Austin Toros Info

[Chinook]

Really wish Hanlan got the two-way over Hillard. Hillard has been fine, but I don't like the message the Spurs have been sending their prospects lately. Everything from the confusion with Hanga to not playing Bertans to de Colo wanting out to them fucking up on Milutinov -- I wouldn't want the Spurs to be holding my rights right now. Hanlan and Blossomgame should have gotten the deals, or if not them a guy like Cady. That's what the deals are for: paying guys to be in the d-league who might have otherwise gone/stayed overseas.

[raybies]

Really wish Hanlan got the two-way over Hillard. Hillard has been fine, but I don't like the message the Spurs have been sending their prospects lately. Everything from the confusion with Hanga to not playing Bertans to de Colo wanting out to them fucking up on Milutinov -- I wouldn't want the Spurs to be holding my rights right now. Hanlan and Blossomgame should have gotten the deals, or if not them a guy like Cady. That's what the deals are for: paying guys to be in the d-league who might have otherwise gone/stayed overseas.
I give you Hanlan. He's been solid since summer league. Very steady hand at point, plays big, and somewhat versatile. He's kind of a jack of all trades type as a combo guard. I like his game a lot. We are set at guard for the near future so I wonder how he figures in.

[jyra]

Nothing too exciting in these highlights but it's good to see him being more aggressive and shooting well:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyaUgSu0uvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRueIx31yEg

[jermaine]

What's up with Blossomgame

[SAGirl]

Really wish Hanlan got the two-way over Hillard. Hillard has been fine, but I don't like the message the Spurs have been sending their prospects lately. Everything from the confusion with Hanga to not playing Bertans to de Colo wanting out to them fucking up on Milutinov -- I wouldn't want the Spurs to be holding my rights right now. Hanlan and Blossomgame should have gotten the deals, or if not them a guy like Cady. That's what the deals are for: paying guys to be in the d-league who might have otherwise gone/stayed overseas.
I have seen comments in SBNation that state if you are going to play in the Gleague it’s better to be a FA anyways so that you have chances to get called up by any team instead of just the one team which may not have roster spots. So Hanlan, Blossomgame and the like are f*cked. They aren’t getting the 2 way deal, they aren’t going to get called up by the Spurs when the 2 way deals are there, and other teams can’t call them up either. They are long shots unlikely to make it even if they were free, but one never knows, injuries affect teams and they start calling up gleague prospects.

[Pavlov]

I have seen comments in SBNation that state if you are going to play in the Gleague it’s better to be a FA anyways so that you have chances to get called up by any team instead of just the one team which may not have roster spots. So Hanlan, Blossomgame and the like are f*cked. They aren’t getting the 2 way deal, they aren’t going to get called up by the Spurs when the 2 way deals are there, and other teams can’t call them up either. They are long shots unlikely to make it even if they were free, but one never knows, injuries affect teams and they start calling up gleague prospects.Eh, they can always go overseas. If they wanted to be free agents all they had to do was force the tender offer before the season. Playing in Austin is their choice.

[BackHome]

Hanlan and Castello have been the guys who have stood out. The one thing on this team is that all the players are pretty decent.

[ceperez]

Hanlan and Castello have been the guys who have stood out. The one thing on this team is that all the players are pretty decent.

I'm hoping that the guys with athleticism and talent learn the skills to excel in the NBA. Spurs have been able to develop lots of players like Jamychal Green and JSimms who have the athleticism and now the skills to do well in the NBA. Just too bad we couldn't keep either of them. However, I'm pretty stoked about acquiring Rudy Gay in the freemarket for cheap. I don't think you can get Rudy Gay talent coming from the G-league.

[John B]

I’ve been waiting for Brimah to have a monster game. It hasn’t happened :wakeup

[ceperez]

I’ve been waiting for Brimah to have a monster game. It hasn’t happened :wakeup

He's got the length that Spurs love. He could turn out to be a Dedmon clone. Which wouldn't be that bad!

[BackHome]

The only reason I watched was to see how he would play. He didn’t play Costello started and was suprised how smart and good he was just wish he was a little taller. As far as the Bull he is like Murray to an extent talented but needs playing time and bulk up. Hopefully he gets playing time and grows to his potential

[John B]

He has outside shooting, but his release is a little low. I’ve seen them get blocked. But he can defend the post, a rebounder, shot blocker and can out sprint everyone every time on fast breaks. He seems to have a good attitude. Spurs can use him

[jyra]

Game is about to tip off if you are bored: https://www.facebook.com/nbagleague/videos/10155615663885289/

[Chinook]

OH SHIT!

[Robz4000]

OH SHIT!

What?

[jyra]

Blossomgame hit a nice game winning alley-oop layup.

[Chinook]

What?

What jyra said. Crazy comeback with Blossom going from goat to hero in a short period of time.

[Robz4000]

Cool

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Awesome game winner. Refs were laughable.

[Phenomanul]

Austin Spurs


POS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
+/-
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
PF
STL
TO
BS
BA
PTS


Darrun
Hilliard
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/darrun-hilliard/) 24
F
32
5-14
2-5
7-8
7
0
2
2
2
1
1
7
0
1
19


Jaron
Blossomgame
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jaron-blossomgame/) 15
F
20
4-8
0-0
0-0
-3
0
4
4
0
2
1
1
0
1
8


Matt
Costello
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/matt-costello/) 10
C
27
4-7
0-1
2-2
-4
2
3
5
3
5
2
2
2
1
10


Olivier
Hanlan
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/olivier-hanlan/) 7
G
37
8-14
3-6
8-8
3
3
1
4
5
3
0
2
0
1
27


Nick
Johnson
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/nick-johnson/) 14
G
32
5-12
1-4
2-3
-4
0
1
1
2
3
1
2
0
1
13


Daniel
Alexander
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/daniel-alexander/) 22

14
1-2
1-1
0-0
11
0
3
3
1
1
1
1
0
0
3


Jeff
Ledbetter
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jeff-ledbetter/) 8

28
9-12
8-9
0-0
15
2
0
2
3
2
3
1
0
1
26


Amida
Brimah
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/amida-brimah/) 37

10
2-2
0-0
0-0
8
2
1
3
1
5
0
1
0
0
4


Julian
Washburn
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/julian-washburn/) 25

19
0-4
0-1
0-0
6
0
4
4
0
1
0
2
1
2
0


Livio
Jean-Charles
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/livio-jean-charles/) 17

12
0-2
0-0
0-2
-3
1
3
4
0
2
1
0
0
0
0


Jordan
Green
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jordan-green/) 18

3
0-0
0-0
1-2
-1
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
1


Tucker
Haymond
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/tucker-haymond/) 19
DNP - Coach's Decision


Total
-
-
38-77
15-27
20-25
-
11
22
33
17
25
10
19
3
8
111


Percentages

49%
56%
80%















http://gleague.nba.com/games/20171108/ausrgv/


Hilliard's TO rate has unfortunately carried over to his stint with SAS.

[raybies]

Another awesome performance by Hanlan, the rightful owner of that two way.

[jyra]

So what are chances of seeing the front office replace any of the two way players? I not getting my hopes up but the deadline for signing two way contracts is January 15th. Hilliard has been bad and Costello hasn't even made it past one appearance so far. If he can't even get spot minutes with Lauvergne playing like trash there's no point in keeping him around.

I kind of like Landry Nnoko. I remember him playing some decent defense in his Summer League stint. He seems like a solid defensive center who isn't completely useless on the other end. I don't expect a rotation player to show up but it would be nice to have someone who can at least challenge Lauvergne for spot minutes.

[Chinook]

Pop is saving Costello. Dude was fine with the Spurs and very good with the Toros. Hillard has been about as good as a two-way guy should be expected to be. I don't see any reason to replace either now.

[jyra]

Saving Costello for what exactly? Just to be clear those 45 days are counted as games played right? We are at the half way mark of the season so he should be able to play in every single remaining game if needed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hilliard has a negative PER (yeah PER sucks but that's usually a bad sign) and his defense hasn't been much better for a guy who is supposed to be solid on that end. I don't want to judge him prematurely but he has shown nothing so far.

[Chinook]

Saving Costello for what exactly? Just to be clear those 45 days are counted as games played right? We are at the half way mark of the season so he should be able to play in every single remaining game if needed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hilliard has a negative PER (yeah PER sucks but that's usually a bad sign) and his defense hasn't been much better for a guy who is supposed to be solid on that end. I don't want to judge him prematurely but he has shown nothing so far.

Costello has already used a few days even though he's only played one game. It's not just games; it's technically any day they are with the team, so road trips would likely include all the days the team is gone, for example.

[jyra]

I see. So he is just injury insurance at this point, that's a shame.

