Austin Toros Info

[JuneJive]

So Luka and Tre are done with the G league bubble?

Or will they go back?

[Chinook]

Why is it not announced which players have tested positive? What is the big secret? Other teams have had no problem saying when a player has tested positive and is out.

When are the Spurs projected to play their next game?

It's straight-up illegal for a team to disclose that kind of information. Of course, it can get leaked, or you can see from circumstantial evidence like by those players being ruled out or whatever. But for a team to come straight out and say their player has it as the main authority would be a HIPPA violation. Remember, that Eubanks, Hammond and maybe even KBD likely had COVID earlier this year, but they were never described that way. I would expect the positive Spurs to not ever be named by the team, though we will likely know soon enough.

[exstatic]

Renfro's passing skill is underrated. The dude just finds people.

He was 3rd in assists/game on the Spurs before this game.

[BackHome]

Man that Delaware team is staked Tucker killed us inside all night and Reed was a man among boys grabbing every rebound.

Is Mathis the new Bryan Forbes?

[Ice009]

It's straight-up illegal for a team to disclose that kind of information. Of course, it can get leaked, or you can see from circumstantial evidence like by those players being ruled out or whatever. But for a team to come straight out and say their player has it as the main authority would be a HIPPA violation. Remember, that Eubanks, Hammond and maybe even KBD likely had COVID earlier this year, but they were never described that way. I would expect the positive Spurs to not ever be named by the team, though we will likely know soon enough.

I didn't know any of that. Thanks for explaining. Is that a US thing? I mean, I just saw when players like KAT were out due to Covid, I assumed the team announced that. I guess you can deduce it yourself when you see who isn't playing next game. I didn't realize you were not allowed to announce it.

[exstatic]

I didn't know any of that. Thanks for explaining. Is that a US thing? I mean, I just saw when players like KAT were out due to Covid, I assumed the team announced that. I guess you can deduce it yourself when you see who isn't playing next game. I didn't realize you were not allowed to announce it.

That shit was all leaked. It’ll show up on Twitter feeds like Woj.

[Chinook]

So for those who might be wondering why SA doesn't sign Renfro to a deal right now, a possible explanation could be that the date to start signing 10-day contracts is 02/23, or Tuesday. If they sign a guy right now, that player would get his contract guaranteed before he even gets to play. If tomorrow's game is cancelled (which I believe it is), the Spurs should be able to sign a guy to bolster their short-manned roster in time for their next outing. Depending on who's out, it could well be that Renfro is that guy. But it could be that the missing players are concentrated in SA's front court, and if that's the case, they'll need to sign depth there for at least that first stretch. I hope SA doesn't lose out on a legit prospect (Ren or whomever) because they didn't want to use their last spot earlier. But I also think you can easily make an argument for the added flexibility in terms of being able to make a trade or even sign a buyout candidate (because sometimes guys get bought out who aren't old ring-chasing vets like with Corey Brewer forever ago).

[John B]

I'm watching the replay and they announced Quindarry on the starting PG. I was surprised, but I don't see him.. so

[Dejounte]

So for those who might be wondering why SA doesn't sign Renfro to a deal right now, a possible explanation could be that the date to start signing 10-day contracts is 02/23, or Tuesday. If they sign a guy right now, that player would get his contract guaranteed before he even gets to play. If tomorrow's game is cancelled (which I believe it is), the Spurs should be able to sign a guy to bolster their short-manned roster in time for their next outing. Depending on who's out, it could well be that Renfro is that guy. But it could be that the missing players are concentrated in SA's front court, and if that's the case, they'll need to sign depth there for at least that first stretch. I hope SA doesn't lose out on a legit prospect (Ren or whomever) because they didn't want to use their last spot earlier. But I also think you can easily make an argument for the added flexibility in terms of being able to make a trade or even sign a buyout candidate (because sometimes guys get bought out who aren't old ring-chasing vets like with Corey Brewer forever ago).

Good shit, Chinook!

[Chinook]

I didn't know any of that. Thanks for explaining. Is that a US thing? I mean, I just saw when players like KAT were out due to Covid, I assumed the team announced that. I guess you can deduce it yourself when you see who isn't playing next game. I didn't realize you were not allowed to announce it.

It's not clear where the line is. Like from what I'm reading the NBA announced four Spurs testing positive. I'd have to actually research it to see exactly how that became known, but it would seem to be pretty sketchy. I do think every country has their own standards for that, and even the different leagues have their standards. In the NFL, it was routine to announce a player was out due to COVID protocols, but that didn't only mean testing positive. They had to do it that way, because the league had a special roster exemption for that case, so teams needed to clarify whether they were using that exemption or not.

To a certain extent, you can't completely respect HIPPA on something like this, because you have to be able to inform those in contact-tracing that they need to isolate. That's just for regular folks here. The NBA has other obligations to teams and financial partners, so there's always an incentive to disclose more information. I think they've basically agreed to a shortcut where they announce a player is in protocol and will be out for however long, and the media just announces it as a positive test without the teams actually saying it. Or it'll become common knowledge, and the team won't have to worry about being the ones who disclosed it. I'm betting someone could sue the NBA behind this if the will was there.

[Mr. Body]

HIPAA (note the spelling) is only for health care providers. No one else is required to comply with the law.

The NBA may have other rules in place.

[RC_Drunkford]

I really hope the Spurs look into bringing Renfro over, even if it’s on a 2-way. He looks like a defensive monster and only needs to hit a better 3-point percentage to become an NBA player.

[Chinook]

HIPAA (note the spelling) is only for health care providers. No one else is required to comply with the law.

The NBA may have other rules in place.

Sorry. You're right. That limits on employer disclosure come from the ADA, not from HIPAA/HIPPA

[Dejounte]

I really hope the Spurs look into bringing Renfro over, even if it’s on a 2-way. He looks like a defensive monster and only needs to hit a better 3-point percentage to become an NBA player.

I think they need to let go one of Q and KBD in order to give another two-way contract.

I think the logic behind going the 10 day route is to see how he would fit chemistry wise in the locker room, and if his work ethic is up to par with what they'd expect.

After the ten day contracts, can they sign him with anything other than the two way contract, Chinook ?

[The Truth #6]

Sorry. You're right. That limits on employer disclosure come from the ADA, not from HIPAA/HIPPA

Yeah, sports teams are typically very loose with disclosing players’ health info, HIPAA or not. They aren’t health care providers per se, but they do employ trainers, physical therapists, even a team doctor. So it’s vague to me. Anyway, that’s a rabbit hole. Spurs typically don’t share much info, that may be the biggest reason for the mystery.

[The Truth #6]

Renfro. How does he look compared to Robert Woodard?

[Chinook]

I think they need to let go one of Q and KBD in order to give another two-way contract.

I think the logic behind going the 10 day route is to see how he would fit chemistry wise in the locker room, and if his work ethic is up to par with what they'd expect.

After the ten day contracts, can they sign him with anything other than the two way contract, Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) ?

Yeah, normally, there's a limit to when a team has to have a guy signed to a two-way deal. It's supposed to be a bit after the guarantee/10-day date. So a player getting off two 10-days necessarily can't be signed to a two-way deal. I don't know for sure that it's banned this year though.

The idea behind a 10-day can well be to get a look (since by that time in the season, any other deal is fully guaranteed for the rest of the year), but it can also be to fill a temporary roster need like what could happen with the Spurs next week. They could sign a big to a 10-day to bolster a depleted front-court (hypothetically), while not committing their full contract slot to a guy who'd be the fourth center on a healthy team. After everyone gets back, they could then start giving 10-days to guys like Renfro to develop while still having the salary room to sign them long-term.

[exstatic]

I think they need to let go one of Q and KBD in order to give another two-way contract.

I think the logic behind going the 10 day route is to see how he would fit chemistry wise in the locker room, and if his work ethic is up to par with what they'd expect.

After the ten day contracts, can they sign him with anything other than the two way contract, Chinook ?
We currently have a roster spot open on the big club, so, yes, he can be signed to a minimum contract at the point where it won’t put us in the tax,which should be soon.

[Chinook]

Yeah, sports teams are typically very loose with disclosing players’ health info, HIPAA or not. They aren’t health care providers per se, but they do employ trainers, physical therapists, even a team doctor. So it’s vague to me. Anyway, that’s a rabbit hole. Spurs typically don’t share much info, that may be the biggest reason for the mystery.

Yeah, by the ADA, they shouldn't even report regular injuries. A normal place of work would be liable to trouble if they were like, "Hey everyone, Peter's gonna be walking a big gingerly for the next two weeks. He has a groin injury. Alice in Accounting tore her ACL, so don't expect to see her in the office for the rest of the year." It's not a random convention that no one else does this (in the US at least) -- it's illegal, and if sports didn't have so much money to grease political wheels, we wouldn't know any of those thing about players. That we do makes sense, since so much of the sport economy depends on the health of the players. But it should be cracked down on way more than it usually is, and in a case like with COVID, it looks like they are taking it a bit more seriously.

[Dejounte]

Renfro. How does he look compared to Robert Woodard?

Two completely different players.

One is a big wing, the other is an athletic forward.

Woodard has an arsenal of offensive moves, but he's slower and less explosive than Renfro.

Renfro has better timing on blocks, better verticality, elite athleticism - Excellent lateral speed, vision, his defense is top notch.

Woodard has potential to be an ISO go-to scorer. Reminds me of someone like Caron Butler.

Renfro is a total team player and does all the small things. Reminds me a lot of Draymond Green.

[Chinook]

We currently have a roster spot open on the big club, so, yes, he can be signed to a minimum contract at the point where it won’t put us in the tax,which should be soon.

Poeltl was actually a bro and took a small enough salary in his first season to get SA enough room to sign a rookie-min deal from the beginning of the season. They could've had Ren in the whole time. But by not using the roster spot, they are quickly approaching the time where they could sign any player to a min deal without going into the tax. That gives them options.

[talkspurs]

I think it is part of the players CBA that they have to tell their employer of any injury/sickness. the team then is the employer and can release it.

here is an article I found on it. It deals with NFL but I think I have seen the same thing on NBA before.

https://deadspin.com/do-hipaa-laws-apply-to-athletes-1844195531

[exstatic]

Two completely different players.

One is a big wing, the other is an athletic forward.

Woodard has an arsenal of offensive moves, but he's slower and less explosive than Renfro.

Renfro has better timing on blocks, better verticality, elite athleticism - Excellent lateral speed, vision, his defense is top notch.

Woodard has potential to be an ISO go-to scorer. Reminds me of someone like Caron Butler.

Renfro is a total team player and does all the small things. Reminds me a lot of Draymond Green.

It’s funny, but when someone dropped the analogy of Luka to AK47, the first thing I thought was,no, Renfro is AK47. Blocks, steals, rebounds, assists, and a bit of scoring thrown in. He’s a guy who could legit drop a 5X5, five in each category, in one game. AK did it 3 times, Olajuwon 5 times, and no one else more that once. Spurs to do it were DRob and Ice. Funny you should mention Draymond. He has one.

