*** Official Israel vs Hamas war #13783478343 thread ***

[Tyronn Lue]

Overall I think we should congratulate the Arabs on staying neutral.

The West was approaching an Era of taking a step back from foreign affairs and now Russia & Gaza happens.

I'd like to see the West go fortress. Close some military bases, reinforce borders, cut down humanitarian aid & heavy vetting on tourism.

We can't nor should we change the World. And some of our attempts only fuel counter measures. But we can control who steps on our soil.
So you want to live in North Korea.

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So you want to live in North Korea.

No, but I sure wish you'd move your ass over there.

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1740634654334439834

[Winehole23]

"Suspected"

If you round up a bunch of military age guys at random and torture them enough, it's a pretty good bet some of them will confess

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Genocide? Torture? who needs proof?

[CosmicCowboy]

[QUOTE=Winehole23;11006460]I see you lurking, CC. Cat got your tongue?{/quote]

https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/wet-pants

:lmao

Whinehole

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1283257162/photo/close-up-of-a-man-with-hands-holding-his-crotch-on-a-light-blue-background-urinary.jpg?s=1024x1024&w=is&k=20&c=hJOc81pPOVCci26-1hj_xbNp66hoqZocrSgWn2j0THU=

[Thread]

The Jews got whomped and are madder than a wet kosher hen.

Remember? "Never again."

They let go of the wheel. That's all it took

[Winehole23]

[QUOTE=Winehole23;11006460]I see you lurking, CC. Cat got your tongue?{/quote]
https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/wet-pants

:lmao

Whinehole

white flag spotted

[Winehole23]

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[CosmicCowboy]

[QUOTE=CosmicCowboy;11006828]white flag spotted

Looking back and watching you pee your pants when I wasn't even here to answer your stupid hypothetical question was fucking hilarious.

[Winehole23]

Looking back and watching you pee your pants when I wasn't even here to answer your stupid hypothetical question was fucking hilarious.it's a direct analogy to the relevant history.

no skin off me if you're allergic to the topic.

[FrostKing]

So you want to live in North Korea.
I see both sides of the coin

My Polish side argues we should look within and return to our basics.

My USA immigrant side argues Europe doesn't create or innovate mutch anymore. The European calling card is being the cultural capital of the globe. Taking in people and melting together to create a society the Globe can strive for & use as model.

[Tyronn Lue]

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Genocide and ethnic cleansing aren't the same things.

[Tyronn Lue]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1740634654334439834
not one person wearing whitey tighties?

[Blake]

not one person wearing whitey tighties?

Even they have found out about boxer briefs

[Thread]

Genocide and ethnic cleansing aren't the same things.

...only to those that have a TV in every room.

[Ef-man]

not one person wearing whitey tighties?

No boomers in the crowd.

[Thread]

No boomers in the crowd.

Same with the crowd out front a Murrah.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

Genocide and ethnic cleansing aren't the same things.I quite agree.

In this case genocide is being used as a lever for ethnic cleansing.

[Winehole23]

The wanton destruction of dwellings
, roads and civil society is another lever for ethnic cleansing, as well as being genocide in its own right The displaced have no homes to return to, their cities are destroyed and the safe areas they flee to get bombed and shot at.

[Winehole23]

it's a direct analogy to the relevant history.

no skin off me if you're allergic to the topic.Or avoid direct replies to your own bullshit. Bullshit is easier to utter than defend, for sure.

[Winehole23]

It has been notably weak in this thread so far.

[Tyronn Lue]

I quite agree.

In this case genocide is being used as a lever for ethnic cleansing.
A lever in what way? Are you suggesting the IDF is trying to kill everyone or that they are using the threat of killing everyone to get them to leave?

[Tyronn Lue]

The wanton destruction of dwellings, roads and civil society is another lever for ethnic cleansing, as well as being genocide in its own right The displaced have no homes to return to, their cities are destroyed and the safe areas they flee to get bombed and shot at.
I see where you're coming from, and I agree that this should be a huge concern. I just don't think 2 might as well equal 3 because it's getting there. I don't want to minimize the impact that the strikes have on those living in that area, but genocide is a whole different thing.

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I see where you're coming from, and I agree that this should be a huge concern. I just don't think 2 might as well equal 3 because it's getting there. I don't want to minimize the impact that the strikes have on those living in that area, but genocide is a whole different thing.

...Genocide Joe understands it, Lue.

[Winehole23]

A lever in what way? Are you suggesting the IDF is trying to kill everyone or that they are using the threat of killing everyone to get them to leave?There's no safe areas in Gaza. Starvation, indiscriminate mass killing and territory-scale destruction apply existential pressure to the displaced and Hamas. It also dovetails with Bibi's plainly stated aim of removing Palestinians from Gaza. Genocide makes forced resettlement look like a humanitarian measure.

[Winehole23]

I see where you're coming from, and I agree that this should be a huge concern. I just don't think 2 might as well equal 3 because it's getting there. I don't want to minimize the impact that the strikes have on those living in that area, but genocide is a whole different thing.By what definition of genocide?

Geneva Article 2 applies straight-forwardly to the case, imho.

[Winehole23]

[From a report in the commie WSJ


The war in the Gaza Strip is generating destruction comparable in scale to the most devastating urban warfare in the modern record.

By mid-December, Israel had dropped 29,000 bombs, munitions and shells on the strip. Nearly 70% of Gaza’s 439,000 homes and about half of its buildings have been damaged or destroyed. The bombing has damaged Byzantine churches and ancient mosques, factories and apartment buildings, shopping malls and luxury hotels, theaters and schools. Much of the water, electrical, communications and healthcare infrastructure that made Gaza function is beyond repair.

Most of the strip’s 36 hospitals are shut down, and only eight are accepting patients. Citrus trees, olive groves and greenhouses have been obliterated. More than two-thirds of its schools are damaged.

The destruction resembles that left by Allied bombing of German cities during World War II. “The word ‘Gaza’ is going to go down in history along with Dresden and other famous cities that have been bombed,” said Robert Pape, a political scientist at the University of Chicago and the author of a history of aerial bombing. “What you’re seeing in Gaza is in the top 25% of the most intense punishment campaigns in history.”https://mishtalk.com/economics/70-percent-of-gaza-homes-destroyed-stunning-before-after-images/

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There's no safe areas in Gaza. Starvation, indiscriminate mass killing and territory-scale destruction apply existential pressure to the displaced and Hamas. It also dovetails with Bibi's plainly stated aim of removing Palestinians from Gaza. Genocide makes forced resettlement look like a humanitarian measure.

& fuck-face Biden is heavily complicit, Winestein.

[Tyronn Lue]

There's no safe areas in Gaza. Starvation, indiscriminate mass killing and territory-scale destruction apply existential pressure to the displaced and Hamas. It also dovetails with Bibi's plainly stated aim of removing Palestinians from Gaza. Genocide makes forced resettlement look like a humanitarian measure.
I'm still struggling to see how you're connecting forced exodus with genocide. The video above these posts shows several Palestinian men on the ground in their drawers. If it was a genocide goal, why not just shoot them in the head? It seems Hamas, their leadership, did want to exterminate via genocide the Jews in Israel. They just lacked the wherewithal to do so, but they tried. Since Hamas is interwoven into the population and they use civilian infrastructure as a base of operations, the only way to root them out is to cut out everything around them as well. It's unfortunate, but what would you suggest?

[Tyronn Lue]

By what definition of genocide?

Geneva Article 2 applies straight-forwardly to the case, imho.
The group that runs Palestine and Gaza massacred 1300 innocent people, brutally, including rape and all sorts of nasty shit. What did they think was going to happen? What did you expect would happen and what would you like to have seen happen instead?

There's no safe areas in Gaza. Starvation, indiscriminate mass killing and territory-scale destruction apply existential pressure to the displaced and Hamas. It also dovetails with Bibi's plainly stated aim of removing Palestinians from Gaza. Genocide makes forced resettlement look like a humanitarian measure.
Isn't this what Hamas did? The ball was in their court, they lit this fire. They fucked around, they are finding out. There are a lot of collateral damages and it sucks. It's terrible that some societies have no political power, but are slaves to those with the most force.

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The group that runs Palestine and Gaza massacred 1300 innocent people, brutally, including rape and all sorts of nasty shit. What did they think was going to happen? What did you expect would happen and what would you like to have seen happen instead?

Isn't this what Hamas did? The ball was in their court, they lit this fire. They fucked around, they are finding out. There are a lot of collateral damages and it sucks. It's terrible that some societies have no political power, but are slaves to those with the most force.

First of all, dad, the Jews fell asleep at the wheel & they found out first. tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

The group that runs Palestine and Gaza massacred 1300 innocent people, brutally, including rape and all sorts of nasty shit. What did they think was going to happen? What did you expect would happen and what would you like to have seen happen instead?I expected a very violent, very bloody response. I did not expect genocide or ethnic cleansing.


Isn't this what Hamas did? The ball was in their court, they lit this fire. They fucked around, they are finding out. There are a lot of collateral damages and it sucks. It's terrible that some societies have no political power, but are slaves to those with the most force.There's a 75 year backstory here, but the bestial pogrom of Oct. 7th was for sure the precipitating event. But I don't buy the idea that Hamas is responsible for everything Israel has done in response to Oct 7th. If I kill your wife, you don't get to burn me down in my house with my family and set fire to my neighborhood. It's totally disproportionate.

