***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

Forget the above mentioned Roger Staubach, his first three years were a joke.

Still looking for a QB who had a better first three years.

[NFO]

why is he doing in the HOF?

Okay, you mock the HOF, but discredit Warner becuase he is not in it, despite the FACT that he is not eligible until August.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.



I keep waiting for someone to show me any QB who had a better first three seasons than Russell Wlson.

Games started
Completion %
TD/INT ratio
Rushing
Wins
Passer rating

So who had a better first three seasons, well?

Joe Montana? Dan Marino? Peyton Manning? Aaron Rodgers? Johnny Unitas? Andrew Luck? Tom Brady? Brett Favre? Otto Graham? John Elway? Warren Moon in Canada?

Who?

Orignial question specifies who had a better first three years than Wilson. No other requirements.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.



Why did you totally ignore what I just said? Is Warner playing today.,...nope! Did he have the stats...nope! Is he in the HOF....nope! Are all those others one of those...YEP!

Dude, are you really as dumb as you appear?

Correct Warner is not playing today (1/1). He did have the stats in the first 3 years, which is what you are trying to compare (1/2). Warner is not in the HOF true, but that is becuase he is not eligible (1/3)

Batting .3333333. Not good.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.




Still looking for a QB who had a better first three years.

Gave you one to compare, yet you won't do it as you keep changing criteria. Pretty lazy if you ask me.

Chalk that up to Avante being asinine.

[Avante]

Are you simply retarded?

[NFO]

Are you simply retarded?

I'd ask you the same question, but I already know the answer (yes).

[Avante]

I'd ask you the same question, but I already know the answer (yes).

Poor little kid.

[NFO]

Whatever you have to tell yourself old man to make yourself feel better.

Just rekindle those thoughts when you allegedly ran 10.2 back in the day that no one asked about, but you failed the need to mention. That is all you got old man.

[Avante]

Whatever you have to tell yourself old man to make yourself feel better.

Just rekindle those thoughts when you allegedly ran 10.2 back in the day that no one asked about, but you failed the need to mention. That is all you got old man.

I;m not the one following you around little man, it's pretty obvious I have you hooked. Yep.....you're mine.

Here you are again just that easy. And you will follow me around from here on out, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OWNED!

[NFO]

Ha, ha

That is why I put a lame line out there a few days ago and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

I called your exact response to one of my posts. You are like one of Pavlov's Dogs to me. I do one thing and I know your next move.

Like taking candy from a baby, and in this case like an extremely old, bitter old man with no life.

I attempted to engage you in a conversation on RW & KW and you FAILED.

[Avante]

Sad to watch isn't it, poor little faggot. Yep.....OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NFO]

Whatever makes you feel better old man.

[Pelicans78]

NFO is right. Warner was superior in his first 3 seasons compared to RW.

[Avante]

NFO is right. Warner was superior in his first 3 seasons compared to RW.


Not even in the same ball park. Show me what you are looking at.

[spurraider21]

Not even in the same ball park. Show me what you are looking at.
i think they aren't including his first season when he didnt get on the field

[spurraider21]

PASSING STATS



SEASON
TEAM
GP
CMP
ATT
CMP%
YDS
AVG
TD
LNG
INT
FUM
QBR
RAT


1998



STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis------------rams-----------)


1
4
11
36.4
39
3.55
0
21
0
0
--
47.2


1999



STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis------------rams-----------)


16
325
499
65.1
4,353
8.72
41
75
13
7
--
109.2


2000



STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis-rams)


11
235
347
67.7
3,429
9.88
21
85
18
2
--
98.3


2001



STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis-rams)


16
375
546
68.7
4,830
8.85
36
65
22
7
--
101.4

[Avante]

i think they aren't including his first season when he didnt get on the field

Russell Wilson went straight from college ball to starting 16 games as a rookie, that was not Kurt Warner.

[Avante]

PASSING STATS




SEASON

TEAM

GP

CMP

ATT

CMP%

YDS

AVG

TD

LNG

INT

FUM

QBR

RAT



1998




STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis------------rams-----------)


1

4

11

36.4

39

3.55


21



--

47.2



1999




STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis------------rams-----------)


16

325

499

65.1

4,353

8.72

41

75

13

7

--

109.2



2000




STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis-rams)


11

235

347

67.7

3,429

9.88

21

85

18

2

--

98.3



2001




STL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st.-louis-rams)


16

375

546

68.7

4,830

8.85

36

65

22

7

--

101.4





Warner played in 28 games his first three seasons, RW played in almost twice as many.

[spurraider21]

again, they aren't including 1998 since he didnt really get an opportunity to play.

he played 43 games in his first 3 years of getting playing time

[Avante]

I;m looking for a QB who stepped off the NCAA playing fields to starting 16 games as a rookie in the NFL. A guy who went straight to the playoffs his first three seasons. Someone who did things never seen before by any other pro QB.

That's Russell Wilson, now who compares with him?

[Avante]

again, they aren't including 1998 since he didnt really get an opportunity to play.

he played 43 games in his first 3 years of getting playing time

I'm not talking about what a guy did in his first 4 seasons....obviously. Hell, for all we know RW could win this SB and another one next season, giving him three SB wins in 4 seasons.

When it comes to the first... three... seasons no other QB compares to RW. The fact he stepped right in as a rookie has a lot to do with this.

[spurraider21]

i get you. i'm explaining where they're coming from and why there seems to be a misunderstanding

[Avante]

i get you. i'm explaining where they're coming from and why there seems to be a misunderstanding

The thing about Wilson is how he didn't need to sit behind a vet and learn the system. He didn't need a season to get into things. For him to step right in tie the td record and come within 3 points of going to the Conference title game......pretty impressive. How anyone can misunderstand....first three seasons.....????????????

RW is not on a par with Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, he's without question on a lesser level..BUT...his start to his career FAR superior to theirs and everyone else.

The winninest QB we have ever seen after three seasons. 10-0 vs SB winning QB's. Two SB's. Nobody compares to that.

[NFO]

Russell Wilson went straight from college ball to starting 16 games as a rookie, that was not Kurt Warner.

Warner went from packing groceries to playing NFL QB. One may argue that is even more impressive.



Warner played in 28 games his first three seasons, RW played in almost twice as many.

So did Cam Newtown, Andy Dalton, Tim Couch, etc... What the fuck is your point????

Just because you sit the first year doesn't mean your 2nd and 3rd years were not enough to vault you into a particular conversation.



The winninest QB we have ever seen after three seasons. 10-0 vs SB winning QB's. Two SB's. Nobody compares to that.

If the Seahawks don't get to the SB next year RW will have as many SB appearances as KW to start a career, and KW will still have a SB MVP trophy where as RW will likely not.

[Avante]

Yep, I should have mentioned Kurt Warner, how I forgot about him.....DUH!!!!!!!!!! Forget the fact all those I did mention are either current players or Hall of Fame players and Warner would be neither. I should have made him the exception, he was bagging groceries, that right there should have made the difference.

[Avante]

What makes Russell Wilson special is how he started from day one. He didn't sit and wait like...Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Brett Favre. He stepped in and has started every game the Seahawks have played since they drafted him. How many other QB did that?

Then.....you add the success he's had, the things he's done nobody else ever has.

So ya take his success, all those firsts, and the fact he stepped right in and took over and how anyone who understands the game doesn't see just how special he is....???????????????????

If he does win Sunday that will add one more first to his resume. As of right now his first ...three....seasons are the greatest first...three...seasons we have ever seen by any pro football QB.

[NFO]

You are aware KW is not HOF eligible right?

You probably weren't. Well now you know and knowing is half the battle.

[Avante]

You are aware KW is not HOF eligible right?

You probably weren't. Well now you know and knowing is half the battle.

You do know he's in the running this year...right?

Dude, there is nothing about the game I don't know, ok?

[Avante]

Marhawn Lynch is from Oakland. So what other stud running backs came from Cali high schools?

*** Hall of Fame

O.J.Simpson*** Heisman (saw him run track when he was at San Francisco City College. While at USC he ran a leg on a world record 4x1 team)
Sam "Bam" Cunningham.....Pats all time leading rusher
Marcus Allen*** Heisman
Ricky Williams....Heisman
Arian Foster
Terrell Davis
Reggie Bush....Heisman
Hugh "The King" McElhenny*** state hurdles champ
Dick Bass (my cousin Eva Dean married the other running back on that Vallejo team Bass starred on, I started out in Vallejo)
Lorenzo Neal (saw him wrestle while at Lemoore HS. Worked with his uncle Willie who ran track with Tommie Smith)
Ryan Matthews (played the wildcat while at West Bakersfield)
Rashan Salaam....Heisman
Maurice Jones Drew
Wendell Tyler
John Henry Johnson ***
Paul Lowe (first 1000 yd rusher for the Chargers)
Ollie Matson*** (Olympic 4x4 silver medalist)
DeAnthony Thomas
Charles White...Heisman....state hurdles champ
Mike Garrett....Heisman
Napolean Kaufman....state 100m champ
Justin Fargas...state 100m champ (yes, I know)
Frank Gifford ***
"Jaguar" Jon Arnet
Johnny Johnson
Darrin Nelson
Keith Lincoln.........this guy was the fullback when Paul Lowe was the tailback with the Chargers. He was...unique. He'd score....

running
receiving
passing
PAT
field goal
punt return
kickoff return

If not for Paul Lowe (vice versa) he's in the HOF. As good a backfield duo we'd seen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWN5nrTOBFw

[Avante]

So what junior college had two HOF running backs come from there?

