*** Official Israel vs Hamas war #13783478343 thread ***

[Winehole23]

Giving total license to violent retribution isn't the safe side, imho.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is like DeSantis saying saying we should shoot immigrants at the border because drug smugglers look like everyone else. It's a sadistic parody of reason and a cowardly abandonment of conscience.

DeSantis is desperate and losing his shit. He is trying to out Trump Trump.

[Spurs Homer]

I dont think Israel will be stopped by the hostages being used as pawns ...

Im thinking israel already figured those hostages are now just martyrs who they will praise and worship and bronze their names as the price israel paid for this war - and will let Hamas kill them all...

and then they will destroy anyone and everyone they feel like destroying now.

Bad gamble by Hamas - thinking the hostages taken were going to be their key to their own safety.

[Winehole23]

DeSantis is desperate and losing his shit. He is trying to out Trump Trump.DeSantis is a dead duck, but he isn't the only Republican talking this way.

[Winehole23]

"It's time to kiss doomsday"

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231010-israel-mk-says-use-doomsday-weapons-against-gaza/

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I dont think Israel will be stopped by the hostages being used as pawns ...

Im thinking israel already figured those hostages are now just martyrs who they will praise and worship and bronze their names as the price israel paid for this war - and will let Hamas kill them all...

and then they will destroy anyone and everyone they feel like destroying now.

Bad gamble by Hamas - thinking the hostages taken were going to be their key to their own safety.

...nonetheless, Homer, Ham took many scalps, counted many coup.

[Winehole23]

Background: Tally Gotliv was gagged, removed from committee assignments and barred from carrying legislation in June.

She doesn't have much pull in her own party. It's still amazing that any pol would support using nukes inside their own country, even polemically.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-mk-gotliv-sanctioned-booted-from-committees-after-causing-knesset-chaos/

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Background: Tally Gotliv was gagged, removed from committee assignments and barred from carrying legislation in June.

She doesn't have much pull in her own party. It's still amazing that any pol would support using nukes inside their own country, even polemically.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-mk-gotliv-sanctioned-booted-from-committees-after-causing-knesset-chaos/

...yahoo doesn't enjoy having egg on his face. tee, hee.

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DeSantis is a dead duck, but he isn't the only Republican talking this way.

He was said dead duck once Trump remanded him to the cornfield. He'll have his time though, he's young yet.

[Ef-man]

CNN: The IDF said it had recovered the bodies of about 1,500 Hamas fighters inside Israel since Saturday.

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CNN: The IDF said it had recovered the bodies of about 1,500 Hamas fighters inside Israel since Saturday.

Body count ain't been this keen since Vietnam, Effy. & whose in charge? CNN

tee, hee.

[MultiTroll]

Background: Tally Gotliv was gagged, removed from committee assignments and barred from carrying legislation in June.

She doesn't have much pull in her own party. It's still amazing that any pol would support using nukes inside their own country, even polemically.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-mk-gotliv-sanctioned-booted-from-committees-after-causing-knesset-chaos/
So Israel doesn't tolerate Trump types?

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So Israel doesn't tolerate Trump types?

...not since yahoo (fucked around *Effy) told Trump to get bent-&-lost after he turned himself and made Prime Minister again/FINALLY/they just kept voting till he made PM, or, whatever the fuck they're calling it now in Israel.

He (found out *Effy) came Saturday morn. Served the fuck appropriately.

"Who's the wild man now!"

[Winehole23]

So Israel doesn't tolerate Trump types?They absolutely do, within the bounds of parliamentary discipline. The unforgiving math of multiparty coalitions requires party line strictness. Gotliv was a loose cannon trying to push herself ahead of Likud's priorities.

[Winehole23]

CNN: The IDF said it had recovered the bodies of about 1,500 Hamas fighters inside Israel since Saturday.So much for impregnable border barriers.

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So much for impregnable border barriers.

...& So much for vote harvesting coming to an end.

The kicker, the livin' end, Winester?...that fuckin' Roe v. Wade alerted politicos up & down the fuckin' line there'd be a persistent & frightening partisan dearth of Americans/White Americans---to spite God---going forward, ever more..."Don't worry, we got an idea. Si?"

Fuck us.

[Winehole23]

Posters who were around during the GWB administration may recall that in 2006, Bush and Condi Rice insisted that Hamas be allowed to participate in elections, and made Israel swallow their strong misgivings.

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[pgardn]

This is like DeSantis saying saying we should shoot immigrants at the border because drug smugglers look like everyone else. It's a sadistic parody of reason and a cowardly abandonment of conscience.

This will be the Israeli response.
I did not say I am fine with it.
Just stating what I think will happen.

My second paragraph addresses how awful this will be for people who dont want to take sides, they just want to live a normal life with family and friends.
They are sick of it. And what usually gets born out of this situation is kids who want to kill. They learn it as a biproduct of growing up around so much violence. Especially the young males who are led into puberty and beyond in this environment.

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Posters who were around during the GWB administration may recall that in 2006, Bush and Condi Rice insisted that Hamas be allowed to participate in elections, and made Israel swallow their strong misgivings.

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Hell, boy; Bush2 was a RINO in hiding till Trump flushed the fuck out by beating Hillary's brains out & made President. The fuck couldn't even contain himself and gushed for a solid fortnight over the Husseins...had the photo albums brought in (his Black butler retrieved them) from the garage and everything. He was like you guys...was helpless from showing his ass 24/7.

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This will be the Israeli response.
I did not say I am fine with it.
Just stating what I think will happen.

My second paragraph addresses how awful this will be for people who dont want to take sides, they just want to live a normal life with family and friends.
They are sick of it. And what usually gets born out of this situation is kids who want to kill. They learn it as a biproduct of growing up around so much violence. Especially the young males who are led into puberty and beyond in this environment.

No more of that shit, peeg. Ever again either side of the oceans. It's our religion.

Now, NOW you're sick of it. You ain't seen nothin' yet, sport.

Let us proceed...

[pgardn]

Yassir Arafat had a chance to end this when Israel had Ehud Barak as its leader based on what I have read and listened to.
But Arafat was in to deep with the $. He profited from conflict. Imo this was the time frame and circumstance to make some sort of beginning for peace.
Arafat walked away with the money. People forget how their own leaders screw them. Barak was making significant moves to start a peace process.
Then it seems he never trusted the Palestinians again. Barak was a military man fed up with what he himself had done and seen. Then he rotted and turned sour.
Arafat had some of his own people killed. Some who wanted peace, and some who wanted all out conflict. He wanted money. Being rich was much more tolerable than being a warrior. but in order to be rich he had to have some sort of conflict. He needed to get paid for his position. By both sides.

Imo this was the closest the two sides got but it was never going to happen. This one was on Arafat. Since this time Israel has turned very very right wing. ebbs and flows but ultimately the plan was to let them suffer in Gaza and slowly eat the West Bank up over time.

My take on one of the big moments in the history of this conflict.

[MultiTroll]

Giving total license to violent retribution isn't the safe side, imho.
One would think Hamas foresaw Iz retribution and if the hostage killing doesn't work they'll go with Demonic Plan B.

Just atrocious.
Man obviously cannot govern man successfully.

[CosmicCowboy]

So much for impregnable border barriers.

Stupid comment. "Walls can be knocked down with bulldozers...why try?"

[pgardn]

Sorry Thread I got you on ignore.
Did you put up an Israeli flag or Hamas insignia?
Your work in the Ukraine conflict eliminates you from any consideration as a rational person.
And your need for a tyrant to lead the US nails the coffin shut.

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One would think Hamas foresaw Iz retribution and if the hostage killing doesn't work they'll go with Demonic Plan B.

Just atrocious.
Man obviously cannot govern man successfully.

...especially Trump. Christ, you wouldn't stop trying to assassinate him.

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Sorry Thread I got you on ignore.
Did you put up an Israeli flag or Hamas insignia?
Your work in the Ukraine conflict eliminates you from any consideration as a rational person.
And your need for a tyrant to lead the US nails the coffin shut.

You'll come around like you did less than a month ago, son. And I'll be here. In the meantime you know Rule #1. I ignore no one, ever. It's my religion.
Rule #2. Obey all rules.

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

Stupid comment. "Walls can be knocked down with bulldozers...why try?"They can also be climbed over, walked around or tunneled underneath.

Walls cost too much and don't work.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1711430313111674949?t

[CosmicCowboy]

They can also be climbed over, walked around or tunneled underneath.

Walls cost too much and don't work.

as opposed to Whinehole's "Come one, Come all!!!! Borders are open!!!"

[Winehole23]

as opposed to Whinehole's "Come one, Come all!!!! Borders are open!!!"Nope, I think we need to reform immigration. More immigration judges to clear the backlog and a legal pathway to residency, for starters. Quite different from saying olly olly oxen free.

That said, the US could stand a lot more immigration than we currently allow if we want to maintain ourselves in the lifestyle to which we've become accustomed. The US population is getting older. More immigration would be objectively good, economically and socially imho. It doesn't much matter where the immigrants come from.

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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1711430313111674949?t

da, the avenging angel has lit.

[daboom1]

da, the avenging angel has lit.

We ain't stopping for dollars or donuts.

[hater]

Netannazi has been utterly exposed

All he is doing right now is washing his embarrassment with palestinian blood

It will not work.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/Brian22155Rayl/status/1711461517315514409?t

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Netannazi has been utterly exposed

All he is doing right now is washing his embarrassment with palestinian blood

It will not work.

