO will not want to re-up Tony. Asking him to take one (half a season) for the team as a farewell gesture might work.

I wish you were right sasaint.

Yet Tony has been talking about playing until he's 40 etc. What PATFO absolutely should not do is pay him a big salary if they re-up him. He's right now a veteran minimum player IMO the way he's playing and getting injured constantly.

He's in that stage of veterans who sign vet minimum contracts to play for a contender, like David West, David Lee, etc. Anyways, with his injury history and current production no one would pay him more. That is Tony's current value if he is going to be re-upped. If he has an indian summer in the playoffs like he did last season (b4 getting a season ending injury) then he's worth it, that is why you have vets like that. And if a youngin is playing better than him you play the youngin a fair amount of minutes.

[SAGirl]

I wonder if the current state of the team with injuries will prompt a trade of some sort.

[KDKSpurs24]

I wonder if the current state of the team with injuries will prompt a trade of some sort.
I’ve been thinking about this. It’s a good excuse to include Patty, imo.

[DPG21920]

Would be awesome if SA could get some extra picks, but with the injuries and playoff standings I don’t see them selling off parts for picks.

I think the injuries make them more stuck.

[sasaint]

I wish you were right sasaint.

Yet Tony has been talking about playing until he's 40 etc. What PATFO absolutely should not do is pay him a big salary if they re-up him. He's right now a veteran minimum player IMO the way he's playing and getting injured constantly.

He's in that stage of veterans who sign vet minimum contracts to play for a contender, like David West, David Lee, etc. Anyways, with his injury history and current production no one would pay him more. That is Tony's current value if he is going to be re-upped. If he has an indian summer in the playoffs like he did last season (b4 getting a season ending injury) then he's worth it, that is why you have vets like that. And if a youngin is playing better than him you play the youngin a fair amount of minutes.

As strong as the emotional bond may be, PATFO will not want to re-sign a player who cannot deliver more than Tony currently does. The team desperately needs a PG who is 1) healthy and 2) can efficiently run an offense. If he could play good defense, that would be perfect. Right now the team doesn't have a single PG in their entire collection who fills that bill. If it is obvious to me then it is more than obvious to PATFO.

I hope that PATFO do something to shore up the position before the trade deadline, although I realistically don't think that will happen. I will not be surprised if PATFO does re-up Tony, but that can't possibly be something they want to do if they have the future good of the team in mind.

All of this is heavily dependent on Murray. If he shows signs of being able to run an offense and he improves his decision-making then the odds are that PATFO will re-up Tony as a safety net. But if Murray doesn't show consistent development toward becoming that PG, then PATFO will be forced to find somebody who can. As you said, it ain't Tony because he is barely a vet minimum caliber player at this point.

[DPG21920]

Ew.

Thought process: Hill would be the best guard still and help defensively as well (in theory over Mills/TP). Murray would get more time at the 2 which helps offset the defensive loss with Danny (TP being moved would be better obviously). Then you add a good young big to the pipeline. Once with solid potential IMO.

[sasaint]

Hill/Forbes replaces Mills and Murray/Forbes/White replaces Danny. Then SA adds an actual young big with more than a pulse to the team.

With Kawhi out indefinitely again, your trade idea sounds even better.

[SAGirl]

As strong as the emotional bond may be, PATFO will not want to re-sign a player who cannot deliver more than Tony currently does. The team desperately needs a PG who is 1) healthy and 2) can efficiently run an offense. If he could play good defense, that would be perfect. Right now the team doesn't have a single PG in their entire collection who fills that bill. If it is obvious to me then it is more than obvious to PATFO.

I hope that PATFO do something to shore up the position before the trade deadline, although I realistically don't think that will happen. I will not be surprised if PATFO does re-up Tony, but that can't possibly be something they want to do if they have the future good of the team in mind.

All of this is heavily dependent on Murray. If he shows signs of being able to run an offense and he improves his decision-making then the odds are that PATFO will re-up Tony as a safety net. But if Murray doesn't show consistent development toward becoming that PG, then PATFO will be forced to find somebody who can. As you said, it ain't Tony because he is barely a vet minimum caliber player at this point.
With Kawhi injured the guard situation you describe is exposed even further.

