NBA Trade Deadline: 2020-21 Season

[tbdog]

funny how guys like Gordon, Wiggins, and Tobias Harris have actual value in the NBA market but Spurstalk members start with “They better attach a 1st to that bad contract.” Lol.

Gordon has a great contract.

[ace3g]

Spurs were linked to him as well.

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[TD 21]

Media bias at it's finest. If the Spurs had Lowry and he supposedly wanted to sign with the Heat, who had the cap space to sign him outright in the offseason, they'd tell us they have no leverage and that at 35, with recent durability issues and slippage, no one should/will give up a significant asset for him and they'll have to accept the pu pu platter of Dragic, Olynyk, Nunn and some minor piece (Okpala, Silva, far off 2nd).

But one of their pets has him, so an aspiring contender should supposedly give up Robinson, a key piece. Unbelievable.

[Dejounte]

Per NBASupes (the Hawks forum "insider"), Collins is closer to a lock to stay and that The Ringer is full of bullshit similar to Clutch Points

[tbdog]

As much as Collins makes sense, and as much as you would do Walker and 1st for him - you have to compare what their next contract will be.

[Ice009]

As much as Collins makes sense, and as much as you would do Walker and 1st for him - you have to compare what their next contract will be.

I wouldn't trade Walker for him if it was my choice. I'd still like to give him another year or two to see if he can put it all together consistently.

[tbdog]

I wouldn't trade Walker for him if it was my choice. I'd still like to give him another year or two to see if he can put it all together consistently.

Even if they were the same quality player, which they not as Collins is the better, more consistent, while maintaining upside. It's a position of need for the Spurs. But Collins would want and get a 100m contract, while Walker will be under 60

[Sugus]

Out for the season. Wow.

Lonnie's been having wrist issues. Good thing he's fine.

Ehh, LaMelo's injury looks to have been a one-time fracture thing (if he's broken his scaphoid or trapecius like I did, it'll be really eerie...), whilst wrist problems that are recurrent are much, much more worrisome in the medium and long-term. I'm not saying Lonnie has these issues or close, so far I at least haven't heard any reports or interviews mentioning it, it might just be soreness or something. But fractures that heal correctly (and with an NBA player's access to medical aid, they mostly do) are usually non-issues long-term.

[RC_Drunkford]

One pick and one young player for collins. Seems doable if we really want it

I wouldn't give that up so we can overpay him. Much rather overpay him in the offseason and if he doesn't sign here make a run at somebody else.

[Dejounte]

https://theathletic.com/2467257/2021/03/22/nba-trade-deadline-week-latest-on-kyle-lowry-aaron-gordon-and-more-intel-from-around-the-nba?source=user-shared-article

Heat, Sixers after Lowry

Rockets, Magic talked Gordon trade involving picks

Hawks interested in Marcus Smart

Dallas wants Drummond via trade

[Dejounte]

Another article with no Spurs mention but a lot of different trade scenarios involving other teams

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31110462/nba-trade-deadline-latest-intel-most-likely-deals

Maybe the other teams will use the Spurs as a third team to help facilitate

[rankingtear]

Thinking Gordon is one of those who looks average now but in a few years and the right system may look good. I was baffled the spurs were rumored to pursuing Randle, Clarkson and Rozier back when they were known as inefficient chuckers and look where they are now. Randle is an all star and Rozier/Clarkson had a big jump in efficiency. Another way to improve is to get these undervalued guys and put them in a better position and role.

[Degoat]

Magic and rockets coming closer to a deal on Aaron Gordon

[Dejounte]

Magic and rockets coming closer to a deal on Aaron Gordonhttps://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1373986406012440580?s=19

Imagine being a fake star and asking for a trade

[rankingtear]

Imagine being a fake star and asking for a trade

:bobo

[Degoat]

Looking & reaching for anything positive, maybe cause we aren’t hearing any spurs rumors it means there up to something lol

[Dex]

Looking & reaching for anything positive, maybe cause we aren’t hearing any spurs rumors it means there up to something lol

Better than the offseason when the Spurs were "aggressively pursuing trades" just to end up running it back.

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1373986406012440580?s=19

Imagine being a fake star and asking for a trade

I mean, in all fairness...I would want to get out of the shitshow that is the Orlando Magic too.

[rankingtear]

Another article with no Spurs mention but a lot of different trade scenarios involving other teams

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31110462/nba-trade-deadline-latest-intel-most-likely-deals

Maybe the other teams will use the Spurs as a third team to help facilitate

• The most interesting Bull to watch this week might be Lauri Markkanen (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066336/lauri-markkanen). He is enjoying the best shooting season of his career, but the rest of his game has plateaued. (He's still just 23.) Do the Bulls want to pay him in restricted free agency this summer? Are they worried about an offer sheet from a youngish team like the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) with cap room?

[Dejounte]

• The most interesting Bull to watch this week might be Lauri Markkanen (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066336/lauri-markkanen). He is enjoying the best shooting season of his career, but the rest of his game has plateaued. (He's still just 23.) Do the Bulls want to pay him in restricted free agency this summer? Are they worried about an offer sheet from a youngish team like the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) with cap room?

I saw that, and viewed it as the writer's speculation.

[DPG21920]

Spurs have been awful in free agency and trades. They are paralyzed with no direction.

Not expecting much. I will say, if they weren’t at least heavily shopping lma, ddr, Rudy and Mills and then don’t re-sign them it’s a colossal failure.

I don’t want those guys re signed but I would at least understand the logic of not trading them if your plan is to bring them back. But if you are going to let them walk to get nothing out of + asset players is just gross mis managing of a small market team.

Let’s see what they do by THU.

[cjw]

Wiggins doesn’t. Harris is on a bad, long contract that expires long after his athleticism. Gordon, a former top 3 pick, extended for about what our late first rounders did, and his team is now ready to move on. None of them are a bargain.

Harris’ contract sucks, but he’s been good this year. Positive impact with or without Embiid/Simmons. Contract ends when he’s 32 so not THAT bad. Philly was forced into a corner to pay him the max after going all in with Butler and him via trade.

Wiggins and Gordon are not positive impact players. I’m surprised teams are so intrigued by Gordon. (On edit ... it must be the contract, as only one year beyond this at $20mm).

[Dejounte]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937485-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-biggest-nba-trade-deadline-targets

No Spurs mention here either

[The Truth #6]

Spurs have been awful in free agency and trades. They are paralyzed with no direction.

Not expecting much. I will say, if they weren’t at least heavily shopping lma, ddr, Rudy and Mills and then don’t re-sign them it’s a colossal failure.

I don’t want those guys re signed but I would at least understand the logic of not trading them if your plan is to bring them back. But if you are going to let them walk to get nothing out of + asset players is just gross mis managing of a small market team.

Let’s see what they do by THU.

Yeah, I agree with that. Complete inaction is super risky, or mismanagement, as you say. They have to have a plan based on priorities and contingencies and pursue that.

On a tangent, contrary to most, I'm not totally down on Brian Wright. The Morris maneuver showed some creativity and balls, unfortunately it completely exploded in our face for reasons that weren't his fault as far as I can tell. The Demarre disaster confuses me still as far as what the hell happened, and somewhat makes me wonder if Wright was making moves boldly without the blessing of Pop's opinion. Seems outlandish, but the situation in the end was ridiculous, so something didn't jive.

[KingKev]

Harris’ contract sucks, but he’s been good this year. Positive impact with or without Embiid/Simmons. Contract ends when he’s 32 so not THAT bad. Philly was forced into a corner to pay him the max after going all in with Butler and him via trade.

Wiggins and Gordon are not positive impact players. I’m surprised teams are so intrigued by Gordon. (On edit ... it must be the contract, as only one year beyond this at $20mm).

His contract was front loaded. 16mm next year. He is young, insanely athletic and has shown
signs of All-Star level 2 way capability. There are intangibles that advanced stats don’t take into consideration. He has been rotting in Orlando, used out of position and been in the NBA trade rumour mill for 2 years. His playing time has at times been very inconsistent. There should be an adjustment factor for anyone who plays for the Magic (and actually somewhat excels) for these stats nerds, whom, themselves never actually played organized ball. Will help them better and more accurately assess talent.

[Mr. Body]

It seems pretty clear no market formed for LaMarcus Aldridge. His contract makes things difficult and teams are willing to wait for the buyout. It's not a big deal: it's a bonus not trying to fit him into the rotation and it was deeply unlikely the Spurs could find anything they liked.

[BatManu20]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937485-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-biggest-nba-trade-deadline-targets

No Spurs mention here either


That’s actually a good thing tbh. Anytime they’re mentioned it’s almost always by a player’s agent to create interest. PATFO move in silence. With that said, I don’t think we make any moves (as usual) by Thursday.

:pop: “We like what we have”

[DPG21920]

It seems pretty clear no market formed for LaMarcus Aldridge. His contract makes things difficult and teams are willing to wait for the buyout. It's not a big deal: it's a bonus not trying to fit him into the rotation and it was deeply unlikely the Spurs could find anything they liked.

True. With LMA it’s a little different. Now, some of us were calling for trading lma before his value was shot and were annoyed when they guaranteed his salary for no reason but as things stand you’re right. But with Rudy, DDR and Mills?

They are + players on good deals and if Sa isn’t bringing them back there’s no excuse to hold on.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374029917994819585?s=19

[lmbebo]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374029917994819585?s=19

not san antonio ..

[RD2191]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374029917994819585?s=19

Dude is a confirmed faggot then. This is why today's NBA sucks, bums thinking they're stars. Smh

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374029917994819585?s=19

The only performance I remember seeing is his role in Uncle Drew. PATFO want no part of him.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/18yFYe4xePY

[RD2191]

https://youtu.be/18yFYe4xePY
:lmao

[Dejounte]

Finally, a Spurs mention:

Jarrett AllenCleveland Cavaliers center Jarrett Allen will be a restricted free agent in the offseason, meaning Cleveland will have the right to match any offers the big man receives on the market.
The Detroit Pistons, Toronto Raptors, San Antonio Spurs and Washington Wizards are some of the teams expected to have some level of interest in the young seven-foot rim protector, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Earlier in the season when he was a member of the Brooklyn Nets, a healthy rookie-scale extension wasn’t feasible due to the cap restraints of the team.
A four-year, $48 million extension was offered and politely declined, sources said.
Allen, 22, will be open to all situations as he hopes to collect on his first major payday in the league, sources said.

