Stein: Chatter Circulating About The Spurs' Attempts To "Barge" Their Way Into Simmons Sweepstakes

[cd98]

People here are insane. Simmons is not solely a defensive player. He is a high level playmaker and a good overall scorer. I don't know how fixable his jumper is, but I'd bet Chip could get it to passable, like he did with Kawhi and TP. I remember several years in the league and teams backed off Tony and he couldn't shoot to save his life. But several years into the league he started to hit that midrange. I'm pretty confident that Simmons could get to that point. The fact that we could potentially get him for a bunch of our late round picks would be a steal. He is elite at everything except outside shooting. People are undervaluing the ultimate buy low candidate.

[baseline bum]

Marc Stein's podcast is the closest thing we have...

How legit a source is Stein considered these days after leaving ESPN? I seem to remember him being one of early sources to collaborate LeBron returning ro Cleveland, though it was another former ESPN guy that broke the story.

[Dejounte]

People here are insane. Simmons is not solely a defensive player. He is a high level playmaker and a good overall scorer. I don't know how fixable his jumper is, but I'd bet Chip could get it to passable, like he did with Kawhi and TP. I remember several years in the league and teams backed off Tony and he couldn't shoot to save his life. But several years into the league he started to hit that midrange. I'm pretty confident that Simmons could get to that point. The fact that we could potentially get him for a bunch of our late round picks would be a steal. He is elite at everything except outside shooting. People are undervaluing the ultimate buy low candidate.

No, I don’t think you realize how little Simmons shoots past 10 ft from the basket vs how much TP & Kawhi used to do it. They aren’t even in the same playing field. The latter did it in a frequency where Chip could make it workable. Like, I don’t think people understand how little Simmons shoots it from outside the paint.

its Poeltl-level frequency for Simmons.

[baseline bum]

People here are insane. Simmons is not solely a defensive player. He is a high level playmaker and a good overall scorer. I don't know how fixable his jumper is, but I'd bet Chip could get it to passable, like he did with Kawhi and TP. I remember several years in the league and teams backed off Tony and he couldn't shoot to save his life. But several years into the league he started to hit that midrange. I'm pretty confident that Simmons could get to that point. The fact that we could potentially get him for a bunch of our late round picks would be a steal. He is elite at everything except outside shooting. People are undervaluing the ultimate buy low candidate.

If I was confident Chip could get his shot to passable, even a little below average, I'd be good completely gutting the roster to get him, because he'd be a yearly top 5 MVP candidate in that case. But I don't trust his work ethic so wouldn't offer a ton to get him. We know Chip fixed Tony's and Kawhi's completely broken shots, but both of them had pretty strong work ethics (hell Kawhi's is legendary as much of a shithead as he is).

[mo7888]

How legit a source is Stein considered these days after leaving ESPN? I seem to remember him being one of early sources to collaborate LeBron returning ro Cleveland, though it was another former ESPN guy that broke the story.

I think he's still pretty good from the standpoint that I don't think he's makes stuff up to throw against the wall and see if it sticks... I'm not sure if he's as connected as he once was though..

[ginobilized]

6' 11" point guard with speed, strength, DPOY candidate, elite playmaking skills, great handles at a bargain-basement price. Just turned 25.

This is what I see with Simmons. There are risks/downsides to every player. His upside is elite. Definitely worth making a run for him.

I do not see the Spurs trading DJ right after his sister passes away, however.

[SpursDynasty85]

6' 11" point guard with speed, strength, DPOY candidate, elite playmaking skills, great handles at a bargain-basement price. Just turned 25.

This is what I see with Simmons. There are risks/downsides to every player. His upside is elite. Definitely worth making a run for him.

I do not see the Spurs trading DJ right after his sister passes away, however.

What is a bargain basement price?

[ginobilized]

What is a bargain basement price?

His market value is at a low point and the Sixers are losing leverage every week he remains untraded.
That’s what I meant by bargain basement price for Simmons. 2 years ago, he’d be completely unattainable.

[exstatic]

6' 11" point guard with speed, strength, DPOY candidate, elite playmaking skills, great handles at a bargain-basement price. Just turned 25.

This is what I see with Simmons. There are risks/downsides to every player. His upside is elite. Definitely worth making a run for him.

I do not see the Spurs trading DJ right after his sister passes away, however.

They would trade him tomorrow in the right deal. I don’t see it coming to that, though. Philly will drag this our, hoping to snag Lillard. That won’t happen for probably a month. Dame hasn’t asked for a trade. Unless he does, nothing will happen.

[LeBowen]

Some people don't understand half the roster would need to be shipped out to accomodate Simmons.
Wrote about it a couple of times, but let's try again.

Last season's starting lineup of DJ-White-Keldon-DDR-Jakob probably had the worst spacing in the league.
And Demar has Curry range compared to Simmons.

None of them were respectable 3pt threats except for Derrick.
And since Simmons is a complete non-threat outside of restricted area, we'd need at least two great 3pt shooters in the lineup and two decent ones.

Poeltl would have to go, no question about it. A shooting big would be a must. Not someone who can hit a 3 here and there, but a legit threat that needs to be contested on the perimeter.
I assume Keldon is the only untouchable guy and starting him with Simmons would make it really tough to create a decent starting lineup.

Something like White-McDermott-Keldon-Simmons-X would be a must.
Or even Lonnie instead of White if both him and DJ are out and Lonnie stays.
Knowing Pop, it would probably be Forbes starting. :lol

Don't get me wrong, I'm also intrigued by potential Simmons trade if Sixers get desperate and we get a bargain.

But the worst part is his lack of work ethic and right mentality.
He's one of those players who still think they're entitled to something just because they were a huge prospect.

His shot can be fixed, that's the easy part, but he seems like someone who is content with collecting the paychecks while doing the bare minimum.
Young socialite, gtfo. And he'd bolt to LA or NY asap.

[Dejounte]

Some people don't understand half the roster would need to be shipped out to accomodate Simmons.
.

Correct.

You'd think they'd invest more into strong-in-transition players with the moves they've made so far, if they planned on getting Simmons.

Poeltl is far from one (sure, they could include him in the trade package)
Landale doesn't scream as one either.
Is Collins going to run back and forth with those feet?
As far as our perimeter players go, only McDermott is someone who could run and gun with Simmons on the run. The others' 3-point shooting aren't proven yet, but they could get there.

[jjspur]

Sorry but we just don't have the really good players or combined salaries and players that Philly would demand for their prima donna. Right now he's Philly's problem and it will become a bigger problem as the new season draws closer. Even with all their other talent, he is still a big problem.
Don't let them gut our team and our future so he can become the spurs problem.

[cd98]

Some people don't understand half the roster would need to be shipped out to accomodate Simmons.
Wrote about it a couple of times, but let's try again.

Last season's starting lineup of DJ-White-Keldon-DDR-Jakob probably had the worst spacing in the league.
And Demar has Curry range compared to Simmons.

None of them were respectable 3pt threats except for Derrick.
And since Simmons is a complete non-threat outside of restricted area, we'd need at least two great 3pt shooters in the lineup and two decent ones.

Poeltl would have to go, no question about it. A shooting big would be a must. Not someone who can hit a 3 here and there, but a legit threat that needs to be contested on the perimeter.
I assume Keldon is the only untouchable guy and starting him with Simmons would make it really tough to create a decent starting lineup.

Something like White-McDermott-Keldon-Simmons-X would be a must.
Or even Lonnie instead of White if both him and DJ are out and Lonnie stays.
Knowing Pop, it would probably be Forbes starting. :lol

Don't get me wrong, I'm also intrigued by potential Simmons trade if Sixers get desperate and we get a bargain.

But the worst part is his lack of work ethic and right mentality.
He's one of those players who still think they're entitled to something just because they were a huge prospect.

His shot can be fixed, that's the easy part, but he seems like someone who is content with collecting the paychecks while doing the bare minimum.
Young socialite, gtfo. And he'd bolt to LA or NY asap.

Well people bag on our GM and I'm not saying I have 100% confidence, but we have exactly the kind of pieces that can be put in a trade to form a team that would work well for Simmons. And for the record, I acknowledge that getting Simmons is a risk, and an expensive one given what he is paid. But in sports, you have to take risks if you want to build another championship team. To me, it makes sense if you believe Pop is going to try and make the playoffs regardless. If the Spurs were willing to just play young players and lose games and get into the real lottery, then I would be okay with that. However, we all know the Spurs are going to be that classic win just enough games to end up with the 11-14 picks and barely miss the playoffs. If that's the case, then take a swing at Simmons and see what happens.

[Larry O]

[QUOTE=baseline bum;10588205]If I was confident Chip could get his shot to passable, even a little below average, I'd be good completely gutting the roster to get him, because he'd be a yearly top 5 MVP candidate in that case. But I don't trust his work ethic so wouldn't offer a ton to get him. We know Chip fixed Tony's and Kawhi's completely broken shots, but both of them had pretty strong work ethics (hell Kawhi's is legendary as much of a shithead as he is).

Here's a story from Bleacher Report about the "Race For Simmons," and how GS, Minn, Sac Town and SA, are all in the mix, with Minn being a serious contender. Philly is hoping that Lillard will change his mind and ask for a trade before the start of the season to join the Sixers. In the article, it was quoted that Chip mentioned that he would love to get ahold of Simmons and help him with his shooting woes. Don't know if we should read into that or not, perhaps Chip knowing the Simmons situation, perhaps he is giving his two cents about the situation, or else, he just leaked some "Spurs intel" to the public. :wow In the end, something's gotta give, and Simmons will eventually end up somewhere. This could easily turn out to be a Harden situation, perhaps, but Simmons to SA may have quick fix implications to get us into the playoffs (and Pop's all time coaching record, too), and have "star power," but our future may suffer if we give up a youngin' or two, plus future draft picks. The potential and opportunity is there, but I think that at the end of the day, the Spurs may drop out of the race. GSG!!!

[cd98]

[QUOTE=baseline bum;10588205]If I was confident Chip could get his shot to passable, even a little below average, I'd be good completely gutting the roster to get him, because he'd be a yearly top 5 MVP candidate in that case. But I don't trust his work ethic so wouldn't offer a ton to get him. We know Chip fixed Tony's and Kawhi's completely broken shots, but both of them had pretty strong work ethics (hell Kawhi's is legendary as much of a shithead as he is).

Here's a story from Bleacher Report about the "Race For Simmons," and how GS, Minn, Sac Town and SA, are all in the mix, with Minn being a serious contender. Philly is hoping that Lillard will change his mind and ask for a trade before the start of the season to join the Sixers. In the article, it was quoted that Chip mentioned that he would love to get ahold of Simmons and help him with his shooting woes. Don't know if we should read into that or not, perhaps Chip knowing the Simmons situation, perhaps he is giving his two cents about the situation, or else, he just leaked some "Spurs intel" to the public. :wow In the end, something's gotta give, and Simmons will eventually end up somewhere. This could easily turn out to be a Harden situation, perhaps, but Simmons to SA may have quick fix implications to get us into the playoffs (and Pop's all time coaching record, too), and have "star power," but our future may suffer if we give up a youngin' or two, plus future draft picks. The potential and opportunity is there, but I think that at the end of the day, the Spurs may drop out of the race. GSG!!!

Damn, I have to give it to Morey, he's going to get a haul for Simmons. GS, Minn, Sac, and SA all have assets to spend on him. GS and Min in particular can give some nice returns depending on what they are willing to trade. I just know its going to look better than the return the Spurs got for Kawhi. I know that's a factor of the "injury", the trade demand to LA, and the fact that Kawhi only had two years on his contract, yes, that gave him more power to tie up the Spurs to a bad deal, but still.

[ginobilized]

[QUOTE=baseline bum;10588205]If I was confident Chip could get his shot to passable, even a little below average, I'd be good completely gutting the roster to get him, because he'd be a yearly top 5 MVP candidate in that case. But I don't trust his work ethic so wouldn't offer a ton to get him. We know Chip fixed Tony's and Kawhi's completely broken shots, but both of them had pretty strong work ethics (hell Kawhi's is legendary as much of a shithead as he is).

Here's a story from Bleacher Report about the "Race For Simmons," and how GS, Minn, Sac Town and SA, are all in the mix, with Minn being a serious contender. Philly is hoping that Lillard will change his mind and ask for a trade before the start of the season to join the Sixers. In the article, it was quoted that Chip mentioned that he would love to get ahold of Simmons and help him with his shooting woes. Don't know if we should read into that or not, perhaps Chip knowing the Simmons situation, perhaps he is giving his two cents about the situation, or else, he just leaked some "Spurs intel" to the public. :wow In the end, something's gotta give, and Simmons will eventually end up somewhere. This could easily turn out to be a Harden situation, perhaps, but Simmons to SA may have quick fix implications to get us into the playoffs (and Pop's all time coaching record, too), and have "star power," but our future may suffer if we give up a youngin' or two, plus future draft picks. The potential and opportunity is there, but I think that at the end of the day, the Spurs may drop out of the race. GSG!!!

Would Simmons replace Draymond on GS? That might be scary.

[Larry O]

Sorry, but here's the story on Chip from the Bleacher Report:

Bleacher Report:
NBA
New Details Emerge on Ben Simmons Trade Talks
JAKE FISCHER

AUGUST 17, 2021
FILE - Philadelphia 76ers' Ben Simmons plays during Game 5 in a first-round NBA basketball playoff series against the Washington Wizards, in Philadelphia, in this Wednesday, June 2, 2021, file photo. Ben Simmons can't shoot and lost his confidence. He blamed a mental block on the worst free-throw shooting percentage in NBA playoff history. The 76ers head into the offseason faced with a big question - do they try and salvage Simmons or deal the former No. 1 pick. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum, File)
Matt Slocum/Associated Press

Among many talking points between team personnel during the NBA's Las Vegas Summer League, the ongoing trade speculation regarding Ben Simmons potentially leaving the Philadelphia 76ers was still top of mind this past week.

Each of Minnesota, Golden State, Sacramento and San Antonio has been consistently linked as a top Simmons destination, yet the overwhelming sense among league insiders continues to be that Simmons, for now, is expected to remain a Sixer once training camp opens on September 28—barring a change of temperature with Damian Lillard in Portland.

