NBA Trade Deadline: 2020-21 Season

[mo7888]

They can probably trade Barnes and get an asset back. BOS is interested.

If they can get an asset and not take back a bad contract then they will do that.... it's certainly possible since it's a sellers market..

[RC_Drunkford]

There’s zero context here but imagine they had Harden, Russ, KD, CP3, and now Griffen and have zero rings to show for it :lol

but 30 draft picks :lmao

[LCM]

I've been wondering about Barnes and Bjelica in a deal involving Aldridge, if their looking to clear up their books and provide the Spurs with depth at the four but that would probably require Spurs giving up an asset.

Been reports Celtics want Barnes for the Trade Exception they have. Kings are saying no because they still want to make the playoffs, but it could be smoke. If Sacramento is trying to make the playoffs, then any moves they make will be for Bjelica first. Miami and 76ers are interested in him. Kings being sellers will depend on their record and how many games out of the 8th spot they are about a week to 10 days before the trade deadline. Spurs would probably be looking at Lonnie as that asset to part with potentially.

[cd021]

It's crazy you think his value is only 80 mil over 3.
I mean that's about what he's making now. Maintaining that salary several years into his 30s seems like a reasonable bet. DDR receiving a fourth year seems unlikely, at that rate, given that he'll be 35 then.

Teams, and the rest of the league as a whole, seem to undervalue him. I don't think teams are going to be lining up to sign him to, say, a four year, $120 million dollar deal like Hayward, even though Hayward was coming off several down years with bad injury luck.

I don't even see the Spurs paying him around $27 million per for the next three seasons when they have a bunch of promising guards and wings that can help to replace his production with more minutes and usage.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You dont trade for griffin for Griffin. You trade him for the asset(s) attached.

With $39MM promised to him next year (on top of this year's salary), it would have to be some damn good assets.

[Dverde]

LMA/LW IV for Nikola Vucevic works on paper. Spurs will have to include future draft picks and that is when all chance of the trade happening ends. Not sure if Vucevic would be good with our core group.

[cool cat]

There’s zero context here but imagine they had Harden, Russ, KD, CP3, and now Griffen and have zero rings to show for it :lol

To be fair only one of those players have a ring.

[r0drig0lac]

To be fair only one of those players have a ring.superteam = ring*...and no playoff series win without a star on your team.

[tbdog]

LMA/LW IV for Nikola Vucevic works on paper. Spurs will have to include future draft picks and that is when all chance of the trade happening ends. Not sure if Vucevic would be good with our core group.

We have a starting center on a cheap contract. We needed Gordon not vuc. And Orlando don't need LMA cause they have vuc.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1361825177680695296

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1361825177680695296

Pat Riley will take Brian Wright to the back of the shed so any dealings with Miami naturally scare me.

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This is what that article is in reference to:

Also LMA + Rudy for ___

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[tonight...you]

Pat Riley will take Brian Wright to the back of the shed so any dealings with Miami naturally scare me.

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This is what that article is in reference to:

Also LMA + Rudy for ___

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There's no way any deal with Miami will be lopsided for the Spurs, so what might we be looking at?

[exstatic]

There's no way any deal with Miami will be lopsided for the Spurs, so what might we be looking at?

I don’t think we’re looking. I think some internet jockey is trying to make his bones.

[tonight...you]

I don’t think we’re looking. I think some internet jockey is trying to make his bones.
You're probably right.

[cd021]

Pat Riley will take Brian Wright to the back of the shed so any dealings with Miami naturally scare me.

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This is what that article is in reference to:

Also LMA + Rudy for ___

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Would have to be:

Iguadala+ Leonard+Olynyk for Aldridge+Gay

Heat don't have much in the way of assets a 2027 unprotected 2nd round pick and I think they can technically trade a first but it would be pretty far out. They owe a 2023 first that is lottery protected through '25 and unprotected in '26 to OKC.

Assuming that pick conveys in 2023, the Spurs could get their pick in 2025 or 2026--obviously, they'd be lottery protected. It would have to be protected in a pretty specific way through.

[LCM]

There's no way any deal with Miami will be lopsided for the Spurs, so what might we be looking at?

Olynyk and Iggy would cover LMA. Combination of Myers Leonard w Avery Bradley/Mo Harkness would cover Gay. They are not going to offer Robinson, Nunn, or Precious. Iggy, Leonard, and Bradley all have one more year on their contracts. The Heat want to use that money to pay Robinson and Nunn new contracts since they will be FA in the offseason and whatever pick they have next year. Olynyk and Harkless are expiring. Miami is similar to Detroit in they don't have ready available 1st rd picks to trade.

[cd021]

Smaller possible trades could be:

Aldridge for Leonard, Olynyk, 2027 Miami 2nd

Gay for Harkless, Leonard, 2027 Miami 2nd

not great returns tbh

[NASpurs]

Smaller possible trades could be:

Aldridge for Leonard, Olynyk, 2027 Miami 2nd

Gay for Harkless, Leonard, 2027 Miami 2nd

not great returns tbh

Compare those players to the FA agent class next year and the actual possibility of a FA coming here, would the Spurs be better off making some of these deals you mentioned?

[LCM]

Smaller possible trades could be:

Aldridge for Leonard, Olynyk, 2027 Miami 2nd

Gay for Harkless, Leonard, 2027 Miami 2nd

not great returns tbh

No they aren't. Plus, I wouldn't want to bail Riley out of Iggy's contract. He made his bed with that one, he can stay in it.

[CGD]

Gay for Olynk + KZ

[cjw]

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“That can be had for very little” :smokin the Spurs aren’t handling away Gay and LMA for nothing AND taking back salary beyond this year.

Literally making stuff up and seeing if it sticks. Surprised someone like Morey follows that clown.

[Chinook]

Imagine thinking Miami is closer to being win-now this year than the Spurs...

I could see Miami liking Aldridge and giving him an extension ala Iggy as part of a trade. They don't need to worry about free agency this year. But at the very least, SA should be expecting Duncan Robinson back in the deal. The Spurs just have no incentive.

Aldridge and Lyles for Leonard, Olynyk and Robinson. This saves SA a lot of money from the pure salary difference and the fact that Leonard's contract is being paid by insurance. Miami probably wants a cheaper contract to be part of the deal than Lyles or at least wants to include Iggy instead of one of the guys. But SA needs Olynyk to provide big-man depth, and unless they find a third team that wants Iggy, they probably don't find him worth the extra salary without Achiuwa being in the deal rather than Robinson. The Spurs get the RFA rights to a young forward who looks like a fit with their youngsters while avoiding taking long-term money.

[tbdog]

I mean that's about what he's making now. Maintaining that salary several years into his 30s seems like a reasonable bet. DDR receiving a fourth year seems unlikely, at that rate, given that he'll be 35 then.

Teams, and the rest of the league as a whole, seem to undervalue him. I don't think teams are going to be lining up to sign him to, say, a four year, $120 million dollar deal like Hayward, even though Hayward was coming off several down years with bad injury luck.

I don't even see the Spurs paying him around $27 million per for the next three seasons when they have a bunch of promising guards and wings that can help to replace his production with more minutes and usage.

I always felt a 3/77 deal was fair, which is what LMA got. But the cap went up since then, so it's closer to 90.

[PhantomDashCam]

Not sure Miami wants any part of Aldridge, contrary to reports.
Unless he has slimmed down and committed himself physically, LMA doesn’t seem to meet Miami’s stringent conditioning itinerary.

https://heatnation.com/team-news/miami-heat-players-required-weigh-themselves-10-days/


It is known around the NBA that the Miami Heat (https://heatnation.com/tag/miami-heat/) take conditioning and fitness extremely seriously.They even suspended (https://heatnation.com/team-news/miami-heat-james-johnson-miss-start-camp-didnt-fulfill-conditioning-requirements/) forward James Johnson (https://heatnation.com/tag/james-johnson/) at the start of training camp this season after he failed to meet the conditioning requirements set by the team.
Heat guard Duncan Robinson (https://heatnation.com/tag/duncan-robinson/) revealed another level of the Heat’s intensity when he recently said (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article239422468.html) that they require their players to weigh themselves about every 10 days.
The team also makes sure to have its players measure their body fat.

[spurraider21]

if we can actually dump aldridge... prayingdog.jpg

[tbdog]

Not sure Miami wants any part of Aldridge, contrary to reports.
Unless he has slimmed down and committed himself physically, LMA doesn’t seem to meet Miami’s stringent conditioning itinerary.

https://heatnation.com/team-news/miami-heat-players-required-weigh-themselves-10-days/

LMA isn't out of shape. He looks fairly lean.

[cd98]

I don’t see anything on the Heat roster that they would give up to the Spurs that the Spurs would want. It’s more than just marching salary. It’s what incentive do the Spurs have to trade for people that all have another year on their contract when they can shed salary just by keeping LMA. And they can buy him out at the buy out deadline if they want to do him a solid. Miami has to give up something to get any players. I see the Spurs keeping all players. It looks like they’ll make the playoffs. Why trade anyone?

[tbdog]

I don’t see anything on the Heat roster that they would give up to the Spurs that the Spurs would want. It’s more than just marching salary. It’s what incentive do the Spurs have to trade for people that all have another year on their contract when they can shed salary just by keeping LMA. And they can buy him out at the buy out deadline if they want to do him a solid. Miami has to give up something to get any players. I see the Spurs keeping all players. It looks like they’ll make the playoffs. Why trade anyone?

The only deal I can think of is Olynyk, Iggy, Leonard and Robinson for Gay and LMA. But eating Leonard's and Iggy contract for two years sucks. So perhaps moving Iggy to Dallas for James Johnson is an option. As for Leonard ��#♂️

[TD 21]

The Heat aren't trading Robinson for Aldridge. The only expendable, notable young player they have is Nunn. Obviously, he doesn't make sense for the Spurs, so bringing in a third team and getting something that does (earlyish 2nd or commensurate youngish player is probably his value) is how this could make theoretical sense.

Realistically, the Spurs aren't doing that though (or anything) unless Aldridge requests a trade.

Some of these takes, while typical, are simultaneously astonishing. Why would the Magic or Kings have interest in Aldridge (to play a position he hasn't been able to in years, no less), why would the Magic trade Vucevic for no notable Spurs youth/picks and why would the Kings feel compelled to trade Barnes? None of this makes sense.

[tbdog]

The Heat aren't trading Robinson for Aldridge. The only expendable, notable young player they have is Nunn. Obviously, he doesn't make sense for the Spurs, so bringing in a third team and getting something that does (earlyish 2nd or commensurate youngish player is probably his value) is how this could make theoretical sense.

Realistically, the Spurs aren't doing that though (or anything) unless Aldridge requests a trade.

