Official 2017-18 NBA Season Thread

[spurraider21]

dno if thats the same kid for sure, but :lol

[r0drig0lac]

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Looks like Williams really loves playing in LA. I can't imagine him having a hard time getting that type offer from a decent team in the offseason.

he is on a decent team

[Hoops Czar]

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Looks like Williams really loves playing in LA. I can't imagine him having a hard time getting that type offer from a decent team in the offseason.
While the Spurs pay Paddy 12+M for the next 4 years. Insane!

[Spurs da champs]

Lou Williams loves LA and he loves no pressure, dude was straight cheeks in the Playoffs.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

Pistons win again, 5 in a row.

[BatManu20]

Drummond is averaging 18 pts, 20 rbs, 3.5 asts, 3 blks, & 3 stls since Detroit traded for Blake, and they're 5-0 in that time.


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[ace3g]

Due to leaky roof

Clifton Brown @CliftonGBrown
(https://twitter.com/CliftonGBrown) now (https://twitter.com/CliftonGBrown/status/961430331034406912)
#Pacershttps://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/NBA_2017_18_IND/NBA_2017_18_IND.png (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pacers) and #Pelicans (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pelicans) game has been officially cancelled.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

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So he's definitely going to LA.

[TheDoctor]

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Hard Cold Facts.

[KDKSpurs24]

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Wow this man straight up said LA. He didn’t even say “I don’t even know what I’m gonna do in free agency yet”. So this basically means he’s going. He shouldn’t have even said anything.

[tholdren]

Wow this man straight up said LA. He didn’t even say “I don’t even know what I’m gonna do in free agency yet”. So this basically means he’s going. He shouldn’t have even said anything.

Well hes overrated, so let him go be useless in la. Bout det nightlyfe doe

[Arcadian]

That was quite a Duncan-esque closeout by Lebron, with the blocked shot and the fadeaway jumper for the win.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVfMIwYX0AA9GPA.jpg:large

[Arcadian]

^Like Duncan over Shaq/Malone in '04

[SpurPadre]

That was quite a Duncan-esque closeout by Lebron, with the blocked shot and the fadeaway jumper for the win.

Except he didn't leave .04 left on the clock, tbh.

[BatManu20]

Well hes overrated, so let him go be useless in la. Bout det nightlyfe doe

PG is not overrated :lol. He's having a hell of a year and is the frontrunner for DPOY.

[SpurPadre]

PG is not overrated :lol. He's having a hell of a year and is the frontrunner for DPOY.

He's not overrated at all...he's just not as good as a healthy Kawhi no matter what Durant thinks.

[BatManu20]

Sucks.


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[pad300]

Question, has the Lou Williams extension set the market for Tyreke Evans this summer? They both had really good seasons. Tyreke is 3 years younger but has a much worse injury history. Lou got the MLE for 3 years. If this is how the market goes, there are going to be good players available for cheap this summer...

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

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[Dex]

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:lol Snub tweet incoming from Ben Simmons and the Australian Parliament

[gambit1990]

blake facing his former team tonight.

[DPG21920]

OKC lost to the Lakers again. Ridiculous.

[Dex]

OKC lost to the Lakers again. Ridiculous.

No Westbrook or Melo, but still looked bad. They have no bench at all.

[Jules_Winnfield]

:lol Snub tweet incoming from Ben Simmons and the Australian Parliament

:rollin

Sixers fans were already celebrating for him tbh. :lol

[Jules_Winnfield]

No Westbrook or Melo, but still looked bad. They have no bench at all.

...and no MVDre. That's two and a half starters.

Paul George as a first option. :lol

[Ice009]

No Westbrook or Melo, but still looked bad. They have no bench at all.

Oh, I just looked at the final score, didn't realize those two didn't play. Where they resting or out injured?

[gambit1990]

Oh, I just looked at the final score, didn't realize those two didn't play. Where they resting or out injured?
"ankle injuries"

[Jules_Winnfield]

Oh, I just looked at the final score, didn't realize those two didn't play. Where they resting or out injured?

Them ankles..

[Jules_Winnfield]

Sh1t, didn't saw that.. and now I'm padding my posts.

[gambit1990]

if la got injured would they let manu replace him? :lol

[Jules_Winnfield]

Sh1t, didn't see that.. and now I'm padding my posts.

[.G.]

reggie miller, greg anthony, rip hamilton calling the OKC game... disgusting.
Just dawned on me that when RIP dies people will be saying, “RIP RIP”

Meh

[DPG21920]

Oh, I just looked at the final score, didn't realize those two didn't play. Where they resting or out injured?

They lost to LA with everyone healthy. The point of them losing without Russ/Melo though is that LA doesn’t have Russ/Melo type players either. LA without Russ/Melo is better than OKC without Russ/Melo and having PG. Stands to reason that LA with PG is better than OKC (given it’s just a couple of games). But something to watch and really bad form OKC losing to LAL twice in a row knowing PG literally only talks about LA as the other team he would play for.

[spurraider21]

Sucks.


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the only important question is if the driver was in this country legally

[gambit1990]

interested in seeing the new look cavs.

[BatManu20]

Trying to get paid this offaeason.

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[pad300]

Trying to get paid this offaeason.

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If he does opt out, I suspect he is making a mistake. This is going to be a dry FA season...

[Atl Spur]

I wish him the best�� We need to upgrade our two guard position anyway.

[spursistan]

Trying to get paid this offaeason.

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But he could easily end up with Lou Williams or J.Simmons money.. League is seems to be hurtling toward a financial crunch ..

At best, I could see 3ys/39 millions with team option for Green if he is going to improve on that 10 per annum he is getting right now...

[Chinook]

Unless he's trying to negotiate am extension

[SAGirl]

Trying to get paid this offaeason.

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It might for sure be a different team next year.

[MaNu4Tres]

It might for sure be a different team next year.

And when he opts out, Spurs will have a 15 million dollar cap hold. Will they renounce? If so, they can't re sign him if they're over the cap.

Patty and Pau deals were so bad.

They were so bad they deserve to be mentioned this often.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully SA is working on an extension. Less per year but longer years. 3/27M for Danny.

[Atl Spur]

Hopefully SA is working on an extension. Less per year but longer years. 3/27M for Danny.

I hope not!

[DPG21920]

I hope not!

Unless they pull a ton of moves, SA will struggle to improve the roster. Losing Danny would leave a hole with not much room to fill that void.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hopefully SA is working on an extension. Less per year but longer years. 3/27M for Danny.

I hope so. I hear I'll be happy if Spurs can't afford him because Patricia is getting his 12 million.

[DPG21920]

I hope so. I hear I'll be happy if Spurs can't afford him because Patricia is getting his 12 million.

:lmao I kind of want it to happen because I’ve never seen someone go from a 10 to an 11 on the anger scale before.

[Leetonidas]

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[objective]

I hope so. I hear I'll be happy if Spurs can't afford him because Patricia is getting his 12 million.

And there's no one to replace him in the roster if he walks.

They had insurance with Simmons.

But if Green walks ... And Manu retires ...

Time for PATTY MILLS A to start at shooting guard!

[CGD]

If he does opt out, I suspect he is making a mistake. This is going to be a dry FA season...

This. Spurs have a lot of leverage here, Bird right and an expected tepid market.

[MaNu4Tres]

And there's no one to replace him in the roster if he walks.

They had insurance with Simmons.

But if Green walks ... And Manu retires ...

Time for PATTY MILLS A to start at shooting guard!

The deal was beyond bad on many levels. Can't believe some people here defended it.

[tholdren]

The deal was beyond bad on many levels. Can't believe some people here defended it.

Its too early to tell stfu

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Dame goes for 50 in 3 quarter just one week after CJ McCollum drops 50 in 3 quarters. Wild.


