Stein: Chatter Circulating About The Spurs' Attempts To "Barge" Their Way Into Simmons Sweepstakes

[cjw]

I could see the Sixers going for Wall if they get extremely desperate to get a deal done. But I don't think the Rockets would want Simmons because they would prefer the ball to be in the hands of Jalen Green, and they would want Simmons to play the 5 due to his lack of shooting.

They would rather give Simmons away for free (or a bunch of expirings) than take Wall back for Simmons.

Heck, Young, Aminu and whatever filler you can use to get to a number that works is a better deal than Simmons for Wall.

[cd98]

Well 76ers have some room here since Simmons signed a long term contract. Looks they are going to play a little hard ball, but what happens if he starts playing like Vince Carter did in Toronto when he wanted out?

[mo7888]

Well 76ers have some room here since Simmons signed a long term contract. Looks they are going to play a little hard ball, but what happens if he starts playing like Vince Carter did in Toronto when he wanted out?

They are acting like they're going to play hard ball...they are bluffing....they will fold... everyone knows it..

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

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I like how Tom Moore has the year wrong on his tweet. I'd expect Simmons to play in '20-'21 too.

[Seventyniner]

They would rather give Simmons away for free (or a bunch of expirings) than take Wall back for Simmons.

Heck, Young, Aminu and whatever filler you can use to get to a number that works is a better deal than Simmons for Wall.

The Sixers would still have to receive picks, but they were going to insist on that anyway. It would be less about Wall having positive value, and more about getting a "name". Kind of like the Lakers trading for Westbrook.

[RD2191]

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Bullshit tbh

[Mr. Body]

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Yep. There's no market for him. Nobody's offering anything.

[baseline bum]

They are acting like they're going to play hard ball...they are bluffing....they will fold... everyone knows it..

Why fold if the offers you're getting are shit?

[mo7888]

Why fold if the offers you're getting are shit?

Because the cost of having an unhappy BS on the team is greater than eating the shit sandwich .

[Teamduncan21]

2020-2021 is done lol.

[baseline bum]

Because the cost of having an unhappy BS on the team is greater than eating the shit sandwich .

I don't know, that's a pretty heavy cost to take on crap. Besides, he doesn't show up to play they can just not pay him.

[ginobilized]

McCollum for Simmons makes a lot of sense for both teams.
Portland is a small market team, maybe they are the ones who have made an offer?

[Chinook]

Why fold if the offers you're getting are shit?

Because what's shit? If they're thinking he's getting seven picks, then any reasonable offer will seem insulting. If teams aren't willing to offer any rotation-caliber players or treating him like a negative contract, then yes, that's pure shit.

[baseline bum]

Because what's shit? If they're thinking he's getting seven picks, then any reasonable offer will seem insulting. If teams aren't willing to offer any rotation-caliber players or treating him like a negative contract, then yes, that's pure shit.

Seems like all anyone is offering Philly is warm bodies, and for good reason, since teams always fold when their stars bitch and whine their way out of town. At least now it's funny seeing it happen to a big market.

[mo7888]

I don't know, that's a pretty heavy cost to take on crap. Besides, he doesn't show up to play they can just not pay him.

One man's shit sandwich is another's caviar... I mean to them anything less than 3 1st's and a couple pick swaps is a SS... So DJ + Thad + our 1st in 22 + the Chicago 1st is SS to them but it's alot better than trying to get BS integrated somewhere he doesn't wanna be...

[baseline bum]

One man's shit sandwich is another's caviar... I mean to them anything less than 3 1st's and a couple pick swaps is a SS... So DJ + Thad + our 1st in 22 + the Chicago 1st is SS to them but it's alot better than trying to get BS integrated somewhere he doesn't wanna be...

If the Spurs are offering all of that Wrong should be hung from his balls in front of the AT&T Center.

[Chinook]

Seems like all anyone is offering Philly is warm bodies, and for good reason, since teams always fold when their stars bitch and whine their way out of town. At least now it's funny seeing it happen to a big market.

I honestly don't know. The closest I've seen to a concrete offer was Hield, Bagley and picks. That's not a superstar, but if they're offering two real firsts, then it's not unreasonable as a starting offer. I think a lot of teams want to get Simmons without moving their top two or three guys. That probably isn't going to change. Philly won't get anything like a satisfactory resolution unless they're willing to take back another second banana while paying to move Simmons. There are very few players on the market right now who could even theoretically be the second-best player for a contender: Beal, Simmons, Sabonis, Siakam and Jamal Murray are probably the only ones with any chance of being dealt. I don't know if any of those teams would take Simmons for their guy right now.

[XDT76]

Well 76ers have to complete the trade before Oct, else they are probably not going to trade as they had to pay half of Simmons salary on 1st Oct.

[exstatic]

Well 76ers have to complete the trade before Oct, else they are probably not going to trade as they had to pay half of Simmons salary on 1st Oct.

Yeah, they really need to get this done. If he sits out, he even has a war chest to pay any fines from.

[John B]

They are acting like they're going to play hard ball...they are bluffing....they will fold... everyone knows it..

Sixers have to deal Simmons and get Embiid help soon. Or Embiid would be the next player asking to be traded soon. Embiid knees will not hold too long. Sixers cannot afford to mess this up and just let Simmons sit too long without getting a suitable replacement. They could very well be back to rebuilding… again.

[Spurs9]

I like how Tom Moore has the year wrong on his tweet. I'd expect Simmons to play in '20-'21 too.

Theres no way he ever plays for the 76ers another game. Moorey is just trying to play games with offers.

[cjw]

Sixers have to deal Simmons and get Embiid help soon. Or Embiid would be the next player asking to be traded soon. Embiid knees will not hold too long. Sixers cannot afford to mess this up and just let Simmons sit too long without getting a suitable replacement. They could very well be back to rebuilding… again.

This is the key point. Embiid is squarely in his prime and is an MVP candidate. They have no idea how long it’s going to last, and they cannot afford a nephew situation.

Anyone who wants to acquire Simmons either has to provide pieces that can help Philly win now, or assets that Philly can redirect to a third team to bring in a guy / guys who can help Philly win now.

None of the teams that are listed as suitors can really provide either unless it’s a boatload of picks. I’m not sure in many of those cases the players they’re offering are ahead of existing Sixers guys in the rotation.

This is what makes the Spurs as a suitor so intriguing. They need to bring back a point guard that can actually run a pick and roll with Embiid (can shoot from more than 2 feet away), and either Murray or White provide that. Plus they’re both very good defenders, so the Sixers don’t downgrade as much defensively as they would in many other deals. The Spurs can also offer generally unencumbered picks, as well as expiring contracts to make the numbers work - including one who can be an asset in Young.

Unless the Sixers are getting back at least a McCollum, who by the way is about to turn 30 and sucks as a defender, these deals are almost all absolute crap. Which means the Spurs may be able to pull a Toronto and get him below fair value.

(And no, that’s not an endorsement by me to make this deal)

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

the spurs are going to suck. really, really, really suck.

:fro

[Uriel]

I read they’re going to fine him everyday until he shows up, beginning with training camp. Tbh, this is what we should’ve done with Scumbag.

[exstatic]

I read they’re going to fine him everyday until he shows up, beginning with training camp. Tbh, this is what we should’ve done with Scumbag.

They have to pay him half of his salary on 1 October. It’s in his contract.

He’ll have a nice little war chest to pay those fines from. This game only gets worse for Philly as time passes.

[exstatic]

I read they’re going to fine him everyday until he shows up, beginning with training camp. Tbh, this is what we should’ve done with Scumbag.

They have to pay him half of his salary on 1 October. It’s in his contract.

He’ll have a nice little war chest to pay those fines from. This game only gets worse for Philly as time passes.

[John B]

They have to pay him half of his salary on 1 October. It’s in his contract.

He’ll have a nice little war chest to pay those fines from. This game only gets worse for Philly as time passes.

Sixers cannot afford to sacrifice Embiid prime years. Sixers would need to salvage and get what they can. It’s a win now for Embiid or else he’s also gone, I think.

[XDT76]

I read they’re going to fine him everyday until he shows up, beginning with training camp. Tbh, this is what we should’ve done with Scumbag.

He could turn up and then screw the team causing them to lose, he has a nice 4 years contract all tie up. Unless 76ers wanted to waste Embid's next few years. His trade value will diminish even more if he wanted to.

[John B]

He could turn up and then screw the team causing them to lose, he has a nice 4 years contract all tie up. Unless 76ers wanted to waste Embid's next few years. His trade value will diminish even more if he wanted to.

Simmons can do what Harden did, a total locker room headcase. Sixers is on a win now and cannot afford to lose time acclimating new players for the season.

[exstatic]

They’ve got to trade him before the October 1st, when 50% of his contract for this year is payable.

[Spurs9]

Have we barged in yet?

[Robz4000]

Have we barged in yet?

You son of a bitch, I'm in!

[baseline bum]

They’ve got to trade him before the October 1st, when 50% of his contract for this year is payable.

JFC can Philly be more bent over the table? :lmao

LMAO if the Spurs can get Simmons for Murray, the Chicago pick, and then cap filler like Aminu

[gambit1990]

LMAO if the Spurs can get Simmons for Murray, the Chicago pick, and then cap filler like Aminu
no way that happens...

[baseline bum]

no way that happens...

Sounds like they're going to be forced to take someone's garbage package.

[Jordan Jackson]

Even if the Spurs made an offer - It can’t be Murray. Klutch does not want their clients in Philly.

Anyway, the young guys are already hanging out together - they were live on Instagram having fun. Don’t think anyone is getting moved from that group IMO.

[Ditty]

Sounds like Twitter is starting to heat up a bit with Simmons to the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Simmons would legit hate it here in San Antonio :lol. Dude might demand a trade before he plays a single game here. With that said, other teams have more to offer so I really don’t see any way this happens unless we sell the farm tbh.

[spurraider21]

Sounds like Twitter is starting to heat up a bit with Simmons to the Spurs.
indeed

:lol

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[Ditty]

indeed

:lol

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Apparently that Vee thee insider has broke some legit news in the past :lol . We will see if it’s BS or not.

[tbdog]

Disappointed if KJ was traded.

[Chinook]

That's actually a hell of a deal for the Spurs, provided they don't have Johnson as their best prospect. Yes, I know it's not a real tweet, but ultimately, the Spurs would do well to get out of the trade with most of their future picks and prospect pool intact. I like Keldon, but he's also not a guaranteed hit as a prospect. He regressed a lot over the season, and he's ultimately going to have to overcome being an undersized PF who doesn't have a lot of notable traits outside of his hustle. Provided he learns to shoot, he's actually a good fit with Simmons, so I wouldn't want him to be in the deal. But if putting him in the deal saves picks and Vassell, it's not too high of a price to pay.

[exstatic]

Even if the Spurs made an offer - It can’t be Murray. Klutch does not want their clients in Philly.

Anyway, the young guys are already hanging out together - they were live on Instagram having fun. Don’t think anyone is getting moved from that group IMO.