Some of these takes, while typical, are simultaneously astonishing. Why would the Magic or Kings have interest in Aldridge (to play a position he hasn't been able to in years, no less), why would the Magic trade Vucevic for no notable Spurs youth/picks and why would the Kings feel compelled to trade Barnes? None of this makes sense.

Heat are in win now mode. Under my proposed deal they'll get gay and LMA, and lose Robinson as their only important piece. That would secure them with a great second unit. I agree with Kings and Magic. It's not happening.

[Mr. Body]

Heat are in win now mode. Under my proposed deal they'll get gay and LMA, and lose Robinson as their only important piece. That would secure them with a great second unit. I agree with Kings and Magic. It's not happening.

Miami is not in win now mode.

[Teamduncan21]

We look more win now than miami. Or 80 percent of eastern teams

[Mr. Body]

We look more win now than miami. Or 80 percent of eastern teams

No, we're not either. Win now has a specific meaning.

[Dejounte]

No, we're not either. Win now has a specific meaning.

A team with Jimmy Butler and has tasted the NBA Finals isn't win now?

[venitian navigator]

Butler 31, Dragic 34, Iguodala 37,Bradley over 30 too... And olinyk 29. Win now mode... In a situation like this I think someone like Achiuwa could be considered, in the Heat s wiew, expendable for veterans like Gay and LMA... And the only decent offer SA could consider.

[Mr. Body]

A team with Jimmy Butler and has tasted the NBA Finals isn't win now?

No. Do you know what 'win now' means in this context?

[Dejounte]

No. Do you know what 'win now' means in this context?

No. Go ahead, please explain.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I mean that's about what he's making now. Maintaining that salary several years into his 30s seems like a reasonable bet. DDR receiving a fourth year seems unlikely, at that rate, given that he'll be 35 then.

Teams, and the rest of the league as a whole, seem to undervalue him. I don't think teams are going to be lining up to sign him to, say, a four year, $120 million dollar deal like Hayward, even though Hayward was coming off several down years with bad injury luck.

I don't even see the Spurs paying him around $27 million per for the next three seasons when they have a bunch of promising guards and wings that can help to replace his production with more minutes and usage.

I can see Toronto, Chicago and even Charlotte or Knicks giving him a Hayward type deal.

[cd021]

The only deal I can think of is Olynyk, Iggy, Leonard and Robinson for Gay and LMA. But eating Leonard's and Iggy contract for two years sucks. So perhaps moving Iggy to Dallas for James Johnson is an option. As for Leonard 🤷#♂️

Both Iggy and Leonard are team options for next season, so its a non-issue. Spurs could keep Iggy and look to trade him ahead of the draft to a team looking to save salary, in exchange for a pick. The other team could then decline the contract--at least I believe that's possible. Otherwise the Spurs could just decline their team options prior to FA



Compare those players to the FA agent class next year and the actual possibility of a FA coming here, would the Spurs be better off making some of these deals you mentioned?


Aldridge and Gay for Iggy, Leonard, Olynyk a protected future first or a 2027 second + another asset.


-Would definitely do. Get a future first (assuming that Miami can trade one, which I think is technically possible) to move on from Gay and Aldridge who are on expirings is a win and probably wouldn't hurt the trajectory of this team this season. Iggy and Leonard can be waived and Olynyk could actually be an interesting piece in the front court.

Aldridge for Leonard, Olynyk, 2027 Miami 2nd


Not good return but getting a future asset for Aldridge is better than nothing and doesn't affect the Spurs cap situation going forward. Plus it clears the for Poeltl as the fulltime starter.

Gay for Harkless, Leonard, 2027 Miami 2nd

Meh, probably not.


No they aren't. Plus, I wouldn't want to bail Riley out of Iggy's contract. He made his bed with that one, he can stay in it.

I think he Riley was fairly smart regarding Iggy's extension. He could pick up Iggy's final year option and then use his $15 million salary to help Miami swing a big trade. Otherwise Riley could just decline the team option to Iggy and Leonard, Dragic and Bradley and use cap space


I always felt a 3/77 deal was fair, which is what LMA got. But the cap went up since then, so it's closer to 90.

I don't think team's are using the increase of the cap to necessarily figure into how they value a player--at least directly. I could see a team offering him 3 years, $80 million and if another team isn't offering more, then that's his value.

It doesn't matter that he'd be making roughly the same salary annually as the back-end of the contract of a contract that he signed like 5 years ago if teams aren't willing to offer him more and he can play offers off one another.

[rankingtear]

The Miami Heat (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/mia/miami-heat) owe their 2021 first to Oklahoma City and their 2023 first with three years of protections to the Thunder as well. Because of the Stepien rule and an uncertainty of when those picks can convey, the Heat also can't currently trade a first-rounder.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30743307/the-reasons-why-half-nba-trade-their-first-round-pick-right-now

[JADG79]

Nobody wants LMA unless they need to get rid of a bad or long contract to have some cap next year is a defense liability.

Some examples
- Horford
- Drummond (This is an exception)
- Love
- Griffin

Unless SAS gets a player who makes us a contender now or in the future, there's no way Aldridge can be traded.


If LMA accept a bench role and Poeltl continue to play well we could make the playoff and have some Cap next year.

[exstatic]

Iguodala snaked his Denver team in the playoffs a few years back, and then, not surprisingly, signed with the Warriors a few weeks later. He was allegedly tipping the Denver plays to the Warriors. Forget the fact that he’s fucking done, I don’t want any of that shit in our locker room.

[Teamduncan21]

No, we're not either. Win now has a specific meaning.

We are not. Just looks more win now than heat. They are not doing it properly. They might even miss playoff. In east.

[cd021]

I can see Toronto, Chicago and even Charlotte or Knicks giving him a Hayward type deal.
Charlotte has only around $22 million in cap space, Chicago could but would they? Knicks definitely could but they are likely going to have a good pick so they might draft a player at DeMar's position.

Toronto is interesting, they might as well, with Giannis re-signing and them not being a destination. Probably not nearly as much as Hayward but similar money to what he's making now but over three years to keep their options open.

[cd021]

The Miami Heat (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/mia/miami-heat) owe their 2021 first to Oklahoma City and their 2023 first with three years of protections to the Thunder as well. Because of the Stepien rule and an uncertainty of when those picks can convey, the Heat also can't currently trade a first-rounder.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30743307/the-reasons-why-half-nba-trade-their-first-round-pick-right-now

Good find. So Miami's only pick asset is the 2027 2nd round pick.

[Dejounte]

What the fuck are the Thunder going to do with all those picks?

[cd021]

Iguodala snaked his Denver team in the playoffs a few years back, and then, not surprisingly, signed with the Warriors a few weeks later. He was allegedly tipping the Denver plays to the Warriors. Forget the fact that he’s fucking done, I don’t want any of that shit in our locker room.

He also used the Kings to leverage for a bigger offer elsewhere. They got pissed and pulled the offer. Still, he'd likely be waived in following a trade. Next season is a team option, So his shit shouldn't be an issue.

[cd021]

What the fuck are the Thunder going to do with all those picks?
Consolidate tbh. Trade 3 for 1 if they love a player high up in the lottery and let Presti work his magic

[Kurgan]

Nothing wrong with keeping the picks either. The more picks you have the higher the chance of drafting a franchise player.

[The Truth #6]

Relatively speaking, I have more confidence in Yak developing a mid range push shot then Drummond suddenly becoming a winning, productive basketball player that contributes to team success. My confidence is low for both those scenarios, to clarify, but I’d still rather roll with Yak then get involved with Drummond.

With the Spurs doing slightly better than expected, the chance of us doing a trade is LOW, unless a player revolts and wants to jump ship.

[exstatic]

Nothing wrong with keeping the picks either. The more picks you have the higher the chance of drafting a franchise player.

THe problem is, it could be up to 17 first rounders in 5 years, depending on how various other teams finish in various seasons. There’s only 15 NBA roster spots available in any season, and you must offer a first rounder a guaranteed NBA contract outlined in the CBA, or renounce their rights. They already have some prospects in the pipeline. Even if you manage to jam 15 first rounders on the roster, how do you develop #11-15? Those roster spots never play. You could send up to two of them down to the gleague, but that’s it.

You just can’t keep the picks.

[mo7888]

What the fuck are the Thunder going to do with all those picks?

They'll have to consolidate several of them either for moving up or for a young player they like. They may also end up trading a 1st for a first a year or two down the line to spread things out.

[KingKev]

THe problem is, it could be up to 17 first rounders in 5 years, depending on how various other teams finish in various seasons. There’s only 15 NBA roster spots available in any season, and you must offer a first rounder a guaranteed NBA contract outlined in the CBA, or renounce their rights. They already have some prospects in the pipeline. Even if you manage to jam 15 first rounders on the roster, how do you develop #11-15? Those roster spots never play. You could send up to two of them down to the gleague, but that’s it.

You just can’t keep the picks.

Fair points but also a good problem to have. Given how valuable first round picks have become i’m sure they will figure it out.

[The Truth #6]

Presti will likely find a way to put those picks to good use. However, disgruntled superstars looking to move to a contender on the coast likely won’t consider OKC at all. So moving up the lottery to try and get a very high pick seems like the most realistic use.

[TD 21]

Heat are in win now mode. Under my proposed deal they'll get gay and LMA, and lose Robinson as their only important piece. That would secure them with a great second unit. I agree with Kings and Magic. It's not happening.

Partially true. Riley always is to a certain extent and if he could, I don't doubt that he'd hesitate to package every notable young player/pick (sans Adebayo and possibly Robinson) for Beal or someone of that ilk.

Short of that, they're basically trying to do what the Spurs are, which is a soft re-build.

Whatever interest they might have in Aldridge and/or Gay, would more than likely be based on the notion of getting them for very little, as in no significant pieces.

[Sugus]

Miami is not in win now mode.

Miami is literally in win-now mode, though. As in, they don't even own their pick this season, win-now, lol. What? I'm curious on what you mean, you're not one to post without reason.

[cd98]

Spurs will only trade a vet for 1st round picks. But no one in win-now has any draft picks to trade. So highly unlikely anyone gets traded from the Spurs. If the Spurs don’t make the playoffs, they could buyout Gay or LMA to give them a shot to sign with a contender. But other than that, I see the Spurs keeping everyone and going all in with the current roster to make the playoffs.

[Maddog]

35 year old hobbled big man with a contract hard to match
Don't see the market, even for a win now team.
Gay, I can see some interest.

