***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[spurraider21]

Sorry spurraider, next time I have an opinion on the NFL I will ask you if its ok or not.
:lol if i ever say "x player on the raiders is being underrated here" you are allowed to take it with a grain of salt. goes both ways

[ChumpDumper]

There is no doubt about it, I can out run Peyton Hillis.Prove it.

[Avante]

Prove it.

I get this feeling you get off seeing how many grown ups you can bug in a 24 hour period, huh? The minute somebody..."go away retard"...you cum all over yourself, huh?

[ChumpDumper]

I get this feeling you get off seeing how many grown ups you can bug in a 24 hour period, huh? The minute somebody..."go away retard"...you cum all over yourself, huh?So you can't run that fast.

OK.

[Avante]

So you can't run that fast.

OK.

As the freak cums all over himself, ha~~~~~

I was a sprinter/running back shorty, with far more speed than Peyton Hillis ever had and being into physical fitness for about 40 yards I haven't lost a step, yes I don't have my 100 speed endurance anymore. Due to lack of endurance training for that event.

[ChumpDumper]

As the freak cums all over himself, ha~~~~~

I was a sprinter/running back shorty, with far more speed than Peyton Hillis ever had and being into physical fitness for about 40 yards I haven't lost a step, yes I don't have my 100 speed endurance anymore. Due to lack of endurance training for that event.Prove it.

[Avante]

Prove it.

Prove you aren't a total moron, prove it.

[Avante]

Looking at tonights game....

The Bengals are a great home team, one of the best. But.....they have sucked in these "only game going on" "spots".

There is this little gem....Browns 4-0ATS last 4 on Thursday nights. And they are 3-1ATS last 4 vs Cincy. Now add how the Bengals play in night games.

Sure looks like the Browns plus the number is the play. But.....the Bengals are 12-0-1 since 2013 at home. They are great at home.

So we have a conflict here. I never bet a conflict, yep....pass.

Check out Bengal back Jeremy Hill tonight, cat is a stud. Also keep an eye on Terrance West with the Browns another stud.

[Avante]

A few things...

If Jerry Jones let's Romo play vs Jags he's stupid, a rich idiot. He actually thinks they can't beat the lowly Jags without Romo? The Jags can't stop the run, so what's that tell us?

The Niners are losing it, no intensity at all. I blame Kaerpernick, the guy is not a leader and too "punkish".

How RW has done what he has without great receivers..??? Imagine a Gronk, Graham on the Seahawks.

Big Ben needs to start being talked about as being among the best ever. A top 15 ever.

I'll harp on this again.......stop freaking out over "a" game or even "a" season, it's......rookie! The perfect example of this was that KC vs Pats game. It was...THE PATS SUCK!!!!!...BRADY IS DONE!!!!!!!.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on people, damn!!!! AND...if you recall the Chiefs lost to....Tennessee.

It's a long NFL season, there are going to be games where a team simply isn;t into it....ok? It has....ZERO....to do with anything else. So slow the fuck down...ok?

[jimbo]

Flowers was a wide receiver and would be among the fastest white cats to play in the NFL. The fastest wide player ever to play in an NFL game was John Roderick a 9.3 guy out of SMU. He was a Dolphin but did little.

Johnny Manziel wouldn't make the top 20 fastest white NFLers.

Flowers was a runningback his last season at Tennesee and at times during his first season. Other than that you could call a wingback pretty much just an "athlete" in today's NFL...

But track speed doesn't mean jack shit when you're talking about football anyways. Flowers was a shitty runningback.

[Avante]

Flowers was a runningback his last season at Tennesee and at times during his first season. Other than that you could call a wingback pretty much just an "athlete" in today's NFL...

But track speed doesn't mean jack shit when you're talking about football anyways. Flowers was a shitty runningback.

Flowers was never an actual running back, and he wasn't drafted as a running back, he was a flanker who carried the ball some his senior season.

Flowers was an outstanding 110 hurdler, one of the best in the world, yep..."world class".

All these "world class" sprinters had good NFL careers...

*** were a Raider sometime in their career
$$$ Olympian



Bob Hayes FAMU/Cowboys$$$
Darrel Green Texas A&I/Redskins
Ron Brown ASU/Rams***$$$
Sam Graddy Tenn/Broncos***$$$
Willie Gault Tenn/Bears***$$$
Ollie Matson USF/Cards$$$
Alvis Whitted NCSt/Raiders
Cliff Branch Colorado/Raiders
Jacoby Ford Clemson/Raiders
Henry Carr ASU/Giants$$$
Isacc Curtis Cal/Bengals
James Jett WV/Raiders$$$
Mel Gray Missouri/Cards
JD Hill ASU/Bills
Michael Bates Ariziona/Seahawks$$$
Willie McGee Alcorn/Chargers
Johnny Jones Texas/Jets$$$
Trindon Holliday LSU/Broncos
Curtis Dickey Texas A&M/Colts
Gerald Tinker Kent State/Falcons $$$$
Larry Burton Purdue/Saints $$$
James Trapp Clemson/Raiders
Homer Jones TSU/Giants
Buddy Young Illinois/Colts

Now add...

Justin Fargas USC/Raiders...Cali 100m champ
Curtis Conway USC/Bears...Cali 100m champ
Napolean Kaufman Wash/Raiders...Cali 100m champ
Bo Jackson Auburn/Raiders...HS 9.5
Herschel Walker Georgia/Cowboys...10.23
Deion Sanders FSU/Falcons...10.26
O.J.Simpson USC/Bills...9.4
Wesley Walker Cal/Jets...9.5
Eugene White FAMU/Raiders....9.4
Michael Bennett Wisconsin/Vikes...10.18
Jamaal Charles Texas/Chiefs...10.18
Cecil Turner CPSLO/Bears...9.3
Mark Duper NWLa/Dolphins...9.4
Joe Delaney NWLa/Chiefs...9.4
Darrin Nelson Stanford/Vikes...9.4
Butch Woolfolk Michigan/Giants...9.4
Ken Burroughs TSU/Oilers...9.4
Pat Johnson Oregon/Ravens...10.2?
Phil Epps TCU/Packers...10.2?
Mike Miller Tenn/Packers...10.11
Sammie Parker Oregon/Chiefs..10.17
Tony Jones Texas/Oilers....10.2?
Terrence Newman KSU/Cowboys...10.20
Travis Williams ASU/Packers...9.3
Herkie Walls Texas/Oilers...10.3?


All notable sprinters who ...also...played football.

These sprinters all had good NCAA careers...

Sultan McCullough USC
Leonard Scott Tennessee
John Capel Florida
Richmond Flowers Tennesee
Rocket Ismail Notre Dame
Jeff Demps Florida
Andrew Hopkins SFAustin
Marcus Dupree Oklahoma
Javid Best California

You sure great sprint speed doesn't work in football?

When Jim Brown was "Da Man" he was a fullback, his halfback was Bobby Mitchell a 110hh/100 champ out of Illinois.

The great Don Hutson, who was the first great receiver was a 9.8 guy for Bama when that was a great time.

When Jim Brown retired in stepped another HOF to be back....Leroy Kelly...he was a 9.5 guy while at Morgan St.

Want more?

Sure ya do:hat

Cyril Pinder Illinois/Eagles...9.4
Amos Marsh Oregon/Cowboys...9.5
Billy Cannon LSU/Oilers..9.5
Alexander Wright Auburn/Raiders....NFL Fastest Man
Eddie Kennison LSU/Chiefs....NFL Fastest Man
Michael Haynes Northern Arizona/Falcons...10.2?

While in HS this cat ran the second fastest 200m in history. He is the current fastest player in all of football, yep, even the NFL.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds9AbZjKlWw

Winning the BIG12 60



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAltBCWZPLo

[jimbo]

Double post

[jimbo]

He wasn't an actual runningback because he had no football skills, but he was definitely a runningback in that he played the tailback position his senior year. Got 111 carries (their top runningback had 135). Problem was he just wasn't any good. He was an "athlete." That's why he didn't get drafted as a runningback. (He wasn't a good receiver either)

Not surprised about Tyreek Hill being the fastest in all of football. They don't stop talking about his track career when he's on the field.

And tbh, world class sprinters work at the college level because no one can fucking catch them. When you get to the NFL when you get against people nearly as quick as them that can also play football they get shut down. You can't be a one trick pony in the NFL. All I'm saying.

No shit people that can run fast tend to do good in a sport where speed kills...

[Avante]

He wasn't an actual runningback because he had no football skills, but he was definitely a runningback in that he played the tailback position his senior year. Got 111 carries (their top runningback had 135). Problem was he just wasn't any good. He was an "athlete." That's why he didn't get drafted as a runningback. (He wasn't a good receiver either)

What happened to...sprint speed means nothing in football...??? Well?

Flowers was a dual threat and there is a reason he got drafted. Speaking of Tennesee...

What about these track/footballers?

Willie Gault
Sam Graddy
Mike Miller
Harlan Davis
Leonard Scott
Anthony Miller
Terry McDaneil

[Avante]

He wasn't an actual runningback because he had no football skills, but he was definitely a runningback in that he played the tailback position his senior year. Got 111 carries (their top runningback had 135). Problem was he just wasn't any good. He was an "athlete." That's why he didn't get drafted as a runningback. (He wasn't a good receiver either)

Not surprised about Tyreek Hill being the fastest in all of football. They don't stop talking about his track career when he's on the field.

And tbh, world class sprinters work at the college level because no one can fucking catch them. When you get to the NFL when you get against people nearly as quick as them that can also play football they get shut down. You can't be a one trick pony in the NFL. All I'm saying.

No shit people that can run fast tend to do good in a sport where speed kills...

You are only 100% wrong about "world class" speed and the NFL. You didn't see my list?

Curtis Dickey was world ranked....he was a 1000 yard rusher.
Bob Hayes was an Olympic gold medalist, he's in the HOF.
Cliff Branch ran 9.2 nine times while at Colorado, he belongs in the HOF.
Ollie Matson was an Olympic 400m medalist, HOFer.
Michael Bates was an Olympic 200m medalist, a great kick returnerr

Need I go on and on and on .....again?

[jimbo]

What happened to...sprint speed means nothing in football...??? Well?

Flowers was a dual threat and there is a reason he got drafted. Speaking of Tennesee...

What about these track/footballers?

Willie Gault
Sam Graddy
Mike Miller
Harlan Davis
Leonard Scott
Anthony Miller
Terry McDaneil

What happened to ... flowers was never an actual runningback...??? Well?

I should have clarified my statement to what I said in my previous post. I forgot I was speaking to a t&f autist.

[jimbo]

You are only 100% wrong about "world class" speed and the NFL. You didn't see my list?

Curtis Dickey was world ranked....he was a 1000 yard rusher.
Bob Hayes was an Olympic gold medalist, he's in the HOF.
Cliff Branch ran 9.2 nine times while at Colorado, he belongs in the HOF.
Ollie Matson was an Olympic 400m medalist, HOFer.
Michael Bates was an Olympic 200m medalist, a great kick returnerr

Need I go on and on and on .....again?

I didn't read shit. Turns out guys that are good at football also have other football related skills other than running fast.

[Avante]

What happened to ... flowers was never an actual runningback...??? Well?

I should have clarified my statement to what I said in my previous post. I forgot I was speaking to a t&f autist.

So ya dumped....sprint speed means nothing in football.....smart move since you were totally wrong.

Richmond Flowers ran the ball about 10 times a game for one season, a season he also caught 20-30 passes. He was never just your basic running back, he was more a Percy Harvin type.

Look at Jamaal Charles with the Chiefs and Chris Johnson, both were stand out sprinters. As was Sammy Watkins with the Bills. Speaking of the Bills, Robert Woods the other receiver was the top 400m HSer in the nation. And their other receiver Marquise Goodwin was an Olympic long jumper.

[Avante]

I didn't read shit. Turns out guys that are good at football also have other football related skills other than running fast.

Do I really need a mile long list of great footballers without great speed?

Jerry Rice
Walter Payton
Emmitt Smith
Michael Irvin
Jerome Bettis
Larry Fitzgerald

and on and on and on and...............


Give it up little guy, you're whipped!

[jimbo]

So ya dumped....sprint speed means nothing in football.....smart move since you were totally wrong.

Richmond Flowers ran the ball about 10 times a game for one season, a season he also caught 20-30 passes. He was never just your basic running back, he was more a Percy Harvin type.

Look at Jamaal Charles with the Chiefs and Chris Johnson, both were stand out sprinters. As was Sammy Watkins with the Bills. Speaking of the Bills, Robert Woods the other receiver was the top 400m HSer in the nation. And their other receiver Marquise Goodwin was an Olympic long jumper.

He carried the ball 110 times his senior season. Try again small fry.



Do I really need a mile long list of great footballers without great speed?

Jerry Rice
Walter Payton
Emmitt Smith
Michael Irvin
Jerome Bettis
Larry Fitzgerald

and on and on and on and...............


Give it up little guy, you're whipped!

What? I'll break it down my post for you. I can tell your autism is flaring up tonight.


Turns out guys that are good at football

This means people that are good at the sport of football. Not track and field. Football. I think you already got this part.




also have other football related skills

So these guys, who are good at football have other skills that are related to football. Example, their vision/lateral cutting speed/hands.



other than running fast.

This excludes "running fast" from that list of other football related skills. That means they can do something other than solely running quickly.


You posted a list of guys who had football skills other than playing fast. I wonder if that fits into the statement I made?