[Chinook]

I think it is part of the players CBA that they have to tell their employer of any injury/sickness. the team then is the employer and can release it.

here is an article I found on it. It deals with NFL but I think I have seen the same thing on NBA before.

https://deadspin.com/do-hipaa-laws-apply-to-athletes-1844195531

Yeah, but it's more complicated than that too. Like teams can disclose if a player has an injury or a disorder that directly affects their play. But you'll pretty much never hear of a team disclosing something like a mental disorder or really go into any detail about medical issues besides giving the general outline. There was an guard for Tampa Bay who just randomly started missing games and then retired, and to this day, I don't think the team has ever said why. We only know that he ended up deteriorating pretty severely and can't take care of himself anymore. It was a crazy-sad situation, since he was a second-rounder (which for those who don't know is like a mid-lotto pick by NBA standards) who only got to play for two years. That article sort of points out how gray the area really is. It looks like it's illegal for any employer to disclose medical information to the public, but the major US sports organizations have bargained for the players to authorize the teams to release SOME medical info. Given COVID's novelty, I don't know that the CBAs really let the teams disclose it. And given that the default is that disclosure is illegal, teams probably should just not do it.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, by the ADA, they shouldn't even report regular injuries. A normal place of work would be liable to trouble if they were like, "Hey everyone, Peter's gonna be walking a big gingerly for the next two weeks. He has a groin injury. Alice in Accounting tore her ACL, so don't expect to see her in the office for the rest of the year." It's not a random convention that no one else does this (in the US at least) -- it's illegal, and if sports didn't have so much money to grease political wheels, we wouldn't know any of those thing about players. That we do makes sense, since so much of the sport economy depends on the health of the players. But it should be cracked down on way more than it usually is, and in a case like with COVID, it looks like they are taking it a bit more seriously.

Very true.

[The Truth #6]

Two completely different players.

One is a big wing, the other is an athletic forward.

Woodard has an arsenal of offensive moves, but he's slower and less explosive than Renfro.

Renfro has better timing on blocks, better verticality, elite athleticism - Excellent lateral speed, vision, his defense is top notch.

Woodard has potential to be an ISO go-to scorer. Reminds me of someone like Caron Butler.

Renfro is a total team player and does all the small things. Reminds me a lot of Draymond Green.


Thanks! Renfro checks lots of boxes of what we need, what any team needs, really.

[Dejounte]

Thanks! Renfro checks lots of boxes of what we need, what any team needs, really.CLc2w9mHE0Y

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Absolutely a hound on defense.

[cjw]

We currently have a roster spot open on the big club, so, yes, he can be signed to a minimum contract at the point where it won’t put us in the tax,which should be soon.

Beat me to it. They could sign him to a minimum deal I think. There’s currently just over $1 million of luxury tax space and I could be wrong, but think a player with no years of experience is cheaper than that over a full year (and pro-rated if signed now).

Not sure how the incentives work on some of the other contracts and the luxury tax.

[rankingtear]

How is Renfro even close to an NBA contract?

[Dejounte]

How is Renfro even close to an NBA contract?

He's not and that's why I think the realistic way to get him is with a two way contract. IMO, we need to part with KBD.

[The Truth #6]

CLc2w9mHE0Y

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Now play the video and check out the second clip of the compilation.


Absolutely a hound on defense.

I love it. It looks like some of his skills will directly translate. Is offense the concern?

[JuneJive]

As far as I've seen his offensive game is almost non-existent.

Sure, he can dunk and move the ball, but everything else is missing.

[Dejounte]

I love it. It looks like some of his skills will directly translate. Is offense the concern?

He can spot up for 3's, and drive to the basket with a decent first step. Makes the extra pass for an easier shot.

I guess as fans we ask ourselves what we expect from that position. It's fine to have role players on the team. Not everyone has to have breakdown ability or need to be counted on for offense. You only need a couple players for that.

[Dejounte]

As far as I've seen his offensive game is almost non-existent.

Sure, he can dunk and move the ball, but everything else is missing.

Is there more we need from a 4? Every team needs role players. Unless you're very limited like Poeltl, having a player who you can throw lobs to or pass to for a corner 3 has a lot of value for a team.

The athleticism Renfro would provide would unlock a new dimension on the main team. We don't have anyone who can run with our guards.

[rankingtear]

Renfro is in the extreme can't shoot category for a wing 25% career 3pt shooter and 40% free throw shooter.

[Dejounte]

Renfro is in the extreme can't shoot category for a wing 25% career 3pt shooter and 40% free throw shooter.

I mean, maybe we should add context to that? Kind of disingenuous not to. He's attempted barely 1.4 threes on average during his college career and just two free throw attempts average. Of course percentages would look low on very few attempts. I'm not saying I know he'll be a good shooter, but the form looks good (which he said he worked on during his rehab from an ACL tear). He looks like he had a role to play during college and it was one that didn't consist of him shooting a lot of threes.

[Dejounte]

For a guy who didn't go to a prestigious basketball program in college to possess the basketball IQ that he has. Not being coached by someone who is accomplished and knows their X's and O's, not having a top notch training facility... I'm just saying there could be untapped potential there.

[John B]

He's not and that's why I think the realistic way to get him is with a two way contract. IMO, we need to part with KBD.
KBD was a disappointment albeit the limited opportunity, but that Atlanta come back was almost a disaster. Renfro can address Spurs’ need at that size against long athletic SF/PF

[Dejounte]

KBD was a disappointment albeit the limited opportunity, but that Atlanta come back was almost a disaster. Renfro can address Spurs’ need at that size against long athletic SF/PF

I had hope for him starting off, but it looks like he's suffering the DeMarre Carroll syndrome ... Just not quick enough for today's league.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

If Renfro could knock down 3 pointers at a decent rate he would be an excellent 3&D player.

defensively the guy is every damn where!

[John B]

I think Refro leads the GLeague in blocks. How’s his onball defense? Do they have defensive rating for him? How does it translate in the NBA?

[stephen jackson]

i never understood why pop refused to get a athletic big, its mind boggling. i remember going crazy when we got elson:lol

[exstatic]

i never understood why pop refused to get a athletic big, its mind boggling. i remember going crazy when we got elson:lol

Because it take more than athleticism? This kid we’re talking about, Renfro, is athletic, but he also understands the game. Like White, he grew late, not being much more than 5’9” in HS. He then went to JUCO, and a mid major, University of San Francisco. He has a guard’s perspective, and in spite of virtually no other pro level offense, was 3rd on the team in assists. He fills the stat sheet.

[The Truth #6]

Because it take more than athleticism? This kid we’re talking about, Renfro, is athletic, but he also understands the game. Like White, he grew late, not being much more than 5’9” in HS. He then went to JUCO, and a mid major, University of San Francisco. He has a guard’s perspective, and in spite of virtually no other pro level offense, was 3rd on the team in assists. He fills the stat sheet.

I've only been able to see a few highlight clips here and there, mostly of his blocks, but I'm excited to read that people here think he has some BBIQ (something Elson was never accused of) and can actually pass somewhat. If so, that would be great for the second unit.

Is there any reason he hasn't been snatched up already? Has anyone heard any rumors et cetera...

[exstatic]

I've only been able to see a few highlight clips here and there, mostly of his blocks, but I'm excited to read that people here think he has some BBIQ (something Elson was never accused of) and can actually pass somewhat. If so, that would be great for the second unit.

Is there any reason he hasn't been snatched up already? Has anyone heard any rumors et cetera...

He hasn’t been snatched up because of his untypical history.

[Maddog]

He hasn’t been snatched up because of his untypical history.

And he can't shoot, he's 1 for 6 free throws so far

A tad above 40% college.

[exstatic]

And he can't shoot, he's 1 for 6 free throws so far

A tad above 40% college.

Fortunately, we have the greatest shooting coach in the world.

[Maddog]

Fortunately, we have the greatest shooting coach in the world.

I'll admit I haven't watched him shoot, but that may beyond Chip's ability
Is there anything about his shooting stroke that would give a hint of optimism....

[Dejounte]

I'll admit I haven't watched him shoot, but that may beyond Chip's ability
Is there anything about his shooting stroke that would give a hint of optimism....

It's nowhere near Poeltl bad. His lack of shooting is being overstated by people uninformed or people trying to spread exaggerated info. The form looks good and he looks confident shooting it. Knows how to move off-ball too.

[BackHome]

We talking about a player that was not drafted so off course they are things that they will need to work on and for Nate it will be 3 ball and mid rage. But as Dejaunte likes to say he passes the eye test he has legit 6’8 height is a very athletic player meaning he can fly and he is an excellent defender. As far as offense he actually is really good at finding the open man a very smart player as his assist show, and his handles are not bad at all.

This to me shows signs of a perfect project if as Exstatic explained Chip can work some of his magic this kid could be a real steal for us at a position of need. It will be interesting now that Luka and Tre are being pulled from G League will the Spurs start giving him more plays called to see what they really got to work with.

[Maddog]

I may be coming across a bit negative, but am actually intrigued.
Despite the small number of shots, his % are not good

[exstatic]

I may be coming across a bit negative, but am actually intrigued.
Despite the small number of shots, his % are not good

His shot looks OK. It’s not like he’s Lonzo Ball, or one of those other guys with huge hitches in their shots.

[J_Paco]

CLc2w9mHE0Y

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Now play the video and check out the second clip of the compilation.

Absolutely a hound on defense.

He could be the next Derrick Jones Jr. if he plays his cards right and works on his perimeter shot/game. The Spurs have been in desperate need of that type of skillset in forever.

Hope this kid pans out & the team signs him to a main roster or two - way deal soon.

[bluebellmaniac]

Can we request a thread? A Renfro v Franz that gives a comparison of the 2. If you had to only pick 1, which one and why?

[RC_Drunkford]

His shooting % is bad, but it's not like he can't shoot at all. He just has to knock them down consistently. I see Chip fixing that quite easily. If you really want to tighten up our defense get a shotblocking 4, I've always said that. A forward leading the G-League in blocks is quite impressive. From his physical profile he's exactly the type of player you want guarding LeBron and nephew. I really hope they get him on the main team ASAP

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1364204224754679811?s=19

[Dejounte]

At this point, I'm going to expect the worst. What chance was there the Spurs would sign a g-league player that its own fans wanted? Very slim. Likely nothing happens.

[JuneJive]

Renfro is already 24.

Upside is limited. If you want him for his defense and bbiq, fine, but don't oversell his offensive game.

A liability on offense is still a liability.

[Dejounte]

Renfro is already 24.

Upside is limited. If you want him for his defense and bbiq, fine, but don't oversell his offensive game.

A liability on offense is still a liability.

Except you never watched any of these g-league games, but thank you for your contribution. Fucking hate idiots who talk out of their ass.

[JuneJive]

I've watched every game.

What did I say that was wrong?

[Dejounte]

Woodard is straight up being abused out there. Awful game from him so far.

[Dejounte]

Mathis looks like he taped that beard on his face.

[Dejounte]

Good game for Renfro so far, outside of a couple turnovers. He's playing center out there a lot today, and he's driving and kicking the ball. Unfortunately, his teammates have not been making them. Also weird is that he should have three steals right now, but for some reason that last one wasn't credited to anyone (Kaleb was the only one nearby and the steal isn't showing up on his statline). It was clearly a steal.

[Dejounte]

Woodard is an ISO machine. Love his moves and ferocity.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1364253604975116292

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1364250461663019009

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1364255416998375429

How much do we wish we had this on the main team?

[The Truth #6]

Dejounte, thanks for posting these highlights. I wish the team would put some Renfro plays that weren’t just him dunking the ball, but I get it.

[exstatic]

Dejounte, thanks for posting these highlights. I wish the team would put some Renfro plays that weren’t just him dunking the ball, but I get it.

They understand what generates clicks on social media.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1364264447431303171

[rankingtear]

Except you never watched any of these g-league games, but thank you for your contribution. Fucking hate idiots who talk out of their ass.

Haha, cmon man he is the backup center for our g league team relax.

[exstatic]

Haha, cmon man he is the backup center for our g league team relax.

He came thru the same process as Jonathon Simmons, who made it into the NBA.