Israel will own the genocide and the ethnic cleansing, if the latter happens. The resulting ignominy and estrangement from uninvolved countries will be Israel's fault: Hamas isn't responsible for the killing and destruction Israel has wrought in Gaza, nor for the killing and destruction it still intends. Does being attacked immunize the mass death of civilians and the total destruction of the other country? I don't think so. Not as a matter of morality, nor as a pragmatic one. YMMV.

[Winehole23]

not an isolated voice, but not quite a chorus yet

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[Winehole23]

In passing it deserves to be mentioned that Israel was unprepared for the invasion and failed to protect itself. When the shooting stops, there will be hell to pay domestically for this.


a New York Times investigation found that Israel’s military was undermanned, out of position and so poorly organized that soldiers communicated in impromptu WhatsApp groups and relied on social media posts for targeting information. Commandos rushed into battle armed only for brief combat. Helicopter pilots were ordered to look to news reports and Telegram channels to choose targets.

And perhaps most damning: The Israel Defense Forces did not even have a plan to respond to a large-scale Hamas attack on Israeli soil, according to current and former soldiers and officers. If such a plan existed on a shelf somewhere, the soldiers said, no one had trained on it and nobody followed it. The soldiers that day made it up as they went along.

“In practice, there wasn’t the right defensive preparation, no practice, and no equipping and building strength for such an operation,” said Yom Tov Samia, a major general in the Israeli reserves and former head of the military’s Southern Command.

“There was no defense plan for a surprise attack such as the kind we have seen on Oct. 7,” said Amir Avivi, a brigadier general in the reserves and a former deputy commander of the Gaza Division, which is responsible for protecting the region.

That lack of preparation is at odds with a founding principle of Israeli military doctrine (https://academic.oup.com/book/11907/chapter-abstract/161080637?redirectedFrom=fulltext). From the days of David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister and defense minister, the goal was to always be on the offensive — to anticipate attacks and fight battles in enemy territory.

In response to a series of questions from The Times, including why soldiers and officers alike said there had been no plan, the Israel Defense Forces replied: “The I.D.F. is currently focused on eliminating the threat from the terrorist organization Hamas. Questions of this kind will be looked into at a later stage.”https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/world/middleeast/israeli-military-hamas-failures.html

[Winehole23]

Israeli security and military agencies produced repeated assessments (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/29/world/middleeast/israel-intelligence-hamas-attack.html) that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of launching a massive invasion. The authorities clung to that optimistic view even when Israel obtained Hamas battle plans (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html) that revealed an invasion was precisely what Hamas was planning.

The decisions, in retrospect, are tinged with hubris. The notion that Hamas could execute an ambitious attack was seen as so unlikely that Israeli intelligence officials even reduced eavesdropping on Hamas radio traffic (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/29/world/middleeast/israel-intelligence-hamas-attack.html), concluding that it was a waste of time.

None of the officers interviewed, including those stationed along the border, could recall discussions or training based on a plan to repel such an assault.

“As far as I recall, there was no such plan,” said Yaakov Amidror, a retired Israeli general and a former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “The army does not prepare itself for things it thinks are impossible.”

[Winehole23]

The Israeli government had determined that the loosely organized civilian guard, known as Kitat Konnenut, would serve as the first line of defense in the towns and villages near the border. But the guardsmen had different standards of training depending on who was in charge. For years, they warned that some of their units were poorly trained and underequipped, according to two Israeli military officials with direct knowledge of the volunteer teams.

Additionally, the Israeli military reservists were not prepared to quickly mobilize and deploy. Some described heading south on their own initiative.

Davidi Ben Zion, 38, a major in the reserves, said reservists never trained to respond at a moment’s notice to an invasion. The training assumed that Israeli intelligence would learn of a looming invasion in advance, giving reservists time to prepare to deploy.

“The procedure states that we have the battalion ready for combat in 24 hours,” he said. “There’s a checklist to authorize the distribution of everything. We practiced this for many years.”

Hamas capitalized on these errors in ways that further delayed the Israeli response. Terrorists blocked key highway intersections, leaving soldiers bogged down in firefights as they tried to enter besieged towns. And the Hamas siege on the military base in southern Israel crippled the regional command post, paralyzing the military response.

[Winehole23]

Previously undisclosed documents reviewed by The Times show just how drastically the military misread the situation. Records from early in the day show that, even during the attack, the military still assessed that Hamas, at best, would be able to breach Israel’s border fence in just a few places. A separate intelligence document, prepared weeks later, shows that Hamas teams actually breached the fence in more than 30 locations and quickly moved deep into southern Israel.

Hamas fighters poured into Israel with heavy machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, land mines and more. They were prepared to fight for days. Israeli commandos apparently believed they would be fighting for just hours; one said he set out that morning without his night-vision goggles.

“The terrorists had a distinct tactical advantage in firepower,” said Yair Ansbacher, 40, a reservist in a counterterrorism unit who fought on Oct. 7. He and his colleagues mainly used pistols, assault rifles and sometimes sniper rifles, he said.

The situation was so dire that at 9 a.m., the head of Shin Bet, Israel's domestic security agency, issued a rare order. He told all combat-trained, weapons-carrying employees to go south. Shin Bet does not normally activate with the military. Ten Shin Bet operatives were killed that day.

[Winehole23]

Whether Hamas knew that the military was understaffed is unclear, but it had fatal consequences. When the attacks began, many soldiers were fighting for their lives instead of protecting residents nearby. Hamas stormed one base, Nahal Oz, forcing soldiers to abandon it and leave behind dead friends.

[Winehole23]

The assault on the Re’im military base left soldiers there fighting for their lives rather than coordinating a response to the invasion.

Re’im is home to the Gaza Division, which oversees all military operations in the region. It is also home to two brigades, northern and southern, dedicated to protecting about 40 miles of the border.

Like other bases, Re’im was understaffed because of the holiday. A brigade commander and key staff were away from the base, according to a senior military officer. They were summoned back before dawn, officials said, as Israeli intelligence officials tried to make sense of unusual Hamas activity (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/29/world/middleeast/israel-intelligence-hamas-attack.html) just over the border in Gaza.

Many soldiers, though, were allowed to keep sleeping. One told The Times that some did not know they were under attack until Hamas was in their sleeping quarters. Several were killed in their bunks. Others barricaded themselves in safe rooms.

The scope of the catastrophe, if not the attack itself, was preventable, according to records and interviews.

“After they built the fence, they put the headquarters in the middle of the sector,” said General Samia, the former head of the Southern Command. He said the three commanders of the brigades and division never should have been housed together so close to Gaza’s border.

“In the same camp, you all had three of them — in the same location,” he said. “What a mistake. What a mistake.”

The Israeli authorities also knew, years in advance, that Hamas planned to take out Re’im as part of its invasion, documents previously obtained by The Times showed (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html). They dismissed that plan, like the prospect of overall invasion, as implausible.

Even in May, when intelligence analysts raised alarms about Hamas training exercises, Israeli officials did not increase troop levels in the South.

The assault on Re’im led to a near blackout of communication inside the unit that coordinates troop movements across southern Israel, according to one soldier who was based there on Oct. 7.

The division that was supposed to be directing the battle was trying not to get overrun.

Even at noon, according to another Southern Command official, officers there did not understand what was happening. They assessed that Hamas had sent about 200 gunmen into Israel. They were off by a factor of 10.

It took the military most of the day to retake control of the Re’im base.

“When your division is under fire, you’re focused on clearing it from terrorists,” said General Ibrahim, the commander of the armored corps, which is based in southern Israel. “It distracts from management of the fighting more broadly.” General Ibrahim defended the military’s response, saying there are few modern armies that could have recaptured the region as quickly as Israel did.

But nobody had trained to repel an invasion.

[Winehole23]

Despite the siege of Re’im, reinforcements were not far away. Thousands of soldiers were less than 40 minutes from the towns that were under attack. But as terrified citizens waited in bunkers or hid from gunmen, Israeli soldiers were hung up on the highway, unable to reach them.

A central highway connects military bases in the center and south of the country to the communities near Gaza. Pockets of Hamas gunmen set up ambushes along the route, videos from Pandora show. Israeli commanders were hesitant to send soldiers into those traps, according to two Israeli military officers who took part in conversations that morning.

“Hamas is all over the roads,” one Israeli soldier reported in a conversation recounted by a participant. “They own the street, not us.”

[Winehole23]

Major Ben Zion, the reservist, said that his paratrooper unit left its base in central Israel, not far from Tel Aviv, in a convoy at about 1:30 p.m. They mobilized on their own, without a formal call-up order. To save time, they left without night-vision equipment or adequate body armor.

He expected to see the roads packed with soldiers and equipment and armored vehicles heading south.

“The roads were empty!” he recalled in an interview. Roughly seven hours into the fighting, he turned to the reservist next to him and asked: “Where’s the I.D.F.?”

[Tyronn Lue]

I expected a very violent, very bloody response. I did not expect genocide or ethnic cleansing.

There's a 75 year backstory here, but the bestial pogrom of Oct. 7th was for sure the precipitating event. But I don't buy the idea that Hamas is responsible for everything Israel has done in response to Oct 7th. If I kill your wife, you don't get to burn me down in my house with my family and set fire to my neighborhood. It's totally disproportionate.