[Avante]

He carried the ball 110 times his senior season. Try again small fry.




What? I'll break it down my post for you. I can tell your autism is flaring up tonight.



This means people that are good at the sport of football. Not track and field. Football. I think you already got this part.



So these guys, who are good at football have other skills that are related to football. Example, their vision/lateral cutting speed/hands.



This excludes "running fast" from that list of other football related skills. That means they can do something other than solely running quickly.


You posted a list of guys who had football skills other than playing fast. I wonder if that fits into the statement I made?

Now think shorty, how many games did Tennessee play his senior year? Do the math...ok?

None of that makes any sense since the NFL is choked full of former sprinters and always has been. So stop trying to get out from under being totally wrong, ok?

Check out his second run.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgYYaL--1qc

....the announcers couldn't believe it, Bo Jackson caught from behind....wow! That was a 400m cat out of SMU named Rod Jones, he was a legit sprinter. Like I said, the NFL is full of them.

Educate yourself slick, ok?

[jimbo]

Now think shorty, how many games did Tennessee play his senior year? Do the math...ok?

None of that makes any sense since the NFL is choked full of former sprinters and always has been. So stop trying to get out from under being totally wrong, ok?

Check out his second run.....


....the announcers couldn't believe it, Bo Jackson caught from behind....wow! That was a 400m cat out of SMU named Rod Jones, he was a legit sprinter. Like I said, the NFL is full of them.

Educate yourself slick, ok?

You don't run a single runningback in the Wing T, I thought you were a football expert... He was 2nd in carries for Tennesee that year, the top guy having 134 carries. (The guy after having slightly less than Flowers.)

and got it Avante, sprinters are the bees knees and dominate football. You happy?

[Avante]

This is cute, some fool actually trying to take me on in my pet topic, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

You don't run a single runningback in the Wing T, I thought you were a football expert... He was 2nd in carries for Tennesee that year, the top guy having 134 carries. (The guy after having slightly less than Flowers.)

and got it Avante, sprinters are the bees knees and dominate football. You happy?


Just don't say stupid shit like....sprint speed means nothing in football...ok? That is 100% wrong.

But....I;m not saying you have to have great speed to be a great footballer...ok? Emmitt Smith/Jerry Rice.....perfect examples.

Oregon once set a world record in 4x1 relay using three future NFL footballers and a world class Canadian.

When O.J.Simpson was at USC he ran on a world record 4x1 team with another NFLer to be Earl McCullouch, a fast white cat and a great Jamaican.

This could be sprinters...Travis Williams, Cecil Turner, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Buddy Young, Ollie Matson....etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD87VpasCZ4

[Avante]

Olympic sprinters who were drafted by NFL/AFL teams.

Bob Hayes
Henry Carr
Frank Budd
Ray Norton
Ollie Matson
Sam Graddy
Ron Brown
Larry Burton
Gerald Tinker
Stone Johnson
James Jett
Michael Bates
Johnny Jones

The Oakland Raiders track team.....some nations can't compare to this.

James Lofton...27-0
Bo Roberson...26-7 Olympic medalist
Dokie Williams 25-10
Willie Gault...13.2/10.10
Rod Woodson..13.2
Tyrone Wheatley...13.8
Jacoby Ford...10.01
Cliff Branch...9.2yds
Ron Brown...10.06 Olympic 4x1 medalist
Sam Graddy...10.09 Olympic 100/4x1 medalist
James Jett....10.16 Olympic 4x1 medalist
Alvis Whitted...10.07
James Trapp..10.14
Michael Benett...10.18

Now add..

Justin Fargas...Cali 100m champ
Bo Jackson....9.5
Napolean Kaufman...Cali 100m champ
Alexander Wright....NFL Fastest Man
Rod Barksdale...45.8
Terry McDaneil...45.6
Stanford Routt...20.6

[jimbo]

Tbh I was right about Flowers playing runningback, I was wrong to assume you wouldn't go full autist from a single near irrelevant line in my post.

[Avante]

Tbh I was right about Flowers playing runningback, I was wrong to assume you wouldn't go full autist from a single near irrelevant line in my post.

This is what you actually said...

But track speed doesn't mean jack shit when you're talking about football anyways. Flowers was a shitty runningback.

That is totally/completely/100% wrong. If a guy can play football...AND..has that track speed he will be special. History has proven that.....fact!!!!

Here we see the fastest running back to ever play football, once he became a Cowboy, they made a wide receiver out of him. He is the first HBCU NFL receiver to have a 1000 yards receiving. And he is in the Hall of Fame. What was his game, yep.....speed!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjNYy2aEMI

[Avante]

So we see Andy Dalton in a TV commercial, now he apears to suck.

Eli Manning was doing fine, winning SB's then here comes the commercials, what has he done since?

RGIII...hahaha!!!!

Richard Sherman, Russell Wilson doing commercials......5-3

There's Kaepernick doing TV spots, he's sucking.

Cam Newton doing all that TV stuff, look at him now.

I know......what about Peyton and Rodgers, ok, they make it work but they aren't young players either.

I have this theory that the other players the vets resent these guys making that extra $$$ and getting all the attention. Older guys like Manning/Rodgers have more respect.

[Avante]

+ 430

Week 10

KC-2
Balt-9.5
Arizona -7
Detroit - 3
Pitt-5
NO-5
Denver-11
Dall-5

110 to win 100

Will play GB-7 but not sure for how much, it will depend on my day.

Also looking at Philly minus the number, will need to see where I stand.

[Clipper Nation]

So we see Andy Dalton in a TV commercial, now he apears to suck.

Eli Manning was doing fine, winning SB's then here comes the commercials, what has he done since?

RGIII...hahaha!!!!

Richard Sherman, Russell Wilson doing commercials......5-3

There's Kaepernick doing TV spots, he's sucking.

Cam Newton doing all that TV stuff, look at him now.

I know......what about Peyton and Rodgers, ok, they make it work but they aren't young players either.

I have this theory that the other players the vets resent these guys making that extra $$$ and getting all the attention. Older guys like Manning/Rodgers have more respect.

Dri Archer not appearing in any commercials ever...still a scrub.

[jimbo]

This is what you actually said...

But track speed doesn't mean jack shit when you're talking about football anyways. Flowers was a shitty runningback.

That is totally/completely/100% wrong. If a guy can play football...AND..has that track speed he will be special. History has proven that.....fact!!!!

Here we see the fastest running back to ever play football, once he became a Cowboy, they made a wide receiver out of him. He is the first HBCU NFL receiver to have a 1000 yards receiving. And he is in the Hall of Fame. What was his game, yep.....speed!




This is what you actually said...

Flowers was a wide receiver

That is totally/completely/100% wrong. You actually thought you run a single, ONE, runningback in the Wing-T. Anyone's who's played a lick of high school football in the last 30 years knows no one does that!

Give it up small fry, I just exposed you harder than you exposed that 14 y/o in Vietnam. How have you been involved in high school football for the last X years but have no idea how basic high school offenses work?

[benefactor]

Jimbo taking fatty to the woodshed.

[Avante]

Dri Archer not appearing in any commercials ever...still a scrub.

So how did West do Thursday night, hahaha!!!!!!!

Only a dummy would play what you play, so what happens if Archer did come on small fry? Now think.

[Avante]

This is what you actually said...

Flowers was a wide receiver

That is totally/completely/100% wrong. You actually thought you run a single, ONE, runningback in the Wing-T. Anyone's who's played a lick of high school football in the last 30 years knows no one does that!

Give it up small fry, I just exposed you harder than you exposed that 14 y/o in Vietnam. How have you been involved in high school football for the last X years but have no idea how basic high school offenses work?

First off shorty, I never pulled any liberty in Vietnam so just like football you have no idea what you're talking about. And....where in the hell did you get this stupid idea 14 year old kids were allowed in the bars? Dude, hahahaha!!!!!!

Flowers caught over 1000 yards worth of passes while at Tenn, he never had a year where he caught less than 24 passes. At no time was he just a basic running back only, ok little man? He had 9 tds as a receiver, he had 7 as a RB. He lined up all over the place, like I said, think Percy Harvin not Marshawn Lynch.....ok?

Richmond McDavid Flowers Jr. Position: DB-WR
Height: 6-0 Weight: 180 lbs.


He left HS as a wide receiver, he spent most his Tenn career as "just" a wide receiver, he was drafted as a wide receiver. But....ended up playing cornerback. See ya learned something slick.

Now tell me again about how sprint speed means nothing, hahahaha!!!!!!! You do know that 40 times do decide draft status.....right? Let me guess....you didn't know that either.

You must feel pretty stupid trying to run.....sprint speed means nothing in football....and then seeing all those there because of that speed. The Raiders adored speed.

Have a wide receiver run a 4.65 and watch what round he goes in.

Since this is brought up all the time....

That young girl sex slave thing wasn't about the bar scene, ok? Those girls had to be 18, sure some 16 year olds had fake ID's but there was no way we saw 12-15 year old kids n the bars, ok? Those young girls were in the brothels/whore houses.....ok? I was into dancing/drinking and the bars.

[Avante]

I'm going to do something only I can do. How about an NFL Olympics? I don't think most of you really get this track/football connection.

*** a Raider sometime in their career

110HH...all sub14.00

lane

1.Jerry Tarr Orgeon/Broncos
2.Rod Woodson Purdue/Steelers***
3.Willie Gault Tenn/Bears***
4.Renaldo Nehemiah Maryland/Niners
5.Richmond Flowers Tenn/Giants
6.James Owens UCLA/Niners
7.Earl McCullouch USC/Lions
8.Jabari Greer Tenn/Saints

100m all sub 9.2/10.10

lane

1.Jacoby Ford Clemson/Raiders
2.Sam Graddy Tenn/Broncos ***
3.Trindon Holliday LSU/Broncos
4.Bob Hayes FAMU/Cowboys
5.Ron Brown ASU/Rams ***
6.Jimmy Hines TSU/Dolphins
7.Darrel Green Tex A&I/Redskins
8.Willie McGee Alcorn/Chargers

400m all sub46.00

lane

1.Terry McDaneil Tenn/Raiders
2.Johnny Thomas Baylor/Redskins
3.Ollie Matson USF/Cards
4.Larry Jones NEMo/Redskins
5.Rod Jones SMU/Jets
6.Rod Barksdale Arizona/Raiders
7.Russell Carter SMU/Jets
8.Alvis Whitted NCSt/Raiders

Long Jump all over 26 feet

Eric Metcalf Texas/Browns
James Lofton Stanford/Packers ***
James McAlister UCLA/Eagles
Vance Johnson Arizona/Broncos
Chris Sanders Ohio St/Titans
Bo Roberson Cornell/Raiders
Latin Berry Oregon/Rams
Marquis Goodwin Texas/Bills

200m all sub21.00

lane

1.Michael Bates Arizona/Seahawks
2.Larry Burton Purdue/Saints
3.Henry Carr ASU/Giants
4.Tommie Smith SJS/Bengals
5.Frank Budd Villanova/Eagles
6.Ray Norton SJS/Niners
7.Stone Johnson Grambling/Chiefs
8.Jerome Mathis Hampton/Texans

4x1 relay

lane

1.Giants...Richmond Flowers...Homer Jones...Henry Carr...Clarence Childs
2.Cowboys...Herschel Walker...Terrence Newman...Deion Sanders...Bob Hayes
3.Raiders "A"...Jacoby Ford...James Jett...Sam Graddy...Ron Brown
4.Chiefs...Sammie Parker...Eddie Kennison...Stone Johnson...Ken Thomas
5.Raiders "B"...Cliff Branch...Alvis Whitted...James Trapp...Alexander Wright
6.Packers...Steve Odom...Phil Epps...Mike Miller...Travis Williams
7.Bears...Willie Gault...Cecil Turner....Virgil Livers...Curtis Conway
8.Oilers...Herkie Walls...Charles Frazier...Tony Jones...Ken Burroughs

We have sixteen Olympians up there.

Right now....

Percy Harvin
Sammy Watkins
Chris Johnson
Trindon Holliday
C.J.Spiller
Robert Woods
Marquis Goodwin
Devin Hester
Jamaal Charles
Mike Wallace

...were all track guys.

[Aztecfan03]

Flowers caught over 1000 yards worth of passes while at Tenn, he never had a year where he caught less than 24 passes. At no time was he just a basic running back only, ok little man? He had 9 tds as a receiver, he had 7 as a RB. He lined up all over the place, like I said, think Percy Harvin not Marshawn Lynch.....ok?



Sounds more like a rb that was used in the passing game.

[jimbo]

Sounds more like a rb that was used in the passing game.

He was a wingback during most of his freshman year, his sophomore year and his junior year. He was definitely a tailback his senior year. This stuff isn't even debatable tbh. Like the UT website even says
Later that fall, he returned to the Vols and moved to tailback. (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/fballamerica/flowers.htm)

He got a hundred more carries his senior year than he did his junior year too...

But yeah, a wingback is basically just an athlete position. You have to be able to block, carry the ball and catch it. Most teams back then just put their most athletic player in that position. Walter Payton played it. Basically you just got guys that had runningback like athleticism and told em to play a receiver-like position that blocked more often.

It was closer to Percy Harvin than like Lynch, but a little different. Since blocking was a primary duty of the position you had to be a bit bigger. Like OJ Simpson played wingback early on in his career in the NFL.

I don't know how football savant Avante doesn't know any of this :lol. Especially when every other high school offense plays the Wing T.

