NBA Trade Deadline: 2020-21 Season

[KingKev]

The why would be because we could compete more effectively in the west...the why not would be because resigning them would cost alot...

I disagree. Would probably be in higher end of dollar for dollar trades though. If not the highest.

[mo7888]

I disagree. Would probably be in higher end of dollar for dollar trades though. If not the highest.

You disagree with which part? That we'd compete better this season or that it would cost us alot?

[Dejounte]

We're so close! Two more days.

I think everything kicks off after the Oladipo trade.

[Seventyniner]

If Indiana was indeed to make Sabonis available, he would be my dream 4.

https://sports.yahoo.com/pacers-listening-to-pitches-on-malcolm-brogdon-and-domantas-sabonis-could-be-next-152738942.html

Multiple teams are saying the Indiana Pacers are listening to pitches on Malcolm Brogdon and are monitoring Domantas Sabonis as well.

Sabonis would be amazing, but I highly doubt the Pacers move him. Especially for what the Spurs would be willing to offer.

[lmbebo]

https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1374444872279584770?s=21

[mo7888]

I'm kinda thinking that IF we pull off a ddr trade that we make another trade that nobody's expecting.... Like moving DJ... I could see Pop doing something like that if he feels like DJ's value is high. I guess that's my hot take on trades...

[Dverde]

Sabonis would be amazing, but I highly doubt the Pacers move him. Especially for what the Spurs would be willing to offer.

We would have to give them a good young player like Keldon. I’d rather keep him.

[Ditty]

No one is getting traded. Lyles and LMA will be bought out. Will bring someone down from Austin. Team continues to be up and down . Barely make the playoffs. Win one game in the first round. Mills is back next season and Gay & Derozan leave in fee agency. No team is going to help the Spurs.

[Degoat]

I’m surprised LMA would choose to go to Miami over Portland or the LA teams

[Dverde]

I’m surprised LMA would choose to go to Miami over Portland or the LA teams

He could have a gentlemen’s agreement to only go to East teams. Spurs are doing him a favor here.

[Excessive Egotist]

At this point...why not...

https://tradenba.com/trades/SppvGO1ka

I would not put Dejounte in. But otherwise, I'd even include additional draft compensation. I'd sub in Mills and another pick or Mills and Walker for Murray.

[MoSpur02]

If the Spurs are willing to trade DeRozan and Aldridge then might as well trade Mills, Gay, and Lyles. Go all in.

[Mugen]

If the Spurs are willing to trade DeRozan and Aldridge then might as well trade Mills, Gay, and Lyles. Go all in.

Any news/murmuring from your sources, Mo?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/msinger/status/1374467706175377413?s=19

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/msinger/status/1374467706175377413?s=19

:lol Harrison Barnes looks surprised by the news. Nuggets should be looking to add more talent

[TD 21]

:lmao At the arrogant, historically lucky combination of shady Ujiri/Webster and unethical Nurse, finally having their luck turn and being exposed as the frauds they are.

Even though Siakam has also been exposed as not being a star, they're not trading him unless blown away. If/when it becomes a him or Nurse situation at some point, they'll presumably fire the easily replaceable coach first.



If Indiana was indeed to make Sabonis available, he would be my dream 4.

https://sports.yahoo.com/pacers-listening-to-pitches-on-malcolm-brogdon-and-domantas-sabonis-could-be-next-152738942.html

Multiple teams are saying the Indiana Pacers are listening to pitches on Malcolm Brogdon and are monitoring Domantas Sabonis as well.

He's not a 4, he's a 5; he just primarily guards starting 4's because he's starting next to an elite defensive anchor and they're two of the best players on the team and therefore need to play some together.

They're not trading them unless they're blown away though and as good as he is, the Spurs shouldn't/won't be doing so for a 5 who can't protect the rim or stretch the floor.

[talkspurs]

since were throwing out trades that wont happen. https://tradenba.com/trades/Ia83nj--9

DDr goes back to torento and joins back up with Lowery. and 2 picks.

Spurs get a Youngish PF who is pretty good and only have to move back in the draft. (Since DDR may leave already) I dont think Nurse is high on him.

Boston gets a C they could use and also would get another good guard. They are the ones I could see haveing the hardest time with the trade. but since they are getting a good player and not giving up much could see them giving up some picks.

[widowmaker]

No one is getting traded. Lyles and LMA will be bought out. Will bring someone down from Austin. Team continues to be up and down . Barely make the playoffs. Win one game in the first round. Mills is back next season and Gay & Derozan leave in fee agency. No team is going to help the Spurs.


That sounds a lot closer to a harsh reality I can see that happening. But knowing this spurs shouldnt do anybody favors either they shouldn’t buy anybody out let them rot for the rest of the year and let these other teams rot too.

[slick'81]

Any news/murmuring from your sources, Mo?


Unless demar asks out spurs arent dealing him. Noway pop signs off on a full rebuild outta nowhere

[PhantomDashCam]

He's not a 4, he's a 5; he just primarily guards starting 4's because he's starting next to an elite defensive anchor and they're two of the best players on the team and therefore need to play some together.

They're not trading them unless they're blown away though and as good as he is, the Spurs shouldn't/won't be doing so for a 5 who can't protect the rim or stretch the floor.

I agree in the fact that he is more suited to playing the 5 but he has shown an ability to play some stretch-ish 4 at times.
Again just spitballing here but with the capabilities of our defensive wings - DJ, White and Vassell - you could probably get away with Sabonis as a full time 5. I would be most interested however, to see if they could make a Poeltl/Sabonis combo. work going forward.

Hypothetical -

SA
T.J Warren
D. Sabonis

INDY
DDR
LWIV
2 x Future 1STs

That's not bad value for both teams...

[TD 21]

I agree in the fact that he is more suited to playing the 5 but he has shown an ability to play some stretch-ish 4 at times.
Again just spitballing here but with the capabilities of our defensive wings - DJ, White and Vassell - you could probably get away with Sabonis as a full time 5. I would be most interested however, to see if they could make a Poeltl/Sabonis combo. work going forward.

Hypothetical -

SA
T.J Warren
D. Sabonis

INDY
DDR
LWIV
2 x Future 1STs

That's not bad value for both teams...

Sabonis-Poeltl is untenable. Sabonis-Turner only kind of, soft of works because Turner is a stretch five. Poeltl's rim running would clog Sabonis' post ups.

Once the Spurs applied the requisite protections to those 1sts (top 3-5?), whatever interest the Pacers might have in trading their best options at the four (and they probably won't be able to re-sign McDermott) would likely be squashed.

[Dejounte]

Buried beneath all these trade scenarios is the smoke coming from Charlotte wanting DeMar again. This is the second time they've appeared in rumors for DeMar. I know people's preference is a trade with Atlanta or Chicago, but we can't ignore Charlotte...

[Excessive Egotist]

Buried beneath all these trade scenarios is the smoke coming from Charlotte wanting DeMar again. This is the second time they've appeared in rumors for DeMar. I know people's preference is a trade with Atlanta or Chicago, but we can't ignore Charlotte...


FWIW: my preference is Atlanta or Golden State. I see a lot of three team possibilities with Golden State.

[Dejounte]

FWIW: my preference is Atlanta or Golden State. I see a lot of three team possibilities with Golden State.

Imagine the backlash if GS knocks the Spurs out of the playoff picture because of a player we traded to them. It would be too controversial lmao

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1374464640684417028

[spurspl]

sale antonio spurs, lets go!!

[BillMc]

Package LMA, DD, Trey, Rudy and Patty for a second roung pick. Throw in a Duncan "Punisher" knee brace to sweeten the deal, but we'd better get a first back then. :hat

[spurraider21]

:lol please... this will be a "we like what we have" situation and LMA will be bought out

spurs FO hasn't had the stones to make a trade for years now, except when a player demanded a trade. but yeah, in an ideal world, everybody goes. LMA, DDR, Gay, Mills, Lyles.

[BackHome]

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1374464640684417028

I like Rudy but if we could trade Sean Elliott we can trade Rudy - One thing I can say about Derozz, and Rudy is that they are true professionals they not winning about touches and then leaking out they want to be traded. I think they and there agents are working with the Spurs to get a deal that both parties can sign off on and if he is traded I wish him the best he is a cool dude

[Excessive Egotist]

Imagine the backlash if GS knocks the Spurs out of the playoff picture because of a player we traded to them. It would be too controversial lmao

In this scenario, I see that as an added benefit. The missing the playoffs part, not the backlash. But I honestly don't think losing DeMar dramatically decreases our playoff odds.

(This make it seem like I'm super low on DeMar's contributions to the team. I'm not. He's a good player. I just think there is a race to the bottom in the west starting next week and even without DeMar, we'd had have a decent chance to make postseason.)

[gospursgojas]

What if we trade Rudy before or on DJ Rudy Gay bobble head night

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374522824002478083?s=19

[Dejounte]

What if we trade Rudy before or on DJ Rudy Gay bobble head night

Instant comedy.