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[Snaq O'Meal]

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:lol NBE refs

[Leetonidas]

Dame goes for 50 in 3 quarter just one week after CJ McCollum drops 50 in 3 quarters. Wild.


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Lillard gets no hype tbh....look at ESPN scoreboard and it just says "Lillard lifts Blazers past Kings" :lol

[AFMadison]

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And of course Chicago wins by 1

[NASpurs]

With the way OKC and the TWolves are always dropping games, playing .500 ball from here to the end of the season MIGHT keep the Spurs in the 3rd seed and probably no worse than the 5th seed.

[spursistan]

With the way OKC and the TWolves are always dropping games, playing .500 ball from here to the end of the season MIGHT keep the Spurs in the 3rd seed and probably no worse than the 5th seed.
A slumping, injury-ravaged Spurs team is begging to be passed in the standings and yet those bum ass teams blew them are still fucking around and eating bad Ls at full-strength..

"3rd in the West bitches!" :lol

[davi78239]

I kinda don't mind spurs slipping in standings. Higher draft pick

[gambit1990]

rockets added: gerald green, joe johnson, brandan wright

spurs added: darrun hillard

[Dex]

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Fucking Houston man, becoming Warriors 2.0. All these bitch players trying to stack the deck. Miss the days guy wanted to beat the best instead of just joining them.

[djohn2oo8]

Fucking Houston man, becoming Warriors 2.0. All these bitch players trying to stack the deck. Miss the days guy wanted to beat the best instead of just joining them.

Rockets haven't won anything yet.

[Dex]

Rockets haven't won anything yet.

True, but they became one of the favorites the second CP3 joined Harden, and it's showing with all of these vets flocking to them just like they did with the Warriors and the Heatles.

Considering the way the Spurs are spiraling though, I'd be happy if Rockets can just take out GSW.

[TheDoctor]

Dame goes for 50 in 3 quarter just one week after CJ McCollum drops 50 in 3 quarters. Wild.


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Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.

[weeks]

Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.
:lol

[TimDunkem]

Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.

:lmao

[gambit1990]

Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.
:lol

[BatManu20]

Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.

:lol

[tholdren]

True, but they became one of the favorites the second CP3 joined Harden, and it's showing with all of these vets flocking to them just like they did with the Warriors and the Heatles.

Considering the way the Spurs are spiraling though, I'd be happy if Rockets can just take out GSW.

Irony of worthelss spurs fans. Lets go ring chase. You make me sick

[Dex]

Irony of worthelss spurs fans. Lets go ring chase. You make me sick

The fuck are you talking about?

For me, Spurs winning always comes first.

Currently, Warriors losing comes second.

[weeks]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22390425/isaiah-thomas-come-bench-vs-dallas-mavericks-los-angeles-lakers-debut

"Isaiah Thomas to come off bench vs. Mavericks in Lakers debut
Isaiah Thomas (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas) will come off the bench when he makes his Los Angeles Lakers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers)debut ‪Saturday night against the Dallas Mavericks (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks).
Lakers coach Luke Walton confirmed Saturday afternoon to reporters that he did not plan to make any changes to his starting lineup. Walton and Thomas had dinner together in Dallas on Friday and discussed expectations and roles, sources told ESPN.

[BillMc]

When was the last official team comment on Kawhi's health? I mean all the info is tightly controlled and its like no one can even ask Pop about it anymore. I think "indefinitely" is all we know? Are we hoping for first game after the all-star break?

[spursistan]

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Duncan never winning a single DPOY remains the biggest travesty in the history of sport awards..

[objective]

Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.

Ouch

[Brunodf]

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Duncan never winning a single DPOY remains the biggest travesty in the history of sport awards..
Always splitting votes tbh but every smart NBA fan knows that he was at least top5 all time

[TD 21]

But he could easily end up with Lou Williams or J.Simmons money.. League is seems to be hurtling toward a financial crunch ..

At best, I could see 3ys/39 millions with team option for Green if he is going to improve on that 10 per annum he is getting right now...



Think Spurs trepidation with Green is, in this market, he's probably not worth Mills money, but if they don't initially offer that or don't altogether, it'll be difficult to for him to reconcile a similarly aged, less valuable and more easily replaceable player getting that a year earlier; particularly considering the solid he did them in '15.

The only way I could see Green not getting Mills money, is if they trade Mills. I wouldn't be surprised if they look to do so. Although this one would come a year late, they have a history knowing when it's time to cut bait with beloved role players (Johnson, Bowen, Finley, Hill, Diaw, Bonner), when they screwed up with a contract and finding a way to dump said contract (Rose, Nesterovic, Jefferson). Also, if Parker is going to play 3 more years, the two are untenable together defensively in perpetuity, particularly against elites.

Their success in doing so likely hinges on finding a trade similar to the Mirotic one, which could become something of an archetype, with tons of teams trying to dump bloated contracts and draft picks being treated like gold. That means getting a useful player back, who makes something similar, but with lesser term. My 3 team trade proposal for Walker would accomplish that.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Meh, PATFO dropped 50 in one minute.

:lol

[SAGirl]

well, at least Kyle should have ruined Durant's bid for an all defensive team nomination or something.
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[Snaq O'Meal]

well, at least Kyle should have ruined Durant's bid for an all defensive team nomination or something.
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Unlike Poop’s precious hobbitses, Kyle has done pretty well against the Twinks. Don’t be surprised if they have their eyes on him when he becomes a free agent.

[jermaine]

Unlike Poop’s precious hobbitses, Kyle has done pretty well against the Twinks. Don’t be surprised if they have their eyes on him when he becomes a free agent.

The Lakers will get him. They're gonna overpay once they realize they can't get LeBron.

[Robz4000]

Baynes might've just taken out Lebron's knee.

[sasaint]

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Duncan never winning a single DPOY remains the biggest travesty in the history of sport awards..

Shame on the NBA!

[NASpurs]

:lmao :lmao :lmao that Cavs rookie missing an open dunk

https://streamable.com/topyk

[ace3g]

LeBron's new teammates so far

Cavaliers



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C. Osman (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3893016/cedi-osman) SF
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4
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T. Thompson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6474/tristan-thompson) C
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4
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0
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3
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6


G. Hill (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill) PG
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12


J. Smith (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2444/jr-smith) SG
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L. Nance Jr. (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580365/larry-nance-jr) PF
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0-2
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0
0
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J. Green (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3209/jeff-green) SF
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J. Clarkson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528426/jordan-clarkson) PG
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0
1
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1
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R. Hood (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581177/rodney-hood) SG
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0-0
0
2
2
0
0
1
0
0
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K. Korver (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2011/kyle-korver) SG
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0
0
0
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0
1
0
1
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A. Zizic (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4017838/ante-zizic) PF
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J. Calderon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon) PG
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J. Holland (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2282117/john-holland) SG
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[TimDunkem]

Cavs proving that you can make big moves, break up bffs, and still put out a great product on the floor.

[NASpurs]

Gotta admire how the Cavs sent their old farts to NBA purgatory in the middle of the season, got young talent in the process and now are thrashing their main rivals. Who would had thought you could do that...

[Hoops Czar]

Celtics are overrated garbage.

[TimDunkem]

Gotta admire how the Cavs sent their old farts to NBA purgatory in the middle of the season, got young talent in the process and now are thrashing their main rivals. Who would had thought you could do that...

Definitely not the content old farts who make the decisions and content, fat, old fart fans who are now Suns/Mavs fans that want to give other teams a turn.

[weeks]

Gotta admire how the Cavs sent their old farts to NBA purgatory in the middle of the season, got young talent in the process and now are thrashing their main rivals. Who would had thought you could do that...

but it's so hard seeing your friends traded :depressed

they have to go be millionaires somewhere else

[DPG21920]

Gotta admire how the Cavs sent their old farts to NBA purgatory in the middle of the season, got young talent in the process and now are thrashing their main rivals. Who would had thought you could do that...

