Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

[Thomas82]

Another win tonight puts us even further away from lottery territory.

[Thomas82]

Bruno Fernando > Bassey

If SA gets a big at 19 or 29, I hope its Bruno.

I just had a chance to really take a look at Bruno. I definitely wouldn't be upset if we got him.

[BackHome]

Bruno has improved he would bring a lot of passion and would be our enforcer on the team would not be mad if we got him. To be honest so many ways we can go into this draft:

1. Do we try to move up by trading Toronto or Second round pick plus Nikolas rights?
2. Do trade Toronto’s pick and our late second for Philly top two second round pick?
3. Do we trade Forbes and our second round pick for Philly high second round pick?

[Atl Spur]

Do # 3

[exstatic]

Another win tonight puts us even further away from lottery territory.

What is it with you and rASScal? We've been steadily in 7th and 8th for like weeks. We're not moving away from the lottery. We're fairly fixed in place, with like pick 17 or 18.

[exstatic]

Bruno has improved he would bring a lot of passion and would be our enforcer on the team would not be mad if we got him. To be honest so many ways we can go into this draft:

1. Do we try to move up by trading Toronto or Second round pick plus Nikolas rights?
2. Do trade Toronto’s pick and our late second for Philly top two second round pick?
3. Do we trade Forbes and our second round pick for Philly high second round pick?

I doubt Nikola has much value in the small ball 3 point league that the NBA has become, so, no on #1. No on #2 because the Spur already have a number of players in the development pipeline, and don't need more picks in this draft. #3 would be alright.

[Thomas82]

What is it with you and rASScal? We've been steadily in 7th and 8th for like weeks. We're not moving away from the lottery. We're fairly fixed in place, with like pick 17 or 18.

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that we're pretty much locked into the 17-20 range. I'm just one of those that would rather have the better draft pick than to likely lose in the first round of the playoffs again.

[Atl Spur]

Boy Spurs fans have become really entitled acting.......

[exstatic]

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that we're pretty much locked into the 17-20 range. I'm just one of those that would rather have the better draft pick than to likely lose in the first round of the playoffs again.

If they miss the playoffs, as a WC team, it's almost certain that they'll draft #16. Their chances to move into the top 3, the only way to move up, are virtually nil. You'd miss the playoffs to move up one (8 seed), or maybe two (7 seed) spots?

[cd98]

Spurs keep this pick and every pick for the near future. Now is the time to stockpile young talent. They know that their ceiling is a WCF run if injuries happen to other teams. But their floor is definitely missing the playoffs and their talent is old enough, yet not good enough to go complete win now mode, which is what they were doing when they had the draft and stash approach.

[Thomas82]

If they miss the playoffs, as a WC team, it's almost certain that they'll draft #16. Their chances to move into the top 3, the only way to move up, are virtually nil. You'd miss the playoffs to move up one (8 seed), or maybe two (7 seed) spots?

I thought the lottery was for every team that missed the playoffs. Am I missing something? Please let me know if I am.

[sasaint]

I doubt Nikola has much value in the small ball 3 point league that the NBA has become, so, no on #1. No on #2 because the Spur already have a number of players in the development pipeline, and don't need more picks in this draft. #3 would be alright.

I think Forbes has more value than that. By himself he should be able to fetch at least a Philly high 2nd.

[RC_Drunkford]

Bruno has improved he would bring a lot of passion and would be our enforcer on the team would not be mad if we got him. To be honest so many ways we can go into this draft:

1. Do we try to move up by trading Toronto or Second round pick plus Nikolas rights?
2. Do trade Toronto’s pick and our late second for Philly top two second round pick?
3. Do we trade Forbes and our second round pick for Philly high second round pick?

4. Do we trade our pick, Raptors pick and Forbes for the 12-14th pick and draft a SF who can contribute right away

[ZeusWillJudge]

I thought the lottery was for every team that missed the playoffs. Am I missing something? Please let me know if I am.

The lottery is the ping-pong balls. Technically, all the teams that don't make the playoffs are eligible for the lottery. But only the first four picks are determined by the lottery. (Used to be three before this year.) After that, the rest of the teams pick in reverse order of their regular season records.

The way I understand it, the non-playoff team with the best record will be guaranteed no worse than the 14th pick, even though their record may be better than one or more of the playoff teams. (Think West vs. East.) So if the Spurs missed the playoffs with a 42-40 record in the West, they would get the 14 pick at worst, even though a couple of the playoff teams from the East might well finish at 41-41 or worse. It may not sound like much, but a couple of spots higher could make a huge difference in their pick.

[exstatic]

I thought the lottery was for every team that missed the playoffs. Am I missing something? Please let me know if I am.

Only the top 3 spots are drawn. The other 13 teams draft in order after that. There is a greater than 99% chance our pick would be #14.

edit: both Zeus and myself made a mistake. I was thinking 16 lottery teams, when it's 14, and he said that the top 4 spots are drawn. It's top 3 spots.