[PhantomDashCam]

What if we trade Rudy before or on DJ Rudy Gay bobble head night


Instant comedy.

And to the Clippers, playing with and then against the Spurs on b2b nights. #culturebedamned :lol

[SPURt]

What if we trade Rudy before or on DJ Rudy Gay bobble head night
This would be epic! Pure awesomeness!

[The Truth #6]

He could have a gentlemen’s agreement to only go to East teams. Spurs are doing him a favor here.

I’d make him only go to the Clippers just so he could end up sabotaging them. I’m not convinced he’s ready to go to another team and play winning team basketball. I suppose it’s possible in the same way Bobo came here and rejuvenated his game, but I’m highly skeptical. He can go wherever he wants in my opinion.

[The Truth #6]

:lmao At the arrogant, historically lucky combination of shady Ujiri/Webster and unethical Nurse, finally having their luck turn and being exposed as the frauds they are.

Even though Siakam has also been exposed as not being a star, they're not trading him unless blown away. If/when it becomes a him or Nurse situation at some point, they'll presumably fire the easily replaceable coach first.




He's not a 4, he's a 5; he just primarily guards starting 4's because he's starting next to an elite defensive anchor and they're two of the best players on the team and therefore need to play some together.

They're not trading them unless they're blown away though and as good as he is, the Spurs shouldn't/won't be doing so for a 5 who can't protect the rim or stretch the floor.

Wait, what? Refresh me. What was so unethical about those three?

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 2m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374541227455094786)
Sources: Raptors discussing Kyle Lowry and Norman Powell deals on multiple fronts and those talks are expected to extend into Wednesday --- and perhaps even Thursday. Philadelphia, Miami are interested in Lowry, but both have shown restraint in how far they'll go to get a deal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1264902234703265794/lC3YnIYF_normal.jpg
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 1m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374541620033548288) Beyond Lowry, Sixers have shown interest in other guards available in the marketplace -- including Powell, Lonzo Ball and George Hill, sources said.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1374540184637693954?s=19

No more JC dreamin'

RC_Drunkford
cd021

[Dejounte]

This ruined the Spurs' chances:

https://twitter.com/3weBasketball/status/1360449264099291138?s=19

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

"we like what we have"

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t complain if we added JC but he’s not the spurs type imo Lauri I think is who we could target but who knows... can’t wait for us to buy out LMA and Lyles (sigh)

[Dverde]

Ready yourself for the Al Horford era.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/1374535756438441987?s=19

[dokdok]

With all these rumors around I really hope the Spurs do SOMETHING rather than ride with the team until everyone just leaves in free agency

[YoungbuckMurray]

Moving out Rudy would be nice so we could get Luka those mins. He deserves them based on what he showed in that 5 game covid span

[bluebellmaniac]

With all these rumors around I really hope the Spurs do SOMETHING rather than ride with the team until everyone just leaves in free agency

DMDR has value. LMA has much less. The issue is that if we have a max or close to max player signed this off-season, the ramifications come in 3 years when several of our shining young talent come up for a new contract. I'd rather go with several more talented players over 1 max player.

[cool cat]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/1374535756438441987?s=19

That wont be solved if he gets traded to the Rockets lol

[exstatic]

Ready yourself for the Al Horford era.

There are worse outcomes. He’s been in “the system” before, under Bud in ATL. His game has aged much better than LMA’s. He shoots over 5 treys a game at 37%, and is also a secondary playmaker. He can play with, and also spell Poeltl. His contract ends in 2023, the next decent FA class. He’s been a positive for both OBPM and DBPM every year since his rookie season.

[GAustex]

Pop will like Horford
He aint dumb as a rock like LMA

[BillMc]

There are worse outcomes. He’s been in “the system” before, under Bud in ATL. His game has aged much better than LMA’s. He shoots over 5 treys a game at 37%, and is also a secondary playmaker. He can play with, and also spell Poeltl. His contract ends in 2023, the next decent FA class. He’s been a positive for both OBPM and DBPM every year since his rookie season.

By all accounts one of the NBA good guys too.

[Dverde]

We went from a playoff streak to a buyout streak. Big Al will be solid vet, but he’ll want out at a certain point too.

[Degoat]

From the NBASupes guys on the hawks forum... no details though

“This just in, expect a lot of trades tomorrow. Don't expect Atlanta to do anything. There was some interest in a backup 5 but that died down considering the market and what we have that's available (Goodwin/Bruno). Dunn makes Atlanta interest in getting another PG slim to none. The market is too expensive for the most part for what Atlanta has as pieces. The better pieces you have, the more people want them for cheap. “

[Degoat]

Man I know ST can be pretty delusional at times but some of those hawks fans are fcking nuts, they value there players like pop values Patty lol

[Mr. Body]

I know it's not going to happen and his salary is terrible, but Horford would be perfect for this team just as a basketball player.

[cd021]

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1374540184637693954?s=19

No more JC dreamin'

RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010)
cd021 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36264)

Kawhi said that he wanted to play with the Spurs for his entire career in March of 2018, and demanded a trade in July. Players say things sometimes. Still not entirely convinced.

[tim_duncan_fan]

My cynical side says we're not going to do anything besides buy out LaMarcus and squeak into the playoffs for no reason.

[bluebellmaniac]

My cynical side says we're not going to do anything besides buy out LaMarcus and squeak into the playoffs for no reason.

And that would be fine.

[RC_Drunkford]

This ruined the Spurs' chances:

https://twitter.com/3weBasketball/status/1360449264099291138?s=19

:lmao :lmao :lmao

as usual you are reading too much into this. David West and Zaza almost threw punches only to play together the following season

[Dejounte]

as usual you are reading too much into this. David West and Zaza almost threw punches only to play together the following season

Sig bet that JC doesn't come to the Spurs?

[mo7888]

Man I know ST can be pretty delusional at times but some of those hawks fans are fcking nuts, they value there players like pop values Patty lol

Very true..

[mo7888]

I expect this afternoon we start seeing trades announced..

[Dejounte]

Rockets fan forum insider tidbits:

"The Sixers also are taking offers for Paul Reed as well so they may add even more to the roster."

"Hearing that the Sixers are quite serious about Lowry and extending him if they get him. If Philadelphia is willing to go all out for Lowry then I don’t see how Miami possibly gets him without including Herro.

Also, while it is true Lowry is 36-37 years old, he is playing very well and is healthy and an extension for him is two seasons... Oladipo wants a longer extension for more money and more years.

The Heat have Dinwiddie as a back up plan but I am not sure what they send to NJ as the Nets want a post player for him."

"Hawks are a good choice.

The Hawks management has a lot of pressure to win now and make the playoffs.

The Hawks have payroll issues being able to afford to resign Collins so they want to trade players under contract.

The Hawks need a veteran and a defensive wing.

The Hawks have young players and assets to trade."

"The Hawks ownership has put tremendous pressure on the front office to win now... they have allowed a rebuild and now expect results to start happening, and that includes making the playoffs.

The Hawks are going to need to pay Collins this summer and seem resigned to the fact it will be the maximum so they need to clear money off the books. However, the Hawks are also looking for a good defensive borderline all star type perimeter player to add to their team to help push towards the playoffs. So how can the Hawks add that type of player? They are running into a financial cluster and they also don't want to lose future draft picks.

Trading Reddish and Okongwu helps them cover up their mistakes signing Bogdanovich and Dunn and it also insulates them from the lack or production by Reddish. As for Okongwu, he plays spots where the Hawks have better players. The Hawks drop 32 million off their commitments next year and can either sign Oladipo to an extension or have money sign Collins and add another player in free agency.

The trade can be extended to include other salary like Rondo for additional assets, depending on what the Rockets and Hawks are willing to tolerate."

"The Hawks want Oladipo but do not want to trade any draft picks.

The Hawks also want to get rid of Brogdan to clear cap space."

"Pistons ownership want to win. They never have had the stomach for a proper rebuild. They know that they are not going to be able to sign a star in free agency, so they think Oladipo is the type of player they can potentially get long term if they trade for him and offer him the max.

So you have a GM getting pressure from above and below (Casey) to win. They have likely convinced themselves that Jerami Grant and Victor Oladipo plus a high lottery pick are enough to compete long term.

As outsiders we can say that is not enough... but look at these boards, there are fans on here that don’t think the Rockets need a rebuild while those on the outside are saying “the Rockets need to start over”."


Info matches up with ATL insider

[BacktoBasics]

I haven't followed but isn't Reddish looking better this year?

[Dejounte]

I haven't followed but isn't Reddish looking better this year?

They say he hasn't taken a leap like Hunter has. The words used were "boom or bust" when he's on the court. He's "not a steady player" you can rely on and some ATL fans prefer Tony Snell for the starter position over him because of this.

[mo7888]

Rockets fan forum insider tidbits:

"The Sixers also are taking offers for Paul Reed as well so they may add even more to the roster."

