There is Markannen to Spurs Buzz

[scott]

All for some extra dough as UT can extend for more $$

Timmy Dunks taking 5 mil per year for another chance to title in 16. We're just never gonna see that again are we?
I realize that was a different cause.

Point being taking less, in Mark and modern day super paid NBA All Stars, FFS does it really impact your life if you sign for 200 million with UT vs 170 with Spurs and get 5 rings with Wemby? Sad.
Not sure what agent is telling him but i would think endorsement deals after 5 rings with Wemby would far overtake the lost money on a sign and trade with UT.

It's just my personal opinion, but I side with the players. I make great money and I could afford to take a pay cut... but I'm not going to. Granted, I'm not a professional athlete, but same principle applies IMO. Lauri should get his and take care of his family for generations to come. Fuck these owners.

[MultiTroll]

It's just my personal opinion, but I side with the players. I make great money and I could afford to take a pay cut... but I'm not going to. Granted, I'm not a professional athlete, but same principle applies IMO. Lauri should get his and take care of his family for generations to come. Fuck these owners.
After X # of million at what point does it make a difference?

Hey i can live in an 11 BR mansion or i can live in a 10 bedroom mansion. Is there really a difference to NBA player and familys day to day life?
I just think making 85% of whatever he's make in Utah being on a .500 forever team would pale in comparison to running 5 rings with Wemby.

The kicker is that many of them are broke after their NBA career. I don't see Mark being on of those tho.

[scott]

After X # of million at what point does it make a difference?

Hey i can live in an 11 BR mansion or i can live in a 10 bedroom mansion. Is there really a difference to NBA player and familys day to day life?
I just think making 85% of whatever he's make in Utah being on a .500 forever team would pale in comparison to running 5 rings with Wemby.

The kicker is that many of them are broke after their NBA career. I don't see Mark being on of those tho.

I can ask the same of these owners though. I'd rather the players I root for get that extra bowling alley in the basement of their mansion than Holt Jr. to get another vacation home. I root for the players and the team, not the owners.

[MultiTroll]

I can ask the same of these owners though. I'd rather the players I root for get that extra bowling alley in the basement of their mansion than Holt Jr. to get another vacation home. I root for the players and the team, not the owners.
Oh absolutely.

I think he is helping the Utah owner more by signing with them.
Love to see more NBA players play out their contract, become UFA. I know, very risky what if they get injured.

Ironic that it was Durbetta who did that.

[buttsR4rebounding]

It's just my personal opinion, but I side with the players. I make great money and I could afford to take a pay cut... but I'm not going to. Granted, I'm not a professional athlete, but same principle applies IMO. Lauri should get his and take care of his family for generations to come. Fuck these owners.

Not really an apples-to-apples comparison since in your job money is the primary measure of success for both you and your boss. However with sports teams many of the players and owners claim that winning a championship is the primary motivator ( which I don’t really believe, but is what many say). With a limited amount available for payroll a player taking a little less (like Brunson who I believe is going to catch a lot of shit from other players) can increase the chances of the stated goal of winning a championship. I am fine with players getting all they can just don’t be a hypocrite and say the most important thing is winning a ring when it is actually getting the biggest contract possible and winning a ring is secondary to that which is exactly what most of us would do given the chance.

[Chinook]

Lebron set the tone when he announced he was never going to take less than the max again after the Heat dumped Miller to save money. Before that, taking less to stay and win was seen as a perfectly viable pathway. Not everyone did it, but it wasn't controversial. Lebron basically said players could have their cake (max money) and eat it to (competing for titles) by strong-arming owners into going into the tax to build super teams. The new apron systems are trying to make that pathway inviable again. They still haven't fixed the Stepien rule to prevent these mega trades where teams ruin their futures to acquire a single guy. But I imagine it'll come soon. I do believe we'll see the day where stars avoid the DPE and even take less again in order to win. Eventually, players will figure out that no one is willing to give them a blank check and GMing powers anymore. It may require owners like Ishiba to get with the program first.

[scott]

Not really an apples-to-apples comparison since in your job money is the primary measure of success for both you and your boss. However with sports teams many of the players and owners claim that winning a championship is the primary motivator ( which I don’t really believe, but is what many say). With a limited amount available for payroll a player taking a little less (like Brunson who I believe is going to catch a lot of shit from other players) can increase the chances of the stated goal of winning a championship. I am fine with players getting all they can just don’t be a hypocrite and say the most important thing is winning a ring when it is actually getting the biggest contract possible and winning a ring is secondary to that which is exactly what most of us would do given the chance.

Of course you have no way of knowing what I do, and that's not your fault, but I'll say that some of the same principles your talking about apply to private industry as well. There are other organizations goals beyond money, and while we don't have a mandated salary cap, we no organization has unlimited resources and no successful organization will operate as if they do. There is still a limited amount available for payroll, and an employee taking less could make it possible to give someone else more or hire an extra person who could make the the organization more productive. I would still never do this and wouldn't convince any of my folks do so either.

I do agree that players go overboard with the "it's all about winning" talk - and a player who does say that should put there money where their mouth is and take less. But other than that, I'm completely fine with players getting what's theirs while competing their hardest to win.

[tonight...you]

All for some extra dough as UT can extend for more $$

Timmy Dunks taking 5 mil per year for another chance to title in 16. We're just never gonna see that again are we?
I realize that was a different cause.

Point being taking less, in Mark and modern day super paid NBA All Stars, FFS does it really impact your life if you sign for 200 million with UT vs 170 with Spurs and get 5 rings with Wemby? Sad.
Not sure what agent is telling him but i would think endorsement deals after 5 rings with Wemby would far overtake the lost money on a sign and trade with UT.
I guess Brunson would be the latest example of this happening for a team, but I get your point.

[Ice009]

I guess Brunson would be the latest example of this happening for a team, but I get your point.

Man, I need to go read about that. Did Brunson say why he gave up that much? Did he really want some of those players on the team, or was it because he wants to win a Championship that he was willing to sacrifice.

[mudyez]

It was clever business:

- As calculated he probably can make up for the difference once he signs the next deal (don't forget, that his current deal is one year shorter).
- He is in a situation (his dad, his godfather), where it's not simply about trust, that he will get his deal. Thats more or less a unique situation.
- He is seen even more as a great guy...not saying he isn't...but that alone might net him some money coz of add deals.
- He makes sure, the team stays competitive, thus keeping his stock up.

...and well: It's fun to play with your pals.

[Ice009]

It was clever business:

- As calculated he probably can make up for the difference once he signs the next deal (don't forget, that his current deal is one year shorter).
- He is in a situation (his dad, his godfather), where it's not simply about trust, that he will get his deal. Thats more or less a unique situation.
- He is seen even more as a great guy...not saying he isn't...but that alone might net him some money coz of add deals.
- He makes sure, the team stays competitive, thus keeping his stock up.

...and well: It's fun to play with your pals.

Yeah, OK, pretty cool. Seems it was a smart decision with a bunch of other factors I didn't know about. Does his dad work for the Knicks?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Of course you have no way of knowing what I do, and that's not your fault, but I'll say that some of the same principles your talking about apply to private industry as well. There are other organizations goals beyond money, and while we don't have a mandated salary cap, we no organization has unlimited resources and no successful organization will operate as if they do. There is still a limited amount available for payroll, and an employee taking less could make it possible to give someone else more or hire an extra person who could make the the organization more productive. I would still never do this and wouldn't convince any of my folks do so either.

I do agree that players go overboard with the "it's all about winning" talk - and a player who does say that should put there money where their mouth is and take less. But other than that, I'm completely fine with players getting what's theirs while competing their hardest to win.

I think we are in agreement. I have no heartburn whatsoever with players getting as much as they can. Just don't act like winning is the most important thing when it's not.

[mudyez]

Yeah, OK, pretty cool. Seems it was a smart decision with a bunch of other factors I didn't know about. Does his dad work for the Knicks?

Rick Brunson (his dad) is an assistant coach and Leon Rose (his godfather) is the president of the team.

Nobody thinks, the, are gone once Jalens contract is up and even if that would happen, the Knicks would shoot themselves in the foot if they lowball Brunson then.

Only way he is loosing out on that money is if he gets injured badly.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

If we use a flat percentage of 20%, the the chance of the hawks not being a top 5 for all three picks would be .8^3=51.2%. So we have a chance of getting one or more too 5 picks out of those three at a 48.8%

Thank you for correcting me! Sorry for my dumb math. In my head, I had 80% of top 5 pick each season for Hawks. Without Murray, they should have the bottom 5 record. Does this mean at least chance of top 5 pick?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I might be misunderstanding the question based on the way it's written and, but no, you do not have a 92% chance of all 3 picks landing in the Top 5.

If the chance of ONE pick being in the Top 5 is 20%, then the chance of all three picks landing in the top 5 is inherently lower than 20%. The odds of all three picks landing in the Top 5 would be 0.2 * 0.2 * 0.2 = 0.008 = 0.8%




If you're asking what the odds of getting a Top 5 pick from at least one of the picks, this is correct. Here is a handy calculator for quickly solving for these types of basic probability problems: https://www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/coin-flip-probability

Thank you for the info! I was ignorant!

[LeBowen]

Thank you for correcting me! Sorry for my dumb math. In my head, I had 80% of top 5 pick each season for Hawks. Without Murray, they should have the bottom 5 record. Does this mean at least chance of top 5 pick?

https://i.imgur.com/MJH5BQS.png

Current odds on tankathon, I don't think they changed after all the recent moves.
I'd swap Bulls and Jazz after their firesale.
Anyhow, those 8 teams will tank for sure. Some won't do it right away, but eventually it's going to happen.
Maybe Hornets finally put it together and make the play-in.

As you can see, you can't move up by just one or two spots when you're in late lottery.
You either move into top4, keep your spot or move down. That's why I don't like gambling with low odds.

Atlanta has zero incentive to tank and in my book that's +10 wins automatically. Especially in such weak conference.
No way they get into top5 odds if Trae is healthy.

[Kevin]

I can assume that Tankathon thinks Lauri is gone given those odds.

Looking at Atlanta's odds and one of those picks should be on the table for Lauri. As its been said many times ATL wont tank without control of their own picks and those picks are not the golden tickets people think they are.

[TD 21]

Players maximizing earnings is often a principle and status (just like starting is so important to many) thing, which is understandable.

That said, because this new CBA is practically a hard cap, expect to see more stars being open to (if they can land certain players by opening up access to certain exceptions, like James was willing to do) or flat out "taking less".

Specifically, the aging, injury prone types in non or borderline contending situations, are going to have decisions to make.

[MultiTroll]

I can assume that Tankathon thinks Lauri is gone given those odds.
Good question. Does Tankathon speculate or only go with what teams roster is for a fact at present?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

do players who win more, earn more?

does it make financial sense to get a lower salary that will be more than made up for by endorsements, future 'savvy vet who knows how to win' deals, etc?

[scott]

https://i.imgur.com/MJH5BQS.png

Current odds on tankathon, I don't think they changed after all the recent moves.
I'd swap Bulls and Jazz after their firesale.
Anyhow, those 8 teams will tank for sure. Some won't do it right away, but eventually it's going to happen.
Maybe Hornets finally put it together and make the play-in.

As you can see, you can't move up by just one or two spots when you're in late lottery.
You either move into top4, keep your spot or move down. That's why I don't like gambling with low odds.

Atlanta has zero incentive to tank and in my book that's +10 wins automatically. Especially in such weak conference.
No way they get into top5 odds if Trae is healthy.

If we assume ATL finished 10th worst each of the next 3 seasons, then the odds of the Spurs getting at least 1 Top-4 pick would be 36.2%

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/jazzlead/status/1817976123634106842?s=46

Close the thread. He’s not going anywhere. Keyonte went all the way to Finland to train with Lauri. People talking shit about how keeping Lauri will prevent them from getting a top 10 pick. I doubt it. They’ll pull all stops to tank next year. Coach will be in on it this time and bench players left and right. I don’t think there will be much an issue there.