That’s a fake story from weeks ago. If Klutch was already poisoned against the Sixers, they’d just keep Simmons, and tell Klutch to fuck off.

[XDT76]

That’s a fake story from weeks ago. If Klutch was already poisoned against the Sixers, they’d just keep Simmons, and tell Klutch to fuck off.

I wonder what would Philly do if Ben pulls a Kawhi on them

[gambit1990]

https://twitter.com/shamscharaiia/status/1438871440577777674?s=21

[tbdog]

That's actually a hell of a deal for the Spurs, provided they don't have Johnson as their best prospect. Yes, I know it's not a real tweet, but ultimately, the Spurs would do well to get out of the trade with most of their future picks and prospect pool intact. I like Keldon, but he's also not a guaranteed hit as a prospect. He regressed a lot over the season, and he's ultimately going to have to overcome being an undersized PF who doesn't have a lot of notable traits outside of his hustle. Provided he learns to shoot, he's actually a good fit with Simmons, so I wouldn't want him to be in the deal. But if putting him in the deal saves picks and Vassell, it's not too high of a price to pay.

I actually agree that I rather have vassell thanJohnson if Simmons is running the show. That's a playoff team. But spurs would need to address the starting center position in the following offseason to make playoff runs.

[CGD]

indeed

:lol

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I’d hate to part with Keldon, but I do that trade.

This would be an interesting first 5:

White
Vassell
Simmons
McB
Zollins (eventually)

[John B]

Simmons would legit hate it here in San Antonio :lol. Dude might demand a trade before he plays a single game here. With that said, other teams have more to offer so I really don’t see any way this happens unless we sell the farm tbh.

I don’t know, Spurs are lining up the Aussies :lol

Man I would’ve love for Patty instead of Forbes. But Forbes fits the age group better. Did I just say that? :bang :lol

[John B]

indeed

:lol

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Couldn’t they throw in Poeltl instead of Young or Johnson instead? I really don’t like Poeltl with Simmons in the SL together.

[exstatic]

Couldn’t they throw in Poeltl instead of Young or Johnson instead? I really don’t like Poeltl with Simmons in the SL together.

It’s a fake account, and no more valid than anything posted here. Check the @. It’s misspelled.

[SAGirl]

Disappointed if KJ was traded.
At least that particular one was a fake Shams account... look at the handle last name: Charaiia

[TD 21]

‎Chad Ford's NBA Big Board - NBA Draft Podcast: NBA Power Rankings w/ Marc Stein on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000535629327)

At 1:05:53, Stein says: "I mean, the Spurs, as you know, they would love to get in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes, they just, I don't think have enough to, you know, somebody would have to really fall in love with some of their young guards to, for any kind of multi-team Simmons scenario to materialize for San Antonio."

[4lifecowboy]

‎Chad Ford's NBA Big Board - NBA Draft Podcast: NBA Power Rankings w/ Marc Stein on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000535629327)

At 1:05:53, Stein says: "I mean, the Spurs, as you know, they would love to get in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes, they just, I don't think have enough to, you know, somebody would have to really fall in love with some of their young guards to, for any kind of multi-team Simmons scenario to materialize for San Antonio."

Good, would rather go thru an evaluation year than invest four years of cap space, draft capitol, and young players that haven't plateaued yet.

[baseline bum]

‎Chad Ford's NBA Big Board - NBA Draft Podcast: NBA Power Rankings w/ Marc Stein on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000535629327)

At 1:05:53, Stein says: "I mean, the Spurs, as you know, they would love to get in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes, they just, I don't think have enough to, you know, somebody would have to really fall in love with some of their young guards to, for any kind of multi-team Simmons scenario to materialize for San Antonio."

I mean the Spurs don't have shit for talent to send out, but it's not like the Wolves are going to send anything decent out if they win the Simmons sweepstakes either. I don't see how Philly isn't getting raped in whatever deal they do between now and September 30th.

[Mr. Body]

‎Chad Ford's NBA Big Board - NBA Draft Podcast: NBA Power Rankings w/ Marc Stein on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000535629327)

At 1:05:53, Stein says: "I mean, the Spurs, as you know, they would love to get in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes, they just, I don't think have enough to, you know, somebody would have to really fall in love with some of their young guards to, for any kind of multi-team Simmons scenario to materialize for San Antonio."

Stein is still peddling this horseshit.

[exstatic]

I mean the Spurs don't have shit for talent to send out, but it's not like the Wolves are going to send anything decent out if they win the Simmons sweepstakes either. I don't see how Philly isn't getting raped in whatever deal they do between now and September 30th.

Yup. Sactos offer was Hield, a player they’ve been trying to dump for a year, and Bagley, another player they’ve been trying to dump for a year. They won’t part with Fox or Haliburton, nor will Minny part with KAT or Ant.

If you start with the premise that Philly is getting boned, I think our talent stacks up with what other teams are willing to offer.

[baseline bum]

Yup. Sactos offer was Hield, a player they’ve been trying to dump for a year, and Bagley, another player they’ve been trying to dump for a year. They won’t part with Fox or Haliburton, nor will Minny part with KAT or Ant.

If you start with the premise that Philly is getting boned, I think our talent stacks up with what other teams are willing to offer.

Minnesota won't even consider Russell much less Edwards or Towns. Can't wait to see the shit sandwich Morey is going to have to swallow.

[tbdog]

Considering that young still hasn't been traded, seems to me that the spurs are still in the talks involving something bigger. I assume sixers would want Young but also want a two way guard. A Young and Murray package appears to be one of the better deals out there. Amazing really how much simmons stock has tanked.

[Teamduncan21]

But is there a chance one of those teams give in and cave? Say sacto can agree to give haliburton for instance. Or wolves on Russel.

[tbdog]

But is there a chance one of those teams give in and cave? Say sacto can agree to give haliburton for instance. Or wolves on Russel.

I think Halliburton might have more value in the league, but sixers aren't winning with them. And they need to win now.

[XDT76]

But is there a chance one of those teams give in and cave? Say sacto can agree to give haliburton for instance. Or wolves on Russel.

How many would want to take at high risk for a $40M player that you can defend in late 4Q by hack a Shaq and screw him mentally.

[jjspur]

I doubt Morey will get screwed, he's too good a GM for that. Whomever is involved in the deal with Philly will lose several players and picks. I still say the spurs could be involved just not getting Simmons but maybe a a higher draft pick for T. Young or even a younger player and a 2nd. I know this has been discussed before but its usually where we get Simmons and lose half our starting lineup. In this deal we lose Young but we get a pick(s) and possibly a replacement player just not Simmons. That seems more plausible that us getting Simmons and losing part of the starting lineup and a ton of future picks.

Morey is a very experienced GM and make deals all the time unlike our front office. He'll screw someone over to get rid of problem boy Simmons. I just hope its not the spurs. :spin

[exstatic]

I doubt Morey will get screwed, he's too good a GM for that. Whomever is involved in the deal with Philly will lose several players and picks. I still say the spurs could be involved just not getting Simmons but maybe a a higher draft pick for T. Young or even a younger player and a 2nd. I know this has been discussed before but its usually where we get Simmons and lose half our starting lineup. In this deal we lose Young but we get a pick(s) and possibly a replacement player just not Simmons. That seems more plausible that us getting Simmons and losing part of the starting lineup and a ton of future picks.

Morey is a very experienced GM and make deals all the time unlike our front office. He'll screw someone over to get rid of problem boy Simmons. I just hope its not the spurs. :spin

Morey isn’t that going to get screwed because he’s a bad GM, he’s going to get screwed because of bad circumstances. Simmons wants out, and everyone knows it, knocking his value way down. In addition, there is a countdown. Simmons gets paid half his salary on October 1st, and if Philly still has him as an asset, they have to pay that, and that’s money they’ll never get back.
I also think other front offices are tired of wonder boy Morey, and would like to take him down a peg or two.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Morey isn’t that going to get screwed because he’s a bad GM, he’s going to get screwed because of bad circumstances. Simmons wants out, and everyone knows it, knocking his value way down. In addition, there is a countdown. Simmons gets paid half his salary on October 1st, and if Philly still has him as an asset, they have to pay that, and that’s money they’ll never get back.
I also think other front offices are tired of wonder boy Morey, and would like to take him down a peg or two.

The wonder boy shtick is overrated too. Morey got a heist of a deal when he got Harden from Thunder, but those were circumstances driven rather than any special insight into Harden's game that only Morey had. His deal for Howard was a bad one, the way it played out. He got Paul in a good deal with the Clippers, but that was also circumstances driven and the deal for Westbrook made the Rockets worse off. The Rockets should never have let Paul go, but they yielded to Harden who scooted the first opportunity he got.

Morey's teams barely worked out drafted talent and let them bloom into good players too. They were mostly dumped to make the next big move with a lot of bombast only for the Rockets coming up short. Morey's greatest contribution is the acceleration of the three point shooting drive that sucked the all-round joy out of basketball and made it like a video-game when the Rockets played. It was no wonder that the fans hated the Rockets despite their high scoring. It didn't yield them much success either unlike more well rounded teams that used three point shooting as *one* major weapon in the arsenal rather than making it the only weapon. Mid-range shooting stars like Durant, Middleton, Kawhi, who also played an all round game are now very valuable as are unicorns who dominate in the paint.

The RCB era in San Antonio lasted a long time and ever since Wright has taken over, there have been mistakes galore by the front office. That has taken the sheen off RCB a bit, but RCB towers way above Morey in success and defining how teams are constructed for the long haul.

[CGD]

In some ways this case screams for being the first test case where a team say “f you” to the player.

[Leetonidas]

In some ways this case screams for being the first test case where a team say “f you” to the player.

They can say that now because it's the offseason but wait til he doesnt report to camp, or if he does and starts giving 0 effort like Harden did before Houston traded him. Them wasting a year of Embiid's prime is hurting them more than Simmons who will get paid regardless

[CGD]

They can say that now because it's the offseason but wait til he doesnt report to camp, or if he does and starts giving 0 effort like Harden did before Houston traded him. Them wasting a year of Embiid's prime is hurting them more than Simmons who will get paid regardless

Sure, buts it’s a good test case for
withholding pay. I’m sure Morey is litigious as F too.

[baseline bum]

Sure, buts it’s a good test case for
withholding pay. I’m sure Morey is litigious as F too.

They have to pay Simmons on October 1st and he wouldn't have missed anything but three days of training camp by then.

[baseline bum]

I doubt Morey will get screwed, he's too good a GM for that. Whomever is involved in the deal with Philly will lose several players and picks. I still say the spurs could be involved just not getting Simmons but maybe a a higher draft pick for T. Young or even a younger player and a 2nd. I know this has been discussed before but its usually where we get Simmons and lose half our starting lineup. In this deal we lose Young but we get a pick(s) and possibly a replacement player just not Simmons. That seems more plausible that us getting Simmons and losing part of the starting lineup and a ton of future picks.

