***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

I'm at 4-1 right now. So there is no need to push it with a banged up Niner team on the road, Yep, I'll probably regret it.

Off the Niners tonight.

[Malik Hairston]

Nice week, Avante..the best week I've ever seen from you, congratulations, tbh..

[chunticakes]

Well I'll be damned. Good job Avante. Too bad you cursed Wilson and Seattle tho...

[Clipper Nation]

Only took three years for the "betting expert" to put together one decent week of betting... plus he's officially turned Russell Wilson into Struggle Wilson and jinxed Seattle anyway :lol

[Avante]

Nice week, Avante..the best week I've ever seen from you, congratulations, tbh..

Thanx

Since week one....22-17 and if not for a couple bogus weather reports...24-17. I do play with real $$$$.

[Avante]

Well I'll be damned. Good job Avante. Too bad you cursed Wilson and Seattle tho...

Thanx

Wilson had a great day today, the defense is the problem.

[Avante]

Only took three years for the "betting expert" to put together one decent week of betting... plus he's officially turned Russell Wilson into Struggle Wilson and jinxed Seattle anyway :lol

Have gone 22-17 since week one, and it does get easier.

Did I jinx Russell Wilson last season, how about those Mississippi schools? Did I jinx Nick Chubb who gained over 200 yards yesterday? Did I jinx FSU last night who I picked to win?

How about keeping it real ok shorty?

Did I jinx Terrance West who gained 100 yards in his first pro game?

[Clipper Nation]

Have gone 22-17 since week one
A c*nt hair above .500 for the season is embarrassing for someone who claims to be a "betting expert" who can "hit 70%" :lol

[Avante]

A c*nt hair above .500 for the season is embarrassing for someone who claims to be a "betting expert" who can "hit 70%" :lol

Add my two bogus weather report games and it's 24-17 and it does get easier as you'll see. Anyone seriously into this is well aware of the fact the second half of any season is where those fighting for playoff spots lay it out as those out of it wish the season would end. I always do far better in the second half, as you'll see.

This is going to be fun.

[Clipper Nation]

Add my two bogus weather report games and it's 24-17 and it does get easier as you'll see. Anyone seriously into this is well aware of the fact the second half of any season is where those fighting for playoff spots lay it out as those out of it wish the season would end. I always do far better in the second half, as you'll see.

This is going to be fun.
:cry Bogus weather reports
:cry Voodoo!!!
:cry Those were Mason's picks
:cry It gets easier, I swear!
:cry This is gonna be fun, hahahaha

[Avante]

Ok, I can't ignore this "spot"

There is no team in the league that has been as potent in October(last 10 years) as the Steelers, they are 63-28SU.

They are also one of the best teams in the league on MNF. As a HF...12-7....have won 15 MNF games in a row.

The Texans are one of the worst teams in the league in any of these nights games. They have gone 0-6 on MNF ATS.

So we have one of the best MNF home teams vs one of the worst Nationally televised teams.

I'll lay the 3.5.

[Avante]

:cry Bogus weather reports
:cry Voodoo!!!
:cry Those were Mason's picks
:cry It gets easier, I swear!
:cry This is gonna be fun, hahahaha

If you can't see the difference in Mason's picks and mine, I can't help you. And when you play with real $$$$ the weather does come into play.

Dude, you work so hard at this, hahaha!!!!!! Why not read the reasons I made those plays, and it does get easier. Hell I'm proving that.

You are going to end who looking stupid-er guy, and it's going to be fun watching how you act.

Hell...

Week 8

The Bills at the Jets who have had how much time to prepare?

The Bears fighting among themselves vs the Pats, who had how much time to prepare?

The Browns at home comig off a loss vs the lowly Raiders?

Kansas City at home vs a weak Rams team?

Hmmmm?

[Avante]

The Niners, hmmmm?

Let;s take any teams top three backers off the defense, now what? That's what we had tonight and injuries to the db's.

All season long the D without stud's Navarro Bowman and Aldon Smith, that is a real big deal.

The Niners are 4-3 and have a bye. When they return they beat the Rams at home, now 5-3

then...

at NO
at NYG

they will win one of those so...6-4

Now Smith is back (actually was a week ago).

The Skins and Seahawks at home should win both of those, so 8-4

at Oakland...9-4
at Seattle...9-5
Chargers
Card....will win one of those, so 10-6 and an 11-5 more realistic than a 9-7.

Yep, playoffs, with Bowman back.

[Blake]

If you can't see the difference in Mason's picks and mine, I can't help you.

Oh right. Masons picks all lost and yours all won.

[Avante]

Oh right. Masons picks all lost and yours all won.

Texas Tech by two td's, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what is Nick Chubbs average per carry again, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

If you can't see the difference in Mason's picks and mine, I can't help you.
"Mason" was barely above .500, you were well below .500 last year and barely above .500 so far this year... not really seeing much of a difference, tbh....


And when you play with real $$$$ the weather does come into play.
"Betting experts" who "hit 70%" don't need lame excuses, tbh....


You are going to end who looking stupid-er guy
You can't even write intelligible sentences, yet you call me stupid....

[Avante]

"Mason" was barely above .500, you were well below .500 last year and barely above .500 so far this year... not really seeing much of a difference, tbh....


"Betting experts" who "hit 70%" don't need lame excuses, tbh....


You can't even write intelligible sentences, yet you call me stupid....

I have no problems at all writing any kind of sentence, are you really that hard up to act stupid?

Dude, do you pay any real attention at all? I;m playing with real $$$$ here...ok? The last couple years it was just shuck and jive, my actual $$$$ plays I kept to myself.

You take that Packers game and that Jets came where...it's going to storm!!!!!....but didn't, it's 24-17 since week one. Now think stupid, use your damn head. That's + 7 in 6 weeks, + 14 in 12, plus 19 in 17 weeks. Then here come the playoffs up around 2 grand.

You're going to look like a total idiot.

[Clipper Nation]

I have no problems at all writing any kind of sentence, are you really that hard up to act stupid?
"You are going to end who looking stupid-er guy" is a nonsensical, random combination of words....


Dude, do you pay any real attention at all? I;m playing with real $$$$ here...ok? The last couple years it was just shuck and jive, my actual $$$$ plays I kept to myself.
More excuses and lies.


You're going to look like a total idiot.
- Avante in 2012, 2013, and 2014

[Blake]

Texas Tech by two td's, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what is Nick Chubbs average per carry again, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're retarded.

still working on getting you pinked, fat fuck.

[Avante]

"You are going to end who looking stupid-er guy" is a nonsensical, random combination of words....


More excuses and lies.


- Avante in 2012, 2013, and 2014

I meant stupid-er, to be cute, I know...ZOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

No excuses and no lies, just me finally playing my legit $$$$ plays.

This is going to be fun, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

You're retarded.

still working on getting you pinked, fat fuck.

So you didn't say TT wouldwin by two TD's, fuck yes you did asshole.

Now tell me about Nick Chubb again faggot.

Dude, I have how many threads I could bump back up? Do you really think this Pink thing would matter? Look at you you just follow everyone around, being pinked would mean nothing to you, well...me either.

[Blake]

2012


No excuses and no lies, just me finally playing my legit $$$$ plays.

This is going to be fun, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2013


No excuses and no lies, just me finally playing my legit $$$$ plays.

This is going to be fun, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014



No excuses and no lies, just me finally playing my legit $$$$ plays.

This is going to be fun, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

2012


2013


2014

Blake..I can see TT winning by two td's?
(after they lose)

Avante....Texas Tech by two TD's, hahaha!!!!!

Blake...I never said that.

What a fucking liar.

[Clipper Nation]

Blake..I can see TT winning by two td's?
(after they lose)

Avante....Texas Tech by two TD's, hahaha!!!!!

Blake...I never said that.

What a fucking liar.
He said he could see them winning by two TD's, you spun it after the fact as him guaranteeing they would win by two TD's.... you're just so salty from your long list of failed predictions over the past three years that you're reduced to blatantly making up ones to mock other posters for :lol

[Blake]

So you didn't say TT wouldwin by two TD's, fuck yes you did asshole.

Nope. You're an illiterate retard that can't figure the difference between can win and will win.



Now tell me about Nick Chubb again faggot.

You want to date him?



Dude, I have how many threads I could bump back up? Do you really think this Pink thing would matter? Look at you you just follow everyone around, being pinked would mean nothing to you, well...me either.

why this need to piss everyone off?

Every. One.

You're a retarded piece of shit that needs a pinking.

[Avante]

Nope. You're an illiterate retard that can't figure the difference between can win and will win.



You want to date him?



why this need to piss everyone off?

Every. One.

You're a retarded piece of shit that needs a pinking.

So you didn't think TT would win by two TD's? Dude, this is pathetic, wow, what a fucking loser.

My threads do a hell of a lot better than yours do ya little faggot. And you don't see me following anyone around like your faggot ass does.

I told you asshole, stay out of my threads and I'll pink myself. You are like a cancer ya sick shit.

Dude, don;t.....Chubb had a 3,8 average...and then run like a little bitch when he averages over 6 ok ya fucking freak?

[Clipper Nation]

So you didn't think TT would win by two TD's?

You are legitimately retarded if you don't know the difference between CAN win and WILL win....

[Avante]

You are legitimately retarded if you don't know the difference between CAN win and WILL win....

Retarded is saying....I think TT can win by two tds...and then when they lose act like you had no confidence in them. I gurantee if TT had won by 14 points it's...."see I told you so, nailed it".

[Avante]

If we take everything that makes a great QB into account....

1.Joe Montana Notre Dame/Niners
2.Tom Brady Michigan/Pats
3.Peyton Manning Tennessee/Colts
4.Aaron Rodgers Cal/Packers
5.John Elway Stanford/Broncos
6.Dan Marino Pitt/Dolphins
7.Brett Favre So. Miss/Packers
8.Steve Young BYU/Niners
9.Troy Aikman UCLA/Cowboys
10.Drew Brees Purdue/Saints
11.Otto Graham Northwestern/Browns
12.John Unitas Louisvile/Colts
13.Warren Moon Washington/Oilers
14.Fran Tarkenton Georgia/Vikings
15.Philip Rivers North Carolina/Chargers
16.Dan Fouts Oregon/Chargers
17.Ken Stabler Alabama/Raiders
18.Terry Bradshaw LaTech/Steelers
19.Bart Starr Alabama/Packers
20.Joe Namath Alabama/Jets
21.Roger Staubach Navy/Cowboys
22.Len Dawson Purdue/Chiefs
23.Bob Griese Purdue.Dolphins
24.Sonny Jurgenson Duke/Redskins
25.Donovan McNabb Syracuse/Eagles

[Blake]

Retarded is saying....I think TT can win by two tds...and then when they lose act like you had no confidence in them. I gurantee if TT had won by 14 points it's...."see I told you so, nailed it".

Tech was ahead 34-20 in the 4th quarter before shitting the bed. I still won $100 taking Tech and the points.

5th grade education level retard.

[Avante]

Tech was ahead 34-20 in the 4th quarter before shitting the bed. I still won $100 taking Tech and the points.

5th grade education level retard.

Not too many fifth graders could totally take you to school talking both TT and the Vikings. Care to try me shorty?

The thing is, you made it very very clear you thought TT could win the game by two td's, so stop the tap dance routine,ok? Why say....I think TT can win the game by two TD's.....if you didn't believe that? Dude, own it ok?

So how about Nick Chubb, what's his average again, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Another NFL first for Russell Wilson....

Only QB to ever throw for over 300 and rush for over a 100 yards in a game.

Wow!

[Blake]

Not too many fifth graders could totally take you to school talking both TT and the Vikings. Care to try me shorty?

The thing is, you made it very very clear you thought TT could win the game by two td's, so stop the tap dance routine,ok? Why say....I think TT can win the game by two TD's.....if you didn't believe that? Dude, own it ok?

So how about Nick Chubb, what's his average again, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you're still trying to say that will win and can win are the same thing in the middle of trying to change the subject.