Well if you have a healthy star like Lebron and are willing to lose a ton of money, then sure!

[Hoops Czar]

Gotta admire how the Cavs sent their old farts to NBA purgatory in the middle of the season, got young talent in the process and now are thrashing their main rivals. Who would had thought you could do that...


Once the shine and glow of the new acquisitions wears off, then we'll see how good Cleveland is. Right now, they're riding an emotional high.

[Mr. Body]

Once the shine and glow of the new acquisitions wears off, then we'll see how good Cleveland is. Right now, they're riding an emotional high.

They're far better than they were before. Maybe it didn't work, but they're much better.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Celtics are overrated garbage.

Wouldn't call them garbage but I never beleved in them as a championship team. Who's the team's second best player? Jaylen Brown? Jason Tatum? Al Horford? Either way that's not going to win anything.

[SpurPadre]

Dedmon had 20 points and13 boards today...that's more in 1 game than Joffrey gets in 10 games...way to go PATFO!

[HarlemHeat37]

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<3..that jump shot is looking pretty, looks like Bud had him work on it after he struggled on offense down the stretch with SA..38% from 3 and over 50% on mid-range Js..

[TimDunkem]

This team had Dedmon, Simmons, and Lee as backups last year and yet some people insist that this is the same team that was up big on the Warriors. :lol

Between failing to find adequate replacements for these guys, to regression from key players, and the vets just getting older, there is no way that this team has a chance even if Kawhi can move well enough to wipe his own ass again.

[tholdren]

This team had Dedmon, Simmons, and Lee as backups last year and yet some people insist that this is the same team that was up big on the Warriors. :lol

Between failing to find adequate replacements for these guys, to regression from key players, and the vets just getting older, there is no way that this team has a chance even if Kawhi can move well enough to wipe his own ass again.

Oh the doom... if spurs are healthy they will beat gsw in 7

[TimDunkem]

Oh the doom... if spurs are healthy they will beat gsw in 7
Too bad Kawhi can't even wipe his own ass yet.

[SAGirl]

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<3..that jump shot is looking pretty, looks like Bud had him work on it after he struggled on offense down the stretch with SA..38% from 3 and over 50% on mid-range Js..
Spurs should not have alienated him and let him go... he is paid a very reasonable low sum for an NBA center.... could play against athletic teams too. Pop giving out the GAsol deal was :vomit:

[tholdren]

Too bad Kawhi can't even wipe his own ass yet.

Meh i dont give a shit about him. Hes an iso 2nd option. Trade him for gordon

[tholdren]

Tatum and gordon for mills and leonard. Fair

[SAGirl]

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no chemistry and new teammates.... if he pulls up something similar to Oladipo in the coming seasons... the Orlando Magic have to.. I don't know... :wow

[SAGirl]

Cavs proving that you can make big moves, break up bffs, and still put out a great product on the floor.
Spurs would have needed to break up the gang as you know... the fact Kiwi is injured just makes it easier for them to stand pat... they can always explain everything away bc he's not playing.

[Jules_Winnfield]

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no chemistry and new teammates.... if he pulls up something similar to Oladipo in the coming seasons... the Orlando Magic have to.. I don't know... :wow

Orlando swapped Victor Oladipo, Tobias Harris, Domantas Sabonis and Dario Saric for Ersan Ilyasova, Brandon Jennings, Serge Ibaka and Elfrid Payton.

Ilyasova in not on the team anymore.

Jennings is out of the league.

Ibaka and Payton were traded for Terrence Ross and a second round pick.

:hat:rollin

[Jules_Winnfield]

Oladipo
Fournier
Harris
Gordon/Saric
Vucevic/Sabonis


+ few role players

[r0drig0lac]

This team had Dedmon, Simmons, and Lee as backups last year and yet some people insist that this is the same team that was up big on the Warriors. :lol

Between failing to find adequate replacements for these guys, to regression from key players, and the vets just getting older, there is no way that this team has a chance even if Kawhi can move well enough to wipe his own ass again.

team advanced stats told me they are not very good

[tbdog]

The idea was that we would get Gay and Parker up to speed. Along with LMA in a familiar system, and an improved mvp candidate, we were meant to give Warriors a run.

[sasaint]

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no chemistry and new teammates.... if he pulls up something similar to Oladipo in the coming seasons... the Orlando Magic have to.. I don't know... :wow

Hair Peyton! I love him!

[Clipper Nation]

Celtics are overrated garbage.
Even Brad Stevens can only do so much to cover up the stench of a Kyrie "led" team, tbh.

[mo7888]

Tatum and gordon for mills and leonard. Fair

With Gordon's contract and broken leg they would need to include either brown or the la 1st they hold but, they are one of only a few teams that can build an attractive package.

[SAGirl]

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[ace3g]

Pistons starting to fade now. Good to see Okafor back.

Pelicans



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A. Davis (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis)PF
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1
9
10
1
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38


E. Okafor (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2399/emeka-okafor)C
14
4-10
0-0
0-0
6
1
7
0
0
1
0
3
-5
8


R. Rondo (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)PG
30
3-8
2-5
0-0
0
5
5
8
0
1
3
4
-7
8


J. Holiday (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)PG
35
8-16
0-2
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0
3
3
12
2
1
2
2
+22
21


E. Moore (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6460/etwaun-moore)SG
14
0-7
0-2
0-0
2
2
4
4
1
0
0
4
-4
0


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
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DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
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C. Diallo (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3919335/cheick-diallo)PF
17
2-4
0-0
0-0
1
4
5
1
0
2
0
2
+6
4


N. Mirotic (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6459/nikola-mirotic)PF
29
7-16
4-8
3-3
0
12
12
1
1
0
0
3
+11
21


D. Miller (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6610/darius-miller)SF
30
4-8
4-7
0-0
0
1
1
1
0
0
2
1
+9
12


I. Clark (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2489785/ian-clark)SG
29
1-5
1-3
1-1
0
6
6
2
0
0
2
4
+16
4


C. Cooke (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2988387/charles-cooke)SG
1
0-1
0-1
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+0
0


D. Liggins (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6453/deandre-liggins)SG
6
1-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
1
1
0
0
1
+9
2


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44-100
14-34
16-16
10
43
53
31
6
7
11
25

118




44.0%
41.2%
100.0%

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV3n4wpWsAEivFQ.jpg:large

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV3n4wpWsAEivFQ.jpg:large
ace has really gone nostalgic on us.

[objective]

Emeka > Joff

[spursistan]

The only way I could see Green not getting Mills money, is if they trade Mills. I wouldn't be surprised if they look to do so. Although this one would come a year late, they have a history knowing when it's time to cut bait with beloved role players (Johnson, Bowen, Finley, Hill, Diaw, Bonner), when they screwed up with a contract and finding a way to dump said contract (Rose, Nesterovic, Jefferson). Also, if Parker is going to play 3 more years, the two are untenable together defensively in perpetuity, particularly against elites.

Their success in doing so likely hinges on finding a trade similar to the Mirotic one, which could become something of an archetype, with tons of teams trying to dump bloated contracts and draft picks being treated like gold. That means getting a useful player back, who makes something similar, but with lesser term. My 3 team trade proposal for Walker would accomplish that.



Before Thursday's deadline, the Philadelphia 76ers, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder were among teams believed to be interested in trading for him, league sources said. Those teams do have roster spots available to sign a free agent.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22384105/guard-marco-belinelli-finalizing-buyout-agreement-atlanta-hawks

According to a Woj report on the Belinelli buy out talks the Spurs were among the teams interesting in trading for him. I wonder which player on our side was going out in a possible transaction? It sure as hell not Green.