...though CNN in close association with Biden/Blinken are going to try to wash it away with all their collective might.

[Blake]

as opposed to Whinehole's "Come one, Come all!!!! Borders are open!!!"

What do you think Border Patrol does?

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https://twitter.com/Brian22155Rayl/status/1711461517315514409?t

Yep, and those 9 Americans will be shoved out of sight via CNN, MSNBC and even FOX, who will give them short shrift if that.

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What do you think Border Patrol does?

What Biden orders them to do. They ain't gonna risk their pay & pension. No fuckin' way...their wives..."Just do what your told, GD it. Get the check. Get the pension, GD it, you stubborn SOB, you!"

[buttsR4rebounding]

Damn 100 Israelis dead today. Almost 1000 injured. Dozens taken prisoner. In barely 12 hours :wow

If the Hezbollah hordes are unleashed in the North. Israel will be in very deep shit

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1710644160036786465

If Hezbollah enters the fray the power of the Ford strike force will wipe southern Lebanon off the map. Look for an announcement in the next week that another carrier strike force will be sent the Persian Gulf.

[daboom1]

Yep, and those 9 Americans will be shoved out of sight via CNN, MSNBC and even FOX, who will give them short shrift if that.

We don't speak about this administration's blunders. It's verboten.

[GAustex]

Nm

[hater]

If Hezbollah enters the fray the power of the Ford strike force will wipe southern Lebanon off the map. Look for an announcement in the next week that another carrier strike force will be sent the Persian Gulf.

U cant beat Hezbollah with stand off weapons.alone

Not to mention they have > 40,000 missiles in stock. Not Including anti ship and loitering ammunitions..

Israel and US most likely have to put the boots on the ground to destroy them. That will take time and casualties.

[CosmicCowboy]

U cant beat Hezbollah with stand off weapons.alone

Not to mention they have > 40,000 missiles in stock. Not Including anti ship and loitering ammunitions..

Israel and US most likely have to put the boots on the ground to destroy them. That will take time and casualties.

Hezbolla does not have any significant air defense. We can do a lot of damage with what we have without putting boots on the ground.

[pgardn]

Hamas holding and killing women and children prisoners is definitely not good PR.
Israel will publish these deaths one by one as they pound Gaza.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hamas holding and killing women and children prisoners is definitely not good PR.
Israel will publish these deaths one by one as they pound Gaza.

Hamas has said they are going to publish them ISIS style. Video beheadings.

[pgardn]

Hamas has said they are going to publish them ISIS style. Video beheadings.

oh jeeez…

Hamas must really want Gaza obliterated.

[Cry Havoc]

Stupid comment. "Walls can be knocked down with bulldozers...why try?"

Objectively they do not.

Especially not when your own intelligence drops the ball entirely and allows an enemy to strike you completely unawares.

Israel has every single advantage in this conflict. They should never take a loss like this to a poorer weaker foe with 5% of the military capacity.

[hater]

Hezbolla does not have any significant air defense. We can do a lot of damage with what we have without putting boots on the ground.

The complex of tunnels and bunkers in Lebanon will be enough to withstand anything thrown at them.

It will be boots on ground for Israel/US or bust

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Brian22155Rayl/status/1711461517315514409?t

He's making an address right now, m:lolr:loln.

[ChumpDumper]

The complex of tunnels and bunkers in Lebanon will be enough to withstand anything thrown at them.

It will be boots on ground for Israel/US or bustSo when do you say the US will commit ground troops to Gaza, hater?

3-5 days?

[Cry Havoc]

So when do you say the US will commit ground troops to Gaza, hater?

3-5 days?

Really hard to say. We're moving carrier groups closer. I think Biden will hold off on BoG as long as possible -- that isn't going to be popular no matter what the provocation.

[CosmicCowboy]

The complex of tunnels and bunkers in Lebanon will be enough to withstand anything thrown at them.

It will be boots on ground for Israel/US or bust

US is not going to bomb Gaza. No fucking way. They MIGHT hit Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon if asked. FWIW Israel is pretty proud and has never asked for US direct assistance.

[Leetonidas]

One thing is for certain. The right is going to piss their pants no matter what Biden does

[Winehole23]

He's making an address right now, m:lolr:loln.Brandon was getting European allies onboard.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8CNKYmWUAIjPLL?format=jpg&name=small

[hater]

Brandon was getting European allies onboard.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8CNKYmWUAIjPLL?format=jpg&name=small

:lmao these retards still think they have a say in the Middle East :lmao

[Leetonidas]

He's making an address right now, m:lolr:loln.

Not like it would matter what Biden says or doesn't say. Like I said they'll piss their pants no matter what. These clowns don't actually care about dead Americans in Israel :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Not like it would matter what Biden says or doesn't say. Like I said they'll piss their pants no matter what. These clowns don't actually care about dead Americans in Israel :lol

Really all they care about is their daddy Trump and they have no idea why.:lol

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Not like it would matter what Biden says or doesn't say. Like I said they'll piss their pants no matter what. These clowns don't actually care about dead Americans in Israel :lol

They're under Biden's watch & care. Their regrets are their own. I've no sympathy for them.

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Really all they care about is their daddy Trump and they have no idea why.:lol


True, & I do. Because he bull rushed the gate and got by ya's, made President and you hated him for it, tried to assassinate him multiple times over it.

American Democracy, indeed.

[daboom1]

True, & I do. Because he bull rushed the gate and got by ya's, made President and you hated him for it, tried to assassinate him multiple times over it.

American Democracy, indeed.

Just shows to go ya.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1711775488115384538?t

[hater]

"Gaza is in Israel. Israel is a country. Israel is Jewish. They are both in the Middle East. "
- Kamala Harris

:lmao

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1711785460882702675?t

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/WD5tJz5/20231010-150349.jpg

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1711814794515267847?t

[CosmicCowboy]

Brandon was getting European allies onboard.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8CNKYmWUAIjPLL?format=jpg&name=small

That's a long way to say "thoughts and prayers".

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https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1711814794515267847?t

Go-to-hell.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/RealMacReport/status/1711800365782630741?t

[Winehole23]

That's a long way to say "thoughts and prayers".yeah, the concluding graf suggests coordination of efforts going forward. we'll see.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1711781711460069603?t

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1711801062745645501?t

[velik_m]

Hamas terrorists 'murdered 40 babies' including beheadings, says report (https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU)

[Winehole23]

baby murdering is bad no matter who does it.

or are we just talking about one side here?

[daboom1]

baby murdering is bad no matter who does it.

or are we just talking about one side here?

What about abortions?

[hater]

Hamas terrorists 'murdered 40 babies' including beheadings, says report (https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU)

Says israel lol

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1711826427690037428?t

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

https://x.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1711812875365265833

[pgardn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGlxOuCtmY



I dont even know what this is and have not listened to it.

But be like hater...

[hater]

:lmao Zionists are some dangerous mofos as well

"Gaza should be “flattened” with nuclear-capable missiles, a member of Knesset from the ruling party has stated"

If both teams lose it would be ideal :tu

[pgardn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGlxOuCtmY



I dont even know what this is and have not listened to it.

But be like hater...

Exhibit A

[hater]

Looks like Hezbollah got drones.

Ce la vi


https://x.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1711871700449513605


"Gaza in 3-5 days"


:lmao

[Ef-man]

Hmmm

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1711871974408880524

[Ef-man]

Crazy that this is even a remote pipedream :wow

https://x.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1710984255440826488

Retard with another 3-5 days post. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

It's frankly insane that Hamas was able to conduct such a devastating operation inside Israel. Makes it pretty clear that A) Security is not and has not been a priority of the Israeli PM and 2) He has abjectly failed at the thing he preaches most about, safe-guarding the lives of his people.

[hater]

It's frankly insane that Hamas was able to conduct such a devastating operation inside Israel. Makes it pretty clear that A) Security is not and has not been a priority of the Israeli PM and 2) He has abjectly failed at the thing he preaches most about, safe-guarding the lives of his people.

This is the same thing that was said after the 9/11 attacks

Tbqh

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Hmmm

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1711871974408880524

See, this is after he had a conference call (on a secure line) with Blinken. They were not about to leave it as it laid. Uh, uh. This will at least cloud the issue and give yahoo some cover to "make it thru the night."

American Democracy indeed.

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It's frankly insane that Hamas was able to conduct such a devastating operation inside Israel. Makes it pretty clear that A) Security is not and has not been a priority of the Israeli PM and 2) He has abjectly failed at the thing he preaches most about, safe-guarding the lives of his people.

He was probably pilfering thru all the goodies back (at the house) instead of standing guard. America will help him get thru this dark time...THEN, Cry, he'll owe Biden and Biden will pass that marker along to the next President. There is no time limit and it'll be a biggie.

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Hmmm

https://x.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1711871974408880524

So, Effy, is yahoo lying now, or, was he lying then?

Come on, Effy.

Come to Pappy.

[clambake]

It's frankly insane that Hamas was able to conduct such a devastating operation inside Israel. Makes it pretty clear that A) Security is not and has not been a priority of the Israeli PM and 2) He has abjectly failed at the thing he preaches most about, safe-guarding the lives of his people.

No doubt


Now the gloves are off

[hater]

No doubt


Now the gloves are off

3-5 days or 6-7?