"Hearing that the Sixers are quite serious about Lowry and extending him if they get him. If Philadelphia is willing to go all out for Lowry then I don’t see how Miami possibly gets him without including Herro.

Also, while it is true Lowry is 36-37 years old, he is playing very well and is healthy and an extension for him is two seasons... Oladipo wants a longer extension for more money and more years.

The Heat have Dinwiddie as a back up plan but I am not sure what they send to NJ as the Nets want a post player for him."

"Hawks are a good choice.

The Hawks management has a lot of pressure to win now and make the playoffs.

The Hawks have payroll issues being able to afford to resign Collins so they want to trade players under contract.

The Hawks need a veteran and a defensive wing.

The Hawks have young players and assets to trade."

"The Hawks ownership has put tremendous pressure on the front office to win now... they have allowed a rebuild and now expect results to start happening, and that includes making the playoffs.

The Hawks are going to need to pay Collins this summer and seem resigned to the fact it will be the maximum so they need to clear money off the books. However, the Hawks are also looking for a good defensive borderline all star type perimeter player to add to their team to help push towards the playoffs. So how can the Hawks add that type of player? They are running into a financial cluster and they also don't want to lose future draft picks.

Trading Reddish and Okongwu helps them cover up their mistakes signing Bogdanovich and Dunn and it also insulates them from the lack or production by Reddish. As for Okongwu, he plays spots where the Hawks have better players. The Hawks drop 32 million off their commitments next year and can either sign Oladipo to an extension or have money sign Collins and add another player in free agency.

The trade can be extended to include other salary like Rondo for additional assets, depending on what the Rockets and Hawks are willing to tolerate."

"The Hawks want Oladipo but do not want to trade any draft picks.

The Hawks also want to get rid of Brogdan to clear cap space."

"Pistons ownership want to win. They never have had the stomach for a proper rebuild. They know that they are not going to be able to sign a star in free agency, so they think Oladipo is the type of player they can potentially get long term if they trade for him and offer him the max.

So you have a GM getting pressure from above and below (Casey) to win. They have likely convinced themselves that Jerami Grant and Victor Oladipo plus a high lottery pick are enough to compete long term.

As outsiders we can say that is not enough... but look at these boards, there are fans on here that don’t think the Rockets need a rebuild while those on the outside are saying “the Rockets need to start over”."


Info matches up with ATL insider

If that's really what Atlanta wants...they should approach the Spurs about a DeRozan + DJ package.... it would cost them but that's the price of getting what they need.

[Dejounte]

I expect this afternoon we start seeing trades announced..

Last year's trade deadline, these trades happened:

• Reports: Cavs pick up Pistons’ Drummond
• Marcus Morris headed to Clippers, per reports
• Reports: Wolves deal Wiggins to Warriors for Russell
• Reports: Wolves get in on Heat-Grizzlies swap
• Reports: Wizards trade McRae to Nuggets for Napier
• Sixers reportedly trade Ennis to Magic
• Hawks reportedly add Labissiere
• Rockets reportedly add Caboclo
• Walton Jr. reportedly dealt to Hawks
• Report: Grizzlies, Heat agree on 6-player trade
• Report: Grizzlies to waive Waiters
• Reports: Burks, Robinson off to Sixers

https://www.nba.com/2019-20-trade-tracker

10 of these trades happened on the day of the trade deadline. Only two happened the day before.

Probably only a couple trades happen today. We'll see.


If that's really what Atlanta wants...they should approach the Spurs about a DeRozan + DJ package.... it would cost them but that's the price of getting what they need.

IMO, no need to include DJ...

[Dejounte]

In 2018-2019,

Six trades happened the day before the trade deadline and 13 happened on the day of.

[duncan2150]

Yes the majority of trades happens on the last day.

I just hope the Spurs will take at least a better back up C than Eubanks. Imo they will not be a lot of moves on our side, juste aldridge BO, maybe something with Lyles but that's it. But who knows ? we'll see.

[mo7888]

Last year's trade deadline, these trades happened:

• Reports: Cavs pick up Pistons’ Drummond
• Marcus Morris headed to Clippers, per reports
• Reports: Wolves deal Wiggins to Warriors for Russell
• Reports: Wolves get in on Heat-Grizzlies swap
• Reports: Wizards trade McRae to Nuggets for Napier
• Sixers reportedly trade Ennis to Magic
• Hawks reportedly add Labissiere
• Rockets reportedly add Caboclo
• Walton Jr. reportedly dealt to Hawks
• Report: Grizzlies, Heat agree on 6-player trade
• Report: Grizzlies to waive Waiters
• Reports: Burks, Robinson off to Sixers

https://www.nba.com/2019-20-trade-tracker

10 of these trades happened on the day of the trade deadline. Only two happened the day before.

Probably only a couple trades happen today. We'll see.



IMO, no need to include DJ...


I'm not talking about us needing to include DJ.... I'm saying Atlanta should want him.... I wouldn't give DJ away and still expect the same package we've talked about for DeRozan. We should get more...it should cost them..but they should be aggressive about wanting him if the article you shared is correct.

As for the trades today, I think you're right. We probably see 2 or 3 significant ones that clear the stage for the flurry we get tomorrow.

[Dex]

I would hate to do DeRozan dirty by sending him to the Magic. Of course he could jet in the offseason.

That's why I don't see the incentive for the Magic unless they are just trying to clear cap space...which I suppose could be a big possibility.

If DeRozan doesn't want to hang around the Spurs, he sure as shit isn't going to want to re-up to waste the rest of his career in Orlando.

[mo7888]

That's why I don't see the incentive for the Magic unless they are just trying to clear cap space...which I suppose could be a big possibility.

If DeRozan doesn't want to hang around the Spurs, he sure as shit isn't going to want to re-up to waste the rest of his career in Orlando.

Unless they would max him 4 years as opposed to our 2 year max?

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/1374535756438441987?s=19

Look in the mirror buddy.

[Dex]

Unless they would max him 4 years as opposed to our 2 year max?

True.

And as we've seen, players can always grab that bag, then turn around and demand a trade later.

[FutureMan]

Unless they would max him 4 years as opposed to our 2 year max?

The incentive for Demar would be money and being on an eastern conference team.

The incentive for the Magic is a “big three” of Issac, Vucevic, and DeRozan. If healthy that team would be a playoff team and possibly a second round playoff team. Something they haven’t been able to achieve since Dwight Howard left in 2009.

[Excessive Egotist]

I haven't followed but isn't Reddish looking better this year?

No progress in decision making (shot selection) and no improvement in shooting. But I don't think that anyone doubts he's a career plus defender, especially with good coaching. I personally think his offense is very fixable, which is why I'm bullish on adding him if he can be got. He's not Thybulle or Lu Dort, but he can guard four positions and play up tempo. He's a good fit for Spurs' system on both ends, with the cavaet that he needs to become a more reliable three point shooter. He could also play power forward, allowing Keldon more time at wing. I'd be fine with Johnson/Samanic/Reddish as our big wing rotation next season.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/1374735894234738693?s=19

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/1374735894234738693?s=19

Your word is just your word. Spurs learned the hard way.

[mo7888]

Go for it Pop...(yes I'm bored waiting on something to be announced)

https://tradenba.com/trades/BXDER4cKn

It get the Clips the playmaker they covet and a PF that comes off the books this summer..

Atlanta gets the defensive wing they need along with a 1st and 10M off the books this summer to resign Collins..

Minny moves salary and adds a young piece...

We get a Keldon/Hunter front court to replace ddr this summer and a tougher team with more dawg in it to compete this season so our kids get real playoff experience.

Fire away...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1374696811449946117?s=19

[Bellboy]

I could live with this latest musing from Bleacher Report.

Orlando: Derozan

SA: Fournier, Bamba, 2023 2nd Rounder

[Excessive Egotist]

I could live with this latest musing from Bleacher Report.

Orlando: Derozan

SA: Fournier, Bamba, 2023 2nd Rounder

Not terrible, but not great either.

[exstatic]

Go for it Pop...(yes I'm bored waiting on something to be announced)

https://tradenba.com/trades/BXDER4cKn

It get the Clips the playmaker they covet and a PF that comes off the books this summer..

Atlanta gets the defensive wing they need along with a 1st and 10M off the books this summer to resign Collins..

Minny moves salary and adds a young piece...

We get a Keldon/Hunter front court to replace ddr this summer and a tougher team with more dawg in it to compete this season so our kids get real playoff experience.

Fire away...

Fuck the Clippers. I’d rather tread water than help them at all.

[B1gduff]

Sound like Bol Bol is on the move, maybe Morris or some on the Clips.

Interesting to see if Rudy is gone, and if yeah, likely means Demar is next.

[Excessive Egotist]

I could live with this latest musing from Bleacher Report.

Orlando: Derozan

SA: Fournier, Bamba, 2023 2nd Rounder

See a possibility at a first.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374439732734660614

[mo7888]

Fuck the Clippers. I’d rather tread water than help them at all.