And you telling me to own what i said after two straight years of blaming Mason on your betting failure is not even hilarious any more. It's pathetically predictable.

You're retarded and you need a pinking.

[Avante]

So you're still trying to say that will win and can win are the same thing in the middle of trying to change the subject.

And you telling me to own what i said after two straight years of blaming Mason on your betting failure is not even hilarious any more. It's pathetically predictable.

You're retarded and you need a pinking.

Blake....did you expect TT to win that game by two td's. Yes or no.

[Blake]

Blake....did you expect TT to win that game by two td's. Yes or no.

How many "no"s do you need.

No means no every time I say it, you retarded old piece of shit.

[Avante]

How many "no"s do you need.

No means no every time I say it, you retarded old piece of shit.

So tell me faggot, what are you really saying here then?

The spread is WV -6.....in Lubbock. I can see Tech winning by two TDs.

Lol +/- 77 points. I still might take the over.

For now....$100 Tech +6.

Easy money, imo.

~~~~~~~~~

So you didn't think TT could win by two TD's? Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a fucking liar.

[Blake]

Yes I think they could have won by two TDs. Never said they would. Crack open a 5th grade grammar book. Can vs Will.

fat slobby retarded ol fuck

[Avante]

Yes I think they could have won by two TDs. Never said they would. Crack open a 5th grade grammar book. Can vs Will.

fat slobby retarded ol fuck

You really think anyone is going to buy that weak ass shit ya fucking faggot? You made it very very clear you thought TT would win by two TD's. So stop the bullshit ya little cocksucker...ok? You fucked up stupid, own it...ok?

So back to Nick Chubb, what is his average again, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this one dumb fuck or what?

[Aztecfan03]

Yes I think they could have won by two TDs. Never said they would. Crack open a 5th grade grammar book. Can vs Will.

fat slobby retarded ol fuck

He really has no common sense.

[Aztecfan03]

Is this one dumb fuck or what?

If you are talking about yourself, then yes.

[Avante]

He really has no common sense.

So if I told you.....I can see the Chargers winning by two TD's....what did I just say?

[Avante]

If you are talking about yourself, then yes.

Trust me little fella, I might be a lot of things but dumb isn't one of them.

[Clipper Nation]

So if I told you.....I can see the Chargers winning by two TD's....what did I just say?

That it is within the realm of possibility that the Chargers can win by two touchdowns - which is different from saying they will win by two touchdowns....

[Blake]

Trust me little fella, I might be a lot of things but dumb isn't one of them.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Avante]

That it is within the realm of possibility that the Chargers can win by two touchdowns - which is different from saying they will win by two touchdowns....

The thing is midget is that they lost the game, ok? So the faggot was totally wrong.

[Blake]

How is this retarded fat fuck so caught up in this trivial bullshit after posting gems like:

"i always hit 70%"

"i was just a few plays away from being right"

":cry Mason used my logon ID and made those picks.....not me :cry"

[Clipper Nation]

The thing is midget is that they lost the game, ok? So the faggot was totally wrong.

How was he wrong when he never guaranteed that they would win the game?

Meanwhile, you guaranteed that you would hit 70% of your bets ("I always do") and then blamed it all on your son when you failed....

[Avante]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Tell me again about Nick Chubbs average, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blake]

The thing is midget is that they lost the game, ok? So the faggot was totally wrong.

You're totally retarded.

And fat.

[Avante]

How was he wrong when he never guaranteed that they would win the game?

Dude, I said....talk to me about Grice....and you saw that as putting a curse on him, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

You're totally retarded.

And fat.

Yep, so why follow a fat retarded guy around?

[Blake]

Yep, so why follow a fat retarded guy around?

I don't follow you around, but I do like to poke fun at arrogant shit heads like you when they miserably fail. It's funny seeing you cry things like ":cry it wasn't me it was Mason :cry :cry

:lol retarded piece of shit

[Avante]

I don't follow you around, but I do like to poke fun at arrogant shit heads like you when they miserably fail. It's funny seeing you cry things like ":cry it wasn't me it was Mason :cry :cry

:lol retarded piece of shit

And I get a kick out of watching total morons like you freaking out over...me. Look at the impact I make on you little guy, damn!!!!!!!!!! I mean....DAMN!!!!!! Blake, you come here to just bother people I know this we all do so I fuck around with you just to be able to..hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! and you never disappoint. I totally own you Blake and it's funny.

Dude, you need me and we see that every single day. And it's funny to watch. Mason loved watching you freaking out over his picks. The boy owned you.

[Avante]

Would you believe the Steelers haven't lost at home on a Monday night in......23 years?

I'll lay the 3.5.

[Aztecfan03]

The thing is midget is that they lost the game, ok? So the faggot was totally wrong.

He picked the spread correctly. So he was right.

[Avante]

He picked the spread correctly. So he was right.

The sad thing there is you are serious.

[Blake]

Dude, you need me and we see that every single day. And it's funny to watch. Mason loved watching you freaking out over his picks. The boy owned you.

you blamed Mason after your picks failed.

It's as simple as that.

[Blake]

The sad thing there is you are serious.

The real sad.thing here is you're retarded.

[Avante]

you blamed Mason after your picks failed.

It's as simple as that.

The fun was in how serious you took it, dude.......it was fucking funny. You were freaking out over it, hell...you still are. Why do you care SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO damn much about it? And you really do, it's weird.

I play those two bad weather games and dump week one.....24-17...and it gets easier.

Watch how it goes from here on out.

[Avante]

The real sad.thing here is you're retarded.

You get off following retarded old fat fucks around, you really that bored?

[Blake]

The fun was in how serious you took it, dude.......it was fucking funny. You were freaking out over it, hell...you still are. Why do you care SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO damn much about it? And you really do, it's weird.

Nobody believes this crap.

You're retarded.

[Blake]

You get off following retarded old fat fucks around, you really that bored?

It's entertaining enough to watch you try to squirm out of your failures with horrible lies.

Your threads about other posters need to go though. Pure garbage/clutter.

[Avante]

Nobody believes this crap.

You're retarded.

Dude, we are seeing it, you freak out over me. Look at you dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!! You stalk me ya little faggot, we all see it so stop lying.

[Avante]

It's entertaining enough to watch you try to squirm out of your failures with horrible lies.

Your threads about other posters need to go though. Pure garbage/clutter.

You really are totally fucked freak, wow!

[Avante]

23-20 (+ 300) if not for bogus weather reports......25-20, since week one.....25-17. And it does get easier as we see teams getting real serious about playoff positioning and those teams out of it.


Last night we saw a very strange situation, a team that hadn't lost in a partIcular "spot" in 23 years. 23 years, wow! And they were in with a team that totally sucks in these "only game going on" "spots". They had went 0-6ATS on MNF alone. Talk about an easy play, there it was. Even when it was 13 to 0 I had no doubts how it would end up.

Some of you play this...."what does something 10 (or more) years ago have to do with anything, different players:"...ok well how come the Lions/Browns have never played in a Superbowl? How come the Steelers/Cowboys/Niners have won 16 SB's and played in about 20? How come the Steelers have won 16 MNF games in a row and haven't lost one at home in 23 years despite all the different players? How come the Texans totally suck on Mon/Sun/Thurs night games regardless of who they have? How come the Pats are always in the SB mix, they haven't had a losing season in over a decade regardless of who plays for them.

Check out this "spot" for next Sunday.

The Bills at the Jets. The Bills with no C.J.Spliler vs a team coming off that Thurs night loss now at home, a place they have owned the Bills.

2013 Jets win 27-20
2012 Jets win 48-28
2011 Jets win 28-24
2010 Jets win 39-7

Now add the Bills are heading into a bye week, in that "spot"...1-4ATS.

Can anyone make a case for the Bills in this "spot"..?

[Avante]

So what teams were heavy loaded with home games the first seven weeks?

Cowboys...4
Broncos....4
Lions....4
Colts...4
Eagles...4
Chargers...4
Ravens....4
Bills...4

The Broncos have only had 2 road games.
The Eagles also only having 2 road games.
Add the Rams.....which tells us just how weak they are.

Which were heavy loaded with road games?

Falcons...4
Panthers...4
Bears...4 (a good thing for them)
Packers...4 (so what they have done....impressive)
Texans...4
Jags....4
Chiefs...4
Vikes...4
Pats..4(also impressive)
Saints...4
Giants....4
Steelers...4
Niners...4
Titans....4

Home/road is huge in the NFL.

The Broncos will be facing 8 games where they have only 2 home games...ouch! The Lions with 6 games with only 2 road games. Who comes up with this stuff? Why not home/road, home/road?

[Aztecfan03]

how is 4 out of 7 heavy loaded?

[Avante]

how is 4 out of 7 heavy loaded?

When you play half of your road games in the first seven weeks. Which tells you you have four left in the next ten weeks.

Look at the Jags....

road
road
home
road
home
road

4 road/2 home

Look at Broncos...

home
home
road
home
road
home
home

5 home/2 road

[chunticakes]

23-20 (+ 300) if not for bogus weather reports......25-20, since week one.....25-17. And it does get easier.


Last night we saw a very strange situation, a team that hadn't lost in a partIcular "spot" in 23 years. 23 years, wow! And they were in with a team that totally sucks in these "only game going on" "spots". They had went 0-6ATS on MNF alone. Talk about an easy play, there it was. Even when it was 13 to 0 I had no doubts how it would end up.

Some of you play this...."what does something 10 (or more) years ago have to do with anything, different players:"...ok well how come the Lions/Browns have never played in a Superbowl? How come the Steelers/Cowboys/Niners have won 16 SB's and played in about 20? How come the Steelers have won 16 MNF games in a row and haven't lost one at home in 23 years despite all the different players? How come the Texans totally suck on Mon/Sun/Thurs night games regardless of who they have? How come the Pats are always in the SB mix, they haven't had a losing season in over a decade regardless of who plays for them.

Check out this "spot" for next Sunday.

The Bills at the Jets. The Bills with no C.J.Spliler vs a team coming off that Thurs night loss now at home, a place they have owned the Bills.

2013 Jets win 27-20
2012 Jets win 48-28
2011 Jets win 28-24
2010 Jets win 39-7

Now add the Bills are heading into a bye week, in that "spot"...1-4ATS.

Can anyone make a case for the Bills in this "spot"..?

GENO SMITH.

[Avante]

GENO SMITH.

He looked pretty good vs Pats, yep, what a surprise. The thing is how can ya ignore a "spot" that has an overwelming amount of reasons to back a side?

This is it for the Jets and they know it, now add the Percy Harvin/no C.J.Spiller factor. The Jets in a "must win" situation at home vs a team they have dominated in this "spot'. The Bills haven't won at Jets since 2009 and it was 16-13.

[chunticakes]

Alright Avante i'll pick the Jets. Anyone else?

[Avante]

Alright Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) i'll pick the Jets. Anyone else?

Not right now you don't, you wait until we see the injury report and the weather. As of right now it's just a potential play. You just ignore bad weather games and now is the time to start looking for them.


The Chiefs at home vs a woeful road team the Rams. another potential play. The Rams as RD's the last two years...2-7ATS. The Chiefs play three of their next four games at home, they will see that situation as a great chance to gain on Den/SD. If they can beat the Chargers on the road, why wouldn't they be able to beat up the Rams at home? A rookie QB in the loudest stadium in the league.....not good.

You want to find "spots" like...

Indy since Luck showed up 12-2-1ATS vs the division vs Tennesse who are 2-8-1ATS vs the division since Luck showed up. Now add Indy 4-0ATS vs the Titans since Luck showed up, that's a strong...24-4-2 trend favoring the Colts in this "spot".

[Aztecfan03]

He looked pretty good vs Pats, yep, what a surprise. The thing is how can ya ignore a "spot" that has an overwelming amount of reasons to back a side?