[Avante]

I listed all those backs who played at Cali HS's, but the one left off gained more HS yards than any of them......Dominique Dorsey, out of Tulare Union. He was on a whole other level of quicks, amazing elusiveness. You were constantly..."did I really see that?" He'd get lost in the line, then.......there he goes.

Dorsey was a litte guy, around 180 pounds or so. That's why he ended up at UNLV. He would get an NFL look as a kick return guy with the Redskins, nope! So he ended up in the CFL, in his very first game...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTv_oE-3fls

[Avante]

How much do we put into ....supporting cast....when it comes to judging QB's?

[NFO]

It is a factor.

If you put a great QB on a team with a bad O-Line, few play makers and a below average defense chances are the QB will not do as well as being on a team with an above avergae defense and above average skill players.

Similarily if you put a below average QB on a team with an above avergae defense and above average skill players chances are he should show some improved statistics.

While supporting casts are important they alone are not the sole factor for judging a QB.

[Avante]

I'd have Turpin returning kickoffs not Baldwin.

What a shame Tate is no longer there.

[Avante]

The public is taking the Pats minus the 1

The sharpes/wise guys/pros are taking the point and Seattle.

In their last five SB's the Pats haven't scored a point in the first half. Add that to the Seahawks being a running team and the under looks strong.

[Avante]

Ok, I'm heading up to the hills now, a weekend of Poker (like football betting an expert) Gin & Tonic and the Superbowl. I'll be surrounded by some serious gamblers, mostly Niner/Raider fans. A great time will be had by all.

I don't like the line, nobody does. You are being asked to pick the winner not play a "spot". I can't buck Belichick/Brady in a big game. I want RW to win another one so I can...see see what did I tell you. So I'm stuck.

That gang in the hills are liking the under, and there are trends that back that play. I might go that way but I don't know yet.

So I'll wrap it up "here" at 66-49 plus $2100 (and some change)

Those who watched me come from 330 down watched a master at work, hitting on all but one big play. Going 66-46 after that shitty week one. Hopefully you learned how to look for "spots" where all the stars are in alignment for one side.

Anyone talking about..."that historically stuff doesn't work"....shouldn't be doing this, all I play are strong stats/trends/spots" based on just that. As we saw they most certainly work.

I won't be winning a couple grand for you guys next season, I don't like doing this for free. But it was funny watching....."damn, he's just what he said he was...shit!!!!'.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See ya Wednesday.

Some traveling music.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls7unxVDPzU&playnext=1&list=PL5BA2B1384E34 6DEA&feature=results_video

[cantthinkofanything]

^ STRANGER DANGER

[Avante]

I like to look at things from an historical perspective.

Nobody in the history of pro football has combined....wins/playoff success/durabilty/comp %/passer rating/rushing....combined better than Russel Wilson at the same stage of a career. What an amazing QB this guy is and he's only 26 years old.

To even be in two SB's before 27, very very impressive. If he can get a couple receivers, the sky is the limit.

Anyone still think RGIII/Andrew Luck are better?

[Avante]

The QB position

Rams....Nick Foles? Unsetttled
Cards.....how old is Palmer
Niners...too caught up in being a celeb
Seahawks...two time SB QB, young!
Packers..HOFer to be
Lions...solid.
Vikes...coming on
Bears...head case
Panthers....weird!
Falcons...elite
Buc'....Help!
Saints...age setting in? (HOF)
Cowboys...elite
Giants...???
Eagles....Sanchez is not the answer
Redskins...RGIII is shell shocked
Raiders....up and comer
Chiefs...middle of the pack
Chargers...elite
Bronco...???
Pats...Canton bound
Dolphins....jury still out
Bills...a black QB in the cold, nay!
Jets...Total???
Steelers...HOFer
Ravens...elite
Bengals...too inconistant
Browns....help!
Colts...elite
Texans...JJ Watt???
Jags/Titans.....who cares?

[Avante]

A few years ago I mention....keep an eye on Russell Wilson, he's going to be special.....this was before he was even drafted. I had no way of knowing where he'd end up. I also said RGIII would suck. And while Andrew Luck was good, he was no Russell Wilson. Keep in mind I had no way of knowing where they were headed for sure.

So here we are three years later.

RGIII is a fucking joke
Andrew Luck is playing in pro bowls
Russell Wilson is coming with in a foot of being a two time SB champ

Being Avante is cool~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Never had more fun than...

Damn, look at all that $$$$ he is winning.

and...

YIPPEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Russell Wilson didn;t win ANOTHER Superbowl.

...on the internet.

Everything is just like I said it would be. I am a betting expert(as I proved) and RW is a great QB, as he's proved.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little people, I'm the guy who can talk...."Famous" Amos Lawrence, I.M.Hipp, Elvis Peacock, "Thunder" Thornton, "Cannonball" Butler, hell....FAIR HOOKER!....ok? Yep, a whole other level, and it's fucking funny watching you...Elvis Peacock???????

[Clipper Nation]

The thing about Wilson is how he didn't need to sit behind a vet and learn the system. He didn't need a season to get into things.

Mainly because the "system" is handing it off to Lynch 90% of the time with the occasional scramble or rollout play to change things up, and he got to play on a stacked team immediately. Doesn't exactly take a genius QB to get that down pat.

[Avante]

Mainly because the "system" is handing it off to Lynch 90% of the time with the occasional scramble or rollout play to change things up, and he got to play on a stacked team immediately. Doesn't exactly take a genius QB to get that down pat.

Why continue to ignore the fact he took over a 7-9 team?

Did you see the SB replay on the NFL Network tonight? When I saw the game Sunday I was at a party, you know how that goes. After "really" watching it tonight, what in the fuck are you looking at?


How did you miss.......

Russell Wilson is something special

They can't lay a hand on him

He throws a great deep ball

Russell Wilson is really putting on a show

What are you blind and.......... deaf?

And.....Kearse drops a pass right in his hands. There is a tripping pass interference where the pass was right on the money, as was everything he threw except for his first pass.

Dude, what game were you watching anyway?

CN, I've always known you're not too bright but damn guy you're actually a fucking moron. You're soooooo wrapped up in.....that damn Avante, yes he's an expert gambler as we saw, yep, he nailed Russell Wison, oh wait a minute...WILSON THREW A PICK, YIPEEEEEEEEEEEE......where's Avante, I 'll show him......hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little man, been at this stuff since around 1959, ok? Yep, ya pick up a few things.....honest! You're just a dumb kid who has problems, and it's comical to watch how ya act. Now think stupid, what if RW wins another SB next season, just how dumb-er can you look?

When I was bragging on him prior to the draft I had no idea he'd be doing what he's doing this early, he's better than I thought he'd be. Keep in mind.....I didn't know who would draft him.

[Clipper Nation]

Why continue to ignore the fact he took over a 7-9 team?
Why continue to ignore the fact that 7-9 is a lot better than the situations most rookie starting QB's are thrust into?


How did you miss.......

Russell Wilson is something special

They can't lay a hand on him

He throws a great deep ball

Russell Wilson is really putting on a show
How did you miss....

Struggle didn't even complete a pass until the second quarter

Struggle's stats in the fourth quarter: 3-8, 0 TD, 1 INT, 5.1 QBR

Struggle played like an absolute scrub for half the game and got bailed out by miracle plays from his receivers and the Patriots shooting themselves in the foot a few times

Brady completed more passes in the fourth quarter alone than Struggle completed all game

Struggle threw the most costly interception in history

[Avante]

Why continue to ignore the fact that 7-9 is a lot better than the situations most rookie starting QB's are thrust into?


How did you miss....

Struggle didn't even complete a pass until the second quarter

Struggle's stats in the fourth quarter: 3-8, 0 TD, 1 INT, 5.1 QBR

Struggle played like an absolute scrub for half the game and got bailed out by miracle plays from his receivers and the Patriots shooting themselves in the foot a few times

Brady completed more passes in the fourth quarter alone than Struggle completed all game

Struggle threw the most costly interception in history

You also missed.....

Nobody can get open

as they proceeded to show how covered everyone was.

Little man, the guy has the worst set of receivers on a good team in the league and you know this. So why act retarded? So what do you think when you hear me (tons of experience) and all those tv talk guys raving about Russell Wilson, what....you know better? Trust me little man, you don't!

You saw the drops, the non pass interference, right? You saw the Seahawks on the one....foot....line, RW staring at another SB win before 27 years old. Are you really so fucking dumb you don't get any of that?

You are watching the best three year QB in the history of the league and you're too fucking stupid to appreciate it. Shorty, let this...I gotta bug Avante, he knows too much.....go, ok. It's like a gnat around a rhino's asshole, just a pest.

Nobody should be this fucking dumb, it should be illegal.

[Clipper Nation]

You also missed.....

Nobody can get open
You also missed.....

