Draft projects to watch besides Wembanyama & Henderson

[offset formation]

I wanna trade back if we're outside the top 2....we can still get one of those guys and another player

yes

[JPB]

Sure Georgia is terrible, but Miller with 21pt, 2bk, 3/5 on 3PT so far (8 minutes to go), smooth catch and shoot 3s and all.

[wildbill2u]

Strange that after consensus on picks 1 & 2, there is not even a plurality on #3. Tells me that the draft may not be very deep in truly high valued players.???

[Mr. Body]

Strange that after consensus on picks 1 & 2, there is not even a plurality on #3. Tells me that the draft may not be very deep in truly high valued players.???

Why would there be a consensus at 3 right now?

[duncan2150]

I beg to differ, what I 'm seeing of Miller defensively leads to me to think he can be elite on that part. Mobile, focused, nice hands and feet, quick lateral movement, anticipates well (0.9 stl) he's taller than Nephew and play a different postion (although not so sure in today's positionless NBA,) but as I already said, if commited (and he seems like that kind of guy) I see a potential elite two way player. TOs are an issue but nothing dramatic for a college player.

I mean a 6'9 mobile, young scoring player shooting 42.5% on high volume 3s and 82.5 on FTs with great potential on defense and good mentality is what you may want in your 2023's NBA... Reason why I see him as the guy behind the big 2 .

Plus the 0.8 block per game for Miller, he may be good on D i agree.


Keyonte George going a little wild. These are kind of bad 3s he's taking but he's hitting.

He's really talented, i only have concerns about his athletism and his ability to finish at the rim.

[Mr. Body]

He's really talented, i only have concerns about his athletism and his ability to finish at the rim.

His athleticism seems to be fine and he's crafty with the ball. My issue on O is an absurd shot selection.

[duncan2150]

His athleticism seems to be fine and he's crafty with the ball. My issue on O is an absurd shot selection.

Yes his shot selection is not good, he's trying to do too much. Imo he lacks some explosiveness/leap but he's not a poor athlet.

[scott]

Because I don’t share the same philosophy you or others do. If you covet a player, you take him without risk losing the chance to get him. You trade down, you risk another team getting that player. Other times, there weren’t any realistic trades on the table and folks get upset the team drafted a player they “could have gotten later”. I’m not so obsessed with getting incremental value especially when there’s risk involved. Most view roster management like it’s trading cards and squeezing what they can out of every asset while ignoring the nuances behind every move. It’s the Daryl Morey style of management, and I’m glad the Spurs are not close to being that.

+1

The "we could have gotten him later" argument conveniently ignores the fact you don't have that "later" pick. Everyone likes to think this is 2k where you can always find a trade down scenario, but sometimes it just isn't there. Pick your guy and let the chips fall.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

If we don’t get Scoot or Wemby, I am convinced we need to get either Amen or Black to set this team up for future success. Both are 6-7 PGs that have the athleticism and ability to play elite defense, which is going to be sorely needed if 2 of KJ, Branham, and Vessel are starting for us in the future.

[Ariel]

Because I don’t share the same philosophy you or others do. If you covet a player, you take him without risk losing the chance to get him. You trade down, you risk another team getting that player. Other times, there weren’t any realistic trades on the table and folks get upset the team drafted a player they “could have gotten later”. I’m not so obsessed with getting incremental value especially when there’s risk involved. Most view roster management like it’s trading cards and squeezing what they can out of every asset while ignoring the nuances behind every move. It’s the Daryl Morey style of management, and I’m glad the Spurs are not close to being that.
The post I replied to came from a conversation where you stated: "Jarace Walker, Keyonte George, Cam Whitmore, GG Jackson. Any of these guys if we land outside the top 2 and I’m satisfied tbh". It is in that context (that you come out satisfied picking any of a bunch of players projected to go in a wide range) that I said "at the very least trade back and get picks".
But now you reply while changing your tune by saying "If you covet a player, you take him without risk losing the chance to get him. You trade down, you risk another team getting that player". Sure, having a specific target and not being willing to risk losing him is fine, but it's the exact opposite of the scenario you posted and prompted my reply.
Also, it's false that it necessarily entails a huge risk, when at its simplest form it's as easy as picking up the most coveted of the bunch and being open to listening to offers. If one of your other targets is available by the time an interested team is on the clock, you pull the trigger. Otherwise you don't. That's not a particularly convoluted scenario, it happens every year multiple times and if you follow the draft you should know that. I'd liken that style more to Danny Ainge than Moorey, tbh.
So I think before chalking it up to "philosophy" differences, "obsession" with getting incremental value and (non) "nuanced" views (with an all too common and poorly disguised condescending undertone), you might want to start with coherence and honesty, that's a much better starting point.

[Dejounte]

Good Lord, you are like the bizarro version of Sugus. Not fun to converse with, takes things too personal, writes himself in circles resulting in needlessly long essays. I did my best to read it with an open mind and all I sense is butthurt because I don’t share your view. Then you go on to accuse me of stupid shit that I wasn’t trying to do and this is the same old boring exercise all because I don’t conform to your sheep-like views.

[Ariel]

:lol I have no problem with anyone not sharing my views, that's just fine. Also it was like a 2 sentence post that triggered your passive aggressive response. But no problem from me, you do you and I'll do me. Moving along.

[Degoat]

Dream off-season… we get Wemby, we trade for Josh Giddey some how. I would ejaculate everywhere to see Wemby, Giddey, and Sochan playing together

[JPB]

Dream off-season… we get Wemby, we trade for Josh Giddey some how. I would ejaculate everywhere to see Wemby, Giddey, and Sochan playing together

Not on me, thank you.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1627789838983344129

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1627694395704082432
1627694395704082432
The more I think about it, the more Dariq Whitehead makes sense: 18, 6'6", athletic, talented, can REALLY shoot (42% 3pt, 93% ft%), slipping because had a slow start plus some injuries, but high potential. If he can be had with a low lottery pick, he's probably the best cost/reward, swing for the fences type bet. We have a lot of future picks, I'd be tempted to use one on him... maybe the Charlotte pick + 5 second rounders? :lol

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1627694395704082432
1627694395704082432
The more I think about it, the more Dariq Whitehead makes sense: 18, 6'6", athletic, talented, can shoot, slipping because had a slow start plus some injuries, but high potential. If he can be had with a low lottery pick, he's probably the best cost/reward, swing for the fences type bet.

He was my clear number 3 in this draft after HS. He's a really really good player, high potential but the injuries slowed him a lot.

Would be a steal outside the top 10.

[Ariel]

He was my clear number 3 in this draft after HS. He's a really really good player, high potential but the injuries slowed him a lot.

Would be a steal outside the top 10.
Honestly he's probably a better bet than A LOT of the guys projected to go in the 3-10 range. GG Jackson is the other high potential guy that is projected to slip, but Dariq seems way safer.

[duncan2150]

Honestly he's probably a better bet than A LOT of the guys projected to go in the 3-10 range. GG Jackson is the other high potential guy that is projected to slip, but Dariq seems way safer.

It sounds crazy today but if he was healthy imo he would be in discussion with scoot for the no.2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNXL8gfWFU0
He was impressive in HS

Edit : re watching his HS highlights, looks like he add a lot of bulk, plus the injuries... the reasons of his season imo.

[BackHome]

Yeah, I liked him but I am not touching a top 10 coming off a broken foot

[rascal]

Yeah, I liked him but I am not touching a top 10 coming off a broken foot

I am if he is deemed healthy by the medical staff. That's what they get paid for, to evaluate player's injuries.

[playbonner15]

Yeah, I liked him but I am not touching a top 10 coming off a broken foot
If he falls low enough, FO might draft him

[Mr. Body]

We need to throw out high school rankings once college starts. Literally do not matter.

[Mr. Body]

Here, for example, is the ESPN high school rankings for 2019.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019

Look at any other year. Doesn't exactly dazzle.

[scott]

Here, for example, is the ESPN high school rankings for 2019.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019

Look at any other year. Doesn't exactly dazzle.

This is fun!

From 2018:

#5 - Romeo Langford
#7 - Keldon Johnson
#17 - Tre Jones
#18 - Charles Bassey


WEEEEEE STAAAAAAAACKED

[CGD]

I wanna trade back if we're outside the top 2....we can still get one of those guys and another player

Yes, particularly if Orlando has like 5 & 7

[tonight...you]

Yes, particularly if Orlando has like 5 & 7
And Orlando would have to be willing, of course.

[spurraider21]

I wanna trade back if we're outside the top 2....we can still get one of those guys and another player
im sure a lot of teams feel that way. not sure who is going to want to trade all the way up to 3

[offset formation]

Yes, particularly if Orlando has like 5 & 7

Diubtful they'd trade 5 & 7 for #3 unless they are super high on someone besides Wembanyama and Scoot.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ61exC472Y

A pretty interesting way of analyzing tape, this YouTuber shows a series of Black's passes and has you guess what Black saw in each one.

The play at 11:50 was the one where Black really sparked my attention watching the game vs. UK.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1627789838983344129

Love Nick Smith's game. I know he's been injured all the time and never got into rhythm but his combination of constant movement, handles, shooting, floater screams 2020s basketball. I know it's just flashes so far from his college career but he's in my top 5, especially if he could prove be more of a primary ballhandler.

[duncan2150]

Here, for example, is the ESPN high school rankings for 2019.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019

Look at any other year. Doesn't exactly dazzle.
....
If you're refer to Whitehead, the impression about him has nothing to do with the ranking and for sure the RSCI top 100 is never perfect....

For example Lively is number 2 and i don't have him at 2 or in the lottery actually.

[Mr. Body]

Watched part of the Duke-Louisville game. Man, are the ESPN goons THRILLED the Dookies are managing to win some games: "Finally returning to elite status," etc. Against fucking Louisville having one of the most embarrassingly awful seasons a major program has ever had.

Whitehead is looking better, and certainly hitting a good number of threes since his latest return. It's hard to tell what you've got with him yet.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

[exstatic]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

SCRATCH

[rjv]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

forget about the lottery, this dude may have just dropped out of the draft.

[exstatic]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

Accessory before the fact, maybe?

[rjv]

also, nate oates is starting to run a program that makes the running rebels squads of tark the shark look like boy scouts.

[Ariel]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.
Is this guy brain dead or something? What good did he think would come out of delivering a gun to someone else? There's some bad juju going on in the University of Alabama, or something is seriously rotten... Oh well, I guess it's time to find a different no. 3.

[JPB]

That's ofc irrelevant considering a girl was shot, and even if from what we can read, there doesn't seem to be anything he could be charged for, but yeah that could change a lot of things regarding the draft.

I remember saying he seemed like a good guy but if a friend asks you to bring a gun, you know that's not gonna end good. And why do you even have a gun in the first place.

[DesignatedT]

Sounds like accessory to murder but yeah, Spurs probably don't touch that guy.

[Mr. Body]

Accessory before the fact, maybe?

It's the South. They're not going to trouble their big ticket athlete.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Shame. I had Miller together with Nick Smith and Cam Whitmore as my 3-5 tier.

[JPB]

Asked by AL.com why Miller was not charged, Tuscaloosa chief deputy D.A. Paula Whitley said, “That’s not a question I can answer. There’s nothing we could charge him with,’' according to the law, she said.

[Mr. Body]

If they wanted to charge him, they would. He's a big time Crimson Tide athlete so the buck stops with the other guys.

I mean, charitably he only brought the gun and didn't know a murder would happen. It's, um... 'plausible.' Charitably he's a doofus who is too trusting of bad people and... had a gun he just handed around when asked. Sheesh.