Morey is a very experienced GM and make deals all the time unlike our front office. He'll screw someone over to get rid of problem boy Simmons. I just hope its not the spurs. :spin

Simmons is super high risk to trade good assets for. No one is going to offer Morey much to get him. Everyone looking at Simmons right now is thinking of getting him off the scrap heap for pennies on the dollar.

[MannyIsGod]

I doubt Morey will get screwed, he's too good a GM for that. Whomever is involved in the deal with Philly will lose several players and picks. I still say the spurs could be involved just not getting Simmons but maybe a a higher draft pick for T. Young or even a younger player and a 2nd. I know this has been discussed before but its usually where we get Simmons and lose half our starting lineup. In this deal we lose Young but we get a pick(s) and possibly a replacement player just not Simmons. That seems more plausible that us getting Simmons and losing part of the starting lineup and a ton of future picks.

Morey is a very experienced GM and make deals all the time unlike our front office. He'll screw someone over to get rid of problem boy Simmons. I just hope its not the spurs. :spin

The same Morey that traded away Paul for Westbrook? That same GM that is too good to get screwed?

[MannyIsGod]

If Philly wants to ensure that they don't get free agents in the future they should definitely be as punitive as possible with Simmon's pay.

[Leetonidas]

The same Morey that traded away Paul for Westbrook? That same GM that is too good to get screwed?

The same Morey that wouldn't put Simmons on the table for Houston so he could get Harden to Philly:lol dude sucks as a GM

[PhantomDashCam]

Funny comment I read on Yahoo NBA:

“With all due respect to Rudy Gobert, Simmons is far and away the best defensive player on the planet. He is the only player capable of destroying both team's offense at the same time.”

:rollin

[Seventyniner]

Funny comment I read on Yahoo NBA:

“With all due respect to Rudy Gobert, Simmons is far and away the best defensive player on the planet. He is the only player capable of destroying both team's offense at the same time.”

:rollin

That reminds me of a dig against Bob Hill, saying that he should have won DPOY because nobody else could hold the Admiral under 20 points per game (ostensibly by limiting his playing time).

Am I remembering this right?

[Fusternino]

Simmons makes a lot of money. Maybe include Young to help match salary in order to get that 1st round pick?

[Fusternino]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yeztk3cz

Apparently this works. Get the Kings to send a pick the Spurs way and we're done.

[PhantomDashCam]

That reminds me of a dig against Bob Hill, saying that he should have won DPOY because nobody else could hold the Admiral under 20 points per game (ostensibly by limiting his playing time).

Am I remembering this right?

Not too sure Seventy. It sounds plausible though.

[ismael-robert]

Simmons makes a lot of money. Maybe include Young to help match salary in order to get that 1st round pick?

Seriously? Isn't that what's on the previous 32 pages

[BatManu20]

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[Dex]

^I guess that "plan" is to lose a boatload of money and hope the Sixers lose enough games early in the season to force them to lower their trade demands.

We'll see how it works out for him.

Frankly, he's less of a distraction if he just doesn't show up. He'd be much more of a liability if he actually reports but just plays like shit or fakes an injury but pretends to stay involved (also known as "The Kawhi").

[baseline bum]

^I guess that "plan" is to lose a boatload of money and hope the Sixers lose enough games early in the season to force them to lower their trade demands.

We'll see how it works out for him.

Frankly, he's less of a distraction if he just doesn't show up. He'd be much more of a liability if he actually reports but just plays like shit or fakes an injury but pretends to stay involved (also known as "The Kawhi").

Except they'll have paid him half his salary by October 1st if they don't start lowering their trade demands to get something done soon. His plan is likely to force them to trade him in the next 9 days to get out of having to give him $16.3 million Friday after next. He really has the Sixers over a barrel. That would be pretty sweet for whatever team trades for him after October 1st if the Sixers have already paid half his salary.

[XDT76]

^I guess that "plan" is to lose a boatload of money and hope the Sixers lose enough games early in the season to force them to lower their trade demands.

We'll see how it works out for him.

Frankly, he's less of a distraction if he just doesn't show up. He'd be much more of a liability if he actually reports but just plays like shit or fakes an injury but pretends to stay involved (also known as "The Kawhi").

Yeah if he play and hold onto the ball for 8 secs and not advance the floor or just allow the player that he is guarding to have an open shot, the 6ers would have to either play him not to play or trade him.

[Dex]

Except they'll have paid him half his salary by October 1st if they don't start lowering their trade demands to get something done soon. His plan is likely to force them to trade him in the next 9 days to get out of having to give him $16.3 million Friday after next. He really has the Sixers over a barrel. That would be pretty sweet for whatever team trades for him after October 1st if the Sixers have already paid half his salary.

Didn't realize that...I thought salary was spaced out over the season?

If that's not the case...I wonder how much the Sixers can fine him per game, and when does he start losing checks?

Obviously, I am no capologist.

[BatManu20]

Think it might be a team we haven’t heard about that eventually gives up the farm for Simmons.

Kings, Blazers, and Thunder are also probable though.

[Leetonidas]

Think it might be a team we haven’t heard about that eventually gives up the farm for Simmons.

Kings, Blazers, and Thunder are also probable though.

tbh i'm surprised OKC doesnt appear overly interested because they have tons of assets they could trade for Simmons. Seems like they are more content with losing right now and stacking up guys with potential

[Teamduncan21]

Well there's an unreported small market team that is interested. So it can be okc

[baseline bum]

Didn't realize that...I thought salary was spaced out over the season?

If that's not the case...I wonder how much the Sixers can fine him per game, and when does he start losing checks?

Obviously, I am no capologist.

He negotiated an early lump sum. God does that look dumb for Philly now, guessing teams are going to stop doing this shit for anyone short of LeBron from now on. Windhorst was reporting it the other day. I wonder how they are even going to fine him when they can't withhold money from him for months. :lol

[baseline bum]

tbh i'm surprised OKC doesnt appear overly interested because they have tons of assets they could trade for Simmons. Seems like they are more content with losing right now and stacking up guys with potential

They have tons of picks. They're not going to move SGA though.

[baseline bum]

Think it might be a team we haven’t heard about that eventually gives up the farm for Simmons.

Kings, Blazers, and Thunder are also probable though.

I don't see it. You give up the farm for Harden or Durant or someone like that. For Simmons and all the holes in his game combined with the Sixers having no leverage I expect Morey to get completely hosed.

[spurs1990]

A severely flawed malcontent who was chided publicly by his coach and his franchise teammate in his last playoff game.

Yeah sure the teams are lining up for you Simmons

[Spursfanfromafar]

Except they'll have paid him half his salary by October 1st if they don't start lowering their trade demands to get something done soon. His plan is likely to force them to trade him in the next 9 days to get out of having to give him $16.3 million Friday after next. He really has the Sixers over a barrel. That would be pretty sweet for whatever team trades for him after October 1st if the Sixers have already paid half his salary.


Bobby Marks says 25% of the salary by October 1. Which is roughly $8.25 million, not as high as half, but still substantial.

[baseline bum]

Bobby Marks says 25% of the salary by October 1. Which is roughly $8.25 million, not as high as half, but still substantial.

Windhorst was reporting 50% on October 1st. Not sure who the more reliable source would be.

[manufan10]

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[Spursfanfromafar]

Windhorst was reporting 50% on October 1st. Not sure who the more reliable source would be.

In this case - cap numbers etc, it should be Bobby Marks. Windhorst is capable of a lot of "horstshit".

[cjw]

tbh i'm surprised OKC doesnt appear overly interested because they have tons of assets they could trade for Simmons. Seems like they are more content with losing right now and stacking up guys with potential

They have a bunch of picks, but a third or fourth team would need to be involved to get Philly players to pair with Embiid. They’re not going to punt a year of prime Embiid.

And OKC isn’t trading SGA. I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Simmons.

[Killakobe81]

Didn't realize that...I thought salary was spaced out over the season?

If that's not the case...I wonder how much the Sixers can fine him per game, and when does he start losing checks?

Obviously, I am no capologist.

Klutch is known for big Ballon payments in their contracts ...

[exstatic]

Think it might be a team we haven’t heard about that eventually gives up the farm for Simmons.

Kings, Blazers, and Thunder are also probable though.

Uh, Kings and Blazers are already in the mix.

[manufan10]

1440373546513887233

:lol

[exstatic]

1440373546513887233

:lol

Porzingas is worse than our offer. There would also be a fight for the ball between Ben and Luka. They’re both ball dominant.

[baseline bum]

LMAO if Philly has to take broken down Porzingis and that contract.

[mo7888]

1440373546513887233

:lol

That looks like an awful trade for both teams...

[mo7888]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32250236/sources-ben-simmons-report-done-philadelphia-76ers?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

In this article by Bobby Marks it shows a 50% payment by October 1st...

[vy65]

Windhorst was reporting 50% on October 1st. Not sure who the more reliable source would be.

Woj also reporting 50%. Also sounds like Simmons could get fined up to about half his salary, so he could not do shit and sit on about 18MM.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32250236/sources-ben-simmons-report-done-philadelphia-76ers

[mo7888]

Woj also reporting 50%. Also sounds like Simmons could get fined up to about half his salary, so he could not do shit and sit on about 18MM.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32250236/sources-ben-simmons-report-done-philadelphia-76ers

It also says Marks contributed to thst article...

[stnick2261]

tbh i'm surprised OKC doesnt appear overly interested because they have tons of assets they could trade for Simmons. Seems like they are more content with losing right now and stacking up guys with potential


They have a bunch of picks, but a third or fourth team would need to be involved to get Philly players to pair with Embiid. They’re not going to punt a year of prime Embiid.

And OKC isn’t trading SGA. I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Simmons.

I'd be happy to facilitate the trade that send Simmons to OKC if it nets us several picks in the process. I'd rather have pics than Simmons anyway. It would solve the overcrowding roster issues. It would also help narrow the direction of the team (by removing players that can't coexist on the floor together)... and probably push us towards a higher draft pick by being worse this year.

But that's just wishing out loud.

[Mr. Body]

I can't imagine giving up assets for Ben Simmons and then paying him $150 million over the next four years.

[Leetonidas]

Just wait until media day starts and reporters are asking non-stop questions about Simmons and see how quickly Doc and others get tired of it :lol i really can't believe Philly is going to try and drag this out. just cut the cord and be done already

[Leetonidas]

1440373546513887233

:lol

That sounds awful for both sides which is a rarity :lol plus why on earth would Morey want to pair the softest, most injury prone C ever with his already injury prone C? some of these proposed ideas just make absolutely no sense

[scott]

That sounds awful for both sides which is a rarity :lol plus why on earth would Morey want to pair the softest, most injury prone C ever with his already injury prone C? some of these proposed ideas just make absolutely no sense

It’s written by Tim Cowlishaw, so of course not to be taken as a legitimate basketball take lol

[TD 21]

I mean the Spurs don't have shit for talent to send out, but it's not like the Wolves are going to send anything decent out if they win the Simmons sweepstakes either. I don't see how Philly isn't getting raped in whatever deal they do between now and September 30th.