But as we discussed: Kawhi's injury can have one of two effects:
1. it forces them to confront the problems they have with their PG situation... 5 PG and not one of them is really starter caliber.
2. or, they just tell themselves the team was built around Kawhi anyways... a PG wasn't meant to be that impactful with Kawhi handling the ball and commanding offensive possessions, while expanding his playmaking ability. and they stand pat.

Which one sounds like PATFO?

I do wonder if they want to make a trade this season to improve their situation. They are going through games getting meager production from both Tony and Patty and Patty especially, on top of being in yet another slump, is throwing the ball foolishly.

Murray isn't starting caliber this season and he won't be until he improves his offensive game. I am rooting for him, but he has to be better.

[Raven]

I seriously don't understand the Patty Mills hate... He's been nuttin but a 1st class teammate since he's been here. His towel waving on the bench, if someone falls he's the 1st to help pick them up, never complains, and tries his ass off. An all you disloyal, bitchmade, pussy, fair weather muthafuckas talk about is trading him or getting rid of him cuz the FO gave him 50mil at 12:01am on the 1st day of signing. What was he pose to do, not take it!?!

for real? he's been playing like shit ..

[sasaint]

With Kawhi injured the guard situation you describe is exposed even further.

But as we discussed: Kawhi's injury can have one of two effects:
1. it forces them to confront the problems they have with their PG situation... 5 PG and not one of them is really starter caliber.
2. or, they just tell themselves the team was built around Kawhi anyways... a PG wasn't meant to be that impactful with Kawhi handling the ball and commanding offensive possessions, while expanding his playmaking ability. and they stand pat.

Which one sounds like PATFO?

I do wonder if they want to make a trade this season to improve their situation. They are going through games getting meager production from both Tony and Patty and Patty especially, on top of being in yet another slump, is throwing the ball foolishly.

Murray isn't starting caliber this season and he won't be until he improves his offensive game. I am rooting for him, but he has to be better.

I agree that the latter scenario sounds like the PATFO that is so near and dear to ST, but even loyal-to-a-fault PATFO must recognize the indisputable facts at some point: neither 50Mills nor Tony is a PG who can lead a team to a championship - perhaps not even lead a team out of the first round.

[SAGirl]

I agree that the latter scenario sounds like the PATFO that is so near and dear to ST, but even loyal-to-a-fault PATFO must recognize the indisputable facts at some point: neither 50Mills nor Tony is a PG who can lead a team to a championship - perhaps not even lead a team out of the first round.
They haven't really been leading the team even in the regular season. For the guards, that has been Manu some games. He's 40... so yes, they need to do something.

[LittleCriminal]

call up Blossomgame, send white back to the g league..
put Bertans at SF...
trade Anderson for Larry Nance Jr...season saved..

[r0drig0lac]

call up Blossomgame, send white back to the g league..

[NASpurs]

call up Blossomgame, send Mills to the g league..


FTFY.

[ace3g]

With Kawhi Leonard Out Indefinitely, Will Spurs Make Splash at Trade Deadline?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754616-with-kawhi-leonard-out-indefinitely-will-spurs-make-splash-at-trade-deadline

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[jermaine]

I'd take Ferrari back even with Kawhi fully healthy.

[ace3g]

I'd take Ferrari back even with Kawhi fully healthy.

Elliott randomly name dropping Beli when stating along with Patty has some of the best off the ball movement in the league. :stirpot:

[wishful]

we should just save all our shit and trade for LeBron next year. Done

[dabom]

Marco was trash in 2014. Played really good in the clips series. Was trash during all the regular seasons he played here. Next.

[Ice009]

Marco played well against the Clippers and showed heart. He wanted to win and hit was doing his best to try and make that happen. I was mad at him during the 2 regular seasons, but he won me over in the Clippers series. That's the time to perform, when the games are bigger and the stakes are higher. I wanted him back after that series to see how he'd go for one more reason, but unfortunately he got an offer that I wouldn't have matched. That's what the Spurs should have done with Mills. Let him go and not overpay. The did the right thing with Marco, same situation with Mills, though, they fucked it up.