That appears to be the ever-important undercurrent to what has been routinely described as a "James Harden-like" package Philadelphia is seeking for any Simmons return.

For the Sixers and president Daryl Morey to move Simmons, it will be with an eye toward maximizing the prime of Joel Embiid, who signed a $196 million, 4-year extension Monday night. Therefore trading Simmons now for anything short of a haul that could immediately be flipped for Lillard, in the event he does request a trade, would be a devastating blow for Philadelphia's front office, and their efforts to pair Embiid with a bonafide superstar.

But that Lillard request may not be coming anytime soon.

There's certainly a possibility Lillard arrives at training camp, looks around Portland's locker room and determines the Trail Blazers roster has not been upgraded to his satisfaction. Yet there's a stronger belief in league circles that Lillard will at least venture into the regular season under new head coach Chauncey Billups, allowing him to revisit moving elsewhere before the trade deadline.

Craig Mitchelldyer/Associated Press
Simmons, on the other hand, appears more than interested in playing for a new team. He expects to be traded and has not personally been in close contact with Morey, Embiid or head coach Doc Rivers this offseason, sources told Bleacher Report. Simmons' representation has further canvassed rival front offices, gauging their interest in creating a new home for the 25-year-old All-Star and this year's runner-up in Defensive Player of the Year.

But it would be difficult for Cleveland, for example, to come up with an offer that can both pair Simmons with another Klutch Sports client in Darius Garland while also satisfying the Sixers' lofty asking.
Sacramento has no real avenue to land Simmons without sacrificing De'Aaron Fox. The Kings' star guard has drawn varying evaluations during B/R conversations around the league, but his value certainly appears higher than Simmons' at the moment.

Dating back to Morey's tenure running Houston, he has traditionally begun trade talks with offers that his counterparts deem outlandish as a means to set an extreme parameter for the ongoing negotiation. This year, several rival executives told Bleacher Report they believe part of Philadelphia's calculus behind those unrealistic offers has also been to assure Simmons' camp that the Sixers are at least attempting to move him.

Toronto, though, was never going to entertain a framework of acquiring Simmons for OG Anunoby, Fred VanVleet and the No. 4 pick, which Philadelphia pitched the weekend before July's NBA draft.

And rumors that a three-team swap between Philadelphia, Golden State and Portland was gaining legitimate traction were categorically denied by Warriors and Blazers personnel. Golden State brass are considered to be quite high on the team's recent lottery picks Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody.


Jeff Chiu/Associated Press
Minnesota officials remain motivated in landing Simmons. That would be nothing short of a home run fulfilling the Timberwolves' ongoing search for a starting forward, and Simmons could do so in a playmaking role similar to Draymond Green. But it would be challenging for Minnesota to send back enough talent for Philly to reroute in a hypothetical Lillard pursuit, while still adding Simmons to a rising young Minnesota core.

That leaves San Antonio as perhaps the most interesting potential trade partner. And there is a faction of the Spurs front office rumored to strongly covet Simmons.


There's a well-documented history of Gregg Popovich incorporating Australian talent such as Patty Mills, Aron Baynes and others, along with New Zealander Sean Marks, not to mention the connection with former Spurs assistant and Simmons' first head coach, Brett Brown.

Personnel who spent time with Team USA during the Tokyo Olympics also suggested to B/R that longtime Spurs shooting czar Chip Engelland would relish the opportunity to rework Simmons' mechanics, just as the noted assistant coach ironed out Kawhi Leonard's jump shot and others before him.

San Antonio was open to discussing Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker IV before the draft, sources said, and the Spurs added more enticing future draft capital in their sign-and-trade that delivered DeMar DeRozan to Chicago. Could the starting points of that package be enough to truly intrigue Philly? Portland's eventual interest, as always, would factor heavily into any further discussions, too.

Again, all these variables likely point to Simmons sticking around Philadelphia for the foreseeable future.

There could always be an unforeseen team that emerges in the eleventh hour of this offseason to chase Simmons. Yet the NBA's summer activity has quieted. Most teams are focused on filling out their final roster spots, looking for a fourth point guard or a rangy wing to stash on their bench.

Despite the awkward dynamic that could follow, Simmons may have no real choice but to join the Sixers in September and play his way to a new destination, regardless of the icy communication that has persisted all summer, dating back to Rivers' and Embiid's post-Game 7 press conferences.


Whether Simmons is amenable to that of course remains to be seen, but Philadelphia appears prepared for that outcome. Said one veteran front office voice, "Daryl is not afraid to go into training camp with a potentially combustible situation."

[baseline bum]

Sixers should just hold on to Simmons and pray he doesn't hold out, they're not going to get shit for him.

[Mr. Body]

[QUOTE=Larry O;10588349]

Damn, I have to give it to Morey, he's going to get a haul for Simmons. GS, Minn, Sac, and SA all have assets to spend on him. GS and Min in particular can give some nice returns depending on what they are willing to trade. I just know its going to look better than the return the Spurs got for Kawhi. I know that's a factor of the "injury", the trade demand to LA, and the fact that Kawhi only had two years on his contract, yes, that gave him more power to tie up the Spurs to a bad deal, but still.

Except Golden State and San Antonio aren't interested in all. Don't believ Marc Stein's bullshit about San Antonio. He's getting paid to generate interest in Simmons. Golden State? What the fuck about Golden State makes you think they'd want Simmons? Have you seen them play, like, ever?

Simmons will wind up at Minnesota or possibly Sacramento. If he goes to the Wolves no one will ever hear from him again and suddenly he's not even an All-Star anymore. Philly elevated him. If he goes to Sacramento, he'll be more visible but will also fail to make a bad franchise any better.

[Chinook]

Some people don't understand half the roster would need to be shipped out to accomodate Simmons.

No. Half of last year's roster, maybe. But most of that's already gone. The only player you have to really consider trading if Simmons were on the team is Murray. Even Poeltl, who's a dubious fit, can hang around for a while to see if they can IQ their way to enough spacing. But we're talking about a lottery team that lost its best player. I don't really care if a lot of guys need to go from that. They aren't worth keeping if they can't space the floor, since they damned sure aren't good enough to have other guys space for them.

I think people should realize that the Spurs have very little to build on now. There are a couple of players to not trade, but for the most part they'd be moving guys they can and will regardless have to replace with the draft anyway. The Spurs can afford to make a decent trade for Simmons, have it not work out, abort, and still keep going. Them losing Vassell or Keldon or whatever isn't going to actually hold them back. I think we all agree that there's a limit to what the Spurs should be willing to trade, but too many people here have a really low bar for what's too much. So long as they keep their top prospect and remain flexible for future moves, there's no reason not to make a trade.

[Sugus]

lol the same exact thing could've been said about Jakob Poeltl's FT shooting but somehow y'all love the guy. Didn't he shoot 34% for half of the season and then got his percentage back up? You're overreacting here. I mean I doubt Ben Simmons will become a 3-point shooter, but him improving his FT% is a realistic thing

Yeah, the same thing could be said about Poeltl, and was absolutely said all over the forum where he had that awful FT-shooting stretch and was getting Hack-a-Jak'd to close out games. Literally happened last season and was a big thing.

Then he got his head in the game and improved his FTs significantly, to the point that he wasn't such a big liability as to get purposefully hacked again. Could he get in his own head again if we were playing high stakes, playoff games? Absolutely - but I'm not condemning him until it actually happens. For Simmons, it's literally happened already, in literally every single series the Sixers played last year. You've already crossed the bridge of "could it happen". He doesn't get that benefit of the doubt.

But the biggest factor that nullifies your comparison, is the positions they play. Jakob is an old-school center, borderline starter. It's not the biggest deal if he misses his FTs because you're not relying on him as much; and he's paid likewise. Simmons is your starting PG, a position where FT shooting is absolutely critical, not only due to the amount of ball-handling and offense-initiating demanded of the position, which means he'll get to the line considerably more than a low-usage C would, but because you want your starting PG to be able to draw fouls. It's literally a point of emphasis for modern PGs to master the foul-drawing techniques and add to their games (and stats) this way. And Simmons.... Literally shies away from contact in order to not get fouled. Massively hampering his game (his iconic non-dunk last season was a direct result of overpassing because he thought he'd be getting fouled on the dunk attempt).

Oh, and he's due something like ONE HUNDRED FORTY MILLION DOLLARS. For a player you can't even rely on to make his FTs. :lol. Yeah, I'll stick to Jakob and his $9M/per for that kind of antics, thanks...

[Russ]

Some people don't understand half the roster would need to be shipped out to accomodate Simmons.
Wrote about it a couple of times, but let's try again.

Yeah, the Spurs are too savvy to throw all their eggs in one basket (especially one like Simmons).

Simmons would be a great acquisition for a team that doesn't have the personnel and development prowess of the Spurs. Go for the star, it's the common denominator, it's your best hope. Try to get fortunate with the one guy everyone acknowledges as talented.

The Spurs are more like the guy at the poker table who knows he will be there all night. Counting on the odds over time to favor his chances. Knowing that time is on his side.

You want to have enough irons in the fire to be blessed by good fortune, but you don't want to make the one big mistake that sets you back five years.

The Spurs will probably suck this year but, at the same time, their future at least promises to be promising.

Good young players just get better -- that's the thing that many of us miss.

[CGD]

Sixers should just hold on to Simmons and pray he doesn't hold out, they're not going to get shit for him.

It’s not looking good for them.

If I’m Spurs I’ve put in a healthy opening offer (maybe they already did around the draft) and now just seeing if PHI comes back to the table in Dec hopefully in a worse position. Let Minni and others be desperate for now.

[bdictjames]

Ben Simmons would not want to stay in San Antonio... the big markets is where he likes to be.

[DPG21920]

I’m firm with Sa trading ….just not thrilled with Simmons.

[CGD]

I’m firm with Sa trading ….just not thrilled with Simmons.

I don’t disagree and sometimes think a Wiggins/asset trade would’ve better.

That said, Simmons is a really good player and it’ll come down to whether he decides to get over himself.

[DPG21920]

I guess I just look at it like unless it’s a no brainer trade then best outcome is let these guys play for a season. Either they aren’t what we hope and we know for sure or they are better and we can make trades under such circumstances to put more around them.

[Wu36]

I don’t get the -he wants a big market...He’s hiding from one currently and the media is already on him. Not like LA, NY, or CHI type fans are going to ignore his flaws and embrace them. He has talents but are the 6ers seeing a big market for him? I fine with a trade if the spurs keep keldon, vassell, and primo. That’s just me. But I fail to see why this guy would want to continue to be a big market/media whipping boy when he could take his 140mil and run off the grid.

[PhantomDashCam]

Ben Simmons and Lonnie already on the same team. 18 second mark...
:stirpot:
https://twitter.com/lonniewalker_4/status/1429573878527922182?s=20

Ben Simmons' annual "extended range, I'm an elite jump shooter" video...

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1429469397807206406?s=20

[Chinook]

Yeah, I think if there's a single player who you should want the Spurs to keep with a Simmons/White back court, it'd be Walker. You'd be able to hide him on defense, and he could provide the scoring punch those guys lack. Vassell sort of fits, as does Johnson. But if I had the chance to move one of them and keep Walker and a pick, I'd do it.

[Maddog]

I think I'd be far this, but realistically what do the Spurs offer that would make the sixers better than keeping Simmons

Don't see it. I appreciate PATFO doing due diligence, however

[exstatic]

I think I'd be far this, but realistically what do the Spurs offer that would make the sixers better than keeping Simmons

Don't see it. I appreciate PATFO doing due diligence, however

DeRozan didn’t make us better.

You really don’t want a key player in your locker room unhappy (and he’s clearly indicated that he wants out), and you don’t want to be black balled by Klutch.

[Rummpd]

Stubborn Pop and a headcase like Simmons - sure that will work out?

[exstatic]

Stubborn Pop and a headcase like Simmons - sure that will work out?

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[KingKev]

I think we are all confident Brian Wright will get fleeced in this trade. Let’s just win 18 games for the next few years and continue to draft a couple of guys who are 2 years away from being 2 years away. Eventually we will get there. Spurs future 1st round picks should be the most coveted asset in the NBA right now but PATFO will probably use them as if we are playoff contenders.

[SpursDynasty85]

Ben Simmons would not want to stay in San Antonio... the big markets is where he likes to be.

Would all depend on the conversations that are happening with his agent but, this seems obvious to me. I doubt Spurs trade away all their young culture guys for a guy that makes $40M/yr and would likely bounce after his contract or want a trade after.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Sixers don't want Simmons being a cancer to their entire season. As long as teams don't decide to start bidding against each other, someone should score a pretty good deal.

I'll be curious to see what the Sixers end up landing for him. My guess is that they made the initial outrageous request out of the gate not expecting to actually get it, and then if someone does give up some key pieces, plus a couple of first round picks, that team making the trade can look like they were great negotiators to their fans, and the Sixers get about all they realistically expected in the first place.

He'll be traded here soon would be my guess.

[MultiTroll]

The Sixers don't want Simmons being a cancer to their entire season. As long as teams don't decide to start bidding against each other, someone should score a pretty good deal.
This.
If everyone would hold out (won't happen), Sixers would cave.

Please don't pull a 50 Paddy Spurs.

[Texas_Ranger]

I see Ben Simmons once again shooting in the videos. Yea, not gonna fall for that. We also watched our Instagram baller workout videos for like 3 years now and he still sucks. Same will be with zero defense Walker.

[SpursDynasty85]

Ben Simmons would not want to stay in San Antonio... the big markets is where he likes to be.

Would all depend on the conversations that are happening with his agent but, this seems obvious to me. I doubt Spurs trade away all their young culture guys for a guy that makes $40M/yr and would likely bounce after his contract or want a trade after.

[JuneJive]

I see Ben Simmons once again shooting in the videos. Yea, not gonna fall for that. We also watched our Instagram baller workout videos for like 3 years now and he still sucks. Same will be with zero defense Walker.

You have such a negative outlook. JFC.
Every post of yours is shitting on someone.