[ace3g]

Recent production of Blossomgame



Match Up
W/L
MIN
PTS
FGM
FGA
FG%
3PM
3PA
3P%
FTM
FTA
FT%
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
+/-


JAN 15, 2018 - AUS @ MNE (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700302)
L
35
17
7
14
50.0
1
2
50.0
2
2
100
0
3
3
2
2
1
1
2
-12


JAN 12, 2018 - AUS vs. WIS (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700640)
L
36
14
5
14
35.7
1
4
25.0
3
3
100
4
3
7
2
1
0
2
1
-1


JAN 10, 2018 - AUS @ WCB (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700627)
W
33
26
7
10
70.0
1
2
50.0
11
13
84.6
0
6
6
0
1
0
2
4
5


JAN 07, 2018 - AUS @ WES (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700315)
L
34
18
7
11
63.6
2
3
66.7
2
2
100
1
12
13
0
1
0
2
3
-4


JAN 02, 2018 - AUS @ LIN (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700284)
W
26
11
5
10
50.0
1
3
33.3
0
0
0.0
1
7
8
1
1
0
1
0
1


DEC 31, 2017 - AUS @ RAP (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700280)
L
31
18
7
13
53.8
0
1
0.0
4
4
100
2
2
4
1
0
1
1
1
-7


DEC 28, 2017 - AUS vs. LAK (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700264)
W
29
18
8
13
61.5
0
1
0.0
2
3
66.7
4
6
10
0
0
1
1
2
7


DEC 22, 2017 - AUS @ MHU (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700240)
W
23
20
9
12
75.0
0
1
0.0
2
2
100
1
1
2
2
1
0
2
1
16


DEC 21, 2017 - AUS vs. ACC (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700235)
L
27
21
8
10
80.0
3
4
75.0
2
3
66.7
0
4
4
2
1
1
2
2
-2


DEC 17, 2017 - AUS vs. CTN (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700217)
W
30
11
5
9
55.6
0
0
0.0
1
2
50.0
3
10
13
0
1
1
1
2
-10


DEC 15, 2017 - AUS vs. RGV (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700205)
W
31
16
7
11
63.6
0
0
0.0
2
2
100
2
5
7
3
1
1
1
0
18


DEC 10, 2017 - AUS vs. SCW (http://stats.gleague.nba.com/game/#!/2021700181)
W
23
13
6
13
46.2
0
2
0.0
1
1
100
3
4
7
0
0
0
1
0
10







AGE
GP
GS
MIN
PTS
FGM
FGA
FG%
3PM
3PA
3P%
FTM
FTA
FT%
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF


2017-18 Season:
24
27
26
29.5
15.9
6.6
12.1
0.544
0.6
1.6
0.372
2.1
2.7
0.778
2.2
5.7
7.9
1.3
1
0.3
1.4
1.8


Career:

27
26
29.5
15.9
6.6
12.1
0.544
0.6
1.6
0.372
2.1
2.7
0.778
2.2
5.7
7.9
1.3
1
0.3
1.4
1.8

[ace3g]

954170576746307586

[LittleCriminal]

954170576746307586

Need to call him up already..
Get rid of Anderson.

[ace3g]

Spurs win 113-105


USTIN SPURS


POS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
+/-
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
PF
STL
TO
BS
BA
PTS


Jaron
Blossomgame
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jaron-blossomgame/)15
F
30
9-15
0-2
3-4
20
4
8
12
2
2
1
3
0
0
21





http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180118/NASAUS/

[palangi]

I'd like to see Blossomgame, Brihma, and Hilliard called up.

[palangi]

https://youtu.be/5IqCcy1CfRY

[Chinook]

Blossom needs to get more defensive stats. His offense isn't superlative enough to be NBA-caliber yet. The rebounding is really nice, but he needs the blocks and steals to go along with them, or else he's an awkward niche player. He's not an elite athlete either.

[palangi]

I can't tell if you are talking about Jaron Blossomgame or Danny green? Your irreplaceable player.
Sure he doesn't get blocks like green but he does rebound (you can't down play this) much better than green. He is getting steals at an equal rate to green. But here is a huge difference... Blossomgame can dribble and make layups!

And I bet you would see his blocks go up if he was playing SF/SG and not just PF like he is in Austin.

[r0drig0lac]

he is certainly more "ready" for the NBA, than half of the current roster, for the simple fact of having athletics and size of a real basketball player

[ace3g]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p50x50/18582109_10154550792451981_3337283270445994170_n.p ng?oh=f43fd6eca7fc8b4d417c2eaca6d680e8&oe=5AE0AA0B
(https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/?ref=nf&hc_ref=ARSqiogcxtuPTBMirusWdrV25qAivPD9thI2Q1WccM1 Lw-IKYE2PiR61jhsyaJZz6MY)

San Antonio Spurs (https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/?hc_ref=ARQnr1bCSUISjiMUU7iCHhd7OVqXmIf58hSgrc3Cyx 8ex8gRjBBPmG7RKaQeoMStLJU&fref=nf)21 mins ·






Spurs have assigned Brandon Paul & Derrick White to the Austin Spurs (https://www.facebook.com/austinspurs/?fref=mentions). Both will be available for tonight's game against Grand Rapids - watch it at 7 on Fox Sports Southwest (https://www.facebook.com/FOXSportsSouthwest/?fref=mentions).

[ace3g]

AUS Spurs won 124-83 tonight

Austin Spurs


POS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
+/-
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
PF
STL
TO
BS
BA
PTS


Derrick
White
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/derrick-white/) 4
F
26
6-15
1-6
8-8
13
1
5
6
5
1
1
1
0
1
21


Jaron
Blossomgame
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jaron-blossomgame/) 15
F
22
7-12
0-1
1-3
6
1
4
5
0
1
0
0
1
0
15


Livio
Jean-Charles
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/livio-jean-charles/) 17
C
23
4-9
0-0
0-0
5
2
6
8
0
5
0
3
0
0
8


Olivier
Hanlan
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/olivier-hanlan/) 7
G
28
9-17
4-5
3-3
30
0
3
3
2
2
0
0
0
1
25


Nick
Johnson
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/nick-johnson/) 14
G
26
1-7
0-0
3-4
19
3
3
6
4
0
1
1
1
2
5


Amida
Brimah
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/amida-brimah/) 37

24
1-2
0-0
0-0
34
4
4
8
1
4
0
3
0
0
2


Julian
Washburn
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/julian-washburn/) 25

26
5-8
3-6
0-0
36
2
8
10
4
0
0
2
0
0
13


Jeff
Ledbetter
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jeff-ledbetter/) 8

26
8-15
4-9
0-1
15
1
4
5
6
2
3
2
0
0
20


Tucker
Haymond
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/tucker-haymond/) 19

12
2-5
2-3
0-0
13
0
0
0
4
4
2
1
0
0
6


Jordan
Green
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jordan-green/) 18

15
2-3
0-1
2-4
23
0
0
0
3
1
2
1
0
0
6


Daniel
Alexander
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/daniel-alexander/) 22

6
1-1
0-0
1-1
11
0
2
2
0
2
0
1
0
0
3


Matt
Costello
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/matt-costello/) 10
DNP - Coach's Decision


Darrun
Hilliard
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/darrun-hilliard/) 24
DNP - Coach's Decision


Total
-
-
46-94
14-31
18-24
-
14
39
53
29
22
9
15
2
4
124


Percentages

49%
45%
75%

[Chinook]

White needs extended time in the d-league so we can see what they have in him. That's a decent but not great line from him. He should be almost threatening a triple-double there by the time he's an NBA-caliber rotation player. As I've said before, I really would like see Blossomgame pick up more defensive stats with the Toros. He's not making in the NBA on his offense alone. Hanlan has been pretty streaky this season. It's a damned shame he has not path at all to a rotation spot. He'd be a good Forbes replacement next season.

[SAGirl]

I haven’t watched these games but noticed that apparently Spurs have White playing the 3, as a wing and not a PG... makes sense with Pop committing to Murray/Parker/Mills that they are moving White to the wings, Hmm

[Snaq O'Meal]

I haven’t watched these games but noticed that apparently Spurs have White playing the 3, as a wing and not a PG... makes sense with Pop committing to Murray/Parker/Mills that they are moving White to the wings, Hmm

White is not even big enough to guard NBA 2s, though he’d make a good combo guard.

Poop’s midget fetish has gone too far.

[r0drig0lac]

I haven’t watched these games but noticed that apparently Spurs have White playing the 3, as a wing and not a PG... makes sense with Pop committing to Murray/Parker/Mills that they are moving White to the wings, Hmm

microball,Pop going against basketball logic

only player less than 6'6 '' in gsw is the greatest shooter of all time, the best team of the 80's had Magic (6'9 '') Whorty (6'9 '') AC Green (6'9 ") and KAJ (7'2") in his s5 and Spurs with a bunch of dwarves that can be explored by intelligent and athletic teams

[exstatic]

I'd like to see Blossomgame, Brihma, and Hilliard called up.

