***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

We saw last year that you do lose $$$$$ doing this, so much so that your wife apparently had to put your wallet under lock and key.

Now think ya little shit...

you...boy you sucked in 2012./2013
Avante....that was more about Mason fucking around.
you...bull-shit!!!
Avante...ok shorty in 2014 I 'll show my legit $$$$ plays, win some $$$$ for the little people.
you....yeah right, you'll lose your ass

after 13 weeks

Avante....up over 600 here, a grand over there, well?
you...let's talk about last year instead.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep....X-PURT!

[Clipper Nation]

Now think ya little shit...

you...boy you sucked in 2012./2013
Avante....yes, I did. I'm also fat.

fify

[Avante]

fify

I guess the little guy thinks I;m also 15.

[Avante]

Let's talk about that amazing Almanac....

I grew up watching the rasslin' with my grandma, I must have been 7/8 years old or around 1957 or so, been a fan ever since, yep ...it's fake.

Started running track/playing football as soon as I could. love both sports and have read all I could about both....ok? Got into the weights at 15, ben lifting ever since.

Can't recall a time somebody in te family wasn't listening to music, totally love music and have read all I could about it.

Now add a freaky almost supernatural memory, there's the Almanac.

[Avante]

I'll say this then shut up about it.

I'd think you guys would want to see me fail, right now it will be...."hey I was up over 1600 with 4 weeks to go and the playoffs and was going to hit that 60%". I know you're dying to, see see see huh huh you loser...YOU LOST YOU LOST..YIPPPPEE (as you wack off).

I'm the winner now, and if I don't make anymore plays "here" will remain a winner. Whatever I do over there won't matter, that point has been made,

[spurraider21]

i just wish you didnt try to include picks that you didnt make here, but now because of it you threw a tantrum and said you're done making picks here

[Avante]

i just wish you didnt try to include picks that you didnt make here, but now because of it you threw a tantrum and said you're done making picks here

Like I've mentioned I've made 6 others plays going 4-2 I;ve never talked about because I never mentioned them here. That one I did, and yes I played it. I posted my play on the other board, on two actually, what more could I do? We can't have a computer fuck up?

I'll just play on a board where I have a 1000 to play with instead of 680. If this would have happened over there..."ok man just don't make a habit of it, ok?" here it's....YOU MUST SUCK YOU MUST YOU MUST!!!!!!!!!!...hahahaha!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Like I've mentioned I've made 6 others plays going 4-2 I;ve never talked about because I never mentioned them here. That one I did, and yes I played it. I posted my play on the other board, on two actually, what more could I do? We can't have a computer fuck up?

I'll just play on a board where I have a 1000 to play with instead of 680.
why dont you take your 680 on this board with you. tell everybody there you made all these picks, and have 680 more.

[Avante]

why dont you take your 680 on this board with you. tell everybody there you made all these picks, and have 680 more.

Why not....well you did say the Ravens were the play, we did see you make the play at two different boards so you did all you could, ok man one computer fuck up allowed,

[spurraider21]

you said here you liked the ravens play, but that you'd only take them if you went 3-2 or better. you went 2-3

[Avante]

you said here you liked the ravens play, but that you'd only take them if you went 3-2 or better. you went 2-3

You ever change your mind, I talked about being talked into it and the over. You ever see me play an over? That's doesn't tell you something different was going on? And when had I ever played 1100? I have no doubts at all if I'd....see that thread well I lost 1100,. that it would be...:"ok no problem"...right?

Ok man I realize it's real real important to you that I look as inept as I can, forget it.

[Avante]

Inspired by the HBCU thread.

While at Florida A&M he was a running back (Cowboys made a receiver out of him) and is still the fastest player in history to ever play running back. Speaking of history, he was the first to run a sub10.00, it was windy however. He was the first to break a 6.0 indoors with a 5.9 and is the only athlete to have an Olympic gold medal/SB ring.

At 5-11 195 pounds he'd be as physically imposing as anyone running today and on these modern tracks/training/coaching would be among the fastest in the world.

I saw this as it happened.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjNYy2aEMI

Back in the mid 60's the top 4x1 teams in the nation were Texas Southern, Southern U and Grambling. Just think where the SEC would be today if they hadn't been made to wise up. Then again their passion for football would probably have over shadowed their predjudices.

[Blake]

What a sad pathetic fat fuck.

Still desperate for messageboard validation.

[Avante]

What a sad pathetic fat fuck.

Still desperate for messageboard validation.

That coming from a little shit who does nothing but see if he can bother someone, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Ok week 14

46-38 plus $1680

By December we have a great feel for who is who. And now is the time we get a total team effort, this is crunch time with playoffs spots and $$$$$$$$$$ at stake. We don't see many upsets now. Those teams that are out of it won't be able to match the intensity we see from teams needing a win.

I like to go with the better QB at home in December if a playoff spot in a goal.

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson
Andrew Luck
Dree Brew
Tom Brady
Phillip Rivers

at home......is where the big $$$$ plays go this time of year. Is there a division i the NFL where one QB is so far superior like we see with Luck in that sad ass division?

I'll be looking to go against...TB, Jags, Titans, Jets, Giants, Redskins..on the road. The Raiders had been hanging within then number until at Rams.

Right now...

NO over Panthers...they are done!
Indy on the road vs Cleveland
GB over Falcons
Denver over Bills

Great QB at home (Indy exception) looking at playoff seedings.

Nothing official yet.


My fellow handicappers are thinking....




Consensus Pick

DAL

CIN

STL

NYG

NO

NYJ

BAL

IND

DET

HOU

BUF

KC

SEA

SF

SD

GB



96

95

50%





Consensus %

54%

75%

92%

67%

67%

67%

67%

75%

58%

67%

75%

58%

67%

58%

58%

67%





Look at that NO game, there we have the classic example of a team playing at home with a HOF to be QB looking for a division title vs a team that has sucked all year wishing the season was over. But.....it looks too easy doesn't it?

[Blake]

That coming from a little shit who does nothing but see if he can bother someone, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you're gonna pull your pants down and show your ass, I'm gonna kick it.

It's one way I entertain myself here.

[Malik Hairston]

Avante

Any picks this week? I need to compare yours with mine before I submit my bets, tbh..

[Avante]

Week 14

46-38 plus $1680

December is all about QB play, and the playoffs. Trends/stats no longer important. Injuries/weather are.

St.Louis - 2.5...red hot vs ice cold.
NO - 9.5...the Panthers are done.
Den - 9.5...looking for that HF advantage
Det - 9.5...the Buc's suck on the road.
Min -6....the Jets suck on the road.
Hous - 5....just go against the Jags.
Indy - 3.5....Andrew Luck vs Brian Hoyer
Mia -3....nervous about this one.
Cin - 3...see above
NE - 3.5...Belichick/Brady off a loss
GB - 12....Falcons suck on the road.
Oak + 8.5...how can the Niners be favored by that much vs anyone?

There I have....Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees and Luck.

That Ariz/KC game simply too..?????
Why mess with two bad teams in Giants/Titans?
Eagles vs Seahawks...????

This time of year it's all about QB play. I want the better QB at home, if possible.

Time to go against those with no playoffs hopes vs those looking at the playoffs if possible.

Home field never more important.

110 to win 100

[Blake]

Week 14

46-38 plus $1680



:lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol

[Blake]

Week 14

46-38 plus $1680

December is all about QB play, and the playoffs. Trends/stats no longer important. Injuries/weather are.

St.Louis - 2.5...red hot vs ice cold.
NO - 9.5...the Panthers are done.
Den - 9.5...looking for that HF advantage
Det - 9.5...the Buc's suck on the road.
Min -6....the Jets suck on the road.
Hous - 5....just go against the Jags.
Indy - 3.5....Andrew Luck vs Brian Hoyer
Mia -3....nervous about this one.
Cin - 3...see above
NE - 3.5...Belichick/Brady off a loss
GB - 12....Falcons suck on the road.
Oak + 8.5...how can the Niners be favored by that much vs anyone?

There I have....Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees and Luck.

That Ariz/KC game simply too..?????
Why mess with two bad teams in Giants/Titans?
Eagles vs Seahawks...????

This time of year it's all about QB play. I want the better QB at home, if possible.

Time to go against those with no playoffs hopes vs those looking at the playoffs if possible.

Home field never more important.

110 to win 100

That's a lot of bets you're making

[Avante]

That's a lot of bets you're making

translation

Hey Avante why not just play big on a couple spots like you did here...

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?880313-Over-Under


...instead of small on a multitude of plays?

Good question little fella. That Ravens play had a ton of trends/stats backing the side and the over. TONS!!!! There is nothing that strong this week. If I could find a real strong "spot" I'd step out on it. Maybe next week.

[Blake]

Good answer, fat fuck.

We'll all have our lols ready.

[spurraider21]

to this point, he hit St. Louis, Houston, Detroit... whiffed on New Orleans, Miami, Indianapolis, Cincinnati... and at this point Minnesota is either a push or a loss

[Malik Hairston]

3-4-1 is pretty good with the unlikely results of today's games, tbh, a lot of bad luck..

[spurraider21]

3-4-1 is pretty good with the unlikely results of today's games, tbh, a lot of bad luck..
nailed the oakland pick, whiffed on Denver

4-5-1... how do most places count a push?

[Avante]

I can't get a break, damn!!!!!!!

5 points from going 7-4 today.

5-5 but I do have a Packer team that is 5-0-1ATS at home vs a Falcons team that is 1-5 ATS on the road.

The Vikes game is as if it never happened.

That Panthers vs Saints game, are you fucking kidding?

The last three weeks, ya back...

Denver
Seattle
NE
Indy
GB

All thick in the playoff hunt (back them until they have done all they can as far as seeding goes)

play against

Washington
TB
Tenn
Jags

All wanting the season over as soon as possible.

That system went....6-2 today. Worst it can go...6-3.

[Avante]

Is there any QB in the league doing more for his team than Russell Wilson? What an amazing athlete this guy is, incredible!

How many turnovers did Andrrew Luck have today?

I give up on the Saints, what a weird team they are. Up then down then up then....sheesh~~~~~~

What a shame the Rams don't have a stud QB, this is a good young team that has played a brutal schedule and will continue to do so.

I talk about "spots", well we saw a classic one today....

The Raiders back at home after being totally embarrashed getting 8.5 from a team that can't score. Talk about e-z $$$$ there it was.

[Avante]

Top 10...?

1.NE
2.GB
3.Seattle
4.Denver
5.Arizona
6.Philly
7.Dallas
8.Detroit
9.Pitt
10.Baltimore

[Aztecfan03]

Top 10...?

1.NE
2.GB
3.Seattle
4.Denver
5.Arizona
6.Philly
7.Dallas
8.Detroit
9.Pitt
10.Baltimore

Maybe if they get to the playoffs, but without Ngata I would say they aren't top 10.

[Avante]

Maybe if they get to the playoffs, but without Ngata I would say they aren't top 10.

The Ravens could win out with Jax, Houston and Cleveland left, that gives them a 10-6 record. That should do it in the AFC.

[Avante]

Just saw the fist bump..........are you kidding me? We've come to making that a big deal now, wow! What is happening out there?

Last night a Pat smacks a Charger hard with a shoulder in his chest, this is football, yep....penalty. It's getting stupid how uptight everything is becoming. Who can forget....A GAY PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !...hahaha!!!!!

I'm all for SAFETY SAFETY at the HS/NCAA level, at the pro level it's now a business not unlike boxing/MMA/pro wrestling (don't laugh it's very dangerous). These guys know the risk.

[Aztecfan03]

The Ravens could win out with Jax, Houston and Cleveland left, that gives them a 10-6 record. That should do it in the AFC.

Im just talking about right now.

[Avante]

During a regular season all these pro teams play to win their division, they keep up on where there are. That's why we see the ebb and flow, the ups and downs. It is funny watching some of you........THEY SUCK, haha!!! The Pats losing to the Chiefs who lost to the......winless Raiders?????????????? What does that tell us?

The Seahawks are now serious, the bullshit is over, it's time to get that home field advantage. And they do it the old fashion way, run the ball, don't fuck up and play that monster D.

The Pats, Packers, Broncos and Seahawks on another level.

Russell Wilson...wow!!!!!! Ya know what puts him above Andrew Luck, he's not going to make that bonehead play.

[Avante]

I'm guessing Michael Sam is still looking for an NFL job, the Falcons could sure use a pass rush. What we saw last night was ridiculous at the pro football level.

[Avante]

Black QB's

Ohio State has three of them.

FSU...Jameis Winston

Alabama a black QB

UCLA, Georgia Tech, TCU, ND, Auburn, Marshall, all with black QB;s. Clemson has a black QB.

Where does the NFL get it's QB's?

[Aztecfan03]

Black QB's

Ohio State has three of them.

FSU...Jameis Winston

Alabama a black QB

UCLA, Georgia Tech, TCU, ND, Auburn, Marshall, all with black QB;s. Clemson has a black QB.

Where does the NFL get it's QB's?

Are you really this stupid...... Wow!

[Avante]

Are you really this stupid...... Wow!

A dumb fuck like you calling others stupid, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Cal could put together a pretty solid all star team.