[spurs1990]

I'd still put BM on the table. It's not like the Spurs have had a bad run of UofAL guys. Horry was rock solid just by random example

[exstatic]

I'd still put BM on the table. It's not like the Spurs have had a bad run of UofAL guys. Horry was rock solid just by random example

Uh, Primo was UA just two years ago. That’s a trend.

[heyheymymy]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

Looks like NSJ is back on the menu, fans!

[heyheymymy]

Fuck man I just went all-in on B.Mill too


oh well he can be the 2nd coming of Jesus Jordan and if he can't stay out of trouble what good is it to the team then?

[Mr. Body]

Uh, Primo was UA just two years ago. That’s a trend.

They have a problem with players wanting to whip it out.

[heyheymymy]

Only problem with Nick Smith Jr is I just targeted Tyrese Proctor and Terrance Arceneaux for San Antonio's 2024 draft, glut of guards now.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah ALA players can't keep themselves from bringing the piece for some reason

[heyheymymy]

This is so full circle NSJ was my first target like this time last year and I had gone completely away from him and now he's coming back into focus again.

NSJ baby, the face of the future lol

[Mal]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

What a fucking moron...

[Mr. Body]

Not only is he a great shooter on his own, he can provide the assist.

[heyheymymy]

B.Mill more likely to get charged with a carry on a ball than for the gun.

[Mr. Body]

Alabama coach Nate Oats reached out to Ray Lewis for advice. "I just thought he's been through, you know, a tragic situation. One of the more mentally tough athletes in my time."

This guy's head is cracked.

[KingKev]

Haha wow BM sounds like a better teammate than Tony Parker.

If anyone can change this young man it is coach Pop!!!

[heyheymymy]

Man fuck ALA the state and the program

Fucking cesspool miring good talent

[mo7888]

Now I'm wondering how far this knocks him down other teams' boards? Even though it probably removes him from the SA board, if he's still on other boards, it affects who's available at different points in the draft.

[mo7888]

Also, reading more on this, the bigger deal from a legal standpoint should be that Miller used his car to block the victim from exiting... I'm not sure why that aspect isn't getting more attention..

[Mugen]

Top 2 or bust tbh :lol

[BackHome]

Well we all know the Spurs are not going to touch this kid with a 10 foot pole. If anyone picks him they going to bring a lot of heat as a young women was killed with the gun he bought and gave to his friend. Any organization got to worry about the PR ramifications and selecting someone who would do something so stupid into your program and poisoning other young players. Also, got to worry about street justice as someone in that girl’s family or friends circle will definitely step up to him in the streets.

Also, how can this program keep him on the team he should be kicked off as well as the head coach

[DPG21920]

Brutal man. Sad stupid all around. Young men/kids making the type of mistakes you just can’t make. Have to see how this all shakes out but this is bad.

[Gibbz]

The fact that he is still on the team, and Oats is still coaching the team, is fucking mind-blowing.

[duncan2150]

If we don't miss something in this story that's really strange to see Miller totally innocent... That will hurt his stock for sure.

[offset formation]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html?utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Brandon Miller supplied the gun used by his teammate in the recent killing.

It doesn't seem like he's going to be charged with anything, but...

I'm starting to get weird vibes from their coach. "Wrong place at the wrong time." Nah, bro, dude's answering texts to bring a gun to a club. May get away with this shit, but it's not a good sign.

How on earth does one not get charged for supplying a weapon used in the commission of an alleged murder??

Just seeing this, but even if he's not charged, how does this guy get to finish playing this year?

Also, how far does he slide? late second round, or not drafted at all? I wouldn't touch this cat

[offset formation]

Also, reading more on this, the bigger deal from a legal standpoint should be that Miller used his car to block the victim from exiting... I'm not sure why that aspect isn't getting more attention..

Damn man. Dude has to be charged with being an accomplice...not only provide alleged murder weapon BUT ALSO blocking an escape? To me, he's lucky if he isn't charged with 2nd degree, if not the same as the trigger man.

[exstatic]

The fact that he is still on the team, and Oats is still coaching the team, is fucking mind-blowing.

They’re #2 in the current AP poll. Not so surprising.

[scott]

Man, how fucked up is Alabama if they can't find a way to charge this kid? JFC.

[scott]

Time to start loading up on 2029 draft picks

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[BatManu20]

Time to start loading up on 2029 draft picks

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https://media.tenor.com/bpqf8gMbLlIAAAAM/benchwarmers-i-am12.gif

[heyheymymy]

Jackson-Davis 19/7 tonight

[Mr. Body]

It's a draft where it's not entirely clear that there are players that 'deserve' to be 3-9 or whatever. That said, there are players I definitely like. I'm unsure how I rank these:

Jarace Walker
Cam Whitmore
Cason Wallace
Nick Smith, Jr.
Keyonte George

They each have deficiencies and I wonder how they'll translate. Is Whitmore a Thybulle type very good at defense but struggles everywhere else? I have a nagging sense that Nick Smith is kind of like Johnny Davis in build and relying on making tough shots without separation. Cason Wallace is interesting and under the radar, but it's hard to see him as a high lottery pick.

I think the Thompson twins will definitely be lottery picks and one of them will likely got top 5.

These are the non top-2 players that I am continually drawn to:

Anthony Black
Gradey Dick

I think they will rise up boards, I think they will have great tournaments, and each shows a very high feel for the game. Now, do I think they are 'top 5 picks'? I suppose that doesn't totally matter. There's going to be a hopefully talented player coming onto the roster from this draft and it should be a right one. Do I want to pick one of these guys at #4 or #5? I guess not. But that's where I am at this point. My list will change, but I'm confident either of those players will be nice pros.

[offset formation]

Time to start loading up on 2029 draft picks

1627532408609447937

That's the only one the Lakers still own. Silver will ensure he goes to LA.

[Ef-man]

https://media.tenor.com/bpqf8gMbLlIAAAAM/benchwarmers-i-am12.gif

Yup, looks Dominican to me.

[exstatic]

It's a draft where it's not entirely clear that there are players that 'deserve' to be 3-9 or whatever. That said, there are players I definitely like. I'm unsure how I rank these:

Jarace Walker
Cam Whitmore
Cason Wallace
Nick Smith, Jr.
Keyonte George

They each have deficiencies and I wonder how they'll translate. Is Whitmore a Thybulle type very good at defense but struggles everywhere else? I have a nagging sense that Nick Smith is kind of like Johnny Davis in build and relying on making tough shots without separation. Cason Wallace is interesting and under the radar, but it's hard to see him as a high lottery pick.

I think the Thompson twins will definitely be lottery picks and one of them will likely got top 5.

These are the non top-2 players that I am continually drawn to:

Anthony Black
Gradey Dick

I think they will rise up boards, I think they will have great tournaments, and each shows a very high feel for the game. Now, do I think they are 'top 5 picks'? I suppose that doesn't totally matter. There's going to be a hopefully talented player coming onto the roster from this draft and it should be a right one. Do I want to pick one of these guys at #4 or #5? I guess not. But that's where I am at this point. My list will change, but I'm confident either of those players will be nice pros.

Dean lists one and two, and then lists 5 guys tied for seven, because he says he sees no player who is a number three yet.

[couchman]

Hopefully some players will play well down the stretch and in March Madness because right now it's hard to be too excited about anyone past Scoot & Wemby.
Someone will get a great discount on Brandon Miller if he can straighten up his life.
Nick Smith Jr is probably the most intriguing guy left after that just because we haven't see him play very much.
Everyone else looks like a role player at best.

[Mr. Body]

Hopefully some players will play well down the stretch and in March Madness because right now it's hard to be too excited about anyone past Scoot & Wemby.
Someone will get a great discount on Brandon Miller if he can straighten up his life.
Nick Smith Jr is probably the most intriguing guy left after that just because we haven't see him play very much.
Everyone else looks like a role player at best.

I don't know how many times I have to tell people to watch Anthony Black play.

[The Truth #6]

I’m intrigued by Black. Broadly, he sort of reminds me of Dyson Daniels.

[TD 21]

We know for sure no one is trading Wemby…agree there. Just wondering if Scoot could be had…

Say CHA or DET - team with lead guards already, land 2. Would they trade Scoot for Pick 3, unprotected future 1st & Keldon?

The Hornets, I don't see it because the size and shooting of Ball makes Henderson playable needs to him, they desperately need another star to keep the former invested and failing that, someone to build around if (when?) he forces his way out.

The Pistons, on the other hand, desperately needs wings (even though Cunningham is one defensively) + shooting and given Ivey's ties to the area and their not being a non glamor market, I'm skeptical they'd trade him even though Henderson is the better prospect.

Even then, the Spurs probably can't fall past 4 and either this Miller situation needs to have little to no effect on his stock or they need to be irrationally high on Johnson.

[couchman]

I don't know how many times I have to tell people to watch Anthony Black play.

Thanks I'll take a closer look

[KingKev]

Why the fuck would we trade #3, a future unprotected first and Keldon for Scoot?

Keldon is a rounding error to me but unless that future unprotected is 5-7 years out our own draft picks are the only real assets this franchise has and should be treated like gold. Trading one to move up one spot for Scoot? Are you fucking kidding me?

[TD 21]

^ I probably wouldn't quite go entirely unprotected but the argument would be, hypothetically if this were on the table, are they likely to get a better prospect in the next half decade?

And as much as him not being "Spurs material" is talked about, the flipside of that is if he didn't force his way out mid second contract, he'd probably be the best recruiter they've ever had for that very reason.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/GlobalScouting_/status/1628491669954781186

Best guard after Scoot imo

[BacktoBasics]

Has Emoni Bates played his way into the late 1st round? Seems statistically he’s improved considerably and is looking more and more like the prospect he was supposed to be.

[exstatic]

^ I probably wouldn't quite go entirely unprotected but the argument would be, hypothetically if this were on the table, are they likely to get a better prospect in the next half decade?

And as much as him not being "Spurs material" is talked about, the flipside of that is if he didn't force his way out mid second contract, he'd probably be the best recruiter they've ever had for that very reason.

Cam Boozer, at 15, is fucking destroying the same competition that the Thompson Twins are drifting through. He’ll be in the 2026 draft unless they make HS players available before then. A prospect like Scoot literally comes along every two to three drafts. You don’t trade up for him, ever.

[DPG21920]

Why the fuck would we trade #3, a future unprotected first and Keldon for Scoot?

Keldon is a rounding error to me but unless that future unprotected is 5-7 years out our own draft picks are the only real assets this franchise has and should be treated like gold. Trading one to move up one spot for Scoot? Are you fucking kidding me?

We have ATL picks, swap with BOS etc…doesn’t have to be a Spurs pick and you do this if you think Scoot has that star potential (we don’t know how SA feels). But if they did feel that and they think he’s a legit offensive engine? Ya, easy.

Would you trade 3, Keldon and one of ATL picks for Ja? Of course you would. If SA thinks Scoot is of that caliber then thats what Im saying. But seems unlikely anyone trades Scoot IMO, even DET. Maybe Ivey could be had though (or in a year or two)

And you’re acting like “trading up 1 spot!!!” Is a thing that matters. It’s about the talent. Obviously most feel there is a significant drop off from 2 to 3+. Would like saying “trade 2 and Keldon and a future first to move up one spot for Wemby?”

Yes, I would pay that to move up one spot

[tonight...you]

We have ATL picks, swap with BOS etc…doesn’t have to be a Spurs pick and you do this if you think Scoot has that star potential (we don’t know how SA feels). But if they did feel that and they think he’s a legit offensive engine? Ya, easy.