[ZeusWillJudge]

4. Do we trade our pick, Raptors pick and Forbes for the 12-14th pick and draft a SF who can contribute right away

Do you have any thoughts for who that might be? I don't think there's any chance that De'Andre Hunter falls that far anymore. All the hype abut Nassir Little was a bust - he's not ready for prime time. PJ Washington is 6'8", but he's a PF. Okpala isn't nearly ready. To me that leaves someone like Grant Williams, and I don't think the Spurs would have to trade up to get him - maybe I'm wrong.

I'd like to see the Spurs find a way to offload Patty, and draft Tre Jones as a backup PG. I think he'd be perfect to keep the deep bench steady, while he finishes cooking.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Only the top 3 spots are drawn. The other 13 teams draft in order after that. There is a greater than 99% chance our pick would be #14.

edit: both Zeus and myself made a mistake. I was thinking 16 lottery teams, when it's 14, and he said that the top 4 spots are drawn. It's top 3 spots.


Edit: Here, this is from the NBA website.
After drawings are conducted for the first four picks of the NBA Draft, the other lottery teams will continue to pick in inverse order of their regular-season record.


Honest mistake. This is the first year they draw for four positions. They also flattened the odds at the very top (3) so that there isn't such an all-out tankathon for the most ping-pong balls. All three of the top contenders get the same amount of ping-pong balls this year.

[R. DeMurre]

I can really imagine the Spurs packaging two or three of their 2019 picks and/or a player to move up this year. The back court is pretty crowded with White, Murray, DeMar, Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, and Walker.

It's going to be a dramatic summer for the league, watching what happens with Zion, with Klay & KD, seeing what Kawhi, Butler, Kyrie, & Kemba do, and seeing which team ruins its future by signing Cousins. I'm pretty excited to see all of that unfold.

[R. DeMurre]

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

According to this chart ^^, the top 4 spots are drawn.

[exstatic]

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

According to this chart ^^, the top 4 spots are drawn.

Yeah, Zeus pointed out that this is year one for this new wrinkle.

[ceperez]

I can really imagine the Spurs packaging two or three of their 2019 picks and/or a player to move up this year. The back court is pretty crowded with White, Murray, DeMar, Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, and Walker.

It's going to be a dramatic summer for the league, watching what happens with Zion, with Klay & KD, seeing what Kawhi, Butler, Kyrie, & Kemba do, and seeing which team ruins its future by signing Cousins. I'm pretty excited to see all of that unfold.

It's getting crowded. Can the Spurs slot in two additional rookies?

Surely they are going to pick up one or two additional veterans from free agency.

[R. DeMurre]

It's getting crowded. Can the Spurs slot in two additional rookies?

Surely they are going to pick up one or two additional veterans from free agency.


My favorite under the radar free agent for the Spurs right now is Khem Birch of the Magic. A 6'9" defensive minded center who can switch on smaller players, and is a contrast to Poeltl. He's a restricted free agent, but if Orlando re-signs Vucevic, they'd already have Mo Bamba as a back up and probably wouldn't want to pay much for a third string C. I could see him being a good inexpensive option.

[exstatic]

It's getting crowded. Can the Spurs slot in two additional rookies?

Surely they are going to pick up one or two additional veterans from free agency.

I doubt it. Vets cost money. Late draft picks are cheap.

Right now, they have 13 actives, plus DJ, who was never off the 15 man roster. Pon And Cunn will likely be gone. Metu hasn't shown shit, and would be a cheap cut. Rudy would likely be back. That would be ten players, three draft picks, and maybe someone like Ben Moore making the team. They could keep Metu for that 15th spot, or go in a different direction, maybe Eubanks, and then both two ways would make next year's team.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I doubt it. Vets cost money. Late draft picks are cheap.

Right now, they have 13 actives, plus DJ, who was never off the 15 man roster. Pon And Cunn will likely be gone. Metu hasn't shown shit, and would be a cheap cut. Rudy would likely be back. That would be ten players, three draft picks, and maybe someone like Ben Moore making the team. They could keep Metu for that 15th spot, or go in a different direction, maybe Eubanks, and then both two ways would make next year's team.

That's pretty much the way I see it. It's pretty clear to me that re-signing Rudy is a big priority. And I think Eubanks earns an actual roster spot, rather than a 2-way - but that might swing on whether they finally bring Milutinov over.

Cue the screaming, but Darius Miller is an unrestricted FA this year. He's a small forward, he's going to be affordable, and he brings enough production to justify his existence. He's one of those guys who has worked really hard to earn his space in the NBA, which is right up the Spurs' alley. (He's over himself.) I know everybody wants the Spurs to magically come up with a star SF on a budget, but that's not realistic. Miller fills some needs and isn't redundant.