I'd definitely take Marco back. He doesn't shrivel. He may not be the best player, but he doesn't shrivel up when a lot of other players do.

[99 Problems]

Ferrari hit a big 3 against the Heat at a crucial time. Marco. :lobt2:

[jermaine]

I feel so stupid cuz I feel like I'm getting my hopes up for Marco, but I know we won't trade for him.. Pop would rather win an lose with the rookies just for experience reasons.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs have next to nothing to trade, and anything tradeable won't be moved because "loyalty".

[eDizzle20]

The Spurs should be selling in hopes of signing LeBron this offseason. No move this season will get the team to the Warriors level. If LeBron wanted to join the Spurs they would trade anyone outside of Kawhi to make it work salary wise. Hopefully Cleveland keeps stinking it up and the LeBron-Pop man crush is strong enough. A big three of Kawhi-LeBron-Aldridge would definitely compete with th Warriors.

[TimDunkem]

The Spurs should be selling in hopes of signing LeBron this offseason. No move this season will get the team to the Warriors level. If LeBron wanted to join the Spurs they would trade anyone outside of Kawhi to make it work salary wise. Hopefully Cleveland keeps stinking it up and the LeBron-Pop man crush is strong enough. A big three of Kawhi-LeBron-Aldridge would definitely compete with th Warriors.

Kawhi may never be right again, tbh.

[Maddog]

I like Marco, but how about Ersan Ilyasova?
Both he and Marco are available for rent.

[Seventyniner]

I like Marco, but how about Ersan Ilyasova?
Both he and Marco are available for rent.

The Spurs are already loaded at combo forward. Ilyasova would take all of Bertans's minutes imo.

[8FOR!3]

Mills/Forbes/Belinelli/Bertans/Lovergne has the potential to be the worst defensive lineup maybe of all time? (they wouldn't all play together obviously though)

I'm a fan of Belinelli so I'd bring him back, I think he's a big game player who doesn't shrivel under pressure like some other guys.

[Chinook]

The Spurs' problem is that they don't really have any dead contracts to use to make trades, and they really haven't since Jack in 2012. Splitter and Diaw were both tradeable, but the team had their slots already allocated to other guys. Parker would be potentially tradeable, but they aren't going to do that. Moreover, if the team is willing to deal Tony's expiring, they need to come out of the trade with something better than Beli. Paying for the Hawks to take Mills for Beli and Ersan is an idea.

Some people liked Plumlee, even though I didn't. Those folks might think Mills and Joff for Miles makes some sense. Plumlee has been awful, but his best season came as a dive-man in a fast-paced system. Bryn, Manu, Gay, Bertans, Plumlee would be an interesting unit. The contract is shorter, with only $25 Million left rather than $40 Million with Patty. And no chance of Joff opting in. Then they can give the young guards a chance to compete for time with an open slot left for a buyout candidate if they end up needing a vet. It would be a real idea if Plumlee were just a bit better of a player. But alas, he's about as good as Lauvergne.

[spurraider21]

Marco was trash in 2014. Played really good in the clips series. Was trash during all the regular seasons he played here. Next.
:lmao regular season

won a championship in his first season here, and he was one of our better playoff performers in his second season

[dabom]

:lmao regular season

won a championship in his first season here, and he was one of our better playoff performers in his second season

Austin daye won a championship too. That's not a point to make. :lmao

He literally brought nothing in the regular season. :lol

You still need players to get a good seeding. He didn't step up when we were injury plagued. The Spurs let him go for a reason. Faggot. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Austin daye won a championship too. That's not a point to make. :lmao

He literally brought nothing in the regular season. :lol

You still need players to get a good seeding. He didn't step up when we were injury plagued. The Spurs let him go for a reason. Faggot. :lmao
yeah because he signed elsewhere for 6 mil per year :lol

same thing spurs should have done with patty instead of overpaying him AT MIDNIGHT :lmao... 36% 3 point shooter for PAST TWO playoff runs

[dabom]

yeah because he signed elsewhere for 6 mil per year :lol

Spurs don't let players they like go dumbass. :lmao

[SAGirl]

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[LittleCriminal]

Produce or get reduced.
Call up Blossomgame and get rid of Anderson already..