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Highly doubt the Cavs don't match. So this is another case of nothingburger.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hoopla-with-haynes-aaron-gordon-wont-be-traded-to-rockets-kings-make-marvin-bagley-iii-available-171248310.html

[EasyMoney]

Surprised to see the spurs being mentioned. Mainly because I expected them to not even look in his direction. Cleveland going to overpay to keep him.

[EasyMoney]

Surprised to see the spurs being mentioned. Mainly because I expected them to not even look in his direction. Cleveland going to overpay to keep him.

[Sugus]

https://youtu.be/18yFYe4xePY

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Ocotillo]

Surprised to see the spurs being mentioned. Mainly because I expected them to not even look in his direction. Cleveland going to overpay to keep him.

Jakob back to the bench if they actually won out on Allen....

[Mugen]

Jakob back to the bench if they actually won out on Allen....

Nah.

[Mr. Body]

Finally, a Spurs mention:

Jarrett AllenCleveland Cavaliers center Jarrett Allen will be a restricted free agent in the offseason, meaning Cleveland will have the right to match any offers the big man receives on the market.
The Detroit Pistons, Toronto Raptors, San Antonio Spurs and Washington Wizards are some of the teams expected to have some level of interest in the young seven-foot rim protector, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Earlier in the season when he was a member of the Brooklyn Nets, a healthy rookie-scale extension wasn’t feasible due to the cap restraints of the team.
A four-year, $48 million extension was offered and politely declined, sources said.
Allen, 22, will be open to all situations as he hopes to collect on his first major payday in the league, sources said.

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Highly doubt the Cavs don't match. So this is another case of nothingburger.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hoopla-with-haynes-aaron-gordon-wont-be-traded-to-rockets-kings-make-marvin-bagley-iii-available-171248310.html

I love Jarrett Allen, having watched him in Brooklyn. He does everything you need down low -- good shot blocker and rebounder, no complaining. Sucks for him to be held captive by Cleveland.

Poeltl's development makes anything moot, and he'd be too expensive. But an Allen/Poeltl platoon would be the league's best, in my opinion, with very few challengers.

[exstatic]

His contract was front loaded. 16mm next year. He is young, insanely athletic and has shown
signs of All-Star level 2 way capability. There are intangibles that advanced stats don’t take into consideration. He has been rotting in Orlando, used out of position and been in the NBA trade rumour mill for 2 years. His playing time has at times been very inconsistent. There should be an adjustment factor for anyone who plays for the Magic (and actually somewhat excels) for these stats nerds, whom, themselves never actually played organized ball. Will help them better and more accurately assess talent.

He’s been in the league long enough, a full rookie deal and nearly his entire extension, that I can safely and confidently say that he is what he is. LOTS of players show All Star flashes, and never crest that hill. He’d be one of those. 29 NBA GMs would be fighting to the death to trade for him if they thought he’d develop into an All Star on that $16M contract. The fact that they’re just throwing pebbles in the pond speaks loudly.

[Maddog]

Now we've gotten Gordon out the way an interesting read on another board favorite


https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/3/22/22343534/john-collins-atlanta-hawks-trade-deadline

[Dejounte]

Take it with a grain of salt, since I've never heard of this website before now:

"LMA to MIA?Several league sources told Action Network that there’s a growing confidence Miami has taken the lead as the most likely landing spot for LaMarcus Aldridge, either through a trade with the Spurs or a potential buyout.
The Heat are also believed to continue their pursuit of Kyle Lowry, though indications from the Toronto Raptors in recent weeks, and a report from Michael Grange (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-wont-trade-lowry-deadline-must-author-graceful-end-era/), were that the Raptors had decided not to deal the veteran All-Star.
If Aldridge is in fact headed to the Heat, it’s possible Miami would then seek to use some of its front court depth, like Kelly Olynyk, to bolster other positions."

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-rumors-aaron-gordon-andre-drummond-lamarcus-aldridge-march-22-deadline?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mattmoore

[Dejounte]

Just in (per NBASupes, Atlanta "Insider"):

"Small Update: There will be a number of moves made. It's highly unlikely the Hawks are involved unless their price tags are being met.
Expect Oladipo, DeRozan, A. Gordon, and Kyle Lowry to be moved.
Price is Right only guys: Norman Powell, JC, and Lonzo Ball. Otherwise expect them to stay with their teams.
Pay salt to trade ideas with Kevin or Cam in it.
While Atlanta has been talking to NO about trades. He confirmed the only one where they made progress is: Tony Snell has been mentioned a lot. There has been some serious talk about Snell and minor pieces (Brandon or Bruno) being traded for Bledsoe. There is also interest in J.J. Redick as well. He mentioned, other have mentioned Zo and Reddish to him but no one from Atlanta side or from NO side has mentioned any offer from Atlanta for Ball. LAC and CHI have made offers but NO is locked in to what they are looking for if they are moving Ball. Cam will appeal to NO if offered which is seemingly what NO might be trying to drum up with no real interest from Atlanta side. He said, teams are pretty far from what NO is looking for in return for a Ball trade. He doesn't think Ball will be moved.
Rondo name has disappeared from all talks.
Bogi name in talks is hilarious. The offers are beyond disgusting.
Tony Snell seems to be the one player who could be moved who has positive value. Brandon and Bruno do not have positive value. "


https://media.tenor.com/images/2955390c6533cdee2633b84f60cda097/tenor.gif

[Degoat]

Damnnn son! I’ll believe it when I see it lol I’ll be shocked if they move DeRozan

[LCM]

Finally, a Spurs mention:

Jarrett AllenCleveland Cavaliers center Jarrett Allen will be a restricted free agent in the offseason, meaning Cleveland will have the right to match any offers the big man receives on the market.
The Detroit Pistons, Toronto Raptors, San Antonio Spurs and Washington Wizards are some of the teams expected to have some level of interest in the young seven-foot rim protector, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Earlier in the season when he was a member of the Brooklyn Nets, a healthy rookie-scale extension wasn’t feasible due to the cap restraints of the team.
A four-year, $48 million extension was offered and politely declined, sources said.
Allen, 22, will be open to all situations as he hopes to collect on his first major payday in the league, sources said.

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Highly doubt the Cavs don't match. So this is another case of nothingburger.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hoopla-with-haynes-aaron-gordon-wont-be-traded-to-rockets-kings-make-marvin-bagley-iii-available-171248310.html

Would love Allen, but Cavs will probably match anything he's given. I think the Spurs are going to be mentioned alot in agent leverage moves because of the Spurs potential cap space. I bet we get name dropped alot when season is over.

[Leetonidas]

Prediction: nothing happens. Lma is bought out and goes to the Lakers

[Dejounte]

Damnnn son! I’ll believe it when I see it lol I’ll be shocked if they move DeRozan

Obviously, still have my doubts even if that insider is legitimate or not. Trade talks always fall through.

But about the trade itself, it only makes sense for the roster if DeMar leaves... it makes all the puzzles pieces fit.

[Robz4000]

Prediction: nothing happens. Lma is bought out and goes to the Lakers

Same

[LeBowen]

Tbh, I'm not comfortable with Lyles/Gay as third C options.
Eubanks being the only backup is already a stretch.

Every game Jakob gets in foul trouble, and those happen pretty often, is a potential L. Even against the worst teams.

Noone will offer anything for LMA, I think even PATFO came to terms with that.
My pipe dream would be getting a first for Patty+Rudy package, but we all know that won't happen.

[KingKev]

He’s been in the league long enough, a full rookie deal and nearly his entire extension, that I can safely and confidently say that he is what he is. LOTS of players show All Star flashes, and never crest that hill. He’d be one of those. 29 NBA GMs would be fighting to the death to trade for him if they thought he’d develop into an All Star on that $16M contract. The fact that they’re just throwing pebbles in the pond speaks loudly.

Younger than D White. Offers more than Harrison Barnes. Higher upside, less downside, can be had for less than Barnes. Maybe we can build a time machine and get Wiseman, Wiggins, Minny’s 2021 first for LMA and 11. You were vehement that was, in some form on the table yet apprehensive sans Minny’s lottery pick.
I just don’t value your opinion when it comes to relative value.

[exstatic]

Younger than D White. Offers more than Harrison Barnes. Higher upside, less downside, can be had for less than Barnes. Maybe we can build a time machine and get Wiseman, Wiggins, Minny’s 2021 first for LMA and 11. You were vehement that was, in some form on the table yet apprehensive sans Minny’s lottery pick.
I just don’t value your opinion when it comes to relative value.
Age is not nearly as important as experience. DWhite has been in the league 4 years, including this one. Gordon is in his eighth season. There’s just no development curve left.

[KingKev]

Age is not nearly as important as experience. DWhite has been in the league 4 years, including this one. Gordon is in his eighth season. There’s just no development curve left.

Let’s separate development from a change in scenery. If the price is right, no reason to frown your nose at Gordon. He would be a perfect complement in many regards to our current youth. His contract is quite reasonable and allows you some flexibility while allocating some cap space that very may well otherwise go to Rudy Gay and/or Patty Mills or worse.

[TD 21]

I realize Markkanen is just speculation, but despite the need for a stretch four, I wouldn't bother. The Bulls are clearly at the very least open to moving him, but they won't let an asset walk as an RFA without overpaying and he's not worth it. Injury prone, inconsistent, sub par defending center sized "power forward" is an awkward archetype.

I don't buy the Allen rumor at all. He'd require extreme overpayment to get the Cavaliers to consider not matching and the Spurs are obviously not doing that when they have a slightly older and what will be a significantly cheaper version, in Poeltl.

If the rumors of the Hawks being open to moving Bogdanovic and Reddish are true, I'd first try DeRozan, Lyles and Walker IV for Collins, Bogdanovic and Snell. Failing that, I'd try DeRozan for Bogdanovic and Reddish.

[Mnky]

Derrick white deactivated his Twitter account. :stirpot:

[mo7888]

I realize Markkanen is just speculation, but despite the need for a stretch four, I wouldn't bother. The Bulls are clearly at the very least open to moving him, but they won't let an asset walk as an RFA without overpaying and he's not worth it. Injury prone, inconsistent, sub par defending center sized "power forward" is an awkward archetype.

I don't buy the Allen rumor at all. He'd require extreme overpayment to get the Cavaliers to consider not matching and the Spurs are obviously not doing that when they have a slightly older and what will be a significantly cheaper version, in Poeltl.

If the rumors of the Hawks being open to moving Bogdanovic and Reddish are true, I'd first try DeRozan, Lyles and Walker IV for Collins, Bogdanovic and Snell. Failing that, I'd try DeRozan for Bogdanovic and Reddish.