Would you trade 3, Keldon and one of ATL picks for Ja? Of course you would. If SA thinks Scoot is of that caliber then thats what Im saying. But seems unlikely anyone trades Scoot IMO, even DET. Maybe Ivey could be had though (or in a year or two)

And you’re acting like “trading up 1 spot!!!” Is a thing that matters. It’s about the talent. Obviously most feel there is a significant drop off from 2 to 3+. Would like saying “trade 2 and Keldon and a future first to move up one spot for Wemby?”

Yes, I would pay that to move up one spot

If only...

[Chinook]

The Spurs aren't going to purposefully be awful for another four years to have a 1/7 chance at drafting some dude. The best player in the next two or three drafts is well worth a lightly protected first. I like Keldon, but he's not an obstacle in the face or a superstar prospect. If you don't like Scoot, it makes sense to not trade for him. If he's Ja or even Edwards, you get him if you can.

I wouldn't make the Wemby trade with 2 in hand unless I had the full dossier on him and had zero red flags. I don't have a bunch of confidence he'll hold up.

[scott]

I have a feeling that a lot of teams may not view Scoot with the same fervor as the media or fans.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs aren't going to purposefully be awful for another four years to have a 1/7 chance at drafting some dude. The best player in the next two or three drafts is well worth a lightly protected first. I like Keldon, but he's not an obstacle in the face or a superstar prospect. If you don't like Scoot, it makes sense to not trade for him. If he's Ja or even Edwards, you get him if you can.

I wouldn't make the Wemby trade with 2 in hand unless I had the full dossier on him and had zero red flags. I don't have a bunch of confidence he'll hold up.

Sure - I was just making a point lol about moving up “only” one spot. Not all spots are equal etc…but ya, this all hinges on what SA feels about these guys which we dont know alongside the luck of even being in that situation. Let’s hope it’s a real conversation May 16th.

[DPG21920]

I have a feeling that a lot of teams may not view Scoot with the same fervor as the media or fans.

That would be tremendous because it means SA would have a real shot at getting for him or trading up if they land in top 4 vs having to be in top 2.

[Mr. Body]

I have a feeling that a lot of teams may not view Scoot with the same fervor as the media or fans.

Teams are as susceptible to hype as much as anyone. The Warriors had doubts about Wiseman, for example, and ownership overruled the FO.

I mark Henderson far, far better than Wiseman, by the way. At least he's playing and has skills. Wiseman hiding himself set off an insane number of alarms for me.

[couchman]

Dang Miller just looks so good. He's still #3 on my board, yes, even with the gun thing.
He has attitude, he rises to competition, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, and he is an elite athlete going to the rim.
The details of that gun situation sound a little less bad the more I learn about it.
He apparently never handled the gun.
Still a bad situation that deserves major scrutiny, but I suspect it will not deter most teams from picking him at #3.

[heyheymymy]

ALA goes into OT vs South Carolina

[BackHome]

Has Emoni Bates played his way into the late 1st round? Seems statistically he’s improved considerably and is looking more and more like the prospect he was supposed to be.

Character issues are his problem similar ie...gun charge

[heyheymymy]

Dang Miller just looks so good. He's still #3 on my board, yes, even with the gun thing.
He has attitude, he rises to competition, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, and he is an elite athlete going to the rim.
The details of that gun situation sound a little less bad the more I learn about it.
He apparently never handled the gun.
Still a bad situation that deserves major scrutiny, but I suspect it will not deter most teams from picking him at #3.

Whole situation is a shame. Miller was my top candidate for anything after #2 that SA would select at. Wasted hours of tape now due to this gun thing because Spurs probably will avoid him. Going to suck if the whole thing blows over and he goes on to be stable and a great player for some other team. It's a terrible exposure though. It's all over ESPN. Crazy thing is CHA is also poised to land Miller and are they shy on it after the whole Bridges domestic abuse thing. Two teams both kinda scarred recently and may be averse to select Miller on recency bias. Meanwhile some sleazy teams will pick up Miller, Primo and Briges as soon as socially possible/accetable and win games with them.

[heyheymymy]

If that first pick falls outside of top 2 I say get Keyonte George or Anthony Black

Pick up Julian Strawther with the 2RP and probably trade the Raptors 2RP but there are some interesting names around the pick: Adem Bona, Djurisic, Terrance Shannon, Jr and Sidy Cissoko if you want a stash pick.

Very realistic Spursy draft imo

[BacktoBasics]

Character issues are his problem similar ie...gun charge

Yeah I’m aware but for now it appears to be behind him and he’s played well. If he stays on the up and up for the rest of the year I’m curious as to where he’ll land.

He wasn’t a problem prior to that one incident and maybe he learned his lesson.

Perhaps the same with Miller. But I was never super high on miller in the first place.

[TD 21]

Cam Boozer, at 15, is fucking destroying the same competition that the Thompson Twins are drifting through. He’ll be in the 2026 draft unless they make HS players available before then. A prospect like Scoot literally comes along every two to three drafts. You don’t trade up for him, ever.


The Spurs aren't going to purposefully be awful for another four years to have a 1/7 chance at drafting some dude. The best player in the next two or three drafts is well worth a lightly protected first. I like Keldon, but he's not an obstacle in the face or a superstar prospect. If you don't like Scoot, it makes sense to not trade for him. If he's Ja or even Edwards, you get him if you can.

I wouldn't make the Wemby trade with 2 in hand unless I had the full dossier on him and had zero red flags. I don't have a bunch of confidence he'll hold up.

[spurs1990]

Y’all see Miller tonight. Dude is a sniper. Game was fully loaded. I feel like San Antonio will be a good spot to nurture the good citizen out of him.

[Mr. Body]

I'd say Miller is cementing himself as #3, though I wouldn't be surprised if he actually goes #2 in the end. That'd be hilarious, given how cursed that pick is.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Y’all see Miller tonight. Dude is a sniper. Game was fully loaded. I feel like San Antonio will be a good spot to nurture the good citizen out of him.

Did you hear the crowd chanting “Lock him up! Lock him up!”

[duncan2150]

I'd say Miller is cementing himself as #3, though I wouldn't be surprised if he actually goes #2 in the end. That'd be hilarious, given how cursed that pick is.

Yes i think so. Maybe a really good tournament from Smith or someone else can change the thing.

For the moment i have him and smith for this third place ahead of the other guys like George, Black,Wallace... The Thompson are the wild card.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb9124wXqBo

[mo7888]

Yes i think so. Maybe a really good tournament from Smith or someone else can change the thing.

For the moment i have him and smith for this third place ahead of the other guys like George, Black,Wallace... The Thompson are the wild card.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb9124wXqBo

I've consistently had Smith Jr #3 on my board...

[Dejounte]

IMO, NSJ is a late lottery to end of first round pick any other year. Reminds me a bit of Bones Hyland. Nothing about his game sticks out as a guy that’s truly worthy of a top 10 pick.

[exstatic]

IMO, NSJ is a late lottery to end of first round pick any other year. Reminds me a bit of Bones Hyland. Nothing about his game sticks out as a guy that’s truly worthy of a top 10 pick.

If you do a player comparison on TaT between NSJ and Black, it becomes pretty clear who the best 19 YO Arkansas draft prospect is. I do give NSJ a lot of credit for not shutting down, and trying to show out at the end of the season. A lot of players would have been content to enter the draft as a mystery box.

[heyheymymy]

If it's Anthony Black or Keyonte George who are you selecting for SA?

[Dejounte]

As much as I love Black’s intangibles, I can’t take him seriously with his goofy ass hair. Keyonte’s not very efficient but I believe more in his will to takeover.

[stephen jackson]

Please wemby

[exstatic]

As much as I love Black’s intangibles, I can’t take him seriously with his goofy ass hair. Keyonte’s not very efficient but I believe more in his will to takeover.

Did you even see Sochan’s Bozo the Clown Afro at Baylor? Or Dejounte’s Kid n Play cone when he got here? Or Lonnie’s pineapple? White’s Fauxhawk? Most Spurs FRPs over the last 7 years or so have shown up with some goofy ass hairstyle.

[Mr. Body]

IMO, NSJ is a late lottery to end of first round pick any other year. Reminds me a bit of Bones Hyland. Nothing about his game sticks out as a guy that’s truly worthy of a top 10 pick.

To me he is similar to Johnny Davis. Same build, same ways of getting shots without blowing by people, so they're often tough shots. Of course that's scary because JD has tanked so hard. And that sucks because they both seem like fighters, at least in college.

It's not a player we need, regardless of if NSJ pans out better.

[Dejounte]

Did you even see Sochan’s Bozo the Clown Afro at Baylor? Or Dejounte’s Kid n Play cone when he got here? Or Lonnie’s pineapple? White’s Fauxhawk? Most Spurs FRPs over the last 7 years or so have shown up with some goofy ass hairstyle.

Tis true and honestly I wasn’t being serious.

[Mr. Body]

If it's Anthony Black or Keyonte George who are you selecting for SA?

I like watching Keyonte George play. He has some star qualities that, if he can harness his shot selection and get more efficient, he could be a good get. But he's high usage and if a player with high usage doesn't pan out or struggles to score, what happens if you stick him in a corner or don't give him those touches? His defense is also pretty poor.

My adherence to Anthony Black is probably boring at this point. He's a superior playmaker, possibly the best in this draft. His sense of pace and ability to use angles are superior at his age - older players often never learn this stuff. And he processes the game extremely fast. Yeah, he doesn't always land every pass. He needs tweaking. He's also possibly the best perimeter defender in his draft class. If we have any prayer of slowing down the guards that blow up on us, we need a long, rangy defender who never gives up. He has a 3.1% steal percentage, which highly correlates to success in the NBA (even if those players don't become good defenders, like James Harden, it shows an ability to read the game).

One thing I keep sticking on with Black is that he shoots 5.0 free throws a game. That's almost twice as high as most of the PFs in this class and 1 FTA/game higher than Brandon Miller. His FTA/40 is higher than Paolo Banchero last year. Higher than Shai Gilgeous-Alexander at UK (on average usage), but a good bit behind Jaden Ivey and Ja Morant, who were attacking the rim constantly. But it's a very high rate, it seems to me, going into a league where the referees call any contact on the attacking guard's favor. Black doesn't lack strength at all -- he takes contact and gets those fouls, something this Spurs team sucks at doing.

I get that Black doesn't take games over. He did score more with Smith being out, but seems to relish setting people up and keeping an offense ticking more than hunting for his own shots. But it does show that he elevated his looks when needed.

[exstatic]

Just FYI, Anthony Black played FIBA U18 ball a year or two ago. He was willing to give up time off, and to be coached.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1628793672438276097

[K...]

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1628793672438276097

pushing, another assault? this man must be stopped.

[DPG21920]

Scoot highlights. Lots of mid range shot making:

1628962913317957633

[Mr. Body]

Hot take: Malaki Branham would be top 5 in this draft had this been his freshman year.

[John B]

Scoot highlights. Lots of mid range shot making:

1628962913317957633

After watching Spurs vs Mavs, Scoot looks like Kyrie to me on how he could pick his spots, draw defenders and find open players, those mid-range shots, even some handles look like Kyrie, same built. It would be a great pick except Scoot would need shooters to pass to, and maybe bigs to run with.

[Mr. Body]

After watching Spurs vs Mavs, Scoot looks like Kyrie to me on how he could pick his spots, draw defenders and find open players, those mid-range shots, even some handles look like Kyrie, same built. It would be a great pick except Scoot would need shooters to pass to, and maybe bigs to run with.

Hopefully he's a better PG than Kyrie (and he might be) -- Kyrie is far, far better a scorer. Scoot can't shoot very well.