QB..Aaron Rodgers
Rb...Marshawn Lynch/Justin Forsett
RB...Chuck Muncie/C.J.Anderson
TE...Tony Gonzalez
WR..Desean Jackson/Isaac Curtis...actually faster than Jackson, a 9.3 guy.
WR..Wesley Walker ....also faster than Jackson, 9.5 sprinter. (blind in one eye)

[Avante]

The ebb and flo of an NFL season, hmmmm?

Right now the St.Louis Rams are better than a lot teams with a better record. I have no problems...

GB/Sea
Philly
Dallas
St.Louis
Arizona
Detroit

...in the NFC. Too bad they aren't in the South.

[Avante]

Been into pro football since the early 60's, at no time have I ever been more intriqued by a players first start than I will tomorrow with Johnny Football. Bummer that I won't be seeing the game out here in Cali. Obviously will see/hear all about it aftewards.

If I'm Cleveland I do use his running ability as part of the offense. Letting Johnny know....don't push it, take what you can then bail".

This is going to be interesting.

[spurraider21]

i'm expecting a lot of play-action, bootlegs, rollouts, and read-options

[Avante]

i'm expecting a lot of play-action, bootlegs, rollouts, and read-options

That will work at any level of football if done right. Nobody does it right other than Seattle. It is suppose to be a weapon used to move the chains not gooble up big yards.

I just can't see Manziel suppressing his macho. If he 's a couple yards away from a 1st down he's going for it. Defenders love nothing more than knocking QB's out of a game.

[Avante]

Week 15

51-44 plus $1520

Buff + 5
SF +10
Den -4
NYG - 6.5
Indy - 6.5
NE - 7.5
Caro - 3
Oak + 10

[Jodelo]

51-44 plus $1520

:lmao

[AlexJones]

Week 15

51-44 plus $1520

Buff + 5
SF +10
Den -4
NYG - 6.5
Indy - 6.5
NE - 7.5
Caro - 3
Oak + 10

Avante killing it

[Avante]

:lmao

All documented internet picks.

[Avante]

Avante killing it

Let's see...

56-46 plus $1860

Looking ahead to week 16

Those teams fighting for playoff positioning, is where my focus will be.

Seattle at Arizona, that defense vs a third string QB?

The Ravens vs a Texan team with who at QB?

The Bills vs the lowly Raiders?

Carolina at home vs a rookie QB at Cleveland.

Dallas still has to win, the Colts don't.

Detroit has to have it, the Bears are done.

The Packers coming off a loss vs a 2 and whatever TB team.

The Steelers at home vs a one trick pony Chiefs team.

The Pats vs Jets, seems too easy. The Pats - 21.5?

Eagles in a must win vs a Redskins team with QB problems.


Hmmmm?

[Avante]

Tom Brady covered
Peyton Manning covered
Aaron Rodgers didn't
Andrew Luck covered
Russell Wilson pushed
Big Ben covered

Hmmm?

As of right now it's looking like the Pats vs Seahawks in the SB.

The Packers don't have the D. The Cards don't have a QB. The Broncos won't beat the Pats there in the cold.

[Avante]

Andrew Luck vs Russell Wilson

Luck has a better arm, but he isn't the athlete that RW is and he doesn't play the game as intelligently as RW does. When Luck is moving the ball there is always that...."when does he throw that INT???"...we don't do that RW.

[spurraider21]

I'd take Luck 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. and you know i love Wilson

[Avante]

I'd take Luck 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. and you know i love Wilson

Right now RW has a better comp % than Luck does.

Luck throws the ball a lot because he has to, that gets rewarded? Nobody throws more INT's than he does.
I have no doubts of any kind that RW could do the same things Luck does if he was asked to throw more.

[spurraider21]

Right now RW has a better comp % than Luck does.

Luck throws the ball a lot because he has to, that gets rewarded? Nobody throws more INT's than he does.
I have no doubts of any kind that RW could do the same things Luck does if he was asked to throw more.
Seattle and Indy are built very differently. Luck has to carry the entire offense, and he does. He's also been much better in 2 minute drills this year. Wilson has struggled in those situations in a few of their losses this year, most memorably against San Diego and Dallas.

If Wilson had receivers like Hilton, Wayne and good pass catching tight ends like Luck does, I'm sure his numbers would rise. But I've seen Luck carry an offense consistently. Maybe Wilson has that ability (I'd believe so), but until I've seen him do it, I'm going to give Luck the nod

[Avante]

Seattle and Indy are built very differently. Luck has to carry the entire offense, and he does. He's also been much better in 2 minute drills this year. Wilson has struggled in those situations in a few of their losses this year, most memorably against San Diego and Dallas.

If Wilson had receivers like Hilton, Wayne and good pass catching tight ends like Luck does, I'm sure his numbers would rise. But I've seen Luck carry an offense consistently. Maybe Wilson has that ability (I'd believe so), but until I've seen him do it, I'm going to give Luck the nod

When looking at running backs the only stat that really matters is.....average per carry.....that says it all. When it comes to QB's it's that....completion %. RW has always had a high completion %. Yes I know...:"but he doesn't throw it as often"....I get that but it's real obvious RW can pass the ball. Give him those Bears receivers and he'd throwing for 4000 yards.

[spurraider21]

When looking at running backs the only stat that really matters is.....average per carry.....that says it all. When it comes to QB's it's that....completion %. RW has always had a high completion %. Yes I know...:"but he doesn't throw it as often"....I get that but it's real obvious RW can pass the ball. Give him those Bears receivers and he'd throwing for 4000 yards.
i like yards/attempt instead of completion%... even though i hate looking at one stat as an end-all-be-all

lets also not forget Luck has thrown for 38 touchdowns with 2 games to go. wilson has yet to reach 20 this season

[Avante]

i like yards/attempt instead of completion%... even though i hate looking at one stat as an end-all-be-all

lets also not forget Luck has thrown for 38 touchdowns with 2 games to go. wilson has yet to reach 20 this season

Let's not forget that RW has a career passer rating of 98.9 compared to Luck's 86.9. Lets also not ignore Luck's 41 INT's compared to RW's 24. Yes Luck has 82Td's to RW's 69.

[Avante]

Will we see another first for Russell Wilson? His firsts...

ties the rookie TD record
100 passer rating first two seasons
300 yd passer/100 yard rusher in a game
most wins in first three seasons

Will he add...first QB to win a playoff game after a SB winning season in a long time?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have never ever seen a worst coach/QB combo than what the Bears have when it comes to lacking fire. Two zombies/mummies could light more fire than those two. Not an once of...GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought to myself....this is it for the Bears, their last shot at showing the country they don't suck, just maybe the'll show up"......talk about ST00-PEED! there it is, what was I thinking? The Saints were the "obvious" play and I missed it....DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KoolAid Mans Brother]

Will we see another first for Russell Wilson? His firsts...

ties the rookie TD record
100 passer rating first two seasons
300 yd passer/100 yard rusher in a game
most wins in first three seasons

Will he add...first QB to win a playoff game after a SB winning season in a long time?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have never ever seen a worst coach/QB combo than what the Bears have when it comes to lacking fire. Two zombies/mummies could light more fire than those two. Not an once of...GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought to myself....this is it for the Bears, their last shot at showing the country they don't suck, just maybe the'll show up"......talk about ST00-PEED! there it is, what was I thinking? The Saints were the "obvious" play and I missed it....DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're not a real 49ers fan. You suck Russell Wilson's dick way too much to claim as such.

[Avante]

You're not a real 49ers fan. You suck Russell Wilson's dick way too much to claim as such.

Wanna talk Niner running backs....

Gary Lewis
Vic Washington
"Famous" Amos Lawrence
Ricky Patton
J.D. Smith
Delvin Williams
Earl Cooper
Paul Hofer

....oh yeah, you can't because you've never heard of any of them.

Big time Niner fan here, can teach the histoey of 49er football. So wrong again as you always are.


I just saw something special in RW back at Wisconsin. And he has done all I said he would do. It is a bummer he landed on our arch rival, but it is what it is.

It's looking like I won't have to deal with your...DUH!..much longer isn't it?

[Avante]

Anyone still think.....ya gotta pass the ball, ya gotta pass the ball.....well?

Why are the Cowboys having the season they are, oh yeah...DeMarco Murray. What are the Broncos relying on right now, oh yeah....the running game. Who are the defending champs....a game manager at QB, the ultimate monster back and defense. What are the Pats doing better than ever......defense!

What hapened to my Niners, we stopped doing what?

[Malik Hairston]

That trend I mentioned to you won again tonight, as we discussed a few days ago..

Home dogs at 7.5 or higher are now 28-9 in the past 37 games..big trend, hope we get a few more shots at some of those this season..I only bet 1 unit, sadly, was too scared to bet more on Geno Smith..

Avante

Another chance at playing this trend this week, the Redskins are a +8.5 home dog..

I'm not going to play them straight up, but I'll probably tease them with the Pats or Seahawks..

[Avante]

Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483)

Another chance at playing this trend this week, the Redskins are a +8.5 home dog..

I'm not going to play them straight up, but I'll probably tease them with the Pats or Seahawks..

The last 4 weeks of any season begins a different situation. I no longer look for trends not that that one isn;'t a solid one. Now it's about the playoffs. Good teams looking for playoff positioning, bad teams wanting the season to end.

Check it out....

Pats covered
Colts covered
Broncos covered
Bengals coverd
Sants covered
Cards covered
Cowboys covered
Steelers covered
Ravens didn't
Eagles didn't
Lions didn't
Packers didn't

So just by playing playoff contenders with a solid QB....8-4.

Right now ya wanna look at QB play. Brady, Peyton, Luck, Romo all won you $$$ only Rodgers losing any.

[Malik Hairston]

I teased the Pats and Colts last week, won huge..I agree that betting on the teams in playoff positioning vs. shitty teams is the best bet..

This week, I'm going to tease a combination of the Pats/Seahawks/Packers again..not sure if I'll go with a 3-team teaser, since I think that's generally too much, but 2-team teasers have been profitable for me, as of late..

NFL is easiest to bet on from about week 13 to week 17, when playoff positioning matters, and bottom-feeders are ready for their vacation..

[Avante]

I teased the Pats and Colts last week, won huge..I agree that betting on the teams in playoff positioning vs. shitty teams is the best bet..

This week, I'm going to tease a combination of the Pats/Seahawks/Packers again..not sure if I'll go with a 3-team teaser, since I think that's generally too much, but 2-team teasers have been profitable for me, as of late..

You have Brady/RW/Rodgers.....which is what I'm talking about.

I love that Lions vs Bears play. The Lions are 7-1 in this "spot" the last 8. And this Lions team is better than last years while the Bears are the worst D in the league.

Another strong play will be the Steelers at home vs a Chiefs team that struggles on the road. The Steelers with the better QB at home, with the playoffs on the line. Love that combo in December.

[spurraider21]

Ok starting Sunday I will be taking.....Denver, Niners, Seattle, Indy and Cinncy every single week. I might add a few plays that look good. Will probaly take Niners to cover at home vs Sea and vice versa in Seattle.

I will post the line but if something happened and I failed to post that week they are my plays. This computer is on it's last legs.

It's a time proven system the one I started using about five years ago, it's not as much about winning as it is ....how much will I win? Just the last two years an average,...55-32.
Denver: 7-7
49ers: 4-10
Seattle: 8-6
Indy: 10-4
Cincy: 7-7

this power system is a combined 36-34 this year. for your standard 110 to win 100 bets, that leads to a total of -$140

this is why systems/trends are for chumps. rather than stick to this phony bologna system, you've made your picks on a week to week basis and actually having a profit. well done :tu

[Avante]

Denver: 7-7
49ers: 4-10
Seattle: 8-6
Indy: 10-4
Cincy: 7-7

this power system is a combined 36-34 this year. for your standard 110 to win 100 bets, that leads to a total of -$140

this is why systems/trends are for chumps. rather than stick to this phony bologna system, you've made your picks on a week to week basis and actually having a profit. well done :tu

Take out a Niners team that had injuries (no Smith) on the defense and now it's....

32-20

The last three years just playing....Den/Indy/Seattle/Cincy.....77-46.

This stuff is all about systems/trends/stats. Since week one I've gone 55-42....here. And that's betting systems/trends/stats.

You look for "spots" where one team has a huge advantage when it comes to trends. Yep, homework. The bottom line is are you winning $ as we saw, I pulled myself out of a - 330 hole to being over a grand. I think I'll stick to my systems/trends/stats.

[spurraider21]

Take out a Niners team that had injuries (no Smith) on the defense and now it's....

32-20

This stuff is all about systems/trends/stats. Since week one I've gone 55-42....here. And that's betting systems/trends/stats.

You look for "spots" where one team has a huge advantage when it comes to trends. Yep, homework. The bottom line is are you winning $ as we saw, I pulled myself out of a - 330 hole to being over a grand. I think I'll stick to my systems/trends/stats.
you can't just "take things out"... take off the niners... take off week 1.

plus even with that being said you are inflating your record with those 2 bogus picks. and even if we grant you that, 55-42 isn't even 60%, let alone 70%... and thats after removing your week 1 debacle

[Avante]

you can't just "take things out"... take off the niners... take off week 1.

plus even with that being said you are inflating your record with those 2 bogus picks. and even if we grant you that, 55-42 isn't even 60%, let alone 70%... and thats after removing your week 1 debacle

Do you really think I'm playing the Niners without their stud pass rusher?