I'd pass on Collins...but the Bogdanovic/ Reddish deal would be attractive

[exstatic]

Derrick white deactivated his Twitter account. :stirpot:

Probably got a ton of shit from losers about Saturday.

[Dejounte]

Atlanta is in a win now mode. DeMar makes sense for them. I don't know any other team DeMar would make sense for. This also matches up with that one poster who provided some Intel on here...

[exstatic]

I'd pass on Collins...but the Bogdanovic/ Reddish deal would be attractive

ATL would have to hear from DD that he’s re-signing, otherwise they would have no interest.

[mo7888]

Atlanta is in a win now mode. DeMar makes sense for them. I don't know any other team DeMar would make sense for. This also matches up with that one poster who provided some Intel on here...

Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, and NY look like good fits in the East for DDR to me. I'm not saying they all have assets we'd want or enough disposable salaries to make a deal work but I think he fits in those places and improves the playoff chances/position of all of them.

[TD 21]

I'd pass on Collins...but the Bogdanovic/ Reddish deal would be attractive

It goes without saying that any hypothetical DeRozan trade comes with the caveat that he's at the very least amendable to re-signing (obviously, this could work via sign and trade too and would probably be more likely) with whoever acquires him and that's probably highly dependant on whether the Raptors are interested in a reunion.

It's probably the apex of DeRozan's worth (or would be if he were a Warrior, Heat, Raptor, etc.). Bogdanovic checks a lot of boxes as a youngish veteran secondary shot creator/play maker and a volume/movement 3-point shooter. Reddish has struggled mightily so far, but is still very young and remains an intriguing, coveted archetype.

[Dverde]

Derrick white deactivated his Twitter account. :stirpot:

I bet this is nothing. Derrick is one of the most mature guys on the team.

[mo7888]

ATL would have to hear from DD that he’s re-signing, otherwise they would have no interest.

True, but anybody trading for him that's giving anything significant would require that info and they should be able to get that information through his agent.

[szkorhetz]

Probably got a ton of shit from losers about Saturday.
From what I saw, he is Pop's favourite player I bet he will retire a Spurs.

[mo7888]

It goes without saying that any hypothetical DeRozan trade comes with the caveat that he's at the very least amendable to re-signing (obviously, this could work via sign and trade too and would probably be more likely) with whoever acquires him and that's probably highly dependant on whether the Raptors are interested in a reunion.

It's probably the apex of DeRozan's worth (or would be if he were a Warrior, Heat, Raptor, etc.). Bogdanovic checks a lot of boxes as a youngish veteran secondary shot creator/play maker and a volume/movement 3-point shooter. Reddish has struggled mightily so far, but is still very young and remains an intriguing, coveted archetype.

I agree with all of that... I've been a fan of Bogdanovic and his fit here for a while now. Reddish, to me, is a classic boom or bust type of player. If the light comes on he could an All Star but there's a decent chance that switch never flips.... but the talent is good enough to be worth the risk.

[Dverde]

The Wizards have made Davis Bertans available for some teams, according to report :lol

[szkorhetz]

The Wizards have made Davis Bertans available for some teams, according to report :lol


He would actually be a really nice addition to this team's Starting Unit. It won't happen, but I would love it.

[PhantomDashCam]

Playing at home over the next 2 weeks or so would have to be a positive in acclimating any potential acquisition too.

Even in this crazy COVID Campaign, Spurs would have to feel good about getting a prospect in for almost a mini-camp type of deal.

Still think a trade is unlikely but love reading and speculating about the rumours.

[bluebellmaniac]

Derrick white deactivated his Twitter account. :stirpot:

Being traded for draft rights for Cade. Makes sense.

[TD 21]

I agree with all of that... I've been a fan of Bogdanovic and his fit here for a while now. Reddish, to me, is a classic boom or bust type of player. If the light comes on he could an All Star but there's a decent chance that switch never flips.... but the talent is good enough to be worth the risk.

At that point, it'd make sense to either not re-sign Mills or trade Walker IV for a stretch big to alleviate the rotational guard/wing logjam and balance the roster.

[Joseph Kony]

The Sacramento Kings have made the No. 2 pick in the 2018 NBA draft [Marvin Bagley] available for a trade, with the Kings recently being turned down by the Detroit Pistons, having offered Bagley III for promising rookie Saddiq Bey, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Man, some of these guys don't have the value I'd think they would (lol taking Bagley over Luka when your GM is from the same country). Also read somewhere that Hawks offered Collins to Minny for Beasley and a pick and were turned down.

With the amount of chatter I'm hoping we see a flurry of trades in the next few days. Still don't think Spurs will be involved though :lol

[mo7888]

At that point, it'd make sense to either not re-sign Mills or trade Walker IV for a stretch big to alleviate the rotational guard/wing logjam and balance the roster.

I agree with that too and I'd take the option of letting Mills walk.

[mo7888]

A couple smaller movements that could be coming that I'm seeing in reports... Clippers are open to paying someone to take Kabengele to give them more wiggle room under the cap...and apparently teams are expecting the Kings to give Bagley away for next to nothing... Detroit turned down a Bagley for Bey swap...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374120830762909696?s=19

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374121914726252549?s=19

[Mnky]

Probably got a ton of shit from losers about Saturday.

Spot on.

From what I saw on Twitter, he deactivated his account due to trolls complaining.

[Mnky]

A couple smaller movements that could be coming that I'm seeing in reports... Clippers are open to paying someone to take Kabengele to give them more wiggle room under the cap...and apparently teams are expecting the Kings to give Bagley away for next to nothing... Detroit turned down a Bagley for Bey swap...

Bey is a hot commodity.

[TD 21]

Non Spurs related trade that randomly popped in my head: Walker, Nesmith, Ojeleye, lottery protected '21 1st and '22 2nd for Gordon, Fournier and Aminu.

Celtics get needed fours, shooting and depth and Magic take a flyer on verging albatross, who provides them with needed shot creation, while receiving recent and current draft capital to do so.

[Dejounte]

DeMar
Lyles
1st round pick

For

Rondo
Snell
Reddish
Okongwu

Murray/ Mills/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Q
Keldon/ Snell/ KBD
Reddish/ Gay/ Luka
Poeltl/ Eubanks/ Okongwu

Waive Rondo
Don't re-sign Gay in the summer

[mo7888]

DeMar
Lyles
1st round pick

For

Rondo
Snell
Reddish
Okongwu

Murray/ Mills/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Q
Keldon/ Snell/ KBD
Reddish/ Gay/ Luka
Poeltl/ Eubanks/ Okongwu

Waive Rondo
Don't re-sign Gay in the summer

Atlanta would do that

[Dejounte]

Atlanta would do that

They have no need for Snell or Reddish if DeMar is playing so much. If they re-sign Collins, there's no need for Okongwu as JC can play backup 5 for them.

[cd021]

DeMar
Lyles
1st round pick

For

Rondo
Snell
Reddish
Okongwu

Murray/ Mills/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Q
Keldon/ Snell/ KBD
Reddish/ Gay/ Luka
Poeltl/ Eubanks/ Okongwu

Waive Rondo
Don't re-sign Gay in the summer

I doubt that they trade their last two picks--top 10 for essentially DDR and a possible late lottery pick.

Maybe something like Walker, DeRozan, and our '21 first for Bogdanovic and Collins is more realistic. Especially if their worried about Bogdanovic's play and feel comfortable that DeMar is open to re-signing. Also they can save face and say that they moved Collins for a possible lottery pick and a promising young player.

[mo7888]

They have no need for Snell or Reddish if DeMar is playing so much. If they re-sign Collins, there's no need for Okongwu as JC can play backup 5 for them.

The only issue is that they couldn't resign JC and DDR unless they can unload Bogdanovic and Gallo this summer with minimal salary coming back.

[Excessive Egotist]

DeMar
Lyles
1st round pick

For

Rondo
Snell
Reddish
Okongwu

Murray/ Mills/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Q
Keldon/ Snell/ KBD
Reddish/ Gay/ Luka
Poeltl/ Eubanks/ Okongwu

Waive Rondo
Don't re-sign Gay in the summer


I've liked Atlanta as our most likely trade partner since last summer. I'd probably do the trade you mention--everything depends on how each team evaluates Okongwu. I think he is as good as a player we're going to get with this year's pick, so...

I'd also go for something like this

https://tradenba.com/trades/JzSsV7Ay9

[Dejounte]

The only issue is that they couldn't resign JC and DDR unless they can unload Bogdanovic and Gallo this summer with minimal salary coming back.

Add LMA and Gallo to the trade and it works under the trade checker.

[Excessive Egotist]

The only issue is that they couldn't resign JC and DDR unless they can unload Bogdanovic and Gallo this summer with minimal salary coming back.

This is why i could see them putting Reddish (might not play rest of this year, btw) and Gallo/Bogi together for Demar. The team desperately needs another ball handler and on ball scorer. DDR is kind of ideal for when Young is on the bench. He's basically a point forward at this stage of his career. I like DDR on the Hawks. They could win a series in the East.

[lmbebo]

As much as I'd like those ATL pieces, not sure they make a trade. Made big signings this off season, have been on a tear lately, mid season coaching change... not sure they would do big whole sale changes now ...

[Excessive Egotist]

The only issue is that they couldn't resign JC and DDR unless they can unload Bogdanovic and Gallo this summer with minimal salary coming back.


Also, I don't think Atlanta wants to keep John Collins. If they wanted him, they would have extended him at his number. I think they'll try to sign and trade him this summer.

[Maddog]

I doubt that they trade their last two picks--top 10 for essentially DDR and a possible late lottery pick.

Maybe something like Walker, DeRozan, and our '21 first for Bogdanovic and Collins is more realistic. Especially if their worried about Bogdanovic's play and feel comfortable that DeMar is open to re-signing. Also they can save face and say that they moved Collins for a possible lottery pick and a promising young player.

Atlanta not doing that trade nor any Spurs fan dream scenario

[mo7888]

Also, I don't think Atlanta wants to keep John Collins. If they wanted him, they would have extended him at his number. I think they'll try to sign and trade him this summer.

I think they are changing their mind on that 'for now' since they've moved up to #4 in the east...Their owner really wants to make the PO.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs ain’t trading DeRozan. No way

[mo7888]

As long as we're putting up hypothetical trades...here's a tweak of timvp's Mills trade to the Nets.

https://tradenba.com/trades/-69PFMRoR

It let's us compete this year without getting rid of DDR.