[Texas_Ranger]

You have such a negative outlook. JFC.
Every post of yours is shitting on someone.

If they were good id say somethint positive. Perhaps they will surprise me.

[Fusternino]

Simmons is actually awful. What does he even do besides be 6'10" with guard footspeed?

I wouldn't even trade Murray + filler for him at this point.

[exstatic]

Simmons is actually awful. What does he even do besides be 6'10" with guard footspeed?

I wouldn't even trade Murray + filler for him at this point.

You really don’t understand basketball at all. He’s elite defensively, top to bottom. Finished second in the DPOY vote this year. He’s also a top notch finisher with elite court vision and passing. There’s literally one thing he does at a below average level: shooting.

[Dennis the Menace]

You really don’t understand basketball at all. He’s elite defensively, top to bottom. Finished second in the DPOY vote this year. He’s also a top notch finisher with elite court vision and passing. There’s literally one thing he does at a below average level: shooting.

The game of basketball is centered on putting the ball in the hoop. Being below average at shooting is a pretty big deal lol Especially with “today’s NBA” of 3 pointers/offense over everything

You run against Zone Defense or soft man defense and it’s virtually 4 vs 5

[SPURt]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
https://c.tenor.com/aB3dD6Q8zE0AAAAC/this-guy-gets-it-nick-offerman.gif

[EricB]

You really don’t understand basketball at all. He’s elite defensively, top to bottom. Finished second in the DPOY vote this year. He’s also a top notch finisher with elite court vision and passing. There’s literally one thing he does at a below average level: shooting.


if by some miracle England fixed his shot, you’d have a Top 5 player in the league on the team

[Maddog]

if by some miracle England fixed his shot, you’d have a Top 5 player in the league on the team

It's more than fixing his shot.
You have to get him to shoot. That's what make a deal for him even riskier.

[baseline bum]

if by some miracle England fixed his shot, you’d have a Top 5 player in the league on the team

If England fixed his shot you'd have a Top 1 player in the league on the team

[exstatic]

if by some miracle England fixed his shot, you’d have a Top 5 player in the league on the team

You’d have the best player in the league, a 6’11” Kawhi.

[exstatic]

The game of basketball is centered on putting the ball in the hoop. Being below average at shooting is a pretty big deal lol Especially with “today’s NBA” of 3 pointers/offense over everything

You run against Zone Defense or soft man defense and it’s virtually 4 vs 5

Yes, and he makes that happen with his elite handles, passing and vision. HE doesn’t have to be the one scoring.

[JeffDuncan]

Simmons is actually awful. What does he even do besides be 6'10" with guard footspeed?

I wouldn't even trade Murray + filler for him at this point.


Neither would I. The 76ers would have to include a first-round draft pick along with Simmons before I’d even consider it.

A few interesting facts:

Simmons’ turnover percentage last year was worse than Jeff Ayres during his last season with the Spurs. If you liked Jeff “Errors” you’ll love Simmons. (Simmons had twice the TOV% of Murray.)

Dejounte Murray is a better defensive rebounder than Simmons, despite Simmons’ height advantage. Simmons got more offensive rebounds, probably from being in good position to snag his own missed layups.

Poeltl is a better shooter than Simmons. They have the same range, and Poeltl hits a higher percentage.

In assists last season, Simmons was no better than DeMar DeRozan. Both had 6.9 per game.

The Spurs fans who want Simmons are like teenage girls swooning over the latest teen heartthrob. Ooooh, he’s so famous!!! xoxox. !!!

Mediocre at assists, a lazy rebounder, awful for turnovers, and hopelessly broken shooting, at $30 M per year.

Pass.

[TheChillFactor]

Would all depend on the conversations that are happening with his agent but, this seems obvious to me. I doubt Spurs trade away all their young culture guys for a guy that makes $40M/yr and would likely bounce after his contract or want a trade after.

this is exactly where i'm at. develop these kids for 5 years, and then package them and trade em for another player that doesn't want to be here.

after we just had that with Kawhi, DeRozan and Aldridge. no thanks

[cd98]

The game of basketball is centered on putting the ball in the hoop. Being below average at shooting is a pretty big deal lol Especially with “today’s NBA” of 3 pointers/offense over everything

You run against Zone Defense or soft man defense and it’s virtually 4 vs 5

Except that there are a lot of ways to put the ball in the basket and Simmons is elite in some of those ways. And the Greek Freak is a below average shooter from outside, especially 3 pointers and he did pretty well last season.

[superbigtime]

You’d have the best player in the league, a 6’11” Kawhi.

cmon that's bluster. you really would want this guy, and to lose a devoted spurs soldier dejounte and who knows what else to obtain him? he is a beta. he belongs on the Twolves or some other bball pit.

[Spursfanfromafar]

You really don’t understand basketball at all. He’s elite defensively, top to bottom. Finished second in the DPOY vote this year. He’s also a top notch finisher with elite court vision and passing. There’s literally one thing he does at a below average level: shooting.

Yes, elite at passing, finishing, running a transition offense and outstanding perimeter defender who can defend 1 to 4 plus wont back down against a less hefty 5 either. Its a no brainer if the Spurs can get him for a package with Murray in it. My only issue with him is that he is not just a poor shooter; he seems to have an offhand shooting problem. He would have to reinvent his shooting from scratch, which I guess has been done before, but would require full commitment. Chip is a miracle worker, but miracles are rare.

[exstatic]

Yes, elite at passing, finishing, running a transition offense and outstanding perimeter defender who can defend 1 to 4 plus wont back down against a less hefty 5 either. Its a no brainer if the Spurs can get him for a package with Murray in it. My only issue with him is that he is not just a poor shooter; he seems to have an offhand shooting problem. He would have to reinvent his shooting from scratch, which I guess has been done before, but would require full commitment. Chip is a miracle worker, but miracles are rare.

He should do what Tristan Thompson did when he got to the NBA: switch shooting hands. He’s naturally right handed, but his father thought it would be an advantage for him to shoot left handed. Didn’t work out that way.

[Excessive Egotist]

I wonder if the most attractive offer to Morey is not three or four firsts for Simmons---with little concern for the players coming to him--unless he's getting Lillard or Beal back in return. The reason is that Lillard or Beal are his targets. If he takes back picks, he can move those picks plus player assets for one of Beal and Lillard when they come onto the market. If he takes back players, then Portland or Washington would 1) have to like those players 2) have to wait until they're trade eligible.

To my mind, this means there is a chance Spurs will move Young and Poeltl for protected firsts that go to Philly along with one or two other SA picks but none of our young core. So a final trade four firsts and players from a third and fourth team to Philly & Simmons to San Antonio.

If the Spurs really are trying to put a solid postseason run together for Popovich, they'd want to keep Murray and Walker to play alongside Simmons. They wouldn't make a semi-lateral move.

This is all makes a trade very unlikely, but the Spurs should force Philly to choose. Either Philly gets a couple young players (Murray, Walker) with limited draft compensation or rich draft compensation and none of their young core. Philly really can't expect both. If Philly insists on both, the Spurs should walk away from the table.

[Spursfanfromafar]

He should do what Tristan Thompson did when he got to the NBA: switch shooting hands. He’s naturally right handed, but his father thought it would be an advantage for him to shoot left handed. Didn’t work out that way.

The trouble is if that was the issue, he should have sorted that out long way ago. The concerns being raised about him were the same that were raised during the Raptors series a couple of years back too. He hasn't changed at all on the offense end. He has become a more savvy defender and an absolute beast on that end, but on offense, he has remained the same or stagnated. That is the major worry with him.

[exstatic]

I wonder if the most attractive offer to Morey is not three or four firsts for Simmons---with little concern for the players coming to him--unless he's getting Lillard or Beal back in return. The reason is that Lillard or Beal are his targets. If he takes back picks, he can move those picks plus player assets for one of Beal and Lillard when they come onto the market. If he takes back players, then Portland or Washington would 1) have to like those players 2) have to wait until they're trade eligible.

To my mind, this means there is a chance Spurs will move Young and Poeltl for protected firsts that go to Philly along with one or two other SA picks but none of our young core. So a final trade four firsts and players from a third and fourth team to Philly & Simmons to San Antonio.

If the Spurs really are trying to put a solid postseason run together for Popovich, they'd want to keep Murray and Walker to play alongside Simmons. They wouldn't make a semi-lateral move.

This is all makes a trade very unlikely, but the Spurs should force Philly to choose. Either Philly gets a couple young players (Murray, Walker) with limited draft compensation or rich draft compensation and none of their young core. Philly really can't expect both. If Philly insists on both, the Spurs should walk away from the table.

Spurs aren’t going to hang themselves out to dry like that. They will have at least a workable roster if this trade doesn’t go through. Philly will either take our players/picks offer, or they won’t. If players need to go to other teams, those teams become part of the trade. You don’t make a trade, hoping that another specific trade happens afterwards.

[Excessive Egotist]

Spurs aren’t going to hang themselves out to dry like that. They will have at least a workable roster if this trade doesn’t go through. Philly will either take our players/picks offer, or they won’t. If players need to go to other teams, those teams become part of the trade. You don’t make a trade, hoping that another specific trade happens afterwards.

How does this represent hanging themselves out to dry? Most of the picks being sent in this scenario are not SA's and they don't give up any significant player assets. And teams trade for picks all the time in order to stockpile for specific players when they come available. Picks are the highest form of currency for tier 1 AND tier 2 players. Teams accumulate picks over time for these trades.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the most attractive offer to Morey is not three or four firsts for Simmons---with little concern for the players coming to him--unless he's getting Lillard or Beal back in return. The reason is that Lillard or Beal are his targets. If he takes back picks, he can move those picks plus player assets for one of Beal and Lillard when they come onto the market. If he takes back players, then Portland or Washington would 1) have to like those players 2) have to wait until they're trade eligible.

To my mind, this means there is a chance Spurs will move Young and Poeltl for protected firsts that go to Philly along with one or two other SA picks but none of our young core. So a final trade four firsts and players from a third and fourth team to Philly & Simmons to San Antonio.

If the Spurs really are trying to put a solid postseason run together for Popovich, they'd want to keep Murray and Walker to play alongside Simmons. They wouldn't make a semi-lateral move.

This is all makes a trade very unlikely, but the Spurs should force Philly to choose. Either Philly gets a couple young players (Murray, Walker) with limited draft compensation or rich draft compensation and none of their young core. Philly really can't expect both. If Philly insists on both, the Spurs should walk away from the table.

I don't know where you get the idea Philadelphia can get three or four firsts for Ben Simmons.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Simmons in the Diaw role of the beautiful game would make some sense. But not if we trade all our shooters and slashers for him.

[Excessive Egotist]

Simmons in the Diaw role of the beautiful game would make some sense. But not if we trade all our shooters and slashers for him.


This exactly.

[Excessive Egotist]

I don't know where you get the idea Philadelphia can get three or four firsts for Ben Simmons.

It seems that Morey has created a little bit of an auction market for Simmons, with four or more teams bidding. I'd guess this nets a solid young rotation player and two firsts or three firsts without a young rotation player. I can see why teams would feel that is too high. But I'm betting the final haul comes in around that price. Morey will hold out a little longer to try to drive the price up, but it will settle somewhere in that range.

[The Truth #6]

They want a star now to pair with Embiid, who being a large guy with a hx of injuries, is on a short time frame. They need to compete now. Of course Morey would like picks too, but he would probably trade those to get players now. That’s my guess. Spurs would have to be part of a multi team deal most likely for this to happen. I imagine it’s a complicated scenario, especially for a risk adverse franchise.

Simmons has flaws but despite his choking would still be the leader on our team. SA will miss not having DDR’s alpha qualities. Not saying we need him the player, but he helped keep the team in line. Would Simmons provide that? More likely by default than any great contribution in the locker room on his part.

Anyway, it’s not an easy decision because we’d have to overpay. Shit, we overpaid for McD and Zollins. For me, I love Dejounte in theory but feel like that situation could easily explode. Spurs should not keep dangling him in trade scenarios unless they’re actually going to move him.

Random thoughts...

[MultiTroll]

Simmons in the Diaw role of the beautiful game would make some sense. But not if we trade all our shooters and slashers for him.
Duncan is not here to coach it either so.....

[Mr. Body]

It seems that Morey has created a little bit of an auction market for Simmons, with four or more teams bidding. I'd guess this nets a solid young rotation player and two firsts or three firsts without a young rotation player. I can see why teams would feel that is too high. But I'm betting the final haul comes in around that price. Morey will hold out a little longer to try to drive the price up, but it will settle somewhere in that range.

No, he failed to create a market. You're completely misreading the situation.

[offset formation]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Reminded me of this quote:

"Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This whole thing stinks like trying to free up space to add one of the Morris brothers. I just think that for a team so bent on "culture" bringing in one of the league's top prima donnas makes little sense. I'm sure the teams bidding on Simmons probably think the shortcomings in his game can be corrected, which is probably true, but I don't think there's a cure for what's going on between his ears.

Simmons would be a good add-on for a super team where he is no higher than 3rd on the totem pole. Ask him to be more than that and you'll be disappointed I think. And the sad part for Simmons is that he expects to be more than that even though he's got serious holes in his game and his psyche.

[exstatic]

They want a star now to pair with Embiid, who being a large guy with a hx of injuries, is on a short time frame. They need to compete now. Of course Morey would like picks too, but he would probably trade those to get players now. That’s my guess. Spurs would have to be part of a multi team deal most likely for this to happen. I imagine it’s a complicated scenario, especially for a risk adverse franchise.

Simmons has flaws but despite his choking would still be the leader on our team. SA will miss not having DDR’s alpha qualities. Not saying we need him the player, but he helped keep the team in line. Would Simmons provide that? More likely by default than any great contribution in the locker room on his part.

Anyway, it’s not an easy decision because we’d have to overpay. Shit, we overpaid for McD and Zollins. For me, I love Dejounte in theory but feel like that situation could easily explode. Spurs should not keep dangling him in trade scenarios unless they’re actually going to move him.

Random thoughts...

No one is trading a star for a broken star. Morey wanting something =/= Moreygetting that thing. He has multiple teams, but each and every one of them know his position is weak. His player wants out.