Pic also shows how much of a vet leader Lauri would have been for the Spurs. Imagine our young guys flying out to Finland to train with him.

[scott]

https://x.com/jazzlead/status/1817976123634106842?s=46

Close the thread. He’s not going anywhere. Keyonte went all the way to Finland to train with Lauri. People talking shit about how keeping Lauri will prevent them from getting a top 10 pick. I doubt it. They’ll pull all stops to tank next year. Coach will be in on it this time and bench players left and right. I don’t think there will be much an issue there.

Pic also shows how much of a vet leader Lauri would have been for the Spurs. Imagine our young guys flying out to Finland to train with him.

I do believe you are most likely correct.

However, I did want to comment that this looks like one of the photos that you see years later of players who met some NBA stars when they were 12 :lol

[LeBowen]

Me right now:
https://streamable.com/vncmyf

https://streamable.com/vncmyf
Just replace the Knicks logo with Spurs. :lol

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/jazzlead/status/1817976123634106842?s=46

Close the thread. He’s not going anywhere. Keyonte went all the way to Finland to train with Lauri. People talking shit about how keeping Lauri will prevent them from getting a top 10 pick. I doubt it. They’ll pull all stops to tank next year. Coach will be in on it this time and bench players left and right. I don’t think there will be much an issue there.

Pic also shows how much of a vet leader Lauri would have been for the Spurs. Imagine our young guys flying out to Finland to train with him.

Knowing what a poor shooter Keynote George is, he was probably trying to get to Paris.

[Joseph Kony]

i mean, i really dont think a player going to visit his teammate and train with him is proof of anything other than them being friends, which they can certainly be on different teams. Markkanen is probably not getting traded, and if he is it probably isnt here, but its not going to be because Keyonte fucking George went to Finland to hoop with him :lol

[Manu&Duncan fan]

If we assume ATL finished 10th worst each of the next 3 seasons, then the odds of the Spurs getting at least 1 Top-4 pick would be 36.2%

To me, Hawks is weaker than Detroit and Charlotte. Your desire to win doesn't matter if you don't have good players.

So, I expect they will be a bottom 5 team. I do value their picks. I won't trade any of these picks for Lauri, even though I'm desperate to get him.

[DPG21920]

Just need to see. ATL should easily be a play in team if Trae is healthy. But no margin for error. Any injury will have ATL in trouble.

[exstatic]

Just need to see. ATL should easily be a play in team if Trae is healthy. But no margin for error. Any injury will have ATL in trouble.

They were #10 in the East last year, and got blown out in the playin game. They also traded Dejounte for basically nothing. I don’t see it.

[DPG21920]

They were #10 in the East last year, and got blown out in the playin game. They also traded Dejounte for basically nothing. I don’t see it.

Who leaped them?

[scott]

To me, Hawks is weaker than Detroit and Charlotte. Your desire to win doesn't matter if you don't have good players.

So, I expect they will be a bottom 5 team. I do value their picks. I won't trade any of these picks for Lauri, even though I'm desperate to get him.

If we think ATL is a bottom 5 team (which I don't), then absolutely all of those picks should be off limits unless we're talking something Lauri for just one of them, and that's it. But... I just don't see it.


Just need to see. ATL should easily be a play in team if Trae is healthy. But no margin for error. Any injury will have ATL in trouble.

I agree...


They were #10 in the East last year, and got blown out in the playin game. They also traded Dejounte for basically nothing. I don’t see it.

...but I don't think it necessarily means ATL will be better than last year, just better than the rest of the east. BKN, WAS, DET, CHI should all be shoe-ins to be worse than ATL. That puts CHA-TOR-ATL fighting for the 9 and 10 seeds. I do see them all a distinct cut below the next tier in the east of MIA-ORL-IND-CLE, all of whom could finish anywhere from 4-8, IMO.

So, for that reason, I agree with DPG21920 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014), that ATL has pretty firm footing on a play-in spot, which they might be able to get with only something like 32 wins.

[LeBowen]

They were #10 in the East last year, and got blown out in the playin game. They also traded Dejounte for basically nothing. I don’t see it.

Someone has to make the play-in.
Nets, Wizards, Bulls surely won't.
I'd say Hawks are better than Hornets, Pistons and Raptors.
Especially with no incentive to lose games, unlike those six teams.
Ideally Hornets finally put it together and beat Hawks in the play-in.

[exstatic]

Who leaped them?

The talent gods? They’re worse.

I’m also not sure that CHA and DET will be hard tanking. You don’t need #1 in this draft, and it seems like every other year, there are 2-3 teams that jump in to The Four. Hard tanking hasn’t done shit for Detroit.

[DPG21920]

The talent gods? They’re worse.

I’m also not sure that CHA and DET will be hard tanking. You don’t need #1 in this draft, and it seems like every other year, there are 2-3 teams that jump in to The Four. Hard tanking hasn’t done shit for Detroit.

I think you’re clearly underestimating ATL but we will see. Hope you’re right. But I think ATL will be firmly in the play in race barring injury to Trae

[Frenchfred]

The talent gods? They’re worse.

I’m also not sure that CHA and DET will be hard tanking. You don’t need #1 in this draft, and it seems like every other year, there are 2-3 teams that jump in to The Four. Hard tanking hasn’t done shit for Detroit.

Plus I don't feel that CHA is that bad with Lamelo, Brandon Miller, Miles Bridges. If Lamelo is healthy, I think that they finish ahead of the Spurs

[scott]

It would be pretty fucking rad if ATL was worse and CHA snuck in there. For that reason I wish CHA would have taken Clingan over Salaun. Clingan would have been more useful this year.

[Frenchfred]

https://i.imgur.com/MJH5BQS.png

Current odds on tankathon, I don't think they changed after all the recent moves.
I'd swap Bulls and Jazz after their firesale.
Anyhow, those 8 teams will tank for sure. Some won't do it right away, but eventually it's going to happen.
Maybe Hornets finally put it together and make the play-in.

As you can see, you can't move up by just one or two spots when you're in late lottery.
You either move into top4, keep your spot or move down. That's why I don't like gambling with low odds.

Atlanta has zero incentive to tank and in my book that's +10 wins automatically. Especially in such weak conference.
No way they get into top5 odds if Trae is healthy.

I think that the Spurs will finish in the bottom 5 this year again. They didn't improve at all.

[exstatic]

It would be pretty fucking rad if ATL was worse and CHA snuck in there. For that reason I wish CHA would have taken Clingan over Salaun. Clingan would have been more useful this year.

Is Mark Williams status questionable?

[exstatic]

I think you’re clearly underestimating ATL but we will see. Hope you’re right. But I think ATL will be firmly in the play in race barring injury to Trae

They’ve been slowly, stealthily been tearing it down for 3 years, or so. Huerter, Bogdonovic, Jcollins, DJ. They haven’t really gotten much back, either. I think it’s a house of cards.

[exstatic]

I think that the Spurs will finish in the bottom 5 this year again. They didn't improve at all.

Hit yourself in the head with a hammer. Your brain needs a recalibration.

[scott]

Is Mark Williams status questionable?

Haven't checked lately but leading up to the draft sounded like it was pretty iffy

[Seventyniner]

They’ve been slowly, stealthily been tearing it down for 3 years, or so. Huerter, Bogdonovic, Jcollins, DJ. They haven’t really gotten much back, either. I think it’s a house of cards.

You're right that the Hawks are worse in an absolute sense compared to last year, but what matters is how good they are relative to the rest of the league. There will likely be a lot more tanking by the worst teams this year because the 2025 draft is perceived to be very strong compared to 2024.

If the draft wheel was in place, or some other mechanism that made losing games on purpose useless, the Hawks very well could finish in the bottom 6 or 7 teams.

[Frenchfred]

Hit yourself in the head with a hammer. Your brain needs a recalibration.

Thanks for the insult. What improvement have they made over last year? CP3 is old and was not doing well for Golden State even though he will be a good teacher to Castle. Castle can't shoot, good defender but he can't shoot right now and is a rookie. Harrison Barnes is a good addition but that's about it and Cedi probably won't come back so Barnes is a slight improvement over him.

[Mr. Body]

Thanks for the insult. What improvement have they made over last year? CP3 is old and was not doing well for Golden State even though he will be a good teacher to Castle. Castle can't shoot, good defender but he can't shoot right now and is a rookie. Harrison Barnes is a good addition but that's about it and Cedi probably won't come back so Barnes is a slight improvement over him.

"I see a lot of trees but where's the forest?"

[onechance87]

I think that the Spurs will finish in the bottom 5 this year again. They didn't improve at all.

Think hard about it my guy.No way we are bottom 5 again.Several teams are desperately trying to be top bottom 6 next year.

[Pauleta14]

I think that the Spurs will finish in the bottom 5 this year again. They didn't improve at all.

Spurs had to work hard to be bottom 5 in a season without tanking motivation around the league and the most inexperienced team of all time (factual).

Only a season ending injury of Vic would make ur prediction realistic

[scott]

Hard to imagine anything short of Point Sochan pt2 or another event, which some posters have mentioned but I dare not to speak into existence, keeping us from some improvement... which kind of draws into question why we didn't do more to improve, but that's beside the point.

[exstatic]

Spurs had to work hard to be bottom 5 in a season without tanking motivation around the league and the most inexperienced team of all time (factual).

Only a season ending injury of Vic would make ur prediction realistic

:lol Pop shut down Keldon, Vassell, and Sochan and they still finished 6-2, riding on Wemby’s back.

[scott]

:lol Pop shut down Keldon, Vassell, and Sochan and they still finished 6-2, riding on Wemby’s back.

We won a few extra games we didn't need to in the Wemby draft year as well... had good lotto ping pong ball results both times... I think the ping pong gods disfavor the uber tankers.

[exstatic]

We won a few extra games we didn't need to in the Wemby draft year as well... had good lotto ping pong ball results both times... I think the ping pong gods disfavor the uber tankers.

Detroit has entered the chat…

[MultiTroll]

:lol Pop shut down Keldon, Vassell, and Sochan and they still finished 6-2, riding on Wemby’s back.
Or was it because he took the Freeze Out Krew off the court? :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Anything new on this?

Feels like he’s stuck in Utah.

[Frenchfred]

Think hard about it my guy.No way we are bottom 5 again.Several teams are desperately trying to be top bottom 6 next year.

it really feels like last summer again when the fans were overestimating the roster thinking that Sochan was this juggernaut, Vassel was the second coming of Jordan, Sissoko was this interesting prospect, Wesley was going to be good, Collins was going to be this good center...The roster is pretty much the same with a washed up CP and Barnes who is a slight improvement over Cedi.

People really believe that Pop won't tank again for a chance at a top4 in a much better draft if the Spurs are at the bottom 10?

[onechance87]

it really feels like last summer again when the fans were overestimating the roster thinking that Sochan was this juggernaut, Vassel was the second coming of Jordan, Sissoko was this interesting prospect, Wesley was going to be good, Collins was going to be this good center...The roster is pretty much the same with a washed up CP and Barnes who is a slight improvement over Cedi.

People really believe that Pop won't tank again for a chance at a top4 in a much better draft if the Spurs are at the bottom 10?

if sochan,wesley,branham or collins dont improve greatly,Somebody should be fired.Three 1st round picks along with the ext to collins in
3 years with nothing to show for.I actually think chris paul should be a upgrade over tre jones.barnes should be another upgrade at sf.
Our roster is bad no doubt.Just think other teams will force themselves to be bad in a top 5 loaded draft.

[John B]

Why would CP3 agree to sign with the Spurs if they’re going to tank? Wouldn’t he rather spend his last season(s) competing?

[MultiTroll]

Why would CP3 agree to sign with the Spurs if they’re going to tank? Wouldn’t he rather spend his last season(s) competing?
Who knows what Popped offered him?

