Official 2017-18 NBA Season Thread

[YGWHI]

After Spurs game I watched Boston-OKC.

"Can happen". The Thunder kicked away a +17 lead against Boston in a home game...Russ 35% Melo 17% :D

Seriously, Melo is a favorable matchup to exploit for opposite PFs...

[DAF86]

Lol shooting 34 times. Gtfo nba.

If a guy can't shoot it 34 times when shooting 70% from the fiels when can he do it? :lol

Many old schoolers used to take as many shots, tbh. MJ, Wilt, etc.

[YGWHI]

"The Spurs (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/SA/san-antonio-spurs) big man might known best for his fadeaway long 2-ball, but Aldridge is shooting a surprising amount of 3-pointers this season. He's averaging 2.9 per 100 and making 37 percent of his attempts. This is something he's flashed before in his final year in Portland, but it didn't carry over to San Antonio.

Early in the season, Aldridge is exploring the perimeter game and making a good chunk of his shots. He's always been a talented big, but the inefficiency of long 2s has hampered him in today's NBA. San Antonio gave him an extension so it clearly believes in his ability, but he'll need to prove he's worth that money.

It will be interesting to see if Aldridge continues to fire from 3-point range or if he'll move back down below the arc once Kawhi Leonard (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1715792/kawhi-leonard) and Tony Parker (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240304/tony-parker) return. Individually he's playing very well, but the San Antonio offense as a whole is struggling right now with him as the first option"

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/anthony-davis-isnt-the-only-big-man-who-suddenly-learned-how-to-hit-3-pointers/

For Spurs' sake LMA should keep taking more 3's this season, he has been efficient from there, and most times it's tough for our guards attack the rim with LMA-Pau overcrowding the paint.

[daslicer]

After Spurs game I watched Boston-OKC.

"Can happen". The Thunder kicked away a +17 lead against Boston in a home game...Russ 35% Melo 17% :D

Seriously, Melo is a favorable matchup to exploit for opposite PFs...

I saw the second half of that game. Melo has always been a terrible defensive player. One thing I have noticed about OKC is that they don't have an offensive system. It's manly just isolation plays run for Russ,George,Melo. Celtics on the other hand are exciting to watch. Their perimeter is loaded with athletes which helps them tremendously on both ends of the court.

[YGWHI]

I saw the second half of that game. Melo has always been a terrible defensive player. One thing I have noticed about OKC is that they don't have an offensive system. It's manly just isolation plays run for Russ,George,Melo. Celtics on the other hand are exciting to watch. Their perimeter is loaded with athletes which helps them tremendously on both ends of the court.

Tatum...Brown :tu
I watched the 2nd half too. Narrator said Irving started the game 1-10 but when I watched he was taking over in the 4th in the right way, finding open-guys and driving strong to the hoop.

I guess Donovan tries to have a system but it's hard with the personnel he has...Too much desperate hero-ball with Russ-PG-Melo.

[SAGirl]

Celtics have been playing well. They are loaded with lottery talent (even Irving their FA is 1st pick). They have been and will be a pain.

On another note: Bulls defeated the Magic by a huge margin. I suspected once the Magic's main guys cooled off from the long ball they might regress somewhat. Simmons 6 pts in 26 minutes, with 3 assists but also 3 TO. http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974871

Apparently DJ Augustin is their MVP. He sat down bc he got a hamstring strain and they just weren't the same.

[DAF86]

Celtics have been playing well. They are loaded with lottery talent (even Irving their FA is 1st pick). They have been and will be a pain.

On another note: Bulls defeated the Magic by a huge margin. I suspected once the Magic's main guys cooled off from the long ball they might regress somewhat. Simmons 6 pts in 26 minutes, with 3 assists but also 3 TO. http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974871 Collectively they shot 28% from 3, they had been hitting at better than 50% from 3 collectively and that was just unsustainable long term.

Simmons was -8 and missed all 3 of his 3pt attempts.

The Magic have had flukey 3pt numbers both in offense and defense. Their opponents are shooting like 28% from 3. That's a huge advantage in today's NBA and it is something that is not likley to continue. Once things get back to normal I expect them to be a 50% team.

[raybies]

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[BillMc]

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Thanks for the updates. Man Joff's injury turned into a bigger deal than initially thought (just like Kawhi).

[Chinook]

This should probably be its own thread, but I am not in the mood to do a write-up worthy of it. Looks like the first lineup/off-on stats came out on BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/lineups/

The Spurs' best lineup BY FUCKING FAR has been Murray/Green/Gay/Anderson/Aldridge, with a net rating of plus 103 but having only played nine minutes together. That seemed like the best unit to play to many fans given the whom the team had available. It's some bullshit that Pop plays Gasol over Gay about ten times more. That unit has a -2.2 net rating. Disgusting, though the season is still plenty young. Gay's effect on the team's performance is just as big statistically as it is anecdotally, with

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/on-off/

Murray is still third on the team in terms of off-on behind Green and Gay. Most guys are negative, so the blowouts are having a bigger effect on the stats than they do in real life so far.

[pad300]

Thanks for the updates. Man Joff's injury turned into a bigger deal than initially thought (just like Kawhi).

It's not that Joff is such a crucial piece, it's that we (as a franchise) comitted to small ball by only signing 3 actual bigs (Costello doesn't count)... Should've either brought back David Lee, brought over Milutinov, or drafted Alpha Kaba at 59.

[sasaint]

I saw the second half of that game. Melo has always been a terrible defensive player. One thing I have noticed about OKC is that they don't have an offensive system. It's manly just isolation plays run for Russ,George,Melo. Celtics on the other hand are exciting to watch. Their perimeter is loaded with athletes which helps them tremendously on both ends of the court.

Collectively the Celtics looked really good in the second half. But down the stretch, Kyrie was pretty incredible with his athleticism, and Horford's shot was deadly.

[SAGirl]

This should probably be its own thread, but I am not in the mood to do a write-up worthy of it. Looks like the first lineup/off-on stats came out on BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/lineups/

The Spurs' best lineup BY FUCKING FAR has been Murray/Green/Gay/Anderson/Aldridge, with a net rating of plus 103 but having only played nine minutes together. That seemed like the best unit to play to many fans given the whom the team had available. It's some bullshit that Pop plays Gasol over Gay about ten times more. That unit has a -2.2 net rating. Disgusting, though the season is still plenty young. Gay's effect on the team's performance is just as big statistically as it is anecdotally, with

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/on-off/

Murray is still third on the team in terms of off-on behind Green and Gay. Most guys are negative, so the blowouts are having a bigger effect on the stats than they do in real life so far.
Thanks for that reference. It's worth noting that Murray is the only current rotation player playing blowout minutes. Pop takes even Anderson now from blowouts. With so many guards: White, BP3, Forbes, and Davis needing playing time, Murray has been the only current rotation guy playing garbage time minutes so lineups with him can be a bit misleading one way or another, when it's still a very small sample.

Also, hopefully Patty and Manu trend up, and they appear to be heading in a good direction... Gasol had started really slow offensively and with a ton of TO, but he has been better in recent games. No one has been really consistent. Now that Aldridge is getting doubled even he is finding it difficult to get baskets and his last two games were not high scoring games. Pop is giving opportunities to new guys like BPaul and BForbes and they each have had 1 standout game, which considering the small amount of minutes they have played can inflate their stats or impact significantly. Basically, I think Pop is riding the hot hand for the most part and whoever is having the better game right now. But the observation is interesting.

[raybies]

This should probably be its own thread, but I am not in the mood to do a write-up worthy of it. Looks like the first lineup/off-on stats came out on BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/lineups/

The Spurs' best lineup BY FUCKING FAR has been Murray/Green/Gay/Anderson/Aldridge, with a net rating of plus 103 but having only played nine minutes together. That seemed like the best unit to play to many fans given the whom the team had available. It's some bullshit that Pop plays Gasol over Gay about ten times more. That unit has a -2.2 net rating. Disgusting, though the season is still plenty young. Gay's effect on the team's performance is just as big statistically as it is anecdotally, with

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/on-off/

Murray is still third on the team in terms of off-on behind Green and Gay. Most guys are negative, so the blowouts are having a bigger effect on the stats than they do in real life so far.
Thanks for the research. I look forward to seeing this group more. But it makes sense. The only other lineup I noticed that did work early, was the one that closed Toronto: Murray/BP3/Green/Kyle/LMA. It's close to what you mentioned but you insert Gay for BP3. The lineup I mentioned did struggle to score though and didn't have good playmaking, but I can see why Gay's size and scoring ability would work well. The lineup you mentioned has solid balance when you think about. A couple scoring options with Rudy and LMA, a couple secondary playmakers like Murray and Kyle, and a good shooter with Green if on. The defense is versatile and there's a lot of length.