After the Splitter fiasco the Hawks weren’t doing any salary-dumps favors for them, not of this magnitude, and not without including our first. With the uncertainty around Leonard return and a brutal schedule coming, the Spurs weren’t ready to let go of a pick that is practically an Aldridge health flare-up (knee, heart..) away from dipping into the lottery. .

I hope though that’s the real window into their thinking. Dumping Mills should be the first order of business this summer. He’s turned into a bigger abortion than I expected. Between the roster redundancy and ample evidence of him proving terrifyingly useless against the Warriors and other contenders for about 3 years now it is time to move one.

As for Parker, I think his relegation to the bench should help in greasing the wheels for him getting talked into a major paycut. I think you had him at 9-10 millions per annum salary in previous thread. I don’t think he is going to get that barring another rollback the years playoffs performance. Not happening.

Again, I’m afraid to say, they NEED an embarrassing playoffs sendoff for this front office to be awakened up from its slumber. You could feel this whole edifice is teetering here..

[gambit1990]

cle v okc tonight.

[SAGirl]

963180706917531648

[TD 21]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22384105/guard-marco-belinelli-finalizing-buyout-agreement-atlanta-hawks

According to a Woj report on the Belinelli buy out talks the Spurs were among the teams interesting in trading for him. I wonder which player on our side was going out in a possible transaction? It sure as hell not Green.

After the Splitter fiasco the Hawks weren’t doing any salary-dumps favors for them, not of this magnitude, and not without including our first. With the uncertainty around Leonard return and a brutal schedule coming, the Spurs weren’t ready to let go of a pick that is practically an Aldridge health flare-up (knee, heart..) away from dipping into the lottery. .

I hope though that’s the real window into their thinking. Dumping Mills should be the first order of business this summer. He’s turned into a bigger abortion than I expected. Between the roster redundancy and ample evidence of him proving terrifyingly useless against the Warriors and other contenders for about 3 years now it is time to move one.

As for Parker, I think his relegation to the bench should help in greasing the wheels for him getting talked into a major paycut. I think you had him at 9-10 millions per annum salary in previous thread. I don’t think he is going to get that barring another rollback the years playoffs performance. Not happening.

Again, I’m afraid to say, they NEED an embarrassing playoffs sendoff for this front office to be awakened up from its slumber. You could feel this whole edifice is teetering here..

Don't know if Nets would still be interested in Mills, since they took on Crabbe's contract, but even if they aren't, Marks should do Spurs a solid. There's no chance he'd have even been on the radar to being a GM (his "pedigree" was 1 season as an assistant coach and 1 as Toros GM) if he weren't affiliated with them at the time when their star was shining brightest.

They've got to pay Lin slightly more next season anyway, so if they're swapped, it's really just 2 extra seasons. It's not like they're going to be a free agent destination anytime soon anyway.

Said yesterday that I admittedly overshot it on most Spurs in that thread. Parker definitely isn't getting $9-10M. Think his number will ultimately be largely dependant on whatever they have left after they take care of most of their business.

[TheDoctor]

963277734070898688

[Robz4000]

Kawhi is gonna be shut down for the season. Makes zero sense to bring him back with a few weeks to go in the season.

[Leetonidas]

Kawhi is gonna be shut down for the season. Makes zero sense to bring him back with a few weeks to go in the season.

Agreed. If he isn't back after the RRT there is no point to keep bullshitting the fans. Just rule him out so the team can stop worrying about it and focus.

[Seventyniner]

Kawhi is gonna be shut down for the season. Makes zero sense to bring him back with a few weeks to go in the season.

Completely disagree if he is actually 100% healthy. The Spurs have to see what they can do with a full roster.

[Robz4000]

Completely disagree if he is actually 100% healthy. The Spurs have to see what they can do with a full roster.

Even if he's 100% healthy if they only have 4-5 games to go it won't be enough time for him to get into basketball shape or build chemistry; hell, he could just as easily get hurt again. If the Spurs are barely hanging on to a playoff spot or are on the outside looking in it makes even less sense.

[TimDunkem]

Even if he's 100% healthy if they only have 4-5 games to go it won't be enough time for him to get into basketball shape or build chemistry; hell, he could just as easily get hurt again. If the Spurs are barely hanging on to a playoff spot or are on the outside looking in it makes even less sense.

Which is one reason why the roster was downright ugly to begin with. With a healthy Kawhi, the team will go back to relying on him on just about every possesion. It's going to put a lot of stress on those legs.

[YGWHI]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV5CAWKVMAA7Ibv.jpg

[YGWHI]

Can't see Lakers/Clips/Pels making playoffs.

[Chinook]

Which is one reason why the roster was downright ugly to begin with. With a healthy Kawhi, the team will go back to relying on him on just about every possesion. It's going to put a lot of stress on those legs.

If they go back to relying on him, it will be because of Kawhi holding the ball more than anything. You can think the non-Kawhi Spurs suck as much as you want, but LMA is not going to defer to Kawhi unless Pop forces him to, and Murray not having the ball would pretty strongly fuck up the spacing. Unless Bertans starts instead of Pau or Kyle, Green's going to be the only starter who should be giving the ball up to the point of dependence.

[TimDunkem]

If they go back to relying on him, it will be because of Kawhi holding the ball more than anything. You can think the non-Kawhi Spurs suck as much as you want, but LMA is not going to defer to Kawhi unless Pop forces him to, and Murray not having the ball would pretty strongly fuck up the spacing. Unless Bertans starts instead of Pau or Kyle, Green's going to be the only starter who should be giving the ball up to the point of dependence.

Between all the inexplicable things Pop has done this season, I don't exactly think that it's a forgone conclusion that Pop will figure this roster out. At least not this season.

[Chinook]

Between all the inexplicable things Pop has done this season, I don't exactly think that it's a forgone conclusion that Pop will figure this roster out. At least not this season.

I think that's very true. And depending on when Kawhi would return, I don't know how much I'd blame him. Something has to give on the three PGs thing. Either Parker has to start again or Patty has to get out of the rotation. If Bertans is going to be the 11th man, then either Gay or Kyle is going to be an awkward fit with a post-centric first unit. Forbes is getting regular rotation minutes inexplicably (not because he sucks but because there isn't room for that many guards). It just makes matters that much worse that pretty much every rotation player other than Bryn and Patty have suffered some type of moderate injury so far this season, so it's not like Pop can really depend on guys to play regular minutes here.

[SAGirl]

If they go back to relying on him, it will be because of Kawhi holding the ball more than anything. You can think the non-Kawhi Spurs suck as much as you want, but LMA is not going to defer to Kawhi unless Pop forces him to, and Murray not having the ball would pretty strongly fuck up the spacing. Unless Bertans starts instead of Pau or Kyle, Green's going to be the only starter who should be giving the ball up to the point of dependence.

I think it was early January that I said I would stop "worrying" as in discussing potential fully healthy rotations bc the way it was looking, they weren't going to be. I can't claim I was prophetic or anything, the tea leaves didn't really require much foresight to read. Pop hasn't really committed to Bertans starting the way he has been firm that Dijon is the team's starting PG. He said Bertans is going to start for now. We can consider it a trial, but he has played reasonably well. I'd assume he starts. Dejounte and Kiwi have to figure things out. I don't think Pop will demote him after the fanfare about him starting. I think they will continue to park him in the dunker spot under the rim when others are posting up, they can have him cut too as he's doing. The amount of midrange shots he's taking and floaters off the dribble will go down, specially coming off screens, but as far as cutting he can have whatever he wants.

Kyle is the one who is going to the bench which is probably a big help to them since they have munckin lineups galore and could use his help. He has reasonably good chemistry with Gasol and he is the one you can park in the dunker spot when Rudy posts up in the bench. Anyways, I have no doubt they will figure it out. Kiwi is a tremendous talent and they will be so much better.

Problem is I don't see them fully healthy... hope to be wrong. I'd like to see the team fully healthy after the ASB.