[tholdren]

954107854809595904

Trade kl, is a crybaby

[ECOV]

Trade kl, is a crybaby
are you sure you're not talking about yourself?

[TimDunkem]

Kemba is officially on the trade block.

[duncan2k5]

call up Blossomgame, send white back to the g league..
put Bertans at SF...
trade Anderson for Larry Nance Jr...season saved..

Agree with all of this

[TheGreatYacht]

Kemba is officially on the trade block.
Earning $12M this year and next.

I know a fat aboriginal that's making a little more than that.....

[Chinook]

Earning $12M this year and next.

I know a fat aboriginal that's making a little more than that.....

Patty is making less than that actually. Dude's deal is backloaded

[Chinook]

Kemba is officially on the trade block.

Issue is that Charlotte is desperate to save salary and is probably trying to force Batum on folks as part of the package. Even before getting into why the team shouldn't make take Nic on, they don't have the salary relief available. If they are willing to drop it to Williams or Zeller, than maybe Parker, Green/Gay and Joff/Anderson/Bertans would work.

[Chinook]

Something like this works under the CBA:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7kbvj87

Spurs end up decently in the tax, but they're below the apron. So it would really only be a matter of the money loss. But unless the Holts were lying, they can't afford to do that as it is. If they are willing to go for it, that plus two unprotected firsts may be something. The news of Kawhi's injury has to be putting SA's stock at a relative low, which raises the value of unprotected picks.

Walker, Mills, White
Green, Ginobili, Forbes, Graham
Leonard, Paul, Bacon
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Zeller

That has a lot of upside if the team is willing to pay for it.

[Ice009]

Darn, I'd be very, very interested in Kemba. Wow, didn't think he'd be on the block as he contract is good value for money right now. Hopefully the Spurs try and make a play for him.

[bklynspursfan]

Something like this works under the CBA:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7kbvj87

Spurs end up decently in the tax, but they're below the apron. So it would really only be a matter of the money loss. But unless the Holts were lying, they can't afford to do that as it is. If they are willing to go for it, that plus two unprotected firsts may be something. The news of Kawhi's injury has to be putting SA's stock at a relative low, which raises the value of unprotected picks.

Walker, Mills, White
Green, Ginobili, Forbes, Graham
Leonard, Paul, Bacon
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Zeller

That has a lot of upside if the team is willing to pay for it.

TP ain't getting dealt

[SAGirl]

I think if they have a chance to deal TP and come away with an upgrade at PG they should do it.

But, I don't see them going into the tax. They got all the way to the WCF last season and still lost money. With Kawhi in a questionable state, paying tax in a "lost season" is not good business.

I don't think Charlotte would do that deal either... on both sides it's probably a no.

[spursistan]

Hornets won't blink on unloading one of their cancerous salaries with Walker until late next summer..So I don't expect him to get dealt before the deadline..

[BatManu20]

I think if they have a chance to deal TP and come away with an upgrade at PG they should do it.

They would never. Loyalty, culture, etc etc. Tony is a Spur for life.

[SAGirl]

They would never. Loyalty, culture, etc etc. Tony is a Spur for life.
yea, it's unfortunate.

and I am even not a tony hater. If you can deal him and get better you should... it's a business.

Tony is 35 has been injured, and probably will continue to be very injury prone from now on,

But he's going to be a FA after this summer. The Spurs could sign him right back to a vet minimum deal if you think about it. (I don't know if the CBA allows this though... ignorant there)

[BatManu20]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Would trade Green in a second. Especially if Lamb or Monk is included

[Chinook]

TP ain't getting dealt

You can say that, but PAFTO were all in for PGs before. After they signed Mills, they pretty much committed to him being around.

[bklynspursfan]

You can say that, but PAFTO were all in for PGs before. After they signed Mills, they pretty much committed to him being around.

