NBA Trade Deadline: 2020-21 Season

[Seventyniner]

Has anyone been traded more than Trevor Ariza?

According to this article, no. Ariza has been traded 10 times and this Heat/Thunder deal would make 11. Second place is Chris Gatling and Dale Ellis with 8.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/trevor-ariza-is-now-the-all-time-leader-in-trades/

[Ocotillo]

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Sources: The Heat and Thunder are discussing a trade that’d send Trevor Ariza to Miami. OKC is seeking a second round pick for Ariza from the numerous playoff teams with interest.

People bitch about PATFO signing aging vets but you got to admit, Riles likes him some walking dead type of vets. Ariza? Iggy?

[Degoat]

How can a team convince themselves into Ariza but not LMA?!?

[Teamduncan21]

How can a team convince themselves into Ariza but not LMA?!?

price

[DAF86]

If Ariza gets you a 2nd rounder, we need to get at least that for Aldridge (probably more, tbh).

Aldridge isn't only a decent rotation big for contenders, he's also a huge expiring deal. His value shouldn't be as low as PATFO is making it seem with their incompetence at getting trades done.

[td4mvp2k]

Lauri Markkanen anyone? Bulls may not want to pay him. Cost is precious future draft picks.

we got him. poor man luka.

[BackHome]

His shooting numbers are up, but damn, he seems to be a bit of a China doll. Only played 17 games so far, and never more than 68 in his 4 seasons.

As Exstatic mentioned the guy is a China Doll so far he has been out 4 weeks with a shoulder injury last year it was fracture on his hip- Yeah a hard pass for me and no way in hell would I add a pick to get this guy definitely not worth it.

[PhantomDashCam]

No Precious tonight for Miami...Played in their 3 previous games...They blew out the Cavs btw
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[spurs1990]

For those interested in Houston's 17 game losing streak, evidently they lose their pick if it's not top four. Explains the blantant tanking losing to the woeful Hawks tonight.

[exstatic]

For those interested in Houston's 17 game losing streak, evidently they lose their pick if it's not top four. Explains the blantant tanking losing to the woeful Hawks tonight.

Teams IN the top 4 get knocked OUT every year at lottery time, usually a couple of them.

[Gibbz]

Hawks are low-key streaking right now. Don't know if they started so horrible because of injuries or what, cause they look pretty good on paper.

[PhantomDashCam]

For those interested in Houston's 17 game losing streak, evidently they lose their pick if it's not top four. Explains the blantant tanking losing to the woeful Hawks tonight.

Yeah even the commentators appear in on the act. Played Oladipo 41 mins to (hopefully) up his trade value and they were going crazy about his new season high. :lol

[Dverde]

If Ariza gets you a 2nd rounder, we need to get at least that for Aldridge (probably more, tbh).

Aldridge isn't only a decent rotation big for contenders, he's also a huge expiring deal. His value shouldn't be as low as PATFO is making it seem with their incompetence at getting trades done.

Well this same front office got nothing for Davis Bertrans. Not even a second rounder. I’d gladly take a 2nd rounder since Spurs are selling low.

[Seventyniner]

Random thought while watching Pels/Blazers: if, instead of Pelicans, they had named the team the New Orleans Krewe with the Mardi Gras color scheme (green/purple/gold), I would have bought a jersey. Maybe even two. And I never buy jerseys. What a missed opportunity.

[Seventyniner]

Well this same front office got nothing for Davis Bertrans. Not even a second rounder. I’d gladly take a 2nd rounder since Spurs are selling low.

The Spurs had to dump Bertans's contract on a team with cap space to get the TE that let them get Carroll without using the MLE. That's also why Carroll got an extra year on his deal compared to what they originally negotiated (sign-and-trade contracts can't be shorter than 3 years iirc). It was the fact that Bertans had value by himself that allowed the Spurs to dump him without giving up an asset. They were never going to get one in return imo.

[ace3g]

No Precious tonight for Miami...Played in their 3 previous games...They blew out the Cavs btw
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Avery Bradley also is not traveling.
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[Degoat]

Hmmmmm Interesting!

[Mr. Body]

It's clear Miami will be making moves. Whether for one or two of our own, of course, entirely up to question.

[Thomas82]

If Ariza gets you a 2nd rounder, we need to get at least that for Aldridge (probably more, tbh).

Aldridge isn't only a decent rotation big for contenders, he's also a huge expiring deal. His value shouldn't be as low as PATFO is making it seem with their incompetence at getting trades done.

[PhantomDashCam]

Some incentive for Miami to make a move prior to March 25th deadline too.


The trade exception issue: The Heat’s $7.5 million trade exception — acquired in last February’s Jae Crowder deal with Memphis — expires March 22, and it allows Miami to acquire a player earning up to that amount without necessarily needing to send away anything other than a future second-round pick.

https://www.miamiherald.com/article249744908.html

[LCM]

If Cleveland called up Brian Wright and had the offer on the table to take on Love's deal for their unprotected pick this year you take it. With how they are trending its top 5 or close to it and gives you a better chance than the spurs have otherwise of drafting in the top 3.

4 years of a rookie contract+RFA for taking on 2 years of Love's deal? That expires before the next major FA class in 2023? You kidding me?

But, at the end of the day, its just a hypothetical and not likely to materialize. Cleveland ownership will have to pay tax though if they want to keep Allen and that in and of itself might be enough for them to be bailing water out of their cap obligations. Maybe you actually could get 2 firsts out of em. Point I'm trying to make is a situation like that is the only place to really extract value out of LA right now, and it's not by virtue of his on court contributions.

Cleveland wanted to get a return on Love, but his calf injury this season has screwed his value to the league. Now they would have to pay just to get rid of his contract. Cleveland has multiple 2nd rd picks from 2023-27 but that's window dressing. The price is the Cavs 2021 1st rd pick, UNPROTECTED. They want to resign Allen, Sexton is entering his extension window, and Drummond's salary coming off their books isn't going to cut it alone. However, you drop Drummond and Love, you could sign those two players and potentially make a run at John Collins in Free Agency.

Right now the Cavs are #5 in Tankathon draft standings. With the lottery odds, the pick could drop between 6-9. But, the pick could also be in the top 3, even 1. If two years of Love's contract is the door to walk through to get a Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga or a major return for the draft rights to said players, you have to look into that kind of deal!!

[venitian navigator]

If the reach an agreement with Cleveland in the sense of them paying sort of max to DDR and buying out LMA (so everybody is happy, ��) contract, a possible trade could be
LMA and DDR for Love, Drummond and their unprotected 2 pick 2021...

[rankingtear]

Tristian Thompson is a better finisher around the basketball than Jakob imo tho but Celtics ain’t trading with us

67 > 53

[ragas]

67 > 53

in favor of Jakob

[duncan2k5]

67 > 53

I was confused by this too...ppl must not see Tristan Thompson play...Jacob is DEFINITELY better

[exstatic]

If the reach an agreement with Cleveland in the sense of them paying sort of max to DDR and buying out LMA (so everybody is happy, ��) contract, a possible trade could be
LMA and DDR for Love, Drummond and their unprotected 2 pick 2021...

Love and Drummond together constitute a barrel of radioactive roster death. I would throw up in my mouth just getting Love, but would tolerate it if their unprotected pick for this year came with it. Fuck no, under any condition, to Drummond.

[rankingtear]

Lauri Markkanen anyone? Bulls may not want to pay him. Cost is precious future draft picks.



PF who can't guard the perimeter are being forced to play center nowadays. The transition for him has already began, you would see his value deteriorate from here on out.

[exstatic]

PF who can't guard the perimeter are being forced to play center nowadays. The transition for him has already began, you would see his value deteriorate from here on out.

Which is why CHI is interested in moving him.

[ragas]

My deadline-wishlist: Trade LMA (Rudy, Patty) and somehow add picks for drafting Kai Jones.

[duncan2150]

PF who can't guard the perimeter are being forced to play center nowadays. The transition for him has already began, you would see his value deteriorate from here on out.


He's a C for me.

[itzsoweezee]

Cleveland wanted to get a return on Love, but his calf injury this season has screwed his value to the league. Now they would have to pay just to get rid of his contract. Cleveland has multiple 2nd rd picks from 2023-27 but that's window dressing. The price is the Cavs 2021 1st rd pick, UNPROTECTED. They want to resign Allen, Sexton is entering his extension window, and Drummond's salary coming off their books isn't going to cut it alone. However, you drop Drummond and Love, you could sign those two players and potentially make a run at John Collins in Free Agency.

Right now the Cavs are #5 in Tankathon draft standings. With the lottery odds, the pick could drop between 6-9. But, the pick could also be in the top 3, even 1. If two years of Love's contract is the door to walk through to get a Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga or a major return for the draft rights to said players, you have to look into that kind of deal!!

Absolutely. I don’t think the front office has the guts to do it, though.

[cjw]

Cleveland wanted to get a return on Love, but his calf injury this season has screwed his value to the league. Now they would have to pay just to get rid of his contract. Cleveland has multiple 2nd rd picks from 2023-27 but that's window dressing. The price is the Cavs 2021 1st rd pick, UNPROTECTED. They want to resign Allen, Sexton is entering his extension window, and Drummond's salary coming off their books isn't going to cut it alone. However, you drop Drummond and Love, you could sign those two players and potentially make a run at John Collins in Free Agency.

Right now the Cavs are #5 in Tankathon draft standings. With the lottery odds, the pick could drop between 6-9. But, the pick could also be in the top 3, even 1. If two years of Love's contract is the door to walk through to get a Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga or a major return for the draft rights to said players, you have to look into that kind of deal!!

That’s the issue for me. The pick could be as high as 1, but could be back half of the lottery. I guarantee you they’ll try to top 3 protect it. If that’s the case, they can pay another first or throw in a pick swap to dump Love.

By taking on Love, you’re also effectively ceding Demar - he’s not resigning with a team that’s taking on dead weight. And I don’t see them trading him now. Now if they were to have for sale signs on all of the vets, and maximize the Spurs’ draft capital in the process, that gets more interesting.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1372254008631558146

Hmm, can the salaries still work without Meyers?

[The Truth #6]

Interesting. I have to wonder if this takes Miami definitely off a potential trade partner list.

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1372254008631558146

Hmm, can the salaries still work without Meyers?

I thought the trade with Miami was Iggy, Bradley and Harkless

[Leetonidas]

If they added Ariza, it might because they are going to part with Iggy or Harkless

[Seventyniner]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1372254008631558146

Hmm, can the salaries still work without Meyers?

Ariza extends his record to 11! Another draft pick for OC too :lol. Probably just a 2nd. I can't imagine Leonard not being cut, and I doubt any team will pick him up.

[Degoat]

Marc stein just tweeted the heat want LMA as a buyout

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1372254008631558146

Hmm, can the salaries still work without Meyers?

Yes with Iggy, Bradley plus Harkless or Silva that works.

[Rocalcio]

Marc stein just tweeted the heat want LMA as a buyout

Every team would want him as a buyout, but I hope there is no way that will happen. If teams want him they agree to a trade.

[cd98]

IF LMA is a buyout, I'd put my money on him going to Portland or LA, not Miami. That's far from home and he has better odds winning a title with the Lakers.

[cd98]

If they added Ariza, it might because they are going to part with Iggy or Harkless

I don't know, but it means they don't need Rudy Gay.

[cd98]

Also, is it me or is OKC the only NBA city where Meyers could still have a job?