[heyheymymy]

great thoughts, all re: Black vs George

thanks for replies

[heyheymymy]

Best fits at likely availability for the following teams:

SAS - Wemby slots perfectly in the bigs corps in SA and probably best of most likely #1 recipients. Stan and likely Roby gone at PF behind Sochan, himself poss migrating to PG, and behind Zollins is Bassey who looks good and Khem who could poss not be in longterm plans for SA. A PG is also a team need in SA

HOU - a PG/SG like NSJ or Scoot would be ideal, or SG/SF like Ausar maybe. Pretty shallow backcourt behind KPJ/Green and Christopher with TyTy not ready. Wemby would be great but they already have Sengun, Jabari Smith Jr and Eason imo. HOU looks good in the front court already.

CHA - Needs Lamelo help and prob needs a PF to replace Bridges legal woes. NSJ or Scoot would keep Lamelo loyal or Jarace maybe if Bridges can't clear legal issues.

DET - Needs a SF behind Bojan esp if they lose Diallo. B.Miller would be perfect. Wemby would seem wasted with Duren/Stewart and Bagley III even if Noel is gone and they don't have Wiseman (the 23/24 12.1mm is a team option correct?)

ORL - Really getting slim on rotation slots. Can't see what they'll do with two lottery picks lol let alone one but I don't know if I hope CHI lands top 4 and gets one back from ORL either! Could use a SF if Issac is gone and maybe an SG after Suggs to shore up depth? Ausar? NSJ?

[spurraider21]

Best fits at likely availability for the following teams:

SAS - Wemby slots perfectly in the bigs corps in SA and probably best of most likely #1 recipients. Stan and likely Roby gone at PF behind Sochan, himself poss migrating to PG, and behind Zollins is Bassey who looks good and Khem who could poss not be in longterm plans for SA. A PG is also a team need in SA
None of these teams should care about fit at all but Wembys best fit is Detroit by a mile

[heyheymymy]

Of course any team makes room for Wemby if landed but trying not to disrupt as much as poss that's already clicking is the aim here.

Also thinking business minded, are you really going to drop a ticket seller like Wemby in DET where let's face it money seems tough right now. Just thinking how execs look at this, no way am I not selective as fuck about where the biggest click generator in decades lands. Or maybe DET needs that boost and that's attractive?

I saw a mock sim where WSH beats odds and jumps +12 into #1 and they kinda have a nice carve out for Wemby. DC is pretty $$$ imo at least the metro area. Plus Wemby get the "presidential" treatment and can also keep him safer in the capital lol. Doubt Wiz bring back Zing but what an international duo, Wemby/Porzingis in DC lol just thinking out loud here, I'm not being fully serious. Kinda crazy how when you run sims, Wemby to SA really starts to make a lot of sense after seeing all the other options league wide. SA gets that big Duncan pick in historical nod to the past, they'll baby the player extending that juicy career, it could be interesting. [edit] And then you remember that The Spurs landed the #1 overall pick in the test run for the 2022 NBA draft like some foreshadowing there.

I was thinking, with Wemby being the super prize he is, it's gonna look riggy as fuck if a leapfrogger beats odds to get him. If I'm league office, no way am I letting Wemby land on anyone other than a 14% just for the purity of appearances. Anyone jumps and it's gonna stink like a rig-job.

I guess DET would work for Wemby if you let Noel goes this summer, that 9.6mm is a team option, and maybe you let Wiseman go, that 12mm is also a team option, or keep one and play Bagley III at PF with Wemby, or play Wemby at C

Wemby/Duren
Stewart/Bagley III/Isaiah Livers

or

Duren/Bagley III
Wemby/Stewart/Livers

Yeah you are correct that slots Wemby nicely into DET bigs and works well with how Wemby and Bagley III can slide between PF/C. hmmm interesting great point.

[heyheymymy]

Or maybe DET has a fine fanbase support and I could be way off here on the financial situation going on in MI

[exstatic]

Hopefully he's a better PG than Kyrie (and he might be) -- Kyrie is far, far better a scorer. Scoot can't shoot very well.

Yeah, Kyrie’s shooting splits were 53/46/90. Scoot isn’t remotely close to that neighborhood.

[spurraider21]

Or maybe DET has a fine fanbase support and I could be way off here on the financial situation going on in MI
im just talking about on court fit. Wemby alongside Duren is a match made in heaven with Cunningham facilitating and Ivey being the primary perimeter scorer. Anybody can and will make room for Wemby but Detroit already has young personnel who look like real players that should mesh with him.

it’s a place where he could really hit the ground running

[Dejounte]

If it aint the Spurs, I’d rather see him go to Orlando which I didnt realize until now has the greatest chance of landing the #1 pick… 10+7.5%

nevermind, the chicago pick is top 4 protected

Orlando or Pacers

[Mr. Body]

Chicago is the Adam Silver/NBA FO dream for Wembanyama.

[exstatic]

Chicago is the Adam Silver/NBA FO dream for Wembanyama.

Since MJ retired, the NBA has had numerous opportunities to reward top players to Chicago, and they got one: Derrick Rose. They’re a moderately dysfunctional organization that can’t seem to pick a direction, or get out of their own way. If I could magically award Wemby to a team, Chicago might crack the top 10, but they wouldn’t be at, or near the top spot.

[Mr. Body]

Since MJ retired, the NBA has had numerous opportunities to reward top players to Chicago, and they got one: Derrick Rose. They’re a moderately dysfunctional organization that can’t seem to pick a direction, or get out of their own way. If I could magically award Wemby to a team, Chicago might crack the top 10, but they wouldn’t be at, or near the top spot.

Exactly why Silver would looooove to get them back on track. Whole sight better than any of the other crummy teams at the bottom of the barrel. Silver doesn't give a shit about basketball; he cares about his marketing.

The other one, if he can't manage to get the Warriors to win the draft, is OKC. There are tons of Millennials who signed on to the Thunder during the Durant/Westbrook days and it's tremendously popular. He'd love to get Wembanyama there.

[John B]

Best fits at likely availability for the following teams:

SAS - Wemby slots perfectly in the bigs corps in SA and probably best of most likely #1 recipients. Stan and likely Roby gone at PF behind Sochan, himself poss migrating to PG, and behind Zollins is Bassey who looks good and Khem who could poss not be in longterm plans for SA. A PG is also a team need in SA

HOU - a PG/SG like NSJ or Scoot would be ideal, or SG/SF like Ausar maybe. Pretty shallow backcourt behind KPJ/Green and Christopher with TyTy not ready. Wemby would be great but they already have Sengun, Jabari Smith Jr and Eason imo. HOU looks good in the front court already.


Is there a remote chance Hou trades Wemby to Spurs for Scoot, if Spurs would give them Vassell and maybe unprotected FRP?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If it aint the Spurs, I’d rather see him go to Orlando which I didnt realize until now has the greatest chance of landing the #1 pick… 10+7.5%

nevermind, the chicago pick is top 4 protected

Orlando or Pacers

It's in the Spurs best interest if they don't get Webmy that he goes to Charlotte, so that pick has a better chance to convey.

[tonight...you]

Is there a remote chance Hou trades Wemby to Spurs for Scoot, if Spurs would give them Vassell and maybe unprotected FRP?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! No.

[KingKev]

Is there a remote chance Hou trades Wemby to Spurs for Scoot, if Spurs would give them Vassell and maybe unprotected FRP?

Lol only you value Vassell that highly.

[John B]

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! No.

I know the chances would be very remote, and as you said no. But Spurs 2024 FRP would likely be lottery. Would Spurs even contemplate on giving up 2024 FRP unprotected plus Vassell and Scoot to get Wemby? Or build around Scoot and likely 2024 FRP lottery as better path? I know getting Scoot is also not guaranteed, but for argument's sake.

[tonight...you]

I know the chances would be very remote, and as you said no. But Spurs 2024 FRP would likely be lottery. Would Spurs even contemplate on giving up 2024 FRP unprotected plus Vassell to get Wemby? Or build around Scoot and likely 2024 FRP lottery as better path? I know getting Scoot is also not guaranteed, but for argument's sake.
If such an opportunity arose, I firmly believe the Spurs would pounce on that faster than a tiger on a wounded antelope.

[rascal]

I know the chances would be very remote, and as you said no. But Spurs 2024 FRP would likely be lottery. Would Spurs even contemplate on giving up 2024 FRP unprotected plus Vassell and Scoot to get Wemby? Or build around Scoot and likely 2024 FRP lottery as better path? I know getting Scoot is also not guaranteed, but for argument's sake.

Wemby will cost you more than that. It would cost you Scoot and several other first round picks. Vassell isn't that good

[John B]

If such an opportunity arose, I firmly believe the Spurs would pounce on that faster than a tiger on a wounded antelope.

It's not impossible. There's always MJ sliding to 3rd for a better fit, remember. And even Doncic going to Dallas. Houston needs a PG (Scoot) to play along Green and Smith (plus they have Sengun), and the question on Wemby's body holding up in the NBA.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Wemby will cost you more than that. It would cost you Scoot and several other first round picks. Vassell isn't that good
Let's say Portland gets the second pick.
Will Houston (or any other team) trade Wembanyama for Scoot and Shaedon Sharpe because they are two future and undeniable superstars?

[DPG21920]

It's in the Spurs best interest if they don't get Webmy that he goes to Charlotte, so that pick has a better chance to convey.

Exactly. I agree with being happy for DET if they get him, but if SA doesn’t land him, anyone but HOU but especially CHA would be great for the reason you mentioned.

But Spurs are a great fit for Wemby too - unlike DET even, SA has a pretty clean slate where you can truly build around Wemby as the clear guy and mold team around him perfectly. DET already has Cade/Ivey (which is not a bad thing) but its just not quite as raw of a template given their stature etc..

[DPG21920]

No one is trading Wemby for any thing. Would anyone have traded Lebron? Duncan?

Nope - we don’t know how he will work but the quality of prospect he is means there is zero chance he doesn’t go 1 and zero chance that he’s traded.

Because if he is Lebron type quality, no amount of lottery picks would be enough to give up 10+ years of Lebron. I wouldn’t trade Lebron (prime) for Luka + Booker + more for example and that would be like the best case scenario for a team that trades Wemby and gets players/picks back hypothetically (those picks turning into next Luka + Booker)

[exstatic]

It's not impossible. There's always MJ sliding to 3rd for a better fit, remember. And even Doncic going to Dallas. Houston needs a PG (Scoot) to play along Green and Smith (plus they have Sengun), and the question on Wemby's body holding up in the NBA.

People nearly universally agree that Portland was colossally stupid for passing on MJ. They’re kind of a cautionary tale.

[John B]

Exactly. I agree with being happy for DET if they get him, but if SA doesn’t land him, anyone but HOU but especially CHA would be great for the reason you mentioned.

But Spurs are a great fit for Wemby too - unlike DET even, SA has a pretty clean slate where you can truly build around Wemby as the clear guy and mold team around him perfectly. DET already has Cade/Ivey (which is not a bad thing) but its just not quite as raw of a template given their stature etc..

So DET getting Wemby, would they trade for Scoot plus unprotected FRP and young star?

It seems that there could potentially be teams, maybe HOU/DET that might benefit getting Scoot over Wemby, given the right trade.

[John B]

No one is trading Wemby for any thing. Would anyone have traded Lebron? Duncan?

Nope - we don’t know how he will work but the quality of prospect he is means there is zero chance he doesn’t go 1 and zero chance that he’s traded.

Because if he is Lebron type quality, no amount of lottery picks would be enough to give up 10+ years of Lebron. I wouldn’t trade Lebron (prime) for Luka + Booker + more for example and that would be like the best case scenario for a team that trades Wemby and gets players/picks back hypothetically (those picks turning into next Luka + Booker)

But Lebron / Duncan were not 180 lbs stick. Plus as recently, Doncic went all the way down to Dallas for Trae? Bagley? It is NOT impossible. There are collosally stupid GM's out there.