This kid is legit a jump shot away from the NBA. He does everything else, including being 3rd on the team in assists before Trey and Luka left.

[The Truth #6]

Hopefully, they sign Renfro to a 10-day or whatever is permissible. Without any jumpshot, I can’t see him playing any playoff minutes, but I would love to see him in short bursts and see what he can do.

[John B]

For sure Spurs is thin on the SF/Wing position that Renfro can address. I was hoping that he wouldn't play today and on his way to the big team.

[Dejounte]

For sure Spurs is thin on the SF/Wing position that Renfro can address. I was hoping that he wouldn't play today and on his way to the big team.

IMO, it's not happening at all if it doesn't happen today. Maybe the Spurs look at a vet.

[John B]

IMO, it's not happening at all if it doesn't happen today. Maybe the Spurs look at a vet.
Not signing a player to a 10 day contract could also mean PATFO is optimistic that the rest of the team will be back soon, hopefully just adhering to safety protocol.

[The Truth #6]

For sure Spurs is thin on the SF/Wing position that Renfro can address. I was hoping that he wouldn't play today and on his way to the big team.

Probably focusing on Luka, who is the priority.

[Griz78]

I thought maybe Khyri Thomas was going to get a 10-Day, has NBA experience and hasn't been playing for Austin in awhile. Perhaps injured.

[exstatic]

IMO, it's not happening at all if it doesn't happen today. Maybe the Spurs look at a vet.

I actually see teams waiting to fill roster spots until after the trade deadline.

[Chinook]

I actually see teams waiting to fill roster spots until after the trade deadline.

10-days wouldn't affect that, though. Not only would they run out before then, but that's the kind of contract you waive without a second thought if you need a spot.

[rogcl1]

"Renfro is already 24.

Upside is limited. If you want him for his defense and bbiq, fine, but don't oversell his offensive game.

A liability on offense is still a liability." Said June Jive.

Your response as follows.

Except you never watched any of these g-league games, but thank you for your contribution. Fucking hate idiots who talk out of their ass.

Dude , ease up. Its a message board with people's thouhts and views. Just because you dominate the conversation doesnt make you the all knowing, never to be challenged god of Spurs basketball.

[Dejounte]

"Renfro is already 24.

Upside is limited. If you want him for his defense and bbiq, fine, but don't oversell his offensive game.

A liability on offense is still a liability." Said June Jive.

Your response as follows.


Dude , ease up. Its a message board with people's thouhts and views. Just because you dominate the conversation doesnt make you the all knowing, never to be challenged god of Spurs basketball.

I'm often challenged and I welcome differing opinions. So thanks for that, random guy. It's when people spout lies and have ignorant takes without proper research that ticks me off.

[JuneJive]

I'm often challenged and I welcome differing opinions. So thanks for that, random guy. It's when people spout lies and have ignorant takes without proper research that ticks me off.

Lies? Ignorant takes? Proper research?

You've watched him this season, just like the rest of us.
I think I've been pretty objective in regards to Renfro.
Feel free to pick apart anything I said.

btw fuck you and your high horse.

[rogcl1]

I'm often challenged and I welcome differing opinions. So thanks for that, random guy. It's when people spout lies and have ignorant takes without proper research that ticks me off.

Just like I said . You have to get your little dig in there. Excuse me if I don't have 6400 posts on a message board .

[Dejounte]

Lies? Ignorant takes? Proper research?

You've watched him this season, just like the rest of us.
I think I've been pretty objective in regards to Renfro.
Feel free to pick apart anything I said.

btw fuck you and your high horse.

Nah fuck you and your boyfriend coming to your rescue

[rogcl1]

Nah fuck you and your boyfriend coming to your rescue

LOL dude. Get help.

[Dejounte]

LOL dude. Get help.

Not sure why you feel the need to go back and forth with me. Buzz off, idiot.

[BackHome]

Can’t We All Just Get Along :toast

[RC_Drunkford]

Renfro is 24, Jonathon Simmons was 26 when he joined the main team. I don't get what the problem is. One offseason working on his 3-ball and he should be good to go.

[exstatic]

Renfro is 24, Jonathon Simmons was 26 when he joined the main team. I don't get what the problem is. One offseason working on his 3-ball and he should be good to go.

He literally does everything else on the court other than shoot with accuracy. He created a basket for a teammate off the bounce in the game today. Anyone that equates a questionable shot with ‘no offense’ is on crack.

[rogcl1]

Not sure why you feel the need to go back and forth with me. Buzz off, idiot.

Because its fun. You can initiate the insults but can't even take a little gentle ribbing in return. Actually, I like Renfro. He's a longshot but is an interesting project due of course to his athleticism and length and defensive prowess. His story and path to here and style of play makes you want to root for him to succeed. I think by whatever means is available he is worth taking a chance on to see if his strengths translate to an NBA level..(Replace Diop or 10 day?) However, he is 24 and his clock for development is ticking. Peace dude.

[Dejounte]

Because its fun. You can initiate the insults but can't even take a little gentle ribbing in return. Actually, I like Renfro. He's a longshot but is an interesting project due of course to his athleticism and length and defensive prowess. His story and path to here and style of play makes you want to root for him to succeed. I think by whatever means is available he is worth taking a chance on to see if his strengths translate to an NBA level..(Replace Diop or 10 day?) However, he is 24 and his clock for development is ticking. Peace dude.

I like Renfro too and on the contrary of what people may believe from my constant support for him, I would be quick to move on and I welcome the reality that he may not be what the Spurs are looking for. His game is 'fresh air' considering what we've seen from the main team for years. I'm one to always root for the underdog, the diamond in the rough, the not-so-obvious needle in the hay sack type player. It's what made me love the Spurs in the first place, and I want to see them do it again with Renfro. And I'd readily admit there's also that self-fulfilment too, when as a fan, you set your eyes on someone before anyone else and end up being right about them. I take joy in that, and I'm definitely wrong a lot of times, but when I latch onto someone I truly believe will be good, you best believe I'm going to want to hear legitimate, well-researched arguments why they won't make it. To me, that's what being a fan is all about.

[JuneJive]

The strain on the offense with a non-shooter in the lineup cannot be ignored.

Sure, he does other things well, and with his smarts he can find useful ways to contribute but in the end he's a liability if he is without that crucial skill.

Of course, he can improve and I wish him the best, but as he stands and imho, projects, I don't see a roster-worthy player.

[exstatic]

The strain on the offense with a non-shooter in the lineup cannot be ignored.

Sure, he does other things well, and with his smarts he can find useful ways to contribute but in the end he's a liability if he is without that crucial skill.

Of course, he can improve and I wish him the best, but as he stands and imho, projects, I don't see a roster-worthy player.

We play every night with a non shooter in the starting lineup.

[rogcl1]

I like Renfro too and on the contrary of what people may believe from my constant support for him, I would be quick to move on and I welcome the reality that he may not be what the Spurs are looking for. His game is 'fresh air' considering what we've seen from the main team for years. I'm one to always root for the underdog, the diamond in the rough, the not-so-obvious needle in the hay sack type player. It's what made me love the Spurs in the first place, and I want to see them do it again with Renfro. And I'd readily admit there's also that self-fulfilment too, when as a fan, you set your eyes on someone before anyone else and end up being right about them. I take joy in that, and I'm definitely wrong a lot of times, but when I latch onto someone I truly believe will be good, you best believe I'm going to want to hear legitimate, well-researched arguments why they won't make it. To me, that's what being a fan is all about.

Like I said, I'd like to see them take a short term flyer on him in some way to see if his strengths translate to the NBA in some way. Off season could focus on other areas. The kid wants to succeed. I personally believe that Diop is wasted space or perhaps a 10 day to initiate the process of NBA level evaluation and go forward one way or another from there.
The whole farm club thing has obviously opened up a world of opportunities for guys like Renfro and creates much interest for the fans to boot. I started watching the Spurs in an empty arena in 1973 and then enjoyed the Gervin, Silas , and Kenon years followed by Alfredrick Hughes, Loyd Daniels and later Walter Berry and then being rewarded with the title runs. You pretty much got what you saw on the court then so this G league thing is great for all of us to find that success story that doesn't follow the traditional path. He is an energy guy and there is a place for that on any team. I hope he gets a chance to see if his strengths translate.

[tonight...you]

Nah fuck you and your boyfriend coming to your rescue
Sometimes you're a great poster, sometimes you're a crap poster.
Ah well. I'll take what I can get around these parts.

[rogcl1]

The strain on the offense with a non-shooter in the lineup cannot be ignored.

Sure, he does other things well, and with his smarts he can find useful ways to contribute but in the end he's a liability if he is without that crucial skill.

Of course, he can improve and I wish him the best, but as he stands and imho, projects, I don't see a roster-worthy player.

There is a place for an athletic, instinctive, energy guy on any team. Minutes might be limited by situations and surrounding players but thats part of the equation. We've had a couple that could shoot but couldn't guard a fence post and where did that get us. Instincts and athleticism have benefits. I think there is some dead weight on the roster and would like to see him get a chance and go from there.

[JuneJive]

We play every night with a non shooter in the starting lineup.

Which gets you the #20 offense in the league.

If that isn't a strain on offense, I don't know what is.

[rogcl1]

Sometimes you're a great poster, sometimes you're a crap poster.
Ah well. I'll take what I can get around these parts.

Well said.

[rogcl1]

Which gets you the #20 offense in the league.

If that isn't a strain on offense, I don't know what is.

Poeltl may not be ideal but I don.t believe he is the sole reason for any offensive shortcomings. There are other inconsistencies. He sets screens and has improved on rolls and around the basket. Obviously he can't be paired with other non shooters. And there is the other side of the ball called defense. Don't get me wrong , I think he would be an ideal backup or situational big but Tim Duncan or David Robinson isn't walking onto the court anytime soon.

[JuneJive]

I think there is some dead weight on the roster and would like to see him get a chance and go from there.

I agree that there are some spots to be had.
His strengths can be accentuated in the right setting, Spurs being one of them, but I'd rather see a talent with no gaping holes being developed.

[rogcl1]

I agree that there are some spots to be had.
His strengths can be accentuated in the right setting, Spurs being one of them, but I'd rather see a talent with no gaping holes being developed.

That's why its a developmental league. All of these guys are lacking either in athleticism, instincts, offensive or defensive skills. He has instincts and athleticism and you cant teach those. Hopefully his shooting skills can be developed. Enough, I've used up months of posting quotas.

[BackHome]

I see points to both arguments but Lord knows I would love more players on this team that can play defense and also produce on offense but you roll with what ya got. As far as Nate I like the underdogs when watching the G League and he just leaps out as a Spurs type of player I think with the right training and coaching he would fit in nicely with our rebuild.

But in future I think this would be an interesting line up:

PG. White
SG. Murray
SF. Keldon
PF. Nate
C. Luka

[Atl Spur]

Nate is worth a looksie.....

[Chinook]

Like I mean, I'd be happy if Renfro did well on a 10-day, but I think folks should be willing to adjust their expectations for how well his defense could translate. Like maybe he would come in and be a dynamo. If the Spurs sign him, I'd hope so. But he could also be a guy whose struggles will just be magnified. He might not get the touches to do any of the good offense and will have his lack of shooting exposed, and his aggressive nature might make him more foul-prone than impactful. Could happen. Certainly bringing a guy like Simmons, who was a bad basketball player in the NBA from wire to wire, doesn't really lead to some of the projections we're seeing. He'd have to be way better than Simmons to help the Spurs.

[John B]

Any news if Spurs are signing anyone on a 10-day contract? At this point if they haven’t, is it optimistic to note that the rest will be joining soon hopefully by Sat against Pelicans? Or that they will use that spot on a Vet that they they think will be waived?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

The last page.