Wilson isn't good enough to "throw receivers open" like elite pocket passers can do


You saw the Seahawks on the one....foot....line, RW staring at another SB win before 27 years old.
Also saw him gag it away with the costliest interception ever.

[Avante]

You also missed.....

Wilson isn't good enough to "throw receivers open" like elite pocket passers can do


Also saw him gag it away with the costliest interception ever.

RW's three year passing stats are superior to every QB who ever played in the league. As were his NCAA numbers. I think the guy can throw a football, ya reckon?

Midget....two Superbowls in his first three seasons and I had no idea he would end up in Seattle. So how did I know he'd be special...well?

[Avante]

Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers.
Tom Brady sat on the bench.
Terry Bradshaw was in and out trading off with Tery Hanratty
Aaron Rodgers lived on the bench
Brett Favre/Drew Brees had more INT's than TD's in three seasons.
Peyton Manning had more INT's than TD's as a rookie.
Russell Wilson, most winningest QB in history after three seasons.

[Avante]

This is fun, ha~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shortest QB to ever win a SB...Russell Wilson
Only black QB to play in two SB's....Russell Wilson
Only 300 passer/100 yd rusher in a game...Russell Wilson
Only black QB to hold a rookie record...Russell Wilson
Only QB of a bird team to win a SB....Russell Wilson (no Eagles, Cards, Falcons)
Only third year QB too come with in a foot of winning two SB's....Russell Wilson
Only Wisconsin QB to win a SB...Russell Wilson
Only under 6 foot, black, Big10 QB to win a SB....Russell Wilson
Only QB with not one drafted receiver to come with in a foot of winning another SB.....Russell Wilson
Only QB to go 10-1 vs SB winning QB's...Russell Wilson
Highest passer rating after three seasons....Russell Wilson
Only black QB everyone is talking about....Russell Wilson

[Avante]

Just think another first/number one for Russell Wilson, he played in the most watched SB in history. The firsts/best/number one.... just keep piling up.

Hell, just think there are little kids just getting into the game who think Russell Wilson always plays in SB's, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

The thing with white receivers is they just don't have that size with speed combo. We have never seen a Randy Moss, Otis Taylor, Terrell Owens, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall type white receiver.

Alworth had speed but wasn't big, so it's guys like Largent with great routes/hands or guys like Welker, quick out of cuts. We never see that 6-4 speed burner.

[Avante]

This seems to have been ignored....

From the SB thread....


To expect a third year QB to beat Belichick/Brady in ...THE BIG GAME...is simply not realistic. Look at the difference there in big game experience, it's overwelming in favor of NE. Now add a banged up Sherman/Thomas and all those stupid penalties.

I will be playing $$$$$$ the Pats in this "spot".


I did have the Pats but decided to not call it in, I did that root for one team and play another in the NCAA title game, it sucked!

[Aztecfan03]

This seems to have been ignored....

From the SB thread....


To expect a third year QB to beat Belichick/Brady in ...THE BIG GAME...is simply not realistic. Look at the difference there in big game experience, it's overwelming in favor of NE. Now add a banged up Sherman/Thomas and all those stupid penalties.

I will be playing $$$$$$ the Pats in this "spot".


I did have the Pats but decided to not call it in, I did that root for one team and play another in the NCAA title game, it sucked!

But ZOMG. He's like the best like third year QB of like all-time.

[Avante]

But ZOMG. He's like the best like third year QB of like all-time.

I'll go slow...


Kid wins Texas state in 10.32, which is a great time for a high school kid. All those Big12 teams want him, so he ends up at TCU (the best sprint school in Texas) there he has a great career, winning the NCAA twice, he leaves TCU will a 10.06 PR. Next stop the HSI and pro track.

While a 10.06 is a solid time, the pros are running 9.75. These guys are 27-30 not 22, and at 22 they were also around 10.06.

Let me guess, ya don't get it.

RW has done things never seen before for somebody with his lack of experience. His first three seasns have been the best we have ever seen..but...we can't compare him or any other third year QB to seasoned vets like Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees. But what we can do is look at where RW is at the same stage of careers, if we do that RW is ahead of everyone.

When we see the dummies running the guy down that just shows how much they don't understand about the game. Yep, ignorant!

[Aztecfan03]

Eli Manning beat an in his prime seasoned vet Brady in his 4th year. But it's not realistic for the best 3rd-year QB ever to beat an aging seasoned vet Brady?

also Wilson beating seasoned vet Peyton last year...

[Avante]

Eli Manning beat an in his prime seasoned vet Brady in his 4th year. But it's not realistic for the best 3rd-year QB ever to beat an aging seasoned vet Brady?

First off it took Eli four years not three and lets not get silly, it took a couple.."are you kidding me?" ..throws.

Go ahead take a few minutes and Google Eli vs RW career stats, check out those first three seasons. First off RW hasn't missed a game since he'd been there. He never sat behind some vet, he simply took off and won more games than anyone in history.

[Aztecfan03]

First off it took Eli four years not three and lets not get silly, it took a couple.."are you kidding me?" ..throws.

Go ahead take a few minutes and Google Eli vs RW career stats, check out those first three seasons. First off RW hasn't missed a game since he'd been there. He never sat behind some vet, he simply took off and won more games than anyone in history.

I said 4 years. And that fact that Eli sucks is part of my point.

[Avante]

I said 4 years. And that fact that Eli sucks is part of my point.

I'm not one of those who totally ignores perspective like the rookies we see here.

Everyone has forgotten about the Arizona Cardinals. If Palmer and their back don't go down they would have been the NFC team to beat, not the Seahawks. And I don't act stupid over .."a"...play. I look at how things really are. The Seahawks run Lynch RW is histories only two time winning QB in his first three seasons. And at his age, he will be back.

Hell no Eli Manning doesn't suck, you don't do what he;s done and suck. Dude....BODY OF WORK...ok?

Mike Tyson is one of tHe fight games legends, a Hall of Famer, Buster Douglas ain't shit, but who won when they fought?

BODY OF WORK!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

First off it took Eli four years not three and lets not get silly, it took a couple.."are you kidding me?" ..throws.

Meanwhile, Struggle makes "are you kidding me?" throws for all the wrong reasons. For example: "Are you kidding me? He can't even complete a one-yard pass with the championship on the line?" :lmao

[Avante]

Meanwhile, Struggle makes "are you kidding me?" throws for all the wrong reasons. For example: "Are you kidding me? He can't even complete a one-yard pass with the championship on the line?" :lmao

Dude, I had NE winning the game, ok? And, I never thought RW would be as successful as he's been. I'm actually shocked that he's already doing things nobody has done. Your childish..."one yard"...stuff only shows just how stupid you really are. Did you really think I expected him to win two SB's in just three seasons?

Will you ever grow up, any chance of you yanking your pin head out of your ass?

One more time.

Russell Wilson in just three seasons has already won more SB's than...

Chargers
Dan Fouts
Warren Moon
Bills
Philip Rivers
Dan Marino
Sonny Jurgenson
Lions
Browns
Brian Sipe
Andrew Luck
Jim Kelly
Ken Anderson
Mark Brunell
Tony Romo
Bengals
Titans
Colin Kaepernick
RGIII
Vikings
Randall Cunningham
Vinny Testerverde
Boomer Esiason
Jags
Falcons
Fran Tarkenton
Johnny Unitas
Jim Zorn
Alex Smith
Eagles
Donovan McNabb
Ron Jaworski

Hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, I had NE winning the game, ok?
Like I said at the time, even you weren't willing to pick your so-called "best third-year quarterback ever, elite QB" to win. That says it all.


And, I never thought RW would be as successful as he's been. I'm actually shocked that he's already doing things nobody has done.
:lmao Oh, really? What happened to your old "I predicted Wilson would do great things even before he got drafted" line of bullshit? You finally decided to stop lying about that?

[Avante]

Like I said at the time, even you weren't willing to pick your so-called "best third-year quarterback ever, elite QB" to win. That says it all.


:lmao Oh, really? What happened to your old "I predicted Wilson would do great things even before he got drafted" line of bullshit? You finally decided to stop lying about that?

I'll crawl like a snail........


Russell Wilson is a..................THIRD..................year QB. Let that sink in, ok? You don't seem to get that at all, not that it's a surprise. Right now at this stage of the game he's not ready to beat Belichick/Brady in a big game. But he played a hell of a lot better than Andrew Luck did, he got crushed!

Going even slower.....

I did talk up RW before the draft. we argued about who would be the better rookie, RW/RGIII/Luck, you really don't remember? And.....being high on someone doesn't mean you expect them to win two SB's in just three seasons. Hell no I didn't see that coming, I thought it would take a lot longer to do what he'd doing. Yep, surprised.

Why you can't see just how special this guy is amazes me, even you can't be that bad at judging talent.

Remember how hard you worked at..."you're not a betting expert"...before it hit you that yes I am, well this is no different, me once again taking your dumbass to school.

Add the NE pick...67-49...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just won't count the $$$ because I never made the call.

[Clipper Nation]

It only took three full seasons for Elite Manning to beat Brady and Belichick in a big game, but three seasons isn't enough for Struggle? Keep piling on those excuses, faggot.

You did not talk up Struggle before the draft. You talked up Cousins and Luck. I posted the direct links to both of those threads and you're still trying to lie about it.