Stop with the bogus picks deal, those were just as legit as the picks I make here, just because I posted them on another board doesn't take away their validity. I do count them because they are part of my season, so let's keep it real.


Dude, nobody hits 70% ok, and it's really hard to hit 60%. Most guys hit around 55=60 if they are good at this. It's more about money management, as you have seen I know when to play the big $$$. I've only lost one big $ play.

Want to see a site where some of the top handicappers in the world have their results? The leader is at 58%.

[spurraider21]

Dude, nobody hits 70% ok, and it's really hard to hit 60%. Most guys hit around 55=60 if they are good at this. It's more about money management, as you have seen I know when to play the big $$$. I've only lost one big $ play.

Want to see a site where some of the top handicappers in the world have their results? The leader is at 58%.
oh so you're saying your claims that you can hit 70%, or even 60% were complete bullshit? ok

[Avante]

oh so you're saying your claims that you can hit 70%, or even 60% were complete bullshit? ok

60% is very realistic and I might hit it this season, I have hit it a few times. 70% is for the dummies here, that showed me just how clueless this place is. NOBODY...can predict 70%.

http://nflpickwatch.com/ats/

[spurraider21]

70% is for the dummies here, that showed me just how clueless this place is. NOBODY...can predict 70%
nice copout to your seasons of failures

you are currently sitting at 55-45 after a really strong week 15.

you'd have to hit 12 in a row to get up to 60%

[Avante]

nice copout to your seasons of failures

you are currently sitting at 55-45 after a really strong week 15.

you'd have to hit 12 in a row to get up to 60%

You can't be this naive. You honestly haven't noticed a huge difference this season? Take away that horrendous week one and add a couple plays I talked about but bailed on because of bogus weather reports and I'm sitting at 57-42. That's not bad.

I don't like making $$$$ for others who do nothing. Anyone playing a long with me here has won over a 1000 bucks and will be winning more.

This is my first season of giving out my legit $$$ making plays. I haven't had a losing season in over a decade,

[spurraider21]

yep, you are at 55-45, +$1,010

best season you've had here by a mile. and just so you know, nobody is buying your "i was giving fake picks" BS because you were giving us the same sort of analysis and "spots" the past couple of years as you are giving this year

[Avante]

yep, you are at 55-45, +$1,010

best season you've had here by a mile. and just so you know, nobody is buying your "i was giving fake picks" BS because you were giving us the same sort of analysis and "spots" the past couple of years as you are giving this year

Well when a guy tells me...."2014 will be my first year of giving out free $$$$ making plays"....then precedes to give out free $$$$$ making plays I get it. You for some reason don't want to get it.

Your betting track thread has lost all it allure hasn't it, nobody has shit to say now, do they? It was suppose to be...Avante sucks at this doesn't he everyone?.....sorta backfired didn't it? Like I said this will be fun and it has been, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I always do far better in the playoffs as you'll see.

[spurraider21]

i'm not saying its true or not.

i'm just saying nobody here buys it. at all.

[Avante]

i'm not saying its true or not.

i'm just saying nobody here buys it. at all.

With a guy like myself who can take everyone here totally to school when talking pro football it has to be ...."no you didn't!!!!!!!"....I know this. Look at how important it is that I don't get credit for my Ravens play. I ...MUST...fail, right?

I'm the real deal guy, the genuine article. An historian/gambler.

Why this need to fight it to the degree you do? Dude, I saw your Raiders play in their very first game, don't you think I might have picked up on a few things since 1960?

[Avante]

Ok, talking playoffs.

The Packers are the weakest defensive team among the big 4. That's NE/Den/Seattle/Packers. So it all comes down to that home field advantage.

No team in the history of the leqgue is any better than that Belichick/Brady combo. Now add that defense. If they are home, they will represent the AFC. Peyton on the road in the cold....nope!

Nobody can beat Seattle at home not even the Pats. in a meaningful game. Its real important they play there. As of right now that is a ..? Arizona is done due to injuries.

The Pats vs the Seahawks.....is what we will see.

If both teams show up healthy, I'd have to give the Seahawks the nod. The RW factor being the difference.

[Avante]

I always get a kick out of stuff like.......what teams do the refs favor, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at who the elite teams are


Pats...Tom Brady
Seahawks....Russell Wilson/monster D
Broncos...Peyton Manning
Packers...Aaron Rodgers
Colts...Andrew Luck
Cards...great D
Cowboys,...Tony Romo

Who wins the weak NFC South.....Drew Brees

look at the bad teams


Titans...no QB
Jags...no QB
Jets...no QB
Redskins...no QB
TB...no QB



Hmmmmmmm?

[Clipper Nation]

I always get a kick out of stuff like.......what teams do the refs favor, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at who the elite teams are


Pats...Tom Brady
Seahawks....Russell Wilson/monster D
Broncos...Peyton Manning
Packers...Aaron Rodgers
Colts...Andrew Luck
Cards...great D
Cowboys,...Tony Romo

Who wins the weak NFC South.....Drew Brees

look at the bad teams


Titans...no QB
Jags...no QB
Jets...no QB
Redskins...no QB
TB...no QB



Hmmmmmmm?
But I thought the running back was more important and that it's still a "two yards and a cloud of dust" league?

[Avante]

But I thought the running back was more important and that it's still a "two yards and a cloud of dust" league?

You have never understood what is being talked about there.

Who are the defending SB champs, yep....a team that plays that monster D/runs the ball..right? What team went undefeated....yep, that Dolphins team with Csonka/Morris/Kick and that D. Look at the 85 Bears, those Steeler teams. Those Packer teams of the 60's had 4 HOFers to be on the D and two HOFers to be at running back.

Look what happened to Peyton Manning and that prolific passing attack vs that stud D of the Seahawks in the SB.

This is how it works....

When you can run the ball, the D gets a longer blow, the offense is in third and short instead of third and long. Now that opposing D is guessing. When you run the ball you wear down a D, which pays big dividends come that third quarter.

Look at the Cowboys this season, what are they doing differently now, could it be......running the ball?

Look at this....Russell Wilson is just a game manager, Andrew Luck is far better......ok so how come the Seahawks are a far better team, oh yeah......run the ball/defense.

Great QB's don't lose the game for you, they protect a lead. They move the chains.

[Avante]

I'll try again....

Slow down people, ok? Start looking at the big picture not week to week or even a few seasons. Give things some time..ok? Acting like a retarded banty rooster over a game/season....rookie!

I'm a Niner fan, we have seen it all. We've been the very best, and we have sucked. So ya simply go with the flow and look at the big picture. How many teams have been more successful than my Niners? How about....the Steelers, Cowboys, those way back in the day Browns teams and that's it. I go with ...the big picture...not just 2014.

In 1985 the Bears were as good as any yeam had ever been for one season. They were sorta like the Seahawks today, stud back, great D and a solid QB. They also didn't have a great receiving gang.

Anyway....

The Seahawks were 3-3 and it's not looking good......remember? And it was....Russell Wilson can't.....that defense can't.....that was 7-1 ago. Now it's looking like they are once again the team to beat the NFC, the Cards have no QB, the Packers are weak on the D. The Cowboys aren't beating them twice in Seattle.

The Pats are 2-2 and just got their ass kicked by the Chiefs, well that's it for Tom Brady....right? Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Slow down people, give things some time, ok?

[Avante]

I have no interest in the Jags vs Titans game tonight. None! So I'm going to say the home team wins it. See if this.....two bad teams, go with the home team....works. No $$$$ play, no nothing, not even sure I'll watch it.

[Avante]

Cutler to the Texans, hmmmmm? That just might work.

It's looking like....

Broncos vs Pats
Packers vs Seahawks

...isn't it? Who could fuck that up?

I'm not drafting Mariota or Winston in the first round.

Armani Cooper is the guy who could make a huge impact immediately.

Did Clowney make his $$$$ and really doesn't care all that much about earning it?

[Malik Hairston]

Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483)

Another chance at playing this trend this week, the Redskins are a +8.5 home dog..

I'm not going to play them straight up, but I'll probably tease them with the Pats or Seahawks..

Trend wins again:lol..

Home dogs at 8 or higher are now 29-9 in the past 38 games:wow..

It's going to be tested tomorrow, though..Bears, Cards, Jets and Bucs are all home dogs at 8 points or higher..should be interesting..

[Avante]

Trend wins again:lol..

Home dogs at 8 or higher are now 29-9 in the past 38 games:wow..

It's going to be tested tomorrow, though..Bears, Cards, Jets and Bucs are all home dogs at 8 points or higher..should be interesting..

The Lions have owned the Bears with Cutler, going 7-1ATS in this "spot".

I do see that trend coming into play with the Jets vs Pats. But have sworn off Geno Smith, so will pass.

While I think the Pack will cover that big number, I don't need to buck that trend (too much). Yep, it is too strong.

Ok week 16, 56-46 plus $1860

Carolina - 3.5/under 41.....can't see Manziel putting up 20 in his first road game. Plus....9-1 under in last 10 Browns games.
Baltimore - 5.5....must win situation
Minnesota +6.5 ...the Dolphins are fading the Vikes coming on.
Pitt-3...must win situation
Detroit-8...that D vs a QB who hasn't played in how long?

[Avante]

4-2

60-48

plus $2040

[Malik Hairston]

Trend went 2-1 in the early games, so 3-1 this week with Arizona to go..now 31-10..

All-in on the Cowboys today, betting huge..Colts already clinched a playoff spot, Cowboys can clinch the division with a W..

[Malik Hairston]

4-2

60-48

plus $2040

Good calls..

I lost on Baltimore, too, I even teased them to get a pick 'em, and they still lost..they're the team I hate betting on the most, tbh, they always disappoint me..

[spurraider21]

The Lions have owned the Bears with Cutler, going 7-1ATS in this "spot".

I do see that trend coming into play with the Jets vs Pats. But have sworn off Geno Smith, so will pass.

While I think the Pack will cover that big number, I don't need to buck that trend (too much). Yep, it is too strong.

Ok week 16, 56-46 plus $1860

Carolina - 3.5/under 41.....can't see Manziel putting up 20 in his first road game. Plus....9-1 under in last 10 Browns games.
Baltimore - 5.5....must win situation
Minnesota +6.5 ...the Dolphins are fading the Vikes coming on.
Pitt-3...must win situation
Detroit-8...that D vs a QB who hasn't played in how long?


4-2

60-48

plus $2040
how on earth did you go 4-2 in a week where you posted 5 games? you went 3-2, bub

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Old Faggot trying to inflate his record on the sly
:lmao "Betting expert"

[Malik Hairston]

He bet the under, tbh..you guys are shorting him..

[spurraider21]

He bet the under, tbh..you guys are shorting him..
good call, duly noted. its the first time he's ever made an O/U play on spurstalk, so i wasn't really looking out for it

[Avante]

Trend went 2-1 in the early games, so 3-1 this week with Arizona to go..now 31-10..

All-in on the Cowboys today, betting huge..Colts already clinched a playoff spot, Cowboys can clinch the division with a W..

I will be adding that trend to my bag of tricks next season, it's legit. Thank's for bringing it to my attention.

[Avante]

:lmao Old Faggot trying to inflate his record on the sly
:lmao "Betting expert"

Dumb ass actually thinking anyone would give out 5 plays and then...4-2....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stupid, how come you never ever ever get anything right?

Have gone 59 -44 since week one, yep....expert!

[Avante]

good call, duly noted. its the first time he's ever made an O/U play on spurstalk, so i wasn't really looking out for it

Why not actually read my picks....ok? That is the only way you missed that.

Not as much fun counting all these winners is it, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not 60-48, actually 59-47, my bad.

[Avante]

Anyone still not getting Russell Wilson, the guy is amazing.

Andrew Luck is also great but he has this...."when will he throw that INT"....let's admit it.

Wilson has won more games in his first three seasons than any QB in history. He is the greatest/dual purpose QB we have ever seen.

Power rankings (playoff teams)

1.Pats
2.Seahawks
3.Broncos
4.Packers
5.Cowboys
6.Cards
7.Steelers
8.Colts
9.Ravens
10.Lions
11.Bengals
12.Falcons

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone still not getting Russell Wilson, the guy is amazing.

Andrew Luck is also great but he has this...."when will he throw that INT"....let's admit it.

Wilson has won more games in his first three seasons than any QB in history. He is the greatest/dual purpose QB we have ever seen.
Struggle Wilson is just a game manager on a stacked team. That's it and that's all.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

how on earth did you go 4-2 in a week where you posted 5 games? you went 3-2, bub
Lol that awkward moment when you don't read his posts

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Wilson has won more games in his first three seasons than any QB in history. He is the greatest/dual purpose QB we have ever seen.

No he's not. Cam Newton is a better QB and dual threat. Wilson just has to play conservative

[Avante]

Struggle Wilson is just a game manager on a stacked team. That's it and that's all.

Derek Anderson is better right, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn you're dumb!

[Avante]

No he's not. Cam Newton is a better QB and dual threat. Wilson just has to play conservative

What do the stats tell us?

[Avante]

Lol that awkward moment when you don't read his posts

The guy feels stupid now and does all he can to.....you must suck at this.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! His....Avante Betting Tracker...a total fail. Now he's just counting my $$$$$ for me, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

I'm about where I'm usually at, up around $2000 heading into the playoffs.

[scanry]

Struggle Wilson is just a game manager on a stacked team. That's it and that's all.