Judas Priest


LMAO

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1364426407183601667?s=19

It begins...

[mo7888]

Last night on a loss-

Renfro 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals
Woodard 25 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals

[exstatic]

Last night on a loss-

Renfro 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals
Woodard 25 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals

Woodard has been pretty awful on defense, is basically a clone of Keldon on offense, and most importantly, is a Sacramento King.

[talkspurs]

One thing I have not seen mentioned is that whoever brought the covid to the Spurs not only hurt their chances of making the playoffs but also hurt these Spurs chances of contending for a title. They will be an easier out if Luka and Tre are not on the team. It may only be a Gleague title but it would have given them experience in higher stakes games as well.

[John B]

Last night on a loss-

Renfro 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals
Woodard 25 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals

What no block shot for Renfro last night?

[exstatic]

One thing I have not seen mentioned is that whoever brought the covid to the Spurs not only hurt their chances of making the playoffs but also hurt these Spurs chances of contending for a title. They will be an easier out if Luka and Tre are not on the team. It may only be a Gleague title but it would have given them experience in higher stakes games as well.

It’s unlikely that the baby Spurs would have won an Eight team single elimination tournament, even with Tre and Luka. All I wanted was for them to beat those pampered Divas on The Ignite in the last game.

[talkspurs]

It’s unlikely that the baby Spurs would have won an Eight team single elimination tournament, even with Tre and Luka. All I wanted was for them to beat those pampered Divas on The Ignite in the last game.

Why do you say that? They had only lost one game and I believe were in 2nd place.

[exstatic]

Why do you say that? They had only lost one game and I believe were in 2nd place.

They also came back from double digits almost every time they won. Tournament play would be more intense and focused, and their charmed run would have ended. It’s a single elimination tournament, and I think they would have dropped a game. They just played with fire too many times. It’s not like they were dominant sitting at 6-1.

[John B]

They also came back from double digits almost every time they won. Tournament play would be more intense and focused, and their charmed run would have ended. It’s a single elimination tournament, and I think they would have dropped a game. They just played with fire too many times. It’s not like they were dominant sitting at 6-1.
But unlike the regular NBA, in GLeague they try to showcase every player, while trying to be in striking distance. And still the Spurs were able to come back and win them. I think the style for 48 minutes changes in the playoffs.

[mo7888]

Woodard has been pretty awful on defense, is basically a clone of Keldon on offense, and most importantly, is a Sacramento King.

He is a King and D has been bad...but it was a strength coming in and will be again at some point when he isn't a focal point on the offense anymore.

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[ace3g]

Chicago Bulls


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[GAustex]

Looks like a linebacker

[Dejounte]

Both Michigan and Austin Spurs game start at 6PM tonight... hmm which one to watch

[Dejounte]

Looks like Jonathan Kasibabu is playing tonight. The guy the Austin Spurs drafted in the first round. Don't know why he's just joining the team now...

[Dejounte]

So this Kasibabu guy... they're playing him at C. Wide body, undersized C reminds me of Dejuan Blair.

[Dejounte]

Ugly basketball... What a difference Luka + Tre make on this team.

[ace3g]

https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs




Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Kelley C
7
1-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-7
2


R. Woodard II G
13
1-10

0-3
0-0
2
5
7
0
0
0
0
0
-21
2

[ace3g]

Halftime

ESPN+
1
2
3
4
T


AUS
19
23


42


IWA
35
24


59




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Kelley C
7
1-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-4
2


R. Woodard II G
18
1-12
0-3
0-0
2
7
9
0
0
0
0
0
-22
2


K. Williams G
16
2-9
1-4
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
1
-24
5


G. Robinson Jr. G
10
0-2
0-0
0-0
1
0
1
2
1
0
4
3
-14
0


C. Reynolds G
16
6-13
1-7
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
1
1
2
-15
13


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


N. Renfro F
14
0-1
0-0
0-0
2
5
7
0
0
0
1
2
-2
0


J. Kasibabu F
10
2-4
0-1
0-0
1
0
1
0
0
0
1
4
-15
4


K. Johnson G
10
1-1
0-0
1-2
1
3
4
0
0
0
1
0
+9
4


A. Mathis G
18
4-9
2-7
2-2
1
3
4
4
0
0
1
2
-1
12


A. Mokoka F
Has not entered game


K. Thomas G
Has not entered game


TEAM

17-52
4-22
3-4
8
22
30
7
1
1
9
14

42




32.7%
18.2%
75.0%

[ace3g]

2:56 - 3rd

ESPN+
1
2
3
4
T


AUS
19
23
21

63


IWA
35
24
19

78

[ace3g]

10:45 - 4th

ESPN+
1
2
3
4
T


AUS
19
23
30
5
77


IWA
35
24
28
0
87

[ace3g]

0:08 - 4th

ESPN+
1
2
3
4
T


AUS
19
23
30
30
102


IWA
35
24
28
15
102

[ace3g]

I guess Spurs hit a 3 to tie and then won a review challenge, get a chance at last shot.

[ace3g]

Mathis wide open at top of key 3, air balls...

Going to OT

[Dejounte]

I guess Spurs hit a 3 to tie and then won a review challenge, get a chance at last shot.

Yup, and then Mathis blew it. I hate that kid.

[ace3g]

Spurs get the win after being down 23

Final/OT

ESPN+
1
2
3
4
OT
T


AUS
19
23
30
30
6
108


IWA
35
24
28
15
2
104




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Kelley C
11
1-2
0-0
1-1
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
1
-5
4


R. Woodard II G
39
9-26
2-7
4-5
6
11
17
0
3
0
3
0
+0
28


K. Williams G
34
5-15
1-5
2-2
0
5
5
0
1
0
1
2
-22
15


G. Robinson Jr. G
28
3-9
0-0
0-0
1
5
6
6
1
0
5
4
+2
6


C. Reynolds G
38
9-22
1-9
3-3
1
3
4
4
1
1
2
4
+8
23


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


N. Renfro F
31
0-2
0-0
0-0
2
7
9
0
1
1
1
4
+16
0


J. Kasibabu F
13
3-5
0-1
0-0
1
0
1
0
0
1
1
5
-14
6


K. Johnson G
18
2-3
0-0
1-2
2
3
5
0
0
0
1
1
+8
6


A. Mathis G
36
7-16
4-12
2-2
1
6
7
5
1
0
2
5
+19
20


A. Mokoka F
Has not entered game


K. Thomas G
Has not entered game


TEAM

39-100
8-34
13-15
14
40
54
16
8
4
16
26

108




39.0%
23.5%
86.7%

[John B]

Wow that was a crazy win, down by 23 and rallied to win by 4 in OT.

[Dejounte]

Wow that was a crazy win, down by 23 and rallied to win by 4 in OT.

Led by Woodard. This kid really can't get any minutes on the Kings' big club? Hate to keep mentioning him since he's not a Spur and he'll probably never be a Spur for at least 8 years.

[BackHome]

​Damn Woodard 28 pts to go with 17 rebounds pretty damn impressive

[mo7888]

Led by Woodard. This kid really can't get any minutes on the Kings' big club? Hate to keep mentioning him since he's not a Spur and he'll probably never be a Spur for at least 8 years.

The Kings have no idea how to use him and they are his biggest hurdle between here are becoming a nba starting caliber player.

[John B]

Led by Woodard. This kid really can't get any minutes on the Kings' big club? Hate to keep mentioning him since he's not a Spur and he'll probably never be a Spur for at least 8 years.

Cam Reynolds is not bad either. He has such a smooth release, not as athletic as Renfro but fills-up the stat sheet as well, and can hit the 3.

[exstatic]

Led by Woodard. This kid really can't get any minutes on the Kings' big club? Hate to keep mentioning him since he's not a Spur and he'll probably never be a Spur for at least 8 years.

Although he’s producing in the Gubble when asked, he’s really just a poor man’s Keldon.

[mo7888]

Although he’s producing in the Gubble when asked, he’s really just a poor man’s Keldon.

If he stays with the kings it's possible...but comparatively speaking, Woodard has more upside talentwise.... will he have Keldons tenacity and will? I don't know but that will be the thing that determines who ends up being the better player.

[exstatic]

If he stays with the kings it's possible...but comparatively speaking, Woodard has more upside talentwise.... will he have Keldons tenacity and will? I don't know but that will be the thing that determines who ends up being the better player.

I don’t see it. Not at all. How do you see a second rounder having more upside than a should have been lottery pick who’s already producing well at the nba level?

[mo7888]

I don’t see it. Not at all. How do you see a second rounder having more upside than a should have been lottery pick who’s already producing well at the nba level?

Simply because I see the talent... I saw how he developed from high school (when he didn't look like a mediocre college player) into a 40% 3 pt shooter in his 2nd year of college... I saw how scouts loved his defensive potential. His 7'2" wingspan and athleticism in a man's body.

As for comparisons with Keldon... Woodard has better measurables and a better form on his shot. He is just as physically strong. What I don't know is if he has the dog in him that Keldon does, so I'm not projecting him as a better pro yet, I'm just saying tbe potential is there. As for the G league, he's not playing the role I expect him to play in the big league. Here he's having to initiate his scoring and there's not much focus on defense. His path should be similar to kawhi's (not that he's that player..I'm talking about his role early in his career). He should focus on Defense and shooting 3's for the next year and then start adding to his game after that. If Sacto has him focusing on scoring like he is in the G league early and there's no attention to D he'll never reach his full potential.

So in short, no he's not Keldon now (and may never be) but he has the tools to be better if he has the mentality and work ethic to reach it.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1365395721302769665?s=19

Apparently Kylor has been so bad that he's been replaced by Renfro as the starting C

[John B]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1365395721302769665?s=19

Apparently Kylor has been so bad that he's been replaced by Renfro as the starting C
Kylor really disappointed me. What do you think of Reynolds? He has such a smooth scoring game, and a long SF also

[ace3g]

6:23 - 1st

ESPN+
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OKL
8



8


AUS
22



22




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


N. Renfro F
5
1-2
1-1
0-0
0
1
1
3
0
0
0
0
+14
3


R. Woodard II G
6
1-3
1-2
0-0
1
3
4
0
0
0
1
0
+14
3


K. Thomas G
5
4-4
3-3
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
+14
11


G. Robinson Jr. G
5
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
3
1
0
0
0
+14
0


C. Reynolds G
5
2-3
1-1
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
0
0
0
+14
5


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Kelley C
Has not entered game


A. Mokoka F
Has not entered game


J. Kasibabu F
Has not entered game


K. Johnson G
Has not entered game


K. Williams G
Has not entered game


A. Mathis G
Has not entered game


L. Perrantes G
Has not entered game


TEAM

8-13
6-7
0-0
1
6
7
8
1
1
1
2

22




61.5%
85.7%
0.0%

[Dejounte]

Kylor really disappointed me. What do you think of Reynolds? He has such a smooth scoring game, and a long SF also

I don't know if I would call Cam "long" but yeah, I don't think he's bad. He's got a scorer mentality and one wonders if it had been him taking up Lonnie's minutes that we'd have a better record. He doesn't hesitate to shoot, in fact, a little selfish at times. He's got a natural feel for shooting, from anywhere on the court. He would make an adequate bench piece in the NBA, but I wouldn't say his potential is through the roof or anything.

[Dejounte]

Kylor not playing is the key to winning lmao

[John B]

Matthis is not afraid to shoot.