Anyways hope to see it more.

[cd021]

I wonder if Lebron will be able to break Kareem's total points record. Kareem's record is 38387. Lebron is at 29,000. He will definitely get over 30,000 plus this year if he stays healthy. If he can play 4 more years and average around 24-25 game he has a chance.

I think it's closer to 27 ppg for four more seasons, I wouldn't think so.

[BillMc]

Porzingis again making motions that he has other priorities and not necessarily just going to take the Knicks' money when his rookie deal is up. Obviously, I'm pro-Latvian, but guy is just aching for a real organisation. Spurs collect foreign players. Wish it was somehow possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUG1mCh-S88

[r0drig0lac]

Lol shooting 34 times. Gtfo nba.
wtf
this is Lebron James, he could shoot 50fg and score in great efficiency

[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

It's an article with no substance but this Fansided Sixers blog is suggesting the Spurs should trade Anderson for Okafor.

https://section215.com/2017/11/05/philadelphia-76ers-kyle-anderson/

[BatManu20]

It's an article with no substance but this Fansided Sixers blog is suggesting the Spurs should trade Anderson for Okafor.

https://section215.com/2017/11/05/philadelphia-76ers-kyle-anderson/



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[BillMc]

Lebron with the performance of the year so far


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And its kinda looking like he has to put up those numbers for the Cavs to get a win these days. They're losing to the Hawks tonight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNwKLQtX0AAdrzq?format=png&name=medium

[SAGirl]

It's an article with no substance but this Fansided Sixers blog is suggesting the Spurs should trade Anderson for Okafor.

https://section215.com/2017/11/05/philadelphia-76ers-kyle-anderson/
I don’t see it happening for Okafor but maybe for someone else. Also, maybe not right now but when Kawhi gets healthy.

[BatManu20]

Cavs lose yet again, this time at home to the worst team in basketball... that team sucks. Lebron is gone next summer.


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[Nathan89]

LeBron is leaving the Cavs for sure tbh. What teams are the likely destination? Philadelphia will have money but they'll really need to prove something this year.

[BatManu20]

LeBron is leaving the Cavs for sure tbh. What teams are the likely destination? Philadelphia will have money but they'll really need to prove something this year.

If/when he leaves, I'm pretty confident it's for Houston.

[UZER]

This should probably be its own thread, but I am not in the mood to do a write-up worthy of it. Looks like the first lineup/off-on stats came out on BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/lineups/

The Spurs' best lineup BY FUCKING FAR has been Murray/Green/Gay/Anderson/Aldridge, with a net rating of plus 103 but having only played nine minutes together. That seemed like the best unit to play to many fans given the whom the team had available. It's some bullshit that Pop plays Gasol over Gay about ten times more. That unit has a -2.2 net rating. Disgusting, though the season is still plenty young. Gay's effect on the team's performance is just as big statistically as it is anecdotally, with

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018/on-off/

Murray is still third on the team in terms of off-on behind Green and Gay. Most guys are negative, so the blowouts are having a bigger effect on the stats than they do in real life so far.

With post 2007 Pop, there is always a lineup that works the best, and he goes out of his way to limit that lineups minutes together during a season, instead of just running with it and letting it galvanize. Then he'll play the good lineup the last month of the season, but they haven't had enough time really tighten everything up and be completely solid going the playoffs.

Micromanaging at its finest.

[daslicer]

Porzingis scored 40 points in a Knicks victory over the Pacers. I saw the second half of the game. There was a stretch where he scored 15 straight points to rally the Knicks back from 19.

[BatManu20]

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[BillMc]

Porzingis scored 40 points in a Knicks victory over the Pacers. I saw the second half of the game. There was a stretch where he scored 15 straight points to rally the Knicks back from 19.

And he still doesn't want to be with the Knicks. DO IT RC (though I've no idea how. :lol)

[daslicer]

And he still doesn't want to be with the Knicks. DO IT RC (though I've no idea how. :lol)

I think Porzingis will be with the Knicks for a long time. It's hard to imagine a player as young as him leaving NYC. Especially now that he's loved by the fans. NYC and LA are the two markets you don't leave unless you are playing with a Kobe type of player.

[TD 21]

Of course Spurs 1 big lineups are more successful. The key to small ball, is to have as many big smalls as possible, who essentially combine enough perimeter and interior skills, so that you're effectively playing big and small at once. Spurs have an abundance of these types and together they can somewhat mitigate the lack of a go to play maker by doing so by committee, as well as improving the defensive versatility.

[spursistan]

The Thunder have looked pretty meh so far..

[BillMc]

The Thunder have looked pretty meh so far..

Have you actually watched them? (I haven't). Is it just "taking time to work it out" or is more like the pieces don't fit?

[YGWHI]

Harden 56 pts

76% shooting

7-8 3's

11-12 FTs I thought there was a rule for...Doesn't mind.

12 asts

Part of me is intrigued by a Bron-Beard duo...Then I remember that D'Antoni will be the coach and I feel better.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_hPNtLWAAEThOA.jpg)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_hPNtLWAAEThOA.jpg

[BillMc]

Harden 56 pts

76% shooting

7-8 3's

11-12 FTs I thought there was a rule for...Doesn't mind.

12 asts

Part of me is intrigued by a Bron-Beard duo...Then I remember that D'Antoni will be the coach and I feel better.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_hPNtLWAAEThOA.jpg)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_hPNtLWAAEThOA.jpg
:lol

[raybies]

Porzingis scored 40 points in a Knicks victory over the Pacers. I saw the second half of the game. There was a stretch where he scored 15 straight points to rally the Knicks back from 19.
I started watching from the fourth on. He was incredible. I couldn't believe the performance he had. He was a force on both sides of the ball. I guess as long as he averages 35+ per night the Knicks have a chance at the playoffs....

[BillMc]

I think Porzingis will be with the Knicks for a long time. It's hard to imagine a player as young as him leaving NYC. Especially now that he's loved by the fans. NYC and LA are the two markets you don't leave unless you are playing with a Kobe type of player.

You're probably right for the money reason. But both he and his people (brother) have gone on record as saying that he has different goals and he knows the money will come wherever he goes. If Knicks continue to be a Dolan nightmare who knows. That said, yes, the odds are he will be a Knick through his second contract at least.


I started watching from the fourth on. He was incredible. I couldn't believe the performance he had. He was a force on both sides of the ball. I guess as long as he averages 35+ per night the Knicks have a chance at the playoffs....

Yeah me too. Amazing.

[daslicer]

You're probably right for the money reason. But both he and his people (brother) have gone on record as saying that he has different goals and he knows the money will come wherever he goes. If Knicks continue to be a Dolan nightmare who knows. That said, yes, the odds are he will be a Knick through his second contract at least.


His brother is a weird guy. I remember during the summertime when Phil threatened to trade him that his brother and him started panicking. To me that was clear sign that they didn't want to leave NYC and was just frustrated with the Knicks lack of success. From what I heard Porzingis didn't want Melo to leave but I think now he realizes it was the best move for the team and himself.

[daslicer]

I started watching from the fourth on. He was incredible. I couldn't believe the performance he had. He was a force on both sides of the ball. I guess as long as he averages 35+ per night the Knicks have a chance at the playoffs....

I just watched a youtube clip that showed all of his 40 points. I saw him used the bank shot facing up several times and it looked very similar to Duncan's bank shot. I was amazed that he has included that shot in his arsenal.

[raybies]

I just watched a youtube clip that showed all of his 40 points. I saw him used the bank shot facing up several times and it looked very similar to Duncan's bank shot. I was amazed that he has included that shot in his arsenal.
his impact reminded me of young Duncan, just being a force on both sides of the ball. But he has to consistently do this now. His shooting for a big is like Nowitzki, and defensively he's capable of guarding the perimeter and protecting the rim. dude really is a unicorn lol

[BatManu20]

OKC lost a close game on the road tonight in Portland.

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[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

OKC lost a close game on the road tonight in Portland.

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Point Differential this early in the season means very little. In another month that will change.

[BatManu20]

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[YGWHI]

Clippers lost 4 of their last 5 games. Fortunately they're playing like shit now.

[BatManu20]

Clippers lost 4 of their last 5 games. Fortunately they're playing like shit now.

Glad to hear it but they're still usually a tough matchup for us. Deandre Jordan always looks like Bill Russell when we play them and Scrub Rivers usually goes off on us for his one good game a month. Lou Williams will probably drop 15-20 on us. I bet it ends up being a close game at the finish.

[Robz4000]

Glad to hear it but they're still usually a tough matchup for us. Deandre Jordan always looks like Bill Russell when we play them and Scrub Rivers usually goes off on us for his one good game a month. Lou Williams will probably drop 15-20 on us. I bet it ends up being a close game at the finish.