This is it for the Jets and they know it, now add the Percy Harvin/no C.J.Spiller factor. The Jets in a "must win" situation at home vs a team they have dominated in this "spot'. The Bills haven't won at Jets since 2009 and it was 16-13.

And no Fred Jackson.

[Avante]

And no Fred Jackson.

So he is out? I don't get into injuries until Friday.

From Tuesday to Friday it's finding the best dozen or so "spots" for the week, then Saturday while watching college ball I start elimanating games based on injuries/weather/gut feeling, until I get down to the best 4/6 "spots". I go with even numbers of games because I should always win more than I lose.

[Aztecfan03]

So he is out? I don't get into injuries until Friday.

He may miss a month with a groin injury. Barring a miracle recovery, he should be out. It looks like Anthony Dixon(formerly a 49er) and Bryce Brown(formerly on the Eagles) will be the rb's. But the Bills should probably go to the air more against the Jets anyways.

[Avante]

He may miss a month with a groin injury. Barring a miracle recovery, he should be out. It looks like Anthony Dixon(formerly a 49er) and Bryce Brown(formerly on the Eagles) will be the rb's. But the Bills should probably go to the air more against the Jets anyways.

Dixon is just a banger, but Brown has some zip but is no Jackson/Spiller obviously.

I don't like putting $$$ on Geno Smith, but he would have won $$$ for me vs Pats if I'd not pussied out over that storm that never showed up.....sheesh! I just can't ignore this "spot".

[Avante]

The early line has the Jets -3 and the Chiefs -6. Looks real good to me right now, key words....right now.

I also noticed Cincy - 3, hmmmm? I know the Bengals are a good HF but are struggling right now vs a Ravens team on a roll, hmmmmmmmm?

I can't ignore 4-1ATS and the Bengals in this "spot" however, yep....????

[Avante]

Broncos vs Chargers Thursday Night Football

The two teams are almost identical when it comes to points scored/given up....so forget that.

The Chargers at Denver in the Peyton Era...won 27-20/lost 23-30 both came in under the number. Actually 1 point from going 4-0ATS vs Broncos with Peyton.

On Thursday night football, Broncos 5-3ATS/Chargers 4-2. Nothing there.

Then there's this...Broncos 0-7 last 7 at home ATS vs Chargers.

The Chargers are one of the best RD's in the league having gone 9-3 in that "spot" the last two seasons. When coming off a loss as a fav...6-1ATS. A good team getting points.

The stats/trends point towards Chargers plus 7.5.

Who can make a case of Denver in this "spot".

In the Peyton era vs Chargers

Denver 28-20
Chargers 27-20
Denver 24-17
Denver 35-24
Denver 30-23

[Aztecfan03]

Broncos vs Chargers Thursday Night Football

The two teams are almost identical when it comes to points scored/given up....so forget that.

The Chargers at Denver in the Peyton Era...won 27-20/lost 23-30 both came in under the number. Actually 1 point from going 4-0ATS vs Broncos with Peyton.

On Thursday night football, Broncos 5-3ATS/Chargers 4-2. Nothing there.

Then there's this...Broncos 0-7 last 7 at home ATS vs Chargers.

The Chargers are one of the best RD's in the league having gone 9-3 in that "spot" the last two seasons. When coming off a loss as a fav...6-1ATS. A good team getting points.

The stats/trends point towards Chargers plus 7.5.

Who can make a case of Denver in this "spot".

In the Peyton era vs Chargers

Denver 28-20
Chargers 27-20
Denver 24-17
Denver 35-24
Denver 30-23

I wouldn't pick either team. The Chargers are likely to be missing two of their top 3 corners which is a very bad thing vs. Peyton. But we did not have those two last year and played peyton tough and the rest of our corners aren't any worse than what we had last year. The broncos passing game is better than last year i think, but the running game isn't. If the Chargers lines can hold up they will have a chance but they have played horribly the past two games.

The thursday road game also makes the CHargers a less attractive pick.

[Avante]

I wouldn't pick either team. The Chargers are likely to be missing two of their top 3 corners which is a very bad thing vs. Peyton. But we did not have those two last year and played peyton tough and the rest of our corners aren't any worse than what we had last year. The broncos passing game is better than last year i think, but the running game isn't. If the Chargers lines can hold up they will have a chance but they have played horribly the past two games.

The thursday road game also makes the CHargers a less attractive pick.

Yep, without your starting corners, forget it. I agree....no play either way.

[Avante]

Cowboys release Michael Sam.

[Aztecfan03]

Yep, without your starting corners, forget it. I agree....no play either way.

I doubt flowers playes because he had a concussion sunday and hasn't participated in practice. Our beat reporter said Verrett wouldn't play but that should be taken with a grain of salt so it's possible we will only miss Flowers.

[Avante]

I doubt flowers playes because he had a concussion sunday and hasn't participated in practice. Our beat reporter said Verrett wouldn't play but that should be taken with a grain of salt so it's possible we will only miss Flowers.

The Chargers are also one of the better bounce back teams coming off a loss the last couple of years, but.......they need their starting dbs in this one unlike any other.

Looking at the Chargers remaining games, hmmmm?....10-6?

[Avante]

The Niners need pass rushers, no problem signing Sam.

[Aztecfan03]

The Chargers are also one of the better bounce back teams coming off a loss the last couple of years, but.......they need their starting dbs in this one unlike any other.

Looking at the Chargers remaining games, hmmmm?....10-6?

how i see it
most likely wins: @ MIA, vs OAK, vs STL
pretty likely: @ chiefs
toss up: vs DEN, @ Bal, @ 49ers (niners will have a bunch of key players back), vs patriots
unlikely: @ DEN
I'm predicting 11-5
Keep in mind the chargers should have mostly everyone back after our week 10 bye including Mathews, Brown, and our cornerbacks barring further injuries. Manti te'o and melvin ingram(two of best lb'ers) could possibly be ready after the bye.

[Avante]

how i see it
most likely wins: @ MIA, vs OAK, vs STL
pretty likely: @ chiefs
toss up: vs DEN, @ Bal, @ 49ers (niners will have a bunch of key players back), vs patriots
unlikely: @ DEN
I'm predicting 11-5
Keep in mind the chargers should have mostly everyone back after our week 10 bye including Mathews, Brown, and our cornerbacks barring further injuries. Manti te'o and melvin ingram(two of best lb'ers) could possibly be ready after the bye.

I had 11-5 but thought they'd probably lose one they should have won, most do. Yep...11-5 very realistic.

When they get their running backs back they do need a role for Oliver to play, too good to sit on the bench.

[Aztecfan03]

I had 11-5 but thought they'd probably lose one they should have won, most do. Yep...11-5 very realistic.

When they get their running backs back they do need a role for Oliver to play, too good to sit on the bench.

Well we have already lost two games we should have won. I see 12-4 and even 13-3 as a possibilities too but behind 11-5 and 10-6.

I wouldn't be surprised if Oliver and Mathews share time and Brown just sits on the bench most of the time. Brown hasn't looked good for the most part. Although, i'm not sure how their pass-blocking skills compare and if brown would see time because of that at all.

[Avante]

Well we have already lost two games we should have won. I see 12-4 and even 13-3 as a possibilities too but behind 11-5 and 10-6.

I wouldn't be surprised if Oliver and Mathews share time and Brown just sits on the bench most of the time. Brown hasn't looked good for the most part. Although, i'm not sure how their pass-blocking skills compare and if brown would see time because of that at all.

I do doubt a 12-4, it wouldn't shock me but I doubt it.

Get Oliver out in space, yep....a little lesser Sproles (he does pack more of a punch, just lacks the speed). You use Matthews up, he's who they really need.

I gotta put Rivers right there with the very elite QB's this season, he's playing great.

[jimbo]

yeah when avante first brought this up months ago i told him he was basically describing a corner blitz, but he refused to buy that

I'm not seeing the difference at this point other than that there's no misdirection involved with it at all. You're basically just announcing that you're either going to blitz or that you're dropping a running back into coverage. So either way the QB knows to look at/attack that side of the field first.


Nobody is talking about ......for the small guy...and I made that clear. Not talking about rushing a Trindon Holliday here...ok? Take a back up back, a guy with some heft or a big wide receiver and set them out wide. Good luck in a tackle being about to get out there and if he can have a backer right over him, so there's the hole.

The local JC in town used that idea. On third and long in came backs/receivers with more speed than backers/DE's. Worked like a charm and would work at any level.

I'd think you'd want as much speed as possible instead of a slightly bigger guy. Tyron Smith doesn't care about those extra 20-30 pounds. He's still laying the guy on his ass if he can touch him.


I refused to buy it or talked about simply replacing big linemen with speed players in obvious third and long? You do know at the HS level most guys play both ways....right? You do know that Pitt uses running back John Conner as a DE...right? You do know that a lot of HS backs become backers at the next level...right? UCLA uses Myles Jack as a backer and running back.

Make it to where you must leave backs in to block these speed rushers, it's real obvious they will be blowing by big linemen. That's the idea behind it. And if you spread a tackle out, there's that gap staring at a backer.


Rookies....sheesh!

Well if the goal of it is making sure the offense leaves in a RB, I guess it's successful? I mean most offenses don't go 5 wide even on 3rd and 15 anyways.

I'm still not getting how this is schematically different from a corner blitz. (with whoever you want picking up that open receiver, doesn't' really matter.)

http://i.imgur.com/antXDfG.png

[Avante]

We've all seen that speedy cat totally beat that big bulky lineman on extra point, field goal trys. That is what this is about. No some 300 pounder can't back peddle to deal with a 4.4 guy with a blitz start.

If you blitz a corner you have less defenders covering receivers. Why have a 4.8 guy rushing a QB when it's without a doubt a pass (like third and 14) when you can have a 4.4 guy?

While at Miami they had Devin Hester coming off the edge to block punts, yep, he blocked a couple, this is like that.

[Avante]

As of right now these are the games I;m...hmmmm?....about as far as potential ATS plays.

Houston coming off a bad loss vs an inferior opponent in Tennessee.
The Chiefs at home in that noisey stadium vs a rookie QB and a Rams team that suck on the road.
The Browns back at home coming off a loss vs a woeful Raiders team that can't win a game much less on the road.
Aaron Rodgers is cooking right now vs that pourous Saints defense.
The Dolphins are simply a far better team that the Jags.
The Ravens are red hot, the Bengals are cold.
The Jets in a "must win" situation with all that rest vs a team with third string backs.
Tom Brady vs a team fighting among themselves in the Bears.
The Cowboys at home on MNF vs a team with their third string QB.

That's without looking at stats/trends or injuries. Just games that got my attention. After the homework I'll narrow it down to the 4 or 6 best plays leaving no stone unturned.

[jimbo]

We've all seen that speedy cat totally beat that big bulky lineman on extra point, field goal trys. That is what this is about. No some 300 pounder can't back peddle to deal with a 4.4 guy with a blitz start.

If you blitz a corner you have less defenders covering receivers. Why have a 4.8 guy rushing a QB when it's without a doubt a pass (like third and 14) when you can have a 4.4 guy?

While at Miami they had Devin Hester coming off the edge to block punts, yep, he blocked a couple, this is like that.

...and teams don't have a runningback by the kicker to pick up the edge rushers on field goal attempts. I like my chances of stopping your 4.4 guy with my RB, especially since the RB knows exactly where you're coming from.

& I mean I guess you could still do this, but if you're playing a team with more than 1 deep threat you're pretty much giving up single coverage if you're playing with a single deep safety. I'd rather not do that on a 3rd and 15.

[Avante]

...and teams don't have a runningback by the kicker to pick up the edge rushers on field goal attempts. I like my chances of stopping your 4.4 guy with my RB, especially since the RB knows exactly where you're coming from.

& I mean I guess you could still do this, but if you're playing a team with more than 1 deep threat you're pretty much giving up single coverage if you're playing with a single deep safety. I'd rather not do that on a 3rd and 15.