Edit... I don't know how you play Tony, Patty and Manu and bench Kyle the rest of the season once the team is fully healthy and if that happens, it doesn't seem right. That would for sure signal the end for him staying in the team this summer, though they may be heading in that direction anyways.

[YGWHI]

and Murray not having the ball would pretty strongly fuck up the spacing

Dejounte and Kiwi have to figure things out .

I always wonder why the Spurs drafted a PG that can't shoot if his life depends on it...I mean, I really like DJ but I expected he would develop that aspect of his game.

Most teams -cause Kawhi's game- would surround him with reliable 3-point shooters but they drafted Murray and Kyle as main picks in last 3 years...

If they truly believed that DJ could improve his 3-p shooting...This is not happened.

[Ice009]

963277734070898688

So Rudy isn't even back first game after the All-Star game?

And what the fuck is the point of Kawhi coming back if it's not shortly after the All-Star break? What, is he going to play 10 games with minutes restrictions? That would be a waste of time. If he comes back with 20 games to go, I'd like him back to see him in full form so the team can decided for sure on the Supermax.

What a fucking joke this has all turned out to be.

[SAGirl]

I always wonder why the Spurs drafted a PG that can't shoot if his life depends on it...I mean, I really like DJ but I expected he would develop that aspect of his game.

Most teams -cause Kawhi's game- would surround him with reliable 3-point shooters but they drafted Murray and Kyle as main picks in last 3 years...

If they truly believed that DJ could improve his 3-p shooting...This is not happened.

You can't really be choosy when you draft guys at 30 and 29. They could have potentially targeted other players that we will never find out about but they weren't available when they drafted. They do have Forbes in the team specifically bc of his shooting ability... and he's one of those guys that can be out of the rotation and keep coming back into play bc he can shoot.

I think for Kyle and Murray they hoped they were able to add the 3 pt shot. They drafted Kiwi who was a complete non shooter in college and some guys' shots can be fixed. Kyle's shot is entirely too slow to ever really be that impactful... Murray really just can't shoot. He shot 15 % on 3 attempts per game last season in the dleague and as you can see he's a reluctant and not accurate shooter. For the benefit of his own career, Murray has to figure it out. Kyle too, though he might be on his way out, so who cares?

They did pay big sums of money to both Patty and Pau who shot the 3 well last season, so there you have sort of an answer as to what the Spurs did to address their shooting.

[dabom]

I think Dejounte benefits the most when Kawhi comes back. Murray, Green, Kawhi, LMA, Bertans looks really good.

Kawhi is an elite rebounder and LMA, Murray are good for their size and green can get his own. Bertans is the weakest but it doesn't matter.

You got 3 point shooters Kawhi and Green and Bertans, slashers Bertans and Kawhi and Murray.

Murray is a decent PG and Kawhi can actually take all ball responsibilities and Murray can get the rebound for easy points.

We got good 1 on 1 wing defenders for switches. Bertans has some lateral quickness. LMA is the only bad one but he used to it. And he saves the team energy. And the rotation guys are all good size.

I like this full roster team potential.

[dabom]

It's gonna take time to gel but we got a good team if Kawhi comes back.

[dabom]

Patty Manu Gay fathead Pau looks good off the bench. That's strong right there.

[dabom]

Someone tell me they don't like the line ups.

[YGWHI]

They did pay big sums of money to both Patty and Pau who shot the 3 well last season, so there you have sort of an answer as to what the Spurs did to address their shooting.

But you know the main reason wasn't their 3-point shooting. Culture, chemistry, Pau's loyalty contract after failing to sign CP3, :shootme...were the most accurate versions.

[TheDoctor]

I think Dejounte benefits the most when Kawhi comes back...

...I like this full roster team potential.

No shit Captain Obvious DJ's gonna benefit when Kawhi comes back. The whole team will do including 50Mills.

As for now, Murray is still raw in talent and besides being lanky (which I dont know if it is a talent) and being able to rebound (sometimes to a fault when tapping his own misses at the rim). His defense in whole is not there tho' sometimes he shows flashes of an elite defender and then other times looks meh.

Another thing is that in the NBA a PG has to show the ability to SCORE consistently to put pressure on a defense. Right now Dejounte is nowhere that. But as a late round pick we don't have much to go on but hope.

I like this team's potential (when healthy) too.

[Ice009]

Man, that trade looks like a good one for the Cavs so far. They're filled with athletic guys that are in that SF size range that you want. I think, if they jell defensively, they have the potential to be able to fly around the court and D up teams.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are filled with unathletic midgets. Who the fuck constructed this roster thinking it would do good/great outside of Kawhi and LMA.

[r0drig0lac]

If they go back to relying on him, it will be because of Kawhi holding the ball more than anything. You can think the non-Kawhi Spurs suck as much as you want, but LMA is not going to defer to Kawhi unless Pop forces him to, and Murray not having the ball would pretty strongly fuck up the spacing. Unless Bertans starts instead of Pau or Kyle, Green's going to be the only starter who should be giving the ball up to the point of dependence.

just watch the games

[KDKSpurs24]

Man, that trade looks like a good one for the Cavs so far. They're filled with athletic guys that are in that SF size range that you want. I think, if they jell defensively, they have the potential to be able to fly around the court and D up teams.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are filled with unathletic midgets. Who the fuck constructed this roster thinking it would do good/great outside of Kawhi and LMA.
I’m just upset that they GAVE the Cavs a team (again). I remember a few years ago the Cavs were not going to come close to winning a title until they made that trade with Denver and NY and gave up basically nothing. And now here we go and they let them get away with an even bigger heist. I don’t care what anyone says, this team now can challenge GS on equal terms. Lakers must not want Lebron anymore because he might just stay if they win it now. Huge gamble.

[spurraider21]

with all the injuries we've had to the backcourt this year its really puzzling that white hasn't gotten time. but i think its safe to say pop's handling of young players tends to be the most frustrating aspect of his performance from a fan's perspective

[dbestpro]

The Spurs focus needs focus at all levels.

[BatManu20]

963945690182406145

[spursistan]

Doc Rivers has done a better coaching job than Pop this season with mostly an inferior roster..

Watching even some lottery-bound teams run a more fluid offense than the Spurs' is the saddest basketball reality of 2018..

[spursistan]

Belinelli >> Fat 50Mills

[spursistan]

Heat should have stayed "moved on" from Wade...Don't think he adds anything to them at this point though he accepted a bench role..

And it is maybe time to start calling Winslow a bust? Dude has shown zero sustained development since entering league..

[SAGirl]

Belinelli >> Fat 50Mills
they need to get rid of him. I truly, really believe their inquiries at the trade deadline were about trading him.. but they likely got stuck bc teams asked for a 1st round pick, which considering the uncertainty may be valuable to them.. and the fact other teams also probably asked for Danny's expiring deal in exchange and didn't want to take on Mills.

[spursistan]

they need to get rid of him. I truly, really believe their inquiries at the trade deadline were about trading him.. but they likely got stuck bc teams asked for a 1st round pick, which considering the uncertainty may be valuable to them.. and the fact other teams also probably asked for Danny's expiring deal in exchange and didn't want to take on Mills.
Yeah, our first was probably a deal breaker in whatever trade they were discussing that involved Mills..Standings-wise, Spurs were dicing too close with the lottery to surrender that pick at the deadline..

PS..Ferrari 17 Points (7-12 FG) buried the Heat in 4th to lead the Embiidless Philly to a crucial win in the East playoffs race..

[SAGirl]

Yeah, our first was probably a deal breaker in whatever trade they were discussing that involved Mills..Standings-wise, Spurs were dicing too close with the lottery to surrender that pick at the deadline..

PS..Ferrari 17 Points (7-12 FG) buried the Heat in 4th to lead the Embiidless Philly to a crucial win in the East playoffs race..
Something 50 hasn't pulled off for the spurs.
Sure he light up Phoenix when the team was already up 40+ points...