If the Spurs can't relieve any of that congestion (by that I mean they can't unload Patty or Bryn), then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that Raptors pick go for Devidis Sirvydis - another Euro draft-n-stash.

[objective]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1102307838443966464

That's the guy I want. Either a rich man's Garret Temple or a homeless man's Shane Battier.

Even in that dopey Syracuse zone that seems to produce unprepared lackluster NBA defenders, he stands out with his instincts and skill.

His shot isn't broken, and he seems like his IQ is good enough.

It might be hard to play him at SF, but if Derrick White can spend so much time guarding them at his height, strength and wingspan, I don't see why Thybulle couldn't.

Plus he played with Dejounte, so there will be a comfort factor in getting him up to speed.

[TD 21]

That's the guy I want. Either a rich man's Garret Temple or a homeless man's Shane Battier.

Even in that dopey Syracuse zone that seems to produce unprepared lackluster NBA defenders, he stands out with his instincts and skill.

His shot isn't broken, and he seems like his IQ is good enough.

It might be hard to play him at SF, but if Derrick White can spend so much time guarding them at his height, strength and wingspan, I don't see why Thybulle couldn't.

Plus he played with Dejounte, so there will be a comfort factor in getting him up to speed.

I'd say Oubre Jr., but more Spurs like. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if they have strong interest, but the way his stock appears to be rising, they'd probably have to pick him with their initial pick and short of a higher ranked wing falling, I'll remain skeptical of their passing on Porter until I see it.

If they're that dead set on Porter, they've got the Raptors 1st and Forbes as additional assets. Or, they could just sign Bender, a similar player, for probably the minimum. Sure, he's been terrible so far, but is still only 21 and has been stuck on one of the worst organizations in the league.

Back to Thybulle. He should be able to defend 1-3, but obviously lacks the strength to guard most big wings. But then, neither does any other wing projected to be available in that range.

[ZeusWillJudge]

4. Do we trade our pick, Raptors pick and Forbes for the 12-14th pick and draft a SF who can contribute right away


BTW - I wasn't trying to jam you up about your idea. It makes sense. It's just that all I'm seeing in the SF class are people the Spurs can't possibly trade up to, IMO, and people they shouldn't have to trade up to get.

[cd021]

4. Do we trade our pick, Raptors pick and Forbes for the 12-14th pick and draft a SF who can contribute right away


Our pick plus Forbes/Raps pick (think Forbes is the more attractive asset of the two) to move up six spots is fine, but Forbes plus our pick, and the Raps pick seems like an overpay.

[outmap]

Clarke and Thybulle in the first, draft and stash the second round.

[ceperez]

I'd say Oubre Jr., but more Spurs like. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if they have strong interest, but the way his stock appears to be rising, they'd probably have to pick him with their initial pick and short of a higher ranked wing falling, I'll remain skeptical of their passing on Porter until I see it.

If they're that dead set on Porter, they've got the Raptors 1st and Forbes as additional assets. Or, they could just sign Bender, a similar player, for probably the minimum. Sure, he's been terrible so far, but is still only 21 and has been stuck on one of the worst organizations in the league.

Back to Thybulle. He should be able to defend 1-3, but obviously lacks the strength to guard most big wings. But then, neither does any other wing projected to be available in that range.

Thybulle is a senior. So it is likely that no team will pick him in the first round. He is likely to be available for the Raptors pick. Are there any mock drafts with him going in the first round?

[cd021]

Thybulle is a senior. So it is likely that no team will pick him in the first round. He is likely to be available for the Raptors pick. Are there any mock drafts with him going in the first round?

Thybulle is currently at 47 in NBA Draft Net and in the early to mid 40s in the ESPN, The Athletics and SI mocks

https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/15/2019-aggregate-nba-mock-draft-5-0-jaxson-hayes-enters-the-lottery/

[CGD]

i wonder what 29 + Forbes get you in terms of moving up? Folks are dismissing this as a shit draft after the top 3, might be a good way to move up ever so slightly to snag someone they like. Also helps clear some of the logjam

[exstatic]

i wonder what 29 + Forbes get you in terms of moving up? Folks are dismissing this as a shit draft after the top 3, might be a good way to move up ever so slightly to snag someone they like. Also helps clear some of the logjam

If it's a shit draft, there's really no point in moving up. There isn't really a logjam. If you roll off Pon and Cunn, cut Metu, and bring back Rudy, that's 10 players. You can slot in 3 draft picks, and sign Ben Moore and Eubanks, if you want.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Thybulle is a senior. So it is likely that no team will pick him in the first round. He is likely to be available for the Raptors pick. Are there any mock drafts with him going in the first round?