You're going to rush at least three guys on 3rd and 15, why not replace a big DE with a speedy athlete? It's just that simple. You want somebody coming off the edge with some quickness, I don't care how quick any DE is he can't match the kinds of quicks a back up DB/WR has.

[Avante]

It's the NFL draft in 2018 the London Redcoats have the first pick being an expansion team. So up walks the Commisioner...

"with the first pick in the 2018 NFL draft, the London Redcoats select......Alonzo Stone quarterback West Virginia"

A little later...

ESPN reporter...so how does it feel Alonzo to be the first pick?
Alonzo....no way in hell I'm going over to London, ok, this sucks! My mom is sick and my girlfriend is having another kid and I gots to be there, ya understand. I'll sit out a year if I have to. I'd rather ride the bench in Oakland than go way over there.

[Avante]

I'm wanting to take the Chargers(plus the points) in a "spot' they have done well in but with those injuries I just don't have the balls to do it. Yep, a pussy.

[Aztecfan03]

I'm wanting to take the Chargers(plus the points) in a "spot' they have done well in but with those injuries I just don't have the balls to do it. Yep, a pussy.

At least Verrett is playing. but i agree, too many injuried to bet.

[chunticakes]

I'll lay the points tonight and take the Broncos. Manning is playing lights out while SD has two of their starting CBs injured.

[Avante]

I'll lay the points tonight and take the Broncos. Manning is playing lights out while SD has two of their starting CBs injured.

I almost made that play, I just hate bucking strong trends. As we saw the Chargers still had a great shot at hanging within the number injuries and all.

[Aztecfan03]

I almost made that play, I just hate bucking strong trends. As we saw the Chargers still had a great shot at hanging within the number injuries and all.

ANd if the game was fair, the game would have at least been within a score.

[Avante]

ANd if the game was fair, the game would have at least been within a score.

What a shame the Chargers were so beat up. They come in with their full team and we have a very close game, yep, the Broncos got all the calls.

That was a fumble to begin with.

[Avante]

Barring injuries I think we've seen enought by now to get a pretty good read on who has what. No not after 2-4 games like a lot of you play, but after 7/8, sure.

The Colts will play the Broncos in the AFC title game. The NFC a little more...????? We can't ignore Cowboy history and how they struggle in Nov/Dec. The Seahawks/Niners? Then there's GB, Philly and Arizona....hmmm?

[Avante]

I've read/heard both 5-7 and 5-8 for Brenden Oliver, I'm guessing 5-7. As we know he's out of Buffalo, we also know he needs to be out in space not in between the tackles.

So who were those little backs, guys similiar to Oliver?

The first was Claude 'Buddy" Young Illinois/Colts a legit 'world class" sprinter, once held the WR in the 60. He had six kick returns for td's. First great black speed/elusive black running back all 5-4 of him.

"Mini" Mack Herron Kansas State/Pats 5-5 170

Eric Bieniemy Colorado/Chargers 5-7 207

Steve Broussard WSU/Falcons 5-7 201

Ricky Ervins USC/Redskins 5-7 195

Lionel "Little Train" James Auburn/Chargers 5-6 170

Howard Stevens Louisville/Saints 5-5 165...left the college game as the all time NCAA rushing leader

Darren Sproles Kansas State/Saints 5-6 181

[spurraider21]

Doug Martin...

[Avante]

Doug Martin...

I was looking for those at 5-7 and shorter, Martin and Ray Rice are 5-9, MJD at 5-8.

[spurraider21]

I was looking for those at 5-7 and shorter, Martin and Ray Rice are 5-9, MJD at 5-8.
i know, but since you listed rice and MJD i figured it was fair to include the muscle hamster

[Avante]

i know, but since you listed rice and MJD i figured it was fair to include the muscle hamster

I listed Rice/MJD because I thought they were shorter than 5-8 then checked it out...nope! The fact they are bulky/muscular makes them look shorter than they are, same with Martin.

Would you believe a starting NFL QB...5-8?

[Aztecfan03]

I've read/heard both 5-7 and 5-8 for Brenden Oliver, I'm guessing 5-7. As we know he's out of Buffalo, we also know he needs to be out in space not in between the tackles.

So who were those little backs, guys similiar to Oliver?

The first was Claude 'Buddy" Young Illinois/Colts a legit 'world class" sprinter, once held the WR in the 60. He had six kick returns for td's. First great black speed/elusive black running back all 5-4 of him.

"Mini" Mack Herron Kansas State/Pats 5-5 170

Eric Bieniemy Colorado/Chargers 5-7 207

Steve Broussard WSU/Falcons 5-7 201

Ricky Ervins USC/Redskins 5-7 195

Lionel "Little Train" James 5-6 170

Howard Stevens Louisville/Saints 5-5 165...left the college game as the all time NCAA rushing leader

Darren Sproles Kansas State/Saints 5-6 181

He is supposedly 5-6. The difference between him and sproles is he has more strength while sproles is a lot quicker. That's partly why he isn't only used out in space.

[Avante]

As we know Oliver was out of Buffalo, not known as a football powerhouse. And why he wasn't drafted, that and his size.

The best 10 NFL backs out of those small schools. Other than HBCU schools.

10.Dick Bass UOP/Rams....their first 1000 yard rusher.
9. Eugene "Mercury" Morris West Texas State
8. Stump Mitchell The Citadel/Cards
7. Terry Metcalf Long Beach State/Cards
6. Wilbert Montgomery Abilene Christian/Eagles
5. Abner Haynes North Texas State/Chiefs....first AFL rushing leader
4. Calvin Hill Yale/Cowboys....their first 1000 yard rusher
3. Chris Warren Furman/Seahawks....was their all time leading rusher when he retired.
2. Christian "The Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye Azusa Pacific/Chiefs....retired as their all time leading rusher
1. Joe 'The Jet" Perry...Compton JC/Niners...first black to rush for a 1000 yards, first to have two consecutive 1000 yard seasons, first JC only back to have a 1000 yard season and still is. Retired as the NFL's all time leading rusher.

Then there was Carlton "Cookie" Gilchrist who went straight from HS to the CFL. Yep, no college. He was a 250 pound fullback when he signed with the Bills, he would become the old AFL's first 1000 yard rusher and was known as.....the Jim Brown of the AFL.

[Avante]

He is supposedly 5-6. The difference between him and sproles is he has more strength while sproles is a lot quicker. That's partly why he isn't only used out in space.

I mentioned that somewhere out there, yep, he packs more of a punch than Sproles but isn't as fast. Haven't read 5-6, do think he's a little taller than that.

[chunticakes]

Yeah I agree with both of you but as we know, Denver at home in a prime time spot, refs are gonna give them the edge.

[Avante]

Yeah I agree with both of you but as we know, Denver at home in a prime time spot, refs are gonna give them the edge.

Chargers beat them in Denver on a Thursday night in 2013, so...hmmmmm?

[Avante]

As we learned in tonights game, Antonio Gates became the all time Chargers leader in receiving yards, beating Lance Alworths record.

Lance Alworth was a sprinter/long jumper in track while at Arkansas and a running back, he became a wide receiver as a Charger. He was amazing and the smoothest/slickest receiver ever, as you will see.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZoneRiOxE


When he first arrived in San Diego the Chargers had Tobin Rote at QB, an all pro, the great Paul Lowe at running back and the just as great Keith Lincoln*** at Fullback. There has still never been a better backfield ever (Alworth a flanker). All 4 were all stars.

*** he scored ....

rushing
passing
receiving
punt return
kickoff return
PAT
field goal

When was the last time you saw a fullback returning kicks?

[chunticakes]

Chargers beat them in Denver on a Thursday night in 2013, so...hmmmmm?

They weren't riddled with injuries in the secondary. Who was the last 5'8" QB to start in the NFL Avante?

[Avante]

They weren't riddled with injuries in the secondary. Who was the last 5'8" QB to start in the NFL Avante?

My bad, he was 5-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_LeBaron

[Avante]

You can't talk great Charger receivers and not talk John Jefferson. We won''t see him on any list because he got full of himself and wanted too much$$$$ so he got shipped off to Green Bay and......poof!!!!! If he'd stayed in San Diego for 10 years or so he'd be right there with the greats, he belongs.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw5jRo4TpQY

See how sad this is, he deserves better than that.

[Avante]

Tonight we saw two original AFL teams play (Chargers did start out in LA)

This is what season number one looked like in 1960 with the teams first stud QB/RB/WR not saying they were there at the same time.

west

LA Chargers...Tobin Rote/Paul Lowe/Lance Alworth
Oakland Raiders...Daryl Lamonica/Clem Daneils/Art Powell
Dallas Texans (Chiefs)...Len Dawson/Abner Haynes/Otis Taylor (had the best TE in AFL history....Fred Arbansas)
Denver Broncos...Frank Tripuka/Billy Joe/Lionel Taylor

east

New York Titans/Jets...Joe Namath/Matt Snell/Don Maynard
Buffalo Bils...Jack Kemp/Cookie Gilchrist/Elbert "Golden Wheels" Dubenion
Houston Oilers...George Blanda/Charley Tolar/Charley Hennigan
Boston Patriots...Babe Parilli/Larry Garron/Gino Capelletti

The biggest differences between the AFL and the NFL was lack of defense in the AFL, which weird as it seems made for more exciting football, yep, more scoring. The second big difference was the huge % of black players per team, the AFL was loaded with them, the NFL made an effort to not let that happen. We also saw a lot more small college players in the AFL.

[Avante]

As of right now...

NYJ-3....Buff a bad road team vs the divsion and totally suck before their bye week.
Indy-3....shocked the line is this low
Philly + 2.5....the best team in the league SU coming off a bye...21-5
Miami-6....good team playing a bad team
Houston-2....5-1ATS last 6, now vs QB starting his first game.
Baltimore PK....the Ravens are hot, without A.J.Green the Bengals are struggling

Thinking about stepping out on the Packers and Cowboys.(will play 7's but try not too unless taking points)

Might add more or change my mind on some before Sunday.

In all my years of watching pro football I have never had to get up at what...6am...to see a game. Yep, weird! I see the Lions covering for the simple fact the Falcons totally suck on the road but wil lay off the game because ya just never know where these guys heads are at in this unique "spot'.

I mentioned the Chiefs as a possible play, don't like playing 7's. Now we are talking having to win by two scores. Don't like the "spot'.

As far as London having an NFL team, I do see that franchise having a hard time signing free agents. Not too many would want to move the family to another country, I know I wouldn't.

23-20 +500

[Avante]

While we have seen...

Mac Speedie and Dante Levelli Browns way back when
Ray Berry, John Mackey and Lenny Moore...first great receiving back
Swann & Stallworth
Biletnikoff & Branch
Harrison & Wayne
Conrad & Randle
Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson, Kelllen Winslow....the guy who really changed the TE position, no not Tony Gonzalez.
and a few other receiving duos/gangs (Greatest Show on Turf)

....we have never seen what we are seing now with the Broncos. Four quality receivers all there at the same time, all having their own little thang. The matchup nigtmare TE, that quick slot man, the speed demon and the can do it all. If all these guys stay healthy (wel everyone actually) the Broncos won't be denied a SB ring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

While here...

The Cowboys with a monster line..

Aikman/Romo
Smith/Murray
Novacek/Witthum
Irvin/Bryant

Hmmmm?

[chunticakes]

Hmmmm?

[Avante]

Ronnie Hillman and the Denver Broncos running backs.

Their first stud back was a big 250 fullback out of Villanova named...Billy Joe...yep, Billy Joe. He was a load, a genuine thumper. He'd win the Rookie of the Year Award. The first "Great" back they had was Floyd Little out of Syracuse, cat was bow-legged, actually looked strange. He had good speed with power could do it all. He is in the HOF.....but don't really see that.

Otis Armstrong out of Purdue was a 1000 yard rusher and one of the best in the league, in a word...shifty.

Terrell Davis (LBSt/Georgia) was the best back the franchise ever had, he was the total package and if he'd played longer would be among the top rushers ever.

Can't ignore 1000 yard rushers...

Gaston Green UCLA
Olandis Gary Miami?
Mike Anderson Utah

The Broncos have never had a real speedy back like Ronnie Hillman, a guy who can go the distance from anywhere on the field.

Ok who did I forget?

Hillman is out of San Diego State the school that Marshall Faulk went to. Will never figure out how he got there, he was from Louisiana, how he escaped the south...??????

[Malik Hairston]

As of right now...

NYJ-3....Buff a bad road team vs the divsion and totally suck before their bye week.
Indy-3....shocked the line is this low
Philly + 2.5....the best team in the league SU coming off a bye...21-5
Miami-6....good team playing a bad team
Houston-2....5-1ATS last 6, now vs QB starting his first game.
Baltimore PK....the Ravens are hot, without A.J.Green the Bengals are struggling