Think the Clippers win by double digits imo.

[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

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Spurs go 5-7 imo, maybe 6-6 if the Pelicans shoot like shit.

[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

Wonder if Pop actually sticks around long enough to reach the top. If he stays another three seasons he'll definitely surpass Don Nelson, but it's tough to see him coaching in the league beyond 2020.

[BatManu20]

I seriously doubt he'll finish with the most ever. He wont stick around that long imo. He only needs 20 wins to pass George Karl though and 55 wins to pass Pat Riley for #4 all-time. He should surpass Riley in this year's playoffs, barring a surprisingly early exit (knock on wood). Then he'd surpass Jerry Sloan for #3 all-time sometime early next season if all goes according to plan. I think that's as far as he'd get though. He's walking after after two more years imo.

[BatManu20]

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[YGWHI]

Deandre Jordan always looks like Bill Russell when we play them
He looked like an All Time Center because Clips had a PG throwing good lobs...They're a whole different team now.

I watched them against Pistons and Grizz...I say it's a very, VERY winnable game for Spurs. :flag:

[YGWHI]

Spurs go 5-7 imo, maybe 6-6 if the Pelicans shoot like shit.

We all know your game is the low expectations but the schedule is on our side again.

2 games vs Negative Record-Mavs, Baby-Bulls, Tanking-Atlanta, Melo-OKC...Spurs already beat Wolves...Pels? Nah.

I say Spurs lose just one game. Grizz on the road.

11-1


I'm so optimistic this morning. I had a dream about a Warriors-Spurs game where Matt Bonner dunks over Dray and KD...Don't ask why but it happened...I woke up laughing.

[NASpurs]

That's one fucking horrible contract :lol

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[Hoops Czar]

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Only one of those players doesn't belong.

[raybies]

That's one fucking horrible contract :lol

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Think he would still be serviceable somewhere, but he looked bad the one game he played with the Lakers. Who needs a three or small ball four?

[raybies]

Think he would still be serviceable somewhere, but he looked bad the one game he played with the Lakers. Who needs a three or small ball four?
Pelicans! They are starting Cunningham at the 3.

[NASpurs]

Think he would still be serviceable somewhere, but he looked bad the one game he played with the Lakers. Who needs a three or small ball four?

After December 15th, Deng and Clarkson for Mills and Gasol.

Just fucking around, Deng's shit contract and diminishing skills makes me want to throw up to the point that I would rather keep Gasol. :lol

And you say the Pelicans, but who would NO give up and the Lakers even want back in return. The corpse of Asik + filler?

[cjw]

After December 15th, Deng and Clarkson for Mills and Gasol.

Just fucking around, Deng's shit contract and diminishing skills makes me want to throw up to the point that I would rather keep Gasol. :lol

And you say the Pelicans, but who would NO give up and the Lakers even want back in return. The corpse of Asik + filler?

Agree - I think the Lakers will have to give up Randle or similar value to move Deng. If he had one year after this it'd be different.

[raybies]

After December 15th, Deng and Clarkson for Mills and Gasol.

Just fucking around, Deng's shit contract and diminishing skills makes me want to throw up to the point that I would rather keep Gasol. :lol

And you say the Pelicans, but who would NO give up and the Lakers even want back in return. The corpse of Asik + filler?
I was thinking after buyout. I think it's almost impossible to move that contract. One of the worst of all time imo

[Seventyniner]

I was thinking after buyout. I think it's almost impossible to move that contract. One of the worst of all time imo

It cost them D'Bust to get rid of Mozgov's contract. This one is a bit worse but I think the Lakers buy Deng out before attaching an asset to dump him.

[raybies]

It cost them D'Bust to get rid of Mozgov's contract. This one is a bit worse but I think the Lakers buy Deng out before attaching an asset to dump him.
I think if they can't get a buyout done, they just waive and stretch him. But even then will take a chunk of cap. But dang though what a time to be an NBA player that year. Mozgov and Deng both made like bandits and on one team no less.

But the Lakers got a draft pick that turned into Kuzma and Brook Lopez for Mozgov and Russell. So at first it looked like Brooklyn won the deal but the way Kooze been playing it's starting to look like LA got the better deal. Overall it was a pretty good trade for both sides just Mozgov salary dump attached to Russell somehow turned pretty good. Magic doing well so far with what Mitch left him.

[TheDoctor]

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[BatManu20]

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think he's a bad fit in Milwaukee. Good deal for Phoenix though. They have too many centers now and the Bucks have too many PGs.

[NASpurs]

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[SAGirl]

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Good haul considering situation.

[Chinook]

If Pau were still an expiring (gonna continue to keep that fantasy alive), I'd love for Monroe to go to SA after being bought out. He's not the passer Gasol is, and he's not a mobile defender. But dude knows how to score and isn't afraid to show that knowledge off. That makes him have a higher floor than Pau with the potential of him being retained. However, with the current roster, I'd rather hold out that David Lee will be back than sign another center.

[mo7888]

Where is David Lee? Is he still recovering from his injury or is he done as a player?

[SAGirl]

Last I saw he got engaged. He might be seriously considering retirement.

[TD 21]

I think he's a bad fit in Milwaukee. Good deal for Phoenix though. They have too many centers now and the Bucks have too many PGs.

Not great, but more often than not, talent trumps fit and these days, if you're serious about winning, you need at least two All-Star caliber or better perimeter players. This is something most relevant or trying to be relevant teams understand, with Spurs being the obvious exception. Also, Bledsoe should shoot slightly better with more spot up looks playing off of Antetokounmpo.

Bucks don't have too many PG's because Brogdon was always more of an SG and Dellavedova is really a combo guard too.

Suns definitely have too many C's, but Monroe likely isn't long for them.

[TimDunkem]

Where is David Lee? Is he still recovering from his injury or is he done as a player?


Last I saw he got engaged. He might be seriously considering retirement.

Take it for what it's worth, but someone on reddit in the Bay Area said a local radio personality close to Lee was texting him on the air about his future in the NBA. It seemed like Lee was content moving on with life traveling around the world with his wife, and that he doesn't really have a desire to play anymore. With that, his age, and coming off a serious injury, it would seem that his playing days are over.

Either way, it's time to move on from speculating abour Lee.

[dabom]

If Pau were still an expiring (gonna continue to keep that fantasy alive), I'd love for Monroe to go to SA after being bought out. He's not the passer Gasol is, and he's not a mobile defender. But dude knows how to score and isn't afraid to show that knowledge off. That makes him have a higher floor than Pau with the potential of him being retained. However, with the current roster, I'd rather hold out that David Lee will be back than sign another center.

:lmao

[dabom]

Monroe is a bum. A tomato can. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Not great, but more often than not, talent trumps fit and these days, if you're serious about winning, you need at least two All-Star caliber or better perimeter players. This is something most relevant or trying to be relevant teams understand, with Spurs being the obvious exception. Also, Bledsoe should shoot slightly better with more spot up looks playing off of Antetokounmpo.

Bucks don't have too many PG's because Brogdon was always more of an SG and Dellavedova is really a combo guard too.

Suns definitely have too many C's, but Monroe likely isn't long for them.

Yeah the deal was just for the 1st rounder. If they were smart, they'd ship Monroe to a contender at the deadline for another asset

[Robz4000]

Yeah the deal was just for the 1st rounder. If they were smart, they'd ship Monroe to a contender at the deadline for another asset

There is no contender that would take on Monroe's contract. He'll be bought out and go to the Dubs, Celtics, or Clips.

[MaNu4Tres]

There is no contender that would take on Monroe's contract. He'll be bought out and go to the Dubs, Celtics, or Clips.

It's a one year deal. It's very trade-able. He could also be bought out. If I'm PHX I shop him first for a player(s) with much less on the court value that has an expiring as well.

[dabom]

There is a serial welcher on this thread guys. Watch out. And he has bad takes. :lol

[cd021]

I was thinking after buyout. I think it's almost impossible to move that contract. One of the worst of all time imo

Doubt Deng would do that, he has two years remaining on his deal, at big money, he isn't getting anywhere near that money back if he does.

[Chinook]

It's a one year deal. It's very trade-able. He could also be bought out. If I'm PHX I shop him first for a player(s) with much less on the court value that has an expiring as well.

He's not that good. No way in hell would Phoenix get a first without taking back some long-term money.

[MaNu4Tres]

He's not that good. No way in hell would Phoenix get a first without taking back some long-term money.

Where did I say for a 1st?

[Chinook]

Where did I say for a 1st?

Put an "a" where there wasn't one. My bad. I am now left confused about your previous post, however.