The Spurs just don't have the centerpiece needed pull off a trade of this magnitude and the irony is, if you think Murray can make a genuine offensively leap (not just ppg due to mpg and usage), then at that point it probably wouldn't be worth the hassle considering all they'd need to include.

As is, their only shot is probably a convuluted process with multiple trades, starting with Young, to get them another 1stish type asset, followed by a tricky 3 or 4 teamer involving some combination of the Cavaliers (Sexton), Pacers (Brogdon or LeVert) and Raptors (Dragic).



The wonder boy shtick is overrated too. Morey got a heist of a deal when he got Harden from Thunder, but those were circumstances driven rather than any special insight into Harden's game that only Morey had. His deal for Howard was a bad one, the way it played out. He got Paul in a good deal with the Clippers, but that was also circumstances driven and the deal for Westbrook made the Rockets worse off. The Rockets should never have let Paul go, but they yielded to Harden who scooted the first opportunity he got.

Morey's teams barely worked out drafted talent and let them bloom into good players too. They were mostly dumped to make the next big move with a lot of bombast only for the Rockets coming up short. Morey's greatest contribution is the acceleration of the three point shooting drive that sucked the all-round joy out of basketball and made it like a video-game when the Rockets played. It was no wonder that the fans hated the Rockets despite their high scoring. It didn't yield them much success either unlike more well rounded teams that used three point shooting as *one* major weapon in the arsenal rather than making it the only weapon. Mid-range shooting stars like Durant, Middleton, Kawhi, who also played an all round game are now very valuable as are unicorns who dominate in the paint.

The RCB era in San Antonio lasted a long time and ever since Wright has taken over, there have been mistakes galore by the front office. That has taken the sheen off RCB a bit, but RCB towers way above Morey in success and defining how teams are constructed for the long haul.

I can't stand Morey, but this is an inaccurate portrayal of what transpired. Signing a then star, in Howard and repeatedly going all-in with an in prime, increasingly impatient superstar, in Harden, who almost always had a co-star, were no brainers. Losing a power struggle (along with D'Antoni) to said superstar and Fertitta to make the Paul + picks for Westbrook trade, was bad luck.

Also, Wright is not the president of basketball operations.

[exstatic]

I'd be happy to facilitate the trade that send Simmons to OKC if it nets us several picks in the process. I'd rather have pics than Simmons anyway. It would solve the overcrowding roster issues. It would also help narrow the direction of the team (by removing players that can't coexist on the floor together)... and probably push us towards a higher draft pick by being worse this year.

But that's just wishing out loud.

OKC is one of the few teams that wouldn’t need a facilitator. They can literally absorb him into cap room, and send back only picks to Philly. He doesn’t seem like a fit there, though. I also doubt that Philly would let them off cheap, knowing they have like 17 FRPs stashed. Other teams in the hunt don’t have nearly those type of assets. If OKC wanted him, they’d have him by now.

[rjv]

part of me wonders if this will finally be the scenario where a franchise stands up to a player for the long haul. of course, that's a very risky route to take for philly. ultimately, it comes down to whether there is a team dumb enough to give up all that philly is asking for.

[exstatic]

part of me wonders if this will finally be the scenario where a franchise stands up to a player for the long haul. of course, that's a very risky route to take for philly. ultimately, it comes down to whether there is a team dumb enough to give up all that philly is asking for.

Morey risks becoming a leper to Klutch, and that could make him unemployable. There’s a reason teams don’t stand up to players, and that reason is pretty much doubled when it comes to Klutch.

[XDT76]

Bobby Marks says 25% of the salary by October 1. Which is roughly $8.25 million, not as high as half, but still substantial.

25% in July and 25% in Oct. 50% spread over 12 months

[The Truth #6]

If BS doesn’t show and they are better without him…? It’s possible.

[XDT76]

If BS doesn’t show and they are better without him…? It’s possible.

Then it would lower his trade value even more

[Fusternino]

Aminu wished a happy birthday on Spurs social media today. He's here to stay? Someone is getting moved and/or cut.

[8sy21vd]

Sounds like a really complex situation that is time sensitive. Can't deny Simmons' all world talent but he brings a ton of baggage and a monster salary cap number. I'd rather the Spurs somehow help facilitate the trade like the Kings' deal which was proposed earlier in this thread and come away with a likely lottery pick. If it did happen certainly two of Murray, White and Keldon would be gone without even considering draft capital. Can't see the 76ers taking Walker or even Vassell instead of three already mentioned.

[8sy21vd]

That looks like an awful trade for both teams...

After watching Porzingis in the PO against the Clippers the last two years, Hornacek was dead on with the description of his playing style :lol

[exstatic]

Sounds like a really complex situation that is time sensitive. Can't deny Simmons' all world talent but he brings a ton of baggage and a monster salary cap number. I'd rather the Spurs somehow help facilitate the trade like the Kings' deal which was proposed earlier in this thread and come away with a likely lottery pick. If it did happen certainly two of Murray, White and Keldon would be gone without even considering draft capital. Can't see the 76ers taking Walker or even Vassell instead of three already mentioned.

The only team getting a lottery pick in a multi team Simmons deal is Philly. Facilitating teams are lucky to pull a first rounder at all. Unless we take on some sort of awful contract, we won’t even get that.

Walker is from just up the road in Reading. Don’t underestimate that. DJ or white, plus Keldon, isn’t enough salary.

[tbdog]

After watching Porzingis in the PO against the Clippers the last two years, Hornacek was dead on with the description of his playing style :lol

What did he say?

[Mr. Body]

Philly eating half his salary this year may make him more tradeable. His contract is goddawful for a player of his 'caliber,' both mentally and on the court.

[baseline bum]

part of me wonders if this will finally be the scenario where a franchise stands up to a player for the long haul. of course, that's a very risky route to take for philly. ultimately, it comes down to whether there is a team dumb enough to give up all that philly is asking for.

Not likely when they'll have to pay half his salary up front before they can even start fining him.

[Drom John]

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Walker is from just up the road in Reading. Don’t underestimate that.

Mikal Bridges is from Malvern and played for Villanova. Don't overestimate Reading.

[GreekSpursfan]

Philly brought this to themselves when they tried to trade him for Harden, that was the end of that. After that Ben was just looking for an excuse to say i'm out and they gave it to him both Doc and Embiid even though they weren't wrong but they weren't thinking long term when they did it and the ramification following that. Having said all of that, Spurs, stay away from Ben Simmons pls.

[exstatic]

Mikal Bridges is from Malvern and played for Villanova. Don't overestimate Reading.

What does that have to do with anything? We’re talking about a potential trade btw Philly and the Spurs, and the poster said Lonnie wouldn’t be wanted. Box office draw is a thing.

[tonight...you]

What did he say?
He said Porzingis plays like a pussy when he was the coach, which pretty much began the divorce between Kristaps and the Knicks.

[cd021]

Philly brought this to themselves when they tried to trade him for Harden, that was the end of that. After that Ben was just looking for an excuse to say i'm out and they gave it to him both Doc and Embiid even though they weren't wrong but they weren't thinking long term when they did it and the ramification following that. Having said all of that, Spurs, stay away from Ben Simmons pls.

This can't be understated. Ben knew that he was almost gone, it literally came down before BK swooped in at the last minute. Add in everyone pilling on and the team not having his back, then openly shopping in in FA, and Simmons has no reason to do Philly any favors. He basically gave them a deadline to do what they were trying to do in the first place.

Philly couldn't have handled this more poorly.

[cd021]

part of me wonders if this will finally be the scenario where a franchise stands up to a player for the long haul. of course, that's a very risky route to take for philly. ultimately, it comes down to whether there is a team dumb enough to give up all that philly is asking for.

It's Philly's fault, how would they be standing up to a Simmons when they caused the situation?

Simmons and everyone already knows that Harden was almost traded to Philly for him, Philly alienated him further after his bad playoffs, then openly shopped him. He doesn't want to be there, but only after Philly has repeatedly tried to move him. Morey not having people skills coming back to bite him tbh.

[poopbox]

:lol at people saying this is the 76ers fault cause they tried to trade Ben for Harden. Uh, thats part of professional basketball. How about Ben shoot a fucking shot that isn't a dunk sometime ? Maybe then Philly won't try and trade you ?

:cry Oh my god they tried to trade me how can I go on playing for this franchise :cry Why are they putting so much pressure on me to shoot a basketball don't they understand the mental anguish it causes me to square up my shoulders and toss a ball in the air with both hands :cry This is unacceptable I am not even going to show up to camp I want out I want to go to a team that will let me run up and down the court fast as I can and guard the smallest guy on the other team where I can easily overwhelm him on defense with my length :cry well unless it's trae young :cry

I got a question...what is Ben going to do when he gets traded and a year from now a story comes out about how his new team is trying to get him to work on his shot in the summer? He going to ask to get traded again ?

[XDT76]

:lol at people saying this is the 76ers fault cause they tried to trade Ben for Harden. Uh, thats part of professional basketball. How about Ben shoot a fucking shot that isn't a dunk sometime ? Maybe then Philly won't try and trade you ?

:cry Oh my god they tried to trade me how can I go on playing for this franchise :cry Why are they putting so much pressure on me to shoot a basketball don't they understand the mental anguish it causes me to square up my shoulders and toss a ball in the air with both hands :cry This is unacceptable I am not even going to show up to camp I want out I want to go to a team that will let me run up and down the court fast as I can and guard the smallest guy on the other team where I can easily overwhelm him on defense with my length :cry well unless it's trae young :cry

I got a question...what is Ben going to do when he gets traded and a year from now a story comes out about how his new team is trying to get him to work on his shot in the summer? He going to ask to get traded again ?

Then it's really the new team's fault, knowing BS refuse to work with Philly for 3 summers and expect him to suddenly change.

[cd98]

:lol at people saying this is the 76ers fault cause they tried to trade Ben for Harden. Uh, thats part of professional basketball. How about Ben shoot a fucking shot that isn't a dunk sometime ? Maybe then Philly won't try and trade you ?

:cry Oh my god they tried to trade me how can I go on playing for this franchise :cry Why are they putting so much pressure on me to shoot a basketball don't they understand the mental anguish it causes me to square up my shoulders and toss a ball in the air with both hands :cry This is unacceptable I am not even going to show up to camp I want out I want to go to a team that will let me run up and down the court fast as I can and guard the smallest guy on the other team where I can easily overwhelm him on defense with my length :cry well unless it's trae young :cry

I got a question...what is Ben going to do when he gets traded and a year from now a story comes out about how his new team is trying to get him to work on his shot in the summer? He going to ask to get traded again ?

I don't think his problem is being involved in trade talks. I mean, he wants out. I think it is because Embid and Doc Rivers threw him under the bus right after playoff elimination and essentially blamed everything on him. Whether that's true or not, Sports Logic 101 says fellow players and coaches don't blame individual players for team losses. You win as a team and you lose as a team. Both Rivers and Embid broke that rule and likely did it to escape any of their own scrutiny. And it was totally unnecessary given that the media and the fans were going after Simmons anyway. But I'm sure he felt disrespected to have them put the loss solely on him.