[Degoat]

Probably crazy to suggest but I wonder if the spurs were to look for any win now trades, even though I’m not really for that I think the spurs are one really good player away from being a contender

[Maddog]

THe problem is, it could be up to 17 first rounders in 5 years, depending on how various other teams finish in various seasons. There’s only 15 NBA roster spots available in any season, and you must offer a first rounder a guaranteed NBA contract outlined in the CBA, or renounce their rights. They already have some prospects in the pipeline. Even if you manage to jam 15 first rounders on the roster, how do you develop #11-15? Those roster spots never play. You could send up to two of them down to the gleague, but that’s it.

You just can’t keep the picks.

The other catch is it takes several years before you know what you have

[BacktoBasics]

Probably crazy to suggest but I wonder if the spurs were to look for any win now trades, even though I’m not really for that I think the spurs are one really good player away from being a contender

I actually agree that they’re one player away. Maybe not one player away from being a full blown contender but definitely one player away from being a relevant threat to knock a contender out of the playoffs.

The problem is that I don’t know who that one player would be that would also be available. I don’t think Collins gets them there. You’d have to give up too much. I don’t like the idea of paying him the max either. Outside of him I don’t see much out there.

[KingKev]

Spurs will only trade a vet for 1st round picks. But no one in win-now has any draft picks to trade. So highly unlikely anyone gets traded from the Spurs. If the Spurs don’t make the playoffs, they could buyout Gay or LMA to give them a shot to sign with a contender. But other than that, I see the Spurs keeping everyone and going all in with the current roster to make the playoffs.

not making the playoffs will comedown to the final days of the regular season and play-in so no buy outs are immenent

[cd98]

not making the playoffs will comedown to the final days of the regular season and play-in so no buy outs are immenent

I agree. I think we will have the same team finishing the season. But if the Spurs fall out of contention for some reason, then buyouts are possible.

No reason to trade LMA and take on more salary unless Spurs get a young player they really like or a first round draft pick. That’s why my money is on no trade. DDR has a small potential to be traded, but again why trade him for anything less than a first round pick? And no team that could use him has a first rounder to spare. And why trade Gay when he is contributing and you can’t get anything for value and you don’t want to take on any salary in a trade with a vet unless it’s a young talent the Spurs want and that is close to zero likelihood.

[DAF86]

Pat Riley will take Brian Wright to the back of the shed so any dealings with Miami naturally scare me.

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This is what that article is in reference to:

Also LMA + Rudy for ___

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Aldridge and Gay for Iguodala, Olynyk, Leonard, Achiuwa and a 1st round pick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Aldridge and Gay for Iguodala, Olynyk, Leonard, Achiuwa and a 1st round pick.

Miami, Detroit and a bunch of other teams can't trade first round picks.

[DAF86]

Miami, Detroit and a bunch of other teams can't trade first round picks.

Not even future ones? I guess I could go for Nunn instead of a 1st rounder.

[exstatic]

Not even future ones? I guess I could go for Nunn instead of a 1st rounder.

There are multiple teams in serious first round debt. In advance, you can only trade every other year, so a team wanting to swing for the fences would, for instance trade 2021,2023,2025, but that also precludes them from trading 2022 and 2024.

[buttsR4rebounding]

There are multiple teams in serious first round debt. In advance, you can only trade every other year, so a team wanting to swing for the fences would, for instance trade 2021,2023,2025, but that also precludes them from trading 2022 and 2024.

They can do pick swaps, however. That can be valuable from a poorly run team.

[cd021]

The only deal I can think of is Olynyk, Iggy, Leonard and Robinson for Gay and LMA. But eating Leonard's and Iggy contract for two years sucks. So perhaps moving Iggy to Dallas for James Johnson is an option. As for Leonard 🤷#♂️
Spurs can't make that deal, they can only take back one an additional player if they move both Aldridge and Gay. They'd have to make it a three team deal with them moving someone like Robinson for an asset that gets rerouted back to the Spurs in addition Miami's 2027 second (their only pick asset). Then post-trade. Spurs could waive Robinson and Iggy and keep Olynyk.

[cd021]

Aldridge and Gay for Iguodala, Olynyk, Leonard, Achiuwa and a 1st round pick.
Spurs can't trade 2 for 4 with only one additional roster spot, as well as Miami not having a first to trade.

Best bet would a three teamer with Miami sending one of their young guns out and rerouting the pick asset to the Spurs, as well as the Heat's 2027 2nd.

[tbdog]

Spurs can't make that deal, they can only take back one an additional player if they move both Aldridge and Gay. They'd have to make it a three team deal with them moving someone like Robinson for an asset that gets rerouted back to the Spurs in addition Miami's 2027 second (their only pick asset). Then post-trade. Spurs could waive Robinson and Iggy and keep Olynyk.

I am confused what you are trying to say here.

[cd021]

I am confused what you are trying to say here.

The Spurs can't trade Gay and Aldridge and take back Iggy, Leonard, Olynyk, and Robinson because the Spurs have only 14 roster spots and that would put us a 16 players. A trade could work it there's a 3rd team that can take one of the Heat's young players--Robinson-- for a draft pick that could be rerouted to the Spurs.

Also, Leonard and Iggy do have team options for next season so the Spurs aren't stuck with them.

[mo7888]

The Spurs can't trade Gay and Aldridge and take back Iggy, Leonard, Olynyk, and Robinson because the Spurs have only 14 roster spots and that would put us a 16 players. A trade could work it there's a 3rd team that can take one of the Heat's young players--Robinson-- for a draft pick that could be rerouted to the Spurs.

Also, Leonard and Iggy do have team options for next season so the Spurs aren't stuck with them.

They can do that deal if they waive Lyles to open up that needed roster spot.

[Chinook]

They can do that deal if they waive Lyles to open up that needed roster spot.

I mean Lyles or anyone else, but they wouldn't and shouldn't.

[DAF86]

Spurs can't trade 2 for 4 with only one additional roster spot, as well as Miami not having a first to trade.

Best bet would a three teamer with Miami sending one of their young guns out and rerouting the pick asset to the Spurs, as well as the Heat's 2027 2nd.

You can add filler players from the Spurs and Nunn instead of the 1st rounder.

[Chinook]

You can add filler players from the Spurs and Nunn instead of the 1st rounder.

The Spurs don't have filler for a trade this small, and Nunn just makes that issue worse while not being worth a first to SA in the first place.

[DAF86]

The Spurs don't have filler for a trade this small, and Nunn just makes that issue worse while not being worth a first to SA in the first place.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8gjtxrh

Done.

[GreekSpursfan]

Since we're not going anywhere this season i would trade someone to the Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie. Give our boy Sean some ammunition to beat the effing Lakers since they are the only team that could challenge them imo.

[cd021]

They can do that deal if they waive Lyles to open up that needed roster spot.

They actually like Trey, so probably not

[Chinook]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8gjtxrh

Done.

First, not done. KBD doesn't count as a contract on the books. You'd have to replace him with Jones, and at that point the Spurs probably aren't trying to dump guys they liked enough to sign to three-year deals just to make a convoluted trade work.

Also, this doesn't do anything for the fact that the Spurs probably don't want to sub out a first for Nunn.

[cd021]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8gjtxrh

Done.

Leonard, Robinson, Iggy, and Olynyk for Aldridge, Gay and KBJ works or sub out Robinson for Achiuwa and that 2027 Miami 2nd.

[k830713]

Olynyk, Achiuwa - Gay

[Chinook]

Leonard, Robinson, Iggy, and Olynyk for Aldridge, Gay and KBJ works

Well as discussed, that doesn't work, and I wouldn't do that anyway. One of LMA or Gay would be potentially worth moving to get Robinson's RFA rights. Not both, though. The Spurs want to try to win this year.

[Chinook]

Olynyk, Achiuwa - Gay

Works, but I can't imagine Miami would do this without SA sending back some legit asset Miami could use in another trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Leonard, Robinson, Iggy, and Olynyk for Aldridge, Gay and KBJ works or sub out Robinson for Achiuwa and that 2027 Miami 2nd.

KBD can't be traded unless he's signed to a contract. When he's signed the Spurs would have 15 players on the roster so still can't do this trade unless they waive someone. Moreover, this would put them above the luxury tax, which we all know is a huge no no.

[duncan2k5]

I mean Lyles or anyone else, but they wouldn't and shouldn't.
They shouldn't waive Lyles in order to get a first rounder?? GTFO!!

[mo7888]

I mean Lyles or anyone else, but they wouldn't and shouldn't.

If they determined the asset from Miami (in this highly unlikely scenario that was posited) they should...

[cd98]

Leonard, Robinson, Iggy, and Olynyk for Aldridge, Gay and KBJ works or sub out Robinson for Achiuwa and that 2027 Miami 2nd.

But that’s adding salary the Spurs don’t want for hardly any upgrade if any. Spurs are in salary shedding mode. Only take on multi year contracts if we get a draft pick. I do think the Spurs could get a GSW pick to shed salary in the offseason. They will need to cut salary to keep their talent.

[Chinook]

They shouldn't waive Lyles in order to get a first rounder?? GTFO!!

Dunks, act like somebody.

[exstatic]

Dunks, act like somebody.

Or, at least act like you read the thread. We’re not getting a first rounder fromMiami. They’re committed for the next five years, either traded, or not able to be traded.

[DAF86]

Well as discussed, that doesn't work, and I wouldn't do that anyway. One of LMA or Gay would be potentially worth moving to get Robinson's RFA rights. Not both, though. The Spurs want to try to win this year.

Win what? :lol

And in any case, if they want to win, they might be better off moving Aldridge anyways, tbh.

[KingKev]

This thread is painful. Only thing worse than BR speculation is a casual fan’s response to that hearsay.

[8sy21vd]

The East is so horrific (parity to be nice), small moves by teams could make a big difference. So the Spurs could really win big with teams thinking a move could put them in running to win the East. I like Derozan for Collins + salary because both teams fill a major need, get better this season and both players are on expiring deals.

Murray-White-Keldon-Collins-Poetl is a lot more balanced of a lineup and will force Pop to put more of a load on the Murray/White back court. That being said, I fully expect the Spurs to stand pat or get fleeced lol

[Dejounte]

The East is so horrific, small moves by teams could make a big difference. So the Spurs could really win big with teams thinking a move could put them in running to win the East. I like Derozan for Collins + salary because both teams fill a major need, get better this season and both players are on expiring deals.

Murray-White-Keldon-Collins-Poetl is a lot more balanced of a lineup and will force Pop to put more of a load on the Murray/White back court. That being said, I fully expect the Spurs to stand pat or get fleeced lol

The whole point of Atlanta possibly losing Collins is that they won't be able to afford improving their roster. Giving him up for DeMar lowers their ceiling even more AND handicaps them from improving. Makes no sense from Atlanta's side.

[8sy21vd]

Watched them some and think Demar would help them this season. Guess I'm grasping for straws though.