[ace3g]

End of 1st

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23



23


AUS
38



38

[Dejounte]

This broadcaster has no idea what #7's name is lmao

[John B]

OKC has some big players in there :lol

[John B]

I don't know if I would call Cam "long" but yeah, I don't think he's bad. He's got a scorer mentality and one wonders if it had been him taking up Lonnie's minutes that we'd have a better record. He doesn't hesitate to shoot, in fact, a little selfish at times. He's got a natural feel for shooting, from anywhere on the court. He would make an adequate bench piece in the NBA, but I wouldn't say his potential is through the roof or anything.
6'8 with 7'1 wingspan who can shoot

[ace3g]

2:29 - 2nd

ESPN+
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4
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OKL
23
15


38


AUS
38
19


57

[ace3g]

Halftime

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3
4
T


OKL
23
21


44


AUS
38
23


61




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


N. Renfro F
17
2-5
1-3
0-0
0
3
3
8
1
1
0
3
+19
5


G. Robinson Jr. G
12
1-2
0-0
0-0
1
1
2
5
1
0
0
2
+22
2


R. Woodard II G
14
2-4
2-3
0-0
1
7
8
1
0
0
1
1
+9
6


K. Thomas G
13
5-8
3-4
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
1
1
1
+23
13


C. Reynolds G
14
3-9
1-5
0-0
0
1
1
1
0
0
0
0
+9
7


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


J. Kasibabu F
8
1-2
0-0
0-1
1
1
2
2
0
0
1
1
+2
2


K. Johnson G
6
2-2
0-0
1-1
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
0
+1
5


L. Perrantes G
12
2-3
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
2
0
0
1
1
-3
4


K. Williams G
12
3-9
1-4
0-1
3
5
8
2
2
0
0
0
+8
7


A. Mathis G
12
4-10
2-6
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
1
0
+3
10


K. Kelley C
Has not entered game


A. Mokoka F
Has not entered game


TEAM

25-54
10-25
1-3
6
24
30
22
4
2
5
9

61




47.2%
41.7%
33.3%

[Dejounte]

6'8 with 7'1 wingspan who can shoot
Oh weird. His size looks deceptive then. I didn't think he looked that long.

[ace3g]

10:11 - 3rd

ESPN+
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3
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T


OKL
23
21
2

46


AUS
38
23
7

68

[Dejounte]

Renfro with 9 assists already and it's only the start of 3rd quarter.

He had a nice assist just now

[ace3g]

6:37 - 3rd

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T


OKL
23
21
12

56


AUS
38
23
19

80




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


N. Renfro F
19
2-5
1-3
0-0
0
3
3
9
1
1
0
4
+20
5


R. Woodard II G
19
5-8
3-5
1-2
1
9
10
2
2
0
1
2
+16
15


K. Thomas G
13
5-8
3-4
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
1
1
1
+21
13


G. Robinson Jr. G
16
1-2
0-0
0-0
1
1
2
5
2
0
0
2
+28
2


C. Reynolds G
18
3-10
1-5
0-0
0
1
1
1
0
0
0
0
+15
7


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


J. Kasibabu F
12
2-3
0-0
0-1
1
1
2
2
0
0
2
1
+6
4


K. Johnson G
6
2-2
0-0
1-1
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
0
-1
5


L. Perrantes G
13
3-5
1-1
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
0
1
1
-4
7


K. Williams G
17
5-11
2-5
0-1
3
5
8
3
1
0
0
0
+15
12


A. Mathis G
13
4-10
2-6
0-0
0
2
2
2
1
0
1
0
+4
10


K. Kelley C
Has not entered game


A. Mokoka F
Has not entered game


TEAM

32-64
13-29
2-5
6
27
33
27
6
2
6
11

80




49.2%
42.9%
40.0%

[ace3g]

End of 3rd

ESPN+
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3
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T


OKL
23
21
33

77


AUS
38
23
30

91

[ace3g]

Spurs might give up a big lead this time

8:39 - 4th

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2
3
4
T


OKL
23
21
33
12
89


AUS
38
23
30
4
95

[ace3g]

3:43 - 4th

ESPN+
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2
3
4
T


OKL
23
21
33
19
96


AUS
38
23
30
12
103

[ace3g]

1:41 - 4th

ESPN+
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2
3
4
T


OKL
23
21
33
29
106


AUS
38
23
30
14
105


`

[ace3g]

0:06 - 4th

ESPN+
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3
4
T


OKL
23
21
33
29
106


AUS
38
23
30
18
109

[ace3g]

Final


1
2
3
4
T


OKL
23
21
33
29
106


AUS
38
23
30
18
109




https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


N. RenfroF
26
2-6
1-4
1-1
1
3
4
10
1
1
1
4
+11
7


R. Woodard IIG
34
5-11
3-6
2-3
1
11
12
3
1
0
2
2
-4
17


K. ThomasG
13
5-8
3-4
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
1
1
1
+21
13


G. Robinson Jr.G
27
3-6
0-1
0-2
1
1
2
7
2
0
0
2
+18
6


C. ReynoldsG
32
5-19
3-8
0-0
2
2
4
3
0
1
1
1
-1
13


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


J. KasibabuF
18
4-6
1-1
0-2
1
1
2
4
0
0
1
4
+1
9


K. JohnsonG
11
3-3
0-0
1-1
1
2
3
0
0
0
0
0
-8
7


L. PerrantesG
22
4-8
1-3
0-0
0
1
1
4
0
0
2
1
-17
9


K. WilliamsG
28
6-13
2-5
0-1
4
8
12
3
3
0
1
0
+7
14


A. MathisG
28
5-16
2-9
1-1
0
5
5
2
1
0
1
1
-13
14


K. KelleyC
DNP-COACH'S DECISION


A. MokokaF
DNP-COACH'S DECISION


TEAM

42-96
16-41
5-11
11
36
47
37
8
3
10
16

109




43.8%
39.0%
45.5%

[John B]

Haha they almost gave that away

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHaVHK-r-Ls

[RC_Drunkford]

Man the way Renfro is hitting cutters with bounce passes is incredible. He could really be a Draymond Green type player.

[BackHome]

Yeah his passing has really caught my eye he just is so aware of what is going on the court and just makes Really Good reads a very smart Basketball player.

[Seventyniner]

Yeah his passing has really caught my eye he just is so aware of what is going on the court and just makes Really Good reads a very smart Basketball player.

Weakside shot-blocking specialists usually have good court vision on defense. Having it on offense too is a rare thing. If he can become even a passable three-point shooter he would easily carve out a rotation spot in the big league.

[BackHome]

Totally Agree:

Super Athletic - Check
Shot Blocker - Check
Basketball IQ - Check
Good Defender - Check
Work Ethic - Check
Good Hands - Check
Above Rim Player - Check
Outside Shoot - No - but it's possible nothing to bad on his shot selection or mechanics

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Hopefully the team takes notice in Renfro and tries to keep him around. Work on that shot and he might get run in the NBA

[LCM]

Renfro needs to get two consecutive 10 day contracts, Q gets released, Renfro gets the two-way contract. Returns next year on a minimum multi year contract or 2nd two-way contract before the multi year contract. Renfro needs to be signed and secured as soon as possible! With 7 B2B games the big club will face the second half of the season, Nate Renfro would be a valuable bench player!

[BackHome]

Yeah with White, Tre, Dj we really don't need Q but definitely need help at the 4 spot.

[Uriel]

Great win. Makes that OKC loss hurt even more.

[ace3g]

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[BackHome]

Well bad for Austin good for Nate he will get more minutes time to shine the life you want is literally in your hands.

[ace3g]

0:51 - 1st

ESPN+
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LIN
25



25


AUS
17



17

[ace3g]

5 straight for Reynolds

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1366844077057179651

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1366850609891201027

[ace3g]

End of 3rd

ESPN+
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2
3
4
T


LIN
25
20
23

68


AUS
18
29
35

82



https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


A. Mokoka F
20
4-9
2-6
0-0
2
4
6
3
0
1
3
2
-5
10


N. Renfro F
20
0-0
0-0
0-1
0
2
2
6
1
2
2
1
+13
0


K. Thomas G
12
4-10
0-1
0-0
0
2
2
0
1
0
0
0
-1
8


G. Robinson Jr. G
20
4-8
0-1
0-1
1
1
2
4
1
0
1
0
-2
8


C. Reynolds G
19
4-9
2-4
1-1
3
3
6
2
0
0
1
1
+7
13


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Kelley C
1
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
+1
0


J. Kasibabu F
15
0-0
0-0
1-1
2
3
5
0
0
1
0
3
+0
2


K. Williams G
17
5-8
5-8
0-1
0
5
5
1
0
0
2
0
+21
15


A. Mathis G
20
3-7
3-6
1-2
0
2
2
0
0
0
4
1
+15
10


K. Johnson G
17
3-5
0-1
2-3
3
5
8
1
1
0
0
0
+7
10


L. Perrantes G
19
2-8
2-6
0-0
0
3
3
7
2
0
0
1
+14
6


TEAM

29-65
14-33
5-10
11
31
42
24
6
4
13
9

82




44.6%
42.4%
50.0%

[ace3g]

Spurs of Austin getting revenge against the Nets

2:50 - 4th

ESPN+
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2
3
4
T


LIN
25
20
23
11
79


AUS
18
29
35
17
99

[ace3g]

Final

ESPN+
1
2
3
4
T


LIN
25
20
23
20
88


AUS
18
29
35
20
102



https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


A. Mokoka F
26
4-10
2-6
0-0
2
4
6
5
1
1
3
2
-3
10


N. Renfro F
24
0-0
0-0
0-1
1
2
3
6
1
2
2
1
+11
0


K. Thomas G
12
4-10
0-1
0-0
0
2
2
0
1
0
0
0
-1
8


G. Robinson Jr. G
28
6-12
0-1
1-2
1
1
2
5
1
0
1
0
-3
14


C. Reynolds G
24
4-12
2-5
1-1
3
3
6
2
0
0
1
1
+5
13


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Kelley C
3
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
4
4
0
0
0
0
3
-5
0


J. Kasibabu F
21
0-0
0-0
1-1
3
4
7
1
0
1
1
3
+8
2


K. Williams G
26
7-12
6-10
0-1
0
6
6
2
1
0
3
0
+20
20


A. Mathis G
28
4-12
4-11
2-3
0
4
4
1
0
0
5
2
+17
15


K. Johnson G
24
5-8
0-1
2-3
3
8
11
1
1
0
0
0
+12
14


L. Perrantes G
23
2-8
2-6
0-0
0
3
3
8
2
0
0
1
+18
6


TEAM

36-85
16-41
7-12
13
41
54
31
8
4
16
13

102




42.9%
40.0%
58.3%

[Chinook]

To be clear, a center who passes is not particularly nifty. Like obviously it's better than not being able to pass, and when it's mixed in with good scoring, it's really nice. But Renfro constantly getting assists and nothing else is far from impressive. He won't get the ball enough to pass a lot at higher levels, and if he's not a threat to score, he's going to have a hard time leveraging the defense into good passing opportunities anyway.

[BackHome]

Yeah he is going to start having to show he is an offensive threat either through taking it to the whole or shooting the 3 ball in which case as long as his form doesn't look bad the misses won't be to bad.

[exstatic]

To be clear, a center who passes is not particularly nifty. Like obviously it's better than not being able to pass, and when it's mixed in with good scoring, it's really nice. But Renfro constantly getting assists and nothing else is far from impressive. He won't get the ball enough to pass a lot at higher levels, and if he's not a threat to score, he's going to have a hard time leveraging the defense into good passing opportunities anyway.

There’s passing, and then there’s passing on the dribble. Renfro was 5’9” in HS, so he has a guard’s skill set and mentality, not unlike Boris Diaw.