He'll evolve imo. He has a lot of Brady in him tbh.

Carol btw is legit. I was a big fan of his offense during the 2003-2007 USC days. The Pac 10 didn't stand a chance.

[Avante]

He'll evolve imo. He has a lot of Brady in him tbh.

Carol btw is legit. I was a big fan of his offense during the 2003-2007 USC days. The Pac 10 didn't stand a chance.

You're wasting your time, the guy know 0 about how thing are when it comes to football. I can see you get it.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What do the stats tell us?
Which stats are you referring to

[Avante]

This is funny, hahaha!!!!!!!! Everyone waiting to pounce if I go 2-4, the old..."you suck at this!!!!!" Now it's....damn he's pretty good at this like he said....FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Like I said it does get easier and this is fun, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyone playing my picks is up around $1200 here on this board. Those who played my picks other places, up a grand. This is why I was reluctant to do this, why should I do all the work and make $$$$$ for others doing nothing?


Those with that stupid....just go against Avante are down around $1200.

[Avante]

Which stats are you referring to

Passer rating/completion %/TD&INT ratio. Average per carry.

I really don't know.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Passer rating/completion %/TD&INT ratio. Average per carry.

I really don't know.

How do you think they would do if the the QB's swapped teams?

[Avante]

How do you think they would do if the the QB's swapped teams?

It doesn't matter who they play for. Both were great at every level of football.

Wilson is a smarter more mature QB than Newton, he also makes better decisions. And is a faster runner.

[spurraider21]

Lol that awkward moment when you don't read his posts
Lol that awkward moment where i already acknowledged my error

[Avante]

Lol that awkward moment where i already acknowledged my error

If you are going to worry so much about my plays (like a thread dedicated to......me) how about cooling the bullshit and paying attention, ok? Actually read what I'm saying....ok?

[Avante]

Ok, just talking winning the game not ATS (right now)

The Steelers are the best "prime time" team in the league they thrive in prime time. As we know the Bengals don't, they got a little lucky tonight, can they get lucky again next week?

The Steelers have only lost one regular season ending game since Tomlin has been there.

Big Ben at home vs Andy Dalton on the road, boy that's tough....ha~~~~~

The Steelers are 3-1 at home vs Cincy the last 4 seasons.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Packers simply own the Lions at home, this will continue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Falcons are a far better home team than the Panthers are a road team.

Home teams win all three.

The Chargers have beaten KC 6 times in KC in the last 10 years. If they win they are in. Hmmmmmm? The Chargers........???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Playoff Power

1.Pats
2.Seahawks
3.Packers
4.Broncos
5.Cowboys
6.Steelers
7.Colts
8.Cards
9.Lions
10.Bengals
??????????

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Stats don't always tell the real story.

You won't see the names....Bo Jackson, Gale Sayers, Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill, John Jefferson on any All Time list. But they were better than many that are there. Bo/Sayers/Hill all had careers cut short due to injury, Jefferson got cocky and sent off to Green Bay, they had James Lofton.

[Avante]

I'll be going with those I saw play, so no Otto Graham, "Slingin' " Sammy etc.

Top 20 QB's since 1960

1.Joe Montana.... his success with good enought stats...unmatched.
2.Peyton Manning...will leave the game owning all the stats
3.Tom Brady...second to Montana when it comes to that success/stats combo
4.Aaron Rodgers...obviously too young to be among the stat leaders but his greatness will be realized down the road.
5.Johnny Unitas...his dominance of his era was amazing. He made Hall of Famers out of Ray Berry/John Mackey and Lenny Moore the first great receiving running back (would have been a receiver today)
6.Dan Marino
7.John Elway
8.Drew Brees
9.Brett Favre
10.Fran Tarkenton
11.Warren Moon
12.Dan Fouts
13.Steve Young
14.Big Ben
15.Troy Aikman
16.Philip Rivers
17.Roger Staubach
18.Jim Kelly
19.Y.A.Tittle
20.Sonny Jurgenson


Joe Namath/Terry Bradshaw were like Andrew Luck, they threw way too many INT's. When Luck cleans up his bad decision making he'll be on that list after his career.

Russell Wilson is a strange case, without his running ability which he won't have at 35, what now?

[Avante]

I have this little theory that once we start seeing NFL players doing tv commercials/ESPN spots, there goes their game.

Patrick Willis
Kaepernick
RGIII
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Cam Newton


....none have played better since we started seeing them doing those commercials.

Peyton is the king of the NFLer/TV commercial and appears to be the exception, as is Aaron Rodgers. It also hasn't seemed to have hurt Russell Wilson/Richard Sherman, yet.

[Avante]

Week 17

59-47 plus $2040

Week 1 and week 17....rough.

So many ? this week.

Those in the playoffs? Those out of them ?

Here goes...

The Seahawks vs Rams under the 41.5. I don't see the Rams scoring over 17 or the Seahawks scoring over 21.

Indy - 7, they looked like shit last week, they don't wanna limp into the playoffs. Have owned their division ATS.

SD plus 1, the Chargers are one of the best December teams in the league, the Chiefs one of the worst. Now add 3-1 ATS last 4 vs KC. And haven't lost both Chief games in over a decade.

Packers at home have owned the Lions, the Lions haven't won there in 23 years. I'll lay the 7. Aaron Rodgers at home vs Matthew Stafford on the road, gotta like that. Also like that new center for the Lions.

[Avante]

Another good week going 3-1, so...62-48 plus $2230

Might as well play the Steelers minus 3.5, will play $110. Wouldn't play the game if chasing my $, but will playing house $.

The Steelers one of the best December home teams in prime time, the Bengals just the opposite on the road. Now add the Steelers are 6-2 in this "spot" the last 8 vs the Bengals.

[Avante]

How's bout....

63-48 plus $2330 for the regular season. Since a shitty week 1...63-45. Like I said it does get easier having gone 13-4 in the last 3 weeks.

Ok time to start working on....

Cincy at Indy
Balt at Pitt
Ariz at Caro
Det at Dall

Notice in every game the better QB is at home?

[Avante]

Ranking the playoff teams by points scored/given up.

The number will be like this...scored 468 given up 313 so....plus 15. 46 over 31.

1.NE 15
2.Sea 14
3.GB 14
4.Den 13
5.Dall 11
6.Balt 10
7.Indy 9
8.Pitt 7
9.Det 4
10.Cincy 2
11.Ariz 2
12. Caro minus 4....thank God for the weak NFC South.

[Avante]

Those who followed my plays won over $1300, you're welcome.

Now it's all about...QB/home.

Notice how all the elite QB's have home games? What are the odds of a team with an inferior QB beating the spread on the road? I start there and need a great reason to play a road team in the playoffs.

[Avante]

Watch Andrew Luck throwing INT's while RW is running for first downs come playoffs.

[Avante]

Imagine this defense....

DL

Reggie White
Bruce Smith
JJ Watt

Backers

Dick Butkus
Ray Lewis
Lawrence Taylor
Jack Lambert

Cornerbacks

Deion Sanders
Ruchard Sherman

Safety

Rod Woodson
Ronnie Lott

[Avante]

Wild Card games

The Cards plus 6.5, I do see the Panthers winning the game but more in a 24-20 type game. And a Cards win wouldn't shock me at all. The Panthers are only here because of that weak division. That Cards D is what I'm banking on.

Will play 110, don't like playing road teams in the playoffs.

Not sure what I'll do in that Pitt/Balt game, without Bell...???

Same with the Colts/Bengals, the Bengals are the better team but the Colts are at home***

I will lay the 6.5 and back the Cowboys, there we have that combo...better QB/running game/home field....advantage. Also playing a another 110.

The Cowboy pick does seem too easy, that's usually not good.

*** right here is the big difference between Luck and Russell Wilson. I can see Luck throwing that INT, while RW doesn't lose games for his team.

The best thing about playoff games from an ATS perspective is we know we'll get a 100% effort and lines less than 7. Early in a season we really don't know what kind of effort we'll get. Yes these guys are watching their division standings, they don't need to win every game and know it.....early on. If ya noticed it was the final month when everyone now had to have it that I made my $$$$$. Yep, it gets easier later on.

Just heard it's raining in Pitt and they expect rain later on, so no play there. Rain comes into play in the kicking game.

Are you kidding me? It's raining in Carolina also, well there goes today. Never play $$$$ games where weather can be a factor. No plays today.

[ohmwrecker]

I'll go...
Steelers
Colts
Cowboys
Cardinals

[Avante]

I'll go...
Steelers
Colts
Cowboys
Cardinals

You talking straight up?

Out in the real world it's all about making $$$$$, unless you're playing an office pool straight up. (have never lost one of those)

On the internet it's about pissing those off dying to....YOU LOST YOU LOST YIPPEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahaha!!!!! When we were messing with the assholes here they were all over our bogus picks with...YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!! This season when I decided to give out my legit $$$$$$$ making plays......crickets....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! You could hear.."damn, he's pretty good". Which is no fun, it's only fun if....YOU LOST YOU LOST YIPPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Nobody is ever going to pat you on the back, they are only interested in kicking you in the ass, that is internet mentality. Yep...punks in hiding.

If you wanna find out if someone is an asshole or not, just stick them behind a computer with no repurcussions for their actions.

I once posted a mile long list of every track/footballer of note, had what schools/NFL teams they'd played for, their PR's. Tons of tracksters/footballers listed. Guy comes on...."you spelled (have forgot what) wrong"........hahaha!!! That's internet mentality, trying to see what you did wrong.

If you lose you get this...

CURRENT AVANTE BETTING TRACKER: 0-3, -$330

If you are winning, a totally different deal, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Once again a black QB will be playing for the National Championship and a great chance of a black QB playing in the SB with RW. That ability to extend plays, put defenses in...."will he run or throw"...a very big deal.

I'll just say it, if that black QB's has some smarts like RW it will work. Guys like Kaepernick/RGIII simply don't have the smarts to get it. Not sure what to think about Newton, sometimes he comes off dumber than a rock other times he appears fairly intelligent.

[Avante]

If mini speedster Dri Archer is going to do anything "this' season, tonight is the night.

[ohmwrecker]

You talking straight up?

Uh... yeah.

[Avante]

Uh... yeah.

0-2

I'm 1-1

I would have taken the Steelers also straight up. I also have Indy/Cowboys straight up.

[ohmwrecker]

0-2

I'm 1-1

I would have taken the Steelers also straight up. I also have Indy/Cowboys straight up.

The 2 games today were the shaky ones. I feel better about tomorrow's games going my way.

[Avante]

The 2 games today were the shaky ones. I feel better about tomorrow's games going my way.

I'm pretty confident the Cowboys will not only win but cover that 6.5. There is no reason to be real confident about Indy. There is also no reason to like Cincy. So when in doubt go with the home team.

[Avante]

Will lay the 6.5 and back the Cowboys, and play the under 49 in the Cincy vs Colts game, both a wimpy 110 to win a 100.

[Clipper Nation]

If mini speedster Dri Archer is going to do anything "this' season, tonight is the night.

Archer with an impressive -1 yards rushing. #Cursed

[Avante]

Archer with an impressive -1 yards rushing. #Cursed

Clipper Nation

Do you ever do anything yourself? You don't ever get tired/bored of following me/others around seeing if you can act stupid?

How about...YOU...actually giving out an opinion, maybe actually pick a game all by yourself. To just leech off everyone sucks.

Didn't I say Terrance West would beat out Ben Tate, well?
Didn't I say those Miss schools would be in the mix?
Didn't I say Nick Chubb would do just fine?
Didn't I say Tyreek Hill would star?
What did I say about Russell Wilson?

Boy, that's some curse, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

The Seahawks at home in the Pete Carroll era during the playoffs...3-0

The Seahawks at home in the playoffs the last decade....7-1

Carolina vs Seattle

2014...lost
2013...lost
2012...lost
2011...didn't play
2010...lost

Looks too easy.

Carolina in Seattle in a playoff game....lost 34-14. Last time in Seattle, lost 31-14.

Way too easy.

[Avante]

The Pats coming off a loss since 2012?

Try...49 games ago. We have to go back to weeks two/three of 2012. Since 2011 it's only happened twice.

The Ravens winning back to back road games since 2012? They haven't pulled that off in 4 tries since their SB run.

Home/road huge come playoff time.

[Avante]

So who are those teams that have never won a Superbowl?


NFC

Eagles
Vikes
Panthers
Falcons
Cards
Lions

AFC

Bills
Browns
Bengals
Texans
Jags
Titans/Oilers
Chargers

The Steelers, Niners, Cowboys....have won 16 combined.

[Avante]

Let's talk about the first Bengal to gain a 1000 yards in a season, Paul Robinson. He was a speed guy, a 400 hurdler while at Arizona. A one cut and out run people type. Not a tackle breaker, a ....try and catch me....type.

The best Bengal backs prior to Hill/Bernard.

Corey Dillon Washington
James Brooks Auburn
Icky Woods UNLV
Pete Johnson Ohio St
Rudi Johnson Auburn
Cedric Benson Texas
Essex Johnson Grambling

[Avante]

OK...

Colts /Bengals under 49. Last 6 road games for the Bengals when RD's all went under. Last 4 for the Colts as a HF all went under. That's a 10-0 trend.

Will lay the 6.5 and take the Cowboys. Best QB/RB/WR at home. Yes "right now" Bryant is superior to Johnson.