:lmao

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No doubt


Now the gloves are off

I thought the gloves were off after the Ide Amin affair, motherfucker?

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1711856381798523059?t

Biden gives the green light.

[Cry Havoc]

He was probably pilfering thru all the goodies back (at the house) instead of standing guard. America will help him get thru this dark time...THEN, Cry, he'll owe Biden and Biden will pass that marker along to the next President. There is no time limit and it'll be a biggie.

A tale as old as time.

What a big fuckin' mess we've gotten ourselves into, Cub.

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A tale as old as time.

What a big fuckin' mess we've gotten ourselves into, Cub.

Amen.

[pgardn]

It's frankly insane that Hamas was able to conduct such a devastating operation inside Israel. Makes it pretty clear that A) Security is not and has not been a priority of the Israeli PM and 2) He has abjectly failed at the thing he preaches most about, safe-guarding the lives of his people.

Absolutely.

which is why Gaza is probably the worst place to be in the world at this moment.
There will be hell to pay.

[pgardn]

A tale as old as time.

What a big fuckin' mess we've gotten ourselves into, Cub.

It can be looked at in another light.
Death stays over there not here.
9/11 rears its head.

Israel could be looked at as a way to remain a thorn in side of the entire Arab and Islamic Middle East.
Nah... Israel was looked at in this way, especially by the Republicans.
And then nuts like John Hagee who see Israel as a special place. Its still exists in a number of big Christian mega churches.

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It can be looked at in another light.
Death stays over there not here.
9/11 rears its head.

Israel could be looked at as a way to remain a thorn in side of the entire Arab and Islamic Middle East.
Nah... Israel was looked at in this way, especially by the Republicans.
And then nuts like John Hagee who see Israel as a special place. Its still exists in a number of big Christian mega churches.

tee, hee. It only took ya what 72 hours to make it into a (good thing.)

You're first though, peeg. I'll vouch for ya if it's contested.

[pgardn]

Did tread on me throw up an Israeli flag or a Hamas symbol?
Picture of Benji walking around stomping on Hamas?
Picture of Hamas killing people at a music festival?

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1711785460882702675?t

Hamas <> Palestine

Otherwise you'd have to burn your US flag because you think Democrats eat babies.

[boutons_deux]

This was is another FUCKUP by conservatives

ALL conservatives do is FUCKUP

"some Israelis say" the extreme right conservative net and yahoo's hardlines against Palestinians led to Hamas attack.

Bibi also wants to gut the supreme court power to degrade it to beneath politicians.

[boutons_deux]

if/when Hamas decides Israel has gone "too far" in destroying Gaza, they will kill hostages, esp US hostages

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Did tread on me throw up an Israeli flag or a Hamas symbol?
Picture of Benji walking around stomping on Hamas?
Picture of Hamas killing people at a music festival?

No, I cited ya for being first for turning the Saturday Morning Massacre into a "good thing."

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if/when Hamas decides Israel has gone "too far" in destroying Gaza, they will kill hostages, esp US hostages

Then here comes more sanctions on speculation by fuck-face Biden. & he'll probably hit up Putin for 'em..."I have unimpeachable facts that Putin was one of the major ring leaders in the Saturday Morning Massacre and I am going to hit him and hit him hard with more sanctions. God Bless America."

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if/when Hamas decides Israel has gone "too far" in destroying Gaza, they will kill hostages, esp US hostages

But they'll hang onto the US hostages for a good spell of time, bouts. And CNN will provide cover for Biden during this "good spell."

[boutons_deux]

A multi-front war now threatens Israel after fire from Lebanon, Syria - analysis

Rocket fire from Lebanon and Syria,

as well as threats from Iraq and Yemen

joining the Hamas war on Israel.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767646

[ChumpDumper]

"Gaza in 3-5 days"


:lmao
Who said that?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Israel is about to fuck up. Gaza is densely populated and the Hamas guys look just like the civilians. Urban warfare against determined resistance will be incredibly bloody on both sides. Israel could potentially kill tens of thousands of Palestinians trying to eliminate Hamas. We can forget the Abraham accords. The Arab world will be enraged at Israel AND the US.
Why not just turn the entire Gaza Strip into a parking lot of scorched rubble?

[Cry Havoc]

Why not just turn the entire Gaza Strip into a parking lot of scorched rubble?

"Why shouldn't we just kill everyone we don't like?" is mask off even for conservatives.

[pgardn]

Why not just turn the entire Gaza Strip into a parking lot of scorched rubble?

You will get rid of Palestinians in Gaza.
But not Hamas in the ME.

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Who said that?

Look at Dumper, you're so stove up you fell for it.

Dumper

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A multi-front war now threatens Israel after fire from Lebanon, Syria - analysis

Rocket fire from Lebanon and Syria,

as well as threats from Iraq and Yemen

joining the Hamas war on Israel.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767646

We'll see if that cocksucker Biden will drill into American dirt now.

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"Why shouldn't we just kill everyone we don't like?" is mask off even for conservatives.

& it's on Biden's watch!!!

Bomb diggity!!!

[Winehole23]

It's frankly insane that Hamas was able to conduct such a devastating operation inside Israel. Makes it pretty clear that A) Security is not and has not been a priority of the Israeli PM and 2) He has abjectly failed at the thing he preaches most about, safe-guarding the lives of his people.To put a stronger point on it, Bibi somewhat coddled Hamas, putting his own people in danger for political advantage. Bibi sold it as strategy to his own party, that might be a harder sell to to the wider Israeli public now.

[Winehole23]

Nice to see you dropping into this subforum, Cry Havoc. Hope you've been well all these years.

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To put a stronger point on it, Bibi somewhat coddled Hamas, putting his own people in danger for political advantage.

And now it's Biden's job to make a reclamation project of yahoo. That'll put yahoo in Biden's pocket forever more.

Oh, the tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

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Nice to see you dropping into this subforum, Cry Havoc. Hope you've been well all these years.

You ass smootcher, you.

[Winehole23]

It's somewhat startling that the coalition that failed to heed advance warning of the attack gets to lead to country into war, tbh.

[Proxy]

cute, yall acting like yall care suddenly when Hamas kills an insignificantly tiny amount compared to what apartheid isreal/us has done to the palestines

[Cry Havoc]

To put a stronger point on it, Bibi somewhat coddled Hamas, putting his own people in danger for political advantage. Bibi sold it as strategy to his own party, that might be a harder sell to to the wider Israeli public now.

Si, and to all the people who are trying to compare this to 9/11... needs to really step back and examine the difference between a random terrorist cell launching an attack across the planet using civvy jets as missiles, vs a known enemy force in a known position with a known set of objectives catching you with your pants down on what basically amounts to a constant war front.

Nothing about what happened was truly that unexpected. Sure, the scope and coordination raised some eyebrows. But literally no one on this planet who follows politics of that region was shocked that Hamas launched an attack. This thread is titled war #13783478343 FFS. To get caught flat-footed when you have such an incredibly high quality of known factors would be embarrassing for a nation with an underdeveloped economy and a weak military. For it to happen to one of the most advanced forces on the planet is unconscionable. It's "leaving steph curry alone on the perimeter and being shocked that he scores 60 points on 15 shots" levels of failure. Obviously a crass comparison given the consequences but I'm just shocked that this happened and Hamas pulled it off so well (unfortunately).


Nice to see you dropping into this subforum, Cry Havoc. Hope you've been well all these years.

Thanks WH, you too. Been great. Doing photography full time now, got a little girl who's about to turn 3. Good to see some other oldies on here also.

[Winehole23]

Former IDF General Shlomo Brom weighs in.


Israel is facing an unprecedented crisis. The state that was founded to protect Jews from persecution failed miserably in protecting its citizens living near the Gaza Strip. It was completely surprised by a militarily inferior adversary. The small Israel Defence Forces (idf) contingent deployed along Israel’s border with Gaza crumbled and could not prevent the butchering of almost a thousand people, most of them civilians, and the taking as hostages of scores of other citizens by Palestinian terrorists from Hamas.https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2023/10/10/the-crisis-shows-the-failure-of-israeli-policy-towards-palestinians-says-shlomo-brom

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cute, yall acting like yall care suddenly when Hamas kills an insignificantly tiny amount compared to what apartheid isreal/us has done to the palestines

Proxy, we're never privy to this indictment of yours. It doesn't play here in the States. We just know Palestinians bad. Jews good.

That's it & that's all.

ADDENDUM: And MSM here, in particular CNN will not use the word Palestine as a rule. They'll hammer the term Palestinians like clock work. It's subtle. I say Palestine, one thinks of kindly, of religion. I say Palestinians and one thinks of marauders and apes.

[Winehole23]

Thanks WH, you too. Been great. Doing photography full time now, got a little girl who's about to turn 3. Good to see some other oldies on here also.You're one of the few posters left who can appreciate that 2012 Wild Cobra takes are mainstream GOP patter now.

[Winehole23]

Fwiw, I'm doing great. Healthy, moderately fit and enjoying the work/home lives. Seldom been better. Two great grandkids too.

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It's somewhat startling that the coalition that failed to heed advance warning of the attack gets to lead to country into war, tbh.

...that was the only way Biden would open the checkbook and send the armaments and navalments. "Yahoo staysPERIOD" -Biden

[Winehole23]

Israel gets to decide who their next leader is. Brandon doesn't have much to do with it, tbh.