Thinking about stepping out on the Packers and Cowboys.(will play 7's but try not too unless taking points)

Might add more or change my mind on some before Sunday.

In all my years of watching pro football I have never had to get up at what...6am...to see a game. Yep, weird! I see the Lions covering for the simple fact the Falcons totally suck on the road but wil lay off the game because ya just never know where these guys heads are at in this unique "spot'.

I mentioned the Chiefs as a possible play, don't like playing 7's. Now we are talking having to win by two scores. Don't like the "spot'.

As far as London having an NFL team, I do see that franchise having a hard time signing free agents. Not too many would want to move the family to another country, I know I wouldn't.

23-20 +500

You taking the Packers or Cowboys on primetime, tbh?..

[spurraider21]

As of right now...

NYJ-3....Buff a bad road team vs the divsion and totally suck before their bye week. - Lost
Indy-3....shocked the line is this low
Philly + 2.5....the best team in the league SU coming off a bye...21-5
Miami-6....good team playing a bad team - Won
Houston-2....5-1ATS last 6, now vs QB starting his first game. - Won
Baltimore PK....the Ravens are hot, without A.J.Green the Bengals are struggling - Lost

Thinking about stepping out on the Packers and Cowboys.(will play 7's but try not too unless taking points)

Might add more or change my mind on some before Sunday.

In all my years of watching pro football I have never had to get up at what...6am...to see a game. Yep, weird! I see the Lions covering for the simple fact the Falcons totally suck on the road but wil lay off the game because ya just never know where these guys heads are at in this unique "spot'.

I mentioned the Chiefs as a possible play, don't like playing 7's. Now we are talking having to win by two scores. Don't like the "spot'.

As far as London having an NFL team, I do see that franchise having a hard time signing free agents. Not too many would want to move the family to another country, I know I wouldn't.

23-20 +500
2-2 today with Eagles/Colts pending

[chunticakes]

Fucking steelers have been trolling me all season long. Losing when they're supposed to win and winning when they're supposed to lose. :pctoss

[Avante]

There are a ton of trends that favor NO in this spot, but I might as well end the first half of the season with a bang. I do have some $$$$$ to play with.

I'll take the Packers plus the 1.5. Worst I can do is break even at 25-25. With nine weeks/playoffs to go. I can't ignore Aaron Rodgers in a big night game vs that D.

But...the Saints are something like 11-0 at home in these prime time games. This is more of......knowing it gets easier in the second half thing. So plenty of time to hit that 60-65%.

So it's Aaron Rodgers vs a strong trend.

[chunticakes]

2-2 today with Eagles/Colts pending
2-4

[Avante]

Next week will be the best week so far this season for HF's to roll.

Home on the left

Cinncy vs Jax
Cleveland vs TB
KC vs Jets
Seattle vs Oak
Niners vs Rams

Now add the Colts totally embarrashed now on MNF at the Giants.

[Pelicans78]

Ronnie Hillman and the Denver Broncos running backs.

Their first stud back was a big 250 fullback out of Villanova named...Billy Joe...yep, Billy Joe. He was a load, a genuine thumper. He'd win the Rookie of the Year Award. The first "Great" back they had was Floyd Little out of Syracuse, cat was bow-legged, actually looked strange. He had good speed with power could do it all. He is in the HOF.....but don't really see that.

Otis Armstrong out of Purdue was a 1000 yard rusher and one of the best in the league, in a word...shifty.

Terrell Davis (LBSt/Georgia) was the best back the franchise ever had, he was the total package and if he'd played longer would be among the top rushers ever.

Can't ignore 1000 yard rushers...

Gaston Green UCLA
Olandis Gary Miami?
Mike Anderson Utah

The Broncos have never had a real speedy back like Ronnie Hillman, a guy who can go the distance from anywhere on the field.

Ok who did I forget?

Hillman is out of San Diego State the school that Marshall Faulk went to. Will never figure out how he got there, he was from Louisiana, how he escaped the south...??????

Olandis Gary went to Georgia. You're thinking of Cleveland Gary.

[Pelicans78]

BTW, the big schools wanted Faulk as a DB. Curtis Johnson, now Tulane's head coach and previously the Saints WR coach was an assistant at San Diego State at the time and also a New Orleans native. He recruited Faulk as a RB to the SDSU.

[Avante]

Olandis Gary went to Georgia. You're thinking of Cleveland Gary.

No well aware of Cleveland Gary, I simply couldn't remember and don't Google.

[Avante]

BTW, the big schools wanted Faulk as a DB. Curtis Johnson, now Tulane's head coach and previously the Saints WR coach was an assistant at San Diego State at the time and also a New Orleans native. He recruited Faulk as a RB to the SDSU.

Thanks man, all these years I always wondered how a guy with his talent from the south ended up way out here.

[PublicOption]

Ok, this was England's first morning/afternoon game.........so I am sure the NFL games were available yesterday to everyone in England....for free. So what happens every game scores up to 100 pts..,......really NFL, et tu.

[Avante]

Ok, this was England's first morning/afternoon game.........so I am sure the NFL games were available yesterday to everyone in England....for free. So what happens every game scores up to 100 pts..,......really NFL, et tu.

If ever there was a stupid idea, there it is. American football in England, yep...stupid!

The game without anyone in the stands growing up around the game is big. Football is part of our culture here in the USA, over there it's just a TV show.

[Avante]

The Steelers were 2-2 and losing to Tampa Bay, so much for the first month of a season. Hell, the Colts were also 2-2. There is a message there, don't freak out over every week/game....ok?

[Blake]

2-4

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

It gets easier, mmmmk?

[Avante]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

It gets easier, mmmmk?

I started off -330, here I sit plus 150. Yep, it gets easier!

You can always tell the rookies.

[Blizzardwizard]

If ever there was a stupid idea, there it is. American football in England, yep...stupid!

The game without anyone in the stands growing up around the game is big. Football is part of our culture here in the USA, over there it's just a TV show.

It's great, I can't wait for a franchise to arrive here within the next 10 years.

[Avante]

It's great, I can't wait for a franchise to arrive here within the next 10 years.

It's not going to work. What free agent wants to move his family to London? And if anyone thinks flying from London to Califrornia then back to London then back to Denver then back to..........nay! It's a stupid idea.

Here I sit, a former HS footballer, most my friends played HS football. Here we also sit waiting to see who the final 4 are in the college game while some are watching a son, some relative play HS football. We see none of this over there. The game isn't a huge part of the culture there, it's just something they see on tv. There is no history/tradition pertaining to the game, no football trophies on the mantle, no scrapbook.

Here we are talking football, some like myself can go back to the days of Beattie Feathers the games first 1000 yard rusher (averaged over 9 yards a carry) what Brit can do that? They simply don't really get the game and once the novelty wears off...........

[Blizzardwizard]

It's not going to work. What free agent wants to move his family to London? And if anyone thinks flying from London to Califrornia then back to London then back to Denver then back to..........nay! It's a stupid idea.

Here I sit, a former HS footballer, most my friends played HS football. Here we also sit waiting to see who the final 4 are in the college game while some are watching a son, some relative play HS football. We see none of this over there. The game isn't a huge part of the culture there, it's just something they see on tv. There is no history/tradition pertaining to the game, no football trophies on the mantle, no scrapbook.

I understand your point on the travel and family etc. but you'd be surprised how many die-hard NFL fans there are in this country and that number is rapidly growing. NFL gets more tv time here now than pretty much any sport other than soccer and rugby. Every single London game that's been played here has been sold out also, suggesting that a franchise would get a lot of support..

[Avante]

I understand your point on the travel and family etc. but you'd be surprised how many die-hard NFL fans there are in this country and that number is rapidly growing. NFL gets more tv time here now than pretty much any sport other than soccer and rugby. Every single London game that's been played here has been sold out also, suggesting that a franchise would get a lot of support..

A few games a year is a whole other thing than 8** games. Now add what if the team sucks, which they will early on. Will the Brits support a loser? Right now there are no real emotional ties, nobody really caring too much about winning/losing. Once it becomes...their..team that will change. So what happens when the London Redcoats are going 2-14, 4-12, 4-12 after three years, will they still be supporting their.....loser?

** more like 10 with preseason.

Flying to London over a preseason game? Flying from London to Seattle over a preseason game?

[Avante]

Superbowl Match up Potential.....as of right now.

AFC

1.Denver
2.NE
3.Indy
4.San Diego
5.Cinncy
6.Pitt
7.Baltimore
8.Kansas City

NFC

1.Dallas
2.Niners
3.Arizona
4.Seattle
5.Green Bay
6.New Orleans
7.Philly
8.Detroit

[Avante]

Who stil thinks Kelvin Benjamin can't play in the NFL?

[Blake]

Who said he couldn't

[Aztecfan03]

Who said he couldn't

Avante likes to make stuff up to make himself sound smart.

[Avante]

Who said he couldn't

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238201

[Avante]

Wrong as usual Aztecfan03

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238201

[Avante]

Since the first month of 2013, the Steelers have gone...13-7, the Colts 13-7, but one was perceived to be a legit SB contender the other wasn't even thought about.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If I'm the Redskins I go with McCoy until he proves he can't hang, to play like he did in his situation,....outstanding!

[Avante]

Biggest upsets so far in 2014 since we know what we do now.

Redskins beat Cowboys
Titans beating Chiefs
Dolphins beating Pats
Bears beat Niners
Rams beat Seahawks

[chunticakes]

Since the first month of 2013, the Steelers have gone...13-7, the Colts 13-7, but one was perceived to be a legit SB contender the other wasn't even thought about.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If I'm the Redskins I go with McCoy until he proves he can't hang, to play like he did in his situation,....outstanding!

he'll come back down to earth. dallas reverted to the cowboys we all know and love tonight.

[Avante]

he'll come back down to earth. dallas reverted to the cowboys we all know and love tonight.

The Cowboys can't get up for MNF for some reason having gone 6-14 since 1980. Next week will be the true reading when they face the Cardinals.

McCoy did great considering the situation. At his age there is no need to see him do anything but improve.

[Avante]

Raiders 15.5 dogs, wow!

[Blake]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238201

You could have just bumped that thread

[Avante]

You could have just bumped that thread

I couldn't find it. It's already been dumped.

[Avante]

Is the AFC North becoming one of the best divisions? There isn;t a total wimp in that division.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well we do have....Megatron, The Beast, so...

Desuen "The Flash" Jackson

Colt "The Kid" McCoy

Geno "TD" Smith

Russell "Chill" Wilson

Richard "General" Sherman

Johnny "Splinters" Manziel

Hmmmm?

[Clipper Nation]

Desuen Jackson?

Also, Wilson's nickname is "Struggle."

[Blake]

Is the AFC North becoming one of the best divisions? There isn;t a total wimp in that division.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well we do have....Megatron, The Beast, so...

Desuen "The Flash" Jackson

Colt "The Kid" McCoy

Geno "TD" Smith

Russell "Chill" Wilson

Richard "General" Sherman

Johnny "Splinters" Manziel

Hmmmm?

What do these players have to do with the AFC North?

Where did you get those terrible nicknames?

[Avante]

Desuen Jackson?

Also, Wilson's nickname is "Struggle."

Hmmmm?

Clipper "The Leech" Nation

[Avante]

What do these players have to do with the AFC North?

Where did you get those terrible nicknames?

See that ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that means, moving on to something else, ok little man?

[Blake]

See that ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that means, moving on to something else, ok little man?

So now you have to have your own old man code system because you're horrible at communicating properly in the 21st century.

Neat.

[Avante]

So now you have to have your own old man code system because you're horrible at communicating properly in the 21st century.

Neat.