[Avante]

He was a wingback during most of his freshman year, his sophomore year and his junior year. He was definitely a tailback his senior year. This stuff isn't even debatable tbh. Like the UT website even says

He got a hundred more carries his senior year than he did his junior year too...

But yeah, a wingback is basically just an athlete position. You have to be able to block, carry the ball and catch it. Most teams back then just put their most athletic player in that position. Walter Payton played it. Basically you just got guys that had runningback like athleticism and told em to play a receiver-like position that blocked more often.

It was closer to Percy Harvin than like Lynch, but a little different. Since blocking was a primary duty of the position you had to be a bit bigger. Like OJ Simpson played wingback early on in his career in the NFL.

I don't know how football savant Avante doesn't know any of this :lol. Especially when every other high school offense plays the Wing T.

We all know that my man, my point is Flowers was a WR when it came to the NFL and this is a "pro" football forum. The guy was 180 pounder, what's that tell us? He was a WR who "also" played some RB...ok?

Tell us all again about how sprint speed means nothing in football...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[RD2191]

Save the queen lol

[jimbo]

We all know that my man, my point is Flowers was a WR when it came to the NFL and this is a "pro" football forum. The guy was 180 pounder, what's that tell us? He was a WR who "also" played some RB...ok?

Tell us all again about how sprint speed means nothing in football...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!


Here's the thing. You said a "a wingback is a WR."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a footballologist who studies football, I am telling you, specifically, in football, no one calls wingbacks WRs. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "Receiver" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Receiver, which includes things from WRs to RBs to TEs.

So your reasoning for calling a wingback a WR is because random people "call the guys that catch balls receivers?" Let's get fullbacks and punt returners in there, then, too.
Also, calling Flowers a receiver or an Wingback? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A wingback is a receiver and a member of the receiver family. But that's not what you said. You said a wingback is a wide receiver, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the receiver family wide receivers, which means you'd call runningbacks, tight ends, and other position that could possibly catch a ball a receiver, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

[Avante]

Here's the thing. You said a "a wingback is a WR."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a footballologist who studies football, I am telling you, specifically, in football, no one calls wingbacks WRs. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "Receiver" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Receiver, which includes things from WRs to RBs to TEs.

So your reasoning for calling a wingback a WR is because random people "call the guys that catch balls receivers?" Let's get fullbacks and punt returners in there, then, too.
Also, calling Flowers a receiver or an Wingback? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A wingback is a receiver and a member of the receiver family. But that's not what you said. You said a wingback is a wide receiver, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the receiver family wide receivers, which means you'd call runningbacks, tight ends, and other position that could possibly catch a ball a receiver, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

I saw Flowers play while at Tenn, he was a wide receiver. He was a wide receiver in HS and was drafted as a WR. He was never "just" a RB. Take it or leave it little guy.

[Avante]

Russell Wilson has won....34 games so far in his career, what QB won that many in his first 46?

Who threw for more TD's?

Who won a SB in his first 37?

What QB had a higher passer rating after 46 games?

What QB ran for more yards?

Well?

[jimbo]

I saw Flowers play while at Tenn, he was a wide receiver. He was a wide receiver in HS and was drafted as a WR. He was never "just" a RB. Take it or leave it little guy.

Care to read this back to me?

Later that fall, he returned to the Vols and moved to tailback. (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/fballamerica/flowers.htm)




What do you think a tailback is exactly?

[Avante]

Care to read this back to me?

Later that fall, he returned to the Vols and moved to tailback. (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/fballamerica/flowers.htm)




What do you think a tailback is exactly?

Really getting bored with this shorty.

Flowers was all over the place, he was a wide receiver he was in the slot, he was a RB. But....he was recruited by Tenn as a WR, he was also drafted as a WR. If you see that as a running back....I don't.

Done with it, yep....boring!!!!!!!!!!!

Now if ya wanna try and sell..."sprint speed means nothing in football"....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Check him out....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMqjpqcOWP0

[Avante]

Before Marshawn Lynch there was.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui844C3TQVI

The greatest power back of all time is totally lost in obscurity today, and will never be found on any lists.

Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill was signed as a free agent by the Chiefs, he missed most his senior year at Southern U (small black school) injured. He was around 5-9 225 pounds and ran like a deranged camel. It was as if somebody on the defense had said something about his mama, he was that violent. He had little wiggle and not much speed, it was his attitude. In his two seasons he averaged over 5 yards a carry between the tackles.

Before the end of his second season Hill sustained a knee injury that required surgery, he died on the operating table.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HillMa00.htm

[Avante]

How I missed "the spot" I don't know. The Steelers finally going back on the road after a three game home stand playing a bad team heading into a bye week. The Jets 4-1 the last 5 seasons ATS before a bye. When were the red hot Steelers going to cool down....yep, on the road vs a weakling.

Yep......DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Bears quit and I had a feeling they would, I should have played more.

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The Cards can win without Palmer.

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Niners are still done, they got real lucky and they know it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dez Bryant is retarded.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jordy Nelson might be the best "white' receiver ever. Unlike Largent, Biletnikoff, Berry he can run after the catch. I can't count Don Hutson, he played against slow white DB's.

Ignore the above, Lance Alworth was the best white receiver. Welker plays a unique role.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have never seen a QB laugh more in a game than I did Aaron Rodgers last night.

[jimbo]

Really getting bored with this shorty.

Flowers was all over the place, he was a wide receiver he was in the slot, he was a RB. But....he was recruited by Tenn as a WR, he was also drafted as a WR. If you see that as a running back....I don't.

Done with it, yep....boring!!!!!!!!!!!

Now if ya wanna try and sell..."sprint speed means nothing in football"....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

You're getting bored cause you know you're full of it.

The guy had 110 carries and 25 receptions his senior year. That isn't a WR.

In conclusion, I have now identified the fastest white RB in history while Avante couldn't. :hat

[Avante]

You're getting bored cause you know you're full of it.

The guy had 110 carries and 25 receptions his senior year. That isn't a WR.

In conclusion, I have now identified the fastest white RB in history while Avante couldn't. :hat

You're not getting it at all, why am I not surprised? Flowers spent most his football career as a WR...ok shorty? He was recruited/drafted as a WR......alright little fella?

And Flowers wasn't the fastest white cat to play running back.

[jimbo]

You're not getting it at all, why am I not surprised? Flowers spent most his football career as a WR...ok shorty? He was recruited/drafted as a WR......alright little fella?

And Flowers wasn't the fastest white cat to play running back.

He spent most of his career as a wingback, not a WR. He spent his senior season as a tailback. This isn't even disputable which is why this is so pathetic :lol

:lol I didn't even realize he played runningback in high school too, it makes sense though. You don't waste that kind of athleticism on a high school team on a guy who'll only touch the ball on a quarter of the possessions at WR. Especially not back then.


During his senior year, Flowers Jr. was a standout running back.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/classic/bio/news/story?page=Flowers_Richmond


But tbh, I'll switch my position on this. Even though a Wingback is more RB than WR, (hence the back in the name, and playing in the slot versus out wide...) he wasn't a full time tailback until his senior season. He had already slowed down by then because of injury, and I don't know how his senior season track feats match up on the GWRBOAT (greatest white runningbacks of all time) list.

[Avante]

He spent most of his career as a wingback, not a WR. He spent his senior season as a tailback. This isn't even disputable which is why this is so pathetic :lol

:lol I didn't even realize he played runningback in high school too, it makes sense though. You don't waste that kind of athleticism on a high school team on a guy who'll only touch the ball on a quarter of the possessions at WR. Especially not back then.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/classic/bio/news/story?page=Flowers_Richmond


But tbh, I'll switch my position on this. Even though a Wingback is more RB than WR, (hence the back in the name, and playing in the slot versus out wide...) he wasn't a full time tailback until his senior season. He had already slowed down by then because of injury, and I don't know how his senior season track feats match up on the GWRBOAT (greatest white runningbacks of all time) list.


Smart move backing off....fastest white running back. He's not!

There have been four that were faster than Flowers, go ahead shorty.....who?

Here's one of them winning the Olympic gold medal in the 100m



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiRQhPG8a8w

[Avante]

Here we go, the fastest "white" running backs ever.

Lindy Remigino won the Olympic 100m in 1952 he was a HS running back.

Marty Glickman was a 1936 Olympian and a running back while at Syracuse.

Glen "Mr.Outside"*** Davis Army was one of the nations top sprinters, he'd win the Heisman and played with the Lions.

9.3 SMU sprinter John Roderick was a running back but once on the Dolphins was switched to receiver, didn't work.

Heisman winner Billy Cannon out of LSU was a 9.5 sprinter, played with the Oilers/Raiders.

Tim Dwight who starred with the Falcons was a WR/RB while at Iowa, a 10.3 guy who would win the Big10 100m.

*** While at Army Davis played along side a big fullback Doc Blanchard. They were the original thunder n' lightnin' duo as far as the college game goes (Bronco Nagurski & Red "The Galloping Ghost" Grange with the Bears the first) Blanchard would also win a Heisman.

Hugh "The King" McElhenny (Washington/Niners) was a stud hurdler in HS and obviously had great speed.

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett (USC/Rams)was a long jumper who ran on the 4x1 team, could really motor.


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Right now Oregon has a white receiver named Devon Allen, he won the 110 at not just the NCAA but our Nationals, he's a 13.16 guy which is "world class". He'd be in with another Oregon hurdler/receiver Jerry Tarr, he ran on a WR 4x1 team. Flowers belongs here also.

[Avante]

Speaking of white players.

All time white triplets by team

Niners...Joe Montana/Ken Williard/Dwight Clark
Rams....Kurt Warner/"Jaguar" Jon Arnett/"Crazy Legs" Elroy Hirsch
Seahawks...Dave Kreig/Dan Doornik/Steve Largent
Cards...Jim Hart/John David Crow/Bobby Joe Conrad
Packers...Aaron Rodgers/Jim Taylor/Don Hutson
Bears...Sid Luckman/Rick Casares/Johnny Morris
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton/Tommy Mason/Joe Senser
Lions...Matt Stafford/Steve Owens/Terry Barr
Cowboys....Troy Aikman/Walt Garrison/Lance Rentzel
Eagles...Norm Van Brocklin/Tom Woodeshick/Tommy McDonald
Giants....Eli Manning/Frank Gifford/Del Shofner
Redskins...Sonny Jurgenson/John Riggins/Jerry Smith
Saints...Drew Brees/Gil Fenerty/Dan Abramoweicz
Panthers...Jake Delhomme/none/Wesley Walls
Falcons...Matt Ryan/none/none
Buc's...Vinny Testerverde/Mike Alstott/none
Raiders...Kenny Stabler/Mark Van Eeghan/Fred Biletnikoff
Chargers...Dan Fouts/Dickie Post/Lance Alworth
Chiefs...Len Dawson/Ed Podolak/Fred Arbansas
Broncos...John Elway/Rob Lytle/Steve Watson
Browns...Otto Graham/none/Mac Speedie
Bengals...Ken Anderson/none/Chris Collinsworth
Steelers...Big Ben/Rocky Blier/Buddy Dial
Ravens....Joe Flacco/none/none
Patriots...Tom Brady/Craig James/Gino Cappeletti
Jets...Joe Namath/Mark Smolinski/Don Maynard
Bills...Jim Kelly/Wray Carlton/Bill Miller
Dolphins...Dan Marino/Larry Csonka/Howard Twilley
Colts...Peyton Manning/Tom Matte/Ray Berry
Texans...none~~~~~~~~
Oilers/Titans...George Blanda/Hoyle Granger/Charley Hennighan
Jags...Mark Brunell/none/none

The All Time All White Triplets

Joe Montana...John Riggins...Lance Alworth

[Avante]

Power Ranking

AFC

1.Pats
2.Broncos
3.Colts
4.Steelers
5.Chiefs
6.Browns
7.Chargers
8.Ravens
9.Dolphins
10.Bengals
11.Bills
12.Texans
13.Titans
14.Jets
15.Jags
16.Raiders

NFC

1.Cards
2.Eagles
3.Packers
4.Lions
5.Cowboys
6.Seahawks
7.Saints
8.Niners
9.Redskins
10.Vikings
11.Giants
12.Rams
13.Falcons
14.Bears
15.Panthers
16.Buc's

[Avante]

Ok, week 11

36-29 plus $1210

110 to win 100

Cleveland -3...no Arian Foster, no QB for Houston
NO - 7....won't lose two home games in a row.
GB - 6...Packers at home laying less than a TD?
NE + 3....Belichick/Brady coming off a bye.
Ariz-2....Lions 0-7 ATS last 7 vs Cards. Last season losing 21-24. 2012 losing 10-38.
Atl +2....gut feeling
Wash-7...gut feeling

So I have....Drew Brees,Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady in my corner. The team with the best record and a Browns team that's won 5 of 6 vs a Texan team that has won 2 of last 6.

Will be playing Pitt-6 on MNF just not sure for how much, yet.

Here I have the best MNF team in the league vs one of the leagues weaklings.

I realize ya lay in wait for me to have a bad week, haha!!!!!!!! Since week one...36-26 and I think by now it's pretty obvious I'm not going to be losing any $$$$$, remember I started off -330.

I do see both Denver and Chargers winning but simply too many points to lay in these "spots". That being Denver back to back on the road, Raiders 7-3ATS last 10 vs Chargers.

Yep, fun, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!