[Avante]

It only took three full seasons for Elite Manning to beat Brady and Belichick in a big game, but three seasons isn't enough for Struggle? Keep piling on those excuses, faggot.

You did not talk up Struggle before the draft. You talked up Cousins and Luck. I posted the direct links to both of those threads and you're still trying to lie about it.

Damn you're dumb.

You don't look for exceptions to any rule, you go with %%%%%%%%%% ok stupid? Chances are a third year QB in his second SB is at a disadvantage vs Belichick/Brady. To....well Eli threw two of the most unlikely receptions ever gives RW the edge, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If stupid were illegal, you'd be doing life.

Faggot, we had a huge debate right here about which of the big three (as we called them) would be the best rookie QB. A 19 year old with memory loss????

[Avante]

What does happen to RGIII? I can't believe guys who get paid the big $$$$$ couldn't figure out.....

At Baylor it was "will he run ot pass" so those college defenders were guessing.Without the threat of te run he ain't shit as we saw. I knew that before he ever took a pro snap. I wouldn't be surprised that by 2017, he's out of football.

[Avante]

I think I'll start taking them down one by one.

Keep in mind no QB has started/won more game in their first three seasons than RW.

Eli Manning vs RW

Comp %

Eli

48.2
52.8
57.7

RW

64.1
63.1
another 63.1

Yep...RW rulz

TD's

Eli 54
RW 72

INT's

Eli 44
RW 26

Yep, RW rulz

Passer rating

Eli

55.4
75.9
77.0

RW

100.0
101.2
95.0
(that is the best it gets)

Yep, RW rulz

Wasn't even close.

Go ahead give me another challenger.

[Clipper Nation]

What does happen to RGIII? I can't believe guys who get paid the big $$$$$ couldn't figure out.....

At Baylor it was "will he run ot pass" so those college defenders were guessing.Without the threat of te run he ain't shit as we saw. I knew that before he ever took a pro snap. I wouldn't be surprised that by 2017, he's out of football.

You didn't know jack shit about RG3 before he took a pro snap. In fact, you were riding his dick during his rookie year:


As of right now if this were a fight they'd pull RGIII off Andre Luck, he's killing him. Not even close!


Luck the 31 ranked QB, WAYYYYYYYYYYYY behind RGIII


RGIII... has "star" written all over him only a blind man wouldn't see that.

It's pathetic that you feel the need to keep lying about your takes in order to pretend you're an "NFL expert."

[Avante]

You didn't know jack shit about RG3 before he took a pro snap. In fact, you were riding his dick during his rookie year:







It's pathetic that you feel the need to keep lying about your takes in order to pretend you're an "NFL expert."

I'll go really really slow....


I'm a track fan, remember? You do know that RGIII was a "good" NCAA 400hurdler..right? Little man I was all over RGIII as a freshman at Baylor, so you're wrong yet again.

And if he'd been able to run in the NFL he would be a star. He's too fragile as we are now seeing.

Little man, I told you RW would be special, as you have seen he is. I won over $2100 "here". I took the Pats to win this SB. Can talk about guys nobody here has ever heard of, some in high school right now.

Yep, expert!

What it is is that you don't know shit and it bugs you that I do. Look at how you act, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Funnier than hell watching your faggot ass......"damn, he's good!"......over my $$$$$$ plays, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic is you running everything down all the time, dude what really is your fucking problem? I bet you bitch while fucking. What a miserale little fuck you are, always wahwahwah about something.

[Avante]

You people really do need to start dealing with reality and put things in perspective.

We have a young QB in Russell Wilson who has already done things we've never seen before. What is not to like? Is it because he's black? You do know you do not have to stand tall in the pocket anymore.....right? Are you watching the QB's coming out of the NCAA now?

Russell Wilson is heading towards being a great great QB his potential in unlimited. Don't show your ignorance by acting like a retarded baboon over losing one of two Superbowls, some never even get there.

Never seen so many who know so little about the game as we have here.

I said that no third year QB was beating (how many times have they beaten Luck) the Pats, I did think I was going to be wrong, nay~~~~~~

The reason I keep hammering on this is because we are seeing something really special here and so many of you are acting so stupid about it. I get the.....gotta prove Avante wrong, A MUST!!!!!!!....but that isn't going to work as you are seeing. The guy is as good a young QB as we have seen and if ya knew anything about the game you'd see that.

[Aztecfan03]

You didn't know jack shit about RG3 before he took a pro snap. In fact, you were riding his dick during his rookie year:







It's pathetic that you feel the need to keep lying about your takes in order to pretend you're an "NFL expert."

It's like he is a hypocrit about speaking too soon about things.

[Avante]

It's like he is a hypocrit about speaking too soon about things.

We all debated the RGIII/Luck/RW best rookie QB right here. I talked about RW being the chosen one. I talked about RGIII's track exploits and how he wasn't a "world class" sprinter.

I knew about RGIII as a high schooler, being a track freak.

[Aztecfan03]

It's like he is a hypocrit about speaking too soon about things.

[Avante]

It's like he is a hypocrit about speaking too soon about things.

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I'll ignore the fact that you were talking about RGIII 's track exploits while at Baylor. I need to act dumb.

[Aztecfan03]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6208224#post6208224)
As of right now if this were a fight they'd pull RGIII off Andre Luck, he's killing him. Not even close!




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6236374#post6236374)
Luck the 31 ranked QB, WAYYYYYYYYYYYY behind RGIII




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6111186#post6111186)
RGIII... has "star" written all over him only a blind man wouldn't see that.



yep these are track exploits. :rolleyes

[Avante]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6208224#post6208224)
As of right now if this were a fight they'd pull RGIII off Andre Luck, he's killing him. Not even close!




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6236374#post6236374)
Luck the 31 ranked QB, WAYYYYYYYYYYYY behind RGIII




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6111186#post6111186)
RGIII... has "star" written all over him only a blind man wouldn't see that.



yep these are track exploits. :rolleyes

So you've never read my."RGIII doesn't have World Class speed"....right?

[Avante]

Next season, don't freak out after 6-7 weeks...ok? Don't put too much into "a" game...ok? Fucking funny watching you guys....TOM BRADY IS DONE....hahaha!!!!!!! When the Seahawks were 3-3, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People, it's a long season, ok? This isn't the NCAA where every game makes or breaks ya, all the pros are trying to do is make the playoffs so we will see the ebb and flo, the less than stellar performance because they are sitting fine vs their division. Which is all that matters.

So keep that in mind next season when one of the power teams is 2-4....ok? This...THEY ARE DONE...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aztecfan03]

Next season, don't freak out after 6-7 weeks...ok? Don't put too much into "a" game...ok? Fucking funny watching you guys....TOM BRADY IS DONE....hahaha!!!!!!! When the Seahawks were 3-3, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People, it's a long season, ok? This isn't the NCAA where every game makes or breaks ya, all the pros are trying to do is make the playoffs so we will see the ebb and flo, the less than stellar performance because they are sitting fine vs their division. Which is all that matters.

So keep that in mind next season when one of the power teams is 2-4....ok? This...THEY ARE DONE...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

WHy did you put too much into what RG3 did very early on?

[Avante]

WHy did you put too much into what RG3 did very early on?

Well he did end up rookie of the year.

[Avante]

My Niners totally blew it by letting Alex Smith go. He's right there in the middle of the pack but all we needed being a running team/play monster D. Kaepernick seems to be too caught up in being a celebrity as he regresses. But, the word is he's working with Kurt Warner on how to play NFL QB. Being just a great athlete won't work.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If the Rams could ever get a legit QB, they'd be dangerous.

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Too bad the Seahawks came into that game with injuries to the Legion of Boom, and then to lose Lane, sucked!

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The Cards could be the team to push Seattle/Green Bay/Dalla , in the NFC. The Niners are back to the drawing board.

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If I'm Tyreek Hill the Big12 sprint champ out of OSU who has been suspended I'm quitting school and entering the draft/free agent. He would come into the league as the fastest player on day one.

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Peyton Manning needs to hang um up. If he doesn't he is going to end up embarrashing himself.

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Imagine if Jordy Nelson and Julian Edelman played on the same team? We'd have to go way back to the day of Tom Fears and "Crazy Legs" Hirsh with the Rams when it comes to two "great" white receivers on the same team.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I mentioned that Kurt Warner wasn't going to make the HOF, his career was simply too inconsistant. But....he will eventually, the bagging groceries to Superbowl winner too good to pass.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom Brady vs Joe Montana, well Montana never lost a SB. But.....to lose the way the Pats did, just ain't right.

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Will we ever see another Barry Sanders.....nope!!!!!!

[Avante]

Marshawn Lynch weighs 215 pounds, LeGarrette Blount around 240. While neither has Hercshel Walker type speed they are fast. Then there's Bo Jackson, Marcus Dupree both ran a 9.5 in high school, both over 220 pounds. That is the huge difference between black and white athletes.....size with speed. Big and fast!

Look at Randy Moss he was around 6-4 and was an indoor sprint champ while at Marshall. Calvin Johnson is 6-5 or so and can fly, Terrel Owens was fast. These guys tall and fast. Look at Usian Bolt, he is the fastest human who ever walked the earth he's 6-5.