I mean unless TP said he's open to it, I don't see anyway they move him. I'd even guess Mills is more movable than he is if they had to choose b/w the 2. TP isn't like George Hill here, they wouldn't move him unless he wants out.

[sasaint]

Hornets won't blink on unloading one of their cancerous salaries with Walker until late next summer..So I don't expect him to get dealt before the deadline..

Before the draft next summer makes better sense.

[LittleCriminal]

lol "Spurs" fans posting TP9 being traded....lol wtf.

[spurs50_]

Parker is Popovich's Austin Rivers

[jermaine]

Parker is Popovich's Austin Rivers

This man speaks truths!!!

[Chinook]

I mean unless TP said he's open to it, I don't see anyway they move him. I'd even guess Mills is more movable than he is if they had to choose b/w the 2. TP isn't like George Hill here, they wouldn't move him unless he wants out.

Again, you have to decide if you're going to be good or loyal. Parker can take a few months away from the club and come back in July. I don't remotely see how that's unfair to him.

[Dre_7]

Parker is Popovich's Austin Rivers

Except Parker >>>>>>>>>> anything Rivers will ever be. His name doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Parker.

[pad300]

Something like this works under the CBA:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7kbvj87

Spurs end up decently in the tax, but they're below the apron. So it would really only be a matter of the money loss. But unless the Holts were lying, they can't afford to do that as it is. If they are willing to go for it, that plus two unprotected firsts may be something. The news of Kawhi's injury has to be putting SA's stock at a relative low, which raises the value of unprotected picks.

Walker, Mills, White
Green, Ginobili, Forbes, Graham
Leonard, Paul, Bacon
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Zeller

That has a lot of upside if the team is willing to pay for it.

Try this instead : https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1661867******=80#p62332739

[r0drig0lac]

lol "Spurs" fans posting TP9 being traded....lol wtf.

parallel world of spurstalk

[gambit1990]

charlotte doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

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[gambit1990]

The Hornets had already made available Nicolas Batum (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3416/nicolas-batum) (four years, $100 million), Dwight Howard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) (two years, $47 million), Marvin Williams (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2797/marvin-williams) (three years, $42 million) and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6601/michael-kidd-gilchrist) (three years, $39 million), league sources said, but those players and their contracts are largely unattractive in the marketplace.
:lol

[Leetonidas]

Someone call up MJ and explain to him Kawhi and LMA winning chips with Kemba is only good for the Jordan brand :lol

[dabom]

:lol
:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Again, you have to decide if you're going to be good or loyal. Parker can take a few months away from the club and come back in July. I don't remotely see how that's unfair to him.

I mean if you think Pop is going to have him move away from his family temporarily, then sure. But I don't see any way that happens. Plus, the Spurs are already good. TP will only be traded if he wants to play elsewhere. More likely tho, he'll be a Spur for life

[MaNu4Tres]

There's not a lot of teams that Kemba makes sense for.

The point guard position is the most saturated in the NBA. Most playoff teams already have a franchise point guard and for the lottery teams that don't have a promising young PG, would it make sense for them to trade assets for a win now move? I think not.

Spurs are one of the few teams, if not the only team, that:

A) Is a contender
B) Has a huge need at PG
C) Has the assets to offer a solid deal


Can be simple as Mills, Murray, rights to Milutinov and a 19' 1st for Kemba

Or maybe

Mills, Murray, Green, 1st in 19'

For

Kemba and Lamb

[SAGirl]

There's not a lot of teams that Kemba makes sense for.

The point guard position is the most saturated in the NBA. Most playoff teams already have a franchise point guard and for the lottery teams that don't have a promising young PG, would it make sense for them to trade assets for a win now move? I think not.

Spurs are one of the few teams, if not the only team, that:

A) Is a contender
B) Has a huge need at PG
C) Has the assets to offer a solid deal


Can be simple as Mills, Murray, rights to Milutinov and a 19' 1st for Kemba

Or maybe

Mills, Murray, Green, 1st in 19'

For

Kemba and Lamb
Makes sense...