[leemajors]

Explain your gut feelings in an overly verbose historical context

[Avante]

Explain your gut feelings in an overly verbose historical context

Ok...

The trends have the Panthers in this "spot". I just have a feeling they are falling apart as a team. Hence...gut feeling. The Falcons are still in the mix in that weak ass division

The Redskins at home coming off a bye vs a weakass Buc's team, why not pull the trigger?

I like to play "one score" games if I can. I look for those plays first.

[benefactor]

Cleveland -3...no Arian Foster, no QB for Houston

hahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Thanks:tu

[spurraider21]

I like to play "one score" games if I can. I look for those plays first.
why did you put one score in quotes, as if it was some ambiguous statement?

[spurraider21]

hit Atlanta, missed on New Orleans, Washington, Cleveland

[benefactor]

hit Atlanta, missed on New Orleans, Washington, Cleveland
It's definitely getting easier.

[Avante]

It's definitely getting easier.

And then preceded to hit with GB, Arizona and NE.

Up $ 1280 little fella, 40-32. Have hit 12 of last 17, yep....it get easier.

What an idiot~!

It really isn't working is it gang, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's been 11 weeks now and I haven't lost a dime, averaging over 100 bucks a week in winnings, while not great it's tax free, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

While Riddley was pretty good this Jonas Gray is a stud.

The Pats not really known for great backs, their all time rushing leader....Sam "Bam" Cunningham*** (brother of Randall)

Their first good back back in the Boston Patriot days was Larry Garron out of Western Illiois, a speed guy. Big Jim Nance a former Syracuse wrestler was their first 1000 yard rusher. They did have Curtis Martin and Corey Dillon but they did their best work on other teams.

***Story goes when Alabama came out west (with their alll white team) to play USC, Cunningham ran all over them. Bear Bryant the Bama coach knew right then things had to change in the south if they were going to compete on the national stage.

[spurraider21]

While Riddley was pretty good this Jonas Gray is a stud.

The Pats not really known for great backs, their all time rushing leader....Sam "Bam" Cunningham*** (brother of Randall)

Their firsdt good back back in the Boston Patriot days was Larry Garron out of Western Illiois, a speed guy. Big Jim Nance a former Syracuse wrestler was their first 1000 yard rusher. They did have Curtis Martin and Corey Dillon but they did their best work on other teams.

***Story goes when Alabama came out west (with their alll white team) to play USC, Cunningham ran all over them. Bear Bryant the Bama coach knew right then things had to change in the south if they were going to compete on the national stage.
In the Belichick era they haven't really had full time feature backs... they've done a good job with spreading the wealth there. I remember in their early superbowl run Antoine Smith was a big factor but never piled on huge yards. Kevin Faulk was there for ages. Corey Dillon had a good run, Laurence Maroney was a failed experiment. But they've done well to shuffle around and get productivity when needed.

[Avante]

In the Belichick era they haven't really had full time feature backs... they've done a good job with spreading the wealth there. I remember in their early superbowl run Antoine Smith was a big factor but never piled on huge yards. Kevin Faulk was there for ages. Corey Dillon had a good run, Laurence Maroney was a failed experiment. But they've done well to shuffle around and get productivity when needed.

They have never replaced Kevin Faulk , talk about a chain mover.

Most teams have had some "great" back, like you alluded to that's not really what they do. Until tonight that is, haha!!!!!

Jim Nance was a stud but that was back in the old AFL days.

[Emily Rose]

They have never replaced Kevin Faulk , talk about a chain mover.

Most teams have had some "great" back, like you alluded to that's not really what they do. Until tonight that is, haha!!!!!

Jim Nance was a stud but that was back in the old AFL days.

How about that "lethal" Seahawks team? They are sure destroying the league with that 6-4 record and allowing Jamal Charles to run all over them, tbh.

[Avante]

How about that "lethal" Seahawks team? They are sure destroying the league with that 6-4 record and allowing Jamal Charles to run all over them, tbh.

I"m a Niners fan, so what's that tell you?

[Avante]

If Bradshaw is done what will the Colts do for a running back? Richardson has no burst at all, none.

[spurraider21]

kick the tires on michael bush

[Avante]

kick the tires on michael bush

I bet he's up over 300 pounds by now.

What is "The Law Firm" doing?

[Avante]

Jonas Gray inspired... just who were the best Notre Dame backs in the NFL?

Jerome Bettis gained more yards than any Golden Domer.

"The Golden Boy" Paul Hornung is in the Hall of Fame.

Now add...

Ricky Watters
Nick Pietrasonte...an old Lions fullback
Greg Bell
Allan Pinkett

Who am I forgetting.

Apparently Gray did little at Notre Dame. his story would be like that of old Cowboy running back Duane Thomas. Thomas was just a blocking back while at West Texas State, the star of that show was Eugene "Mercury" Morris.

[Avante]

Out of their last 34 November games the Pats are 31-3. Wow~~~

The Gronk the modern version of...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_vgG0lSZVQ

[Avante]

Did RGIII really say that? Is this dude one stupid fuck or what?

[Avante]

There is no doubt at all I can out run Trent Richardson.

[Avante]

Top 10 Steeler Running Backs

1.Jerome Bettis Notre Dame
2.Franco Harris Penn State
3.John Henry Johnson....first 1000 yarder Arizona St
4."Fast" Willie Parker North Carolina
5.Barry Foster Arkansas
6.La' Veon Bell Mich St
7.Frank Pollard Baylor
8.Rocky Bliear Notre Dame
9.Bill Dudley Virginia
10. LaGarrett Blount Oregon

Have never seen anyone run like this Bell kid does. Talk about a unique style, there it is.

[Avante]

I said this back in his Baylor days.....RGIII will not make it in the NFL. Then after his good rookie season I thought I was wrong, nope....I was right. People forget that at Baylor his running ability was a biggie, defenses had to play that. We don't see that in the NFL. He also didn't throw into tight windows like what is needed at the NFL level. He pretty much just tossed (instead of throw) it out there for someone to run under. He wasn't throwing guys open. Now add his personality, that....me-itist.

There is a commercial he did in his rookie season that has him running and jumping and we see track times attached to this, times he never ran. Yet he allowed that bullshit to stand. And this..."world class"...hurdler thing is bullshit. The guy never even made the NCAA finals. He was simply a "good" Big12 hurdler, nothing "world class" about him. He has never .."I was just a decent hurdler".

He;s done now as a Redskins QB, you do not talk shit about your teammates like he did. That is the one thing no player can do and get away with it, and he won't.

I expect to see McCoy finish the season as the starting Redskins QB.Then next season either a vet brought in or someone drafted.

[The Gemini Method]

How about that "lethal" Seahawks team? They are sure destroying the league with that 6-4 record and allowing Jamal Charles to run all over them, tbh.

:cry Your team lost to the Jets. You are not allowed to speak ill of any other team for the rest of the season.

[The Gemini Method]

Do the Colts get Ben Tate?

[Avante]

Do the Colts get Ben Tate?

I was going to talk about that, ya beat me to it.

Who else is out there that could step in (football shape) right now? Trent Richardson has no burst at all, yep...a bust. I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts are already talking to Tate.

Richardson is a simply a banger, a third and 1 guy.

[Aztecfan03]

I was going to talk about that, ya beat me to it.

Who else is out there that could step in (football shape) right now? Trent Richardson has no burst at all, yep...a bust. I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts are already talking to Tate.

Richardson is a simply a banger, a third and 1 guy.

I don't see how the Colts wouldn't put in a waiver for Tate. They just have to hope he reaches them.

[Avante]

I don't see how the Colts wouldn't put in a waiver for Tate. They just have to hope he reaches them.

How many playoff contenders need a running back? I'd think Tate would want to go with a good team, a place he is genuined to start.

[Avante]

The real reason Tate wasn't needed wasn't so much about Terrance West as it was Isaih Crowell.

Crowell started off at Georgia then got in some trouble (???). He ended up in the...SWAC...at Alabama State.

Which got me thinking about the SWAC running backs and the NFL.

How about...

Raiders...Clem Daneils, their first 1000 yard rusher, Prairie View
Bears...The great Walter Payton...Jackson St
Rams...Paul "Tank" Younger Grambling, the first player from the SWAC in the NFL. Willie Ellison a 1000 yd rusher, Texas Southern
Chiefs....Robert "Tank" Holmes and Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill, both out of Southern U, both signed on as free agents.
Bengals...Essex Johnson...Grambling
Chargers...Ricky Young...Jackson St

Oh yeah....Jerry Rice came out of this conference, Mississippi Valley State

As we know Terrance West came out of tiny Towson. So what other notable RB's came out RinkyDinky U?

Chris Warren...Furman/Seahawks
Wilbert Montgomery....ACU/Eagles
Dick Bass...UOP/Rams
Dave Meggett...Towson/Giants
Fred Jackson...Coe/Bills
Stump Mitchell...The Citadel
Joe "The Jet" Perry...Compton JC

Not sure we could call the Ivy League RinkyDinkyU.

The greatest NFL back to come out of an Ivy League school....Calvin Hill Yale, he was the first 1000 yard rusher for the Cowboys. A 25 foot long jumper.

[Aztecfan03]

How many playoff contenders need a running back? I'd think Tate would want to go with a good team, a place he is genuined to start.

He can only pick a team if he clears waivers.

[Avante]

He can only pick a team if he clears waivers.

Well no shit, come on guy.

[Aztecfan03]

Well no shit, come on guy.

your comment seemed to imply that Tate could pick where he plays. You hate people messing with you here, stop being a jackass because you are never clear about what you write.

[Avante]

your comment seemed to imply that Tate could pick where he plays. You hate people messing with you here, stop being a jackass because you are never clear about what you write.

I do tend to take into consideration everyone knows I'm a long long time pro football fan, so I do say some things assuming things are simply understood. I'll try to be more precise.

[Avante]

The NFL needs to try some other system to determine the playoff teams. We need to see the best teams involved. Something we won't be seeing using the current method. No 7-9 teams belongs there, while some 10-6 team isn't.

I also think they need to stop playing inter conference games. There needs to be some mystery involved like it was back in the old AFL days. There was a lot of..."just how would the Chargers do vs the Rams" In a couple weeks we'll see the Patriots vs the Packers, that could be a SB preview, so if they meet up there......we have already seen the game. Where's the mystery?

[Malik Hairston]

Avante, I have a trend for you, my nigga..

Home dogs that are getting at least 8 points are 26-9 vs. the spread the past few years, tbh..

[Avante]

Avante, I have a trend for you, my nigga..

Home dogs that are getting at least 8 points are 26-9 vs. the spread the past few years, tbh..

Once upon a time the strongest role a team could play was a small (3 or less) home dog, then it kind of dried up.

That is the kind of thing I try to search out and why yes there really is a science to this.

I do have a hard time playing dogs and it does hurt my game. I want the better QB, better team, at home. But....now I have to deal with a big number, something we don't see (usually) backing home dogs.

When we do see a number like that 8 we are going be seeing an elite team vs one of the weaklings. Not unlike Thursdays game with Chiefs at Raiders. It started off at Chiefs - 7.5.

Where did you come across that trend at?

Keep in mind a team will play one of these four roles...

HF...home fav
RF...road fav
HD...home dog
RD...home dog

You find a team that as a HF is 12-2ATS last 14 vs a team at 2-12 as a RD..... there's a play.

[Malik Hairston]

Once upon a time the strongest role a team could play was a small (3 or less) home dog, then it kind of dried up.

That is the kind of thing I try to search out and why yes there really is a science to this.

I do have a hard time playing dogs and it does hurt my game. I want the better QB, better team, at home. But....now I have to deal with a big number, something we don't see (usually) backing home dogs.

When we do see a number like that 8 we are going be seeing an elite team vs one of the weaklings. Not unlike Thursday game with Chiefs at Raiders. It started off at Cheifs - 7.5.

Where did you come across that trend at?

Heard it on a betting podcast today..

The only team that fits the criteria is the Vikings @ home, but I wouldn't risk taking them against a hot Packers/Aaron Rodgers right now IMO..

[Avante]

Heard it on a betting podcast today..

The only team that fits the criteria is the Vikings @ home, but I wouldn't risk taking them against a hot Packers/Aaron Rodgers right now IMO..

I know guys who only play division games, and that is a very smart way to go. You have a ton of trends/stats and will get a real effort.

Breaking down Packers at Vikes

Packers are 5-1-1 ATS last seven in this "spot'. Last time at Vikes...44-31. That was the game before Rodgers got hurt.

Little doubt this Packer team is better than that one while the Vikes are about where they were more or less.

Packers are plus a gaudy 105 as far as points go, the Vikes a weak minus 39.

Why not lay the number?

[Malik Hairston]

I know guys who only play division games, and that is a very smart way to go. You have a ton of trends/stats and will get a real effort.

Breaking down Packers at Vikes

Packers are 5-1-1 ATS last seven in this "spot'. Last time at Vikes...44-31. That was the game before Rodgers got hurt.

Little doubt this Packer team is better than that one while the Vikes are about where they were more or less.

Packers are plus a gaudy 105 as far as points go, the Vikes a weak minus 39.

Why not lay the number?

I agree, I meant I wouldn't risk betting against the Packers, even with the 26-9 stat..

[Avante]

I agree, I meant I wouldn't risk betting against the Packers, even with the 26-9 stat..

When we see a stat like that it is important to know the teams involved.

At this stage of a season it really does start coming down to QB play. I want to play Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Luck, RW, Rivers, Brees.....the best I can. What are the odds of all of those guys losing ATS on the same weekend?