We just don't see those kinds of athletes without roots to western Africa. A big white back is a Mike Alstott type, a thumper. A stud white receiver is a quick shifty guy.

Then there's the agility/elusiveness. My theory on that is....rhythm.....most white cats simply don't have it while blacks have it in abundance.

[Clipper Nation]

My Niners totally blew it by letting Alex Smith go.

Man, you really love scrub game managers, huh?

[Avante]

Man, you really love scrub game managers, huh?

I like winners, what are Smiths/RW winning % the last three seasons?

[Avante]

When RW was given the starter job I'm pretty sure Carroll knew that he didn't have a strong receiving gang but did have a great back/solid D and a mobile QB. So why not do what the Niners were doing? Run the ball, play defense? A we have seen that formula has won the NFC the last three seasons. Yes, you don't have to...gotta pass, ya gotta pass!....no ya don't!

RW can pass the ball, he's just not in an offense that needs to play that. And as we have seen it's been more succesful than anyone elses system since RW came in the league having won the most games.

RW plays the QB position a little different than what we are used to seeing, but if success means anything..................

[Avante]

Just saw a scene out of The Defiant Ones on TMC.

There's Sidney Poitier chained to Tony Curtis, yep, escaped convicts. So there they are running to catch a train, Poitier has no problem catching up to the train, not so for slow white Tony Curtis.

Nailed it~~~~~~~

[Avante]

I'm not going to see that QB with..

more starts
better stats
more wins
better playoff success

am I?

How come, oh yeah.....HE DOESN'T EXIST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[NFO]

Nothing like talking to yourself.

No, the OP doesn't have any self validation issues...:rollin

[Avante]

Notice how this shit only talks "at" me here? When I see faggots zeroing in on just me, I ignore them.

[Avante]

So what current QB's are the best that franchise has ever had?

Saints...Drew Brees
Falcons...Matt Ryan
Seahawks...Russell Wilson
Packers..Aaron Rodgers
Giants...Eli Manning
Lions...Matthew Stafford
Panthers...Cam Newton
Patriots...Tom Brady
Ravens...Joe Flacco
Steelers...Big Ben

[NFO]

Notice how NO ONE responds to any of your lame lists?

Guess you can't take a hint.

[Avante]

In a perfect sports world....

Eulace Peacock is in Berlin in 1936.

Muhammad Ali never goes to prison.

Hurricane Carter stays home that night.

Montana, Craig, Rice and Lott all retire Niners.

Chief running backs....Mack Lee Hill, Stone Johnson and Joe Delaney don't die inside two years.

LeBron plays TE.

Warren Wells doesn't get popped for sales.

Cliff Branch is in the HOF.


Gale Sayers, Bo Jackson, don't get injured.

Barry Sanders played 4 more years.

[chunticakes]

Avante which RB had the best 3 seasons to start his career?

You talk about Wilson's historic first 3 seasons but which RB had the best initial 3 seasons to start his career?

[NFO]

Avante which RB had the best 3 seasons to start his career?

You talk about Wilson's historic first 3 seasons but which RB had the best initial 3 seasons to start his career?

Watch out what you wish for, you'll probably get a list with each position's player that had the best 3 years to start a career.

[chunticakes]

Watch out what you wish for, you'll probably get a list with each position's player that had the best 3 years to start a career.

i'm waiting to see if he'll take the bait.

[Avante]

i'm waiting to see if he'll take the bait.

Answering a question is taking the bait?

That would be Eric Dickerson. He had the yards, the average and the scores unlike anyone else if we combine the total package. If he'd stayed with the Rams he'd been the all time leading rusher.

A 9.4 100 yards guy while in high school in Sealy Texas. There is no doubt at all if not for football he's a national class sprinter while at SMU. Olympic champ Jesse Owens was a 9.4 guy, obviously meaning more in the 30's.

I have to mention Jim Brown, who played in 12 game seasons. His numbers if we gave him 16 games season...hmmmm?

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This Russell Wilson deal is kinda funny actually. I started off just fucking around with it, yep....trolling. I saw the reaction/impact it made. Then the guy does start...

tying rookie td record
winning a playoff game
highest passer rating ever by a two year player
winning more games than anyone after three seasons
winning a Superbowl
coming within a foot of winning another

yep, that Avante curse, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had no idea this guy was going to be doing what he has done, I thought he'd be a solid QB, but nothing like what he has become.

I'm not bullshitting when I say if we look at his stats/wins/starts/playoff success there has never been anyone more impressive after just three seasons, nobody!!!! Sure he plays on a team with a stud back/defense but he also plays on a team with no stud receivers or TE, and the NFL is suppose to be a QB's league, so that makes what he's done even more impressive. Imagine if he had Jason Witten and Dez Bryant or the Thomas's, Welker and Emanuel Sanders. Antonio Brown?

[Avante]

The greatest season ever had was way back in 1934 when the Bears Beattie Feathers became the leagues first 1000 yard rusher. What makes this the greatest season ever is his 9.9 average per carry. There is some debate over that but there is no doubt it was over 8 yards a carry. Great backs might have a 6.4ish season but nobody comes close to averaging 8/9 and gains over 1000 yards.

Which reminds me of...

Houston McTear was just a junior at Baker HS in Florida when he tied the world record in the 100 yard dash at 9.0. Which is still the record today (he did it in the mid 70's) since we run meters now. He was also a running back, he averaged over 13 yards a carry his senior season. Everyone wanted him especially Florida but he was really really dumb. So he ended up at a couple JC's out here in California just running track.

Saw him at the West Coast Relays in Fresno coming from way back on a 4x2 anchor leg (Santa Monica JC) to that...woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! !!!!...from the crowd, most not knowing who he was. With 10 yards to go he's looking all around with that..."nothing to it"...look on his face. 1980 Olympian, but we didn't go...boycott.

[Avante]

While talking running backs.

Imagine a college team with two future Heisman winners in the same backfield. That's what Army had with Glenn "Mr. Outside" Davis ## and Doc "Mr.Inside" Blanchard. One winning the Heisman one year the other the next.

## 9.6 sprinter on the Army track team.

As far as two backs on the same college team that had great NFL success...Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders at Okie State. Both in the top 15 All Time NFL rushers.

A few others...

Charles White and Marcus Allen USC
Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell at Penn State
Mercury Morris and Duane Thomas at West Texas State

Trivia

What junior college did two Hall of Fame running backs attend?

[NFO]

The greatest season ever had was way back in 1934 when the Bears Beattie Feathers became the leagues first 1000 yard rusher. What makes this the greatest season ever is his 9.9 average per carry. There is some debate over that but there is no doubt it was over 8 yards a carry. Great backs might have a 6.4ish season but nobody comes close to averaging 8/9 and gains over 1000 yards.

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Houston McTear was just a junior at Baker HS in Florida when he tied the world record in the 100 yard dash at 9.0. Which is still the record today (he did it in the mid 70's) since we run meters now. He was also a running back, he averaged over 13 yards a carry his senior season. Everyone wanted him especially Florida but he was really really dumb. So he ended up at a couple JC's out here in California just running track.

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[Avante]

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So tell me Avante, who was the best running backs to never have a 1000 yard season, if anyone would know it would be you.

Good one amigo, here ya go...

Hall of Fame ***

Willie Galimore Bears
Paul Hornung Packers***
Frank Gifford Giants***
Timmy Brown Eagles
Buddy Young Colts
Hugh "The King" McElhenny*** Niners
Don Perkins Cowboys
Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer Jets
Dickie Post and Keith Lincoln Chargers
Essex Johnson Bengals
Bobby Mitchell Browns *** (but as a Redskins receiver)

[Avante]

This is a thread that belongs to a long time fan, a guy who saw all those you read/hear about play. A guy who has done the reseach on all that he didn't see. So when ya come here don't bring your....DUH!...bullshit like we see with that dumb fuck following me around. Who wouldn't know Jim Brown from James Brown. Bring your A game or stay out, ok?

Really tired of the...

CN...Struggle Wilson can't win two Superbowls back to back, he's GARBAGE I TELL YA, GARBAGE!

hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....is this one retarded little fuck or what?

If ya wanna talk like a grown up I'll treat ya like one, act like a little prick, I'll treat you like one.

[NFO]

translation

So tell me Avante, who was the best running backs to never have a 1000 yard season, if anyone would know it would be you.

You need a better translator then, your translation skills appear to be poor.

[Avante]

You need a better translator then, your translation skills appear to be poor.

translation

So tell me Avante, who were the best white backs with some speed and wiggle? If anyone would know it's you.

They were rare small fry, but there were a few,

Way back when there was Red "The Galloping Ghost" Grange (real name was Harold) he was a dazzling runner vs white defenders. Fast and elusive but he didn't play vs fast and elusive.

Huge "The King" McElhenny was the best runner Ive ever seen for a white guy. A former hurdles champion he had great speed and amazing agility. A fantastic broken field runner.

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett was quick and shifty, and also had speed.

Dickie Post was a darter, a stop and go, make um miss cat. Super quick!

As we know white backs are usually thumpers or hard runners with little elusiveness. Those were the exceptions.