[dabom]

MVPatty was putting daggers in the Finals while pinto was a zero. :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

MVPatty was putting daggers in the Finals while pinto was a zero. :lmao

* was

Marco belinelli 815,000 > broke ass paddy Mills 4 years $50M

[spursistan]

* was

Marco belinelli 815,000 > broke ass paddy Mills 4 years $50M

[Chinook]

And it is maybe time to start calling Winslow a bust? Dude has shown zero sustained development since entering league..

Half the Heat fans on RealGM were pimping him as the main piece in a LMA trade...









The other half thought he was way too valuable to give up for Aldridge. :lmao

[dabom]

Half the Heat fans on RealGM were pimping him as the main piece in a LMA trade...









The other half thought he was way too valuable to give up for Aldridge. :lmao

:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Clippers about to beat the overrated Celtics. Without Kawhi, Spurs playoff chances are in serious jeopardy.

[spurs10]

Clippers about to beat the overrated Celtics. Without Kawhi, Spurs playoff chances are in serious jeopardy.
Yep!

[SAGirl]

Lou Williams winning this game against Boston. He's terrible defensively, but so is Paddy... Lou > Paddy. Is also a real bucket getter and was reupped for $8 million a year.

paddy's deal keeps looking worse and worse.

[Hoops Czar]

The Clippers are walking proof that you don't need top shelf talent to win NBA games. Pop apologists. :lol

[TimDunkem]

The Clippers are walking proof that you don't need top shelf talent to win NBA games. Pop apologists. :lol

Honestly, a lot of their pieces are better.

Lou is better than any guard on this team, Teodosic is a better playmaker than anyone on this team, DeAndre is better than all of our bigs not named Aldridge, Gallo is better than any wing on our team not named Kawhi, Bradley is better than Mills, Harrell is better than Lauvergne, Tobias Harris would easily be the third best player on our team, and I could go on. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Honestly, a lot of their pieces are better.

Lou is better than any guard on this team, Teodosic is a better playmaker than anyone on this team, DeAndre is better than all of our bigs not named Aldridge, Gallo is better than any wing on our team not named Kawhi, Bradley is better than Mills, Harrell is better than Lauvergne, Tobias Harris would easily be the third best player on our team, and I could go on. :lol

Yeah, but who on that team is better than Kyle Anderson or Danny Green? What about our system? Det cultural environmenrt? Ginobili? Architect Pop? :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Warriors getting pasted by Portland. Don't look now, but if the Warriors were to lose, the Spurs would only be 12 back in the loss column. Still lots of season left.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, but who on that team is better than Kyle Anderson or Danny Green? What about our system? Det cultural environmenrt? Ginobili? Architect Pop? :lol

3RD IN DA WEST DOE

[spursistan]

Warriors getting pasted by Portland. Don't look now, but if the Warriors were to lose, the Spurs would only be 12 back in the loss column. Still lots of season left.
We are the only team that is still getting toyed with by this coasting Warriors while others are getting them while they can :lol..

It is kinda starting to look dicey for the Spurs as far as even making the playoffs: Jazz and Clippers seemingly won't go away; Nuggets will get Millsap back; and the Pelicans are starting to right the ship after the initial demoralization post-Cousins Achilles.

With the brutal schedule ahead and no Kawhi, could see the unfathomable happens. Shit about to get real..

[Ice009]

So last season when I told you guys the Spurs should try hard to trade Patty to the Lakers for Lou Williams, why did you all say no??????

[dabom]

So last season when I told you guys the Spurs should try hard to trade Patty to the Lakers for Lou Williams, why did you all say no??????
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willilo02.html
:lmao

[Spurs9]

Bill Walton announcer on Warriors/portland game :wow. Missed him tbh :lol

[TimDunkem]

I love Bill Walton. Absolutely hilarious. :lmao

[NASpurs]

:lol as a kid, I used to hate Bill Walton when he was on NBC. Now as I'm older, I miss the old stoner and his hyperboles.

[SAGirl]

Lillard with 44 pts pulls the upset of GSW.
Durant pours 50.. not enough. GSW bench practically didn't help at all.

It highlights how terrible det Paddy/Pau/Forbes bench gave the game to GSW against the Spurs the last time.

[daslicer]

Lillard with 44 pts pulls the upset of GSW.
Durant pours 50.. not enough. GSW bench practically didn't help at all.

It highlights how terrible det Paddy/Pau/Forbes bench gave the game to GSW against the Spurs the last time.

No it doesn't illustrate that. It illustrates the Spurs without Kawhi and Gay being out don't have perimeter players capable of scoring 20 or more to keep up with the Warriors. Keep in mind CJ McCollum also scored 29 for the Blazers

[Atl Spur]

So, who would you rather coach your team? Doc or Pop?

[SAGirl]

No it doesn't illustrate that. It illustrates the Spurs without Kawhi and Gay being out don't have perimeter players capable of scoring 20 or more to keep up with the Warriors. Keep in mind CJ McCollum also scored 29 for the Blazers
I am highlighting how awful the GSW bench did in that case vs appearing world beaters vs the Spurs bench.. talking about bench play...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I am highlighting how awful the GSW bench did in that case vs appearing world beaters vs the Spurs bench.. talking about bench play...

Ot$

[SAGirl]

I don’t follow OKC but apparently they miss Andre Roberson more than one would have thought l. Their losing skid has been explained by his patellar tendon injury.

An article about it:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunder-are-falling-apart-without-andre-roberson/?addata=espn:nba:index

[r0drig0lac]

Doc Rivers has done a better coaching job than Pop this season with mostly an inferior roster..

Watching even some lottery-bound teams run a more fluid offense than the Spurs' is the saddest basketball reality of 2018..

The team that Jerry West created is one of the deepest in the league, and certainly better built than spurs

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

* was

Marco belinelli 815,000 > broke ass paddy Mills 4 years $50M


Marco would be an upgrade over Patty this year, even with matching deals.

[TD 21]

The team that Jerry West created is one of the deepest in the league, and certainly better built than spurs

:lol Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.

[tholdren]

:lol Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.

Bwahahahahha

[r0drig0lac]

:lol Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.

this is really stupid, I wonder why you thought it was some case of racism veiled or shit like that, certainly not because of my history in this forum, sorry if my opinion (which I'm sure is correct) is different from yours, I think you will have to live with it.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

:lol Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.

For the record, I like blite people...or is it whack people?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.
I've watched every game. We're winning in spite of Doc's retarded coaching. He literally plays Milos and Lou in lineups together on a regular basis - need I say more?

[bklynspursfan]

I don’t follow OKC but apparently they miss Andre Roberson more than one would have thought l. Their losing skid has been explained by his patellar tendon injury.

An article about it:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunder-are-falling-apart-without-andre-roberson/?addata=espn:nba:index

That was a huge loss for them, lot of people close to them thought it would impact them a great deal.

[SAGirl]

That was a huge loss for them, lot of people close to them thought it would impact them a great deal.
That’s too bad. One can’t feel that much sympathy for them bc Spurs injuries are worse. I am not one to be wishing guys got injured but why don’t the GSW get the injury bug. Heck Durant and Westbrook lost some playoff appearances and seasons to injuries while they were in OKC. Spurs got the injury bug each of the last 3 season’s (Tim’s knee in 2016, Tiago’s calf and Tony’s hamstring + Kawhi’s hand in 2015, last season Zaza happened but Kiwi was already limping since the Houston series, this year has by far been the worse of Kawhi’s era...)

I am slightly concerned that Kiwi’s hamstring turns out like Tiago’s calf. No one ever found out how yo make him better and he eventually retired. That would be awful but if Kawhi doesn’t come back this season I don’t know how anyone can feel relieved.