I also look for teams in a serious playoff hunt vs those out of it.

[Avante]

Kansas City Texans/Chiefs running backs.

The first star of the old AFL was a slick running back out of North Texas St named Abner Haynes. He was the leagues first rushing leader, one of those...multi purpose...types, he returned kicks and could catch the ball.

While Haynes was there they also had Curtis "The Count" McClinton out of Kansas, all he did was win the Rookie of the Year Award. A power back with some zip. He would be the first AFLer to score vs the NFL, yep, the first SB (wasn't called that then).

Heisman winner Mike Garrett was the first big name Chiefs running back, cat was quick and elusive.

Then there was...

Woody Green ASU
Ed Podolak Iowa
Warren McVea Houston
Robert "Tank" Holmes Southern U
Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill Southern U

The 1000 yard rushers

Tony Reed Colorado
Mike Garrett USC
Abner Haynes NTS
Priest Holmes Texas
Christian "The Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye
Larry Johnson Penn State
Joe Delaney NWLa

Jamaal Charles Texas....here we have a guy who could have been a "world class" sprinter if not for football. He had that kind of speed. He is the king of the 5 yard average, no player in NFL history matches his average per carry with the same amount of carries. A case can be made that he is the best back in the league right now.

I will add this....

The Raiders could match that when it comes to running backs.

[Avante]

Blount back to the Pats.

[chunticakes]

Blount back to the Pats.

What are the picks for the week? I'm torn, I'm on a cold streak and I'm back down to .500

[benefactor]

:lol Avante

[Avante]

week 12

40-32 plus $1280

Time to start factoring in the weather which doesn't help things any. But....it's also the time playoff contenders start getting real serious.

NE-7....Belichick/Brady at home in November....nuff said.

Miami +7....the Fish can rush the QB, the Broncos are banged up. Historically speaking the Dollphins are 4-0ATS last 4 in Denver.

Dallas-3.5....Dallas is one of the best Nov teams in the league. 40-24ATS as a fav. The G-men 11-28 as a Nov dog. The Cowboys 3-1ATS last 4 vs Giants.

Niners - 9...I hate to lay anything over 7 but here we have a Niners team knowing the Cards could lose in Seattle at home vs a Redskins team that sucks on the road, now add the RGIII factor. Can't ignore the Niners 6-2 in this "spot" either.

Packers-9....the stats/trends all say Vikes in this "spot" but how do we ignore Aaron Rodgers vs a rookie QB with that home field advantage in the playoffs a very real possibilty, so we'll see a motivated Packer team. Beat the Vikes 44-31 last season in Minnesota.

If I go 3-2 or better I'll be backing the Ravens on MNF, the Saints aren't all that and the Ravens are 5-1ATS last 6 coming off a bye week. Saints 8-7 as a HF on MNF, the Ravens 5-8 as a RD.

So I have Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers/Cowboys coming off a bye/a fucked up RHIII/a banged up Broncos team....on my side.

[chunticakes]

:lol Avante See, you follow his picks closely and pick the opposite . That's why I want his input.

[Avante]

Seen you follow his picks closely and pick the opposite . That's why I want his input.

Let's compare your record with mine and you'd be minus $1280.

I challenge you to take the other side in those six games..ok?

[chunticakes]

week 12

40-32 plus $1280

Time to start factoring in the weather which doesn't help things any. But....it's also the time playoff contenders start getting real serious.

NE-7....Belichick/Brady at home in November....nuff said. Detroit has the best scoring D in the league. Won't be a blowout. Lions +7

Miami +7....the Fish can rush the QB, the Broncos are banged up. Historically speaking the Dollphins are 4-0ATS last 4 in Denver. You don't bet against Manning at home coming off a loss. Broncos -7

Dallas-3.5....Dallas is one of the best Nov teams in the league. 40-24ATS as a fav. The G-men 11-28 as a Nov dog. The Cowboys 3-1ATS last 4 vs Giants. Agree. This one I'm taking at Dallas -3.5

Arizona + 6.5...no team in the league has a better ATS record in 2014 than the Cardinals. A team that has won 6 in a row and 16 of their last 18 getting 6.5???? Exactly. The oddsmakers know something to give a 9-1 team a TD. LOLDrew Stanton. It's a bait job Avante! Seattle -7

Niners - 9...I hate to lay anything over 7 but here we have a Niners team knowing the Cards could lose in Seattle at home vs a Redskins team that sucks on the road, now add the RGIII factor. Can't ignore the Niners 6-2 in this "spot" either. You're being biased because you're a Niner fan. Line is too much. SF plays games close and Washington is a better team on the road. Pass.

Packers-8....the stats/trends all say Vikes in this "spot" but how do we ignore Aaron Rodgers vs a rookie QB with that home field advantage in the playoffs a very real possibilty, so we'll see a motivated Packer team. Beat the Vikes 44-31 last season in Minnesota. I agree even though Green Bay is 2-3 away from home this season, with only one of those victories coming by more than a field goal. GB -9

If I go 4-2 or better I'll be backing the Ravens on MNF, the Saints aren't all that and the Ravens are 5-1ATS last 6 coming off a bye week. Saints 8-7 as a HF on MNF, the Ravens 5-8 as a RD.

[Avante]

I should listen to this...
I pulled an Avante the last two weeks by going 1-4 and 2-3.

31-27 on the year.

Vikings +3
Packers -6
Falcons +1.5
Saints -7
Broncos -9.5
Chargers -10

I don't think so. Thrilled to see you disagree with some.

NE at home in November is the strongest "spot" in the NFL. The Lions on the road not the same team. Oh yeah the Lions are 0-15 last 15 on the road vs winning teams.

Denver was 6-4 last season as a HF, what are they this season as HF?

The Skins were 1-5 as a RD in 2013, what are they in that "spot" in 2014?

You ever check out stuff like this?

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/against-the-spread/


As ya can see I have the ATS advantage in all five games I'm playing.

[chunticakes]

I'm currently at 33-33.

[Avante]

I'm currently at 33-33.

33-33 so you're minus how much $$$?

I;m off the Arizona pick, it appears Larry Fitzgerald isn't playing. So forget that one.

Let me explain something here, while this 40-32 or 33-33 is fun it really doesn't mean shit, the bottom line is $$$$$$$$. How much $$$$$$$ are you winning? My thing is to be sitting pretty around plus $2000 heading into the playoffs. The playoffs are far easier to pick than these regular season game. Great teams at home.......best bet in sports gambling.

[spurraider21]

week 12

40-32 plus $1280

Time to start factoring in the weather which doesn't help things any. But....it's also the time playoff contenders start getting real serious.

NE-7....Belichick/Brady at home in November....nuff said.

Miami +7....the Fish can rush the QB, the Broncos are banged up. Historically speaking the Dollphins are 4-0ATS last 4 in Denver.

Dallas-3.5....Dallas is one of the best Nov teams in the league. 40-24ATS as a fav. The G-men 11-28 as a Nov dog. The Cowboys 3-1ATS last 4 vs Giants.

Niners - 9...I hate to lay anything over 7 but here we have a Niners team knowing the Cards could lose in Seattle at home vs a Redskins team that sucks on the road, now add the RGIII factor. Can't ignore the Niners 6-2 in this "spot" either.

Packers-9....the stats/trends all say Vikes in this "spot" but how do we ignore Aaron Rodgers vs a rookie QB with that home field advantage in the playoffs a very real possibilty, so we'll see a motivated Packer team. Beat the Vikes 44-31 last season in Minnesota.

If I go 3-2 or better I'll be backing the Ravens on MNF, the Saints aren't all that and the Ravens are 5-1ATS last 6 coming off a bye week. Saints 8-7 as a HF on MNF, the Ravens 5-8 as a RD.

So I have Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers/Cowboys coming off a bye/a fucked up RHIII/a banged up Broncos team....on my side.
patriots covered, packers didn't. 1-1 in the morning

Dolphins looking good right now, and Niners are in there

[Malik Hairston]

Avante, I have a trend for you, my nigga..

Home dogs that are getting at least 8 points are 26-9 vs. the spread the past few years, tbh..

27-9 now with the Vikings beating the spread..

[Avante]

So the Chiefs can kick the shit out of the mighty Patriots then lose to a winless Raiders.........anyone still not geting "spots"...?

This isn't LSU vs the SWAC where they win 100 out of 100 because the difference in talent is so huge, this is the NFL.....here all it takes is a few turnovers and the Jags/Raiders can beat anyone. So we look for 'spots" where a team has and advantage, yep just like Oakland had over the Chiefs. We could see that coming a mile away.

I won't be playing any of the Thursday games because I'd have to sit down and get involved, as we know with family over...can't do it. But.....the Lions at home coming off an embarrashing loss vs team that hasn't won three consecutive games since the first three weeks of 2013. Detroit 7-1ATS last 8 vs the Bears. Yep, perfect "spot" for the Lions to prowl.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As far as great catchs go....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfIeYtnaoo

[Avante]

In case ya haven't noticed if not for Russell Wilson is Seahawks are totally sucking.

[chunticakes]

In case ya haven't noticed if not for Russell Wilson is Seahawks are totally sucking.

Seahawks are winning in spite of him tbh.

[Avante]

Seahawks are winning in spite of him tbh.

Haven't seen one Seahawk game have you?

There are six teams playing tomorrow, being a Niner fan I hate to say this but......Wilson will be the star of the day.

[Avante]

If I'm the Colts I'm signing Ray Rice.

Colin Kaerpernick sucks! He's lost two games all by himself.

Right now it's looking like the Seahawks are the second best team in the NFC right behind GB. Getting healthy now.

The Rams are far better than their record, imagine this schedule....

Dallas
bye
at Philly
Niners
at KC
at Niners
at Arizona
Denver
at SD

And they did beat Seattle/Denver/Niners.....without a legit QB.

[Malik Hairston]

If I'm the Colts I'm signing Ray Rice.

Colin Kaerpernick sucks! He's lost two games all by himself.

Right now it's looking like the Seahawks are the second best team in the NFC right behind GB. Getting healthy now.

The Rams are far better than their record, imagine this schedule....

Dallas
bye
at Philly
Niners
at KC
at Niners
at Arizona
Denver
at SD

And they did beat Seattle/Denver/Niners.....without a legit QB.

They also blew a few of those games late in the 4th when they had a comfortable lead all game(and got robbed by the refs vs. San Diego last week)..they've been competitive in nearly all of their games, pretty impressive considering their QB and their D-line's slow start..

Do you have any leans for tomorrow?

[Avante]

They also blew a few of those games late in the 4th when they had a comfortable lead all game(and got robbed by the refs vs. San Diego last week)..they've been competitive in nearly all of their games, pretty impressive considering their QB and their D-line's slow start..

Do you have any leans for tomorrow?

Too bad the Rams don't play in the NFC South.

As far as picks/plays go....

I'll be back prior to the games with my picks, I always look for the last injury reports this late in a season with so many players banged up. I am looking at....

Balt
Cinncy
Buff
Pitt
St.Louis
Ariz
Indy
Den

will narrow that down to six or four depending on what I hear from now until about an hour before kickoff.

Miami vs the Jets on MNF seems too easy.

[Malik Hairston]

Remember that trend I told you about last week regarding Minnesota-Green Bay?(8 points or more home dogs)..

Jets are +7.5 in some places, it's approaching that territory..I'm terrified of betting on a team with Geno Smith at QB, but I'm thinking about it..

[Avante]

Remember that trend I told you about last week regarding Minnesota-Green Bay?(8 points or more home dogs)..

Jets are +7.5 in some places, it's approaching that territory..I'm terrified of betting on a team with Geno Smith at QB, but I'm thinking about it..

That was an interesting trend.

But...

The Dolphins are in the playoff mix, the Jets are not. The Dophins are plus over 60 when it comes to points, the Jets a woeful minus 110. The last two games the Dolphins have played at Jets....

2013 Miami 23-3
2012 Miami 30-9

Under Joe Philpen the Dolphins have owned the Jets in NY. Keep in mind those Jet teams were better than this one while the Dolphins weren't as good.

Now look at the last six weeks, the Dolphins 4-2 the Jets 1-5.

I can't see any reason to be backing the Jets in this "spot".

[Avante]

Week 13

44-35 plus $2150

Buff -3 ...when have the Browns won back to back road games? It's been over a decade.
Balt -6...west coast teams flying east vs a good team at home, great "spot".
NYG-3....the Jags simply suck.
Minn -2.5...the Vikes played the Packers tough, now at home again. Carolina 8-12ATS after a bye.

The Pats getting points in Nov, gotta love it. But....how do you go against Aaron Rodgers at home? Gotta pass.

[AlexJones]

The Pats getting points in Nov, gotta love it. But....how do you go against Aaron Rodgers at home? Gotta pass.

Gotta take the Pats if Vegas is giving em more than a field goal.

[chunticakes]

he's right, new england should be an auto-bet every time they're getting points.

[Avante]

The current line and the one I'll be playing is Miami - 6.5.

The Dolphins thinking they have a shot at the playoffs, so they must beat weak teams like the Jets. The Jets can't wait for this season to be over.

So I'll lay the number and play 550 to win 500.

[Avante]

Gotta take the Pats if Vegas is giving em more than a field goal.

The only problem with that is that the Pats will be on the road vs a great team.