Again if Spurs don't make a move it's bc they don't want to... loyalty, culture, etc.

[pad300]

There's not a lot of teams that Kemba makes sense for.

The point guard position is the most saturated in the NBA. Most playoff teams already have a franchise point guard and for the lottery teams that don't have a promising young PG, would it make sense for them to trade assets for a win now move? I think not.

Spurs are one of the few teams, if not the only team, that:

A) Is a contender
B) Has a huge need at PG
C) Has the assets to offer a solid deal


Can be simple as Mills, Murray, rights to Milutinov and a 19' 1st for Kemba

Or maybe

Mills, Murray, Green, 1st in 19'

For

Kemba and Lamb

Interesting, but you're not willing to offer this years first? Why?

[TD 21]

There's not a lot of teams that Kemba makes sense for.

The point guard position is the most saturated in the NBA. Most playoff teams already have a franchise point guard and for the lottery teams that don't have a promising young PG, would it make sense for them to trade assets for a win now move? I think not.

Spurs are one of the few teams, if not the only team, that:

A) Is a contender
B) Has a huge need at PG
C) Has the assets to offer a solid deal

:tu

The key line in the Wojnarowski story: Charlotte is hopeful that the inclusion of Walker in a potential trade could help bring back a good, young player or a first-round draft pick.

So in addition to what you just said and I've been saying, they know that their insistence on dumping a bloated contract will also drive down the return some. Gay, Mills, Murray, 1st for Walker, Williams, is the trade that makes sense.

Spurs shouldn't need pressuring, but if they're going to play the culture / loyalty game, particularly with Mills, this is where you'd hope Leonard or even Aldridge steps in and tells them to pursue this to the fullest. Walker and Williams are not only good fits on court, but known as two good guys too.

[gambit1990]

I mean if you think Pop is going to have him move away from his family temporarily, then sure.
i think tony can afford a couple plane tickets.

[MaNu4Tres]

:tu

The key line in the Wojnarowski story: Charlotte is hopeful that the inclusion of Walker in a potential trade could help bring back a good, young player or a first-round draft pick.

So in addition to what you just said and I've been saying, they know that their insistence on dumping a bloated contract will also drive down the return some. Gay, Mills, Murray, 1st for Walker, Williams, is the trade that makes sense.

Spurs shouldn't need pressuring, but if they're going to play the culture / loyalty game, particularly with Mills, this is where you'd hope Leonard or even Aldridge steps in and tells them to pursue this to the fullest. Walker and Williams are not only good fits on court, but known as two good guys too.

I'd love that deal you proposed. Marvin is sneaky underrated. Very smart, efficient player that can D up.

[Maddog]

There's not a lot of teams that Kemba makes sense for.

The point guard position is the most saturated in the NBA. Most playoff teams already have a franchise point guard and for the lottery teams that don't have a promising young PG, would it make sense for them to trade assets for a win now move? I think not.

Spurs are one of the few teams, if not the only team, that:

A) Is a contender
B) Has a huge need at PG
C) Has the assets to offer a solid deal


Can be simple as Mills, Murray, rights to Milutinov and a 19' 1st for Kemba

Or maybe

Mills, Murray, Green, 1st in 19'

For

Kemba and Lamb


Makes sense...

Again if Spurs don't make a move it's bc they don't want to... loyalty, culture, etc.

It makes some from the Spurs, but doesn't help Charlotte much. A late first rounder for more committed salary...24 million.

[sasaint]

I remember when Batum was the Spurs' pre-draft target. I did not realize that he had completely fallen off a cliff.

[TD 21]

I'd love that deal you proposed. Marvin is sneaky underrated. Very smart, efficient player that can D up.

Yeah. No one should have more motivation than Spurs to pull this off. They have to attempt to take advantage of a rare opportunity where so many things appear to line up. If they don't at the very least pursue this to the fullest, it will tell me they're no longer serious about contending for a championship.

Aldridge/Williams
Leonard/Anderson
Gasol/Aldridge
Green/Ginobili
Walker/Parker

Bertans, Forbes, Lauvergne, Paul, White.