This talk of him becoming a Spurs coach, and possibly the HC is :depressed

[itzsoweezee]

Anything new on this?

Feels like he’s stuck in Utah.

It seems he wants to be in Utah. Whether that is more important than winning, I think, will determine if he stays

[John B]

Who knows what Popped offered him?

This talk of him becoming a Spurs coach, and possibly the HC is :depressed

But can you really see CP3 as competitive as this guy is playing to lose?? I remember when Timmy was Assistant Coach and he couldn’t bare to watch them lose, TP was wandering what Pop was doing with his young lineup. I don’t know if CP3 would be onboard with purposely tanking. That makes me think there’s still something on the works, not necessarily Markkanen if he’s too expensive but something.

[MultiTroll]

But can you really see CP3 as competitive as this guy is playing to lose?? I remember when Timmy was Assistant Coach and he couldn’t bare to watch them lose, TP was wandering what Pop was doing with his young lineup. I don’t know if CP3 would be onboard with purposely tanking. That makes me think there’s still something on the works, not necessarily Markkanen if he’s too expensive but something.
Oh ya i remember Timmy Dunks as assistant. Esp when that clip was caught of he and Becky looking at each other like WTF as they appeared to be going over starting lineups on their clipboard.

Pains me to say this but could CP0 very much have needed the money?
And or additionally does he delusionally think he is going to return to his 28 year old self?
Or did he think the Spurs would score a legit star FA and will be competetive?

I myself do not want to see an overpay for Markenannz. Would rather suck another year, or at least be okay another year vs jack things up for 6 years with a bad overpay.

[LeBowen]

it really feels like last summer again when the fans were overestimating the roster thinking that Sochan was this juggernaut, Vassel was the second coming of Jordan, Sissoko was this interesting prospect, Wesley was going to be good, Collins was going to be this good center...The roster is pretty much the same with a washed up CP and Barnes who is a slight improvement over Cedi.

People really believe that Pop won't tank again for a chance at a top4 in a much better draft if the Spurs are at the bottom 10?

Sochan looked good for a rookie - didn't improve at all in his second year. Exact same numbers, even after he got moved back to forward position.
Devin improved, not as much as we would've liked, but he's an efficent 20ppg scorer already and not a negative on defense. Sidenote: his contract will be one of the best in the league in a couple of years.
Sissoko was a project, noone expected him to be a contributor.
Wesley wasn't ever rated by anyone.
Collins recovered from an awful injury, had a good year and then just fell apart in his second season with the Spurs. His defense was beyond atrocious.


washed up CP

His best and even his good days are obviously long gone, but last season he averaged 9/8 in just 26mpg playing for a team that was an awful fit for him.
We made huge improvements as soon as Tre was moved to the starting lineup, CP3 is still a better player than Tre and we're guaranteed to have 48 minutes of actual point guard play.
If Castle turns out to be a point guard right away, that would also be amazing.


Barnes who is a slight improvement over Cedi.

Now you're shitting on everything just for the sake on shitting on everything.
Cedi could barely make rotation for one of the worst teams in the league, was a defensive sieve and couldn't play PF.
Barnes' per36 numbers are exactly the same like they were 5 years ago, it's just that his role got reduced due to them having Keegan Murray.


People really believe that Pop won't tank again for a chance at a top4 in a much better draft if the Spurs are at the bottom 10?

Do you even watch any games other than Spurs? Do you even watch Spurs games?
Do you even check rosters and box scores? That would be enough to realize that at least 6, probably 8 teams are going to be blatantly tanking and their best players are a few tiers below Wemby.

If Wemby is healthy, we simply can't tank. Just look at how last season ended.
We won three straight, Devin/Keldon/Jeremy got shut down and Spurs still ended the season with 4-4 in their last 8, with 6 of those being against playoff teams.

Wemby's numbers without Devin/Keldon/Jeremy, second/third/fourth best player on the roster?
28/13.5/6.5 with 4.5 blocks in just 35mpg.

He's inevitable. He's going to be a top10 player this season and he looks like someone who really hates losing.
You really don't want to make a player like him unhappy with another tanking season.

The only realistic tanking option would be to pull the handbrake in the final couple of weeks if we can't make the play-in.

[scott]

My Prediction:

Rumor mill will heat back up and go into overdrive starting this weekend. Warriors, Spurs and some mystery third team will be rumored to have made new godfather offers (we won't be able to confirm this, but most of these "leaks" will be coming from the Jazz FO themselves as they try one last push to get the offer they want). From the 4th to the 6th, this will be the top NBA story.

35% chance he gets traded on the 5th or 6th. 65% chance he renegs and extends with UTA on the 7th.

This thread will add another 20 pages. I'll be responsible for about 4 of them.

Lauri will have a great year. Utah won't be good enough to lose their pick to OKC, but won't be bad enough to get the Top 5 pick they need. Utah fans will simultaneously rejoice another season of avoiding 60 losses while calling for someone to be fired as they add yet another mid-lotto pick who projects as nothing more than a role player. Lauri gets traded next offseason for a fraction of what he would have now. Utah fans cry. Ainge gets a raise.

[stnick2261]

My Prediction:

Rumor mill will heat back up and go into overdrive starting this weekend. Warriors, Spurs and some mystery third team will be rumored to have made new godfather offers (we won't be able to confirm this, but most of these "leaks" will be coming from the Jazz FO themselves as they try one last push to get the offer they want). From the 4th to the 6th, this will be the top NBA story.

35% chance he gets traded on the 5th or 6th. 65% chance he renegs and extends with UTA on the 7th.

This thread will add another 20 pages. I'll be responsible for about 4 of them.

Lauri will have a great year. Utah won't be good enough to lose their pick to OKC, but won't be bad enough to get the Top 5 pick they need. Utah fans will simultaneously rejoice another season of avoiding 60 losses while calling for someone to be fired as they add yet another mid-lotto pick who projects as nothing more than a role player. Lauri gets traded next offseason for a fraction of what he would have now. Utah fans cry. Ainge gets a raise.

It would be amazing if he gets traded before the 7th with how much money he'd have to give up to do so.

EDIT: (before the 6th)

[Seventyniner]

It would be amazing if he gets traded before the 7th with how much money he'd have to give up to do so.

Lauri wouldn't be giving anything up by being traded because he doesn't have control over that. He would have to hope he doesn't get a major injury this season, but on the flip side he could perform his way into a huge contact.

[stnick2261]

Lauri wouldn't be giving anything up by being traded because he doesn't have control over that. He would have to hope he doesn't get a major injury this season, but on the flip side he could perform his way into a huge contact.

If he gets traded before Aug 6th, it will be before he is renegotiated and extended. In this case, his value in a trade is lower so he wouldn't cost as much (asset-wise) because he would be viewed as a "1-year rental" regardless of whether he has a back-door agreement to extend with his new team.

Once traded, he has to wait 6 months before he can renegotiate and extend with his new team. Teams can only renegotiate using whatever cap space they have remaining. Since teams are heavily incentivized to at least be at the salary-floor by opening night, they only have the amount of money between the salary-floor and the salary-cap. He makes $18.04mil and there is only $14.06mil between the salary floor and cap, so can only be renegotiated up to $32.4mil and would only be eligible to extend for $45.37mil. That is much less than he can make any other way.

He would make more money by not extending, and getting the max amount in free agency. Even that is less than he can make by renegotiating and extending with Utah first (before a trade).

[spurraider21]

if the jazz dont move him, lauri absolutely should wait until august 7 to renegotiate/extend. why would you want to be giving it all for Utah who you've expressed a desire to stay with only to be dangled leading up to the deadline. at least that way he puts those concerns to rest and can just focus on the season

[scott]

If he gets traded before Aug 6th, it will be before he is renegotiated and extended. In this case, his value in a trade is lower so he wouldn't cost as much (asset-wise) because he would be viewed as a "1-year rental" regardless of whether he has a back-door agreement to extend with his new team.

Once traded, he has to wait 6 months before he can renegotiate and extend with his new team. Teams can only renegotiate using whatever cap space they have remaining. Since teams are heavily incentivized to at least be at the salary-floor by opening night, they only have the amount of money between the salary-floor and the salary-cap. He makes $18.04mil and there is only $14.06mil between the salary floor and cap, so can only be renegotiated up to $32.4mil and would only be eligible to extend for $45.37mil. That is much less than he can make any other way.

He would make more money by not extending, and getting the max amount in free agency. Even that is less than he can make by renegotiating and extending with Utah first (before a trade).

All of this has been covered ad nauseum in this thread. No need to rehash it, but here are all the possible options of what can happen:

1) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah, and gets traded. The acquiring team would have to wait 6 months to reneg and/or extend with him, but they wouldn't have the cap space to reneg enough to offer him a max extension. In all likelihood the team would do a reneg on his current salary with whatever capspace they have (if any), and then sign a max deal with them before free agency starts next season.
2) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah on Aug 6. They'll then be eligible to be traded on, and only on, Feb 6, the trade deadline.
3) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah after Aug 6. He can't be traded this season.
4) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah and hits UFA.

Scenarios 2 and 3 are the ones where Lauri makes the most amount of money. The Jazz have the cap space to raise him all the way up to $42.3MM this season. In scenario 1, he'd a most be able to get approximately a $5MM reneg "bonus" (roughly 1/3 of the $14.06 in cap space teams can carry, since only about 1/3 of the season left. Someone may have to correct me on this), so he leaves around $20MM on the table in scenario 1 but he'll still get the same max contract with max raises. Scenario 5 Lauri gets the least amount of money because he can only get 5% raises instead of 8% raises and 4 years instead of 5.

No one acquiring Lauri in Scenario 1 will view him as a rental, and Ainge won't accept a rental price - so that is kind of moot.

[stnick2261]

All of this has been covered ad nauseum in this thread. No need to rehash it, but here are all the possible options of what can happen:

1) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah, and gets traded. The acquiring team would have to wait 6 months to reneg and/or extend with him, but they wouldn't have the cap space to reneg enough to offer him a max extension. In all likelihood the team would do a reneg on his current salary with whatever capspace they have (if any), and then sign a max deal with them before free agency starts next season.
2) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah on Aug 6. They'll then be eligible to be traded on, and only on, Feb 6, the trade deadline.
3) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah after Aug 6. He can't be traded this season.
4) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah and hits UFA.

Scenarios 2 and 3 are the ones where Lauri makes the most amount of money. The Jazz have the cap space to raise him all the way up to $42.3MM this season. In scenario 1, he'd a most be able to get approximately a $5MM reneg "bonus" (roughly 1/3 of the $14.06 in cap space teams can carry, since only about 1/3 of the season left. Someone may have to correct me on this), so he leaves around $20MM on the table in scenario 1 but he'll still get the same max contract with max raises. Scenario 5 Lauri gets the least amount of money because he can only get 5% raises instead of 8% raises and 4 years instead of 5.

No one acquiring Lauri in Scenario 1 will view him as a rental, and Ainge won't accept a rental price - so that is kind of moot.

I'm trying not to nitpick, but I was under the impression that in Scenario 1 he wouldn't be extending since any team wouldn't be able to renegotiate up to the $38mil he would need to extend for the max. Instead, he would hit Free Agency and only get 4 years and 5% raises. I could definitely be wrong, but that's why I viewed Scenario 1 as very unlikely. I thought he could only get 5 years and 8% raises if it was an actual extension. I need to go check the CBA again.

[DAF86]

Why would CP3 agree to sign with the Spurs if they’re going to tank? Wouldn’t he rather spend his last season(s) competing?

The Spurs probably offered the most money, plus he can be traded at the deadline.

[Seventyniner]

If he gets traded before Aug 6th, it will be before he is renegotiated and extended. In this case, his value in a trade is lower so he wouldn't cost as much (asset-wise) because he would be viewed as a "1-year rental" regardless of whether he has a back-door agreement to extend with his new team.