They have a full roster of 15, plus their 2 two way contracts. They can’t call up anyone but Hilliard and Costello with cutting someone, and they’re not cutting someone for a look-see.

[exstatic]

I see. So he is just injury insurance at this point, that's a shame.

The perspective is that the two way contracts are your 16th and 17th man, and no other team wanted them on their roster this year. Don’t expect anything.

[exstatic]

I can't tell if you are talking about Jaron Blossomgame or Danny green? Your irreplaceable player.
Sure he doesn't get blocks like green but he does rebound (you can't down play this) much better than green. He is getting steals at an equal rate to green. But here is a huge difference... Blossomgame can dribble and make layups!

And I bet you would see his blocks go up if he was playing SF/SG and not just PF like he is in Austin.

He’s doing all that in the frikkin g-league, which is probably below NCAA competition. Danny Green was a god in the d-league.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/g/greenda01d.html

[SAGirl]

With the gleague expanding teams so quickly I have wondered if the talent level aside from the 2 way contracts and assignments, is watered down.

[TimDunkem]

With the gleague expanding teams so quickly I have wondered if the talent level aside from the 2 way contracts and assignments, is watered down.

I'd think that it's getting better considering guys are more amenable nowadays to actually playing in that league rather than going overseas.

[exstatic]

I'd think that it's getting better considering guys are more amenable nowadays to actually playing in that league rather than going overseas.

I disagree. The g-league is really only beneficial if you think you have a shot THIS YEAR. The money and competitive level are FAR higher in Europe. Standard g-league money is like 30K. You can easily make ten times that much in Europe, and the competition is better. If you’re not on a teams radar, the best way to get there is Europe. They’ll actually coach you, teach you, and play you in the second best league in the world, if you make Euroleague. Even Eurocup is better competition than the g-league.

[spurraider21]

White needs extended time in the d-league so we can see what they have in him. That's a decent but not great line from him. He should be almost threatening a triple-double there by the time he's an NBA-caliber rotation player. As I've said before, I really would like see Blossomgame pick up more defensive stats with the Toros. He's not making in the NBA on his offense alone. Hanlan has been pretty streaky this season. It's a damned shame he has not path at all to a rotation spot. He'd be a good Forbes replacement next season.
i dont think we need a forbes replacement. he's already redundant with mills... and they'll try to give white a shot at minutes at the 2

[Chinook]

i dont think we need a forbes replacement. he's already redundant with mills... and they'll try to give white a shot at minutes at the 2

I don't think we'll see all five of the top guards back next season. But even if they do have them all, Forbes walking and Paul being a possible cut makes getting another guard a good play. Hanlan wouldn't cost a pick and is under team control for three years. I think they could lock him in for a Neal-like deal and have him through the ends of everyone's contracts. One of the team's big problems recently is that they haven't been able to keep players who are outside their top 10 for more than two seasons. That's made "next man up" significantly harder. If you have a chance to get long-term deals for cheap players with upside and marketable skills, you do it and let everything sort itself out later.

[TimDunkem]

I disagree. The g-league is really only beneficial if you think you have a shot THIS YEAR. The money and competitive level are FAR higher in Europe. Standard g-league money is like 30K. You can easily make ten times that much in Europe, and the competition is better. If you’re not on a teams radar, the best way to get there is Europe. They’ll actually coach you, teach you, and play you in the second best league in the world, if you make Euroleague. Even Eurocup is better competition than the g-league.

I mean in general guys are not completely adverse to playing in the G-League now. Guys don't see it as much of a joke as before so the league is picking up more of that talent.

[spurraider21]

I don't think we'll see all five of the top guards back next season. But even if they do have them all, Forbes walking and Paul being a possible cut makes getting another guard a good play. Hanlan wouldn't cost a pick and is under team control for three years. I think they could lock him in for a Neal-like deal and have him through the ends of everyone's contracts. One of the team's big problems recently is that they haven't been able to keep players who are outside their top 10 for more than two seasons. That's made "next man up" significantly harder. If you have a chance to get long-term deals for cheap players with upside and marketable skills, you do it and let everything sort itself out later.
when the "next man up" is an undersized shooter, i'm not terribly worried about finding the next one

[Pavlov]

Just saw some highlights of the last game in Utah. White's work with Brimah is encouraging for both players.

Wprg7erjfIk

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INSA_kMVevM

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QEKtY2lpKQ

[sasaint]

i dont think we need a forbes replacement. he's already redundant with mills... and they'll try to give white a shot at minutes at the 2

More like top 8, which means we are constantly bringing in new faces to be regular rotation guys.

[SAGirl]

Just saw some highlights of the last game in Utah. White's work with Brimah is encouraging for both players.

Wprg7erjfIk
Nice looking jumper and better finishes in the paint than Dijon who has no touch around the rim when he's contested. I don't know how much of that he can translate but he looked good.

[Hoops Czar]

Next Toros game tomorrow night against the Sacramento Kings at the AT&T Center.

[sasaint]

Nice looking jumper and better finishes in the paint than Dijon who has no touch around the rim when he's contested. I don't know how much of that he can translate but he looked good.

Seems to me that Dijon's touch around the rim - even when contested - is one of the better aspects of his game.

[SAGirl]

Seems to me that Dijon's touch around the rim - even when contested - is one of the better aspects of his game.
Still not very good. most if his baskets are hustle plays, transition baskets or o boards. In the Cavs game he was wide open under the rim since IThomas was "guarding" him. His floater is kind of an adventure. But in comparison to his jumper....

[Chinook]

Seems to me that Dijon's touch around the rim - even when contested - is one of the better aspects of his game.

Seems like a grave insult to Murray.

[sasaint]

Seems like a grave insult to Murray.

Haha! It is what it is. His game in toto is just wildly inconsistent - except for rebounding. I think there is almost as good a chance that he will grow by 6" and 80 lbs into a PF as there is he will develop an NBA PG's skills.

[ace3g]

Spurs beat the Warriors!!!

http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180128/AUSSCW/

[sasaint]

Spurs beat the Warriors!!!

http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180128/AUSSCW/

Man, are we struggling to find things to celebrate this season!

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs beat the Warriors!!!

http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180128/AUSSCW/

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/lobt2.gif

[Snaq O'Meal]

Spurs beat the Warriors!!!

http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180128/AUSSCW/

Good game from LJC too.

[palangi]

I'd like to see the Brimah kid brought up and used like Capela. He is looking athletic and a great shot blocker.

[jyra]

I'd like to see the Brimah kid brought up and used like Capela. He is looking athletic and a great shot blocker.

Don't get your hopes up too high. Capela is playing his 4th season as a NBA player and he is still younger than Brimah by a couple of months. You can't reasonably expect Brimah to catch up on that development time any time soon.

[objective]

I finally saw a full game, I'm in board the Brimah express.

Call him up. It's too bad the deadline for adding two way players has passed. I don't see any NBA future for Hilliard.

[Chinook]

I finally saw a full game, I'm in board the Brimah express.

Call him up. It's too bad the deadline for adding two way players has passed. I don't see any NBA future for Hilliard.

He was an odd signing. The Spurs clearly seem to be using the two-ways in a different way than I think they were intended, and it kind of sucks. I thought the contracts were supposed to be a way to keep prospects in the States rather than having them go overseas. But the team is just using the contracts as 16th and 17th men while having guys like Hanlan and Blossomgame on d-league deals. The league and union likely agreed to this to get around situations like Cady and Huestis (not that the latter could have signed a two-way deal anyway). I have no idea why Jaron's and Olivier's agents didn't push for the bigger deals. But SA has always been underratedly shitty when it comes to contracts.

[objective]

Other teams have 2017 second rounders on two-ways, I see no good reason to keep Blossomgame in poverty on g-league wages. Hanlon I don't care about, he was just the necessary flotsam to get Diaw off the books.

[Pavlov]

Blossomgame agreed to this. He could've forced his tender offer last fall had he wanted it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Brimah continues to dominate the league in blocks. Bring his ass up and cut Joff

[spurraider21]

Don't get your hopes up too high. Capela is playing his 4th season as a NBA player and he is still younger than Brimah by a couple of months. You can't reasonably expect Brimah to catch up on that development time any time soon.
he's about to turn 24. he doesn't have to match Capela (a good starting center) in order to help our squad (as a reserve center). i mean, if he can give us some of what dedmon did, that would still be a massive upgrade to joff...

[Chinook]

Other teams have 2017 second rounders on two-ways, I see no good reason to keep Blossomgame in poverty on g-league wages. Hanlon I don't care about, he was just the necessary flotsam to get Diaw off the books.

I'm not sure Hanlan was considered flotsam by PATFO. He was a mid-second-rounder. The Jazz could have easily given a top-55 protected pick instead like Atlanta did. I'd go as far as to say the Spurs cared more about Hanlan than they did about Blossomgame.