[Dejounte]

From the Hawks insider guy who I still don't know if he's reliable or not:

"Not be an idiot, but with the playoff race being so close in both conferences and the 9/10 playin game, couldn't this trade just end up being a mid 1st anyway.

I spoke to my guy about it and he said teams don't get the idea that Atlanta is just willing to give him away or trade him for anything less than big.

One of the teams interested in JC is Cleveland. Another team is our division rivals, Washington Wizards who still want to retain Beal. I just don't know, none of these teams are out as far as the playoffs are concerned.

He was told injuries did have a role in where Atlanta maybe going and they are still not convinced they have the right core that will win a title. It seems like we are willing to have one more year in the lottery due to injuries. Also, Rondo is being shopped as is Tony Snell.

I was told Atlanta is unwilling to move the other young players like Okongwu, Reddish, Huerter, Trae, Hunter and yes, Fernando. They aren't going to sale players short basically. "

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/432860-no-extension-for-john-collins/page/30/#comments

[Dejounte]

Rudy Gay smoke might be fire:

https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/sports/spurs-zone/heat-see-spurs-rudy-gay-as-a-potential-trade-target-reports-miami-herald?__twitter_impression=true

[KingKev]

Rudy Gay smoke might be fire:

https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/sports/spurs-zone/heat-see-spurs-rudy-gay-as-a-potential-trade-target-reports-miami-herald?__twitter_impression=true


doubt it. Gay is valuable of we make the playoffs and won’t fetch more than a second rounder or average player on longer term deal which would be silly for the Spurs. Pat Riley will eat our GMs lunch also so hopefully we don’t move Rudy unless packaged for a 1st.

[mo7888]

Rudy Gay smoke might be fire:

https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/sports/spurs-zone/heat-see-spurs-rudy-gay-as-a-potential-trade-target-reports-miami-herald?__twitter_impression=true

It's hard for me to see them giving up anything that would be worth it for us. Herro, Precious, or Robinson would be the only things they have we'd be interested in and I can't see them really giving any of those up.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see any way Rudy is traded.

[DesignatedT]

Who gives a shit about Rudy Gay lmao. Trade him. And Aldridge and DeRozan. Get 1sts and /or young talent while maintaining cap flexibility and see if you can somehow be a player in free agency even if it’s unlikely. This team isn’t going anywhere as constructed.

[KingKev]

Who gives a shit about Rudy Gay lmao. Trade him. And Aldridge and DeRozan. Get 1sts and /or young talent while maintaining cap flexibility and see if you can somehow be a player in free agency even if it’s unlikely. This team isn’t going anywhere as constructed.

Rudy and Aldridge have no value. They aren’t bringing back a first or a young player unless we take on a bad contract.

[Dejounte]

Just realized the Knicks own the Mavs first round pick this year and it's unprotected. They better start winning or they're fucked.

[LCM]

Just realized the Knicks own the Mavs first round pick this year and it's unprotected. They better start winning or they're fucked.

The Unicorn isn't equaling wins. Mavs banked that those picks to the Knicks would be high in the high 20s not the potential top 10. And now with the lottery odds the way they are, it would be hilarious if that pick becomes a top 3 and the Knicks get all the benefits.

[Dejounte]

The Nuggets have their own pick, have a trade exception, and are in need of bench scoring. They seem like a plausible trade partner to me.

Them, Atlanta, Boston, Hornets, Bulls, Warriors, Pacers. These are the teams I can see the Spurs trading with.

[Seventyniner]

The Nuggets have their own pick, have a trade exception, and are in need of bench scoring. They seem like a plausible trade partner to me.

Them, Atlanta, Boston, Hornets, Bulls, Warriors, Pacers. These are the teams I can see the Spurs trading with.

How big is Denver's trade exception?

[Dejounte]

How big is Denver's trade exception?

$9.5 mil

[Dejounte]

Not sure if you can add the 9.5 mil trade exception with another player's salary

If not, then maybe something like Walker for the TPE and their first round pick. Or add Lyles in there even though I don't think they'd be interested.

[Dejounte]

Ah, so you can't combine it:

"Trade exceptions cannot be combined and the Celtics can only absorb a player whose salary is equal to or lower than the individual exception. The exception also cannot be combined with a player's salary to take on a bigger contract. Boston can, however, use smaller chunks of each exception to sign multiple players and can send out additional players as part of any deal."

I see a lot of ways Boston could be our trade partner. They just have to cough up their pick. Maybe Gay + Mills for their TPE and first round pick.

[Mr. Body]

Ah, so you can't combine it:

"Trade exceptions cannot be combined and the Celtics can only absorb a player whose salary is equal to or lower than the individual exception. The exception also cannot be combined with a player's salary to take on a bigger contract. Boston can, however, use smaller chunks of each exception to sign multiple players and can send out additional players as part of any deal."

I see a lot of ways Boston could be our trade partner. They just have to cough up their pick. Maybe Gay + Mills for their TPE and first round pick.

Patty Mills is never getting traded.

[Dejounte]

Patty Mills is never getting traded.

Bro, I get it. You love Patty. "James Harden is never getting traded" is the last "Patty Mills is never getting traded" and look what happened. Did we all think TP would ever wear another team's uniform? What happened?

Your comment will be easy to bookmark the more you repeat it. Nothing is as certain as you think it is.

[Mr. Body]

Bro, I get it. You love Patty. "James Harden is never getting traded" is the last "Patty Mills is never getting traded" and look what happened. Did we all think TP would ever wear another team's uniform? What happened?

Your comment will be easy to bookmark the more you repeat it. Nothing is as certain as you think it is.

What does it have to do with whether I like a player or not? If you imagine Patty Mills will never get traded, you don't understand anything about the franchise you seem to think yourself as a fan.

[Dejounte]

What does it have to do with whether I like a player or not? If you imagine Patty Mills will never get traded, you don't understand anything about the franchise you seem to think yourself as a fan.

Again, did you envision TP ever playing for another franchise? Seems you're holding Patty to a higher esteem than Tony, which is freaking weird.

[Mr. Body]

Again, did you envision TP ever playing for another franchise? Seems you're holding Patty to a higher esteem than Tony, which is freaking weird.

Lol, what do those situations have in common. C'mon man, don't be a fucking idiot.

[Dejounte]

Lol, what do those situations have in common. C'mon man, don't be a fucking idiot.

Why the fuck do you think Patty has this organization by the balls? The only fucking idiot here is your dumbass. Only idiots talk in certainties. You can't predict the future, dumb fuck.

[mo7888]

The Nuggets have their own pick, have a trade exception, and are in need of bench scoring. They seem like a plausible trade partner to me.

Them, Atlanta, Boston, Hornets, Bulls, Warriors, Pacers. These are the teams I can see the Spurs trading with.

Maybe I'm crazy but, if NY covets DDR and thinks having his bird right give them an inside track to resigning him I could see them paying that mav pick plus filler for DDR + Lonnie.

Edited to add: I could see them offering their own 1st instead of the man's if Lonnie isn't in the deal.

[Mr. Body]

Why the fuck do you think Patty has this organization by the balls? The only fucking idiot here is your dumbass. Only idiots talk in certainties. You can't predict the future, dumb fuck.

You think the team is keeping him around out of loyalty, something owed to him? Lol. You have no fucking idea how this team works on a fundamental level.

[Dejounte]

You think the team is keeping him around out of loyalty, something owed to him? Lol. You have no fucking idea how this team works on a fundamental level.

And you're high on recency bias, ignoring his garbage play for the first few years of contract. You're overvaluing the fuck out of Mills just because he can score 3s in bunches. Stop talking to me as if you're some basketball guru. Newsflash dickwad: you're not.

[cjw]

Maybe I'm crazy but, if NY covets DDR and thinks having his bird right give them an inside track to resigning him I could see them paying that mav pick plus filler for DDR + Lonnie.

Edited to add: I could see them offering their own 1st instead of the man's if Lonnie isn't in the deal.

Knicks probably don’t need the bird rights unless they want to give him a fifth year or higher annual raises, because they’ll almost certainly have enough cap space to sign him. Don’t know if Demar would want to play there either. He’s a west coast guy and playing there involved an insane amount of pressure given how long suffering that fan base is.

Spurs should move Gay and Aldridge, especially if they feel comfortable that Saminic can eat minutes with the big team (have Lyles as well). It may limit the ceiling this year, but probably was the same with or without Aldridge/Gay (play-in or maybe the 6th seed at best, and almost certainly exiting in round 1).

I think they can get there without those two guys, and you make the move if you can get a first of any type without taking back long term salary. I don’t think they yield a first, and don’t want to throw in Walker with them just to get a first unless it’s a juicy first.

Demar is invaluable for some of the young guys’ development and I don’t think they make the top 10 without him. Spurs should absolutely want playoff experience for development.

[RC_Drunkford]

And you're high on recency bias, ignoring his garbage play for the first few years of contract. You're overvaluing the fuck out of Mills just because he can score 3s in bunches. Stop talking to me as if you're some basketball guru. Newsflash dickwad: you're not.

the problem is that Popovich overvalues Mills even more, which is why they won't trade him. He's likely to be resigned

[Dejounte]

the problem is that Popovich overvalues Mills even more, which is why they won't trade him. He's likely to be resigned

And I'm saying that's what they said about Bryn Forbes.

[mo7888]

Knicks probably don’t need the bird rights unless they want to give him a fifth year or higher annual raises, because they’ll almost certainly have enough cap space to sign him. Don’t know if Demar would want to play there either. He’s a west coast guy and playing there involved an insane amount of pressure given how long suffering that fan base is.

Spurs should move Gay and Aldridge, especially if they feel comfortable that Saminic can eat minutes with the big team (have Lyles as well). It may limit the ceiling this year, but probably was the same with or without Aldridge/Gay (play-in or maybe the 6th seed at best, and almost certainly exiting in round 1).

I think they can get there without those two guys, and you make the move if you can get a first of any type without taking back long term salary. I don’t think they yield a first, and don’t want to throw in Walker with them just to get a first unless it’s a juicy first.

Demar is invaluable for some of the young guys’ development and I don’t think they make the top 10 without him. Spurs should absolutely want playoff experience for development.

You may be right from our perspective (about wanting/needing ddr for playoff experience)... I think that's exactly why NY would want him too... I'm sure they'd have to have reassurances from his agent about resigning... I also don't see any room for him on the West Coast so even though he'd prefer it, it doesn't seem to be an option.