I picked up on this guy while he was in HS, I expected big things out of him. He left Texas for Michigan, nope! Then he ended up at Rice, nope! Then...poof!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s

[Avante]

I always get a kick out of the internet. If we/me/you come in contact with anyone who really knows their stuff, its soooooooooooooooooo important that we...."I'll show him he doesn't know it all"....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! It's like a phobia.

Little people, pro football historian here, ok? A trivia geek/freak.expert...ok? A successful gambler. Stop fighting it, ok? Embrace it, see it as an opportunity to learn something, a free education.

I brag about it because it's funny watching the response that gets, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! It's fucking funny watching...."you're no betting expert"..then.."one good week!"...then.."so ya got lucky again"...then..."ok ok but it can't last"...then....criclets, as it sets in...."damn hes for real"...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is funny watching you little shits.:lobt2:

[NFO]

translation

So tell me Avante, who were the best white backs with some speed and wiggle? If anyone would know it's you.

You still need a better translator then, your translation skills appear to be getting poorer.



I picked up on this guy while he was in HS, I expected big things out of him. He left Texas for Michigan, nope! Then he ended up at Rice, nope! Then...poof!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s


I like watching McGuffie highlights too. This one is my favorite.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cm50v7vGVUY

[Avante]

Not a fan of the combine at all. It's a very bad way to do things.

Football is all about desire/need to excell. It's not about the standing long jump and silly shit like that. You go with game footage, football scenarios.

Jerry Rice was no sprinter, his 40 time was weak. So??? Now look at Olympian sprinter Jeff Demps who can't find a team to play for. Not that he shouldn't be given a shot as a slot receiver instead of a running back.

Look at Dri Archer, the fastest player in his draft, why isn't he starring with Pitt?

Who saw Alfred Morris doing what he has? Doug Martin?

[Avante]

Remember how Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck walked right in and took off? Let's see what other rookie QB's can do that?

It is not that common.

[Avante]

Al you.....speed means nothing....check out the combine and how important those 40's are. Trust me a 4.65 for a wide receiver will cost him big $$$$$$$ compared to a 4.35.

[Avante]

Looks like yet another first for Russell Wilson. The guy just keeps piling up never done befores, wow~~~

The first fully guranteed contract.

Let's keep score....

First NFC QB to throw 26 tds in a rookie season
First under six foot QB to win a SB
First QB to pass for 300/run for a 100 in a game
Fist second year QB to have two 100 passing ratings
First QB to go 10-1 vs other SB winning QB's.
First QB to play in two SB's in his first three seasons
First QB to start 56 games in three seasons
First QB to win six playoff games in their first three seasons
First player ever to sign a fully guranteed contract

[Clipper Nation]

:lol That contract is going to be a disaster.

[Avante]

:lol That contract is going to be a disaster.

Dude, if he never does anything again he's already accomplished more in just three seasons than your Chargers have in over five decades.

He's already won more SB's than...

Tobin Rote
John Hadl
Dan Fouts
Stan Humphries
Philip Rivers

COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More SB wins than how many franchises? How many HOF QB's?

Faggot, the guy is 26 years old, now think ya dumb fuck.

[Clipper Nation]

Nope. The team accomplished that in spite of their game-manager quarterback because he was inexpensive, so the rest of the roster could be stacked. Give Struggle a big-money guaranteed contract and the decline starts now.

[Avante]

Nope. The team accomplished that in spite of their game-manager quarterback because he was inexpensive, so the rest of the roster could be stacked. Give Struggle a big-money guaranteed contract and the decline starts now.

Nope? Nope what? Has Russell Wilson not already accompished more than your Chargers and a ton of other teams and Hall of Fame QB's? And it only took him three seasons. Hell, actually just two.

Dude, the Seahawks don't need to win another game. And RW could retire tomorrow, the bottom line ya fucking faggot is this.

Russell Wilson/Seahawks Superbowls champs.

That can't be said about...

Warren Moon
Buffalo Bills
Dan Fouts
Detroit Lions
Jim Kelly
Cleveland Browns
Andrew Luck
San Diego Chargers
Matthew Stafford
Boomer Esiason
Donovan McNabb
Dan Marino
Sonny Jurgenson
Ken Anderson
Minnesota Vikings
Fran Tarkenton
Tony Romo
Philly Eagles
Atlanta Falcons
Randall Cunningham
John Hadl
Matt Ryan
Houston Texans
Tennessee Titans
Jacksonville Jaguars
Philip Rivers
Carolina Panthers

[Avante]

I do get a kick out of this place soooo many rookies.

Remember....TOM BRADY IS DONE!

Remember....NO SB WINNING TEAM CAN WIN A...........

Remember...The Seahawks hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! (at 3-3)

Remember....Tony Romo sucks. (after week one)

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully you little fucks learned something in 2014....SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...ok? Stop fucking over reacting to everything on a weekly basis. This is not the NCAA, ok? All these pro team are trying to do is win a division...NOT EVERY FUCKING GAME..ok? Hell yes they pick and choose their energy out puts and what games need to be won. And when they are sitting pretty and can ease up. So stop acting like a deranged banty rooster over a game or a couple...ok?

Remember...hey Avante your picks suck, 0-3 and minus 330, hahaha!!!!!!!
As I....slow down it does get easier. Well how did that go, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The season starts after Turkey Day, ok? Remember that.

[Avante]

My first 2015 prediction.

It will be around week 6, one of the good teams will be 2-4 and it will be....THEY SUCK!!!!!!! THEY'RE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRE THE COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO QB~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then at week 8 they are 4-4 then 6-4 then....

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Has Russell Wilson not already accompished more than your Chargers and a ton of other teams and Hall of Fame QB's? And it only took him three seasons. Hell, actually just two.

Again, the team accomplished those playoff runs in spite of their quarterback shitting the bed repeatedly. The rest of the roster could be stacked enough to hide Struggle's shortcomings as much as possible because he was still on his cheap third-round rookie contract. When he gets his new 100% guaranteed big-money contract, though, his supporting cast will have to get broken up and he will get exposed when he finally has to shoulder the responsibilities of a franchise QB.

[Avante]

Again, the team accomplished those playoff runs in spite of their quarterback shitting the bed repeatedly. The rest of the roster could be stacked enough to hide Struggle's shortcomings as much as possible because he was still on his cheap third-round rookie contract. When he gets his new 100% guaranteed big-money contract, though, his supporting cast will have to get broken up and he will get exposed when he finally has to shoulder the responsibilities of a franchise QB.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact nobody has more GWD's since he came in the league? Why totally ignore his stats which are great? Why continue to ignore the fact he's never had a great receiving gang? Why keep acting totally stupid over the fact he's been a success everywhere he's played? Why act like you've never seen his highlight video which is...WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think you have a clue what's going on here. The guy is doing things never seen before. This isn't just another QB on a great team, how you fail to see this is amazing. Dummy, Seattle runs the read option, ok, do you understand this at all?

Dude, do you understand stuff like comp%, passer rating, QBR at all? Do you have any clue at all about how rare it is to see a young guy step right in and do what he's done? CN, you appear to live in a fantasy world all your very own, a world where everyone is a faggot or stupid or this or that, constant negavity 100% of the time, do you ever stop and actually pay any attention at all to what is actually going on?

Pete Carroll is a winner, Russell Wilson is a winner you are a stupid faggot.

[Clipper Nation]

Pete Carroll's a winner. Struggle's a minor role player on a winning team.

[Avante]

I've done this before, so what?

Top RB's for each team, in my opinion. Not just about numbers.

Niners...Frank Gore, Roger Craig, Joe "The Jet" Perry, Hugh "The King" McElhenny
Rams...Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk, Steven Jackson, Dick Bass
Seahawks...Shawn Alexander, Marshawn Lynch, Curt Warner, Chris Warren
Cards...Ottis Anderson, Ollie Matson, John David Crow, Terry Metcalf
Packers...Jim Taylor, Ahman Green, Paul Hornung, John Brockington
Vikes...Adrian Peterson, Robert Smith, Chuck Foreman, Tommy Mason
Lions...Barry Sanders, Billy Sims, Nick Pietrasonte, Mel Farr
Bears...Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Matt Forte, Neal Anderson
Cowboys...Emmitt Smitt, Tony Dorsett, Don Perkins, Calvin Hill
Eagles...Wilbert Montgomery, Brian Westbrook, Lesaun McCoy, Timmy Brown
Redskins...John Riggins, Larry Brown, Clinton Portis, Stephen Davis
Giants...Tiki Barber, Rodney Hampton, Frank Gifford, Joe Morris
Falcons...Gerald Riggs,William Andrews, Warrick Dunn, Jamal Anderson
Saints...Deuce McAlister, George Rogers, Dalton Hillard, Ruben Mayes
Buc's...James Wilder, Mike Alstott, Cadillac Williams, Michael Pittman (Martin)
Panthers...DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, DeShaun Foster, Tim Biakabutuka
Raiders...Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Clem Daneils, Mark Van Eeghan
Chargers...Ladainian Tomlinson, Paul Lowe, Marion Butts, Natrone Means
Chiefs...Jamaal Charles, Christian Okoye, Priest Holmes, Abner Haynes
Broncos...Terrell Owens, Floyd Little, Otis Armstrong, Sammy Winder
Jets...Curtis Martin, Freeman McNeil, Emerson Boozer, Matt Snell
Bills...Thurman Thomas, O.J.Simpson, Cookie Gilchrist, Joe Cribbs
Pats...Sam Cunningham, Jim Nance, Tony Collins, Larry Garron
Dolphins...Larry Csonka, Ricky Williams, Mercury Morris, Ronnie Brown
Colts..Edgerrin James, Lenny Moore, Lydell Mitchell, Alan Ameche
Jags..Fred Taylor, Maurice Jones Drew, James Stewart
Oilers/Titans...Earl Campbell, Eddie George, Chris Johnson, Lorenzo White
Texans...Arian Foster, Domanick Williams, Steve Slaton, Ron Dayne
Steelers...Jerome Bettis, Franco Harris, John Henry Johnson, Willie Parker (Bell)
Browns...Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Marion Motley, Mike Pruitt
Bengals...Corey Dillon, James Brooks, Pete Johnson, Rudi Johnson

I can't ignore Hercshel Walker, his USFL days were amazing and he is in the top 50 all time NFL rushers, he just never stayed in one place for very long.