[objective]

I'm not sure Hanlan was considered flotsam by PATFO. He was a mid-second-rounder. The Jazz could have easily given a top-55 protected pick instead like Atlanta did. I'd go as far as to say the Spurs cared more about Hanlan than they did about Blossomgame.

If the Spurs do like him that much I don't see why. He seems like a decent player for Europe, nothing remarkable about him to make him NBA caliber.

[objective]

I would support cutting or trading Brandon Paul with someone else to make room for Brimah.

[ceperez]

I would support cutting or trading Brandon Paul with someone else to make room for Brimah.

Couldn't we just unload Costelo or Hillard for Brimah? Both these two are redundant.

[Chinook]

Couldn't we just unload Costelo or Hillard for Brimah? Both these two are redundant.

Nah. The deadline for two-way deals has passed. Before that, yes.

[ceperez]

Nah. The deadline for two-way deals has passed. Before that, yes.

I've never understood though the two signings. I guess Hillard is a Manu sub (being a left and the same size). But who does Costello replace, isn't he just a sub for Lauverne?

[Keepin' it real]

When is Cady Lalanne going to get his shot at stardom? His time is now!

[SAGirl]

I'm not sure Hanlan was considered flotsam by PATFO. He was a mid-second-rounder. The Jazz could have easily given a top-55 protected pick instead like Atlanta did. I'd go as far as to say the Spurs cared more about Hanlan than they did about Blossomgame.
They certainly have been taking flyer after flyer on guards... I lt wouldn’t surprise if they had genuine interest in Hanlan, they also traded for Ray MacCallum once.

Nothing for it against Hanlan. Don’t know what chances he really has above Hilliard. Any chance they sign Hilliard in the offseason? I have wondered about the destiny of these prospects some specially in light of the potential Kiwi supermax

[ace3g]

Spurs win again.

http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180129/AUSRNO/

[LittleCriminal]

Spurs win again.

http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180129/AUSRNO/

Need to call up Blossomegame!!
Get rid of Anderson!!

[BackHome]

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I was worried about him at the beginning of the season he wasn’t getting much playing but that has slowly changed. One huge reason we could see his numbers go up is that White does a great job of getting into the paint and handing nice passes for easy dunks. Well I shouldn’t say easy as you know how many Spurs players have screwed that up Errors , Paul ext. I agree he is going to need another year of gaining muscle him and Murray better be lifting pals this whole summer. Take some damn protein shakes and Creatin for Gods sake. But I think he can make the team as far as getting some playing time next season I do love his blocking ability

i would also also have to say that Castillo has played good and is a better rebounder and in all honesty he is better then LVg. The only problem he has is his height I think he is 6”9 or “10. Which is to small

[jyra]

LJC is showing some signs of life in these last couple of games, strong rebounding and improved touch on mid range shots. He has played as the starting C in the games where Costello is not with the team.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S8jxuNPh10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgZcwQ2W5og

Brimah also with another good outing: 7-7 from the field, 6 blocks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxV59Rnx_Yk

[CGD]

^

Livio looking legit. Finally appears more confident and comfortable out there. Glad to see him letting his midranger fly again too.

[BackHome]

I am loving what White is doing which is getting easy shots for his team mates. He is going to be good he understands the game and he feeds guys when they are hot the Toros bigs got to love him.

suprised to see Luvio and Brimah playing so we’ll together add White and Hanlan and that is starting to be a very good team.

[Atl Spur]

I think the Spurs really like white; he’s a true point guard

[Ice009]

Why is the heck is White not getting any court time for the Spurs.

I've seen enough of the trash Pop is trying to play. I don't give a shit if he's a rookie. Play the man.

[objective]

Why is the heck is White not getting any court time for the Spurs.

I've seen enough of the trash Pop is trying to play. I don't give a shit if he's a rookie. Play the man.

It's a good question.

White isn't that big, but at least he's not a hobbit like the other scrubs Pop is rolling out

[Pavlov]

^

Livio looking legit. Finally appears more confident and comfortable out there. Glad to see him letting his midranger fly again too.Livio is actually moving like a basketball player again. Looked like a senior citizen out there for so long. There's a notable spring in everything he does.

Seeing Brimah's speed on that last fastbreak was great. Wouldn't be surprised to see both of them in camp next fall if Brimah isn't scooped up by some other team.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Why is the heck is White not getting any court time for the Spurs.

I've seen enough of the trash Pop is trying to play. I don't give a shit if he's a rookie. Play the man.

Because Poop loves his hobbits. Especially when paid $50 million to hoist up bricks.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I am loving what White is doing which is getting easy shots for his team mates. He is going to be good he understands the game and he feeds guys when they are hot the Toros bigs got to love him.

suprised to see Luvio and Brimah playing so we’ll together add White and Hanlan and that is starting to be a very good team.

This Austin Spurs team may even be good enough to beat that other Spurs team with midget lineups.

[Pavlov]

This Austin Spurs team may even be good enough to beat that other Spurs team with midget lineups.Oh god no. One of Gasol/LMA and the shortest players on the team for the rest would annihilate the Toros.

[palangi]

It's a good question.

White isn't that big, but at least he's not a hobbit like the other scrubs Pop is rolling out

White is 6'4" how is that not very big?

[objective]

Something I like about Brimah is he is willing and able to make competent NBA passes. He's not a Yinka Dare or Whiteside like a lot of fringe bigs.

[objective]

White is 6'4" how is that not very big?

As far as a shooting guard, which is what he would play if Pop played 48 minutes of Murray and Parker. Green is 6-6, Manu 6-6, Simmons was 6-6, etc etc.

And with his tall hair and Kyle-sized head, i don't buy him as a big 6-4, but a small 6-4.

[palangi]

As far as a shooting guard, which is what he would play if Pop played 48 minutes of Murray and Parker. Green is 6-6, Manu 6-6, Simmons was 6-6, etc etc.

And with his tall hair and Kyle-sized head, i don't buy him as a big 6-4, but a small 6-4.

Well he measured 6'4.5" with a 6'8" wingspan. Plenty big enough

[BackHome]

Isn’t he a PG? But yeah Pop got to figure out what he is going to do with all of these PG/SG.

Tony - Clearly no longer starter material but still a decent savvy vet
Mills - A small SG who game is only three ball who has a big contract but a good character guy but a bad defender
Forbes - Another small SG who has a good three ball and decent handles with a mid range game so so defender
Murray - Is the exact opposite of the top three very athletic great rebounder but a terrible shooter also very good defender

White - I think he has very good ball handling skills second only to tony he I think a better passer and creator at this point. I think he is can get minutes at PG or SG but I would play him at PG.

[Ocotillo]

^^ A White/Murray backcourt would be interesting. They would make a lot of mistakes since they are youngs but they do have size and either can bring the ball up. White is starting to get love here simply because he really is unknown compared to Tony/Patty/Bryn/DJ.

[Chinook]

^^ A White/Murray backcourt would be interesting. They would make a lot of mistakes since they are youngs but they do have size and either can bring the ball up. White is starting to get love here simply because he really is unknown compared to Tony/Patty/Bryn/DJ.

And White has a reputation for being a scoring guard who can hold his own on D (All-Defense for his conference in college). Plus RC apparently said they think he has high athletic potential, which makes him an exciting player to add to the rotation.

[MaNu4Tres]

And White has a reputation for being a scoring guard who can hold his own on D (All-Defense for his conference in college). Plus RC apparently said they think he has high athletic potential, which makes him an exciting player to add to the rotation.

I'd prefer White play over Patty right now fwiw.

I've been very impressed with his play as of late and as of right now, I think he could offer more overall than either Patty or Tony -- on both ends.

[BackHome]

The problem is you got 50 million then sitting on the bench but yeah I agree the sooner Pop gives the the keys to Murray and White the sooner we get to the promise land. That’s why I Like is trying to get the Herzl kid in New York so we have a good backup for LMA/Gasol and we can bring in our foreign Center next year or the year after

[sasaint]

Blossomgame will be the real deal sooner than later. He will be a rotation player in SA next season.

[BackHome]

Not sold on Blossom yet he has good games but not put anything back to back still needs to work on his shooting. I think he will need another year to improve before he can make the leap.

The guy that most suprised me is Livio he had had great back to back games and I am talking the whole thing scoring, rebounding, and even assist he looks like a new man. I wonder if his and Brimah recent sucess can be attributed to White being such a great facilitator?

[BackHome]

Not sold on Blossom yet he has good games but not put anything back to back still needs to work on his shooting. I think he will need another year to improve before he can make the leap.

Blossom had a very good game tonight against a good team will like to see if he can carry this over to next game

The guy that most suprised me is Livio he had had great back to back games and I am talking the whole thing scoring, rebounding, and even assist he looks like a new man. I wonder if his and Brimah recent sucess can be attributed to White being such a great facilitator?