Some of the people I follow have started talking about him a lot. And, yes, there are mock drafts that are putting him up into the late first round. You don't always know if that's the result of an agent/PR campaign, but he is definitely getting noticed now. There are probably a limited number of teams that would take him that high, but if he shows well at the combine the Raps pick might not be too far off.



i wonder what 29 + Forbes get you in terms of moving up? Folks are dismissing this as a shit draft after the top 3, might be a good way to move up ever so slightly to snag someone they like. Also helps clear some of the logjam

When the Spurs traded up to get Kawhi, it was because there was at least one team thinking that they would like George Hill on their roster. I don't think there are a lot of teams out there thinking, "You know, what we really need is that Forbes guy." He's an undersized SG with questionable handles and no D. His does make 3's, and he's cheap next year, but nobody is going to be approaching the Spurs about him. The other team would have to really want a guy that they thought would still be there at 29.

[duncan2150]

If it's a shit draft, there's really no point in moving up. There isn't really a logjam. If you roll off Pon and Cunn, cut Metu, and bring back Rudy, that's 10 players. You can slot in 3 draft picks, and sign Ben Moore and Eubanks, if you want.

i'm not sure the spurs will not sign some players from free agency, i think they will go with 2 players at the draft and 1 or 2 with fa, plus bring back rudy like you said but i'm not sure they will cut metu so without pondexter and cunnigham we only have 3 spots. you said 10 players but that's 11 if they cut Metu.

So, i hope we can package Forbes for something, in order to let the place to walker.

About Thybulle, he is rising because his defensive numbers are realy high, i think that all will depends off the combine for him, if he looks athletic he could be a 20-30 pick, i don't think i will go higher.

[Chinook]

Brandon Clarke and Thybulle would be an interesting combo. Clarke feels a lot like a forward version of Derrick White in the sense that he's an older guy who's worked his way to being one of the best players in the nation. He just looks way more NBA-ready than Hachimura. I anticipate Brandon being there when the Spurs pick due to his age, and there are a ton of scenarios where dude would be BPA. Like Clarke, Thybulle has been putting up amazing defensive stats all year. I do see a team in the late-20s or early 30s taking a flier on him. It's not completely clear that he'd be around for the Toronto pick, but there's no way to justify using a pick in the teens on him. People see this team and think they NEED a defensive forward to plug in right away. The reality is that Pop can coach up a guy to be a plus defender if they start off with the right tools. Murray and Anderson are good examples of that. They don't have to bend over backwards for guys who are specifically elite college defenders. They could end up being like Huestis where their D doesn't translate and the rest of their game isn't close to NBA-ready. There are a number of forwards the team should be able to draft at 29. NONE of them are likely to be a rotation player next year.

[duncan2150]

Something about wings is i doubt there will be something really intereseting in that 12-14 range with the fact that moving woulc cost us two picks....

For me the good wings ( could also be SG/SF combo) are : Keldon Johnson( out of reach), Culver ( same thing), Okapala, Langford.... Hunter could be there at 12-14 , i'm not that high on him tough i like his play, his defensive numbers are low and strange...

[Twisted_Dawg]

If it's a shit draft, there's really no point in moving up. There isn't really a logjam. If you roll off Pon and Cunn, cut Metu, and bring back Rudy, that's 10 players. You can slot in 3 draft picks, and sign Ben Moore and Eubanks, if you want.


i wonder what 29 + Forbes get you in terms of moving up? Folks are dismissing this as a shit draft after the top 3, might be a good way to move up ever so slightly to snag someone they like. Also helps clear some of the logjam

Are there shit drafts, or just shitty drafters? Seems every year in every sport we'll hear its a great year or a bad year. Yet the good teams with competent management always seem to draft well. I just hope we don't revert to trading out of the late first round like we did in the past. We need as many darts as we can get to throw at the board hoping we luck out on a few of them. Or, use the late pick and other capital to move up a few slots to grab a player we like instead of watching these players we like picked right in front of us. Gobert and Batun come to mind.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Brandon Clarke and Thybulle would be an interesting combo. Clarke feels a lot like a forward version of Derrick White in the sense that he's an older guy who's worked his way to being one of the best players in the nation. He just looks way more NBA-ready than Hachimura. I anticipate Brandon being there when the Spurs pick due to his age, and there are a ton of scenarios where dude would be BPA. Like Clarke, Thybulle has been putting up amazing defensive stats all year. I do see a team in the late-20s or early 30s taking a flier on him. It's not completely clear that he'd be around for the Toronto pick, but there's no way to justify using a pick in the teens on him. People see this team and think they NEED a defensive forward to plug in right away. The reality is that Pop can coach up a guy to be a plus defender if they start off with the right tools. Murray and Anderson are good examples of that. They don't have to bend over backwards for guys who are specifically elite college defenders. They could end up being like Huestis where their D doesn't translate and the rest of their game isn't close to NBA-ready. There are a number of forwards the team should be able to draft at 29. NONE of them are likely to be a rotation player next year.