I think it helps us more than them...they can get Rubio without us...but, I do understand the sentiment lol

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1374761876761014272?s=09

Mentions lingering injuries, probably Lonnie's wrist... Sugus

[The Truth #6]

Fuck the Clippers. I’d rather tread water than help them at all.

I'm in the minority, but I feel like giving them LMA would cause further turmoil on their team. LMA is a trojan horse in my opinion.

[spurs1990]

I'd like to see Aldridge get a ring. The Nets would be a great team for him to join in that regard. Would be a team Spurs fans can follow if we're not in the hunt in May.

[GAustex]

Bamba no good
No to Bamba

[Dverde]

Wtf is up with Lowry...he’s 35 and short. Toronto acting like he’s James Harden. Talk about selling high.

[Mr. Body]

Wtf is up with Lowry...he’s 35 and short. Toronto acting like he’s James Harden. Talk about selling high.

Lowry would nearly kingmake a team without any PG, like the Clippers. But it is strange -- he was regarded as a massive choker until the Raptors finally won, and now he's practically indispensible.

[Dex]

Bamba no good
No to Bamba

Thanks Kevin.

[pad300]

Go for it Pop...(yes I'm bored waiting on something to be announced)

https://tradenba.com/trades/BXDER4cKn

It get the Clips the playmaker they covet and a PF that comes off the books this summer..

Atlanta gets the defensive wing they need along with a 1st and 10M off the books this summer to resign Collins..

Minny moves salary and adds a young piece...

We get a Keldon/Hunter front court to replace ddr this summer and a tougher team with more dawg in it to compete this season so our kids get real playoff experience.

Fire away...

This is terrible. The 2 most valuable assets in that trade are DJ and our first round pick... and we get the Pu-Pu platter back. WTF?

[mo7888]

This is terrible. The 2 most valuable assets in that trade are DJ and our first round pick... and we get the Pu-Pu platter back. WTF?

Hunter is the most valuable asset in that trade....I like DJ but he's not nearly as valuable as Hunter.

[Excessive Egotist]

Hunter is the most valuable asset in that trade....I like DJ but he's not nearly as valuable as Hunter.

Why do you project Hunter as more valuable than DJ. I'm not certain. I like each player, but it isn't obvious to me that one is obviously better than the other.

[Ignazzz]

Higher celling, our biggest needed position, higher NCAA and Draft rank and better salary contract.

[spurspl]

See a possibility at a first.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1374439732734660614

this is too good to be true tbh

[The Truth #6]

Hard to predict the overall trade activity this year. There might be very few trades in the end. Getting closer, we’ll see.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Magic have what? The 4th pick currently right? If they get DeMar they would probably climb up in the standings, but the pick might still be top 10. Not a bad deal if it's this years pick

[Dejounte]

Kawhi said that he wanted to play with the Spurs for his entire career in March of 2018, and demanded a trade in July. Players say things sometimes. Still not entirely convinced.


as usual you are reading too much into this. David West and Zaza almost threw punches only to play together the following season

Does Woj saying it still not convince y'all? :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1374794197987962887?s=19

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

From my Magic guy:

If ATL decides to go big then he thinks DDR would emerge as their 1st choice as he can bridge gap as Hunter develops offensively. Also appears Hawks have come around to matching any offer for Collins and moving other player(s) to manage cap space. Sounds like at this time GM is winning argument, but as they have gotten no where in discussing some smaller deals for immediate help it increases chance ownership steps in. GM would prefer to make deal for Olidipo but Rockets wanting too much and Hawks FO isn't that high him but feel he is a good fit for right price. There has been unofficial talk between the Hawks & Spurs organizations, sounds like ATL framework for a deal was likely Bodan, Reddish, Okongwu, Rondo for DDR, Walker, Lyles, & 2 picks. I am guessing a bit as he didn't know all players involved but did know it was Bodan+Rondo+prospect(s) for DDR, Walker, and 2 picks. This sounds like a starting point for ATL & not likely would be the deal. He would be surprised if DDR is moved but not shocked. Again watch Gay/Mills, as if one of those move it is highly likely for DDR trade to follow. Also a posibility of third team getting involved with ATL/SA and Gay being part of the deal.


Sounds like it will take a very rich offer for Magic to move Gordon or Vuc this trade cycle. More likely a smaller deal involving Fournier, Ross, Birch, and/or Bamba.

Also a DDR deal was explored last year involving Fournier, but nothing has been discussed recently. Magic GM loves Derozan and knows him well but not likely to resign with Magic and doesn't see them departing with this year's pick in a deal like that unless top 10 protected. He says as of February Derozan was happy with Spurs and that extension disagreement is more years/option issue than money.

[ceperez]

I could live with this latest musing from Bleacher Report.

Orlando: Derozan

SA: Fournier, Bamba, 2023 2nd Rounder

I'll take it!

[Seventyniner]

From my Magic guy:

If ATL decides to go big then he thinks DDR would emerge as their 1st choice as he can bridge gap as Hunter develops offensively. Also appears Hawks have come around to matching any offer for Collins and moving other player(s) to manage cap space. Sounds like at this time GM is winning argument, but as they have gotten no where in discussing some smaller deals for immediate help it increases chance ownership steps in. GM would prefer to make deal for Olidipo but Rockets wanting too much and Hawks FO isn't that high him but feel he is a good fit for right price. There has been unofficial talk between the Hawks & Spurs organizations, sounds like ATL framework for a deal was likely Bodan, Reddish, Okongwu, Rondo for DDR, Walker, Lyles, & 2 picks. I am guessing a bit as he didn't know all players involved but did know it was Bodan+Rondo+prospect(s) for DDR, Walker, and 2 picks. This sounds like a starting point for ATL & not likely would be the deal. He would be surprised if DDR is moved but not shocked. Again watch Gay/Mills, as if one of those move it is highly likely for DDR trade to follow. Also a posibility of third team getting involved with ATL/SA and Gay being part of the deal.


Sounds like it will take a very rich offer for Magic to move Gordon or Vuc this trade cycle. More likely a smaller deal involving Fournier, Ross, Birch, and/orBamba

The Spurs would give up Walker and 2 picks?! Atlanta is getting the best player in the deal and the Spurs are taking the worst contract (Bogdanovic). If any picks are involved it should be the Hawks giving one to the Spurs, not the other way around.

[BacktoBasics]

From my Magic guy:

If ATL decides to go big then he thinks DDR would emerge as their 1st choice as he can bridge gap as Hunter develops offensively. Also appears Hawks have come around to matching any offer for Collins and moving other player(s) to manage cap space. Sounds like at this time GM is winning argument, but as they have gotten no where in discussing some smaller deals for immediate help it increases chance ownership steps in. GM would prefer to make deal for Olidipo but Rockets wanting too much and Hawks FO isn't that high him but feel he is a good fit for right price. There has been unofficial talk between the Hawks & Spurs organizations, sounds like ATL framework for a deal was likely Bodan, Reddish, Okongwu, Rondo for DDR, Walker, Lyles, & 2 picks. I am guessing a bit as he didn't know all players involved but did know it was Bodan+Rondo+prospect(s) for DDR, Walker, and 2 picks. This sounds like a starting point for ATL & not likely would be the deal. He would be surprised if DDR is moved but not shocked. Again watch Gay/Mills, as if one of those move it is highly likely for DDR trade to follow. Also a posibility of third team getting involved with ATL/SA and Gay being part of the deal.


Sounds like it will take a very rich offer for Magic to move Gordon or Vuc this trade cycle. More likely a smaller deal involving Fournier, Ross, Birch, and/orBamba

Makes no sense for SA. Walker carries more value than any of those mentioned.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs would give up Walker and 2 picks?! Atlanta is getting the best player in the deal and the Spurs are taking the worst contract (Bogdanovic). If any picks are involved it should be the Hawks giving one to the Spurs, not the other way around.

I'm not so attached to the Spurs' picks. I think there's such a thing as too many young players. You're already getting one project from ATL so to me it's as if that was already our first round pick.

[Leetonidas]

Does Woj saying it still not convince y'all? :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1374794197987962887?s=19

they're saying that you thinking a minor scuffle in a random regular season game had no impact on his decision, tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Makes no sense for SA. Walker carries more value than any of those mentioned.

exactly and DeRozan is the best player out of the bunch. The only interesting piece from the Hawks would be Reddish.


Does Woj saying it still not convince y'all? :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1374794197987962887?s=19

I was talking about the altercation, not Collins getting traded dummy

[Dejounte]

Makes no sense for SA. Walker carries more value than any of those mentioned.

Does he though? Other than the occasional scoring outburst, he's been very underwhelming as a 3rd year player. Not saying he's a throw in to this trade, but I think when you consider what you're getting back it could look like a fair deal.