I did make the mistake of assuming anyone with even a half a brain would figure out a ~~~~~~~~~~ and then talk of nicknames had nothing to do with the AFC North. Yep, thought it was obvious, I admit I should have known better.....my bad.

Blake, don't you ever get tired of this? Never seen a worst case of Avante-itist than the case of it you have, wow~~~~~

[Avante]

This will be a first for me....

I'm seriously thinking about putting 1100 on the Steerlers Sunday night vs the Ravens. The line...pick um. By Sunday maybe Pitt-2.5.

I see the perfect "spot" here for a big Steelers win, they are one of those teams that do their best work in these nationally televised games and are great in November at 61-39 while the Ravens 51-51 (since 90).

Last season...

Pitt at home...19-16
Balt at home...22-20

Now this little scheduling gem......the Steelers in the third game of a three game home stand vs a Ravens teams on the road "again".

Help!


While here...

I don't follow baseball at all, but I heard (tv) about how the road team hasn't won a game seven in 30 years. So who here is going to ignore that trend?

[spurraider21]

Lol gambling advice from Colin cowherd and scamagazines

[Avante]

Lol gambling advice from Colin cowherd and scamagazines

Actually ya start with Larry Merchants classic....The National Football League Lottery....a fantastic book on gambling on NFL games. Then ya read Wayne Allyn Root, Marc Lawrence and what systems they use. The key is to be aware of "spots" that favor one side over another. Such things as...

heading into a bye
coming off a bye
Sept,Oct, Nov, Dec
Nationally televised night games
back to back road
back to back home
coming off a big win
comiing off a big loss
injuries
motivation

You need all the info you can get and understand how to use it. Then there's $$$$$ management, notice how I know the sure thing by doubling?

Don't be one of the kids guy, ok? Don't get stupid with....you're only around even with more than half the season left.....hahahaha!!!!!!! Dude, I went from - 330 to plus 500 in six weeks, now think.

The first half of a season is different than the second half, now teams start getting real serious about the playoffs as others want the season over. So we see things from a more realistic perspective, far easier from an ATS perspective also.

[Avante]

The Ravens best cornerback is out.......hmmmm?

[spurraider21]

pittsburgh and new orleans are getting too much love

[Avante]

pittsburgh and new orleans are getting too much love

True but they do play important two game swings in the division.

The Steelers are a great "only game going on" team. Play great in night games, that can't be said about the Ravens. And the Steelers do play their very best this time of a season, the Ravens don't. There is nothing pointing towards a Ravens win here...nothing.

As we know the Saints suck on the road, that right there is enought to ignore a play, no way I take Newton over Brees, so....ya just enjoy the action.

[Avante]

The greatest running back you have never heard of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF-VeROi5kA

[Avante]

Great running backs who played for some California team.

O.J.Simpson...USC/Niners
Marcus Allen...USC/Raiders
Bo Jackson...Raiders
Marshall Faulk...San Diego State
Ladainian Tomlinson...Chargers
Charles White...USC/Chargers
Reggie Bush....USC
Ricky Bell...USC
Kenny Washington...UCLA/Rams
Marshawn Lynch...Cal
Ricky Watters...Niners
Roger Craig...Niners/Raiders
John Henry Johnson....Niners
Wendell Tyler...UCLA/Rams/Niners
Keith Lincoln...Chargers
Delvin Williams...Niners
Paul "Tank" Younger...Rams
Napolean Kaufman...Raiders
Frank Gore...Niners
Joe "The Jet" Perry....Compton JC/Niners
Eric Dickerson....Rams
Jerome Bettis...Rams
Paul Lowe...Chargers
Freeman McNeil..UCLA
Mike Garrett...USC/Chargers
Marcus Dupree...Rams
J.D.Smith....Niners
Hugh "The King" McElhenny...Niners
"Deacon" Dan Towler...Rams
Garrison Hearst...Niners
Rashan Salaam...SD HS
Terrell Davis...SD HS
Ricky Wiliams....SD HS
Arian Foster...SD HS
Charlie Gardner...Niners/Raiders
Clem Daneils...Raiders
Maurice Jones Drew....UCLA/Raiders
Marv Hubbard....Raiders
Chuck Muncie...Cal/Chargers
Natrone Means...Chargers
Dick Bass...UOP/Rams
Lawrence McCutheon....Rams
Terry Metcalf...Long Beach State
Dickie Post...Chargers
Mark Van Eeghan...Raiders

I know what you're thinking.....how would Texas stack up?

Eric Dickerson...SMU
Ladainian Tomlinson...TCU
Jamaal Charles...Texas
Billy Sims...Tex HS
Adrian Peterson...Tex HS
Tony Dorsett....Cowboys
Curtis Dickey...Texas A&M
DeMarco Murray...Cowboys
Earl Campbell...Texas/Oilers
Craig James...SMU
Arian Foster....Texans
Abner Haynes...North Texas State
Don Perkins...Cowboys
Eugene "Mercury" Morris...West Texas State
Willie Ellison...Texas Southern
Calvin Hill....Cowboys
Bam Morris....Texas Tech
Cedric Benson....Texas
Wilbert Montgomery....ACU
Eric Metcalf....Texas
Emmitt Smith...Cowboys
Ricky Williams...Texas
Billly Cannon....Oilers
Duane Thomas....West Texas State........same backfield with Mercury Morris.
Dickie Post....Houston
Eddie George...Oilers
Priest Holmes..Texas

[Avante]

I talked to Judy about this, something I do when planning to make a serious play. Since I usually only play one/two of these a season and haven't lost one in a long time she agrees.

Unless I hear about some important injury between now and Sunday, I'm going to lay 5500 to win 5000 (the limit with my man) on the Steelers.

Here's why....

The Steelers have already lost to the Ravens, the Ravens haven't won both games since...2011.
The Steelers are one of the best teams ever in these Nationally televised games, having never lost at home in 23 years on MNF, ok this is Sunday night....but we can see they rise to that nighty occasion.

The Steelers are a great November team having gone 61-39, only Dallas has won more. The Ravens a 51-51 team and nothing special in these night games.

Now add these goodies...

12-0 ATS with revenge in Nov
9-1 ATS after BB home wins....this is their third home game in a row, Ravens in another road game.
3-0 ATS in the last three vs Ravens

That's a 24-1 trend favoring the Steelers and all they have to do is win the game.

And.....the Ravens will be without their best DB.

Now to make it really exciting, if I lose this bet which will be my only play this week if I do the pull the trigger, I will retire from Spurtalk, yep.....gone! I will load up my bag of tricks and hop an old freight heading south....................



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOd4Ra3B10E

[spurraider21]

:lmao charting their last 100 november games
:lmao using results of games from the 80's to make a pick for a game this week

[Avante]

:lmao charting their last 100 november games
:lmao using results of games from the 80's to make a pick for a game this week

The Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns have been around how long, why no SB appearances?

The Oakland Raiders have lost how many games in the eastern time zone?

When was the last time the Jags beat the Colts in Indy?

And it goes on and on and on....

For 23 years no matter who they faced if it was Monday night at home the Steelers won. Think about that.

[Avante]

Now that I have all the info I could muster...

The Panthers are banged up on the 0 line.

The great Drew Brees vs the inconsistant Cam Newton.

The Saints have scored 30 points more and given up 20 points less.


These Thursday games seem to be about who has the best QB.


I'm going to have to just ignore the road woes the Saints deal with, this is a huge game for the division so do I want Rivera/Newton or Peyton/Brees, boy that's a tough one.

I'll lay the 3, the Saints are the play in this "spot". How about 330 to win 300?


If I win I'll strut around like a peacock with a hard on rambling on about...."spots"...if I lose I'll run and hide like a little bitch until Sunday morining.

[benefactor]

Now to make it really exciting, if I lose this bet which will be my only play this week if I do the pull the trigger, I will retire from Spurtalk, yep.....gone! I will load up my bag of tricks and hop an old freight heading south....................

I got a prediction for you, lardass...you aren't going anywhere regardless of the result.

[Aztecfan03]

Now to make it really exciting, if I lose this bet which will be my only play this week if I do the pull the trigger, I will retire from Spurtalk, yep.....gone! I will load up my bag of tricks and hop an old freight heading south....................



Now that I have all the info I could muster...

The Panthers are banged up on the 0 line.

The great Drew Brees vs the inconsistant Cam Newton.

The Saints have scored 30 points more and given up 20 points less.


These Thursday games seem to be about who has the best QB.


I'm going to have to just ignore the road woes the Saints deal with, this is a huge game for the division so do I want Rivera/Newton or Peyton/Brees, boy that's a tough one.

I'll lay the 3, the Saints are the play in this "spot". How about 330 to win 300?


If I win I'll strut around like a peacock with a hard on rambling on about...."spots"...if I lose I'll run and hide like a little bitch until Sunday morining.

Does this mean you aren't betting huge on the Steelers?

[Avante]

I got a prediction for you, lardass...you aren't going anywhere regardless of the result.

You just talked me out of it little man, while I'll play the game just your basic 110 to win a 100 and yep....not going anywhere.:toast

[Avante]

Does this mean you aren't betting huge on the Steelers?

I saw a trend that changed my mind about making a big play, the Steelers are 1-8 as HF on Sunday nights coming off an ATS win. Don't like to buck strong trends, but will play 110 to win a 100 but not going anywhere.

[Malik Hairston]

Nice call on New Orleans, 'Vante..

[Avante]

Nice call on New Orleans, 'Vante..

Thank you sir.

Actually it was a pretty easy play, these Thursday games are all about the better QB. Only time we haven't seen that was week one when Seattle beat GB. But that Seattle home field advantage.....unique.

[Avante]

Notice how the best black QB's are lesser black?

You can just look at Geno Smith and tell he's stupid. The powers that be really didn't see that, I did.

Cam Newton is one of those who can't handle celebrity and it's obvious. If I'm his coachs..."cool the tv shit, ok? concentrate on the game, you're not Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers"

Braxton Miller might be back but he's never going to be a legit NFL QB.

[benefactor]

You just talked me out of it little man, while I'll play the game just your basic 110 to win a 100 and yep....not going anywhere.:toast
Welching before it even happens, eh? Well done.:lol

[Avante]

Welching before it even happens, eh? Well done.:lol

Like talking to a little kid, sheesh~~~~~

It's called finding other factors and changing your mind because of them.

[Avante]

I get my plays together early sunday morining but will talk about this one...

The Cowboys are not a good HF, the last 3 seasons...7-16, the Cards as a RD...13-6 in that same period of time. How can a 6-1 team get 4.5 points in any situation? Now add the fact Romo is not 100% and the Cards are one of the best blitz teams in the league, if not...the...best, and ....they are good against the run, so there's Romo in third and long. And....the Cowboys just lost their best defensive player.

No way I can pass on a 6-1 team getting 4.5, so I won't.

Oh yeah, the Cards the number one ATS team in the league so far in 2014.

[Avante]

Ok week 9


Ariz + 4 (called this in Tuesday)
Clev - 6.5
Niners -10
KC-9

Have to rethink Pitt.

[chunticakes]

I'm uncomfortable laying points with Cleveland.

[spurraider21]

i already had AZ in my pool when i was expecting Romo to play. even more of a slam dunk with weeden in

[spurraider21]

avante you went from laying huge $$$$ on Pitt to rethinking the pick altogether?

[Avante]

avante you went from laying huge $$$$ on Pitt to rethinking the pick altogether?

I fucked up, I went to a buddy's house in Delano to watch the Niner game, his computer was in the shop. I did play the game, put 550 on it. But...I know the culture here so I won't try to argue it.

[jimbo]

I fucked up, I went to a buddy's house in Delano to watch the Niner game, his computer was in the shop. I did play the game, put 550 on it. But...I know the culture here so I won't try to argue it.

Well it's just unbelievable that a statistical genius like yourself would buck all the trends and numbers to bet on this game at all, nevertheless dropping more money than you've won all season on it.

That'd just make you a gambling addict or something.

[Avante]

Well it's just unbelievable that a statistical genius like yourself would buck all the trends and numbers to bet on this game at all, nevertheless dropping more money than you've won all season on it.

That'd just make you a gambling addict or something.

All the stats/trends pointed to an easy Steeler win but one.....1-8 as a Sunday night HF. That's why I backed off the 5500 play. But I did play 550 and yep....easy money. But since I couldn't get to a computer, oh well.

If you have $$$ on the game, you are now involved, it's more exciting. Up a little over 900, will end up over 3000.

430 here which is all that counts as far as the internet goes.