Well one thing is for sure. When you look at all the players people here are talking about, it's pretty clear that we all miss defense. Sometimes I start doubting whether you can build an NBA team around defense anymore, but I would love to see Pop try. Defense and rebounding. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic. I wouldn't cry if the Spurs took Clarke at 29. At least he's got legitimate height and length - they're billing him as a small ball C in the New NBA. But he probably spends the bulk of his first year in Austin.

So are the Spurs bringing Milutinov this season or not?

[GusT15]

Well one thing is for sure. When you look at all the players people here are talking about, it's pretty clear that we all miss defense. Sometimes I start doubting whether you can build an NBA team around defense anymore, but I would love to see Pop try. Defense and rebounding. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic. I wouldn't cry if the Spurs took Clarke at 29. At least he's got legitimate height and length - they're billing him as a small ball C in the New NBA. But he probably spends the bulk of his first year in Austin.

So are the Spurs bringing Milutinov this season or not?

Utah is a prime example of a team build around defense in today's NBA.They only have one legit scoring option and when their role player's 3 is not falling they are absolutely horrible on offense.
Yet,they have a better record than the Spurs.And that's cause our defense is awful this year.

The goal,,since we don't have a stacked team anymore,is to find the balance between offense and defense.

As for Milutinov,there has been more noise than usual in Greek Radio lately on if he is gonna try the NBA jump next year.I personally don't think he offers something the Spurs need anymore.I mean he is better than Eubanks and he was better than Gasol but he is gonna be more expensive than Eubanks and Gasol already is eating 5mills of next years budget.

[exstatic]

Are there shit drafts, or just shitty drafters? Seems every year in every sport we'll hear its a great year or a bad year. Yet the good teams with competent management always seem to draft well. I just hope we don't revert to trading out of the late first round like we did in the past. We need as many darts as we can get to throw at the board hoping we luck out on a few of them. Or, use the late pick and other capital to move up a few slots to grab a player we like instead of watching these players we like picked right in front of us. Gobert and Batun come to mind.

There are actually both. It's weird, but some drafts are just really thin. The draft where they implemented the one and done was a desert. Similarly, the draft of 2021 should be rich, because that will be the first draft without one and done for a while, so you'll have all of the last class of one and done, plus a group of HS players ready (or not) to jump. Sometimes, there's just no reason for it, like this year.

I also don't worry about the Batums and Goberts. For every one of those, you get a DJ or a White, dropping all the way down to 29, or a LW IV dropping to 17 when the Spurs had him in their top 10. You win some, you lose some. We've had at least as much good luck as bad in the draft over the years, and that's not even counting winning the lottery in 87 and 97, the years that DRob and Tim were available.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't think Clarke could make it as a forward in today's NBA, unless it's a very specific team setup. I see him as a Jordan Bell type of undersized center, which diminishes his value.

[duncan2150]

I don't think Clarke could make it as a forward in today's NBA, unless it's a very specific team setup. I see him as a Jordan Bell type of undersized center, which diminishes his value.

that was a question to me, he's 6'8 maybe with a 7ft wingspan, i don't know if 6'8 it's enough today to play inside ....

[cd021]

So are the Spurs bringing Milutinov this season or not?




As for Milutinov,there has been more noise than usual in Greek Radio lately on if he is gonna try the NBA jump next year.I personally don't think he offers something the Spurs need anymore.I mean he is better than Eubanks and he was better than Gasol but he is gonna be more expensive than Eubanks and Gasol already is eating 5mills of next years budget.

I would be surprised if he did. Spurs will have 3 roster spots open and it is uncertain whether they are going to package picks or stash one. Spurs may enter July 1st with only one open roster spot.

Bringing over Milutinov would require using part of the MLE (probably half of the $9 million). That's an overpay for a 3rd center /5th big and would hurt the chances of getting an impact wing to help in free agency.

For all we know, PATFO mayfeel that they've found one in the draft and/or they arecomfortable with DeRozan playing the three full time with White's emergence and Murray's return.

It is sort of now or never thought; either they trade his rights away or commit to bringing him over, to save face for stashing a player, taken with a first round pick, for 5 years.

[ceperez]

Are there shit drafts, or just shitty drafters? Seems every year in every sport we'll hear its a great year or a bad year. Yet the good teams with competent management always seem to draft well. I just hope we don't revert to trading out of the late first round like we did in the past. We need as many darts as we can get to throw at the board hoping we luck out on a few of them. Or, use the late pick and other capital to move up a few slots to grab a player we like instead of watching these players we like picked right in front of us. Gobert and Batun come to mind.

PATFO should have traded down to get either Gobert or Batum. That's the mistake. Imagine, we got Livio instead of Gobert. Talk about bad strategy. I think Utah traded to get that pick.

[ceperez]

I would be surprised if he did. Spurs will have 3 roster spots open and it is uncertain whether they are going to package picks or stash one. Spurs may enter July 1st with only one open roster spot.