Once traded, he has to wait 6 months before he can renegotiate and extend with his new team. Teams can only renegotiate using whatever cap space they have remaining. Since teams are heavily incentivized to at least be at the salary-floor by opening night, they only have the amount of money between the salary-floor and the salary-cap. He makes $18.04mil and there is only $14.06mil between the salary floor and cap, so can only be renegotiated up to $32.4mil and would only be eligible to extend for $45.37mil. That is much less than he can make any other way.

He would make more money by not extending, and getting the max amount in free agency. Even that is less than he can make by renegotiating and extending with Utah first (before a trade).

I meant that Lauri doesn't have control over whether or not he is traded, and also doesn't have control over whether or not he is offered an extension. I think "give up" was the wrong term to use, instead "lose" would have worked.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

My prediction:

48% chance he will be a Spur by August 6th. Because Spur's offer is better than Warrior's and anyone else.

48% chance he will be a spur by September 30th. Waiting another two months doesn't hurt Lauri's trade value.

1% chance Jazz will extend him for $35 million annual salary. Then he will be traded to Spurs next summer for more picks than this year (because of his team-friendly salary). But Lauri would have no reason to do that since Spurs already promised him max extension.

1% Chance Jazz will extend him and pay him max salary - $42 million annually. He is not in their future plan. Extending him and giving him $200+ million makes him harder to trade in the future. Then he got injured, then Jazz pays spurs to get rid of his salary. After this happens, Ainge got fired and never find another job again.

So, he will be a Spur 100% chance within one year. Cheers guys!

[John B]

My prediction:

48% chance he will be a Spur by August 6th. Because Spur's offer is better than Warrior's and anyone else.

48% chance he will be a spur by September 30th. Waiting another two months doesn't hurt Lauri's trade value.

1% chance Jazz will extend him for $35 million annual salary. Then he will be traded to Spurs next summer for more picks than this year (because of his team-friendly salary). But Lauri would have no reason to do that since Spurs already promised him max extension.

1% Chance Jazz will extend him and pay him max salary - $42 million annually. He is not in their future plan. Extending him and giving him $200+ million makes him harder to trade in the future. Then he got injured, then Jazz pays spurs to get rid of his salary. After this happens, Ainge got fired and never find another job again.

So, he will be a Spur 100% chance within one year. Cheers guys!

Where’s the other 2%?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Where’s the other 2%?

Sorry for my dumb math. You can change the 48% to 49%.

[stnick2261]

All of this has been covered ad nauseum in this thread. No need to rehash it, but here are all the possible options of what can happen:

1) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah, and gets traded. The acquiring team would have to wait 6 months to reneg and/or extend with him, but they wouldn't have the cap space to reneg enough to offer him a max extension. In all likelihood the team would do a reneg on his current salary with whatever capspace they have (if any), and then sign a max deal with them before free agency starts next season.
2) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah on Aug 6. They'll then be eligible to be traded on, and only on, Feb 6, the trade deadline.
3) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah after Aug 6. He can't be traded this season.
4) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah and hits UFA.

Scenarios 2 and 3 are the ones where Lauri makes the most amount of money. The Jazz have the cap space to raise him all the way up to $42.3MM this season. In scenario 1, he'd a most be able to get approximately a $5MM reneg "bonus" (roughly 1/3 of the $14.06 in cap space teams can carry, since only about 1/3 of the season left. Someone may have to correct me on this), so he leaves around $20MM on the table in scenario 1 but he'll still get the same max contract with max raises. Scenario 5 Lauri gets the least amount of money because he can only get 5% raises instead of 8% raises and 4 years instead of 5.

No one acquiring Lauri in Scenario 1 will view him as a rental, and Ainge won't accept a rental price - so that is kind of moot.


I'm trying not to nitpick, but I was under the impression that in Scenario 1 he wouldn't be extending since any team wouldn't be able to renegotiate up to the $38mil he would need to extend for the max. Instead, he would hit Free Agency and only get 4 years and 5% raises. I could definitely be wrong, but that's why I viewed Scenario 1 as very unlikely. I thought he could only get 5 years and 8% raises if it was an actual extension. I need to go check the CBA again.

Nevermind, I think I found it. We would get his bird rights in the trade, correct?

[scott]

I'm trying not to nitpick, but I was under the impression that in Scenario 1 he wouldn't be extending since any team wouldn't be able to renegotiate up to the $38mil he would need to extend for the max. Instead, he would hit Free Agency and only get 4 years and 5% raises. I could definitely be wrong, but that's why I viewed Scenario 1 as very unlikely. I thought he could only get 5 years and 8% raises if it was an actual extension. I need to go check the CBA again.


Nevermind, I think I found it. We would get his bird rights in the trade, correct?

That's correct, the Spurs (or any other team) would have his bird rights and can offer him the 5-yr/8% raise max after his contract expires but before FA starts. This is essentially what happened with Siakam and OG last year.

Also, something for folks to remember, I am pretty sure he can renegotiate without extending, meaning the team who gets him can give him a small "bonus" without needing to be able to give him a max extension. Like a "here is $5MM for being a good soldier, we'll get you that max in a few months" - but they'll need cap space to do it (which they may not have).

[scott]

Where’s the other 2%?

Lauri sprouts angel wings and ascends into the heavens before the season starts.

[Seventyniner]

Lauri sprouts angel wings and ascends into the heavens before the season starts.

https://i.ibb.co/fYL3bgv/markkanen-ascend.jpg

[sfernald]

I’m starting to have my doubts Markannen will be traded at all!

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I’m starting to have my doubts Markannen will be traded at all!

It will happen. Jazz and Spurs are just waiting on each other to make some concessions.

Remember, in business world, very often, 80% of the concessions are made on the last day. Neither side is in a hurry at this moment.

[Spurs Homer]

this kunt a spur yet?

have spurs mgmt rectified that #8 pick gifting to a rival yet?

[The Truth #6]

I'm ready to move on from Markkannen as an idea. Danny is waiting for a desperate team and that isn't us. Also, elephant in the room, Utah craves white players historically, so still a chance they stick together.

[KingKev]

My Prediction:

Rumor mill will heat back up and go into overdrive starting this weekend. Warriors, Spurs and some mystery third team will be rumored to have made new godfather offers (we won't be able to confirm this, but most of these "leaks" will be coming from the Jazz FO themselves as they try one last push to get the offer they want). From the 4th to the 6th, this will be the top NBA story.

35% chance he gets traded on the 5th or 6th. 65% chance he renegs and extends with UTA on the 7th.

This thread will add another 20 pages. I'll be responsible for about 4 of them.

Lauri will have a great year. Utah won't be good enough to lose their pick to OKC, but won't be bad enough to get the Top 5 pick they need. Utah fans will simultaneously rejoice another season of avoiding 60 losses while calling for someone to be fired as they add yet another mid-lotto pick who projects as nothing more than a role player. Lauri gets traded next offseason for a fraction of what he would have now. Utah fans cry. Ainge gets a raise.

lol you taking the weekend off bro? Add that Lauri gets paid and his performance slumps before he gets traded at the deadline.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm ready to move on from Markkannen as an idea. Danny is waiting for a desperate team and that isn't us. Also, elephant in the room, Utah craves white players historically, so still a chance they stick together.

I just don’t know if he will be worth the money he will be asking for long term
If the Spurs do trade for him. He’s an exciting player but is that who the Spurs want to be locked in with for the next 4-5 years?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

lol you taking the weekend off bro? Add that Lauri gets paid and his performance slumps before he gets traded at the deadline.

That's why Jazz will not extend him. Too much risk. He may get injured or he may simply slump. His trade value is peaked this summer.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I just don’t know if he will be worth the money he will be asking for long term
If the Spurs do trade for him. He’s an exciting player but is that who the Spurs want to be locked in with for the next 4-5 years?


yes he is worth the max money from Spurs. But he is not necessarily worth the max for other teams like Houston or Thunders. That's why Spurs is reluctant to offer more than 3 average FRPs.

[Pauleta14]

It will happen. Jazz and Spurs are just waiting on each other to make some concessions.

Remember, in business world, very often, 80% of the concessions are made on the last day. Neither side is in a hurry at this moment.

When would that be?

Do you think before the 6th of August or after?

[exstatic]

I'm ready to move on from Markkannen as an idea. Danny is waiting for a desperate team and that isn't us. Also, elephant in the room, Utah craves white players historically, so still a chance they stick together.

While I won’t argue your contention, the white player he wants more than Markannen is Cooper Flagg, and it’s hard to get him with LM active and playing most games, which he said he wants to do.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

While I won’t argue your contention, the white player he wants more than Markannen is Cooper Flagg, and it’s hard to get him with LM active and playing most games, which he said he wants to do.

Totally agree with you!

[Manu&Duncan fan]

When would that be?

Do you think before the 6th of August or after?

Either August 6th or before season starts.

[Pauleta14]

This dude would come from anywhere else but scandinavia I'd feel more confident.

I can easily believe that he and his family are happy in Utah to the point of being ok to stay even if it means a few more loosing seasons (+ a massive salary raise)

We tend to underrate the impact of families in decisisons and kid's education, stability and well being.

[The Truth #6]

While I won’t argue your contention, the white player he wants more than Markannen is Cooper Flagg, and it’s hard to get him with LM active and playing most games, which he said he wants to do.

Cooper Flagg, definitely a move up. If they are trying to bottom out this year, it's definitely an interesting way to slowly extract maximum return on their existing players over several years since he took over the team. But yeah, we'll see who blinks etc.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

This dude would come from anywhere else but scandinavia I'd feel more confident.

I can easily believe that he and his family are happy in Utah to the point of being ok to stay even if it means a few more loosing seasons (+ a massive salary raise)

We tend to underrate the impact of families in decisisons and kid's education, stability and well being.

Even if he and his family wants to stay in Utah. Utah doesn't want him. This is business.

[Seventyniner]

Back in November 2022 Windhorst wrote an article about Wembanyama and Shelburne wrote one with it about Markkanen. It's an interesting juxtaposition.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35026261/the-hoop-collective-victor-wembanyama-rise-spell-end-team-usa-dynasty

[sfernald]

It will happen. Jazz and Spurs are just waiting on each other to make some concessions.

Remember, in business world, very often, 80% of the concessions are made on the last day. Neither side is in a hurry at this moment.

Maybe a better plan would be just get Anfernee Simons from Portland for Keldon & Chicago first?

https://hoopshabit.com/posts/the-spurs-were-just-gifted-the-perfect-trade-target-from-the-rebuilding-blazers

Shoots 39% from three on large volume (nearly same as Mark last year on greater volume), 92% from the FT line (better than Mark), etc. Why not fill our shooting needs for the team in a cheaper way? Makes no sense to pay the farm cause we in hot lust!

[exstatic]

Maybe a better plan would be just get Anfernee Simons from Portland for Keldon & Chicago first?

https://hoopshabit.com/posts/the-spurs-were-just-gifted-the-perfect-trade-target-from-the-rebuilding-blazers

Shoots 39% from three on large volume (nearly same as Mark last year on greater volume), 92% from the FT line (better than Mark), etc. Why not fill our shooting needs for the team in a cheaper way? Makes no sense to pay the farm cause we in hot lust!

Simons is JUST a shooter, and he’s small. Marianne brings size, shooting, rebounding, and ridiculous driving and finishing. You can’t compare two players just because they both shoot. Keldon shoots. Just keep him and the CHI pick, if that’s the case.

[sfernald]

Simons is JUST a shooter, and he’s small. Marianne brings size, shooting, rebounding, and ridiculous driving and finishing. You can’t compare two players just because they both shoot. Keldon shoots. Just keep him and the CHI pick, if that’s the case.