[John B]

Austin up by 23 end of 3rd quarter

[exstatic]

So, I guess they just had to get rid of that last NBA 15 man roster player in RW II to start playing well. These last two games have been easy, and dominant.

If anyone else is watching, does it sound like Fab is broadcasting from his bathroom?

[BackHome]

Nate once again leads team with 7 assists he did not play a lot of minutes as this was pretty much a blow out.

Is Mathis giving anyone Forbes/Mills vibes as far as his shooting?

[exstatic]

Nate once again leads team with 7 assists he did not play a lot of minutes as this was pretty much a blow out.

Is Mathis giving anyone Forbes/Mills vibes as far as his shooting?

Forbes, maybe, but not Mills. Nobody moves like Mills without the ball, or has that rattlesnake strike quick release.

[ace3g]

Spurs also clinched a playoff spot with the win.


Final


1
2
3
4
T


GBO
20
26
26
26
98


AUS
40
32
23
24
119




https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


A. MokokaF
26
3-7
0-3
1-1
1
7
8
1
1
0
5
4
+13
8


N. RenfroF
14
2-5
0-0
0-0
0
3
3
7
3
0
1
4
+12
4


K. ThomasG
19
7-11
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G. Robinson Jr.G
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7
2
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8


C. ReynoldsG
24
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3-3
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3
3
2
0
0
1
0
+12
16


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3PT
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OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. KelleyC
13
4-7
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1-1
2
2
4
0
0
0
0
2
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10


J. KasibabuF
21
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1
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15


K. WilliamsG
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4
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7


L. PerrantesG
23
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6
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4


K. JohnsonG
24
3-3
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7
3
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A. MathisG
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22


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12-29
10-14
7
38
45
34
10
5
11
22

119




52.3%
41.4%
71.4%

[exstatic]

Yup. Playoffs, 10-4 so far, with one game remaining. Single elimination tournament of 8 teams.

[ace3g]

Two handed dunk from just inside the FT line, very impressive.

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1367214341578256388

[John B]

Spurs also clinched a playoff spot with the win.


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2
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4
T


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20
26
26
26
98


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40
32
23
24
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8
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17


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8


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2
0
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1
0
+12
16


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FT
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REB
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STL
BLK
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PF
+/-
PTS


K. KelleyC
13
4-7
0-0
1-1
2
2
4
0
0
0
0
2
-5
10


J. KasibabuF
21
6-10
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4
7
2
0
1
1
2
+14
15


K. WilliamsG
23
3-9
1-3
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2
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4
1
0
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1
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7


L. PerrantesG
23
2-6
0-2
0-0
1
1
2
6
2
0
0
1
+10
4


K. JohnsonG
24
3-3
0-0
1-2
0
7
7
3
0
3
0
2
+9
8


A. MathisG
29
6-15
5-9
3-3
0
3
3
2
0
0
2
1
+11
22


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12-29
10-14
7
38
45
34
10
5
11
22

119




52.3%
41.4%
71.4%




I like Renfro's motor, defense and athleticism. But he doesn't really score much. I mean 4 pts today, the other day zero? :(

[BackHome]

He has potential but he is going to need some coaching up I am just hoping he gets a two way contract for the Spurs. I think if he gets to spend some quite time with Chip after this season will see if he will put in the hard work to hit the 3 ball corner pocket.

He has a hard road ahead of him but like I said I love underdogs and his Character is definitely Spurs material so will see what happens.

[Indianman]

Nate is a middle class man's JSimms no?

[exstatic]

Nate is a middle class man's JSimms no?

No. Other than hops, they’re very different players. Nate is a PF with crazy block and steal skills, and fantastic passing and court vision.

[Seventyniner]

No. Other than hops, they’re very different players. Nate is a PF with crazy block and steal skills, and fantastic passing and court vision.

I haven't watched enough of the Austin Spurs to really know, or even the Warriors for that matter, but how does Renfro compare to Draymond in terms of skillset?

[Indianman]

In that case, if the Pop could find a role for JSimms, one can only imagine the possibilities of Renfro with the big team.

[exstatic]

I haven't watched enough of the Austin Spurs to really know, or even the Warriors for that matter, but how does Renfro compare to Draymond in terms of skillset?

His shooting needs work, but the potential is there to be like Draymond, minus the psychosis. A plus defender at the big position, who can also create offense with passing.

[Dejounte]

I haven't watched enough of the Austin Spurs to really know, or even the Warriors for that matter, but how does Renfro compare to Draymond in terms of skillset?

Draymond has a heavy-set. Renfro's strength hasn't been tested against stronger guy. Remains to be seen if he will get pushed back on his feet or if his core allows him to hold his position as well as Draymond does.

[Seventyniner]

Draymond has a heavy-set. Renfro's strength hasn't been tested against stronger guy. Remains to be seen if he will get pushed back on his feet or if his core allows him to hold his position as well as Draymond does.

That makes sense from the measurements (Renfro 6'8" 205 lbs, Draymond 6'6" 230 lbs). Draymond is a 4, but would Renfro be a 4 also or can he possibly play the 3?

This is just me thinking out loud. Draymond has shown that he is excellent on defense and is at his best on offense when surrounded by shooters, but is so much of a non-threat himself as a shooter that it takes a special situation to get the most out of his abilities on that end. Renfro might be similar, and is the reason I brought up the possible comparison.

Renfro would be going up against opposing benches instead of starters, too, at least at first. A lineup like Mills/White/Vassell/Renfro/Samanic (lots of shooting) looks very intriguing on paper.

[Dejounte]

That makes sense from the measurements (Renfro 6'8" 205 lbs, Draymond 6'6" 230 lbs). Draymond is a 4, but would Renfro be a 4 also or can he possibly play the 3?

This is just me thinking out loud. Draymond has shown that he is excellent on defense and is at his best on offense when surrounded by shooters, but is so much of a non-threat himself as a shooter that it takes a special situation to get the most out of his abilities on that end. Renfro might be similar, and is the reason I brought up the possible comparison.

Renfro would be going up against opposing benches instead of starters, too, at least at first. A lineup like Mills/White/Vassell/Renfro/Samanic (lots of shooting) looks very intriguing on paper.

Nah, I think Renfro's mindset on offense and his lack of ability to create offense for himself will prevent him from being a SF in a line-up.

Renfro's mindset right now consists of him believing "there's better shooters than me, so I'm open but I'm going to pass it to the other open guy."

He doesn't have a broken looking shot. If he was relied on more consistently each game to shoot, then I have no doubt he would develop into a consistent catch and shoot player.

Think of Renfro as similar to Poeltl right now in terms of role... Nate doesn't have the same interior presence as Renfro, but Renfro is much more dangerous getting the ball from the perimeter because he's explosive when he's attacking the basket. Unlike Poeltl, Renfro hovers on the perimeter waiting for a pass because he trusts his ability to shoot the ball or create a shot for others by finding the open man.

[rankingtear]

Playing like a wing sized big man right now. Brandon Clarke comes to mind.

[exstatic]

Playing like a wing sized big man right now. Brandon Clarke comes to mind.

Yeah, but Clarke is 6’8” with a 6’8” wingspan. Renfro has a 7’1” wingspan. That trait affects your ability to block sots and steal and deflect balls. The Draymond comparison is closer.

[Seventyniner]

Nah, I think Renfro's mindset on offense and his lack of ability to create offense for himself will prevent him from being a SF in a line-up.

Renfro's mindset right now consists of him believing "there's better shooters than me, so I'm open but I'm going to pass it to the other open guy."

He doesn't have a broken looking shot. If he was relied on more consistently each game to shoot, then I have no doubt he would develop into a consistent catch and shoot player.

Think of Renfro as similar to Poeltl right now in terms of role... Nate doesn't have the same interior presence as Renfro, but Renfro is much more dangerous getting the ball from the perimeter because he's explosive when he's attacking the basket. Unlike Poeltl, Renfro hovers on the perimeter waiting for a pass because he trusts his ability to shoot the ball or create a shot for others by finding the open man.

So Renfro is yet another 4? That might be why the Spurs haven't given him a shot yet: the Spurs are suddenly looking loaded at that position. I was more thinking of Renfro's position on defense than offense anyway. Being a non-shooter means the opponent would likely hide their weakest defender on him regardless of position.

Still, from looking at the stats he's a putrid shooter, so for now "better shooters than me" would include all 9 of the other players on the floor and at least 2 of the refs. That would make playing the 3 even more difficult because he would probably need shooters at both the 4 and 5, which is hard to come by. Maaaaybe for a few minutes per game he could be a microball 5 because he can block shots (though from what little I've seen he seems like more of a weakside shotblocker than straight-up contester like Poeltl), but it looks like he would be mainly a 4.

Thanks for the comments and consideration. I know you have watched the games, so if you say his form is fixable I will take your word for it. Renfro seems like such an intriguing prospect that my mind immediately jumps to ways he could fit with the big squad. Becoming a respectable shooter would go a long way towards an NBA career for him and is the most important step he could take.

The only reason I brought up Draymond is that Renfro's stats/measurements and such look like the same "great passer/defender, poor shooter" archetype.

[Dejounte]

So Renfro is yet another 4? That might be why the Spurs haven't given him a shot yet: the Spurs are suddenly looking loaded at that position. I was more thinking of Renfro's position on defense than offense anyway. Being a non-shooter means the opponent would likely hide their weakest defender on him regardless of position.

Still, from looking at the stats he's a putrid shooter, so for now "better shooters than me" would include all 9 of the other players on the floor and at least 2 of the refs. That would make playing the 3 even more difficult because he would probably need shooters at both the 4 and 5, which is hard to come by. Maaaaybe for a few minutes per game he could be a microball 5 because he can block shots (though from what little I've seen he seems like more of a weakside shotblocker than straight-up contester like Poeltl), but it looks like he would be mainly a 4.

Thanks for the comments and consideration. I know you have watched the games, so if you say his form is fixable I will take your word for it. Renfro seems like such an intriguing prospect that my mind immediately jumps to ways he could fit with the big squad. Becoming a respectable shooter would go a long way towards an NBA career for him and is the most important step he could take.

The only reason I brought up Draymond is that Renfro's stats/measurements and such look like the same "great passer/defender, poor shooter" archetype.

The idea of Renfro was more sought after before Luka was called up to the main team and before guys went down due to COVID.

When they played together, Luka and Renfro on the g-league team played 5 and 4 respectively. That line-up gave other teams fits.

At the time, Luka didn't guard the perimeter as much as he has displayed now. That is why Renfro was being looked at as a guy who can join the main team and become a back-up 4 whenever Luka slides over to 5. It could still happen, but I think it diminishes Luka's newfound strength guarding 4's in the NBA and will force him to guard 5's instead (and hang out in the paint where he is not that great at yet)

Renfro could still turn out to be useful, but I think we would need to get rid of a lot of depth at the 4 as you said.

[Chinook]

There’s passing, and then there’s passing on the dribble. Renfro was 5’9” in HS, so he has a guard’s skill set and mentality, not unlike Boris Diaw.

Sorry. To be clear, a center who passes on the dribble is not particularly nifty. Teams don't need their centers to do that, so without a foundation to make him an NBA player, it doesn't help. I'm obviously not rooting against the guy, but I feel like his bubble is getting way too big based on his performance. He shouldn't be compared to Diaw or Green. That would be true if Renfro were doing it in garbage time in the NBA, but it's significantly more true given that it's in the g-league, where he basically has no size or skill disadvantage.