[Thomas82]

Cleveland wanted to get a return on Love, but his calf injury this season has screwed his value to the league. Now they would have to pay just to get rid of his contract. Cleveland has multiple 2nd rd picks from 2023-27 but that's window dressing. The price is the Cavs 2021 1st rd pick, UNPROTECTED. They want to resign Allen, Sexton is entering his extension window, and Drummond's salary coming off their books isn't going to cut it alone. However, you drop Drummond and Love, you could sign those two players and potentially make a run at John Collins in Free Agency.

Right now the Cavs are #5 in Tankathon draft standings. With the lottery odds, the pick could drop between 6-9. But, the pick could also be in the top 3, even 1. If two years of Love's contract is the door to walk through to get a Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga or a major return for the draft rights to said players, you have to look into that kind of deal!!

All facts!! I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

[ragas]

All facts!! I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

They should draft Kai Jones.

[pad300]

Love and Drummond together constitute a barrel of radioactive roster death. I would throw up in my mouth just getting Love, but would tolerate it if their unprotected pick for this year came with it. Fuck no, under any condition, to Drummond.

I would expect them to negotiate a buyout with Drummond; I can't see them wanting him back for the money he'd want...So I wouldn't worry about it. Not that the proposed deal will happen. Cleveland plans on keeping that pick.

[exstatic]

I would expect them to negotiate a buyout with Drummond; I can't see them wanting him back for the money he'd want...So I wouldn't worry about it. Not that the proposed deal will happen. Cleveland plans on keeping that pick.

Then they’re stuck with both players.

[Ditty]

My money is on Aldridge getting bought out at this point.

[r0drig0lac]

My money is on Aldridge getting bought out at this point.

since Spurs has 0 reasons to do this, it’s probably what they’ll do.

[exstatic]

My money is on Aldridge getting bought out at this point.

I think that will be the ultimate result, but some team, GS,SAC, OKC, is going to want to crawl out from under some contract years. My prediction is a trade, then a buyout.

[Seventyniner]

Then they’re stuck with both players.

Love, yes, but Drummond is an expiring contract. The Cavs are in line for a high lottery pick anyway, so if Drummond causes any sort of locker room trouble they could just cut him and not really be any worse for it.

[SpurSpike]

What do the Spurs get with a buyout? Unless Aldrige basically gives up all the money he is due, i don't see any benefit whatsoever for the Spurs to accommodate a buyout other than just "being nice" and being known as player friendly (aka pushovers).

If Spurs cant find a trade they need to tell LMA to suite up and play off the bench the rest of the season... We could still use him as a back up Center. We were already being nice and player friendly by guaranteeing his contract last year.

[TD 21]

The coverage of this has been typically one sided, with the national media practically begging teams to not give up so much as a minor asset. Guarantee you if he were a Warrior, Heat, Raptor, etc. he'd be about 50% more valuable in their eyes.

Given this organization's softness and the league's continued bitterness/jealousy of the Duncan era, the only reason to not expect a buyout is the symbolism of buying out a player who was a recent star for the organization. I doubt it'd sit as well with them as it did Gasol, for example.

[cd98]

What do the Spurs get with a buyout? Unless Aldrige basically gives up all the money he is due, i don't see any benefit whatsoever for the Spurs to accommodate a buyout other than just "being nice" and being known as player friendly (aka pushovers).

If Spurs cant find a trade they need to tell LMA to suite up and play off the bench the rest of the season... We could still use him as a back up Center. We were already being nice and player friendly by guaranteeing his contract last year.

He could take less money than what he is due this year and the Spurs get cred as an organization that does right by the players. Plus they don't take on any salary for next year and have space to pursue free agents or sell cap space for draft picks.

[TD 21]

He could take less money than what he is due this year and the Spurs get cred as an organization that does right by the players. Plus they don't take on any salary for next year and have space to pursue free agents or sell cap space for draft picks.

And where's that gotten them again? Opposing teams treat them like an easy mark and the national media acts like it's a stain on one's career to play here.

Meanwhile, teams who are known for treating players like meat (Celtics, Morey era Rockets, Heat, Raptors, etc.) not only haven't had their reputations hurt, but they've mostly been helped in recent years.

[cd98]

And where's that gotten them again? Opposing teams treat them like an easy mark and the national media acts like it's a stain on one's career to play here.

Meanwhile, teams who are known for treating players like meat (Celtics, Morey era Rockets, Heat, Raptors, etc.) not only haven't had their reputations hurt, but they've mostly been helped in recent years.

Well I kind of disagree. Yes, we are a small market, but most of the media says the Spurs are a classy organization that does things right and the players, at least in public, seem to say the same things. I don't think anyone sees it as a stain to play for the Spurs. In fact, most media will say they do a superb job at development. I do agree that Spurs don't get all the free agents they want, but for years that has been mostly because they never had much space and someone could always offer more. Sure, all things being equal, a player would prefer NY or LA. But mostly we could never get the best free agents b/c our core had a bunch of HOF players and high value role players and that took up most of our salary cap space. Sure, we lost out on someone like Jason Kidd every so often, but we did get LMA, who was a big free agent the year he signed with the Spurs and had an opportunity to play at Portland, NY, and the Lakers and chose San Antonio.

So I think people still respect the Spurs. It might not get you LeBron, but people know if they go to the Spurs, they are going to be treated right. I think Kawhi took more of a hit for leaving San Antonio then the other way around, but that is the one black eye on the franchise, though I don't think they could have avoided it.

[TD 21]

Well I kind of disagree. Yes, we are a small market, but most of the media says the Spurs are a classy organization that does things right and the players, at least in public, seem to say the same things. I don't think anyone sees it as a stain to play for the Spurs. In fact, most media will say they do a superb job at development. I do agree that Spurs don't get all the free agents they want, but for years that has been mostly because they never had much space and someone could always offer more. Sure, all things being equal, a player would prefer NY or LA. But mostly we could never get the best free agents b/c our core had a bunch of HOF players and high value role players and that took up most of our salary cap space. Sure, we lost out on someone like Jason Kidd every so often, but we did get LMA, who was a big free agent the year he signed with the Spurs and had an opportunity to play at Portland, NY, and the Lakers and chose San Antonio.

So I think people still respect the Spurs. It might not get you LeBron, but people know if they go to the Spurs, they are going to be treated right. I think Kawhi took more of a hit for leaving San Antonio then the other way around, but that is the one black eye on the franchise, though I don't think they could have avoided it.

They did until it became fashionable to dislike the Spurs, which was post Scumbag.

Playing here means receiving little to no credit and publicity and plenty of backhanded compliments.

That hasn't stopped so many other prominent players from going to glamour teams.

Mostly for family purposes. He never actually wanted to be a Spur; it was a marriage of convenience.

You can't be serious? Scumbag became deified the moment he left. He got virtually everything he wanted and the Spurs got shit on.

[rjv]

What do the Spurs get with a buyout? Unless Aldrige basically gives up all the money he is due, i don't see any benefit whatsoever for the Spurs to accommodate a buyout other than just "being nice" and being known as player friendly (aka pushovers).

If Spurs cant find a trade they need to tell LMA to suite up and play off the bench the rest of the season... We could still use him as a back up Center. We were already being nice and player friendly by guaranteeing his contract last year.

but i don't think this is just about LMA and the spurs wanting him to be happy. the spurs are moving on, scheme-wise, and aldridge doesn't fit into these plans. the only point of keeping him at this point, would be in providing insurance in case poeltl was injured.

[rjv]

Well I kind of disagree. Yes, we are a small market, but most of the media says the Spurs are a classy organization that does things right and the players, at least in public, seem to say the same things. I don't think anyone sees it as a stain to play for the Spurs. In fact, most media will say they do a superb job at development. I do agree that Spurs don't get all the free agents they want, but for years that has been mostly because they never had much space and someone could always offer more. Sure, all things being equal, a player would prefer NY or LA. But mostly we could never get the best free agents b/c our core had a bunch of HOF players and high value role players and that took up most of our salary cap space. Sure, we lost out on someone like Jason Kidd every so often, but we did get LMA, who was a big free agent the year he signed with the Spurs and had an opportunity to play at Portland, NY, and the Lakers and chose San Antonio.

So I think people still respect the Spurs. It might not get you LeBron, but people know if they go to the Spurs, they are going to be treated right. I think Kawhi took more of a hit for leaving San Antonio then the other way around, but that is the one black eye on the franchise, though I don't think they could have avoided it.

and i will add that the spurs never really shot for the big free agents all that much, because they didn't have to. they usually got exactly what they needed: a mario elie, will purdue, steve kerr, michael finley, robert horry...

[SpurSpike]

but i don't think this is just about LMA and the spurs wanting him to be happy. the spurs are moving on, scheme-wise, and aldridge doesn't fit into these plans. the only point of keeping him at this point, would be in providing insurance in case poeltl was injured.

Well thats a pretty darn good reason to keep him imo. We are completely fucked at the 5 if Peoltl gets injured.

[BackHome]

If your thinking your team is going enough to do damage in Playoffs then yeah him leaving hurts that happening - If you think your where just going to let him walk after his one year then you just should have traded him for something the year before.......Oh well will see what happens but if we loose LMA, Derozz, Mills, and Rudy for nothing then yeah then I think you have to question Pop and Spurs GM's..

[ace3g]

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Sources: Houston is trading PJ Tucker, Rodions Kurucs and Bucks’ 2022 first-round pick back to Milwaukee for DJ Augustin, DJ Wilson and 2023 unprotected first-round pick. Houston also gets right to swap its 2021 second-round pick for Milwaukee's FRP pick unless it falls 1-9.
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Milwaukee is trading forward Torrey Craig to Phoenix, sources tell ESPN.

[Degoat]

I knew the bucks were up to something lol they have been quiet

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/SalmanAliNBA/status/1372327219180285962?s=19

So does Houston expect to suck next year too?

Wonder why there's a lot of trade activity today

[timtonymanu]

Houston is fucked for a while. I always thought gambit’s “Spurs have the worst future in the division” take was laughable when you look at Houston.

[Mr. Body]

So Houston basically got a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder for PJ Tucker? The Spurs really do suck at trades.

[NASpurs]

So Houston basically got a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder for PJ Tucker? The Spurs really do suck at trades.

:lol man when you put it into perspective like that :bang

[Dejounte]

So Houston basically got a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder for PJ Tucker? The Spurs really do suck at trades.https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1372332638648811523?s=19

True though much easier to trade a contract that size (PJ)

[8sy21vd]

I would be floored if they make any trades before March 25. That being said, let's just hope they buy out Aldridge because based on recent history, they'll get fleeced in any trade like taking on a shitty contract (like Love) without draft compensation because he fits the culture.

[r0drig0lac]

I would be floored if they make any trades before March 25. That being said, let's just hope they buy out Aldridge because based on recent history, they'll get fleeced in any trade like taking on a shitty contract (like Love) without draft compensation because he fits the culture.

soft?

[Joseph Kony]

so basically Tucker for two 1sts? :wow MIL's GM is retarded

[8sy21vd]

lol not sure but culture guys seem to be washed up vets from my interpretation here on Spurstalk. I'm sure there are better people on here to give a more precise definition though.

[Dverde]

so basically Tucker for two 1sts? :wow MIL's GM is retarded

Forbes for the win!

[PhantomDashCam]

Warriors may fall out of playoffs without a move for a big...

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1372298584666738689?s=20

[BackHome]

If they got that for PJ what would we get for Rudy?