[spurraider21]

"spurs contact pau gasol" thread from 2014 had over 150 pages :lol... 5x more than ben simmons. pretty wild lol

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236782

[Mr. Body]

I don't think his problem is being involved in trade talks. I mean, he wants out. I think it is because Embid and Doc Rivers threw him under the bus right after playoff elimination and essentially blamed everything on him. Whether that's true or not, Sports Logic 101 says fellow players and coaches don't blame individual players for team losses. You win as a team and you lose as a team. Both Rivers and Embid broke that rule and likely did it to escape any of their own scrutiny. And it was totally unnecessary given that the media and the fans were going after Simmons anyway. But I'm sure he felt disrespected to have them put the loss solely on him.

Nobody blamed everything on Simmons. He just has the internal fortitude of a rotting melon. He wants to go where he can futz around on court and not be relied on for anything.

[MultiTroll]

Both Rivers and Embid broke that rule and likely did it to escape any of their own scrutiny. And it was totally unnecessary given that the media and the fans were going after Simmons anyway. But I'm sure he felt disrespected to have them put the loss solely on him.
Rivers yes, barely. Embiid no.
Embiid was out there balling on a torn knee that was surgical.
Simmonsdashian wouldn't even attempt a dunk.
That is some serious b.s. and Embiid is only human. Whatever he said to the media was warranted.

Doc i agree should have kept it in house.
Be that as it may i rate it as 99% Simmons a pussy snowflake enabled by modern day agent like LeBron - Klutch. 1% Doc should not have said it but FFS this was immediately after a brutal playoff loss. I would also say this is much more about a scam to get Simmons to the Lakers then any genuine snowflake butthurt.

[raybies]

Nobody blamed everything on Simmons. He just has the internal fortitude of a rotting melon. He wants to go where he can futz around on court and not be relied on for anything.
gues you never have felt so bad and know you fukked up and then have the ppl who are supposed to have your back sell you out also...

you don't get it man. everyone knows he fukked up even himself.. but to have your coach and your lead running mate sell you out publicly is a no no... that shit goes against brotherhood etc.

[LCM]

With Rojas gone as decision maker in Minnesota, the interim replacing him, Gupta, has connections to Houston and 76ers on his resume. So, Morey was once his boss in Houston. Fun fact, according to ESPN, Gupta invented the trade machine used by ESPN.

Minnesota is consistently mentioned as a team to get Simmons, but a third/fourth team is going to be needed. D'Angelo Russell isn't enough, because I can't see T'Wolves parting with Edwards or KAT.

If Spurs aren't getting Simmons, then use the situation as a facilitator to get an asset that improves your team. Use pieces like Thad Young and Lonnie.

Example:
Minnesota: Simmons
Pacers: Russell, Saric, Jalen Smith
Suns: Thad Young
76ers: Brogdan, Walker, Samanic
Spurs: Turner

Of course there would be draft picks included but this is just for player movement.

Spurs would have a roster that looks like:

SL: DJM, DW, KJ, DMcD, Turner
Bench: Jones, Vassell, Aminu, Landale, Poeltl
Forbes (suck!!) Primo, KDB, Eubanks, Collins (who will move up when completely healthy)

If you can't get Simmons, stick your nose in and use the situation to get potential assets that will improve your team regardless. Sometimes the best moves are the ones not made, Spurs aren't in that kind of a position. Every possibility should be on the table to improve the personnel of this team.

[Mr. Body]

gues you never have felt so bad and know you fukked up and then have the ppl who are supposed to have your back sell you out also...

you don't get it man. everyone knows he fukked up even himself.. but to have your coach and your lead running mate sell you out publicly is a no no... that shit goes against brotherhood etc.

I've never been paid $30 million a season to play basketball. But I have been a fucking adult, taken criticism, and made sure I pulled my weight. No one sold this clown out. He's just a Klutch baby.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I've never been paid $30 million a season to play basketball. But I have been a fucking adult, taken criticism, and made sure I pulled my weight. No one sold this clown out. He's just a Klutch baby.

It says a lot about a person who signs a huge contract and refuses to honor it. Nephew move. The team has to pay if he gets injured or underperforms. Your boss gets to throw you under the bus if your screw up. I disagree with doing it publicly, but it happens thousands of times every day. If you want the option to pick your own team each year sign a 1 year deal and accept the risks.

[exstatic]

It says a lot about a person who signs a huge contract and refuses to honor it. Nephew move. The team has to pay if he gets injured or underperforms. Your boss gets to throw you under the bus if your screw up. I disagree with doing it publicly, but it happens thousands of times every day. If you want the option to pick your own team each year sign a 1 year deal and accept the risks.

You’re comparing the NBA to the real world. Things don’t work that way. It’s a players league, and has been for quite some time. They call the shots and go where they want. It all started with The Decision, and has picked up speed and momentum, since. Teams understand that. Most fans don’t.

[Mr. Body]

gues you never have felt so bad and know you fukked up and then have the ppl who are supposed to have your back sell you out also...

you don't get it man. everyone knows he fukked up even himself.. but to have your coach and your lead running mate sell you out publicly is a no no... that shit goes against brotherhood etc.

This is pathetic. Ben Simmons is a grown man. He's not a five year-old.

[Mr. Body]

You’re comparing the NBA to the real world. Things don’t work that way. It’s a players league, and has been for quite some time. They call the shots and go where they want. It all started with The Decision, and has picked up speed and momentum, since. Teams understand that. Most fans don’t.

Yeah, and this is why Simmons fucked up because he's not going to go where he wants because no one wants him, only the worst franchise in NBA history in Minnesota. Maybe he just wants to fuck around there and lose game after game for the next four years. I guess that makes him a winner?

[The Truth #6]

It’s unlikely Morey can drag this out too long. But I can at least hope that Klutch somehow gets blemished in this process. More power to Klutch only screws fans over in my opinion.

[baseline bum]

You’re comparing the NBA to the real world. Things don’t work that way. It’s a players league, and has been for quite some time. They call the shots and go where they want. It all started with The Decision, and has picked up speed and momentum, since. Teams understand that. Most fans don’t.

No way you can blame LeBron for this. James never forced his way out. He honored his contract, played his ass off for the Cavs, and rightfully left when his contract was up after they couldn't put a team around him. Leonard is the one who started this bullshit by refusing to play and forcing his way out while under contract for huge money. It's disgusting to see with Leonard, Davis, George, Harden, and now Simmons, but at the same time I'm loving seeing a big market glamor team get fucked by it after they had been using the small markets as farm teams ever since Leonard's faggotry. I want to see the Sixers burned to the ground by this the same way the Spurs, Pelicans, Thunder, and Rockets have been with the hope we can get a CBA that gets rid of this shit where contracts lock teams into paying underperforming players but don't bind guys who are worth the money with this perpetual free agency the league has had ever since Leonard started being a bitch. Burn the Sixers down, fuck the NBA until they get this under control.

[vy65]

No way you can blame LeBron for this. James never forced his way out. He honored his contract, played his ass off for the Cavs, and rightfully left when his contract was up after they couldn't put a team around him. Leonard is the one who started this bullshit by refusing to play and forcing his way out while under contract for huge money. It's disgusting to see with Leonard, Davis, George, Harden, and now Simmons, but at the same time I'm loving seeing a big market glamor team get fucked by it after they had been using the small markets as farm teams ever since Leonard's faggotry. I want to see the Sixers burned to the ground by this the same way the Spurs, Pelicans, Thunder, and Rockets have been with the hope we can get a CBA that gets rid of this shit where contracts lock teams into paying underperforming players but don't bind guys who are worth the money with this perpetual free agency the league has had ever since Leonard started being a bitch. Burn the Sixers down, fuck the NBA until they get this under control.

Bombs. Empowerment cuts both ways; there's no talk off "team empowerment" where you get stuck with a Kemba Walker or Nico Batum. If they want to go this way, contracts should be non-guaranteed year or even month long obligations.

[cd98]

No way you can blame LeBron for this. James never forced his way out. He honored his contract, played his ass off for the Cavs, and rightfully left when his contract was up after they couldn't put a team around him. Leonard is the one who started this bullshit by refusing to play and forcing his way out while under contract for huge money. It's disgusting to see with Leonard, Davis, George, Harden, and now Simmons, but at the same time I'm loving seeing a big market glamor team get fucked by it after they had been using the small markets as farm teams ever since Leonard's faggotry. I want to see the Sixers burned to the ground by this the same way the Spurs, Pelicans, Thunder, and Rockets have been with the hope we can get a CBA that gets rid of this shit where contracts lock teams into paying underperforming players but don't bind guys who are worth the money with this perpetual free agency the league has had ever since Leonard started being a bitch. Burn the Sixers down, fuck the NBA until they get this under control.

While I think Simmons has a right to be mad at the franchise, I do agree that it is problematic for players with contracts to refuse to play and publicly demand trades because it hurts the people that invested in the player with a high dollar contract. It's bad enough when a player does it with two years on his contract, like Kawhi did. I mean, if you do it in your contract year, then it is what it is and as a player, you do have a lot of power in that scenario. But a 4+ year contract? Most teams think they have the player locked in. That's why they agree to pay them big money over 4-5 years. If a player can force his way out in that scenario, then agreeing to a max contract with a player means nothing about player commitment to the team and how can a team use that as a building block when the player can demand out a few months after signing the huge contract and no lose a penny?

[Killakobe81]

Bombs. Empowerment cuts both ways; there's no talk off "team empowerment" where you get stuck with a Kemba Walker or Nico Batum. If they want to go this way, contracts should be non-guaranteed year or even month long obligations.

On this we agree even if Davis pulling this shit benefits the Lakers not a fan of this shit.

[baseline bum]

Bombs. Empowerment cuts both ways; there's no talk off "team empowerment" where you get stuck with a Kemba Walker or Nico Batum. If they want to go this way, contracts should be non-guaranteed year or even month long obligations.

Yeah imagine the outrage if the Rockets went Team Empowerment and said they were refusing to pay John Wall and he can go sign somewhere else for whatever his new team will pay him.

[exstatic]

No way you can blame LeBron for this. James never forced his way out. He honored his contract, played his ass off for the Cavs, and rightfully left when his contract was up after they couldn't put a team around him. Leonard is the one who started this bullshit by refusing to play and forcing his way out while under contract for huge money. It's disgusting to see with Leonard, Davis, George, Harden, and now Simmons, but at the same time I'm loving seeing a big market glamor team get fucked by it after they had been using the small markets as farm teams ever since Leonard's faggotry. I want to see the Sixers burned to the ground by this the same way the Spurs, Pelicans, Thunder, and Rockets have been with the hope we can get a CBA that gets rid of this shit where contracts lock teams into paying underperforming players but don't bind guys who are worth the money with this perpetual free agency the league has had ever since Leonard started being a bitch. Burn the Sixers down, fuck the NBA until they get this under control.