[pad300]

Renfro's in a tough spot.
He can't (currently) be a Dray in the league, because he can't defend an NBA C like Dray. Dray has at least 30 lbs on Nate, and knows how to use it (and gets a LOT of latitude from the refs). Without shooting, he can't play 4 in this league...
Tough spot... He's a long term project at best.

[Chinook]

When I see Renfro's passing, I see him more as a guy who has an NBA-level BBIQ rather than a special play-maker. There's NOTHING wrong with that. He has an NBA body (or close depending on if he is a big or a wing), and an NBA brain. The reason why he gets so many assists is because he knows where guys are supposed to be and how to pass the ball to leverage a defender. In the NBA, that would translate to some heady passes, yes, but it'd probably more manifest in opportunistic cuts/dives/duck-ins and screens, and on defense as deflections, rotations and charges drawn. All well and dandy, and general comments about foundation noted, that's exciting enough.

What I don't think folks should do is expect that to translate directly, see the uniqueness if it did and project him as this weapon or compare him to the relative unicorns who managed to do that at the highest level. That's what creates this bubble where folks want to overlook the flaws of a guy who doesn't seem very capable of scoring at a level where basically every NBA player should be able to score. In today's league, it's very important to have five "live" guys on the court at once, and it won't be easy to have Renfro on the court if he can't be that. It certainly doesn't help that he probably can't play the five in the NBA like he can in the d-league. The farther down the positional ladder you go, the harder it is to get away with bad scoring. Deflections might be a constant thing, but block numbers also fall down pretty sharply as you move down. A rim-protecting SF usually pales in comparison to a rim-protecting center. As that defensive impact wanes and the offensive strengths get blunted, the net benefit he provides to the court also goes down.

[Chinook]

Renfro's in a tough spot.
He can't (currently) be a Dray in the league, because he can't defend an NBA C like Dray. Dray has at least 30 lbs on Nate, and knows how to use it (and gets a LOT of latitude from the refs). Without shooting, he can't play 4 in this league...
Tough spot... He's a long term project at best.

Yeah, that's basically what I was saying in that long-winded post below. Renfro might be a positive player with a good corner-three, but he's not going to be the play-maker of a unit without more scoring skill than that. You aren't going to have him on the court with guys like Murray, White or DeRozan and want him to be the guy setting folks up and going for assists.

[exstatic]

Sorry. To be clear, a center who passes on the dribble is not particularly nifty. Teams don't need their centers to do that, so without a foundation to make him an NBA player, it doesn't help. I'm obviously not rooting against the guy, but I feel like his bubble is getting way too big based on his performance. He shouldn't be compared to Diaw or Green. That would be true if Renfro were doing it in garbage time in the NBA, but it's significantly more true given that it's in the g-league, where he basically has no size or skill disadvantage.

And which centers currently in the NBA pass off the bounce? I’m not talking one dribble, then hand off. I’m talking handling the ball for, say, more than 4 moving dribbles, assessing the situation, and making the right read and pass.

[Chinook]

And which centers currently in the NBA pass off the bounce? I’m not talking one dribble, then hand off. I’m talking handling the ball for, say, more than 4 moving dribbles, assessing the situation, and making the right read and pass.

Likely, more of them have the skill to do so than you'd assume. Centers don't pass off the bounce because there are guards to do that for them. Imagine White, Murray and DeRozan standing there watching Renfro try to dribble past a static defense and kick it out. I can't imagine how bad ST would blow a gasket at that.

Centers driving and passing is like PGs posting up. Sure it's a skill, and in the right context can actually be really helpful. But it's not close to being a real selling point for a guy without the basics also being there.

[exstatic]

Likely, more of them have the skill to do so than you'd assume. Centers don't pass off the bounce because there are guards to do that for them. Imagine White, Murray and DeRozan standing there watching Renfro try to dribble past a static defense and kick it out. I can't imagine how bad ST would blow a gasket at that.

Centers driving and passing is like PGs posting up. Sure it's a skill, and in the right context can actually be really helpful. But it's not close to being a real selling point for a guy without the basics also being there.

How many Gubble games did you watch that you can say he is without the basics? He lacks exactly one, shooting, and we kinda have the best coach for that.

BTW, centers who can dribble/shoot/pass are a hell of a lot more relevant than guards who can post up in today’s game. Post up guards used to be valued, because that used to matter in the context of that era.

[rankingtear]

How many Gubble games did you watch that you can say he is without the basics? He lacks exactly one, shooting, and we kinda have the best coach for that.

BTW, centers who can dribble/shoot/pass are a hell of a lot more relevant than guards who can post up in today’s game. Post up guards used to be valued, because that used to matter in the context of that era.

Goodluck playing Renfro at center at 205. Bryn and Lonnie are 205. And point guards who post up are the most valuable commodity in the NBA see Luka, Bron.

[exstatic]

Goodluck playing Renfro at center at 205. Bryn and Lonnie are 205. And point guards who post up are the most valuable commodity in the NBA see Luka, Bron.

Lonnie’s not 205. May have been at one point, but not now. If you look at Devin, that’s 205. Renfro is both taller and bulkier by a lot. He’s not 205. He’s at least 220. We’d also be talking bench minutes.

[Chinook]

How many Gubble games did you watch that you can say he is without the basics? He lacks exactly one, shooting, and we kinda have the best coach for that.

BTW, centers who can dribble/shoot/pass are a hell of a lot more relevant than guards who can post up in today’s game. Post up guards used to be valued, because that used to matter in the context of that era.

Scoring. Shooting being his only weakness implies he can drive and get to the line and all of that but that he can't hit an outside shot. Renfro isn't a threat on offense. That's a huge problem. Him being able to pass is basically irrelevant if he can't score for reasons I've probably said a few times already. Again, the reason why you don't see many bigs drive and pass at the NBA level isn't because no one could do it; it's because having a center do it is a waste of resources. Can you devise a team where a driving and passing center could be good? Yes. But A) That's not anywhere close to the Spurs as constructed and B) That driving center still needs to be a scoring threat, because he won't move the defense enough to create open shots.

Posting up is still really valuable for a point guard. The assumed superior ball-handling and vision means a PG should be able to play out of doubles better, and in a spread system, you can more easily pull out all shot-blockers from the paint. But it isn't and never was good enough to be the sole offensive benefit for a player. Of course, posting up does entail a string of other skills, so it's more generous than a driving center. But the point remains that having a rare skill as the only notable thing on offense isn't a huge benefit.

Like "Oh no, I don't have a center that can drive. Whatever will I do besides just have my guards, wings and forwards do it instead?"

[exstatic]

Scoring. Shooting being his only weakness implies he can drive and get to the line and all of that but that he can't hit an outside shot. Renfro isn't a threat on offense. That's a huge problem. Him being able to pass is basically irrelevant if he can't score for reasons I've probably said a few times already. Again, the reason why you don't see many bigs drive and pass at the NBA level isn't because no one could do it; it's because having a center do it is a waste of resources. Can you devise a team where a driving and passing center could be good? Yes. But A) That's not anywhere close to the Spurs as constructed and B) That driving center still needs to be a scoring threat, because he won't move the defense enough to create open shots.

Posting up is still really valuable for a point guard. The assumed superior ball-handling and vision means a PG should be able to play out of doubles better, and in a spread system, you can more easily pull out all shot-blockers from the paint. But it isn't and never was good enough to be the sole offensive benefit for a player. Of course, posting up does entail a string of other skills, so it's more generous than a driving center. But the point remains that having a rare skill as the only notable thing on offense isn't a huge benefit.

Like "Oh no, I don't have a center that can drive. Whatever will I do besides just have my guards, wings and forwards do it instead?"

So, no games watched then...

For a guy that was Team Thuybulle, you sure seem real reluctant to bring in a larger version, with handles and court vision.

[Chinook]

So, no games watched then...

For a guy that was Team Thuybulle, you sure seem real reluctant to bring in a larger version, with handles and court vision.

I was Team Clarke, and you know it. I actually didn't want to draft Thybulle at all. You're confusing me saying that in retrospect he would've been a fine pick with me saying that I don't think he's a limited player or something. That's true even considering he's playing NBA minutes and not being passive in the d-league like Renfro is. It's weird that you believe the production will just transfer over like that.

And I'm not reluctant to bring in Renfro, especially on a 10-day. But I do think you and others keep harping on skills that don't really contribute to winning positional basketball.

Renfro doesn't score. I don't need to "watch games" to know that. Simply put, even guys who are pass-first NBA players are dominant scorers in the d-league. I'm not even asking for that, though. Him being a moderate scorer would actually evidence the completeness of his game.

[LCM]

If Bruce Bowen can be taught to hit a 3, then Renfro can too. Renfro has WAY more offensive potential than Bruce ever did, and Renfro has the athletic ability to cover 1-4. You can switch everything, he plays the same type of passing game from the top of the key like Bam in Miami and Thad Young in Chicago, and you have got to love his unselfishness! He impacts winning without having the ball married to his hands! He doesn't need to average 20pts a night to be an X factor for whether you won the game or not.

[pad300]

So, no games watched then...

For a guy that was Team Thuybulle, you sure seem real reluctant to bring in a larger version, with handles and court vision.

While you're not talking to me, yeah, I was good with drafting Thybulle, and I'm a lot more sceptical with Renfro. Thybulle was setting all time records for Defense numbers; Renfro's good, but not that good.

[pad300]

If Bruce Bowen can be taught to hit a 3, then Renfro can too. Renfro has WAY more offensive potential than Bruce ever did, and Renfro has the athletic ability to cover 1-4. You can switch everything, he plays the same type of passing game from the top of the key like Bam in Miami and Thad Young in Chicago, and you have got to love his unselfishness! He impacts winning without having the ball married to his hands! He doesn't need to average 20pts a night to be an X factor for whether you won the game or not.

I agree that Renfro with a jumpshot is a NBA player for sure, and potentially very useful. I will believe in his jumpshot when he actually starts taking and making them...

[LCM]

I agree that Renfro with a jumpshot is a NBA player for sure, and potentially very useful. I will believe in his jumpshot when he actually starts taking and making them...

Perfectly understandable. When Gubble is over would love him up on the big club on a 10 day and roll from there.

[BackHome]

Yeah I don't think anyone is saying "He is going to be our next Starter' I think he has Potential that will need to fostered and grown to reach his peak. A lot of People didn't like us drafting Luka "Potential" cough cough - Chinook:dramaquee - But look at our boy he is looking GOOD.:toast

So the most I am hoping is a two way contract if he can get some offense we are Golden and if not well move on to the next Project

[pad300]

Yeah I don't think anyone is saying "He is going to be our next Starter' I think he has Potential that will need to fostered and grown to reach his peak. A lot of People didn't like us drafting Luka "Potential" cough cough - Chinook:dramaquee - But look at our boy he is looking GOOD.:toast

So the most I am hoping is a two way contract if he can get some offense we are Golden and if not well move on to the next Project

The issue with that is that we have 2 2-way spots. Currently Weatherspoon and KBD. Weatherspoon's probably gone this summer - but his contract likely goes to our 2nd round pick... Would you rather have KBD or Renfro? KBD is definitely better now...

[rankingtear]

Lonnie’s not 205. May have been at one point, but not now. If you look at Devin, that’s 205. Renfro is both taller and bulkier by a lot. He’s not 205. He’s at least 220. We’d also be talking bench minutes.

Source?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1367953135520595968

[LCM]

This man didn't play a game for 2 YEARS!! Spurs, PLEASE, keep this man in your system and teams because all he needs is a consistent jump shot! My goodness!!

[ace3g]

This man didn't play a game for 2 YEARS!! Spurs, PLEASE, keep this man in your system and teams because all he needs is a consistent jump shot! My goodness!!