[Thread]

Israel gets to decide who their next leader is. Brandon doesn't have much to do with it, tbh.

Yahoo ain't gonna no where. Christ-a-mighty, in the end he'll be heralded for his response. I've seen this movie a thousand times. When you're in, you're in. And when you're out, you're out. And he's inPERIOD

[Cry Havoc]

You're one of the few posters left who can appreciate that 2012 Wild Cobra takes are mainstream GOP patter now.


Rubbing my retinas in frustration at the thought. Jesus. What an observation.

[Winehole23]

Shooting immigrants at the border and offering sterilization to convicts for more lenient sentences are real deal GOP takes now. Vivek Ramaswamy, the son of unnaturalized immigrants, says he wants to eliminate birthright citizenship and deport millions. He's hardly alone in that.

[Winehole23]

Jus soli is one of the most awesomest things about America, tbh.

[Thread]

Shooting immigrants at the border and offering sterilization to convicts for more lenient sentences are real deal GOP takes now. Vivek Ramaswamy, the son of unnaturalized immigrants, says he wants to elinate birth citizenship and deport millions.

You stalked President Trump for 4 years simply because he made President in the rapt belief that you'd crucify him and then return to shangrila. Uh, uh, never. Nope.

[Winehole23]

Read the Congressional record. Congress knew exactly what it was doing when it created birthright citizenship and it was fucking genius.

[Winehole23]

The US assisting in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza makes humanitarian sense, if we can get Israel to stop bombing the Rafah crossing, but strategically it might not be wise, for Israel or for us.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-says-it-is-talking-israel-about-safe-passage-gaza-civilians-2023-10-10/

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The US assisting in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza makes humanitarian sense, if we can get Israel to stop bombing the Rafah crossing, but strategically it might not be wise, for Israel or for us.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-says-it-is-talking-israel-about-safe-passage-gaza-civilians-2023-10-10/

Another couple days and you'll be referring to this as a "good thing," Winester, what's more, Biden will second ya.

P.S., I wonder if they'll bring the dead Americans back thru Dover, or, just a coach junket into Reagan X & each family can come get what's left...on their own dime?

[HemisfairArena]

one sucker punch deserves another,,,,,great job, Israel,,,,told those palestinians that they should leave quick and they have a window to do it in,,,,corraled them like cattle and then let the bombs fly,,,,,,:bobo



Israel dropped bombs near a Gaza border crossing packed with civilians who'd followed officials' pleas to flee: reports (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-dropped-bombs-near-gaza-042939352.html)

[Cry Havoc]

one sucker punch deserves another,,,,,great job, Israel,,,,told those palestinians that they should leave quick and they have a window to do it in,,,,corraled them like cattle and then let the bombs fly,,,,,,:bobo



Israel dropped bombs near a Gaza border crossing packed with civilians who'd followed officials' pleas to flee: reports (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-dropped-bombs-near-gaza-042939352.html)

Don't cut yourself on that edge

[HemisfairArena]

Don't cut yourself on that edge

never do,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

now look at these stupid fucks,,,typical black democrats,,,support the terrorists,,,the perverts(trans),,,,the smash and grab,,,,the looting,,,the pillaging,,,,so no shocker here,,,,

Fury as Black Lives Matter group posts image of paratrooper and says it ‘stands with Palestine’ (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fury-black-lives-matter-group-212611827.html)

[Cry Havoc]

now look at these stupid fucks,,,typical black democrats,,,support the terrorists,,,the perverts(trans),,,,the smash and grab,,,,the looting,,,the pillaging,,,,so no shocker here,,,,

Fury as Black Lives Matter group posts image of paratrooper and says it ‘stands with Palestine’ (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fury-black-lives-matter-group-212611827.html)

Dorothy is jealous of the strawman you just built.

[HemisfairArena]

this is gonna be a deathblow to the democrats chances in 2024,,,,independents decide elections now and you can kiss their vote goodbye if your a democrat,,,,the border crisis already had independents wobbling and leaning towards republicans but this will be the icing on the cake,,,even AOC is trying to save her own ass by denouncing pro palestinian protests,,,and liberal employers are doing the same,,,democrats getting cancelled now,,,


Sports reporter in Philadelphia loses job over pro-Palestinian comments (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/sports-reporter-philadelphia-loses-job-170225681.html)

[HemisfairArena]

Dorothy is jealous of the strawman you just built.

sure thing, pal,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

again, democrats getting cancelled now and its only gonna get worse as this thing drags out because democrats want to side with hamas,,,,lmao


Harvard law student linked to statement blaming Israel denounces contents, says she didn't read it (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-law-student-linked-statement-014447142.html)

[HemisfairArena]

going better than i hoped,,,keep up the good work,,,payback's a bitch,,,,

Israeli strikes demolish entire Gaza neighborhoods as sealed-off territory faces imminent blackout (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-strikes-neighborhood-after-neighborhood-in-sealed-off-gaza-as-war-appears-set-to-escalate/ar-AA1i1jYy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=22a63b9fc8664f5ea524d7c66a4e0e03&ei=15)

[Proxy]

Proxy, we're never privy to this indictment of yours. It doesn't play here in the States. We just know Palestinians bad. Jews good.

That's it & that's all.

ADDENDUM: And MSM here, in particular CNN will not use the word Palestine as a rule. They'll hammer the term Palestinians like clock work. It's subtle. I say Palestine, one thinks of kindly, of religion. I say Palestinians and one thinks of marauders and apes.

yep, was hilarious to see Brandon dumb enough even in the 80s accidentally admit what Israel really was. Dude's had onset dementia even back then I guess. Now all the libs want to act like they knew better the entire time when they were the ones picking on Omar with Pelosi and the rest of the gang years ago. Assuming they're gonna wipe a ton of Palestinians and make some shit up to continue on into Iran for the reasons we already know they'll say

[Extra Stout]

Shooting immigrants at the border and offering sterilization to convicts for more lenient sentences are real deal GOP takes now. Vivek Ramaswamy, the son of unnaturalized immigrants, says he wants to eliminate birthright citizenship and deport millions. He's hardly alone in that.
It is difficult to wave away the plain meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment, though I suppose the appointment of a sufficient number of motivated judges could work around that.

Or, it could just be on par with equally implausible Democratic calls to do away with the Electoral College or equal state representation in the Senate.

[Leetonidas]

Lol boomersfail posting at 3am on a weekday:lol unemployed loser

[hater]

:lmao retarded americans that think Russia had any part of this :lmao

https://x.com/Dykescout/status/1711995352948027746

[hater]

:lmao and :lol the retards that believed the beheaded babies story :lmao

https://x.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1712065781188399237

[Winehole23]

It is difficult to wave away the plain meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment, though I suppose the appointment of a sufficient number of motivated judges could work around that.

Or, it could just be on par with equally implausible Democratic calls to do away with the Electoral College or equal state representation in the Senate.The ruling in SFFA that declares the 14th Amendment is colorblind suggests the current Supreme Court is mentally flexible enough to define it out of existence. All that's lacking is a bespoke dispute.

[Extra Stout]

This all started back in the 1800’s when Britain was envious of the Russian and French spheres of influence in the Ottoman Empire and sought to carve out its own.

The polity of the Ottomans was organized not just geographically, but by ethnicity and religion. Orthodox Christians had their own sub-government, as did Catholics. They also allowed expats in their territory their own sub-governments aligned to their native country. This created an opportunity for the Russians to carve out economic and diplomatic influence by appointing themselves the protectors of the Orthodox Christians. The French followed suit with the Catholics.

The British wanted to play, too, but there really weren’t any Anglicans or other Protestants to speak of. So with their draft pick they selected the Jews. And since more Jews in the Ottoman Empire meant more influence, they became enthusiastic sponsors of Zionism.

Dispensationalism was invented about this same time. Since it aligned with British foreign policy, it was tolerated and even promoted in the Church of England, and through the Scofield Study Bible, eventually spread to the United States where it became the dominant view in American Protestantism.

Fast forward to the end of World War I. The Ottoman Empire collapsed, and the victorious British and French carved up the Levant under “mandates.” The British took control of the Holy Land with promises to set up independent states that quite frankly they never intended to honor. I guess they imagined in their hubris that the Jewish settlers and Arabs would be so enamored of enlightened British rule that they never would agitate for independence. Instead, they constantly agitated.

The Balfour Declaration says nothing about a Jewish state, but rather only a “national home” for the Jews. All along, this was intended to be under British control.

Fast forward to the end of World War II. The British, exhausted from fighting the Nazis, no longer can afford their empire. They need to cut and run from their most restive territories — India and Palestine. So they concoct half-baked partition schemes that result in massive ethnic cleansing. In Palestine, they use their friends in the nearly created UN to cover for them with a story that the Jews deserve their own state because of the Holocaust. There is a whole dog-and-pony show to pretend that other territories were considered. The point all along was to get Britain out of there.

In the United States, where Dispensationalism had taken hold, American Protestants supported the creation of Israel, believing from the get-go that it represented fulfillment of prophecy and advancement toward the return of Jesus Christ. Evangelical influence, along with American support for Britain, explains America’s enthusiastic support for creating Israel.

[Winehole23]

It's somewhat startling that the coalition that failed to heed advance warning of the attack gets to lead to country into war, tbh.This (http://https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1712096804097888637?s=20) makes more sense than Bibi's ruling coalition leading the war, and it also saves him the trouble of resigning, which would be the normal thing to do following such an epic fail.