[exstatic]

But Lebron / Duncan were not 180 lbs stick. Plus as recently, Doncic went all the way down to Dallas for Trae? Bagley? It is NOT impossible. There are collosally stupid GM's out there.

Doncic was never the consensus #1, even though he probably should have been.

[DPG21920]

So DET getting Wemby, would they trade for Scoot plus unprotected FRP and young star?

It seems that there could potentially be teams, maybe HOU/DET that might benefit getting Scoot over Wemby, given the right trade.

No way - DET already has what looks to be a loaded backcourt based on potential in Ivey/Cade. Wemby is the last piece and even fits positionally. It’s the opposite with DET IMO; maybe if DET lands pick 2 (Scoot) they trade back to pick 3 for Miller if SA lands that pick and SA gets Scoot.

There’s no one on earth that will be traded for Wemby IMO unless a team like Dallas offers up Luka or Giannis becomes available. Even then, I don’t know lol.

[DPG21920]

But Lebron / Duncan were not 180 lbs stick. Plus as recently, Doncic went all the way down to Dallas for Trae? Bagley? It is NOT impossible. There are collosally stupid GM's out there.

I meant like the type of prospect/pick - not actual Luka. Was kind of confusing; was just saying that if you land Wemby and a team offers you 3 or 4 firsts, even good ones, best case is you land Luka/Booker types and would you trade the next Lebron fro the next Luka/Booker? I wouldn’t.

[DrSteffo]

So what is the status of Brandon Miller? I would not want him for the Spurs. Too stupid. It makes picking 3 or 4 even more difficult. I'm not that impressed by Keyonte George because of his shot selection or any other potential PG. I think I would prefer if the Spurs trade down if not lucky enough to get 1 or 2. If they get to pick at 3-5 I guess it's jus a wild swing at Amen for me. He has some incredible skills after all.

[scott]

Of course any team makes room for Wemby if landed but trying not to disrupt as much as poss that's already clicking is the aim here.



All these teams suck ass. There isn't nothing clicking to disrupt. :lol

[scott]

Of course any team makes room for Wemby if landed but trying not to disrupt as much as poss that's already clicking is the aim here.

Also thinking business minded, are you really going to drop a ticket seller like Wemby in DET where let's face it money seems tough right now. Just thinking how execs look at this, no way am I not selective as fuck about where the biggest click generator in decades lands. Or maybe DET needs that boost and that's attractive?

I saw a mock sim where WSH beats odds and jumps +12 into #1 and they kinda have a nice carve out for Wemby. DC is pretty $$$ imo at least the metro area. Plus Wemby get the "presidential" treatment and can also keep him safer in the capital lol. Doubt Wiz bring back Zing but what an international duo, Wemby/Porzingis in DC lol just thinking out loud here, I'm not being fully serious. Kinda crazy how when you run sims, Wemby to SA really starts to make a lot of sense after seeing all the other options league wide. SA gets that big Duncan pick in historical nod to the past, they'll baby the player extending that juicy career, it could be interesting. [edit] And then you remember that The Spurs landed the #1 overall pick in the test run for the 2022 NBA draft like some foreshadowing there.

I was thinking, with Wemby being the super prize he is, it's gonna look riggy as fuck if a leapfrogger beats odds to get him. If I'm league office, no way am I letting Wemby land on anyone other than a 14% just for the purity of appearances. Anyone jumps and it's gonna stink like a rig-job.

I guess DET would work for Wemby if you let Noel goes this summer, that 9.6mm is a team option, and maybe you let Wiseman go, that 12mm is also a team option, or keep one and play Bagley III at PF with Wemby, or play Wemby at C

Wemby/Duren
Stewart/Bagley III/Isaiah Livers

or

Duren/Bagley III
Wemby/Stewart/Livers

Yeah you are correct that slots Wemby nicely into DET bigs and works well with how Wemby and Bagley III can slide between PF/C. hmmm interesting great point.

In the "business" scenario above, the NBA would prioritize (of current lotto teams): Chicago, Washington, Toronto, Golden State. I don't think they care about the optics of someone leapfrogging up, in fact Silver probably would like that as an example of why teams shouldn't hard tank and evidence that the flattened odds work.

[scott]

So DET getting Wemby, would they trade for Scoot plus unprotected FRP and young star?

It seems that there could potentially be teams, maybe HOU/DET that might benefit getting Scoot over Wemby, given the right trade.

Stop trying to make fetch happen.

[ambchang]

Is there a remote chance Hou trades Wemby to Spurs for Scoot, if Spurs would give them Vassell and maybe unprotected FRP?

Nobody would give up wemby for anything. The only players who could be traded for him would be Giannis and doncic and even those are huge maybes, let alone the salary implications and such.

[Mr. Body]

So what is the status of Brandon Miller? I would not want him for the Spurs. Too stupid. It makes picking 3 or 4 even more difficult. I'm not that impressed by Keyonte George because of his shot selection or any other potential PG. I think I would prefer if the Spurs trade down if not lucky enough to get 1 or 2. If they get to pick at 3-5 I guess it's jus a wild swing at Amen for me. He has some incredible skills after all.

The gun thing won't have any impact on Brandon Miller's draft stock unless something else comes out.

[KingKev]

Stop trying to make fetch happen.

Haha he can’t sit with us

[John B]

Haha he can’t sit with us

:lmao nah man I'm happy where I'm at

[KingKev]

https://tenor.com/GPyb.gif
:lmao nah man I'm where I'm at

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[duncan2150]

IMO, NSJ is a late lottery to end of first round pick any other year. Reminds me a bit of Bones Hyland. Nothing about his game sticks out as a guy that’s truly worthy of a top 10 pick.

Interesting thing as i think he has nothing similar to hyland except maybe the position or the frame.

You're not the Only one here who prefers Blake to him or have him low , imo he's way better than black.

We'll see in 2-3 years.

[Dejounte]

Interesting thing as i think he has nothing similar to hyland except maybe the position or the frame.

You're not the Only one here who prefers Blake to him or have him low , imo he's way better than black.

We'll see in 2-3 years.

Bro you also preferred Johnny Davis over Mathurin. See post below


Yes i understand, i have him over Mathurin because the late one could be a good defender but lacks some fundamentals for the moment. Both can score with Mathurin being a threat behind the arc, Davis is more mid range but i'm confident on his threes.


I really like him too, he's THE guard if we take one imo.

More than that, i think he's the only player who combines good defense and offense at the 9 spot.

Imo selecting Davis means Keldon would play PF, wich is not ideal like Mr.body said but spurs can solve that by taking a real PF with the picks or FA.

[mookie2001]

There can't be any way the Spurs draft Miller after what just happened with (Bama) Primo. Nope

Can't be

[Mr. Body]

Watching Alabama - Arkansas. You can't tell me G-League is better than top flight college basketball. These possessions are intense. Team defense is scrambling, physical, making things difficult on both sides of the ball. The idea that the competition and challenge of Ignite is anywhere close is just stupid.

[heyheymymy]

NSJ looking damn complete in this first half

[heyheymymy]

Whoa Keyonte went down with a pretty rough looking injury

[heyheymymy]

Fuck it lets just draft NSJ I'm sold

[Thomas82]

Exactly. I agree with being happy for DET if they get him, but if SA doesn’t land him, anyone but HOU but especially CHA would be great for the reason you mentioned.

But Spurs are a great fit for Wemby too - unlike DET even, SA has a pretty clean slate where you can truly build around Wemby as the clear guy and mold team around him perfectly. DET already has Cade/Ivey (which is not a bad thing) but its just not quite as raw of a template given their stature etc..

Not only that, but the Spurs give him a better chance at reaching his potential.

[heyheymymy]

Anthony Black is tanking this game for ARK

Played the full shift since the second half and maybe drew one shooting foul. But letting Miller push past him on the perimeter to score and just general flat play imo per eye test

[heyheymymy]

Miller got that badd news scowl and attitude was pounding his chest and had spittle on his chin whoa what a nutcase

phew dodged a bullet with the gun story since I bet Miller has additional off court issues imo

[Mr. Body]

Black looks like a lost freshman this game. I think he only has two fouls? He was laying off for a while.

Miller looks totally dominant. Which sucks, since he's a pure gangbanger made for the Rockets. Has he even apologized for directly leading to the murder of a young mother?

[heyheymymy]

Black has totally blown this game for ARK

In fact that lead from the end of the first half for ARK saw Black on the bench.

Black starts the 2nd half and boom the lead drains for ARK of course credit to Miller who went white hot in the 2nd half again for another game.

[heyheymymy]

Real slick move by NSJ to pick off the pass for the fast break bucket

[BackHome]

So where they chanting "Lock Him Up" during the game?

[heyheymymy]

NSJ with huge plays to put ARK in a position to force OT.

ALA was pulling away and NSJ kept chipping away. The open court interception fast break bucket and the step back 3 to cut it to 2 right at the end, with ALA splitting the FTs which had ARK with a few secs to try for a 3 to tie and send to OT. Incredible performance imo. Wonder what would've happened if they got the ball to NSJ for that last 3 attempt instead of the ball hog with shit 3PT % who jacked it up

[rankingtear]

Black looks like a lost freshman this game. I think he only has two fouls? He was laying off for a while.

Miller looks totally dominant. Which sucks, since he's a pure gangbanger made for the Rockets. Has he even apologized for directly leading to the murder of a young mother?

He did the opposite lol. His player introduction is him being patted down. What a douche.

[baseline bum]

So what is the status of Brandon Miller? I would not want him for the Spurs. Too stupid. It makes picking 3 or 4 even more difficult. I'm not that impressed by Keyonte George because of his shot selection or any other potential PG. I think I would prefer if the Spurs trade down if not lucky enough to get 1 or 2. If they get to pick at 3-5 I guess it's jus a wild swing at Amen for me. He has some incredible skills after all.

If he wasn't Alabama's star player he'd be in jail on $100,000+ bond, charged for accessory to murder. LOL the Tuscaloosa DA not charging him because of Muh March Madness.

[Mr. Body]

Yeh, Brandon Miller getting patted down by a bench player during player introductions. Fucking yikes.

[ace3g]

Always love Swiss army prospects.

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1629615558168571906

https://twitter.com/MarchMadnessMBB/status/1629560406380355584

https://twitter.com/AC__Hoops/status/1629541040242688004

https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1629540487580327936

[exstatic]

If he wasn't Alabama's star player he'd be in jail on $100,000+ bond, charged for accessory to murder. LOL the Tuscaloosa DA not charging him because of Muh March Madness.

Yeah, Dean on Draft thinks he wasn’t charged because it isn’t serious. Other Tweeps set him straight. How naieve.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, Dean on Draft thinks he wasn’t charged because it isn’t serious. Other Tweeps set him straight. How naieve.

I'm starting to get really fucking disgusted by a lot of the basketball world. Who keeps getting erased by what's going on? The woman. The woman who got killed. They keep trying to push her out of the frame.

[baseline bum]

One thing is for sure, if I'm an NBA GM I'm going to be extremely leery of any Alabama players until the coach and the AD are long gone. Primo was bad enough but now you have four shitheads on your roster go kill someone? Fuck that program.

[Ariel]

Black looks like a lost freshman this game. I think he only has two fouls? He was laying off for a while.