Here is another article about his journey back after the injury.

https://tucson.com/sports/tucsonan-nate-renfro-healthy-again-as-he-pursues-nba-dream/article_b7c9e104-ef21-51c7-b84c-cb198d230126.html

[BackHome]

After reading that I am so hoping we give him a two way contract always rooting for the under dog. I know we have Q and KB as our current two way but I also think that one or two of our Vets won’t be back after this season - Rudy, LMA, DEROZZ, Lyles, and Mills I don’t see all of them coming back.

If our shooting coaches can spend sometime with him after G League season I really think he would show dramatic improvements you can tell he has the desire and work ethic to get better.

[exstatic]

After reading that I am so hoping we give him a two way contract always rooting for the under dog. I know we have Q and KB as our current two way but I also think that one or two of our Vets won’t be back after this season - Rudy, LMA, DEROZZ, Lyles, and Mills I don’t see all of them coming back.

If our shooting coaches can spend sometime with him after G League season I really think he would show dramatic improvements you can tell he has the desire and work ethic to get better.

Sad to say, but I think Q’s ticket out of town was punched when we drafted Tre. He’s caught in a numbers crunch, and is coming to the end of his second, and by the CBA, last two way contract. He seems like a good kid, so I hope he catches on somewhere.

[LCM]

Here is another article about his journey back after the injury.

https://tucson.com/sports/tucsonan-nate-renfro-healthy-again-as-he-pursues-nba-dream/article_b7c9e104-ef21-51c7-b84c-cb198d230126.html

Thank you for the article! Great read! There are a lot of comparisons for Renfro. We've all thrown some out. Shaun Livingston is another that comes to mind. This man has all the tools to be a great piece to help a club win games. This man is built for this era of NBA basketball, all he needs to show is a consistent jump shot because he's athletic, defense minded, can pass the rock, roll and finish at the rim, unselfish, dedicated to improving, overcomes obstacles ... Chip, just get the J humming, because this guy helps bench units extend leads. These are the hidden players you have to find to grow your team to title contenders.

[bluebellmaniac]

The issue with that is that we have 2 2-way spots. Currently Weatherspoon and KBD. Weatherspoon's probably gone this summer - but his contract likely goes to our 2nd round pick... Would you rather have KBD or Renfro? KBD is definitely better now...

Why.couldnt we have both Renfro and KBD on 2-ways next year? If KBD is better, would he be good enough for a minimum contract next year? That'd open a 2-way slot.

[Ocotillo]

Sad to say, but I think Q’s ticket out of town was punched when we drafted Tre. He’s caught in a numbers crunch, and is coming to the end of his second, and by the CBA, last two way contract. He seems like a good kid, so I hope he catches on somewhere.

I agree. Q showed some promise and I think most had hopes he could be a spot bench player for the team but the combination of depth at guard and a horrid outing last time he played for San Antonio in garbage time I believe makes his time here near the end. Hope he can get a contract somewhere else because he does seem like a good person.

[mo7888]

Why.couldnt we have both Renfro and KBD on 2-ways next year? If KBD is better, would he be good enough for a minimum contract next year? That'd open a 2-way slot.

I think KBD has shown enough that he'll earn a contract next season...hopefully with us but, if not, others will offer it.

I'd like Renfro on a 2 way and K Thomas possibly...

[ace3g]

Halftime

ESPN+
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2
3
4
T


AUS
19
27


46


GLI
29
37


66




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


A. Mokoka F
15
1-3
1-2
1-1
0
2
2
0
1
0
2
0
-6
5


N. Renfro F
14
2-4
0-1
0-0
2
3
5
0
2
0
1
1
+1
4


K. Thomas G
11
2-6
1-4
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
0
-6
5


G. Robinson Jr. G
11
1-2
0-0
0-0
0
2
2
3
0
0
1
0
-8
2


C. Reynolds G
15
3-9
2-6
1-1
0
1
1
1
0
1
1
0
-5
10


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Johnson G
4
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


A. Mathis G
8
3-5
3-4
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
2
-12
9


J. Kasibabu F
7
1-1
0-0
0-1
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
1
-15
2


Q. Weatherspoon G
9
2-4
0-1
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
0
4
2
-17
4


K. Williams G
13
2-4
1-3
0-0
0
0
0
2
1
0
0
0
-15
5


L. Perrantes G
13
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
4
1
0
1
0
-15
0


K. Kelley C
Has not entered game


TEAM

17-38
8-21
2-3
2
14
16
12
5
1
11
6

46




44.7%
38.1%
66.7%

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1368360784225525761

[ace3g]

Former NBA player Amir Johnson having a game, just hit a 3.

4:26 - 3rd

ESPN+
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AUS
19
27
14

60


GLI
29
37
17

83



https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/gli.png&h=100&w=100 GLI



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


I. Todd F
20
5-10
1-2
1-1
0
6
6
3
0
0
0
1
+11
12


A. Johnson F
20
12-12
1-1
1-1
0
2
2
0
1
0
0
1
+14
27


J. Green G
23
5-12
1-2
2-2
0
3
3
2
0
0
1
1
+16
15


D. Nix G
24
4-9
0-2
0-0
0
5
5
6
1
0
0
1
+13
8


J. Jack G
25
2-7
1-5
1-1
0
2
2
3
1
1
1
2
+16
6


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


C. Demps G
16
3-3
2-2
0-0
2
1
3
3
0
0
0
1
+13
8


R. Hearn F
8
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
+7
0


B. Brown G
14
1-3
1-3
0-0
1
4
5
6
1
0
4
0
+17
3


B. Ashley F
7
1-2
0-1
1-1
1
3
4
1
0
0
2
4
+8
4


P. Singh C
Has not entered game


J. Govan C
Has not entered game


J. Kuminga F
Has not entered game


TEAM

33-59
7-18
6-6
4
26
30
24
5
1
8
11

83




55.9%
38.9%
100.0%

[bluebellmaniac]

Halftime

ESPN+
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2
3
4
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AUS
19
27


46


GLI
29
37


66




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


A. Mokoka F
15
1-3
1-2
1-1
0
2
2
0
1
0
2
0
-6
5


N. Renfro F
14
2-4
0-1
0-0
2
3
5
0
2
0
1
1
+1
4


K. Thomas G
11
2-6
1-4
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
0
-6
5


G. Robinson Jr. G
11
1-2
0-0
0-0
0
2
2
3
0
0
1
0
-8
2


C. Reynolds G
15
3-9
2-6
1-1
0
1
1
1
0
1
1
0
-5
10


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Johnson G
4
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


A. Mathis G
8
3-5
3-4
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
2
-12
9


J. Kasibabu F
7
1-1
0-0
0-1
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
1
-15
2


Q. Weatherspoon G
9
2-4
0-1
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
0
4
2
-17
4


K. Williams G
13
2-4
1-3
0-0
0
0
0
2
1
0
0
0
-15
5


L. Perrantes G
13
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
4
1
0
1
0
-15
0


K. Kelley C
Has not entered game


TEAM

17-38
8-21
2-3
2
14
16
12
5
1
11
6

46




44.7%
38.1%
66.7%




We're down 20 when these stats are posted but with Renfro in the game, we are +1 in point differential. Amazing!

[ace3g]

Jonathan Kasibabu is the true definition of "below the rim" player. He has cement shoes anytime he tries to elevate.

[ace3g]

End of 3rd

ESPN+
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AUS
19
27
20

66


GLI
29
37
34

100

[BackHome]

Only guy rebounding for the Spurs is Nate

[BackHome]

Clear difference without Trey, Luka, and Woodard

[ace3g]

6:18 - 4th

ESPN+
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2
3
4
T


AUS
19
27
20
13
79


GLI
29
37
34
10
110

[ace3g]

Final

ESPN+
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2
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AUS
19
27
20
26
92


GLI
29
37
34
27
127




https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba-development/500/aus.png&h=100&w=100 Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


A. Mokoka F
26
1-4
1-3
1-1
0
3
3
0
2
1
2
2
-8
5


N. Renfro F
26
2-4
0-1
1-1
3
5
8
0
2
3
1
1
-1
6


K. Thomas G
14
2-7
1-5
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
0
-4
5


G. Robinson Jr. G
24
5-10
0-0
0-1
0
3
3
3
0
0
1
0
-10
10


C. Reynolds G
29
3-14
2-9
1-1
2
4
6
1
0
1
3
0
-5
10


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


K. Johnson G
13
1-2
0-0
0-2
1
1
2
0
1
0
0
1
-17
2


A. Mathis G
17
3-9
3-7
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
0
1
4
-29
9


K. Kelley C
3
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
1
+0
0


J. Kasibabu F
15
1-2
0-0
3-4
1
2
3
1
0
0
2
3
-28
8


Q. Weatherspoon G
22
8-15
1-4
4-6
1
2
3
2
0
0
4
3
-18
22


K. Williams G
24
6-12
1-5
1-1
2
2
4
2
2
0
0
0
-29
15


L. Perrantes G
25
0-2
0-2
0-0
0
2
2
8
3
0
1
0
-26
0


TEAM

32-81
9-36
11-17
10
28
38
19
10
5
15
15

92




38.7%
22.9%
64.7%

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev2E6qhXIAIOhVy?format=jpg&name=large

[BackHome]

I see Q getting some burn in the G League - would not have mind if Vassel would have been sent down to get some much needed playing time.

[exstatic]

Clear difference without Trey, Luka, and Woodard

They did fine over the last two games. It was just very clear who needed the game to get into the playoffs, and who didn’t. Their coach started two mid 30s NBA vets who both have over 800 games played in Amir and Jarrett Jack, and they killed us.

[exstatic]

I see Q getting some burn in the G League - would not have mind if Vassel would have been sent down to get some much needed playing time.

Vassell isn’t playing because he’s in recovery protocols. When he’s healthy after the ASG, he’ll be right back to playing. I’m the biggest proponent of Austin as a development venue, but Devin doesn’t belong there. We need his defensive chops on the big club.

[buttsR4rebounding]

They did fine over the last two games. It was just very clear who needed the game to get into the playoffs, and who didn’t. Their coach started two mid 30s NBA vets who both have over 800 games played in Amir and Jarrett Jack, and they killed us.

How long ago was Amir Johnson in the league? He was once traded for Fabricio.

[exstatic]

How long ago was Amir Johnson in the league? He was once traded for Fabricio.

Amir and Jarrett were both drafted in 2005.

[ace3g]

Renfro getting some media hype for DPoY


Defensive Player of the Year: Nate Renfro, Austin Spurs

As mentioned, Paul Reed should truly be considered a perennial frontrunner for all major awards. But for sake of debate, Renfro is also deserving of consideration for the DPOY for some of the same very reasons.

Like Reed, Renfro is in special company as one of just four players to average at least 1.3 blocks and steals per game. His 1.9 blocks, however, were also ninth best in the league. Under normal circumstances, players are eligible to win an award after playing in 50% of their team’s games, but given the shortened campaign, participation should seemingly hold more water this time around. With some extra credit thrown his way for appearing in all fifteen games, Renfro’s 98.3 Defensive Rating ranks fifth best of all players who also appeared in as many games. He’s also the only player in the top 15 of such parameters whose team won at least 10 games. The Spurs boasted the ninth best Defensive Rating in the league.

At 6’8” and 205 pounds, Renfro is athletic, owns his physicality, and can defend multiple positions quite nicely. There’s something to be said about competing while not being a Two-Way Player or an NBA assignee. The 24 year old is fighting for recognition and certainly made his mark, doing so in just 24.8 minutes per game.

https://keithschlosser.substack.com/p/nba-gleague-award-winners-deserving