Israel will own the genocide and the ethnic cleansing, if the latter happens. The resulting ignominy and estrangement from uninvolved countries will be Israel's fault: Hamas isn't responsible for the killing and destruction Israel has wrought in Gaza, nor for the killing and destruction it still intends. Does being attacked immunize the mass death of civilians and the total destruction of the other country? I don't think so. Not as a matter of morality, nor as a pragmatic one. YMMV.
They bear at least some responsibility.

You seem to put that into a small box and set it aside, like it's a distraction instead of the central theme.

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1741479892271718464

[Winehole23]

You seem to put that into a small box and set it aside, like it's a distraction instead of the central theme. No, it was literally the first thing I said. Hamas precipitated the Israeli response. I also called Oct. 7th a "bestial pogrom." Hamas should face war crimes accountability too.

Is more clarity or stronger language needed?

[Tyronn Lue]

No, it was literally the first thing I said. Hamas precipitated the Israeli response. I also called Oct. 7th a "bestial pogrom." Hamas should face war crimes accountability too.

Is more clarity or stronger language needed?
You made it pretty clear. Hamas started it. Then you said they aren't responsible for the outcome. This is why I said you compartmentalized it and set it aside. They have culpability. Rationalizing that away with verbal maneuvering doesn't work. Bestial pogrom vs ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Hamas is now facing the repercussions of their actions in Israel. There may be no one left to prosecute. Besides, Hamas doesn't care about the Geneva convention. They are terrorists, not combatants.

[Winehole23]

You made it pretty clear. Hamas started it. Then you said they aren't responsible for the outcome. This is why I said you compartmentalized it and set it aside. They have culpability. Rationalizing that away with verbal maneuvering doesn't work. Bestial pogrom vs ethnic cleansing and genocide.I don't think that is what I said, but perhaps I could have expressed myself more clearly. My problem with the Israeli response is not that they attacked (clearly provoked by Hamas, it makes sense to say Hamas is responsible for this) but the manner of attack (inflicting mass death and starvation on civilians and wantonly destroying cities, which is 100% on Israel.)


Hamas is now facing the repercussions of their actions in Israel. There may be no one left to prosecute. Besides, Hamas doesn't care about the Geneva convention. They are terrorists, not combatants.Much of the rest of the world does, and Israel will have to live in that world when the shooting stops. I don't share your confidence that Hamas will be destroyed.

Sinn Fein and Nelson Mandela were once considered terrorists by the so-called civilized world, but both were at the negotiating table when it was time for a political settlement. It's not unthinkable that something similar will happen somewhere down the line here, supposing that Israel does not succeed in cleansing the Gaza strip of Arabs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol comparing Hamas to Mandela.

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't think that is what I said, but perhaps I could have expressed myself more clearly. My problem with the Israeli response is not that they attacked (clearly provoked by Hamas, it makes sense to say Hamas is responsible for this) but the manner of attack (inflicting mass death and starvation on civilians and wantonly destroying cities, which is 100% on Israel.)

Hamas isn't responsible for the killing and destruction Israel has wrought in Gaza, nor for the killing and destruction it still intends.

This is what you said. That you mentioned above is the direct outcome from the bestial pogrom. I agree with your clarification. The response is decided by the one who was attacked, but it's called a response for a reason. I don't think anyone with even a brief understanding of Israel's history would consider they would do anything other than what they are doing. They are not known as being passive against attacks against their people anywhere in the world, much less on their own soil, at that scale.


Much of the rest of the world does, and Israel will have to live in that world when the shooting stops. I don't share your confidence that Hamas will be destroyed.

I don't think they will be destroyed as an ideology. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have relied on suicide bombings and random result rocket fire into populated areas. Their openly stated goal is the eradication of all Jews and the removal of the state of Israel. It seems now the gloves are off.


Sinn Fein and Nelson Mandela were once considered terrorists by the so-called civilized world, but both were at the negotiating table when it was time for a political settlement. It's not unthinkable that something similar will happen somewhere down the line here, supposing that Israel does not succeed in cleansing the Gaza strip of Arabs. These aren't similar situations.

[Winehole23]

These aren't similar situations.Sein Fein is a fairly close analogy imo.

[Winehole23]

I don't think they will be destroyed as an ideology. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have relied on suicide bombings and random result rocket fire into populated areas. Their openly stated goal is the eradication of all Jews and the removal of the state of Israel. It seems now the gloves are off.Genocide and ethnic cleansing aren't valid counterterrorism tactics. If I kill your wife, that doesn't justify you killing my kids and burning down my whole neighborhood, even though it might be an understandable psychological reaction..

[Winehole23]

Kill the terrorists, sure.

Starve the whole population, bomb them wantonly and knock down all their houses?

Seems wildly disproportionate, to put it mildly.

[Tyronn Lue]

Genocide and ethnic cleansing aren't valid counterterrorism tactics. If I kill your wife, that doesn't justify you killing my kids and burning down my whole neighborhood, even though it might be an understandable psychological reaction..
The bolded begs the question. You've not established genocide is being carried out or even attempted. Your attempt to illustrate it had a quote that mentioned ethnic cleansing, but not genocide.

That's twice you've used the bad "kill your wife" analogy. If you killed my hypothetical wife I'd call the cops. If you barricaded yourself into a room with your family and fired rounds at the cops, you'd be putting the lives of your family in danger. Do you think it would be the fault of the cops if your family died in the crossfire?

[Tyronn Lue]

Kill the terrorists, sure.

Starve the whole population, bomb them wantonly and knock down all their houses?

Seems wildly disproportionate, to put it mildly.
There's no guarantee of symmetry when you commit heinous acts like Hamas did, none at all. They attacked then ran back into hiding within the civilian population. It was them, not Israel, who made that decision.

[Tyronn Lue]

Sein Fein is a fairly close analogy imo.
No it's not. Even so you invoked Nelson Mandela. Why do that if you know it's not a relevant comparison? Al Qaeda are called terrorists, just as is ISIL and Boko Haram. Should the world wait until they come to the bargaining table?

[Winehole23]

No it's not. Even so you invoked Nelson Mandela. Why do that if you know it's not a relevant comparison? Al Qaeda are called terrorists, just as is ISIL and Boko Haram. Should the world wait until they come to the bargaining table?Sein Fein resisted English occupation terroristically and got a seat at the bargaining table when it became clear there was no military solution. I'm not saying that should happen, nor that it is likely, nor that people should wait for it, but it could happen.

[Winehole23]

The bolded begs the question. You've not established genocide is being carried out or even attempted. Your attempt to illustrate it had a quote that mentioned ethnic cleansing, but not genocide. I think the conditions of Geneva Article 2 have already been met. I can tick them off for you or you can read for yourself, I posted them upstream. Imho Bibi's reference to Samuel 1, comparing Palestinians to the Amalekites and the IDF guy saying "there are no innocents in Gaza" pretty much establish genocidal intent, taken together with other statements by officialdom and the wanton collective punishment of noncombatants.

As for ethnic cleansing, the intent is abundantly clear, Israel is begging Arab countries to take the Palestinians with no luck so far. All that is lacking is the execution. We'll see on that count.


That's twice you've used the bad "kill your wife" analogy. If you killed my hypothetical wife I'd call the cops. If you barricaded yourself into a room with your family and fired rounds at the cops, you'd be putting the lives of your family in danger. Do you think it would be the fault of the cops if your family died in the crossfire?I was trying to make a point about proportionality, not to make a precise analogy. No doubt there are better ones. Not sure yours is so great either. The IDF killing 10,000 children and babies because Hamas is or might be nearby rings false. Gaza isn't a house with a barricaded shooter. Hamas may be well hidden in Gaza, but Gaza isn't a house. It's an occupied territory with ~2.3 million people. Scale matters.

[Winehole23]

There's no guarantee of symmetry when you commit heinous acts like Hamas did, none at all. They attacked then ran back into hiding within the civilian population. It was them, not Israel, who made that decision.In passing, I'll point out again that the Hamas operation was significantly military in nature, they fucking pinned down the IDF for like half a day, and about 1/4 of the people killed were IDF and reservists. Hamas didn't go in there with the sole aim of killing civilians, they took on the military too, and frankly pantsed them. From a combination of hubris and ineptitude, the IDF was unready. They were too busy cracking heads in the West Bank and protecting violent settlers.

Also , it was sabbath and a religious holiday, so many of them took the day off, even though there was available intelligence indicating a proximate attack.

[Winehole23]

One IDF base was evacuated and they left their dead behind.

[Tyronn Lue]

Sein Fein resisted English occupation terroristically and got a seat at the bargaining table when it became clear there was no military solution. I'm not saying that should happen, nor that it is likely, nor that people should wait for it, but it could happen.
Sinn Fein wasn't a sole governing body. There was a solution proposed that didn't include the deaths of the entire country. Hamas doesn't have a negotiation goal, they will continue to try to eliminate the state of Israel. They are not looking for a seat at any table, they've had that option for decades. At some point you have to admit there's no compromise with them.

I think the conditions of Geneva Article 2 have already been met. I can tick them off for you or you can read for yourself, I posted them upstream. Imho Bibi's reference to Samuel 1, comparing Palestinians to the Amalekites and the IDF guy saying "there are no innocents in Gaza" pretty much establish genocidal intent, taken together with other statements by officialdom and the wanton collective punishment of noncombatants.

I was trying to make a point about proportionality, not to make a precise analogy. No doubt there are better ones. Not sure yours is so great either. The IDF killing 10,000 children and babies because Hamas is or might be nearby rings false.It's simple actually. Hamas made a choice and they are still making a choice, and their people are paying the price for it. You want the IDF to show mercy, Hamas did not show any mercy. Let's start there instead of skipping over it.


