Fischer: Spurs Repeatedly Mentioned By NBA Figures As Potential Home For Young

[Spurs Homer]

Today Trae looked like a Hawks' guard version of Zach Collins, lately every deciding game/series he's in, he's a sieve on defense, a turnover machine, and inefficient as a scorer. But oh, he can throw lobs at Wemby :rolleyes

Disingenous....

you know he was coming off an injury and had a wrap on his hand and took it off at halftime...
he also had 3 lobs for dunks - in the first half alone -

with a smaller capela being the recipient - smaller than wemby

and

branham, collins, wesley, vassell, and others are horrible defenders, sloppy turnover prone - low bb iq -

but young would be an issue -

lol

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs with Young as a second banana would be a lot better than they would be in a hypothetical running of it back with the shit roster they have.

But there’s a huge opportunity cost. I’ve read that one possible strategy for the Spurs is to accumulate picks and then trade them for a second star. But is Trae Young that star? He comes with a lot of flaws.

You pull the trigger now, and you might consign the Spurs to be second-round playoff fodder like the Sixers. That’s a lot better than where they are now, but I don’t think that’s the goal.

[JPB]

Not wanting to trade for Trae is one thing, that is perfectly understandable I'm not his biggest fan. But its also about the alternatives and Wemby. You dont choose when and what star is available for you. Would I like a Luka or Giannis instead, yes ofc,, but if the alternative is watching that franchise suck some more trying to develop a bunch of rookies, which they've unsuccessfullh done for two years , for another 2 or 3 years, just adding a couple of vets who wont move thé needle that much and will eat cap space too, puttin you on the treadmill at best... Give meTrae... Not even talking about the ACTUAL possibility of getting Garlands or Bridges..

Again you're not stuck with ,stars today in a much more dynamic and active NBA regarding star movement.
Wemby wants to ompete next year, do you want to deny him that possibity or try with Trae, plus some more vets and see where it goes? Are we really ready to watch that team struggle some more years with Wemby in the middle with no guarantees you'll find better opportunities later?

Who here can honestly say he's on board for even a 30 win season next year? We gotta start seeing Vic in meaningfullgames. He's proved his point this year. There's no point just watch him improve in
losing seasons. We know he's gonna Goat level, that's not THE point anymore. Everything should be centered around him and on giving him help, not tryng to develop other prospects or youngsters with no guarantees of success.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Spurs fans having a hard on for Trae Young is truly one great mysteries to me. He’s a historically bad defender, chucker and not the shooter his reputation suggests. A few years ago his offense was good enough to overcome his poor defense but he’s basically been at league average offensive efficiency now for the past two seasons. If the goal of the FO is to see their names in the headlines in the off season then Young makes sense but not if they’re trying to build a championship contender.

[Extra Stout]

I see the point that with Wembanyama already being a Top 10 player, it’s not a great idea for the Spurs to wait around for several years content to just build through the draft and wait for players to develop. The timeline probably needs to be accelerated, and that would mean trading a large part of the draft pick haul for an established star player.

But Trae Young? He just seems to have a lot of flaws. There’s a reason why Atlanta would want to move on, and it’s not just that he doesn’t mesh with Murray.

[K...]

not necessarily relevant, but my brother says walmart had keldon's gear on clearance.... so trade imminent. did not ask him what part of town he was in, but this would be NW 1604 area , like Bandera RD.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm still pro-Young, but with added caution. Where before I supported dealing ATLs three picks (plus salary) back for Young, I think my willingness to deal picks has shrunk to 2 FRPs, tops - as if this mattered to anybody. I would also scale back the sense of urgency this off-season because it's not far-fetched to think the Spurs will be in a stronger position to deal in the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. If that leads to someone else beating the Spurs to the punch, well, that might just be the best possible outcome of all because most ATL trade possibilities would likely reduce their win totals in the short term, thus boosting the value of the three 1sts. This also has the side-benefit of allowing our misfit band of yute's another half-season season to develop and earn their long-term roster spot (those who want to blow things up now may disagree), and we'll have some sense of how things are beginning to shake out with this year's rookie(s).

[scott]

I wouldn't pay a Michael Jordan super clone 48.9 that's absurd. That's like a third the whole team salary.

So you're going to let Wemby walk after his rookie deal? Because his extension will be 30% of the salary cap, which right now would be about $56MM to start.

Folks need to get over the sticker shock of some of these deals and come to reality with the cost of good players. It's not like its your money anyway :lol

[scott]

Couldn’t agree more. I’m hoping Mike Finger’s reporting that that Spurs will not be the team to match ATL’s price is accurate.

I keep finding it amusing that people are fixating on Trae almost exclusively for his ability to make Wemby the ultimate lob pass threat. Just silly.

I am mostly out on Trae at this point as well, but this is a mischaracterization of what folks are saying and you should be able to recognize that. No one is advocating turning Wemby into Clint Capela who can only catch and dunk lobs. He'd still have his full repertoire, with the added benefit of being able to cash in on the multiple opportunities per game to get Wemby an easy bucket. Those are all incremental to Wemby's game, not substitutive.

[scott]

Well, it's not like the only choice is trade for Trae RIGHT NOW or hope Julian Champagnie magically morphs into Scottie Pippen and Blake Wesley becomes the next Chris Paul. They can improve the roster without gutting their future draft capital and cap space.

But I've despised the notion of Trae Young on the Spurs ever since this idiotic report came out. He's a coach killing shitty teammate and atrocious defender who plays losing basketball. The Hawks are a .500 team with him. They are a .500 team without him. Not that I required one more iota of evidence about what exactly Trae Young is, but when your "superstar" logs a steaming minus 27 in a win or go home game that you lose by 15 while giving up 131 in regulation to one of the most vanilla offenses in the league... you may want to seriously rethink what adding this guy to the Spurs would really look like.

I only wanted to respond specifically to the bolded portion. I think it's important to remember there is a timer on our draft capital, and that timer really starts ticking as soon as May 12 when we know if the TOR pick conveys or not. We could have as many as 6 picks over the next two drafts (this years and next). So, I'm off the opinion that we really should be looking at this summer or the next trade deadline as our best opportunities to cash in some of that capital, because as soon as the picks start conveying the clock enters its final countdown. (Sorry Mitch this wasn't directed at you per se, but you reminded me of this point).


I mean no offense but let us equate Spurs and business. Imagine you take over a company and you have two managers. One (let's name him Hop) used to be an amazing worker and during the heyday of the company he was front and center. But in the past 5-6 years your manager has lost his touch and now is just incompetent at his job and has no control of his employees. The other manager (Ryan Wrong) is in charge of hiring said employees.

Speaking of employees, all of them show up late, aren't in dress code, and never seem to learn or complete basic tasks given to them. They are nice people overall, they are young and it's their first real job. But they have no professionalism and they aren't dependable at all. All except one guy who is your star employee. He always exceeds his goals that you've placed on him. He always comes prepared, you can give him additional responsibilities and he goes even beyond your high expectations for him. The company overall is doing bad and losing money, but they have this one guy who could really grow and expand the business.

Now you have taken over the company, you have set goals and expectations, and trained your team for years, and even after this only one employee is meeting their goals and the rest are still late, still immature, still can't learn/complete basic tasks, and your company is at an all time worst it has ever been... Only Mr. Body would say that getting rid of these bad employees is considered rash and impulsive.

I'll add a 5th one. Spurs make no moves. Sochan plays like he is playing and receives a deal like KJ got. Now we have our cap tied up in a buncha role players in Collins, KJ, Vassell, and Sochan who will never lead us beyond the play-in and probably won't even get us to the play-in. Now in 5 years Wemby can't even reach play-in level and we have our cap eaten away by a buncha mediocre players for the same exact time frame you are spouting.

Trae Young would cost us the exact same as KJ and Collins. He gives us their exact same offensive output points wise, while unlike those two he can actually run an offense. And similar to those two he sucks at defense so it's a wash on that front. He would probably cost us our own 26 pick and either the 25 or 27 ATL pick. That's all his market is for him. It's not even that big of a trade. And he isn't the star player, Wemby is the star player and as long as he shows up, Trae will follow. Btw the dude did lead his team to the ECFs. KJ and Collins led their teams to what exactly?

You forgot that not only do all the bad employees suck at their job, they actively make your good employee's job harder to the point where it appears like they are inadvertently (or maybe even purposely) sabotaging his work performance.

[Kevin]

So you're going to let Wemby walk after his rookie deal? Because his extension will be 30% of the salary cap, which right now would be about $56MM to start.

Folks need to get over the sticker shock of some of these deals and come to reality with the cost of good players. It's not like its your money anyway :lol

Its crazy because LMA made 19.8M his first year with the Spurs and thats Keldon Johnson money now. Top players command 35-50M per year now days. People have to stop living in 2018 for player salaries.

[CGD]

Not even arguing about the pertinence of adding Trae but seeing some spurs fans absolutely not wanting himcos it would 'hurt' the team but trusting the process of developing Wesleys, Branhams or Scchans or wanting Grahams and Mamus to start...

You'd swear some havent watch the team these past two years and realize how awful spurs have been and this roster is, litterally bottom of the league, with nobody yet you'd like tl start on a contender. .Reality check, that team has been badly sucking for 2 years and all they have today is Wemb, a guy who is serious about starting to wiin now.

Picks? Sure but all you have with picks is hope and uncertainty,. Thats not a guarantee in any way. Many teams have had picks these past years and are still nowhere. If you dont pick well, which spurs haven't lately, you're condemned to find the 'right' deal with whoever would actually be interested in yoir picks, with little assets besides to bulk up the trade (lets not overvalue our current players in other GMs eyes). And we're seing what developing picks in a losing culture is giving, players with low BBIQ who don't know how to win. Ask Detroit or Philly about piling up picks.

The 'yeah we suck now but we have picks!!!'' Mantra and proscratination can be tricky and dangerous. Thats betting on a necessarily better furure. But the NBA doesnt revolve around the spurs and other teams are working too. Should have OKC reject the Shai trade to trust the process and build through the draft for 4 years? They pulled the trigger and were right. Now Chet is contending in his rookie year. It's never too early to be competitive, TP was in his first year too. You dont absolutely have to be patient but simply smart. Wating doesnt guarantee you anything.

Specially, and last but not least, spurs would be badly inspired, but I'm sure they re starting to realize that, to consider they have Wemby locked for his first 7 years in the NBA The guy Is really different on that aspects of things too, and is serious about being competitive as soon as next year. Vic will make hundreds of millions in his career, if not billions, out of his contracts and endorsments, its not losing a 'few' dozens millions on the table that would keep him here after his rookie deal... spurs are under pressure to give Wemby a winning team soon, the countdown has already started for them.

Or they could hold their powder and trade for a less shitty disgruntled star?

Why does it have to be Trae when there will be other players? Hell, in two weeks the national media will start cranking up the Mitchell, PG13, and Giannis trade rumor mill. And then there are players like Bridges, Garland, Lauri, Herro, etc etc that will be in all sorts of rumors here soon.

I get it Trae Young lobs the ball.

[JPB]

I see the point that with Wembanyama already being a Top 10 player, it’s not a great idea for the Spurs to wait around for several years content to just build through the draft and wait for players to develop. The timeline probably needs to be accelerated, and that would mean trading a large part of the draft pick haul for an established star player.

But Trae Young? He just seems to have a lot of flaws. There’s a reason why Atlanta would want to move on, and it’s not just that he doesn’t mesh with Murray.

I get that but he might not just be made for the alpha/leader role, which he wouldn't asked to be in SA, while his skills are clearly fitting with Wemby. Thats what you'd ideally get, a creator, passer, shooting, lob master in Trae, with Wemby as the alpha. Vic should average 6=8 lobs a game in the NBA or you're misusing his size advantage. Seeing a Vic/Trae 2 man game is really intriguing. We can't spend another year watching his teammates ignore or miss him on offense and defenses triple teamming him...His life should be much easier on offense and he shouldn't have to.force like he has to sometimes... He has nobody to play with on that team as his 2 man game with Devin is... what 2 man game?

Giving him Trae as a PG would really open up a lot of things for Wemby and this team, then let the kid talent do the rest.

[objective]

Trae Young might be frighteningly highly paid, undersized with bad defense who will cost a lot in the acquiring .... But the alternatives.... Are they much better?

The Spurs had their chance at an underappreciated potential under the radar young free agent in Coby White but blew it chasing bad contracts to take on for draft compensation. Now Coby is one of the best contracts in the league.

Who else is realistic to get?

Dejounte isn't as cheap as people might think with his trade bonus. But he can't throw lobs, doesn't defend anymore or can't at this stage, and is always feuding with frenemies real and imagined. He talks real nice about Pop and Wemby now but you know he's just one tiny supposed disrespect away from deleting everything Spurs from his socials and ranting against everyone.

Darius Garland is just an arguably worse version of Young, same 6-1, max contract, high turnovers disappointment.

Tyus Jones isn't much of an upgrade over Tre Jones, hell they both are close to 12 points and 7 assists as starters. Tyus is just as small.

Chris Paul could be a caretaker but is so old and washed he could need an undertaker

Quickley didn't really show he was that guy in Toronto and would probably take a Max contract to get him

Then there's the draft

Dillingham might take years to improve enough to get as bad as Trae Young is now on defense

Shepperd might be a combo or 2guard who couldn't handle being the full time point guard

Topic gets to the rim and has size with his expendable neck and beluga head, but he can't shoot or defend

Juan Nunez is an incredible passer who has the vision and mapping to succeed, but has chosen to shoot lefty despite being right handed and as a result can't shoot 3s or even free throws. Because if there's any point guard's shooting philosophy to copy, it's Ben Simmons

And there's other guys who have size but maybe not the shooting or probably aren't real point guards.

Young is not ideal, and it seems like he's not in the cards anyway if Finger is to be believed. But I do think he'd be an upgrade and get the team to a top 10 offense.

And the modern NBA is all about offense. Most of the top playoff teams are top offense teams except Minnesota. Scoring is the name of the game now and Young has been a big part of successful offenses over his career.

[scott]

TBH, I'd rather "blow our load" on someone like Lauri (assuming he'll agree to re-sign, which is a risk), and then have a caretaker PG (for now) like Monte Morris (career .391 3P shooter) with Tre behind him. We don't need our PG to be our second star.

[pad300]

Ok, anyone in this thread saying "I'm only willing to trade 3 picks (or less) for Trae" is functionally saying "No to Trae", because there is no way in the world that ATL will accept less from SAS than all of what they paid for DJ (which was 3 picks and a swap) and MORE (because Trae is a more valuable player)...

So can the bullshit and just admit, that your position is No to Trae.

[mo7888]

Ok, anyone in this thread saying "I'm only willing to trade 3 picks (or less) for Trae" is functionally saying "No to Trae", because there is no way in the world that ATL will accept less from SAS than all of what they paid for DJ (which was 3 picks and a swap) and MORE (because Trae is a more valuable player)...

So can the bullshit and just admit, that your position is No to Trae.

Ok....my position is 'No' to Trae...

[Kevin]

TBH, I'd rather "blow our load" on someone like Lauri (assuming he'll agree to re-sign, which is a risk), and then have a caretaker PG (for now) like Monte Morris (career .391 3P shooter) with Tre behind him. We don't need our PG to be our second star.

Love Lauri and they would also get his Bird rights so he would have to leave behind millions of dollars on the table.

Get both Trae and Lauri and we're unstoppable on offense. How do you solve that puzzle? Wemby's all around gravity, Young's playmaking and Lauri's outside shooting as a PF would be almost impossible to stop. They fit together perfectly.