[emanueldavidginobili]

PJ Tucker for a 1st?! The man turns 36 in two months! Insanity

[jjspur]

Tucker saw the writing on the wall (no playoff future) and wanted out of Houston much like Aldridge wants out of SA. Spurs wont trade Rudy because they to resign him for another 2 years at 15 million a year like they did for Gasol. I can hear all the pounders saying whaaaat !!! Whhhhyyyyy ? Yeah me too. A week to go till the trade deadline. Do something Spurs Front office ....Damn it !!

[Maddog]

PJ Tucker for a 1st?! The man turns 36 in two months! Insanity

It's a little confusing, but may not be that big. 2 firsts to Houston and a first and a second to the bucks?
I may be reading it wrong, but essentially flipping a late first for a early second, currently 8 picks apart but could narrow.
Like SA in the past the bucks are in a position where they don't want the guaranteed contract.

[Thomas82]

They should draft Kai Jones.

I want Evan Mobley myself, but I wouldn't be upset with him.

[RC_Drunkford]

So Houston basically got a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder for PJ Tucker? The Spurs really do suck at trades.

no, they swapped a first round and a 2nd round pick for 2 firsts

[Sugus]

Houston is fucked for a while. I always thought gambit’s “Spurs have the worst future in the division” take was laughable when you look at Houston.

No, you just don't understand - the Rockettes have 4 first round picks they got by trade!! FOUR!! Nevermind that the Spurs also have 4 FRP, and more, not to mention a much better drafting ability/scouting..... :lol

[BWS-1994]

I think teams who will not be chosen by LMA, in case of a buy out, will be more willing to trade...

[Dejounte]

People being jealous of the teams hoarding draft picks make me laugh.

Would you be jealous of someone who had 10 lottery tickets (with very low odds at that)

They're lottery tickets. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and pretend they're million dollar checks.

[exstatic]

Warriors may fall out of playoffs without a move for a big...

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1372298584666738689?s=20

They’re already on the outside looking in.

[Seventyniner]

They’re already on the outside looking in.

True, but they only have to finish ahead of 5 teams to make the play-in. And Curry is capable of carrying them to two wins by himself.

I think the chances are quite slim that any of the Rockets/Kings/Wolves/Thunder make the top 10. That means the Warriors only need to stay ahead of one team, probably the Pelicans or Grizzlies. Getting to 7 or 8 would be nice to only need to win 1 game to make the postseason, but I don't see the Warriors falling out of the top 10 barring Curry getting injured.

The teams I expected to be in the top 5 based on scoring differential (Jazz/Lakers/Suns/Clippers/Nuggets) have all gotten there now. I think the only really interesting races will be for #6 (avoid the play-in) and #10 (get into the play-in). The order of the play-in teams probably won't be settled until the very end of the regular season.

[Maddog]

no, they swapped a first round and a 2nd round pick for 2 firsts

Plus, as I mentioned earlier the difference between the first and second rounder is not great.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

A few things Spurs related coming from Magic front office:

LMA not as easy to trade as some may think, teams that most want him don't have right pieces that would interest Spurs + match salary. Sees LMA heading for buyout and signing with Lakers, Clippers, Trailblazers, or Heat.

Spurs not actively shopping DDR but also no positive movement from an extension standpoint. If Spurs feel it is best to fully move towards future team to watch is Hawks, has heard rumors of very preliminary discussion. Hawks will not be able to resign Collins and Bogdan has been disappointment. Says Spurs have always liked Bogdanvic and believes Landry Fields really likes Lonnie Walker/ K.Johnson. He says this is not likely to happen for obvious reasons but if Spurs decided to move on decision would be could they do better with cap flexibility/picks vs what they could get from Hawks. Also noted to watch for any Gay trade as if Gay is moved a DDR move is imminent, and if DDR was moved first then Gay trade would follow. If Gay traded watch Miami, key will be Spurs will want Achiuwa while Heat will want to give up KZ.

Magic willing to trade Gordon & Vuc but not desperate. Feeling is no one willing to meet asking price at this time and one more year may help bring more clarity to Magic organization regarding future as Isaac returns, Okeke develops, and another draft. Only Isaac, Fultz, Okeke considered untouchable. Weltman believes he has backing for 3 more years and is really trying to build for team to be playoff bound in 2 years. Also says Gordon wants out but will not cause any trouble/tension while Vuc doesn't really care. Vuc is different personality, his biggest personal priority was getting paid, but he isn't a "me" guy, just a different personality. Says he works hard & teammates like him but he is happy getting paid to play basketball, whether he is on a winning or losing team doesn't matter all that much to him.

[Indianman]

A few things Spurs related coming from Magic front office:

LMA not as easy to trade as some may think, teams that most want him don't have right pieces that would interest Spurs + match salary. Sees LMA heading for buyout and signing with Lakers, Clippers, Trailblazers, or Heat.

Spurs not actively shopping DDR but also no positive movement from an extension standpoint. If Spurs feel it is best to fully move towards future team to watch is Hawks, has heard rumors of very preliminary discussion. Hawks will not be able to resign Collins and Bogdan has been disappointment. Says Spurs have always liked Bogdanvic and believes Landry Fields really likes Lonnie Walker/ K.Johnson. He says this is not likely to happen for obvious reasons but if Spurs decided to move on decision would be could they do better with cap flexibility/picks vs what they could get from Hawks. Also noted to watch for any Gay trade as if Gay is moved a DDR move is imminent, and if DDR was moved first then Gay trade would follow. If Gay traded watch Miami, key will be Spurs will want Achiuwa while Heat will want to give up KZ.

Magic willing to trade Gordon & Vuc but not desperate. Feeling is no one willing to meet asking price at this time and one more year may help bring more clarity to Magic organization regarding future as Isaac returns, Okeke develops, and another draft. Only Isaac, Fultz, Okeke considered untouchable. Weltman believes he has backing for 3 more years and is really trying to build for team to be playoff bound in 2 years. Also says Gordon wants out but will not cause any trouble/tension while Vuc doesn't really care. Vuc is different personality, his biggest personal priority was getting paid, but he isn't a "me" guy, just a different personality. Says he works hard & teammates like him but he is happy getting paid to play basketball, whether he is on a winning or losing team doesn't matter all that much to him.

Judging from this Vuc doesn't seem like a winner. Doesn't have the dog in him like people on this forum say.

I'll admit I haven't watched any team other than the Spurs play since the past couple of seasons so I don't know how any guys from other teams play.

Is KZ a good player now? I remember the forum going gaga over him in his draft.

[Dejounte]

A few things Spurs related coming from Magic front office:

LMA not as easy to trade as some may think, teams that most want him don't have right pieces that would interest Spurs + match salary. Sees LMA heading for buyout and signing with Lakers, Clippers, Trailblazers, or Heat.

Spurs not actively shopping DDR but also no positive movement from an extension standpoint. If Spurs feel it is best to fully move towards future team to watch is Hawks, has heard rumors of very preliminary discussion. Hawks will not be able to resign Collins and Bogdan has been disappointment. Says Spurs have always liked Bogdanvic and believes Landry Fields really likes Lonnie Walker/ K.Johnson. He says this is not likely to happen for obvious reasons but if Spurs decided to move on decision would be could they do better with cap flexibility/picks vs what they could get from Hawks. Also noted to watch for any Gay trade as if Gay is moved a DDR move is imminent, and if DDR was moved first then Gay trade would follow. If Gay traded watch Miami, key will be Spurs will want Achiuwa while Heat will want to give up KZ.

Magic willing to trade Gordon & Vuc but not desperate. Feeling is no one willing to meet asking price at this time and one more year may help bring more clarity to Magic organization regarding future as Isaac returns, Okeke develops, and another draft. Only Isaac, Fultz, Okeke considered untouchable. Weltman believes he has backing for 3 more years and is really trying to build for team to be playoff bound in 2 years. Also says Gordon wants out but will not cause any trouble/tension while Vuc doesn't really care. Vuc is different personality, his biggest personal priority was getting paid, but he isn't a "me" guy, just a different personality. Says he works hard & teammates like him but he is happy getting paid to play basketball, whether he is on a winning or losing team doesn't matter all that much to him.

"Orlando overvaluing Vuc and Gordon!!"

"They waited too long!!"

"Magic are not a winning team anyway so why are they overvaluing these two!!"

Ahh how the simpleton argument falls flat on its face when it's applied to other organizations.

[The Truth #6]

"Orlando overvaluing Vuc and Gordon!!"

"They waited too long!!"

"Magic are not a winning team anyway so why are they overvaluing these two!!"

Ahh how the simpleton argument falls flat on its face when it's applied to other organizations.

I think I’m trying to figure out what you are advocating.

[Dejounte]

I think I’m trying to figure out what you are advocating.

Simply laughing at the Homer Simpson GMs on here who think everything is easy to pull off in this league.

[Prime BEEF]

A few things Spurs related coming from Magic front office:

LMA not as easy to trade as some may think, teams that most want him don't have right pieces that would interest Spurs + match salary. Sees LMA heading for buyout and signing with Lakers, Clippers, Trailblazers, or Heat.

Spurs not actively shopping DDR but also no positive movement from an extension standpoint. If Spurs feel it is best to fully move towards future team to watch is Hawks, has heard rumors of very preliminary discussion. Hawks will not be able to resign Collins and Bogdan has been disappointment. Says Spurs have always liked Bogdanvic and believes Landry Fields really likes Lonnie Walker/ K.Johnson. He says this is not likely to happen for obvious reasons but if Spurs decided to move on decision would be could they do better with cap flexibility/picks vs what they could get from Hawks. Also noted to watch for any Gay trade as if Gay is moved a DDR move is imminent, and if DDR was moved first then Gay trade would follow. If Gay traded watch Miami, key will be Spurs will want Achiuwa while Heat will want to give up KZ.

Magic willing to trade Gordon & Vuc but not desperate. Feeling is no one willing to meet asking price at this time and one more year may help bring more clarity to Magic organization regarding future as Isaac returns, Okeke develops, and another draft. Only Isaac, Fultz, Okeke considered untouchable. Weltman believes he has backing for 3 more years and is really trying to build for team to be playoff bound in 2 years. Also says Gordon wants out but will not cause any trouble/tension while Vuc doesn't really care. Vuc is different personality, his biggest personal priority was getting paid, but he isn't a "me" guy, just a different personality. Says he works hard & teammates like him but he is happy getting paid to play basketball, whether he is on a winning or losing team doesn't matter all that much to him.
Not exactly sure what an acceptable Atlanta trade would look like for the FO. Maybe DDR/Walker/Lyles for Collins/Bogdanovic/Snell. Doubt the FO would give up both KJ and Walker but they should be willing to part ways with Walker if that gets you Collins.

[The Truth #6]

I think I’m trying to figure out what you are advocating.

Well, yeah, overall I see your point with the geniuses on the board. But specifically with LMA, I was saying in the summer that there is a risk in not moving him after resigning Yak, because LMA could easily become a distraction given his temperament. I don’t know if the team overvalued his worth, but maybe undervalued the risk in keeping him around, especially at his age?

[Dverde]

People being jealous of the teams hoarding draft picks make me laugh.

Would you be jealous of someone who had 10 lottery tickets (with very low odds at that)

They're lottery tickets. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and pretend they're million dollar checks.

Spurs FO is great at drafting and player development. They are terrible at almost everything else. I think we can get a true cornerstone player with a top 5 pick. They won’t tank or trade assets when they have value. So we get stuck picking later and gathering good players who aren’t good enough to make us a title contender.