In passing, I'll point out again that the Hamas operation was significantly military in nature, they fucking pinned down the IDF for like half a day, and about 1/4 of the people killed were IDF and reservists. Hamas didn't go in there with the sole aim of killing civilians, they took on the military too, and frankly pantsed them. From a combination of hubris and ineptitude, the IDF was unready. They were too busy cracking heads in the West Bank and protecting violent settlers.

Also , it was sabbath and a religious holiday, so many of them took the day off, even though there was available intelligence indicating a proximate attack.So when Hamas enters and kills scores of civilians, it's a military action and the IDF were pantsed. When the IDF is bombing Gaza back into the Jesus era, it's genocide. Odd since IDF didn't go there with the sole aim of killing civilians. They took on the military too and frankly unpantsed them.

[Winehole23]

Sinn Fein wasn't a governing body. There was a solution proposed that didn't include the deaths of the entire country. Hamas doesn't have a negotiation goal, they will continue to try to eliminate the state of Israel. They are not looking for a seat at any table, they've had that option for decades. At some point you have to admit there's no compromise with them.
It's simple actually. Hamas made a choice and they are still making a choice, and their people are paying the price for it. You want the IDF to show mercy, Hamas did not show any mercy. Let's start there instead of skipping over it.

So when Hamas enters and kills scores of civilians, it's a military action and the IDF were pantsed. When the IDF is bombing Gaza back into the Jesus era, it's genocide. Odd since IDF didn't go there with the sole aim of killing civilians. They took on the military too and frankly unpantsed them.Eh, now you're talking about me. No matter.

Israel is losing strategically. They're sating the bloodlust of the nation while shooting themselves in the foot. If they fail to eliminate Hamas, they'll be stuck as genocidaires.

This is a likely outcome, imho.

[Tyronn Lue]

One IDF base was evacuated and they left their dead behind.
Is this an attempt a scoreboarding for Hamas?

[Winehole23]

Is this an attempt a scoreboarding for Hamas?No, it underscores Israel's failure of responsibility to defend itself.

[Tyronn Lue]

Eh, now you're talking about me. No matter.

Israel is losing strategically. They're sating the bloodlust of the nation while shooting themselves in the foot. If they fail to eliminate Hamas, they'll be stuck as genocidaires.

This is a likely outcome, imho.
If you need to use bad analogies and poor comparisons along with manufactured death tolls, what's your message? Is it that the killing needs to stop? Because I agree. That message can be said without stumping for Hamas. I'd think you're Palestinian by your apparent bias here. There's no need to ignore the acts committed by Hamas in order to say innocent lives are being lost.

Israel will be business as usual when the dust settles, because they are a nuclear nation with a powerful ally. I'd be surprised if anything is done about any of it. Already there's little information about the daily goings on there.

[Winehole23]

To think that Hamas's raison d'etre is the elimination of Israel, and that there is no possibility Hamas could try to invade and kill people is dissonant.

[Tyronn Lue]

To think that Hamas's raison d'etre is the elimination of Israel, and that there is no possibility Hamas could try to invade and kill people is dissonant.
Thus why the IDF thinks total elimination of Hamas is necessary. It seems you understand this.

[Winehole23]

If you need to use bad analogies and poor comparisons along with manufactured death tolls, what's your message? Is it that the killing needs to stop? Because I agree. That message can be said without stumping for Hamas. I'd think you're Palestinian by your apparent bias here. There's no need to ignore the acts committed by Hamas in order to say innocent lives are being lost.I'm not stumping for Hamas nor ignoring Hamas. I called their attack a bestial pogrom. I said they deserve to face war crimes accountability. You just don't like me criticizing Israel, it seems. And that's fine.

I got the same kind of grief when I criticized the Iraq invasion.

[Winehole23]

Have you read Geneva Article 2? Where has Israel come up short?

[Winehole23]

Thus why the IDF thinks total elimination of Hamas is necessary. It seems you understand this.Yeah, but I don't think they're justified in killing Gazans wholesale to do it. I guess we differ on this.

[Tyronn Lue]

I'm not stumping for Hamas nor ignoring Hamas.
You say this as if it's true when in fact you've done just that. You said it's not their fault, before saying it's their fault.

I called their attack a bestial pogrom. You just don't like me criticizing Israel, it seems. And that's fine.

Israel needs to be criticized. They are responsible for the safety of their citizens and they dropped the ball. I don't agree with how you dismissed the "bestial pogrom" as if it was done by a small group of fringe activists instead of the governing body of the Palestinians.


I got the same kind of grief when I criticized the Iraq invasion.
The underdog championing syndrome can lead someone to ignore facts. There's no reason to invoke Iraq here though, just as there's no reason to drag Sinn Fein or Mandela into it. Just the facts of this particular event are enough.

[Winehole23]

Israel gets to hate Palestinians, steal their land, starve, kill and oppress them, but Palestinians don't get to hate them back.

[Tyronn Lue]

Have you read Geneva Article 2? Where has Israel come up short?
Ask that question of both parties, then we have a conversation.

[Tyronn Lue]

Israel gets to hate Palestinians, steal their land, starve, kill and oppress them, but Palestinians don't get to hate them back.
inshallah.

[Tyronn Lue]

Either way Happy New Year Winehole23. I hope the conflict finds a more peaceful resolution sooner than later.

[Winehole23]

You say this as if it's true when in fact you've done just that. You said it's not their fault, before saying it's their fault.I thought you accepted my clarification that Hamas is responsible for the fact of retaliation but not the manner. It's OK if you've changed your mind.


Israel needs to be criticized. They are responsible for the safety of their citizens and they dropped the ball. I don't agree with how you dismissed the "bestial pogrom" as if it was done by a small group of fringe activists instead of the governing body of the Palestinians.
No, I assigned responsibility to Hamas. I didn't call them a fringe group. Calling Oct 7th a bestial pogrom isn't minimizing, it's strong --and fully intended -- derogatory language.


IThe underdog championing syndrome can lead someone to ignore facts. There's no reason to invoke Iraq here though, just as there's no reason to drag Sinn Fein or Mandela into it. Just the facts of this particular event are enough.Ok, does Israel's response satisfy the elements of Geneva 2? Seems pretty clear cut to me. According to the treaty definition, only one of these conditions need be present. Seems to me all but (e) are already in evidence.


Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:(a) Killing members of the group;(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20P unishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

[Winehole23]

Either way Happy New Year Winehole23. I hope the conflict finds a more peaceful resolution sooner than later.Happy New Year, Tyrone Lue!

I hope the same.

[Winehole23]

Ask that question of both parties, then we have a conversation.you ducked

[Winehole23]

There's an argument to be had Hamas are genocidaires too. Precisely why I said Hamas should be liable for war crimes too. But you ignore that for some reason, setting aside the power asymmetry that you like to emphasize elsewhere. Scale and power to impose death matter. Proportionality matters.

I don't see good guys on either side.

[Winehole23]

It's way fucked up that Hamas came into political power basically because the US insisted Hamas be legalized as a political party in 2006, because democracy was supposed to save the Middle East, or so we thought. Israel didn't want to do it, but knuckled under to Condi Rice, who was shocked when Hamas narrowly won.

Gaza hasn't had an election since. About 40% of the current population, IIRC, never got to vote for Hamas. And a little under half of those that did get to vote didn't. The margin of victory was ~3%. 44%-41% against Fatah, iirc.

[Winehole23]

Gazans are victims of Hamas too, but no one else is defending them against the settler colonial power that has imposed a brutal blockade, half throttling the whole society for 15 years. Short of forced removal and genocide, only political/diplomatic solutions will obtain. It's telling that so many assume there is no alternative to killing and expelling Gazans.

[Winehole23]

When Gideon Levy asked Ehud Barak "what would he would do if he were born Palestinian, he gave the only honest answer he could: 'I would join a terrorist organization'"

[Winehole23]

I'm not against Israel. I'm with Israeli peaceniks. If that means I'm against the policy of the political state, so be it. Israel is not just the state, it's the people too.

[Winehole23]

I'll say it again, what Israel is doing to Gaza is making Jews everywhere less safe, especially in Israel.

[velik_m]

As soon as it was declared that Netanyahu stays for the duration of war and he will be replaced only after the war, this became a forever war for Israel. This doesn't have a chance of ending with Netanyahu in charge.

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As soon as it was declared that Netanyahu stays for the duration of war and he will be replaced only after the war, this became a forever war for Israel. This doesn't have a chance of ending with Netanyahu in charge.

...wanna bet, little v? He's Biden's stooge now & daddy-O, he ain't goin' nowhere...cept to accept his Nobel Prize.

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I'll say it again, what Israel is doing to Gaza is making Jews everywhere less safe, especially in Israel.

...& don't forget the death camps, Winestein, ever. It's Jewish religion.

tee, hee.

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I'm not against Israel. I'm with Israeli peaceniks. If that means I'm against the policy of the political state, so be it. Israel is not just the state, it's the people too.

Yeah, but little old you, Winestein, buried in the asshole of the country yelling the bolded ain't heard. & CNN ain't gonna say it, ever. It's their religion.

You act smart & smart alecky, but you ain't got a clue, Winester.

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I'm not against Israel. I'm with Israeli peaceniks. If that means I'm against the policy of the political state, so be it. Israel is not just the state, it's the people too.