[rjv]

Reminded me of this quote:

"Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQadlLc2pHSGaZ_B3ToWShdpxWlkmOHp 1oi_GwVfuaHTqwkPCEKsultZEE48Lr3JRB61mM&usqp=CAU

[The Truth #6]

No one is trading a star for a broken star. Morey wanting something =/= Moreygetting that thing. He has multiple teams, but each and every one of them know his position is weak. His player wants out.

We traded a star for a broken star. Not everything is logical. Lots of factors in trades. But big picture, I’m discussing what I think Morey wants and not what I think is going to happen. This is a complicated situation with Simmons and likely we won’t be involved or even indirectly involved. But we’ll see.

[mo7888]

We traded a star for a broken star. Not everything is logical. Lots of factors in trades. But big picture, I’m discussing what I think Morey wants and not what I think is going to happen. This is a complicated situation with Simmons and likely we won’t be involved or even indirectly involved. But we’ll see.

Yes, but our star wanted out and everyone knew it...in this scenario the broken star wants out and everyone knows it..

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Neither would I. The 76ers would have to include a first-round draft pick along with Simmons before I’d even consider it.

A few interesting facts:

Simmons’ turnover percentage last year was worse than Jeff Ayres during his last season with the Spurs. If you liked Jeff “Errors” you’ll love Simmons. (Simmons had twice the TOV% of Murray.)

Dejounte Murray is a better defensive rebounder than Simmons, despite Simmons’ height advantage. Simmons got more offensive rebounds, probably from being in good position to snag his own missed layups.

Poeltl is a better shooter than Simmons. They have the same range, and Poeltl hits a higher percentage.

In assists last season, Simmons was no better than DeMar DeRozan. Both had 6.9 per game.

The Spurs fans who want Simmons are like teenage girls swooning over the latest teen heartthrob. Ooooh, he’s so famous!!! xoxox. !!!

Mediocre at assists, a lazy rebounder, awful for turnovers, and hopelessly broken shooting, at $30 M per year.

Pass.


Simmons had a down year last year ... but here is how his stats last year would rank on the Spurs last year:

points per game 4th
rebounds pg 2nd
assists pg tied 1st
vorp 2nd
bpm 3rd
dws 1st
ows 2nd
ws 2nd
ftms 2nd

..............

again i think many here are undervaluing simmons, but more egregiously are overvaluing our shitty spurs

[The Truth #6]

Yes, but our star wanted out and everyone knew it...in this scenario the broken star wants out and everyone knows it..

Leonard is/was a dick but still a legit star. I suppose you could say it was two broken stars that were swapped, or a broken superstar for a broken star, but we knew we lost that trade the second it happened, so I consider DDR more broken than Leonard. Anyway, this conversation is getting off track and kind of silly.

[cd98]

I don't know that you can say that Simmons wants to play on a big market team. I mean, maybe he does, but he didn't grow up in this country so he probably doesn't have the same preference that American players have in their destinations. Kawhi was from L.A., so it wasn't a stretch for him to want to play in L.A. LMA was from Texas and wanted to be in Texas, which is why he signed with the Spurs. LBJ didn't want to go to L.A. until his career was at an end and he could start is Hollywood life.

[exstatic]

We traded a star for a broken star. Not everything is logical. Lots of factors in trades. But big picture, I’m discussing what I think Morey wants and not what I think is going to happen. This is a complicated situation with Simmons and likely we won’t be involved or even indirectly involved. But we’ll see.

Technically, although we didn’t know it at the time, we traded a broken star for a broken star, I’m not sure anyone knew that over the next 3 seasons, he wouldn’t play more than 75% of his team’s games.

[Kevin]

Odds makers give the Spurs the 5th best chance at acquiring Simmons.

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

[Excessive Egotist]

Odds makers give the Spurs the 5th best chance at acquiring Simmons.

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/


I don't mind this as it's a ranking of who is most desperate to overpay, ranked from most desperate to least.

[daslicer]

I don't know that you can say that Simmons wants to play on a big market team. I mean, maybe he does, but he didn't grow up in this country so he probably doesn't have the same preference that American players have in their destinations. Kawhi was from L.A., so it wasn't a stretch for him to want to play in L.A. LMA was from Texas and wanted to be in Texas, which is why he signed with the Spurs. LBJ didn't want to go to L.A. until his career was at an end and he could start is Hollywood life.

1. LBJ always wanted to be in LA but he couldn't go there earlier in his career because it was occupied by Kobe until '16. There was no way he was going to share the spotlight with Kobe.
2. Simmons may not be from the States but his father is from NYC. I'm sure through his dad he knows a lot about American culture which also applies to city life. Plus this kid has always wanted to be a Lakers since he was at LSU. I still remember him posting videos of him saying he wanted to be a Laker back when he was at LSU.
3. Simmons wants to badly be in a big market. He hangs out a lot in LA during the off season. He's also is into the party lifestyle. He's been a longterm relationship with a Kardashian. Anybody who dates those type of women are into the big city lifestyle.
4. If the Spurs get him he will play ball and use them to rehabilitate his bad image. Simmon's people aka Klutch knows he needs to build back his rep and image so he won't do anything crazy and disruptive in SA because it would destroy his value and possibility to get a second max contract. Once his rehabilitation is complete he will leave through FA.
5. I don't think it's beneficial for the Spurs to have a 3-4 year rental in Simmons unless there is a possibility of winning a title during that stretch.

[exstatic]

I’ve said this over and over: betting odds aren’t real odds. The casino NEEDS the money to go down evenly, so that the losers pay the winners, and the casino simply takes its cut. If too much money goes one or two directions, the casino adjusts the payoff odds for the remaining teams to increase their winning payoff, which attracts money.

Betting odds aren’t real odds.

Betting odds aren’t real odds.

[DPG21920]

Simmons had a down year last year ... but here is how his stats last year would rank on the Spurs last year:

points per game 4th
rebounds pg 2nd
assists pg tied 1st
vorp 2nd
bpm 3rd
dws 1st
ows 2nd
ws 2nd
ftms 2nd

..............

again i think many here are undervaluing simmons, but more egregiously are overvaluing our shitty spurs

That’s not really the right way to look at it imo. It’s more about what type of team would they have around him both short term and for longer term what assets would they have to build around him.

The reality is that depletion of your team to get him makes little sense. Despite him being a “good” player he’s not someone whose impact is so big on his own that you’re basically a playoff team guaranteed. He also needs a very specific build to maximize his talent which Sa doesn’t have.

That’s why it all comes down to cost. It’s not that people should/should not value SAs guys a certain way imo. It’s more about what path (stand pat or trade for Simmons) offers up the most upside for shaping your next 4-6 years.

Meaning if this was a trade for another player without these warts you wouldn’t see people so worried about costs and our youth; it’s because of the above that you are seeing that.

[pookenstein]

4. If the Spurs get him he will play ball and use them to rehabilitate his bad image. Simmon's people aka Klutch knows he needs to build back his rep and image so he won't do anything crazy and disruptive in SA because it would destroy his value and possibility to get a second max contract. Once his rehabilitation is complete he will leave through FA.

I wouldn't mind a slightly different scenario: Simmons comes in to use the Spurs and rehabilitate his image. Works hard, shoots the ball and does all the other things he does on the court for a season or two in San Antone. Imo Spurs would/could benefit (greatly) from this by going to the Playoffs, giving the young guys some post season experience, giving Pop the wins he needs (and deserves) to get the all time win record. Last, but not least I think that a Simmons, who has shown that he is willing to take shots and is capable of making them, would be easily tradeable for a very good package in or before his last season of the current contract.

[Maddog]

I wouldn't mind a slightly different scenario: Simmons comes in to use the Spurs and rehabilitate his image. Works hard, shoots the ball and does all the other things he does on the court for a season or two in San Antone. Imo Spurs would/could benefit (greatly) from this by going to the Playoffs, giving the young guys some post season experience, giving Pop the wins he needs (and deserves) to get the all time win record. Last, but not least I think that a Simmons, who has shown that he is willing to take shots and is capable of making them, would be easily tradeable for a very good package in or before his last season of the current contract.

Problem with this scenario is you have to trade away a lot of the young guys just get him or not be able to keep them when there initial contact ends

[Chinook]

Problem with this scenario is you have to trade away a lot of the young guys just get him or not be able to keep them when there initial contact ends

You shouldn't want to keep most of them. Out of the young players on the team, it would be surprising for more than four of them to be on the team if they become a contender any time soon. I'm including guys like Wieskamp in that number too. The whole idea of having young players is that their salaries are artificially capped at the rookie scale. Once you start paying them market value, they lose a ton of their appeal. I'm not looking at "How can we keep Murray, Poeltl, White, Walker, Samanic, Johnson, Vassell, Jones, Primo and Wieskamp together" as anything close to desirable. Moving most of those guys for Simmons in lieu of picks makes way more sense, because you can replace their production with other young players or cheap signings. Investing too much into young players stalls a team's development out way more than keeping old vets.

[pookenstein]

Problem with this scenario is you have to trade away a lot of the young guys just get him or not be able to keep them when there initial contact ends
.
Yeah, but not so many players if we could somehow use Jakob and Young to get additionals picks. I think someone brought a scenario like that up. DJ, a Spurs first and the picks for Jakob and Young. I know, it's not very likely but who cares?

[Maddog]

You shouldn't want to keep most of them. Out of the young players on the team, it would be surprising for more than four of them to be on the team if they become a contender any time soon. I'm including guys like Wieskamp in that number too. The whole idea of having young players is that their salaries are artificially capped at the rookie scale. Once you start paying them market value, they lose a ton of their appeal. I'm not looking at "How can we keep Murray, Poeltl, White, Walker, Samanic, Johnson, Vassell, Jones, Primo and Wieskamp together" as anything close to desirable. Moving most of those guys for Simmons in lieu of picks makes way more sense, because you can replace their production with other young players or cheap signings. Investing too much into young players stalls a team's development out way more than keeping old vets.


.
Yeah, but not so many players if we could somehow use Jakob and Young to get additionals picks. I think someone brought a scenario like that up. DJ, a Spurs first and the picks for Jakob and Young. I know, it's not very likely but who cares?
I'm not in complete disagreement with either of you.
I'm also not completely opposed to going after Simmons, however he's owed a lot of money and has a significant flaw in his game. He's also approaching that age of he is what he is.

[spurraider21]

this entire spurs roster is role players, none of these guys even look like they can be a legit #1 anytime soon, and some of these guys are maybe a #2... maybe.

[cd98]

You shouldn't want to keep most of them. Out of the young players on the team, it would be surprising for more than four of them to be on the team if they become a contender any time soon. I'm including guys like Wieskamp in that number too. The whole idea of having young players is that their salaries are artificially capped at the rookie scale. Once you start paying them market value, they lose a ton of their appeal. I'm not looking at "How can we keep Murray, Poeltl, White, Walker, Samanic, Johnson, Vassell, Jones, Primo and Wieskamp together" as anything close to desirable. Moving most of those guys for Simmons in lieu of picks makes way more sense, because you can replace their production with other young players or cheap signings. Investing too much into young players stalls a team's development out way more than keeping old vets.

Not only that, but even less probably have star potential so do you want to pay a bunch of guys as if they were stars because they are homegrown? At some point, the Spurs must swing for the fences. Simmons just represents a good player that the Spurs may be able to get on a discount compared to most all stars. We basically have to trade for a star in a package that has no stars.

[Seventyniner]

If Simmons weren't so flawed and his stock wasn't so low, he wouldn't be obtainable at all. He would instantly be the best player on the team no matter what the Spurs give up.

Now I do agree that there is a such thing as the Spurs giving up too much to get him. But I don't think Simmons is so terrible compared to the current Spurs roster and who they can reasonably obtain in the near future that he isn't worth getting at any price.

[Poolboy5623]

this entire spurs roster is role players, none of these guys even look like they can be a legit #1 anytime soon, and some of these guys are maybe a #2... maybe.

I know you said "maybe" twice but who do you consider a #2 on this team. I don't see it..

[spurraider21]

I know you said "maybe" twice but who do you consider a #2 on this team. I don't see it..
healthy white

possibly dejounte

[cd98]

If Simmons weren't so flawed and his stock wasn't so low, he wouldn't be obtainable at all. He would instantly be the best player on the team no matter what the Spurs give up.

Now I do agree that there is a such thing as the Spurs giving up too much to get him. But I don't think Simmons is so terrible compared to the current Spurs roster and who they can reasonably obtain in the near future that he isn't worth getting at any price.

I think the biggest risk is he never gets a jump shot and dwindles in NBA superstar mediocrity while getting paid as if he is a top 10 player in the league. He is going to get paid a lot of money over the next few years, so it is a matter of can he live up to his contract. That is a gamble and the price to get him is a lot of the assets. But if they think they can get him at any kind of a discount, it is worth taking the shot.

[TD 21]

Still think this is about as far as the Spurs would go . . .

76ers: Murray, Dragic, Spurs top 1-3 protected '22 1st, Suns lottery protected '23 1st, Bulls '25 1st and 2nd

Suns: Young

Spurs: Simmons, Milton, Saric

Raptors: Walker IV, Aminu, Hutchison, Smith

Johnson/Samanic/Bates-Diop?/Saric
McDermott/Vassell/Wieskamp
Poeltl/Eubanks/Landale/Collins
White/Forbes/Primo
Simmons/Milton/Jones

[Chinook]

Fuck all that. Raptors can get one of those for Dragic, not all three. They need to be eating Saric, not SA.

[dbestpro]

this entire spurs roster is role players, none of these guys even look like they can be a legit #1 anytime soon, and some of these guys are maybe a #2... maybe.

Then they are the prime team to play the 48 minutes of hell game. Question is is Pop the right coach in any situation with this roster?

[TD 21]

Aminu and Hutchison are bloated, unwanted contracts, so for swallowing that they get two fliers on middling prospects (who also aren't exactly cumulatively cheap).

You could argue they take Saric instead of Aminu, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs saw some value in him for '22-'23 and possibly beyond.