[Degoat]

Yooo guys for what it’s worth that NBASupes guy on the hawks fan site said this just now....

“I got some good stuff, There is a lot of big names available right now. Both San Antonio and Houston have engaged in talks about Huerter. Oladipo is a name that has come up for Atlanta. It doesn't seem likely considering Oladipo contract wants but Oladipo would consider Atlanta as a team to resign with now that Nate is the HC.
Keep an eye on this. DeRozan is another name to keep an eye on. Not sure why Atlanta is going all in but Kevin is legit on the market and could be moved. Bogi has a NTC for his year. FYI.
Terrance Ross has been a name Atlanta has reached out to Orlando about for Snell. Snell is being shopped even though he's playing well.
Atlanta doesn't mind paying the tax. It's all about contract value is what he's hearing.
Nothing new on the Collins stuff. He said he doesn't think Collins will be moved based on what's being said but you never know.
Bruno is clearly a throw in. He's been in all of these deals to some degree.
Doesn't seem like Rondo, Dunn, Bogi, Gallo, Big O, May's, Knight or any new guys will be moved outside of Snell.
Kevin is a legit piece Atlanta is open to moving but they want an all star type in return like Oladipo or DeRozan. Teams have been calling on Kevin but Atlanta has a clear price they are looking for.
Once again, Atlanta is not scared to pay big money if this tells you anything.
I repeat, Tony doesn't give a damn about paying the LT. He is willing to do what it takes to win.
Oladipo has become a serious name for Atlanta of late. His recent play has sparked interest but Kevin's recent play has shot his value through the roof. He might be overpriced next year. “
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[PrimeMinister]

Atlanta giving up Huerter for Oladipo, if there is any truth to that, would haunt them for years.

Also IMO there’s little value in giving up a young player with some level of promise for a soon to be RFA in Collins who will probably command a max contract. Atlanta can say they will match anything but that’s the only thing they can say right now to try to get any sort of value of have any leverage in a trade situation.

If the spurs FO wants Collins, wait 4 months, know you’re one of like 3 teams who can actually offer max money, and call Atlanta’s bluff. I’m not even convinced a top tier role player/glue guy who can’t create for himself is worth that kinda money anyway, so why give up assets just to have the right to pay him? Makes no sense.

[rankingtear]

Huerter fits what we need to survive offensively when Demar leaves some movement shooting and a little playmaking. Fournier and Huerter are the types of archetype that can make it work.

[Dejounte]

Was not impressed by the little I've seen of Huerter, but makes sense if it's a DeMar swap. We'd be lacking in big wings and he's that archetype. Maybe Keldon starts and Huerter backs him up.

[Seventyniner]

Was not impressed by the little I've seen of Huerter, but makes sense if it's a DeMar swap. We'd be lacking in big wings and he's that archetype. Maybe Keldon starts and Huerter backs him up.

I haven't seen any of Huerter, but his advanced stats are not terribly impressive. He's only 22 so there's still time to improve. That's a double-edged sword, though; he's up for an extension in 2022 and the Spurs will have a lot of rookie contracts to juggle. Penciling in Collins for DeMar's salary slot is fine, but who do you let go/not pay to keep Huerter? That's probably why Walker and Keldon were mentioned, the Spurs won't be able to extend/pay all of their young guys let alone ones that come in from a trade.

[Dejounte]

I haven't seen any of Huerter, but his advanced stats are not terribly impressive. He's only 22 so there's still time to improve. That's a double-edged sword, though; he's up for an extension in 2022 and the Spurs will have a lot of rookie contracts to juggle. Penciling in Collins for DeMar's salary slot is fine, but who do you let go/not pay to keep Huerter? That's probably why Walker and Keldon were mentioned, the Spurs won't be able to extend/pay all of their young guys let alone ones that come in from a trade.

Eh, I think they can all be kept. Walker's not going to yield a big contract. Keldon, while showing a lot of potential, still needs to make a big leap and even then, he's got to show he's better than White (who has the biggest contract out of all the young guys). That's what's great about having White, while he's not a star (yet), you can use him as a benchmark for contracts. I don't think any player on the team aside from Murray thinks they're better than White. You can attribute that to the chemistry of the team and Pop's coaching style.

[mo7888]

If we are trading ddr to atl its got to be alot bigger than huerter to make the numbers work.... probably have to take Gallo and Snell as well and send back some salary filler (Gay?)

[Dverde]

Gallo would fill the role of veteran we hold onto too long who eventually leaves as a buyout. Sign him up.

[Mr. Body]

Why are people jizzing themselves over Kevin Heurter?

[Dejounte]

Why are people jizzing themselves over Kevin Heurter?

Literally no one is jizzing over Kevin.

[Mr. Body]

Literally no one is jizzing over Kevin.

"Kevin is a legit piece Atlanta is open to moving but they want an all star type in return like Oladipo or DeRozan. Teams have been calling on Kevin but Atlanta has a clear price they are looking for."

You should read the page before this one.

[Degoat]

"Kevin is a legit piece Atlanta is open to moving but they want an all star type in return like Oladipo or DeRozan. Teams have been calling on Kevin but Atlanta has a clear price they are looking for."

You should read the page before this one.

I was quoting what the guy from the website said genius lol

[Mr. Body]

I was quoting what the guy from the website said genius lol

No shit. And then everyone follows discussing Huerter. What the fuck.

[Mr. Body]

"Was not impressed by the little I've seen of Huerter, but makes sense if it's a DeMar swap. We'd be lacking in big wings and he's that archetype. Maybe Keldon starts and Huerter backs him up."

This kind of shit. Huerter. Lol.

[Kurik]

Eh, I think they can all be kept. Walker's not going to yield a big contract. Keldon, while showing a lot of potential, still needs to make a big leap and even then, he's got to show he's better than White (who has the biggest contract out of all the young guys). That's what's great about having White, while he's not a star (yet), you can use him as a benchmark for contracts. I don't think any player on the team aside from Murray thinks they're better than White. You can attribute that to the chemistry of the team and Pop's coaching style.

Other teams will offer Keldon more than what White makes.

[Degoat]

God damn guys supposedly the heat wanted Rudy Gay but the spurs were asking for to much, idk how to copy the article over otherwise I would

also said spurs trade talks with the heat about LMA went nowhere, what the hell are the spurs doing!!!!

[Dejounte]

"Was not impressed by the little I've seen of Huerter, but makes sense if it's a DeMar swap. We'd be lacking in big wings and he's that archetype. Maybe Keldon starts and Huerter backs him up."

This kind of shit. Huerter. Lol.

You get your panties in a wad over the weirdest shit. I didn't say Huerter was anywhere near DeMar's level, in fact I even said I wasn't impressed by him.

[Leetonidas]

God damn guys supposedly the heat wanted Rudy Gay but the spurs were asking for to much, idk how to copy the article over otherwise I would

Not surprising...Spurs are so dumb if they think they're getting 1st rounders and young players for expiring vet contracts

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

God damn guys supposedly the heat wanted Rudy Gay but the spurs were asking for to much, idk how to copy the article over otherwise I would



You would have taken Leonard and a 2027 2nd round pick for Rudy? WTF

[Degoat]

You would have taken Leonard and a 2027 2nd round pick for Rudy? WTF

just because that was the deal for Ariza doesn’t mean that was the deal for Rudy gay

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

just because that was the deal for Ariza doesn’t mean that was the deal for Rudy gay

Indeed - because the Spurs actually wanted a fair price, which they should have. Not like Miami have any first round picks to trade anyway.

[Dejounte]

God damn guys supposedly the heat wanted Rudy Gay but the spurs were asking for to much, idk how to copy the article over otherwise I would

also said spurs trade talks with the heat about LMA went nowhere, what the hell are the spurs doing!!!!

Without knowing details, it doesn't make sense to freak out. They could have been asking for Lonnie for all we know.

[Teamduncan21]

Why are people jizzing themselves over Kevin Heurter?


People love trades for the sake of trading. Considering people don't really like derozan as much. Trading is exciting

[The Truth #6]

Huerter supposedly goes by Red Mamba. I see a conflict there. Pass! (Also, I'm not sure if he's even better than Lonnie.)

[Dejounte]

Degoat umm can you tell us where you are seeing this? Not finding it anywhere.

[mo7888]

Degoat umm can you tell us where you are seeing this? Not finding it anywhere.

Hoopshype rumors

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article250021354.html

[Degoat]

Degoat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51367) umm can you tell us where you are seeing this? Not finding it anywhere.

Hoopshype rumors

[BWS-1994]

Hoopshype rumors

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article250021354.html

MIA were only willing to part with expiring contracts for Rudy Gay?

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Some perspective on Hawks news

As Nate McMillan has gotten the hawks playing better ball and as the FO has come to believe they will Not be able to keep Collins, Tony Nessler (owner) is really advocating acquiring a player that would allow them to make a small playoff push this year. The GM is trying to push back and prefers a more patient approach. There is a connection in their FO to Spurs, Magic, & DDR which all ties back to Toronto. I was told a certain person reached out to Weltman in Orlando because he is a mentor of sorts and wanted to discuss DDR and how to navigate the current situation. This person has strong connection to DDR and is more aligned with Hawks owner but the GM (forget name came over from Golden State) has been able to bring Nessler around to his way of thinking up to this point. So this person is trying to carefully have options in place to move on for owner while not being seen as not in agreement with GM. Anyway this person is very strong advocate for DDR if Hawks choose to make a bigger move and sounds like he has at least had unofficial discussion with someone in Spurs org. It sounded that there was interest from Spurs and the devil would be in the details of who is getting what picks/prospects, for the right package was told Hawks would consider moving one of Reddish, Huerter, or Okungwu. Also mentioned the Hawks would prefer to move Rondo over Snell (or move both) and while Rondo is not a big salary could kill a potential deal if real talks were to begin

[The Truth #6]

I want to take a step back. I'm curious what the statistics are for NBA trades over the last 3 years. Are trades up? Down?

(Tangent: Yes, the FO frustrates me from being just a little too cautious. A little, I get. But there are risks to not making moves, like allowing LMA to show up to training camp after they just resigned Yak who stated he wants to be the starter. I think it was obvious LMA was not going to be able to take that well.)

But I digress.

Trades. It seems like most of the trades that happen are to coastal teams who are building a dynasty, either in the form of stealing a superstar (basically) or making trades to support that new super team. OR, trades are made for teams clearly trying to tank, like OKC and now Houston, it seems.

What the Spurs are trying to do: still compete (therefore, obviously, not add finishing pieces to be a contender, nor open the floodgates and try to aggressively tank) is not easy. I will give the FO somewhat of a pass in that regards. Trading to get Huerter types? I'd rather develop who we have, to be honest.

I do wish they used some foresight to make moves (likely in the offseason and around the draft) that shows some vision. I like the move towards defense. That's great. But we are nearing five o'clock rush hour, so to speak, and about to have a traffic jam of players who are shorter than 6'5". We can't keep all of them. Always waiting for players to hit free agency and see what they can get on the open market makes sense in the short term, but can't be a longterm strategy. That's my $0.02. That feels somewhat lazy to allow so many of these players to simply slip away. Is it too soon to trade away our young chips? Probably. But some hard choices will need to be made at some point, and I hope the choice is not simply not making a choice.

[Dejounte]

"The Spurs apparently aren’t inclined (at least for now) to take merely expiring contracts for Gay, who is earning $14.5 million in the final year of his deal."

That's an important tidbit. It's like trading Gay for the sake of trading him and getting nothing back.