[daslicer]

That’s too bad. One can’t feel that much sympathy for them bc Spurs injuries are worse. I am not one to be wishing guys got injured but why don’t the GSW get the injury bug. Heck Durant and Westbrook lost some playoff appearances and seasons to injuries while they were in OKC. Spurs got the injury bug each of the last 3 season’s (Tim’s knee in 2016, Tiago’s calf and Tony’s hamstring + Kawhi’s hand in 2015, last season Zaza happened but Kiwi was already limping since the Houston series, this year has by far been the worse of Kawhi’s era...)

I am slightly concerned that Kiwi’s hamstring turns out like Tiago’s calf. No one ever found out how yo make him better and he eventually retired. That would be awful but if Kawhi doesn’t come back this season I don’t know how anyone can feel relieved.

It will eventually happen to them to. Injuries are unpredictable but if you play long enough in this league no team escapes them. The Lakers during the 80's were relatively injury free until Magic tore his hamstring in the '89 Finals and then in '91 they lost Worthy and Byron Scott to injuries. Celtics were also relatively injury free for most of the 80's up until the end of the 80's where they lost Bird for a season due to a back injury. They also got screwed in the '87 finals when McHale broke his foot. The early '00 Lakers never suffered injuries to their key players until the '03 playoffs when Rick Fox broke his foot. In a few years the Warriors will get some injuries simply from playing more games in the playoffs which gives more opportunities for injuries to happen.

[Snaq O'Meal]

That’s too bad. One can’t feel that much sympathy for them bc Spurs injuries are worse. I am not one to be wishing guys got injured but why don’t the GSW get the injury bug. Heck Durant and Westbrook lost some playoff appearances and seasons to injuries while they were in OKC. Spurs got the injury bug each of the last 3 season’s (Tim’s knee in 2016, Tiago’s calf and Tony’s hamstring + Kawhi’s hand in 2015, last season Zaza happened but Kiwi was already limping since the Houston series, this year has by far breen the worse of Kawhi’s era...)

The Warriors are a younger team, and workload is shared more equally due to their wealth of talent. With the Spurs, older players are more susceptible to injuries. And stars like Kawhi had to shoulder a heavier burden of dragging useless midgets along, especially on the defensive end. To see them break down like that is not unusual.

[Chinook]

The Warriors are a younger team, and workload is shared more equally due to their wealth of talent. With the Spurs, older players are more susceptible to injuries. And stars like Kawhi had to shoulder a heavier burden of dragging useless midgets along, especially on the defensive end. To see them break down like that is not unusual.

The Spurs are an elite defense without him (and Dedmon, who was carrying a bunch of the load on that end too). It's hard to act like he was covering for a bad defensive cast when they're doing just fine on that end without him. Obviously on offense, Kawhi DID shoulder a huge load, whether he had to or not. It still doesn't mean he should have broken down, though. His workload was not larger than that of most stars his age.

[SAGirl]

The Spurs are an elite defense without him (and Dedmon, who was carrying a bunch of the load on that end too). It's hard to act like he was covering for a bad defensive cast when they're doing just fine on that end without him. Obviously on offense, Kawhi DID shoulder a huge load, whether he had to or not. It still doesn't mean he should have broken down, though. His workload was not larger than that of most stars his age.
and he still had his minutes managed. he still was rested occasionally. It's tough to argue Tom Thibodeau stuff with coach Pop.

[TD 21]

this is really stupid, I wonder why you thought it was some case of racism veiled or shit like that, certainly not because of my history in this forum, sorry if my opinion (which I'm sure is correct) is different from yours, I think you will have to live with it.

Like I said, it's typical. I'm not saying it was conscious on your part, but I see it all the time.



I've watched every game. We're winning in spite of Doc's retarded coaching. He literally plays Milos and Lou in lineups together on a regular basis - need I say more?



:lol
Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.

[r0drig0lac]

Like I said, it's typical. I'm not saying it was conscious on your part, but I see it all the time.






man, I did not even mention the team record or training, just his roster, which changed completely with Jerry West going to the Clippers (in my opinion a team much less dependent on his "stars"), I really did not understand his point at least in relation to my post

[tholdren]

:lol Typical. Refusing to give a black (or in his case, mixed) coach credit. Whether he actually deserve it or not is besides the point. The reality is, if he were white (or in his case, 100% white), he'd be receiving it.

Let me guess, the players are mostly responsible for Raptors and Pacers success, but the coach is for Celtics and Jazz? Never fails.

You suck racist

[YGWHI]

After more than half season we can say that Rockets are showing signs that Jeff Bzdelik adjustments work finally...

And CP3, PJ Tucker, MaM were exactly what they needed on the defensive end.

I also expected some Harden/CP3 personalty-collapse but didn't happen... I hate to watch these Rockets.

[Clipper Nation]

Like I said, it's typical. I'm not saying it was conscious on your part, but I see it all the time.





My analysis has nothing to do with race. Doc is an awful coach, as proven by the results.

Furthermore, Doc gets WAY more credit from the media than he's ever deserved. He's arguably the most overrated coach of all time in any sport. So much for your theory.

[TD 21]

My analysis has nothing to do with race. Doc is an awful coach, as proven by the results.

Furthermore, Doc gets WAY more credit from the media than he's ever deserved. He's arguably the most overrated coach of all time in any sport. So much for your theory.

That comment wasn't directed at you and once again, the point wasn't that he's necessarily a good coach, it's that people generally base whether a coach is good or not off results . . . except when the coach is black.

Maybe until the past few years. Since then, it's become popular to criticize him at every turn.

[spursistan]

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He Gone.

[Spurs da champs]

Pelicans have surrounded him with garbage, even with Cousins they were a low seed. If only he could end up here.

[Das Texan]

anthony davis for kawhi and send new orleans some la trash.

[Leetonidas]

Davis would be a nice get for Leonard but dude has to go to the locker room every 2 games. He has to lead the league in trips to the locker room during a game

[spursistan]

Davis would be a nice get for Leonard but dude has to go to the locker room every 2 games. He has to lead the league in trips to the locker room during a game
Kawhi misses more games per season than Davis and it will not be even close after this season...Dude is about to sit an entire year for being "sore".

Let's just end with the clichés and regurgitated false impressions :lol..

[TimDunkem]

Leonard is indeed averaging less games per season than AD...

Jesus Christ. :lol

[dabom]

Kinda easy when he only played 4 playoff games total. :lol

[BillMc]

966077365657985029

He Gone.

Where does Kawhi's uncle want AD to play?

[cd98]

966077365657985029

He Gone.

Kawhi is rumored to want to play in LA.

[Dex]

Kawhi is rumored to want to play in LA.

According to a bunch of nobodies on SpursTalk.

[cd98]

According to a bunch of nobodies on SpursTalk.

I know it's lame, but I was playing on LA (Los Angeles) and LA (Louisiana). I don't think Kawhi is going anywhere. But what do I know?

[MaNu4Tres]

According to a bunch of nobodies on SpursTalk.

Or from one of the Spurs' doctors. Sorry not all of us can contribute 20K posts like you Dex.

One day I wish I can be just like you tbh..

[Seventyniner]

Or from one of the Spurs' doctors. Sorry not all of us can contribute 20K posts like you Dex.

One day I wish I can be just like you tbh..

A team doctor thinks Kawhi wants to play in LA?

[jermaine]

Kawhi misses more games per season than Davis and it will not be even close after this season...Dude is about to sit an entire year for being "sore".

Let's just end with the clichés and regurgitated false impressions :lol..

Not being funny but this is sad an true. Just to Think Tony has had surgery, an this nigga is just sore. Getting 18mil. If tbis bitch ass nigga is really just sitting out or mad over the roster, how could the Spurs keep this dude. Which leads me to believe the Spurs has to be in on this. Ain't no way the Spurs would pay out 18mil for a player to keep them in total darkness, distance himself from the team, an stop using team trainers an doctors. If that finds to be true, fuck the Spurs an Kawhi. I'll never watch another Spurs game in my life. An throw away all my spurs gear. An it alot of gear.