[baseline bum]

Ok, anyone in this thread saying "I'm only willing to trade 3 picks (or less) for Trae" is functionally saying "No to Trae", because there is no way in the world that ATL will accept less from SAS than all of what they paid for DJ (which was 3 picks and a swap) and MORE (because Trae is a more valuable player)...

So can the bullshit and just admit, that your position is No to Trae.

Not the Spurs fault the Hawks overpaid for Dejounte. What I would offer is their two picks back in 25 and 27, rip up the 26 swap, give them the Chicago pick, and Graham + Zollins as matching salary. Or change the Chicago pick to the Charlotte one back if they want Keldon instead of Graham.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Having championship aspirations and having Trae Young on your team are mutually exclusive. It’s no exaggeration to say he’s one of the worst defenders in history. He makes James Harden look like Bruce Bowen. There’s a difference between being a really good player but unable to win a championship as a franchise cornerstone and being a losing player that puts up gaudy numbers. Young is the latter. The desire in this thread to get Young is simply driven by paranoia that Wemby will leave SA because of what Kawhi did. The Spurs can do a lot better than Trae Young with their assets. Wemby would be sick of playing with him a third into the season.

[Leetonidas]

Does anyone have actual stats to back up Trae being the worst defender ever or is this something that just gets repeated so much people assume it must be true? Serious question. Im sure he probably sucks since he's a midget but curious what stats people are actually basing this off of

[Raven]

well i knew he was an atrocious player, but he redefined modern badness with this last one.

[CorrectCrusader]

So you're going to let Wemby walk after his rookie deal? Because his extension will be 30% of the salary cap, which right now would be about $56MM to start.

Folks need to get over the sticker shock of some of these deals and come to reality with the cost of good players. It's not like its your money anyway :lol

People just don't understand that the cap goes up and so does the average contract. Penny pinchers in sports are stupid anyway.

[spurraider21]

why settle for Trae?

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[objective]

Of the two Washed Brothers, Curry is definitely the preferred option but I doubt he's available at a fair price

[Mugen]

:lol Curry isn't going anywhere tbh

[Robz4000]

Curry is retiring a Warrior tbh.

[SpursBills]

why settle for Trae?

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Where’s Chinook at? This is exactly the D-wade/Shaq situation he’s been pushing for

[z0sa]

One thing that I personally find baffling is some’s viewpoints we’d be betting the farm on Trae and if it doesn't work out, we’re screwed or “semis” caliber only.

So what? Wemby is only 20. If Young sucks and leaves/won’t take a less than max offer from us, Wemby will be all of 22 or 23. We can see by this year’s results that even a non-human Alien can’t overcome shit teammates. We simply try again. One thing Wemby won’t be able to say, though, if Young doesn’t work out is that the Spurs are cheap or unwilling to take chances on building around him.

I think the 2014 mentality is actually still incredibly manifest everywhere for the Spurs. We don’t have some solid, proven core to build around at all, though. This team is hot garbage with every player but Wemby either regressing or essentially treading water in our pursuit of wins. It’s indisputable we need talent and this team underachieved, even by Vegas standards. Another 20ish win season with this club should not be anyone’s goal

[objective]

If the Bucks melt down and Giannis asks out, then Lillard could become an option

[JeffDuncan]

One thing that I personally find baffling is some’s viewpoints we’d be betting the farm on Trae and if it doesn't work out, we’re screwed or “semis” caliber only.


Yeah, some people are madly terrified of having “the wrong player” on a team that hasn’t had a winning record in five years. You’d think they’d be used to having the wrong players by now, and plenty of them. Lol

If a player doesn’t work out, you just move him however he can be moved, and try again. There’s nothing to be afraid of.

But if Atlanta is really going to break things up, and Trae Young is not acceptable, the target should be DJM. The tank for Wemby has been accomplished, so it’s safe for DJM to return.

How to get DJM? Get their attention by offering Devin Vassell for him. The Spurs need an NBA-quality point guard a lot more than they need Vassell. And if Atlanta is keeping Trae, and trading DJM, they would presumably be interested in a shooting guard.

[JeffDuncan]

If the Bucks melt down and Giannis asks out, then Lillard could become an option


Lillard? Do not want.

[The Truth #6]

If the Bucks melt down and Giannis asks out, then Lillard could become an option

Or the other guy.

[scott]

Here is a different take...

If Atlanta is going to blow it up... how about Jalen Johnson? He shot .355 this year on decent volume for his role (3.6 attempts/gm) and has shown consistent improvement in this area. Can fit that "MPJ" role at the 3 or 4 for us.

Unfortunately, he's likely the main piece that will be viewed as vital for them to keep by their FO.

[spurraider21]

Here is a different take...

If Atlanta is going to blow it up... how about Jalen Johnson? He shot .355 this year on decent volume for his role (3.6 attempts/gm) and has shown consistent improvement in this area. Can fit that "MPJ" role at the 3 or 4 for us.

Unfortunately, he's likely the main piece that will be viewed as vital for them to keep by their FO.
if ATL blows it up, he might be the one guy they refuse to move

[Ariel]

Disingenous....

you know he was coming off an injury and had a wrap on his hand and took it off at halftime...
he also had 3 lobs for dunks - in the first half alone
Well, the injury didn't seem to bother him when he lauched a long, uncontested 3 to stad pad in the last seconds with both teams already calling the quits. Didn't look injured as well when Miami targeted and exposed him. Want to settle for a few nice alley oops and fancy passes? Sure, go get Trae. But don't complain when the Spurs are picked apart in the playoffs and can't get any help because they've burned a large chunk of their assets getting him and tied their capspace to max him out.

[Seventyniner]

if ATL blows it up, he might be the one guy they refuse to move

I agree. If the Hawks can get their 2025/2026/2027 draft control back from the Spurs, or maybe even just 2025/2026, they might tear it all down by trading both Young and Murray with the idea of building around Jalen Johnson.

I think the Wolves are a natural fit for a three-team trade with the Hawks and Spurs. The Hawks want their draft control back, the Wolves reportedly want Murray and might want to dump some salary, and the Spurs have cap space to absorb some salary and might want Young.

The skeleton of a deal could look like this:

ATL sends Young, Murray
ATL receives McDaniels, Keldon, Collins, Graham (guaranteed at $12.5M), ATL 2025, undo ATL/SAS 2026 swap, ATL 2027
MIN sends Reid, McDaniels, Alexander-Walker
MIN receives Murray, CHI 2025
SAS sends Keldon, Collins, Graham, whatever seconds are needed to grease the wheels
SAS receives Young, Reid, Alexander-Walker

Why the teams would do it:

ATL gets to do a proper teardown with their own picks and can build around Jalen Johnson and McDaniels
MIN gets under the tax and acquires Murray, plus a pick to sweeten the deal
SAS gets a massive talent upgrade

I'm not saying this is realistic exactly as proposed, or even exactly possible under the CBA, or even necessarily a good idea for the Spurs, though I did try to make the salaries match (up to the Spurs' available cap space) and keep the Wolves out of the tax, which is why they have to send both Reid and McDaniels.

If the Spurs don't want Young there are ways to rope in a fourth team that does want Young, but at that point there would be so many moving parts that it would be very difficult to get the deal over the finish line.

[Spurs Homer]

Well, the injury didn't seem to bother him when he lauched a long, uncontested 3 to stad pad in the last seconds with both teams already calling the quits. Didn't look injured as well when Miami targeted and exposed him. Want to settle for a few nice alley oops and fancy passes? Sure, go get Trae. But don't complain when the Spurs are picked apart in the playoffs and can't get any help because they've burned a large chunk of their assets getting him and tied their capspace to max him out.

Or dont get trae and most def - do not complain when
zollins and branham and wesley get you the exact same thing they got you the past couple seasons...

as if YOU were paying for youngs salary - lol

[Ariel]

Or dont get trae and most def - do not complain when
zollins and branham and wesley get you the exact same thing they got you the past couple seasons...

as if YOU were paying for youngs salary - lol
You exude such salary cap knowledge that I find it intimidating.

[Spurs Homer]

You exude such salary cap knowledge that I find it intimidating.

that makes it a wash -since your basketball knowledge is about equal to my salary cap knowledge

[timtonymanu]

Sniffers don’t want LeBron James, they don’t want Trae young. Ya’ll act like we have another star other than Wemby coming out of this draft. Like yeah the whole plan to get a star can tank and it can fall flat on its face but it’s better than hoping Branham and Wesley become nba players. Y’all act like they can develop like Manu and Tony. The Spurs can be patient but this is being too patient.

You guys really want to run back the same 22 win team. You guys also realize pop has brain farts as well and might not even play the right players like usual until it’s too late. Spurs have a superstar and should be in win now mode. It won’t be overnight but they have to do something.

[TD 21]

Again, not defending specially Trae, but let's try to stay fair and objective. That was one game out of injury and his TS% on that game is not that bad. Embiid scored 23 on 6/17 shooting last night, in a 1 point win thanks to Batum going bonanza on 3 (and blocking a potential game winner). Not sure we can say Embiid shat the bed and is a wortless player spurs wouldnt trade for...

But we can argue about Trae's value overall.


Not wanting to trade for Trae is one thing, that is perfectly understandable I'm not his biggest fan. But its also about the alternatives and Wemby. You dont choose when and what star is available for you. Would I like a Luka or Giannis instead, yes ofc,, but if the alternative is watching that franchise suck some more trying to develop a bunch of rookies, which they've unsuccessfullh done for two years , for another 2 or 3 years, just adding a couple of vets who wont move thé needle that much and will eat cap space too, puttin you on the treadmill at best... Give meTrae... Not even talking about the ACTUAL possibility of getting Garlands or Bridges..

Again you're not stuck with ,stars today in a much more dynamic and active NBA regarding star movement.


I am mostly out on Trae at this point as well, but this is a mischaracterization of what folks are saying and you should be able to recognize that.


Trae Young might be frighteningly highly paid, undersized with bad defense who will cost a lot in the acquiring .... But the alternatives.... Are they much better?


Who else is realistic to get?

Young is not ideal, and it seems like he's not in the cards anyway if Finger is to be believed. But I do think he'd be an upgrade and get the team to a top 10 offense.

And the modern NBA is all about offense. Most of the top playoff teams are top offense teams except Minnesota. Scoring is the name of the game now and Young has been a big part of successful offenses over his career.

:tu These agenda pushers are just waiting to pounce, living and dying with every Hawks result, taking basic things out of context and repeating obvious things.

These reasoned, objective, in some cases maybe even devil's advocate takes will inevitably be taken as you wanting him at all costs and not understanding his deficiencies.

[timtonymanu]

:lmao you thought this team was winning 40 games, shut the fuck up loser. your opinion is less than worthless

Josh Primo does nice in some G-League highlights. "You son of a bitch, I'm in."

Trae Young takes his team to the ECF two years ago and has made a couple all star games. "Nah he doesn't play defense and will stall our process."

LMAO can't write this shit.

[Mnky]

Traes body language that last game soured me on him quite a bit. That ain't the way to do it.

Spurs aren't getting trae unless it's a bargain, that's always been established. It'll only happen if it's a bargain and at that point there's no reason not to spin the wheels. That salary has to go somewhere. We still don't have high dollar players outside of dev. I don't see sochan breaking the bank either. I'd rather 40 Mil go to someone who helps wembys life than to 3 or 4 guys who get starter minutes andnwouldnt get bench minutes on most other teams. Call me crazy.

But yea, it's not a sell the farm type deal bringing trae to SA. If it was, nah it ain't worth it. Which is exactly why it's always been unlikely to happen.

Curry would be a sale the farm type without thinking twice. His game ages well. He's got plenty of thread on those tires. People would take pay cuts for curry ans wemby. Don't see warriors ever letting that happen tho.

[Pauleta14]

Mike Finger seems pretty sure Spurs won't trade for Trae...

quote "As tempting as it might sound to send a big package of role players and first-rounders to Atlanta for Trae Young this summer, that move isn't going to happen"

He sees Spurs fixing PG issue via draft and shooting via trades

https://archive.ph/hzRzs

[tbdog]

ALT don't trade young for a low price, just because. Same as Murray. They will ride it out and hope their stock increases. Murray value is high right now and is the likely move. Unless they see him as the center piece moving forward.

[Ariel]

ALT don't trade young for a low price, just because. Same as Murray. They will ride it out and hope their stock increases. Murray value is high right now and is the likely move. Unless they see him as the center piece moving forward.
Atlanta usually overpays and then they refuse to accept the sunk cost, asking for unrealistic returns which only causes them to drag things further until it's too late. John Collins was on the trade block for what, 3 years before they cut their losses? the Capela / Okongwu situation, with 2 good but incompatible assets in the same position while lacking elsewhere, DeAndre Hunter should have been moved long ago. They'll most likely put a superstar price tag on Trae, 2 most likely destinations for him IMO are: 1) Brooklyn (desperate for a star to play alongside Bridges, Sean Marks' job is on the line, and they have plenty of promising Suns' picks) 2) Lakers (Reaves + all available picks).

[BatManu20]

Trae practically begging the Spurs to trade for him tbh :lol

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[JPB]

The thing about adding Trae or not is that you dont have to see it from an individual perspective, just considering Atlanta Trae, in a different context, and saying you dont want that.

It's not Wemby + Atlanta Trae but Wemby AND Trae together in SA, in a different configuration, and how they can help and make each other better.

Vic doesn't need another superstar next to him, quite the contrary. He needs his sidekick, his Pippen who ended up as an HOFER, but as experence showed wasnt made to be the alpha guy, like Trae might not be either... But he might be perfect next to Wemby, as the sidekick, also elevating his game as a great but not too great player who can help Wemby express all his potential without fighting for the alpha role.

And yeah, Trae's salary = Devin + Keldon. I take the first option any day. One superior talent player always beat two inferior talent players.

[superbigtime]

Gimme Dejounte and his all caps social media proclamations.

[Seventyniner]

Trae practically begging the Spurs to trade for him tbh :lol

If the Spurs really want Young, then Young asking for a trade, especially if it's specifically to the Spurs, is good because it would really lower the asking price. It could be the Number Two situation in reverse.

Then again, when you trade for a guy who is willing to malinger his way off a team, you get a guy who is willing to malinger his way off a team. The Raptors got their trophy in the Number Two trade but then he walked away.

[LeBowen]

If the Spurs really want Young, then Young asking for a trade, especially if it's specifically to the Spurs, is good because it would really lower the asking price. It could be the Number Two situation in reverse.

Then again, when you trade for a guy who is willing to malinger his way off a team, you get a guy who is willing to malinger his way off a team. The Raptors got their trophy in the Number Two trade but then he walked away.

I don't think it's comparable.
Nephew was on an expiring deal and everyone knew he was a rental.
Trae has three years left on his deal. And unlike nephew, he didn't ghost his franchise.

As for that quote, that will be the decisive factor when he gets trader, regardless of where he goes.
Small guards aren't good enough to be the first option in the modern NBA with all these freak athletes. Curry is an outlier and his shooting is an anomaly we might never see again.
If Trae fully buys in into floor general, past first role, he'd do way better.
Right now, people are effectively shitting on a second option because he's not good enough to carry a horrible team.
Just look at their bench in Chicago game.
Wesley Matthews' corpse, Bruno Fernando, Garrison Matthews, Mouhamed Gueye. Like what the hell is that? Those four wouldn't even make our bench.
And Trae was stuck playing with them because Snyder knew that was the only chance they have to not get blown out.