[Mr. Body]

Look, Mills may very well be traded at some point, but I doubt it. The franchise values him on the court, clearly, but what he provides off the court is completely invaluable to them.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think Rudy can garner a 1st and is the most tradable at this point. Scoring off the bench, good salary for a trade, shoots the 3, one of the best +|- per minute in the league. Plus, if it works out he likely is open to resigning a reasonable contract. That seems exactly what teams will look for to make a final push. Ideally LA fills his role.

[Seventyniner]

Ah, so you can't combine it:

"Trade exceptions cannot be combined and the Celtics can only absorb a player whose salary is equal to or lower than the individual exception. The exception also cannot be combined with a player's salary to take on a bigger contract. Boston can, however, use smaller chunks of each exception to sign multiple players and can send out additional players as part of any deal."

I see a lot of ways Boston could be our trade partner. They just have to cough up their pick. Maybe Gay + Mills for their TPE and first round pick.

I saw somewhere that BOS is hard capped due to the apron and can't take back more than about $19M in salaries. That effectively limits the TPE to $19M so they could absorb Gay or Mills but not both.

It's too bad that DEN's TPE isn't enough to take on Gay's salary. They seem to be a bit thin at 4/5 outside of Jokic and might be panicking a bit at their slower-than-expected start. But their most tradable salaries, from the Spurs' perspective, are Millsap and Green (both PF/Cs like Gay).

[Dverde]

I think Rudy can garner a 1st and is the most tradable at this point. Scoring off the bench, good salary for a trade, shoots the 3, one of the best +|- per minute in the league. Plus, if it works out he likely is open to resigning a reasonable contract. That seems exactly what teams will look for to make a final push. Ideally LA fills his role.

I could see Celtics going after him if their top options fail. I don’t see the Spurs trading if in the playoff hunt.

[CGD]

Gay for Olynk + KZ Okpala

Get a look at a young 3/D guy with some actual size and potential upside.

[CGD]

LMA to Bos is screaming to happen. I suspect Spurs would want one of Langford, Nesmith, or a future pick.

[KingKev]

LMA to Bos is screaming to happen. I suspect Spurs would want one of Langford, Nesmith, or a future pick.

Celtics are way more than a piece away from contention and Aldridge/Gay will not move the needle. Ainge knows this season is lost, doubt he parts with anything of value. Meanwhile Spurs have inflated hopes with recent playoff contention and will not be making longer term moves at the cost of this season. LMA gets bought out “for the culture” before we trade him and concede we are building towards the future.

[BacktoBasics]

Celtics are way more than a piece away from contention and Aldridge/Gay will not move the needle. Ainge knows this season is lost, doubt he parts with anything of value. Meanwhile Spurs have inflated hopes with recent playoff contention and will not be making longer term moves at the cost of this season. LMA gets bought out “for the culture” before we trade him and concede we are building towards the future.
He’s considered a starter. A buyout wouldn’t be looked at over simply retaining him to finish the season.

[cd021]

The Nuggets have their own pick, have a trade exception, and are in need of bench scoring. They seem like a plausible trade partner to me.

Them, Atlanta, Boston, Hornets, Bulls, Warriors, Pacers. These are the teams I can see the Spurs trading with.
Harris and 1st for Gay and Lyles? Would cost the Spurs cap but isn't Harris supposed to be a good defender. He's underperformed but maybe could play better for the Spurs.

That or, Barton and a first for Gay. They get off of Barton's $14 million for next season while the Spurs get a late first for swapping Gay.

[cd021]

LMA to Bos is screaming to happen. I suspect Spurs would want one of Langford, Nesmith, or a future pick.

Nate Duncan said that Andre Drummond is likely to be waived if they can't find a trade for him. I could see Aldridge getting the same treatment.

I have wondered about Mills + Gay for Langford, Ojele, and their 2021 first, instead though.

[cd021]

Celtics are way more than a piece away from contention and Aldridge/Gay will not move the needle. Ainge knows this season is lost, doubt he parts with anything of value. Meanwhile Spurs have inflated hopes with recent playoff contention and will not be making longer term moves at the cost of this season. LMA gets bought out “for the culture” before we trade him and concede we are building towards the future.

I absolutely think that's a possibility. Aldridge and the Spurs mutually agree to part ways, Aldridge signs with a contender while the Spurs continue on with Poeltl starting-- that's probably a win-win at this point with how well they've played with him instead of LaMarcus.

[KingKev]

He’s considered a started. A buyout wouldn’t be looked at over simply retaining him to finish the season.

Disagree. If LMA makes any stink about losing his starter role he will ask for a buyout and we will accommodate because PATFO have taken Spurs culture too far. They do nice by everyone but their own franchise. We just finished paying Gasol and are still paying Demarre Carrol.

[BacktoBasics]

Disagree. If LMA makes any stink about losing his starter role he will ask for a buyout and we will accommodate because PATFO have taken Spurs culture too far. They do nice by everyone but their own franchise. We just finished paying Gasol and are still paying Demarre Carrol.

Neither was an impactful starter. The Gasol deal was basically compensation for an opt out. I don’t like it but I get it.

Carrol was fallout from that piece of shit Morris disaster.

Those aren’t really good examples of why SA would buy out LA.

[KingKev]

Neither was an impactful starter. The Gasol deal was basically compensation for an opt out. I don’t like it but I get it.

Carrol was fallout from that piece of shit Morris disaster.

Those aren’t really good examples of why SA would buy out LA.

LMA is impactful as a starter; in an entirely negative way. We have precedence in accommodating over paid players who have contributed little to winning during their tenure. It is the cost of being a small market team. LMA is almost as useless as Pau was in his last season.

[BacktoBasics]

LMA is impactful as a starter; in an entirely negative way. We have precedence in accommodating over paid players who have contributed little to winning during their tenure. It is the cost of being a small market team. LMA is almost as useless as Pau was in his last season.

As usual with this place that is a gross exaggeration. I’d definitely agree that poodle is clearly a better option but this isn’t about how we feel about LA. It’s how the FO perceives his value and we know that they see him as way more valuable than the examples of buyouts you listed. If they’re going to stand pat and hunt for a playoff birth there is no chance he gets bought out. They’ll ride that all the way out to the 10th spot if need be and it’s clear that this team is well within the top 10 in the West.

He’s not gonna be bought out. There is no value short or long term with that move. Even if you got 8 and 6 out of him that would be more valuable than any money you’d save on a buyout.

Simple answer: If he’s decent enough to get showcased looking for a trade he’s decent enough to be utilized for a playoff push.

[KingKev]

As usual with this place that is a gross exaggeration. I’d definitely agree that poodle is clearly a better option but this isn’t about how we feel about LA. It’s how the FO perceives his value and we know that they see him as way more valuable than the examples of buyouts you listed. If they’re going to stand pat and hunt for a playoff birth there is no chance he gets bought out. They’ll ride that all the way out to the 10th spot if need be and it’s clear that this team is well within the top 10 in the West.

He’s not gonna be bought out. There is no value short or long term with that move. Even if you got 8 and 6 out of him that would be more valuable than any money you’d save on a buyout.

Simple answer: If he’s decent enough to get showcased looking for a trade he’s decent enough to be utilized for a playoff push.

My argument was that we will not trade him given we are in the playoff hunt but knowing his personality if he goes to the bench he is likely to requests a buyout we will accommodate. Lol feel sorry for the suckers who pay you as “a life coach”

[BacktoBasics]

My argument was that we will not trade him given we are in the playoff hunt but knowing his personality if he goes to the bench he is likely to requests a buyout we will accommodate. Lol feel sorry for the suckers who pay you as “a life coach”
Ohhh no I’m so insulted.

Nice backpeddle.

[KingKev]

Ohhh no I’m so insulted.

Nice backpeddle.

I don’t have a problem with LMA in a backup role, that’s a formidable guy to have playing 20 minutes (maybe more depending on matchups) I just don’t see him accepting that given his track record as a me first Spur. Precedence tells us when guys like him complain we ship them out quickly via trade (he has no value) or arrange a buyout and cut our losses to communicate to the rest of the league how we operate. We should have dumped him when he originally asked to be traded but Pop of all ppl bowed down and took the blame.

[mo7888]

Shams- Cousins and Houston to part ways. Houston gets to go younger and Cousins gets to seek an opportunity elsewhere.

[Dejounte]

Shams- Cousins and Houston to part ways. Houston gets to go younger and Cousins gets to seek an opportunity elsewhere.

Rockets gonna Rockets.

In before someone suggests Cousins would be good for this team. Lol no, just no.

[Bavarianworks818]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yckhuphr

Championship.

[mo7888]

Rockets gonna Rockets.

In before someone suggests Cousins would be good for this team. Lol no, just no.

Yea, not for us with LMA still on tbe roster but, there's apparently interest from quite a few FO's. Boston or Toronto could certainly use him... both LA teams as well I'd think.

[B1gduff]

I don't see us making any trades, it seem like we are going to fight for that 4-7th seat. Most importantly the team is improving as unit

[NASpurs]

Rockets gonna Rockets.

In before someone suggests Cousins would be good for this team. Lol no, just no.

:lol I had a premonition or something a few days ago of that dude in a Spurs jersey and I nearly threw up. Aren’t there players on our team that are really close with Boogie? I can totally see it especially if the Spurs are being hush of LMA’s situation.

[Seventyniner]

Cousins would fill a positional need (assuming LMA is just plain gone) but I can't seem him not being the walking locker room chemistry disaster he has generally been.

[Robz4000]

Cousins is going to the Lakers tbh.

[Maddog]

Looking at the Spurs roster there are only two players that are potentially movable and desirable.
LMA is neither. The size of his contract limits any interst.
Mills and Gay. Neither is going to fetch much as far as "assets goes".
Both could benefit a true contender

As far as LMA goes, I think it's 50/50 he gets bought out

[Ice009]

I wanted Cousins a few years ago (before he joined the Warriors), not sure if I'd want him now, though. How was he playing this year?

[tonight...you]

Cousins is going to the Lakers tbh.
Again? You'd think they'd have learned the 1st time.

[Robz4000]

Again? You'd think they'd have learned the 1st time.

Now they actually lack centers tbh.

[tonight...you]

Now they actually lack centers tbh.
They'd still lack centers with him, but that's their choice.

[tbdog]

I wanted Cousins a few years ago (before he joined the Warriors), not sure if I'd want him now, though. How was he playing this year?

Remember when he was a scoring monster. He now shoots at 37% under 10ppg.

[XDT76]

Cousins is going to the Lakers tbh.

This is my first thought once I saw the news of Cousins and Rockets parting. It's probably to fill in for Davis until he comes back.

[CGD]

How much sweetener does Detroit need to add to do a Blake Griffin for Gay/LMA swap? A pick, two?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How much sweetener does Detroit need to add to do a Blake Griffin for Gay/LMA swap? A pick, two?