It only took, what, a few weeks of you prepping the Easy Bake Ovens to warrant you utterance of the bolded, eh, tights?

You're pretty wise, Winestein.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

Ben Gvir is promoting the eviction of Gazans from their own land.

Israel is openly lobbying for ethnic cleansing while starving and bombing civilians.


We must promote the solution to encourage the migration of Gaza residents. This is a correct, just, moral and humane solution. We have partners around the world that we can help. Encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza will allow us to bring home the residents of the Outaf and the residents of Gush Katif.

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[HemisfairArena]

Wineho,,,i hope your new years resolution is to stop wasting so much time on a sports forum and to actually live life,,,,,,

[Tyronn Lue]

Wineho,,,i hope your new years resolution is to stop wasting so much time on a sports forum and to actually live life,,,,,,
Why do you care? Maybe you should focus on your education.

[Winehole23]

As soon as it was declared that Netanyahu stays for the duration of war and he will be replaced only after the war, this became a forever war for Israel. This doesn't have a chance of ending with Netanyahu in charge.Very true but there are domestic constraints on Bibi short of a broader regional war. One of them is the economic cost of war, which is hurting Israel right now. Another is the captives of war, which in the current phase of aggression, Israel isn't prioritizing. There will be a political cost for that.

[Winehole23]

Fwiw, I have an active life outside this forum.

I work, I play soccer, I'm actively involved in the lives of my grandchildren. I have a happy home life with my wife. I dote on my friends and they dote on me.

Being a frequent poster doesn't interfere with any of these things. YMMV.

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Very true but there are domestic constraints on Bibi short of a broader regional war. One of them is the economic cost of war, which is hurting Israel right now. Another is the captives of war, which in the current phase of aggression, Israel isn't prioritizing. There will be a political cost for that.

Please. The U.S. is paying for this war, Winestein. "You pay for the war, Joe, and keep me in office till I'm a 100 and I'll do whatever you say. I'll tear down the new embassy that Trump built with my bare hands. I'll call Trump everything but a White man and I'll accuse him of touching my no-no secret place, and saying The Holocaust was a lie. Deal, Joe?"

"Deal, not where's your crapper, I just fouled myself."

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Fwiw, I have an active life outside this forum.

I work, I play soccer, I'm actively involved in the lives of my grandchildren. I have a happy home life with my wife. I dote on my friends and they dote on me.

Being a frequent poster doesn't interfere with any of these things. YMMV.

Yeah, lookin' up fancy words at the Library so you can keep up with me.

tee, hee.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fwiw, I have an active life outside this forum.

I work, I play soccer, I'm actively involved in the lives of my grandchildren. I have a happy home life with my wife. I dote on my friends and they dote on me.

Being a frequent poster doesn't interfere with any of these things. YMMV.

And you are in a band where you argue with the lead singer. I love story time.

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And you are in a band where you argue with the lead singer. I love story time.

Ain't he a son-of-a-bitch, Lumps?

[Winehole23]

Ben Gvir and Smotrich's statements lack the inadvertence of a Kinsley gaffe (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kinsley_gaffe) but share the tactlessness. They reveal an intention it were better not to mention.

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wine is finding an Israeli that has the stance he is handwaving at. They must all be like that amirite?

[Winehole23]

Ben Gvir not backing down


Really appreciate the United States of America but with all due respect we are not another star on the American flag. The United States is our best friend, but first of all we will do what is best for the State of Israel: the migration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow the residents of the enclave to return home and live in security and protect the IDF soldiers.https://twitter.com/itamarbengvir/status/1742291293307310186

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Ben Gvir and Smotrich's statements lack the inadvertence of a Kinsley gaffe (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kinsley_gaffe) but share the tactlessness. They reveal an intention it were better not to mention.

1742282740085424163

...&&& CNN will make damn sure that (rejection) is duly reported on the hour, every hour. Biden already okay'ed the bombing by the Jews onto the Ham's. And that bombing was Duvall's "back to the stone age" variety.

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Wine is finding an Israeli that has the stance he is handwaving at. They must all be like that amirite?

He's heavily conflicted and chock full a shit, Lumps.

Yesterday he covered his wooden ass by this utterance... [[[I'm not against Israel.]]]

[Winehole23]

"even left wingers agree with me"

that the war cabinet takes no pains to distance itself from such comments is damning.


Israeli lawmaker Moshe Saada from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party said on Tuesday that recent widespread calls to "destroy" the residents of the Gaza Strip affirm that the right-wing was right.

In an interview on pro-Netanyahu Channel 14 (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-10/ty-article/.premium/israels-fox-news-found-guilty-of-excluding-reform-conservative-jews/00000185-9c19-da33-a9e7-fc597e280000), Saada said that even "in the kibbutzim they say, 'destroy them.' My friends at the prosecutor's office, who fought with me on political matters, in debates, tell me, 'Moshe, it is clear that all the Gazans (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-10/ty-article/.premium/gazas-humanitarian-crisis-turns-into-a-strategic-weapon-for-israel/0000018b-b931-d03e-a3ab-bbbd43530000) need to be destroyed,' and these are statements I have never heard." This proves, he said, that the right-wing was correct just as it was on the Palestinian issue.https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-03/ty-article/its-clear-to-everyone-gazans-must-be-destroyed-israeli-lawmaker-says/0000018c-ce57-ddba-abad-cef736e40000

[Winehole23]

Prosperity Guardian is a flop

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GC6t-J-WYAAfdAJ?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

ethnic cleansing is being touted as the humanitarian option


The Times of Israel’s Hebrew sister-site Zman Yisrael reports that Israeli officials have held clandestine talks with the African nation of Congo and several others for the potential acceptance of Gaza emigrants.
“Congo will be willing to take in migrants, and we’re in talks with others,” a senior source in the security cabinet tells Shalom Yerushalmi.

Yerushalmi quotes Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel saying at the Knesset yesterday: “At the end of the war Hamas rule will collapse, there are no municipal authorities, the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-officials-said-in-talks-with-congo-others-on-taking-in-gaza-emigrants/

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ethnic cleansing is being touted as the humanitarian option

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-officials-said-in-talks-with-congo-others-on-taking-in-gaza-emigrants/

You're finally starting to get it, Winestein. Only because you're sitting with the (loser) for once, and you chose that position:::bully, bully for you. Yeah, you understand fully how ethnic cleaning was once condemned, in grave, hushed tones, but is now (good).

The Education of Winester is upon us..."That fuckin' Dale knows his shit and is spot on here, but, I can't rally him, in the broad daylight. I'll go play with the grandkids instead."


tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

The source of the criticism of Israel’s air war in Gaza is a desire to see all parties comply with the law, protect civilians, free the hostages, and end this conflict. I recognize Hamas is not a lawful actor. Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as shields and has committed unspeakable war crimes. Israel has a right to defend itself, but that right isn’t unlimited. The IDF says it upholds international humanitarian law, but it’s hard to see how the conduct of the air campaign in Gaza is lawful.https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/legal-questions-answered-and-unanswered-in-israel-s-air-war-in-gaza

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https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/legal-questions-answered-and-unanswered-in-israel-s-air-war-in-gaza


You're finally starting to get it, Winestein. Only because you're sitting with the (loser) for once, and you chose that position:::bully, bully for you. Yeah, you understand fully how ethnic cleaning was once condemned, in grave, hushed tones, but is now (good).

The Education of Winester is upon us..."That fuckin' Dale knows his shit and is spot on here, but, I can't rally him, in the broad daylight. I'll go play with the grandkids instead."


tee, hee.

[Tyronn Lue]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/middleeast/iran-explosions-soleimani-ceremony-intl/index.html

Mossad?

[Winehole23]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/middleeast/iran-explosions-soleimani-ceremony-intl/index.html

Mossad?US is pointing the finger at ISIS, but who knows

[Tyronn Lue]

ethnic cleansing is being touted as the humanitarian option

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-officials-said-in-talks-with-congo-others-on-taking-in-gaza-emigrants/
That region will likely never stabilize.

[Winehole23]

That region will likely never stabilize.what, the DRC?

[Tyronn Lue]

US is pointing the finger at ISIS, but who knows
IDF said they have acted in 6 of the regions they claim are partly responsible for the attack on Oct 7th. I don't know if they had acted in Iran at that time, but also not sure they'd target random people. Remote detonation from a suitcase bomb doesn't sound like ISIS but who knows.

[Tyronn Lue]

what, the DRC?
The middle east especially between Israel and the Arab countries.

[Winehole23]

IDF said they have acted in 6 of the regions they claim are partly responsible for the attack on Oct 7th. I don't know if they had acted in Iran at that time, but also not sure they'd target random people.Getting the US to go to war with Lebanon and Iran might be the aim. Goading a retaliatory strike on Israel could be one way to do that. Officialdom in Israel has been mum about the bombing, but people are congratulating Mossad and the government.

[Winehole23]

The middle east especially between Israel and the Arab countries.I was being half-facetious. There's a terrible civil war in Congo right now.

[Tyronn Lue]

I was being half-facetious. There's a terrible civil war in Congo right now.
Human lives seem less valuable there, no one seems to get up in arms about millions of deaths there, no social media points to be had.

[Winehole23]

Human lives seem less valuable there, no one seems to get up in arms about millions of deaths there, no social media points to be had.Hidden cost of cobalt, copper, gold, lithium and industrial diamonds remains hidden. Conspicuous consumption items like diamond gemstones are easier to demonize than lithium-ion batteries.