[Excessive Egotist]

I think they are changing their mind on that 'for now' since they've moved up to #4 in the east...Their owner really wants to make the PO.

Yes, it does seem that some insiders are saying the same thing. Thanks for the correction.

[Dverde]

I don’t watch much Hawks basketball. Who is better Collins or Hunter? Seems like they logjam at the 4/5 like we have at 1/2. They also have Gallo and Capela.

[Excessive Egotist]

I don’t watch much Hawks basketball. Who is better Collins or Hunter? Seems like they logjam at the 4/5 like we have at 1/2. They also have Gallo and Capela.

Collins is better, but Hunter is turning into a solid player.

[mo7888]

I don’t watch much Hawks basketball. Who is better Collins or Hunter? Seems like they logjam at the 4/5 like we have at 1/2. They also have Gallo and Capela.

This is just my opinion but, JC is better now but I think Hunter will be the better player long term if he's healthy.

[Dverde]

Spurs ain’t trading DeRozan. No way

They will present it to DDR, but I think they will leave it up to him.

[ace3g]

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Reddish on the mend
The Hawks are offering second-year forward Cam Reddish, the No. 10 pick of the 2019 draft, in trade talks. Reddish, though, is still out with an Achilles injury suffered Feb. 21 and is expected to be out at least another month — if he ultimately doesn’t need surgery. Reddish is offering 11.2 points and four boards this season. — Joe Vardon

cd021

Okongwu has been disappointing as per ATL fans, too.

They want to win now.

[The Truth #6]

Achilles injuries in general scare me, so they’d need to do their research with Reddish. But grabbing OO is intriguing. Is he that bad or are they that impatient?

[Dejounte]

Achilles injuries in general scare me, so they’d need to do their research with Reddish. But grabbing OO is intriguing. Is he that bad or are they that impatient?

Word from ATL fans is that he's too short and basically another Nerlens Noel.

[The Truth #6]

Word from ATL fans is that he's too short and basically another Nerlens Noel.

That’s not a great comp if I’m a Hawks fan. His college game suggested more upside than Noel iirc.

[Excessive Egotist]

The ATL games I've watched have featured so little OO, I don't have an opinion. I liked him before the draft, tho.

Reddish intrigues me. He's a good, multi-positional defender who takes the same dumb long two point shots Josh Smith used to take. But he could become an excellent team and individual defender. Ironically, I might like his defensive upside more than OO.

[Dejounte]

That’s not a great comp if I’m a Hawks fan. His college game suggested more upside than Noel iirc.

At one point college Nerlens Noel looked like he had more upside than current Nerlens Noel.

Not saying OO will bust, just putting that thought out there.

[Dejounte]

The ATL games I've watched have featured so little OO, I don't have an opinion. I liked him before the draft, tho.

Reddish intrigues me. He's a good, multi-positional defender who takes the same dumb long two point shots Josh Smith used to take. But he could become an excellent team and individual defender. Ironically, I might like his defensive upside more than OO.

I like Reddish more than OO, too. And I only like OO because we need a third C (and his contract makes the trade work), not because I think he'll become anything special.

[The Truth #6]

This would be a huge fall for OO. Before the draft posters were suggesting the Spurs were targeting him.

[Titi Parisien]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/4d238cfe-916f-4c03-9a38-6f71cc345119

[Titi Parisien]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/5f135ce0-061e-4fb3-acf0-625557c933ee

[Dejounte]

FIRST BIG TRADE

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374174131311280131?s=19

[Dejounte]

This move was to pick up a buyout player.

Clippers signing Boogie Cousins. Book it.

[Degoat]

Obviously not a a major trade or anything lol but I do wonder why the spurs don’t get involved in minor moves like that... he was somebody a couple seasons back before the draft that I thought could be a decent big to develop, as far as I know he hasn’t contributed much in his career so far but still

[exstatic]

Man, some of these guys don't have the value I'd think they would (lol taking Bagley over Luka when your GM is from the same country). Also read somewhere that Hawks offered Collins to Minny for Beasley and a pick and were turned down.

With the amount of chatter I'm hoping we see a flurry of trades in the next few days. Still don't think Spurs will be involved though :lol

Bagley’s dad has kind of turned into Lavar JR. all over social media demanding a trade, and while his numbers aren’t horrible, they’re bad for a #2 pick. That’s a cursed position, BTW. Look at #2 through the years.

[exstatic]

Obviously not a a major trade or anything lol but I do wonder why the spurs don’t get involved in minor moves like that... he was somebody a couple seasons back before the draft that I thought could be a decent big to develop, as far as I know he hasn’t contributed much in his career so far but still

When someone is a roster position dump, you don’t lose sleep over them.

[Degoat]

When someone is a roster position dump, you don’t lose sleep over them.

James Harden was once a roster dump lol

[ace3g]

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[DavidTheGoliath]

This move was to pick up a buyout player.

Clippers signing Boogie Cousins. Book it.

Nah, they creating space for a LMA buyout :lma:bobo

[DavidTheGoliath]

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no more lma for them i see.

[exstatic]

James Harden was once a roster dump lol

Not really. More of a stupid owner.

[Joseph Kony]

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:lmao thinking Aaron Gordon is going to save the day

[exstatic]

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Wow. Two first rounders for a high draft pick bust. When you drop the #4 pick, I’m thinking you’re hoping for more than 13/5. I mean, we’re getting more than that from Keldon this year.

[tbdog]

Wow. Two first rounders for a high draft pick bust. When you drop the #4 pick, I’m thinking you’re hoping for more than 13/5. I mean, we’re getting more than that from Keldon this year.

How is Gordon a draft bust?

[Degoat]

Man if Aaron Gordon is worth 2 firsts rounders, Demar should absolutely be too

[Leetonidas]

How is Gordon a draft bust?

#4 pick and 7 years into his career, hasn't developed much, basically a role player. Idk if I'd call him a bust but he definitely hasn't lived up to expectations

[exstatic]

How is Gordon a draft bust?

HIGH draft pick bust. Career numbers of 13/5 for #4 overall, after almost 8 seasons, frankly sucks. Keldon is outdoing that this year, and he was picked at 29, and will clearly have a better career than Gordon.

[tbdog]

Man if Aaron Gordon is worth 2 firsts rounders, Demar should absolutely be too

Gordon is on 18mil and 16mil next year (great contract). I am not sure what team would would DDR for two 1sts, match salary, and only guarantee him for half the season.

[tbdog]

HIGH draft pick bust. Career numbers of 13/5 for #4 overall, after almost 8 seasons, frankly sucks. Keldon is outdoing that this year, and he was picked at 29, and will clearly have a better career than Gordon.

He is a good defender, a better shooter and passer than Johnson. Because he was drafted number 4, doesn't make him a bust. He is a third wheeler for nearly every playoff team in the NBA. For Celtics, he would be the 4th wheel. On top of that, if Gordon was playing for the Spurs, he would be starting instead of Johnson.

[exstatic]

He is a good defender, a better shooter and passer than Johnson. Because he was drafted number 4, doesn't make him a bust. He is a third wheeler for nearly every playoff team in the NBA. For Celtics, he would be the 4th wheel. On top of that, if Gordon was playing for the Spurs, he would be starting instead of Johnson.

You can ABSOLUTELY be a bust at #4, but not at, say, 16. There are expectations from high draft picks, and I’m guessing ‘rotation player’ wasn’t on Orlando’s bingo card.

[Chinook]

So to be clear, this is his seventh season, not his eighth. He's completed six seasons so far and won't complete his ninth until 2022-2023.

[Excessive Egotist]

I like Reddish more than OO, too. And I only like OO because we need a third C (and his contract makes the trade work), not because I think he'll become anything special.


This sounds like the correct read.

[exstatic]

So to be clear, this is his seventh season, not his eighth. He's completed six seasons so far and won't complete his ninth until 2022-2023.

Let’s just agree that he’s well into his extension, and his game is defined as rotation player. That’s what career 13/5 is.

[Chinook]

Let’s just agree that he’s well into his extension, and his game is defined as rotation player. That’s what career 13/5 is.

Not really. Like I am not going to defend every aspect or Gordon, but he's still early enough in his career that his first two meh years are influencing his numbers. His last five seasons have him averaging 15/7/3/1/1. That's actually a really healthy stat line that a lot of players would struggle to duplicate.

[exstatic]

I like Reddish more than OO, too. And I only like OO because we need a third C (and his contract makes the trade work), not because I think he'll become anything special.

The thing I remember about Reddish’s draft profile is that for a lottery pick, his floor was low, and he was on many analysts possible bust lists. Shooting consistency was the big question, based on 3G% and FT% at Duke.

[exstatic]

Not really. Like I am not going to defend every aspect or Gordon, but he's still early enough in his career that his first two meh years are influencing his numbers. His last five seasons have him averaging 15/7/3/1/1. That's actually a really healthy stat line that a lot of players would struggle to duplicate.

We'llhave to agree to disagree on this one.

[Dejounte]

The thing I remember about Reddish’s draft profile is that for a lottery pick, his floor was low, and he was on many analysts possible bust lists. Shooting consistency was the big question, based on 3G% and FT% at Duke.

It's not even that I'll think he become a star. I think he can be molded into a nice 3 and D player.

[tbdog]

You can ABSOLUTELY be a bust at #4, but not at, say, 16. There are expectations from high draft picks, and I’m guessing ‘rotation player’ wasn’t on Orlando’s bingo card.

At what number do you think he should have been drafted at then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NBA_draft

[Kurgan]

I will laugh if we end up buying out LMA only a year after we bought out Carroll. What a mess of a front office.

[Dverde]

I will laugh if we end up buying out LMA only a year after we bought out Carroll. What a mess of a front office.

And two years from Pau Gasol’s buyout. They also gave away Bertrans for nothing and didn’t even get a measly pick swap. Nothing. They probably didn’t even call teams in the West to unload him.

[RC_Drunkford]

Obviously not a a major trade or anything lol but I do wonder why the spurs don’t get involved in minor moves like that... he was somebody a couple seasons back before the draft that I thought could be a decent big to develop, as far as I know he hasn’t contributed much in his career so far but still

:pop: we have Rudy

[Kurgan]

And two years from Pau Gasol’s buyout. They also gave away Bertrans for nothing and didn’t even get a measly pick swap. Nothing. They probably didn’t even call teams in the West to unload him.