2nd best team in the league, capable of giving Warriors a series.

[Dex]

I remember when Batum was the Spurs' pre-draft target. I did not realize that he had completely fallen off a cliff.

Yeah, not only is a far cry from the Batum that used to kill the Spurs in Portland, but he's also making 25M for the next four years. No thanks.

[sasaint]

Yeah, not only is a far cry from the Batum that used to kill the Spurs in Portland, but he's also making 25M for the next four years. No thanks.

That has to rank as one of the 2-3 worst contracts in the league.

[bklynspursfan]

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[TD 21]

Shumpert, Frye, Rose, would probably be the return. Kings could buyout Frye and Rose, who are both expiring, while Shumpert makes almost $8M less than Hill next season.

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, Walker has his flaws, but he would be perfect for the Spurs..I can't remember the last time there was a player on the trading block who would actually fill a hole that would make the Spurs a contender, tbh..Pop probably isn't even paying attention, though:lol

[gambit1990]

954465382663950336
:lol

they wouldn’t win one more game in the finals with him.

and that contract :lol

[phxspurfan]

Sir Charles on TNT last night predicted Cavs would not get out of the East and one of the East contenders would pull of a deadline deal.

[phxspurfan]

Damn, Walker has his flaws, but he would be perfect for the Spurs..I can't remember the last time there was a player on the trading block who would actually fill a hole that would make the Spurs a contender, tbh..Pop probably isn't even paying attention, though:lol

Oh damn, don't tease me. I'd instantly buy a Kemba jersey. Dude is tough as nails.

[TimDunkem]

Earning $12M this year and next.

I know a fat aboriginal that's making a little more than that.....

It's fucking incredible how badly Patty fleeced PATFO. :lmao

[jermaine]

If yal don't think the Spurs FO ain't tryna get Kemba, yal some fucking fools.. Esp after the reports of how they tried hard to get Irving...

[jermaine]

All this loyalty talk... Who besides Ginobil, Duncan, an Bonner have they been loyal to??? They tried to trade Parkers ass before, an everyone else they let walk cuz they not paying tip dollar!!!!

[Seventyniner]

Damn, Walker has his flaws, but he would be perfect for the Spurs..I can't remember the last time there was a player on the trading block who would actually fill a hole that would make the Spurs a contender, tbh..Pop probably isn't even paying attention, though:lol

Woj said that the Spurs tried really hard to get Kyrie, so they have to at least be kicking the tires on Walker. If the Spurs don't get Walker I think it will be because they won't trade Parker, won't take on a terrible contract, or the Hornets don't want Mills.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah. No one should have more motivation than Spurs to pull this off. They have to attempt to take advantage of a rare opportunity where so many things appear to line up. If they don't at the very least pursue this to the fullest, it will tell me they're no longer serious about contending for a championship.

Aldridge/Williams
Leonard/Anderson
Gasol/Aldridge
Green/Ginobili
Walker/Parker

Bertans, Forbes, Lauvergne, Paul, White.

2nd best team in the league, capable of giving Warriors a series.

Closing with

Aldridge
Marvin
Leonard
Green or Manu
Kemba

.....

[BatManu20]

I stated a couple weeks ago in this thread how much I'd love Kemba on this team. A go-to scoring PG who can actually handle the rock and plays his best ball under pressure. A true closer. And he'd fill our biggest position of need.

But we just don't realistically have anything to give up for him at this point. Charlotte is going to want something of value in return for their best player.

[BatManu20]

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[SpurPadre]

I think Kemba celebrates after making some baskets so I highly doubt Pop wants him, tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

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[SAGirl]

I stated a couple weeks ago in this thread how much I'd love Kemba on this team. A go-to scoring PG who can actually handle the rock and plays his best ball under pressure. A true closer. And he'd fill our biggest position of need.

But we just don't realistically have anything to give up for him at this point. Charlotte is going to want something of value in return for their best player.
They have players they can trade... they won't trade is another matter.

[sasaint]

I would love Georgie if he were bought out. He has an excellent 3-ball, and I believe he would be terrific back in a Spurs uniform. I just wouldn't trade for that contract. I am interested to see who would...