[cjw]

Aminu and Hutchison are bloated, unwanted contracts, so for swallowing that they get two fliers on middling prospects (who also aren't exactly cumulatively cheap).

You could argue they take Saric instead of Aminu, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs saw some value in him for '22-'23 and possibly beyond.

Now that free agency is over, that’s not the right way to look at Aminu and Hutchinson. They are there just for salary matching purposes and don’t have any money due to them after this year.

Even better, they are assets to the Raptors to either use to flip to improve the roster, or to act as a third team in trades.

[tbdog]

There has been no further momentum to this rumour. Time to put it to rest.

[Leetonidas]

There has been no further momentum to this rumour. Time to put it to rest.

That's kinda how rhe Spurs operate though. They don't leak shit. No one knew about the Kawhi/Demar trade until it happened

[slick'81]

There has been no further momentum to this rumour. Time to put it to rest.

for once i agree with you

[TD 21]

Now that free agency is over, that’s not the right way to look at Aminu and Hutchinson. They are there just for salary matching purposes and don’t have any money due to them after this year.

Even better, they are assets to the Raptors to either use to flip to improve the roster, or to act as a third team in trades.

If not traded, the Spurs are likely to waive them. This is $22+M (or 3+M more than Dragic) in money for next season the Raptors would be taking on, essentially for two young players who's value is probably commensurate to something like an early 2nd.

[tbdog]

for once i agree with you

only once?

[tbdog]

That's kinda how rhe Spurs operate though. They don't leak shit. No one knew about the Kawhi/Demar trade until it happened


I think that happened quickly. Usually you get 'advanced talks' leak.

[Mr. Body]

That's kinda how rhe Spurs operate though. They don't leak shit. No one knew about the Kawhi/Demar trade until it happened

By that logic, they're trading for EVERYONE.

[cjw]

If not traded, the Spurs are likely to waive them. This is $22+M (or 3+M more than Dragic) in money for next season the Raptors would be taking on, essentially for two young players who's value is probably commensurate to something like an early 2nd.

We agree they’re around purely for trade matching purposes. And it’s hard to waste two roster spots out of 15 on them. I think Hutchinson gets dumped first as his contract isn’t as big a number = not as important to help with trade matching.

[Atl Spur]

Hopefully we get some movement now!

[John B]

:sleep

[mo7888]

https://fansided.com/2021/08/30/damian-lillard-ben-simmons-trade-spurs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just to keep this thread alive..

[ginobilized]

https://fansided.com/2021/08/30/damian-lillard-ben-simmons-trade-spurs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just to keep this thread alive..

Damn! No way Portland does that trade, but, that would be amazing for the Spurs if it happened. It also elevates Philly.
I am holding onto a thread of hope that the Spurs pull some sort of trade off soon. False hope is still hope, ya know.

[pad300]

https://fansided.com/2021/08/30/damian-lillard-ben-simmons-trade-spurs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just to keep this thread alive..

I wouldn't do that trade. Ugly...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://fansided.com/2021/08/30/damian-lillard-ben-simmons-trade-spurs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just to keep this thread alive..

Interesting idea. We're giving up Murray, White, Poetl and two first round picks for Simmons and McCollum. Both those guys have their flaws, but I'm not sure the Spurs draft anything better with those two picks. Murray and White also have their flaws, with White's "flaw" being his propensity to get injured. I suppose Eubanks and the Aussie keep us solid enough at the center spot.

The only reason I'd say this has any credence is the comment about Pop trying to keep the Spurs relevant. My concern is that we've tried the plan where we have a team with two flawed stars surrounded by role players, and it didn't work so well with DeRozan and Aldridge. Not sure this iteration makes us any better than that...a 35-40 win team battling for the 8 spot. Giving up those two first round picks says we'd be willing to sacrifice the future to stay mediocre.

[Ocotillo]

If you ship out White and Murray added to losing Demar, who is the floor leader for the Spurs? Last season it was either DJ or DD and to a lesser extent White. Does Simmons become the leader? Really? CJ maybe by default as the vet. I think that is an intangible that should be considered as well.

[mo7888]

Interesting idea. We're giving up Murray, White, Poetl and two first round picks for Simmons and McCollum. Both those guys have their flaws, but I'm not sure the Spurs draft anything better with those two picks. Murray and White also have their flaws, with White's "flaw" being his propensity to get injured. I suppose Eubanks and the Aussie keep us solid enough at the center spot.

The only reason I'd say this has any credence is the comment about Pop trying to keep the Spurs relevant. My concern is that we've tried the plan where we have a team with two flawed stars surrounded by role players, and it didn't work so well with DeRozan and Aldridge. Not sure this iteration makes us any better than that...a 35-40 win team battling for the 8 spot. Giving up those two first round picks says we'd be willing to sacrifice the future to stay mediocre.

We'd still have Thad as a small ball 5 or as a trade asset for a different 5 if we wanted to choose that route.

Personally, I think Portland balks (especially after acquiring Nance) but, from our perspective I think this makes us a playoff team and possibly a top 6 seed.

[TDomination]

https://fansided.com/2021/08/30/damian-lillard-ben-simmons-trade-spurs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just to keep this thread alive..

I wouldn't love it

I wouldn't hate it either.

Ben Simmons still relatively young (25yrs) could give us a lot of decent years.
CJ is 29yrs old which is pretty much the age we got Derozan.

It would be similar to another Derozan, Aldridge pairing like someone else mentioned but younger.

at best we get 8th/7th seed.

What would our SL be?

[TD 21]

A better iteration would be . . .

76ers: Lillard, Young

Trail Blazers: Murray, White, Poeltl, multiple 76ers 1sts, Spurs 1st

Spurs: Simmons, McCollum

Johnson/Samanic or Aminu
McDermott/Vassell
Collins (eventually)/Eubanks or Landale
McCollum/Forbes/Walker IV
Simmons/McCollum

Jones, Hutchinson, Primo, Wieskamp

[mo7888]

A better iteration would be . . .

76ers: Lillard, Young

Trail Blazers: Murray, White, Poeltl, multiple 76ers 1sts, Spurs 1st

Spurs: Simmons, McCollum

Johnson/Samanic or Aminu
McDermott/Vassell
Collins (eventually)/Eubanks or Landale
McCollum/Forbes/Walker IV
Simmons/McCollum

Jones, Hutchinson, Primo, Wieskamp

That's an interesting team..

[buttsR4rebounding]

A better iteration would be . . .

76ers: Lillard, Young

Trail Blazers: Murray, White, Poeltl, multiple 76ers 1sts, Spurs 1st

Spurs: Simmons, McCollum

Johnson/Samanic or Aminu
McDermott/Vassell
Collins (eventually)/Eubanks or Landale
McCollum/Forbes/Walker IV
Simmons/McCollum

Jones, Hutchinson, Primo, Wieskamp

McDermott was included in the trade as well.

[CGD]

https://fansided.com/2021/08/30/damian-lillard-ben-simmons-trade-spurs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just to keep this thread alive..

These guys usually have garbage trade ideas, but this one is interesting. Obviously the hang up is Blazers here.

I’m not in love with CJ, but the fit with Simmons actually works well.

[offset formation]

A better iteration would be . . .

76ers: Lillard, Young

Trail Blazers: Murray, White, Poeltl, multiple 76ers 1sts, Spurs 1st

Spurs: Simmons, McCollum

Johnson/Samanic or Aminu
McDermott/Vassell
Collins (eventually)/Eubanks or Landale
McCollum/Forbes/Walker IV
Simmons/McCollum

Jones, Hutchinson, Primo, Wieskamp

Might as well include Walker if you're going to back bench him.

[rjv]

simmons wants to pick his team and has all cali teams on his wish list. seems like another kawhi to me, only with no offense to offer.

[Dex]

simmons wants to pick his team and has all cali teams on his wish list. seems like another kawhi to me, only with no offense to offer.

Reports also coming out that he hasn't been "going through the Sixers workout plan, so no expectation he comes back improved next season.

Guy failed spectacularly, burned his bridges, and now is trying to make demands with zero leverage. Sounds like a real fun guy to have on your team.

[Ocotillo]

Simmons becomes more radioactive by the day. I have been saying all along I want no part of him on the Spurs and if somehow they bring him in, I promise they will rue the day. There is no way to leverage him into following a plan, he has a contract and collects money no matter what and the only question would be how long before he starts acting up to get traded to CA.

[RD2191]

Bring him in, this team will be garbage for the foreseeable future, let's at least get some drama going.

[Sugus]

Reports also coming out that he hasn't been "going through the Sixers workout plan, so no expectation he comes back improved next season.

Guy failed spectacularly, burned his bridges, and now is trying to make demands with zero leverage. Sounds like a real fun guy to have on your team.

You'd have think Spurs fans learned their lesson with diva-wannabe stars and small markets, and yet an astounding amount of them heavily desire to go down the same path once again, only with far less upside and way more chances for a bad ending this time around. Puzzling.

[TD 21]

A better iteration would be


McDermott was included in the trade as well.



Might as well include Walker if you're going to back bench him.

Yeah, it's not like 10th men are required to play siginificant minutes over the course of a long season . . .

[Dex]

:lol Green is already talking like he gone: https://streamable.com/latsa6

"It's tough to say because we don't know what we're going to get back for him [via trade]. We may get a point guard. We may get wings."

Obviously everybody can see the writing on the wall, but I don't think I've ever heard a guy talk about potential trade targets for a guy who is still on his team.

[Larry O]

Reports also coming out that he hasn't been "going through the Sixers workout plan, so no expectation he comes back improved next season.

Guy failed spectacularly, burned his bridges, and now is trying to make demands with zero leverage. Sounds like a real fun guy to have on your team.

I'm hoping that PATFO, is monitoring this situation closely, and are sniffing this out & are coming to the conclusion that this smells like another #2 drama all over again, & have determined that this dude doesn't fit the "Spurs Culture," & they don't want to deal with that drama again, so they have decided to move on from trying to obtain this guy! Let him go to Cali if he wants. Why would the Spurs want to "sell the farm" if this dude doesn't want to come to SA, & then bolt out to Cali soon as he gets the chance, & the Spurs would be left holding an empty bag? The 76'ers may have to take anything at this point, as if it were a fire sale, but let's see what kind of trifling deal to move Simmons, Daryl Morey has in his trick bag, this time, for some dumb organization to buy into. SMH...

[Chinook]

I don't get why people thinking Simmons distancing himself from the team is a red flag. The team isn't holding off on a trade in an attempt to reconcile. They're doing so in an attempt to get more value. So now they're just wasting everyone's time. It's better for the team if he doesn't come to the workout program is he's definitely not going to be on the team next year. That's a needless distraction. This would be like looking at the end of the Butler era in Philly and thinking "That's how the two sides should've handled this".

[Dex]

I'm hoping that PATFO, is monitoring this situation closely, and are sniffing this out & are coming to the conclusion that this smells like another #2 drama all over again, & have determined that this dude doesn't fit the "Spurs Culture," & they don't want to deal with that drama again, so they have decided to move on from trying to obtain this guy! Let him go to Cali if he wants. Why would the Spurs want to "sell the farm" if this dude doesn't want to come to SA, & then bolt out to Cali soon as he gets the chance, & the Spurs would be left holding an empty bag? The 76'ers may have to take anything at this point, as if it were a fire sale, but let's see what kind of trifling deal to move Simmons, Daryl Morey has in his trick bag, this time, for some dumb organization to buy into. SMH...

Yeah, it's weird all around. Assuming that there is any inkling of truth to the reports that the Spurs have discussed deals, offered Murray/Walker, etc...there seems to be interest. If that's the case, PATFO must at least have some level of belief it's a situation they could salvage...which is surprising to me, to be honest.

Granted, the Spurs have had their name thrown around in reports for leverage before, so it could all be a bunch of smoke. But usually where there is smoke, there is fire.

[mo7888]

I don't think the fact that he's not going to report changes anything. I'd still like to bring him in on the right deal and I'd try and swing a separate or 3 team deal to bring in another high level player to compliment him.

[ginobilized]

I trust the Spurs intel on Simmons.
If they want him, there is a strong belief that they can salvage his career. No reason for Simmons to follow the Sixers workout plan if he is being traded.
I'd love to see what he could do on the Spurs. Simmons with floor spacers and speedsters would be fun to watch. He would be an easy piece to build around if he fits in SA.

[Dex]

I don't think the fact that he's not going to report changes anything. I'd still like to bring him in on the right deal and I'd try and swing a separate or 3 team deal to bring in another high level player to compliment him.

From a trade perspective, no. It was already pretty clear that he wanted out...this just makes it that much more official.

From an optics standpoint, he's definitely adding to his reputation of being a whiny little diva. Just seems way too close to the whole Kawhi ordeal for my comfort, even if he is a good talent.

Apparently that doesn't matter much in T:lolday's NBA, but I would still think that should send up a bunch of red flags for an organization that apparently hangs their hat on "culture"

[ducks]

Report: Ben Simmons tells 76ers he wants out of Philadelphia, is prepared to skip training camp

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-ben-simmons-tells-76-ers-he-wants-out-of-philadelphia-prepared-to-skip-training-camp-193258670.html

[John B]

I'm hoping that PATFO, is monitoring this situation closely, and are sniffing this out & are coming to the conclusion that this smells like another #2 drama all over again, & have determined that this dude doesn't fit the "Spurs Culture," & they don't want to deal with that drama again, so they have decided to move on from trying to obtain this guy! Let him go to Cali if he wants. Why would the Spurs want to "sell the farm" if this dude doesn't want to come to SA, & then bolt out to Cali soon as he gets the chance, & the Spurs would be left holding an empty bag? The 76'ers may have to take anything at this point, as if it were a fire sale, but let's see what kind of trifling deal to move Simmons, Daryl Morey has in his trick bag, this time, for some dumb organization to buy into. SMH...