Don't forget wasting a 1st round pick on Milutinov because they didn't want extra salary on the roster that year and opted to stash somebody they never intended to bring over

[RC_Drunkford]

Aaron Gordon is overrated on both ends. He’s an inconsistent 3-point shooter, who lacks to have an in between game. He’s also not that good of a team defender. If y’all want some insight on who he is watch this


https://youtu.be/FaxOULNprqk

[Dverde]

Aaron Gordon is overrated on both ends. He’s an inconsistent 3-point shooter, who lacks to have an in between game. He’s also not that good of a team defender. If y’all want some insight on who he is watch this


https://youtu.be/FaxOULNprqk

I saw his current haircut and knew he wasn’t over himself.

[8sy21vd]

Tough loss but honestly the Spurs have done well to have the record they have. PATFO's inability to address the front court is tragic though. You're setting up players for failure because the roster is so poorly balanced. Don't expect much other than Aldridge getting bought out out the deadline. They're probably finish around 36-36 and make the play-in tournament which should be exciting at least :)

[Dejounte]

The San Antonio Spurs have made it clear that LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan are available via trade, according to league sources. Gregg Popovich, of course, announced Aldridge and San Antonio's mutual interest to part ways, yet the rumblings surrounding his destination have remained quiet.

Only the Celtics and Miami Heat have been consistently mentioned by league personnel as teams with significant interest in Aldridge. And similar to the Drummond situation, it seems both franchises may be content to wait to add his services on the buyout market. The Heat are expected to make a spirited pursuit of Aldridge if he does become a free agent, but the Celtics could offer a primary frontcourt role in Brad Stevens' offense. "That sounds like their No. 1 priority," one team scout said.

DeRozan is also playing out the final year of his contract, and sources said he has an interest in playing elsewhere following this season—perhaps with an eye toward the Eastern Conference. DeRozan is quietly having an exceptional season, scoring 20.3 points per game on 49.1 percent shooting and boasting a 7.5-to-1.7 assist-to-turnover ratio. "He's transformed himself into this swing playmaker," one team analytics staffer said.

The likelihood appears low that DeRozan will reach a buyout with San Antonio, but by all accounts his time with the Spurs seems to be nearing its end.
The ever-active Knicks have considered acquiring DeRozan, sources said, but New York has the same reservations regarding that possible move as with the Victor Oladipo scenario we detailed Monday.





There's a faction of the Chicago front office that feels adding one piece such as DeRozan could push the Bulls firmly into the postseason, sources said.
And the Orlando Magic have discussed trading Evan Fournier, also on an expiring deal, plus a first-round pick for DeRozan, as the four-time All-Star could re-sign and help bolster the Magic once their roster returns to full health next season.
Multiple league sources mentioned Trey Lyles and his representatives are interested in a new destination for the 25-year-old forward and that the Spurs are also open to moving Rudy Gay in the final year of his contract.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937698-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-nbas-top-buyout-candidates

[Degoat]

So the spurs are open to trading guys.... but will they!!!! Lol

[Dejounte]

So the spurs are open to trading guys.... but will they!!!! Lol


It's Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt.

My idea for a Bulls trade:

DeMar, Lyles
for
Otto Porter Jr., Lauri Markkannen, their 1st round pick

Honestly, the proposed trade with Orlando isn't bad. I'll take Fournier and their 1st for DeRozan.

[cd021]

Atlanta not doing that trade nor any Spurs fan dream scenario
Think that trade is more realistic. They swap Bogdanic and his 3 remaining years for DeMar, with the ablity to re-sign DeMar.

While Walker and a possible late lottery pick for Collins. It seems pretty clear that they aren't willing to max him, meaning that they'll lose him. Walker and, say, the 14th pick for Collins is a pretty competitive offer.

[cd021]

The San Antonio Spurs have made it clear that LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan are available via trade, according to league sources. Gregg Popovich, of course, announced Aldridge and San Antonio's mutual interest to part ways, yet the rumblings surrounding his destination have remained quiet.

Only the Celtics and Miami Heat have been consistently mentioned by league personnel as teams with significant interest in Aldridge. And similar to the Drummond situation, it seems both franchises may be content to wait to add his services on the buyout market. The Heat are expected to make a spirited pursuit of Aldridge if he does become a free agent, but the Celtics could offer a primary frontcourt role in Brad Stevens' offense. "That sounds like their No. 1 priority," one team scout said.

DeRozan is also playing out the final year of his contract, and sources said he has an interest in playing elsewhere following this season—perhaps with an eye toward the Eastern Conference. DeRozan is quietly having an exceptional season, scoring 20.3 points per game on 49.1 percent shooting and boasting a 7.5-to-1.7 assist-to-turnover ratio. "He's transformed himself into this swing playmaker," one team analytics staffer said.

The likelihood appears low that DeRozan will reach a buyout with San Antonio, but by all accounts his time with the Spurs seems to be nearing its end.
The ever-active Knicks have considered acquiring DeRozan, sources said, but New York has the same reservations regarding that possible move as with the Victor Oladipo scenario we detailed Monday.





There's a faction of the Chicago front office that feels adding one piece such as DeRozan could push the Bulls firmly into the postseason, sources said.
And the Orlando Magic have discussed trading Evan Fournier, also on an expiring deal, plus a first-round pick for DeRozan, as the four-time All-Star could re-sign and help bolster the Magic once their roster returns to full health next season.
Multiple league sources mentioned Trey Lyles and his representatives are interested in a new destination for the 25-year-old forward and that the Spurs are also open to moving Rudy Gay in the final year of his contract.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937698-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-nbas-top-buyout-candidates


And the Orlando Magic have discussed trading Evan Fournier, also on an expiring deal, plus a first-round pick for DeRozan

Don't do it, don't give me hope.

Interesting about Lyles, Spurs seem to really like him but he can't seem to can't get on the court. Ironically, he was on his way out of the league before he signed with the Spurs last season.

[mo7888]

The San Antonio Spurs have made it clear that LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan are available via trade, according to league sources. Gregg Popovich, of course, announced Aldridge and San Antonio's mutual interest to part ways, yet the rumblings surrounding his destination have remained quiet.

Only the Celtics and Miami Heat have been consistently mentioned by league personnel as teams with significant interest in Aldridge. And similar to the Drummond situation, it seems both franchises may be content to wait to add his services on the buyout market. The Heat are expected to make a spirited pursuit of Aldridge if he does become a free agent, but the Celtics could offer a primary frontcourt role in Brad Stevens' offense. "That sounds like their No. 1 priority," one team scout said.

DeRozan is also playing out the final year of his contract, and sources said he has an interest in playing elsewhere following this season—perhaps with an eye toward the Eastern Conference. DeRozan is quietly having an exceptional season, scoring 20.3 points per game on 49.1 percent shooting and boasting a 7.5-to-1.7 assist-to-turnover ratio. "He's transformed himself into this swing playmaker," one team analytics staffer said.

The likelihood appears low that DeRozan will reach a buyout with San Antonio, but by all accounts his time with the Spurs seems to be nearing its end.
The ever-active Knicks have considered acquiring DeRozan, sources said, but New York has the same reservations regarding that possible move as with the Victor Oladipo scenario we detailed Monday.





There's a faction of the Chicago front office that feels adding one piece such as DeRozan could push the Bulls firmly into the postseason, sources said.
And the Orlando Magic have discussed trading Evan Fournier, also on an expiring deal, plus a first-round pick for DeRozan, as the four-time All-Star could re-sign and help bolster the Magic once their roster returns to full health next season.
Multiple league sources mentioned Trey Lyles and his representatives are interested in a new destination for the 25-year-old forward and that the Spurs are also open to moving Rudy Gay in the final year of his contract.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937698-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-nbas-top-buyout-candidates

Yes please...

[mo7888]

It's Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt.

My idea for a Bulls trade:

DeMar, Lyles
for
Otto Porter Jr., Lauri Markkannen, their 1st round pick

Honestly, the proposed trade with Orlando isn't bad. I'll take Fournier and their 1st for DeRozan.

I'm good with either of those...

[cd021]

Don't forget wasting a 1st round pick on Milutinov because they didn't want extra salary on the roster that year and opted to stash somebody they never intended to bring over

That never ceases not to piss me off. They didn't need to stash anyone, and missed out on players like Nance Jr., Harrell and Josh Richardson going with that strategy. Complete waste of a first.

[Dejounte]

If we put the pieces together,

This new information aligns with the insider from the Atlanta board.

I feel that the Atlanta insider would have known if it was DeMar going to Atlanta.

So, I believe a trade with the Bulls or the Magic is more plausible for DeMar.

Again, talks always fall through so don't get your hopes up even if this is all legitimate.

[FutureMan]

The Orlando trade would look more like this:

ORL: DeRozan
SAS: Fournier, Aminu, & ORL pick

Id be ok with a pick swap for 2021 considering Orlando is looking rough this year but I have a feeling they would want to send a highly protected (useless) pick that turns into two second rounders.

[Degoat]

I’m skeptical why Orlando would trade a first for a Potential rental in Demar... when they’re getting rid of Fournier and Gordon

[Dejounte]

I’m skeptical why Orlando would trade a first for a Potential rental in Demar... when they’re getting rid of Fournier and Gordon

The assumption is DeMar gives his blessing to the trade and lets his next team know that he'll re-sign.

[exstatic]

The Orlando trade would look more like this:

ORL: DeRozan
SAS: Fournier, Aminu, & ORL pick

Id be ok with a pick swap for 2021 considering Orlando is looking rough this year but I have a feeling they would want to send a highly protected (useless) pick that turns into two second rounders.

Most of the time, that conversion only happens in the 3rd or 4th year. It would go something like

Top 3
Top 10
Lottery
Convert to 2 second rounders

[mo7888]

The assumption is DeMar gives his blessing to the trade and lets his next team know that he'll re-sign.

It also sounds like DDR 's representation is working with the Spurs to get it done..

[PrimeMinister]

Orlando to make that deal worth it needs to be an unprotected pick or a swap that conveys no matter what this year. Gordon would be ok but he’s overrated and doesn’t move the needle much for the spurs in the next season and a half.

Chicago I like. They have an expiring that makes the salary easy and a desirable young player hitting RFA the FO can plug in this year- the fit is obvious in the current construction of the team, and you’re not committed to any long term $ right now and can set the terms of what you’re willing to pay. You don’t lose derozan for nothing and you can see a trial run of how Lauri fits in this team before you go out and pay him. The idea of a shooting 4 who can slide over and play the 5 when necessary is really, really enticing to me especially when you see the possibilities in a post Demar world.