LeBron opened the door by being the first monumental FA to change teams in 14 years, since Shaq. He played by the rules, but got where he wanted, and brought his friends with him. Other players saw that, wanted n on the action, and skipped a few steps, like waiting for free agency, but the progression was inevitable.

[TD 21]

No way you can blame LeBron for this. James never forced his way out. He honored his contract, played his ass off for the Cavs, and rightfully left when his contract was up after they couldn't put a team around him. Leonard is the one who started this bullshit by refusing to play and forcing his way out while under contract for huge money. It's disgusting to see with Leonard, Davis, George, Harden, and now Simmons, but at the same time I'm loving seeing a big market glamor team get fucked by it after they had been using the small markets as farm teams ever since Leonard's faggotry. I want to see the Sixers burned to the ground by this the same way the Spurs, Pelicans, Thunder, and Rockets have been with the hope we can get a CBA that gets rid of this shit where contracts lock teams into paying underperforming players but don't bind guys who are worth the money with this perpetual free agency the league has had ever since Leonard started being a bitch. Burn the Sixers down, fuck the NBA until they get this under control.

I also blame Silver and the Spurs for being more concerned with upholding their reputations than doing the right thing.

As an aside, I'm tired of the agenda driven national media attempting to protect these divas with this foolish notion that they're just evening the playing field because teams can trade them at any time without warning or reason. That doesn't apply to 99% of the elite (the only exception in recent memory was when the Bulls decided against offering Butler the supermax), who are the ones in question and are catered to.

They have a right to request a trade for whatever reason(s), but it's imperative the incumbents are able to maximize return.

[baseline bum]

LeBron opened the door by being the first monumental FA to change teams in 14 years, since Shaq. He played by the rules, but got where he wanted, and brought his friends with him. Other players saw that, wanted n on the action, and skipped a few steps, like waiting for free agency, but the progression was inevitable.

No way, might as well blame every free agent who ever left a team then. Miami was going nowhere after Shaq got old so they smartly set themselves up to have two max slots. Can't hold Riley being smart and the Cavs GM being stupid against LeBron.

[The Truth #6]

^ But wasn’t Lebron the GM in Cleveland?

[manufan10]

I also blame Silver and the Spurs for being more concerned with upholding their reputations than doing the right thing.

As an aside, I'm tired of the agenda driven national media attempting to protect these divas with this foolish notion that they're just evening the playing field because teams can trade them at any time without warning or reason. That doesn't apply to 99% of the elite (the only exception in recent memory was when the Bulls decided against offering Butler the supermax), who are the ones in question and are catered to.

They have a right to request a trade for whatever reason(s), but it's imperative the incumbents are able to maximize return.

This. They allowed Nephew to sit out an entire season without any repercussions. The Spurs even allowed the media to slander them by saying it was their fault and a misdiagnosis that caused the wedge. They should have been fined him or suspended him or they could have even ruled him out for the season. Instead they kowtowed to Nephew's every demand, and got the short end of the stick because of it.

[Chinook]

So the Spurs shouldn't've done any of that spiteful shit. It would've been good for fan catharsis, but it that's it. Rather, the Spurs should've traded his ass the moment he started pulling this shit like the Jazz did with Williams. Yes, Leonard's antics depressed his value, but it was closer to true in the previous off-season when Kawhi first wanted out. Obviously, you live and learn, and it makes sense that SA tried to make it work. But if the team could get a time machine and go back, they should've taken offers like Tatum-plus that Boston was "reportedly" offering before they lowered their offer to Brown and the SAC pick. Or hell, trade him to LA before doing so became a potential PR nightmare.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs' tendency to keep everything in house bit them in the ass with Neph. Their reputation still isn't great because of how the Kawhi-aligned media propped him up. ESPN desperately wanted him in LA and detested SA for not immediately sending him there. The Spurs should have told their side of the story. It's like Obama -- go high when they go low. No, fucking obliterate the motherfuckers. Or at least don't be a placid automaton. Tell your side.

[The Truth #6]

^ Or you have surrogates say it for you. Not that it happened much other than Bowen trying and getting punished.

[DMC]

Simmons is a sweepstakes?

Isn't that like a sweepstakes to see who gets to adopt the autistic kid?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

All the suggested Simmons' trades circulating are cracking me up. Simmons for Levine is the latest one I've heard.

For some reason the media keeps suggesting that Philadelphia is somehow going to get better with whatever trade happens. I personally don't see how they get equal or better value. Simmons has fvcked them the same way Kawhi bent over the Spurs' FO.

[John B]

All the suggested Simmons' trades circulating are cracking me up. Simmons for Levine is the latest one I've heard.

For some reason the media keeps suggesting that Philadelphia is somehow going to get better with whatever trade happens. I personally don't see how they get equal or better value. Simmons has fvcked them the same way Kawhi bent over the Spurs' FO.

I don’t know, but DJ + Young could really help the Sixers. DJ is a long and an All-NBA quality defensive guard. He doesn’t need to be overly creative with Embiid, and who can shoot the ball. While Young is a very good glue guy who can hit shots and defend. Spurs offer (if they’re making this offer), plus fillers and picks, actually is very competitive.

[baseline bum]

I don’t know, but DJ + Young could really help the Sixers. DJ is a long and an All-NBA quality defensive guard. He doesn’t need to be overly creative with Embiid, and who can shoot the ball. While Young is a very good glue guy who can hit shots and defend. Spurs offer (if they’re making this offer), plus fillers and picks, actually is very competitive.

I don't want picks offered if they're getting Young. They can have the Chicago pick if they're getting Dejounte and Young and that's it other than cap filler like Aminu.

[tbdog]

All the suggested Simmons' trades circulating are cracking me up. Simmons for Levine is the latest one I've heard.

For some reason the media keeps suggesting that Philadelphia is somehow going to get better with whatever trade happens. I personally don't see how they get equal or better value. Simmons has fvcked them the same way Kawhi bent over the Spurs' FO.

Yeah. And Simmons just does not fit even slightly with the current Bulls. The reason why it's a rumour was because Lavine hasn't signed an extension. He also made comments like 'I want respect'. Eg, he wants a max.

[mo7888]

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/matisse-thybulle-feels-ben-simmons-was-thrown-under-the-bus-by-76ers

[Mr. Body]

All the suggested Simmons' trades circulating are cracking me up. Simmons for Levine is the latest one I've heard.

For some reason the media keeps suggesting that Philadelphia is somehow going to get better with whatever trade happens. I personally don't see how they get equal or better value. Simmons has fvcked them the same way Kawhi bent over the Spurs' FO.

The major media arms are doing Klutch's bidding. There has been little to no market for Simmons through this entire charade, yet they're coming up with preposterous shit in order to make it seem like he's desired. It's absurd.

[Chinook]

The whole narrative that Klutch is leaking trade ideas is so ill-conceived. They want Simmons traded, but it's not in their interest if he's traded for a lot. If they're leaking, it'd be things to make Philly look bad and to create sympathy for Simmons wanting out. Leonard's group leaked all kinds of shit about the Spurs, but they never got accused to leaking trade ideas. Why? Because it didn't make sense. The leaks, in so far as they were from primary sources, came from teams trying to strengthen their position/negotiating through the media. It makes WAY more sense to assume that Philly is leaking bad offers and other teams are leaking okay offers, since it's in Philly's best interest at this point to paint the narrative that they're only being offered crap and in the interest of the other teams to create pressure for Philly to get off their asking price to take the "reasonable offers" being made. But Klutch? They have nothing to do with that.

[mo7888]

I think leaks like the article I posted above are from Klutch. It's paints Philly in a bad light. Klutch wants Simmons in a place that can build around him (their focus is on the next contract). That means they don't want to increase his value so the team acquiring him has to gut their assets to get him. That's a recipe for failure and doesn't make the most money in the long haul.

[lmbebo]

Article that Simmons rejecting teammates to coming out to visit him to try and convince him to report (theathletic).

guessing 76ers will pay him, but then fine him to recoup losses if he doesn't report before 1st game of season.

[baseline bum]

Article that Simmons rejecting teammates to coming out to visit him to try and convince him to report (theathletic).

guessing 76ers will pay him, but then fine him to recoup losses if he doesn't report before 1st game of season.

Guessing they'll trade him for pennies on the dollar rather than pay him half his salary upfront next Friday. Otherwise they'd only be able to take money from him if he's still on the team halfway into the season. Not like Simmons is going to pay their fines out of his own cash.

[Mr. Body]

The whole narrative that Klutch is leaking trade ideas is so ill-conceived. They want Simmons traded, but it's not in their interest if he's traded for a lot. If they're leaking, it'd be things to make Philly look bad and to create sympathy for Simmons wanting out. Leonard's group leaked all kinds of shit about the Spurs, but they never got accused to leaking trade ideas. Why? Because it didn't make sense. The leaks, in so far as they were from primary sources, came from teams trying to strengthen their position/negotiating through the media. It makes WAY more sense to assume that Philly is leaking bad offers and other teams are leaking okay offers, since it's in Philly's best interest at this point to paint the narrative that they're only being offered crap and in the interest of the other teams to create pressure for Philly to get off their asking price to take the "reasonable offers" being made. But Klutch? They have nothing to do with that.

Klutch wants him traded and traded to where he wants. They're failing in the second regard because he's a complete fuck up who you can't play in the fourth and has never improved because he's a lazy asshole. They, with the happy help of ESPN and other craven media arms, are trying to create a market for him by claiming these big trades are not only possible but what teams want. When anyone paying attention know there's nothing there for him. He's going to Minnesota or maybe Sacramento.

It's an embarrassing display by these media dickheads.

[Chinook]

Wait, WTF happened to Base that got him banned?

[RD2191]

Free muh nigga Bum tbh

[tbdog]

https://twitter.com/ChrisJHoops/status/1441836356603236358?s=19

https://twitter.com/ChrisJHoops/status/1441836356603236358?s=19

[spurraider21]

Wait, WTF happened to Base that got him banned?
spammed nba forum with threads

[Ef-man]

spammed nba forum with threads

Spammed nba forum as nothing was done to derp for spamming nba forum with boatload of “All inclusive” threads.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Free muh nigga Bum tbh



TBH, bringing down the NBA forum like that was pretty damn funny. I can think of a lot of idiots I'd ban before banning BB for that prank.

Doesn't he have a right to a fair trial?

[exstatic]

Free OG bb!

[spurraider21]

Spammed nba forum as nothing was done to derp for spamming nba forum with boatload of “All inclusive” threads.
Derp should have been ip banned or pinked a long time ago

[LaMarcus Bryant]

TBH, bringing down the NBA forum like that was pretty damn funny. I can think of a lot of idiots I'd ban before banning BB for that prank.

Doesn't he have a right to a fair trial?

The autistic asshole who made the finals game thread unreadable was way worst than anything like that.
Free BB

[Chillen]

76ers can drag this out if they want to but they are not getting anything near equal value in return for him. They should make a trade that makes the most sense for the future of their franchise. They are not going to get a star for a star unless Bulls offer them Lavine. They need to focus on future 1st rounders and quality talent to surround Joel. He doesn't want to be there if they drag this out it things will get messier for them.