They’re one of many teams that can’t trade first round picks.

They could offer some of their young guys but doubt anyone bites.

[cd98]

Cousins to Nets.

[Dejounte]

Cousins to Nets.

Pure comedy after he criticized Harden.

[cd021]

They’re one of many teams that can’t trade first round picks.

They could offer some of their young guys but doubt anyone bites.

Yeah, getting off almost $40 million next season would require at least one prospect (Hayes and/ or Sekou) and them taking back other bad salary.

I think they'll just waive him and eat his money, or buy him out, with the hopes that Blake is willing to give a decent amount back just to be done with Detroit.

[Robz4000]

:lol Cousins has matured my ass

[tonight...you]

Pure comedy after he criticized Harden.
So true. He'll probably go all "water under the bridge" and go from there, here on out.

[Mr. Body]

Cousins to Nets.

I'd take Nets over Lakers if they meet at this point. Nets are seriously flawed on defense, but Lakers are thin and require too much from barely adequate role players.

[CGD]

They’re one of many teams that can’t trade first round picks.

They could offer some of their young guys but doubt anyone bites.

Like ANY picks or just this year? Can they trade 22?

Griffins contract + young prospect + 22/23 pick would be appetizing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Like ANY picks or just this year? Can they trade 22?

Griffins contract + young prospect + 22/23 pick would be appetizing.

Nope, none right now, because they put restrictions all the way to 2027 on the pick they owe Houston, thus until their obligation is completed they can't trade 1st round picks (within the allowed 7 year limit).

[TD 21]

I'd take Nets over Lakers if they meet at this point. Nets are seriously flawed on defense, but Lakers are thin and require too much from barely adequate role players.

Unfortunately, it's all lining up perfectly for Scumbag again. The other contenders are all flawed and he once again has the most complete team in the league, replete with what's probably unmatched motivation considering their historical collapse last season.

The Lakers need James to scale back when Schroder returns (media has already decided MVP is a wrap because bigs are treated like second class citizens in this league) and for Davis to regain MVP form when he returns.

The Nets need to attempt to shore up their lack of defense/rebounding/size on the trade/buyout market.

At least those are conceivable though. The Bucks might be able to address their myriad defensive liabilities on the trade/buyout market, but not their lack of "closer" and the Jazz might be able to address their need for a big wing defender, but not their lack of superstar.

[Mr. Body]

Unfortunately, it's all lining up perfectly for Scumbag again. The other contenders are all flawed and he once again has the most complete team in the league, replete with what's probably unmatched motivation considering their historical collapse last season.

The Lakers need James to scale back when Schroder returns (media has already decided MVP is a wrap because bigs are treated like second class citizens in this league) and for Davis to regain MVP form when he returns.

The Nets need to attempt to shore up their lack of defense/rebounding/size on the trade/buyout market.

At least those are conceivable though. The Bucks might be able to address their myriad defensive liabilities on the trade/buyout market, but not their lack of "closer" and the Jazz might be able to address their need for a big wing defender, but not their lack of superstar.

I'm not sure who is scumbag in your reference. There are so many.

I do agree LeBron has whined his way to another MVP, no matter what -- although Jokic deserves it more. Lakers' great advantage is that the league is so flat right now, no great teams, and their own among them. I do think I'll take the Nets over them right now. They already showed they cannot slow the Nets down -- I realize AD was out, but so was Durant. The Lakers have good defense, but they wind up having to depend on bad players making key plays.

[TD 21]

I'm not sure who is scumbag in your reference. There are so many.

I do agree LeBron has whined his way to another MVP, no matter what -- although Jokic deserves it more. Lakers' great advantage is that the league is so flat right now, no great teams, and their own among them. I do think I'll take the Nets over them right now. They already showed they cannot slow the Nets down -- I realize AD was out, but so was Durant. The Lakers have good defense, but they wind up having to depend on bad players making key plays.

I'll give you a hint: He used to play here.

Generally speaking, I wouldn't base things off of one random regular season game, with key players missing no less. But yeah, the only ones who can slow down a healthy Nets offense is themselves, if they let ego or indecision get in the way. In terms of most likely to win it, I'd rank them . . .

Tier 1: Clippers
Tier 2: Lakers, Nets
Tier 3: Bucks, Jazz

[Mr. Body]

I'll give you a hint: He used to play here.

Generally speaking, I wouldn't base things off of one random regular season game, with key players missing no less. But yeah, the only ones who can slow down a healthy Nets offense is themselves, if they let ego or indecision get in the way. In terms of most likely to win it, I'd rank them . . .

Tier 1: Clippers
Tier 2: Lakers, Nets
Tier 3: Bucks, Jazz

Yeah, I keep discounting the Clippers. I won't believe it until I see it. I place the Jazz above anyone in the West right now and the Bucks don't factor at all.

[CGD]

Nope, none right now, because they put restrictions all the way to 2027 on the pick they owe Houston, thus until their obligation is completed they can't trade 1st round picks (within the allowed 7 year limit).

Yikes. What a dumb way to encumber your ability to make moves if you’re DET. No idea what they have in terms of prospects, but their draft record doesn’t inspire confidence that their recent picks are any good.

[Dverde]

Boogie signed with the Rockets to play with Harden. Not surprised he went there. I always assumed LMA would get a buy out and sign with the Nets. I doubt it will happen now. Maybe the Bucks or Heat now.

[GreekSpursfan]

Boogie signed with the Rockets to play with Harden. Not surprised he went there. I always assumed LMA would get a buy out and sign with the Nets. I doubt it will happen now. Maybe the Bucks or Heat now.

The Heat maybe but the Bucks need a center that can actually play defense and LMA isn't that.

[Dejounte]

Cousins to Nets.

Bruh you made that sound like it was official. Fuck you :lmao

[Degoat]

No chance it happens imo but I saw a rumor that the heat want to pursue Demar Derozan, deal was supposedly Demar for Duncan Robinson & Precious Achiwua

[Dejounte]

No chance it happens imo but I saw a rumor that the heat want to pursue Demar Derozan, deal was supposedly Demar for Duncan Robinson & Precious Achiwua

Source?

[Dejounte]

No chance it happens imo but I saw a rumor that the heat want to pursue Demar Derozan, deal was supposedly Demar for Duncan Robinson & Precious Achiwua

That trade actually makes a lot of sense... The Spurs have a lot of cap room, they could use some of that to pay Robinson since the Heat might not want to.

[cd021]

No chance it happens imo but I saw a rumor that the heat want to pursue Demar Derozan, deal was supposedly Demar for Duncan Robinson & Precious Achiwua

That's not possible as a trade. They'd need to move Dragic too but even then the Spurs can't take back three for one.

[mo7888]

That's not possible as a trade. They'd need to move Dragic too but even then the Spurs can't take back three for one.

Olynyk/ Leonard and iggy could be filler

[Dejounte]

PG: Murray/ Mills/ Tre
SG: White/ Lonnie/ Q
SF: Keldon/ Vassell/ KBD
PF: Robinson/ Gay/ Luka/ Lyles
C: Poeltl/ Achiuwa/ Eubanks

I fucking love it!

[cd021]

Olynyk/ Leonard and iggy could be filler
That would be 3 or 4 for 1 then. Spurs would have 18 or 19 total players on roster.

[Dejounte]

That would be 3 or 4 for 1 then. Spurs would have 18 or 19 total players on roster.

Waive Iggy, KBD, Q
Trade Aldridge for Boston's exception

[cd021]

I'd doubt that the Spurs trade DeMar but if the Heat were offering both Robinson and Achiuwa then that might be enough to get them to the table.

Problem is that strict salary and roster limits complicate a trade. Dragic, Robinson and Achiuwa for DeRozan works financially but wouldn't work because of roster limits.

[cd021]

Waive Iggy, KBD, Q
Trade Aldridge for Boston's exception

KBD and Q are both two-ways, not actually on the NBA roster. How would the Spurs waive Iggy if he would be apart of a potential deal? It would have to be Dragic to make the money work and the Spurs would likely have to waive Lyles, a player that they like.

I believe the Spurs would also have to take back a player in a Aldridge to Boston trade because they're hard-capped and they can't absorb his $27 million salary, post trade kicker.

[Dejounte]

KBD and Q are both two-ways, not actually on the NBA roster. How would the Spurs waive Iggy if he would be apart of a potential deal? It would have to be Dragic to make the money work and the Spurs would likely have to waive Lyles, a player that they like.

I believe the Spurs would also have to take back a player in a Aldridge to Boston trade because they're hard-capped and they can't absorb his $27 million salary, post trade kicker.

The Spurs like Lyles? News to me...

[cd021]

The Spurs like Lyles? News to me...
Pop has praised him several times, just cutting him seems unlikely, especially if their planning to move on from Aldridge--probably waiving him at this point. Spurs wouldn't waive Aldridge, however, until after the deadline which wouldn't help in regards to the rumored trade.

The rumored Heat deal can't happen unless the Spurs waive a player or ship a player back. If they ship a player like Lyles back, then it is likely going to mean that the trade won't work financially.

[CGD]

I'd doubt that the Spurs trade DeMar but if the Heat were offering both Robinson and Achiuwa then that might be enough to get them to the table.

Problem is that strict salary and roster limits complicate a trade. Dragic, Robinson and Achiuwa for DeRozan works financially but wouldn't work because of roster limits.

I don’t see the roster concern as a big obstacle. Just make the trade slightly bigger:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7g8b8n

It’d be a good haul for DDR honestly.

[Ice009]

Pure comedy after he criticized Harden.

Wow. I forgot about that tirade of his where he criticized Harden at the start of the season. Yeah, this guy is still the same guy he was all along. Unbelievable. What a joke of a person and also joke of a league this is these days.

Edit : Just read the Miami trade proposal. Can't you waive players after a trade, or does it have to be done before a trade? How does the roster limit work for trades?

[mo7888]

That would be 3 or 4 for 1 then. Spurs would have 18 or 19 total players on roster.

It would be 4 for 2 (probably have to include Eubanks to make it work) and waive Lyles...

[Dejounte]

I don’t see the roster concern as a big obstacle. Just make the trade slightly bigger:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7g8b8n

It’d be a good haul for DDR honestly.

I don't see Dragic being let go. Isn't he a fan favorite and doesn't he have a good relationship with Jimmy?

[Seventyniner]

KBD and Q are both two-ways, not actually on the NBA roster. How would the Spurs waive Iggy if he would be apart of a potential deal? It would have to be Dragic to make the money work and the Spurs would likely have to waive Lyles, a player that they like.

I believe the Spurs would also have to take back a player in a Aldridge to Boston trade because they're hard-capped and they can't absorb his $27 million salary, post trade kicker.