‘Don’t get me wrong that stuff is nice to have, but with the players we have esp Wemby who is one of the best rebounders in the league, what we really need by far is shooting, so let’s just get a fucking shooter and skip the insanely high priced player!

[Manu&Duncan fan]

‘Don’t get me wrong that stuff is nice to have, but with the players we have esp Wemby who is one of the best rebounders in the league, what we really need by far is shooting, so let’s just get a fucking shooter and skip the insanely high priced player!

If we get Simmons, we're a play-in team at beat. With Lauri, guaranteed top 6 and hare real title hope.

[Mr. Body]

If they wanted a Simons they would have drafted Dillingham.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

If they wanted a Simons they would have drafted Dillingham.

You got it.

Or we may simply sign Walker. This type of non-defense shooters no longer worth much. Look at Gary Trent.

[widowmaker]

Nobody else is coming over.

[BatManu20]

That's fine. Let him destroy their 2024 tank and force them to pedal in mediocrity for years to come. No skin off our nose tbh.

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[John B]

That's fine. Let him destroy their 2024 tank and force them to pedal in mediocrity for years to come. No skin off our nose tbh.

1819367950656184635

LM might say that but he doesn’t know what Ainge could do and what’s the best for the franchise. He’d trade his own mother to get a better chance at drafting lottery pick(s) next year.

[Leetonidas]

That's fine. Let him destroy their 2024 tank and force them to pedal in mediocrity for years to come. No skin off our nose tbh.

1819367950656184635

Feels like this has been a foregone conclusion for awhile now

[spurraider21]

LM might say that but he doesn’t know what Ainge could do and what’s the best for the franchise. He’d trade his own mother to get a better chance at drafting lottery pick(s) next year.
not up to ainge. if lauri renegotiates/extends on august 7 or any day thereafter (as opposed to exactly august 6), he cannot be traded until next offseason

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Feels like this has been a foregone conclusion for awhile now

This. Once it was obvious they weren't getting a godfather offer for him, this made the most sense for all parties.

Enjoy the treadmill Utah. Suck it Ainge.

[CGD]

Feels like this has been a foregone conclusion for awhile now

Yes, since like before the playoffs.

[scott]

My Prediction:

Rumor mill will heat back up and go into overdrive starting this weekend. Warriors, Spurs and some mystery third team will be rumored to have made new godfather offers (we won't be able to confirm this, but most of these "leaks" will be coming from the Jazz FO themselves as they try one last push to get the offer they want). From the 4th to the 6th, this will be the top NBA story.

35% chance he gets traded on the 5th or 6th. 65% chance he renegs and extends with UTA on the 7th.

This thread will add another 20 pages. I'll be responsible for about 4 of them.

Lauri will have a great year. Utah won't be good enough to lose their pick to OKC, but won't be bad enough to get the Top 5 pick they need. Utah fans will simultaneously rejoice another season of avoiding 60 losses while calling for someone to be fired as they add yet another mid-lotto pick who projects as nothing more than a role player. Lauri gets traded next offseason for a fraction of what he would have now. Utah fans cry. Ainge gets a raise.

Why would this "report", including a tidbit about the Warriors not offering enough, emerge now? Hmmm, I wonder.

[exstatic]

The offers will improve if he’s locked in. When he raises and extends will say a lot. If they really want Flagg, they need to trade him. He’s said he doesn’t want to sit out games.

[scott]

The offers will improve if he’s locked in. When he raises and extends will say a lot. If they really want Flagg, they need to trade him. He’s said he doesn’t want to sit out games.

This is definitely the conventional wisdom, but I'm not so sure (but you may very well be correct). I think there has been some shift in thinking on trading for guys on expiring deals (including small deals like Jak to bigger deals for players like OG and Siakam - ironically all trades involving TOR), where there are "assurances" that a deal will be reached at the season so the fact that its an expiring is no longer viewed as a rental or a real risk of losing the player you just traded for.

If the above is true, which is certainly debatable, then there is value to trading for the player ahead of the extension, because you'll have an easier time finding matching salary to go out.

For example, for the Spurs to get Lauri now they only have to send out Keldon or Collins (ignoring for a moment the respective value of those players). If Lauri renegs and extends and can be acquired at the deadline, now they have to send out Keldon AND Collins (which sounds awesome, but again, let's forget the respective value of those players and just assume they are both players we want on our team). This may limit the teams who could be interested, and may limit the amount of draft capital that a team is willing to give up.

Now, if we consider the value of the players going out to match, now the team trading away the player may have to take back bad salary. Does that include more draft compensation? Or does it just have to be accepted that this is part of moving the player? Could go either way. In the case of Utah, trading Lauri post-extension might also limit Ainge's ability to dump Jollins as part of the deal (if he was looking to do so).

In the end, I'm not disagreeing with you... but I think a post-extension trade does complicate things a little bit. Though, teams do seem to find a way to trade for Max Players when they need to.

Just thinking aloud at the variables at play. Personally I'd love to "have to" include Zollins, but how would that change the overall package?

Of course I expect none of this to actually happen... this is all just musings from the doldrums of summer.

[poopbox]

People in here edging to Lauri for weeks now :rollin

[The Truth #6]

With flattened lottery odds, I wouldn't say keeping Laurie is some sort of crazy move on their part in regards to getting Cooper. They still have plenty of flexibility. I hate Ainge historically but it's not like keeping him is crazy.

[exstatic]

With flattened lottery odds, I wouldn't say keeping Laurie is some sort of crazy move on their part in regards to getting Cooper. They still have plenty of flexibility. I hate Ainge historically but it's not like keeping him is crazy.

Crazy is probably too strong, but it does lower their odds. When you want the #1 player, that lowers your odds further. Your odds of winning are about 1/4 of hitting top 4. That’s a thin needle to thread without hard tanking.

[The Truth #6]

It's a fair point. But I guess I've always thought that the best chance for Lori to get traded from Utah is for him to start demanding a trade, which is probably out of character, but that might change the market and expectations for his return. So keeping him and not playing him is probably our best hope for a trade environment.

[Spurs Homer]

So, nothing to show for gifting away the #8 pick…for nothing…

[exstatic]

So, nothing to show for gifting away the #8 pick…for nothing…

Are you like 5? We got an unprotected FRP in 20131 and a #1 protected swap in 2030. That’s not nothing to an actual grown up who understands what the future is, and doesn’t have a tantrum when they don’t get something now. You’re like the little blueberry girl in Willie Wonka. I WANT ITNOW,DADDY!!!

[Spurs Homer]

Are you like 5? We got an unprotected FRP in 20131 and a #1 protected swap in 2030. That’s not nothing to an actual grown up who understands what the future is, and doesn’t have a tantrum when they don’t get something now. You’re like the little blueberry girl in Willie Wonka. I WANT ITNOW,DADDY!!!


so not a fucking thing until 2031

Got it!

[The Truth #6]

They are tanking less each year, but I still don't expect next year to be a playoff team. CP3 obviously isn't tanking but he's old as shit so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I know the team doesn't want to appear to be outwardly trying to lose anymore with Victor understandably not into that s***, they're still looking for that number two star in my opinion, unless Castle or Devin prove to be that.

Going slow. No surprise. Better than the DDR years. I'll roll with it. Sure, wish they were a little less rigid in how they approach certain player types, like I don't think they put much weight into shooters or scores much at all. I'm just speculating, but I imagine they don't see much difference between Dalton Knecht and Riley Minnix or whatever his name is.

Just rambling.

[tonight...you]

so not a fucking thing until 2031

Got it!
Breathe. Lots of time and life will happen.

[onechance87]

Are you like 5? We got an unprotected FRP in 20131 and a #1 protected swap in 2030. That’s not nothing to an actual grown up who understands what the future is, and doesn’t have a tantrum when they don’t get something now. You’re like the little blueberry girl in Willie Wonka. I WANT ITNOW,DADDY!!!

nothing impressive...Those picks can end up being in the late first round.Dont help us at all at the moment.

[Spurs Homer]

nothing impressive...Those picks can end up being in the late first round.Dont help us at all at the moment.

not to mention

spurs had already tanked -

why?

to get high picks!

take a second to let that sink in…
tank tank tank

get wemby and get #4 and #8 in the next draft! Wow- ok this makes sense - we suffered thru mediocrity and get lucky as fuck with wemby PLUS - the very next draft TWO TOP TEN PICKS!

then you gift one of them away TO A RIVAL!

sure man…20 fucking 31 is fine right after we won 20 fucking games

[Manu&Duncan fan]

That's fine. Let him destroy their 2024 tank and force them to pedal in mediocrity for years to come. No skin off our nose tbh.

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This is still pure speculation. I highly doubt Utah is stupid enough to extend him. If they do, their 2025 pick will have a much higher chance of going to Thunders.

Plus, after getting maximum contract, Lauri's trade value won't be any higher than this year. Because of the 2nd Apron, only a few teams have room (or proper players) to trade for Lauri. Out of these few, no team is lack of a 2nd option. Houston needs a 1st option before doing anything else. Thunders already have a 2nd and 3rd option. Maybe Warriors again next summer. But Spurs can outbid them easily again.

So, I stlll have high hopes for this summer. By August 6th, we will know more.

[pad300]

You people need to chill about this. If Markkannen is being traded, it's not gonna happen until after the 6th. Understand the strategic dimensions.
Right now, Danny Ainge is looking for a sucker; some team that will pay him for an all-star player under a long term contract, when Markkannen is currently damaged goods (being on the last year of his contract). Currently, no team is stepping up to be Danny's bitch...
But come the 6th, things change: Markannen can R&E, which clarifies the situation. But Utah has to offer it, and Markkannen has to accept, for Markkannen to not get traded; there are reasons for both parties to not do their part.
Markkannen: he'll get a bag from someone this summer, and then he can control where he ends up (as opposed to ending up wherever gives Utah the biggest return). Also he's personally publicly stated that he doesn't like tanking.
Utah: because Utah ownership doesn't want to pay Markkannen a max and because Markkannen being there is enough to pull the Jazz out of the top 6 or so lottery spots (because there is going to be LOTS of competition for those slots).
If there's no R&E that when the real bidding starts; because Danny Ainge will have to stop pretending that Markkannen won't leave....

[Knoxxx]

Are you like 5? We got an unprotected FRP in 20131 and a #1 protected swap in 2030. That’s not nothing to an actual grown up who understands what the future is, and doesn’t have a tantrum when they don’t get something now. You’re like the little blueberry girl in Willie Wonka. I WANT ITNOW,DADDY!!!

Haha he set off Exstatic instead of one of his casual “pwne jobs.”

[Manu&Duncan fan]

You people need to chill about this. If Markkannen is being traded, it's not gonna happen until after the 6th. Understand the strategic dimensions.
Right now, Danny Ainge is looking for a sucker; some team that will pay him for an all-star player under a long term contract, when Markkannen is currently damaged goods (being on the last year of his contract). Currently, no team is stepping up to be Danny's bitch...
But come the 6th, things change: Markannen can R&E, which clarifies the situation. But Utah has to offer it, and Markkannen has to accept, for Markkannen to not get traded; there are reasons for both parties to not do their part.
Markkannen: he'll get a bag from someone this summer, and then he can control where he ends up (as opposed to ending up wherever gives Utah the biggest return). Also he's personally publicly stated that he doesn't like tanking.
Utah: because Utah ownership doesn't want to pay Markkannen a max and because Markkannen being there is enough to pull the Jazz out of the top 6 or so lottery spots (because there is going to be LOTS of competition for those slots).
If there's no R&E that when the real bidding starts; because Danny Ainge will have to stop pretending that Markkannen won't leave....

I endorse your points! ;)

[exstatic]

nothing impressive...Those picks can end up being in the late first round.Dont help us at all at the moment.

‘At the moment’ is irrelevant. It’s not nothing.

[baseline bum]

With flattened lottery odds, I wouldn't say keeping Laurie is some sort of crazy move on their part in regards to getting Cooper. They still have plenty of flexibility. I hate Ainge historically but it's not like keeping him is crazy.