110 to win 100.


If I hit both...crickets. If I lose both.....YOU LOST YOU LOST...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also predict.....Andrew Luck looks goofy and throws an INT.

[Avante]

This was too easy, ok...

64-48 plus $1580 (here)

I haven't called in the Cowboys/Lions game..yet. With this win I think I'll close it down, yep...no confidence in Dallas or Detroit in this "spot". Far better plays next week.

Will pocket the $1000, play with the $580.

Hopefully ya learned how to make $$$$$ playing the NFL point spead this season. Enjoying some football while pulling in tax free $$$$$, life is good, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let;s have some music:toast



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Uht69h8Is

[Avante]

Better QB at home in the playoffs theory.

Newton is better than Lindley....won
Luck is better than Dalton...won
Romo is better than Stafford....won
Big Ben is better than Flacco...nope!

3-1

Next week...

I don't know if Manning is better than Luck at this stage of their careers or not, sure he's more football smart but his arm...??? This one doesn't fit.

RW far better than Cam Newton.
Tom Brady is better than Flacco.
Aaron Rodgers is better than Tony Romo.

3-1/4-0 looks very realistic.

[spurraider21]

This was too easy, ok...

64-48 plus $1580 (here)

I haven't called in the Cowboys/Lions game..yet. With this win I think I'll close it down, yep...no confidence in Dallas or Detroit in this "spot". Far better plays next week.

Will pocket the $1000, play with the $580.

Hopefully ya learned how to make $$$$$ playing the NFL point spead this season. Enjoying some football while pulling in tax free $$$$$, life is good, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let;s have some music:toast



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Uht69h8Is
how do you have 48 losses when you had 48 losses after week 17, and picked the Cardinals and Cowboys ATS, both of which lost?

[Avante]

how do you have 48 losses when you had 48 losses after week 17, and picked the Cardinals and Cowboys ATS, both of which lost?

How about actually reading what is being said....ok?

I bailed out on both plays, as I said. The only play I called in this weekend was Colts/Bengals under 49. Which won.

Stop trying to play detective ok, everything I do is right here, you just aren't paying attention.

Here ya go...

"Just heard it's raining in Pitt and they expect rain later on, so no play there. Rain comes into play in the kicking game.

Are you kidding me? It's raining in Carolina also, well there goes today. Never play $$$$ games where weather can be a factor. No plays today"

And....

[spurraider21]

not seeing where you removed your cowboys ATS play...

[Avante]

not seeing where you removed your cowboys ATS play...

Here it is...

"I haven't called in the Cowboys/Lions game..yet. With this win I think I'll close it down, yep...no confidence in Dallas or Detroit in this "spot". Far better plays next week."

Dude, if you're going to be all worried about this how about actually reading what's being said...ok?

So...

64-48 plus $1580 57.1%...here

[spurraider21]

i just got home from a trip and just skimmed through, didn't bother reading every single post word for word. thank you for clarifying

[Avante]

i just got home from a trip and just skimmed through, didn't bother reading every single post word for word. thank you for clarifying

Do you really think I think I can bullshit about anything knowing I;m being watched? Come on man...sheesh~~~~~~~~~

In the playoffs I call in one game at a time because of what we saw today....players not playing at the last minute. So ya might wanna look for that from me.

Why do I doubt you try that..Avante Betting Tracker....thread next season? Sorta backfired didn't it? Not much fun counting my $$$$$$ for me is it, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

it went fine this year. it kept an accurate tally, which was its only intention.

[Avante]

it went fine this year. it kept an accurate tally, which was its only intention.

It was pretty obvious what the intention of the thread was about. You made that real clear with ....BIG BLACK LETTERS -$330. Once it became real obvious I was go to be winning $$$$$$$, you seemed to lose the same level of excitement, hahaha!!!!!!!!!

Where's the BIG BLACK LETTERS for plus $1580...?

[Avante]

Ok talking "spots".

The Panthers accomplished their goal, they won a playoff game. In the Cam Newton era that is all they are a team looking to win....a...playoff game. The Seawaks in the Russell Wilson era about winning another Superbowl. They expect to win playoff games. But.....the brand of football that they play isn't built for 11 point wins. Other tan SB's that is, haha~~~

In the RW era...

2012
beat Redskins by 10
lost
beat Saints by 8
beat Niners by 6

Here is a "spot" for the Panthers to hang within the number, I think we're looking at Seattle 24 Carolina 14..ish. The outcome never in doubt.

[Avante]

I posted this a couple days ago....



Ranking the playoff teams by points scored/given up.

The number will be like this...scored 468 given up 313 so....plus 15. 46 over 31.

1.NE 15
2.Sea 14
3.GB 14
4.Den 13
5.Dall 11
6.Balt 10
7.Indy 9
8.Pitt 7
9.Det 4
10.Cincy 2
11.Ariz 2
12. Caro minus 4....thank God for the weak NFC South


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As we saw....

Dallas 11 Det 4.....Dallas win
Indy 9 Cincy 2....Indy wins
Balt 10 Pitt 7.....Balt wins
Ariz 2 Caro - 4...Caro wins

3-1

Next week

Seattle 14 Caro - 4
NE 15 Balt 10
GB 14 Dall 11
Den 13 Indy 9

[Avante]

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Russell Wilson

at home vs

Joe Flacco
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo
Cam Newton

...on the road, hmmmm?

[Avante]

Who thinks of the Pacific Northwest and football?

Oregon NCAA champs
Seattle NFL champs

A very real possibilty.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Evolution? With the NCAA going more and more to mobile/athletic/black QB's (look at all the top teams with them) watch what happens in the NFL. And.....with up tempo NCAA football we'll be seeing smaller quicker defensive linemen, big 330 pound run stuffers can't hang at that pace. Where does the NFL get it;s D linemen?

By 2025 there will be more black QB's in the league than ever, and smaller quicker defensive linemen. Yep, a different game.

[Avante]

I saw my first televised NFL game in 1962, it was the Giants vs Bears, that day number 28 Willie Galimore stold the show. Seen a lot of CFL/WFL/USFL/NCAA/AFL/NFL/JC/high school football. And have never ever seen a call as bad as what we saw in that Cowboy game. How can that not be pass interference? That was the classic example of pass interference. Could use that as a poster that reads...pass interference.

Sure it all evens out over a season, but to have that happen in a playoff game........wrong!

[Avante]

The All Time Pro Bowl.

AFC

Peyton Manning Colts
Jim Brown Browns
Jerome Bettis Steelers
Marvin Harrison Colts
Tim Brown Raiders
Tony Gonzalez Chiefs

NFC

Joe Montana Niners
Walter Payton Bears
Barry Sanders Lions
Jerry Rice Niners
Randy Moss Vikes
Jason Witten Cowboys

Hmmmm?

[Avante]

No team in the league has won more games in December than the Patriots, they are 69-31 since 1990. The Ravens are 49-49. Don't have that info for January.

Seattle 53 Carolina 48
Green Bay 66 Dallas 45

Forget Indy vs Denver, the Peyton Manning factor at work there.

[Avante]

No time in playoff history has a team with a losing record won a road playoff game. They are 0-5. Soon to be...0-6.

Baltimore has never beaten NE when Gronk plays.

I feel sorry for the Steelers, they really missed Bell.
Feel sorry for the Bengals, no Green or Gresham.
Feel sorry for the Lions, that was the poster child for pass interference.

So far home teams are 3-1 in the playoffs, will be 7-1 after this round.

[Avante]

Hard to believe guys who make millions of dollars at what they do drafted Johnny Manziel. I would have sat down with the guy and made it very clear if he wants to play for my team he will need to drop his attitude and yes he will change. This..."I'm doing what I want"...won't work. If he can't figure out an NFL QB won't allow him to do what he wants, if he doesn't know an NFL QB is suppose to be the leader of the team I can't use him. If I don't get...."yes sir I understand that and will do what needs to be done"......I;m not wasting a draft pick on him.

After watching him in 2014, I'm dumping him. His immaturity is too obvious.

[Avante]

Imagine the Seahawks without Lynch, the Cowboys without Murray. That's what we saw with the Steelers without Bell. Are the Ravens really all that in 2014? Or did they get a little lucky?

The Ravens have never beaten a Pats team with Gronk playing, that won't change.

[pgardn]

Denver: 7-7
49ers: 4-10
Seattle: 8-6
Indy: 10-4
Cincy: 7-7

this power system is a combined 36-34 this year. for your standard 110 to win 100 bets, that leads to a total of -$140

this is why systems/trends are for chumps. rather than stick to this phony bologna system:tu

Its a horrible way to bet that is fed to the public without any mechanism to back it.
It assumes that past events influence future events, like a guy reasoning that he has flipped too many heads in a row, so that the next flip has a greater chance of being tales, or vice versa ( I'm on a hot streak, it's got to be heads again)

Its about the same as Avante's reasoning that evolution is bogus. It's hopelessly misinformed.
If he thinks winning one season is a validation that he really is good at this, give it some time, he will eventually regress to .500, and with that 10% off the top, that's a loser. Vegas welcomes him.

[Avante]

Its a horrible way to bet that is fed to the public without any mechanism to back it.
It assumes that past events influence future events, like a guy reasoning that he has flipped too many heads in a row, so that the next flip has a greater chance of being tales, or vice versa ( I'm on a hot streak, it's got to be heads again)

Its about the same as Avante's reasoning that evolution is bogus. It's hopelessly misinformed.
If he thinks winning one season is a validation that he really is good at this, give it some time, he will eventually regress to .500, and with that 10% off the top, that's a loser. Vegas welcomes him.

Other than the Niners who I would have jumped off because of the Aldon Smith situation, that system currenty sits at 36-26-2. That's a nice little profit.

And if you knew anything at all about NFL wagering you'd be very aware of how history plays a huge part in it. Only fools and rookies ignore history.

I'm at over $2000 to the good ($1580 here) betting angles/trends/history. Looking for "spots" that favor a side. Up above I played an under with a 10-0 trend attached to it, now it's 11-0.

What happens is fools like yourself simply can't figure out what beating the NFL point spread is really all about. They just don't get it.

I started off in the hole 330, so why was I never worried and kept..."calm down it gets easier"..it was because I know what I'm doing and always end up winning $$$$$...always.

Most guys don't have a clue what to look for, they don't understand how these teams do in whatever role they are in that week. Most wouldn't even get....role.

Since week one...64-45...that is what I usually hit, around 55-60% 66-48 on the internet and if not for bogus weather reports...68-48. That rivals anyone out there.

As we saw it's not as entertaining/fun when I'm winning, but it was funny watching..."YOU SUCK!"...to...crickets (damn he's legit)....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

I really don't like doing all the work and then handing out free $$$$$, that's why I was reluctant to give out legit $$$$ making plays. But......I finally decided to shut up the dumb kids here and as we saw....I did.


As far as evolution goes, there are still too many..."could have"..."maybe"...."good chance"..."not certain but"...involved with it.

[Avante]

This looks funny....

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo
Joe Flacco

Cam Newton????

[Avante]

One of the great running backs in pro football history. A 9.2 sprinter while in college.

Who?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Track_star_-_Copy.jpg/475px-Track_star_-_Copy.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Track_star_-_Copy.jpg)

[Avante]

Ok my picks...

I can't play 11 points. I can see the Seahawks at 24-7 ish late in game, then the Panthers score a garbage td...24-14.

I can see the Ravens hanging close, but want to root for the Pats, so no play. NE 24 Balt 20 looks about right.

If Rodgers was 100% I;m laying the 6, what happened if he gets hurt? No play!

Ok, finally....

Without a running game, there's Luck in third and 6ish all day long. While Peyton will spend the day in third and short, there's the game. Denver 28 Indy 20. So will lay the 7.

110 to win 100.

Have yet to lose a over/under play, I just can't find one this week.

[spurraider21]

One of the great running backs in pro football history. A 9.2 sprinter while in college.

Who?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Track_star_-_Copy.jpg/475px-Track_star_-_Copy.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Track_star_-_Copy.jpg)
andy hopkins

[Avante]

andy hopkins

Interesting story....

One of the nations fastest sprinters with his 9.2 while at Stephen F. Austin. Ended up with the Houston Oilers, for some reason he didn't make it there. Ended up in the CFL where he tore it up.

Thing about this guy is a real case can be made that he is the fastest running back to ever play pro football. And......he's totally lost in obscurity.

Curtis Dickey who also ran a 9.2/10.10 the fastest RB ever to make an pro football team and star in the NFL. But.....Hopkins ran his 9.2 long before Dickey which makes it superior.

[Avante]

I posted this prior to the playoffs.

Ranking the playoff teams by points scored/given up.

The number will be like this...scored 468 given up 313 so....plus 15. 46 over 31.

1.NE 15
2.Sea 14
3.GB 14
4.Den 13
5.Dall 11
6.Balt 10
7.Indy 9
8.Pitt 7
9.Det 4
10.Cincy 2
11.Ariz 2
12. Caro minus 4....thank God for the weak NFC South


That is about straight up. So far...3-1, but that Ariz QB situation can't be ignored.

[Avante]

Better QB at home....let's see how that plays out today.

So far...3-1

According to that theory...

Brady over Flacco
Rodgers over Romo
Manning over Luck
RW over Newton

Change the word better to....more successful. All the ones on the left have won SB's. only Flacco on the right but Brady has more.