I don’t get what people says about sell the farm. What farm? ESPN, for what it’s worth, just ranked the Spurs at 23rd with our current roster. DJ? As much as I like his progress (and I actually almost gave up on him until last season), still has big flaws on his game as the starting PG, with his heavy ISO plays. LW4? He hasn’t really shown consistent production and could still likelihood be a bust. The Bulls picks? that we almost didn’t have had Demar just walked? Spurs would be lucky if Philly or Portland would take anyone from our “farm.” :lmao

[baseline bum]

I'm hoping that PATFO, is monitoring this situation closely, and are sniffing this out & are coming to the conclusion that this smells like another #2 drama all over again, & have determined that this dude doesn't fit the "Spurs Culture," & they don't want to deal with that drama again, so they have decided to move on from trying to obtain this guy! Let him go to Cali if he wants. Why would the Spurs want to "sell the farm" if this dude doesn't want to come to SA, & then bolt out to Cali soon as he gets the chance, & the Spurs would be left holding an empty bag? The 76'ers may have to take anything at this point, as if it were a fire sale, but let's see what kind of trifling deal to move Simmons, Daryl Morey has in his trick bag, this time, for some dumb organization to buy into. SMH...

Um, that's the point. If the Spurs can get Simmons for pennies on the dollar might as well do it. No one wants the Spurs to dump three firsts and four pick swaps like Brooklyn did to get Harden. But if the Spurs can get Simmons for some kind of crap offer like Murray + Walker + Aminu + Chicago's first obviously you jump on that.

[ismael-robert]

It's a funny farm...when it comes to spurs the smoke isn't indicating fire, just gas

[Mr. Body]

I don’t get what people says about sell the farm. What farm? ESPN, for what it’s worth, just ranked the Spurs at 23rd with our current roster. DJ? As much as I like his progress (and I actually almost gave up on him until last season), still has big flaws on his game as the starting PG, with his heavy ISO plays. LW4? He hasn’t really shown consistent production and could still likelihood be a bust. The Bulls picks? that we almost didn’t have had Demar just walked? Spurs would be lucky if Philly or Portland would take anyone from our “farm.” :lmao

I don't know why you'd give a fuck what ESPN ranks the Spurs at. This is the org that rated DeRozan at the #82 player in the league last year, behind pretty much the entire starting lineup of the Pelicans. They're a joke and should never be taken seriously.

[CGD]

If I’m Spurs, just sit and wait until closer to camp. Let sixer leverage wane. I think Morey is at risk of overplaying his hand here soon.

Bottom line: do what Raps did to us.

[exstatic]

From a trade perspective, no. It was already pretty clear that he wanted out...this just makes it that much more official.

From an optics standpoint, he's definitely adding to his reputation of being a whiny little diva. Just seems way too close to the whole Kawhi ordeal for my comfort, even if he is a good talent.

Apparently that doesn't matter much in T:lolday's NBA, but I would still think that should send up a bunch of red flags for an organization that apparently hangs their hat on "culture"

LaMarcus Aldridge was as big a diva as we’ve ever had on the roster, and asked to be traded. Pop and company talked him off the ledge, and the Spurs won 128 games over the next two seasons, and made a WCFs appearance.

[Teamduncan21]

If I’m Spurs, just sit and wait until closer to camp. Let sixer leverage wane. I think Morey is at risk of overplaying his hand here soon.

Bottom line: do what Raps did to us.

Poeltl pick Murray for green Simmons and cash... Wait a minute...

[MannyIsGod]

I don't get why people thinking Simmons distancing himself from the team is a red flag. The team isn't holding off on a trade in an attempt to reconcile. They're doing so in an attempt to get more value. So now they're just wasting everyone's time. It's better for the team if he doesn't come to the workout program is he's definitely not going to be on the team next year. That's a needless distraction. This would be like looking at the end of the Butler era in Philly and thinking "That's how the two sides should've handled this".

Yeah I really don't understand peoples views here. They threw him under the fucking bus after the playoffs and it was clear they want him gone but its also clear they're holding out big time. Dude wants to move on, they want to move on, he's making sure they stop dicking around.

[Chillen]

Pop would be the perfect head coach to help Simmons get better as a player. Spurs would have to offer Murray, Poeltl, future 1st rounder. I think it makes both teams better. Does he want to be here though and help this team get better in the future?

[exstatic]

I don’t know why people think Philly wants, or would even accept Poeltl. They’d probably be happier with Thad.

[Chinook]

I don’t know why people think Philly wants, or would even accept Poeltl. They’d probably be happier with Thad.

It's not that absurd to believe Philly would value Jakob. After a Simmons trade, Philly would be all-in on Embiid taking them to a title. That counter-intuitively means they should be limiting his minutes as much as possible. So getting a guy who's probably the best back-up center in the league would help them do that. Drummond is okay, but he's still a point they can upgrade. They might well prefer Young to Poeltl, but they might also want both, and if trading Jakob allows the Spurs to save on value elsewhere in the trade, then they should be willing to do it.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

jakob poeltl our most valuable player according to 538


what's truly sad is this is not a laughable take :depressed

[baseline bum]

jakob poeltl our most valuable player according to 538


what's truly sad is this is not a laughable take :depressed

I'd still much rather have this year's roster than last, even with Forbes and McShitballs on the roster.

[Chinook]

In case people are wondering, the Spurs can trade Primo starting 09/10 -- so next weekend. Not saying the teams are waiting on that deal (the salary for the other pieces probably fit matching rules anyway), but something like Murray, Primo, Young and picks matches salary with Simmons pretty well.

If the Spurs and Sixers have agreed to a framework with Murray and AFA going out, then Primo's salary would be necessary. Outside of three-team deals, I didn't see any other remotely realistic combination of players going out from Philly that would require Primo's salary be added to Murray and Young to make the numbers work. Before anyone asks, the same is true for White. It would be necessary for Young and Aminu, but I can't see any Simmons trade that sends neither White nor Murray out -- I wouldn't even want such a trade if one existed.

So the other explanation for why Primo would be in the trade despite having signed his deal is that SA couldn't wait any longer to ink him. He was playing in the SL and was probably on some insurance. After the Spurs inked Primo, it basically put a Simmons trade on hold for 30 days. As I said, Primo's salary shouldn't affect any deal, so him signing wouldn't change anything. I feel like if this were agreed to ala the Love-to-Cleveland deal, we'd already know. So it probably isn't. But considering how Philly apparently liked Josh in the draft, I could see him being a big part of a Simmons package. If the Spurs love him, I'd be really hesitant to make the move. But if they drafted him basically knowing that's who the Sixers coveted, it might explain some things.

I'd personally prefer Vassell to be the traded player over any other wing prospect since he should have good value but also is least likely to develop into a second banana. But obviously, Devin would have a great chance to start with Simmons if he survived the trade.

[John B]

I don't know why you'd give a fuck what ESPN ranks the Spurs at. This is the org that rated DeRozan at the #82 player in the league last year, behind pretty much the entire starting lineup of the Pelicans. They're a joke and should never be taken seriously.

Forget ESPN. Where would you rank this current Spurs?

Funny how, except Orlando (and they have Jalen), all the other teams behind the Spurs have promising young players. I like Keldon, but unless he doesn’t improve on his 3pts and mid-game, he’s going to get checked every night. This team has ONLY role players. That’s the point, when people say, “don’t sell the farm.” What farm, role players? :lol:lol

[tbdog]

If I'm trading for Simmons then I'm thinking who fits with him.

Vassell
Walker
White
Landale
Smith
Forbes
McDermott

I would want to keep as many of them to surround Simmons moving forward.

As for those who don't fit
Poeltl
Young
Murray

At a lesser extent
Johnson
Aminu

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't get why people thinking Simmons distancing himself from the team is a red flag. The team isn't holding off on a trade in an attempt to reconcile. They're doing so in an attempt to get more value. So now they're just wasting everyone's time. It's better for the team if he doesn't come to the workout program is he's definitely not going to be on the team next year. That's a needless distraction. This would be like looking at the end of the Butler era in Philly and thinking "That's how the two sides should've handled this".

I agree. Everyone knows Morey is waiting for Lillard or Beal, however, Simmons doesn't want to be in Portland or Washington. That's why he's pushing them to make a deal to a destination he likes sooner rather than later. We'll see who blinks first, it's an interesting drama.

[JeffDuncan]

If I'm trading for Simmons then I'm thinking who fits with him.
...


You don't think Simmons could run the pick and roll with Poeltl? If White can, why not Simmons?

[San Antonio Slayer]

You don't think Simmons could run the pick and roll with Poeltl? If White can, why not Simmons?
Simmons-Poeltl pick and roll can be easily guarded even by injured players because both don't have a good mid range shot. All their options would be too predictable.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You don't think Simmons could run the pick and roll with Poeltl? If White can, why not Simmons?

Can't run PnR with two non shooters. Both defenders would sag into the paint preventing penetration and allowing everyone else to stick to the shooters without the need to help.

[mo7888]

I agree. Everyone knows Morey is waiting for Lillard or Beal, however, Simmons doesn't want to be in Portland or Washington. That's why he's pushing them to make a deal to a destination he likes sooner rather than later. We'll see who blinks first, it's an interesting drama.

I don't think Simmons not wanting Portland or Washington is that big of a factor. I think Lillard nor Beal asking for a trade is the big factor. Morey is in a position where its almost impossible to wait much longer. I just don't see many options for them...I mean he could probably get Russell from Minny or Fox from Sacramento but I'm not sure if that's more attractive than what we could offer. They might offer more picks than we'd be willing to include and get him but I think Morey is down to the packages from those teams unless there's a dark horse that hasn't been mentioned.

[exstatic]

I don't think Simmons not wanting Portland or Washington is that big of a factor. I think Lillard nor Beal asking for a trade is the big factor. Morey is in a position where its almost impossible to wait much longer. I just don't see many options for them...I mean he could probably get Russell from Minny or Fox from Sacramento but I'm not sure if that's more attractive than what we could offer. They might offer more picks than we'd be willing to include and get him but I think Morey is down to the packages from those teams unless there's a dark horse that hasn't been mentioned.
Fox is allegedly off the table for Sacto.

[baseline bum]

I don't think Simmons not wanting Portland or Washington is that big of a factor. I think Lillard nor Beal asking for a trade is the big factor. Morey is in a position where its almost impossible to wait much longer. I just don't see many options for them...I mean he could probably get Russell from Minny or Fox from Sacramento but I'm not sure if that's more attractive than what we could offer. They might offer more picks than we'd be willing to include and get him but I think Morey is down to the packages from those teams unless there's a dark horse that hasn't been mentioned.

He's not getting either Russell or Fox. Morey is bent over the table, he's not gonna get shit.

[mo7888]

He's not getting either Russell or Fox. Morey is bent over the table, he's not gonna get shit.

If that's the case...we can put the best offer on the table if we choose too.... I'd be nice to bend another team over for a change...

[offset formation]

I just fund it rich that Morey keeps finding himself in the position of having to trade the team's superstar PG.

[LeBowen]

I just fund it rich that Morey keeps finding himself in the position of having to trade the team's superstar PG.

I still don't understand why everyone keeps insisting that Simmons is a PG?
Btw, :rollin @ superstar.

Which modern NBA guard skills does he have?
He does absolutely nothing with the ball in half-court offense.
Someone who's not a threat as PNR ballhandler can't be called a PG.


I was intrigued at first, but after all these reports the only guy I'd trade for him is Bryn. And I'd trade Bryn for Luol Deng's rotting corpse.

Locker-room cancer who'll never improve. The best outcome for everyone is if he joins Minnesota and does his "young socialite" shit there. Irrelevant player perfect for irrelevant franchise.

[rjv]

simmons desire to wind up on a cali team is somewhat hampered by the cap restraints and limited assets that the lakers and clippers have so it would really come down to what GS would be willing to send off to get him. if GS wants to hold on to their younger talent, simmons will have to open up to the idea of playing in other markets. but i still don't want him for what he would cost the spurs.

[cjw]

simmons desire to wind up on a cali team is somewhat hampered by the cap restraints and limited assets that the lakers and clippers have so it would really come down to what GS would be willing to send off to get him. if GS wants to hold on to their younger talent, simmons will have to open up to the idea of playing in other markets. but i still don't want him for what he would cost the spurs.

I don’t know how Golden State can make it work. They would have to not only give enough of a package for Simmons with their young players + picks, but on top of that the only trade piece that makes the numbers work (they’re not trading Curry/Thompson/Green, though could surprise me on the third) is Wiggins. And they’ll have to fork additional assets to someone to take on Wiggins.

Is Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + Poole enough to get Simmons plus move out Wiggins? And does that kind of package give Philly what it wants to compete during Embiid’s core?

A Warriors deal will almost certainly involve a third or even fourth team. The Spurs should be all over it to facilitate + accumulate more assets.

[Excessive Egotist]

I don’t know how Golden State can make it work. They would have to not only give enough of a package for Simmons with their young players + picks, but on top of that the only trade piece that makes the numbers work (they’re not trading Curry/Thompson/Green, though could surprise me on the third) is Wiggins. And they’ll have to fork additional assets to someone to take on Wiggins.

Is Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + Poole enough to get Simmons plus move out Wiggins? And does that kind of package give Philly what it wants to compete during Embiid’s core?

A Warriors deal will almost certainly involve a third or even fourth team. The Spurs should be all over it to facilitate + accumulate more assets.

Morey is asking for the world, but wouldn't Golden State only have to bid higher than Sacramento, which likely offers Hield, Haliburton and one or two picks. If non-California teams are scared off of Simmons/Paul's geographic preferences, then it's basically a matter of Oakland vs. Sacramento. I'd imagine Sacramento opens with one pick in its offer before up-bidding.

I can't see Green and Simmons working together, but, like you, it's hard to see Golden State including Green in a package. Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody, and a first? I'd rather have the Sacramento deal, I think.

[exstatic]

Just FYI, GS was allegedly shopping Green last deadline, and had no takers. I don’t think they’d have a problem with him being a trade piece. Kerr was just done with his ass when he was in the process of running off Durant.

[Chinook]

People keep acting like Simmons or even Paul are reported to have said Simmons is only willing to go to California. That's not what actually happened. He may prefer Cali, but that whole news came from a beat reporter saying a "source" told him that. That could be entirely true, but it could also be the reporter getting something wrong or confusing a member of an entourage saying something with a real trade demand.