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https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/legal-questions-answered-and-unanswered-in-israel-s-air-war-in-gaza


That region will likely never stabilize.

True, there is no money in stabilization wherever man dwells. Just doesn't feed the MIC's.

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Human lives seem less valuable there, no one seems to get up in arms about millions of deaths there, no social media points to be had.

True, there is no money in (peace & contentment)...the MIC's are living proof that it's a Godsend of money, without end. All it costs is lives. We're taking a break ourselves from those lives being lost. Nobody, but your's truly wants to see Biden back out at Dover with his watch. But thru a redirect Biden has found a way to keep the MIC pumping until the American public will once again (AND THEY WILL) stand for the aforementioned Biden to be back out there at Dover, with the aforementioned watch.

[Tyronn Lue]

Hidden cost of cobalt, copper, gold, lithium and industrial diamonds remains hidden. Conspicuous consumption items like diamond gemstones are easier to demonize than lithium-ion batteries.
Maybe if they had a cool slogan or a flag we could wave.

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Getting the US to go to war with Lebanon and Iran might be the aim. Goading a retaliatory strike on Israel could be one way to do that. Officialdom in Israel has been mum about the bombing, but people are congratulating Mossad and the government.

Yes, Biden is like a bull in a China closet he really wants it with Iran. And Iran is just as eager to get to it with him. Aside from $6 a gallon gas again I ain't adverse to it. Whatever keeps this country on pins & needles---needles & pins is Jake with Dale.

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Maybe if they had a cool slogan or a flag we could wave.

You blew it when you threatened to blow up & decapitate Trump. You've only yourselves to blame, Lue.

[Winehole23]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/middleeast/iran-explosions-soleimani-ceremony-intl/index.html

Mossad?just vibes, this feels more MEK-style

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was being half-facetious. There's a terrible civil war in Congo right now.

No, there is not. There is genocide and ethnic cleansing going on in the Sudan however. Villages torched, rape culture, child soldiers, and such.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Youtube is censoring combat commentary hardcore. Apparently commenters cannot even show destroyed buildings because it triggers people.

[pgardn]

Youtube is censoring combat commentary hardcore. Apparently commenters cannot even show destroyed buildings because it triggers people.

I know they have been censoring heavily during periods in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
They could show destruction of vehicles but not if people were a part of the scene.
They would show injured soldiers trying to regain their ability to move, but they would leave out the footage that showed the actual explosion or whatever that led to the injury.
Its been fairly squirrelly on rules. Lots of analysts trying to assess situations would tell the audience to watch their telegram footage to the audience watching the entire event.
So again interesting. They are picking and choosing which conflicts they are letting be shown. And then even the content has been contradictory in the level of violence youtube allows to be shown in a particular conflict.

[Tyronn Lue]

You blew it when you threatened to blow up & decapitate Trump. You've only yourselves to blame, Lue.
I hope the Suns ring this year.

[Tyronn Lue]

I know they have been censoring heavily during periods in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
They could show destruction of vehicles but not if people were a part of the scene.
They would show injured soldiers trying to regain their ability to move, but they would leave out the footage that showed the actual explosion or whatever that led to the injury.
Its been fairly squirrelly on rules. Lots of analysts trying to assess situations would tell the audience to watch their telegram footage to the audience watching the entire event.
So again interesting. They are picking and choosing which conflicts they are letting be shown. And then even the content has been contradictory in the level of violence youtube allows to be shown in a particular conflict.
But you can watch Apache gunships killing Taliban left and right.

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Youtube is censoring combat commentary hardcore. Apparently commenters cannot even show destroyed buildings because it triggers people.

& if there is one 12-year-old left alive in Nazi occupied Ukraine...I'm a monkey's ass.

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But you can watch Apache gunships killing Taliban left and right.

Dummy, those people ain't White.

Both Russians & the Nazi's in Ukraine are White.

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I hope the Suns ring this year.

Sure, you've never been able to separate situations. You've always dove for the lower rung. I would never do that to you, Lue.

Those facts aside, I ain't got much to stop 'em in the pipeline. Before it's over I'll be banking on the Celtics come June. And will do so without an ounce of restraint, nor regret. For lack of a different prose..."Whatever it takes."

[Tyronn Lue]

Sure, you've never been able to separate situations. You've always dove for the lower rung. I would never do that to you, Lue.

Those facts aside, I ain't got much to stop 'em in the pipeline. Before it's over I'll be banking on the Celtics come June. And will do so without an ounce of restraint, nor regret. For lack of a different prose..."Whatever it takes."
No, you'll come here when you sense the end is near and the Suns advance, and you'll offer another olive branch in hopes of a stay of execution. It's your religion.

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No, you'll come here when you sense the end is near and the Suns advance, and you'll offer another olive branch in hopes of a stay of execution. It's your religion.

Sure, I ain't gonna abandon ship when the Suns ring. I'll stand the gaffe and congratulate them no end. I ain't gonna do what you guys do when the Lakers ring...

"It was rigged.
"The officials were complicit."
"I'm just not counting it. No way. It doesn't countPERIOD"

Now, that's what was said when Trump made President.
Here is what is said when the Lakers ring...

"It was rigged."
"The referees were complicit."
"I'm just not counting it. No way. It does not countPERIOD"

Let us proceed...

[Ef-man]

US is pointing the finger at ISIS, but who knows


ISIS has claimed responsibility for the deadly twin blasts near the burial site of slain military commander Qasem Soleimani in southern Iran.

https://www.cnn.com/iran-islamic-state-attack-kerman-int (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/middleeast/iran-islamic-state-attack-kerman-intl/index.html)l

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1742965578023739669

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Sure, I ain't gonna abandon ship when the Suns ring. I'll stand the gaffe and congratulate them no end. I ain't gonna do what you guys do when the Lakers ring...

"It was rigged.
"The officials were complicit."
"I'm just not counting it. No way. It doesn't countPERIOD"

Now, that's what was said when Trump made President.
Here is what is said when the Lakers ring...

"It was rigged."
"The referees were complicit."
"I'm just not counting it. No way. It does not countPERIOD"

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the deadly twin blasts near the burial site of slain military commander Qasem Soleimani in southern Iran.

(https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/middleeast/iran-islamic-state-attack-kerman-intl/index.html)https://www.cnn.com/iran-islamic-state-attack-kerman-intlGuess we didn't destroy ISIS. They just attacked Iran.

[hater]

:lmao sandal wearing camel fucker houthis ruling the Red Sea

:lmao US led defense operation end in embarrassment as all countries quit :lmao

Meanwhile Lloyd Austin's sex change operation goes badly and it's kept secret from public

Smdh

https://x.com/wayemeru/status/1744104701627334696

[Thread]

:lmao sandal wearing camel fucker houthis ruling the Red Sea

:lmao US led defense operation end in embarrassment as all countries quit :lmao

Meanwhile Lloyd Austin's sex change operation goes badly and it's kept secret from public

Smdh

https://x.com/wayemeru/status/1744104701627334696

Well, the slant eyed son-of-a-bitches killed over a million of our people and Biden told 'em..."Thank you, may I have another!"

[Ef-man]

FA and FO

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1744377448962068498

[Ef-man]

Et tu Elon?

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1744491059273445393

[hater]

https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1744676718999195808

[lefty]

Sooooo....


About those pedophile jews underground tunnels in NY

[Ef-man]

Guess he forgot that he was a wanted man

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1744757285942092086

[Thread]

Sooooo....


About those pedophile jews underground tunnels in NY

Mazeltoph!!!

[Ef-man]

It is almost FA and FO time

https://x.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1745518244797034712

[Ef-man]

They were warned

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1745598717254672634

[hater]

:lmao of course they bomb sandal wearing camel toes :lmao

That's all they can do :lmao

Bombing sandal wearing cave dwellers and boasting about it :lmao :lol

[Thread]

They were warned

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1745598717254672634

Fortunately, both Biden & Yahoo weren't.

tee, hee.

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1745643619942334515

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1745638594348265554

[Thread]

Mazeltoph!!!

[ElNono]

det sound of freedom...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVglHsCQAE316c.jpg

[Thread]

2 facts here for Dale...That fuck Yahoo turned Trump at the last. That's 1. 2. That fuck Biden is a squattin' barrel-a-shit.

Light that ass up, Ham & Iran.

Let us proceed...

[Ef-man]

Don't start none, won't be none.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1746011679664513151

[Ef-man]

Ole Joe opened dat can of whoop ass

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1745931726411444257

[hater]

:wow

She's got some balls

https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1747412185305796900

[Ef-man]

FAFO

CNN: Pakistan carries out military strikes on separatist targets in Iran following deadly attack on its own soil by Tehran


Pakistan carried out a series of deadly military strikes on what it said were separatist militant hideouts inside Iran, in the latest incident across their shared border that has sent tensions between the two neighbors soaring.

The new strikes mean both Pakistan and Iran have now taken the extraordinary step of attacking militants on each other’s soil this week at a time of expanding conflict in the Middle East and wider region.

Islamabad said Thursday its forces launched a “series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted precision military strikes” in Iran’s southeastern Sistan and Baluchistan province as part of an operation called “Marg Bar Sarmachar” — a phrase which loosely translates to “death to the guerrilla fighters.”

A “number” of militants were killed during the operation, Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry added.

Tehran demanded “an immediate explanation” from Pakistan over the strikes, Iranian state-aligned Tasnim news agency reported, citing an official.