Btw, he was out for 6 weeks and obviously not healthy.
My only concern with him would be turnovers.

[manufan10]

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I don't know how the Mavs are third in odds to land Trae.

[Mugen]

The Bulls/Mavs don't make sense in that list. I could see Ainge pulling the trigger on a Trae Young trade tbh but I think he's focused on the '25 draft.

[baseline bum]

Mike Finger seems pretty sure Spurs won't trade for Trae...

quote "As tempting as it might sound to send a big package of role players and first-rounders to Atlanta for Trae Young this summer, that move isn't going to happen"

He sees Spurs fixing PG issue via draft and shooting via trades

https://archive.ph/hzRzs

Hopefully Finger is just pulling stuff out his ass and not connected, because that makes it sound like they'd want Topic.

[Spurs Homer]

Spurs fans who are scoffing at Trae think all-star point guards grow on trees...

Its like a 400 pound fat boy who lives on whataburger and taco cabana 24/7 and never seeing the inside of a gym saying he does not want that exotic supermodel -

because she has a tat on her ankle!

[Mugen]

Hopefully Finger is just pulling stuff out his ass and not connected, because that makes it sound like they'd want Topic.

He's coming, bum. The Savior.

https://moaapi.net/sites/default/files/2023-08/hot-topic-storefront.jpg

[objective]

While I would like Trae Young, I don't want any part of Darius Garland

If it's the choice between 3 picks for Young or 2 picks for Garland, I'd take Trae Young.

If the choice is trading for Garland or nothing but the draft and patience, I'll take the draft.

Just not into Garland at all, he's the worse version of Young, just no upside of the huge clutch playoff games that Young has had in the past

[MaNu4Tres]

While I would like Trae Young, I don't want any part of Darius Garland

If it's the choice between 3 picks for Young or 2 picks for Garland, I'd take Trae Young.

If the choice is trading for Garland or nothing but the draft and patience, I'll take the draft.

Just not into Garland at all, he's the worse version of Young, just no upside of the huge clutch playoff games that Young has had in the past

Spurs are not trading for any of them.

It’s not happening.

[poopbox]

The Bulls/Mavs don't make sense in that list. I could see Ainge pulling the trigger on a Trae Young trade tbh but I think he's focused on the '25 draft.

Yeah I expect Utah to trade everyone in the off season and bottom out. Currently constructed they are never going to be bad enough for a top 5 pick. And Ainge is not going to try and build around Trae and Lauri. They probably couldn't do as much as Mitchell and Gobert did there.

[JPB]

Yeah I expect Utah to trade everyone in the off season and bottom out. Currently constructed they are never going to be bad enough for a top 5 pick. And Ainge is not going to try and build around Trae and Lauri. They probably couldn't do as much as Mitchell and Gobert did there.

Looks like they've rather opted to rebuild by the middle.

[CGD]

While I would like Trae Young, I don't want any part of Darius Garland

If it's the choice between 3 picks for Young or 2 picks for Garland, I'd take Trae Young.

If the choice is trading for Garland or nothing but the draft and patience, I'll take the draft.

Just not into Garland at all, he's the worse version of Young, just no upside of the huge clutch playoff games that Young has had in the past

I like the theory of Garland on SAS quite a bit actually, but boy has he taken a step back this year. Not sure why other than the weird fit with Mitchell messing with his head.

[manufan10]

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[Robz4000]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1782535884430082558

[ace3g]

If it was a choice between Trae Young or Dejounte Murray, I would go with Dejounte.

[Robz4000]

If it was a choice between Trae Young or Dejounte Murray, I would go with Dejounte.

Same tbh. That being said, wouldn't trade the Hawks back their picks for him.

[Rubberducky]

It could be that the Spurs are trying to drive the price lower. They'd like to have Trae Young but obviously aren't willing to give up the ATL 25 pick (think everyone here agrees with not giving it up). If enough GM's/Media drive the price low enough between now and July, ATL is forced to either a) bring the same disappointing roster back (good for us), b) trade Trae/DJ to someone else and get worse (REALLY good for us) or c) relent and trade Trae to us without the ATL 25 pick (also good for us).

Spurs can just be patient and just focus on themselves and this upcoming draft while the Hawks collapse into themselves like a dying star.

[DesignatedT]

Rather keep the Hawks picks and sign Quickley then trade for either of those two at this point.

[DAF86]

Spurs fans who are scoffing at Trae think all-star point guards grow on trees...

Its like a 400 pound fat boy who lives on whataburger and taco cabana 24/7 and never seeing the inside of a gym saying he does not want that exotic supermodel -

because she has a tat on her ankle!

Young, Dejounte, Garland, Mitchell, Doncic, Irving, Lillard, Jrue, Derrick, Brunson, Maxey, Fox, SGA, Cade, Ivey, Sexton, Coby White, Jamal, Mcullum, Russell, Beal, Booker, Curry, Paul, Harden, Morant, LaMelo, Haliburton, VanVleet, Quickley, Conley.

The point guard/combo guard position is the easiest to find a "starish" player, at least one that can be a top 3 option on a team. There's literally almost one for every team in the league. Chances are this upcoming draft provides 2 to 3 of these players. There is no need to go after an extremely expensive, extremely flawed one, tbh.

[Knoxxx]

How about we give ATL back their 27 FRP and Keldon for Murray? Then ATL could still offload Young for a lesser rated PG and draft pick(s) and go full rebuild?

We still keep their next year pick which is likely now worth more, as potentially their 26 pick swap rights would also be.

Murray brings defense, shooting, playmaking, and veteran savvy at PG while not being too old which many express as a concern.

[Gandalf]

How about we give ATL back their 27 FRP and Keldon for Murray? Then ATL could still offload Young for a lesser rated PG and draft pick(s) and go full rebuild?

We still keep their next year pick which is likely now worth more, as potentially their 26 pick swap rights would also be.

Murray brings defense, shooting, playmaking, and veteran savvy at PG while not being too old which many express as a concern.

I’d be more okay with this if we did it after they traded Young for picks (i.e., more or less guaranteeing the 2025 pick we keep and the pick swap in 2026 are good lottery picks).

[Knoxxx]

I’d be more okay with this if we did it after they traded Young for picks (i.e., more or less guaranteeing the 2025 pick we keep and the pick swap in 2026 are good lottery picks).

The reality is we have ATL so far over a barrel that both teams seem to have an incentive to work together. Murray is cheaper than Young and I think a strong case can be made that he is the better overall player too. Murray seems like he could either be a multi year PG solution or at least a fine mentor for a drafted PG in waiting.

[JPB]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1782535884430082558

That means they are then :lol

At least I know who Kurt Helin from Basketballtalk is now...

[Spurs Homer]

Young, Dejounte, Garland, Mitchell, Doncic, Irving, Lillard, Jrue, Derrick, Brunson, Maxey, Fox, SGA, Cade, Ivey, Sexton, Coby White, Jamal, Mcullum, Russell, Beal, Booker, Curry, Paul, Harden, Morant, LaMelo, Haliburton, VanVleet, Quickley, Conley.

The point guard/combo guard position is the easiest to find a "starish" player, at least one that can be a top 3 option on a team. There's literally almost one for every team in the league. Chances are this upcoming draft provides 2 to 3 of these players. There is no need to go after an extremely expensive, extremely flawed one, tbh.

How many on this list are

1) point guards? - NOT combo
2) under 28 years old?
3) available to the spurs this summer?

[DAF86]

How many on this list are

1) point guards? - NOT combo
2) under 28 years old?
3) available to the spurs this summer?

I was just making the point that guard is the easiest position to get good players. With patience you will end up with a good one without having to overpay for an extremely expensive and flawed one.

[Spurs Homer]

I was just making the point that guard is the easiest position to get good players. With patience you will end up with a good one without having to overpay for an extremely expensive and flawed one.


fair enough

i dont see trae young as an overspend and also vw would appreciate that the spurs are going out of their comfort zone to get him some real help- real soon

vw would be perfect to cover up most of trae’s “alleged” defensive weaknesses

[JPB]

I was just making the point that guard is the easiest position to get good players. With patience you will end up with a good one without having to overpay for an extremely expensive and flawed one.


Sure you can have decent guards for reasonable prices but not the ones you'll contend with...What about the talented playmakers who can drive, shoot and create spurs need? ow many contenders or PO team do have a good PG/guard who really make a diffrence they got for cheap or they didn't have to make a signifcant effort for?

MIL tarded for Dame, OKC traded for SGA, NY traded for Brunson. BOS traded for White, ATL traded for Murray. NJ, PHI and Clips traded for Harden, MIA tried to trade for Dame, DAL traded for Irving, Suns traded for Beal, HOU gave 80/2 to Fred Van Vleet, MIN got Conley for reasonable price but they're not ringing with him as PG.

You can always draft it, but that's really not a given and spurs badly need it to help Victor.

[ambchang]

fair enough

i dont see trae young as an overspend and also vw would appreciate that the spurs are going out of their comfort zone to get him some real help- real soon

vw would be perfect to cover up most of trae’s “alleged” defensive weaknesses

I think it’s you would appreciate the spurs go out of the comfort zone. Nobody here knows wemby, let alone what he appreciates and not appreciate.

[ambchang]

Sure you can have decent guards for reasonable prices but not the ones you'll contend with...What about the talented playmakers who can drive, shoot and create spurs need? ow many contenders or PO team do have a good PG/guard who really make a diffrence they got for cheap or they didn't have to make a signifcant effort for?

MIL tarded for Dame, OKC traded for SGA, NY traded for Brunson. BOS traded for White, ATL traded for Murray. NJ, PHI and Clips traded for Harden, MIA tried to trade for Dame, DAL traded for Irving, Suns traded for Beal, HOU gave 80/2 to Fred Van Vleet, MIN got Conley for reasonable price but they're not ringing with him as PG.

You can always draft it, but that's really not a given and spurs badly need it to help Victor.

Fact that so many teams traded for PG means many teams traded away PGs. In all the scenarios there PGs were traded the teams that traded for them went no where with them and the teams that traded them away went nowhere with them.

Also, white is not a superstar PG. neither is Conley and I would argue van fleet too.

[Spurs Homer]

I think it’s you would appreciate the spurs go out of the comfort zone. Nobody here knows wemby, let alone what he appreciates and not appreciate.

We do know wemby wants to win now.
We do know he hates losing.
We do know wemby is surrounded by utter garbage - and not one of his teammates plays defense - so Trae young would absolutely not worsen their horrible defense....it is impossible to be worse.

We do know Trae young would make up for his defense with OFFENSE and ASSISTS and would give wemby much needed help.

We are beginning to learn that most fans here got really comfortable with losing and sucking and "future planning" and place this "future dream roster" above winning games.

We will soon learn how patient wemby really is- I guess.

[Mr. Body]

The utter failure of Bradley Beal for Phoenix is what Trae Young is. At least he's not quite as expensive and doesn't have a no-trade clause, but both require the ball in their hands and suck in the playoffs. Whoever trades for Young will get an albatross.

[LeBowen]

The utter failure of Bradley Beal for Phoenix is what Trae Young is. At least he's not quite as expensive and doesn't have a no-trade clause, but both require the ball in their hands and suck in the playoffs. Whoever trades for Young will get an albatross.

Do you just wake up and randomly decide on which bad takes to post?
Idk where to even begin.

1. Beal missed like half the season and is obviously not healthy.
2. He's a horrible fit with that team, neither him nor Booker are point guards.
3. He was always a great off the ball player while Wizards were good, but for some reason you think he requires the ball.
4. Trae achieved way more in him in the playoffs. Stats and game to game analysis were posted in here multiple times.
5. Trae will earn 10 million less per year and is 5 years younger.
6. Noone is saying Trae is a superstar or would be a guaranteed success here, but his contract for the next season is less than Keldon+Collins+Tre will get. I'm sure that if you swap Trae with those three, we get way more wins.

[R. DeMurre]

yet…”no defense” “liability” is the excuse even tho we have the worst garbage defensive players in the nba already
but trae youngs defense is the concern

geniuses!


Understanding that the D without Wemby is terrible is exactly the reason why the Spurs shouldn't pursue Trae.... the last thing this team needs is a high salaried player who limits future flexibility while also making a terrible defensive team somehow worse on defense. Trae is a worse defender than Tre Jones or Keldon or Cedi Osman-- why on earth would you want to make this team worse defensively than it already is?

[Spurs Homer]

Understanding that the D without Wemby is terrible is exactly the reason why the Spurs shouldn't pursue Trae.... the last thing this team needs is high salaried player who limits future flexibility while also making a terrible defensive team somehow worse on defense. Trae is a worse defender than Tre Jones or Keldon or Cedi Osman-- why on earth would you want to make this team worse defensively than it already is?

Ridiculous.

If the spurs had 1 or 2 all stars OTHER than wemby - your argument would fly. Of course if the spurs already had two other stars - then going after trae would not be advisable.

Branham, vassell, wesley, et al

are some of the worst - defensive -players in the nba and you are worried about trae youngs faults?

It just does not calculate.

[Mr. Body]

Do you just wake up and randomly decide on which bad takes to post?
Idk where to even begin.

1. Beal missed like half the season and is obviously not healthy.
2. He's a horrible fit with that team, neither him nor Booker are point guards.
3. He was always a great off the ball player while Wizards were good, but for some reason you think he requires the ball.
4. Trae achieved way more in him in the playoffs. Stats and game to game analysis were posted in here multiple times.
5. Trae will earn 10 million less per year and is 5 years younger.
6. Noone is saying Trae is a superstar or would be a guaranteed success here, but his contract for the next season is less than Keldon+Collins+Tre will get. I'm sure that if you swap Trae with those three, we get way more wins.

Trae doesn't win games. Period. Get off the little man's dick. Just watching him in the play in was excruciating.

[manufan10]

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[SpurSpike]

Windhorst fanning the flames again... I mean Trae fits the description of what Windhorst is saying, star player that realizes he cant win it alone, middle career, has shown interest to play with wemby already...

Spurs are trying to hide it with the local media saying no, no Trae is a terrible match with Wemby, lol.

[spurraider21]

windy doesnt seem to be reporting on any specific intel. he's clearly speculating. he's not attributing to any sources or w/e, he just says he feels like some stars will see SA as a destination

[LeBowen]

Trae doesn't win games. Period. Get off the little man's dick. Just watching him in the play in was excruciating.

He wins more games than scubs we have on our roster.
You saying that Beal needs the ball just shows you're completely clueless about what's going on around the league. Their entire problem on offense is that neither him nor Booker are good with the ball or want it.
They're executioners, not playmakers. Whether he's good enough of an executioner is up for debate, he's definitely not worth his contract, but you don't even know the type of player he is.

[SpurSpike]

windy doesnt seem to be reporting on any specific intel. he's clearly speculating. he's not attributing to any sources or w/e, he just says he feels like some stars will see SA as a destination

Yeah I get that, it's just with Finger saying "don't bet on Spurs getting Trae Young" or that he isn't a fit next to Wemby seems like such an obvious misdirection tactic.

[ambchang]

We do know wemby wants to win now.
We do know he hates losing.
We do know wemby is surrounded by utter garbage - and not one of his teammates plays defense - so Trae young would absolutely not worsen their horrible defense....it is impossible to be worse.

We do know Trae young would make up for his defense with OFFENSE and ASSISTS and would give wemby much needed help.

We are beginning to learn that most fans here got really comfortable with losing and sucking and "future planning" and place this "future dream roster" above winning games.

We will soon learn how patient wemby really is- I guess.

Of course it is possible to be worse, why isn't it? The assumptions you put in just aren't that accurate to begin with.