[YGWHI]

There is a serial welcher on this thread guys. Watch out. And he has bad takes. :lol

Not me. I'm so good doing this shit.

About tonight game

He looked like an All Time Center because Clips had a PG throwing good lobs...They're a whole different team now.

I watched them against Pistons and Grizz...I say it's a very, VERY winnable game for Spurs.


The only reason that I don't bet here is I don't wanna be responsible for ST members becoming poor :D

[BatManu20]

OKC just lost again, this time to the 1-8 Kings in Sacto... now 4-6 on the season.


Melo leaves the Knicks, they improve. He goes to OKC, they get worse. Hmm...

[DAF86]

OKC just lost again, this time to the 1-8 Kings in Sacto... now 4-6 on the season.


Melo leaves the Knicks, they improve. He goes to OKC, they get worse. Hmm...

Melo 4-16
George 4-17
Westbrook 7-21

Damn, that's ugly.

[rastaspur]

OKC just lost again, this time to the 1-8 Kings in Sacto... now 4-6 on the season.


Melo leaves the Knicks, they improve. He goes to OKC, they get worse. Hmm...

Melo's loser legacy was cemented in my mind before he left denver. not sure why msm, players and coaches have nut hugged him and treated him like a special player for over a decade.

He will make the hall of fame one day and it will be undeserving. A career of empty stats tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[SAGirl]

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Also, got to love Kristaps.
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Reminding me of Tim in this sequence:
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[TD 21]

Yeah the deal was just for the 1st rounder. If they were smart, they'd ship Monroe to a contender at the deadline for another asset

Of the (presumed) elite, Celtics and Thunder are the only 2 with a need for a rotation C, but even if they wanted to, they don't have the salaries to match. More likely, they'd be top options if he's bought out.

Crazy how oversaturated the C market is. So many teams overstocked, looking to get off high salaried types, who either don't play that much or aren't in the rotation altogether.

[SPURt]

Damn, LiAngelo Ball might not go even have a chance to play NBA ball:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743080-liangelo-ball-reportedly-could-face-3-10-years-in-jail-for-shoplifting-in-china

[tholdren]

Damn, LiAngelo Ball might not go even have a chance to play NBA ball:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743080-liangelo-ball-reportedly-could-face-3-10-years-in-jail-for-shoplifting-in-china

As he shouldnt. The best of the ball brothers is lonzo, and he has absolutely no business in the nba, if the nba was about skill, and not preteen fans. I have never seen or heard of such terrible play from a pg since dj murray. This bum shoots 29 percent fg, 23 percent 3pt, and 53 percent ft... lol at anyone who says todays nba is skilled.

[SPURt]

As he shouldnt. The best of the ball brothers is lonzo, and he has absolutely no business in the nba, if the nba was about skill, and not preteen fans. I have never seen or heard of such terrible play from a pg since dj murray. This bum shoots 29 percent fg, 23 percent 3pt, and 53 percent ft... lol at anyone who says todays nba is skilled.
However he was planning on getting to the league, stealing bullshit material items in another country seems like the dumbest way to give up on the NBA dream. Your first sentence pretty much sums it up.

[eDizzle20]

Damn, LiAngelo Ball might not go even have a chance to play NBA ball:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743080-liangelo-ball-reportedly-could-face-3-10-years-in-jail-for-shoplifting-in-china
He’s finding out real quick that most countries don’t have as lenient shoplifting laws as the U.S. He should be happy he didn’t shoplift in a country where he ciuld have his hand removed for it.

[SPURt]

He’s finding out real quick that most countries don’t have as lenient shoplifting laws as the U.S. He should be happy he didn’t shoplift in a country where he ciuld have his hand removed for it.
So true.

[ECOV]

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Also, got to love Kristaps.
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Reminding me of Tim in this sequence:
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Love this dude. hope he joins the spurs one day!.

[sasaint]

Love this dude. hope he joins the spurs one day!.

He will in about 10 years.

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[BatManu20]

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[UZER]

He will in about 10 years.

:lol more like 15.

[BatManu20]

Wut


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[Robz4000]

Wut


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She immediately deleted it afterwards tho.

[BillMc]

:lol more like 15.

Still younger than Manu is now. :lol

[BillMc]

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Spurs win projection is the same as the Sixers. :wow What a difference a year makes.

[YGWHI]

Before we blame Spurs' slow starts...Being a 2nd half team is always the best. Ask Warriors.



OKC is the 3rd best first half net rating team in the league, Denver the 24th.

OKC is the 13th best in second half, Denver 8th.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/928835529902190592 (https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/928835529902190592)

[DAF86]

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What did Manu say?

Never mind. Now I can see it.

[YGWHI]

Joff range doesn't look bad at all

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He won't play against Bucks but maybe next game.

[BillMc]

Okc lost again. :toast

[raybies]

Okc lost again. :toast
they looking like a lottery team right now

[BillMc]

they looking like a lottery team right now

The Melo effect. I'm really hoping the Knicks end up with a better record than Thunder. Won't happen but would be funny.

[raybies]

The Melo effect. I'm really hoping the Knicks end up with a better record than Thunder. Won't happen but would be funny.
it could happen lol... was telling my friend the same thing about Melo. That's why I got pissed when they considered Melo as a member of a big 3 and not put LMA next to Leonard. Just found it disrespectful cause even last year LMA is better than Melo. We legit got a big 2 and surrounded them by a few HOF'ers and some solid youngins.

[BillMc]

it could happen lol... was telling my friend the same thing about Melo. That's why I got pissed when they considered Melo as a member of a big 3 and not put LMA next to Leonard. Just found it disrespectful cause even last year LMA is better than Melo. We legit got a big 2 and surrounded them by a few HOF'ers and some solid youngins.

LMA since he's been a Spur has had his ups and downs offensively but has played defense like Melo never has. Or will. Melo's going to be a HOFer because of the championship in college, because of the gold medals at the Olympics, and because he's scored a lot of points. But he, like Dwight Howard, will be one of those "meh" under-whelming selections.

Phil did a lot of things wrong in NY but he was right about Melo, just strange how he handled it because he torpedoed his options. Of course, I think Phil didn't care anymore and wanted to be fired so he could take Dolan's money and go home.

[raybies]

LMA since he's been a Spur has had his ups and downs offensively but has played defense like Melo never has. Or will. Melo's going to be a HOFer because of the championship in college, because of the gold medals at the Olympics, and because he's scored a lot of points. But he, like Dwight Howard, will be one of those "meh" under-whelming selections.

Phil did a lot of things wrong in NY but he was right about Melo, just strange how he handled it because he torpedoed his options. Of course, I think Phil didn't care anymore and wanted to be fired so he could take Dolan's money and go home.
Melo still thinks he's a number one option. It's probably gonna take some getting passed around for him to realize that the best role he has ever played was in the Olympics as a elite role player. For OKC that would be 3rd option and primarily spot up shooter. I dunno though, for some reason he just loves posting up, putting the ball over his head, maybe jab step and then jumper. It's like clockwork. Contested mid range jumpers that he is not efficient at no matter how much he makes in practice. But OKC actually played well in the first half. They moved the ball really well and it worked. Then second half comes and out comes the iso's. No surprise the chucking shot them out the game late. Just bad offense. They should be primarily running the 1-5 screen and roll, Westbrook and Adams, and kicking to shooters after they collapse the defense. Paul is almost identical to skill sets to Melo just he can play d. My friend made a good point that Mike D'Antoni would be the perfect coach for them. Imagine if he had that squad...

[TheDoctor]

Imagine if he had that squad...
To lose in the playoffs anyway. Its a MD’s tradition.

[Fireball]

well, looking at the standings a Denver loss would have been better ... but perhaps not in the long run

[BatManu20]

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[RD2191]

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A has been and a never was. :lol

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[raybies]

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all they needed was a star and with J simms they got production off the bench now. Interesting team to watch. Gordon's ascent to stardom plus solid play from Fournier, Ross and Big Vuc and makes sense why they are all of a sudden good. They just need an upgrade at point. Maybe they can get their hands on George Hill later in the season cause his production has fallen off a cliff in Sac and appears he doesn't want to be there...

[cd021]

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Even if Leonard were playing he'd be too old, Spurs fucked. :depressed :lol

[sasaint]

Spurs win projection is the same as the Sixers. :wow What a difference a year makes.

But also the absence of Kawhi and, to a lesser extent, Tony.

[tholdren]

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Nba trying to save game. Totally disregarding overall skill and going back to ppg. Smart with such trash coming out of college year after year. Best players in league are foreign. Sad aau and street ball caught up with the league

[BillMc]

A has been and a never was. :lol
:rollin

[BillMc]

To lose in the playoffs anyway. Its a MD’s tradition.