Bringing over Milutinov would require using part of the MLE ( probably half of the $9 million) and that's an overpay for a 3rd center /5th big and would hurt the chances of getting an impact wing to help in free agency, unless they feel that they've found one in the draft and/or PATFO is comfortable with DeRozan playing the three with White's emergence and Murray's return.

It is sort of now or never thought, either they trade his rights away or commit to bringing him over to save face for stashing a player taken with a first round pick for 5 years.

Well the Multinov draft isn't looking good then!

He came over to SA once, but I don't recall him ever playing in the Summer league.

[cd021]

Well the Multinov draft isn't looking good then!

He came over to SA once, but I don't recall him ever playing in the Summer league.

It was weird from the start; PATFO tried to save $1.4 million for the pursuit of Aldridge only for them to find out a few days later that the cap had jumped from $63 to $70 million and that they really didn't need to do that.

[pad300]

that was a question to me, he's 6'8 maybe with a 7ft wingspan, i don't know if 6'8 it's enough today to play inside ....

The issue with Clarke is can he develop the skills to attack on the perimeter... There's no real question of does he have the athleticism to defend (as a 3) on the perimeter. But if he cannot play on the perimeter offensively, he stuck as a garbageman PF...

[BackHome]

Yeah they traded up to get Gobert and Blazers trades up to get Batum me think?

If I am the Spurs I am trying to move up in the draft by trading 19 pick and Nikola rights For Celtics 14th pick or trying to do the same with Carlottes 13th pick. (Hunter)

I am also trying to package our second round pick and Forbes for Philly 24 (Goga, Fernando)

Raptors pick either trade it for a first next year or if a good foreign is available draft him or if Thebully is still there draft him.

[Chinook]

The obsession with trading Forbes is weird to me. Folks simultaneously think he has late-first value and that he NEEDS to be dealt away. No. Bryn is as useful if not more to the Spurs than he is to any other team. If SA doesn't need him, no one else is going to give up anything for him. Obviously, getting his shooting in a bigger player would be cool. But failing that, Pop is going to keep playing him, and Mills, and they will take minutes from Murray and White. Being able to shoot is that important. It's just as important as playing defense. It's just as important as having size. The Spurs are playing Bryn because they want to, not because they have to. Regardless, dude's going to be an expiring role-player who's skill-set is the most common to find. Nobody is paying much for him when guys like Napier and Seth Curry float from team to team each year.

[BackHome]

I only put in Forbes because when Murray comes back and Walker gets better his time is going to decrease which is not good in a contract year. And yeah Philly could really use help with outside shooting so I think they would bite. But to be honest I think this draft is going to be the craziest one we have seen in a awhile lots of trades are going to happen. Big Time

Sorry have to disagree with you if Mills and Forbes start or get more minutes then White and Murray well that would be 4 players who asked to be traded in 3 years. Cause if I was there agent I would tell White and Murray to pack their bags

[Chinook]

I don't think Clarke could make it as a forward in today's NBA, unless it's a very specific team setup. I see him as a Jordan Bell type of undersized center, which diminishes his value.

I see no reason at all he can't play next to LMA. Today's NBA fours are not just SFs. They tend to still be bigger and slower than their counterparts at the three. Just like how PATFO sees Metu as a forward and not a center, I think they'd see the same from Clarke. Like would he play the five in certain lineups and in something like the summer league? Yeah, probably. But he's excelling now despite playing with a PF with significantly less range than Aldridge. Yeah, playing with Murray, White and DeRozan seems like a no-go for now with his lack of range. But get him a corner three, and by the time DeMar sloughs off the roster, you've got your new defensive anchor.

Not that I don't hope that everyone views Clarke like you do. He's projected as a comfortable top-20 pick, but him falling to 29 really feels possible given his age and current skill-set. I'd love to catch a small-forward with the team's natural pick and then have my pick of PFs with 29. Lawson and Roby are guys that really interest me anyway. Adding him Clarke just makes it that much better.

[Chinook]

I only put in Forbes because when Murray comes back and Walker gets better his time is going to decrease which is not good in a contract year. And yeah Philly could really use help with outside shooting so I think they would bite. But to be honest I think this draft is going to be the craziest one we have seen in a awhile lots of trades are going to happen. Big Time

Sorry have to disagree with you if Mills and Forbes start or get more minutes then White and Murray well that would be 4 players who asked to be traded in 3 years.

Why? First, I never said that both Mills and Forbes would start or that they'd get more minutes. But Murray/White/DeRozan may not work for a lot of reasons. I expect that Pop will want to make it work, just like he wanted to make Gay/Aldridge/Gasol work this season. But there's a really good chance White or Murray end up benched just because they can't play together. And Murray's still a really unstable asset. It won't be hard to bench him because he's "coming back from injury". I don't expect Walker to get minutes with Beli on the club anyway, so I'm not even factoring him in. I also don't think this will be a problem after next year, since Murray, Beli and DeRozan could all be gone. So could Poeltl, Gay, Bertans and Aldridge, which is why drafting multiple bigs shouldn't be off the table.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Being able to shoot is that important. It's just as important as playing defense. It's just as important as having size. The Spurs are playing Bryn because they want to, not because they have to.