Livio continues his streak of 20+ points and a good job of rebounding today he is starting to get my hopes up talk about a late bloomer

[exstatic]

Need to call up Blossomegame!!
Get rid of Anderson!!

You’re funny. Kyle Anderson was a Dleague god. He averaged 20/5/5 one year. JB’s numbers aren’t close to that. What makes you think he’ll be any better in the NBA than Kyle is?

[Chinook]

I still haven't quite figured out how Livio didn't get a two-way, though to be fair, he would have been third in my line after Hanlan and Blossomgame. The Spurs no longer have his rights, so it's not like they'd lose anything by having him sitting on the bench over Costello (who is also a good player btb). It seems pretty clear that LJC and the Spurs worked something out there they'd waive him while keeping him in the d-league for the time his guaranteed money ran. If that's the case, then it would have just made sense to make that assignment official by giving him the two-way designation. Hopefully, if Livio is in the team's long-term plans, they get to sign him rather than him being poached.

Incidentally, a lot of the highlights have him referred to as a "seven-footer". LJC was listed at 6-8/6-9 during the draft, so did he grow, or are people just getting more blatant rounding up heights? The former would not surprise me, as LJC is deceptively young. To put it into perspective, Livio is younger than Forbes and less than a year older than White and Blossomgame. By no means is he too old to be in Pop's plans.

[ace3g]

Spurs lost yesterday:

Austin Spurs


POS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
+/-
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
PF
STL
TO
BS
BA
PTS


Jordan
Green
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jordan-green/) 18
F
26
5-6
0-1
3-4
9
1
4
5
1
1
2
3
1
0
13


Jaron
Blossomgame
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jaron-blossomgame/) 15
F
28
8-16
0-1
4-5
16
1
6
7
2
3
1
0
1
0
20


Livio
Jean-Charles
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/livio-jean-charles/) 17
C
27
6-10
0-0
0-0
3
1
2
3
4
0
1
0
2
1
12


Olivier
Hanlan
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/olivier-hanlan/) 7
G
33
3-9
2-4
4-6
-19
1
2
3
4
4
2
2
0
2
12


Nick
Johnson
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/nick-johnson/) 14
G
32
5-13
1-5
3-4
16
1
0
1
8
3
2
3
0
0
14


Jeff
Ledbetter
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/jeff-ledbetter/) 8

29
7-15
3-10
6-7
-18
1
0
1
2
3
4
4
1
1
23


Amida
Brimah
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/amida-brimah/) 37

24
1-4
0-0
0-2
-16
0
7
7
0
3
0
3
4
1
2


Julian
Washburn
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/julian-washburn/) 25

24
0-2
0-2
0-0
-25
1
2
3
0
2
1
2
0
0
0


Tucker
Haymond
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/tucker-haymond/) 19

10
1-3
0-0
0-2
-19
0
2
2
0
2
0
1
0
1
2


Daniel
Alexander
(http://gleague.nba.com/player/daniel-alexander/) 22

2
0-2
0-1
0-0
-2
1
1
2
1
1
0
0
0
2
0


Total
-
-
36-80
6-24
20-30
-
8
26
34
22
22
13
18
9
8
98


Percentages

45%
25%
67%








http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180210/AUSRGV/

[Chinook]

Livio still had a strong game.

[SAGirl]

Livio still had a strong game.
He reminds me of the bruno caboclo draft. Size athleticism and lenght plus very young when drafted but he was "2 years away from being 2years away".

Like Bruno, perhaps they are still young enough that maybe they can be a late bloomer.

He appears to be playing better than last year. He needs to get on team's radars with a good summer league showing.

[duncan2150]

The difference with caboclo, correct me if i’m Wrong, is that Livio was killed by his acl injury. He lost his athletism wich was one of his biggest strenght.

He seems to refind his physical tools.

[Pavlov]

The difference with caboclo, correct me if i’m Wrong, is that Livio was killed by his acl injury. He lost his athletism wich was one of his biggest strenght.

He seems to refind his physical tools.You are correct. Livio looked like an old man on the court until recently. Kudos to him for sticking it out.

In other news, Brimah turned 24 today.

[BackHome]

Another good game from Livio 27 minutes 13 rebounds and 19 puts. Toros Win.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5N5x-zvKEw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hFUrqiRmkk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH2s-Cqc1-c

[TD 21]

:lmao At this archaic organization. I click on Jean-Charles' name, get linked to his profile page and click on his most recent highlights and what do I see? Him repeatedly spacing to 18-20 instead of 3 and jacking long mid rangers like Parker, Anderson, Aldridge, etc. This organization refuses to get with the times.

[TheDoctor]

963560458526580736

[objective]

Seeing some posts on Twitter and Youtube that claim that Amida Brimah is joining Partizan.

Guess we'll see. But no point in hanging around the Spurs for that G-League money when he knows no he won't get a 10 day from the Patty Spurs. Might as well go make what he can and showcase for the other Euro teams.

[r0drig0lac]

Seeing some posts on Twitter and Youtube that claim that Amida Brimah is joining Partizan.

Guess we'll see. But no point in hanging around the Spurs for that G-League money when he knows no he won't get a 10 day from the Patty Spurs. Might as well go make what he can and showcase for the other Euro teams.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/popemote.gif "relax, we have Joffrey"

[BackHome]

I was hopeful about him but he needs more seasoning I think for his career going over seas is a good option for him.

Blossom is having some good games and the kid is a great rebounder. I wonder as one poster said having Kawhi play SG and Blossom at SF would that work?

One thing I have noticed is that after Livio had several good games double digits scoring and rebounding his minutes have been reduced to about 15 a game. But while his scoring is down from obvious reduced minutes his percentage is still really good as well as rebounding.

White continues to put up 20 pats a game and it’s easy to see he belongs in the NBA and will be getting minutes next year.

[jyra]

LJC signed a two month deal with Unicaja Malaga: http://www.eurohoops.net/en/acb/638060/unicaja-malaga-officially-signed-livio-jean-charles-short-term-deal/

Decent team, currently 8th place in the ACB (lowest playoff seed), still 9 games left to play in the regular season.

His first two games were unimpressive. Not easy to adjust to a completely different style of play at this point of the season.

[SAGirl]

:tu
At least someone made it to the west conference finals: White in the gleague.
http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180402/RGVAUS/

Might the Toros have a real chance at the gleague championship this season much like CoJo back in the day?

[Chinook]

Did not know about Livio. Good for him, I guess. The Spurs tend to not let their assignees play in the d-league post-season, so we may not be seeing White participate. Dunno how the two-way guys will fare, though. Nice to see Blossom still chugging along.

[SAGirl]

Did not know about Livio. Good for him, I guess. The Spurs tend to not let their assignees play in the d-league post-season, so we may not be seeing White participate. Dunno how the two-way guys will fare, though. Nice to see Blossom still chugging along.

CoJo and Kyle both participated in the Toros postseason their rook years. Their teams were good enough to make it to the gleague postseason though.
Last season the gleague team didn't make the postseason so Forbes and Dijon didn't get that opportunity.

White played in an elimination game with the team so I think he's getting his chance.

Next April 5 is their next game and it's a single elimination game in that round too.

Only the Gleague finals are 3 games (it used to be each round was the best 2 of 3 games--a mini series, but no more). He will be done playing, even if the Toros make the finals, b4 the NBA playoffs start.

[Darius Bieber]

Turning this into a Game Thread for anyone wanting to watch Spurs basketball on a Sunday since for some reason I'm not allowed to start threads anymore.

Your AUSTIN SPURS are in the G-LEAGUE FINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




















http://gleague.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/04/905-1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KSk2Laf.jpg



Game 1: Sunday, 6 PM Central (2AM Riga), ESPNU


http://tvbtn.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/espnu-logo.jpg





Projected Starting Line-Ups





Austin Spurs
Raptors 905


Darrun Hilliard (Villanova)
Lorenzo Brown (NC State)


Derrick White (Colorado)
Aaron Best (Ryerson)


Jaron Blossomgame (Clemson)
Malcolm Miller (Holy Cross)


Julian Washburn (UTEP)
Alfonzo McKinnie (Green Bay)


Matt Costello (Michigan State)
Kennedy Meeks (North Carolina)

[LakerHater]

:wow
Derrick White

[Mr. Body]

:wow
Derrick White

Wha happen?

[LakerHater]

Wha happen?

983131974423470080

[Robz4000]

It's the G-League, but Derrick White is dominating on both sides of the ball with frightening ease.

[raybies]

he's shown the ability to excel at every level he's played with time. I think he and Murray may be the future at the one and two. Murray plays well with another ball handler and shooter. We'll see. I'm very optimistic about White.