[Avante]

This was just too easy.

See ya in 30 days NLS, to buck all those trends....DUH!!!!!!!

DD hopefully ya learned your lesson, see you in 60 days.

Koolaid Man Brother, I feel sorry for ya ya little shit, you can slither on back after 90 days, if.....you stay away from me....ok?

Anyone out there still not getting Russell Wilson? He's that smart black QB like Warren Moon, a mobile. intelligent guy who knows how to win football games. Anyone ...still...not getting this?

So far the ...more successful QB at home.....is 5-1 in the playoffs. Little doubt Denver makes it 6-1. If.....Aaron Rodgers doesn't reinjure that calf. 7-1.

Russell Wilson at his stage of a career is the most successful QB in pro football history. Nobody has been more successful. Now ya know why I was as high on him as I am, I knew he'd be special.

[Avante]

It's come full circle.

Those 60's Packer teams had receivers nobody here as ever heard of. They had a smart QB who rarely made mistakes. They had a monster back in Jim Taylor and a D with four future HOFers on it. And.....a great coach.

Hmmmm?

[Pelicans78]

Seattle's a very hard team to beat. Takes a team with an extremely physical running game and physical defense and no one else in the playoffs has that combo.

[Avante]

Seattle's a very hard team to beat. Takes a team with an extremely physical running game and physical defense and no one else in the playoffs has that combo.

The key to winning in the NFL is....

1.win the turnover battle
2.run the ball
3.stuff the run

No team does that better.

They have the best, Coach/QB/Defense...trio in the league.

Add all that up and they are the team to beat again this season.

[Pelicans78]

The key to winning in the NFL is....

1.win the turnover battle
2.run the ball
3.stuff the run

No team does that better.

They have the best, Coach/QB/Defense...trio in the league.

Add all that up and they are the team to beat again this season.

The Pats were the better team throughout the regular season mainly because Seattle's offense hadn't been as strong as the previous two seasons while the Pats offense was very good and the Pats defense pretty good as well. We learned more about the Pats today beating a strong Ravens team while the Seahawks cruised in the 4th against a weaker Panthers team. I think Seattle has a better chance against Green Bay than Dallas though depending on that Simon dude to be the number two corner could be a nightmare scenario against Rodgers.

[Avante]

The Pats were the better team throughout the regular season mainly because Seattle's offense hadn't been as strong as the previous two seasons while the Pats offense was very good and the Pats defense pretty good as well. We learned more about the Pats today beating a strong Ravens team while the Seahawks cruised in the 4th against a weaker Panthers team. I think Seattle has a better chance against Green Bay than Dallas though depending on that Simon dude to be the number two corner could be a nightmare scenario against Rodgers.

If the Cowboys can win another on the road that would tell us they are a serious threat, but.....there is no doubt the Seahawks have a score to settle having lost to them in 2014. I think they'd be more stoked for the Cowboys.

The Packers are better than the Cowboys, and would be a harder out.

[Avante]

Jordy Nelson was a Kansas State 100/200/400 and long jump champ. He was a 10.6 guy. Not too bad, for a white guy. His 48 second 400m is why nobody runs him down, he has that...speed endurance.

What a shame Russell Wilson doesn't have a T.Y.Hilton to throw to.

What's with all these Cal backs?

What a shame Carson Palmer got hurt. With him the Cards would have been a real threat.

I do doubt the Ravens beat the Steelers if Bell would have played.

Kaepernick working with Kurt Warner, he needs it.

Tom Brady........wow~~~~~~~~

I think Kelvin Benjamin is going to make it, ha~~~~~~~~~~~

Sure Newton looked bad vs Seattle but who doesn't?

Andrew Luck will throw at least one pick later today.

[Avante]

DD why are you still here?

[Avante]

As we are seeing that home field advantage is huge...if...these teams are healthy. I have no doubts the Steelers beat the Ravens with Bell there.

I expect to see more of that today, barring injuries....Broncos/Packers move on.

Next week we will have the better QB on the road, While young RW is a great QB he isn't on a par with Aaron Rodgers.

[Avante]

Never been more wrong about a game in my life. If we were going to see a blowout in this round it was Broncos beating up Colts. Then Peyton Manning got really old real quick. That's it for him, he's done. If the Broncos let him stay as the starting QB they are stupid. I did nail Luck throwing another INT, actually two, that's what seperates him from Wilson, his decision making.

So 64-49 plus $1470.

So here's the plan, I'm going to pocket a grand, take the 6.5 and put $ 440 on the Buckeyes tonight. Urban Myers has never failed to win the $$$$ as a dog. If he loses tonight my betting season is over. Will end up 64-50 plus $1030 (here). If I win...65-49 $1870 and moving on, with 330 to play, will now pocket $1540.

Meyers is used to the big stage/game that can't be said about Helfrich.

Anyone still think the NFL wants the Cowboys there?

The Colts stand no chance vs the Pats in the cold of Foxboro in Jan.

That Seattle defense at home vs a QB who is limited, now add the Russell Wilson factor.

Like I said long ago....Seahawks vs Pats....will be our Superbowl.


I'll be in a shitty situation tonight, one I don't like. I want the Ducks to win but the Buckeyes to stay close, yep....sucks! I just can't ignore the Urban Myers factor there.

[Avante]

I 'm having fun with this Russell Wilson thing. Watching a lot of you all thinking....damn, this guy is great....but ya just can't admit it because you've already....just a monkeyballer....a game manager.......so you'd look stupid now.

I'll just say it......here we have the smart black QB, he has that running ability unique to black QB's and is intelligent unlike most black QB's. That's why he's special, a unigue combo.

We saw Andrew Luck yesterday throwing two more INT's and if Tom Brady is on the Broncos they are losing that game. When was the last time we saw RW throw an INT in a big game?

RW's combo of....passing/decision making/running....unmatched in todays game.

[Avante]

There was a time early on where both the Pats and Seahawks were 2-2 and 3-3 and it was....what's wrong with Brady, too much turmoil in Seattle...hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Green Bay was 2-2, and the Colts were 0-2.

Hopefully you learned something about the pro game, it's all about vs your division, not winning every game, that's the NCAA.

Those four teams in the second half of the season....

Pats...6-2 with that week 17 game meaning 0.
Seattle...7-1
Packers...7-1
Indy...6-2

[pgardn]

Other than the Niners who I would have jumped off because of the Aldon Smith situation, that system currenty sits at 36-26-2. That's a nice little profit.

And if you knew anything at all about NFL wagering you'd be very aware of how history plays a huge part in it. Only fools and rookies ignore history.

I'm at over $2000 to the good ($1580 here) betting angles/trends/history. Looking for "spots" that favor a side. Up above I played an under with a 10-0 trend attached to it, now it's 11-0.

What happens is fools like yourself simply can't figure out what beating the NFL point spread is really all about. They just don't get it.

I started off in the hole 330, so why was I never worried and kept..."calm down it gets easier"..it was because I know what I'm doing and always end up winning $$$$$...always.

Most guys don't have a clue what to look for, they don't understand how these teams do in whatever role they are in that week. Most wouldn't even get....role.

Since week one...64-45...that is what I usually hit, around 55-60% 66-48 on the internet and if not for bogus weather reports...68-48. That rivals anyone out there.

As we saw it's not as entertaining/fun when I'm winning, but it was funny watching..."YOU SUCK!"...to...crickets (damn he's legit)....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

I really don't like doing all the work and then handing out free $$$$$, that's why I was reluctant to give out legit $$$$ making plays. But......I finally decided to shut up the dumb kids here and as we saw....I did.


As far as evolution goes, there are still too many..."could have"..."maybe"...."good chance"..."not certain but"...involved with it.

But not with betting, you are sure to make a profit.
You are not only a liar, but an idiot.
If you really even make these bets, you and I know you are in the hole lifetime.
You know I'm correct, but would never admit to the truth.

[Avante]

But not with betting, you are sure to make a profit.
You are not only a liar, but an idiot.

How many totally stupid posts can you make? Dude, do you work at being dumb or is he heredity?

[pgardn]

How many totally stupid posts can you make? Dude, do you work at being dumb or is he heredity?

Its you.
Its so easy.

Keep going on about heredity Dr. Biology.
?ya see, everything, every species on Earth is miraculously created, populations of living things can't change over time. Ya see all those dog breeds, God made em all. Ya might think it was selective breeding but nope, that chihuahua and Newfoundland that showed up on my doorstep, God made those for me. Ya just can't change living populations over time.

idiot...

[Avante]

Its you.
Its so easy.

Keep going on about heredity Dr. Biology.
?ya see, everything, every species on Earth is miraculously created, populations of living things can't change over time. Ya see all those dog breeds, God made em all. Ya might think it was selective breeding but nope, that chihuahua and Newfoundland that showed up on my doorstep, God made those for me. Ya just can't change living populations over time.

idiot...

A fucking retard on a messagaboard, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! A fucking freak as we can see.

[pgardn]

A fucking retard on a messagaboard, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! A fucking freak as we can see.

You have no idea what you should have just learned.
The simplest of examples are just line drives right at your face.

I need you also to slam a pie in your face.

[Avante]

You have no idea what you should have just learned.
The simplest of examples are just line drives right at your face.

I need you also to slam a pie in your face.

Slam a pie in my face........did you really say that, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A fucking retarded faggot and the internet, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pgardn]

Slam a pie in my face........did you really say that, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A fucking retarded faggot and the internet, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No.

I typed it ya Fckn moron.

Fat old homo going after young Vietnamese boys.
Have you gone to church for those acts? How many Our Fathers did that require Ya old perv?

[Avante]

No.

I typed it ya Fckn moron.

Fat old homo going after young Vietnamese boys.
Have you gone to church for those acts? How many Our Fathers did that require Ya old perv?

I'll go slow.....

I was in the Navy, not the Army/Marines...ok stupid. We didn't pull R&R in Viet Nam ya dumb fuck....ok? So here you are talking out your ass as you always do totally clueless. And....just because you suck cock that doesn't mean I do, ok ya fucking queer?

Is this one dumb fuck or what?

[Avante]

We did see a first in the history of pro football yesterday, a Cam throwing to a Cam for a TD.

While here....

These are the teams with decades of great QB play.

Niners...Y.A.Tittle, John Brodie, Joe Montana, Steve Young
Packers....Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers
Cowboys...Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo
Colts...Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck

There is a real good chance (Vegas has them favored) Russell Wilson will win another SB, will that finally wake some of the dummies here up?

[pgardn]

I'll go slow.....

I was in the Navy, not the Army/Marines...ok stupid. We didn't pull R&R in Viet Nam ya dumb fuck....ok? So here you are talking out your ass as you always do totally clueless. And....just because you suck cock that doesn't mean I do, ok ya fucking queer?

Is this one dumb fuck or what?

Oh, wrong country, I Never mentioned what service, but still acts with children.
Going slow won't change how slow you went down on young Asian kids.
Do you have a habit of typing yourself questions because of guilt?

[Avante]

Oh, wrong country, I Never mentioned what service, but still acts with children.
Going slow won't change how slow you went down on young Asian kids.
Do you have a habit of typing yourself questions because of guilt?

Do you honestly believe those bars allowed underage hookers in them? You really are a total idiot aren't you? Go ahead ya fucking moron check on the laws and that work permit they all had to have.

Damn you're dumb.

You are confusing this sex slavery thing to the whore houses...ok dummy? There were places that were off limits.

Is this one retarded fuck or what?

[pgardn]

Do you honestly believe those bars allowed underage hookers in them? You really are a total idiot aren't you? Go ahead ya fucking moron check on the laws and that work permit they all had to have.

Damn you're dumb.

You are confusing this sex slavery thing to the whore houses...ok dummy? There were places that were off limits.

Is this one retarded fuck or what?

Just reading your history old perv.
Again you typed yourself a question.
Maybe you should try answering yourself and then go to confession.

[Avante]

Why totally ignore what I said faggot? It was illegal for anyone to be in those bars under 18....ok? And....all those girls had to have work permits. Damn you're dumb.

It isn't real obvious I'm talking to anyone reading this with....

The classic case of stupidity in hiding with this retard.

[pgardn]

Why totally ignore what I said faggot? It was illegal for anyone to be in those bars under 18....ok? And....all those girls had to have work permits. Damn you're dumb.

It isn't real obvious I'm talking to anyone reading this with....

The classic case of stupidity in hiding with this retard.

Oh that's not what is implied.
And I just can't bring myself to believe an idiot who has read nothing about so many things like evolution, and then out right refutes it.
Get it old perv? you made your bed with ignorance before, now sleep in it.
And then go to confession.

[Avante]

Oh that's not what is implied.
And I just can't bring myself to believe an idiot who has read nothing about so many things like evolution, and then out right refutes it.
Get it old perv? you made your bed with ignorance before, now sleep in it.
And then go to confession.

Little man, I once posted a few pictures of my Fortress of Solitude at The Club, I showed off my 10,000 book library, my 6000 CD/tapes library and my 20,000 football cards. Read a book a week and have been doing that for over 50 years.

Anything you read about evolution will come with..."we suspect"..."we are led to believe"..."it appears there is a good chance".....and you know this, so shut the fuck up.