Like the May Pole, every Spring D'Antoni goes around and around and ends up nowhere. :lol

[BillMc]

Looking forward to see who wins the Thunder-Clippers implode-off tonight.

[Robz4000]

Looking forward to see who wins the Thunder-Clippers implode-off tonight.

Fingers crossed McVeigh rises from the dead to finish the job he started imo tbh fwiw.

[RD2191]

Fingers crossed McVeigh rises from the dead to finish the job he started imo tbh fwiw.

LMFAO. That's messed up.

[BillMc]

Fingers crossed McVeigh rises from the dead to finish the job he started imo tbh fwiw.
:lol:toast Listen to the frog folks, he knows of what he speaks.

[Robz4000]

LMFAO. That's messed up.

You're right. Let me send my thoughts and prayers in apology.

[BillMc]

Is Detroit genuinely good (by East standards) or is this fools' gold. Haven't watched them play.

[Robz4000]

Is Detroit genuinely good (by East standards) or is this fools' gold. Haven't watched them play.

They're a playoff team, especially if Drummond's huge improvement at the line isn't an anomaly. They'll need a decent trade for a non-cancerous PG who can shoot to be taken seriously, however.

[BillMc]

They're a playoff team, especially if Drummond's huge improvement at the line isn't an anomaly. They'll need a decent trade for a non-cancerous PG who can shoot to be taken seriously, however.

Thanks. :toast "A non-cancerous PG who can shoot" Hmmm....so what could they give us for Patty?

[DAF86]

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MIP for sure so far.

[Robz4000]

Thanks. :toast "A non-cancerous PG who can shoot" Hmmm....so what could they give us for Patty?

Avery Bradley :stirpot:

[BatManu20]

Baynes' elbow is lethal.


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[Robz4000]

Baynes' elbow is lethal.


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Baynes doing the lord's work.

[tholdren]

Baynes doing the lord's work.

Better than kl return tbh.

[YGWHI]

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In a perimeter-oriented league, initiating the offense from the post seems a bit antiquated and inefficient. It's fine against non playoffs teams but doesn't work against elite teams. That's why LMA didn't look that good against GSW and Celtics this season.

Most teams have guards/wings to carry the offensive load. Also, something is bad if your best guard is a 40 years old guy.

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[YGWHI]

Poor CoJo :D

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[SAGirl]

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In a perimeter-oriented league, initiating the offense from the post seems a bit antiquated and inefficient. It's fine against non playoffs teams but doesn't work against elite teams. That's why LMA didn't look that good against GSW and Celtics this season.

Most teams have guards/wings to carry the offensive load. Also, something is bad if your best guard is a 40 years old guy.

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you didn’t miss Pop posting up Manu right? Pop loves the post up. I bet eventually Dijon will be posting us since he’s so big for a PG... heh

but yeap Pop has invested in injured Tony and 50 Mills

[YGWHI]

you didn’t miss Pop posting up Manu right? Pop loves the post up. I bet eventually Dijon will be posting us since he’s so big for a PG... heh

but yeap Pop has invested in injured Tony and 50 Mills

Well, it's not like I'm worried about Spurs guards...

[YGWHI]

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Developing a wing...Chad Forcier did it again. :tu

[coachmac87]

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Called Orlando would be top 5 team in East after they beat us..

[Ice009]

Developing a wing...Chad Forcier did it again. :tu

I forgot Chad Forcier is there. Shit, that will be good for developing their guards and wings.

Wasn't he the guy that had the biggest hand in Kawhi's development? Maybe I'm wrong and it was mostly Kawhi himself that did all the work with a bit of guidance from Chad? How long has Chad been gone now?

[TD 21]

In a perimeter-oriented league, initiating the offense from the post seems a bit antiquated and inefficient. It's fine against non playoffs teams but doesn't work against elite teams. That's why LMA didn't look that good against GSW and Celtics this season.

Most teams have guards/wings to carry the offensive load. Also, something is bad if your best guard is a 40 years old guy.

:tu

Props for nailing the wording. All these idiots love to attempt to appeal to and brainwash the masses into thinking it's a "point guards league", when in reality most of the best players are either big wings or bigs who play like guards. For the most part, this sport will always be dominated by size; it's just the utilization of it that's changed.

[raybies]

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Definitely tuning in to this game

[BatManu20]

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Definitely tuning in to this game

Too bad ZaZa will be defending him. Embiid is way too big for Draymond. Still a good game to tune into.

[raybies]

In a perimeter-oriented league, initiating the offense from the post seems a bit antiquated and inefficient.(1) It's fine against non playoffs teams but doesn't work against elite teams.(2) That's why LMA didn't look that good against GSW and Celtics this season.

Most teams have guards/wings to carry the offensive load. Also, something is bad if your best guard is a 40 years old guy.


Not true. Post has it's uses. I'm just gonna stick to the West on this argument cause until we get out it's pointless.

(1)We struggled vs Golden State because we sorely missed Leonard. But in the playoffs and the last couple years the post has been effectively used like the running game in football where it slows pace, controls possession time, and puts the game into a half court grind it out which I'm assuming the elite teams you speak of are the modern day pace and space squads. Those teams have little experience in grind it out games cause they hardly ever do it. In the playoffs this same offense was dominating a GS team until we lost Leonard. LMA going up against Draymond is a tough matchup especially without a guard to set him up. It's a classic scenario in basketball or boxing for example when it comes down to who can do the best to dictate the pace of the game or play to their advantages.

Post game has dominated Houston, an elite team, and currently number 1 seed in the West. We also beat Minny who is another team that LMA and the post will be strong against. Memphis plays two bigs and will eventually be a post battle considering the personell. Lastly, I'd consider OKC if they come back as another team that a post game would be effective against but we haven't played them yet. With Melo at the 4 you only worry about Adams, but with two bigs, we got an advantage.

(2) LMA struggles vs Boston and GS had to do with who was mainly guarding him. Draymond and Horford are tough matchups for him. What it really comes down to is length that hurts the post. Same thing happened with Orlando and now with Milwaukee. In Orlando they had Gordon fronting the post and it nullified the high low cause how long and athletic he is. They couldn't get it over. Same with Milwaukee. They fronted with Giannis and they couldn't get it over. Had Rudy made half his shots or Patty or Danny or we have half as many turnovers we win. It wasn't really the post tonight as it was people not hitting their shots and turning the ball over. It was a team loss. Not some part of our game that was exposed. No X-File scene here. Just simple basketball. We didn't execute. Manu even said they forgot about Aldridge.

Bottom line is, you play to your strengths. It only seems antiquated cause the quality of bigs in the post is weak as compared to the past. It's kinda like how the old folks use to say a jump shooting team will never win the Finals and I still agree cause every frickin year GS is gifted a path to the finals due to injuries. It's amazing fortune. Even GS goes to the post with KD when they can't hit the broad side of a barn. I've watched every game this year. So with Leonard and them not hitting they have nothing cause KD can't efficiently score in the post against him. Like some of my dudes have already realized, KD was the difference in the playoffs last year cause nobody could guard him.

Edit: But I do believe there should be a balance. I think that's why Joff, has the chance to be a big piece later down the road cause of his roll ability and passing combination. It does diversify the offense and gives us another option. I personally prefer the roll game than the post because it involves more people, but we have no rollers right now. We don't have a point guard right now. We have one star and a lot of players over achieving just to eek out games. But as for the argument I think we have a strong post game with LMA and KL. I think you go to it early and get them going and when they start fronting or doubling you go to the pick and roll. That will make a team pick the poison. Right now we are handicap and got to use the limbs we got....

[raybies]

Too bad ZaZa will be defending him. Embiid is way too big for Draymond. Still a good game to tune into.
Embiid will eat ZaZa up. Then they'll put Draymond on him. :hungry

[jyra]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNCgw-obwU

[BatManu20]

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[BillMc]

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Rudy is a warrior. Achilles tear? No problem. Back pull? Let's go play. :toast

[sasaint]

Not true. Post has it's uses. I'm just gonna stick to the West on this argument cause until we get out it's pointless.

(1)We struggled vs Golden State because we sorely missed Leonard. But in the playoffs and the last couple years the post has been effectively used like the running game in football where it slows pace, controls possession time, and puts the game into a half court grind it out which I'm assuming the elite teams you speak of are the modern day pace and space squads. Those teams have little experience in grind it out games cause they hardly ever do it. In the playoffs this same offense was dominating a GS team until we lost Leonard. LMA going up against Draymond is a tough matchup especially without a guard to set him up. It's a classic scenario in basketball or boxing for example when it comes down to who can do the best to dictate the pace of the game or play to their advantages.