[Avante]

Rankings after half a season.

1.NE
2.Arizona
3.Denver
4.Pitt
5.Dallas
6.Indy
7.GB
8.N0
9.Miami
10.Philly

SD, Balt, Sea, Cincy, KC, waiting in line.

[Blake]

Well it's just unbelievable that a statistical genius like yourself would buck all the trends and numbers to bet on this game at all, nevertheless dropping more money than you've won all season on it.

That'd just make you a gambling addict or something.

:lol

[Avante]

There is no doubt about it, I can out run Peyton Hillis.

Fastest while running back ever? That would be Billy Cannon a Heisman winner out of LSU, he was a legit 9.5 guy. Had a few good years as an Oiler.

[spurraider21]

There is no doubt about it, I can out run Peyton Hillis.

Fastest while running back ever? That would be Billy Cannon a Heisman winner out of LSU, he was a legit 9.5 guy. Had a few good years as an Oiler.
Al Davis converted him to tight end in his time with the Raiders

[jimbo]

There is no doubt about it, I can out run Peyton Hillis.

Fastest while running back ever? That would be Billy Cannon a Heisman winner out of LSU, he was a legit 9.5 guy. Had a few good years as an Oiler.

Sorry Avante but that title would go to an old cat from Tennessee called Richmond Flowers.

Just kidding, Johnny Football would burn these cacs alive.

[Avante]

Al Davis converted him to tight end in his time with the Raiders

Yes he did, something we saw a lot of back then. Heisman winner John David Crow was a 1000 yard rusher as a Card, the Niners made a TE out of him. Todd Christianson was a RB at BYU.

[Avante]

Sorry Avante but that title would go to an old cat from Tennessee called Richmond Flowers.

Just kidding, Johnny Football would burn these cacs alive.

Flowers was a wide receiver and would be among the fastest white cats to play in the NFL. The fastest wide player ever to play in an NFL game was John Roderick a 9.3 guy out of SMU. He was a Dolphin but did little.

Johnny Manziel wouldn't make the top 20 fastest white NFLers.

[spurraider21]

Yes he did, something we saw a lot of back then. Heisman winner John David Crow was a 1000 yard rusher as a Card, the Niners made a TE out of him. Todd Christianson was a RB at BYU.
Todd Christensen converted to tight end and at one point held the record for receptions in a season

[Avante]

Todd Christensen converted to tight end and at one point held the record for receptions in a season

Yep, that's right. Hard to believe as good as Todd was it was Dave Casper who was the best Raider TE. That....Biletnikoff/Branch/Casper trio about as good as it got.

[spurraider21]

Yep, that's right. Hard to believe as good as Todd was it was Dave Casper who was the best Raider TE. That....Biletnikoff/Branch/Casper trio about as good as it got.
imagine the Brown-Rice duo had come together about 7 years earlier

[Avante]

imagine the Brown-Rice duo had come together about 7 years earlier

Just think one of them a Heisman winner out of Notre Dame the other a small timer out of Mississippi Valley State.

First saw Rice play in an All Star game, the East/West game. He stold the show and now he's in with cats out of the SEC, Big8.

[spurraider21]

Just think one of them a Heisman winner out of Notre Dame the other a small timer out of Mississippi Valley State.

First saw Rice play in an All Star game, the East/West game. He stold the show and now he's in with cats out of the SEC, Big8.
if Tim Brown spent a majority of his career with greats like Montana and Young, and Rice spent a majority of his career with bums like Marinovich, Beuerlein, Hostetler, and Jeff George, their numbers would be interesting to compare

[Clipper Nation]

There is no doubt about it, I can out run Peyton Hillis.

:lmao Delusional, old, obese faggot

[Avante]

if Tim Brown spent a majority of his career with greats like Montana and Young, and Rice spent a majority of his career with bums like Marinovich, Beuerlein, Hostetler, and Jeff George, their numbers would be interesting to compare

Then there's this scenario....what if Jerry Rice had played at ND and Brown at MVS? While Rice was at MVS he and QB Willie Totten were the best QB/receiver duo in the country, obviously being at a small HBCU school they got no press.

Tim Brown was a fantastic player while in HS in Texas, that's when I first heard of him. He didn't have the straight line speed of Rice but was a better runner after the catch. And yes if he'd been a Niner with those QB's his numbers would even more impressive.

[spurraider21]

brown was a punt returner in his earlier days, he knew how to run

[Avante]

:lmao Delusional, old, obese faggot

Not at all, hey little guy I was a sprinter/running back/kick returner/cornerback with far more speed than Peyton Hillis. And I'm still faster than he is. I was a 4.5 40 guy .......on grass.

Ever wonder why I know so much about sprinting? I was a sprinter, a 9.9 yards guy.

[Avante]

brown was a punt returner in his earlier days, he knew how to run

Yeah I know, it was as a return man in HS that I found out about him.

[Avante]

What do we do with Big Ben? Does he belong in the top 10 All Time? Does he belong in there with Elway, Marino, etc? More top 20?

[spurraider21]

What do we do with Big Ben? Does he belong in the top 10 All Time? Does he belong in there with Elway, Marino, etc? More top 20?
tough question. truth be told i have trouble evaluating elway and marino, let alone Ben.

I personally like Marino over Elway, and some people disagree because of their superbowl history...

Elway made 3 superbowls in the 80's but he was pretty terrible in all 3 of them, and in his 2 superbowl wins, Terrell Davis was their best player and by a considerable margin. i don't think Marino ever was able to sit back and rely on the run. his role was a lot like Peyton Manning on the Colts, but with inferior weapons to what Manning had.

Ben is tough, because at his best he's as good as anybody. But you can't count on him to be at that level consistently, so i'd put him behind Marino/Elway. his "lows" are considerably worse than their lows

[Avante]

Now that we have a pretty good read on everyone.

It's all about playing those teams in the playoff mix vs those who aren't.

I'll be playing..

Arizona over St.Louis
Philly over Carolina
Green Bay over Chicago
Baltimore over Tennesse
Pitt over NYJ
Denver over Oakland
Dallas over Jax

The teams on the left are a plus 258 (points for and against) the teams on the left a minus 436.

Don't care what the number is. It's simply good teams playing bad teams. Don't need any trends or "spots". Didn't even
look for any. Good teams thinking playoffs, bad teams can't match the intensity.

[Avante]

tough question. truth be told i have trouble evaluating elway and marino, let alone Ben.

I personally like Marino over Elway, and some people disagree because of their superbowl history...

Elway made 3 superbowls in the 80's but he was pretty terrible in all 3 of them, and in his 2 superbowl wins, Terrell Davis was their best player and by a considerable margin. i don't think Marino ever was able to sit back and rely on the run. his role was a lot like Peyton Manning on the Colts, but with inferior weapons to what Manning had.

Ben is tough, because at his best he's as good as anybody. But you can't count on him to be at that level consistently, so i'd put him behind Marino/Elway. his "lows" are considerably worse than their lows

Well if we take all that into consideration it does get a bit funky. We can't ignore ...weapons. Some have Bradshaw in the top 10 simply because of SB wins, the guy played on a great great team (nine future HOFers, not unlike Bart Starr)

Big Ben has won SB's, his stats are as impressive as most, he extends plays like noboy else other than Tarkenton.

Yep, until Davis showed up Elways was just another good QB. Marino did have Duper and Clayton but no stud back.

How's bout

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Dan Marino
Steve Young
Brett Favre
Big Ben
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham
Troy Aikman
Warren Moon
Fran Tarkenton
Jim Kelly
Roger Staubach
Sonny Jurgenson
Terry Bradshaw
Kurt Warner

[AlexJones]

Well if we take all that into consideration it does get a bit funky. We can't ignore ...weapons. Some have Bradshaw in the top 10 simply because of SB wins, the guy played on a great great team (nine future HOFers, not unlike Bart Starr)

Big Ben has won SB's, his stats are as impressive as most, he extends plays like noboy else other than Tarkenton.

Yep, until Davis showed up Elways was just another good QB. Marino did have Duper and Clayton but no stud back.

How's bout

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Dan Marino
Steve Young
Brett Favre
Big Ben
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham
Troy Aikman
Warren Moon
Fran Tarkenton
Jim Kelly
Roger Staubach
Sonny Jurgenson
Terry Bradshaw
Kurt Warner

Any thoughts on pro wrassler Nick Bockwinkel, Avante? Just watched some old AWA clips of this guy and he's a fucking monster on the mic.

[benefactor]

Not at all, hey little guy I was a sprinter/running back/kick returner/cornerback with far more speed than Peyton Hillis. And I'm still faster than he is. I was a 4.5 40 guy .......on grass.

Ever wonder why I know so much about sprinting? I was a sprinter, a 9.9 yards guy.
:lol...it's pretty amazing how for you take your fake life. Do you really need attention that bad? You know you can get a dog or something. They will love you no matter how fat you are.

[Avante]

Any thoughts on pro wrassler Nick Bockwinkel, Avante? Just watched some old AWA clips of this guy and he's a fucking monster on the mic.

Bockwinkel was a second generation rassler, his dad Warren was a mid card talent in the LA area way back when.

Nick was one of the most articulate/intelligent rasslers ever, kinda of surprising he was even in the biz, it's real obvious he could have been a success at other things. Other than Verne Gagne he was the most successful of the AWA guys. A multi time AWA world champion.

Would be in the All Time top 20 pre Hulk Hogan era.

[Avante]

:lol...it's pretty amazing how for you take your fake life. Do you really need attention that bad? You know you can get a dog or something. They will love you no matter how fat you are.

I talk about...

football
blues
track
bobybuilding

...right?

Didn't I post pictures of my Fortress of Solitude and there we saw...

football trophies
weights
tons of CD's/books on them....blues. football, track, sci fi.
pin ups of sprinters
pictures of old blues cats

well?

I played football and ran track all thru school, got into the weights at 15. And never stopped lifting.

I own...

Track & Field mags since 1970
Tons of books on....blues, Islam, the black world, sci fi, football
around 20,000 football cards. Jim Brown rookie my prize.
I have a league MVP football trophy from 1978....flag football league.
Two bench presses and a ton of weights
All the REH Conans
All the ERB John Carter on Mars saga


Will you risk permanate bannishment over I don't? I can produce all of that if it meant getting rid of you. I did it once before, where were you?

I'm the real deal slick, that guy who grew up loving sports and music, so I took the time to learn all I could about my interests. And it should be obvious.

Little man how many people do you know who can talk about...

Charles Scales......Jim Browns back up
Roger Sayers....Gales older brother who was far faster than he was, actually beat the great Bob Hayes...twice.
Roy Shires....who teamed up with the blond bomber Ray Stevens early on as ...The Shire Brothers
Allan Woodring....who won the 1920 Olympic 200m .....as an alternate!

Yep...zero!

Wanna talk about old Houston Oiler running back Sid Blanks out of Texas A&I? Now tell me amigo who was the greatest NFLer out of Texas A&I? Who was Bill Groman?

[benefactor]

:lol trying to make a deal with me about producing evidence

I still have my bench press video tbh...you know...the one you backed out on making? I've said it to you many times...I don't give a shit about your pictures you bought of other people, magazines you bought or trophies(I can buy one right now at the local trophy store:lol). You make the video like we agreed and I will believe everything else. And spare me the "but you won't believe it's me" deflection. Proving it's you is as easy as a hand gesture.

[Avante]

:lol trying to make a deal with me about producing evidence

I still have my bench press video tbh...you know...the one you backed out on making? I've said it to you many times...I don't give a shit about your pictures you bought of other people, magazines you bought or trophies(I can buy one right now at the local trophy store:lol). You make the video like we agreed and I will believe everything else. And spare me the "but you won't believe it's me" deflection. Proving it's you is as easy as a hand gesture.

Dude, I like everyone else don't give a shit about you, ok? Look at how ya act....wow! Are you really so far gone you actually think anyone is buying trophies....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! So I went out and bought....

20,000 football cards
100's of wrestling mags
100's of track mags....you can only get with a subscription.
thousands of books
thousands of CD's/tapes
weights

..because of the internet, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