[Avante]

The first thing I look at when trying to handicap these games is this...(after week 8 that is)


http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/against-the-spread/


I look at who is playing what role that week, this week The Pats/Seahawks are home favs, the Packers/Colts are road dogs. As we can see in both games there is no real advantage there for anyone, so fuck that.

So what needs to be looked at next?

[Avante]

After watching the impact Edelman and Amendola make on the Pats, I started thinking about other white receiving duos. Won't go way back in the day before we had black players.

Those 60's Packers had Boyd Dowler, a college hurdler, Carroll Dale and Max McGee.

Around that time the St. Louis Cardinals had Bobby Joe Conrad and 9.7 sprinter Sonny Randle.

When Mike Ditka was with the Bears he was a pass catcher, on the other side was speedy Johnny Morris who is still the all time leading receiver for the Bears.

When the great Ray Berry was starring for the Colts, there was Jimmy Orr on the other side.

That Jets team that won the SB had future HOFer Don Maynard and George Sauer.

When the Chargers weren't throwing to the amazing Lance Alworth, they were throwing to Gary Garrison.

So who am I forgetting?

[Avante]

We will probably have two Big10 QB's in the SB. So that would give the Big10 both Champions, the NCAA/NFL. Both beating Pac12 QB's, just like Ohio State had to do.

Hmmmm?

[Avante]

California and the NFL playoffs.

Tom Brady is from here
Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch ...Cal
Andrew Luck...Stanford
Clay Matthews...USC

[Avante]

Remember when....

Eddie Lacy was a fat slob?

Tom Brady was washed up?

The Seahawks were in trouble?

RGIII was better than Russell Wilson?

The Ravens can beat the Pats in a playoff game in 2014?

Cam Newton was compared to the elite QB's?

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Will we see another season where black QB's win both the NCAA/NFL titles?

[Avante]

Ok...

Will pocket $1540, and play $330 on the Pats - 6.5. The Pats as a single digit fav...17-4 in the last 21. The Pats have owned Andrew Luck, why should that change? I have the better QB at home "again" vs the inferior QB on the road "again". Nice "spot" to be in.

If I hit will play 660 on the Seahawks in the SB, if I don't my season is over 65-50 plus $1540 (here)

I don't like 7.5, never have. The Seahawks having to win by two scores, don't like it. Will pass. I can see the classic...

Seahawks 21-7 with a couple minutes to play, then...21-14, yep...a loser.

I will be ignoring this strong trend.....Seattle 20-4 ATS....in that second home game. Yep, Aaron Rodgers even gimply gets my respect.

[Avante]

Black QB wins the NCAA "again" this season. Will a black QB win the SB "again". Vegas had them favored, guessing they still are.

[Avante]

When I land an NFL coaching job (waiting by the phone)

Will bring in tight ends. They will be my backs/linemen/pass catchers. A speed back/receiver and everyone else TE's. Imagine a defense dealing with Gronk, Graham and Gates. You'd have them so beat up by the third quarter.

I'll also never try to block a kick if leading in a game.

Will only run back KO's if leading in a game.

Will run a "Diamond" offense. That's one speed receiver, a TE in tight and two TE's as tailbacks and my stud back in an I. Will change the way the pro game is played.

[Avante]

If Russell Wilson wins another SB that will put him all alone in the....

Most wins after three seasons
Most SB wins after first three seasons
Only 300 passer/100 yard rusher in a game
highest first three year passer rating average

club.

An amazing athlete taking the game to another level and only idiots and fools don't see this.

We all know when watching Andrew Luck you are thinking.....ok, when does he throw that INT...that isn't the case with RW.

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/3N4d3Kf.png

[Clipper Nation]

We all know when watching Andrew Luck you are thinking.....ok, when does he throw that INT...that isn't the case with RW.

Struggle has thrown more picks in this half than Luck has thrown in the entire postseason :lol

[chunticakes]

get back in here ya ol' fuck.

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/3N4d3Kf.png

http://i.imgur.com/9PCF2LD.png

[Avante]

Ya can sure tell the rookies, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What more does RW have to do? He ties the rookie QB record, he wins a playoff game, has a 100 passer rating as a rookie. In his second season he wins the SB, with another 100 passer rating, something that had never been done before. Now in his third season he's back in another SB.

I challenge anyone to find any QB who had a better first three seasons. Go away Google....Peyton, Marino, Elway, Brady, Unitas, Montana, Favre....OTTO GRAHAM..."SLINGLIN' " SAMMY BAUGH, good luck~~~~~~~~~

Way too many dumb kids who don't seem to understand shit about the game, why not start taking notes, ok? I'm always ready to teach.

There is nobody in the league but RW who makes that conversation play work.

[Avante]

So we're going to have two BIG10 QB's handing off to two monster PAC12 backs, hmmmmmm?

The Pats do have a history of big power backs, their first 1000 yard rusher was an NCAA wrestling champ fom Syracuse, Jim Nance, he wa a 240pound bull. The franchises all time leading rusher is Sam "Bam" Cunningham (yep, his brother), another big back. Who can forger Antuane Smith out of Houston?

The first stud Seahawk back was actually a college QB at Miami of Ohio named Sherman Smith, he was between the tackles guy. Converted to running back at the pro level.

[Pelicans78]

Curtis Martin? Best back in Pats history?

[Avante]

Curtis Martin? Best back in Pats history?

Actually Martin did his best work as a Jet. As a Pat he's behind Cunningham, Jim Nance and Tony Collins.

Curtis Martin had a better career than any of those just not as a Pat.

[TampaDude]

When I land an NFL coaching job (waiting by the phone)

Will bring in tight ends. They will be my backs/linemen/pass catchers. A speed back/receiver and everyone else TE's. Imagine a defense dealing with Gronk, Graham and Gates. You'd have them so beat up by the third quarter.

I'll also never try to block a kick if leading in a game.

Will only run back KO's if leading in a game.

Will run a "Diamond" offense. That's one speed receiver, a TE in tight and two TE's as tailbacks and my stud back in an I. Will change the way the pro game is played.

Tim Tebow awaits your call. :lol

[Avante]

Tim Tebow awaits your call. :lol

Tim Tebow would be perfect running that offense.

TE types totally fuck up any defense. Too big/strong for defensive backs, too fast for backers. So why not have three of them out there? Sure you'll need a speed receiver/back so the D can't cheat up.

Imagine trying to tackle TE's all day long, ouch~~~~~~~~~

Have them in the backfield, will they block for a run or go out for a pass?

[Avante]

Vince Lombardi was the Belichick of his day, those Packer teams of the 60's had...

Bart Starr
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
Jim Ringo
Forrest Gregg
Willie Davis
Ray Nitscke
Wilie Wood
Willie Adderley

on them. all in the HOF.

Unitas played on a team with four other HOFers on offense.

You ever hear/read anything about.......but look at who they had?

Look at what Peyton has today....the Thomas, Sanders, Welker. Compare that to what RW has. Look at what the Pats have. Look at what Romo has.

Imagine Russell Wilson with....Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Bert Jones.

[Avante]

Stud QB's and their stud back

Otto Graham/Marion Motley
Y.A.Tittle/Joe Perry/John Henry Johnson/Hugh McElehnny.....all in the HOF
Tobin Rote/Paul Lowe
Jack Kemp/Cookie Gilchrist
Don Meredith/Don Perkins
Roman Gabriel/Dick Bass
Darly Lamonica/Clem Daneils
John Unitas/Lenny Moore (first great receiving RB)
Terry Bradshaw/Franco Harris
Bart Starr/Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung....all in the HOF
Roger Staubach/Tony Dorsett
Joe Theisman/John Riggins
Troy Aikman/Emmit Smith
Joe Namath/Matt Snell
Bob Griese/Larry Csonka
Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas
Kurt Warner/Marshall Faulk
John Elway/Terrell Davis
Joe Montana/Roger Craig
Dan Fouts/Chuck Muncie
Philip Rivers/Ladainian Tomlinson
Peyton Manning/Edgerrin James
Tony Romo/DeMarco Murray
Russell Wilson/Marshawn Lynch


I do get a kick out of this stupid....it's the RB and D....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Imagine....

Russell Wilson at QB
Chuck Muncie a 1000 yard rusher at RB
Kellen Winslow who was the guy that actually changed the TE position
Charlie Joiner who like Winslow is in the HOF
John Jefferson, a fantastic speed receiver lost in obscurity because of $$$$.

That's what the statue Dan Fouts had, Fouts couldn't run a lick.

[Avante]

Something we don't see today, the running back duos.

The great combos, both there together.

Bears...Red "The Galloping Ghost" Grange/Bronco Nagurski....HOFers
Niners...Joe "The Jet" Perry/Hugh "The King" McElhenny/John Henry Johnson...HOFers
Packers....Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung....HOFers
Bears...Rick Casares/Willie Galimore.....best back you've never heard of.
Browns...Jim Brown/Bobby Mitchell.....HOFers (Mitchell as a Redskin receiver)
Chargers...Paul Lowe/Keith Lincoln
Chiefs...Abner Haynes/Curtis McClinton
Saints....Tony Galbreath/Chuck Muncie
Steelers...Franco Harris/Rocky Bliears
Raiders...Hewritt Dixon/Clem Daneils
Jets...Matt Snell/Emerson Boozer
Bengals...Pete Johnson/James Brooks
Browns...Kevin Mack/Ernest Byner
Dolphins...Larry Csonka/Mercury Morris
Redskins...John Riggins/Joe Washington

Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson spelled each other, same with Tony Dorsett and Hercshel Walker, more or less. Those mentioned above lined up together, more or less.

So who did I miss?

[Pelicans78]

Stud QB's and their stud back

Otto Graham/Marion Motley
Y.A.Tittle/Joe Perry/John Henry Johnson/Hugh McElehnny.....all in the HOF
Tobin Rote/Paul Lowe
Jack Kemp/Cookie Gilchrist
Don Meredith/Don Perkins
Roman Gabriel/Dick Bass
Darly Lamonica/Clem Daneils
John Unitas/Lenny Moore (first great receiving RB)
Terry Bradshaw/Franco Harris
Bart Starr/Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung....all in the HOF
Roger Staubach/Tony Dorsett
Joe Theisman/John Riggins
Troy Aikman/Emmit Smith
Joe Namath/Matt Snell
Bob Griese/Larry Csonka
Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas
Kurt Warner/Marshall Faulk
John Elway/Terrell Davis
Joe Montana/Roger Craig
Dan Fouts/Chuck Muncie
Philip Rivers/Ladainian Tomlinson
Peyton Manning/Edgerrin James
Tony Romo/DeMarco Murray
Russell Wilson/Marshawn Lynch


I do get a kick out of this stupid....it's the RB and D....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Warner was great without Faulk in Arizona.

Fouts put up tons of numbers without Muncie who was a crackhead most of his career.

Rodgers and Brees have won big and put up big numbers without a stud RB and stud defense.

[Pelicans78]

Imagine....

Russell Wilson at QB
Chuck Muncie a 1000 yard rusher at RB
Kellen Winslow who was the guy that actually changed the TE position
Charlie Joiner who like Winslow is in the HOF
John Jefferson, a fantastic speed receiver lost in obscurity because of $$$$.

That's what the statue Dan Fouts had, Fouts couldn't run a lick.

Fouts was a much better pocket passer than RW will ever be. Gimme a break. Wilson has to do most of his damage outside the pocket.

[Avante]

Fouts was a much better pocket passer than RW will ever be. Gimme a break. Wilson has to do most of his damage outside the pocket.

Does it really matter if a QB is in the pocket or not? The point was, RW has never had a slew of great receivers. Fouts had the best trio....ever...and when Jefferson left for GB in came Wes Chandler.

[Avante]

Firsts for Russell Wilson

Big10 QB to throw for 26 TDS as an NFL rookie.

Back to back 100 passer rating as a two year NFL QB.

Two Superbowl appearances in first three seasons.

300 yards passing/100 yards rushing in a game.

Third year QB to have went 10-0 vs SB winning QB's.

Most wins of any third year QB.

First QB to return to a SB after more than a decade.

Most playoff wins by any third year QB.

Yet, we...STILL...see those not getting it. What more does this guy need to do?

[Avante]

Speaking of white receivers....

The biggest difference between blac/white receivers is that size with speed thing. There are no white Calvin Johnson's.

[Pelicans78]

Does it really matter if a QB is in the pocket or not? The point was, RW has never had a slew of great receivers. Fouts had the best trio....ever...and when Jefferson left for GB in came Wes Chandler.

It does matter because most passes are thrown from the pocket. Fouts never played with a number one defense either. That's half the game being dominated.

[Avante]

It does matter because most passes are thrown from the pocket. Fouts never played with a number one defense either. That's half the game being dominated.

The bottom line is this....

Kid comes out of Wisconsin, steps right in and starts winning, he's tying records, he's doing things never seen before, he's winning SB's, he's coming from behind to make another SB, he's winning more games after three seasons than any QB in history. How can anyone criticize that? What more does he need to do?

How can anyone criticize...

Two SB's in first three seasons
Highest passer rating average in first three seasons
Only 300 passer/100 rusher in a game
Most wins by any QB in their first three seasons
Ties rookie TD record

What else does the guy need to do?

Russell Wilson is the best athlete playing the QB position in the NFL, so why not take advantage of that? Why not put....run or pass.....on a defense?

Will never figure out how anyone would not get this.