Post game has dominated Houston, an elite team, and currently number 1 seed in the West. We also beat Minny who is another team that LMA and the post will be strong against. Memphis plays two bigs and will eventually be a post battle considering the personell. Lastly, I'd consider OKC if they come back as another team that a post game would be effective against but we haven't played them yet. With Melo at the 4 you only worry about Adams, but with two bigs, we got an advantage.

(2) LMA struggles vs Boston and GS had to do with who was mainly guarding him. Draymond and Horford are tough matchups for him. What it really comes down to is length that hurts the post. Same thing happened with Orlando and now with Milwaukee. In Orlando they had Gordon fronting the post and it nullified the high low cause how long and athletic he is. They couldn't get it over. Same with Milwaukee. They fronted with Giannis and they couldn't get it over. Had Rudy made half his shots or Patty or Danny or we have half as many turnovers we win. It wasn't really the post tonight as it was people not hitting their shots and turning the ball over. It was a team loss. Not some part of our game that was exposed. No X-File scene here. Just simple basketball. We didn't execute. Manu even said they forgot about Aldridge.

Bottom line is, you play to your strengths. It only seems antiquated cause the quality of bigs in the post is weak as compared to the past. It's kinda like how the old folks use to say a jump shooting team will never win the Finals and I still agree cause every frickin year GS is gifted a path to the finals due to injuries. It's amazing fortune. Even GS goes to the post with KD when they can't hit the broad side of a barn. I've watched every game this year. So with Leonard and them not hitting they have nothing cause KD can't efficiently score in the post against him. Like some of my dudes have already realized, KD was the difference in the playoffs last year cause nobody could guard him.

Edit: But I do believe there should be a balance. I think that's why Joff, has the chance to be a big piece later down the road cause of his roll ability and passing combination. It does diversify the offense and gives us another option. I personally prefer the roll game than the post because it involves more people, but we have no rollers right now. We don't have a point guard right now. We have one star and a lot of players over achieving just to eek out games. But as for the argument I think we have a strong post game with LMA and KL. I think you go to it early and get them going and when they start fronting or doubling you go to the pick and roll. That will make a team pick the poison. Right now we are handicap and got to use the limbs we got....

:toast Well articulated argument. However, I don't think we have many players over-achieving. I think we have some young players still finding their way and some veterans playing very inconsistently. (The performances of Dijon, Bryn and BP3 last night - and Pop's ripping them when he pulled them from the game are my evidence.) Perhaps Danny's cumulative stats indicate that he is overachieving but actually he has been inconsistent, too. I don't view his floor game as "over-achieving" but, rather, "development." Without Kawhi we are pretty fortunate to be where we are as far as record and actual play are both concerned. With a little more consistency from a couple of our guys, we would be significantly better than we are. It bodes well for when Kawhi returns - if Pop doesn't send some of our young, inconsistent but developing players to the end of the bench in favor of old, inconsistent, developed players.

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[raybies]

:toast Well articulated argument. However, I don't think we have many players over-achieving. I think we have some young players still finding their way and some veterans playing very inconsistently. (The performances of Dijon, Bryn and BP3 last night - and Pop's ripping them when he pulled them from the game are my evidence.) Perhaps Danny's cumulative stats indicate that he is overachieving but actually he has been inconsistent, too. I don't view his floor game as "over-achieving" but, rather, "development." Without Kawhi we are pretty fortunate to be where we are as far as record and actual play are both concerned. With a little more consistency from a couple of our guys, we would be significantly better than we are. It bodes well for when Kawhi returns - if Pop doesn't send some of our young, inconsistent but developing players to the end of the bench in favor of old, inconsistent, developed players.
The gist of why I said that was because in wins we have like 5+ people in double figures. One game we 4 players at about 20+ points. These players wouldn't be playing that way with everyone healthy, I assume, and cause of lack of touches. But you are right they have been inconsistent and those inconsistencies have resulted in losses for the most part. Everybody has to pitch in and play well for us to win against almost anybody right now. Kawhi takes us to an elite level.

[kjhip1]

Sorry if repost, but take it for what it's worth, EN posted article with SA writers on kawhi injury. Some believe he could be back sooner rather than later.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/Writers-roundtable-Why-all-the-secrecy-around-12347566.php

[sasaint]

The gist of why I said that was because in wins we have like 5+ people in double figures. One game we 4 players at about 20+ points. These players wouldn't be playing that way with everyone healthy, I assume, and cause of lack of touches. But you are right they have been inconsistent and those inconsistencies have resulted in losses for the most part. Everybody has to pitch in and play well for us to win against almost anybody right now. Kawhi takes us to an elite level.

Yes, players' usage rates (and hence, stats) are inflated in Kawhi's absence. But to my eye, they are not really over-achieving. Things will definitely change when Kawhi returns.

In the not-so-distant past, having 4, 5 or 6 players scoring in double figures was not uncommon at all. That was when we had an inherently unselfish, great passing (and, yes, aging) Timmy as our BIG. (Sigh!)

[raybies]

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Wish we could get him somehow but we have no space or roles available. I think he'd be a perfect Spur. Maybe some of the Spurs tree can nab him like Brooklyn, Utah, or Atlanta

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[SAGirl]

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Jazz are f*cked. i think they will miss him more than the Spurs have missed Kawhi (and they obviously have missed him, losing some very winnable games, had Kawhi been playing.)

[raybies]

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[SAGirl]

Sorry if repost, but take it for what it's worth, EN posted article with SA writers on kawhi injury. Some believe he could be back sooner rather than later.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/Writers-roundtable-Why-all-the-secrecy-around-12347566.php
I had not seen that. Thanks for posting it.
It sounds like a bunch of speculation from the reporters... but still thanks. :tu

[Ice009]

What does it say? I can't view it.

[SAGirl]

What does it say? I can't view it.
I can't view it now, but I saw it when it was available (a short period of time I guess). It was a panel speculating on Kawhi's condition. Some are saying he could still be back this month and that no news doesn't mean bad news when it comes to the Spurs and how secretive they are about things like that.

[marinoman]

What does it say? I can't view it.
Just tried it, it works for me, try it now.
It’s 3 writers guessing. 2 of them say it’s just the spurs way, McDonald though goes a bit further and says he expects him back before tony

[BatManu20]

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BatManu20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33095)

Lol good call. :tu

[Ice009]

Just tried it, it works for me, try it now.
It’s 3 writers guessing. 2 of them say it’s just the spurs way, McDonald though goes a bit further and says he expects him back before tony

I'm not in the US so I can't view Express News articles. Not sure if they even work with a VPN? I also tried a VPN with a Dallas server and it still didn't work.

[YGWHI]

Not true. Post has it's uses. I'm just gonna stick to the West on this argument cause until we get out it's pointless.

(1)We struggled vs Golden State because we sorely missed Leonard. But in the playoffs and the last couple years the post has been effectively used like the running game in football where it slows pace, controls possession time, and puts the game into a half court grind it out which I'm assuming the elite teams you speak of are the modern day pace and space squads. Those teams have little experience in grind it out games cause they hardly ever do it. In the playoffs this same offense was dominating a GS team until we lost Leonard. LMA going up against Draymond is a tough matchup especially without a guard to set him up. It's a classic scenario in basketball or boxing for example when it comes down to who can do the best to dictate the pace of the game or play to their advantages.

(2) LMA struggles vs Boston and GS had to do with who was mainly guarding him. Draymond and Horford are tough matchups for him. What it really comes down to is length that hurts the post. Same thing happened with Orlando and now with Milwaukee. In Orlando they had Gordon fronting the post and it nullified the high low cause how long and athletic he is. They couldn't get it over. Same with Milwaukee. They fronted with Giannis and they couldn't get it over. Had Rudy made half his shots or Patty or Danny or we have half as many turnovers we win. It wasn't really the post tonight as it was people not hitting their shots and turning the ball over. It was a team loss. Not some part of our game that was exposed. No X-File scene here. Just simple basketball. We didn't execute. Manu even said they forgot about Aldridge.



There is a difference between using post-ups and initiating the offense from the post. The latter was fine in the 90's but not in 2017.

If you look at the article I posted, they explain using videos how much Spurs miss a player who can drive strong to the hoop/also creates space for shooters from his pick-and-rolls (Kawhi), then they show how Spurs guards fail in the same situations.

https://nbamath.com/sorry-lamarcus-aldridge-the-san-antonio-spurs-offensive-system-needs-kawhi-leonard/

Obviously Parker will set LMA better but he's losing the ability to consistently attack the rim against athletic-lenght teams.


Manu even said they forgot about Aldridge.
It's weird that Manu didn't see Bucks' defensive adjustments on LMA.
They did a great job denying LMA the ball, he was exhausted in the 4th quarter to fight for the ball and our guards...didn't have the best night.