[spurraider21]

Week 13

44-35 plus $2150

Buff -3 ...when have the Browns won back to back road games? It's been over a decade.
Balt -6...west coast teams flying east vs a good team at home, great "spot".
NYG-3....the Jags simply suck.
Minn -2.5...the Vikes played the Packers tough, now at home again. Carolina 8-12ATS after a bye.

The Pats getting points in Nov, gotta love it. But....how do you go against Aaron Rodgers at home? Gotta pass.
2-2.... Yawn

[Avante]

2-2.... Yawn

46-37 plus $2130

I have the Jets - 6.5 tonight, will play 550 to win 500.

I noticed your...Avante Bet Tracker...thing sorta back fired didn't it? Not too much fun posting....plus $2130...is it?

[spurraider21]

Not really. Still going by your 70% predictions claim.

Plus when it comes to your record, are you including that bullshit win you never posted here but afterwards claimed u made the pick?

[Avante]

Not really. Still going by your 70% predictions claim.

Plus when it comes to your record, are you including that bullshit win you never posted here but afterwards claimed u made the pick?

I made that pick on that other site as I showed. I couldn't get on here as I mentioned. I wasn't home and don't know my password. This is suppose to be about my 2014, well there is it. I have made $2130.

The bottom line is $$$$$$$$ once you get past 15.


http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?880313-Over-Under

[Avante]

Look at how Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson come off as intelligent guys while Kaerpernick and RGIII come off as "young".

Peyton, Rodgers and Brady more like Luck and RW and nothing like Kaerpernick and RGIII.

[spurraider21]

I made that pick on that other site as I showed. I couldn't get on here as I mentioned. I wasn't home and don't know my password. This is suppose to be about my 2014, well there is it. I have made $2130.

The bottom line is $$$$$$$$ once you get past 15.


http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?880313-Over-Under
stop cheating. you didnt post it here

and what time zone are you in? that was posted at 7:30 PM. if ur west coast, thats after the game started

[Avante]

stop cheating. you didnt post it here

and what time zone are you in? that was posted at 7:30 PM. if ur west coast, thats after the game started

I posted that at around 3:30 as made the bet a little after 4 as I mentioned. Do you really think anyone could pull that off on any board? We talked about the time of that post already right here.

[spurraider21]

I posted that at around 3:30 as made the bet a little after 4 as I mentioned. Do you really think anyone could pull that off on any board? We talked about the time of that post already right here.
why is it time stamped at 7:30 pm on monday?

[Avante]

why is it time stamped at 7:30 pm on monday?

I have no idea what's going on with that.

Do you really think I thought I could try that on any board....hahahaha!! Dude, you do not make a pick during/after a game, are you this far gone?

Norice how nobody in that thread said...."hey guy the game is already going on"...? Come on guy.

MNF starts around 5:30 out here in Cali, so I thought two hours into the game I could.........hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

I also talked about that here, notice the time.



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Will take the Ravens + 3.5 tonight for 550 to win 500

Will also play the over of 50 for 550 to win 500.

The Saints defense the reasoning there.

This is for a football forum I post on that is down right now.

[spurraider21]

who knows how many other bogus picks you've posted throughout the internet that you didn't also point here. i'm not buying it. you remembered the password to 2+ other forums but not the one you've made over 20K posts on? i dont buy it

[Avante]

who knows how many other bogus picks you've posted throughout the internet that you didn't also point here. i'm not buying it. you remembered the password to 2+ other forums but not the one you've made over 20K posts on? i dont buy it

The password on those forums in one I picked. The password here is 8 numbers that was sent to me, 8 numbers I have written down on the side of the computor. I've never tried to memorize them, never had to.

arcxzB6s

Who remembers that? (yes those are made up but similiar)

I made the bet and have already gotten my $$$$. I'm showing this board how my first serious season of picking NFL games "here" is going. I mentioned making that Ravens play right here, if I hadn't done that then I wouldn't have mentioned it. I said I might take them and I did.

So 46-37 plus $ 2130 is where things stand.

Miami - 6.5 for 500 tonight.

[Avante]

You do not yank your starting QB in an NFL game during a game. He is there because of a decision you made. You don't embarassh him in front of team/fans like that. Dumb dumb move on the Browns behalf. Hell no Manziel isn't ready to play.....yet. So now what? Now you have a QB.....nervous.

Stupid move.

It's looking like the Seahawks now have a legit chance at winning the AFCWest. There are getting healthy as the Cards begin to fade without Palmer.

Being realistic...

Seattle

loses to Philly
beats the Niners at home
beats the Cards
beats the Rams at home

11-5

Cards

can they beat the Chiefs at home...hmmm?
could lose at St. Louis
could lose vs Seattle
could lose at Niners

Let's give them two wins, so...11-5 but lost twice to Seattle.

[Avante]

Players with some longevity of greatness don't go bad....ok? Sure they begin to age like we all do but to think the coaches don't see that and do what needs to be done......come on.

Carlos Hyde was brought in because he's a power guy like Gore, yep a 30 plus year old running back is past his prime. Time to start addressing that situation.

Guys like Drew Brees, Big Ben, Peyton are on the downside of great careers but nobody in the organisation is drafting their replacements, why not? They all have another couple/few years left and it's obvious.

[Avante]

As of right now...

NFC playoffs....

Packers
Eagles
Seahawks
Saints
Cards
Lions/Cowboys

AFC

Pats
Broncos
Colts
Bengals
Ravens
Damn............

[Aztecfan03]

Miami - 6.5 for 500 tonight.

Not happening unless there is a pick-6.

[Flintstones32]

At the top of the page he has jets -6.5. Who wants to bet he says it was a typo and he really meant jets + 6.5 ? And that he never meant to bet on miami at all.

[Aztecfan03]

At the top of the page he has jets -6.5. Who wants to bet he says it was a typo and he really meant jets + 6.5 ? And that he never meant to bet on miami at all.

No he meant Miami (look at his posts on the page before this) But they didn't cover so he lost 550.

I misread your post a bit. But he has no standing to say he meant Jets +6.5.

[Flintstones32]

No he meant Miami (look at his posts on the page before this) But they didn't cover so he lost 550.

I misread your post a bit. But he has no standing to say he meant Jets +6.5.

I know what he meant. You know what he meant. Everyone on spurstalk knows what he meant. But hasn't stopped him before from changing his story previously lol

[spurraider21]

46-37 plus $2130

I have the Jets - 6.5 tonight, will play 550 to win 500.

I noticed your...Avante Bet Tracker...thing sorta back fired didn't it? Not too much fun posting....plus $2130...is it?
a) we can't count your falsified picks on that monday night game... for all we know you've made all sorts of losing bets on other websites that weren't posted here. we can't count those against you, and so by those standards we can't count those wins for you. For those are 2 "wins" you are counting (one for the game, one for the over/under), you bet 550 for 500 apiece. i have to deduct those

that puts you at a total of 44-37, plus $1,230

b) you lost your pick tonight, where you laid $550 to win 500. that leaves you at a new total of:

44-38 (53.4%), plus $680

[Clipper Nation]

a) we can't count your falsified picks on that monday night game... for all we know you've made all sorts of losing bets on other websites that weren't posted here. we can't count those against you, and so by those standards we can't count those wins for you. For those are 2 "wins" you are counting (one for the game, one for the over/under), you bet 550 for 500 apiece. i have to deduct those

that puts you at a total of 44-37, plus $1,230

b) you lost your pick tonight, where you laid $550 to win 500. that leaves you at a new total of:

44-38 (53.4%), plus $680
:lmao Old Faggot
:lmao "Betting expert"
:lmao "NFL historian"
:lmao "It gets easier every week"

[Avante]

a) we can't count your falsified picks on that monday night game... for all we know you've made all sorts of losing bets on other websites that weren't posted here. we can't count those against you, and so by those standards we can't count those wins for you. For those are 2 "wins" you are counting (one for the game, one for the over/under), you bet 550 for 500 apiece. i have to deduct those

that puts you at a total of 44-37, plus $1,230

b) you lost your pick tonight, where you laid $550 to win 500. that leaves you at a new total of:

44-38 (53.4%), plus $680

Look at where I say...."this is for a board that is down"....ok? I never talk the NFL on that board I only posted that thread because I couldn't log on here.

Will take the Ravens + 3.5 tonight for 550 to win 500

Will also play the over of 50 for 550 to win 500.

The Saints defense the reasoning there.

This is for a football forum I post on that is down right now*************************

[Avante]

:lmao Old Faggot
:lmao "Betting expert"
:lmao "NFL historian"
:lmao "It gets easier every week"

Plus $1630.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Look at where I say...."this is for a board that is down"....ok? I never talk the NFL on that board I only posted that thread because I couldn't log on here.

Will take the Ravens + 3.5 tonight for 550 to win 500

Will also play the over of 50 for 550 to win 500.

The Saints defense the reasoning there.

This is for a football forum I post on that is down right now*************************
for all we know, you've posted bets on different forums throughout the web. probably some losing ones too, but we dont count those, do we? we count what you posted here, surely you can understand why.

[Clipper Nation]

Plus $1630.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol "I always hit 65% of my bets"
:lol Reality: .500, way under .500, and .534 in three years of betting
:lol Now madly trying to move the goalposts to $$$$ when you originally bragged about your win/loss record
:lol Old Faggot

[Avante]

:lol "I always hit 65% of my bets"
:lol Reality: .500, way under .500, and .534 in three years of betting
:lol Now madly trying to move the goalposts to $$$$ when you originally bragged about your win/loss record
:lol Old Faggot

Then there's always real life.

46-38 and plus $1630 with 4 weeks to go and then the playoffs.

Yep, fun, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

for all we know, you've posted bets on different forums throughout the web. probably some losing ones too, but we dont count those, do we? we count what you posted here, surely you can understand why.

Surely you understand what..."this is for a forum I post on"...means, right? Why ignore that?

Why act like you don't see this?

Will take the Ravens + 3.5 tonight for 550 to win 500

Will also play the over of 50 for 550 to win 500.

The Saints defense the reasoning there.

This is for a football forum I post on that is down right now.***********************

[spurraider21]

sorry, the picks don't count here

[Avante]

Ok the last 4 weeks....ATS.

Now it's all about the best QB at home. With a few exceptions. Playoff wannabes at home with the better QB.

If you would have simply played.

GB
NE
Indy
Seattle

at home ATS would have gone....19-5.

Now those weak teams totally out of it on the road like...

Jax
NYJ
Ten
Caro
NYG

try...8-22 ATS.

That's where ya zero in on in December. Good QB's with playoff aspitarions at home and sucky team going nowhere on the road.

Just this week...

GB at home covered
Indy at home covered
Caro on road...nope!
NYG on road...nope! A dumb play!
Tenn on road...nope!

That's five winners simply playing that trend.

[Avante]

sorry, the picks don't count here

Sorry but since I made it very clear..."for a board I post on"...they do. Two sites I made the play on and thats after saying I'd make that play right here.

Yep.....46-38 and plus $1630 and it stands.

Do you want my real season and how it's really going, well there it really is.

[spurraider21]

every trend is amazing in hindsight

[spurraider21]

Sorry but since I made it very clear..."for a board I post on"...they do. Two sites I made the play on and thats after saying I'd make that play right here.

Yep.....46-38 and plus $1630 and it stands.
what if you have other online boards you post on where you've posted losing picks. we can't know for sure. you get 100% credit for picks you put on spurstalk. 0% for picks posted elsewhere

[Avante]

every trend is amazing in hindsight

I bucked two strong trends tonight....

Miami 0-5 on MNF and 0-7 on MNF vs the division and it cost me.

I thought Geno would fuck up, and the Dolphins would be stoked......nope!

[Avante]

what if you have other online boards you post on where you've posted losing picks. we can't know for sure. you get 100% credit for picks you put on spurstalk. 0% for picks posted elsewhere

If I hadn't of said,,,"this is for a board I post on"...I 'd go with that. But since I made it very clear that thread was only posted because I couldn't get on here, it will stand.

I only made that bet tonight because I had $2150 to play with.

My record will remain what it actually is...46-38 and plus $1650.

[Malik Hairston]

I bucked two strong trends tonight....

Miami 0-5 on MNF and 0-7 on MNF vs the division and it cost me.

I thought Geno would fuck up, and the Dolphins would be stoked......nope!

That trend I mentioned to you won again tonight, as we discussed a few days ago..

Home dogs at 7.5 or higher are now 28-9 in the past 37 games..big trend, hope we get a few more shots at some of those this season..I only bet 1 unit, sadly, was too scared to bet more on Geno Smith..

[spurraider21]

Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

[Avante]

That trend I mentioned to you won again tonight, as we discussed a few days ago..

Home dogs at 7.5 or higher are now 28-9 in the past 37 games..big trend, hope we get a few more shots at some of those this season..I only bet 1 unit, sadly, was too scared to bet more on Geno Smith..

I can see you get it and understand the "science" of it all. It is comical how some simply don't get it.

I bucked that trend and a couple others because I did see a Dophins team all jacked up over being in the playoff mix vs a lowly 2-9 team with....Geno Smith.

Well the Dolphins were totally flat and the Jets ran and ran and ran totally taking Geno out of the game. Yep...I fucked up and am done taking road teams.

[Avante]

spurraider

Nope, not going to work, this about my actual season not what makes you happy. You are now a total non factor.

46-38 and plus $1650.......reality is what matters.

Sorry guy but you have no say in this at all.

The key...

"this is for a forum I post on".........something that only a prick like you would ignore. Anyone else..."ok man you did all you could, that'll work". Which is what I would do or anyone else with some cool.