[Excessive Egotist]

People keep acting like Simmons or even Paul are reported to have said Simmons is only willing to go to California. That's not what actually happened. He may prefer Cali, but that whole news came from a beat reporter saying a "source" told him that. That could be entirely true, but it could also be the reporter getting something wrong or confusing a member of an entourage saying something with a real trade demand.

This is fair. But even if this is the case, it will cool some non-California teams to him. Increases the risk profile.

[Excessive Egotist]

Just FYI, GS was allegedly shopping Green last deadline, and had no takers. I don’t think they’d have a problem with him being a trade piece. Kerr was just done with his ass when he was in the process of running off Durant.

I had forgotten this. It's hard to know how much of this was rumor vs. fact, but this was in the air.

[itzsoweezee]

Dejounte is a klutch client. So he’s not going to be part of a trade that sends him to Philly (Rich Paul seems to want his guys out of Philly (ie, Maxey). Can you imagine how shitty of a lineup that features both Simmons and Murray would be? The Spurs would struggle to score 100 on any given night.

[Excessive Egotist]

We can't know for sure, but I'd guess the fact the Spurs have not yet moved Young/Aminu/Hutchison yet is because they're preserving all their options on Simmons. I wonder what kind of internal timeline they have untll they're hand is forced? End of camp?

[Excessive Egotist]

Dejounte is a klutch client. So he’s not going to be part of a trade that sends him to Philly (Rich Paul seems to want his guys out of Philly (ie, Maxey). Can you imagine how shitty of a lineup that features both Simmons and Murray would be? The Spurs would struggle to score 100 on any given night.

Murray and Walker. So one assumes that gives Philly leverage to demand White over Murray. I wouldn't include another of our young core beyond White, however. White, Young, Aminu and two picks is along the lines of what the Spurs should offer in this market. Sacramento probably offers Hield, Haliburton, and three picks, in which case I let them win the auction.

[Excessive Egotist]

Morey is asking for the world, but wouldn't Golden State only have to bid higher than Sacramento, which likely offers Hield, Haliburton and one or two picks. If non-California teams are scared off of Simmons/Paul's geographic preferences, then it's basically a matter of Oakland vs. Sacramento. I'd imagine Sacramento opens with one pick in its offer before up-bidding.

I can't see Green and Simmons working together, but, like you, it's hard to see Golden State including Green in a package. Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody, and a first? I'd rather have the Sacramento deal, I think.

SacBee more or less reporting that the Kings' current comfort zone is Hield, Bagley, and three firsts for Simmons. I'm interpreting "multiple" as three.

[baseline bum]

Dejounte is a klutch client. So he’s not going to be part of a trade that sends him to Philly (Rich Paul seems to want his guys out of Philly (ie, Maxey). Can you imagine how shitty of a lineup that features both Simmons and Murray would be? The Spurs would struggle to score 100 on any given night.

Good point about Klutch. Even though Murray is by far my favorite player on the team he's the only good player it would make a whole lot of sense to trade since he and Simmons couldn't play together.

[baseline bum]

SacBee more or less reporting that the Kings' current comfort zone is Hield, Bagley, and three firsts for Simmons. I'm interpreting "multiple" as three.

No thanks, I don't want Simmons at that kind of cost.

[baseline bum]

Murray and Walker. So one assumes that gives Philly leverage to demand White over Murray. I wouldn't include another of our young core beyond White, however. White, Young, Aminu and two picks is along the lines of what the Spurs should offer in this market. Sacramento probably offers Hield, Haliburton, and three picks, in which case I let them win the auction.

Spurs would have to trade Murray for a shooter then.

[Excessive Egotist]

No thanks, I don't want Simmons at that kind of cost.


I don't know. Personally, I'd rather have White, Young, and two firsts, if I'm Morey. This is especially true if he has to part with Maxey too. Seems like a fair deal for Simmons from San Antonio's perspective --6 months ago it would have been considered an underpay for him.

[Excessive Egotist]

Spurs would have to trade Murray for a shooter then.


Or Poeltl for shooting and effectively run Simmons at center.

[baseline bum]

I don't know. Personally, I'd rather have White, Young, and two firsts, if I'm Morey. This is especially true if he has to part with Maxey too. Seems like a fair deal for Simmons from San Antonio's perspective --6 months ago it would have been considered an underpay for him.

No one cares what Morey wants, just like no one cared when the Spurs wanted Siakam or Anunoby but got DePression instead. Morey is going to get bent over. I don't want Simmons on a fair deal.

[Bellboy]

How about a starting point of:

Golden State
Ben Simmons
Aminu
Jefferies


Philadelphia
Derrick White
Thad Young
Lonnie Walker
Drew Eubanks

San Antonio
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Shake Milton



Center Poeltl, Wiseman, Collins

PG Walker, Jones, Forbes

SG Vassel, Milton, Primo

SF Wiggins, McDermott, Bates-Diop

PF Johnson, Samanic, Londale


Possible Shooting Guard Pickup

2Way Wieskamp

[Chinook]

:lol at trading White for Wiggins

Also, SAC's offer listed above is basically neutral value. If that's what it would take for the Kings, SA could beat that while keeping their picks.

[Leetonidas]

How about a starting point of:

Golden State
Ben Simmons
Aminu
Jefferies


Philadelphia
Derrick White
Thad Young
Lonnie Walker
Drew Eubanks

San Antonio
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Shake Milton



Center Poeltl, Wiseman, Collins

PG Walker, Jones, Forbes

SG Vassel, Milton, Primo

SF Wiggins, McDermott, Bates-Diop

PF Johnson, Samanic, Londale


Possible Shooting Guard Pickup

2Way Wieskamp

Hell no man. Lot to give up for a pretty paltry return

[John B]

The Sixers reportedly had to pick between Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, per JeffZillgitt


“The Simmons-Embiid rift had been escalating, a person with knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports.”

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Just FYI, GS was allegedly shopping Green last deadline, and had no takers. I don’t think they’d have a problem with him being a trade piece. Kerr was just done with his ass when he was in the process of running off Durant.

and he just threw him and their ownership under the bus again. I could easily see them ship out draymond

[Leetonidas]

The Sixers reportedly had to pick between Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, per JeffZillgitt


“The Simmons-Embiid rift had been escalating, a person with knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports.”

Embiid said himself this was bullshit, fwiw

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

How about a starting point of:

Golden State
Ben Simmons
Aminu
Jefferies


Philadelphia
Derrick White
Thad Young
Lonnie Walker
Drew Eubanks

San Antonio
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Shake Milton


No, no, no.

[exstatic]

How about a starting point of:

Golden State
Ben Simmons
Aminu
Jefferies


Philadelphia
Derrick White
Thad Young
Lonnie Walker
Drew Eubanks

San Antonio
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Shake Milton



I don’t care about Shake, and we could get Wiggins/wiseman for ending contracts, Wiseman being the sweetener for taking Wiggins awful contract. So, what exactly are we getting for the other 4 players we’re shipping out?

[Bellboy]

I don’t care about Shake, and we could get Wiggins/wiseman for ending contracts, Wiseman being the sweetener for taking Wiggins awful contract. So, what exactly are we getting for the other 4 players we’re shipping out?




Not getting Simmons thank God

Not giving up any draft picks

[ducks]

Report: Timberwolves talking about Karl-Anthony Towns-Anthony Edwards-D’Angelo Russell-Ben Simmons core


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-timberwolves-talking-karl-anthony-001424557.html

[XDT76]

How about a starting point of:

Golden State
Ben Simmons
Aminu
Jefferies


Philadelphia
Derrick White
Thad Young
Lonnie Walker
Drew Eubanks

San Antonio
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Shake Milton



Center Poeltl, Wiseman, Collins

PG Walker, Jones, Forbes

SG Vassel, Milton, Primo

SF Wiggins, McDermott, Bates-Diop

PF Johnson, Samanic, Londale


Possible Shooting Guard Pickup

2Way Wieskamp

Did Dejounte retire?

[talkspurs]

How about a starting point of:

Golden State
Ben Simmons
Aminu
Jefferies


Philadelphia
Derrick White
Thad Young
Lonnie Walker
Drew Eubanks

San Antonio
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Shake Milton



Center Poeltl, Wiseman, Collins

PG Walker, Jones, Forbes

SG Vassel, Milton, Primo

SF Wiggins, McDermott, Bates-Diop

PF Johnson, Samanic, Londale


Possible Shooting Guard Pickup

2Way Wieskamp

I would do this trade. also Murray would be starting.

Dont forget last year people were hoping for a LMA for a Wiggins and first 1st trade. that is basically this except it is white instead of LMA. the other 3 players are nothing. AFA is someone that could be released. Euwbanks (who i kind of like) is still an end of bench player. the only other plyaer is Thad. He is worth a low first rounder. There were also several people who were saying noway they would take LMA for that and would want more.

Wiggins also has gotten better and has a year less on his contract then last year.

I dont know if anyone would agree with me but I would rather have wiggins then Ben. yes this is how low I value Ben. Wiggins has gotten better on O and D. Simmons not so much.

[Bellboy]

Did Dejounte retire?



Sorry my bad, believe me he was there at one time.

We have so many bodies on the team to get rid of, by the time I could get through the Trade Machine without running into cap issues with each team he fell off my Rubik’s Cube. LOL

[Chinook]

Not getting Simmons thank God

Not giving up any draft picks

This is a ridiculous justification. Just don't do any trade, and you can keep your picks and not get Simmons. There's no reason to throw half the roster in a fire to accomplish that.

[Ocotillo]

Sorry my bad, believe me he was there at one time.

We have so many bodies on the team to get rid of, by the time I could get through the Trade Machine without running into cap issues with each team he fell off my Rubik’s Cube. LOL

I think you meant to have Murray at PG, you still have Walker even though you show Phil ending up with Walker.

[cd98]

I would do this trade. also Murray would be starting.

Dont forget last year people were hoping for a LMA for a Wiggins and first 1st trade. that is basically this except it is white instead of LMA. the other 3 players are nothing. AFA is someone that could be released. Euwbanks (who i kind of like) is still an end of bench player. the only other plyaer is Thad. He is worth a low first rounder. There were also several people who were saying noway they would take LMA for that and would want more.

Wiggins also has gotten better and has a year less on his contract then last year.

I dont know if anyone would agree with me but I would rather have wiggins then Ben. yes this is how low I value Ben. Wiggins has gotten better on O and D. Simmons not so much.

What?!? Trading LMA to the Warriors for Wiggins was about getting a draft pick and choking on Wiggins's contract. It was not because anyone thought Wiggins would improve the roster. I certainly wouldn't trade White for him. I like White better and if we are going to trade him, it would be for a plus player, not a net negative player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Supposedly GS is now the frontrunner to land this fool. They can have him.

[manufan10]

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[TDomination]

Supposedly GS is now the frontrunner to land this fool. They can have him.

they have plenty of shooters there so i think the fit would be pretty good for them.

i'd rather him not go there but oh well.

[cjw]

The Sixers literally have no offers. Simmons is no Kawhi, but none of the players that any of these teams are putting on the table (GS, Sac, Minny) are close to DeRozan. Heck, they barely sniff Poeltl.

The Kings are trying to get away with Hield and Bagley. Hield is good from the outside, but not a very efficient player otherwise. And he sucks defensively. He’s 28 and not on a cheap contract. Bagley is still young and can fit with Embiid, but is also due for a new contract soon.

The Warriors have to send out one of Draymond or Wiggins, and not sure their other prospects make a deal attractive enough.

If the Wolves want a core of Russell-Towns-Edwards-Simmons, what the heck are they shipping out? Beasley, Beverley and Taurean Prince? Barf.



Any Spurs’ offer is much more attractive to the Sixers as they can make contracts match without sending any dead long-term money. The Sixers could bring in another team if they wanted to turn any of Young/Aminu/Hutchinson into other pieces. And the Spurs’ young pieces are under better contracts generally, and there are more of them to pick from.

I don’t think he ends up with Spurs, but hard to see a great offer materializing.

[lmbebo]

Warriors don't want Green and Simmons together. Highly doubt Sixers want Green. Makes a warriors trade hard I imagine.

[baseline bum]

The Sixers literally have no offers. Simmons is no Kawhi, but none of the players that any of these teams are putting on the table (GS, Sac, Minny) are close to DeRozan. Heck, they barely sniff Poeltl.

The Kings are trying to get away with Hield and Bagley. Hield is good from the outside, but not a very efficient player otherwise. And he sucks defensively. He’s 28 and not on a cheap contract. Bagley is still young and can fit with Embiid, but is also due for a new contract soon.

The Warriors have to send out one of Draymond or Wiggins, and not sure their other prospects make a deal attractive enough.

If the Wolves want a core of Russell-Towns-Edwards-Simmons, what the heck are they shipping out? Beasley, Beverley and Taurean Prince? Barf.



Any Spurs’ offer is much more attractive to the Sixers as they can make contracts match without sending any dead long-term money. The Sixers could bring in another team if they wanted to turn any of Young/Aminu/Hutchinson into other pieces. And the Spurs’ young pieces are under better contracts generally, and there are more of them to pick from.

I don’t think he ends up with Spurs, but hard to see a great offer materializing.

You're overrating DeRozan. That Toronto trade was a salary dump for them after he got benched in fourth quarters of the ECF, they just happened to luck into a title out of it. DePression was also making near superstar money, eg like $2 million less than Durant and Harden. He was likely the second star Pop was promising Leonard the Spurs were near acquiring when trying to get him to stay since they could get him for practically nothing as a salary dump.

[baseline bum]

Warriors don't want Green and Simmons together. Highly doubt Sixers want Green. Makes a warriors trade hard I imagine.

I can't imagine there are any of these proposals that Philly wants. But they're screwed. They can either trade him for crap or try to force him to play.

[CGD]

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Not surprised. I really never saw the interest/need from GSW side. All agent driven.

[cd021]

So it sounds like its between the Spurs and Minny but I don't know who they're even offering.

[Mr. Body]

Not surprised. I really never saw the interest/need from GSW side. All agent driven.

No fucking shit. Most of the 'chatter' around Simmons is bullshit created by his agency, with the pathetic, immoral sports media giving them a big assist. Warriors never had any interest.