[Avante]

The forgotten Seahawk

fast forward to 20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcZZlMKL5xw

He was out of tiny Furman college. Not sure what Division that is or where it's at. And I know these things..

[Avante]

Pete Carroll's a winner. Struggle's a minor role player on a winning team.

Damn you're dumb.


Dude, 7-9 7-9 before RW showed up. Two pro bowls in three seasons.

I'll pass on all the things he's done nobody else ever has, you don't appear to understand any of that, yep, too dumb.

Do even know what QBR is?

A minor role player becoming histories first totally guaranteed contract, boy that's some role he plays, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you work at being stupid?

[Avante]

The best undrafted offense

QB...Warren Moon
RB...Cookie Gilchrist
RB...Priest Holmes
WR...Wes Welker
WR...Rod Smith
TE...Antonio Gates

I would do the worst drafted offense but those guys were so bad you wouldn't have everd heard of any of them.

[Avante]

Russell Wilson vs Dan Marino first three seasons

Wilson's playoff success on a whole other level as is his wins.

Comp %

Marino 58.4, 64.2, 59.3
RW 64.1, 63.1. anorher 63.1

RW advantage

TD's

Marino 98
RW 72

Marino advantage

INT's

Marino 54
RW 26

RW advantage

Passer rating

Marino 96.0, 108.9, 84.1
RW 100.0, 101.2, 95.0

RW advantage

Looks like RW to me, anyone wanna try someone else?

So far RW has downed Cam Newton, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Joe Flacco, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, and Dan Marino.

Who else?

There is nobody with more wins, playoff success.

I do get a chuckle out of this totally stupid...."he has a RB and a defense"...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck the fact he has no receivers and a ton of HOF QB's also had a RB/defense. Fuck the fact he left the college game as the all time passing leader. Fuck the fact he never rode the bench for one second. Fuck the fact he;s had more 4th quarter game winnig drives than anyone since he's came in the league. Never seen so many who know so little about the game as I see here. It's amazing, the...DUH!...is deafening.

Anyone wanna see how badly he kicks Andrew "INT" Luck's ass? Does that fucker look goofy or what? I can't believe someone hasn't told him...."dude ya simply don't have the head for a beard, ok?"

[NFO]

So far RW has downed Cam Newton, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Joe Flacco, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, and Dan Marino.


Can you please show me where RW won a SB MVP trophy in his first 3 years????

Pretty sure he won LVP in this past SB with that beautiful 1 yard INT.

[Avante]

Kurt Warner only played in 27 games his first three seasons. We can stop right there. Ya see RW walked right in and never sat on a bench, he's played in more game than any QB in history after three seasons.

Who was that guy who started every game as a rookie, won a playoff game, started every game his second season and won a SB then came within a foot of winning another SB in his third? Who is that guy who never sat on a bench and has played in 8 playoff games in three seasons?

[Avante]

Hmmmm?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paPJEEMnNsY

[Avante]

I started to compare RW's first three seasons to Philip Rivers but he only started 16 games. Then I thought...Drew Brees, but he only started 27 games.

So down goes two more.

Can anyone compare with this guy? Keep in mind he's played in 56 games. How many games did Aaron Rodgers sit on a bench? Tom Brady played in how many games his first three seasons?

[NFO]

Kurt Warner only played in 27 games his first three seasons. We can stop right there. Ya see RW walked right in and never sat on a bench, he's played in more game than any QB in history after three seasons.

Who was that guy who started every game as a rookie, won a playoff game, started every game his second season and won a SB then came within a foot of winning another SB in his third? Who is that guy who never sat on a bench and has played in 8 playoff games in three seasons?

But where is RW's SB MVP trophy????

Can you post a picture of it??

oh wait, you can't

[Avante]

But where is RW's SB MVP trophy????

Can you post a picture of it??

oh wait, you can't

Let me guess...bi-polar?

Dude, RW stepped right off the plane and took over, ok? Kurt Warner didn't do that at all....ok? I;m looking for a ....ROOKIE!!!!!!!...who became a starter in game one....OK?

Wow~~~~~

[Avante]

RW wasn't brought in to be the starter, remember? He was going to back up te big $$$$ man.....remember? So for him to do what's he's done is amazing.

Let's do it again, it's fun, ha~~~~~~~~~

Ties rookie td record
Wins a playoff game as a rookie
Only QB in history with two 100 passer ratings in first two seasons.
Wins a SB in second season
Only QB to ever pass for 300/run for 100 in a game.
Only QB in history to play in two SB in first three seasons.
The highest passer rating ever after three seasons.
Most playoff wins ever after three seasons.
Most games played in ever after three seasons.
Most wins in history after three seasons.

Give up ya little shits, this is an amazing athlete here and only a fucking dummy wouldn't get it.

Dummy...but he threw a big INT in the SB
Smart cat.....and how many great QB's never even won one with some never even playing in one much less two?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My favorite DUH!...."but he has a RB and a defense"....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NFO]

Let me guess...bi-polar?

Dude, RW stepped right off the plane and took over, ok? Kurt Warner didn't do that at all....ok? I;m looking for a ....ROOKIE!!!!!!!...who became a starter in game one....OK?

Wow~~~~~

Why narrow the field so much??

The guys who provides lame list after lame list full of names and names, wants to narrow the field to fit his argument. :rollin

[Avante]

Why narrow the field so much??

The guys who provides lame list after lame list full of names and names, wants to narrow the field to fit his argument. :rollin

The guy who does nothing here at all but follow me around can't figure out my point is....HE STEPPED RIGHT IN AND TOOK OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

I'll crawl like a snail.....

RW is just a third year QB...ok? Like in...OK??? So all we can do...RIGHT NOW!!!!!..is compare him to what others did in....THEIR FIRST THREE SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!...ok?

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, there is no QB in pro football history who has had a better....FIRST THREE SEASONS ...than Russell Wilson. Nobody played in more games, nobody won more games, nobody had better playoff success....that is a fact!!!!!!! And, his stats are second to none....AFTER THREE SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This....."but he has a RB and a defense"...is lame ass shit and it's obvious, nobody ever says, "but Bart Starr had Taylor and Hornung and that great defense".....why? IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's football.

If he'd, but he, could have, might have, what if.....is stupid, it is what it is. Just like a win is a win, nobody wants to hear a bunch of fucking excuses, well this is no different.

[Aztecfan03]

To everything, spin,spin,spin.
There is a season, spin, spin, spin.
And a time to spin every purpose under heaven.
A time to spin, a time to spin.
A time to spin, a time to spin.
A time to spin, a time to spin.
A time to spin, a time to spin.

[Avante]

To everything, spin,spin,spin.
There is a season, spin, spin, spin.
And a time to spin every purpose under heaven.
A time to spin, a time to spin.
A time to spin, a time to spin.
A time to spin, a time to spin.
A time to spin, a time to spin.

translation

A QB is judged on who his RB is, you don't know this?

[Avante]

This...

Unless a QB has to pass and pass and pass he ain't shit...............hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's fucking funny.

[Avante]

What a bummer the Niners aren't in the NFC/AFC South.

Sooooooooo many great players...

Joe Perry
Y.A.Tittle
Frankie Albert
Johnny Strzykalski
Bruno Banducci
R.C.Owens
Jimmy Johnson
Abe Woodson
John Brodie
Gene Washington
Ken Williard
Dave Parks
Hugh McElhenny
Leo Nomellini
Bob St.Clair
Dave Wilcox
Delvin Williams
Bryant Young
Charles Haley
Roger Craig
Jerry Rice
Ronnie Lott
Dwight Clarke
Wendell Tyler
JD Smith
Joe Montana
Terrell Owens
Steve Young
Garrison Hearst
Freddie Solomon
Bert Jones
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Justin Smith
Ricky Watters
Patrick Wllis
Navarro Bowman

not to mention...

Rod Woodson
Deion Sanders
Randy Moss

Hell, just the Bay Area with the Raiders.