Post game has dominated Houston, an elite team, and currently number 1 seed in the West.
Not really. Spurs use mostly-48' post ups strategy just in game 6.

[YGWHI]

How long has Chad been gone now?
He signed with Orlando in 2016.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-assistant-Chad-Forcier-will-be-top-8329578.php

[BatManu20]

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[tholdren]

Nba is a joke. Lonzo ball shoots worse than virtually anyone who would come out of high school, yet he starts in nba. Laughable that adults even watch this

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Fuck KD tbh.

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[r0drig0lac]

Fuck KD tbh.

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yep ..Durbitch is a most beta human ever

[SAGirl]

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Glad to see that man healthy playing that many minutes. two seasons ago that would have sounded impossible.

[BatManu20]

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[Chinook]

That's weird, but as least he didn't talk about Dennis Smith Jr.

[SAGirl]

That's weird, but as least he didn't talk about Dennis Smith Jr.
if you click that tweet the replies reveal that it all had to do with the meltdown they all suffered when after being up 20 points on the Cavs or however much they were up for, they ended up losing to the Cavs as Lebron and Korver cooked them in the 4th Q...

[BatManu20]

Never forget.

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[Robz4000]

Never forget.

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And now he plays in China...

[KDKSpurs24]

And now he plays in China...
That achillies injury had something to do with that tho.

[Robz4000]

That achillies injury had something to do with that tho.

Even before the Achilles injury he was regarded as a cancer.

[timtonymanu]

Interesting how Jennings and Tyreke Evans were the top 2 rookies from that year but it turned out they weren’t even close to the best players from that draft.

[Seventyniner]

And now he plays in China...

I remember that he played in Italy the year between graduating HS and being drafted. After that 55-point game there was buzz that one-and-done players would start following his lead and actually get paid in that gap year. Yeah, that fell apart pretty quickly.

If the G-League could actually offer decent salaries to HS players we could see a lot more of them play there instead of college. But the age limit is likely to go back down to 18 before G-League salaries get increased enough to matter.

[YGWHI]

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[YGWHI]

Before Mavs game...
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That's weird, but as least he didn't talk about Dennis Smith Jr.


if you click that tweet the replies reveal that it all had to do with the meltdown they all suffered when after being up 20 points on the Cavs or however much they were up for, they ended up losing to the Cavs as Lebron and Korver cooked them in the 4th Q...
Knicks fans whining about that Knicks vs. Cavs game:
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[SAGirl]

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[Chinook]

Orsborn needs someone to copy-edit his tweets something fierce.

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

good article on roleplayer Baynes being a difference maker for a team with championship aspirations.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21426398/aron-baynes-helps-boston-celtics-become-elite-defensive-nba-team

[YGWHI]

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If only he could play against the 2-11 Mavs 82 games...

[YGWHI]

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[YGWHI]

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:wow...:lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The Rondo fast break :lol Did he have 9 assists?

[SAGirl]

If only he could play against the 2-11 Mavs 82 games...
I won't rag on Lamarcus when he's the Spurs best current player and hugely responsible for the wins they have gotten this year.

They surely miss Kawhi, a lot, a whole lot, like the center of the Spurs universe is missing right now... but I have to cheer for the guys that are playing instead of incessantly whining that Kawhi and Tony are missing.

BTW they miss Tony too. I like Dijon a lot but he's obviously going through "the process"

and I have grown tired of Mills, playing outside of what should be his ideal role as a bench microwave shooter.

It's going to be a difficult season for the team if Kawhi stays out a lot longer. I am going to cheer and celebrate anyone who shows up be it against a tanking team or not.

[SAGirl]

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^^^ Patty is not there... Dijon is.

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[Ice009]

LOL. That Patty spending was the biggest fucking waste of money ever.

I'm going to start watching the 76ers for a while. Joel Embiid is the real deal. I tried watching some of the games last year, but he wasn't allowed to play on back to back and was on a minute restriction, so hopefully he can start showing his game now more consistently. Shaq, TD, and now hopefully Embiid can carry on where those two left off and bring real basketball back to the NBA with an emphasis on having great big men again.

[Fireball]

BTW they miss Tony too. I like Dijon a lot but he's obviously going through "the process"

and I have grown tired of Mills, playing outside of what should be his ideal role as a bench microwave shooter.

bad thing is even when TP is back and Mills is getting his microwave role again, I think right now Bryn Forbes fits into that role so much better ... he takes better shots and is not beaten that easily on defense (at least I have the feeling) ... I am just fed up with Patty running around like a headless chicken to get to a point where he might be able to chuck up a shot

[YGWHI]

I won't rag on Lamarcus when he's the Spurs best current player and hugely responsible for the wins they have gotten this year.
Of course he is. Against the Mavs of the league.

Could be nice if he gives us a good win against a Western Conference playoff team. That's what fans expect of the best player of a team.



I have to cheer for the guys that are playing instead of incessantly whining that Kawhi and Tony are missing.
I agree with Pop, the teams and fans have to act like Kawhi doesn't exist so I'm not whining about his absence.


“We have to play now, and other people have to take up those minutes, and we have to figure out who to go to when in a different way, and you just move on.”

This is the team we have now, I expect the best from our current best player now.

Who cares if he does well against Bulls and Mavs, I want LMA to play great against the teams that really count.

Don't give a shit if Kawhi or Parker aren't playing, just three weeks ago in many threads here, people told me that LMA was a better #1 option than Kawhi, that he could carry this team offensively...Well, it's time to start showing it.

[SAGirl]

Of course he is. Against the Mavs of the league.

Could be nice if he gives us a good win against a Western Conference playoff team. That's what fans expect of the best player of a team.

It's going to be really tough without Kawhi and you know that. It would be tough for Kawhi without him as well (and without Tony). Hate to rag on Pau bc he does have his limitations but is the second best Spurs player currently, but if he was Kawhi's only true big and he was running around with no PG, he'd have a tougher time too. He'd show up himself but face games where no one else can show up offensively to help and Pau and Patty get cooked on defense.

The team needs to be whole to play at their best frankly so it's unfair to criticize the guys who are playing and picking up a larger burden nightly. No one is saying he's on Kawhi's level.

Have you considered that Pop is staying mum bc they don't know when Kawhi will be back frankly and they have been hoping it's sooner rather than later since preseason. I hope he's back soon, but they can't accept excuses. They are figuring out how to compensate for his production and it's not going to be there nightly and against WCF playoff teams you need all your horses.

[raybies]

Of course he is. Against the Mavs of the league.

Could be nice if he gives us a good win against a Western Conference playoff team. That's what fans expect of the best player of a team.




I agree with Pop, the teams and fans have to act like Kawhi doesn't exist so I'm not whining about his absence.



This is the team we have now, I expect the best from our current best player now.

Who cares if he does well against Bulls and Mavs, I want LMA to play great against the teams that really count.

Don't give a shit if Kawhi or Parker aren't playing, just three weeks ago in many threads here, people told me that LMA was a better #1 option than Kawhi, that he could carry this team offensively...Well, it's time to start showing it.
You must be joking. Do you look at the stats or just rely on the eye test? Cause I believe it's a combination that can tell a story.

Aldridge is unquestionably the best player on the team without Kawhi. He has been very consistent. First people complained about his touches with lack of understanding, then criticized his FG% without knowledge(shooting above 50% right now btw), and what now, he doesn't get wins against Western playoff teams? Give me a break... sigh.

We played 4 games against Western Playoff Teams. Minny, GS, Clippers(at the time), and Minny again. That's 2-2.



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G
Date
Age
Tm
Opp

GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS
GmSc
+/-


1
1
2017-10-18 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201710180SAS.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
32-091
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
MIN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
W (+8)
1
38:49
9
21
.429
1
2
.500
6
7
.857
5
5
10
4
0
2
3
2
25
18.9
+15


8
8
2017-11-02 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201711020SAS.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
32-106
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
GSW (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
L (-20)
1
35:54
8
22
.364
2
4
.500
6
8
.750
5
5
10
2
2
2
2
3
24
17.6
-15


11
11
2017-11-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201711070SAS.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
32-111
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
LAC (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
W (+13)
1
32:43
10
19
.526
2
3
.667
3
3
1.000
1
5
6
2
1
2
1
3
25
19.5
+18


15
15
2017-11-15 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201711150MIN.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
32-119
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
MIN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2018.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool)
L (-12)
1
27:48
5
14
.357
0
1
.000
5
5
1.000
5
5
10
3
0
0
3
4
15
9.7





You could argue FG% all you want against these teams but he is producing or shall we look at what others brought to the table as well to get an overview. I hate looking at numbers in this regard but the defense is that he as focal point of the offense is producing a lion share. And last game he was in foul trouble.