[cd98]

No fucking shit. Most of the 'chatter' around Simmons is bullshit created by his agency, with the pathetic, immoral sports media giving them a big assist. Warriors never had any interest.

More likely it is the 76ers trying to create rumors to up the price. The agency doesn't have to do much, just sit tight and make things awkward for the 76ers.

[Leetonidas]

:lol there are multiple teams' local beat reporters reporting on their teams trade talks around Simmons. This isn't some fake chatter created by his agency :lmao you really think his agent needs to drum up interest? He's a young all-star on a 4 year deal who has demanded out of Philly. Teams are calling about it. It's not made up

[mo7888]

So it sounds like its between the Spurs and Minny but I don't know who they're even offering.

I think this is right...and if minny isn't offering Russell or Edwards then I think we could be in the driver's seat.

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah nobody is wanting this diva. Besides me, I like drama. I would prefer to watch the Ben Simmons trainwreck over the Forbes clap his hands in disgust, look down, and shake his head as he jogs back on offense after giving up his 110th layup.

I lowkey feel like GS wants Raymond gone, but are too scared to do it :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

So it sounds like its between the Spurs and Minny but I don't know who they're even offering.

As far as the current roster goes, there are a lot of expendable pieces that the Spurs can trade. My hope, if they pursue Simmons, is that they keep their first round picks. I still think he'd likely turn out to be a mistake, but if it's not a overly costly move perhaps it's worth a roll of the dice. We're talent deprived at this point so who really cares. This team needs an enema, and maybe that enema is named Ben Simmons.

[808]

As far as the current roster goes, there are a lot of expendable pieces that the Spurs can trade. My hope, if they pursue Simmons, is that they keep their first round picks. I still think he'd likely turn out to be a mistake, but if it's not a overly costly move perhaps it's worth a roll of the dice. We're talent deprived at this point so who really cares. This team needs an enema, and maybe that enema is named Ben Simmons.

Benema if you will

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Benema if you will

:lol

[John B]

I tend to believe Chinook that Primo could be part of the trade for Simmons come Sept 9 when he becomes available to be traded, with rumors that Sixers was high on Primo. Or if that doesn’t happen, that Primo is a potential top 5 draft pick next year who can be paired with next year’s high pick. So either way, Spurs doesn’t have to be all in with Simmons. But I’m hoping that Spurs get Simmons, see what Chip and Spurs winning culture can do with him, and see where that takes us.

[The Truth #6]

Ehh, I’d trade DJ, Yak, Thad Young, and the Chicago 1st? (I have no idea if the numbers are close). If we got back Maxey, then I’d like that. Seems unlikely, but the wait will screw over Morey more and more, and though I don’t dislike the Sixers, they sort of deserve this for not choosing between Simmons and Embiid years ago.

[Mr. Body]

I tend to believe Chinook that Primo could be part of the trade for Simmons come Sept 9 when he becomes available to be traded, with rumors that Sixers was high on Primo. Or if that doesn’t happen, that Primo is a potential top 5 draft pick next year who can be paired with next year’s high pick. So either way, Spurs doesn’t have to be all in with Simmons. But I’m hoping that Spurs get Simmons, see what Chip and Spurs winning culture can do with him, and see where that takes us.

Lol wut.

[TD 21]

If the Wolves want a core of Russell-Towns-Edwards-Simmons, what the heck are they shipping out? Beasley, Beverley and Taurean Prince? Barf.

Any Spurs’ offer is much more attractive to the Sixers as they can make contracts match without sending any dead long-term money. The Sixers could bring in another team if they wanted to turn any of Young/Aminu/Hutchinson into other pieces. And the Spurs’ young pieces are under better contracts generally, and there are more of them to pick from.

I don’t think he ends up with Spurs, but hard to see a great offer materializing.

Supposedly the Timberwolves' offer is Beasley, Prince, McDaniels + undisclosed draft capital, but they'd need that to interest a third team to get the 76ers the type of win now lead play maker they covet.

Not great obviously, but unlike the Spurs' expendable pieces, they're at least malleable ones who play in demand positions, so they'd probably have a better chance of attracting another team.



So it sounds like its between the Spurs and Minny but I don't know who they're even offering.

I don't know where you saw that, but by process of elimination . . .

Trail Blazers: Even if amendable to McCollum+, the 76ers aren't because it'd be a conflict of interest to their ultimate end goal of acquiring Lillard.

Kings: If their offer is seriously Hield and Bagley III, they'd have to include an absurd amount of draft capital.

Warriors and Raptors: I never bought either, it's just typical media policy to feel obligated to include their pets with regard to any available or potentially so superstar or star in their quest to will them back into contention.

[SpursDynasty85]

Spurs are involved for the draft picks and players not named Simmons.

[Mr. Body]

So it sounds like its between the Spurs and Minny but I don't know who they're even offering.

"The Spurs are totally interested in Ben Simmons for sure."

Source: the mutants on SpursTalk

[talkspurs]

What?!? Trading LMA to the Warriors for Wiggins was about getting a draft pick and choking on Wiggins's contract. It was not because anyone thought Wiggins would improve the roster. I certainly wouldn't trade White for him. I like White better and if we are going to trade him, it would be for a plus player, not a net negative player.

I understand that and we would still be getting the player who would have been picked with that first rd pick. We would get wiseman. The only difference between that trade and this trade (as far as who we get back) is that we would have had to pick wiseman. Min could have picked him them we would have been left with edwards. he we know we get the player we were wanting.

As far as white. I can understand why you would not want to trade him but remember last summer LMA was still start to be a good player.

[Chinook]

No. The only difference between this year and last is that the Spurs would be trading their best player while still not having Aldridge. This deal sucks and there's no way to unsuck it as long as the principle pieces remain.

[Dex]

Not surprised. I really never saw the interest/need from GSW side. All agent driven.

It's like their playing a game of chess against themselves.

"Golden State is considered the front-runner to land Ben Simmons"

"Actually, Golden State never actually picked up the phone but several voicemails were left"

[Mr. Body]

It's like their playing a game of chess against themselves.

"Golden State is considered the front-runner to land Ben Simmons"

"Actually, Golden State never actually picked up the phone but several voicemails were left"

This is how Klutch/the media have been trying to create a market for Simmons. Pretend there is interest by teams that have no interest. This engenders interest by other parties. Only Ben Simmons isn't a player anyone wants other than two of the usual shitty franchises.

[99 Problems]

It’s still happening…..

[pookenstein]

Yeah nobody is wanting this diva. Besides me, I like drama. I would prefer to watch the Ben Simmons trainwreck over the Forbes clap his hands in disgust, look down, and shake his head as he jogs back on offense after giving up his 110th layup.

I lowkey feel like GS wants Raymond gone, but are too scared to do it :lol

Maybe you'll get both... :lol

[Spurs9]

L E V E R A G E

[cd021]

I tend to believe Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) that Primo could be part of the trade for Simmons come Sept 9 when he becomes available to be traded, with rumors that Sixers was high on Primo. Or if that doesn’t happen, that Primo is a potential top 5 draft pick next year who can be paired with next year’s high pick. So either way, Spurs doesn’t have to be all in with Simmons. But I’m hoping that Spurs get Simmons, see what Chip and Spurs winning culture can do with him, and see where that takes us.

Were the 76ers really high on Primo? I haven't seen that yet.

[cd021]

Supposedly the Timberwolves' offer is Beasley, Prince, McDaniels + undisclosed draft capital, but they'd need that to interest a third team to get the 76ers the type of win now lead play maker they covet.

Not great obviously, but unlike the Spurs' expendable pieces, they're at least malleable ones who play in demand positions, so they'd probably have a better chance of attracting another team.




I don't know where you saw that, but by process of elimination . . .

Trail Blazers: Even if amendable to McCollum+, the 76ers aren't because it'd be a conflict of interest to their ultimate end goal of acquiring Lillard.

Kings: If their offer is seriously Hield and Bagley III, they'd have to include an absurd amount of draft capital.

Warriors and Raptors: I never bought either, it's just typical media policy to feel obligated to include their pets with regard to any available or potentially so superstar or star in their quest to will them back into contention.

I pieced that together by the various reports. There was an athletic report that GSW wasn't interested in trading Wiseman and or Kuminga in a trade for Simmons and they weren't actively pursuing a trade. There was another report that Toronto had interest but that stopped after they drafted Barnes.

The Kings seemingly are dead set against trading Fox and or Haliburton, so its hard to imagine them having a serious package.

Agreed on Portland.

Minny could go for broke and add just about every first that they have to try and entice Philly, though that seems unlikely.

Based on that, I think the Spurs have a great chance of getting him. I think it will come down to the number of attached picks though.

[cd98]

Spurs are not getting Simmons and likely won't be involved in the trade at all. But they are probably bidding up the price for the Twolves and Kings.

[Leetonidas]

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:lmao no wonder he wants out of Philly

[FkLA]

1433821999852363792

:lmao no wonder he wants out of Philly

damn :lol

[rjv]

i am highly skeptical that the spurs would offer primo for simmons; they didn't draft him just to jettison him off just like that.

[mo7888]

i am highly skeptical that the spurs would offer primo for simmons; they didn't draft him just to jettison him off just like that.

I kinda think the same way here on Primo. I also think in a couple years his game would fit very nicely next to Ben.

[gambit1990]

so it'd be like... murray + white for ben?

[gambit1990]

don't forget about making the numbers work, simmons is making $30M+.

[baseline bum]

so it'd be like... murray + white for ben?

Hope not, I don't want the Spurs to be stuck with having to play Walker huge minutes.

[Leetonidas]

so it'd be like... murray + white for ben?

I imagine it'd he one of White or Murray and Young plus a young player like Walker or Vassell. Plus a future pick. Which I'd do all day since none of these guys will ever be Allstars

[Dverde]

I wonder if DJ being with Klutch makes a trade more unlikely. Rumor is there is growing tension between them and the 76ers FO.

[mo7888]

I wonder if DJ being with Klutch makes a trade more unlikely. Rumor is there is growing tension between them and the 76ers FO.

I keep hearing this line bantered about and I don't buy it... I don't think an agency can afford to have a toxic relationship with a team to the point they don't want any players they represent on it... in the end (for the agency) it'll be just business.

[cd021]

so it'd be like... murray + white for ben?
I think the initial reports were a package centered around Murray and Walker. Probably Thad added in to make the money work.

[LeBowen]

don't forget about making the numbers work, simmons is making $30M+.

33-35-37-40

He's almost a negative asset with that contract.
I wouldn't give up anything more than White+Vassell+Young. Maybe a single first rounder instead of Vassell.

[cd021]

Have people brought up a potential three team trade between Philly, Phoenix, and San Antonio?

Spurs Get:

Ben Simmons
Dario Saric

Philly Gets:

Murray
Walker
Jalen Smith
2022 Spurs Unprotected 1st
2024 Spurs top 5 protected 1st
2024 Phoenix 1st (lottery protected)

Phoenix Gets:

Thad Young

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight

Ben Simmon
Borderline All-Star
5-yr Market Value $155.6M
Most Comparable Magic Johnson 1985

[CGD]

Have people brought up a potential three team trade between Philly, Phoenix, and San Antonio?

Spurs Get:

Ben Simmons
Dario Saric

Philly Gets:

Murray
Walker
Jalen Smith
2022 Spurs Unprotected 1st
2024 Spurs top 5 protected 1st
2024 Phoenix 1st (lottery protected)

Phoenix Gets:

Thad Young

Drop a spur pick and protect the other, otherwise that could work.

(Think Spurs would need to send salary ballast too, right?)

[Mr. Body]

i am highly skeptical that the spurs would offer primo for simmons; they didn't draft him just to jettison him off just like that.

Of course, because you are a rational, thinking adult without spiders for brains.

[cjw]

don't forget about making the numbers work, simmons is making $30M+.

Spurs have plenty of salaries they can throw into a deal to make numbers work with no long-term money beyond this year. Simmons makes $33 million. That can equal 125% plus $100k of what the Spurs send out. So basically need to get to $26.32 million or so.

One of Murray or White plus Aminu almost gets you there on its own. And the Spurs will have to give up more than Murray or White.

[SPURt]

This looks like it’s going to end pretty badly for Philly. But… I can’t wait to see the Philly fans in the Ben Simmons return game (which the NBA will eventually make happen regardless of conference). They’re gonna make Spurs fans look soft on Kawhi.

[cd021]

Drop a spur pick and protect the other, otherwise that could work.

(Think Spurs would need to send salary ballast too, right?)

The trade works financially, according to Trade NBA, because Philly would be taking Murray, Walker, and Smith. I think 3 firsts would seal the deal, with only two coming from the Spurs. That's not a lot to give up in my opinion. With the Bulls 2025 pick, the Spurs would really only be out of 1 first rounder.

[baseline bum]

33-35-37-40

He's almost a negative asset with that contract.
I wouldn't give up anything more than White+Vassell+Young. Maybe a single first rounder instead of Vassell.

I would much rather give up Murray than White. Murray is a better player but would be unplayable with Simmons.

[Chinook]

Have people brought up a potential three team trade between Philly, Phoenix, and San Antonio?

Spurs Get:

Ben Simmons
Dario Saric

Philly Gets:

Murray
Walker
Jalen Smith
2022 Spurs Unprotected 1st
2024 Spurs top 5 protected 1st
2024 Phoenix 1st (lottery protected)

Phoenix Gets:

Thad Young

Either swap out Walker for Hutch or turn that 24 pick into the Chicago pick.

[Maddog]

33-35-37-40

He's almost a negative asset with that contract.
I wouldn't give up anything more than White+Vassell+Young. Maybe a single first rounder instead of Vassell.

He's owed big time money and yeah he's young, but not that young. He's hitting that age where he is what he is.
His flaw is huge, can't shoot. Either it shots outside the lane or free throw. It's not only he can't shoot, but in addition he won't even try. At 25 I'm not sure how much better he's going to get.

He reminds me of a middle infielder who suddenly has trouble throwing to 1st. It's not easily correctable

I'd say no
Of course I don't think the Spurs have a good offer