Daryl Lamonica
Jim Otto
Clem Daneils
Hewritt Dixon
Gene Upshaw
Art Shell
Warren Wells
Jack Tatum
Lester Hayes
Michael Haynes
Ben Davidson
Otis Sistrunk
The Tooz
Fred Biletnikoff
Dave Casper
Cliff Branch
Tim Brown
Willie Brown
Ted Hendricks
Kenny Stabler
Mark Van Eeghan
Napolean Kaufman
Todd Christianson
Marcus Allen
Bo Jackson
Charles Woodson

not to mention

Jerry Rice
Roger Craig
Eric Dickerson
Ronnie Lott

A Raider/Niner All Time team combined, wow!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Coach/QB combo the most important factor on any team. You always start there. Obviously a large % of the other pieces change from season to season as we are now seeing.

Look at all the division winners, usually they have that best coach/QB combo.

Who are the champs...

Belichick/Brady

Who did they beat...

Carroll/Wilson

Who won multiple SB's...

Lombardi/Starr
Noll/Bradshaw
Walsh/Montana

Who has never played in one? Lions/Browns.....now look at their coachs/QB combo's.

So all this current player movement means little if that coach/combo duo isn't in place.

[Avante]

I'd rather see my Niners hit rock bottom and rebuild than hover around 8-8. Now it's all about draft picks.

[Avante]

What was the one dramatic difference we saw in 2014 from 2013? So just how much difference did all that movement do, yep, not much.

The Seahawks, Pats, Colts, Packers, Ravens, still the mix, teams like Titans, Raiders, Jags not. Don't expect any huge anythings, it takes time.

Hell, the one team where we will see dramatic change, my Niners~!

[Avante]

Melvin Gordon is the total package, and will make an immediate impact. I don't see that with Gurley, he relies too much on out running defenders, those days are over.

[Avante]

The trade of Frank Gore got me thinking about....

Emmitt Smith...Cards
Earl Campbell....Saints
O.J.Simpson....Niners
Tony Dorsett...Broncos
Franco Harris...Seahawks
Roger Craig...Raiders
Edgerrin James...Cards
Jim Taylor...Saints
Marcus Allen...Chiefs
Corey Dillon...Pats
Eric Dickerson/Herschel Walker/Ricky Watters/Ricky Williams.....pick a couple
Jerome Bettis...Steelers
Marshall Faulk...Rams
John Riggins...Redskins
Marshawn Lynch....Seahawks
Curt Warner...Rams
James Brooks...Bengals
Warrick Dunn...Buc's
Cookie Gilchrist...Broncos
Abner Haynes...Broncos
Larry Csonka...Giants

[spurraider21]

Clinton Portis, LeSean McCoy

[Pelicans78]

What a bummer the Niners aren't in the NFC/AFC South.

Sooooooooo many great players...

Joe Perry
Y.A.Tittle
Frankie Albert
Johnny Strzykalski
Bruno Banducci
R.C.Owens
Jimmy Johnson
Abe Woodson
John Brodie
Gene Washington
Ken Williard
Dave Parks
Hugh McElhenny
Leo Nomellini
Bob St.Clair
Dave Wilcox
Delvin Williams
Bryant Young
Charles Haley
Roger Craig
Jerry Rice
Ronnie Lott
Dwight Clarke
Wendell Tyler
JD Smith
Joe Montana
Terrell Owens
Steve Young
Garrison Hearst
Freddie Solomon
Bert Jones
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Justin Smith
Ricky Watters
Patrick Wllis
Navarro Bowman

not to mention...

Rod Woodson
Deion Sanders
Randy Moss

Hell, just the Bay Area with the Raiders.

Daryl Lamonica
Jim Otto
Clem Daneils
Hewritt Dixon
Gene Upshaw
Art Shell
Warren Wells
Jack Tatum
Lester Hayes
Michael Haynes
Ben Davidson
Otis Sistrunk
The Tooz
Fred Biletnikoff
Dave Casper
Cliff Branch
Tim Brown
Willie Brown
Ted Hendricks
Kenny Stabler
Mark Van Eeghan
Napolean Kaufman
Todd Christianson
Marcus Allen
Bo Jackson
Charles Woodson

not to mention

Jerry Rice
Roger Craig
Eric Dickerson
Ronnie Lott

A Raider/Niner All Time team combined, wow!!!!!!!!!!!

The NFC West was by far the worst division in the 1970s. The Rams pretty much won the division the entire decade. And the Saints and Falcons were in the NFC West from 1967-2002. Its only been 3-4 seasons where the NFC West has been strong. Wasn't that great from 2002 until 2011.

[Avante]

Clinton Portis, LeSean McCoy

Cool!

Now add...

Charlie Gardner....pick one
Ernest Byner ...Redskins
Maurice Jones Drew...Raiders
Priest Holmes...Chiefs
Darren Sproles...pick a couple
Reggie Bush....pick a couple
Charles White...Browns
Curtis Dickey...Browns

[spurraider21]

ah, i thought we were just talking trades

[Pelicans78]

Melvin Gordon is the total package, and will make an immediate impact. I don't see that with Gurley, he relies too much on out running defenders, those days are over.

Gurley ran over alot of defenders as well. That's why he kept getting nagging injuries in college. Physical runner. Watch what he did to Bama's defense in the 2012 SEC Title game. He was a monster that game.

[Pelicans78]

The trade of Frank Gore got me thinking about....

Emmitt Smith...Cards
Earl Campbell....Saints
O.J.Simpson....Niners
Tony Dorsett...Broncos
Franco Harris...Seahawks
Roger Craig...Raiders
Edgerrin James...Cards
Jim Taylor...Saints
Marcus Allen...Chiefs
Corey Dillon...Pats
Eric Dickerson/Herschel Walker/Ricky Watters/Ricky Williams.....pick a couple
Jerome Bettis...Steelers
Marshall Faulk...Rams
John Riggins...Redskins
Marshawn Lynch....Seahawks
Curt Warner...Rams
James Brooks...Bengals
Warrick Dunn...Buc's
Cookie Gilchrist...Broncos
Abner Haynes...Broncos
Larry Csonka...Giants

How could you leave out Hershel Walker who was part of the ultimate trade?

[Avante]

The NFC West was by far the worst division in the 1970s. The Rams pretty much won the division the entire decade. And the Saints and Falcons were in the NFC West from 1967-2002. Its only been 3-4 seasons where the NFC West has been strong. Wasn't that great from 2002 until 2011.

Yes I know all that, this was more about all those great players the Niners/Raiders have had.

Hell, there was a time when...

NFL West

Baltimore Colts
Niners
Rams
Bears
Vikings
Packers
Lions

East

Redskins
Eagles
Cowboys
Giants
St.Louis Cardinals, after coming over from Chicago
Browns
Steelers

AFL

West

Los Angeles Chargers
Broncos
Dallas Texans (Chiefs)
Raiders

East

NY Titans (Jets)
Boston Patriots
Bills
Houston Oilers

[Avante]

How could you leave out Hershel Walker who was part of the ultimate trade?

How can you miss him being there?

[Avante]

ah, i thought we were just talking trades

More about RB movement.

[Avante]

Gurley ran over alot of defenders as well. That's why he kept getting nagging injuries in college. Physical runner. Watch what he did to Bama's defense in the 2012 SEC Title game. He was a monster that game.

I saw him play a half dozen times or so, never got the feel he was a power guy.

[Pelicans78]

I saw him play a half dozen times or so, never got the feel he was a power guy.

I watched every game he played. He was more of a power back in his freshman season, but changed his style a bit as his injuries piled up. He just happened to be blessed with breakaway speed.

[Avante]

I watched every game he played. He was more of a power back in his freshman season, but changed his style a bit as his injuries piled up. He just happened to be blessed with breakaway speed.

Stud hurdler in HS.

[Pelicans78]

Stud hurdler in HS.

His legs are massive.

[Avante]

This Russell Wilson thing is fucking funny. The guy has put together the most amazing start to a career we have ever seen and we "STILL" see dummies playing critic. What's the guy suppose to do? All he is doing is winning more games than anyone ever has. he needs to do more? Come on, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many stupid fucks do we have out there?

[Silver&Black]

When is the official 2015 Avante Football Thread coming out? It's bout that time.

[Avante]

His legs are massive.

Yes they are. Gurley belongs to that Marcus Dupree, Bo Jackson, Curtis Dickey, Herschel Walker school. That being big and fast!

[Avante]

When is the official 2015 Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) Football Thread coming out? It's bout that time.

How about setting that up for me, ok? I'd appreciate it.

Being pinked ya understand.

[Silver&Black]

How about setting that up for me, ok? I'd appreciate it.

Being pinked ya understand.

Ooooooh Yeah. That's right. PM me an OP and I'll get it done tomorrow....

[Avante]

Ooooooh Yeah. That's right. PM me an OP and I'll get it done tomorrow....

Just type in...

***** The Official 2015 Avante Football Thread *****

Thank you.

[Avante]

Speaking of Georgia running backs...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBrxMpXsGQI&list=PLMp77cLEU-svzyuNRtPWmN1bJXK1E0dcN

No sprinter ever looked like Herschel Walker. He ran a 10.23, when the great USSR sprinter Valery Borzov won the 72 Olympic 100m, he ran a 10.14.

[Avante]

This thread is now history.

[Aztecfan03]

The trade of Frank Gore got me thinking about....



Trade?