Where the tanking is valuable is in ensuring your worst case pick is still good. Much better to get #5 in this draft than #7 or #8 probably. Hell I would have been pissed slipping to #7 or #8 in the 2024 draft and missing out on both Castle and Holland.

[baseline bum]

nothing impressive...Those picks can end up being in the late first round.Dont help us at all at the moment.

Seven years ago Kawhi had just taken us to the WCF and had the greatest team in NBA history down 20 on the road in a WCF game and the Spurs looked set for a decade with another franchise player. Just saying, a lot of shit can happen in 7 years and one of or both of the 2031 Minnesota pick and 2031 Sacramento swap could be something big. It would be surprising if neither was a lottery pick.

[scott]

Where the tanking is valuable is in ensuring your worst case pick is still good. Much better to get #5 in this draft than #7 or #8 probably. Hell I would have been pissed slipping to #7 or #8 in the 2024 draft and missing out on both Castle and Holland.

But we probably couldn've have gotten another 20131 pick. You're being too short sighted.

[sfernald]

Yes, at the end of the day if you weren't ready to get bent over by Danny, you weren't ever going to get Markkanen. This is non news. Almost 100 pages in ST of wasted energy, hopes & dreams here.

[scott]

Yes, at the end of the day if you weren't ready to get bent over by Danny, you weren't ever going to get Markkanen. This is non news. Almost 100 pages in ST of wasted energy, hopes & dreams here.

News flash: all of the energy that goes into this message board is wasted. People discussing shit here has zero impact on anything. Cancer isn't being cured by ST.com posts.

[baseline bum]

Yes, at the end of the day if you weren't ready to get bent over by Danny, you weren't ever going to get Markkanen. This is non news. Almost 100 pages in ST of wasted energy, hopes & dreams here.

LOL says the guy who wasted energy advocating for a ridiculous trade where Utah got not only all three of the assets from Atlanta, but even got best of between Spurs/Hawks for 25, 26, and 27.

[sfernald]

LOL says the guy who wasted energy advocating for a ridiculous trade where Utah got not only all three of the assets from Atlanta, but even got best of between Spurs/Hawks for 25, 26, and 27.

Lol, naw I was messing with you guys obviously on that thread you speak of. I haven't wanted this trade for a while now.

[sfernald]

News flash: all of the energy that goes into this message board is wasted. People discussing shit here has zero impact on anything. Cancer isn't being cured by ST.com posts.

With that attitude, lets be realistic, nothing matters. Get a gun son.... PS you have made the argument of someone who just has to always be right btw.

[scott]

With that attitude, lets be realistic, nothing matters. Get a gun son.... PS you have made the argument of someone who just has to always be right btw.

Counterpoint: I can just continue with the past times that entertain me, like I'm currently doing.

[exstatic]

With that attitude, lets be realistic, nothing matters. Get a gun son.... PS you have made the argument of someone who just has to always be right btw.

Because one thing is irrelevant, and ST is, that doesn’t mean everything is.

[sfernald]

Because one thing is irrelevant, and ST is, that doesn’t mean everything is.

Let's skip the existentialism and just talk hoops... Man I'm just disappointed in this off-season. I really thought Spurs would make one more big trade and it's just not looking like it..

[ismael-robert]

Lol, naw I was messing with you guys obviously on that thread you speak of. I haven't wanted this trade for a while now.

Says he was messing then admits at one point he wanted it...fact u actually typed it out all that matters

[John B]

Let's skip the existentialism and just talk hoops... Man I'm just disappointed in this off-season. I really thought Spurs would make one more big trade and it's just not looking like it..

Boy you’re fun to be with in a poker table

[rjv]

Boy you’re fun to be with in a poker table

I can just see his birthday cards to friends and family: “Happy birthday! You’re one year closer to eternal darkness!”

[sfernald]

I can just see his birthday cards to friends and family: “Happy birthday! You’re one year closer to eternal darkness!”

Yeah my mom and dad just died and it has been pretty dark since then. Well honestly I’ve always been kinda emo. You should read my twitter sometime for the feel good lolz

[spurs10]

Yeah my mom and dad just died and it has been pretty dark since then. Well honestly I’ve always been kinda emo. You should read my twitter sometime for the feel good lolz I'm sorry for your loss. Sounds like a tough one losing both parents.

[Pauleta14]

Yeah my mom and dad just died and it has been pretty dark since then. Well honestly I’ve always been kinda emo. You should read my twitter sometime for the feel good lolz

I'm sorry for your loss man.

Stay strong

[ginobilized]

Next 24 hrs should offer some Markkanen insight, right?
Tom Petty said the waiting is the hardest part, he was on to something.

[ismael-robert]

This cat a spur yet

[Kevin]

The deadline is by the end of the day tomorrow. God I hope the Spurs land Lauri.

My best and final offer:

Spurs Get:
Lauri
John Collins

Jazz Get:
Keldon
Zollins
26 ATL pick swap
2030 pick swaps
31 Minny pick
Hornets pick

Jazz get four firsts two of which are home run picks in 26 and 30 picks and the Minny pick counts as a triple. Hornets pick is a gimmick pick but it allows the Jazz to say that they got four firsts for Lauri. The Zollins for Jollins swap saves the Jazz 18M over the next two seasons plus Keldon should have decent trade value during the 2026 tradeline with player salaries going up and up with Keldon's salary going down.

[baseline bum]

The deadline is by the end of the day tomorrow. God I hope the Spurs land Lauri.

My best and final offer:

Spurs Get:
Lauri
John Collins

Jazz Get:
Keldon
Zollins
26 ATL pick swap
2030 pick swaps
31 Minny pick
Hornets pick

Jazz get four firsts two of which are home run picks in 26 and 30 picks and the Minny pick counts as a triple. Hornets pick is a gimmick pick but it allows the Jazz to say that they got four firsts for Lauri. The Zollins for Jollins swap saves the Jazz 18M over the next two seasons plus Keldon should have decent trade value during the 2026 tradeline with player salaries going up and up with Keldon's salary going down.

Huh? You're offering one first, two swaps, two seconds, and crap.

[TrainOfThought5]

Huh? You're offering one first, two swaps, two seconds, and crap.

that is the best they’re going to get.

[spurraider21]

The deadline is by the end of the day tomorrow. God I hope the Spurs land Lauri.

My best and final offer:

Spurs Get:
Lauri
John Collins

Jazz Get:
Keldon
Zollins
26 ATL pick swap
2030 pick swaps
31 Minny pick
Hornets pick

Jazz get four firsts two of which are home run picks in 26 and 30 picks and the Minny pick counts as a triple. Hornets pick is a gimmick pick but it allows the Jazz to say that they got four firsts for Lauri. The Zollins for Jollins swap saves the Jazz 18M over the next two seasons plus Keldon should have decent trade value during the 2026 tradeline with player salaries going up and up with Keldon's salary going down.
you cant trade a pick swap. atlanta only agreed to swap with the spurs, not with the jazz. what you can offer, is to send the spurs 2026 pick (phrased more accurately as "the better of SAS 2026 and ATL 2026 picks" with atlanta retaining the worse of them)

as for 2030, same story. you cant send over just the swap. we only own one pick in 2030, and we'd have to trade that. though that would be phrased as trading "the most favorable of the spurs 2030, mavs 2030, and wolves 2030 (top 1 protected)"

[CGD]

And there it is:

“Jazz star Lauri Markkanen appears likely to delay signing his new extension until after Tuesday so he can ensure that he won’t be traded this season, league sources tell Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports.“

Let’s revisit next summer.

[spurraider21]

And there it is:

“Jazz star Lauri Markkanen appears likely to delay signing his new extension until after Tuesday so he can ensure that he won’t be traded this season, league sources tell Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports.“

Let’s revisit next summer.
could also apply last minute pressure for Utah to trade him now knowing they wont be able to do so at the deadline in a year they will be actively trying to tank

[LeBowen]

could also apply last minute pressure for Utah to trade him now knowing they wont be able to do so at the deadline in a year they will be actively trying to tank

Or more likely, that report is just trying to generate some views by stating the obvious.

He can't extend before tomorrow, but there's no way he extends tomorrow because there's no reason for him to waste half a season if he's getting traded eventually.
If he doesn't extend on 7th, then we'll be able to talk about a potential trade and Ainge will be under more pressure with each passing day Lauri doesn't extend or isn't traded.

[Dex]

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[Mr. Body]

Smack! Ainge runs straight into the median.

[scott]

Ainge is playing 4D chess! Unfortunately for him, everyone else is playing basketball.

[Maddog]

1820474771651657979

They need to sign him
They've lost Luka

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/08/luka-samanic-signs-one-year-contract-with-fenerbahce.html

[rjv]

the 87 pages of this thread are nearing the same level of anti-climatic ending that San Antonians experienced during April's total eclipse.

[widowmaker]

the 87 pages of this thread are nearing the same level of anti-climatic ending that San Antonians experienced during April's total eclipse.


This is a yearly occurrence on spurstalk 100 pages of dudes wanting certain players that are never going to come play here.

[Spur|n|Austin]

the 87 pages of this thread are nearing the same level of anti-climatic ending that San Antonians experienced during April's total eclipse.

LOL - though we've seen far more pages for other pipe dreams.

[baseline bum]

the 87 pages of this thread are nearing the same level of anti-climatic ending that San Antonians experienced during April's total eclipse.

Ugh I'm still pissed I didn't go to Wyoming for the 2017 eclipse. No, it's coming right to my house in 2024. :pctoss

Then my neighbor who I had been telling for the last 5 years to mark this date but never seemed too enthused randomly caught it driving back from Dallas and told me he couldn't believe how amazing it was to see in person like I hadn't been telling him forever about it. :lmao

[rjv]

LOL - though we've seen far more pages for other pipe dreams.

oh, hell yeah, i still remember the luis scola thread. then there was kevin durant, lebron, aldridge (even though he came), CP3 (the first time), pau gasol (the first time), marc gasol, kyrie irving, lebron (lol) and so on.

[Seventyniner]

oh, hell yeah, i still remember the luis scola thread. then there was kevin durant, lebron, aldridge (even though he came), CP3 (the first time), pau gasol (the first time), marc gasol, kyrie irving, lebron (lol) and so on.

1 for 8 is a pretty good hit rate for top tier free agents and trade targets.

I think the Markkanen scenarios generated a lot of good discussion, which is what this site should be all about.

[jeebus]

22 pages about a big fat nothing burger. Never change, ST.

[scott]

1 for 8 is a pretty good hit rate for top tier free agents and trade targets.

I think the Markkanen scenarios generated a lot of good discussion, which is what this site should be all about.

Indeed. The real Markkanen thread is the friends we made along the way.

Who will be the thread subject next offseason? Naz Reid?

[Dex]

Indeed. The real Markkanen thread is the friends we made along the way.

Who will be the thread subject next offseason? Naz Reid?

Durant should be demanding another trade right around then...and Spurs love their washed up vets.

[lefty20]

Durant should be demanding another trade right around then...and Spurs love their washed up vets.

Houston's got first dibs on him. Got those Phx picks locked and loaded just waiting for right moment.

[td4mvp2k]

you had folks in here almost guaranteeing he was a gonna be a spur this summer :lol

[NASpurs]

The real treasure isn't Lauri Markannen or the number of pages in this thread but the friends we made along the way.

[Dex]

Houston's got first dibs on him. Got those Phx picks locked and loaded just waiting for right moment.

Won't stop 30+ pages of "Durant respects Pop because they won a gold medal together" and Keldon suddenly being an All-NBA talent in other team's eyes

[DAF86]

A lot can happen between now and wednesday, tbh.

[exstatic]

Indeed. The real Markkanen thread is the friends we made along the way.

Who will be the thread subject next offseason? Naz Reid?