1712096804097888637

[UNT Eagles 2016]

"Why shouldn't we just kill everyone we don't like?" is mask off even for conservatives.

Eye for an eye :tu

[Winehole23]

Eye for an eye :tuPalestinians =/= Hamas

[hater]

:lmao Ursula VonDerNazi getting shat on :lmao

https://x.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1710973422937710902

[hater]

Interesting take:

https://x.com/highlightsnews1/status/1712116401618534546

I do believe Israel and Netannazi was were employing the "boil the frog" strategy with Gaza. Just keep bulldozing Palestinian houses 1 at a time....

And its true noone was talking about Palestine rights anymore before this. Not to mention Saudi, UAE were really normalizing relations with Israel. Thats gone now

[Winehole23]

Didn't know this, but not surprised to hear it.

Seems Qatar should get some of the suspicion aimed at Iran, but that would be inconvenient, since Qatar is a de facto US ally.

https://static.srpcdigital.com/styles/1037xauto/public/2019/10/02/e678l6e7loe68lor6e8lo.jpg


The political leadership of Hamas does not live in Gaza, nor do they live in Tehran. They live in Qatar, one of the richest countries in the world, where they are protecting by the jihadist-allied regime in Doha.https://www.dossier.today/p/the-qatari-elephant-in-the-room

[Winehole23]

Stoller's political takes are for the most part blockheaded, but this seems a reasonable gloss. Pros and antis will fight each other via leaks to the press.

1712127155390271541

[Winehole23]

ominous


National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir announced on Tuesday that his ministry is purchasing 10,000 rifles to arm civilian security teams, specifically those in towns close to Israel’s borders around the country, as well as mixed Jewish-Arab cities and West Bank settlements.

The minister, who heads the far-right Otzma Yehudit party, said 4,000 assault rifles had already been acquired from an Israeli manufacturer and will be distributed immediately.

Helmets and bulletproof vests have also been acquired and will be distributed along with the assault rifles.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-10000-assault-rifles-purchased-for-civilian-security-teams/

[velik_m]

:lmao Ursula VonDerNazi getting shat on :lmao

https://x.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1710973422937710902

What, did she forgot to vote? :lmao

Parliament elects Ursula von der Leyen as first female Commission President (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190711IPR56824/parliament-elects-ursula-von-der-leyen-as-first-female-commission-president)

[hater]

Parliament

:lmao

Exactly irish chick 1000% right :tu

[hater]

Great interview :tu

History lesson :tu

Must watch :tu


t4FjKPY153c

[velik_m]

:lmao

Exactly irish chick 1000% right :tu

An "Irish chick" who is a member of said parliament and participated in the election is complaining that Ursula is "unelected". You truly are dumber than a rock.

[Extra Stout]

I think the era of human rights is coming to an end. It was always more aspirational than real. But I don’t think there’s a will to make universal human rights happen. This or that group will criticize this or that atrocity from afar, but the global preference cascade is toward tribal self-interest and power.

Ethnic cleansing of Armenians just happened in Azerbaijan and the West looked the other way because oil. Russia observes no rules of engagement in its attempt to recolonize Ukraine and half the world yawns because 1) natural gas and 2) they want to do something like that too.

And Israel/Palestine is gearing up for the big climax where one side will take total possession of all territory between the river and the sea and the other side will be ethnically cleansed or killed. Nobody cares about any distinction between civilian and military. The Christian idea of just war has collapsed; the Greek idea that every citizen is a combatant reigns supreme.

Coexist? Learn to live with one another? Work toward common goals? Hope for that world is dashed. The first half of the twentieth century is back with a vengeance. Those with the will and the means to dominate will rule.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Palestinians =/= Hamas

The little boys are future jihadis. Just like with an antibiotic, sometimes you have to sacrifice some good, healthy cells in order for the greater good of killing the bad bacteria in its tracks; i.e., nip it in the bud.

[hater]

An "Irish chick" who is a member of said parliament and participated in the election is complaining that Ursula is "unelected". You truly are dumber than a rock.

Shes right. No citizen voted for that bitch. She needs to keep her nazi opinions to herself.

:tu

[hater]

The little boys are future jihadis. Just like with an antibiotic, sometimes you have to sacrifice some good, healthy cells in order for the greater good of killing the bad bacteria in its tracks; i.e., nip it in the bud.

Little neocons, zionists or nazis are also future jihadis.

Different religion. Same shit

[Winehole23]

The little boys are future jihadis. Just like with an antibiotic, sometimes you have to sacrifice some good, healthy cells in order for the greater good of killing the bad bacteria in its tracks; i.e., nip it in the bud.Very original, a medical metaphor comparing people to pathogens and genocide to medicine. I bet you'd like to see that in the USA, too.

[Extra Stout]

The little boys are future jihadis. Just like with an antibiotic, sometimes you have to sacrifice some good, healthy cells in order for the greater good of killing the bad bacteria in its tracks; i.e., nip it in the bud.
Haiti thought that way too. All the white people are potential future oppressors, so kill them all except for a few to spread the word.

That doesn’t work unless you kill all the white people everywhere. And the USA and France collaborated to make sure Haiti was fucked forever, as it still is today.

If Israel wipes out the Palestinians, they still have to contend with all the other Arabs and all the other Muslims. The governments deep down might not care about the Palestinian plight, but they will have the internal destabilization from popular rage to deal with. 7 million Jews cannot prevail against over a billion Muslims, no matter the technological advantage.

[clambake]

Clearly, the hobbit is living a miserable existence.

[Extra Stout]

Very original, a medical metaphor comparing people to pathogens and genocide to medicine. I bet you'd like to see that in the USA, too.
That’s the eventual fate of the black underclass once the far right takes over. And then the rest of the black population once they resist.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

7 million Jews cannot prevail against over a billion Muslims, no matter the technological advantage.

Right, but, seven million Jews plus over 2.5 Billion Christians can prevail against over a billion Muslims.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

That’s the eventual fate of the black underclass once the far right takes over. And then the rest of the black population once they resist.

You've got it wrong. MAGA people are not racists. They are anti leftist. They will tar and feather a white hipstertard antifa with pink and green hair rioter just as easily, if not worse, than they would do to a black BLM rioter with a dated covid mask and a bunch of tattoos.

[clambake]

Hobbit calling himself a Christian soldier lol

You don’t have the stomach for that

[Extra Stout]

Right, but, seven million Jews plus over 2.5 Billion Christians can prevail against over a billion Muslims.
The mistake in this line of thinking is assuming there is any kind of Christian unity on the Israel-Palestine question, even among the theologically conservative. Intense pro-Israel sentiment flows from Dispensational theology, which is a feature of American evangelicalism. Catholics don’t have such strong feelings. Orthodox are strongly pro-Palestinian.

[hater]

Right, but, seven million Jews plus over 2.5 Billion Christians can prevail against over a billion Muslims.

Us christians are not risking our lives for that shithole ma nig

They can always move elsewhere. They have the $

[Extra Stout]

You've got it wrong. MAGA people are not racists. They are anti leftist. They will tar and feather a white hipstertard antifa with pink and green hair rioter just as easily, if not worse, than they would do to a black BLM rioter with a dated covid mask and a bunch of tattoos.
You underestimate the role of chaos in right-wing populist government.

[Extra Stout]

The Nazis never originally planned to exterminate the Jews. They intended to exile them to Siberia once Russia was conquered. But then the Soviet invasion bogged down, and they’d already made promises to the German people to render German territory Judenfrei, so…

[Winehole23]

unconfirmed reports of paraglider/drone attacks in northern Israel.

[hater]

https://x.com/academic_la/status/1712147531679826067


:lmao Netannazi :lmao

[hater]

The Nazis never originally planned to exterminate the Jews.

:lmao

Almost as stupid a take as Netannazis:

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1712110370905633245


Congrats :lol

[Winehole23]

1712077069608272260

[Extra Stout]

:lmao

Almost as stupid a take as Netannazis:

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1712110370905633245


Congrats :lol
My assertion is backed up by being well-read on the history of Berlin, of the Third Reich and of fascism.

Yours is backed up by…?

The German plan for Lebensraum was to recover all historically German and Austrian lands and to resettle them with Germans, and also to expand German settlement into European Russia and Ukraine. Non-Germans (e.g., Slavs) were to be subjugated. Jews were to be driven out of areas designated for German settlement, including Poland and the Ukraine.

Only after Operation Barbarossa failed did extermination come up. Originally, extermination was supposed to be accomplished by sending Einsatzgruppen across the Polish countryside and murdering Jews farm by farm, but too many SS were choosing suicide over shooting children in the head (hard to believe given current events, but that’s the testimony). So concentration into death camps was a solution to that particular problem. No shooting or slicing heads off. Just load people into a room and flip a switch.

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1712077069608272260

Talk is cheap.

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unconfirmed reports of paraglider/drone attacks in northern Israel.

God's speed.

[hater]

My assertion is backed up by being well-read on the history of Berlin, of the Third Reich and of fascism.

Yours is backed up by…?

The German plan for Lebensraum was to recover all historically German and Austrian lands and to resettle them with Germans, and also to expand German settlement into European Russia and Ukraine. Non-Germans (e.g., Slavs) were to be subjugated. Jews were to be driven out of areas designated for German settlement, including Poland and the Ukraine.