I was with everything else you said in this thread until that. Shooting is important, but it can't overcome a total lack of defense. Just like defense is important, but it can't overcome a total lack of shooting. On nights when shots aren't falling, a team can still keep a game close by playing solid D. And they can wind up "winning ugly" a lot of the time, if they are mentally tough. Forbes is a net negative. Having him on the floor is like saying you can sell a product below cost, but make up for it in volume.

I agree that Pop is playing him because he wants to. He tried to shoehorn him into a PG role and that was a disaster. So now he's a very undersized SG who does damn near nothing but move around the 3P line. When he's in, especially with DeRozan, the Spurs are trading buckets - if they're lucky. And that's not just me saying so - the numbers say so too. The only 2-man combo worse than Forbes/DeRozan is Beli/DeRozan. And that's in a whole bunch of categories - whether it's NetRtg, AST/TO, EFG%, etc.

The Spurs need both of those guys now. Next year I think they would be able to make roster adjustments and be better off without Forbes. But I totally agree that nobody is going to give the Spurs anything for him, so it's sort of a moot point. But if we're daydreaming? I'd trade him for a chance to move up in a heartbeat.

[CGD]

The obsession with trading Forbes is weird to me. Folks simultaneously think he has late-first value and that he NEEDS to be dealt away. No. Bryn is as useful if not more to the Spurs than he is to any other team. If SA doesn't need him, no one else is going to give up anything for him. Obviously, getting his shooting in a bigger player would be cool. But failing that, Pop is going to keep playing him, and Mills, and they will take minutes from Murray and White. Being able to shoot is that important. It's just as important as playing defense. It's just as important as having size. The Spurs are playing Bryn because they want to, not because they have to. Regardless, dude's going to be an expiring role-player who's skill-set is the most common to find. Nobody is paying much for him when guys like Napier and Seth Curry float from team to team each year.

Think Bryn HAS value and because he does he might add some value to #29, if say the guys the Spurs want is at #20.

It’s been a challenging season as a fan, and for me one of the transitions in my fandom is realizing that the current roster as constructed cant really go that far. Where there was a deep attachment to players in the past, it’s cold to have to see them (even ones you think are great humans/have great stories of overcoming odds) as assets. Forbes is one of those great stories, but his “value” will probably never be higher.

[exstatic]

Think Bryn HAS value and because he does he might add some value to #29, if say the guys the Spurs want is at #20.

It’s been a challenging season as a fan, and for me one of the transitions in my fandom is realizing that the current roster as constructed cant really go that far. Where there was a deep attachment to players in the past, it’s cold to have to see them (even ones you think are great humans/have great stories of overcoming odds) as assets. Forbes is one of those great stories, but his “value” will probably never be higher.

I doubt Bryn could move you up more than 2-3 spots. Thinking 9 spots is a pipe dream...like a crack pipe.

[tbdog]

Why? First, I never said that both Mills and Forbes would start or that they'd get more minutes. But Murray/White/DeRozan may not work for a lot of reasons. I expect that Pop will want to make it work, just like he wanted to make Gay/Aldridge/Gasol work this season. But there's a really good chance White or Murray end up benched just because they can't play together. And Murray's still a really unstable asset. It won't be hard to bench him because he's "coming back from injury". I don't expect Walker to get minutes with Beli on the club anyway, so I'm not even factoring him in. I also don't think this will be a problem after next year, since Murray, Beli and DeRozan could all be gone. So could Poeltl, Gay, Bertans and Aldridge, which is why drafting multiple bigs shouldn't be off the table.

Reading between the lines, gay signs a 3 year deal. DD signs an extension similar to LMA. One of Beli, Mills, bertans, Forbes goes. Poeltl and Murray sign extensions. Spurs use full MLE. Spurs draft best available and not position of need.

Spurs usually retain their players.

[BackHome]

We traded Sean Freaking Elliott so do not tell me why can’t trade Forbes, and Mills. I personally think we can use Forbes and Raptors pick to move up 3 or 4 spots and if we not bringing Nikola then don’t waste him try to use him to move up in draft he was a first round should help.

[CGD]

I doubt Bryn could move you up more than 2-3 spots. Thinking 9 spots is a pipe dream...like a crack pipe.

Maybe 9 slots is too aggressive but 4-5 maybe not. I can see a spacing challenged team like the Thunder drafting in the early 20s who might have interest in moving back.

[Chinook]

I was with everything else you said in this thread until that. Shooting is important, but it can't overcome a total lack of defense. Just like defense is important, but it can't overcome a total lack of shooting. On nights when shots aren't falling, a team can still keep a game close by playing solid D. And they can wind up "winning ugly" a lot of the time, if they are mentally tough. Forbes is a net negative. Having him on the floor is like saying you can sell a product below cost, but make up for it in volume.