[Degoat]

Not to be a Debbie downer, but I can’t see the spurs doing anything. No way they do a multiplayer trade. Really disappointed we werent able to find a trade for LMA

[Dejounte]

they're saying that you thinking a minor scuffle in a random regular season game had no impact on his decision, tbh


exactly and DeRozan is the best player out of the bunch. The only interesting piece from the Hawks would be Reddish.



I was talking about the altercation, not Collins getting traded dummy

Ah, well my bad. Didn't think that post would be taken serious.

[Degoat]

I think I would rather had Cam Reddish over Lonnie...

[Dejounte]

Not to be a Debbie downer, but I can’t see the spurs doing anything. No way they do a multiplayer trade. Really disappointed we werent able to find a trade for LMA

Do you think Drummond is a better player than LMA?

[PhantomDashCam]

It’s funny how ATL trades seems to be linked to everyone bar John Collins now. Winning truly does cure all ills.

If they had of just drafted Haliburton in the first place. The fit was evident.

Are they really open to trading OO already?

Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

[spurraider21]

Collins has said he wants to stay in ATL but he also declined a 4/90 extension. it depends if the Hawks are willing to get at/near max territory with him

[YoungbuckMurray]

Part of me is tired of the Spurs being such a first class organization and getting screwed over on the trade market, etc. If nobody wants to trade for LMA I say to hell with it I’m not buying him out and he can be our backup C. What has being a first class organization and doing right by every player done for this team?

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Makes no sense for SA. Walker carries more value than any of those mentioned.

I definitely don't think the Spurs would do this or should. I think it is common for these deals to start somewhat lopsided especially when having initial conversations. He was not aware of any official talks between ATL/Spurs. I asked what he considered "official talks" and he said talk between the actual decision makers of the organizations. In this case initial talks have been between an assistant in ATL FO and a consultant for Spurs FO.

[Degoat]

Do you think Drummond is a better player than LMA?

Idk I think LMA is probably better but I maybe being bias. I think Drummond adds some value too, neither guy should be bought out imo

[Dejounte]

Idk I think LMA is probably better but I maybe being bias. I think Drummond adds some value too, neither guy should be bought out imo

I'm just saying...

The logic here is if you think Drummond is a better player than LMA and if he's headed for a buyout also,

Then,

It is less about the Spurs' inability to find a trade for LMA, and more that the trade market isn't great for players like LMA, Drummond.

[Degoat]

I'm just saying...

The logic here is if you think Drummond is a better player than LMA and if he's headed for a buyout also,

Then,

It is less about the Spurs' inability to find a trade for LMA, and more that the trade market isn't great for players like LMA, Drummond.

For sure I know what you’re saying, for me it’s more of a frustration that spurs didnt foresee LMAs decline and not moving on from him before now too. Like the spurs wait until the absolute last season before they move on from a guy

[JuneJive]

He says as of February Derozan was happy with Spurs and that extension disagreement is more years/option issue than money.

Ugh. Please don't extend him.

[Mr. Body]

I think I would rather had Cam Reddish over Lonnie...

Wow. I'm not sure I'd take Cam Reddish for free.

[Maddog]

Collins has said he wants to stay in ATL but he also declined a 4/90 extension. it depends if the Hawks are willing to get at/near max territory with him

Collins is a gamble
There was a really good article in the ringer that I posted earlier about the pros and cons of maxing him out.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/3/22/22343534/john-collins-atlanta-hawks-trade-deadline

I doubt anything happens Spurs wise. What the Spurs have to offer is all that exciting and what they would get in return seems risky

I like the
Orlando: Derozan
SA: Fournier, Bamba, 2023 2nd Rounder
Can almost see that one- however it's really a wash. Fournier will be gone next year and 2nd round picks are not worht a lot and Bamba has been a bust- that said you at least get a year to look at a high draft pick to see i you can salvage something.
Not entirely sure what Orlando get's out of it if DDR isn't willing to sign

[Dejounte]

Wow. I'm not sure I'd take Cam Reddish for free.

Let's face it. With your post history: You'd take nobody for free. Not even Doncic. You think Spurs players are worth more than LeBron James.

[Degoat]

Wow. I'm not sure I'd take Cam Reddish for free.

we need a big long Wing like Reddish, we have DWhite and Vassell to replace Lonnie minutes

[look_at_g_shred]

Let's face it. With your post history: You'd take nobody for free. Not even Doncic. You think Spurs players are worth more than LeBron James.
Imagine..
Murray/White/Johnson/Reddish/Jakob.....

[Mr. Body]

Imagine..
Murray/White/Johnson/Reddish/Jakob.....

Gross.

[BacktoBasics]

Does he though? Other than the occasional scoring outburst, he's been very underwhelming as a 3rd year player. Not saying he's a throw in to this trade, but I think when you consider what you're getting back it could look like a fair deal.

What exactly are you getting back that is better?

[Dejounte]

What exactly are you getting back that is better?

Than Lonnie? Bogdan is someone already who'll provide consistent production that we've been missing from our backup guard/wings. Imagine being able to finally have someone to count on for buckets and not back down from the moment. Cam's offense is garbage right now, but his defense is solid. And if you can nab OO? Not a fan but it would be interesting to see what he can offer as a backup big.

[mo7888]

Why do you project Hunter as more valuable than DJ. I'm not certain. I like each player, but it isn't obvious to me that one is obviously better than the other.

Because on the trade market he'd bring much more because of his contract, small bust potential, plays the most important position in basketball, and has significant upside... he's not a clear cut better player today....just a more valuable one.

[Kurgan]

I think I would rather had Cam Reddish over Lonnie...

Yeah, Reddish is close to looking like a bust but so is Lonnie. Difference is Lonnie's kinda redundant with White/Murray/Vassell/Demar(assuming he comes back). Lonnie's currently the better offensive player but Reddish has better defensive upside and the kind of length on the wing that the team hasn't seen since Nephew.

[BacktoBasics]

Than Lonnie? Bogdan is someone already who'll provide consistent production that we've been missing from our backup guard/wings. Imagine being able to finally have someone to count on for buckets and not back down from the moment. Cam's offense is garbage right now, but his defense is solid. And if you can nab OO? Not a fan but it would be interesting to see what he can offer as a backup big.
Obviously we can’t predict the future but it’s irrelevant as far as this season goes. So looking at say as soon as next season I’m not so sure you won’t get that from Lonnie. He’s progressed nicely every year. 5 years from now I think we’d regret that trade.

We can easily fill those voids via FA and the draft and it won’t come at the expense of Lonnie.

Yeah we’re not landing a max player but this team hasn’t struggled to find good value in FA.

Just looks like a pointless trade for the sake of making trades.

[duncan2150]

we need a big long Wing like Reddish, we have DWhite and Vassell to replace Lonnie minutes

So we take him just because he is a long wing ? i know that's not your point but he is an awful shooter wich is his supposed strenght, he was also awful with Duke.
The only thing he can do is stealing a little bit, giving you some D but other than that he is bad. He may progress but i prefer Lonnie at the time.

[Degoat]

So we take him just because he is a long wing ? i know that's not your point but he is an awful shooter wich is his supposed strenght, he was also awful with Duke.
The only thing he can do is stealing a little bit, giving you some D but other than that he is bad. He may progress but i prefer Lonnie at the time.

For sure I’m not advocating to trade for him but we need a guy like him in SA to develop in our system, Lonnies inconsistency drives crazy.

[Mr. Body]

Cam Reddish is fucking terrible.

[Dejounte]

Cam Reddish is fucking terrible.

Great insight. Come again.

[duncan2150]

For sure I’m not advocating to trade for him but we need a guy like him in SA to develop in our system, Lonnies inconsistency drives crazy.


I understand, i think we need more a four who can provide some D and can shoot. We also need a back up big.

[Mr. Body]

The ability of this board to overlook gross inadequacies of opposing players while metastasizing smaller issues without own players makes me laugh.

[Seventyniner]

I'm not so attached to the Spurs' picks. I think there's such a thing as too many young players. You're already getting one project from ATL so to me it's as if that was already our first round pick.

I see what you're saying here. Adding up prospects and picks, the deal as stated would have the Spurs sending out three (Lonnie plus two picks) and receiving two (Reddish, OO). That's -1 to the Spurs, and I think it should be +1 instead because DDR is the best player in the deal and the Hawks get to dump Bogdanovic's contract, who is owed $18M each of the next three seasons and, at least judging by the stats, isn't playing well at all (32.7% from three).

[Dejounte]

The ability of this board to overlook gross inadequacies of opposing players while metastasizing smaller issues without own players makes me laugh.

Yet your ability to provide any actual alternative is zilch.

[gambit1990]

i can see the spurs landing horford. much preferred over k love.

[gambit1990]

houston-orlando deal was heating up but seems to have fallen apart atm.

[gambit1990]

aaron gordon is reconsidering if he wants to be traded :lol

magic are going forward in looking for a trade though.

[gambit1990]

hawks keeping collins per woj.

[gambit1990]

when woj talked about la he only spoke of his opportunities to sign with different teams. he didn't even mention one possible trade partner for the spurs.