I challenge anyone to find another QB who had....

more wins
better comp%
better TD/INT ratio
better passer rating
more yard rushing

after three seasons than Russell Wilson. Go ahead check out Marino/Montana/Peyton/Brady...whoever. Go ahead prove my point for me. Look at Rodgers, Farve after three seasons. Bring in Andrew "INT" Luck.

I'm guessing most the critics here had no idea who Russell Wilson was coming out of college, try the all time NCAA passing efficency leader. A 4.5 40 guy. Then when... I.... starting praising him. this old.....AVANTE MUST ALWAYS BE WRONG ....ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which isn't working too good is it, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

With all the reversals we see due to instant replay, just think of all those games that would have had a different outcome back before instant replay.....hmmmmmm?

The worst non call I've seen during the instant replay era was in that Texas vs USC title game. Vince Young is going to the ground, with his knee on the ground he throws a td pass. The TV guys "that will no doubt be over turned"...then it was showed many times, it was never even looked at...touchdown! Amazing.

[Avante]

That Colt team that lost to Joe Namath had...

RB's...Tom Matte, Jerry Hill
WR's...Ray Berry, Jimmy Orr

All white and slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[Avante]

King of their division from an historical perspective.

Niners
Packers
Cowboys
Saints
Broncos or Raiders?
Steelers
Patriots
Colts

deserve mention...

Those Otto Graham Browns teams
50's Lions teams
That undefeated Dolphins team
85 Bears

[Avante]

It's funny watching any of those ESPN/NFLNetwork guys talk about how Russell Wilson is now among the elite, a unique talent, the modern day Fran Tarkenton, a legend in the making. Bill Belichick comparing him to Roger Staubach and then a guy like myself (who saw Staubach play at Navy) who has far far more experience at this than anyone here saying he's great. Then to read a bunch of dummies......................sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is it because he's what? Black? Short? Wisconsin QB? Runs too much? Doesn't need to throw all over the place? What exactly is it?

Only a blind man or a total fool wouldn't see this guys greatness.

[Avante]

Will we ever see another speedy/quick/elusive white running back drafted in the first round?

[Avante]

When the Boston Patriots first came into existance in the old AFL their first QB was a cat who was working as a probation officer, a former CFL player named...Ed "Butch" Songin. He sucked, so in 1961 they traded (Raiders)for Babe Parilli out of Kentucky, he was a good QB, they also moved db Gino Cappelletti to receiver. Parilli to Cappelletti was the first potent Italian passing duo in pro football history. Their first stud linebacker....Nick Buonconti.

See, ya learned something.

[Avante]

Hard to believe but 100% true.

A wide receiver blind in one eye...Wesley Walker Jets
A 137 pound kick returner....Gerald McNeil Oilers
A 5-4 "stud" running back....Buddy Young Colts
Gale Sayers having a brother faster than he was
John Riggins winning the Kansas State 100yd in 9.8.
When Bob Hayes was wowing everyone with his WR speed, there were two others in the league who had beaten him....who?

[pgardn]

Avante has never heard of hand timers...

How long does it take the avg human being to hear a noise and THEN press a button?
Try this trick:

fold a hundy in half lengthwise
Make sure its new and crisp.
Hold the hundy lengthwise barely above the opened fore finger and thumb of a contestant wishing to lose a hundy.
Give the contestant about an inch of distance between the thumb and forefinger.
Drop the hundy.
The contestant should not be able to pinch the hundy, no human should unless they jump the gun early, the hundy will fall thru before the pinch.

If you can pinch the bill, you have cheated.
It will be really obvious if you get said contestant drunk, like Avante on the prowl for underage Asian girls.

[Avante]

Avante has never heard of hand timers...

How long does it take the avg human being to hear a noise and THEN press a button?
Try this trick:

fold a hundy in half lengthwise
Make sure its new and crisp.
Hold the hundy lengthwise barely above the opened fore finger and thumb of a contestant wishing to lose a hundy.
Give the contestant about an inch of distance between the thumb and forefinger.
Drop the hundy.
The contestant should not be able to pinch the hundy, no human should unless they jump the gun early, the hundy will fall thru before the pinch.

If you can pinch the bill, you have cheated.
It will be really obvious if you get said contestant drunk, like Avante on the prowl for underage Asian girls.

While a junior at Baker High School in Florida, sprinter Houston McTear runs a sizzlin' 9.2 at the Florida State Track & Field Championships. I was at a big meet in Fresno when the PA announcer chimed in with that. The WR being 9.0 held by Ivory Crockett out of Southern Illinois. Later that night...."this just in from the Florida State Track & Field Championships, Baker High Schools Houston McTear has just ran a....(long pause).....NINE FLAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The crowd went bonkers with...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Little man you'd be funny if ya weren't so stupid. I ran the sprints in the 60's, now think moron.

[pgardn]

While a junior at Baker High School in Florida, sprinter Houston McTear runs a sizzlin' 9.2 at the Florida State Track & Field Championships. I was at a big meet in Fresno when the PA announcer chimed in with that. The WR being 9.0 held by Ivory Crockett out of Southern Illinois. Later that night...."this just in from the Florida State Track & Field Championships, Baker High Schools Houston McTear has just ran a....(long pause).....NINE FLAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The crowd went bonkers with...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Little man you'd be funny if ya weren't so stupid. I ran the sprints in the 60's, now think moron.

So how long?
How long does it take to hear that sound and then press that start button?
Lets assume the said timer is 100 yards away at the finish line?

Being that you are so interested in the accuracy of fast times at distance.

[Avante]

So how long?
How long does it take to hear that sound and then press that start button?
Lets assume the said timer is 100 yards away at the finish line?

Being that you are so interested in the accuracy of fast times at distance.

Where on earth did you get this idea timers went with the sound of the gun? THEY WENT WITH THE SMOKE...ok?

Fucking rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

Read..

Someone standing on the finish line, 100m away, won't hear the gun until 0.303 seconds after the start. He might see a puff of smoke from the starter's pistol just 0.270 seconds after the gun. Hand-timers were trained to react to the smoke signal.

[pgardn]

Where on earth did you get this idea timers went with the sound of the gun? THEY WENT WITH THE SMOKE...ok?

Fucking rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

Read..

Someone standing on the finish line, 100m away, won't hear the gun until 0.303 seconds after the start. He might see a puff of smoke from the starter's pistol just 0.270 seconds after the gun. Hand-timers were trained to react to the smoke signal.

Smoke.

You are Frkn old.
So the 0.27 second was added? To the final time?

[pgardn]

And of course this all varies a great deal, especially with the SOUND that is used in today's HS track meets.

[Avante]

Smoke.

You are Frkn old.
So the 0.27 second was added? To the final time?

I'll go slow...

Hand timing was dumped in 1976 as was running yards. Post 1976 it's been about meters and electro timing, and you add 0.24 not 0.27....ok?

But....

It's real had to beleive that Jesse Owens who ran a 10.2 was just a 10.44 guy. That won't win Cali State HS today.

And yes back in those hand timed days it was all about the smoke from the gun not the sound.

[Avante]

This will be the third Superbowl the Seahawks have played in, as we know they aren't one of those old/long time NFL franchises. So here they are looking to win another Championship Belt while the Lions/Browns have never played in a SB despite how long they've been around, it just isn't right.

[Avante]

Imagine a black kid who was raised by just his mom. They struggled trying to make it because dad was...poof! But because the kid can run he gets a scholarship to college. While he might get a little under the the table $$$$ it's nothing like his first NFL contract.

Like most here I started out making a little then as the years went by.....

Imagine...BOOM!!!!!!!!!...big $$$$$$.

No wonder we see what we do from these young black guys. Talk about a life changing in a matter of minutes, there it is.

[Avante]

I do get a kick out of all this.....Russell Wilson is a so so talent on a great team........hahahaha!!!!!!!!

Bart Starr was on a better team, yet....Hall of Fame. Terry Bradshaw was on a better team....Hall of Fame. Joe Namath only had one great season....Hall of Fame.

Russell Wilson is histories most successful QB after three seasons. And he doesn't have the leagues best RB, he does have a great defense but no receivers.

So how come playing on great teams didn't hurt Starr or Bradshaw when it came time for HOF voting?

Marshawn Lynch has averaged 79.1 yards a game as a Seahawk. Shaun Alexander averaged 79.2. Curt Warner...72.1. So Lynch isn't doing a whole hell of a lot that hadn't already been done there. Hell, Chris Warren had 4 1000 yard seasons in a row where he averaged around 75 yards a game.

In his first three seasons STRUGGLE Aikman threw 46 INt's and only 31 TD's. hahahaha!!!!!!!! And Aikman had the all time rushing king Emmitt Smith, a HOF receiver, a great TE, a stud fullback and a monster O line. So why is he doing in the HOF?

How many seasons did Peyton Manning have...Harrison, Wayne, Clark and James?

[Avante]

Dan Marino at Pitt

79tds/69ints
Passer rating...127.7

Russell Wilson at North Carolina/Wisconsin

109tds/30ints
Passer rating...147.2...the highest in NCAA history

Russell Wilson vs Marcus Mariota senior seasons

RW

Comp % 72.8
td/int....33/4
passer rating...191.8

MM

Comp%...68.3
td/int...42/4
passer rating...181.7

[Avante]

I keep waiting for someone to show me any QB who had a better first three seasons than Russell Wlson.

Games started
Completion %
TD/INT ratio
Rushing
Wins
Passer rating

So who had a better first three seasons, well?

Joe Montana? Dan Marino? Peyton Manning? Aaron Rodgers? Johnny Unitas? Andrew Luck? Tom Brady? Brett Favre? Otto Graham? John Elway? Warren Moon in Canada?

Who?

[NFO]

I'm not saying better than Russel Wilson, but Kurt Warner's first three seasons in the NFL were pretty good. Okay, well his first was backup duty, but the next 2 seasons were pretty good and the 4th was pretty good as well.

Surprised you didn't mention him in your list of names.

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I'm not saying better than Russel Wilson, but Kurt Warner's first three seasons in the NFL were pretty good. Okay, well his first was backup duty, but the next 2 seasons were pretty good and the 4th was pretty good as well.

Surprised you didn't mention him in your list of names.


Warner only played in 24 games in his first three seasons, that won't work.

What seems to get lost in all this is how RW walked right in and took over. How many QB's have done that? The great Johnny Unitas was cut. How many great QB's had a rookie season like RW, and then in his next two...SUPERBOWLS.

Wilson walked right in and took a 7-9 team to a playoff win in season one, in season two..SUPERBOWL WIN! in season three ANOTHER SUPERBOWL.Who compares to that? In three seasons...6..playoff wins.....so far. RW has never lost to any SB winning QB, he's....10-0.

No QB in history has won more games in their first three seasons. What is the bottom line....WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Warner only played in 24 games in his first three seasons, that won't work.

What seems to get lost in all this is how RW walked right in and took over. How many QB's have done that? The great Johnny Unitas was cut. How many great QB's had a rookie season like RW, and then in his next two...SUPERBOWLS.

Wilson walked right in and took a 7-9 team to a playoff win in season one, in season two..SUPERBOWL WIN! in season three ANOTHER SUPERBOWL.Who compares to that? In three seasons...6..playoff wins.....so far.

Rodgers only played in 7 games his first three seasons in the NFL, but is comparable to Wilson but Warner is not despite playing more than 3x as many games.

Not saying Warner had a better 3 year start than Wilson, but to not include him in the list of comparables by your logic then say he isn't comparable by a different logic for which you contradict yourself is asinine. I guess that is right on par for you though.

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Rodgers only played in 7 games his first three seasons in the NFL, but is comparable to Wilson but Warner is not despite playing more than 3x as many games.

Not saying Warner had a better 3 year start than Wilson, but to not include him in the list of comparables by your logic then say he isn't comparable by a different logic for which you contradict yourself is asinine. I guess that is right on par for you though.

Everyone I listed either plays today or is in the top 10 stat wise, or is in the Hall of Fame, that leaves Kurt Warner out.

And.....that wasn't meant to be every QB who ever played. Honest!

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In his first three seasons Joe Namath threw....70....INTs. He never completed more than 57% of his passes or had a passer rarting higher than....74.0. That's terrible!

How about the great Roger Staubach?

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Everyone I listed either plays today or is in the top 10 stat wise, or is in the Hall of Fame, that leaves Kurt Warner out.

And.....that wasn't meant to be every QB who ever played. Honest!

Warner did not play long enough in the league to rack up top stats, is not eligible for the hall of fame until this August.

Besides, I thought you were only comparing the first 3 years, in one of which Warner was the MVP of the league, something that Wilson does not have (albeit he won the SB, unlike Warner).

Either you are comparing the first 3 years in the league or you aren't.

This is worse than having a conversation with a woman. The requirements chnage based upon how you see fit. AKA loser speak.

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Warner did not play long enough in the league to rack up top stats, is not eligible for the hall of fame until this August.

Besides, I thought you were only comparing the first 3 years, in one of which Warner was the MVP of the league, something that Wilson does not have (albeit he won the SB, unlike Warner).

Either you are comparing the first 3 years in the league or you aren't.

This is worse than having a conversation with a woman. The requirements chnage based upon how you see fit. AKA loser speak.

Why did you totally ignore what I just said? Is Warner playing today.,...nope! Did he have the stats...nope! Is he in the HOF....nope! Are all those others one of those...YEP!

Dude, are you really as dumb as you appear?