[spurraider21]

Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

[spurraider21]

you cant expect to get credit for those picks. if you lost those picks there is NO way you were sharing them here after the fact...:lol

[Avante]

Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

You can go with that.

I'll be going with reality...46-38 and plus $1650.

[spurraider21]

:lmao seriously imagine...

"ok guys, i know you wont believe me, but i made these 2 picks that i lost, so please remove $1,100 from my winnings"

you would never do that. we can't count picks from other sites because you can share them here at your discretion

[spurraider21]

Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

[Avante]

you cant expect to get credit for those picks. if you lost those picks there is NO way you were sharing them here after the fact...:lol

I never even thought about that.

The bottom line is I mae it very clear..."this isw for a forum I post on:"......so the play standfs because I aid Id be making the play and did.

46-38 and plus $1630.

[spurraider21]

:lmao seriously imagine...

"ok guys, i know you wont believe me, but i made these 2 picks that i lost, so please remove $1,100 from my winnings"

you would never do that. we can't count picks from other sites because you can share them here at your discretion


Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

[Avante]

seriously imagine...

"ok guys, i know you wont believe me, but i made these 2 picks that i lost, so please remove $1,100 from my winnings"

you would never do that. we can't count picks from other sites because you can share them here at your discretion

I totally agree if I tried to make that the norm. I was in a unique situatiom and did the best I could.

Why ignore what I said about taking the Ravens?

And...if not up over 2000 I'm not making the play I did tonight.

[Avante]

Did I say I;d take the Ravens...yep!

Did I post on two different sites that I did...yep!

46-38 and plus $1650.

[spurraider21]

Why ignore what I said about taking the Ravens?
because you can announce these non-SpursTalk picks at your discretion whenever its convenient. it makes no sense to include them on your SpursTalk betting tracker.

hey man, if you made this money in real life and actually made these plays, kudos for you. but this is the best we can do here

[spurraider21]

Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

[Avante]

because you can announce these non-SpursTalk picks at your discretion whenever its convenient. it makes no sense to include them on your SpursTalk betting tracker.

hey man, if you made this money in real life and actually made these plays, kudos for you. but this is the best we can do here

I said I'd take the Ravens right here. I made that clear the day I made my other picks.

I'm going with reality.

[spurraider21]

had the ravens not covered, i wouldn't count it either, since you didn't list the play here. its even footing

[Avante]

Wrong and will stay wrong.

46-38 and plus $ 1650.

[spurraider21]

the betting tracker is my thread, so i'm the judge, jury, and executioner. is it unfair to only count plays that you posted on SpursTalk? not in my book

[Avante]

had the ravens not covered, i wouldn't count it either, since you didn't list the play here. its even footing

Once again..."this is for a site I post on"...sealed the deal.

I have that $$$$$ and without it I'm not playing 550 tonight.

This will remain and will be the numbers I use. You can wander around in fantasy land if ya need to.

46-38 and plus $1650......real life!

[Avante]

the betting tracker is my thread, so i'm the judge, jury, and executioner. is it unfair to only count plays that you posted on SpursTalk? not in my book

I;d think you'd want the facts then. I said I'd take the Ravens and I did. I couldn't get on here so I posted the play to show here.

What more could I do?

Yep...46-38 and plus $1650 is reality, I'd think you'd want reality not some fantasy.

[spurraider21]

how do i know there isn't another "site i post on" where you have posted losing picks? it's inherently unfair to include them because as i said, you can always share any of your picks after the fact when its convenient.

i maintain that there is ZERO chance you would have shared those 2 plays had they not covered.

[Avante]

how do i know there isn't another "site i post on" where you have posted losing picks? it's inherently unfair to include them because as i said, you can always share any of your picks after the fact when its convenient.

i maintain that there is ZERO chance you would have shared those 2 plays had they not covered.

Where do you get this ..losing picks...from? How much $$$$$ have I lost here, yep....0. Hell, I started off minus 330, now look at where I;m at.

I had computer problems guy, nothing I could do about it so I did the next best thing.

I said I;d take the Ravens, I did. That is reality. We will go with that reality.

Like I said I only made that 550 play because I wa up over 2000.

[spurraider21]

Where do you get this ..losing picks...from? How much $$$$$ have I lost here, yep....0. Hell, I started off minus 330, now look at where I;m at.
:lmao don't make me pull up the 2013 betting tracker

[Avante]

:lmao don't make me pull up the 2013 betting tracker

Are you really dumb enought to think anyone with even half a brain is losing that kind of money, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! You honestly don't see a huge difference? Come on man don't be another Blake/CN....ok?

Notice how careful/cautious I play, picking good "spots" to double on? Bailing out of plays because of weather.

Dude, don't be a dummy, ok?

[spurraider21]

i'm just going by your spurstalk picks

[Avante]

i'm just going by your spurstalk picks

You can do that. I'll be going with my actual picks. Picks I can prove I made.

I had a unique situation occur. Anyone with some cool would get that.

[spurraider21]

thats fine. and your spurstalk picks will count in the spurstalk betting tracker :tu

[Avante]

thats fine. and your spurstalk picks will count in the spurstalk betting tracker :tu

This isn't about..."the Spurtalk"...anything, this is about my 2014 NFL betting season. I couldn't get to Spurtalk guy...ok? And never once thought..."this is for a site I post on"...would be any problems at all. What were my options?

It was a strong play and I wanted to make it, so I did and snce I already have the $$$$$$ it will stand.

One more time....without plus 2000 there is no 550 bet.

Of course I wouldn't expect to play this again but it's real obvious I had a situation. I was real confident it would be..."ok man you did all you could, cool............I never thought anyone would hassle me over this.

[spurraider21]

i'm sticking with what i said earlier. feel free to privately disagree

[Avante]

i'm sticking with what i said earlier. feel free to privately disagree

No more $$$$ plays since you don't like reality. Now it's just for fun..."here". Actually, my numbers (what kids play) will get better since without $$$$$ involed "here" I can make plays I wouldn't if I stand to lose real $$$$. Those two weather games a goood example.

From minus 330 to plus 680, not bad even if it isn't reality.

[Avante]

GB...5-3
Den...7=-1
NE...5-3
Sea...6-2
Indy...5-3

have gone....28-12 ATS in the month of December, the last two seasons, hmmmmm?

[Avante]

Since the early 60's I've probably seen ...hmmmm?....a few thousand football games, HS, JC, every Division, AFL, USFL,XFL, CFL, WFL, NFL. I've played in around (not counting street/play ground ball) 100 or so. One of the things I've picked up on is this...

If you want to win you'll need the black athlete, if the opposition has black players. The problem is they get too emotional out there and they make a lot of dumb mistakes. But being they can riun 4.3 you put up with it.

[Avante]

The Ravens vs Sints game is about over I think I'll head over to a board far more critical than this one and see if I can make a pick on the game and the over, who will notice I waited until the game was over..............hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then.....well I'll be damn nobody noticed it...............hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blake]

Sorry but since I made it very clear..."for a board I post on"...they do. Two sites I made the play on and thats after saying I'd make that play right here.

Yep.....46-38 and plus $1630 and it stands.

Do you want my real season and how it's really going, well there it really is.

:cry please believe me :cry

[Blake]

Are you really dumb enought to think anyone with even half a brain is losing that kind of money, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! You honestly don't see a huge difference? Come on man don't be another Blake/CN....ok?


Oh you mean don't be another person that calls you out on your bull shit.

:cry it was Mason that made the picks and we were laughing at you :cry :cry

[Aztecfan03]

I said I'd take the Ravens right here. I made that clear the day I made my other picks.

I'm going with reality.

You said you would take them under certain conditions. And those conditions were not met.

[Aztecfan03]

Once again..."this is for a site I post on"...sealed the deal.

I have that $$$$$ and without it I'm not playing 550 tonight.

This will remain and will be the numbers I use. You can wander around in fantasy land if ya need to.

46-38 and plus $1650......real life!
How do we know you never posted the same thing about other games that you lost?

[Brazil]

You can do that. I'll be going with my actual picks. Picks I can prove I made.

I had a unique situation occur. Anyone with some cool would get that.

you cannot prove shit :lol

[KoolAid Mans Brother]

:lmao Betting Expert
:lmao NFL Historian
:lmao Resorting to lying as usual once his picks went to shit
:lmao Three years in a row of flipping a coin
:lmao "This is going to be fun, hahahahaha"
:lmao "I will hit 70%, I always do"
:lmao Mason's picks
:lmao Voodoo
:lmao Pathological liar

[Jodelo]

You said you would take them under certain conditions. And those conditions were not met.

This. She posted that she takes them, when two other games were hit which weren't.

[Avante]

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

46-38 and plus $1650 is where I stand. That is the reality of this situation.

[spurraider21]

Current Avante Betting Tracker: 44-38, +$680

[Avante]

So afraid that I'm going to have a good/winning season, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love it, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Week one minus 330, after 13 weeks plus 1650....yep, expert!!!!!!!!!!!

If I bail out now I will have that great $$$$$$$ making season, so nobody wants to see how this ends up after the playoffs, ok.

[spurraider21]

its impressive that you went from -330 to +680

lets see if you can keep it up :tu

[Blake]

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

46-38 and plus $1650 is where I stand. That is the reality of this situation.

Nobody believes you.

You're a documented liar, documented welcher, documented loser

[Blake]

its impressive that you went from -330 to +680

lets see if you can keep it up :tu

weird that he's crying even though he's up

[Avante]

its impressive that you went from -330 to +680

lets see if you can keep it up :tu


What's real impressive is going from -330 to plus $1650 which is how much I 've won. Actually more but explained that.

[spurraider21]

What's real impressive is going from -330 to plus $1650 which is how much I 've won. Actually more but explained that.
that would be really impressive. if you have a good week this week, its possible :tu

[Avante]

that would be really impressive. if you have a good week this week, its possible :tu

So you really think I played a game after it was over? You really think I thought...."I'll post my pick nobody will notice the game has already been played"........you really think this?

[Clipper Nation]

So afraid that I'm going to have a good/winning season, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol From 70% to 65% to "a good/winning season." It's amazing how far the old faggot's standards have plummeted, despite claiming to be a "betting expert."

[Avante]

:lol From 70% to 65% to "a good/winning season." It's amazing how far the old faggot's standards have plummeted, despite claiming to be a "betting expert."

Week one....the Steelers blow a 21 point lead, and the Jets go for two. I end up losing all three games (simply fucked up with Carolina) BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....330 in the hole. Then I start chopping away....BOOM!!!!!!...plus over 2100. Now think stupid, yep....EXPERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If ya knew anything about this at all you'd know that 60% is amazing. Being an idiot, you don't.

Check out these handicappers, some of the best in the country. Look at their winning %.


http://nflpickwatch.com/ats/

Sure you'll have that season where things just went your way, ok....ya got lucky and hit over 60%. But....nobody...does it on a consistant basis it cannot be done. This isn't the NCAA, all it takes in the NFL to fuck up everything....a couple turnovers.

[spurraider21]

So you really think I played a game after it was over? You really think I thought...."I'll post my pick nobody will notice the game has already been played"........you really think this?
no, i just think you happened to share that specific play only after it was a winner. i dont know if you have also made losing picks elsewhere that you have chosen not to share.

in the interest of fairness, i'm only counting what you shared here in the timely manner. think of spurstalk like a bookie. you cant tell a bookie "i promise, i made that play yesterday!"

[Avante]

no, i just think you happened to share that specific play only after it was a winner. i dont know if you have also made losing picks elsewhere that you have chosen not to share.

in the interest of fairness, i'm only counting what you shared here in the timely manner. think of spurstalk like a bookie. you cant tell a bookie "i promise, i made that play yesterday!"

And if I hadn't talked about taking the Ravens I'd understand that. I did make the play, I talked about it and mentioned this place. I;m up over 1600 bucks that I talked about here.

I;m going with where I actually stand, it doesn't matter what you do.

[spurraider21]

And if I hadn't talked about taking the Ravens I'd understand that. I did make the play, I talked about it and mentioned this place. I;m up over 1600 bucks that I talked about here.

I;m going with where I actually stand, it doesn't matter what you do.
you talked about picking baltimore... but you CLEARLY said "if i go 3-2 or better I'll be backing the Ravens" in this post. i'll put it in bold for you

week 12

40-32 plus $1280

Time to start factoring in the weather which doesn't help things any. But....it's also the time playoff contenders start getting real serious.

NE-7....Belichick/Brady at home in November....nuff said.

Miami +7....the Fish can rush the QB, the Broncos are banged up. Historically speaking the Dollphins are 4-0ATS last 4 in Denver.

Dallas-3.5....Dallas is one of the best Nov teams in the league. 40-24ATS as a fav. The G-men 11-28 as a Nov dog. The Cowboys 3-1ATS last 4 vs Giants.

Niners - 9...I hate to lay anything over 7 but here we have a Niners team knowing the Cards could lose in Seattle at home vs a Redskins team that sucks on the road, now add the RGIII factor. Can't ignore the Niners 6-2 in this "spot" either.

Packers-9....the stats/trends all say Vikes in this "spot" but how do we ignore Aaron Rodgers vs a rookie QB with that home field advantage in the playoffs a very real possibilty, so we'll see a motivated Packer team. Beat the Vikes 44-31 last season in Minnesota.

If I go 3-2 or better I'll be backing the Ravens on MNF, the Saints aren't all that and the Ravens are 5-1ATS last 6 coming off a bye week. Saints 8-7 as a HF on MNF, the Ravens 5-8 as a RD.