[mo7888]

I see what you're saying here. Adding up prospects and picks, the deal as stated would have the Spurs sending out three (Lonnie plus two picks) and receiving two (Reddish, OO). That's -1 to the Spurs, and I think it should be +1 instead because DDR is the best player in the deal and the Hawks get to dump Bogdanovic's contract, who is owed $18M each of the next three seasons and, at least judging by the stats, isn't playing well at all (32.7% from three).

I'm with you.... I've been looking at it as sending two 1st's.... however, it didn't really say one way or the other.... I wouldn't do it with two firsts (wouldn't even consider it) but if it were two 2nd's I might think about it..

[YoungbuckMurray]

when woj talked about la he only spoke of his opportunities to sign with different teams. he didn't even mention one possible trade partner for the spurs.

we should just keep him then. Tired of giving away players for free. We are currently a playoff team in the west and LMA can still help as a backup C

[exstatic]

Part of me is tired of the Spurs being such a first class organization and getting screwed over on the trade market, etc. If nobody wants to trade for LMA I say to hell with it I’m not buying him out and he can be our backup C. What has being a first class organization and doing right by every player done for this team?

You get blacklisted by agents for doing shit like that. I’m not talking stars, we wouldn’t be able to fill out our roster.


EVERYONE does buyouts at one time or another.

[Mr. Body]

Yet your ability to provide any actual alternative is zilch.

Cam Reddish ain't it, fella.

[TD 21]

Wait, what? Refresh me. What was so unethical about those three?

Shady Ujiri made Casey sit through a post mortem 3 years ago when the Cavaliers swept them in embarrassing fashion in a projected close series, only to fire him the next day.

He then lied to DeRozan about being on the verge of trading him, despite the heist being close to completion and apparently agreed to from the Spurs side (him and Webster supposedly had the audacity to request a 1st from the Spurs initially, as if they weren't already screwing over their buddies Buford and Wright to begin with).

Unethical Nurse is even worse. Three years ago, when he was still an assistant, the Raptors offense became modernized and he was leaking to numerous prominent national media types who their self promoting, attention seeking franchise have been in bed with through this regime, that he was the "brains" behind it.

[DAF86]

Tomorrow is the deadline, right? For fuck sakes trade all the old farts and get something in return.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1374841736762175499?s=19

[EasyMoney]

Man, if lamarcus gets bought out and no moves are made, and the big men rotation is jakob/rudy/drew... absolutely pathetic.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1374841736762175499?s=19

Especially Ainge.

[Degoat]

NBASupes guy had another update, he mentions Demar as someone the hawks were linked to but he doesn’t provide any real information imo

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374852305779109890?s=19

https://media.tenor.com/images/b4a50886df89933f4eefa0de66ee41a7/tenor.gif

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374852305779109890?s=19

https://media.tenor.com/images/b4a50886df89933f4eefa0de66ee41a7/tenor.gif

Oh well shit. Likely not due to a trade:

https://twitter.com/cayleighgriffin/status/1374851433930055683?s=19

[couchman]

https://twitter.com/wojespv/status/1374855539159629824?s=19

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/wojespv/status/1374855539159629824?s=19

Whoah.

[SPURt]

https://twitter.com/wojespv/status/1374855539159629824?s=19
You might actually fool some people lol

[poopbox]

The ability of this board to overlook gross inadequacies of opposing players while metastasizing smaller issues without own players makes me laugh.

Well virtually every fan does this because by virtue of watching your team the most you become the most aware of their weaknesses vs not watching another player as much and thus not knowing or ignoring their weaknesses

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/wojespv/status/1374855539159629824?s=19

Lol

[Budkin]

https://twitter.com/wojespv/status/1374855539159629824?s=19

Fake Woj

[Mal]

https://twitter.com/wojespv/status/1374855539159629824?s=19

How you have not banned this account ?

[MoSpur02]

Any news/murmuring from your sources, Mo?

What’s going on. Ever since Covid hit my source has been out of touch with their sources inside the front office so I haven’t heard much. Wish I had something because they were very reliable.

[RC_Drunkford]

We all know Aldridge will be bought out and Brian Wright will call it a day. That was enough work for this season :lol

[Mugen]

What’s going on. Ever since Covid hit my source has been out of touch with their sources inside the front office so I haven’t heard much. Wish I had something because they were very reliable.

Bummer, thanks for the update though.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1374869561405804544?s=19

[talkspurs]

https://tradenba.com/trades/_8ZAA-H-y

All teams stay under the tax. DDR goes back to tor to play with Lowery. Tor get a pick but boston does not give up much (pick) to get get two more rotation pieces. Spurs get a good PF that can play PF and another pf/c.

it is based somewhat on this trade. https://www.inquisitr.com/6485846/nba-rumors-proposed-three-way-blockbuster-would-involve-kyle-low?fbclid=IwAR3Vxa5N21V9DUzzo_io5JSESg7y4D35wJNTn 4VkloS6-i65fPnLsxekv_Q

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1374820006312181764?s=20

[RD2191]

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1374820006312181764?s=20
Spurms:lol

[PhantomDashCam]

I’m nervous. Bryn inactive tonight for Milwaukee...

[Ocotillo]

Man I am glad we aren't chasing Olidipo. Don't get the interest from all of the teams.

[EricB]

The offers on the table for Aldridge are all terrible.

It’s all deals with players with years and high salary coming back. People that think it’s as easy as “just trade him” are as usual uninformed on how the NBA works.

they’re even willing to settle for a protected draft pick for Rudy and no one is willing to do that. “No one wants to help the Spurs” is the exact words I was told.

[mo7888]

The offers on the table for Aldridge are all terrible.

It’s all deals with players with years and high salary coming back. People that think it’s as easy as “just trade him” are as usual uninformed on how the NBA works.

they’re even willing to settle for a protected draft pick for Rudy and no one is willing to do that. “No one wants to help the Spurs” is the exact words I was told.

That's alot different from Timvp's update...

[ace3g]

Bryan Keating @KOCOKeating
(https://twitter.com/KOCOKeating)

Thunder G Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to be out for extended period with right foot plantar fasciitis: Mark Daigneault: "It's not day-to-day, it's going to be a more significant amount of time...this one is an injury that we need to take a look at" (1)

[mo7888]

Nobody on this team should be off the table at the deadline.

[slick'81]

Nobody on this team should be off the table at the deadline.


Yet here we are

[cd98]

Slowly accepting that nothing is going to happen except LMA buyout.

[JR3]

Slowly accepting that nothing is going to happen except LMA buyout.
I’ve 100% accepted this.

[exstatic]

I’m not a huge OPJ fan, but if CHI wants to keep LMA, do it. F all of those vultures.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs buying out Aldridge only for him to go to the Lakers is exactly what I expect from this dumbass FO

[Kurgan]

The Spurs buying out Aldridge only for him to go to the Lakers is exactly what I expect from this dumbass FO

But we're so classy that we guaranteed his 25 mil this season when we didn't have to. I'm sure free agents will take that into consideration, right...right?

[8sy21vd]

Hard to blame the players when PATFO set this team up for failure. Guys are playing way out of position. Guards playing forward and strip club bouncers like Eubanks getting rotation minutes.

[RC_Drunkford]

But we're so classy that we guaranteed his 25 mil this season when we didn't have to. I'm sure free agents will take that into consideration, right...right?

The Quincy Pondexter’s and Demarre Carroll’s of the world certainly appreciate getting gifted millions of dollars

[TheGreatYacht]

Poor bastards making a 68 page thread only to see a LMA buyout :lol

Crater face probably doesn't even know what tomorrow is

[Dverde]

The Quincy Pondexter’s and Demarre Carroll’s of the world certainly appreciate getting gifted millions of dollars

:lol Pondexter...I forgot about that terrible signing.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol Pondexter...I forgot about that terrible signing.

You know Pop needs to have at least 1 charity spot on the roster

[The Truth #6]

Hard to blame the players when PATFO set this team up for failure. Guys are playing way out of position. Guards playing forward and strip club bouncers like Eubanks getting rotation minutes.

That’s actually funny.

[Chomag]

Spurs FO turning down picks for players (especially old players)that will probably just walk or be bought out anyway is beyond stupid....does this GM even do anything??

[Ice009]

The Spurs buying out Aldridge only for him to go to the Lakers is exactly what I expect from this dumbass FO

Yet they didn't really want to trade Kawhi there because they didn't want to help the Lakers win a ring. They may end up doing just that if Aldridge goes there, but this time, they'll get absolutely NOTHING for it (at least with a Kawhi trade, they would have received something in return). It would really piss me off if he goes there and helps them win another Championship.

[Dejounte]

Spurs FO turning down picks for players (especially old players)that will probably just walk anyway is beyond stupid....does this GM even do anything??