For all the crap Malaki gets for his defence, he plays 20mpg with a very limited role. Trae would be featured prominently and play 30 to 35 a game. Nobody else is worse than Trae on defence on our roster. On top of that, nobody makes close to the $ Trae makes, so that money would hamper our flexibility to get either sign free agents or limit ourselves in trade. Finally, it depends on price, if the Hawks are willing to trade Trae for a bag of beans, sure, trade for him. But I doubt they would.

The main argument for Trae so far really is because he is available. His fit with Wemby is questionable (defence obviously, but even on offence, why would you have a ball-dominant PG when Wemby should have the ball?), he is expensive, his offence is highly inefficient. Look at this advanced stats, he had two seasons where his ORtg > DRtg, and that was by +1. He is -3 overall in his career. He has one single season where his OBPM or OWS could be rated as good, and that was two years ago, he led the league in ToV in 2 of the last 3 seasons (granted, he also led the league in assists those two seasons with an asst:TO ratio of about 2.5:1. As a comparison, good PGs put in close to 4 in this, Tre Jones is at 4.12 last year), he has shown (proven?) he can't play off ball last year with Dejounte Murray. If we were to go all in for a player, I would rather them go for players like Garland, or even combo guards who have young upside. Trae Young is high risk, low reward.

I thought the Damian Lillard experiment would have shown enough on this.

[mo7888]

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Windy says it's a guy who's not #1 on his on team... then says Trae is an interesting name when he's clearly the #1 on his own team.... there's no continuity there.... it's just speculation..

Honestly, his description sounds more like PG13 than Trae..

[scott]

Windy says it's a guy who's not #1 on his on team... then says Trae is an interesting name when he's clearly the #1 on his own team.... there's no continuity there.... it's just speculation..

Honestly, his description sounds more like PG13 than Trae..

Love PG13... but I'm guessing he's going to have a 35% Max Deal on the table from LAC and PHI. Can't see us going that route for a 33yo

[Spurs Homer]

Trae doesn't win games. Period. Get off the little man's dick. Just watching him in the play in was excruciating.

thanks for confirming you dont watch the games…and when you do watch- you still dont know what the fuck you are shitposting about

[timtonymanu]

The utter failure of Bradley Beal for Phoenix is what Trae Young is. At least he's not quite as expensive and doesn't have a no-trade clause, but both require the ball in their hands and suck in the playoffs. Whoever trades for Young will get an albatross.

Why do you post here if you hate this site so much? Loser with nothing else to enjoy in life?

[itzsoweezee]

Windy says it's a guy who's not #1 on his on team... then says Trae is an interesting name when he's clearly the #1 on his own team.... there's no continuity there.... it's just speculation..

Honestly, his description sounds more like PG13 than Trae..

Sure, but from the video he was definitely implying Trae

[Dejounte]

Windy says it's a guy who's not #1 on his on team... then says Trae is an interesting name when he's clearly the #1 on his own team.... there's no continuity there.... it's just speculation..

Honestly, his description sounds more like PG13 than Trae..

Why say “not LeBron” when LeBron’s mentioned and then not say the same thing for Trae when Trae’s mentioned? He’s playing it up.

[manufan10]

Sure, but from the video he was definitely implying Trae

That's what I got from that as well. Even his smirk at the end.

[mookie2001]

We need Trae to attract other players and get some momentum going. We should already to be worried about losing Wemby, don't believe all that bs coming out of his mouth. For the sake of the franchise we have to believe he's greedy and selfish just like anyone else.

[mo7888]

Sure, but from the video he was definitely implying Trae

No doubt, but it was a mutually exclusive contradiction that lets him say he was right no matter who it is.. as DJ said...He's just playing it up..

[cool cat]

Durant? Not saying I want him but does he fit the description or he too old?

[Dejounte]

Who else are in the middle of their career and aren’t #1 options?

Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jaylen Brown

That’s it?

[Degoat]

Y’all know who I was thinking about but his contract is God awful I mean might be the worst in the league… Zach Lavine lol

[mo7888]

Who else are in the middle of their career and aren’t #1 options?

Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jaylen Brown

That’s it?

Jaylen Brown was the first guy that popped in my head. I mentioned PG because he's a FA, but Brown was who I thought of first.

Bam, Kyrie, and Harden probably qualify as well. Not lobbying for them, just noting they aren't first options and are considered stars.

[Dejounte]

Jaylen Brown was the first guy that popped in my head. I mentioned PG because he's a FA, but Brown was who I thought of first.

Bam, Kyrie, and Harden probably qualify as well. Not lobbying for them, just noting they aren't first options and are considered stars.

But those guys aren’t at the middle of their careers…

[mo7888]

But those guys aren’t at the middle of their careers…

That's fair... I'd consider Bam in the middle of his though..

[NASpurs]

Who else are in the middle of their career and aren’t #1 options?

Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jaylen Brown

That’s it?

Sexton
Dejounte
Ingram
*edit*
DLo


I'm just going through the NBA PPG leaders and seeing who meets the criteria :lol

[TD 21]

Trae is highly inefficient. Tre Jones is at 4.12 last year), he has shown (proven?) he can't play off ball last year with Dejounte Murray.

I thought the Damian Lillard experiment would have shown enough on this.

He makes up for middling %'s and high turnover rate with 3pt and ft volume and high assist rate to attain solid efficiency.

Considering his mpg/usage rate and elite play making, of course he's going to be more turnover prone than a caretaker like Jones.

It's foolish to think he wouldn't be willing to adapt playing with the likely future best player in the league, who he seems to want to play with.

The Lillard trade was a no brainer. It kept Antetokounmpo (for now) and raised the ceiling (albeit lowered the floor) of a team who's half court offense annually crumbled in the playoffs (yes, even when they won the championship, which clearly wouldn't have happened had Harden and Irving not been injured).

[R. DeMurre]

Ridiculous.

If the spurs had 1 or 2 all stars OTHER than wemby - your argument would fly. Of course if the spurs already had two other stars - then going after trae would not be advisable.

Branham, vassell, wesley, et al

are some of the worst - defensive -players in the nba and you are worried about trae youngs faults?

It just does not calculate.

Branham and Wesley aren't on max contracts. That's the difference. There's a distinct possibility neither guy will even be on the team in a few years, so comparing them to Trae makes no sense. Acquiring Trae would immediately limit or eliminate other possible moves in the future. Watching to see how Branham and Wesley develop doesn't do that. It's fine for a guy on an inexpensive rookie contract to have some fatal flaws, but if the highest paid guy on your team has fatal flaws, that's usually a guarantee that you won't win championships.

[R. DeMurre]

He makes up for middling %'s and high turnover rate with 3pt and ft volume and high assist rate to attain solid efficiency.

Considering his mpg/usage rate and elite play making, of course he's going to be more turnover prone than a caretaker like Jones.

It's foolish to think he wouldn't be willing to adapt playing with the likely future best player in the league, who he seems to want to play with.

The Lillard trade was a no brainer. It kept Antetokounmpo (for now) and raised the ceiling (albeit lowered the floor) of a team who's half court offense annually crumbled in the playoffs (yes, even when they won the championship, which clearly wouldn't have happened had Harden and Irving not been injured).


I can see someone liking the Lillard trade and thinking his offense would be more valuable than Jrue's defense, but I don't think you can call it a no brainer. Personally I would've preferred an upgrade somewhere else, like an impactful 6th man or a back up SF. Admittedly, it's hard to judge at this point, with all of the injuries they've had.

[Spurs Homer]

Branham and Wesley aren't on max contracts. That's the difference. There's a distinct possibility neither guy will even be on the team in a few years, so comparing them to Trae makes no sense. Acquiring Trae would immediately limit or eliminate other possible moves in the future. Watching to see how Branham and Wesley develop doesn't do that. It's fine for a guy on an inexpensive rookie contract to have some fatal flaws, but if the highest paid guy on your team has fatal flaws, that's usually a guarantee that you won't win championships.



there it is ^ “watching to see branham/wesley develop” ^

it means = CONTINUE LOSING

where with an all star you USE those picks you saved for……wait for it….


WINNING.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFPsuY9gepU

[skin27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFPsuY9gepU

No to trae young!! Unless he accept a sidekick to wemby role.

[JPB]

No to trae young!! Unless he accept a sidekick to wemby role.

that would be the idea. Then bring a wing star wiithin the next 2 years.

[ambchang]

He makes up for middling %'s and high turnover rate with 3pt and ft volume and high assist rate to attain solid efficiency.

I guess highly efficient is overstating it, and only based on traditional stats, but even taking TS% into account, Trae Young is 20 among 52 qualified PGs, incidentally below Tre Jones and just above Tyus Jones.

In terms of assists, and I have to say I am quite surprised by it, Young is only 17 among the PGs, below Tre Jones! Which was quite a shock. I thought he'd be much higher.


Considering his mpg/usage rate and elite play making, of course he's going to be more turnover prone than a caretaker like Jones.

My argument is that he doesn't have elite playmaking, he is 47 among the 52 qualified PGs in TO rate, above Jaden Ivey, Darius Garland, Russell Westbrook, Ish Smith and Marcus Smart.


It's foolish to think he wouldn't be willing to adapt playing with the likely future best player in the league, who he seems to want to play with.

Why is it foolish? We have seen so many of these players who wouldn't be willing to adapt, or perhaps unable to adapt. What evidence is there that he would? In fact, there has always been rumours about his self-centred style of play, and it seems he just couldn't get along with any of the teammates he played with. This is a huge red flag to me to get someone who just can't mesh, who didn't change his style of play at all through the years, and just doubles down on it year after year. With the league allegedly looking to take away foul-baiting (we have seen this before, I admit), Trae Young's usefulness drops off (I think dramatically, but you may say slightly, but regardless, there WILL be a drop off because of it).


The Lillard trade was a no brainer. It kept Antetokounmpo (for now) and raised the ceiling (albeit lowered the floor) of a team who's half court offense annually crumbled in the playoffs (yes, even when they won the championship, which clearly wouldn't have happened had Harden and Irving not been injured).

Lillard trade was most definitely not a no brainer, I expressed heavy doubts about it back then. Milwaukee could've done much better with minor upgrades with shooters to open up the floor for Giannis. Having both Giannis and Lillard create the offence doesn't seem an upgrade, there is still only one ball afterall.

[ambchang]

there it is ^ “watching to see branham/wesley develop” ^

it means = CONTINUE LOSING

where with an all star you USE those picks you saved for……wait for it….


WINNING.

Winning what? 45 games a year?

[ambchang]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFPsuY9gepU

You guys did see the "Warning" section int he "ticker" section, right? It is meant to be a bunch of jocks shooting the shit.

[Ariel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFPsuY9gepU
Like I said in the other thread, there is no new information, just speculation based on obvious things we already knew:

"there's a ton of interest in playing with Wemby"
"the Spurs are going to be in play, they're going to be rumored, they're going to be talked about with legitimately every top flight PG in the market place"
"there's at least some level of interest in seeing what kind of all star caliber point guard can they bring in there"
"we don't know yet will the Hawks be open for business on Trae Young, what is his future there"
"Victor Wembanyama... what he showed this year, he made it clear his timeline to winning starts now "

So Wemby is ready and wants to win, players would like to play with him, that will generate talk, he has no idea what the Hawks are going to do with Trae, and if an all star PG becomes available the Spurs will consider,

All quotes that show as much insight as I have into what the Spurs have in mind. Nothing to see here.

[Duncan2177]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID29OOrhGvQ

Also a lot of talk about Trae Young.

[Joseph Kony]

No to trae young!! Unless he accept a sidekick to wemby role.
1781318206457512443

[LeBowen]

I'm not the biggest fan of Trae and his basketball, but a part of me wants him to come here and prove everyone wrong just because of all the horrendeous takes.
Yeah, he's a bit of a chucker and was disgustingly bad on defense, but he improved on that end.
He's playing for one of the worst franchises in the league that has proven to be incapable of making the right moves time and time again.

He's an intelligent guy, at this point he knows he can't be the first option if he wants to win. Buying into being Wemby's Robin would make them a perfect duo on offense.
Knicks and Timberwolves have two best defenses in the playoffs and both are starting point guards with similar statue to Trae's. If the rest of the team is good on defense, it wouldn't be an issue.

With that being said, I still stand by what I said months ago.
Giving them their picks back and Chicago pick on top would be my absolute highest offer for him.
With Keldon and Collins going the other way to match salaries. They can also have Branham if they want him.

[objective]

Lillard trade was most definitely not a no brainer, I expressed heavy doubts about it back then. Milwaukee could've done much better with minor upgrades with shooters to open up the floor for Giannis. Having both Giannis and Lillard create the offence doesn't seem an upgrade, there is still only one ball afterall.

It was a no brainer in getting Giannis to sign an extension and not request a trade. The no-brainer part was getting him extended which meant that when he does finally request a trade out they can recover a lot of picks and assets.

Giannis was throwing his weight around. He's the one who made sure they didn't hire Nurse. He was refusing to sign and demanding they make a big move, he wasn't going to re-sign with minor pieces around the edges.

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID29OOrhGvQ

Also a lot of talk about Trae Young.

Im with the older guy on the right. Trae is just the first sushi boat on the conveyor belt, with more coming. Hold the powder dry.

[Spurs Homer]

Winning what? 45 games a year?

you are losing 60 per year now

you stashed picks to improve

now is the time to improve and there is an all star begging to come to san antonio


TO SAN ANTONIO!


and you want to

“ride with branham/wesley/zollins”


absurd

[TD 21]

I can see someone liking the Lillard trade and thinking his offense would be more valuable than Jrue's defense, but I don't think you can call it a no brainer. Personally I would've preferred an upgrade somewhere else, like an impactful 6th man or a back up SF. Admittedly, it's hard to judge at this point, with all of the injuries they've had.


Lillard trade was most definitely not a no brainer, I expressed heavy doubts about it back then. Milwaukee could've done much better with minor upgrades with shooters to open up the floor for Giannis. Having both Giannis and Lillard create the offence doesn't seem an upgrade, there is still only one ball afterall.

objective mostly covered this, so I'll just add: It's not even so much about liking it as it as circumstances often dictate what you do in this league. This is what I keep trying to stress with the Spurs situation in general.

Antetokounmpo is a limited half court creator for teams that have reasonable defensive personnel for him and between that and the lack of a dynamic perimeter pullup shooter/play maker, it's why they've always struggled in the half court offensively in the playoffs.

The Lillard trade has "failed" so far because Middleton can't stay healthy, they had no way to bring in an adequate 3 and D starting off guard/wing, he doesn't seem thrilled to be their (could just be his family situation) and has begun his decline . . . still, it needed to be done.


In terms of assists, and I have to say I am quite surprised by it, Young is only 17 among the PGs

My argument is that he doesn't have elite playmaking, he is 47 among the 52 qualified PGs in TO rate, above Jaden Ivey, Darius Garland, Russell Westbrook, Ish Smith and Marcus Smart.

Here are his ranks in terms of assist %: 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 4th, 1st. Not only is he an elite play maker, but it's his greatest strength (his floater is probably 2nd).


Why is it foolish? We have seen so many of these players who wouldn't be willing to adapt, or perhaps unable to adapt. What evidence is there that he would? In fact, there has always been rumours about his self-centred style of play, and it seems he just couldn't get along with any of the teammates he played with. This is a huge red flag to me to get someone who just can't mesh, who didn't change his style of play at all through the years, and just doubles down on it year after year. With the league allegedly looking to take away foul-baiting (we have seen this before, I admit), Trae Young's usefulness drops off (I think dramatically, but you may say slightly, but regardless, there WILL be a drop off because of it).