Lyles requesting a trade is an obvious outcome of the last week+ since his last start where he embarrassed himself on the court for the second straight game and squandered any minutes he had going forward. That nugget in the report lends some credibility to the rest and it’s the first I’ve seen it reported by anyone.

Lyles, Derozan to Chicago- Lauri and OPJ to SA. I think that’s a win/win assuming Demar is really looking at bigger market east teams where he can get easy all star selections in his mid 30s.

[Leetonidas]

I’m skeptical why Orlando would trade a first for a Potential rental in Demar... when they’re getting rid of Fournier and Gordon


They just turned down two 1st rounders from Boston for Gordon. ORL front office is not very smart it seems :lol

[exstatic]

They just turned down two 1st rounders from Boston for Gordon. ORL front office is not very smart it seems :lol

I heard that they’re still negotiating which first rounders. Boston has a few, plus their own.

[Dejounte]

Yeah, the high price on Aaron makes me think he's not coming to SA in any deal. The deal with ORL will likely be scrap parts and hopefully a high draft pick.

A DeMar + Vucevic + third piece they get from an Aaron Gordon trade isn't a bad core.

[Dex]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uLy4Bo680hZxm/200.gif

[cd021]

Reddish on the mend
The Hawks are offering second-year forward Cam Reddish, the No. 10 pick of the 2019 draft, in trade talks. Reddish, though, is still out with an Achilles injury suffered Feb. 21 and is expected to be out at least another month — if he ultimately doesn’t need surgery. Reddish is offering 11.2 points and four boards this season. — Joe Vardon

cd021 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36264)

Okongwu has been disappointing as per ATL fans, too.

They want to win now.

So Reddish is apparently available, I stand corrected. I still think they'll hold onto Okongwu, young bigs are always a work in progress and a few trusted scouts had ranked higher than Wiseman in terms of potential.

Collins makes more sense as a trade target from ATL, it seems pretty clear that they don't want him and they don't want to lose a young player who is coveted around the league for nothing. Spurs could make a competitive trade offer, but the question is would they?



It's Bleacher Report, so take it with a grain of salt.

My idea for a Bulls trade:

DeMar, Lyles
for
Otto Porter Jr., Lauri Markkannen, their 1st round pick

Honestly, the proposed trade with Orlando isn't bad. I'll take Fournier and their 1st for DeRozan.

-They'd have to not want to re-sign/ over-pay for Lauri to move him in that deal or really covet DeRozan.

-Their pick could/would be around 12th, that's a lot for them to give up with packaged with Markkannen.

-OPJ and the Bulls pick for DeMar actually is a pretty decent package. OPJ is a pretty good rotation player while the Spurs get a probably lottery pick in a good draft for DeMar--who may not want to re-sign.

The Fournier and a 1st for DeMar makes sense on paper, Fournier is solid and the Spurs might want to re-sign him. DeMar would help Orlando a ton too. The pick protections would probably be the issue, the Magic is currently the 4th worst team in the NBA. That pick is certain to be top 5 protected, maybe top 10.

[Dejounte]

So Reddish is apparently available, I stand corrected. I still think they'll hold onto Okongwu, young bigs are always a work in progress and a few trusted scouts had ranked higher than Wiseman in terms of potential.

Collins makes more sense as a trade target from ATL, it seems pretty clear that they don't want him and they don't want to lose a young player who is coveted around the league for nothing. Spurs could make a competitive trade offer, but the question is would they?




I believe they've changed their minds on JC:

"The Atlanta Hawks have told inquiring teams that they intend to match contract offers for John Collins this offseason, according to Brian Windhorst of ESPN."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261911/Hawks-Put-Out-Signals-They-Intend-To-Match-Any-John-Collins-Offer-Sheet

[cd021]

The Orlando trade would look more like this:

ORL: DeRozan
SAS: Fournier, Aminu, & ORL pick

Id be ok with a pick swap for 2021 considering Orlando is looking rough this year but I have a feeling they would want to send a highly protected (useless) pick that turns into two second rounders.

That seems fairly realistic tbh.

For Orlando: They get DeMar to pair with Vucevic, and save $10 million next season of basically dead salary in Aminu

For Spurs: Get a solid player, who they might want re-sign plus a potentially very good lottery pick.

Pick protections are key though. Probably at least top 5 protected in 2021

[mo7888]

Do both:

https://tradenba.com/trades/wwJSS0uyz

I'm doubting Orlando really wants to give their 1st for ddr to play along side Fultz... but they have to sell Fournier if they don't buy...a 2nd and a young development player might do it.

[cd021]

I believe they've changed their minds on JC:

"The Atlanta Hawks have told inquiring teams that they intend to match contract offers for John Collins this offseason, according to Brian Windhorst of ESPN."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261911/Hawks-Put-Out-Signals-They-Intend-To-Match-Any-John-Collins-Offer-Sheet


Interesting, though they kinda have to say that. If teams at least think there's a chance that they'd match in the off-season, then it gives them motivation to try and trade for him now, rather than risk the Hawks matching or another team signing him to a max offer sheet and getting him if the Hawks balk.

[PrimeMinister]

If I’m the magic - there’s 0 ability to sign derozan in the offseason

They have Nikola Vucevic under contract for the next 2 seasons - they need to make some move to move in the direction of “winning now” despite being one of the worst teams in basketball if they plan to hang on to Vuc and build around him as reported. Maybe a lottery pick this year gets you a Scottie Barnes that is just a world beater right off the bat- but likely it’s going to be a bit of a project that doesn’t immediately contribute to winning games.

The best player realistically available right now is derozan. If he’s locked up in the summer, Orlando has missed their boat, and with no money to spend, they are not a contender to sign him. There’s a legit conversation to be had in the magic FO if they want to remain somewhat relevant over the course of the next few years that ditching a potential project pick for an established star is the right play within the timeframe of the team (Vucevic). If they trade for derozan they can be a quasi relevant small market team with two “stars” in derozan and Vucevic instead the perennial 12 seed they are looking to be in the coming years.

Spurs have an actual market for Derozan with teams that don’t have cap space to sign him this summer and they should strike while the iron is hot now. No guarantee Danny Ainge is calling in late June.

[cd021]

Do both:

https://tradenba.com/trades/wwJSS0uyz

I'm doubting Orlando really wants to give their 1st for ddr to play along side Fultz... but they have to sell Fournier if they don't buy...a 2nd and a young development player might do it.

The Magic would be trading Fournier for Gay, Eubanks and a middling second, I don't think they'd do that deal.

[Dejounte]

This may connect to the BR report:

Bulls listening to Markkanen suitors
Teams have expressed interest in Bulls forward Lauri Markkanen, and Chicago is listening to potential suitors, sources said. Markkanen has had a bounce-back season for the Bulls, averaging 17.7 points and six rebounds per game while shooting nearly 40 percent from 3-point land. Markkanen will be a sought-after restricted free agent this offseason. — Shams Charania

https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders?source=user-shared-article

[mo7888]

The Magic would be trading Fournier for Gay, Eubanks and a middling second, I don't think they'd do that deal.

It just depends on the other offers but, I doubt they are getting more than a 2nd for him if they are sellers (which was my premise)

[The Truth #6]

If we put the pieces together,

This new information aligns with the insider from the Atlanta board.

I feel that the Atlanta insider would have known if it was DeMar going to Atlanta.

So, I believe a trade with the Bulls or the Magic is more plausible for DeMar.

Again, talks always fall through so don't get your hopes up even if this is all legitimate.

At one point Detroit was a potential destination for DDR...are you reading any chatter about that as an option?

[SpursStar]

This should’ve been done way earlier lol. Why play into playoff contention and blow it
up when you should’ve just been bad from the start? Especially since I’m sure most of these players weren’t fully satisfied with the situation months ago.

[Dverde]

The assumption is DeMar gives his blessing to the trade and lets his next team know that he'll re-sign.

This makes more sense for ATL. A team going into the playoffs. Orlando would be dumb to trade a pick for a non-playoff team this year.

[PrimeMinister]

This should’ve been done way earlier lol. Why play into playoff contention and blow it
up when you should’ve just been bad from the start? Especially since I’m sure most of these players weren’t fully satisfied with the situation months ago.

Because most trade talks until the deadline are all posturing and smoke

I also really do think something like a Derozan/Lauri trade has win/win potential for both teams and the players involved which is exactly the type of trade PATFO would engage in.

[PrimeMinister]

This makes more sense for ATL. A team going into the playoffs. Orlando would be dumb to trade a pick for a non-playoff team this year.

Bad teams do really dumb things. Like refuse to trade Aaron Gordon year after year until he formally requests a trade from the team while you’re doing the same thing to Nikola Vucevic when you should be selling high and rebuilding ASAP.

[Dverde]

The obvious trade is D. White, LMA (buyout), draft pick for Vucevic. If the Magic want to blow it up, White would be a good piece to build a new team with.

[szkorhetz]

The obvious trade is D. White, LMA (buyout), draft pick for Vucevic. If the Magic want to blow it up, White would be a good piece to build a new team with.
Fuck no.

[SpursStar]

Because most trade talks until the deadline are all posturing and smoke

I also really do think something like a Derozan/Lauri trade has win/win potential for both teams and the players involved which is exactly the type of trade PATFO would engage in.

Of course. But smoke of DeMar wanting to be elsewhere has been happening. He denied it, but most professionals wouldn’t openly confirm. LMA hasn’t looked engaged either. I just think at some point you have to decide if you want to compete or be a lower level team. The top of this draft class would be the most talented guys on the roster day 1, why not rip the band-aid off when you weren’t fully committed to paying DeMar?

[PrimeMinister]

The obvious trade is D. White, LMA (buyout), draft pick for Vucevic. If the Magic want to blow it up, White would be a good piece to build a new team with.

Obvious trade to who?

Spurs starting 2 who just re-upped on a new deal and a pick for a big man under contract for 2 years AND I’m assuming the spurs first

Are you serious or are you just DWhite drama baiting

[mo7888]

The obvious trade is D. White, LMA (buyout), draft pick for Vucevic. If the Magic want to blow it up, White would be a good piece to build a new team with.

White is under a poison pill contract at the moment...he can't really be moved easily.

[PrimeMinister]

Of course. But smoke of DeMar wanting to be elsewhere has been happening. He denied it, but most professionals wouldn’t openly confirm. LMA hasn’t looked engaged either. I just think at some point you have to decide if you want to compete or be a lower level team. The top of this draft class would be the most talented guys on the roster day 1, why not rip the band-aid off when you weren’t fully committed to paying DeMar?