[Dex]

Or from one of the Spurs' doctors. Sorry not all of us can contribute 20K posts like you Dex.

One day I wish I can be just like you tbh..

I give your report more credit than probably any other report that has come out on Kawhi here since you are a long time poster.

End of the day, tho...you are still just some dude on a message board. I’ll believe he is gone when he is gone.

[MaNu4Tres]

I give your report more credit than probably any other report that has come out on Kawhi here since you are a long time poster.

End of the day, tho...you are still just some dude on a message board. I’ll believe he is gone when he is gone.

I could careless about giving "my report" credit. I just despise people that make condescending jabs about someone they don't even know.

Then again, it's my fault for expecting anything better in a place like this.

Guess that's why I've only posted 7K times in 12 years on here.

[Dre_7]

Or from one of the Spurs' doctors. Sorry not all of us can contribute 20K posts like you Dex.

One day I wish I can be just like you tbh..

A team Doctor? Please explain. That is big news if true.

[MaNu4Tres]

A team Doctor? Please explain. That is big news if true.

No, I'm good thanks.

[dabom]

I give your report more credit than probably any other report that has come out on Kawhi here since you are a long time poster.

End of the day, tho...you are still just some dude on a message board. I’ll believe he is gone when he is gone.

Damn Son! :lol

[weeks]

I give your report more credit than probably any other report that has come out on Kawhi here since you are a long time poster.

End of the day, tho...you are still just some dude on a message board. I’ll believe he is gone when he is gone.

i hope you're right. there's just a ton of smoke here. not a lot of water being issued either by PATFO

[dabom]

i hope you're right. there's just a ton of smoke here. not a lot of water being issued either by PATFO

There is no smoke. Wtf? :lol

[Dre_7]

No, I'm good thanks.

:lol ok

[Dre_7]

Just weird that Kawhi would tell a team Doctor that he wanted to go to LA. Even though according to some he isn't even talking to team Doctors. Weird.

[TheDoctor]

I could careless about giving "my report" credit. I just despise people that make condescending jabs about someone they don't even know.

Then again, it's my fault for expecting anything better in a place like this.

Guess that's why I've only posted 7K times in 12 years on here.

Ahhhhhhhhh

https://m.popkey.co/56716d/rkzX6.gif

[Leetonidas]

Kawhi misses more games per season than Davis and it will not be even close after this season...Dude is about to sit an entire year for being "sore".

Let's just end with the clichés and regurgitated false impressions :lol..

False impressions? :lmao hold on I'll get some source material to support this claim. Brb

[Leetonidas]

k so couldnt find data career wise but from another poster on another forum...


So far this season, he's gone to the locker room six times.

* October 24 -- left after 5 minutes, did not return, 2-1-0-0-1 statline

* November 17 -- left after 21 minutes, did not return, 17-5-2-1-0 statline

* December 1 -- left after 30 minutes, did not return, 19-10-1-2-1 statline

* December 19 -- left after 22 minutes, returned, 37-9-1-1-0 statline

* January 8 -- left after 27 minutes, did not return, 30-10-1-0-1 statline

* February 14 -- left after 12 minutes, returned, 42-15-3-3-2 statline

tbh i didnt say he was "more injury prone" than Kawhi or anything, just pointed out that this dude goes to the locker room at some point during the game fairly frequently, relative to other players

[Leetonidas]

A team Doctor? Please explain. That is big news if true.

he doesnt know anything...him and that other dude on hear talking about their "sources" every 5 seconds like they know whats going on but keep following up with :cry you dont have to believe me i didnt post this so you would believe me :cry ...gtfo with this already

[cjw]

If Silver uncovers some LA tampering here...

[cd98]

Or from one of the Spurs' doctors. Sorry not all of us can contribute 20K posts like you Dex.

One day I wish I can be just like you tbh..

Yikes HIPPA violation.

[SAGirl]

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[Robz4000]

Jimmy Butler hurt his knee, but it looks like it wasn't an ACL/MCL tear.

[BillMc]

Weird season. We go into it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their second best player LMA and are ending it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their best player Kawhi. We go into with massive injury concerns about Tony and Rudy and come out of it with massive injury concerns with Kawhi. We go into it wondering if we should have paid Patty and Pau so much, and go out wondering if we should pay Kawhi so much.

[SAGirl]

Weird season. We go into it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their second best player LMA and are ending it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their best player Kawhi. We go into with massive injury concerns about Tony and Rudy and come out of it with massive injury concerns with Kawhi. We go into it wondering if we should have paid Patty and Pau so much, and go out wondering if we should pay Kawhi so much.
They shouldn’t have paid Pau and Patty so much... there’s no doubt.

[UZER]

Weird season. We go into it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their second best player LMA and are ending it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their best player Kawhi. We go into with massive injury concerns about Tony and Rudy and come out of it with massive injury concerns with Kawhi. We go into it wondering if we should have paid Patty and Pau so much, and go out wondering if we should pay Kawhi so much.

Kawhi probably had the same concern. "If Pau makes what he makes, and Patty makes what he makes, and Parker is going to get the loyalty contract, and I take the supermax..."

[TheDoctor]

Jimmy Butler hurt his knee, but it looks like it wasn't an ACL/MCL tear.
So relieved we drafted CoJo instead :downspin:

[TimDunkem]

So relieved we drafted CoJo instead :downspin:

All because Drunkford's adopted son wanted daddy to draft his best friend. :lol

[Robz4000]

Butler tore his meniscus. No timetable for return but at this point it's prolly season-ending.

[SAGirl]

Butler tore his meniscus. No timetable for return but at this point it's prolly season-ending.
Go to NY to get a second opinion (and third) Jimmy!!! At the rate he's going if he's any less than 100%, Thibs will finish him.

[spursistan]

Butler tore his meniscus. No timetable for return but at this point it's prolly season-ending.
This is been one of the worst injury year this decade, tbh..Only remember 2015 having similar high profile names going down at one point or another (Paul George, KD, Russ...)

[spursistan]

967445112874729473

Knowing Thibs, I expect him to be playing come playoffs..

[Robz4000]

967445112874729473

Knowing Thibs, I expect him to be playing come playoffs..

I hope for Butler's sake he goes with the repair. At this point a menisectomy could destroy his career.

[NASpurs]

Didn't tear his ACL so good news

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[sasaint]

Weird season. We go into it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their second best player LMA and are ending it with concerns about the Spurs' relationship with their best player Kawhi. We go into with massive injury concerns about Tony and Rudy and come out of it with massive injury concerns with Kawhi. We go into it wondering if we should have paid Patty and Pau so much, and go out wondering if we should pay Kawhi so much.

:toast I appreciate ironies and paradoxes and such.

[sasaint]

Kawhi probably had the same concern. "If Pau makes what he makes, and Patty makes what he makes, and Parker is going to get the loyalty contract, and I take the supermax..."

Setting Tony aside for the present, Pau and Patty were sufficient to start ST shaking its collective head. Kawhi prolly was, too.

[SPURt]

Setting Tony aside for the present, Pau and Patty were sufficient to start ST shaking its collective head. Kawhi prolly was, too.
Wouldn’t that be some ish if Kawhi asked the FO to resign Patty and Pau?

[spursistan]

I hope for Butler's sake he goes with the repair. At this point a menisectomy could destroy his career.
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Looks like he is going for that..Honestly he would be foolish if he rushes it to comeback for the playoffs to play 40 + minutes a night for Thibs only to invite a another severe tear that would ruin his next season and his last chance at another big contract in 2019..

Then again, some players are just tougher then certain others who are on into their third or fourth medical opinion as we speak..:rolleyes