[exstatic]

76ers can drag this out if they want to but they are not getting anything near equal value in return for him. They should make a trade that makes the most sense for the future of their franchise. They are not going to get a star for a star unless Bulls offer them Lavine. They need to focus on future 1st rounders and quality talent to surround Joel. He doesn't want to be there if they drag this out it things will get messier for them.

Camps start on Tuesday. I expect this to drag out until late Monday.

[Spurs9]

When Simmons finally does get moved it will probably be a big multi team deal.

[R. DeMurre]

https://twitter.com/ChrisJHoops/status/1441836356603236358?s=19

https://twitter.com/ChrisJHoops/status/1441836356603236358?s=19


Simmons still attacks the basket mostly with his right hand and shoots with his left. He says he is ambidextrous, but why would he almost always use his right hand for dunks & lay ups and then switch back to his left for his usually poor jump shots? There was a lot of talk (some of it from him) about trying to shoot more with his right hand, but this video unfortunately doesn't show any evidence of it.

[exstatic]

Simmons still attacks the basket mostly with his right hand and shoots with his left. He says he is ambidextrous, but why would he almost always use his right hand for dunks & lay ups and then switch back to his left for his usually poor jump shots? There was a lot of talk (some of it from him) about trying to shoot more with his right hand, but this video unfortunately doesn't show any evidence of it.

His dad thought shooting lefty would make him a tougher guard, so he converted him at some point in his youth. He’s a natural righty.

[azarel]

His dad thought shooting lefty would make him a tougher guard, so he converted him at some point in his youth. He’s a natural righty.

that sounds like his dad killed his jumpshot lol

[Spursfanfromafar]

His dad thought shooting lefty would make him a tougher guard, so he converted him at some point in his youth. He’s a natural righty.

The dude is too stubborn to do a Tristan Thompson at this stage. Those who wish him well will hope that he overcomes his mental barrier when it comes to jump shooting. I guess the only way to improve is through volume shooting in practice and in the off season. And having the mental fortitude to use that skill in real game situations. For now from what we have heard, he hasn't shown the need to improve in practice or the mental strength to overcome his jump shooting shyness in real games. Let's see ..he is still very young and far from his peak and has an A+ game otherwise. So there is a lot of optimism.

[lefty20]

His dad thought shooting lefty would make him a tougher guard, so he converted him at some point in his youth. He’s a natural righty.

What an idiot.

Sounds like he tried to copy Uncle Toni, tbh

[John B]

Camps start on Tuesday. I expect this to drag out until late Monday.

I’m hoping this concludes today.

[Ignazzz]

Denver Nuggets... not bad place for Ben

[mo7888]

I'm just ready to see BS moved...here or anywhere. It feels like its holding up smaller moves while we are waiting for this thing to conclude.

[Ocotillo]

I'm just ready to see BS moved...here or anywhere. It feels like its holding up smaller moves while we are waiting for this thing to conclude.

Yeah, exactly. I would think potential Spurs moves are being delayed because of this, not because the Spurs are going to bring in Ben Simmons but because other teams are taking a wait and see what shakes out approach. We still have to lose two guys off the roster.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/cuffsthelegend/status/1442247465822928898?s=21

[tbdog]

Yeah, exactly. I would think potential Spurs moves are being delayed because of this, not because the Spurs are going to bring in Ben Simmons but because other teams are taking a wait and see what shakes out approach. We still have to lose two guys off the roster.

I don't think any deal gets made after the 1st, once simmons has half his salary.

[Em-City]

His dad thought shooting lefty would make him a tougher guard, so he converted him at some point in his youth. He’s a natural righty.
His dad was a beast power forward, but definitely not the guy who should be giving shooting advice.

The opposite hand thing works in the post for hook shots turnarounds etc but can't be at the expense of jump shooting.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://twitter.com/cuffsthelegend/status/1442247465822928898?s=21

When I mentioned the Wall for Simmons idea, BB said it won't happen. But I still wouldn't be shocked if this somehow goes down. No one wants to deal for either of these guys, and I don't think either team wants to throw away the '21-'22 season completely. They might be each others only trading partners.

[pookenstein]

The Spurs talked with the Philadelphia 76ers (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-76ers) about Ben Simmons (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907387/ben-simmons), but those talks have not gotten far, sources said. They sniffed around intriguing young free agents -- including Lauri Markkanen (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066336/lauri-markkanen) and John Collins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3908845/john-collins), sources said -- but snared neither.
...
The Spurs have the means to trade for stars: all their future first-round picks, a bundle of extra draft assets, and good players on movable contracts. But dealing a bunch of stuff for some star with one or two years left on his deal is an enormous risk without ironclad assurances.
That's why Simmons -- with four years left on his contract -- is a logical target despite his finicky fit. It's unclear if the Spurs really want to re-engage Philadelphia, or if they have enough to trade without tossing in so many draft picks as to imperil the future.

Full story (nothing more on Simmons though):
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32299872/lowe-where-gregg-popovich-san-antonio-spurs-go-here

[cd98]

I think 76ers are doing the only thing they can do...make Simmons wait it out and start getting him fined for not playing. He's got like 4 years left on his deal. They can fine him for not showing up and he risks losing $30 million if he doesn't play this year. The franchise takes a hit with players that resent that the franchise is taking power from players, but they accept that risk and delay, delay, delay. Simmons may miss a few weeks, but he won't take more than that before he comes back. Then it is a matter of how he will react. His choices are really 4: (1) comeback, establish his value, and start a bidding war to get him; (2) intentionally play bad a la Carter and Hardin and he gets a paycheck, but is so much a headache that the team looks for trades, but will again be lowballed; (3) comeback, fake an injury or get some kind of an injury, and then sit as long as he wants complaining of pain until he is traded; and (4) comes back, forgiveness abounds in the lockerroom and he decides he still likes his teammates and he decides to stay (at which point Morey will again immediately look to trade him).

[exstatic]

I think 76ers are doing the only thing they can do...make Simmons wait it out and start getting him fined for not playing. He's got like 4 years left on his deal. They can fine him for not showing up and he risks losing $30 million if he doesn't play this year. The franchise takes a hit with players that resent that the franchise is taking power from players, but they accept that risk and delay, delay, delay. Simmons may miss a few weeks, but he won't take more than that before he comes back. Then it is a matter of how he will react. His choices are really 4: (1) comeback, establish his value, and start a bidding war to get him; (2) intentionally play bad a la Carter and Hardin and he gets a paycheck, but is so much a headache that the team looks for trades, but will again be lowballed; (3) comeback, fake an injury or get some kind of an injury, and then sit as long as he wants complaining of pain until he is traded; and (4) comes back, forgiveness abounds in the lockerroom and he decides he still likes his teammates and he decides to stay (at which point Morey will again immediately look to trade him).

None of that increases his value, not even playing. They want him to come back, and decide to stay. Not happening.

[Chucho]

Wall's stats from last season aren't too far off from Simmon's numbers. He scores a little more, Simmons grabbed more boards.

At this point, with Philly just really needing those numbers filled to get to where they were last season, why wouldn't they take that deal? Sure, there's about a $20 mil difference between their salaries the next two years, but you'd think that something is better than nothing right now. Is Wall being made of sugar glass that big of a deal for a super desperate team?

[exstatic]

Wall's stats from last season aren't too far off from Simmon's numbers. He scores a little more, Simmons grabbed more boards.

At this point, with Philly just really needing those numbers filled to get to where they were last season, why wouldn't they take that deal? Sure, there's about a $20 mil difference between their salaries the next two years, but you'd think that something is better than nothing right now. Is Wall being made of sugar glass that big of a deal for a super desperate team?
Yes. Glass makeup of the only asset in the deal is a big fucking deal. Shit, our alleged offer runs circles around that.

At this point in his career, Wall is someone I would only accept with big assets attached. He doesn’t help you win, and his advanced numbers are awful.

[Mr. Body]

Wall is so bad I'd actually take Ben Simmons over him.

[Chillen]

None of that increases his value, not even playing. They want him to come back, and decide to stay. Not happening.

Yeah I see this dragging out till the start of the season and if he doesn't play they will trade him. I don't think they really want to trade him but they are definitely lowering his value especially if they drag this out to him sitting out and not playing. This is more about the 76ers not giving in to him and not wanting to trade him. He doesn't want to be there anymore and his behavior is highly unprofessional so this is going to get ugly for 76ers. I would be surprised if he shows up and plays for them.

[cd98]

Wall is so bad I'd actually take Ben Simmons over him.

I think Wall is still a good player, but the problem is his salary. You can't blame him for taking advantage of the rules, but hardly anyone can live up to the supermax.

[exstatic]

I think Wall is still a good player, but the problem is his salary. You can't blame him for taking advantage of the rules, but hardly anyone can live up to the supermax.

He’s not, he’s really, really not. His win shares were NEGATIVE last year.

Derrick White, Thad, and Aminu as salary filler brings more wins for Philly than Wall.

[duncan2k5]

that sounds like his dad killed his jumpshot lol

Nah... Not buying it... He seems like a natural beta... Because he wasn't even aggressive when it came to attacking the basket in must-win playoff games... To the point where he didn't wanna take a wide open dunk... His fear of jumpshooting is his own doing

[BatManu20]

The Spurs at least reached out and talked to the 76ers about a Simmons trade, but that didn’t get very far, reports Zach Lowe at ESPN. (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32299872/lowe-where-gregg-popovich-san-antonio-spurs-go-here)



The Spurs talked with the Philadelphia 76ers about Ben Simmons, but those talks have not gotten far, sources said.




Interestingly, Lowe also reports the Spurs kicked the tires on possible deals for Lauri Markkanen and John Collins, but neither of those came together, either.


The Spurs are rebuilding and looking for their next star player, and while they have a lineup of good players they drafted — Dejounte Murray, Keldon Johnson, Lonnie Walker IV, Derrick White — there is no talent of Simmons caliber among them. San Antonio was right to look around, but with what Daryl Morey was asking for in a trade, the Spurs were right to stay away.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/29/ben-simmons-latest-he-wants-offense-built-around-him-spurs-got-nowhere-near-trade/amp/

[exstatic]

The Spurs at least reached out and talked to the 76ers about a Simmons trade, but that didn’t get very far, reports Zach Lowe at ESPN. (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32299872/lowe-where-gregg-popovich-san-antonio-spurs-go-here)







Interestingly, Lowe also reports the Spurs kicked the tires on possible deals for Lauri Markkanen and John Collins, but neither of those came together, either.


The Spurs are rebuilding and looking for their next star player, and while they have a lineup of good players they drafted — Dejounte Murray, Keldon Johnson, Lonnie Walker IV, Derrick White — there is no talent of Simmons caliber among them. San Antonio was right to look around, but with what Daryl Morey was asking for in a trade, the Spurs were right to stay away.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/29/ben-simmons-latest-he-wants-offense-built-around-him-spurs-got-nowhere-near-trade/amp/

The Markkanen talks were probably an earlier phase of the DeRozan trade, but my guess would be that it was either Markkanen OR Thad + FRP.