Lauri Markannen, since he will again be trade eligible.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not surprised.

Ainge tax and Wemby tax turned SA off fast.

[ismael-robert]

Well until he does extend doesn't that mean he's trade eligible? So they're trying to spin it that he's delaying to stay off trade market, but truth could be he doesn't wanna be in Utah and is waiting for them to agree to a deal.

[spurraider21]

Well until he does extend doesn't that mean he's trade eligible? So they're trying to spin it that he's delaying to stay off trade market, but truth could be he doesn't wanna be in Utah and is waiting for them to agree to a deal.
yeah he's trade eligible until he signs the renegotiation/extension. he wont want to sign it exactly tomorrow (doesnt want to be dangled throughout the season), but probably doesnt want to delay it any longer than he has to. get the security, sign the contract.

[exstatic]

Well until he does extend doesn't that mean he's trade eligible? So they're trying to spin it that he's delaying to stay off trade market, but truth could be he doesn't wanna be in Utah and is waiting for them to agree to a deal.

He is. Now we get to see how badly Ainge wants Flagg. Extending LM after tomorrow hurts their chances, since he’s said he doesn’t want to sit games like last year. With him not throttled year before last, Utah finished 9th. That’s pretty crap odds for #1 and Flagg.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

He is. Now we get to see how badly Ainge wants Flagg. Extending LM after tomorrow hurts their chances, since he’s said he doesn’t want to sit games like last year. With him not throttled year before last, Utah finished 9th. That’s pretty crap odds for #1 and Flagg.


PLus, Jazz would have to play him in order to keep his trade value high for next season. So, the next few days and weeks will be interesting. Jazz Management team may very well make a mistake that they will regret life time.

[itzsoweezee]

All the chatter, outside of this board, seems to be focused on the warriors. Are the spurs even that interested? Is this speculation even wilder than we thought?

[ismael-robert]

1 for 8 is a pretty good hit rate for top tier free agents and trade targets.

I think the Markkanen scenarios generated a lot of good discussion, which is what this site should be all about.

Nah, just generated bunch of people wasting valuable, precious time

[gambit1990]

overpay & pull the trigger tbh.

[BatManu20]

Shams confirmed.

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[mo7888]

So Lauri gets the max and can't be traded.... That's the 2nd best scenario for us, so I can't be disappointed. I'm guessing the owner had quite a bit of input on this as he wants to win now. Now I have to wonder if Ainge throws his hands up and trades for more win now guys or goes the middling route banking on a deep upcoming draft?

[LeBowen]

Well, it was a fun ride.
RIP to all of us Lauri fans, but don't worry haters, we'll be back sooner than you think.

[jeebus]

All the chatter, outside of this board, seems to be focused on the warriors. Are the spurs even that interested? Is this speculation even wilder than we thought?



Probably for a few days until they heard what Ainge wanted. Then it was up to the Warriors to overpay, which they almost did. This whole thread was just peak spurstalk.

[Spurs Homer]

so the #8 gifted pick...

was just another spurs fail....

[exstatic]

so the #8 gifted pick...

was just another spurs fail....

You’re a fucking idiot. We traded a top 6 protected pick for an unprotected one, plus a #1 protected swap. Grow up, and learn the concept of delayed gratification. All adults understand that.

[spurraider21]

You’re a fucking idiot. We traded a top 6 protected pick for an unprotected one, plus a #1 protected swap. Grow up, and learn the concept of delayed gratification. All adults understand that.
It wasn’t a top 6 protected pick anymore. It had already conveyed as a #8 overall pick.

[Spurs Homer]

You’re a fucking idiot. We traded a top 6 protected pick for an unprotected one, plus a #1 protected swap. Grow up, and learn the concept of delayed gratification. All adults understand that.


you seem agitated for zero reason…

spurs dropped the ball

i had zero to do with this fuckup

[LeBowen]

You’re a fucking idiot. We traded a top 6 protected pick for an unprotected one, plus a #1 protected swap. Grow up, and learn the concept of delayed gratification. All adults understand that.

For now the trade seems fine.
But if one of those wings that were available at #8 develops into a high end starter, someone in scouting department will have to answer because there's no doubt Spurs would've picked Buzelis or Williams if they thought they were worth it.
They didn't, now we have to wait a year or two to see who made the right call.

[exstatic]

you seem agitated for zero reason…

spurs dropped the ball

i had zero to do with this fuckup
They dropped nothing, except maybe you on your head as a baby,

[MultiTroll]

Why is Marka "untradeable" for the 24-25 season?

Some CBA deal where 1st year of max you have to stay with your team?

[Dex]

Just to make this official:

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[Dex]

Why is Marka "untradeable" for the 24-25 season?

Some CBA deal where 1st year of max you have to stay with your team?



It all comes down to the timing of the extension. If you, a hypothetical NBA player, are extended for two or more additional seasons and receive a salary increase of greater than five percent, you are automatically ineligible to be traded for the next six calendar months.

Let's do some mental math here. Reports that Markkanen would be extended emerged on Tuesday, Aug. 6. Six months from Aug. 6 is Feb. 6, 2025—a date that happens to be the league's trade deadline next season.

https://www.si.com/nba/why-lauri-markkanen-cant-be-traded-in-2024-25-with-new-contract

[widowmaker]

Lol

[onechance87]

So be it.lets go after naz reid or ingram next offseason.Gonna have to overpay,But we need to upgrade,Especially if sochan,vassell and our
other young players dont improve this season.

[scott]

So Lauri gets the max and can't be traded.... That's the 2nd best scenario for us, so I can't be disappointed. I'm guessing the owner had quite a bit of input on this as he wants to win now. Now I have to wonder if Ainge throws his hands up and trades for more win now guys or goes the middling route banking on a deep upcoming draft?

Best case scenario IMO:

Lauri hero balls Utah into the play-in, where they are humiliated. Jazz have their #13 pick go to OKC, who uses it on some injured eastern European who never makes an impact on the league. The Jazz are stuck in mediocrity forever. Lauri demands a trade in two years, but now he's about to be 30 so he can be had for a single FRP. Spurs pick him up at the deadline as a finishing piece. Titles ensue.

[scott]

Also... just pointing out that this is exactly the kind of report that "inside sources" would tell you if you're taking one last gasp at getting your desired trade return.

Anyway, I can't wait to see who emerges as a trade target going forward.

Also looking forward to keeping tabs on the Jazz subreddit when they fail to tank hard enough.

[LeBowen]

So be it.lets go after naz reid or ingram next offseason.Gonna have to overpay,But we need to upgrade,Especially if sochan,vassell and our
other young players dont improve this season.

Hell no to Ingram.
Those Minnesota picks might come in handy because they won't be able to keep both Naz and McDaniels. I expect them to trade McDaniels and keep Naz, unless they find a suitor for KAT.
I'd be happy with returning their pick and swap for McDaniels if he continues improving this season.

[rjv]

Best case scenario IMO:

Lauri hero balls Utah into the play-in, where they are humiliated. Jazz have their #13 pick go to OKC, who uses it on some injured eastern European who never makes an impact on the league. The Jazz are stuck in mediocrity forever. Lauri demands a trade in two years, but now he's about to be 30 so he can be had for a single FRP. Spurs pick him up at the deadline as a finishing piece. Titles ensue.

unless Giannis is ready to leave the Bucks at this same time and the Spurs are on his list of desired landing spots.

[scott]

so the #8 gifted pick...

was just another spurs fail....


You’re a fucking idiot. We traded a top 6 protected pick for an unprotected one, plus a #1 protected swap. Grow up, and learn the concept of delayed gratification. All adults understand that.


It wasn’t a top 6 protected pick anymore. It had already conveyed as a #8 overall pick.

I wish we could discuss the MIN trade in a calm and rational manner around here. There is just too much hyperbole for folks to look at this deal objectively.

Obviously we did not give it away for nothing, but ex's framing of the trade is also purposely misleading, which spurraider points out.

I'll continue to say that the trade in concept was fine, but the return on assets was subpar. It clearly signals a lack of high interest in any of the guys left on the board, which I find stunning and almost cowardly. C'est la vie.

[scott]

Hell no to Ingram.
Those Minnesota picks might come in handy because they won't be able to keep both Naz and McDaniels. I expect them to trade McDaniels and keep Naz, unless they find a suitor for KAT.
I'd be happy with returning their pick and swap for McDaniels if he continues improving this season.

I'm sure there will be some guys who aren't on the radar at all right now who will emerge this season. They always do. We'll just have to roll with it until then.

Unless McDaniels shows some significant, sustainable improvement in his 3P shot, I'm not super excited about him.

[Seventyniner]

I wish we could discuss the MIN trade in a calm and rational manner around here. There is just too much hyperbole for folks to look at this deal objectively.

Obviously we did not give it away for nothing, but ex's framing of the trade is also purposely misleading, which spurraider points out.

I'll continue to say that the trade in concept was fine, but the return on assets was subpar. It clearly signals a lack of high interest in any of the guys left on the board, which I find stunning and almost cowardly. C'est la vie.

It's possible that the Spurs really did make the Dillingham trade with the idea of putting together an attractive package for Markkanen that included giving the Jazz control over the Wolves' draft all the way through 20131, but then couldn't talk Ainge down enough to pull the trigger.

But that probably gives PATFO too much benefit of the doubt.

[scott]

It's possible that the Spurs really did make the Dillingham trade with the idea of putting together an attractive package for Markkanen that included giving the Jazz control over the Wolves' draft all the way through 20131, but then couldn't talk Ainge down enough to pull the trigger.

But that probably gives PATFO too much benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me if they did this move thinking it would better position to make SOME trade this summer (though Chinook's theory that we needed to move off #8 to have room to TRADE FOR CP3 makes sense too). We'll never know.

[Spurs Homer]

They dropped nothing, except maybe you on your head as a baby,

chill the fuck out

neither of us owns this team

[exstatic]

Why is Marka "untradeable" for the 24-25 season?

Some CBA deal where 1st year of max you have to stay with your team?

There’s a six month closed trade window after a raise/extension when they can’t trade him. He is intentionally signing it a day late, so he misses the February trade deadline and can’t be traded until the offseason.

[exstatic]

chill the fuck out

neither of us owns this team

You’re an idiot who keeps parroting that crap that we got nothing when we got an unprotected pick and an additional asset in the form of a swap.

[CGD]

How long until one of you all starts the:

“There is Ingram to the Spurs Buzz” thread?!?

Oh the friendships we’ll make along the way though!

[Spurs Homer]

You’re an idiot who keeps parroting that crap that we got nothing when we got an unprotected pick and an additional asset in the form of a swap.

yeah yeah

”your an idiot”
”dropped on your head”

yeahyeah

the spurs front office sucks for gifting away a #8 pick which this team never ever gets

this has nothing to do with your fragile ego- nothing at all

if i call other people names ( spurs front office) - and YOU react like a little hurt teen

you got issues

[exstatic]

How long until one of you all starts the:

“There is Ingram to the Spurs Buzz” thread?!?

Oh the friendships we’ll make along the way though!
Ingram is the anti-Markannen, an inefficient mid range chucker. We already had that in DeRozan. No need for a rerun,

[exstatic]

yeah yeah

”your an idiot”
”dropped on your head”

yeahyeah

the spurs front office sucks for gifting away a #8 pick which this team never ever gets

this has nothing to do with your fragile ego- nothing at all

if i call other people names ( spurs front office) - and YOU react like a little hurt teen

you got issues

I actually don’t care about front office criticism. It’s all over this board. Outright stupidity like “we got nothing for #8” will get scorched. It’s both stupid and false.

[scott]

How long until one of you all starts the:

“There is Ingram to the Spurs Buzz” thread?!?

Oh the friendships we’ll make along the way though!

Got you fam: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303993&highlight=ingram+buzz

[scott]

Apparently the Jazz are trying to go after Ingram with Lauri figured out. This would be quite the 180 from the direction they should go. I love it. Dig your way deeper into the treadmill!