So I have Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers/Cowboys coming off a bye/a fucked up RHIII/a banged up Broncos team....on my side.
but you didn't go 3-2. you went 2-3. you won your Dolphins and Patriots picks, lost the Cowboys, Packers, and Niners

that means you didnt intend to pick baltimore here

[spurraider21]

and nowhere did you even mention over/under

[Avante]

you talked about picking baltimore... but you CLEARLY said "if i go 3-2 or better I'll be backing the Ravens" in this post. i'll put it in bold for you

but you didn't go 3-2. you went 2-3. you won your Dolphins and Patriots picks, lost the Cowboys, Packers, and Niners

that means you didnt intend to pick baltimore here

I visited a bar up at my home at the Lake, the bartender is the guiy who I do my plays thru. He got me into this stuff years ago, he's an old HS football buddy. We started talking football he talked me into going ahead with that Ravens play and the over, plays he'd made. So I did but I was away from this computer so he let me get on his, I get here and I'm logged off for some unknown reason. And I don't have this password written down. So I go to a board where I know the simple password because I came up with it. I had no idea that would be a problem at all. Actually surprised at how you're acting.

Keep in mind if not for the 2000 plus I;m not making that 550 play, so I;m getting fucked.

Dude, it isn't real obvious I had a problem , come on guy.

[spurraider21]

:lmao is this for real?

[spurraider21]

44-38, +$680

[Avante]

:lmao is this for real?

It's very real, and not the first time it's happened. He just wasn't there and I had no computer access but made some plays on their phone. Dude, I;m up over 3500. But would never ever expect that to fly since I never talked about the plays or did anything to prove I made them.

[Avante]

44-38, +$680

Sure would be more fun seeing how I did after a complete season and the playoffs, huh? Wouldn't ya love to watch me lose my ass so ya could,.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd think you'd want to watch an expert working money management in a playoffs scenario.

Ok, plus 680.

I'll finish the season someplace else.

[leemajors]

Alternately wheedling and back pedaling :lol

[Avante]

Alternately wheedling and back pedaling :lol

When somebody tells me......"remember me mentioning taking the Ravens, well I did but had computer problems here, so I posted the play over on two other sites...ok?"....I'm. "ok man but just this once, alright?" Not acting like a little prick over it.

[benefactor]

Dude, I;m up over 3500. But would never ever expect that to fly since I never talked about the plays or did anything to prove I made them.
:lol...I was wondering at what point during this discussion you were going to play this card. Predictable as ever.:lol

[Avante]

:lol...I was wondering at what point during this discussion you were going to play this card. Predictable as ever.:lol

Been at this for a long time, I don't lose $$$$$$$.......ever!!!!!!!!!!!! The only question is how much will I win this season?

[spurraider21]

Ok, plus 680.

I'll finish the season someplace else.
good riddance

[Blake]

Sure would be more fun seeing how I did after a complete season and the playoffs, huh? Wouldn't ya love to watch me lose my ass so ya could,.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes.

Just like we all hahahahahahed the last two seasons.



Ok, plus 680.

I'll finish the season someplace else.

What a huge fat pussy.

[Avante]

OK, if you followed my 2014 season you saw me back out of two winners because of weather, saw me talk about the Ravens being the play and winning a 1000 there, start off 330 in the hole and then get up to over 2000 before week 14. If not for bogus weather reports add another 200, if not for a computer fuck up, add another 1000 only to lose 500 so only add 500.

I showed you guys how to win $$$$$$ vs the NFL point spread and it isn't easy.

Now I'm done "here' for this season. I said I'd make my legit $$$$$ plays here this season and I did. It was fun.

I'll end the betting aspects of it with this advice....

December is the easiest month to make $$$$$$, now you will get 100% effort (playoff teams), something we don't always see early on. So you'll be looking at that better QB/home play. Now is the time to play those stud QB's as HF's. Put your $$$$ in the hands of Rodgers, Peyton, RW, Luck, Brady now, go against the weaklings like Jax, Tenn, NYG, TB on the road.

Good luck!

[Clipper Nation]

I visited a bar up at my home at the Lake, the bartender is the guiy who I do my plays thru. He got me into this stuff years ago, he's an old HS football buddy. We started talking football he talked me into going ahead with that Ravens play and the over, plays he'd made. So I did but I was away from this computer so he let me get on his, I get here and I'm logged off for some unknown reason. And I don't have this password written down. So I go to a board where I know the simple password because I came up with it. I had no idea that would be a problem at all. Actually surprised at how you're acting.

Keep in mind if not for the 2000 plus I;m not making that 550 play, so I;m getting fucked.

Dude, it isn't real obvious I had a problem , come on guy.
More lies from the fat fuck.

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, I;m up over 3500. But would never ever expect that to fly since I never talked about the plays or did anything to prove I made them.

You are a chronic and habitual liar. Literally every year now you've ended up denying that you really made the picks you've been posting. You can't really think anyone's going to believe you, right?

[spurraider21]

It's very real, and not the first time it's happened. He just wasn't there and I had no computer access but made some plays on their phone. Dude, I;m up over 3500. But would never ever expect that to fly since I never talked about the plays or did anything to prove I made them.
why wouldn't you post plays here if you are making them?

you are a phony bologna

[Avante]

More lies from the fat fuck.

Wrong as you always are.

[Avante]

why wouldn't you post plays here if you are making them?

you are a phony bologna

I have two homes and am retired. I only have a computer here not up at the lake. Up there I;m around other players, we all hang out in a bar, sometimes I'll make a play on Sundays while up there. Yep, talked into it, but that's cool I don't expect /////"you"//// to buy anything.

[Avante]

You are a chronic and habitual liar. Literally every year now you've ended up denying that you really made the picks you've been posting. You can't really think anyone's going to believe you, right?

Ok man, up...680 "here" Will make my plays on another board, starting Sunday. I'm already up $1000 over there.

[spurraider21]

I have two homes and am retired. I only have a computer here not up at the lake. Up there I;m around other players, we all hang out in a bar, sometimes I'll make a play on Sundays while up there. Yep, talked into it, but that's cool I don't expect /////"you"//// to buy anything.
but you've posted picks here EVERY week before the games. and now you have these mystery plays putting you above 3K? why didnt those get posted at the same time?

this is why you aren't taken seriously around these parts by anybody

[Avante]

but you've posted picks here EVERY week before the games. and now you have these mystery plays putting you above 3K? why didnt those get posted at the same time?

this is why you aren't taken seriously around these parts by anybody

I get up there and we all start drinking and talking about the afternoon games, and sometimes I buy what is being said and play the late games that I didn't think about or I miss something.

Ever noticed you never see me here until late Sunday nights?

Dude, it isn't real real obvious I'm pretty serious about this stuff? You wouldn't believe all the info I have on NFL gambling. I don't lose $$$$$$$$$$$$$, ever...ok?

Ok, let's just go with plus 680 here and plus 1000 over on that other board, ok? I'll finish the season there, already plus 1000:hat

[Clipper Nation]

Gotta love this time of year in the NFL. The regular season is winding down, the playoffs are coming up, and Avante is coming up with layers of ridiculous excuses and lies to explain away his mediocre betting record.

[Blake]

OK, if you followed my 2014 season you saw me back out of two winners because of weather, saw me talk about the Ravens being the play and winning a 1000 there, start off 330 in the hole and then get up to over 2000 before week 14. If not for bogus weather reports add another 200, if not for a computer fuck up, add another 1000 only to lose 500 so only add 500.

I showed you guys how to win $$$$$$ vs the NFL point spread and it isn't easy.

Now I'm done "here' for this season. I said I'd make my legit $$$$$ plays here this season and I did. It was fun.

I'll end the betting aspects of it with this advice....

December is the easiest month to make $$$$$$, now you will get 100% effort (playoff teams), something we don't always see early on. So you'll be looking at that better QB/home play. Now is the time to play those stud QB's as HF's. Put your $$$$ in the hands of Rodgers, Peyton, RW, Luck, Brady now, go against the weaklings like Jax, Tenn, NYG, TB on the road.

Good luck!

Translation: pussy

[Blake]

Wrong as you always are.

Nobody believes you

[Avante]

Gotta love this time of year in the NFL. The regular season is winding down, the playoffs are coming up, and Avante is coming up with layers of ridiculous excuses and lies to explain away his mediocre betting record.

Why are you ignoring 680 here and 1000 over there? That is mediocre?

[Clipper Nation]

Why are you ignoring 680 here and 1000 over there? That is mediocre?

You're a lying, welching fat sack of shit, so there's no reason to believe any other explanation you provide for your mediocre record other than that you aren't the "betting expert" you claim to be.

[Avante]

You're a lying, welching fat sack of shit, so there's no reason to believe any other explanation you provide for your mediocre record other than that you aren't the "betting expert" you claim to be.

When did plus 1680 become mediocre before week 14? ESPECIALLY....starting off - 330, yep...EXPERT!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

up over 1600 and it's funny watching you little shits freaking out, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine where I'll end up when I start playing 550 a game.

Cool being an expert at something:toast

[Clipper Nation]

When did plus 1680 become mediocre before week 14? ESPECIALLY....starting off - 330, yep...EXPERT!!!!!!!!

For the millionth time, it's the win/loss record I'm talking about, because that's what you were originally bragging about for the better part of the last three years. You're only moving the goalposts to money now because the record isn't favoring you. And yes, hovering around .500 every year IS mediocre for a so-called "betting expert" who claims he always hits 65% of his bets.

[Avante]

For the millionth time, it's the win/loss record I'm talking about, because that's what you were originally bragging about for the better part of the last three years. You're only moving the goalposts to money now because the record isn't favoring you. And yes, hovering around .500 every year IS mediocre for a so-called "betting expert" who claims he always hits 65% of his bets.

Pay attention...

This is the only season where I said..."fuck it"....ok? I will give out $$$$$ plays for you guys who do nothing, something I hate doing, ok? The bottom line is the fucking $$$$$ ya dumb fuck, only kids play that silly 44-whatever bullshit....got it? That was Mason's vs Blakes crap, grown ups don't give a shit if ya go 3-40 as long as ya win $$$$$$$$$$.

I played real $$$$$ plays here...FINALLY!!!!!!!!!! and you saw how it went down, up over 600 here, up a 1000 on another board. Was up over 2100 after starting out -330.

GROW UP...little man, alright?

[spurraider21]

44-38, +$680

[Avante]

44-38, +$680

Cool!!!!!!! A nice winning 13 weeks.

[Clipper Nation]

Pay attention...

This is the only season where I said..."fuck it"....ok? I will give out $$$$$ plays for you guys who do nothing, something I hate doing, ok? The bottom line is the fucking $$$$$ ya dumb fuck, only kids play that silly 44-whatever bullshit....got it? That was Mason's vs Blakes crap, grown ups don't give a shit if ya go 3-40 as long as ya win $$$$$$$$$$.

I played real $$$$$ plays here...FINALLY!!!!!!!!!! and you saw how it went down, up over 600 here, up a 1000 on another board. Was up over 2100 after starting out -330.

GROW UP...little man, alright?

You literally just denied that the picks you've posted on here this season were your real $$$$$ plays:


Dude, I;m up over 3500. But would never ever expect that to fly since I never talked about the plays or did anything to prove I made them.

You can't even keep your lies straight.

[Avante]

You literally just denied that the picks you've posted on here this season were your real $$$$$ plays:



You can't even keep your lies straight.

Why is it you never ever ever ever get anything right, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've given up trying to talk my actual record, I will go with my plays I made on these boards. That would be 680 here and a 1000 over there.

Damn are you for real, wow!

[spurraider21]

how can you prove those 2 plays on that other board are the only 2 plays uve posted all year on the internet (besides spurstalk). you cant, its why i cant include them in your record. "1000 there" means nothing to us here

[Avante]

how can you prove those 2 plays on that other board are the only 2 plays uve posted all year on the internet (besides spurstalk). you cant, its why i cant include them in your record. "1000 there" means nothing to us here

Cool, no problem at all. Like I said I'm plus $680 here and when I;m over there as of right now plus $1000. That'll work.

It does work both ways however, don't go over there and count my loses here....ok? Nobody gives a shit about 44-whatever over there so I play things differently.

[spurraider21]

Cool, no problem at all. Like I said I'm plus $680 here and when I;m over there as of right now $1000. That'll work.
over there you are only +1000 if we look at those 2 posts. for all we know you could be -3000 as a whole on other sites. we just can't accept those winnings here

[Avante]

over there you are only +1000 if we look at those 2 posts. for all we know you could be -3000 as a whole on other sites. we just can't accept those winnings here

Cool don't. I'll end up plus 680 here like I said.

I said I don't lose $$$$$ doing this and as we saw, I don't!

Keep in mind no other site matters.

[spurraider21]

ok. 44-38, +$680

[Avante]

ok. 44-38, +$680

Dude ok ok ok and...ok?..ok?

Plus 680 in just 13 weeks when starting out - 330, I'm impressed. Yep, I don't lose $$$$$ as we saw. I win here I win over there, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Ok done talking betting "here"

I got NE beating Denver in the AFC title game and GB taking down Seattle over in the NFL.

Well?

[Clipper Nation]

I said I don't lose $$$$$ doing this and as we saw, I don't!

We saw last year that you do lose $$$$$ doing this, so much so that your wife apparently had to put your wallet under lock and key.