[Russ]

Spurs win!

:flag:

[Down Under]

2 combo guards starting would make for an interesting future.

[Robz4000]

Fun game. The Austin Spurs actually look like a competent offense; they won that game with clutch ball movement and shooting while executing on defense.

[SAGirl]

Derrick going to be a champion this season.
:flag:

[Russ]

Derrick going to be a champion this season.
:flag:

Derrick White had 35 points. (I think we can count him out for Sacramento tomorrow.)

[BD24]

anyone got derrick white highlights from the game?

[bdictjames]

Derrick White seems like a smart player. Good pick-up by the Spurs staff, definitely underrated.

[Mr. Body]

White is a big threat in this environment. He can shoot anywhere and is a good pick and roll playmaker at this level. Good stuff.

[TD 21]

Even if White is the best option to start at SG, it more than likely wouldn't happen until Parker retires (not by choice, but I actually think that might be sooner than his goal of 3 more seasons) because that would leave a Mills-Parker backup back court, which makes no sense.

The thing is, this back court is so bad that there isn't a single legit starter or closer in it right now, so White should have the opportunity to play roughly 20 mpg next season and occasionally close. He might even be able to work his way up to a virtual split with Mills.

[Mr. Body]

White seems like a better playmaker than Murray. I see him as the eventual PG although not as strong defensively.

[SpursDynasty85]

Even if White is the best option to start at SG, it more than likely wouldn't happen until Parker retires (not by choice, but I actually think that might be sooner than his goal of 3 more seasons) because that would leave a Mills-Parker backup back court, which makes no sense.

The thing is, this back court is so bad that there isn't a single legit starter or closer in it right now, so White should have the opportunity to play roughly 20 mpg next season and occasionally close. He might even be able to work his way up to a virtual split with Mills.

Umm. Parker is getting like 10 min a game now. It depends on Patty. He is our starting sg and we have 50 mill invested in his contract. Then we have Danny Green. He likely is gone. Going to take a one year 15 mill deal somewhere. Forbes will likely be a bench guy next year. Hopefully they trade Mills and Gasol somehow.

[LakerHater]

Would like White, at 6'4", to hav Patty's mins

[Play Boban]

Porker would be a good spark off the bench in Austin.

[south side spur]

983131974423470080

It won’t matter to the idiots who say he’s got limited athletic ability. Eye test doesn’t go with their schtick.

[cjw]

Umm. Parker is getting like 10 min a game now. It depends on Patty. He is our starting sg and we have 50 mill invested in his contract. Then we have Danny Green. He likely is gone. Going to take a one year 15 mill deal somewhere. Forbes will likely be a bench guy next year. Hopefully they trade Mills and Gasol somehow.

Which teams have $15mm of cap space to throw at Green? Only one team (ATL) has that actual space, and only eight teams have that much space if they renounced all of their cap holds. I’m excluding the Rockets from the list as they need to pay Paul and they’ll operate over cap:

Nets - likely will find a way to $20mm of space but limited given they took on bad contracts to get prospects attached to them. I know Marks/Atkinson is an old Spurs duo and Danny is a NY guy, but just don’t see them locking him up, and instead will take on bad salaries for assets.

Kings - also will be in the $20mm range

Mags - $20mm or so as well. Cuban would love to take a swipe at Pop but think they spend on younger guys.

Sixers - best fit out there and will create a lot of space if they don’t retain Redick. But they have bigger ambitions.

Bulls - will have to retain Vonleh and Lavine, but will have space after doing so. But probably in market for a star to add to their supporting cast.

Lakers - tons of room. But we know their motives.


Could Green sign a one year deal at bigger than his $10mm option? Sure. But there isn’t a lot of money out there able to pay that kind of money, and there will be a lot of players looking for it.

[palangi]

I think Hanlan is an interesting player. He could be a solid young 3rd PG

[HarlemHeat37]

Which teams have $15mm of cap space to throw at Green? Only one team (ATL) has that actual space, and only eight teams have that much space if they renounced all of their cap holds. I’m excluding the Rockets from the list as they need to pay Paul and they’ll operate over cap:

Nets - likely will find a way to $20mm of space but limited given they took on bad contracts to get prospects attached to them. I know Marks/Atkinson is an old Spurs duo and Danny is a NY guy, but just don’t see them locking him up, and instead will take on bad salaries for assets.

Kings - also will be in the $20mm range

Mags - $20mm or so as well. Cuban would love to take a swipe at Pop but think they spend on younger guys.

Sixers - best fit out there and will create a lot of space if they don’t retain Redick. But they have bigger ambitions.

Bulls - will have to retain Vonleh and Lavine, but will have space after doing so. But probably in market for a star to add to their supporting cast.

Lakers - tons of room. But we know their motives.


Could Green sign a one year deal at bigger than his $10mm option? Sure. But there isn’t a lot of money out there able to pay that kind of money, and there will be a lot of players looking for it.

There's no way he's getting 15 this off-season, even if he has a strong playoff performances..teams won't be spending like they did the past 2 years..only way he gets more than 10 is if a team strikes out on bigger names and needs to spend like the Lakers did with Caldwell-Pope and Kings did with Hill..

[pookenstein]

anyone got derrick white highlights from the game?

PC0UogLtQe0

:bobo

[TheGreatYacht]

I think Hanlan is an interesting player. He could be a solid young 3rd PG
He's not interesting at all. He's not a PG, more like another short SG. He'll also be 26 next season.

You might be getting him confused with Darriun Hilliard, who's the 2nd best player behind White.

[raybies]

what can't this kid do?

[Snaq O'Meal]

what can't this kid do?

Get out of Poop’s doghouse.

[BackHome]

To score 35 pts in a Playoff game is pretty damn impressive and playing against a very good team. I am on White bandwagon and yeah he better be getting minutes next year on Spurs team. You can give him minutes at PG and give him minutes at SG a little bit like Manu. It’s easy to see that he was easily the best player on the court last night he is just so smooth and he has a sweet stroke.

I like that him and Murray can play together and I love both players I still think Murray will continue to improve next year. No way should they be the third our fourth string players they need to be first and second at PG. It’s a business Pop and RC do the right thing and let Tony retire and be a coach/scout/manager.

Have to add that Hillard and Johnson have had a good season and these three players are the top of the Toros talent pool.

[Mr. Body]

He has nice vision when dribbling the ball. He sees movement well and better than many players. That part was impressive. He's a far better shooter than Murray or even Parker at this point.

[BD24]

PC0UogLtQe0

:bobo
Thank you good sir

[BD24]

He has a pretty quick release. That should translate well at the next level, moves well without the ball, decent defender, good court vision, has showed some decent passing.

honestly he looks like he would be the best guard on the team if brought up. Obviously that isn’t saying a hell of a lot with our shit guard rotation. Would love to see a SL of him and Murray at the 1 and 2. Unfourtanetly we have two undersized shit stains who won’t be able to play together off the bench, so that isn’t really plausible at the moment

[SpursDynasty85]

He has a pretty quick release. That should translate well at the next level, moves well without the ball, decent defender, good court vision, has showed some decent passing.

honestly he looks like he would be the best guard on the team if brought up. Obviously that isn’t saying a hell of a lot with our shit guard rotation. Would love to see a SL of him and Murray at the 1 and 2. Unfourtanetly we have two undersized shit stains who won’t be able to play together off the bench, so that isn’t really plausible at the moment

If White does become sg, it would make a lot of sense to pay DG since it would likely mean Mills and Forbes off the bench. Have a feeling Spurs are calling Mills a legacy untraceable. Would like to trade him to pick up some size.

[Darius Bieber]

Austin Spurs more clutch than San Antonio tbh, should have Blake Ahearn take Pop’s job.

[BD24]

If White does become sg, it would make a lot of sense to pay DG since it would likely mean Mills and Forbes off the bench. Have a feeling Spurs are calling Mills a legacy untraceable. Would like to trade him to pick up some size.
A mills and DG pairing off the bench isn’t awful. Only thing is pop will have to find minutes for the old worthless turd

[cjw]

There's no way he's getting 15 this off-season, even if he has a strong playoff performances..teams won't be spending like they did the past 2 years..only way he gets more than 10 is if a team strikes out on bigger names and needs to spend like the Lakers did with Caldwell-Pope and Kings did with Hill..

Nice that there are some people around here who actually understand that this year’s market is very different than last year’s, and FA money is about to get much tighter / less movement. I also think KCP and Hill were seen as potential 2-way playmakers (probably flawed thinking) vs. Green being slightly flawed albeit very useful. And his age has to spook people from a long deal.

[Eggeye]

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[Eggeye]

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[Russ]

Looks like this series may not even be coming back to Austin.

:flag:

[loveforthegame]

Blossomgame and Hilliard have looked pretty good. White is off shooting wise but he’s running the team competently.