[Thread]

Youtube is censoring combat commentary hardcore. Apparently commenters cannot even show destroyed buildings because it triggers people.

- "And if you think we're forgetting about this, you're wrong. This is big time, baby."

- "Ace Merrill" - "Stand by Me"

[Thread]

2 facts here for Dale...That fuck Yahoo turned Trump at the last. That's 1. 2. That fuck Biden is a squattin' barrel-a-shit.

Light that ass up, Ham & Iran.

Let us proceed...

[hater]

"there's no way this ends and doesn't leave Israel a pariah state under occupation and apartheid on borrowed time"


What a fucking quote :wow


Bad ass sheet

[hater]

Lav

https://x.com/thesiriusreport/status/1747971123688456371

[hater]

How it started:

Gaza in 5 days


How it's going:

https://x.com/Sprinter99800/status/1747717091321622578


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lol :lol

:lmao

[Thread]

How it started:

Gaza in 5 days


How it's going:

https://x.com/Sprinter99800/status/1747717091321622578


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lol :lol

:lmao

[Thread]

Lav

https://x.com/thesiriusreport/status/1747971123688456371

GD rights!!!

Lav

[Thread]

"there's no way this ends and doesn't leave Israel a pariah state under occupation and apartheid on borrowed time"


What a fucking quote :wow


Bad ass sheet

CNN, in close association with the State Dept., will see Israel thru it...with a Nobel next to Yahoo's Yamaka on the mantle before New Year's Day.

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1748083813975052535

[Thread]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1748083813975052535

Impatience waiting for the children to step down from the plane returning home from Afghanistan...mama & papa are waiting as well.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTb14cSi0LOgiHGZH2qG-oo6AJXDd6qKbC9pAK0IOLyv_afqMyrwOft4j5_aA&s

[ElNono]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1748083813975052535

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Thread]

Impatience waiting for the children to step down from the plane returning home from Afghanistan...mama & papa are waiting as well.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTb14cSi0LOgiHGZH2qG-oo6AJXDd6qKbC9pAK0IOLyv_afqMyrwOft4j5_aA&s


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[pgardn]

Israel bombs Iran revolutionary guard in Syria.


Some in EU suggest Israel helped create Hamas.


US accepts invitation to blow up Houthis backed by Iran.

[FrostKing]

Has Israel made any progress or still just bombing (our money)

Iran getting involved. Can't take a que from their neighbors? This isn't 2015, you aren't gonna force this conflict into Europe. We are fed up and deporting. Maybe worse. In my lifetime I've never seen Europeans like this. I really hope foreigners behave.

[FrostKing]

.

[pgardn]

Has Israel made any progress or still just bombing (our money)

Iran getting involved. Can't take a que from their neighbors? This isn't 2015, you aren't gonna force this conflict into Europe. We are fed up and deporting. Maybe worse. In my lifetime I've never seen Europeans like this. I really hope foreigners behave.

The largest most costly modern wars were fought on European soil.
The most costly war NOW is being fought on European soil.
If you have not noticed, dictators running European countries have caused massive instability in Europe historically. Huge conflicts.

Get a clue please. Putin is a dictator and is doing what dictators do.
So depressing you are ashamed of Europe... It pains the board you are ashamed instead of actually looking into the leaders and economic/political situations causing the largest wars.

In your lifetime... this is not new stuff. You need to read about things that happened before you were born. You get Woke now?

This is you basic Trumpish attitude. No clue as to any sort of patterns in conflict. Just walk into the middle of a complex movie and think you know everything.
Like our dominating the AIR during the revolutionary war? Can you imagine the backlash if Biden said something like this... Stupid fker files around in planes and has now clue how long they have been around. "Oh they invented the wheel immediately after airplanes were invented so they could land properly" Jesus...

[Thread]

Has Israel made any progress or still just bombing (our money)

Iran getting involved. Can't take a que from their neighbors? This isn't 2015, you aren't gonna force this conflict into Europe. We are fed up and deporting. Maybe worse. In my lifetime I've never seen Europeans like this. I really hope foreigners behave.

The latter. Nothing compares to (money from home) wherever man dwells, or, at whatever age.

[Winehole23]

Bibi and his far right ear cabinet remaining in power is another strong incentive weighing against the hostages.

1748723048138555894

[hater]

So much winning

"To da Choppa!! Again!!!!" - Joe Biden



https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1750197018100719652

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bibi and his far right ear cabinet remaining in power is another strong incentive weighing against the hostages.

1748723048138555894

Typically in standoffs with hostage negotiation involved it is not policy for the police to let the hostage taker go and hope they release them. You can imagine what Israeli thought on that is given their history in being taken captive.

What is sad is that Hamas could have built comprehensive public systems with the effort they put into the their military infrastructure.

[Thread]

Typically in standoffs with hostage negotiation involved it is not policy for the police to let the hostage taker go and hope they release them. You can imagine what Israeli thought on that is given their history in being taken captive.

What is sad is that Hamas could have built comprehensive public systems with the effort they put into the their military infrastructure.

...they knew to do so (public systems) would be for naught, but, that they could inflict maximum damage to the Jews thru the "Pearl Harbor" sneak attack mode and then run like hell back to the caves before America could kibbutz forth. That's their "victory." And as good as it was gonna get and it would not get that good ever again. They caught the Jews sleepin', banged 'em and we're here and soon to be there with the old tried & true suicide vests in the Jewish marketplace every other month.

[hater]

:lmao

https://x.com/BfffTnnn/status/1750180593470411031

[CosmicCowboy]

Ole Joe opened dat can of whoop ass

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1745931726411444257

328 million dollars of cruise missiles last night

[MultiTroll]

328 million dollars of cruise missiles last night
Don't screw with the oil co's shipping paths? :lol

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1750118363467059585

[Ef-man]

328 million dollars of cruise missiles last night

Getting rid of old inventory, nice!

[ChumpDumper]

328 million dollars of cruise missiles last night

Could've used your bean counting the last two decades tbh.

Why now?

[Winehole23]

Could've used your bean counting the last two decades tbh.

Why now?Because Brandon.

Board Republicans didn't think Yemen worth mentioning/responding to when we were helping the KSA bomb Yemen under Trump or even when Obama was hitting them with drones.

[Tyronn Lue]

Bibi and his far right ear cabinet remaining in power is another strong incentive weighing against the hostages.

1748723048138555894
This is likely considered from the onset. Once the Westerners lost interest due to a new episode of The Bachelor, IDF is free to carry out scorched Earth.

[Winehole23]

This is likely considered from the onset. Once the Westerners lost interest due to a new episode of The Bachelor, IDF is free to carry out scorched Earth.It's certain that Israel killed hostages on Oct 7th. Those weren't the only ones, either.

[hater]

https://x.com/CensoredNws/status/1750169269961097378

:lmao :lmao :lol

[Tyronn Lue]

Getting rid of old inventory, nice!
Cowboy's notation was as if the US was going to recoup the money from them otherwise and build streets in Oakland.

[Thread]

This is likely considered from the onset. Once the Westerners lost interest due to a new episode of The Bachelor, IDF is free to carry out scorched Earth.

Reminds me of The Holocaust, Lue.

[hater]

Reminds me of The Holocaust, Lue.

:lmao

Funny retort


True statement

[Ef-man]

Cowboy's notation was as if the US was going to recoup the money from them otherwise and build streets in Oakland.

He was just being a boomer: complain if Joe did something, complain if he did nothing.

Just waiting to him speak about not enough thoughts and prayers.

[Thread]

Don't screw with the oil co's shipping paths? :lol


Do you want Biden being led by the Jill's hand this time fist bumping MBS over at his house again begging for that black gold, that Texas tea?

[Proxy]

Netanyahu, Abbott, Jinping, Houthis all cucking Genocide Brandon Joe

[CosmicCowboy]

He was just being a boomer: complain if Joe did something, complain if he did nothing.

Just waiting to him speak about not enough thoughts and prayers.

Sorry facts bother you.

[Ef-man]

Sorry facts bother you.

Your facts are not facts.

Attacking Houthi targets with 80 Tomahawk missiles was not $320M.

According to a contract announcement from 2022, each Tomahawk costs about $1.4 million; for a total of about $112M not $320M for 80 missiles.

https://news.usni.org/2022/05/25/raytheon-awarded-217m-tomahawk-missiles-contract-for-navy-marines-army (https://news.usni.org/2022/05/25/raytheon-awarded-217m-tomahawk-missiles-contract-for-navy-marines-army)

"The Navy on Tuesday issued Raytheon a $217 million contract to build 154 Tomahawk missiles for the Navy, Army and Marine Corps, the Defense Department announced."

Another cow intestines fact buddy boy :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry facts bother you.

Where did you that talking point?

[hater]

:lmao :lmao

Holeeee sheet

US is losing naval battles to the Houthis now :lmao :lmao :lmao


What the fuck is going on :pctoss

:lol

https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1750407537483243690

[CosmicCowboy]

Not everyone regurgitates talking points like you. i just did simple math on a sale of cruise missiles to Australia.

[CosmicCowboy]

Your facts are not facts.

Attacking Houthi targets with 80 Tomahawk missiles was not $320M.

According to a contract announcement from 2022, each Tomahawk costs about $1.4 million; for a total of about $112M not $320M for 80 missiles.

https://news.usni.org/2022/05/25/raytheon-awarded-217m-tomahawk-missiles-contract-for-navy-marines-army (https://news.usni.org/2022/05/25/raytheon-awarded-217m-tomahawk-missiles-contract-for-navy-marines-army)

"The Navy on Tuesday issued Raytheon a $217 million contract to build 154 Tomahawk missiles for the Navy, Army and Marine Corps, the Defense Department announced."