He's been around long enough to probably concede (internally) that he can't be the best player on a championship contender and he seems to have grown out of some of his diva tendencies from a few years ago.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRP3gT8BlI

[LeBowen]

The Lillard trade has "failed" so far because Middleton can't stay healthy, they had no way to bring in an adequate 3 and D starting off guard/wing, he doesn't seem thrilled to be their (could just be his family situation) and has begun his decline . . . still, it needed to be done.

Imo, Lillard trade was fine if we ignore injuries that happened later on, but as you already said they did nothing to cover for the defensive downgrade.
They replaced Grayson Allen with Malik Beasley. That's about as big of a defensive downgrade as Jrue to Lillard.
Without elite perimeter defenders Brook is left exposed and everything crumbles. Beverley starting ahead of Beasley improved their defense by a lot in these past few games, even with Beverley being nowhere close to Jrue on defense.



He's been around long enough to probably concede (internally) that he can't be the best player on a championship contender and he seems to have grown out of some of his diva tendencies from a few years ago.

When people talk about his shooting splits (which are still solid, btw), they don't take into account how bad those Hawks teams were offensively.
He always had the undivided attention of the entire opposing team. Collins fucked up his finger and couldn't shoot anymore. He never could put the ball on the floor.
Hunter is also a corner 3pt or cut player. Capela can't do anything except finish lobs.
Bogdanovic was his only legit teammate that was also really dangerous with and without the ball. Then when they got DJ, Bogdanovic went down so it ended up as a lateral move. By the time he recovered they were out of the playoff picture last season.

Then you potentially go from PNR partner that can't do anything other than dunk the floor and a bunch of average spot up shooters to Wemby who can do absolutely everything and needs to be the focus of the entire team to be stopped.
Can't double or blitz Trae anymore, can't hedge screens because if Wemby doesn't have your full attention, it's over.

Just think of all the damn passes our offensively challenged players couldn't make all season long.

[TD 21]

^ Yeah, he's never played with a legit star, let alone a superstar in the making.

Not only that, but he'd be second in the door and playing for a coach with maximum job security.

I don't buy that he wouldn't be willing to change his game.

This is what happens when you operate in a way no other franchise does though, you get agoraphobia and the brainwashed portion of your fanbase inherits it.

[tonight...you]

Im with the older guy on the right. Trae is just the first sushi boat on the conveyor belt, with more coming. Hold the powder dry.
I completely agree.

Are we becoming enamored "by the first guy that winks at us?".

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRP3gT8BlI
that awkward moment where both guys are trying to jump ship for the spurs and leave the other behind :lol

[LeBowen]

I completely agree.

Are we becoming enamored "by the first guy that winks at us?".

The problem is that we desperately need a point guard and there are very few decent ones available.
We went over it many times, but it's slim pickings out there. Even if we talk just solid point guards who would be long-term solutions.
Tyus Jones is the only free agent worth mentioning. Brogdon the only veteran we could get for cheap.
Garland has been awful in the Orlando series. Leaving us with just Trae and DJ as options.
Other point guards that fit the timeline aren't realistic targets.

Then we have this draft and the options to choose between a bunch of non-shooters, Dillingham who would be a poor man's Trae, Topic who's another Tomas Satoransky and Sheppard who isn't even a true point guard.
Next draft is also loaded with wings.
Add the fact that point guard is by far the most difficult position to develop and trading for one seems like a no brainer since anyone we draft would be two years away and that's just not good enough for Wemby.

Trading for Trae, getting a good 3-D veteran and giving another season to Devin and Jeremy while we draft wings in 2024 and 2025 drafts seems reasonable.
Then depending on how Devin and Jeremy do you either keep them or trade them for better players.
Sorry, but Devin won't be anywhere near worth that money if he doesn't take the next step. Jeremy can't be anything more than a fan favorite glue guy if he doesn't develop a jumpshot.
It's just the sad truth of this roster. We got nothing, more or less.

Watch a few playoff games, even between teams that aren't real contenders like Orlando and Cavs and it instantly becomes obvious how much better all those teams are.
Other than Devin and obviously Wemby, noone on our roster would get a single minute on any playoff team.

I guess Tre would get some minutes with the Suns, but that says way more about them. :lol

[tonight...you]

The problem is that we desperately need a point guard and there are very few decent ones available.
We went over it many times, but it's slim pickings out there. Even if we talk just solid point guards who would be long-term solutions.
Tyus Jones is the only free agent worth mentioning. Brogdon the only veteran we could get for cheap.
Garland has been awful in the Orlando series. Leaving us with just Trae and DJ as options.
Other point guards that fit the timeline aren't realistic targets.

Then we have this draft and the options to choose between a bunch of non-shooters, Dillingham who would be a poor man's Trae, Topic who's another Tomas Satoransky and Sheppard who isn't even a true point guard.
Next draft is also loaded with wings.
Add the fact that point guard is by far the most difficult position to develop and trading for one seems like a no brainer since anyone we draft would be two years away and that's just not good enough for Wemby.

Trading for Trae, getting a good 3-D veteran and giving another season to Devin and Jeremy while we draft wings in 2024 and 2025 drafts seems reasonable.
Then depending on how Devin and Jeremy do you either keep them or trade them for better players.
Sorry, but Devin won't be anywhere near worth that money if he doesn't take the next step. Jeremy can't be anything more than a fan favorite glue guy if he doesn't develop a jumpshot.
It's just the sad truth of this roster. We got nothing, more or less.

Watch a few playoff games, even between teams that aren't real contenders like Orlando and Cavs and it instantly becomes obvious how much better all those teams are.
Other than Devin and obviously Wemby, noone on our roster would get a single minute on any playoff team.

I guess Tre would get some minutes with the Suns, but that says way more about them. :lol
I hear you and respect where you're coming from.
I just get 90's Spurs vibes from this.

[R. DeMurre]

there it is ^ “watching to see branham/wesley develop” ^

it means = CONTINUE LOSING

where with an all star you USE those picks you saved for……wait for it….


WINNING.


Way to completely mischaracterize what I said.... My point was Young has fatal flaws and a max contract, and that's a deadly combination that sinks franchises. Branham's & Wesley's contracts are rookie scale and inconsequential, and thus not fatal to the organization. I'd bet neither is even on the team 3 years from now.

[NASpurs]

The problem is that we desperately need a point guard and there are very few decent ones available.
We went over it many times, but it's slim pickings out there. Even if we talk just solid point guards who would be long-term solutions.
Tyus Jones is the only free agent worth mentioning. Brogdon the only veteran we could get for cheap.
Garland has been awful in the Orlando series. Leaving us with just Trae and DJ as options.
Other point guards that fit the timeline aren't realistic targets.

Then we have this draft and the options to choose between a bunch of non-shooters, Dillingham who would be a poor man's Trae, Topic who's another Tomas Satoransky and Sheppard who isn't even a true point guard.
Next draft is also loaded with wings.
Add the fact that point guard is by far the most difficult position to develop and trading for one seems like a no brainer since anyone we draft would be two years away and that's just not good enough for Wemby.

Trading for Trae, getting a good 3-D veteran and giving another season to Devin and Jeremy while we draft wings in 2024 and 2025 drafts seems reasonable.
Then depending on how Devin and Jeremy do you either keep them or trade them for better players.
Sorry, but Devin won't be anywhere near worth that money if he doesn't take the next step. Jeremy can't be anything more than a fan favorite glue guy if he doesn't develop a jumpshot.
It's just the sad truth of this roster. We got nothing, more or less.

Watch a few playoff games, even between teams that aren't real contenders like Orlando and Cavs and it instantly becomes obvious how much better all those teams are.
Other than Devin and obviously Wemby, noone on our roster would get a single minute on any playoff team.

I guess Tre would get some minutes with the Suns, but that says way more about them. :lol


There's also slim pickings when it comes to wings this summer as well.

Klay is the headliner in the FA class? :lol

[Dverde]

DJ showing some actual maturity with this tweet.

https://x.com/dejountemurray/status/1781450924642165173?s=46

[Mugen]

DJ showing some actual maturity with this tweet.

https://x.com/dejountemurray/status/1781450924642165173?s=46

:lol how?

[ambchang]

you are losing 60 per year now

you stashed picks to improve

now is the time to improve and there is an all star begging to come to san antonio


TO SAN ANTONIO!


and you want to

“ride with branham/wesley/zollins”


absurd

I didn’t want to ride with those. I just don’t want Trae.

[spursparker9]

DJ showing some actual maturity with this tweet.

https://x.com/dejountemurray/status/1781450924642165173?s=46

Trauma and pain? Another dick flasher Joshua Primo 2.0 incoming

[Seventyniner]

that awkward moment where both guys are trying to jump ship for the spurs and leave the other behind :lol

:lol

Now I'm trying to imagine a world where the Spurs trade for both of them. It would involve sending the Hawks all their picks and swaps back plus Vassell/Keldon/Collins (proven tank commanders) so they can bottom out in time for the 2025 and 2026 drafts.

That scenario is amusing, and maybe even interesting, but not realistic at all.

[JPB]

Im with the older guy on the right. Trae is just the first sushi boat on the conveyor belt, with more coming. Hold the powder dry.

Ok but who? who will be that other star in the middle of his prime that fits spurs needs and that better opportunity coming, while wemby is badly needing help NOW?

Giannis, Tatum, Luka? Nope. So who? Mitchell? Cavs owner said he believes Mitchell will extend, and even if he doesn't, how we you know for sure he's traded here? You don't find the "right" star, in the right timeline, at the right price under horseshoes or just ouf of patience. They don't fall off trees and there's 29 other teams in the NBA and being picky or too demanding can backfire. There's not that many opportunities, you know when a star is available, you don't know when another will.

So who is surely coming in SA in the next 2 years? It's not because pundits repeat stars are gonna line up to play with Victor that they will, or maybe not the ones you want.

Meanwhile, Wemby is waiting, having to play with backups and third stringers.

[JPB]

Imo, Lillard trade was fine if we ignore injuries that happened later on, but as you already said they did nothing to cover for the defensive downgrade.
They replaced Grayson Allen with Malik Beasley. That's about as big of a defensive downgrade as Jrue to Lillard.
Without elite perimeter defenders Brook is left exposed and everything crumbles. Beverley starting ahead of Beasley improved their defense by a lot in these past few games, even with Beverley being nowhere close to Jrue on defense.




When people talk about his shooting splits (which are still solid, btw), they don't take into account how bad those Hawks teams were offensively.
He always had the undivided attention of the entire opposing team. Collins fucked up his finger and couldn't shoot anymore. He never could put the ball on the floor.
Hunter is also a corner 3pt or cut player. Capela can't do anything except finish lobs.
Bogdanovic was his only legit teammate that was also really dangerous with and without the ball. Then when they got DJ, Bogdanovic went down so it ended up as a lateral move. By the time he recovered they were out of the playoff picture last season.

Then you potentially go from PNR partner that can't do anything other than dunk the floor and a bunch of average spot up shooters to Wemby who can do absolutely everything and needs to be the focus of the entire team to be stopped.
Can't double or blitz Trae anymore, can't hedge screens because if Wemby doesn't have your full attention, it's over.

Just think of all the damn passes our offensively challenged players couldn't make all season long.

Well yeah, I posted about that a little while ago but we should'nt be too focused on "Atlanta's Trae" as the main guy, but about Trae's individual skills and "Trae with Wemby"; in a different context for Young than with Hawks... How it would open up a lot of things for both and guys around, assuming you find some shooters.

That pnr would be deadly with an orgy of lobs, both being able to shoot the 3. And Vic could cover Trae's subpar defense like noone could... As being said ad nuseam, you just have to throw the ball in the vicinity of the circle and Victor catches it. That should be 12 to 15 free points/game.

The "exctiment" and wiining part is really not be neglicted, for the fans but also the players. They read all the mockery and trashing they got this year on social and classic media about this team being Wemby and a bunch of scrubs who can't pass him the ball, and it may have affected the overall chemistry of the roster, beyond official comments. Wemby was still a rookie no matter what, and couldn't probably be too vocal about it (also he subtly was at times), but with Trae at the helm, things would be clear... Those are the two main guys, the ones the sytem is built around for now, and everyone lines up and adapt to that or you're out. The absence of hierarchy is a big part of last year's mess. It's time to bring some order and direction in that chaos cos that team really doesn't seem to have a direction right now, nor Pop an idea of what he's doing.

[CGD]

Ok but who? who will be that other star in the middle of his prime that fits spurs needs and that better opportunity coming, while wemby is badly needing help NOW?

Giannis, Tatum, Luka? Nope. So who? Mitchell? Cavs owner said he believes Mitchell will extend, and even if he doesn't, how we you know for sure he's traded here? You don't find the "right" star, in the right timeline, at the right price under horseshoes or just ouf of patience. They don't fall off trees and there's 29 other teams in the NBA and being picky or too demanding can backfire. There's not that many opportunities, you know when a star is available, you don't know when another will.

So who is surely coming in SA in the next 2 years? It's not because pundits repeat stars are gonna line up to play with Victor that they will, or maybe not the ones you want.

Meanwhile, Wemby is waiting, having to play with backups and third stringers.

Well if you believe some posters here, Dilly is that answer. But let’s set that one aside.

I get the anxiety about the PG, but lately I’ve been wondering if the short term answer isn’t better shooting from the 3 and 4 in the SL. In other words, let Tre continue to be the game manager for longer BUT upgrade the Sochan and Champagne minutes to punish teams for focusing on VW. Hell if Julian becomes a 40% 3pt threat while providing the D, he can stay.

[ambchang]

you are losing 60 per year now

you stashed picks to improve

now is the time to improve and there is an all star begging to come to san antonio


TO SAN ANTONIO!


and you want to

“ride with branham/wesley/zollins”


absurd

So go marry some random girl because she had a crush on you? This is about the stupidest line of reasoning.

[Spurs Homer]

So go marry some random girl because she had a crush on you? This is about the stupidest line of reasoning.


Or...

stay with a cheating wife whom you already caught and know how much she has been lying to your face -because - she might improve and become a so-so wife after 3-4 years

lol

[ambchang]

objective mostly covered this, so I'll just add: It's not even so much about liking it as it as circumstances often dictate what you do in this league. This is what I keep trying to stress with the Spurs situation in general.

Antetokounmpo is a limited half court creator for teams that have reasonable defensive personnel for him and between that and the lack of a dynamic perimeter pullup shooter/play maker, it's why they've always struggled in the half court offensively in the playoffs.

The Lillard trade has "failed" so far because Middleton can't stay healthy, they had no way to bring in an adequate 3 and D starting off guard/wing, he doesn't seem thrilled to be their (could just be his family situation) and has begun his decline . . . still, it needed to be done.

Middleton hasn't been healthy for two years now, and the Bucks got worse because Lillard's defence was a bigger downgrade than his offence is an upgrade. I could buy the Bucks pulled the trade because Giannis demanded it, but that is semi-basketball related. There are so many other things they could've done. those draft picks for Lillard could've been used for a player like Bridges or Cam Johnson. They could've signed Van Fleet (not sure about their cap TBH, perhaps they are over, but they could've dumped some contracts like Connaughton or Lopez to make it happen, having Jrue instead of Lillard also saves them $10M)


Here are his ranks in terms of assist %: 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 4th, 1st. Not only is he an elite play maker, but it's his greatest strength (his floater is probably 2nd).