Other teams are also waiting for the deadline to see how their own teams shake out and start making players available. It takes 2 to tango.

[spurraider21]

Feels like every team except the spurs are in one big group text where they float trades

[Prime BEEF]

Think an Atlanta deal would be interesting. Not a big fan of dealing with Orlando or Chicago if they aren’t going to give up vuc, Gordon or LaVine

[Dverde]

Obvious trade to who?

Spurs starting 2 who just re-upped on a new deal and a pick for a big man under contract for 2 years AND I’m assuming the spurs first

Are you serious or are you just DWhite drama baiting

If the plan is to re-sign DDR in the offseason, I see White being the piece to trade for a big. Just IMO, DJ has a smaller contract and has been more of a leader. It’s this crazy concept of trading pieces when they are high in value. The idea that Derrick is untouchable for trades is ridiculous.

[PrimeMinister]

Think an Atlanta deal would be interesting. Not a big fan of dealing with Orlando or Chicago if they aren’t going to give up vuc, Gordon or LaVine

Those are the 3 players I would want to target least in a trade

Star for star trades like that are also incredibly uncommon in the nba. Usually it’s one team getting the established player and the other side getting a combination of salary and young prospects.

Gordon is almost a rental with a season and a half of team control. Vuc is 30 and is under contract for 2 more years. Lavine, sure, but that’s just not a realistic scenario.

A player on a rookie deal with potential that fits the timeline of the roster + expiring salary and maybe a pick to sweeten the deal is where the sights should be set.

[PrimeMinister]

If the plan is to re-sign DDR in the offseason, I see White being the piece to trade for a big. Just IMO, DJ has a smaller contract and has been more of a leader. It’s this crazy concept of trading pieces when they are high in value. The idea that Derrick is untouchable for trades is ridiculous.

DW is subject to the poison pill provision right now, and has had a down year with injuries and covid to this point but looks to be on the right track with his performances last night and against the cavaliers in the fourth.

the idea of the 2021 deadline being the “sell high” period for Derrick white is ridiculous.

[Dejounte]

From the ATL insider:

Regarding Bagley for Collins rumor:
They were shopping him for an all star level big. I hear that much. Nothing about him being shopped for Collins. He wouldn't fit what Atlanta does. This is a PnR based team. That said, with our recent adjustment to more back to the basket play, he might be a much better fit than he would have been under LP.

Regarding John Collins staying or going:
That said, I haven't heard nothing on the Collins front other than it's extremely unlikely he will be moved.

Dispels the Cam Reddish rumors:


Outside of a potential Tony Snell trade. I haven't really heard Atlanta is closing in on nothing. Atlanta wants a key rotation player in exchange for Snell. New Orleans/Bledsoe has come up. From the sounds of it, Rondo is another player that could be moved. He just has limited interest as well as Bruno. The thing about Rondo, is he has tremendous rep in the locker room. Atlanta likes him and with Dunn's return, it seems like they might just do nothing at all this deadline.
I would say, Bruno could still be moved but Atlanta isn't willing to seriously trade a real 2nd rounder. He might end up being released.
A lot of teams are calling the Hawks, we got a lot of players teams want but no one really values our players the way we do or at least the offers don't say it.
Because we are a buyer, are players are pricey. Teams want discounted players. That's just not where we stand. Prepare to be bored.
I will say, the Lonzo Ball market is heating up. We aren't in it of course. The entire Cam Reddish shit is some BS from NO mouth to push what type of offers they want. They want a young player with legit potential or a lottery ranged pick for Ball. The lottery pick range might happen. Chicago is strongly considering offering one.
Teams have called Atlanta and been blowing our phones up nonetheless is what he said.
We are one of the most called teams with Houston, Toronto, Orlando, and New Orleans.
Toronto is seriously going to make some moves. I am hearing FVV and Siakam are also on the market.
The Kings is the name that's buying that's crazy. They aren't willing to trade a 1st but they are willing to trade major assets outside of Haliburton and Fox to build a team. Watch for the Kings for Siakam and Powell.
It's hard as hell to get a lottery area 1st in this draft. Everyone wants one but no one is trading them.

Siakam being available is interesting.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uLy4Bo680hZxm/200.gif

They mentioned on the Spurs broadcast last night that the last time the Spurs made a move at the trade deadline that it involved the blockbuster trade of Nando de Colo for Austin Daye.

Pretty awesome sauce, and hard to beat that one. Probably why we haven't seen another deal in over 7 years. They set the bar too high.

[Dverde]

They mentioned on the Spurs broadcast last night that the last time the Spurs made a move at the trade deadline that it involved the blockbuster trade of Nando de Colo for Austin Daye.

Pretty awesome sauce, and hard to beat that one. Probably why we haven't seen another deal in over 7 years. They set the bar too high.

Nando De Colo also demanded a trade. Cost himself a championship ring.

[Dejounte]

At one point Detroit was a potential destination for DDR...are you reading any chatter about that as an option?

Found nothing. That one point you're describing was the time he made a post about it on social media, no? May not have been credible...

[Dejounte]

How could I miss this:

More heat:
I do have an update on DeRozan. Charlotte is in on him as they been the last two years. They like the idea of Hayward, Ball, and DeRozan.
I am hearing DeRozan will be dirt cheap too. Like, dirt cheap. He could be had to a average potential younger prospect (Monk, Knight, Bruno) and an expiring contract and they would prefer is an useful rotational player if available. DeRozan is basically how should I put it, heavily discounted.
If Atlanta does trade Bogi. It will be for DeRozan in my eyes and no, Atlanta has not made an offer for DeRozan. Although they have spoke to San Antonio about him.
Oladipo I am being told is massively overpriced. Teams expect his value to come down or Houston will keep him. He might not be traded after all. There is this idea Houston still wants to win games. They don't want to rebuild. He is saying people don't think Houston is truly selling. They want a lot of value in return.
Charlotte is willing to move Rozier for an all star level big man. They offered Rozier to Atlanta for JC/Snell as well. They are targeting Sabonis and Turner from Indy.
If Atlanta makes a move, Bogi for DeRozan might be as good as it gets.

[Dejounte]

How could I miss this:

More heat:
I do have an update on DeRozan. Charlotte is in on him as they been the last two years. They like the idea of Hayward, Ball, and DeRozan.
I am hearing DeRozan will be dirt cheap too. Like, dirt cheap. He could be had to a average potential younger prospect (Monk, Knight, Bruno) and an expiring contract and they would prefer is an useful rotational player if available. DeRozan is basically how should I put it, heavily discounted.
If Atlanta does trade Bogi. It will be for DeRozan in my eyes and no, Atlanta has not made an offer for DeRozan. Although they have spoke to San Antonio about him.
Oladipo I am being told is massively overpriced. Teams expect his value to come down or Houston will keep him. He might not be traded after all. There is this idea Houston still wants to win games. They don't want to rebuild. He is saying people don't think Houston is truly selling. They want a lot of value in return.
Charlotte is willing to move Rozier for an all star level big man. They offered Rozier to Atlanta for JC/Snell as well. They are targeting Sabonis and Turner from Indy.
If Atlanta makes a move, Bogi for DeRozan might be as good as it gets.

Matches this:


Some perspective on Hawks news

As Nate McMillan has gotten the hawks playing better ball and as the FO has come to believe they will Not be able to keep Collins, Tony Nessler (owner) is really advocating acquiring a player that would allow them to make a small playoff push this year. The GM is trying to push back and prefers a more patient approach. There is a connection in their FO to Spurs, Magic, & DDR which all ties back to Toronto. I was told a certain person reached out to Weltman in Orlando because he is a mentor of sorts and wanted to discuss DDR and how to navigate the current situation. This person has strong connection to DDR and is more aligned with Hawks owner but the GM (forget name came over from Golden State) has been able to bring Nessler around to his way of thinking up to this point. So this person is trying to carefully have options in place to move on for owner while not being seen as not in agreement with GM. Anyway this person is very strong advocate for DDR if Hawks choose to make a bigger move and sounds like he has at least had unofficial discussion with someone in Spurs org. It sounded that there was interest from Spurs and the devil would be in the details of who is getting what picks/prospects, for the right package was told Hawks would consider moving one of Reddish, Huerter, or Okungwu. Also mentioned the Hawks would prefer to move Rondo over Snell (or move both) and while Rondo is not a big salary could kill a potential deal if real talks were to begin

Come back, SpaceCoast Spursfan

[John B]

Nando De Colo also demanded a trade. Cost himself a championship ring.

And still banging his head over it :lmao

[slick'81]

Gay,mills,demar and aldridge need to get the F out

[Dejounte]

More:

Toronto might not have one of these key guys past Wednesday.
FVV
Siakam
Lowry
Powell could be all gone.
Clippers don't have much to offer but they are being extremely aggressive trying to land a PG



-Doubt Toronto would want DeMar back if all of these guys are gone. I really want Siakam on the Spurs.

[slick'81]

Spurs need to really move on from demar already. This look of vets asking out and spurs not finding deals at the last min is getting stale af

[Dejounte]

Bogi with the Spurs would keep Keldon at the PF spot... ehh...

Dude is a really good shooter though.

[Dejounte]

ATL insider turning out to be legit. Just now:

"The Toronto Raptors fined star forward Pascal Siakam $50,000 for directing heated choice words toward head coach Nick Nurse after Sunday’s loss in Cleveland, sources tell The Athletic.The incident occurred while the Raptors were leaving the floor following an 11-point loss on Sunday night against the Cavaliers, Stemming from the frustration amid what is now a nine-game losing streak, Siakam directed a verbal exchange toward Nurse, sources said. Several choice words were issued, according to multiple sources."

https://theathletic.com/news/raptors-fine-pascal-siakam-50k-for-verbal-exchange-with-nick-nurse-sources/PFLquJOwzSvK

HE GONE

[Dejounte]

Bogi at $18 Mil allows the Spurs to still go for a max contract (or less) player in the summer, I believe. Maybe they use that for Lauri.

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVvU5vExx2E

Bogi is a dribble-once-then-shoot type player (similar to Klay). He wouldn't take away from our dribble heavy guards.

[LeBowen]

Bogi at $18 Mil allows the Spurs to still go for a max contract (or less) player in the summer, I believe. Maybe they use that for Lauri.