Another cow intestines fact buddy boy :lol

https://apnews.com/article/australia-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-us-aukus-df99c77e0f3dcc09c919f1245bb09c63

guess there was a price increase since your dated article

[hater]

:lmao :lmao

The Begging

:lol

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1750570160023355689

[Ef-man]

https://apnews.com/article/australia-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-us-aukus-df99c77e0f3dcc09c919f1245bb09c63

guess there was a price increase since your dated article

Keep digging buddy. :lol

Two items: Did Australia fire those missiles? 2022 is dated for US military purchase for Tomahawks used in 2024?

Those are the yet undelivered Tomahawk missiles in your article are for Australian submarines and they are paying $900M in Australian dollars which comes to about $2.6M USD per missile.

Not even then is it $320M USD.

Yup, another cow intestine fact :lmao :lmao :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Keep digging buddy. :lol

Two items: Did Australia fire those missiles? 2022 is dated for US military purchase for Tomahawks used in 2024?

Those are the yet undelivered Tomahawk missiles in your article are for Australian submarines and they are paying $900M in Australian dollars which comes to about $2.6M USD per missile.

Not even then is it $320M USD.

Yup, another cow intestine fact :lmao :lmao :lmao

Show where it said it was Australian dollars asshole.

[Thread]

Show where it said it was Australian dollars asshole.

That's our Effy...site asshole.

[Ef-man]

Show where it said it was Australian dollars asshole.

Show me where Australia fired tomahawks from submarines at Houthis to justify your $320M.

Go on, chop, chop.

[CosmicCowboy]

Show me where Australia fired tomahawks from submarines at Houthis to justify your $320M.

Go on, chop, chop.

LOL Elfass waves white flag.

[Ef-man]

LOL Elfass waves white flag.

Cow intestines math CC looking to save face, par.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/images/thumb/whitef_noun_002_41011.jpg?version=5.0.376

[Ef-man]

https://swandairy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/cows-digestive-system.jpg

[hater]

Great video on what's happening with Houthis :tu

Also great explanation on the Naval Battle we just lost to the Houthis :lmao

-tA7xfi8-mw

There's is no military way out of this besides American boots in Yemen


We gonna have to suck Chinese dick, Iranian dick and pay off the Houthis

:lmao

CE la vi

[CosmicCowboy]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/_aaq_Pu9PZYAAAAC/moving-goalposts.gif

[hater]

Great video on what's happening with Houthis :tu

Also great explanation on the Naval Battle we just lost to the Houthis :lmao

-tA7xfi8-mw

There's is no military way out of this besides American boots in Yemen


We gonna have to suck Chinese dick, Iranian dick and pay off the Houthis

:lmao

CE la vi

Best quotes:

"World wars have started because of what hourhis are doing"

"You think you are not affected. The pain is coming..."

[Ef-man]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZWJvanpremdyOWsza2tpczIyMXA3MjR jcWIyMDU5azU0YmhoaDJ4diZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/xT1R9WOmjrOPJvhLIk/giphy.gif

[Thread]

Best quotes:

"World wars have started because of what hourhis are doing"

"You think you are not affected. The pain is coming..."

[[[There's is no military way out of this besides American boots in Yemen]]]

Love the sound of that. That means Jill taking Joe, by the hand back out to Dover. "Where's my watch?"

"You're not wearing it."

"But, I..."

"We're leaving that fuckin' watch. Get in the fuckin' limo, Joe. Now, Joe, NOW! And as that fuck-face in Arizona states on that sports site; act like somebody."

[CosmicCowboy]

Houthis already ran the Saudi's out of Yemen.

[hater]

[[[There's is no military way out of this besides American boots in Yemen]]]

Love the sound of that. That means Jill taking Joe, by the hand back out to Dover. "Where's my watch?"

"You're not wearing it."

"But, I..."

"We're leaving that fuckin' watch. Get in the fuckin' limo, Joe. Now, Joe, NOW! And as that fuck-face in Arizona states on that sports site; act like somebody."

No there's no way we are going to war in Yemen.

At least not this year

We will pay off everyone. Including Bibi.

Houthis will actually be the ones to achieve peace in Gaza :lmao

Fucking badasses :tu

[Thread]

Houthis already ran the Saudi's out of Yemen.

AFTER the Saudi's had run Biden out of their house after he fist bumped MBS while beggin' for that black gold, that Texas tea.

[hater]

Nato is a walking war machine :lmao


Chinese on point again :lol

https://x.com/amborin/status/1750523522303295713

[Thread]

Nato is a walking war machine :lmao


Chinese on point again :lol

https://x.com/amborin/status/1750523522303295713

Putin did that.

tee, hee.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Houthis already ran the Saudi's out of Yemen.

In West Yemen, sure.

[ChumpDumper]

Not everyone regurgitates talking points like you. i just did simple math on a sale of cruise missiles to Australia.

So why do that now when you never have in your life?

[hater]

In West Yemen, sure.

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

So why do that now when you never have in your life?

Chump you don't know shit about me, but keep pulling shit out of your ass trying to start another pointless argument.

[hater]

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1750743967841521917

[Thread]

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1750743967841521917

And if China had said "yes" as soon as the genocide was over, we'd start divorce proceedings from them so the taint of genocide would be China's & China's alone..."They're terrible, we won't have anything to do with them going forward, until there is an accounting and even if there is one, we still won't talk to them except on rare occasions and even then maybe not. Our shit doesn't stink, their's does. God bless America."

[hater]

:lmao. Genocide Joe :lmao

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1750858473347187060

[hater]

:lmao the idiots in here who rooted for Genocide :lmao

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1750863818790474121

[Thread]

:lmao. Genocide Joe :lmao

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1750858473347187060

...but never actually will. They ain't layin' that Genocide on the Jews. No way, no how. The Jews have The Holocaust, that's it & that's all.

They're talking about running Yahoo off again. No way, they're just using him as the front man until CNN settles things down and we can go forward to that first Tuesday come November. We ain't there yet, not by a jugful we ain't, but those fucks in the State Dept., have a suspense file down to the exact dates all along the line.

[Winehole23]

ICJ finds South Africa's application plausible, orders provisional measures to prevent genocide.

The ICJ has zero power to enforce its orders, and this ruling didn't touch the merits of the case.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-gaza-provisional-ruling.html

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751277649924616249

[Thread]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751277649924616249

But Ham already hit the Jews,,,"4 O'clock this morning."

[Winehole23]

the West's response is to throttle aid to Gazans

1751263989965922472

[ChumpDumper]

Chump you don't know shit about me, but keep pulling shit out of your ass trying to start another pointless argument.

I do know you've never counted beans like this before here.

If you have, stop your meltdown and let me know.

[Thread]

I do know you've never counted beans like this before here.

If you have, stop your meltdown and let me know.

First Lumps cleaned your clock, now CC buffed it to the sheen.

ha, ha, Dumps, ha, ha.

[Ef-man]

MAGAs are conflicted on hearing this.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751355737853346204

[hater]

God bless these Jewish heroes

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1751968854715032015

[Ef-man]

Top UN court says Israel must take ‘all measures’ to prevent genocide in Gaza but stops short of calling for ceasefire.

Bibi has better lawyers than Yam Tits :lol

[Thread]

Top UN court says Israel must take ‘all measures’ to prevent genocide in Gaza but stops short of calling for ceasefire.

Bibi has better lawyers than Yam Tits :lol

...+ the Super Jew will end up with the damn Peace Prize.

tee, hee.

[Ef-man]

Today's Islamist terrorist, FAFO :lol

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751999754790158670

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751978184055066928

[hater]

...+ the Super Jew will end up with the damn Peace Prize.

tee, hee.

The US and lemmings are some genocidal terrorist asholes.

So nobel for Bibi would be possible.

US just provided him with a shit ton of bombs to obliterate children and babies.

Genocide Joe

[lefty]

Today's Islamist terrorist, FAFO :lol

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751999754790158670

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751978184055066928

jeez those dudes are weak
Knives, really?

What happened to good old fashioned rocket launcher?

[Thread]

jeez those dudes are weak
Knives, really?

What happened to good old fashioned rocket launcher?

...like the one the U.S. used on Iran a fortnight ago. "There, eat that." What happened in response? Joe has to go back out to Dover again. The children are comin' home.

[hater]

I remember they said the twin towers were taken down with box cutters

Or so the story goes...

[Ef-man]

jeez those dudes are weak
Knives, really?

What happened to good old fashioned rocket launcher?

It could have been worse but luckily, these dudes are part of the MAGAs of the Middle east

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751870942278558012

[Ef-man]

Another one FAFO

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751914868721000691

[Thread]

It could have been worse but luckily, these dudes are part of the MAGAs of the Middle east

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751870942278558012


Another one FAFO

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1751914868721000691


...like the one the U.S. used on Iran a fortnight ago. "There, eat that." What happened in response? Joe has to go back out to Dover again. The children are comin' home.

Let us proceed...

[hater]

:lmao :lmao

Talk about a genocidal maniac getting his shit pushed in :lmao

Blinkers :lmao

Cringe ass genocidal fuck :lol

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1752098384737955847

[lefty]

Lol Israeli terroriists