Only after Operation Barbarossa failed did extermination come up. Originally, extermination was supposed to be accomplished by sending Einsatzgruppen across the Polish countryside and murdering Jews farm by farm, but too many SS were choosing suicide over shooting children in the head (hard to believe given current events, but that’s the testimony). So concentration into death camps was a solution to that particular problem. No shooting or slicing heads off. Just load people into a room and flip a switch.

Hitler made speech about anihilation jews in Europe in 1939 :lmao (not to mention all the books and previous speeches he did about jews)

The tide in the Eastern front turned at the end of Battle of Stalingrad. Late 1942 early 1943

Not to mention jews had already been mass killed long before that

U do the maths nig :lmao

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My assertion is backed up by being well-read on the history of Berlin, of the Third Reich and of fascism.

Yours is backed up by…?

The German plan for Lebensraum was to recover all historically German and Austrian lands and to resettle them with Germans, and also to expand German settlement into European Russia and Ukraine. Non-Germans (e.g., Slavs) were to be subjugated. Jews were to be driven out of areas designated for German settlement, including Poland and the Ukraine.

Only after Operation Barbarossa failed did extermination come up. Originally, extermination was supposed to be accomplished by sending Einsatzgruppen across the Polish countryside and murdering Jews farm by farm, but too many SS were choosing suicide over shooting children in the head (hard to believe given current events, but that’s the testimony). So concentration into death camps was a solution to that particular problem. No shooting or slicing heads off. Just load people into a room and flip a switch.

That kinda talk Stout is fine for a message board, but don't try it out in the open. You'll lose your job, on-the-spot.

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Hitler made speech about anihilation jews in Europe in 1939 :lmao (not to mention all the books and previous speeches he did about jews)

The tide in the Eastern front turned at the end of Battle of Stalingrad. Late 1942 early 1943

Not to mention jews had already been mass killed long before that

U do the maths nig :lmao

Yeah, Russia turned it, because we were too afraid, cept at 30 thousand..."Again." - Harry S.

How'd we thank Russia? Threatened to give them what we just gave Japan.

American Democracy indeed.

[pgardn]

My assertion is backed up by being well-read on the history of Berlin, of the Third Reich and of fascism.

Yours is backed up by…?

The German plan for Lebensraum was to recover all historically German and Austrian lands and to resettle them with Germans, and also to expand German settlement into European Russia and Ukraine. Non-Germans (e.g., Slavs) were to be subjugated. Jews were to be driven out of areas designated for German settlement, including Poland and the Ukraine.

Only after Operation Barbarossa failed did extermination come up. Originally, extermination was supposed to be accomplished by sending Einsatzgruppen across the Polish countryside and murdering Jews farm by farm, but too many SS were choosing suicide over shooting children in the head (hard to believe given current events, but that’s the testimony). So concentration into death camps was a solution to that particular problem. No shooting or slicing heads off. Just load people into a room and flip a switch.

Hater does not read history.
His fact finding consists of finding middle school Russian twitter sources and posting them.
He is without a doubt, the most interested, and ironically the stupidest poster concerning foreign affairs existing on this site.

[hater]

January 1941. After a meeting with Hitler:

Regarding the Jewish question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. That was not just a phrase. The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.[4]


But yeah. Nazis didnt wanna kill them. Just send them on paid vacation :lmao

[velik_m]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvvqBcA-9yA

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Hater does not read history.
His fact finding consists of finding middle school Russian twitter sources and posting them.
He is without a doubt, the most interested, and ironically the stupidest poster concerning foreign affairs existing on this site.

...next thing you know you 2 will be shacked up somewhere.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvvqBcA-9yA

They whopped that ass Saturday morn, v.

[pgardn]

Hater

Has Putin persecuted his political opponents? Has he had any of them locked up, poisoned or killed?
Has Syria and Assad gassed his own people?
Are either of the two leaders above democratically elected leaders?
How long are their terms?

[Blake]

Clearly, the hobbit is living a miserable existence.

Grocery prices in the Shire ain't what they used to be

[Blake]

Us christians are not risking our lives for that shithole ma nig

They can always move elsewhere. They have the $

Lol "us Christians"

[Thread]

Hater

Has Putin persecuted his political opponents? Has he had any of them locked up, poisoned or killed?
Has Syria and Assad gassed his own people?
Are either of the two leaders above democratically elected leaders?
How long are their terms?

We got nary room, peeg. Nary. You attempted to murder Trump countless times for this simple reason...he'd made President.

American Democracy, indeed.

[Extra Stout]

January 1941. After a meeting with Hitler:

Regarding the Jewish question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. That was not just a phrase. The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.[4]


But yeah. Nazis didnt wanna kill them. Just send them on paid vacation :lmao
You’re right. It wasn’t the failure of the Soviet invasion that changed extermination from rhetoric to actual Nazi policy. It was the failure of the Battle of Britain and the inability to break the blockade.

[MultiTroll]

Dale what do you propose out to be done to this chick?

NYU Bar Association's president says Hamas' slaughter was 'necessary' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nyu-bar-association-s-president-says-hamas-slaughter-was-necessary/ss-AA1i1Gm8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75907b56f67b49c5a7a16cf8024633a5&ei=12)

[hater]

You’re right. It wasn’t the failure of the Soviet invasion that changed extermination from rhetoric to actual Nazi policy. It was the failure of the Battle of Britain and the inability to break the blockade.

:lmao

Holee sheet

You moved that goalpost to Siberia :lmao

Now please post the historical evidence you have of this new take

[Thread]

Dale what do you propose out to be done to this chick?

NYU Bar Association's president says Hamas' slaughter was 'necessary' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nyu-bar-association-s-president-says-hamas-slaughter-was-necessary/ss-AA1i1Gm8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75907b56f67b49c5a7a16cf8024633a5&ei=12)

Tit-for-Tat...you all threatened to slaughter Trump, his wife and their only child first day on the new job.

Daddy, with me, that changed everything, forever.

Let us proceed...

[pgardn]

An Israeli or Hamas picture?

[daboom1]

That kinda talk Stout is fine for a message board, but don't try it out in the open. You'll lose your job, on-the-spot.

:lol

[daboom1]

hater going ham :tu

hater

[MultiTroll]

Tit-for-Tat...you all threatened to slaughter Trump, his wife and their only child first day on the new job.

Daddy, with me, that changed everything, forever.

Let us proceed...
Madonna made a remark that had and still has you frightened, thus her remark = ok (in your mind) for Hamas to cowardly slaughter complete innocents.

[Extra Stout]

The Wannsee Conference formalised the Nazis’ policy of the extermination of Jews in occupied Europe.

On 20 January 1942, leading Nazi officials met at the Wannsee Conference Villa in Wannsee, a south-western suburb of Berlin. The conference had been called to discuss and coordinate a cheaper, more efficient, and permanent solution to the Nazis’ ‘Jewish problem’. The conference was attended by senior government and SS officials, and coordinated by Reinhard Heydrich .

At the meeting, Heydrich gave a review of Nazis’ Jewish policy, highlighting the recent (September-October 1941) removal of the Jews from the German Reich, and framing it as a temporary solution to the larger Jewish problem.

The final plan for the eleven million Jews in remaining in Europe, as laid out by Heydrich, was to utilise them for work in the east on road works. Those who could not work, or became unable to work after a period of time, would be subject to special treatment. The Nazis used the term ‘special treatment’ as a euphemism for murder.

At the conference, there was also some discussion on the methods of mass murder, although concrete plans were not established. Experiments in using gas as a method of mass murder had already taken place at Chełmno in December 1941, but this was not mentioned and no one method was agreed upon within the meeting.

The meeting lasted approximately two hours.

Whilst the exact methods of mass murder were not laid out in this meeting, it played a significant role in coordinating the Nazis’ genocidal actions. The policy of annihilation to be taken against Jews was made extremely clear by the Nazi leadership. By the end of 1942, six extermination camps were in operation.

[pgardn]

Madonna made a remark that had and still has you frightened, thus her remark = ok (in your mind) for Hamas to cowardly slaughter complete innocents.

Holy shit I got it even with having Thread on ignore.
Only in the wrong thread.
Maybe this is not a good thing… nah it is… I got ‘em pegged.
Same old stupid stuff. Nothing to read or see.

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Holy shit I got it even with having Thread on ignore.
Only in the wrong thread.
Maybe this is not a good thing… nah it is… I got ‘em pegged.
Same old stupid stuff. Nothing to read or see.

Though you do sneak in a few hours of an early morning with old Dale when the fellows are sleepin. tee, hee.

[Thread]

Madonna made a remark that had and still has you frightened, thus her remark = ok (in your mind) for Hamas to cowardly slaughter complete innocents.

Not frightened, no, Mult. Absolutely outraged---and not that she threatened it, but that she walked, Scot free.

Now? Yeah, if it's Jake for Madonna, it's certainly Jake for Ham. You GD rights, Mult.

[Winehole23]

unconfirmed reports of paraglider/drone attacks in northern Israel.

false alarm

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/11/israel-army-says-aerial-infiltration-on-lebanon-border-was-a-false-alarm

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

This all started back in the 1800’s when Britain was envious of the Russian and French spheres of influence in the Ottoman Empire and sought to carve out its own.