[Dejounte]

Some perspective on Hawks news

As Nate McMillan has gotten the hawks playing better ball and as the FO has come to believe they will Not be able to keep Collins, Tony Nessler (owner) is really advocating acquiring a player that would allow them to make a small playoff push this year. The GM is trying to push back and prefers a more patient approach. There is a connection in their FO to Spurs, Magic, & DDR which all ties back to Toronto. I was told a certain person reached out to Weltman in Orlando because he is a mentor of sorts and wanted to discuss DDR and how to navigate the current situation. This person has strong connection to DDR and is more aligned with Hawks owner but the GM (forget name came over from Golden State) has been able to bring Nessler around to his way of thinking up to this point. So this person is trying to carefully have options in place to move on for owner while not being seen as not in agreement with GM. Anyway this person is very strong advocate for DDR if Hawks choose to make a bigger move and sounds like he has at least had unofficial discussion with someone in Spurs org. It sounded that there was interest from Spurs and the devil would be in the details of who is getting what picks/prospects, for the right package was told Hawks would consider moving one of Reddish, Huerter, or Okungwu. Also mentioned the Hawks would prefer to move Rondo over Snell (or move both) and while Rondo is not a big salary could kill a potential deal if real talks were to begin

Real or not, but you're bringing the goods here. Thanks, champ! We need more posters like you around!

[ace3g]

SAN ANTONIO - According to a report from the Miami Herald, trade talks between the San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat for LaMarcus Aldridge went nowhere.

The Miami Herald reports that trade discussions for the Spurs forward did not have any movement.
Trade conversations involving the Spurs’ LaMarcus Aldridge also went nowhere.


In addition, the Spurs reportedly wanted more from Miami in exchange for Rudy Gay. This made the Heat move to trade for Trevor Ariza.


According to a source in touch with the Heat, one reason the Heat jumped on the Trevor Ariza trade — instead of waiting until closer to the deadline to make a move — was because of an inability to agree on trade compensation for San Antonio’s Rudy Gay or P.J. Tucker, who was dealt from Houston to Milwaukee on Wednesday.

The Spurs asked for more than what the Heat was willing to give for Gay, who was the preferred choice of some internally, the source said.


The NBA Trade Deadline is on March 25.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article250021354.html

[ace3g]

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[BacktoBasics]

Real or not, but you're bringing the goods here. Thanks, champ! We need more posters like you around!

Seems like Reddish has been better this year but I’m not sold Huerter and Reddish for DDR is that great of a move vs. letting our vets walk and outright signing a better fit via FA this summer.

[Rocalcio]

God damn guys supposedly the heat wanted Rudy Gay but the spurs were asking for to much, idk how to copy the article over otherwise I would

also said spurs trade talks with the heat about LMA went nowhere, what the hell are the spurs doing!!!!

I’d rather see the FO do that instead of giving their players for free.

[slick'81]

So spurs really want to resign gay if they are asking for soo much to let him go.

[PrimeMinister]

Miami sent out a player they were likely going to waive if no one bought on a trade and a 2027 2nd for Trevor Ariza

I'd much rather have Rudy Gay- but pretty clear they aren't willing to give up anything along the lines of KZ Okpala or Precious unless they really have a hole burning in their pocket at the deadline.

Swapping expiring contracts is not going to be an upgrade for this spurs team. They're going to let it ride into FA and at this point who cares. I'll reiterate my take that LA has no value to anyone outside of a team who needs to shed a contract and is willing to give up a 21 first rounder, and that is a limited market.

[duncan2150]

So spurs really want to resign gay if they are asking for soo much to let him go.

I don't think so but they are probably just asking more than a 2027 secound round pick like the ariza deal. And that's normal imo.

[Joseph Kony]

So spurs really want to resign gay if they are asking for soo much to let him go.

Spurs probably value Rudy as a player/person more than a future 2nd rounder. It's obvious the young guys love him and he has been solid for us, no reason to just trade him for anything if the offer is like what the heat gave up for Ariza

[scott]

The report a few pages back on the magic has me wanting the Spurs to be buyers rather than sellers even more.

If the Magic are willing to trade Vooch, it means they are really in tank mode and don't want to admit it. LMA + two first rounders + a young guy if necessary for Vooch. Let's go. DDR + Vooch + continually developing young guys that we have sounds like a team that could develop into a contender* with 3 years and it is in the Spurs mold.

*Could develop into a contender meaning that our young guys develop into what everyone hopes they can. DDR + Vooch and our youngs as they are today won't get it done... but everyone already seems to think KJ will be a max player... well, if he does - our team would be pretty damn good when paired with DDR and Vooch to go along with Murray, Derrick, a developing Devin, etc.

[RC_Drunkford]

Like I said Miami has nothing interesting to offer. They only want to dump Leonard, Bradley, Iggy and Harkless. There’s no reason for the Spurs to do that if they can’t get a 1st rounder, Precious or KZ.

If you trade DeRozan to ATL Collins has to be in the package, plus another young guy and a pick. Otherwise Spurs could just wait it out and make a run at Collins in FA.

The Aldridge situation reminds me of the Gasol situation. Spurs management is always half a season too late

[DAF86]

Cleveland wanted to get a return on Love, but his calf injury this season has screwed his value to the league. Now they would have to pay just to get rid of his contract. Cleveland has multiple 2nd rd picks from 2023-27 but that's window dressing. The price is the Cavs 2021 1st rd pick, UNPROTECTED. They want to resign Allen, Sexton is entering his extension window, and Drummond's salary coming off their books isn't going to cut it alone. However, you drop Drummond and Love, you could sign those two players and potentially make a run at John Collins in Free Agency.

Right now the Cavs are #5 in Tankathon draft standings. With the lottery odds, the pick could drop between 6-9. But, the pick could also be in the top 3, even 1. If two years of Love's contract is the door to walk through to get a Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga or a major return for the draft rights to said players, you have to look into that kind of deal!!

I would do Aldridge for Love and the unprotected 1st rounder in a heart beat.

[Maddog]

The report a few pages back on the magic has me wanting the Spurs to be buyers rather than sellers even more.

If the Magic are willing to trade Vooch, it means they are really in tank mode and don't want to admit it. LMA + two first rounders + a young guy if necessary for Vooch. Let's go. DDR + Vooch + continually developing young guys that we have sounds like a team that could develop into a contender* with 3 years and it is in the Spurs mold.

*Could develop into a contender meaning that our young guys develop into what everyone hopes they can. DDR + Vooch and our youngs as they are today won't get it done... but everyone already seems to think KJ will be a max player... well, if he does - our team would be pretty damn good when paired with DDR and Vooch to go along with Murray, Derrick, a developing Devin, etc.

Vooch is a gamble at age 30 (if available for what the Spurs can reasonably offer). He could fall off by the time the Spurs youth
are ready to contribute to a title team

[TD 21]

Not exactly sure what an acceptable Atlanta trade would look like for the FO. Maybe DDR/Walker/Lyles for Collins/Bogdanovic/Snell. Doubt the FO would give up both KJ and Walker but they should be willing to part ways with Walker if that gets you Collins.

I doubt the Hawks would do that (maybe Huerter instead of Bogdanovic, but then it wouldn't work financially), but I'd do that trade in a second. Spurs aren't doing better with cap space.

You can debate who starts on the wings, but going forward a top seven of: Collins, Johnson, Vassell, Poeltl, White, Bogdanovic, Murray fits. Throw in Samanic, Jones, Eubanks and all picks going forward.

[exstatic]

Vooch is a gamble at age 30 (if available for what the Spurs can reasonably offer). He could fall off by the time the Spurs youth
are ready to contribute to a title team

Not the mention that the article paints him as a paycheck player, a merc.

[gambit1990]

I would do Aldridge for Love and the unprotected 1st rounder in a heart beat.
we all would.

[Dverde]

Orlando more rumored to be dangling Aaron Gordon and Pepe Le Fournier. Vucevic probably staying put with Issac and Fultz. I don’t think Spurs are high on Gordon. He didn’t even get Team USA invite.

[DAF86]

The thing with the Spurs is that they won't trade anyone to just any place. They will try to "do right" by their players, and that limits greatly the places where folks can get traded. For example, I don't think DeRozan would be cool with a trade to Atlanta like someone suggested above. Much less Cleveland, whic is another trade scenario I saw.

[scott]

Vooch is a gamble at age 30 (if available for what the Spurs can reasonably offer). He could fall off by the time the Spurs youth
are ready to contribute to a title team

You are probably right, but I Vooch being a Euro will probably be a stud until he's like 37 and then fall off a cliff lol

I'm not worried about him being in it for a paycheck. He'll be getting one, so no problem.

[TD 21]

The thing with the Spurs is that they won't trade anyone to just any place. They will try to "do right" by their players, and that limits greatly the places where folks can get traded. For example, I don't think DeRozan would be cool with a trade to Atlanta like someone suggested above. Much less Cleveland, whic is another trade scenario I saw.

He's in a unique spot for a veteran so called star. Due to his 3 and D limitations, a contender or aspiring one won't have interest. The only ones who will are non glamour markets attempting to remain or become competitive and many of them won't have the requisite cap space either.

If his precious Raptors aren't interested in a reunion, he'll have to warm up to the notion of someone like the Hawks.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHvkydMJSM

[Joseph Kony]

So Spurs probably have offers that will improve them now but don't want to take back any long term salary. interesting. i guess that means there is someone in FA they really have their eyes on

and lol Brian Windhorst is such a fat fuck :lol

[exstatic]

You are probably right, but I Vooch being a Euro will probably be a stud until he's like 37 and then fall off a cliff lol

I'm not worried about him being in it for a paycheck. He'll be getting one, so no problem.

Did you read the article? That’s ALL he’s in it for. Doesn’t care if he wins or loses. Got traded to Memphis. Didn’t care. Got traded to Orlando. Didn’t care, and doesn’t care, still. One of the worst franchises.

I don’t want a guy who doesn’t give a shit if his team wins or loses. You do you.

[Degoat]

Well that’s encouraging that there are some offers according to Windhorst

[RC_Drunkford]

I assume they will wait until the end of the deadline to get a deal done if they have multiple offers on the table. Just to get the best deal possible

[Prime BEEF]

He's in a unique spot for a veteran so called star. Due to his 3 and D limitations, a contender or aspiring one won't have interest. The only ones who will are non glamour markets attempting to remain or become competitive and many of them won't have the requisite cap space either.

If his precious Raptors aren't interested in a reunion, he'll have to warm up to the notion of someone like the Hawks.
Yes agree

[exstatic]

The thing with the Spurs is that they won't trade anyone to just any place. They will try to "do right" by their players, and that limits greatly the places where folks can get traded. For example, I don't think DeRozan would be cool with a trade to Atlanta like someone suggested above. Much less Cleveland, whic is another trade scenario I saw.

I think with both vets being on ending deals, that kid of goes out the window. Neither will be marooned anywhere too terrible. I agree about Cleveland. I think DeMar to ATL isn’t a marooning. They’re playing very well, and are in the EC playoff picture. LaMarcus kind of made his own bed, and will have to negotiate a buyout wherever he lands.

[Maddog]

Well that’s encouraging that there are some offers according to Windhorst

There are always offers...

[scott]

Did you read the article? That’s ALL he’s in it for. Doesn’t care if he wins or loses. Got traded to Memphis. Didn’t care. Got traded to Orlando. Didn’t care, and doesn’t care, still. One of the worst franchises.