[objective]

It makes some from the Spurs, but doesn't help Charlotte much. A late first rounder for more committed salary...24 million.

I could see a scenario where they would want Murray, he'll be cheap for 2 more years + under team control another restricted year. Compared to Kemba who would cost a ton after next year, probably 20+ million.

The Charlotte decision makers are believably dumb enough to buy into the hype some people have been about Dejounte Murray.

If the Spurs could peel off another bad contract for than I don't think a deal is out of the question if no other team steps up.

[Maddog]

I could see a scenario where they would want Murray, he'll be cheap for 2 more years + under team control another restricted year. Compared to Kemba who would cost a ton after next year, probably 20+ million.

The Charlotte decision makers are believably dumb enough to buy into the hype some people have been about Dejounte Murray.

If the Spurs could peel off another bad contract for than I don't think a deal is out of the question if no other team steps up.

You'd have to include Murray to get kemba
Mills a 1 and Murray. Still not sure they would bite.

[Robz4000]

You'd have to include Murray to get kemba
Mills a 1 and Murray. Still not sure they would bite.

If it were Parker instead of Mills they might. They want cap relief as much as anything.

[objective]

You'd have to include Murray to get kemba
Mills a 1 and Murray. Still not sure they would bite.

I'd have no problem giving up Murray to get Kemba.

Murray would be the allegedly good young player Charlotte is seeking. Mills-Murray-Kyle-Joffrey-2019 first for Kemba-Lamb works if Charlotte cuts MCW to get the roster space.

Walker fits into the Spurs timeline better, if say Kawhi's prime is shortened with these repeat injuries.

[Namundy]

They're trying to shed salary, not do the Spurs favors.

[Gagnrath]

Pop traded Bruce Bowen and his favorite guy in George Hill. When you trade away people who you proclaim are your favorites and guys who you want to hang their numbers from the rafters is anyone safe if the right deal comes along?

[ace3g]

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[objective]

The reason a Parker instead of Mills deal doesn't work on the Spurs side beyond the Parker loyalty is the Spurs can't afford to pay Kemba next summer with Mills on the roster.

They can't afford the luxury of the highest paid back up point in the league and still pay Kemba 20+, which if Hill could get Kemba can get

[gambit1990]

cavs going after exactly who i said they and the spurs should go after: deandre and lou williams.

[TimDunkem]

The reason a Parker instead of Mills deal doesn't work on the Spurs side beyond the Parker loyalty is the Spurs can't afford to pay Kemba next summer with Mills on the roster.

They can't afford the luxury of the highest paid back up point in the league and still pay Kemba 20+, which if Hill could get Kemba can get

That Mills contract is just going to get worse and worse.

[objective]

That Mills contract is just going to get worse and worse.

No doubt. And Kemba is too small to play with Mills, even if Mills wasn't $50 million of trash

[NASpurs]

Like I said in the game thread, trade Mills + Lauvergne for Amir Johnson’s expiring $11 million. The Sixers need a backup point that can shoot and Patty can be reunited with the Australians up there. The Spurs get rid of Mills and Lauvergne’s player option.

This is assuming you can’t get Walker in return and a last ditch effort.

[TheGreatYacht]

Like I said in the game thread, trade Mills + Lauvergne for Amir Johnson’s expiring $11 million. The Sixers need a backup point that can shoot and Patty can be reunited with the Australians up there. The Spurs get rid of Mills and Lauvergne’s player option.

This is assuming you can’t get Walker in return and a last ditch effort.
That's just too smart, man. In other words... it ain't happening.

Expect a wet fart trade for a benchwarmer in the form of De Culo-Daye

[sasaint]

Like I said in the game thread, trade Mills + Lauvergne for Amir Johnson’s expiring $11 million. The Sixers need a backup point that can shoot and Patty can be reunited with the Australians up there. The Spurs get rid of Mills and Lauvergne’s player option.

This is assuming you can’t get Walker in return and a last ditch effort.

I think Amir as a player and his contract have more value than that. I think the 76'ers can do better.