This I just can't agree with. Assist % is one thing, his TO is terrible. Besides, he has a high Ast % because he has the ball in his hands all the time. Despite his ball dominance (high usage rate, and high asst%), the Hawks were only 12th in ORTG last year (they were 2nd two years ago and barely made the playoffs). Of all the players with a usage rate over 30% this year, Trae Young had the worst TO% (Coincidentally, Wembenyama is 2nd).

Ultimately, I want the ball in Wemby's hands, not Youngs.


He's been around long enough to probably concede (internally) that he can't be the best player on a championship contender and he seems to have grown out of some of his diva tendencies from a few years ago.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one, both of us are basing this on conjecture. I don't see Young relinquishing the ball handling duties, and even if he does, I question how much value he has without the ball in his hands constantly. He may be able to do it, as these are exceptional talents, but I really can't recall too many who were able to do so from what I recalled. Scorers score, ball handlers ball handles, players like Iverson, Melo, Steve Francis, Marbury, Lillard, all didn't transition all that well in their new roles, and there is a reason for it.

[ambchang]

Or...

stay with a cheating wife whom you already caught and know how much she has been lying to your face -because - she might improve and become a so-so wife after 3-4 years

lol

Who cheated? If anything, the Spurs young players all worked hard. Besides, we all know these players are girlfriends, or just a random flirt. None of them are #2s.

[TD 21]

Middleton hasn't been healthy for two years now, and the Bucks got worse because Lillard's defence was a bigger downgrade than his offence is an upgrade. I could buy the Bucks pulled the trade because Giannis demanded it, but that is semi-basketball related. There are so many other things they could've done. those draft picks for Lillard could've been used for a player like Bridges or Cam Johnson. They could've signed Van Fleet (not sure about their cap TBH, perhaps they are over, but they could've dumped some contracts like Connaughton or Lopez to make it happen, having Jrue instead of Lillard also saves them $10M)



This I just can't agree with. Assist % is one thing, his TO is terrible. Besides, he has a high Ast % because he has the ball in his hands all the time. Despite his ball dominance (high usage rate, and high asst%), the Hawks were only 12th in ORTG last year (they were 2nd two years ago and barely made the playoffs). Of all the players with a usage rate over 30% this year, Trae Young had the worst TO% (Coincidentally, Wembenyama is 2nd).

Ultimately, I want the ball in Wemby's hands, not Youngs.



We will just have to agree to disagree on this one, both of us are basing this on conjecture. I don't see Young relinquishing the ball handling duties, and even if he does, I question how much value he has without the ball in his hands constantly. He may be able to do it, as these are exceptional talents, but I really can't recall too many who were able to do so from what I recalled. Scorers score, ball handlers ball handles, players like Iverson, Melo, Steve Francis, Marbury, Lillard, all didn't transition all that well in their new roles, and there is a reason for it.

As I said, it was a higher floor/lower ceiling gambit, which is why a team with an impatient superstar, that wasn't good enough to win a championship and had limited assets to improve, needed to make it.

Bridges, Johnson and Van Vleet are role players, not (traditionally) elite half court offenses unto themselves, which is exactly what the Bucks have long needed. They also need Lopez (floor spacing rim protectors are scarce and the exact archetype Antetokounmpo needs alongside) and would have had to burn some of their already limited assets to dump Connaughton.

Assist % or rate doesn't have anything to do with how much you have the ball, it's the % of teammates field goals assisted on and turnover rate is often correlated to high usage, elite (fancy) passer types. The good outweighs the bad in that regard.

Not wanting Wembanyama to be anything less than the clear first option or thinking Young's value would lessen without that role are fair points.

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[onechance87]

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guess hes not trying to go to lakers....does this mean hes trying to stay with hawks or something

[Jordan Jackson]

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[ambchang]

As I said, it was a higher floor/lower ceiling gambit, which is why a team with an impatient superstar, that wasn't good enough to win a championship and had limited assets to improve, needed to make it.

I wouldn't call taking a gamble as to "have to make it". There are other avenues to improve the team without these risks, but each their own.


Bridges, Johnson and Van Vleet are role players, not (traditionally) elite half court offenses unto themselves, which is exactly what the Bucks have long needed. They also need Lopez (floor spacing rim protectors are scarce and the exact archetype Antetokounmpo needs alongside) and would have had to burn some of their already limited assets to dump Connaughton.

Not sure why elite half court offence is absolutely necessary. The Nuggets won the title ranked #5 in O-Rating last year. With Jrue Holiday, the Bucks can still have a decent offence with another two three point shooters in their lineup.


Assist % or rate doesn't have anything to do with how much you have the ball, it's the % of teammates field goals assisted on and turnover rate is often correlated to high usage, elite (fancy) passer types. The good outweighs the bad in that regard.

I would say ast% has a LOT to do with having the ball in the hands a lot. You can't really get an ast without having the ball in your hands. Trae Young is a centre of the offence guy, he either shoots, lobs or kicks out for an open shot. Trae Young has to dominate the ball on offence and his usage rate shows it. It would be great to have someone with a high ast % and low usage rate, like that of a steve Nash or John Stockton, but even those guys were rather ball dominant where the entire offence runs through them. Today's NBA really has moved away from that model. A look at the players with the highest Ast%, this year, 6 of the top 20 players (and 2 of the top 4) are not PGs, although you can argue Luka, Lebron and Sexton are all de facto PGs.. Compare that to 10 years ago, where the top 12 players, and 19 of the top 20 players with the only exception being Lebron were PG. 20 years ago, Vlade Divacs was the only non-PG to crack the top 20 (at 20). Going back even further, Brian Saw (again defacto PG) was the only non PG to crack the top 20.

I am not entirely sure if a high AST% PG is an absolute necessity in today's game. A player like Wemby is more than good enough to be that offensive hub, ala Jokic. I know people absolutely hate Tre Jones, but he is actually a very low mistake PG who passes reasonably well, the only concern is really his outside shooting. We don't need superstars at every position. I am more interested in the Spurs getting a star wing player, in say, a PG-13 like player to compliment Wemby, but someone who makes $30-$35 a year. Again, similar to the Nuggets, just that they have Jamal Murray (ironically a PG, but his role is much more of a scorer). I don't think Vassell is that guy as his shot creation, both for himself and others, just isn't there. I can see Sochan being an Aaron Gordon type player, but I am admittedly unreasonably high on his potential.

For that complimentary star player, guys like Derrick White (I know, a PG), as said multiple times on this board, would be absolutely perfect. I like maxey, PG-13 (too old and too expensive though), Siakim, Holiday (too old), Herbert Jones. I also want to take a crack at guys like Josh Hart, Jabari Smith Jr., Hartenstein, Trey Murphy III, Reid (I know, everybody wants him), Porits, Quickley, Dort (no chance), Suggs, Nikeil alexander-walker, Mikal Bridges, Cam Thomas. Not likely to have anything happen, but I thikn some of them can fit well with Wemby.


Not wanting Wembanyama to be anything less than the clear first option or thinking Young's value would lessen without that role are fair points.

:lol we finally agree on something.

[SpursGenius]

Trae lack of defense and low percentage chunking would kill any team like it has Atlanta.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't call taking a gamble as to "have to make it". There are other avenues to improve the team without these risks, but each their own.



Not sure why elite half court offence is absolutely necessary. The Nuggets won the title ranked #5 in O-Rating last year. With Jrue Holiday, the Bucks can still have a decent offence with another two three point shooters in their lineup.



I would say ast% has a LOT to do with having the ball in the hands a lot.

We don't need superstars at every position. I am more interested in the Spurs getting a star wing player, in say, a PG-13 like player to compliment Wemby, but someone who makes $30-$35 a year. Again, similar to the Nuggets, just that they have Jamal Murray (ironically a PG, but his role is much more of a scorer). I don't think Vassell is that guy as his shot creation, both for himself and others, just isn't there. I can see Sochan being an Aaron Gordon type player, but I am admittedly unreasonably high on his potential.

Just based off of Antetokounmpo's impatience and clearly wanting them to do so, they had to do it.

The Nuggets have the best half court offensive player in the league, in Jokic. Antetokounmpo is more based off of transition and attacking mismatches. If you can limit the former and have the personnel for the latter, his limitations become glaring.

No, you're conflating usage rate/% with assist rate/% and the latter is almost always an indication of how good a playmaker for others one is (Westbrook being a notable exception; he was really just an elite drive and kick type due to his once freakish athleticism and aggressiveness).

Of course a star wing is preferable; good luck finding it, especially at that price point. This is literally the argument many pro young or at least unbiased types are making when they either say pursue him or at least don't summarily dismiss it.

[wildbill2u]

If a really good PG is not available or as rare as a unicorn if a free agent, could we find an acceptable point forward? We've seen some in the league that were more than adequate as starters. Of course, you can say they are as rare as unicorns as well. :smokin

[heyheymymy]

damn, Young left Clutch?

interesting developments for sure.

[DAF86]

DJ showing some actual maturity with this tweet.

https://x.com/dejountemurray/status/1781450924642165173?s=46

Actual maturity comes when you don't feel the need to share every single thought that crosses your mind in social media, tbh. Specially something apparently as personal as this.

[DAF86]

The problem is that we desperately need a point guard and there are very few decent ones available.
We went over it many times, but it's slim pickings out there. Even if we talk just solid point guards who would be long-term solutions.
Tyus Jones is the only free agent worth mentioning. Brogdon the only veteran we could get for cheap.
Garland has been awful in the Orlando series. Leaving us with just Trae and DJ as options.
Other point guards that fit the timeline aren't realistic targets.

Then we have this draft and the options to choose between a bunch of non-shooters, Dillingham who would be a poor man's Trae, Topic who's another Tomas Satoransky and Sheppard who isn't even a true point guard.
Next draft is also loaded with wings.
Add the fact that point guard is by far the most difficult position to develop and trading for one seems like a no brainer since anyone we draft would be two years away and that's just not good enough for Wemby.

Trading for Trae, getting a good 3-D veteran and giving another season to Devin and Jeremy while we draft wings in 2024 and 2025 drafts seems reasonable.
Then depending on how Devin and Jeremy do you either keep them or trade them for better players.
Sorry, but Devin won't be anywhere near worth that money if he doesn't take the next step. Jeremy can't be anything more than a fan favorite glue guy if he doesn't develop a jumpshot.
It's just the sad truth of this roster. We got nothing, more or less.

Watch a few playoff games, even between teams that aren't real contenders like Orlando and Cavs and it instantly becomes obvious how much better all those teams are.
Other than Devin and obviously Wemby, noone on our roster would get a single minute on any playoff team.

I guess Tre would get some minutes with the Suns, but that says way more about them. :lol

Yeah, watch them and see how, even in today's NBA, defense is what wins. Celtics, Knicks, Wolves, Thunder. All elite defensive teams without a single weak link. That's what wins you championships. I don't know why Spurs fans are so hell bent on giving up all of our best draft capital in a guy that will never be part of a championship core.

[rankingtear]

Aggressive perimeter defense around an all time rim protector is a cheat code. That is why they don't see this midget as a fit.

[RC_Drunkford]

There‘s no way Pop constructs a roster without a defensive liability. Zero. The guy was in love with Bryn Forbes, Marco Belinelli and Patty Mills. Shit, he played those 3 alongside each other at times :lol

[manufan10]

It's going to be an interesting offseason:


https://youtu.be/yLtgvkKM4ec?si=fbi0YRlzMLYd0bsx

[manufan10]

ESPN's Tim MacMahon mentioned on Windhorst's podcast today that he's talked to people who know Wemby, and that Wemby is "intrigued" by the idea of adding Trae Young. He did mention that there is a difference between being "intrigued" and "pounding the table and demanding..."


https://youtu.be/Z6nZgx_5o6Y?si=6P_8lDmyuN7yMTQA&t=2320

[Mr. Body]

ESPN's Tim MacMahon mentioned on Windhorst's podcast today that he's talked to people who know Wemby, and that Wemby is "intrigued" by the idea of adding Trae Young. He did mention that there is a difference between being "intrigued" and "pounding the table and demanding..."


https://youtu.be/Z6nZgx_5o6Y?si=6P_8lDmyuN7yMTQA&t=2320

ESPN drives narratives. They've been begging to get Young to the Spurs for a while.

[R. DeMurre]

"Intrigued" sounds like a word you use to be diplomatic, and to not hurt anyone's feelings.

[ambchang]

Just based off of Antetokounmpo's impatience and clearly wanting them to do so, they had to do it.

I can see Antetokoumpo being a reason, my argument is that Lillard is not the only way, unless he specifically said it's Lillard or I am out, which I doubt he did.


The Nuggets have the best half court offensive player in the league, in Jokic. Antetokounmpo is more based off of transition and attacking mismatches. If you can limit the former and have the personnel for the latter, his limitations become glaring.

Honestly not sure how we came to this, I think I misread and mixed up the argument being offensive rating. But not having a good half court offence wasn't that big an issue when the Bucks won a title, because their defence held up. Now with Middleton and Holiday aging, they have lost a step. Their bench also got shorter during the last few years. My issue was how taking Lillard to boost up their offence while ignoring the defence, which was their bread and butter, was a faulty strategy, like how the Suns got Shaq to help with their post scoring.


No, you're conflating usage rate/% with assist rate/% and the latter is almost always an indication of how good a playmaker for others one is (Westbrook being a notable exception; he was really just an elite drive and kick type due to his once freakish athleticism and aggressiveness).

Apologies for not being clear, but I am talking about how Trae got a high assist ratio, and it's with him having the ball in his hands. He is responsible for a high % of the Hawk's FGs through assists because he has the ball in his hands all the time, and that how the Hawks offence works.


Of course a star wing is preferable; good luck finding it, especially at that price point. This is literally the argument many pro young or at least unbiased types are making when they either say pursue him or at least don't summarily dismiss it.

I love it how the guys supporting your side is unbiased, but that aside, I am not against Trae if the price is right, but a) it won't happen, and b) his contract is a huge red flag. Trae doesn't really have much trade value, at least not as much as the pro-Trae camp thinks. If he did, he would've been traded by now.

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[Mr. Body]

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I'm not sure Young is in a position to demand a trade so much as the Hawks want to get rid of him. They play much better without him, underscored by how bad he was in the play in this year. I think he could go to the FO and say he wants a trade and they'll say, "Bro, we're trying."

[RC_Drunkford]

he has an early termination clause in his contract for 2026, he doesn't have to do shit. If they can't agree to an extension by the 2025 offseason they will have to trade him to get at least something back.

[exstatic]

he has an early termination clause in his contract for 2026, he doesn't have to do shit. If they can't agree to an extension by the 2025 offseason they will have to trade him to get at least something back.

They really have to resolve things this summer, or teams won’t give them shit in 2025 with him likely a one year rental at that point.

[TD 21]

I can see Antetokoumpo being a reason, my argument is that Lillard is not the only way, unless he specifically said it's Lillard or I am out, which I doubt he did.



But not having a good half court offence wasn't that big an issue when the Bucks won a title, because their defence held up.



I love it how the guys supporting your side is unbiased, but that aside, I am not against Trae if the price is right, but a) it won't happen, and b) his contract is a huge red flag.

Lillard was the only elite half court offensive creator available.

No, as I've said, the Bucks half court offense was an issue in the playoffs even when they won the title. They only did so because the path cleared. It was not a repeatable formula and to their credit they realized it, instead of blaming their recent flameouts on injuries.

When I say "unbiased", I'm saying I (and it seems some others) aren't Young fans or proponents necessarily, but are able to take that out of the equation and analyze it fairly from both perspectives instead of seeing red every time his name is brought up.