[Ron Swanson]

Spurs up 22 with 7 minutes left.

[Robz4000]

Toronto has completely quit. Congrats to the Austin Spurs; a lot of former and current SL Spurs prospects really stepped up tonight.

[Ron Swanson]

That alley-oop was nasty.

[Robz4000]

:wow holy shit that dunk !!!!!

[Robz4000]

Ruh-oh, benches cleared...

[Ron Swanson]

Meeks is being a bitch.

[Russ]

Well, this is just more evidence (according to some SpursTalk posters) of the utter incompetence of the Spurs' front office and their consumate inability to evaluate talent (much less compensate it appropriately).

[Ron Swanson]

Holy shit, you'd think it was Malice at the Palace II with how long they took to sort this out.

[Budkin]

Title number 2 for Austin! Way to go Spurs!

[BD24]

Even though whites shot was off glad to see that he was still contributing in other areas (6 ast, 5 rebounds, 4 steals). Excited to see him play with the big boys next year.

[r0drig0lac]

Blossomgame needs to be in SAS next season

[Pavlov]

Even though whites shot was off glad to see that he was still contributing in other areas (6 ast, 5 rebounds, 4 steals). Excited to see him play with the big boys next year.Interesting game. Stackhouse had a good initial strategy to limit White's drives and it worked as far as that went. Jeff Ledbetter, Nick Johnson and Olivier Hanlan came in and destroyed them off the bench though, combining for 47 points.

[BackHome]

I am starting to like PG Nick
Johnson he has never really dominated games but he always has about 15 pts a game with assist and always has a positive percentage. I would say he is the third best player on the team White,Hillard, Nick

[jyra]

I am starting to like PG Nick
Johnson he has never really dominated games but he always has about 15 pts a game with assist and always has a positive percentage. I would say he is the third best player on the team White,Hillard, Nick

Another SG in the body of a PG. Not sure which stats you are looking at but the guy is shooting 35.5% from the field and 35.9% from 3 for the season, that's impressively bad. His previous seasons weren't much better.

http://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/#!/203910/stats/?p=nick-johnson

[jyra]

1014890399763136512

Shame, he showed some decent growth in the G-League last season. But with Blossomgame and Metu there probably wasn't any space for him anymore.

[pad300]

1014890399763136512

Shame, he showed some decent growth in the G-League last season. But with Blossomgame and Metu there probably wasn't any space for him anymore.

Almost assuredly more money in Europe as well...

[jyra]

Almost assuredly more money in Europe as well...

Not necessarily.

He should earn more per year compared to a G-League or two-way contract but most likely still quite a bit less than a minimum NBA contract. Asvel's total budget for player salaries last season was approx. 2.7 million € (https://www.eurohoops.net/en/proa/521164/asvel-beats-limoges-upsets-favorites/).

[spurraider21]

LJC never looked like an NBA player. :cry but det one hoops summit game :cry

i have no hopes for blossomgame either. metu showing a jump shot is very intriguing though. he's a much better prospect than cady was

[Pavlov]

LJC finally looked like he was recovering his form last season. Can probably end up on a higher level Euro team. Metu looks even more promising than Bertans if he can develop his perimeter skills.

[spurraider21]

LJC finally looked like he was recovering his form last season. Can probably end up on a higher level Euro team. Metu looks even more promising than Bertans if he can develop his perimeter skills.
Bertans was only promising under the premise that he would be one of the better spot up shooters in the league given his height, quick release, and ability to move around. Not a great defender but has enough effort/athleticism to make plays here and there.

But if he's not going to be among the league leaders in 3pt%, that intrigue fades pretty quick.

[K...]

LJC never looked like an NBA player. :cry but det one hoops summit game :cry

i have no hopes for blossomgame either. metu showing a jump shot is very intriguing though. he's a much better prospect than cady was

But for catastrophic leg injury. I know you you may just be omitting small details but I hate when posters imply that players like John Charles and James Anderson were not good picks when they were good pre injury prospects. It just shows lack of empathy and ignorance

[spurraider21]

But for catastrophic leg injury. I know you you may just be omitting small details but I hate when posters imply that players like John Charles and James Anderson were not good picks when they were good pre injury prospects. It just shows lack of empathy and ignorance
lol

from what i remember it was characterized as a severe sprain. not even something like an ACL tear. which happened to bertans twice. he was drafted after a season where he put up averages like 3 points and 3 rebounds per game in the french league which isn't particularly loaded with talent.

he wasn't some hyper athletic prospect at the time he was drafted that was suddenly sapped of his athletic ability that he never recovered. he always had a good frame/wingspan and moved well for his size, but he wasn't some generational athlete. spurs wanted to go with a draft and stash at the time, and the guy wouldn't have been on the radar but for the hoops summit game

[Pavlov]

lol

from what i remember it was characterized as a severe sprain. not even something like an ACL tear.
San Antonio Spurs 2013 NBA Draft pick Livio Jean-Charles underwent surgery to repair his torn right knee ACL yesterday according to French site EuroSport.com.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_livio_jean_charles_has_surgery_to_repair_to rn_acl/s1_10012_14389484

[SAGirl]

Thanks for clearing that up. It was a long time ago but I remember he had surgery and lost a full season of his development recovering from it. Anyways wish him the best. Metu looks more promising atm.

[sasaint]

But for catastrophic leg injury. I know you you may just be omitting small details but I hate when posters imply that players like John Charles and James Anderson were not good picks when they were good pre injury prospects. It just shows lack of empathy and ignorance

James Anderson started his rookie season looking like a very good 3rd year rotational player. His injury was a serious disappointment.

[spurraider21]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_livio_jean_charles_has_surgery_to_repair_to rn_acl/s1_10012_14389484
6 month timetable from a torn ACL?

seems light

[Pavlov]

6 month timetable from a torn ACL?

seems light
Surgery, if chosen, “takes you out for the rest of the season,” and rehabilitation lasts about six to 12 months, says Teuscher, who is also a partner at the Beaumont Bone and Joint Institute and team physician for the NCAA Division I athletic teams at Lamar University in Texas.

https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2015/04/22/the-dreaded-acl-tear-and-how-to-recover

[spurraider21]

https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2015/04/22/the-dreaded-acl-tear-and-how-to-recover
i'm just speaking out of memory when it comes to pro athletes... 6 months seems extraordinarily light. the quickest acl tear recovery i can remember was adrian peterson going down late december and playing the next season on opening day. that was a little more than 8 months though

but yeah if i was wrong about livio's injury than i was wrong.

the primary point i was making is that he didnt suffer the type of injury that turned him from a great athlete into a lesser one. acl tear recoveries have become fairly standard and players dont come back worse for the wear

[BackHome]

Yeah but it still takes them time to recover also add that it takes months off their schedule of being physical fit and playing basketball. So you add that Livio was a late bloomer to basketball probably first serious injury he has ever had and then trying to make the Spurs that is a hard road to walk.

He was drafted based on that one game and to be honest he has sucked some is from injury and some he just was not ready. But I give the kid credit he is still trying to make team and even though he was not on a contract still played in Austin and to be honest he played really good. He seemed a lot more confident and was able to do multiple things as far as showing up on stats, rebounds, scoring, assist. If he can improve upon last season then it will be interesting him and Metu battling it out.

As far as White I was saying last year he should have been our PG unlike some people I won't mention names..lol

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1042457503290847233

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1053674158813577218

[Immortal Spur]

Would love to get briante Weber in the draft

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1053705131735310336

[Immortal Spur]

Averaged 50% from 3 last year. Tops in the nation

[Dejounte]

Do we really need another short shooting guard? Or is this the Spurs just giving away money?

[ace3g]

2nd round Spurs select:



Austin

Jordan Johnson
UNLV

[BackHome]

[QUOTE=Immortal Spur;9566814]Averaged 50% from 3 last year. Tops in the nation[/QUOT

High is he is a Great shooter
Low are his measurements HT: 6’4. Wingspan 6’2

Pop does giving Love to the little people - A Whiter version of Forbes.

[BackHome]

Our second round pick is a PG

High is he can score and has good handles and likes to dish the ball
Low no pun intended he is 5’11

Pop Loving himself some little people.

[Immortal Spur]

We selected Dejuan Blair

[davidbowie]

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[ace3g]

I will never forget, never got that signed jersey...

https://twitter.com/DeJuan45/status/25326405285

[davidbowie]

playblair bout to make a comeback lol

[ace3g]

Would love to get briante Weber in the draft

Looks like he wasn't part of the draft pool

https://twitter.com/DavidFurones_/status/1053412349602881536

[NASpurs]

1053726512451645441

:rollin

Can we select Gary Neal while we're at it?

P.S. Spurs selected Blair in 2009. Jesus Christ, that's almost been 10 years now.