The polity of the Ottomans was organized not just geographically, but by ethnicity and religion. Orthodox Christians had their own sub-government, as did Catholics. They also allowed expats in their territory their own sub-governments aligned to their native country. This created an opportunity for the Russians to carve out economic and diplomatic influence by appointing themselves the protectors of the Orthodox Christians. The French followed suit with the Catholics.

The British wanted to play, too, but there really weren’t any Anglicans or other Protestants to speak of. So with their draft pick they selected the Jews. And since more Jews in the Ottoman Empire meant more influence, they became enthusiastic sponsors of Zionism.

Dispensationalism was invented about this same time. Since it aligned with British foreign policy, it was tolerated and even promoted in the Church of England, and through the Scofield Study Bible, eventually spread to the United States where it became the dominant view in American Protestantism.

Fast forward to the end of World War I. The Ottoman Empire collapsed, and the victorious British and French carved up the Levant under “mandates.” The British took control of the Holy Land with promises to set up independent states that quite frankly they never intended to honor. I guess they imagined in their hubris that the Jewish settlers and Arabs would be so enamored of enlightened British rule that they never would agitate for independence. Instead, they constantly agitated.

The Balfour Declaration says nothing about a Jewish state, but rather only a “national home” for the Jews. All along, this was intended to be under British control.

Fast forward to the end of World War II. The British, exhausted from fighting the Nazis, no longer can afford their empire. They need to cut and run from their most restive territories — India and Palestine. So they concoct half-baked partition schemes that result in massive ethnic cleansing. In Palestine, they use their friends in the nearly created UN to cover for them with a story that the Jews deserve their own state because of the Holocaust. There is a whole dog-and-pony show to pretend that other territories were considered. The point all along was to get Britain out of there.

In the United States, where Dispensationalism had taken hold, American Protestants supported the creation of Israel, believing from the get-go that it represented fulfillment of prophecy and advancement toward the return of Jesus Christ. Evangelical influence, along with American support for Britain, explains America’s enthusiastic support for creating Israel.

It was not that the Brits could not afford their empire so much as much of their empire had been occupied by other powers and wanted out of the colonial subordinate game.

Essentially, the Brits were given complete control over the ME after WW1. There had been a deal with Russia to give them Constantinople in return for their support. They would have been the other player in the region but Lenin happened and he was busy killing Ukrainians right about then. That left the Brits in Ankara and Alexandria and despite Italian and German best efforts they were never removed.

They kept the Ottoman state maps and shoehorned Israel into the land of the Philistines.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQmBsbt9blg&ab_channel=TED

Thought this was well done the whole way through.

[ChumpDumper]

The Nazis never originally planned to exterminate the Jews. They intended to exile them to Siberia once Russia was conquered. But then the Soviet invasion bogged down, and they’d already made promises to the German people to render German territory Judenfrei, so…

Timing is a little off but basically true. Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Heydrich, et.al., talked themselves into total extermination over the summer and fall of 1941. After the US entered the war, Hitler made his wishes for extermination clear and the Wansee conference in January 1942 formalized the plan.

If anyone hasn't caught the movie Conspiracy about Wansee, it's a must-see.

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Timing is a little off but basically true. Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Heydrich, et.al., talked themselves into total extermination over the summer and fall of 1941. After the US entered the war, Hitler made his wishes for extermination clear and the Wansee conference in January 1942 formalized the plan.

If anyone hasn't caught the movie Conspiracy about Wansee, it's a must-see.

Well, if it's a movie, it's got ta be true.

[hater]

The Wannsee Conference formalised the Nazis’ policy of the extermination of Jews in occupied Europe.

On 20 January 1942, leading Nazi officials met at the Wannsee Conference Villa in Wannsee, a south-western suburb of Berlin. The conference had been called to discuss and coordinate a cheaper, more efficient, and permanent solution to the Nazis’ ‘Jewish problem’. The conference was attended by senior government and SS officials, and coordinated by Reinhard Heydrich .

At the meeting, Heydrich gave a review of Nazis’ Jewish policy, highlighting the recent (September-October 1941) removal of the Jews from the German Reich, and framing it as a temporary solution to the larger Jewish problem.

The final plan for the eleven million Jews in remaining in Europe, as laid out by Heydrich, was to utilise them for work in the east on road works. Those who could not work, or became unable to work after a period of time, would be subject to special treatment. The Nazis used the term ‘special treatment’ as a euphemism for murder.

At the conference, there was also some discussion on the methods of mass murder, although concrete plans were not established. Experiments in using gas as a method of mass murder had already taken place at Chełmno in December 1941, but this was not mentioned and no one method was agreed upon within the meeting.

The meeting lasted approximately two hours.

Whilst the exact methods of mass murder were not laid out in this meeting, it played a significant role in coordinating the Nazis’ genocidal actions. The policy of annihilation to be taken against Jews was made extremely clear by the Nazi leadership. By the end of 1942, six extermination camps were in operation.

Still waiting on evidence that battle of britain changed their minds.

Also exterminating all jews could have been the plan all along. Just not made public till later.

Thats more believable IMO based on Hitlers speeches. Books.

[hater]

Elon :tu

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1712126025503555865

[hater]

Yet another embassy might be evacuated by Joe soon :lmao

Joe :lol

[hater]

A protracted war in Gaza will be a colossal drain on Israel’s resources and can only weaken the country. Its outcome remains anybody’s guess. But on the other hand, Israel believes that it has no diplomatic options, either. On top of it, if Hezbollah enters the fray, all that happened last Saturday in Israel will seem a picnic. With its massive stockpile of advanced missiles — close to 200,000 rockets trained on virtually every nook and corner of Israel — Hezbollah has the capability to destroy Israel comprehensively.

https://www.indianpunchline.com/iran-warns-israel-against-its-apocalyptic-war/

[Thread]

Elon :tu

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1712126025503555865

At least it ain't July. Though do those people even know that A/C exists?

[Thread]

A protracted war in Gaza will be a colossal drain on Israel’s resources and can only weaken the country. Its outcome remains anybody’s guess. But on the other hand, Israel believes that it has no diplomatic options, either. On top of it, if Hezbollah enters the fray, all that happened last Saturday in Israel will seem a picnic. With its massive stockpile of advanced missiles — close to 200,000 rockets trained on virtually every nook and corner of Israel — Hezbollah has the capability to destroy Israel comprehensively.

https://www.indianpunchline.com/iran-warns-israel-against-its-apocalyptic-war/

Please, America is going to underwrite it just like we're underwriting the Nazi's in Z'land.

We'll just leave a marker with both Z & yahoo that is deemed recoverable upon demand. Blinken thru Biden:::"And we ain't fuckin' around, nor asking twice when we present payment due. Is that fully understood?"

It's understood.

But for Americans..."Go fuck yourself till Election Day. Now git!......And don't forget Election Day!"

American Democracy, indeed."

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Wannsee Conference formalised the Nazis’ policy of the extermination of Jews in occupied Europe.

On 20 January 1942, leading Nazi officials met at the Wannsee Conference Villa in Wannsee, a south-western suburb of Berlin. The conference had been called to discuss and coordinate a cheaper, more efficient, and permanent solution to the Nazis’ ‘Jewish problem’. The conference was attended by senior government and SS officials, and coordinated by Reinhard Heydrich .

At the meeting, Heydrich gave a review of Nazis’ Jewish policy, highlighting the recent (September-October 1941) removal of the Jews from the German Reich, and framing it as a temporary solution to the larger Jewish problem.

The final plan for the eleven million Jews in remaining in Europe, as laid out by Heydrich, was to utilise them for work in the east on road works. Those who could not work, or became unable to work after a period of time, would be subject to special treatment. The Nazis used the term ‘special treatment’ as a euphemism for murder.

At the conference, there was also some discussion on the methods of mass murder, although concrete plans were not established. Experiments in using gas as a method of mass murder had already taken place at Chełmno in December 1941, but this was not mentioned and no one method was agreed upon within the meeting.

The meeting lasted approximately two hours.

Whilst the exact methods of mass murder were not laid out in this meeting, it played a significant role in coordinating the Nazis’ genocidal actions. The policy of annihilation to be taken against Jews was made extremely clear by the Nazi leadership. By the end of 1942, six extermination camps were in operation.

Hitler was pretty clear where his views were at in Mein Kompf. He promoted and facilitated Himmler right as he came into power.

There initial plan was to deport them and then when they decided they were going to take over the world and invaded Poland and Russia they implemented the Final Solution.

Saying they initially planned to only deport them at first misses the point.

[Thread]

Yet another embassy might be evacuated by Joe soon :lmao

Joe :lol

Amen.

[Thread]

Hitler was pretty clear where his views were at in Mein Kompf. He promoted and facilitated Himmler right as he came into power.

There initial plan was to deport them and then when they decided they were going to take over the world and invaded Poland and Russia they implemented the Final Solution.

Saying they initially planned to only deport them at first misses the point.

Damn, Russia for sure showed 'em where the bear shit in the buckwheat, eh, Lumps?

[Blake]

Elon :tu

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1712126025503555865

Gosh what a humanitarian

[Thread]

false alarm

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/11/israel-army-says-aerial-infiltration-on-lebanon-border-was-a-false-alarm

1712169495232389499

Everybody is running as fast as they can to cover their asses. Nobody wants to give up those paychecks and pensions, be on a bread line. Uh, uh.

[scott]

You're one of the few posters left who can appreciate that 2012 Wild Cobra takes are mainstream GOP patter now.