I believe Boston is $19M or so below the apron and that they can send back $8M or more in salary in the trade and absorb LMA's $27M into the TPE anyway. Maybe Tristan Thompson, who is owed $9.7M next season, plus an asset to make up for having to eat Thompson's salary next year, as well as the fact that Aldridge should be an upgrade over Thompson (otherwise why would Boston trade for him?).

[CGD]

I don't see Dragic being let go. Isn't he a fan favorite and doesn't he have a good relationship with Jimmy?

I’m agnostic on the Who, just pulled one of their big contracts. Still works if you replace Dragic with Olynk.

[RC_Drunkford]

Word is if Flake Griffin gets bought out he‘ll join the Lakers

[Ice009]

Word is if Flake Griffin gets bought out he‘ll join the Lakers

Yep, another move I'd expect from someone like him, Cousins etc. I guess he wouldn't want to play for the Clippers again, and he probably wants to go back to LA to live there, so the Lakers are the logical choice.

[Dejounte]

Other RFA trade candidates:

Kyle Kuzma
Marvin Bagley
Michael Porter Jr
Wendell Carter Jr
Robert Williams

[Mr. Body]

I like Robert Williams, although there must be a story why he doesn't get more time.

[Chinook]

Wow. I forgot about that tirade of his where he criticized Harden at the start of the season. Yeah, this guy is still the same guy he was all along. Unbelievable. What a joke of a person and also joke of a league this is these days.

Edit : Just read the Miami trade proposal. Can't you waive players after a trade, or does it have to be done before a trade? How does the roster limit work for trades?

During the season, you can never go beyond 15 players on your regular roster except in extreme cases where you need an exemption because too many people are out. So the Spurs can't do a 4-for-2 trade and then waive one of the four guys they get, because they'd have to be able to go up to 16 players for that short time. SA would have to include or waive one of their players. I think you could easily make the case for Eubanks being waived if Achiuwa and Olynk are also coming back. But they don't have the dead contracts on their team this year to just get rid of guys if the return isn't enough.

I think Robinson and Achiuwa would be borderline good enough if it were just one of LMA or DMDR going out. I think if both are going out, then they aren't getting enough value to also throw away millions more. Miami would have to be willing to eat Lyles or somehow pay a third team to take him.

[exstatic]

Wow. I forgot about that tirade of his where he criticized Harden at the start of the season. Yeah, this guy is still the same guy he was all along. Unbelievable. What a joke of a person and also joke of a league this is these days.

Edit : Just read the Miami trade proposal. Can't you waive players after a trade, or does it have to be done before a trade? How does the roster limit work for trades?

The trade has to be able to happen within foster constraints. You can’t overload your roster, and THEN do cuts. Spurs cannot take back more than one player more than they send out.

[exstatic]

Wow. I forgot about that tirade of his where he criticized Harden at the start of the season. Yeah, this guy is still the same guy he was all along. Unbelievable. What a joke of a person and also joke of a league this is these days.

Edit : Just read the Miami trade proposal. Can't you waive players after a trade, or does it have to be done before a trade? How does the roster limit work for trades?

The trade has to be able to happen within roster constraints. You can’t overload your roster, and THEN do cuts. Spurs cannot take back more than one player more than they send out.

[exstatic]

I don’t like Duncan Robinson. He’s just a super big version of Forbes, a great shooter that you have to completely hide on defense. They were lucky to be able to do that in the bubble, but it looks like he turned back into a pumpkin.

[Dejounte]

I don’t like Duncan Robinson. He’s just a super big version of Forbes, a great shooter that you have to completely hide on defense. They were lucky to be able to do that in the bubble, but it looks like he turned back into a pumpkin.

Well, it depends how much you extend Duncan for. I think something like $13 mil per year is acceptable. Keep in mind we're also getting back Precious in this deal. He would fit great.

[Chinook]

I don’t like Duncan Robinson. He’s just a super big version of Forbes, a great shooter that you have to completely hide on defense. They were lucky to be able to do that in the bubble, but it looks like he turned back into a pumpkin.

Spo is probably the best-performing coach in the NBA over the last few years. Guys in his system often overperform and get overvalued. For a while, the team fell for it themselves and gave big deals to guys like Waiters and James Johnson. They've gotten better at leveraging the bubbles they make for guys and moving them for value like with Winslow and Richardson. Guys like Robinson and Nunn (and to a lesser extent Herro (and to an even lesser but still real extent Adebayo)) are currently enjoying that boom. I don't have a problem with SA investing in a glass cannon to go with their stout defensive starters. I'd consider that an okay return for Gay or maybe even LMA at this point. But yeah, I'm not inclined to take him for DeRozan unless Achiuwa is added in.

[exstatic]

Well, it depends how much you extend Duncan for. I think something like $13 mil per year is acceptable. Keep in mind we're also getting back Precious in this deal. He would fit great.

Precious, fine. Robinson, to make the deal work, fine. No extension, though. Do. Not. Want.

Is everyone forgetting having to cover for Forbes and Marco? Doing that now would make our defense MUCH less aggressive. It’s the nature of the beast. Watching out for Duncan Robinson means not seeing that pass you can pick off. If DJ is concerned about DR getting beat, back door, he isn’t going for those poke steals. DR is the same Devil’s bargain as Forbes, and it doesn’t work. That’s been proven over multiple seasons. We don’t need shooting that badly.

[Chinook]

Precious, fine. Robinson, to make the deal work, fine. No extension, though. Do. Not. Want.

Is everyone forgetting having to cover for Forbes and Marco? Doing that now would make our defense MUCH less aggressive. It’s the nature of the beast. Watching out for Duncan Robinson means not seeing that pass you can pick off. If DJ is concerned about DR getting beat, back door, he isn’t going for those poke steals. DR is the same Devil’s bargain as Forbes, and it doesn’t work. That’s been proven over multiple seasons. We don’t need shooting that badly.

Eh, the issue with Forbes is that he's too small to be hideable. Like he couldn't stay with guards, but he definitely couldn't check forwards or bigs. Robinson has forward size. You could hide him on any player. Just by virtue of not being tiny, Robinson has posted better defensive metrics Forbes has. Robinson is much closer to a DeRozan-level liability than a Forbes.

[FutureMan]

Spurs have a 10 man rotation as it is. IF they make a trade they shouldn’t be trading their best player for more role players. The question is what trade combination of 2-3 Spurs players/picks (besides DeRozan) gets them a potential or current star.

[cd021]

I don’t see the roster concern as a big obstacle. Just make the trade slightly bigger:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7g8b8n

It’d be a good haul for DDR honestly.

That trade works though I would think that Miami would rather have Dragic instead of Iggy given that his role likely gets diminished with DeRozan on the team.

DeRozan, Lyle's, Eubanks for Iguadala, Olynyk, Robinson, and Achiuwa.

[CGD]

I don’t like Duncan Robinson. He’s just a super big version of Forbes, a great shooter that you have to completely hide on defense. They were lucky to be able to do that in the bubble, but it looks like he turned back into a pumpkin.

I’m also lukewarm on Duncan. Feels like another Tyler Johnson overpay situation in the making. I’d prefer to take a look at KZ Okpala who is cost controlled for one more year and has the profile of a good 3/D guy. Miami also keeps signaling on Nunn; I want nothing to do with that.

[Truckules]

Precious, fine. Robinson, to make the deal work, fine. No extension, though. Do. Not. Want.

Is everyone forgetting having to cover for Forbes and Marco? Doing that now would make our defense MUCH less aggressive. It’s the nature of the beast. Watching out for Duncan Robinson means not seeing that pass you can pick off. If DJ is concerned about DR getting beat, back door, he isn’t going for those poke steals. DR is the same Devil’s bargain as Forbes, and it doesn’t work. That’s been proven over multiple seasons. We don’t need shooting that badly.

You can't compare Robinson and Forbes. Robinson is a below average defender, maybe slightly worse than Bertans was. Forbes has an argument for being the worst defender in the NBA.

I don't like this proposed deal for another reason which is that it makes us weaker at the 4 when that's the position we need help at the most. Olynyk and Achiuwa are both more suited to the 5 and Robinson is a 2 or 3.

[mo7888]

I haven't watched Precious much admittedly but, I was under the impression leading up to the draft that he could guard 4's and some 3's in space. Is he not showing that ability now?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I haven't watched Precious much admittedly but, I was under the impression leading up to the draft that he could guard 4's and some 3's in space. Is he not showing that ability now?

He's an undersized center at this point. Think M. Harrell with better defense as his ceiling.

[KingKev]

If we have intentions of resigning DDR this offseason i’d love to shop Walker IV for Mo Bamba. He is buried on the Magic bench, had some bad luck with injuries/covid but his age and physical attributes alone are worth a flier with the hope a change in scenery could go along way.

[Sugus]

Well, it depends how much you extend Duncan for. I think something like $13 mil per year is acceptable. Keep in mind we're also getting back Precious in this deal. He would fit great.

Any deal landing us Precious is a go in my book, tbh. I'm still really intrigued by his potential and, at worst, he's much-needed front court depth at an inexpensive rookie deal for a couple more years still.

[rjv]

i was just telling my son the other day that duncan robinson seems to have regressed to the mean. i'd pass.

[TD 21]

The Heat aren't trading Robinson and Achiuwa for DeRozan, when they could sign him outright in the off season if they wanted. I doubt they will though, considering Butler has also basically given up shootnig 3s, making them an untenable duo.

Word has been for a while that Oladipo wants to sign with them and despite his sporadic play/health, he'd be a better fit.

[CGD]

The Heat aren't trading Robinson and Achiuwa for DeRozan, when they could sign him outright in the off season if they wanted. I doubt they will though, considering Butler has also basically given up shootnig 3s, making them an untenable duo.

Word has been for a while that Oladipo wants to sign with them and despite his sporadic play/health, he'd be a better fit.

Can the Heat sign him out right this summer? I think they may have some cap hold issues forcing to operate above the cap. There is value in them trading for DDR now...

[CGD]

i was just telling my son the other day that duncan robinson seems to have regressed to the mean. i'd pass.

Agree. I’d rather have a look at KZ Okpala

[NASpurs]

"The team is also expected to make a "significant offer" for John Collins should he make it to restricted free agency."

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[KingKev]

"The team is also expected to make a "significant offer" for John Collins should he make it to restricted free agency."

1364096048919060481

Mavs will have to create another 20mm or so in capspace so go after Collins. Move KP for picks or dump Powell and Richardson.

[KingKev]

Can the Heat sign him out right this summer? I think they may have some cap hold issues forcing to operate above the cap. There is value in them trading for DDR now...

yes they can clear about 30mm in cap space if they don’t pick up Dragic, Iggy, Leonard and Bradley’s team options.