[ace3g]

Even in G-League draft Spurs don't draft a SF, lol lol lol

[daslicer]

1053726512451645441

Wow I didn't know Dejuan grew 2 inches since he left the Spurs.

[K...]

dejuan blair is there to teach walker and murray how to play without ACL's "your knee is hurting, bitch i'm bone on bone and i'm in the game..."

[BackHome]

Fuck how stupid not to have one potential SF drafted. Fucking Pop and his love for players like Forbes, Mills, etc.

[r0drig0lac]

Fuck how stupid not to have one potential SF drafted. Fucking Pop and his love for players like Forbes, Mills, etc.

it's really weird, we have aversion to small forwards with athleticism and potential, it's almost as if we've never caught Kawhi in the biggest steal in the history of Pacers' hands

[Seventyniner]

Wow I didn't know Dejuan grew 2 inches since he left the Spurs.

Platform shoes tbh

[BillMc]

dejuan blair is there to teach walker and murray how to play without ACL's

You apparently down the pain at Whataburger.

[BillMc]

:rollin

Can we select Gary Neal while we're at it?

.

Money Mason available?

[timvp]

I'm impressed DeJuan Blair is still playing basketball at age 29. Never thought there was a chance he'd make it to 30 with no ACLs.

[Pavlov]

:lol now guys are melting down over the G-League draft.

The draft is almost irrelevant now with all the other ways to fill roster spots with better players before the draft takes place. About a third of the draft picks weren't even used and two teams didn't use any picks after the first round.

[BackHome]

This will be the first season I don’t watch any of the Toros game since no one has a chance of becoming a Spur.

[Ice009]

Why is Dejuan Blair even in the G-League draft? I thought he was playing over in China? I also thought he'd make more money over there?

[K...]

This will be the first season I don’t watch any of the Toros game since no one has a chance of becoming a Spur.

You don't think Walker will rehab there?

[BackHome]

I think the Spurs will put Walker on Ice for the remaining season. After two knee surgeries he might get a few minutes at end of G League.

[exstatic]

You don't think Walker will rehab there?

I don't think he's talking about NBA roster players, but rather players who are only on the Austin roster.

I'm not sure what his point is, though. Out of all of the years of the Toros and ASpurs, SA has groomed and developed exactly one NBA player for their own roster: Jonathon Simmons. The ASpurs function is to provide a place for NBA roster players to rehab or develop. It's not a true farm team, because most g-league players are absolute crap. It would be like if MLB had the top level farm team at the A ball level. If you're ever watching the ASpurs hoping to see a budding NBA talent who's not already on the Spurs roster, you're already wasting your time.

[exstatic]

I think the Spurs will put Walker on Ice for the remaining season. After two knee surgeries he might get a few minutes at end of G League.

Walker will be playing for SA before Thanksgiving. Meniscus trims aren't major surgery any more.

[BackHome]

Your right always like watching our draft
picks but I think Metu is going to make a case to stay on the active roster. As
far as Walker this is his second surgery on the same knee with everything that happened with KY they will be ultra conservative with his rehab. “He will NOT play in November “

Just as I was right about Josh Huestis being out for 4 months because of Jones Fracture and Yes he had surgery so even he won’t play in G League.

Damn:
Murray torn ACL
Walker Menesce Sugery
White Plantar fiscuitus tear?
Josh Huestis broken foot

And we have only played one game. OMG

[Pavlov]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqJLBkrV4AAlJO8.jpg

No Nick Johnson is a surprise. Gonna be largely the same team with a couple different guards and DeJuan.

[Immortal Spur]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqJLBkrV4AAlJO8.jpg

No Nick Johnson is a surprise. Gonna be largely the same team with a couple different guards and DeJuan.
That roster is very devoid of talent

[Degoat]

So are the spurs saving the last 2way contract to Josh Huestis?

[BackHome]

Yes.

[SAGirl]

So are the spurs saving the last 2way contract to Josh Huestis?
TBD
Apparently they are but he will not be available until late December at the earliest and coming from a Jones fracture I figure not until January, after a few GLeague games will they get a real perspective on how he's healed. Bc t the team needs help now, I don't take it for granted that he's the man. Someone else may become interesting in the GLeague instead.

[Truth4sale$]

Huestis could take Poindexter spot. The other two way needs to be a defensive minded point guard...NOW! I love Forbes and Mills effort but it's not really getting it done.

[Pavlov]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqJLBkrV4AAlJO8.jpg

No Nick Johnson is a surprise. Gonna be largely the same team with a couple different guards and DeJuan.Opening night roster:

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/10/OPENING_NIGHT_ROSTER.jpg

Yep, shuffling of the guards. Will be interesting if anyone else can play the point besides Ledbetter. There will probably be some additions from the player pool in the coming weeks. Still no sign on Johnson.

[BillMc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqJLBkrV4AAlJO8.jpg

No Nick Johnson is a surprise. Gonna be largely the same team with a couple different guards and DeJuan.

Still don't know why the Spurs have got Blair in the organization again. Is this a way of evaluating if he's still an NBA player without using a slot for the big club? Or do they somehow imagine he'll be a wise old veteran to help the young ones learn what it means to be a pro?

Weird.

[Pavlov]

Still don't know why the Spurs have got Blair in the organization again. Is this a way of evaluating if he's still an NBA player without using a slot for the big club? Or do they somehow imagine he'll be a wise old veteran to help the young ones learn what it means to be a pro?

Weird.Vets are always good to have around and won't step on young guys like Metu or Eubanks. I doubt they have any designs on his playing for the mothership, but giving him a chance to prove himself to other teams in a system he already knows is plenty.

[dbestpro]

:rollin

Can we select Gary Neal while we're at it?

P.S. Spurs selected Blair in 2009. Jesus Christ, that's almost been 10 years now.

Even though Blair is only two years older than Huestis.

[ceperez]

Interesting that the SA Spurs has only one 'two-way' player.

Two 'local tryout' guys... maybe two new J.Simms

Wait.... what does 'Affiliate' mean under Josh Huestis?

[Chinook]

Interesting that the SA Spurs has only one 'two-way' player.

Two 'local tryout' guys... maybe two new J.Simms

Wait.... what does 'Affiliate' mean under Josh Huestis?

Means Huestis signed an X-9 deal this off-season. When a guy with that kind of contract gets waived in camp, the waiving team's d-league affiliate gets dibs on signing him. Spurs waived him, Toros got to slot him in without a draft or competing with other d-league teams for his services. Affiliate contract.

[objective]

Still don't know why the Spurs have got Blair in the organization again. Is this a way of evaluating if he's still an NBA player without using a slot for the big club? Or do they somehow imagine he'll be a wise old veteran to help the young ones learn what it means to be a pro?

Weird.

I'm guessing it's just for appearances after the Kawhi debacle.

"See! We really care about our players as people first. That's why we're giving Blair another shot at his dream! Because we treat players right!"

[JeffDuncan]

Still don't know why the Spurs have got Blair in the organization again. ...

Well, he's a case study in knee injuries.

[Seventyniner]

I wonder if Blair pulled a Danny Green and begged to be given another chance? Pop has a soft spot for stuff like that.

[Pavlov]

It's a G-league slot. The Spurs aren't even paying Blair. Don't read too much into this

[Jsmoothexpress]

Julian Washburn

SF
42
10-17
3-4
0-0
2
3
2
5
0
5
1
3
0
0
23



Jaron Blossomgane

PF
38
10-15
2-2
9-10
10
1
8
9
3
2
0
2
0
0
31



Drew Eubanks

C
27
9-10
0-0
4-5
8
2
7
9
0
3
0
3
1
0
22

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pYrdyNmbys

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Blossomgame could easily do what Cunningham does. It's not like Cunningham is a good 3-point shooter and Blossomgame is stronger/more athletic.

[Chinook]

With White looking so good, and Walker back relatively soon, it does make some sense to get a forward like Blossomgame on the team. In the very least, he can fill in for Pondexter. Quincy looks to be showing his new ceiling, which isn't as bad as I worried it would be but isn't good enough to keep him over a prospect.

[SAGirl]

Austin drops a game to the Memphis Hustle.
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20181111/AUSMHU/
I didn't watch it but the Toros really have no good guards in that team it seems like.

[Truth4sale$]

Very similar to the big club, just missing the talent needed to compete in a certain position. For Austim, it is the point guard, for San Antonio it's the small forward.

[LCM]

Austin lost, White, Nick Johnson, Hilliard, ... is Hanlan even on the squad?? Ledbetter is a G league backup. Not a lot of good guard play for the Toros.

[BackHome]

Yeah I was surprised we lost Nick he was a pretty good PG

[SpursDynasty85]

Wow. Dajuan Blair is back with the Toros?

[JeffDuncan]

Wow. Dajuan Blair is back with the Toros?

Indeed he is. He's even able to play some, despite his knees grinding away bone-on-bone.