Are you really this stupid?

So how come I can talk about the things I do like old footballers, bodybuilders, tracksters, blues cats, rockers, authors like nobody you've ever seen? How would anyone know about Charley Tolar? You have no clue...right? First Oiler to gain a 1000 yards in a season. How do I know all this?

So I display football trophies I bought....HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a football card of Tolar, is that a lie? How would anyone even know he existed unless they saw him play?

Gamble permanent bannishment and I will show you all of that stuff. I own a first edition H.P.Lovecraft, is that a lie, wanna see it? I own 20 books on the middle east/Islam, wanna see them? How about those 1928 Dock Boggs recordings?

Watch as the freak totally tap dances around that.

[benefactor]

Any fat guy anywhere could know all of that or own all of that. Just like you are a fat guy who does.

I'm not the one who is making the claims...you are...and if all of that is true then you have done quite a bit more than me from an athletic achievement standpoint. That said, this "little guy" has challenged you to a very simple challenge by your standards and big, accomplished, athletic you can't complete it. I wonder why that is? Oh yeah...it's because you are liar and a fatty and probably a step away from a major cardiac event.

[Avante]

Any fat guy anywhere could know all of that or own all of that. Just like you are a fat guy who does.

I'm not the one who is making the claims...you are...and if all of that is true then you have done quite a bit more than me from an athletic achievement standpoint. That said, this "little guy" has challenged you to a very simple challenge by your standards and big, accomplished, athletic you can't complete it. I wonder why that is? Oh yeah...it's because you are liar and a fatty and probably a step away from a major cardiac event.

You do know I post on track and music forums right? Was posting there before I came here, actually moderated the famous SUB10 sprint board.

Why do you keep ignoring my den? So I have all those books on blues/track/football/bodybulding because...? I have all those football trophies....because? I have all those pin ups of sprinters and blues cats...because? Dude, I proved all that exists I showed pictures right here...ok? Why do you keep ignoring that? I have a bench and all those weights ....why? I showed pictures of all that stuff.

Give it up little guy, you have gone from looking stupid to looking retarded. You really think anyone goes out and buys, trophies...hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

I own these rookie cards...

Montana
Rice
Emmitt
Barry
Jim Brown
Elway
Marino
Allen
Campbell
Riggins
Franco
Dickerson
Favre

...so I went out and spent over a 1000 bucks, to fake it....hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a dumb little shit, wow!

I just happened to come across old track mags from the early 70's, you can only get with a subcriptio, hahahahahaha!!!!!!! I just happened to find all those REH Conans in one place....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

When I was a kid the fastest cat around here (central Cali) was Sam Davis out of Edison HS in Fresno. He'd end up at "speed city" San Jose State running on those great Spartan teams. Go ahead Google Sam Davis. Now remember I was in HS from 64-68.

Google..."Squirmin' " Sherman Lewis.....I know 'who?" First televised NFL game I remember seeing was Giants vs Bears, that was my first look at a fast, elusive black running back......Willie Galimore....go ahead Google it. Who just knows about Wilie Galimore, yep......nobody!

Then there was a white cat who could run, here ya go shorty your intro to....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P0Vo-MQJXw

C.R.Roberts would end up on the Niners, now how do I know that? Wanna talk "Choo Choo" Winters at Nebraska? How's about Prentice Gautt at Oklahoma/Cards? Oh hell yes, what fat fuck can't talk.....Eric "The Flea" Allen? Remember New Mexico's "Preacher" Pilot...?

Ya know when ya watch MNF and hear....there goes Homer Jones...in the intro? Would ya believe he was a world class sprinter at Texas Southern (beat Bob Hayes in an NAIA 200M) and the daddy of the.....spike. What fat fuck doesn't know that, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me slick, what did KC Cheif Curtis McClinton do that was a first?

Obviously I like it when little shits like numb nuts above challenges me on this stuff, love to show off.:toast

[johnsmith]

Yep, until Davis showed up Elways was just another good QB.



You serious here?

[spurraider21]

oh a broncos fan thinks elway is being slighted

[johnsmith]

oh a broncos fan thinks elway is being slighted

Or a Broncos fan thinking that Elway was an all time great regardless if TD ever showed up or not.

[johnsmith]

Sorry spurraider, next time I have an opinion on the NFL I will ask you if its ok or not.

[Avante]

You serious here?

I'll back off that a bit, but it's obvious the team got better with a great running back. Something Elway hadn't had.

Obviously a great back means third and 2 instead of third and 8. Which changes everything, now you are sustaining drives giving your D a much needed rest.

[spurraider21]

Or a Broncos fan thinking that Elway was an all time great regardless if TD ever showed up or not.
if QB's get bonus points for superbowls i think its fair to look at the circumstances for them. a lot of people think Elway > Marino simply based on the SB's

[johnsmith]

if QB's get bonus points for superbowls i think its fair to look at the circumstances for them

I don't really care about the argument you guys were having...it's a standalone comment regarding Elways talent. Read it again.

[johnsmith]

I'll back off that a bit, but it's obvious the team got better with a great running back. Something Elway hadn't had.

Obviously a great back means third and 2 instead of third and 8. Which changes everything, now you are sustaining drives giving your D a much needed rest.

Sure, absolutely. But you being a California guy and watching in the 80's know how good Elway was regardless if there was a run game.

[Avante]

I was born in 1949, started running track/playing football in grade school. Loved...speed...and I had it, for a white guy. I also had that wiggle and quicks. I was always into football and track.

I also grew up listening to Hank Williams and Muddy Waters, my dad was into that. My older sisters were into books. So I read their sci fi authors like H.G.Wells.

Saw Steve Reeves in "Hercules" at around 10/11 (go ahead find out when the movie was made) I wanted to look like that.

That's where I came from, why that is so hard to believe...???????????????

I need to know all I can/origins of things that interest me, so I find out all I can about them, why is that so hard to buy? Love the history of things.

[Avante]

Sure, absolutely. But you being a California guy and watching in the 80's know how good Elway was regardless if there was a run game.

Keep in mund I grew up watching Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Joe Namath, Sonny Jurgenson, and no Elway wasn't on a higher level than they were.

[johnsmith]

I was born in 1949, started running track/playing football in grade school. Loved...speed...and I had it, for a white guy. I also had that wiggle and quicks. I was always into football and track.

I also grew up listening to Hank Williams and Muddy Waters, my dad was into that. My older sisters were into books. So I read their sci fi authors like H.G.Wells.

Saw Steve Reeves in "Hercules" at around 10/11 (go ahead find out when the movie was made) I wanted to look like that.

That's where I came from, why that is so hard to believe...???????????????

Dude, where in the fuck did that come from?

[johnsmith]

Keep in mund I grew up watching Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Joe Namath, Sonny Jurgenson, and no Elway wasn't on a higher level than they were.


It's funny to me that you and my Dad are the same age. Mostly because he's a dignified, intelligent, successful, and mature 65 year old male and you are the complete opposite.

Lol

[Avante]

Dude, where in the fuck did that come from?

That was me talking to all those like benefactor who struggle with a guy like me. they can't seem to figure out not everyone is 25.

[Avante]

It's funny to me that you and my Dad are the same age. Mostly because he's a dignified, intelligent, successful, and mature 65 year old male and you are the complete opposite.

Lol

What's really funny is my son Mason gave this internet silliness a shot (messing with Blake) then out grew it at 21. It's now...."you still doing that dad?" I bet your dad (who I would totally take to school on most everything) is proud of his retarded son who gets a nut being an internet prick.

[johnsmith]

What's really funny is my son Mason gave this internet silliness a shot (messing with Blake) then out grew it at 21. It's now...."you still doing that dad?" I bet your dad (who I would totally take to school on most everything) is proud of his retarded son who gets a nut being an internet prick.

Lol...so your son is embarassed of you...that's pretty funny.

[johnsmith]

Also, I'm curious...what do you think you would take my Dad and most men of your age "to school" at?

[Avante]

Lol...so your son is embarassed of you...that's pretty funny.

Embarrashed of me or thinks you/me/anyone who spends time doing this needs other things to do like he does?

[Avante]

Also, I'm curious...what do you think you would take my Dad and most men of your age "to school" at?

Sports/music/making $$$/literature.

Dude, this is a forum about football, why you always attack other posters...???? What's up with that? You have this need to bug people....why? Why not just talk football?

I tell ya what, while in this forum we will talk football, got it?

[benefactor]

Dude, where in the fuck did that come from?
I didn't even reply back to him and I'm still in his head.:lol

He knows deep down that despite all his internet chest puffing I'm in better shape than he's ever been in. All those claims of greatness and he can't even complete a simple bench press challenge.

[Pelicans78]

To be fair, Elway had a great game in his 2nd Super Bowl victory. He was the MVP of that game.

[benefactor]

Lol...so your son is embarassed of you...that's pretty funny.
:lol...and Avante outs himself as the socially awkward weirdo on the internet we all knew he was.

[Avante]

I didn't even reply back to him and I'm still in his head.:lol

He knows deep down that despite all his internet chest puffing I'm in better shape than he's ever been in. All those claims of greatness and he can't even complete a simple bench press challenge.

You come in here and I'm in...your...head, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, ever notice unless you hump my leg we never talk? I'm in your head tiny, ok?

I noticed ya chicken out on my self bannishment thing, smart move stupid.

[Avante]

:lol...and Avante outs himself as the socially awkward weirdo on the internet we all knew he was.

That coming from a little weirdo who.......I need to show you this video, I'm in great shape, see see see see......as if anyone really gave a fuck. You come off being a total jerk guy, and if anyone is weird here, it's you.

[Avante]

To be fair, Elway had a great game in his 2nd Super Bowl victory. He was the MVP of that game.

Yep, he was better than just good. But, he was no Johnny U or Tarkenton.

[Avante]

You guys know the real reason I decided to do this....Avante....thread? I knew the same old little shits would follow me in here. Do I know my target audience or what, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, once ya get Avante-itist you're stuck.

[benefactor]

You come off being a total jerk guy.

I noticed ya chicken out
:lol

[Avante]

:lol

Totally owned:rollin

[Avante]

The best QB of all time by division?


NFC W...Joe Montana
NFC N....Aaron Rodgers
NFC E...Troy Aikman
NFC S...Drew Brees
AFC W...John Elway
AFC N...Big Ben
AFC E...Tom Brady
AFC S...Peyton Manning

[Aztecfan03]

You come off being a total jerk guy, and if anyone is weird here, it's you.
Pot. Meet Kettle.

[Avante]

Pot. Meet Kettle.

Do you see me out there following others around trying to bug them? I 'm here to talk football.

Look at you, we could be talking about......what is wrong with the Chargers....but you'd rather mess with me, why? You really find Avante that interesting?

[Avante]

Having the experience I do (around 55 years) I've picked up on a few things, one is don't get too carried away with a game or even a couple seasons. Things take some time.

Don't be surprised if Mark Sanchez plays like he did his first couple Jets season that he keeps the Eagles QB job. Yep, Foles had a great year in 2013 but he isn't looking the same in 2014.

[spurraider21]

sanchez was carried by the NFL's #1 defense and rushing attack. dont know if philly can replicate that

[Avante]

sanchez was carried by the NFL's #1 defense and rushing attack. dont know if philly can replicate that

Great point.

I do think Sanchez sees a golden opportunity here to get a starting NFL QB gig back. He would have to play great to supplant Foles. Like you mentioned can he get help?