Wild Cobra/MadeFromDust 2024. Fire up the ticket!

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1712172138533441912

[hater]

Breaking News: Zelensky asks Kori to merge the Ukraine and Israel threads :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped.

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.

[Cry Havoc]

And to elaborate on that point a little bit -- everything Israel is doing right now is, while perhaps understandable, also very predictable. Hamas has to know this is coming and that this would be the retribution for their attacks. The fact that Israel is going full sail ground offensive in a region that's fraught with civilians and might have to contend with any number of responses up to and including suicide bombers against a foe that is fully aware they're coming makes me think it's not going to be a simple win here.

I also wouldn't put it past Hamas to bomb their own regions if there were enough Israeli soldiers to make it a justifiable target.

[Cry Havoc]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/business/harvard-israel-hamas-ceos-students/index.html

[Thread]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped.[/b]

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.


True, that did work on your bedroom floor with your army guys as a child, but this is different.

Though I still my have box of said army guys and Lincoln Logs out in the garage and can even still get down onto the floor with 'em, but gettin' back up requires the girl and a lot of tricky leverage..."C'mon, honey, on 3, 1,2,3. How bout if I make you a nice Bosco now?"

"Thanks. I'll be by my computer talking to my friends in Texas."

"Sounds good, Dale."

[Winehole23]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped.

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.Assuming total IDF success -- Hamas defeated utterly, with no chance of returning to power or threatening Israel -- many problems will remain. Who will govern Gaza? Will refugees be allowed to return? Will Arab nations sit still for the massive destruction, death and displacement such an operation is sure to involve?

[Winehole23]

Israel has shown no inclination to reoccupy Gaza since the pullout. If it did so, the force required could cause internal political strains and security vulnerabilities elsewhere.

[Winehole23]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped. It's not just dangerous for Bibi's coalition, but for the whole country.

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.There is the bare possibility this is exactly what Hamas wanted Israel to do, and that they've prepared for the eventuality, internally and externally. It's dangerous for Bibi and his coalition, but even more dangerous for the whole country.

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Assuming total IDF success -- Hamas defeated utterly, with no chance of returning to power or threatening Israel -- many problems will remain. Who will govern Gaza? Will refugees be allowed to return? Will Arab nations sit still for the massive destruction, death and displacement such an operation is sure to involve?

...will Biden suffer a coronary, even a double C?

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/war_noir/status/1712037737711194610

[MultiTroll]

Serious Q:

By choking off Gaza, is that doing a damn thing to stop Hamas?

I mean, aren't all their terrorists safely over in Lebanon or Iran or wherever spending the night with multiple goats celebrating?
Pretty sure they thought it thru and didn't say ya, after we cowardly terrorize innocent in Iz, pack it back to Gaza.

So now we've got total innocents in Gaza under horrific conditions.

[Winehole23]

Aid to Gaza is a maybe, but Egypt doesn't want any refugees.


Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, Egyptian security sources said on Wednesday.https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/

[Thread]

Serious Q:

By choking off Gaza, is that doing a damn thing to stop Hamas?

I mean, aren't all their terrorists safely over in Lebanon or Iran or wherever spending the night with multiple goats celebrating?
Pretty sure they thought it thru and didn't say ya, after we cowardly terrorize innocent in Iz, pack it back to Gaza.

So now we've got total innocents in Gaza under horrific conditions.

Does it matter? Now the Jews & yahoo are blood drunk and want pure-body-count. They can't go as far as Ham reportedly did in savagery with the "bodies," (And Ham knew that pre-Saturday), but they can double, triple, even quadruple the death count that Ham will. Ham can't compete, they knew that when they drew first blood and must have prejudged that (first blood) would be enough, because that was as good as it was going to get, and it would never get that good again.

And, Mult; I'll, no, we'll give Biden here in America the same damn advice that "John Coffey" gave in -The Green Mile-..."Careful."...though a wink to a blind man is as good as a nod.

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Aid to Gaza is a maybe, but Egypt doesn't want any refugees.

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/

Egypt chose wisely.

[MultiTroll]

And what are the Hamas buttF's doing for the people remaining in Gaza?

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And what are the Hamas buttF's doing for the people remaining in Gaza?

Its' every man, woman, and child for themselves.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Serious Q:

By choking off Gaza, is that doing a damn thing to stop Hamas?

I mean, aren't all their terrorists safely over in Lebanon or Iran or wherever spending the night with multiple goats celebrating?
Pretty sure they thought it thru and didn't say ya, after we cowardly terrorize innocent in Iz, pack it back to Gaza.

So now we've got total innocents in Gaza under horrific conditions.

Hamas runs Gaza. If they are driven out to Iran and Lebanon then that would achieve Israel's goals I imagine.

[Ef-man]

And what are the Hamas buttF's doing for the people remaining in Gaza?

Right now, they are just dying.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1712225906494709963

[Proxy]

Hamas runs Gaza. If they are driven out to Iran and Lebanon then that would achieve Israel's goals I imagine.

Israel's goals are to decentralize the region ad infinitum, there will always be conflict there as long as the west exists as is

[Proxy]

https://twitter.com/war_noir/status/1712037737711194610

crazy how blatant the pro israel propaganda is and how many people just gobble it down

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crazy how blatant the pro israel propaganda is and how many people just gobble it down

Amen.

[HemisfairArena]

cry me a river, bitches,,,,hope Israel turns up the fuckin' heat,,,,,you embraced hamas, you housed hamas, you fed hamas and now you can stay and die with hamas,,,,no skin off my back,,,,,im actually upset Israel gave you a warning about the upcoming attack and a chance to get out,,,,,hamas and you supporters of it never gave the innocent Israeli people a heads up of what was coming,,,,


‘We’re not Hamas’: Gaza residents say airstrikes are putting civilians in grave danger (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-hamas-gaza-residents-airstrikes-223635896.html)

[Cry Havoc]

Assuming total IDF success -- Hamas defeated utterly, with no chance of returning to power or threatening Israel -- many problems will remain. Who will govern Gaza? Will refugees be allowed to return? Will Arab nations sit still for the massive destruction, death and displacement such an operation is sure to involve?

I assume Israel's objective is to take any/all land they desire in the region, hold it regardless of what the international community says, and just dump the rest to anarchy.

Of course, it'll give rise to more terrorism and more instability in the region, but if they cared even 1% about that situation or about limiting human suffering, we'd never have gotten here to begin with.

The more crudely Israel does here, the more of it's own people it will endanger long-term and the greater likelihood of destabilizing a large portion of the Middle East.

For a nation that says the entire Middle East wants them destroyed, they certainly don't seem to care about anything other than displaying brazen military might. While that might work in Gaza against Palestinians because the international community will hold it's nose, I somehow doubt they will see that kind of unconditional backing if this conflict sprawls.

This could easily protract into a much wider conflict or even an extended cold war with half a dozen other nations directly involved and 2-3x that with indirect involvement.

I somehow doubt even the best military/political minds have a good handle on how far this will end up sprawling. We're in total wild card territory. And the minute we start seeing the kind of atrocities I'm fully expecting from the Israeli troops showing up in media, I'm not optimistic about where this is going to go.

[Thread]

I assume Israel's objective is to take any/all land they desire in the region, hold it regardless of what the international community says, and just dump the rest to anarchy.

Of course, it'll give rise to more terrorism and more instability in the region, but if they cared even 1% about that situation or about limiting human suffering, we'd never have gotten here to begin with.

The more crudely Israel does here, the more of it's own people it will endanger long-term and the greater likelihood of destabilizing a large portion of the Middle East.

For a nation that says the entire Middle East wants them destroyed, they certainly don't seem to care about anything other than displaying brazen military might. While that might work in Gaza against Palestinians because the international community will hold it's nose, I somehow doubt they will see that kind of unconditional backing if this conflict sprawls.

This could easily protract into a much wider conflict or even an extended cold war with half a dozen other nations directly involved and 2-3x that with indirect involvement.

I somehow doubt even the best military/political minds have a good handle on how far this will end up sprawling. We're in total wild card territory. And the minute we start seeing the kind of atrocities I'm fully expecting from the Israeli troops showing up in media, I'm not optimistic about where this is going to go.

...but you/we won't see them (Israeli troops atrocities) if they occur. MSM will keep them hidden, fog them in, redirect them. (They/the other side) must keep and preserve Ham as the Barbarian's in this major dust up. MSM/CNN primarily has the job and duty to accomplish that mission. It's on them and them alone and they're up to it. This is their wheelhouse, where they are at their best and where they will-not-fail. It's what they do, it's all they do, and when called upon it's a thing of abstract beauty to be brutally honest. This is fresh meat for them; they're tired of Trump & of Russia/Ukraine. They've been refreshed by this Ham massacre.

[hater]

cry me a river, bitches,,,,hope Israel turns up the fuckin' heat,,,,,you embraced hamas, you housed hamas, you fed hamas and now you can stay and die with hamas,,,,no skin off my back,,,,,im actually upset Israel gave you a warning about the upcoming attack and a chance to get out,,,,,hamas and you supporters of it never gave the innocent Israeli people a heads up of what was coming,,,,


‘We’re not Hamas’: Gaza residents say airstrikes are putting civilians in grave danger (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-hamas-gaza-residents-airstrikes-223635896.html)

Stages of grief:

Shock

Sadness

Anger/Lashing out - you are here

Acceptance

Reconciliation