I don’t want a guy who doesn’t give a shit if his team wins or loses. You do you.

Was it an article, or just what someone wrote was "From The Magic Front Office" like they have some Insider Patreon Newsletter where the reveal all of their inner workings?

Guys who don't care don't become 25/11 all-stars at age 30. He didn't look like someone who doesn't care when we played them a few weeks ago.

Maybe he'll settle for a team that isn't a top contender for the right pay day... guess what kind of team the Spurs are.

[K...]

people whine about deroz depression,, poertles lack of heart, and LMA's so so effort at conditioning, but are nitpicking a player? I get not wanting Vuj because of the limited upside, but saying his personality sucks because he's not like kobe is just dumb. this team needs a leader but that's deroz or murray. Stretch bigs aren't usually the heart of the team.

[Thomas82]

Spurs FO is great at drafting and player development. They are terrible at almost everything else. I think we can get a true cornerstone player with a top 5 pick. They won’t tank or trade assets when they have value. So we get stuck picking later and gathering good players who aren’t good enough to make us a title contender.

That about sums it up.

[mo7888]

I'm reading a few reports this morning that Atl is looking to keep JC and resign him because they can't get enough value right now with his $4.1 salary. If they want to do that they will need to jettison one of Capella, Gallo, or Bogdanovic. I wonder if we could work a deal (either now or at the draft) using an expiring contract or cap space to acquire one of them plus Hunter or their 1st? Personally, I like Hunter more than JC as a 3/4 as opposed to JC as a 4/5.

[Dejounte]

I'm reading a few reports this morning that Atl is looking to keep JC and resign him because they can't get enough value right now with his $4.1 salary. If they want to do that they will need to jettison one of Capella, Gallo, or Bogdanovic. I wonder if we could work a deal (either now or at the draft) using an expiring contract or cap space to acquire one of them plus Hunter or their 1st? Personally, I like Hunter more than JC as a 3/4 as opposed to JC as a 4/5.

They're not letting go of Hunter or Capela, from what I've read they're high on them. It'll either be Gallo or Bogdanovic with Huerter as a sweetener. They say Huerter is ineffective when Hunter is playing, so there's your odd man out.

[mo7888]

They're not letting go of Hunter or Capela, from what I've read they're high on them. It'll either be Gallo or Bogdanovic with Huerter as a sweetener. They say Huerter is ineffective when Hunter is playing, so there's your odd man out.

I really am skeptical that Huerter (or Reddish) is enough of a sweetener to move Gallo or Bogdanovic right now... I think a 1st, Okongwu, or Hunter would do it... I see Hunter as a good bit more valuable than Okongwu though... so if we were to go after him I'd expect us to include a 1st and take back salary.

Something like this

https://tradenba.com/trades/Hj5Yh-JrY

[Excessive Egotist]

I'd imagine Atlanta will try very hard to keep Hunter.

Gallo, Reddish, and Huerter for DeRozan and no picks either direction seems fair. The deal favors the Spurs, but if DeRozan gives commitments to resign with Atlanta, it's solid for them too, particularly for current postseason push. I could see Atlanta pushing for the inclusion of Mills or Gay and maybe settling on Lyles (sending one of Snell or Hill back to make the money work).

https://tradenba.com/trades/ZhEAaBcJV

[Dejounte]

I'd imagine Atlanta will try very hard to keep Hunter.

Gallo, Reddish, and Huerter for DeRozan and no picks either direction seems fair. The deal favors the Spurs, but if DeRozan gives commitments to resign with Atlanta, it's solid for them too, particularly for current postseason push. I could see Atlanta pushing for the inclusion of Mills or Gay and maybe settling on Lyles (sending one of Snell or Hill back to make the money work).

https://tradenba.com/trades/ZhEAaBcJV

Correct. Atlanta losing Hunter is equivalent to us losing Keldon. It would be devastating for Spurs fans.

[mo7888]

I'd imagine Atlanta will try very hard to keep Hunter.

Gallo, Reddish, and Huerter for DeRozan and no picks either direction seems fair. The deal favors the Spurs, but if DeRozan gives commitments to resign with Atlanta, it's solid for them too, particularly for current postseason push. I could see Atlanta pushing for the inclusion of Mills or Gay and maybe settling on Lyles (sending one of Snell or Hill back to make the money work).

https://tradenba.com/trades/ZhEAaBcJV

I'd still try and push for Hunter by taking back more salary...

https://tradenba.com/trades/bjFqTiewn

You're also having to negotiate with a GM having a little friction with his owner ...the owner wants to buy and push for the playoffs and the GM wants a longer term plan... this splits the middle for them....it let's the owner make the playoffs and the gm preserve cap space and add a pick to maneuver this summer.

[Dverde]

I really am skeptical that Huerter (or Reddish) is enough of a sweetener to move Gallo or Bogdanovic right now... I think a 1st, Okongwu, or Hunter would do it... I see Hunter as a good bit more valuable than Okongwu though... so if we were to go after him I'd expect us to include a 1st and take back salary.

Something like this

https://tradenba.com/trades/Hj5Yh-JrY

I like it. I think DDR would be a great fit for ATL. He could run the offense with Derrick White’s son and John Collins.

[Excessive Egotist]

I'd still try and push for Hunter by taking back more salary...

https://tradenba.com/trades/bjFqTiewn

You're also having to negotiate with a GM having a little friction with his owner ...the owner wants to buy and push for the playoffs and the GM wants a longer term plan... this splits the middle for them....it let's the owner make the playoffs and the gm preserve cap space and add a pick to maneuver this summer.


I can see the appeal of this deal. I'm not sure Hunter is enough of an upgrade over Huerter + Reddish (my preference) to justify taking on so much extra money. Gallo is old and injury prone. He seems like he is losing a step. Two more years. Bogdan is coming off a bad injury and is only a borderline starter. Three more years.

Playing Devil's Advocate and giving your deal its due: Hunter is a prototypical modern four who is a solid starter or a great piece for an 8 man rotation. Hunter is, atm, clearly better than Huerter and Reddish. Spurs could move Gallo or Bogdan later, perhaps netting draft compensation. Although there is little evidence the team remembers how to participate in market negotiations.

[mo7888]

I can see the appeal of this deal. I'm not sure Hunter is enough of an upgrade over Huerter + Reddish (my preference) to justify taking on so much extra money. Gallo is old and injury prone. He seems like he is losing a step. Two more years. Bogdan is coming off a bad injury and is only a borderline starter. Three more years.

Playing Devil's Advocate and giving your deal its due: Hunter is a prototypical modern four who is a solid starter or a great piece for an 8 man rotation. Hunter is, atm, clearly better than Huerter and Reddish. Spurs could move Gallo or Bogdan later, perhaps netting draft compensation. Although there is little evidence the team remembers how to participate in market negotiations.

That's fair.... I'm also a stumped at how the struggle within their organization between management and ownership will play out... it seems to me that struggles like this end with one side overcompensating a bit and lends itself to them making a deal they probably shouldn't make... I'd like to take advantage of that....

[Excessive Egotist]

Hollinger suggests Mills as a target for Mavericks. Just playing along....if I'm Spurs, I'd ask for a top 15 protected 2022 pick. I doubt Dallas would do that for a playoff rental. Maybe two unprotected seconds? '21 and '23?

Meh.

I'd much rather target Thybulle.

https://tradenba.com/trades/LiQexAacS

[Kurgan]

Hollinger suggests Mills as a target for Mavericks. Just playing along....if I'm Spurs, I'd ask for a top 15 protected 2022 pick. I doubt Dallas would do that for a playoff rental. Maybe two unprotected seconds? '21 and '23?

Meh.

I'd much rather target Thybulle.

https://tradenba.com/trades/LiQexAacS

Lol, Spurs aren't helping Dallas for two crappy 2nd rounders. Also, Patty looks to be a lifer unfortunately. The old man loves dat culture

[mo7888]

Hollinger suggests Mills as a target for Mavericks. Just playing along....if I'm Spurs, I'd ask for a top 15 protected 2022 pick. I doubt Dallas would do that for a playoff rental. Maybe two unprotected seconds? '21 and '23?

Meh.

I'd much rather target Thybulle.

https://tradenba.com/trades/LiQexAacS

Is he suggesting it as something the mavs should do...or is he reporting that the man's are interested in acquiring Mills?

[Excessive Egotist]

Is he suggesting it as something the mavs should do...or is he reporting that the man's are interested in acquiring Mills?

Only suggesting as something they should consider...not reporting.

[Excessive Egotist]

Spurs should be in help themselves mode. I don't think they're too worried about helping others right now, especially with an older vet.

Although, I can see them trying to stay respectful to important vets, like Patty, by only dealing them to a competitive team.

[mo7888]

Spurs should be in help themselves mode. I don't think they're too worried about helping others right now, especially with an older vet.

Although, I can see them trying to stay respectful to important vets, like Patty, by only dealing them to a competitive team.

I agree with that.. I know alot of ppl here wouldn't trade with the mavs period...and its not something I'd really like to do but, if they were willing to overpay a little I'd trade with them.

[Dverde]

Spurs should be in help themselves mode. I don't think they're too worried about helping others right now, especially with an older vet.

Although, I can see them trying to stay respectful to important vets, like Patty, by only dealing them to a competitive team.

LMA isn’t like Timmy, Manu, or David West who gave the Spurs a discount to help the team get players. He got two enormous contracts and I feel he did his best. I would be fine with him staying home rehabbing to get ready for FA next year. But to buy this guy out and still see him in the playoffs on Portland, Lakers hitting buckets against you while still cashing your checks.... Only the Spurs :lol

[pad300]

I'd imagine Atlanta will try very hard to keep Hunter.

Gallo, Reddish, and Huerter for DeRozan and no picks either direction seems fair. The deal favors the Spurs, but if DeRozan gives commitments to resign with Atlanta, it's solid for them too, particularly for current postseason push. I could see Atlanta pushing for the inclusion of Mills or Gay and maybe settling on Lyles (sending one of Snell or Hill back to make the money work).

https://tradenba.com/trades/ZhEAaBcJV

If I was PATFO, I would ask for Okongwu in place of Huerter and Reddish. If we take a 3 for 1 trade, we have to cut someone else prior to trading to make room...

[Excessive Egotist]

If I was PATFO, I would ask for Okongwu in place of Huerter and Reddish. If we take a 3 for 1 trade, we have to cut someone else prior to trading to make room...


Lots of variations for deals with Atlanta. That's positive. There is an opportunity to get something done.

I assume that if we need to open a roster spot, we'll buyout Aldridge or include Lyles in a deal.

[mo7888]

Lots of variations for deals with Atlanta. That's positive. There is an opportunity to get something done.

I assume that if we need to open a roster spot, we'll buyout Aldridge or include Lyles in a deal.

Or just waive Lyles depending on the money coming back..

[RC_Drunkford]

LMA isn’t like Timmy, Manu, or David West who gave the Spurs a discount to help the team get players. He got two enormous contracts and I feel he did his best. I would be fine with him staying home rehabbing to get ready for FA next year. But to buy this guy out and still see him in the playoffs on Portland, Lakers hitting buckets against you while still cashing your checks.... Only the Spurs :lol

LMA was actually on a deal where he made less than Steven Adams, Marc Gasol and a bunch of other overpaid big men

[Dverde]

LMA was actually on a deal where he made less than Steven Adams, Marc Gasol and a bunch of other overpaid big men

:greedy


2015-16
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$19,689,000


2016-17
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$20,575,005


2017-18
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$21,461,010


2018-19
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$22,347,015


2019-20*
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$24,375,000


2020-21
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$24,000,000


Est. Earnings
(15 seasons)
$217,115,888 (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/lamarcus-aldridge-2672/cash-earnings/#)

[TD 21]

It's simultaneously astounding and unsurprising to me that a team on the verge of losing a supposed star for nothing but cap space, with an imbalanced roster, gaping hole at the four and what should be a clear path to a trade for either Collins+ or Gordon+, is somehow not being mentioned in the sweepstakes for either.

Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine. There's nothing secretive about this predictable, stale organization.

It was either Lowe or Goldsberry who said this week that they don't even make calls and sometimes don't return them either. Flat out negligence in one of the 3 areas of team building, when they're already limited in another due to market and organizational ethos and have artificially limited themselves in the other due to a refusal to do a full scale rebuild.

[Dverde]

Supposedly the ask for Aaron Gordon is a first-round pick and a "good young player."

[RC_Drunkford]

:greedy


2015-16
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$19,689,000


2016-17
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$20,575,005


2017-18
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$21,461,010


2018-19
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$22,347,015


2019-20*
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$24,375,000


2020-21
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/nba_sa.png
$24,000,000


Est. Earnings
(15 seasons)
$217,115,888 (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/lamarcus-aldridge-2672/cash-earnings/#)




don't forget LMA was an All-Star for 3 of these years. If you take into considerations that top players were making over 30 million per year it was still a good deal that he was on

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1304221701207724032/qG4BbKAu_normal.jpg
Sam Amick Sam_amick
(https://twitter.com/sam_amick) 2m (https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1373079855948963842)
This would have been the Harrison Barnes showcase game in Boston, except for one thing: The Kings, as I wrote this week, are showing strong signs that they'll try to compete with him in their core. That situation and 11 others here, at @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) theathletic.com/2450395/2021/0… (https://t.co/uQddl0x8eQ)

[ace3g]

Another trend for Heat






P. Achiuwa (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4431679/precious-achiuwa) PF
Has not entered game


A. Iguodala (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala) SF
Has not entered game


M. Harkless (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6591/maurice-harkless) SF
Has not entered game

[Leetonidas]

Supposedly the ask for Aaron Gordon is a first-round pick and a "good young player."


Lol Aaron Gordon is not worth that much

[RC_Drunkford]

Another trend for Heat






P. Achiuwa (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4431679/precious-achiuwa) PF
Has not entered game


A. Iguodala (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala) SF
Has not entered game


M. Harkless (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6591/maurice-harkless) SF
Has not entered game




Precious, Iggy and Harkless for LMA works in the trade machine. Spurs would just have to move one player, probably Lyles

[BackHome]

Celtics loose again to the Kings I wonder how many more losses they going to have before Ainge calls us with a trade package?

[Dverde]

Celtics loose again to the Kings I wonder how many more losses they going to have before Ainge calls us with a trade package?

I give it another year before Tatum asks to be traded. Time has run out for them. LMA or Rudy ain’t saving that sinking ship.

[RC_Drunkford]

Heat also lost against Indy with Sabonis cooking Olynyk

[ace3g]

Elliott probably texted Pop this stat line from Aaron Gordon tonight since he went to Arizona.



Date
OPP
Result
MIN
FG
FG%
3PT
3P%
FT
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Fri 3/19
vshttps://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/bkn.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets)BKN (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets)
W

121-113
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401307420)
36
14-20
70.0
7-8
87.5
3-6
50.0
6
4
0
1
1
7
38

[PhantomDashCam]

Lol Aaron Gordon is not worth that much

‘Depends on the team, you put him on the Warriors or Jazz for example; he could be a game changer.

[PhantomDashCam]

Rockets played everybody they had tonight to end their L streak...still lost...at home...against Detroit. Holy cow.

[tbdog]

‘Depends on the team, you put him on the Warriors or Jazz for example; he could be a game changer.

Gordon would be a good, even a great 3rd option, and probably lose a little value because of recent surge of super teams when 3 stars join up (eg Heat/Warriors/Nets). In saying that, I can't think of a team in the playoffs that wouldn't want Gordon on the contract. He is a dependable shooter, defender, rebounder at that 4 and 3 position.

[B1gduff]

I would not mind Gordon, But now at that Price.
If we can get him at a lower price, it'll be worth the risk. Let Chip and our Development team work with him and see we can unlock anything. Even if we can't he still a postive at the Defensive end.

[Mr. Body]

Celtics loose again to the Kings I wonder how many more losses they going to have before Ainge calls us with a trade package?

Ainge has DL been an atrocious GM the last few years. He's let so much of a good team walk for absolutely nothing -- guys like Al Horford and Hayward. Absolutely nothing in return. Plus his draft picks haven't been good. He dicked Isiah Thomas over so FAs don't want to go there, either.

Brad Stevens keeps saying so, but he could very well vamoose over to Indiana U.'s college basketball job. This Boston team is cooked.

[KobesAchilles]

Ainge has DL been an atrocious GM the last few years. He's let so much of a good team walk for absolutely nothing -- guys like Al Horford and Hayward. Absolutely nothing in return. Plus his draft picks haven't been good. He dicked Isiah Thomas over so FAs don't want to go there, either.

Brad Stevens keeps saying so, but he could very well vamoose over to Indiana U.'s college basketball job. This Boston team is cooked.
I would leave if I were him. He gets a sweet 10 year contract over at IU. He is in charge of the players and doesn’t have to deal with whiney players and a GM who has no idea how to actually build a championship team. Plus Celtics fans are the worst. They feel like they are entitled to win a championship after winning once in the past 35 years.

[Mr. Body]

I would leave if I were him. He gets a sweet 10 year contract over at IU. He is in charge of the players and doesn’t have to deal with whiney players and a GM who has no idea how to actually build a championship team. Plus Celtics fans are the worst. They feel like they are entitled to win a championship after winning once in the past 35 years.

I have no idea why he wouldn't leave. Boston's future looks pretty bleak and there's no way he's there for another couple of years, with a likely house cleaning coming up with both Ainge and the coach going. Only thing I can imagine is that he's had the Duke job in mind for a while, once Ratface finally leaves. With Indiana he'd be treated as a god, just that the program has sucked for a long time.

[Thomas82]

It's simultaneously astounding and unsurprising to me that a team on the verge of losing a supposed star for nothing but cap space, with an imbalanced roster, gaping hole at the four and what should be a clear path to a trade for either Collins+ or Gordon+, is somehow not being mentioned in the sweepstakes for either.

Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine. There's nothing secretive about this predictable, stale organization.

It was either Lowe or Goldsberry who said this week that they don't even make calls and sometimes don't return them either. Flat out negligence in one of the 3 areas of team building, when they're already limited in another due to market and organizational ethos and have artificially limited themselves in the other due to a refusal to do a full scale rebuild.

[tbdog]

I think the most logical trade scenario to get Gordon would be, LMA+Walker+Lyles+1st for Gordon+Ross.

[venitian navigator]

two trades that could be possible...and that could take us two Texas Univesity guys.

Lyles for Culver (that's the man out in Minny; makes a little more money than Lyles; could be an investment in our shooting coach hands);
LMA for Thompson and/or Theis (gives Boston a playoffs big and in any case a big expiring, worth the same of their trade exception, freeing more cap considering Thompson was on a two year deal).

[KingKev]

Lol Aaron Gordon is not worth that much

I’d do Gay, Walker IV and a future 1st for Gordon and Bamba. Much cheaper alternative to paying John Collins max money and lots of upside still with both of those guys.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/1373154577072017413?s=19

Whichever team attains DC isn't going for LMA

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/1373154577072017413?s=19

Whichever team attains DC isn't going for LMA

76ers would be my guess

[Maddog]

It's simultaneously astounding and unsurprising to me that a team on the verge of losing a supposed star for nothing but cap space, with an imbalanced roster, gaping hole at the four and what should be a clear path to a trade for either Collins+ or Gordon+, is somehow not being mentioned in the sweepstakes for either.

Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine. There's nothing secretive about this predictable, stale organization.

It was either Lowe or Goldsberry who said this week that they don't even make calls and sometimes don't return them either. Flat out negligence in one of the 3 areas of team building, when they're already limited in another due to market and organizational ethos and have artificially limited themselves in the other due to a refusal to do a full scale rebuild.

The reason they are not being mentioned in trade talks for Gordon or Collins is that even IF they were interested, they really don't have the goods to reasonably do it.
Personally, I think both of these players highly coveted by many on this board are high risk. Gordon is in year 7 and still more promise than reality. Collins is bit more intriguing, but having seen him a lot I'm on the fence.

[mo7888]

Celtics loose again to the Kings I wonder how many more losses they going to have before Ainge calls us with a trade package?

I'm wondering when Ainge is going to blow it up and trade away one of their 'stars'.... Tatum is probably untouchable or should be.... I think he'll consider anyone else...though it probably won't be until the draft..

[Excessive Egotist]

Celtics players have lost more days to Covid than any other team this season, I think. It's too strange a season for Ainge to overreact. He'll keep this team together through at least next trade deadline.

[PrimeMinister]

Aaron Gordon doesn’t do shit for this team over the course of the next 2 years aside from take minutes away from Keldon and Luka

stop it. Get some help.

[Dejounte]

With how much Keldon is useful around the basket, we need a four who shoots with the best of them.

[mo7888]

With how much Keldon is useful around the basket, we need a four who shoots with the best of them.

That would be an argument for Lauri...

[Dverde]

With how much Keldon is useful around the basket, we need a four who shoots with the best of them.

Unless you are getting an NBA 2nd team level player, you gotta keep Big Body. He is young and raw, but could be a cornerstone in 2-3 years. Much rather trade DJ or White (preferable) to get a great player back. Especially if we got a good shot at re-signing DDR. I more see White as a DDR role replacement with his play making and vision. I don’t see the need to have both on the team when we need help in other areas.

I sure they hell wouldn’t give him up for Gordon, Buddy Hield, Lauri. Maybe Vucevic in a package.

[PrimeMinister]

That would be an argument for Lauri...

a free agent that doesn’t require moving a piece of the young core before they have a chance to play out their rookie deal?

Hes a better fit already.

aaron gordon has become the most overrated, over coveted player in basketball by virtue of the fact Orlando has dangled him every year for what feels like a decade and always just hangs on to him. An ok defender with good moments one on one who is heralded as a “stopper”- an average at best outside shooter and ball handler who plays out of position at the 3 and thinks he is a playmaker.

it’s insane.

[Dejounte]

Unless you are getting an NBA 2nd team level player, you gotta keep Big Body. He is young and raw, but could be a cornerstone in 2-3 years. Much rather trade DJ or White (preferable) to get a great player back. Especially if we got a good shot at re-signing DDR. I more see White as a DDR role replacement with his play making and vision. I don’t see the need to have both on the team when we need help in other areas.

I sure they hell wouldn’t give him up for Gordon, Buddy Hield, Lauri. Maybe Vucevic in a package.

Huh? I meant to play with Keldon, not to replace him.

[Dverde]

Huh? I meant to play with Keldon, not to replace him.

Okay, sorry for misreading. Keldon is probably the only untouchable for me on the team. A lot of potential there.

[Mr. Body]

Celtics players have lost more days to Covid than any other team this season, I think. It's too strange a season for Ainge to overreact. He'll keep this team together through at least next trade deadline.

You sound like a Celtics fan with all the excuses.