We don't know if they will walk away. If our three options are: trade them for assets, them staying on the Spurs, and them walking away for nothing... Walking away for nothing is my second best option after trading them for assets.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yet they didn't really want to trade Kawhi there because they didn't want to help the Lakers win a ring, yet they may do just that if Aldridge goes there, but this time, they'll get absolutely NOTHING for it (at least with a Kawhi trade, they would have received something in return). It would really piss me off if he goes there and helps them win another Championship.

I mean they were dumb enough to trade nephew to Toronto, which instantly made them the top team of the East. They clearly had the 2nd best roster of the NBA after that trade. They should’ve sent him to a worse situation like Sacramento or something

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs buying out Aldridge only for him to go to the Lakers is exactly what I expect from this dumbass FO

So... he sucks here but is going to be awesome there. Just trying to get a sense of the schizoid posters on this site.

[Kurgan]

Watching them both play tonight in the same game reminds me that Trey Lyles was supposed to be our replacement for Marcus Morris when he reneged on his verbal agreement with the Spurs. All that classiness and culture sure came in useful there.

[RC_Drunkford]

So... he sucks here but is going to be awesome there. Just trying to get a sense of the schizoid posters on this site.

I never said he sucks smartass. Not everybody on this board has the same opinion

[RC_Drunkford]

Watching them both play tonight in the same game reminds me that Trey Lyles was supposed to be our replacement for Marcus Morris when he reneged on his verbal agreement with the Spurs. All that classiness and culture sure came in useful there.

Clutch Sports fucked the Spurs over twice in that scenario. First Morris backed out of the deal and then they tricked the Spurs into paying 11 Million for 2 years of Trey Lyles

[Kurgan]

So... he sucks here but is going to be awesome there. Just trying to get a sense of the schizoid posters on this site.

Superstars like Lebron tend to have this ability to make everyone around them better. It's a strange concept to comprehend, I know, as it's been a few years since we've had a real superstar on this roster.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1374922743511183362?s=19

Why a sense of tension from DJ? Hmmm.. I want to watch this interview.

[Chomag]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. This is the same FO that let themselves get punked twice in a row with Nephew and Morris, no top tier FO would have ever let that happen. Oh well, I doubt they are even actually answering their phones tbh

I think maybe I need to lower my expectations with these guys lol

[Dejounte]

So not even a single trade the day before the deadline. Boring.

[RC_Drunkford]

Superstars like Lebron tend to have this ability to make everyone around them better. It's a strange concept to comprehend, I know, as it's been a few years since we've had a real superstar on this roster.

not only that, the Lakers are already starting a slow footed big in Gasol, so they don’t lose anything by adding Aldridge. Also AD can help hide him on D

[Kurgan]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. This is the same FO that let themselves get punked twice in a row with Nephew and Morris, no top tier FO would have ever let that happen. Oh well, I doubt they are even actually answering their phones tbh

Makes you wonder how Brian Wright still has a job after all that. His culture and classiness must be too invaluable to let go.

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1374922743511183362?s=19

Why a sense of tension from DJ? Hmmm.. I want to watch this interview.

I like DJ but if trading him brings back something good I'm in...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1374901886629863425?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1374925028714811392?s=19

[objective]

But we're so classy that we guaranteed his 25 mil this season when we didn't have to. I'm sure free agents will take that into consideration, right...right?

Exactly.

It seems like people want to talk about the Spurs being classy and how it helps the Spurs with free agents, without ever looking back to the past.

Premium, highly desired free agents have avoided the Spurs for decades. Aldridge was a once in a lifetime event with 3 main factors that will probably never happen again: 1. close family tie to the city, 2. bizarrely irrational jealousy of the other star of his original team, and 3. incompetence from the teams he wanted like the Lakers

That's lightning that will probably never strike twice. Let's go on a trip through memory lane for the classy Spurs who always did right by the players ...

Chris Paul wouldn't even let the Spurs get a chance to make an offer. He worked hard to play for Morey, who treats his players like disposable non-human assets unlike the Spurs. You'd think if anyone cared about how teams and executives treated players it would Mr. Player's Association himself .... sure didn't hurt Morey. Proof positive that how low importance the whole idea of treating players with class is to actual superstars.

Webber wouldn't even give them a meeting. Hell, he wouldn't even answer his phone.

Jermaine O'Neal wouldn't even give them a meeting. He only stayed in Indy to play for Isiah Thomas of all people, who Indy promptly fired about 6 weeks later without worrying about how classy it would look to O'Neal.

Jason Kidd let his wife boss him out of signing.

Kyle Korver let his wife boss him out of signing.

PJ Brown refused to sign because he wanted to stay in NO. Jokes on him because they didn't think twice about trading him. Classy Spurs wouldn't have done that, and he still refused.

Pau Gasol when he was still good told the Spurs to get bent as he went to the Bulls for close to the mid-level. Once he was well under way of being washed up and half the player he used to be, he fleeced the Spurs at twice the yearly money of his Bulls contract!

They got Finley who was washed and wanted more money than the minimum. They rewarded him and overpaid him with an overlong deal. And once Pop finally realized 18 months too late that he couldn't play anymore, Finley asked for a buyout from a playoff team. Real classy payback from Finley to ringchase on Boston to ride the bench even more than he had with the Spurs.

Derek Anderson got what he wanted out the Spurs, a showcase. And once he got it, he smacktalked the Spurs out the door.

Most of the name vets they got disappointed, like Rasho or Barry.

The reality is that the best success with free agents the Spurs have had is with guys who were cut from other teams and cheap. Stephen Jackson and Danny Green, those are the guys who excelled. Even Patty Mills. A cheap castoff. Or Oberto, an overlooked older overseas free agent.

And those kind of players will always be available to the Spurs.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1374901886629863425?s=19

Supposedly this and whatever Orlando plans on doing is what's holding the show up. teams are waiting on them

[Degoat]

This is sort of off topic but pop must have really not liked Richard Jefferson, Jefferson joked on the jump today that before he got traded pop called him and told he was either maybe gonna be traded or he would accompany the team on the road trip and he said once they got off the phone, 5 minutes went by and pop called him back to tell he was traded lmao

[Dejounte]

This is sort of off topic but pop must have really not liked Richard Jefferson, Jefferson joked on the jump today that before he got traded pop called him and told he was either maybe gonna be traded or he would accompany the team on the road trip and he said once they got off the phone, 5 minutes went by and pop called him back to tell he was traded lmao

This actually gives us good insight on how trades work. Inside info like what timvp gave us can change in an instant. If Pop doesn't know and has to tell RJ that, then that tells us all we need to know. Things go down the wire.

[ismael-robert]

Spurs have brought back Brynn Forbes in exchange for Patty Mills and a first

[RD2191]

This actually gives us good insight on how trades work. Inside info like what timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) gave us can change in an instant. If Pop doesn't know and has to tell RJ that, then that tells us all we need to know. Things go down the wire.
:jack

[Dejounte]

Here we gohttps://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374940745333927938?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1374942379384434688?s=19

Bleacher report, but still

[Kurgan]

After the Morris fiasco, I doubt the Spurs front office will ever communicate with the Knicks, let alone work with them in a trade. If they really want Demar, they can just outright sign him in the summer since they have the cap space to do so.

[TheGreatYacht]

Delon Wright fetched DET two second rnd picks and Cory Joseph.. interesting to see what Patty’s market would be if he was being shopped. Presti would secure a 1st for sure..

[PhantomDashCam]

After the Morris fiasco, I doubt the Spurs front office will ever communicate with the Knicks, let alone work with them in a trade. If they really want Demar, they can just outright sign him in the summer since they have the cap space to do so.

Different personnel now. The Knicks are essentially a different team.
Not sure what they have to offer though. Future collateral?

https://www.nba.com/news/new-york-knicks-hire-leon-rose-president


(https://www.nba.com/news/new-york-knicks-hire-leon-rose-president)Edit -

DDR for Payton (Expiring), Knox and Toppin works FWIW.
New York media wrote a 'hit' piece on Toppin just recently...

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-time-knicks-bench-obi-213759467.html

[LCM]

Spurs have brought back Brynn Forbes in exchange for Patty Mills and a first


Here we gohttps://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1374940745333927938?s=19

Bet Joseph is a buyout, or released in offseason. He's only guaranteed 4 mill of the 12 mill next year. Weaver wanted the picks.

[objective]

After the Morris fiasco, I doubt the Spurs front office will ever communicate with the Knicks, let alone work with them in a trade. If they really want Demar, they can just outright sign him in the summer since they have the cap space to do so.

I'm skeptical also. Only potential reasons I could see to make the trade for the Knicks would be if they included Knox and his $6 million due next year to offset some of the caproom they'd have to burn. It's not much, but it is a way to carve out a little more room to sign other players.

Also they do seem really interested in making the playoffs and being successful this season, they did trade for Rose. Thibs wants to achieve, and he'd be a miracle worker if he could get DD to play defense.