So to you just wanting him to play well against the elite teams, well there is a reason they are elite. Elite teams have multiple options and we basically have one. Elite teams can shut him down because he is one. Kawhi is the dynamic. He is a transcendent star. LMA is not, but he has improved and he's doing the best he can.

We can't forget this guy is human. Everyone has struggles in life. I'm sure some of y'all can't even take the pressure of responsibility or the pressure of commitment, yet can rag on someone in his profession like every ball player is suppose to be perfect. But I get it, Tim set the bar pretty high, but that doesn't mean we have to hold him to Tim's standard. Aldridge is a great player and we are lucky to have him. He's a pro.

[BatManu20]

Durbeta is so soft. What did he expect?


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[Robz4000]

Durbeta is so soft. What did he expect?


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:lol what a fucking puss

[daslicer]

Durbeta is so soft. What did he expect?


931252024951410688

The Warriors winning keeps Kevin's fragile self esteem afloat. Whenever they are finally dethroned he will have an epic meltdown.

[raybies]

Durbeta is so soft. What did he expect?


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From a basketball fan speaking objectively, it was a b***h move. No way around that. Joining a 73 win team. Please someone try and spin this. I'll defend my team but it's impossible to defend that decision. A league without Kevin Durant on GS would be probably the most balanced it's been since I've been watching basketball. And they were the best without him. They just are not proven in the playoffs without him. A fluke ride to the title the first go round and lost the second in historic fashion. I mean even a guy like Simmons has more competitive class than him.

[SPURt]

Durbeta is so soft. What did he expect?


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[rjv]

:lol what a fucking puss

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/11447284/kevin-durant-crying.jpg

[spursistan]

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Most unreported story of this season so far is Miami pulling a poor man's PATFO last offseason after they believed their own hype of vaunted"culture" and "system" only to realize this team is actually not good..

[tholdren]

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^^^ Patty is not there... Dijon is.

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If you use net rating as evidence for anything you are an idiot. Plain and simple

[TheDoctor]

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[diego]

with the cavs looking weak, wouldn't it be poetic for boston to beat gs in the finals? one of the best KD suitors that he turned down for a sure thing, of course id rather the spurs beat them first but if they dont, celtics are looking good.

[objective]

931000090629722112

Most unreported story of this season so far is Miami pulling a poor man's PATFO last offseason after they believed their own hype of vaunted"culture" and "system" only to realize this team is actually not good..

Old execs with foggy eyes living in the past, sad to see.

[Nathan89]

with the cavs looking weak, wouldn't it be poetic for boston to beat gs in the finals? one of the best KD suitors that he turned down for a sure thing, of course id rather the spurs beat them first but if they dont, celtics are looking good.

Boston has no chance vs gsw in a series. It would be fun just seeing them make it after the flack kyrie got for wanting to leave that shitty environment though.

[K...]

Celtics have a chance. Fatigue is why theywon tonight and defense exposes fatigue. They're younger than gsw and therefore less likely to get injured. Unless Cavs recover, or the spurs recover, Celtics the clear number two team. I mean kyrie just got there, chemistry isn't set yet, it's just talent.

[daslicer]

Celtics have a chance. Fatigue is why theywon tonight and defense exposes fatigue. They're younger than gsw and therefore less likely to get injured. Unless Cavs recover, or the spurs recover, Celtics the clear number two team. I mean kyrie just got there, chemistry isn't set yet, it's just talent.

Celtics have athletes at every position and are the best team in the league at defending the 3. Warriors are not used to playing a team that can rotate and switch fast. They overwhelmed the Warriors at times with the their defense tonight.

[diego]

If brown and tatum keep improving look out. And don't discount Stevens effect either, I think they definitely have a chance vs the warriors

[SAGirl]

with the cavs looking weak, wouldn't it be poetic for boston to beat gs in the finals? one of the best KD suitors that he turned down for a sure thing, of course id rather the spurs beat them first but if they dont, celtics are looking good.
It would be poetic indeed

[raybies]

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Most unreported story of this season so far is Miami pulling a poor man's PATFO last offseason after they believed their own hype of vaunted"culture" and "system" only to realize this team is actually not good..
Fake news

[99 Problems]

We say it each season but this season GS bench is empty.

[Fireball]

We say it each season but this season GS bench is empty.
which means nothing in the playoffs ... they have Iggy, West, Livingston and Young off the bench ... I do not see any big difference to last season ... adding the fact that this is Durants second season the whole machinery works even better

[TimDunkem]

which means nothing in the playoffs ... they have Iggy, West, Livingston and Young off the bench ... I do not see any big difference to last season ... adding the fact that this is Durants second season the whole machinery works even better

People will say anything to convince themselves that anyone out West has a shot...Doesn't matter about the bench really anyway. No one has the adequate balance of defense and offense to keep up with their three point shooting and passing game.

[spursistan]

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It could get ugly real quick in Memphis..There was always huge risk giving long max contracts to all core three players (Conley/Gasol/Parsons) who each happen to have a major health red flag..

I would have probably sold high on Conley after last year playoffs..

[raybies]

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It could get ugly real quick in Memphis..There was always huge risk giving long max contracts to all core three players (Conley/Gasol/Parsons) who each happen to have a major health red flag..

I would have probably sold high on Conley after last year playoffs..
Have to look at there schedule but they were already struggling. They could be a late lottery team now...

[raybies]

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Don Thibs? Thibs da Boss?

[spursistan]

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14. Ben Simmons
15. Griffin
16.Embid
17. PG13
18. Gasol
19.Jokic
20. CP3 or A.Drummond


I quite remember when Simmons was an interesting and knowledgeable voice on the NBA (late 2000s-early 2010s)..He's really become a lame hot-take machine the past couple of years....

[NASpurs]

Sixers just put up 47 points on the Warriors... in the first quarter. :lol

[raybies]

Sixers just put up 47 points on the Warriors... in the first quarter. :lol
Coach Bret is coaching a great game. He's not giving them any chance to get back in the game. But 76ers have a great squad. Once they figure it out, they'll be exponentially dangerous. Want to see how they come out in the second half...

[SAGirl]

Great to see Philly with this level of confidence and fight in them, they really were a sad group without Ben Simmons and a healthy Embiid.

[raybies]

Great to see Philly with this level of confidence and fight in them, they really were a sad group without Ben Simmons and a healthy Embiid.
they have consistently played hard tho for Bret, they just severely lacked talent.. His/their time is coming. Boston and Philly look scary. Who would of thought Hinkie was actually a genius and miracle worker.

[raybies]

Embiid is a man child. He's like big man LeBron James if he can stay healthy.

[raybies]

nuclear meltdown in Philly

[raybies]

47-15 3rd for Warriors

[DAF86]

How do you lose a quarter by 32 fucking points?

[daslicer]

How do you lose a quarter by 32 fucking points?

Bret Brown screwed up with the rotations. He had Embiid and Simmons sitting on the bench for too long in the third. By the time he had put them both back in the lead had been cut down by single digits.

[raybies]

Bret Brown screwed up with the rotations. He had Embiid and Simmons sitting on the bench for too long in the third. By the time he had put them both back in the lead had been cut down by single digits.
Embiid hit the stanchion and was down for awhile. Imo it killed the spirits, but that indeed interrupt the rotations.

[raybies]

How do you lose a quarter by 32 fucking points?
This is much worse than what they did to us.. They got their full squad. The turnaround in one half is like :wow

[daslicer]

Embiid hit the stanchion and was down for awhile. Imo it killed the spirits, but that indeed interrupt the rotations.

I felt that was the turning point. It was a stupid play Embiid. That play lead to the lead being cut down to 11. After that the Sixers just quit.

[daslicer]

This is much worse than what they did to us.. They got their full squad. The turnaround in one half is like :wow

It's frustrating the Warriors probably have had the most comebacks from 20 plus point leads in the last few years.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

We say it each season but this season GS bench is empty.

They are toying with the league. They are 100 times better than the second place team.

[SPURt]

They are toying with the league. They are 100 times better than the second place team.
Do you mean 100 times better than the first place team? The Celtics and stuff

[TheRemix]

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I quite remember when Simmons was an interesting and knowledgeable voice on the NBA (late 2000s-early 2010s)..He's really become a lame hot-take machine the past couple of years....

Kawhi behind harden and giannis...lmfao.

[99 Problems]

I saw Kawhi schooling 4 all stars until someone else steps up or Kawhi fails to recover it's a Kawhi for me at the top.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Do you mean 100 times better than the first place team? The Celtics and stuff

They would annihilate Boston in a series, playoffs warriors >>>>> regular season warriors

They are bored as hell and just going through the motions. Boston would be lucky to push he serie past five games.