[ambchang]

Lillard was the only elite half court offensive creator available.

No, as I've said, the Bucks half court offense was an issue in the playoffs even when they won the title. They only did so because the path cleared. It was not a repeatable formula and to their credit they realized it, instead of blaming their recent flameouts on injuries.

When I say "unbiased", I'm saying I (and it seems some others) aren't Young fans or proponents necessarily, but are able to take that out of the equation and analyze it fairly from both perspectives instead of seeing red every time his name is brought up.

The thing is did the bucks need an elite half court offence? Especially considering how badly it will hurt their defence. Having a Jrue holiday, Middleton and Giannis surrounded by shooters is a good enough half court offence.

For Trae, I’m not his fan, nor a hater, he really has a huge amount of red flags and the failed lillard experiment just adds to it. Granted we don’t have to give away a Jrue level talent, and him in place of branham wontnhirt much defensively (may even be an upgrade), but the model of a Trae like ball dominant no defense playing player doesn’t look like winning basketball to me. I can see him as a potential trade chip if we can get him for cheap, but his contract kills his trade value.

[TD 21]

The thing is did the bucks need an elite half court offence? Especially considering how badly it will hurt their defence. Having a Jrue holiday, Middleton and Giannis surrounded by shooters is a good enough half court offence.

For Trae, I’m not his fan, nor a hater, he really has a huge amount of red flags and the failed lillard experiment just adds to it. Granted we don’t have to give away a Jrue level talent, and him in place of branham wontnhirt much defensively (may even be an upgrade), but the model of a Trae like ball dominant no defense playing player doesn’t look like winning basketball to me. I can see him as a potential trade chip if we can get him for cheap, but his contract kills his trade value.

Yes, again it was always their undoing in the playoffs and almost was even the year they won, with the path cleared.

The "failed Lillard experiment" is because he appears post prime now, he was having family issues exacerbated by the late and unexpected off season move to the Bucks, they had no POA defender and Middleton was in and out and rarely playing regular minutes.

[TimmyBuckets]

Trade for Trae. Wemby makes up for defense. Draft a 3 and D or acquire via trade/FA. Playoff team.

[playbonner15]

Trade for Trae. Wemby makes up for defense. Draft a 3 and D or acquire via trade/FA. Playoff team.

Not if Atlanta thinks they can draft a good center to pair with Young and Spurs FO thinks they have enough good pieces w/ 4th and 8th picks

[John B]

Trade for Trae. Wemby makes up for defense. Draft a 3 and D or acquire via trade/FA. Playoff team.

Trade for Trae with what? Atlanta would be embarrassed not to get those FRP’s back, and the Spurs are not about to do that. It’s not happening. There would be bigger players, no pun intended, who will force their way to get a chance to play with Wemby, so I’m not really concerned about the Spurs not getting the good players to surround Wemby. They will come.

[JPB]

Yes, again it was always their undoing in the playoffs and almost was even the year they won, with the path cleared.

The "failed Lillard experiment" is because he appears post prime now, he was having family issues exacerbated by the late and unexpected off season move to the Bucks, they had no POA defender and Middleton was in and out and rarely playing regular minutes.

He was first of all injured.

[exstatic]

He was first of all injured.

That will happen regularly when you’re in your 30s.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think the Spurs should trade the ATL 25 pick under any circumstances. They might strike gold in that draft.

[Guru of Nothing]

My suggestion: Spurs trade 3 1sts (2024 1st from Toronto, 2025 1st from Chicago; and 2025 Atlanta 1st) plus Keldon and Collins to match salary.

Atlanta gets 3 legit #1 picks for Young, and they can legit tank for the 2025 draft. Also, if they commit to the tank (and they should), it should boost the value of the 2026 swap owned by the Spurs, and to a lesser extent, the 2027 ATL 1st. As things stand, the the three ATL picks owned by the Spurs are likely to fall in the 12-20 range. Not bad, but I like the idea of juicing value of the 2026 swap. Imagine if the Spurs develop as we hope over the next two season and are on the cusp of a long run of deep playoff runs, and they're holding a top-5 pick in 2026. Get me my fainting couch!

[Guru of Nothing]

I don't think the Spurs should trade the ATL 25 pick under any circumstances. They might strike gold in that draft.

Clearly I did not refresh the thread before my last post.

[TimmyBuckets]

Trade for Trae with what? Atlanta would be embarrassed not to get those FRP’s back, and the Spurs are not about to do that. It’s not happening. There would be bigger players, no pun intended, who will force their way to get a chance to play with Wemby, so I’m not really concerned about the Spurs not getting the good players to surround Wemby. They will come.

When will the players come? Wemby wants to win now and we can make it happen without leveraging our future. We have a lot of picks and can set up the best package for Hawks that's obvious. Draft at 4 and 8 in a weak af draft with some vets and wait for the young guys to become stars or for a superstar to come? Then get the 25 picks and wait for them to be good too? What is that 5 years until competitive for a chip? We can win now and still have picks and assets for the future.

[John B]

When will the players come? Wemby wants to win now and we can make it happen without leveraging our future. We have a lot of picks and can set up the best package for Hawks that's obvious. Draft at 4 and 8 in a weak af draft with some vets and wait for the young guys to become stars or for a superstar to come? Then get the 25 picks and wait for them to be good too? What is that 5 years until competitive for a chip? We can win now and still have picks and assets for the future.

Patience. 2025 draft is a much deeper class, and the Spurs will have 3 potential FRP’s, 3 SRP’s. 2025 also is when all these big free agent players will be available, or could opt out of their contracts, from Markannen to Donovan Mitchell, Ingram, Cunningham, and the list goes on. Either Spurs use those picks to draft on a more deeper class, or include as trade package. Players like Donovan Mitchell could force his way out to the Spurs to get a chance to play with Wemby, and there will be more as Wemby start showing dominance. You don’t want to give back all of Atlanta unprotected FRP’s and tied to Trae’s behemoth contract (he’s not even worth it). You will wait with patience for a better player(s) to use those FRP’s.

I expect the Spurs will draft their two lottery picks. Keep Tre at starting PG until any of Castle/Dilly or whoever takes it from him. Observe the developments of the young core especially Sochan, Wesley, Branham, Barlow, Cidy. Come trade deadline, they will know which players are opting out (not sure of the date) and will be available in 2025. That’s when I expect them to splurge and go ALL IN, and not a day before. The Spurs have a very good hand of Aces. They can wait for the river to go ALL IN.

[BatManu20]

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Do you do it?

[DPG21920]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU5guHE3x3o

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Do you do it?

If they also absorb Collins money and change the 2027 ATL pick to the 2026 Swap sure.

[Mr. Body]

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No one wants Trae Young. That's the real story. They're trying to create a market to get rid of him.

[TimmyBuckets]

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I really don't think it's gonna happen but it would be so amazing if it did.

[Mr. Body]

I really don't think it's gonna happen but it would be so amazing if it did.

Yeah it would destroy any chances at deep playoff runs for the next eight years.

[Raven]

I really don't think it's gonna happen but it would be so amazing if it did.
crazy there's still people wanting this cancer

[objective]

Jake Fischer is the one who broke the Dejounte to Atlanta rumor so he's pretty well connected

[TimmyBuckets]

crazy there's still people wanting this cancer


Yeah it would destroy any chances at deep playoff runs for the next eight years.

Ya no deep playoff chances with Trae Young and Wemby lmaooo. Let's try to make the playoffs in 8 years slow and steady instead.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah it would destroy any chances at deep playoff runs for the next eight years.

Because we're better off with Wesley and Branham. FFS, you're so pompous for a retard.

[ambchang]

Because we're better off with Wesley and Branham. FFS, you're so pompous for a retard.

Why is it either Trae young or Maliki and Wesley? There are only three PGs in the league?

[spurraider21]

just means the spurs are more interesting in bringing dejounte back instead :stirpot:

[Payote75]

We ripped Atlanta off in hindsight I'm would not want to give those picks back I'd off we these two first rounders Charlotte and even Chicagos with some players Keldon malaki zollins sochan like make a package out of that for young or another young in the window proven commodity I agree with the above poster not waiting on developing maybes possibles could be and waste Wemby years go for the proven whoever that is.

[CGD]

Hard pass. Can we close this thread?

[NASpurs]

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[exstatic]

Hard pass. Can we close this thread?

Can’t wait until LA buys low this summer. Maybe this will stop?

[rankingtear]

There are 3 reports now saying they are not interested from Finger, Sotto and Fischer. BSPN has to talk about something they can't just stare at the camera.

[Mr. Body]

Because we're better off with Wesley and Branham. FFS, you're so pompous for a retard.

Lol man it's always the deformed Morloks who suck Trae Young cock. Thank god you're probably cleaning sewers somewhere and not running a team.

[timtonymanu]

Lol man it's always the deformed Morloks who suck Trae Young cock. Thank god you're probably cleaning sewers somewhere and not running a team.

Lol I have a job. I’m not some loser like you who complains about this site but spends day and night here anyway. :lol

[DAF86]

Because we're better off with Wesley and Branham. FFS, you're so pompous for a retard.

This has nothing to do with Wesley and Branham, tbh. This is about settling for Trae Young as Wemby's Robin for, at least, the next 5 years (while also giving up a shitload of assets).

Do you want that? I don't, because I don't think Trae Young will ever be part of a championship team. At least not as a prominent figure.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The question one needs to answer for the Spurs to get closer to contention isn't if Wemby is ready or not, but which is that star/ second star player who will help Wemby in his quest to help the Spurs win a championship in the medium term. Wemby has clearly proven that
a) he is among the best rookies ever,
b) he is already among the best rim-protectors not just today but probably ever, and
c) his offensive game has grown in leaps and bounds and faster than anyone expected.

If the Spurs' strategy is to wait to build through the draft by hitting triples and home runs with their picks, the chances are most likely that they will never get the right mix of support players who will help Wemby reach that mark.

They will ultimately have to get out of the Hinkie-like plan sooner rather than later and their ceiling will be OKC Thunder of today in 3 years' time with Wemby threatening to be as good as SGA is today in terms of being in the MVP conversation *IF* they get all their moves right and surround Wemby with exceptionally performing players around him. The floor could be the 76ers with Embiid and Simmons in it before Butler, Redick and others joined the team to push it towards contention in two years time.

On the other hand, if the Spurs decide to accelerate their plan towards contention and play it well in terms of getting the right talent around Wemby in the form of decent Free Agents/ players to be got via trade while retaining their important draft picks and replace the current turd lot of Branham, Champagnie, Mamu, Zollins, Osman, Devonte with more functional role players and even veterans while retaining Vassell, Jones and Wesley and if push comes to shove, even Johnson.. they have a higher ceiling in the same time frame and a much higher floor for sure.

Here are some free agents I would love the Spurs to target next year without jeopardizing the plan to build around Wemby -

Priority 1 - A two-way wing to replace Champagnie, who can provide much better on the ball defense and also consistent shooting, besides shot creation through isolation if needed.

Options -

A. Paul George would be the best fit. He has a player option next year and hasn't still signed an extension with the Clips. Chances of getting - near nil as the Clippers are moving to a new arena and will throw the dice on the Leonard-George combo again even if they falter again this postseason. The only way to get him is to blow the competition out with yet another near-max contract for the 33 year old versatile player.

B. Mikal Bridges - would be the perfect fit to Wemby and Vassell and can even catapult the Spurs to playoff contention. Is a free agent only in 2026 though and can be prised out only if the Spurs are willing to trade some picks for him. Sean Marks will surely play hardball and the Spurs might have to trade the Celtics pick in 2028 and one or two of the Atlanta picks to get him. As of now, the Nets aren't keen on trading him, but that stance may change at the end of this season if the Nets continue to stagnate and because they dont have the wherewithal to get good lottery picks in 2024, 2025 (they have the Phoenix unprotected ones in 2025 and 2027 and their own in 2026 but the Suns' picks will be late first rounders and 2026 is 2 years away).

I would gladly trade for Bridges as I think he will be a key bridge (pun intended) to the Spurs' pathway to contention going forward and a perfect fit with Wemby. Chances of getting him - decent but requires the Spurs to give up some draft capital in 2024 and 2025 for sure besides trade Keldon Johnson to the Nets. I personally would gladly do that. Wemby, Bridges and Vassell will be a great two-way combo (all three are already 80%ile and above or nearabouts in both defensive and offensive EPM) plus the Spurs can punt with some picks while keeping some important ones such as their own unprotected ones in 2024 and 2025 possibly.

C. Pascal Siakam - also has a player option. More a PF than a SF, but can capably depend both positions. Not as good as George, but a capable Robin. The Pacers will most likely re-sign him with the catch that they are already paying Haliburtion supermax money and will have to hedge their contract offering a bit to Siakam. If the Spurs are willing to outpay the Pacers, they can get Siakam, but I doubt he is worth the near-supermax or even the max itself. Chances of getting him: Very little, as the Pacers have his Bird Rights and will offer a five year contract (correct me if I am wrong).

D. LeBron James - the closest to an active GOAT is still beating Father Time effectively at age 39. But the cliff isn't far off. Bron also seems to play defense only in crunch time or when he is in the mood. But he will still be a tremendous playmaker setting the table rather easily for Wemby while conserving the energy to be able to mount a good run in the playoffs if required. He, too, has a player option but if he isn't exercising it, he is most likely going to try to latch onto other contenders to win a ring rather than build a contender. Chances of getting him- Nearly NIL.

E. Tobias Harris - While he is nowhere as good as the three players above, he is much better than Keldon Johnson or Jeremy Sochan and will be a certain upgrade over these two, in my opinion. A more capable and consistent three point shooter and someone who offers secondary offense, he can be a good fit with Wemby and Vassell. And he can be had for the relatively cheap as well. Chances of getting him - not bad at all and won't cost much in terms of draft picks etc

Priority 2 - Point Guard , Playmaker.

Options -

A. Trae Young. I dont have to add to what you guys have been discussing here. But suffice to say he will be a high risk, high reward addition. He will be a delight on offense but he is bound to disappoint on defense despite strides made this season. I would personally go for him only if the Spurs dont manage to get any of the aforementioned five and are able to keep its prime lottery picks in 2024 and 2025 besides some of the unprotected picks of the future. Chances of getting him - quite high.

B. Tyus Jones. Tre's brother will be a great fit if the Spurs get one of the Priority 1 wings. And he will be available for relatively cheap. He will be as good as his younger brother but will offer even more steadiness and more importantly much better outside shooting. He will be only inferior to his brother on defense but that won't matter much if the Spurs get a capable on ball wing defender (Mikal Bridges) to pair with Wemby, Vassell along with Sochan. Chances of getting him - very high.

Other role players, one or two among them, that I would target to shuffle the role player set - Isaiah Joe, Lonnie Walker (again!), Jalen Smith, Nic Batum.

My ideal roster next season for the Spurs if all the chips fall in place ( wont happen but still )-

PG: Tyus Jones, Tre Jones, Blake Wesley
SG: Devin Vassell, Lonnie Walker/ Isiah Joe, (two way player)
SF/W: Mikal Bridges, Nic Batum, Julian Champagnie
PF/W: Jeremy Sochan, Zaccharie Risacher, (A decent two way player)
C: Victor Wembanyama, Zach Collins, Dom Barlow

Assumptions:
1. I am assuming the Spurs trade Keldon, Branham, Cissoko plus a host of draft picks (including the Toronto 2024 pick) to the Nets for Bridges if that opportunity is made available (most likely after the draft lottery is done).
2. I am assuming that the Spurs sign Tyus Jones for a reasonable 3 year contract for about $15 million roughly a year, sign Walker/ Joe for contracts worth $8-10 million/ year.
3. And I am assuming the Spurs luck into Risacher in the 2024 draft, which is very much possible considering their own lottery odds in 2024. If something like this transpires, the Spurs get enough three point shooting and defense plus decent playmaking to help Wemby and mould the Spurs into at least a playoff contender. This also allows sufficient development for Risacher (who will push Sochan).