[Kurgan]

Delon Wright fetched DET two second rnd picks and Cory Joseph.. interesting to see what Patty’s market would be if he was being shopped. Presti would secure a 1st for sure..


Reputation counts for a lot in this league. Other GMs probably view Presti as shrewd and calculating so they'll take what they can get from him. Brian Wright, on the other hand, is probably looked at as an easy mark after his numerous failures. Hence, the lowball offers the Spurs routinely get.

[EricB]

That's alot different from Timvp's update...


its.... not at all. They do have offers but they’re all awful contracts with no draft picks attached.

the league’s attitude is literally “let em rebuild the hard way”

[TheGreatYacht]

The offers on the table for Aldridge are all terrible.

It’s all deals with players with years and high salary coming back. People that think it’s as easy as “just trade him” are as usual uninformed on how the NBA works.

they’re even willing to settle for a protected draft pick for Rudy and no one is willing to do that. “No one wants to help the Spurs” is the exact words I was told.
Did the local bum outside of McDonalds tell you this?

So the league just has it out for the Spurs, huh? :lmao

PATFO seat sniffers, man. Pathetic the lengths they go. This guy is hearing voices in his head now.

[mo7888]

its.... not at all. They do have offers but they’re all awful contracts with no draft picks attached.

the league’s attitude is literally “let em rebuild the hard way”

Timvp said we were offered 2 2nd's and expiring contracts for Gay and didn't even counter.... offered expiring and a 2nd for LMA....and wouldn't take a 1st and expiring for ddr..... that's the opposite of what you're saying....

[slick'81]

Timvp said we were offered 2 2nd's and expiring contracts for Gay and didn't even counter.... offered expiring and a 2nd for LMA....and wouldn't take a 1st and expiring for ddr..... that's the opposite of what you're saying....

Somebody is full of shit

[exstatic]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. This is the same FO that let themselves get punked twice in a row with Nephew and Morris, no top tier FO would have ever let that happen. Oh well, I doubt they are even actually answering their phones tbh

I think maybe I need to lower my expectations with these guys lol

Morris being a cold, double dealing fuck is PATFO’s fault?

[Dverde]

I wonder what time the Al Horford presser will be? This is a move to solidify our hold on the 7th seed. OKC probably holding firm on including second rounders for him.

[Dejounte]

I wonder what time the Al Horford presser will be? This is a move to solidify our hold on the 7th seed. OKC probably holding firm on including second rounders for him.

This is one serious dad joke you can't get out of your system :lmao :lmao

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/1374923688974430208?s=20

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1374942379384434688?s=19

Bleacher report, but still

How does it work with Knicks who still have about 15M in cap space? Can they do an imbalanced salary trade to get a DDR?

[mo7888]

How does it work with Knicks who still have about 15M in cap space? Can they do an imbalanced salary trade to get a DDR?

They can..

[Thomas82]

i can see the spurs landing horford. much preferred over k love.

We better be getting an unprotected lottery pick if we do that.

[mo7888]

We better be getting an unprotected lottery pick if we do that.

We'll end up giving one at this point...

[Dejounte]

"The latest on Kyle Lowry

As trade deadline day gets going, here is what I am hearing around Kyle Lowry (https://theathletic.com/player/nba/raptors/kyle-lowry/), according to sources: Toronto is seriously engaged with Miami, Philadelphia and the Lakers on a potential deal. The Raptors are expected to canvass interest in their franchise staple as the deadline nears and decide whether the best offer meets their price tag.
— Shams Charania"

I think he ends up with Miami out of the three.

[exstatic]

This actually gives us good insight on how trades work. Inside info like what timvp gave us can change in an instant. If Pop doesn't know and has to tell RJ that, then that tells us all we need to know. Things go down the wire.

IIRC, that trade, Jack for RJ, happened like a minute before the deadline, and was announced 5-10 Minutes later, when everyone thought all trades were complete. GS had gotten Jack as salary ballast in another trade, and wanted no part of a reunion. I also remember a phone call between Pop and Jack about the trade that opened with”There won’t be any discussions about an extension.”

[Excessive Egotist]

Assuming Knicks, Hawks, Orlando, and Bulls are the DeRozan-interested teams....

If the Spurs drive a hard bargain, what is the most they could reasonably get back?

ATL: Reddish or Okongwu, a first, Gallo or Bogi?

NYK: an expiring contract, a first, and either Toppin or Robinson?

Chicago: Porter, Lauri, and a first?

Orlando: Fournier, a first, and Bamba?

In my estimation, Spurs won't sell if the draft compensation is a pair of seconds. Resigning DeRozan is arguably better than all of those packages if second round pick(s) are the draft compensation. If a first is included, all of the packages are debatable--better, imo--against the value of resigning DeRozan.

Obviously, they're all better deals against the prospect of losing DeRozan for nothing. If he has told Spurs he's not resigning, then you get the best deal you can and count it all gain.

Of the deals above, which is the best for the Spurs?

[Leetonidas]

Hope everyone is ready for the yearly :pop: We like what we have :pop:

[Dejounte]

Assuming Knicks, Hawks, Orlando, and Bulls are the DeRozan-interested teams....

If the Spurs drive a hard bargain, what is the most they could reasonably get back?

ATL: Reddish or Okongwu, a first, Gallo or Bogi?

NYK: an expiring contract, a first, and either Toppin or Robinson?

Chicago: Porter, Lauri, and a first?

Orlando: Fournier, a first, and Bamba?

In my estimation, Spurs won't sell if the draft compensation is a pair of seconds. Resigning DeRozan is arguably better than all of those packages if second round pick(s) are the draft compensation. If a first is included, all of the packages are debatable--better, imo--against the value of resigning DeRozan.

Obviously, they're all better deals against the prospect of losing DeRozan for nothing. If he has told Spurs he's not resigning, then you get the best deal you can and count it all gain.

Of the deals above, which is the best for the Spurs?

ATL deal because of Bogi and Orlando deal because of their pick.

[Excessive Egotist]

ATL deal because of Bogi and Orlando deal because of their pick.

Devil's advocate: ATL deal might be the worst because it's the one deal that includes taking a multi-year deal back. I like Bogi, but Spurs FO might value cap room more. Dunno.

[Excessive Egotist]

Also, if you move DeRozan, go get at least that pair of seconds for Rudy Gay and give Luka all the minutes!

[PrimeMinister]

I’d like a test drive of Lauri Markkanen

Knicks I see having the most tenacious pursuit of derozan - thibs going back to the offseason has been trying to trade for “seasoned vets”

I’d be happy with a package around Robinson- a year left on his deal still and he’s young. Spurs FO after the Morris debacle is going to ask for an insane deal. Like RJ+Robinson+Salary and maybe a pick. If they do a deal with the Knicks I’d be shocked. Shocked in general if a deal gets done, but especially if it’s the Knicks.

[Excessive Egotist]

I’d like a test drive of Lauri Markkanen

Knicks I see having the most tenacious pursuit of derozan - thibs going back to the offseason has been trying to trade for “seasoned vets”

I’d be happy with a package around Robinson- a year left on his deal still and he’s young. Spurs FO after the Morris debacle is going to ask for an insane deal. Like RJ+Robinson+Salary and maybe a pick. If they do a deal with the Knicks I’d be shocked. Shocked in general if a deal gets done, but especially if it’s the Knicks.

Yes, FO office needs to set the past aside and just work the market for the best deal. But humans will human. So I get your skepticism. Knicks at least have a new leader in front office that post dates the Morris debacle.

[ace3g]

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[Excessive Egotist]

The JaVale and Wright deals give us some sense on the floor of a Mills and Gay offer. If not for his contract size, those deals probably justify at least one second for Aldridge too.

[couchman]

How you have not banned this account ?

I was just messin'. Figure everyone would get the joke

[Leetonidas]

The JaVale and Wright deals give us some sense on the floor of a Mills and Gay offer. If not for his contract size, those deals probably justify at least one second for Aldridge too.

For Gay maybe. Mills is more valuable than any of those players to a contender, imo.

[Excessive Egotist]

For Gay maybe. Mills is more valuable than any of those players to a contender, imo.

I agree. Given his lockerroom presence, I think Spurs would require a first for Mills. But those deals represent a definite floor.

The JaVale deal is for a '23 and '27 second. Gay should fetch at least that, then.

[Excessive Egotist]

Best part of this year's deadline is that should the Spurs break pattern and finally reset the roster, tonight's rotation will be....developmental fun.

[ace3g]

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[Dejounte]

Devil's advocate: ATL deal might be the worst because it's the one deal that includes taking a multi-year deal back. I like Bogi, but Spurs FO might value cap room more. Dunno.

I believe the Spurs have the space to sign a max space and some space to sign another player. If Bogi was on the free agent market, he would be a good get. Also, there aren't any players worth the max anyway in this upcoming free agency. Bogi would be a nice role player, probably as good as it gets.

[spurraider21]

We all know Aldridge will be bought out and Brian Wright will call it a day. That was enough work for this season :lol
Yep