Miller looks totally dominant. Which sucks, since he's a pure gangbanger made for the Rockets. Has he even apologized for directly leading to the murder of a young mother?
He was my clear no. 3, but given that the Spurs almost certainly won't take him now, an interesting turn of events would be if we end up no. 3 and Detroit or Charlotte end up no. 2. We already know Charlotte doesn't give a F about any of this, given that they're simply waiting for the Miles Bridges situation to quiet in order to re-sign him. Also he's the kind of player Detroit desperately needs, with Ivey improving and Cunningham coming back next season, while they lost Saddiq Bey. So it wouldn't shock me if he's their choice at no. 2 and Scoot slips to no. 3. Still, with so few enticing options at the top, having to rule out one of the better ones really blows.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, Dean on Draft thinks he wasn’t charged because it isn’t serious. Other Tweeps set him straight. How naieve.

The bar is so low for charging someone as an accessory and bringing the murder weapon to the scene of a murder seems like a home run accomplice to murder charge much less accessory to murder charge.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Antoine Davis. Guard University of Detroit is about to break Pete Maravich’s all time NCAA scoring record and as a bonus he may also break Steph Curry’s single season 3 point FG made record. Similarity to Pistol Pete he is being coached by his father. Feel good story to balance Alabama nonsense.

[Mr. Body]

Hood-Schifino blew up to lead Indiana over Purdue away. He's a swing player for a run for the Hoosiers to me. Way too erratic so far but has talent.

[duncan2150]

Bro you also preferred Johnny Davis over Mathurin. See post below





Waw going one year ago to prove your point. Poster like you are not interesting.
A lot of people were wrong about Davis, that's basketball...maybe you don't understand it.

You think jalen Smith will be a star a few years ago but i'll not refer to that to prove something.

[rascal]

Hood-Schifino blew up to lead Indiana over Purdue away. He's a swing player for a run for the Hoosiers to me. Way too erratic so far but has talent.

I like the way the net snaps when he hits his shots. Has good rotation on his shot. Signs of a consistent shot maker. He's going to be good.

[BackHome]

He is slowing climbing in a lot of mocks..

[Mr. Body]

JHS might be top 10 and I think that's without much controversy, to me. He has more upside than a guy like Cason Wallace and this draft just doesn't have a ton of standouts after the top 3.

His big thing is consistency and he can learn that as he goes. He can blow up during the tournament and cement himself there. That he turned this game in against a heated rival, a top 5 ranked team, at their gym, bodes well.

[mo7888]

Jalen Hood-Schifino is pretty good. I've got him in the mid teens just ahead of Wallace. If we end up with a 2nd layer lottery pick he wouldn't be a bad pick up to pair with a Wembanyama, Jarace Walker, Cam Whitmore, or Gradey Dick.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Jalen Hood-Schifino is pretty good. I've got him in the mid teens just ahead of Wallace. If we end up with a 2nd layer lottery pick he wouldn't be a bad pick up to pair with a Wembanyama, Jarace Walker, Cam Whitmore, or Gradey Dick.
Cam Whitmore should be avoided.

[dbestpro]

Antoine Davis. Guard University of Detroit is about to break Pete Maravich’s all time NCAA scoring record and as a bonus he may also break Steph Curry’s single season 3 point FG made record. Similarity to Pistol Pete he is being coached by his father. Feel good story to balance Alabama nonsense.

Davis needs to play two more games to get there, and they most likely will lose the next one and be done. of note, there were no three's during Pete's time.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I belong to a third-world country with immense poverty and inequality. But it is horrifying even for me to see an athlete getting away with being an accessory to murder (he literally carried the weapon that was used to kill a young woman while denying that he knew it will be used for the purpose. What did he think? The gun was going to be displayed at some exhibition late night?). And even more horrifying that folks in his corner and deciding upon his playing career are more focused on his future NBA prospects and his college basketball profile than the fact that he and his friends were involved in a murder in varying degrees. Any ethical person or just someone with a sound mind would suspend his playing till a satisfactory response is available on why he was carrying a gun in the first place and at least a suspension even if he is proven to be not guilty of any named crime. But Alabama seems to have other ideas. And then doubling down with a pat-down during introductions? Thats just being shameless and unrepentant. This team is a blight on amateur sport.

[rascal]

Jalen Hood-Schifino is pretty good. I've got him in the mid teens just ahead of Wallace. If we end up with a 2nd layer lottery pick he wouldn't be a bad pick up to pair with a Wembanyama, Jarace Walker, Cam Whitmore, or Gradey Dick.

Ideally the Spurs should trade that Toronto first next year to get a mid first round pick this year and draft JHS. Hopefully JHS doesn't play well enough to get into the lottery and just falls outside.

Utah should be the target for the Spurs to swap picks with. They have three first round picks this year and no first round picks next year. Swap that toronto pick with one of the Utah picks this year and draft JHS.

[Ariel]

And then doubling down with a pat-down during introductions? Thats just being shameless and unrepentant. This team is a blight on amateur sport.
I agree with your post. I'd only make one correction: he's not unrepentant, he's gloating. I might have given him the benefit of the doubt on being the most stupid human being on the planet before that, but after watching this, that's no longer the case: he's guilty, he's getting away with it, and he's rubbing it in our faces. He's one sick a$$hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8p3D6utfs

[KingKev]

With the 3rd pick in the 2023 NBA draft the Houston Rockets select Brandon Miller out of Alabama. Unless new info surfaces that incriminates him he still top 5.

[mo7888]

Cam Whitmore should be avoided.

Curious as to Why you think that?

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Curious as to Why you think that?
As a slasher, he should be able to pass, but he only has 0.7 ast.
Plus, with his level of athleticism, he should draws a ton of fouls, but he doesn't do that either.
Last but not least, he has an inconsistent shooting form.

[BacktoBasics]

I belong to a third-world country with immense poverty and inequality. But it is horrifying even for me to see an athlete getting away with being an accessory to murder (he literally carried the weapon that was used to kill a young woman while denying that he knew it will be used for the purpose. What did he think? The gun was going to be displayed at some exhibition late night?). And even more horrifying that folks in his corner and deciding upon his playing career are more focused on his future NBA prospects and his college basketball profile than the fact that he and his friends were involved in a murder in varying degrees. Any ethical person or just someone with a sound mind would suspend his playing till a satisfactory response is available on why he was carrying a gun in the first place and at least a suspension even if he is proven to be not guilty of any named crime. But Alabama seems to have other ideas. And then doubling down with a pat-down during introductions? Thats just being shameless and unrepentant. This team is a blight on amateur sport.

As I understand he was doing the pat down from the beginning of the season. So he just continued his normal routine.

Not to make an excuse. He should have not done it but the idea that the woman was killed and it prompted him to do this routine isn’t accurate.

Its a tough charge because he didn’t provide the gun directly. Miller gave the gun to Miles. Who then gave it to Davis and perhaps Miles was the one who loaded it based on these texts.


There, Miles, according to investigators, told Davis: "The heat is in the hat," and "There's one in the head," referring to the gun being present and loaded.

I believe Miles is charged and I do believe Miller would be charged had he given it to Davis.

But red flags of course with Miller. I wasn’t interested in the first place but he has played better. Perhaps a wake up call.

[exstatic]

With the 3rd pick in the 2023 NBA draft the Houston Rockets select Brandon Miller out of Alabama. Unless new info surfaces that incriminates him he still top 5.

Houston and Charlotte, definitely, SA no, Det and ORL unknown. Orlando already has Banchero, and Detroit has young bigs already. He’s not a can’t miss prospect.

[BackHome]

Any team that take him is going to get a lot of heat as more comes out of the criminal trial of his teammates - Also, I am pretty sure he is going to face a Civil Lawsuit and a lot more information will be made public regarding texts, dash cam, video, etc...It's going to be a bad look but when he plays against other team your going to hear "Lock Him Up" for awhile that is just not a good look for the team or for the NBA............

[buttsR4rebounding]

Davis needs to play two more games to get there, and they most likely will lose the next one and be done. of note, there were no three's during Pete's time.

Also Freshman didn’t play Varsity when Marovich played.

[exstatic]

Also Freshman didn’t play Varsity when Marovich played.

Also, there wasn’t fifth year senior eligibility in Maravichs day.

[JPB]

Its a tough charge because he didn’t provide the gun directly. Miller gave the gun to Miles. Who then gave it to Davis and perhaps Miles was the one who loaded it based on these texts.
I believe Miles is charged and I do believe Miller would be charged had he given it to Davis. .

That's an important "detail" and I guess that explains why he isn't charged while Davis actually is and have been removed from the team... Not making excuses either, but that is still a different story then than directly giving the loaded gun to the shooter...

Remains to be seen if he knew the purpose of all this. I suppose he made his case to Alabama people that he was just terribly stupid and irresponsible, which could be the case, no idea. But yeah, Alabama overall's dealing of the situation has been terrible, making Miller look like the victim and forgetting a young woman was killed. Same for Miller who should keep a low profile and just talk about the real victim, don't know.

[wildbill2u]

If a good friend texted you and asked you to bring a gun to a night club at a late hour, would your thinking be that it is simply a normal request and nothing bad is in the offing? If it is, you aren't smart enough to exist in a civil society.

[Mr. Body]

Any team that take him is going to get a lot of heat as more comes out of the criminal trial of his teammates


I dunno. This will get completely buried by the sports-entertainment press. Who cares that a woman got killed? Right now they've already transformed it into a possession thing, not a murder thing.

[Mr. Body]

That's an important "detail" and I guess that explains why he isn't charged while Davis actually is and have been removed from the team... Not making excuses either, but that is still a different story then than directly giving the loaded gun to the shooter...

Remains to be seen if he knew the purpose of all this. I suppose he made his case to Alabama people that he was just terribly stupid and irresponsible, which could be the case, no idea. But yeah, Alabama overall's dealing of the situation has been terrible, making Miller look like the victim and forgetting a young woman was killed. Same for Miller who should keep a low profile and just talk about the real victim, don't know.

Yet if you drive friends to a convenience store that they then hold up, you're accessory.

We got to face it that he'd be in irons right now if he wasn't a big-time Crimson Tide athlete.

[JPB]

If a good friend texted you and asked you to bring a gun to a night club at a late hour, would your thinking be that it is simply a normal request and nothing bad is in the offing? If it is, you aren't smart enough to exist in a civil society.


What do you really know about the case? Answer nothing, except he hasn't been charged, which in the civil societies you're mentioning is how things are working... You know, Police and Justice, not people judging out of their living room in a fan board and giving moreal lessons to other members without all the elements just to make their virtuous asses...

And that's a good thing because until up yesterday, he was here supposedly the guy who directly gave the gun to the shooter and all the little judges of the forum were like: "How he isn't charged! That's accessory to murder! That's a scandal! If he wasn't a College star, he would be in jail now...!"

Yes, If a good friend texted me and asked me to bring a gun to a night club at a late hour, I wouldn't believe it's a normal thing, but I'm a smart guy, not Brandon Miller and that's why I talked about stupidity and irresponsabilty, wich doing this would imply... I don't know why he accepted... To look cool or badass, just to please a bro as a stupid young local celebrity, or because he knew about the plan.. You can be terribly stupid as a young gloryfied celebrity... that's no excuses and would obviously tell about the guy but I don't know, nor anyone here does.

And the more dangerous thing to civil societies is popular justice.

[Mr. Body]

What do you really know about the case? Answer nothing, except he hasn't been charged, which in the civil societies you're mentioning is how things are working... You know, Police and Justice, not people judging out of their living room in a fan board and giving moreal lessons to other members without all the elements just to make their virtuous asses...

And that's a good thing because until up yesterday, he was here supposedly the guy who directly gave the gun to the shooter and all the little judges of the forum were like: "How he isn't charged! That's accessory to murder! That's a scandal! If he wasn't a College star, he would be in jail now...!"