[Joseph Kony]

Lauri + Ingram = 35 win team

:lol Ainge

[sfernald]

Apparently the Jazz are trying to go after Ingram with Lauri figured out. This would be quite the 180 from the direction they should go. I love it. Dig your way deeper into the treadmill!

Lazy Ingram + no heart Mark would be an amazing pair of max contracts to base their team around. It would guarantee them to lose their 25 draft pick to Okc but probably not quite get them in the play-in. Comfortably the middle dog in the dog centipede.

[z0sa]

Unsurprising developments are unsurprising

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It was always the most logical move for both Lauri and Utah.

[sfernald]

I wish we could discuss the MIN trade in a calm and rational manner around here. There is just too much hyperbole for folks to look at this deal objectively.

Obviously we did not give it away for nothing, but ex's framing of the trade is also purposely misleading, which spurraider points out.

I'll continue to say that the trade in concept was fine, but the return on assets was subpar. It clearly signals a lack of high interest in any of the guys left on the board, which I find stunning and almost cowardly. C'est la vie.

‘We already know for a fact that SPURS scouting dept is kinda shitty at their job (see evidence: most draft picks last few years). I would have taken Buzelas or Cody in a heart beat. I think both of those guys will be very good and would fit perfect on this team. I feel like with all these little trades they do on draft day they outsmart themselves. If they just took the true consensus best guys on the board rather than being clever I think they would do better.

[ginobilized]

Damn, the Marky Markannen dream has died, for now

Magnum B. I. is now the biggest chip on the market

Wake me up when the season starts

[Spurs Homer]

‘We already know for a fact that SPURS scouting dept is kinda shitty at their job (see evidence: most draft picks last few years). I would have taken Buzelas or Cody in a heart beat. I think both of those guys will be very good and would fit perfect on this team. I feel like with all these little trades they do on draft day they outsmart themselves. If they just took the true consensus best guys on the board rather than being clever I think they would do better.


agree

or they could have just kept dilly and developed both castle and dilly while chris paul rehabs his hammies

[KingKev]

90 pages for long term fans to realize they can’t tell coke from pepsi (anybody with half a brain can)

We have Wemby though so GSG!!!

[scott]

‘We already know for a fact that SPURS scouting dept is kinda shitty at their job (see evidence: most draft picks last few years). I would have taken Buzelas or Cody in a heart beat. I think both of those guys will be very good and would fit perfect on this team. I feel like with all these little trades they do on draft day they outsmart themselves. If they just took the true consensus best guys on the board rather than being clever I think they would do better.

Yeah, I was big on the Buz bandwagon and didn't think we'd even have a shot to get him at 8, so passing on him hurt, especially given our glaring need at the wing. I wasn't as big on Cody, but he'll obviously also be one to watch (but lol Jazz). If Buz develops into a 16/7 guy it's gonna sting watching Sochan go out and clank wide open 3s.

[DAF86]

If the Jazz don't resign Markk on wednesday, it might be a sign that they were bluffing and are still looking to trade him. Although, at this point, that scenario seems unlikely.

[TeKu]

‘We already know for a fact that SPURS scouting dept is kinda shitty at their job (see evidence: most draft picks last few years). I would have taken Buzelas or Cody in a heart beat. I think both of those guys will be very good and would fit perfect on this team. I feel like with all these little trades they do on draft day they outsmart themselves. If they just took the true consensus best guys on the board rather than being clever I think they would do better.

If you believe the Spurs scouting is shitty then surely them trading #8 in a weak draft is a good thing??? Consensus best guys?? On whose opinions? Online groupthink consensus has some massive fails as well. We aren't THAT bad at drafting, but maybe the FO also realises (after Primo) we aren't THAT good either, and has a higher bar for converting picks into actual players. Which makes sense for a host of reasons (shift to competing, limited roster spots, tradeability of picks etc).

[TD 21]

:lmao At BSPN, who tried their hardest to pressure/will the Jazz into giving him to their precious frauds for pennies on the dollar (because they're desperate for anything to pretend cash cow Golden Boy is back in championship contention), having their hopes and dreams dashed.

[KingKev]

:lmao At BSPN, who tried their hardest to pressure/will the Jazz into giving him to their precious frauds for pennies on the dollar (because they're desperate for anything to pretend cash cow Golden Boy is back in championship contention), having their hopes and dreams dashed.

You are insufferable

[TD 21]

You are insufferable

:lmao Says the 'roid rage, Craptors fan boy, who hasn't had an insightful post since the first of never.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I was big on the Buz bandwagon and didn't think we'd even have a shot to get him at 8, so passing on him hurt, especially given our glaring need at the wing. I wasn't as big on Cody, but he'll obviously also be one to watch (but lol Jazz). If Buz develops into a 16/7 guy it's gonna sting watching Sochan go out and clank wide open 3s.

To be fair my main worry about Buzelis was that he'd clank wide open threes the same way Sochan does and he shot 21% from the three over 5 summer league games so maybe it's not all on G-League Ignite being a disaster. Still wanted him when I saw him on the board at 8 though; hopefully 20131 becomes something good.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

If the Jazz don't resign Markk on wednesday, it might be a sign that they were bluffing and are still looking to trade him. Although, at this point, that scenario seems unlikely.

Spurs still has time to up their offer a little.

[gambit1990]

at least the warriors didn’t get him :tu

[baseline bum]

Fucking Utah just gonna hand OKC another lottery pick in 2025

[DAF86]

Spurs still has time to up their offer a little.

That's exactly what the Jazz want. I want the Spurs to get Markkanen, but not to overpay.

[poopbox]

Ingram is the anti-Markannen, an inefficient mid range chucker. We already had that in DeRozan. No need for a rerun,

Oh, I thought Ingram was the anti Markannen in that he has actually played in some playoffs games, in which Markannen has never once ever in his 7 year career made the playoffs.

[exstatic]

Oh, I thought Ingram was the anti Markannen in that he has actually played in some playoffs games, in which Markannen has never once ever in his 7 year career made the playoffs.

His teams have been better, but he’s not a franchise guy.. We have that already. We need an efficient second scorer. He isn’t that, either.

[scott]

It's actually kind of fascinating in that Ingram has been the #2 behind Zion in NO, but Zion has yet to play a single playoff game for them.

And Ingram kind of shit the bed the last playoffs, I'm not sure I'd put much stock in that :lol

[The Truth #6]

:lmao Says the 'roid rage, Craptors fan boy, who hasn't had an insightful post since the first of never.

I actually think you have some good insights at times, but the bitter fixation on conspiratorial-esque meta-narratives kind of loses me.

[KobesAchilles]

Oh, I thought Ingram was the anti Markannen in that he has actually played in some playoffs games, in which Markannen has never once ever in his 7 year career made the playoffs.
Proof you didn’t watch last years playoffs. Ingram didn’t even play in one of the games and was benched for playing so shitty. Zion and CJ carried that team

[TD 21]

I actually think you have some good insights at times, but the bitter fixation on conspiratorial-esque meta-narratives kind of loses me.

:lmao If that were true, you, like the rest of the miserable old man brigade who claim to find me so deplorable, wouldn't clearly regularly read and sometimes quote me . . . you'd just do what I generally do when I see your username, which is continue scrolling.

Not sure how mocking unprofessional coverage is "conspiratorial" (or anything I've said is, save the draft lottery) or why it'd bother you, but it is an opinion shared by many.

[spursparker9]

So OKC will benefit from this...

OKC's draft stash is stacked as well

Somehow I have a feeling OKC will cockblock Spurs in the future. Like in during 2012 to 2016

[poopbox]

Proof you didn’t watch last years playoffs. Ingram didn’t even play in one of the games and was benched for playing so shitty. Zion and CJ carried that team

Post his numbers from the Pelicans Suns playoffs series?

Also...post Lauri playoff numbers at all?

[poopbox]

His teams have been better, but he’s not a franchise guy.. We have that already. We need an efficient second scorer. He isn’t that, either.

Lauri has played on 3 basketball teams. Two of them were trying to win. Both of those teams decided to move on from him. Only the team that is rebuilding decided to retain him...so far.

What kind of team are the Spurs? Are they a team trying to win something? Cause if they are I don't see them trying to do it with a player two other teams tried it with and didn't work.

"He would look great next to Victor". Yeah so would almost any player in the league who isn't terrible. If I was 3 inches taller and 3 more inches to my wingspan I'd look great next to Victor to.

Ingram's teams have been better...probably because Ingram is a better player.

Aren't the Jazz actually trying to trade for Ingram :rollin

[sfernald]

If you believe the Spurs scouting is shitty then surely them trading #8 in a weak draft is a good thing??? Consensus best guys?? On whose opinions? Online groupthink consensus has some massive fails as well. We aren't THAT bad at drafting, but maybe the FO also realises (after Primo) we aren't THAT good either, and has a higher bar for converting picks into actual players. Which makes sense for a host of reasons (shift to competing, limited roster spots, tradeability of picks etc).

True considerations but I find it hard to believe they actually doubt themselves. That would be pretty pathetic actually. I hope they have confidence in their picks. Maybe they should hire us here if they are knowingly that weak at it hehe. I can't remember the last time I missed on a prospect!!! lol jk

[exstatic]

So OKC will benefit from this...

OKC's draft stash is stacked as well

Somehow I have a feeling OKC will cockblock Spurs in the future. Like in during 2012 to 2016

That was an older Spurs squad, and we still managed to ring right in the middle of it, and make another Finals.

[The Truth #6]

:lmao If that were true, you, like the rest of the miserable old man brigade who claim to find me so deplorable, wouldn't clearly regularly read and sometimes quote me . . . you'd just do what I generally do when I see your username, which is continue scrolling.

Not sure how mocking unprofessional coverage is "conspiratorial" (or anything I've said is, save the draft lottery) or why it'd bother you, but it is an opinion shared by many.

I didn't say you were deplorable. I said you go off on tangents that I don't think nearly anyone understands, such as your fixation with Toronto, for example.

[BatManu20]

That’s a lot of keesh.

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[BatManu20]

Officially can’t be traded until after next season. Will be interesting to see if his value increases or drops over that time.

Good news is this should keep Utah out of contention for a top-5 pick. Hopefully Lauri balls out and they have a good season. The more teams finishing with more Wins than ATL this season, the better.

[BatManu20]

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[Pauleta14]

That's exactly what the Jazz want. I want the Spurs to get Markkanen, but not to overpay.

Who are we kidding anyway, I mean we all know PATFO's modus operandi, they'll only do a move if it's an "opportunity". Which will never be vs Ainge.

They've never overpaid and can't see them ever doing so.

Even the medias who tried to push the narrative bc of all the Spurs's picks have switched to Warriors or even Kings weeks ago.

[montgod]

Officially can’t be traded until after next season. Will be interesting to see if his value increases or drops over that time.

Good news is this should keep Utah out of contention for a top-5 pick. Hopefully Lauri balls out and they have a good season. The more teams finishing with more Wins than ATL this season, the better.

Yup... heck maybe Utah should trade with ATL again for Trae Young since they are moving towards win now vs later. We can only hope right? lol

[r0drig0lac]

lol

[Chinook]

A team that should hopefully be better than ATL this year that wouldn't have been otherwise.

[Spurs Homer]

Confirmed: Spurs fucked up the only draft ever where the franchise had TWO TOP TEN PICKS

fucking horrible front office

fuck them

[Spurs9]

Glad we didn't get stuck having to pay so much for Chandler Parsons 2.0

[Mr. Body]

That's an incredible amount of money.

Ainge seriously fucked this up.

I don't see much interest in him next summer. People will have moved on. He'll be 28. Teams would have to gut their roster to put together enough salary plus assets to get him, and there wasn't even much of a market for him when the salary match was much easier.

Utah had to either turn left or right on this one and instead ran straight into the wall.