He has a trade kicker. Not going to happen. And he'd be redundant. Another guard? Nope.

Idk, there's too many options, but we all know none will happen. :lmao

If DDR stays, we'll probably do S&T in the summer, which is fine.
For me, the most important thing is that LMA, Gay and Lyles are gone.
Hopefully Patty, too. But that's a pipe dream.

And we really need another big, regardless of who leaves.

[Dejounte]

He has a trade kicker. Not going to happen. And he'd be redundant. Another guard? Nope.

Idk, there's too many options, but we all know none will happen. :lmao

If DDR stays, we'll probably do S&T in the summer, which is fine.
For me, the most important thing is that LMA, Gay and Lyles are gone.
Hopefully Patty, too. But that's a pipe dream.

And we really need another big, regardless of who leaves.

I'm just the messenger, man.

Bogi seems big enough to play SF.

I don't think trade kickers are as much of an obstacle as we think they are. Plus, they can be waived by the player.

[rankingtear]

He has a trade kicker. Not going to happen. And he'd be redundant. Another guard? Nope.

Idk, there's too many options, but we all know none will happen. :lmao

If DDR stays, we'll probably do S&T in the summer, which is fine.
For me, the most important thing is that LMA, Gay and Lyles are gone.
Hopefully Patty, too. But that's a pipe dream.

And we really need another big, regardless of who leaves.

6'6 220

[Trill Clinton]

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[EasyMoney]

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Fuck. He's too valuable to let go. What are the spurs going to do now?

[cd98]

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I heard he wants to go to a contender and play in a big market where he can get those advertising dollars.

[rankingtear]

Yeah Bogi is perfect. Off screen 78 percentile. Can create his own shot, good passer. Big enough to play the SF spot.

[John B]

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Nooooo. Not Lyles too :cry

[RD2191]

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:rollin

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374415695723687937

[szkorhetz]

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Bye.

[Seventyniner]

ATL insider turning out to be legit. Just now:

"The Toronto Raptors fined star forward Pascal Siakam $50,000 for directing heated choice words toward head coach Nick Nurse after Sunday’s loss in Cleveland, sources tell The Athletic.The incident occurred while the Raptors were leaving the floor following an 11-point loss on Sunday night against the Cavaliers, Stemming from the frustration amid what is now a nine-game losing streak, Siakam directed a verbal exchange toward Nurse, sources said. Several choice words were issued, according to multiple sources."

https://theathletic.com/news/raptors-fine-pascal-siakam-50k-for-verbal-exchange-with-nick-nurse-sources/PFLquJOwzSvK

HE GONE

It doesn't help that the Raps lost to the R:lolckets last night. Nobody likes being the team that snaps the opponent's 20-game losing streak. The Raps were pissed after the game.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374415695723687937

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1374417191051829254

[Leetonidas]

rofl at Lyles wanting out. Dude is lucky to even be on a roster :lol what kind of scrub asks for a trade. smh

[PrimeMinister]

Siakam got rewarded with a big deal after being a piece to good teams and once the team fell apart and he was tasked to be “the guy” the perception of him as a player has fallen in Toronto.

Raptors have room under the cap but likely don’t have max room or enough space to make a serious run at Demar if that’s where their head is at.

Would siakam’s guaranteed money left on the deal be enough to make Toronto move him? Does not having enough space to sign back Demar in the offseason give them a reason to pursue a trade right now? Nah. Not gonna happen unfortunately.

It’d be pretty funny to come full circle and essentially end up getting siakam as part of the Kawhi return though and the fit is there.

[PrimeMinister]

Trey Lyles is just trying to find PT to salvage his career at this point.

He was very keen on staying here preseason with some of his workout comments from camp. Seemed like there might be room for him to cement himself in the rotation but has fallen apart as of late and regressed greatly.

Maybe if he goes to a tanking team he can play enough to figure things out. I think the ship has sailed though.

[Dverde]

rofl at Lyles wanting out. Dude is lucky to even be on a roster :lol what kind of scrub asks for a trade. smh

He’ll be in China in two years. One more team will give him a chance. He whines too much to stay on the bench.

[Dverde]

If Demar does want out. Spurs leading the league with trade requests.

[Truckules]

Siakam got rewarded with a big deal after being a piece to good teams and once the team fell apart and he was tasked to be “the guy” the perception of him as a player has fallen in Toronto.

Raptors have room under the cap but likely don’t have max room or enough space to make a serious run at Demar if that’s where their head is at.

Would siakam’s guaranteed money left on the deal be enough to make Toronto move him? Does not having enough space to sign back Demar in the offseason give them a reason to pursue a trade right now? Nah. Not gonna happen unfortunately.

It’d be pretty funny to come full circle and essentially end up getting siakam as part of the Kawhi return though and the fit is there.

I was about to ask the same question. Would the Raptors do something like Demar and Lonnie for Pascal? Pascal's value in Toronto is at an all-time low, and I'm sure the fans would be happy to have Demar back. They'd probably want assurances that Demar would resign at a reasonable price, but I think Demar would be willing to do that. They have very little cap space to improve the team right now so a trade is their best bet to course correct.

[SpursDynasty85]

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Seemed off that Eubanks was getting minutes over Lyles. Of course Lyles would want a change of scenery. It does look like he is trying to be a good teammate but obviously it is hard for him. Eubanks has been playing just fine but not sure if he is going to get much better but hopefully he continues to get better.

[The Truth #6]

I heard he wants to go to a contender and play in a big market where he can get those advertising dollars.

Beijing?

[Dex]

rofl at Lyles wanting out. Dude is lucky to even be on a roster :lol what kind of scrub asks for a trade. smh

T:lolday's NBA

Lyles needs the Danny Green treatment where he rots in the GLeague for a while. And he still will never be half the player DG was

[John B]

If Demar does want out. Spurs leading the league with trade requests.

That would not be good for the Spurs. Already not a hot FA destination.
I'm thinking PATFO has a deal going on if they're letting this leak like so.

[Ocotillo]

Lyles for a third string center would be helpful.

[Excessive Egotist]

Lyles for a third string center would be helpful.


Lyles for Lyles then.

[exstatic]

The obvious trade is D. White, LMA (buyout), draft pick for Vucevic. If the Magic want to blow it up, White would be a good piece to build a new team with.

White is poison pilled until this summer. Very difficult to move.

[Dverde]

Dejounte may be next wanting out. He hates losing. After we get jack shit for our expiring contracts, we lose the play-in game, we don’t get any restricted free agents, bring in Al Horford, lose a ton next year, then use our #5 pick on a PG :lol

[Dejounte]

Dejounte may be next wanting out. He hates losing. After we get jack shit for our expiring contracts, we lose the play-in game, we don’t get any restricted free agents, bring in Al Horford, lose a ton next year, then use our #5 pick on a PG :lol

Bruh, you must be really fun to be around.

[exstatic]

Nando De Colo also demanded a trade. Cost himself a championship ring.

Well, bitch ass Aldridge is this year, too.

[EasyMoney]

No way toronto trades pascal. No inclination he wants out. Likely just frustration from the losing streak. Although would be nice.

[RD2191]

Dejounte may be next wanting out. He hates losing. After we get jack shit for our expiring contracts, we lose the play-in game, we don’t get any restricted free agents, bring in Al Horford, lose a ton next year, then use our #5 pick on a PG :lol
tbh

[EasyMoney]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374439732734660614?s=19

[mo7888]

At this point...why not...

https://tradenba.com/trades/SppvGO1ka

[lmbebo]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937698-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-nbas-top-buyout-candidates

[Truckules]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374439732734660614?s=19

This trade doesn't work since the salary differential is off by $10 mil. There'd have to be another piece coming from the Magic.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374439732734660614?s=19

Do it Pop

[PhantomDashCam]

If Indiana was indeed to make Sabonis available, he would be my dream 4.

https://sports.yahoo.com/pacers-listening-to-pitches-on-malcolm-brogdon-and-domantas-sabonis-could-be-next-152738942.html

Multiple teams are saying the Indiana Pacers are listening to pitches on Malcolm Brogdon and are monitoring Domantas Sabonis as well.

[Mr. Body]

I would hate to do DeRozan dirty by sending him to the Magic. Of course he could jet in the offseason.

[B1gduff]

I wonder if we can possiablity get Demar to agreed to an extension with another team while accepting a trade.
I actually thing the Hawks are a perfect trade partners and also a team that could fit Demar's play style, With Youngs ability to stretch the floor.
If we can get Demar to agreed, it could also increase his trade value, and the hawks are a deep team.
I posted this in the Demar trade rumor, but will also post it here.

Demar and Lyles
for
gallinari, Reddish, Okongwu, with one 1st round pick or if we can get another round pick.

I personally thing that Galli has more value to us than Bogan. The only issue is if the Hawks will be willing to send both Reddish or Okongwu and a 1st round pick

[mo7888]

At this point...why not...

https://tradenba.com/trades/SppvGO1ka

Or

https://tradenba.com/trades/EUz5gc-Nl

[Dverde]

Here’s another one...minus draft pick compensations.

https://tradenba.com/trades/I_Rlqn4NS

[mo7888]

Here’s another one...minus draft pick compensations.

https://tradenba.com/trades/I_Rlqn4NS

How many 1st's are we getting unprotected? 3 or 4?

[KingKev]

Lyles for Lyles then.

Both sides lose

[Robz4000]

Spurs are gonna trade DePression and Gay for a bag of chips and give LMA his full pay in a buyout. Then we'll get to listen to Pop gush about their high character and current events while playing Patty Mills at center 38 minutes a game with Samanic getting DNP-CDs.

[KingKev]

At this point...why not...

https://tradenba.com/trades/SppvGO1ka

I guess my counter argument without wasting most ppl’s time would be WHY?!?

[Dverde]

Lyles is the guy on vacation who is at the front desk complaining about the towels. He’ll never be satisfied.

[mo7888]

I guess my counter argument without wasting most ppl’s time would be WHY?!?

The why would be because we could compete more effectively in the west...the why not would be because resigning them would cost alot...

[Dverde]

“There’s a faction of the Chicago front office that feels adding one piece such as DeRozan could push the Bulls firmly into the postseason, sources said,” wrote (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937698-what-inside-sources-are-saying-about-nbas-top-buyout-candidates?share=other) Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report.

[widowmaker]

Bleacher report lmao!!!

[itzsoweezee]

I would hate to do DeRozan dirty by sending him to the Magic. Of course he could jet in the offseason.

No one is trading for demar unless indicates he’ll extend with them