Yes, If a good friend texted me and asked me to bring a gun to a night club at a late hour, I wouldn't believe it's a normal thing, but I'm a smart guy, not Brandon Miller and that's why I talked about stupidity and irresponsabilty, wich doing this would imply... I don't know why he accepted... To look cool or badass, just to please a bro as a stupid young local celebrity, or because he knew about the plan.. You can be terribly stupid as a young gloryfied celebrity... that's no excuses and would obviously tell about the guy but I don't know, nor anyone here does.

And the more dangerous thing to civil societies is popular justice.

Lol wtf

[Degoat]

Interesting who the spurs might target if they don’t land a top 2 pick. Miller and the Thompson twins don’t scream spurs guys imo

[BacktoBasics]

If a good friend texted you and asked you to bring a gun to a night club at a late hour, would your thinking be that it is simply a normal request and nothing bad is in the offing? If it is, you aren't smart enough to exist in a civil society.

You can’t pick and choose legal battles with guns. If your white neighbor Larry asked you to bring a gun to the law firm he works at late at night no one would think twice of it. Self defense, right? Larry has a nice watch and nice car in a nice neighborhood at a nice law office.

Kyle Rittenhouse loaded up a gun and drove directly and purposely into confrontation and the gun nutters have defended him. 🤷

But it’s magically different when a young black man does it.

Again, I’m not defending Miller but it’s not any different than anything other gun owners do and they’re defended to the point of removing gun policies to make it easier to own and carry firearms.

[BacktoBasics]

Yet if you drive friends to a convenience store that they then hold up, you're accessory.

We got to face it that he'd be in irons right now if he wasn't a big-time Crimson Tide athlete.

If you drive to your friends house and tell him it’s cool if he borrows your vehicle because you’re gonna walk to work that day and he leaves and goes to pick up a third guy who robs a convenience store you’re most likely not going to be responsible.

He wasn’t the direct line. Miller gave a gun to someone who then gave it to someone else. Being guilty by proximity or association is definitely a thing but I’m guessing when you got the actual shooter and the guy who likely loaded and provided the gun that committed the murder I’d think concentrating on that would give much greater odds of successful convictions. Which is what these people care about long before actual justice.

[Mr. Body]

If you drive to your friends house and tell him it’s cool if he borrows your vehicle because you’re gonna walk to work that day and he leaves and goes to pick up a third guy who robs a convenience store you’re most likely not going to be responsible.

He wasn’t the direct line. Miller gave a gun to someone who then gave it to someone else. Being guilty by proximity or association is definitely a thing but I’m guessing when you got the actual shooter and the guy who likely loaded and provided the gun that committed the murder I’d think concentrating on that would give much greater odds of successful convictions. Which is what these people care about long before actual justice.

He was direct line. Your scenario is absurd in regard to what happened here: he brought a gun, in the middle of the night, that was used to murder a woman. At best it describes atrocious judgment. His behavior since has been awful, too.

Point is, if he's not scoring big ppg for Alabama, he's behind bars right now. We know that the South protects their financial interests first and only. Big time atheltes are a protected class.

[BacktoBasics]

He was direct line. Your scenario is absurd in regard to what happened here: he brought a gun, in the middle of the night, that was used to murder a woman. At best it describes atrocious judgment. His behavior since has been awful, too.

Point is, if he's not scoring big ppg for Alabama, he's behind bars right now. We know that the South protects their financial interests first and only. Big time atheltes are a protected class.I’m just speaking to why he’s not being charged. I don’t care for the guy or his game either.

No. He did not hand the shooter the gun. He gave the gun to miles. Who then gave it to the shooter. Pretty obvious that’s why he’s not charged and Miles is.

If you gave your brother a gun… who then gave it to your Dad… who then used it to kill your mom… then unless there is overwhelming evidence that you provided the gun for murder you’re not responsible. You had no idea when you gave the gun to your brother that he was then going to pass that gun to your dad to kill your mom.

I’m not saying I agree and perhaps he did know but it’s pretty obvious why he’s not being charged and it has nothing to do with basketball.

[baseline bum]

I dunno. This will get completely buried by the sports-entertainment press. Who cares that a woman got killed? Right now they've already transformed it into a possession thing, not a murder thing.

If he's a star in the NBA it'll get buried, just like it was with Ray Lewis. If he's a scrub then it's all anyone will talk about when his name is brought up.

[baseline bum]

What do you really know about the case?

I know district attorneys in the US will usually file accessory charges for much less involvement than Miller appeared to have in this murder. But it happened in the city the University of Alabama is in, the DA is a graduate of Alabama's law school, and Miller is the best player that school has had since Antonio McDyess or Latrell Sprewell and was leading them to a storybook season.

[Mr. Body]

If he's a star in the NBA it'll get buried, just like it was with Ray Lewis. If he's a scrub then it's all anyone will talk about when his name is brought up.

Yup. Already happening. The sports media has steered this into a conversation about possession and the gun itself. If this was a white woman or they didn't care to protect the Crimson Tide golden boy, we'd be having features on the murder victim's life.

[heyheymymy]

No you don't get to say he just delivered the gun and had no way of knowing it was in the commission of a murder.

There is a cognitive expectation for Miller that delivering a gun is possibly going to have lethal consequences. We all have a societal expectation to use critical thinking, Miller isn't a retard in the sense that he should have the logic to know where this is heading. It's at least criminal negligence.

What did Miller think they needed him to deliver the gun for? A doorstop? A late night gun safety class? Some innocent accuracy training or something? And if you're too stupid to know you're delivering a death sentence, maybe you're too stupid to not be legally innocent, or to earn millions of dollars in the NBA.

People want to say Miller didn't know, well maybe he didn't know to a criminally culpable level? If he so unsure of reality that he can't understand delivering a gun could lead to murder then he should be locked up in a padded room for his own safety. You don't get to say I didn't know what would happen, you delivered a gun and are an adult by now, come on. He's a danger if he understood, he's a danger if he didn't.

[baseline bum]

No you don't get to say he just delivered the gun and had no way of knowing it was in the commission of a murder.

There is a cognitive expectation for Miller that delivering a gun is possibly going to have lethal consequences. We all have a societal expectation to use critical thinking, Miller isn't a retard in the sense that he should have the logic to know where this is heading. It's at least criminal negligence.

What did Miller think they needed him to deliver the gun for? A doorstop? A late night gun safety class? Some innocent accuracy training or something? And if you're too stupid to know you're delivering a death sentence, maybe you're too stupid to not be legally innocent, or to earn millions of dollars in the NBA.

People want to say Miller didn't know, well maybe he didn't know to a criminally culpable level? If he so unsure of reality that he can't understand delivering a gun could lead to murder then he should be locked up in a padded room for his own safety. You don't get to say I didn't know what would happen, you delivered a gun and are an adult by now, come on. He's a danger if he understood, he's a danger if he didn't.

Biggest problem I have isn't whether he's guilty or not, that's what trial is for. But to not even have charges brought is ridiculous. Almost any other county, maybe even any other DA would have charged him as an accessory.

[heyheymymy]

Agreed. It's a total coverup. Admittedly wish I knew more about the legal system but this stinks like a deliberate downplay and I don't think selling chic fil a commercials during March madness or NBA careers are worth a person's life.

[BacktoBasics]

Biggest problem I have isn't whether he's guilty or not, that's what trial is for. But to not even have charges brought is ridiculous. Almost any other county, maybe even any other DA would have charged him as an accessory.

Okay then.

Provide an example.

I want to see an example of charges and a conviction of someone.

Who.

Handed a gun to one person who then gave said gun to another person and was convicted of accessory.

… with a lack of evidence that points to intention.

Because right now there is zero evidence that he knew he was passing a gun to someone who was gonna pass a gun to a 3rd person to commit murder.

I’m not saying he didn’t know but I am saying there’s no evidence and your claim that it’s as regular as my morning dump just doesn’t hold up.

So provide examples.

[Mr. Body]

No you don't get to say he just delivered the gun and had no way of knowing it was in the commission of a murder.

There is a cognitive expectation for Miller that delivering a gun is possibly going to have lethal consequences. We all have a societal expectation to use critical thinking, Miller isn't a retard in the sense that he should have the logic to know where this is heading. It's at least criminal negligence.

What did Miller think they needed him to deliver the gun for? A doorstop? A late night gun safety class? Some innocent accuracy training or something? And if you're too stupid to know you're delivering a death sentence, maybe you're too stupid to not be legally innocent, or to earn millions of dollars in the NBA.

People want to say Miller didn't know, well maybe he didn't know to a criminally culpable level? If he so unsure of reality that he can't understand delivering a gun could lead to murder then he should be locked up in a padded room for his own safety. You don't get to say I didn't know what would happen, you delivered a gun and are an adult by now, come on. He's a danger if he understood, he's a danger if he didn't.

Yep, well put. There's this peculiar way in which the victim is pushed out of the frame, as I mentioned, but then the object itself is reduced to inconsequence. A gun is a lethal item, as you say, and bringing it to a contested area like a strip in the middle of the night is not a neutral, abstract action. But somehow ESPN and the college sports media has made it into as dangerous as a bath sponge. It's amazing to see the American press at work.

[BacktoBasics]

Yep, well put. There's this peculiar way in which the victim is pushed out of the frame, as I mentioned, but then the object itself is reduced to inconsequence. A gun is a lethal item, as you say, and bringing it to a contested area like a strip in the middle of the night is not a neutral, abstract action. But somehow ESPN and the college sports media has made it into as dangerous as a bath sponge. It's amazing to see the American press at work.
Nope. It pretty transparent.

It’s a gun delivered with lethal intent when it’s a black youth.

It’s a gun delivered for self defense if it’s anyone else.

Personally I think Miller knew something was up but there’s a profound lack of evidence and white folk live in that world.

Kyle Rittenhouse knew he was headed into conflict. Sought out confrontation. Confronted and engaged a hostile environment.

Yet it’s self defense.

Then you have Miller who gave a gun to one person who then handed that gun to a 3rd person and people here want him convicted of murder or accessory to murder.

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

You don’t get to excuse shit when it’s white people and convict minorities because the math doesn’t add up.

That’s systemic racism in every fucking form we’ve seen in the last 20 years.

So you people need to live with Miller giving a gun to someone who gave that gun to someone else.

That or hold real gun nutters to the same standards.

This whole situation sucks but it’s a prime example of gun advocates wanting to walk back their dogma when it comes to proof/evidence and minorities.

[baseline bum]

Okay then.

Provide an example.

I want to see an example of charges and a conviction of someone.

Who.

Handed a gun to one person who then gave said gun to another person and was convicted of accessory.

… with a lack of evidence that points to intention.

Because right now there is zero evidence that he knew he was passing a gun to someone who was gonna pass a gun to a 3rd person to commit murder.

I’m not saying he didn’t know but I am saying there’s no evidence and your claim that it’s as regular as my morning dump just doesn’t hold up.

So provide examples.

LOL why are you talking conviction when I'm just talking charges?

[heyheymymy]

Whoa I don't support Kyle at all and wanted him held responsible for his role as well.

[scott]

Okay then.

Provide an example.

I want to see an example of charges and a conviction of someone.

Who.

Handed a gun to one person who then gave said gun to another person and was convicted of accessory.

… with a lack of evidence that points to intention.

Because right now there is zero evidence that he knew he was passing a gun to someone who was gonna pass a gun to a 3rd person to commit murder.

I’m not saying he didn’t know but I am saying there’s no evidence and your claim that it’s as regular as my morning dump just doesn’t hold up.

So provide examples.

I don’t know about AL, and in all likelihood they have some redneck gun nutter laws on the books, but in some states. You are responsible for the care of your firearm at all times, and there are consequences if your gun shows up somewhere else involved in a crime (and you have a duty to report it stolen if that is the case, so that you do not face the consequences if someone steals your gun and uses it in a crime).