[CGD]

Mavs will have to create another 20mm or so in capspace so go after Collins. Move KP for picks or dump Powell and Richardson.

Boston TPE? May work for both sides...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/status/1363968765944344577?s=19

[exstatic]

Boston TPE? May work for both sides...

As big as that TE is, I don’t think it’s big enough to contain his $29M+ contract. Boston is also an apron team, and can’t fill the whole thing. I think they would have to send back like $6 or 7M, or take that much less.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1364268393721982985

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[rjv]

i know a lot of ST is high on collins but i am not convinced he merits that much of a salary; he's very athletic and a good rim protector and finisher but i am still quite suspect of his offensive game. it's not that i wouldn't want collins. i'm just not sure that i would want him at the price i've been hearing he will be asking for.

[KingKev]

i know a lot of ST is high on collins but i am not convinced he merits that much of a salary; he's very athletic and a good rim protector and finisher but i am still quite suspect of his offensive game. it's not that i wouldn't want collins. i'm just not sure that i would want him at the price i've been hearing he will be asking for.

I somewhat agree but the alternative may be paying our current vets. All this cap space and few targets worries me given PATFOs free agency moves the last 5 years so i’d rather over pay for a young player who checks alot of boxes for us.

[rankingtear]

i know a lot of ST is high on collins but i am not convinced he merits that much of a salary; he's very athletic and a good rim protector and finisher but i am still quite suspect of his offensive game. it's not that i wouldn't want collins. i'm just not sure that i would want him at the price i've been hearing he will be asking for.

ATL is losing at lineups where Collins play center. The only pure finisher making max money are Gobert and Thompson. I don't think he is a max player, he is a one position player who can't create his own shot. You really can't play him a lot of minutes and optimize your lineups. He is in the same boat as Markannen and Bagley, they need to play some center but they lack rim protection. Can you justify playing your max player 26 min a night. I don't like big man who can't play positive spot center minutes, FO's seems to think the same since both Markannen and Collins failed to secure extensions.

Spurs might just go after value signings like Fournier, Powell when Derozan leaves. Gary Trent is also a restricted free agent i can see them pursuing they liked him before the draft. Duncan Robinson can be value if Miami goes after Oladipo.

[rankingtear]

I somewhat agree but the alternative may be paying our current vets. All this cap space and few targets worries me given PATFOs free agency moves the last 5 years so i’d rather over pay for a young player who checks alot of boxes for us.

Beal and Lavine are free agents in 22, those are perfect fits for our team. Thinking spurs save at least a max slot.

[rankingtear]

I somewhat agree but the alternative may be paying our current vets. All this cap space and few targets worries me given PATFOs free agency moves the last 5 years so i’d rather over pay for a young player who checks alot of boxes for us.

Beal and Lavine are free agents in 22, those are perfect fits for our team. Thinking spurs save at least a max slot.

[rjv]

Beal and Lavine are free agents in 22, those are perfect fits for our team. Thinking spurs save at least a max slot.

if the best move to make this summer is to hold on to significant cap space, i'd be perfectly fine with that.

[talkspurs]

I somewhat agree but the alternative may be paying our current vets. All this cap space and few targets worries me given PATFOs free agency moves the last 5 years so i’d rather over pay for a young player who checks alot of boxes for us.

You can also take a player in and get a pick in trade for it. It may not make your team much better but you at least get something out of it. Overplaying a player can really hurt your team. This is why I like the Aldridge for #1 and wiggins last year and like it again this year. it is better to take someone else bad contract and get a pick then to create your own.

[buttsR4rebounding]

if the best move to make this summer is to hold on to significant cap space, i'd be perfectly fine with that.

If you are going to do that looking at a trade for someone like Blake Griffin to use as a caphold for 2022. Pick up some other assets along the way. Likely end up with a better 2022 draft choice as well.

[KingKev]

if the best move to make this summer is to hold on to significant cap space, i'd be perfectly fine with that.

if Beal or Lavine are targets you could still sign Collins and clear a max slot in 22 for one of them. We’d have to unload at least one of our guards to accommodate the minutes anyways. Paying Beal or Lavine 35+ seems worse than Collins at 29mm, especially given out current back court talent.

[Chinook]

A lot of people seem to want the Spurs to run like they're a household. There's no upside to saving cap space. There's little benefit to getting "value" players when you're under the cap. If Collins is worth $20 Million, he's worth $30 Million, because $10 Million is basically worthless. Once you go over the cap, you can start looking for deals. But when you have cap space, the main goal should be to use it as quickly as possible.

Of course bad contracts exist. But they aren't marginal things where like 20 percent less APY makes the difference. They're usually from guys getting paid well above their tiers like Wall or Wiggins. Collins getting paid like one of the best players in his age group doesn't apply.

[TD 21]

I doubt Collins ends up with the Mavericks.

I suspect he's more interested in a featured or at least perceived featured role and I suspect their primary concern will be or at least should be getting a secondary shot creator.



Can the Heat sign him out right this summer? I think they may have some cap hold issues forcing to operate above the cap. There is value in them trading for DDR now...

Dragic, Iguodala and Leonard all have bloated team options, while Bradley and Silva also have team options and Robinson and Nunn have modest qualifying offers.

Robinson is probably the only one they view as a virtual must keep.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1364335244799795200?s=19

[rjv]

with collins, it's unlikely he becomes a spur. i'd be less surprised to see demar remain a spur and the remaining cap space spent on middle tier role players. ST will be beside itself over losing out on a player that may make the all-star team once or twice in his career.

[KingKev]

with collins, it's unlikely he becomes a spur. i'd be less surprised to see demar remain a spur and the remaining cap space spent on middle tier role players. ST will be beside itself over losing out on a player that may make the all-star team once or twice in his career.

if you are happy with the above you are part of the problem.

[spurraider21]

If Collins is worth $20 Million, he's worth $30 Million, because $10 Million is basically worthless.
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[rjv]

if you are happy with the above you are part of the problem.

at no point did i mention whether i'd be happy or not with any particular player. i'd gladly have collins because he'd be a serious upgrade form Aldridge. i was just making the observation that collins will likely end up elsewhere and there's a good chance derozan stays here. and that ST will implode as it usually does. that's just a prediction not an emotion.

[poopbox]

Beal and Lavine are free agents in 22, those are perfect fits for our team. Thinking spurs save at least a max slot.

Which one of white or murray is going to the bench for us to get lavine or beal...

Neither of these guys move the needle for us...as long as Dejounte and Derrick are here we should be in the market for backup guards only

[rjv]

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maybe to a large market team that makes sense.

[Dverde]

Spurs could get something good for LMA and some future picks. I don’t think they got the guts to pull the trigger on anything.

[Seventyniner]

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I think his point is that there's no functional difference between being above the cap by $X or $X + 10M, at least until you start pushing up against the tax. The Spurs shouldn't be anywhere near the tax for a while because they will be so far below the cap this summer.

[Chinook]

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maybe to a large market team that makes sense.

See? That's what I'm talking about. The reasoning might be counter-intuitive, but it's not contradictory. When you're trying to build a team, value contracts basically don't have any place. Cap space only matters insofar as it relates to opportunity cost, and having $10 Million in cap space lying around is basically irrelevant to rebuilding.

If Collins is good enough to where the Spurs would be happy to pay $20 Million per year on him, then they should be willing to pay $30 Million a year, because that extra money isn't likely to be used on anything more important than getting a legit $20-Million player on the roster. The difference is basically just the MLE, and they'll have that in both scenarios.

The Spurs have a budget of the luxury tax, but that's not important when we're talking about how the team should use cap space. They're so far from the tax in that scenario that it won't be a realistic concern until at least the next off-season, and by then, they can probably look to replace some of their role-players for the value contracts folks think are important to have now or the aforementioned exceptions.

[Chinook]

I think his point is that there's no functional difference between being above the cap by $X or $X + 10M, at least until you start pushing up against the tax. The Spurs shouldn't be anywhere near the tax for a while because they will be so far below the cap this summer.

Yeah. The important thing is securing the players to build around first. If Collins is worth signing at all, he's worth maxing. You don't nickel and dime when it comes to key NBA players. That's just not how the league works.

[BacktoBasics]

at no point did i mention whether i'd be happy or not with any particular player. i'd gladly have collins because he'd be a serious upgrade form Aldridge. i was just making the observation that collins will likely end up elsewhere and there's a good chance derozan stays here. and that ST will implode as it usually does. that's just a prediction not an emotion.
KingKev loves projecting absurdities onto others so he can argue superiority with another empty take.

[spurraider21]

See? That's what I'm talking about. The reasoning might be counter-intuitive, but it's not contradictory. When you're trying to build a team, value contracts basically don't have any place. Cap space only matters insofar as it relates to opportunity cost, and having $10 Million in cap space lying around is basically irrelevant to rebuilding.

If Collins is good enough to where the Spurs would be happy to pay $20 Million per year on him, then they should be willing to pay $30 Million a year, because that extra money isn't likely to be used on anything more important than getting a legit $20-Million player on the roster. The difference is basically just the MLE, and they'll have that in both scenarios.

The Spurs have a budget of the luxury tax, but that's not important when we're talking about how the team should use cap space. They're so far from the tax in that scenario that it won't be a realistic concern until at least the next off-season, and by then, they can probably look to replace some of their role-players for the value contracts folks think are important to have now or the aforementioned exceptions.
gotcha

[Chinook]

gotcha

Yeah, like if the choice was Collins for $20M or Collins for $30M, I'd obviously pick the former. But if the choice is Collins for $30M or someone else they don't like as much for $20M (or even like $17M), then I can't ride with it. Like they could well either like or be stuck with a guy like Markkannen, and that signing might even be better than Collins if Mark is good. But they shouldn't kid themselves into thinking Markkannen plus a $10M to $13M player is somehow smarter than overpaying for their top guy.

That said, it's not impossible that they just straight up like a guy like Markkannen. I know a RealGMer thought the Spurs would add a first to a Murray-Mark swap.

[Dejounte]

Let's see if Collins would even want to sign here after that debacle we saw with him and Murray last game.

[KingKev]

Spurs could get something good for LMA and some future picks. I don’t think they got the guts to pull the trigger on anything.

No they can’t.

[exstatic]

Just for shits and grins, would anyone be interested in Porzingod? Sounds like Cuban is clearing cap room, and I know the Spurs have been enamored before. The bad blood between SA and the NYK is supposedly because Dolan accused the Spurs of tampering. He’s obviously not a great fit in Dallas, but he’s got a line of 20p/8r/1.5bl shooting 35% from long, in 30 minutes, and he’s still only 25.


LMA and Lyles is an almost perfect match.