[John B]

Yeah I see this dragging out till the start of the season and if he doesn't play they will trade him. I don't think they really want to trade him but they are definitely lowering his value especially if they drag this out to him sitting out and not playing. This is more about the 76ers not giving in to him and not wanting to trade him. He doesn't want to be there anymore and his behavior is highly unprofessional so this is going to get ugly for 76ers. I would be surprised if he shows up and plays for them.

From what I gather from here, Philly will pay 50% of this year salary starting tomorrow, and start fining Simmons for not attending practice, etc. How soon does the NBA step in? While Simmons could come and just play horribly like what Harden did. This is just not going to end good for Philly with their focus should be getting Embiid and the rest of the team ready on a positive note.

[mo7888]

From what I gather from here, Philly will pay 50% of this year salary starting tomorrow, and start fining Simmons for not attending practice, etc. How soon does the NBA step in? While Simmons could come and just play horribly like what Harden did. This is just not going to end good for Philly with their focus should be getting Embiid and the rest of the team ready on a positive note.

I still think Philly is screwed here.... Morey could be hard headed and stretch it out a while longer but the longer he does he's only hurting his team at this point.

[XDT76]

Nah... Not buying it... He seems like a natural beta... Because he wasn't even aggressive when it came to attacking the basket in must-win playoff games... To the point where he didn't wanna take a wide open dunk... His fear of jumpshooting is his own doing

His mental weakness is the biggest reason why i do not want him here, especially with his salary. None of the all time great shy away from a challenge.

[XDT76]

From what I gather from here, Philly will pay 50% of this year salary starting tomorrow, and start fining Simmons for not attending practice, etc. How soon does the NBA step in? While Simmons could come and just play horribly like what Harden did. This is just not going to end good for Philly with their focus should be getting Embiid and the rest of the team ready on a positive note.

Him staying away from the team is actually better for Philly. Being forced to be presence could be disruptive for the team and make the team lose winnable games.

[LeBowen]

Him staying away from the team is actually better for Philly. Being forced to be presence could be disruptive for the team and make the team lose winnable games.


No matter which way you look at it, it's a lose-lose situation for them.

They had all the patience in the world. Instead of being grateful for that, Simmons took advantage and never improved.
Why would he when he got a huge deal without showing any signs of improvement?

If Sixers were a treadmill team, they'd probably make a statement and make him sit out at least this season.

But they have Embiid who's not going to wait forever.
Tobias is 29 and on a max deal. Danny is 34, Seth is 31. Definition of a win-now team.

They don't have the luxury to wait and see how things unfold. Every day without a solution is a bad day for them because Simmons' value keeps tanking.
Simmons doesn't look like a player who particularly cares about his situation. He's a self-proclaimed "young socialite" who'd rather rack up DNPs in LA than play in Minnesota (or San Antonio for that matter).

Sixers aren't good enough without some more legit rotation pieces, but their window for a good trade is long gone by now.
They'll get fleeced, much like we did when nephew fucked us over. Lose-lose situation, as I already said.

[Seventyniner]

Him staying away from the team is actually better for Philly. Being forced to be presence could be disruptive for the team and make the team lose winnable games.

Imagine if he has to show up for team photos.

:depressed:depressed:depressed

[baseline bum]

I'm fucking floored Philly seems to be willing to go down with the ship to spite him. Either way it's entertaining to watch though. Whoever trades for Simmons is going to get him half price for this year. :lol

[baseline bum]

LOL about 4 1/2 hours until Philly has to dump $16.3 million into Little Ben's bank account. Can't believe they haven't traded his ass yet.

[dokdok]

I hope something happens in the next 4 hours then. I don't mind if its the Spurs getting involved as well.

[Mr. Body]

LOL about 4 1/2 hours until Philly has to dump $16.3 million into Little Ben's bank account. Can't believe they haven't traded his ass yet.

Why are people continually wrong about this? He was paid 1/4th in July. Tomorrow he gets paid another 1/4, not half.

[baseline bum]

Why are people continually wrong about this? He was paid 1/4th in July. Tomorrow he gets paid another 1/4, not half.

OK, amend it to LOL about 4 1/2 hours until Philly has had to dump $16.3 million into Little Ben's bank account. Can't believe they haven't traded his ass yet.

[Dverde]

Will Simmons get the loudest boos ever in the NBA when he plays in Philly as a visitor? Philly is famous for it

[tbdog]

OK, amend it to LOL about 4 1/2 hours until Philly has had to dump $16.3 million into Little Ben's bank account. Can't believe they haven't traded his ass yet.

Think of the other owners. Why would they want to pay him thst money. They can trade for him a day later and save 14mil.

[Truckules]

Think of the other owners. Why would they want to pay him thst money. They can trade for him a day later and save 14mil.

I believe salary is prorated per game when trading so it doesn't really matter.

[baseline bum]

I believe salary is prorated per game when trading so it doesn't really matter.

So whoever trades for him cuts the Sixers a check if it's less than halfway through the season? Don't see that happening.

[The Truth #6]

No to oversimplify, but is Morey great at numbers and horrible with people? They wasted so much time to repair the situation.

[exstatic]

No to oversimplify, but is Morey great at numbers and horrible with people? They wasted so much time to repair the situation.

He’s a commodity trader. I don’t think he even acknowledges that the components of his roster are, in fact, people.

[gambit1990]

spurs are tied for 4th for best odds to land ben, per BetMGM.

[manufan10]

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From RealGM so take it for what it's worth. For now.

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[baseline bum]

ROFL awesome

[SpurSpike]

So now Simmons is saying he is injured? Lol

[Robz4000]

:lol this whole situation

[Robz4000]

ROFL awesome

Glad to see you back my dude :toast

[mo7888]

This saga gets more entertaining by the day...lol

[itzsoweezee]

There’s zero chance Simmons shows up in Philadelphia. Dude does not have the balls.

[Seventyniner]

So now Simmons is saying he is injured? Lol

Time to doctor-shop until one agrees.

[John B]

So Sixers are not trading him and forcing him to play? Simmons could just showup and do a Harden. I don’t knows what gives. Sixers cannot find the suitable offer?

[Mr. Body]

So Sixers are not trading him and forcing him to play? Simmons could just showup and do a Harden. I don’t knows what gives. Sixers cannot find the suitable offer?

Jesus Christ, how many times does this have to be said? No one wants this fuckup. I still can't believe people wasted weeks of their lives in this forum coming up with scenarios trading Spurs players. Good fucking Lord.

[buttsR4rebounding]

What are the ramifications under the CBA? Not that he would ever walk away from his current contract, but could Simmons void the contract for the breach? I have no idea and I am sure the Sixers explored all of this in detail. Even though Morey is a jerk and I think this more likely hurts the Sixers in the long run, I love that someone in the NBA has a set.

[superbigtime]

This guy is not even a beta. He is a gamma.

[Spursfanfromafar]

There are some who will see that the Spurs caved into Kawhi's demands and traded his ass for peanuts while the Sixers are playing hardball. I guess thats the difference between the cut-throat-numbers-only-matter attitude of a Daryl Morey vs the lets-set-a-team-building-culture as the key even as we get the right talent to win attitude of a PATFO. PATFO's time was up and they couldnt' continue the dream run into a third decade, but they have still got youngsters buying into hard work and skill development and I guess, the Spurs are also turning in a profit. The Sixers on the other hand, blatantly tanked to buy top end talent in the draft, playing miserable basketball and burning money in the process and then got so many Top 5 picks that it will take colossal mismanagement to screw things up. And that is precisely what they are doing now.

We can blame Simmons a lot for not developing a game beyond his talents, but the way the Sixers have gone about this, flows directly from the extremist approach of moneyball that Morey has promoted in this league. The Sixers are doomed now, IMO.

[Leetonidas]

Sixers fans still think they're getting Anthony Edwards from Minny, SGA from OKC, or Murray and White from the Spurs, etc. Pretty funny what a massive discrepancy there is between his perceived value:lol they'll be lucky to get a Kawhi level package for him

[Das Texan]

Simmons looking to play the Kawhi card. Clever.

[baseline bum]

Sixers fans still think they're getting Anthony Edwards from Minny, SGA from OKC, or Murray and White from the Spurs, etc. Pretty funny what a massive discrepancy there is between his perceived value:lol they'll be lucky to get a Kawhi level package for him

SGA? :lmao

SGA has to be one of the most valuable players in the league. They wouldn't get him for Embiid much less Simmons.

[tbdog]

Actually simmons value technically might be higher than what Leonard was. Because we know he is not injured and in fact pretty damn healthy.

[exstatic]

Actually simmons value technically might be higher than what Leonard was. Because we know he is not injured and in fact pretty damn healthy.

His brain is hurt.

[tonight...you]

His brain is hurt.
You mean his heart. He has feelings dammit!!!

[Dex]

Jesus Christ, how many times does this have to be said? No one wants this fuckup. I still can't believe people wasted weeks of their lives in this forum coming up with scenarios trading Spurs players. Good fucking Lord.

Say it louder in case the people in the back didn't hear.

Sixers aren't obligated to do shit. Simmons is under contract just like the Sixers, and has given no legitimate medical reason not to honor his contract other than whining about his sandy vagina. They are not at all obligated to trade him for junk just because he doesn't want to play for them anymore.

This will probably turn into some sort of a CBA battle about how his contract is scheduled and what level of involvement is acceptable, so not sure how this is going to really work out for Morey's long term plan, but I for one am glad to see them calling him on his bullshit and playing hard ball.

There are too many divas in the NBA who think they can sign these huge contracts then leave their old team sitting in the dust. Kawhi falls into that category, but at the least the Spurs were smart enough not to give him the bag as he burned all his bridges.

[jjspur]

His brain is hurt.
I thinks he's butt hurt because they wont cave into his demands and trade him to where he wants to be traded to (probably one of the LA teams). Eventually the team will realize that they are better off without him no matter what they get for him. Its addition by subtraction.

[PhantomDashCam]

This feels like a turning point in future CBA discussions. Absolutely deplorable behaviour by Simmons. As an Australian and an avid basketball fan, I hate to think of the future ramifications to this. This guy needs the Ben Affleck to Matt Damon speech from ‘Good Will Hunting’.

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Actually simmons value technically might be higher than what Leonard was. Because we know he is not injured and in fact pretty damn healthy.

and is signed for 4 yrs instead of 1.

[Proxy]

Felt like Doc was a straight up tactless bitch in the post playoff interview answering questions like he did. If you wanted to get rid of Simmons, it was right there that the biggest fuck up happened. Have Simmons' back in the interview to keep this exact situation from happening, and trade him for value.

[lefty20]

Correct me if if I'm wrong here....

Doc after Philly lost in playoffs: Simmons sucks, we're not winning shit him.

Philly Fans: He's right you know.

Simmons: Well fine, fucking trade me.

.....

Doc and Philly fans when Training camp starts: Why isn't Simmons here? We've done nothing but love him and have always wanted him to stay.