[mo7888]

a free agent that doesn’t require moving a piece of the young core before they have a chance to play out their rookie deal?

Hes a better fit already.

aaron gordon has become the most overrated, over coveted player in basketball by virtue of the fact Orlando has dangled him every year for what feels like a decade and always just hangs on to him. An ok defender with good moments one on one who is heralded as a “stopper”- an average at best outside shooter and ball handler who plays out of position at the 3 and thinks he is a playmaker.

it’s insane.

Lauri would be someone I'd like to get because he can play backup 5 as well as the 4... if I couldn't get him, or if his contract demands were to much, I'm good with trading for Gordon myself. I think he's improved and reasonably priced next year so we can keep him if he fits or trade him next season.... I think something like this is possible if we want him

https://tradenba.com/trades/AE3FeeEGe

NY doesn't value Knox so he could be the young player for the magic along with our draft compensation.... NY upgrades for their playoff push and Thibs likes veterans....

[jjktkk]

It's simultaneously astounding and unsurprising to me that a team on the verge of losing a supposed star for nothing but cap space, with an imbalanced roster, gaping hole at the four and what should be a clear path to a trade for either Collins+ or Gordon+, is somehow not being mentioned in the sweepstakes for either.

Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine. There's nothing secretive about this predictable, stale organization.

It was either Lowe or Goldsberry who said this week that they don't even make calls and sometimes don't return them either. Flat out negligence in one of the 3 areas of team building, when they're already limited in another due to market and organizational ethos and have artificially limited themselves in the other due to a refusal to do a full scale rebuild. Beautiful, overall layout, but either, once again, you overdid your endless senseless, posts, or you need to work on that combover "Captain obvious.:whine :bobo

[jjktkk]

A question that bothers me regardless of any trade scenario, is can any of these of these players acquired by the Spurs at the trade deadline actually elevate their play and make their team better?

[Mr. Body]

A question that bothers me regardless of any trade scenario, is can any of these of these players acquired by the Spurs at the trade deadline actually elevate their play and make their team better?

A question that flies over the head of most fans. Otto Porter! Harrison Barnes! Aaron Gordon!

Not a single one of which has lead to victories. Hell, Barnes... such an important piece to the championship-era Warriors... they got rid of him.

[DAF86]

A question that flies over the head of most fans. Otto Porter! Harrison Barnes! Aaron Gordon!

Not a single one of which has lead to victories. Hell, Barnes... such an important piece to the championship-era Warriors... they got rid of him.

Otto Porter Jr. Now that's a player I would like to have. A Porter for Aldridge trade works straight up, I would love for PATFO to inquire about what would it need to be added to make a trade centered around those two possible.

[Mr. Body]

Otto Porter Jr. Now that's a player I would like to have. A Porter for Aldridge trade works straight up, I would love for PATFO to inquire about what would it need to be added to make a trade centered around those two possible.

:lol

[PhantomDashCam]

A question that flies over the head of most fans. Otto Porter! Harrison Barnes! Aaron Gordon!

Not a single one of which has lead to victories. Hell, Barnes... such an important piece to the championship-era Warriors... they got rid of him.

They did sign this guy called Kevin Durant. He was pretty good, worked out ok for them.

[r0drig0lac]

They did sign this guy called Kevin Durant. He was pretty good, worked out ok for them.
yes, but let's say this is just an irrelevant detail that need not be mentioned here.

[Prime BEEF]

I’d do Gay, Walker IV and a future 1st for Gordon and Bamba. Much cheaper alternative to paying John Collins max money and lots of upside still with both of those guys.
I like that trade. Not sure if Orlando would do it...they might though

[Prime BEEF]

It's simultaneously astounding and unsurprising to me that a team on the verge of losing a supposed star for nothing but cap space, with an imbalanced roster, gaping hole at the four and what should be a clear path to a trade for either Collins+ or Gordon+, is somehow not being mentioned in the sweepstakes for either.

Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine. There's nothing secretive about this predictable, stale organization.

It was either Lowe or Goldsberry who said this week that they don't even make calls and sometimes don't return them either. Flat out negligence in one of the 3 areas of team building, when they're already limited in another due to market and organizational ethos and have artificially limited themselves in the other due to a refusal to do a full scale rebuild.
Yup

[Dverde]

Report: 'Close to Inevitable' Raptors Trade Norman Powell

[Dejounte]

Report: 'Close to Inevitable' Raptors Trade Norman Powell

Can't wait for the flurry of trades to start happening. Feels like we're in the eye of the storm.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I’d do Gay, Walker IV and a future 1st for Gordon and Bamba. Much cheaper alternative to paying John Collins max money and lots of upside still with both of those guys.

If possible, this would really help balance the team. Bamba as the back up 5 would be a huge upgrade as well.

[gospursgojas]

Aaron Gordon sucks. This just like when y’all were slobbering over Lavine. Y’all watch too many dunk highlights.

[RC_Drunkford]

Neither Barnes nor Gordon would improve this team significantly. We‘d just get a player that’s a bit better than Rudy Gay. I‘d much rather make a run at Collins and try to get a solid back up big in free agency

[TD 21]

The reason they are not being mentioned in trade talks for Gordon or Collins is that even IF they were interested, they really don't have the goods to reasonably do it.
Personally, I think both of these players highly coveted by many on this board are high risk. Gordon is in year 7 and still more promise than reality. Collins is bit more intriguing, but having seen him a lot I'm on the fence.

Yes, they do. Both are possible DeRozan destinations and neither will have the requisite cap space to sign him outright.

Neither is a magic elixir, but they're both sensible fits for this team and the direction they're going in and they're about the apex of what this team would be capable of signing with their oodles of cap space anyway.

All this talk of these same old names and watch their haul end up being something along the lines of McDermott, Dieng and depending on what happens with Mills, Galloway.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1373417132776697860?s=20

[Teamduncan21]

Neither Barnes nor Gordon would improve this team significantly. We‘d just get a player that’s a bit better than Rudy Gay. I‘d much rather make a run at Collins and try to get a solid back up big in free agency



Some just wants a trade for the sake of trading. Have to understand the trade has to make us better. That's why spurs are picky. Cause they are likely to wanna bid on collins or lauri or whoever so they can't just take on a long term contract on someone who won't really change the team as much

[exstatic]

Neither Barnes nor Gordon would improve this team significantly. We‘d just get a player that’s a bit better than Rudy Gay. I‘d much rather make a run at Collins and try to get a solid back up big in free agency

No one we can trade for or sign this summer is going to make us a title contender. So, you kick the can down the road 2 years to 2023, the next big class. That means trading for guys who can play, and who’s contract expires in two years.

Barnes
Horford
Wiggins

Could be more.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wouldn’t mind trading White for a draft pick and an expiring or just a straight swap for a big tbh. Spurs can’t pay all of the young guards, and he’s the one with the lowest ceiling.

Vassell can take his spot in the starting lineup and the team might improve tbh.

[mo7888]

Wouldn’t mind trading White for a draft pick and an expiring or just a straight swap for a big tbh. Spurs can’t pay all of the young guards, and he’s the one with the lowest ceiling.

Vassell can take his spot in the starting lineup and the team might improve tbh.

It'll have to be in the summer since he's still under the poisoned pill portion of his contract but, yes he should be a trade candidate this summer. If he can rehab his game going down the stretch White + our 1st could be very attractive to some teams around the draft.

[Degoat]

DWhite has a a bad game now we’re trading him, Genius fellas

[TheGreatYacht]

It'll have to be in the summer since he's still under the poisoned pill portion of his contract but, yes he should be a trade candidate this summer. If he can rehab his game going down the stretch White + our 1st could be very attractive to some teams around the draft.
:tu for sure can get a good return or move up in a great draft. If we keep him, I’m alright with it as well. Just don’t want Lonnie to be a cap casualty.

[DPG21920]

Aaron Gordon sucks. This just like when y’all were slobbering over Lavine. Y’all watch too many dunk highlights.

Umm Lavine is very good lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Looks like the Heat are targeting Lowry according to Windhorst. No trade here, they will get LA on the buyout market

[Degoat]

The heat are interested in everybody, if LMA gets bought out I’ll be shocked if he goes anywhere not named the trailblazers

[Dejounte]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/3/21/22343488/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-kyle-lowry-lonzo-ball-john-collins

No new information regarding LaMarcus.

Interesting info about John Collins though. Looks like he will be swept up by another team.

[ace3g]

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Kevin O'Connor KevinOConnorNBA
(https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA) 13m (https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1373750888167260161)
Sources: The Rockets, Warriors, Celtics, Timberwolves, and Trail Blazers have all had talks with the Magic for Aaron Gordon. theringer.com/nba/2021/3/21/… (https://t.co/Oxqp8VMeLd)

[DAF86]

Aaron Gordon sucks. This just like when y’all were slobbering over Lavine. Y’all watch too many dunk highlights.

Is this sarcasm, or you haven't been paying much attention to Lavine lately?

[RC_Drunkford]

I wouldn’t mind Dieng as a back up if he gets bought out

[Degoat]

Such BS if we buyout LMA... wonder when will pop say we like what we have lol at tomorrow’s game, Wednesdays game, or thursdays game?

I mean it doesn’t matter in the end but notice how there aren’t any rumors of the spurs trading LMA it’s all rumors of us buying him out, BS!!! I digress lol

[duncan2150]

I wouldn’t mind Dieng as a back up if he gets bought out


I agree, he could be a decent backup, better thant eubanks ( who is not bad actually). Imo we need a second center to back up poetl.

[CGD]

I agree, he could be a decent backup, better thant eubanks ( who is not bad actually). Imo we need a second center to back up poetl.

Those types will be cheaper in the off-season with more coming online.

For those wanting Collins, the best bet is for ATL to hold on to him this deadline. Anyone who acquires him now is effectively signaling that they are maxing him

[ace3g]

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Rick Bonnell Rick_bonnell
(https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell) 52s (https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/1373799008632770562)
I can confirm that @MELOD1P (https://twitter.com/MELOD1P/) has a broken bone in his right wrist. @ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/) first.

LaMelo

[Dejounte]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/876599836669333504/K-_zIpOE_normal.jpg
Rick Bonnell Rick_bonnell
(https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell) 52s (https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/1373799008632770562)
I can confirm that @MELOD1P (https://twitter.com/MELOD1P/) has a broken bone in his right wrist. @ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/) first.

LaMelo

Out for the season. Wow.

Lonnie's been having wrist issues. Good thing he's fine.

[SpursDynasty85]

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Kevin O'Connor (https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA)Kevin (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52570)OConnorNBA
13m (https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1373750888167260161)
Sources: The Rockets, Warriors, Celtics, Timberwolves, and Trail Blazers have all had talks with the Magic for Aaron Gordon. theringer.com/nba/2021/3/21/… (https://t.co/Oxqp8VMeLd)

funny how guys like Gordon, Wiggins, and Tobias Harris have actual value in the NBA market but Spurstalk members start with “They better attach a 1st to that bad contract.” Lol.

[exstatic]

funny how guys like Gordon, Wiggins, and Tobias Harris have actual value in the NBA market but Spurstalk members start with “They better attach a 1st to that bad contract.” Lol.

Wiggins doesn’t. Harris is on a bad, long contract that expires long after his athleticism. Gordon, a former top 3 pick, extended for about what our late first rounders did, and his team is now ready to move on. None of them are a bargain.

[Teamduncan21]

One pick and one young player for collins. Seems doable if we really want it