4. If instead, the Spurs land Nikola Topic, they shouldn't go towards getting another PG and should continue to trust Tre Jones as the lead PG but still aim to get Bridges for SF and someone like Naji Marshall as backup PF to Sochan.

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In a nutshell, the Spurs must not hesitate to use its future draft pick basket to get a competent two-way player and a bunch of more effective role players than who they have now. This will accelerate the path to success for the Spurs with Wemby at the helm.

Just one scenario rather than the risky Trae Young trade or just meandering for another year with turds surrounding Wemby and Vassell.

Damn. We could have had Mikal Bridges too. But the Knicks one-upped with a boat load of FRPs.

[John B]

Damn. We could have had Mikal Bridges too. But the Knicks one-upped with a boat load of FRPs.

Reuniting the 2016 Villanova’s. Happy for the Knicks. Those guys play hard.

But that’s too expensive for the Spurs to get into. I’d throw that same for Markkanen though.

[LeBowen]

Windhorst's podcast:
https://i.imgur.com/BqqN6Dd.png


Is this the last trade we see in the next 24 hours of teams returning their picks... The Hawks have the first pick, San Antonio has 4 and 8, and San Antonio has the Hawk’s draft capital... I think the two sides are talking.


I really hope not. The only thing I'd want from the Hawks is DJ because his contract is great value, but we're not getting him without giving at least one of their picks and that swap back.

[Mr. Body]

Major media are desperate for content to make this draft interesting to casual veiwers. Individual talking heads want to make themselves the story, too.

Maybe the Spurs go for Young. Maybe they push everything they have to get a below-league-average three point shooter who doesn't play defense who costs a lot of money. Maybe that's the new path this team will take.

[Seventyniner]

I really hope not. The only thing I'd want from the Hawks is DJ because his contract is great value, but we're not getting him without giving at least one of their picks and that swap back.

It makes sense that the Hawks want to talk to the Spurs. The Hawks might want to do exactly what the Nets did: tear it down but only if they can get back control of their draft. The Hawks are in an even more desperate position because the Spurs control their draft for each of the next three years.

[poopbox]

This has nothing to do with Wesley and Branham, tbh. This is about settling for Trae Young as Wemby's Robin for, at least, the next 5 years (while also giving up a shitload of assets).

Do you want that? I don't, because I don't think Trae Young will ever be part of a championship team. At least not as a prominent figure.

Trae has 2 more years plus a player option he will probably decline on his contract. That means his would be up right when it's time to pay Wemby, which is pretty ideal.

Also beggars can't be choosers and the Spurs most certainly are not choosers. Say what you want about Trae but he has been the best player on a team to make it to a conference finals. There is no guarantee a star player of Trae's caliber will want to play in San Antonio down the line. Rea life isn't 2k. Starts rarely become available and when they do they surely don't pick up Brian Wright's calls.

[DPG21920]

Reuniting the 2016 Villanova’s. Happy for the Knicks. Those guys play hard.

But that’s too expensive for the Spurs to get into. I’d throw that same for Markkanen though.

And spurs didnt have a shot. NYK not only “overpaid” but Bridges forced his way there and would not have done that for SA so it was not going to happen.

[Mr. Body]

It makes sense that the Hawks want to talk to the Spurs. The Hawks might want to do exactly what the Nets did: tear it down but only if they can get back control of their draft. The Hawks are in an even more desperate position because the Spurs control their draft for each of the next three years.

The best the Hawks can do is replenish their draft capital for the next three years, which will not include what the Spurs own. This won't be impossible.

At least in terms of the draft. I see something where they use Dejounte to get Brandon Ingram and that probably gives them new life.

[LeBowen]

Trae has 2 more years plus a player option he will probably decline on his contract. That means his would be up right when it's time to pay Wemby, which is pretty ideal.

Also beggars can't be choosers and the Spurs most certainly are not choosers. Say what you want about Trae but he has been the best player on a team to make it to a conference finals. There is no guarantee a star player of Trae's caliber will want to play in San Antonio down the line. Rea life isn't 2k. Starts rarely become available and when they do they surely don't pick up Brian Wright's calls.

For me Trae's contract is the deal breaker.
He's got that opt out clause and he'll ask for a max right away.
I don't think having Trae earn $60M a year is the way to winning.

I'd consider the trade only and only if he agrees to a team friendly extension before hand and stays in that ~45M a year range.
Want to win? Accept you're not good enough to lead a franchise and help it out by not asking to be overpaid.

[John B]

It makes sense that the Hawks want to talk to the Spurs. The Hawks might want to do exactly what the Nets did: tear it down but only if they can get back control of their draft. The Hawks are in an even more desperate position because the Spurs control their draft for each of the next three years.

I’d give Hawks their 2025 FRP and our 8th for 1st pick and DJ. I’d throw in Tre/Keldon.

Draft either Sarr or Risacher at 1st, Reed if available at 4 or Castle.

DJ, Reed/Castle, Vassell, Sarr/Risacher, Wemby.

[Ice009]

I’d give Hawks their 2025 FRP and our 8th for 1st pick and DJ. I’d throw in Tre/Keldon.

Draft either Sarr or Risacher at 1st, Reed if available at 4 or Castle.

DJ, Reed/Castle, Vassell, Sarr/Risacher, Wemby.

That would be some potentially sick defense (DJ, Castle, Vassell, Sarr, Victor), not sure about the offense, but man, I am defense first and I loved those days when the Spurs used to LOCK DOWN teams. In any case, I'd be down for making that happen.

[SpursFan86]

If Bridges is commanding that sort of haul, not sure I’m super interested in Young. Seems like we’d have to give back all 3 of the ATL picks + more. I’ll pass on that.

[LeBowen]

DJ's biggest value is his contract.
Ridiculously cheap for his production.
I'd argue it's one of the best contracts in the league.
Just $83M for age 28-30 seasons of a player who can easily average 22/8/8 and be a positive defender.

[Mr. Body]

I would get DJM back if he had better character. Slapping stacks of bills at strippers on his Insta isn't going to do it for me.

The Knicks set the market, though, and everything's going to be so expensive I think the only trades we'll see are for other players and packages. Thanks, Knicks.

[SpursFan86]

I’d give Hawks their 2025 FRP and our 8th for 1st pick and DJ. I’d throw in Tre/Keldon.

Draft either Sarr or Risacher at 1st, Reed if available at 4 or Castle.

DJ, Reed/Castle, Vassell, Sarr/Risacher, Wemby.


No way in hell ATL does that :lol They wouldn’t even trade Murray for their 2025 FRP + 8, much less give us #1 on top of that.

[John B]

No way in hell ATL does that :lol They wouldn’t even trade Murray for their 2025 FRP + 8, much less give us #1 on top of that.

Okay give all their picks back + 8 for DJ and 1st.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

I would get DJM back if he had better character. Slapping stacks of bills at strippers on his Insta isn't going to do it for me.


I'm afraid I have terrible news for you about young, super-rich athletes.

[DAF86]

Trae has 2 more years plus a player option he will probably decline on his contract. That means his would be up right when it's time to pay Wemby, which is pretty ideal.

Also beggars can't be choosers and the Spurs most certainly are not choosers. Say what you want about Trae but he has been the best player on a team to make it to a conference finals. There is no guarantee a star player of Trae's caliber will want to play in San Antonio down the line. Rea life isn't 2k. Starts rarely become available and when they do they surely don't pick up Brian Wright's calls.

In no way or form are the Spurs beggars. They are sitting pretty with a generational player on their side and a shitload of promising assets. There's no need to rush anything, much less for an extremely flawed "star". I would rather lose all games and get a top pick in the 25 draft than trade for Trae Young, tbh.

[poopbox]

For me Trae's contract is the deal breaker.
He's got that opt out clause and he'll ask for a max right away.
I don't think having Trae earn $60M a year is the way to winning.

I'd consider the trade only and only if he agrees to a team friendly extension before hand and stays in that ~45M a year range.
Want to win? Accept you're not good enough to lead a franchise and help it out by not asking to be overpaid.

You might as well get ready for a world where the Spurs never get an actual star player next to Wemby then, because no player who has made multiple all star teams and a all nba team is taking a "team friendly extension" when they will have multiple other teams lining up to pay them a max, which is what Trae will have when his contract is up, since he is an offense unto himself.

Enjoy these 4 to 6 years of Victor, because he is most certainly going to be demanding a trade around that time after spending years watching other teams in the nba pay whatever the price is for players and the Spurs telling him "sorry we can't they won't take a team friendly deal".

This is pretty funny coming off the revelation of Presti asking Giddey to play the Manu role and come off the bench next season and Giddey saying uh, nope, not fucking my money up, trade me.

[LeBowen]

You might as well get ready for a world where the Spurs never get an actual star player next to Wemby then, because no player who has made multiple all star teams and a all nba team is taking a "team friendly extension" when they will have multiple other teams lining up to pay them a max, which is what Trae will have when his contract is up, since he is an offense unto himself.

Bam just gave Heat a discount and signed before the season where making all-NBA or winning DPOY would gave him a chance to earn $40M more.
And it's not like Heat's situation is great.

Trae will obviously get offers and I'm not asking him to leave half the money on the table, but taking a 20-25% cut and still making well over $40M a year is a fair offer...if he's about winning, rather than maximizing the amount of money he can earn.
Not to mention how he'd actually earn some more money in endorsments as Wemby's running mate.


Enjoy these 4 to 6 years of Victor, because he is most certainly going to be demanding a trade around that time after spending years watching other teams in the nba pay whatever the price is for players and the Spurs telling him "sorry we can't they won't take a team friendly deal".

I'm all for blowing the load on Markkanen and giving him the max. I just don't think Trae is worth that money.


This is pretty funny coming off the revelation of Presti asking Giddey to play the Manu role and come off the bench next season and Giddey saying uh, nope, not fucking my money up, trade me.

And that's why Giddey will never be on a winning team.

[Kevin]

In no way or form are the Spurs beggars. They are sitting pretty with a generational player on their side and a shitload of promising assets. There's no need to rush anything, much less for an extremely flawed "star". I would rather lose all games and get a top pick in the 25 draft than trade for Trae Young, tbh.

Tanking is no longer an option with Wemby around. Spurs went 13-14 in the final 27 games of last season due to Wemby's emergence. Hawks aren't tanking either without regaining control of their own picks.

[poopbox]

In no way or form are the Spurs beggars. They are sitting pretty with a generational player on their side and a shitload of promising assets. There's no need to rush anything, much less for an extremely flawed "star". I would rather lose all games and get a top pick in the 25 draft than trade for Trae Young, tbh.

Of course they are beggars. They haven't signed even a good player since Lamarcus, and that had more to do with Lamarcus wanting to come back to Texas. This team has zero promising assets. Those quotes from Brian Wright should tell you that, where he mentioned how they have tried to be aggressive, but haven't done a trade worth anything other than bottoming out the team.

If the Spurs are trash again this year, picking in the top 5 again, I feel pretty strongly we are going to start hearing some "will Victor stay in San Antonio" talk. You don't win DPOY playing for a bottom 5 team. You don't win MVP playing for a bottom 5 team. You don't make all NBA playing for a bottom 5 team. All the things he constantly says he want's to do are impossible until the Spurs put some real talent around him/

Do the Spurs need to rush it? No. But the Spurs are not some single entity picking players off a conveyor belt, they are in a league with teams that are constantly trying to improve and get better. Every time the other team makes a trade...it's a trade you can't make. Eventually all the players you want or could help you get locked into contracts with other teams and then the next thing you know you drafting the Branhims and Wessleys of the world while giving the Zach Collins of the world 17 million because nobody else wants your money, they got it from somewhere else.

Looks like Spurs fans are going to find out the hard way real life isn't 2k.

[DPG21920]

Okay give all their picks back + 8 for DJ and 1st.

Nah

[DAF86]

Tanking is no longer an option with Wemby around. Spurs went 13-14 in the final 27 games of last season due to Wemby's emergence. Hawks aren't tanking either without regaining control of their own picks.

I'm not asking to tank, I'm just saying I would rather lose every game of the next season than to fuck 3 (or probably more) seasons of the Wemby era by commiting the mistake of trading a bunch of assets for Trae Young, a player that will never be part of a championship core (at least not as a prominent figure).

[DAF86]

Of course they are beggars. They haven't signed even a good player since Lamarcus, and that had more to do with Lamarcus wanting to come back to Texas. This team has zero promising assets. Those quotes from Brian Wright should tell you that, where he mentioned how they have tried to be aggressive, but haven't done a trade worth anything other than bottoming out the team.

If the Spurs are trash again this year, picking in the top 5 again, I feel pretty strongly we are going to start hearing some "will Victor stay in San Antonio" talk. You don't win DPOY playing for a bottom 5 team. You don't win MVP playing for a bottom 5 team. You don't make all NBA playing for a bottom 5 team. All the things he constantly says he want's to do are impossible until the Spurs put some real talent around him/

Do the Spurs need to rush it? No. But the Spurs are not some single entity picking players off a conveyor belt, they are in a league with teams that are constantly trying to improve and get better. Every time the other team makes a trade...it's a trade you can't make. Eventually all the players you want or could help you get locked into contracts with other teams and then the next thing you know you drafting the Branhims and Wessleys of the world while giving the Zach Collins of the world 17 million because nobody else wants your money, they got it from somewhere else.

Looks like Spurs fans are going to find out the hard way real life isn't 2k.

I'm all in for doing winning moves, tbh. Trae Young just isn't it, tbh. He's extremely flawed and he would cost way too much. A Trae Young trade is the kind of move that sets franchises back for years. Sure, you would win more sooner, but you will never win the one that matters. And before you know it, we will be doing mental gymnastics trying to figure out how we can rid of him.

[John B]

Nah

Dude. Give ATL their picks back plus 8, for 1st and DJ. We draft Risacher at 1st, Castle at 4. I’d throw in Keldon.

DJ, Vassell, Castle, Risacher, Wemby

[T Park]

Dude. Give ATL their picks back plus 8, for 1st and DJ. We draft Risacher at 1st, Castle at 4. I’d throw in Keldon.

DJ, Vassell, Castle, Risacher, Wemby


He’ll no

[DPG21920]

Dude. Give ATL their picks back plus 8, for 1st and DJ. We draft Risacher at 1st, Castle at 4. I’d throw in Keldon.

DJ, Vassell, Castle, Risacher, Wemby

NO lmao. That’s awful.

[Dverde]

ATL would want #4 not #8. They’d want Castle to replace Dejounte. I don’t think the Spurs want to deal with Dejounte anymore and won’t do it unless it’s a bargain price.

[DAF86]

Dude. Give ATL their picks back plus 8, for 1st and DJ. We draft Risacher at 1st, Castle at 4. I’d throw in Keldon.

DJ, Vassell, Castle, Risacher, Wemby

Dude. Just no. Stop. :lol

[Pauleta14]

Dude. Give ATL their picks back plus 8, for 1st and DJ. We draft Risacher at 1st, Castle at 4. I’d throw in Keldon.

DJ, Vassell, Castle, Risacher, Wemby

like all of them?? :lol

I wouldn't with just one