Likely AL doesn’t have this basic common fucking sense law, because it is a state like Texas: filled with and run by some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

[rjv]

I don’t know about AL, and in all likelihood they have some redneck gun nutter laws on the books, but in some states. You are responsible for the care of your firearm at all times, and there are consequences if your gun shows up somewhere else involved in a crime (and you have a duty to report it stolen if that is the case, so that you do not face the consequences if someone steals your gun and uses it in a crime).

Likely AL doesn’t have this basic common fucking sense law, because it is a state like Texas: filled with and run by some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

preach.

[wildbill2u]

I deliberately didn't make a judgement on whether he should or should not be charged as an accessory before the fact. That is a legal question that will be decided by the appropriate authorities--but that being said, the questions about the race of Miller and his buddies--and the status as outstanding athletes at the university as part of the outside influences that can inform the legal process seem to have been the main issues that dominated responses to my post.

Apparently, I didn't make myself clear because I was trying to be judiciously polite. This is my point. He is/was a dumbass for taking that gun to any location and anyone at that late hour, especially if it was going to someone at a nightclub who was most probably drinking. This has nothing to do with race or his status as a prime athlete. Bad judgement for a white nerd as well.

Just DUMB.

[DrSteffo]

Brandon Miller is a gangster and he is proud of it. One of his best friends shot a woman to death. Brandon Miller should be in jail and will probably be soon. But he seems to be proud of this murder tbh. He is gloating. That coach of that stupid team is a moron and I can't believe he can be a college coach. And don't bring the race card PLEASE. This is too stupid.

[CGD]

Okay then.

Provide an example.

I want to see an example of charges and a conviction of someone.

Who.

Handed a gun to one person who then gave said gun to another person and was convicted of accessory.

… with a lack of evidence that points to intention.

Because right now there is zero evidence that he knew he was passing a gun to someone who was gonna pass a gun to a 3rd person to commit murder.

I’m not saying he didn’t know but I am saying there’s no evidence and your claim that it’s as regular as my morning dump just doesn’t hold up.

So provide examples.

Dude this happens all the time. Many of my law school buds who are now either prosecutors or public defenders see versions of this fact patterns all the damn time in Baltimore city.

[Mr. Body]

I have to say, I don't see it with Nick Smith, Jr., even realizing he's coming back from injury. He's small, doesn't get a ton of separation, is streaky having to make tough shots. I keep seeing Johnny Davis. He should be ripping it up at that size like Trae Young did in college.

Gradey Dick had a terrible shooting night but was able to affect the game elsewhere. I continue to like him and Black, although I wouldn't peg them as high lottery picks necessarily. I just don't know who I would pick over them at this point. Still seeing a cliff after the top three.

[DrSteffo]

Agreed I don't see him at 3. Would trade down or up (but exensive) if nbr 3. 3-10 is pretty equal now after Brandon Miller proved he is an evil #cool" "gangsta" stupid gangster.

[TD 21]

Given the desperate need for someone with a modern skillset and go-to ability, Smith Jr. should be in strong consideration once they end up outside of the top two.

My long term question though, is if he's the type ideally suited to being a 6th man on an elite team? There's tons of these types who start, make big money and are even considered fringe stars, but you rarely see them on elite teams and when you do, it's in a reduced role (Poole in the '22 playoffs, Maxey this season).

[pad300]

Zach Edey should be considered in the second. Yes, he's not in the modern style, but he's still a hell of a force to get for a 2nd round pick.

[Mr. Body]

Zach Edey should be considered in the second. Yes, he's not in the modern style, but he's still a hell of a force to get for a 2nd round pick.

He's incredibly talented and sometimes those players just make their way. I'd look at him with a SRP definitely.

[Mr. Body]

On the cusp of conference tournaments and then the NCAAT, there are a number of prospects whose seasons are just about over. These include Cam Whitmore, GG Jackson, and a player who has gone under the radar for me in Taylor Hendricks.

Right now I'm filling in my top 5 as Wembanyama-Scoot-Brandon Miller and then Amen Thompson and Jarace Walker.

I am unsure about how teams will regard Thompson, but think teams won't be able to resist his athleticism.

A lot of mocks have Jarace Walker high and Taylor Hendricks something like fifteen to twenty picks behind him. Walker has been a better defender stats-wise, Hendricks better on the other side of the floor. Hendricks might be penalized for playing for UCF in a poor conference - although Houston is in the same conference. I can see Hendricks rising in the draft process.

I don't know whether the Spurs would look heavily at PFs given Sochan's emergence.

[exstatic]

On the cusp of conference tournaments and then the NCAAT, there are a number of prospects whose seasons are just about over. These include Cam Whitmore, GG Jackson, and a player who has gone under the radar for me in Taylor Hendricks.

Right now I'm filling in my top 5 as Wembanyama-Scoot-Brandon Miller and then Amen Thompson and Jarace Walker.

I am unsure about how teams will regard Thompson, but think teams won't be able to resist his athleticism.

A lot of mocks have Jarace Walker high and Taylor Hendricks something like fifteen to twenty picks behind him. Walker has been a better defender stats-wise, Hendricks better on the other side of the floor. Hendricks might be penalized for playing for UCF in a poor conference - although Houston is in the same conference. I can see Hendricks rising in the draft process.

I don't know whether the Spurs would look heavily at PFs given Sochan's emergence.

I don’t know if we should draft that Michael Jordan kid. We already have Clyde Drexler.

- Portland’s GM

[XDT76]

On the cusp of conference tournaments and then the NCAAT, there are a number of prospects whose seasons are just about over. These include Cam Whitmore, GG Jackson, and a player who has gone under the radar for me in Taylor Hendricks.

Right now I'm filling in my top 5 as Wembanyama-Scoot-Brandon Miller and then Amen Thompson and Jarace Walker.

I am unsure about how teams will regard Thompson, but think teams won't be able to resist his athleticism.

A lot of mocks have Jarace Walker high and Taylor Hendricks something like fifteen to twenty picks behind him. Walker has been a better defender stats-wise, Hendricks better on the other side of the floor. Hendricks might be penalized for playing for UCF in a poor conference - although Houston is in the same conference. I can see Hendricks rising in the draft process.

I don't know whether the Spurs would look heavily at PFs given Sochan's emergence.

Don't think we need to worry about that Sochan can play SF if needed, especially if he could get back the 3ptrs just before his back injury.

[Dejounte]

If it’s neither Wemba or Scoot, my guess is they draft a guy who has the foot speed and size to be versatile enough as a defender to switch on players 2-4. Sochan cant continue to be the only guy who does that the whole game and the team defense has to improve somehow.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t know if we should draft that Michael Jordan kid. We already have Clyde Drexler.

- Portland’s GM

Which one is Michael Jordan in this scenario?

[pad300]

If it’s neither Wemba or Scoot, my guess is they draft a guy who has the foot speed and size to be versatile enough as a defender to switch on players 2-4. Sochan cant continue to be the only guy who does that the whole game and the team defense has to improve somehow.

If they fall out from the top 2 (Wemba, Scoot), I suspect the Spurs 3ed target will be Amen Thompson. They took a similar-ish to the swing they took on Primo; highest upside if it comes good.

[Dejounte]

If they fall out from the top 2 (Wemba, Scoot), I suspect the Spurs 3ed target will be Amen Thompson. They took a similar-ish to the swing they took on Primo; highest upside if it comes good.

I’m trying so hard to like Amen but damnit, it looks like Lonnie redux. Can certainly fly and run with the best of them, but the fundamentals are so poor he looks like he will be a deer in headlights when he starts playing NBA basketball.

[LeBowen]

I’m trying so hard to like Amen but damnit, it looks like Lonnie redux. Can certainly fly and run with the best of them, but the fundamentals are so poor he looks like he will be a deer in headlights when he starts playing NBA basketball.

Miller would be perfect, too bad he's a degenerate.

[Degoat]

The Thompson twins giving me big Corey Brewer vibes lol hope I’m wrong

[K...]

I’m trying so hard to like Amen but damnit, it looks like Lonnie redux. Can certainly fly and run with the best of them, but the fundamentals are so poor he looks like he will be a deer in headlights when he starts playing NBA basketball.

the spurs allegedly had lonnie high on the board, and while there's a small chance that's a small lie to pump up his confidence or trade value, it's not unreasonable to say the spurs would consider lonnie in the lottery if they had the pick.

s for lonnie being mid, you can't deny he has the body to be a star but just not the instinct. People like to pretend the spurs have a witch doctor to determine which players have the spirit and which have child abuse. The lonnie we know is the lonnie who has complex confidence issues, and the primo we know is in hiding out of shame. But primos and lonnies are top 10 picks for the team, so why not keep kicking the can to find the one? the bar of pick 3 is so low that it's not real bad for the spurs to reach for that mass of ten prospects in the second and third tire. Especially when the spurs will likely pick 5-7

[Dejounte]

the spurs allegedly had lonnie high on the board, and while there's a small chance that's a small lie to pump up his confidence or trade value, it's not unreasonable to say the spurs would consider lonnie in the lottery if they had the pick.

s for lonnie being mid, you can't deny he has the body to be a star but just not the instinct. People like to pretend the spurs have a witch doctor to determine which players have the spirit and which have child abuse. The lonnie we know is the lonnie who has complex confidence issues, and the primo we know is in hiding out of shame. But primos and lonnies are top 10 picks for the team, so why not keep kicking the can to find the one? the bar of pick 3 is so low that it's not real bad for the spurs to reach for that mass of ten prospects in the second and third tire. Especially when the spurs will likely pick 5-7

I won’t cry if he’s drafted, but I may have to buckle up and prepare for ugly basketball while he grows as a player. It had been such a relief to go from dumb players to smart ones (Collins over Eubanks, Malaki over Lonnie, anybody over Rudy Gay) that this would feel like a step back in overall bball IQ.

[heyheymymy]

Been targeting 6'8" 225 Jalen Wilson, PF from Kansas for SAs 2RP. Hope he falls past the first round. 23/10 today against Texas.

[mo7888]

We are about to enter the conference tournaments and then the big dance. We've all got our opinions, but here's mine going into tournament season. I'm sure performances will impact that and then we'll have combine measurements, interviews, and individual workout to provide data after that. Here's where I have my board at present.. this isn't a Spurs board...just my overall board. I think it's pretty strong into the late teens.

Tier 1
1. Victor Wembanyama
Tier 2
2. Scoot Henderson
Tier 3
3. Nick Smith Jr
4. Cam Whitmore
5. Brandon Miller
6. Jarace Walker
7. Amen Thompson
8. Gradey Dick
Tier 4
9. Ausar Thompson
10. Anthony Black
11. Gregory Jackson II
12. Keyonte George
13. Kris Murray
Tier 5
14. Jett Howard
15. Brian Sensabaugh
16. Jalen Hood-Schifino
17. Jordan Hawkins
18. Cason Wallace
19. Dariq Whitehead
Tier 6
20. Kyle Filipowski
21. Maxwell Lewis
22. Ke'lel Ware
23. James Nnaji
24. Terquavion Smith
25. Rayan Rupert
26. Taylor Hendricks
27. Emoni Bates
28. Sidy Cissoko
29. Dereck Lively II
30. Leonard Miller

[duncan2150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qqrz6z9TiI

Nick Smith with some good games lately. His touch looks really good, particularly on floaters.

[exstatic]

I’m trying so hard to like Amen but damnit, it looks like Lonnie redux. Can certainly fly and run with the best of them, but the fundamentals are so poor he looks like he will be a deer in headlights when he starts playing NBA basketball.

Lonnie had a wet jumper, and still couldn’t break out. Amen would be lucky to ever have a shot like that.