I agree that Pop is playing him because he wants to. He tried to shoehorn him into a PG role and that was a disaster. So now he's a very undersized SG who does damn near nothing but move around the 3P line. When he's in, especially with DeRozan, the Spurs are trading buckets - if they're lucky. And that's not just me saying so - the numbers say so too. The only 2-man combo worse than Forbes/DeRozan is Beli/DeRozan. And that's in a whole bunch of categories - whether it's NetRtg, AST/TO, EFG%, etc.

The Spurs need both of those guys now. Next year I think they would be able to make roster adjustments and be better off without Forbes. But I totally agree that nobody is going to give the Spurs anything for him, so it's sort of a moot point. But if we're daydreaming? I'd trade him for a chance to move up in a heartbeat.

Forbes isn't that negative. He actually grades out as a borderline starting guard in terms of impact stats. RPM has him as a negative on D, but almost every guard is a negative there. Spurs fans have a strange need to hate their own players, but Bryn really isn't failing to do things he's supposed to do. His D looks particularly bad until you realize that everyone's D looks bad. What's more true in the NBA than anything with modern defenses is that spacing and shooting are king. Small-ball still isn't a better defensive option than playing two bigs. The only time the scales tip is when there are four shooters to contend with. When you play a bunch of guys who can't or won't shoot together, you let opposing coaches play big. If Murray has figured out how to shoot threes, and if White gets his stroke back, maybe they can eventually scheme a way to work together. But the reality is you don't NEED an elite D, and especially an elite defensive unit, to win. It's really easy to imagine a Murray/White/DeRozan combo losing more matchups than the current one does. In the very least, it could be a lineup prone to slow offensive starts. Benching Murray or maybe White for Forbes or Mills may just end up being something Pop tries and sticks with.

[tbdog]

My issue with Forbes and now Mills is their size. Contesting 3s is important. Players are now rising above them and shooting clean shots. Because you cannot crowd shooters, length is a must. Also both are poor offball stealers. Again length helps here. Both don't add to that.

[rascal]

Maybe 9 slots is too aggressive but 4-5 maybe not. I can see a spacing challenged team like the Thunder drafting in the early 20s who might have interest in moving back.

Spur fans over rating their players. No one is making a trade for Forbes by moving down in the draft for any slots.

[duncan2150]

Forbes isn't that negative. He actually grades out as a borderline starting guard in terms of impact stats. RPM has him as a negative on D, but almost every guard is a negative there. Spurs fans have a strange need to hate their own players, but Bryn really isn't failing to do things he's supposed to do. His D looks particularly bad until you realize that everyone's D looks bad. What's more true in the NBA than anything with modern defenses is that spacing and shooting are king. Small-ball still isn't a better defensive option than playing two bigs. The only time the scales tip is when there are four shooters to contend with. When you play a bunch of guys who can't or won't shoot together, you let opposing coaches play big. If Murray has figured out how to shoot threes, and if White gets his stroke back, maybe they can eventually scheme a way to work together. But the reality is you don't NEED an elite D, and especially an elite defensive unit, to win. It's really easy to imagine a Murray/White/DeRozan combo losing more matchups than the current one does. In the very least, it could be a lineup prone to slow offensive starts. Benching Murray or maybe White for Forbes or Mills may just end up being something Pop tries and sticks with.

I think people makes forbes tradable because his D is bad( something everybody will agree) and he could have a little value With his shooting. One thing about him is that if his shoot is not falling he is useless , that’s the case for weeks as he is shooting under 40% last 30 days... plus you can find players who can shot the ball with more size, ballhandling skills, IQ...

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs need a SF who can contribute right away with defense and 3-point shooting. If there's somebody in the draft around 12-18th pick they should definitely try to move up/package both picks. That should be the main focus. If they can get who they want then draft whoever else is on the radar with the Raptors pick. But more than anything they need an SF who can get minutes ASAP and has potential

[cd021]

I think Forbes has turned himself into an NBA player and is probably worth a late first/ early 2nd rounder in terms of value. That being said, he isn't essential to this team. Next years team could still use him but probably wouldn't be worse off without him.

Pop may end up going with six guards in the rotation so it's probably not a big deal;

Murray, Forbes, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge
White, Mills, Beli, Bertans, Poeltl


Spurs still would be good to draft a wing and a big to keep in the wings for beyond next season. Filling out the rest of the roster with young players with upside is better than the Cunningham, Pondexter types.
Walker, 1st rounder, Metu, 1st rounder.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Forbes isn't that negative. He actually grades out as a borderline starting guard in terms of impact stats. RPM has him as a negative on D, but almost every guard is a negative there. Spurs fans have a strange need to hate their own players, but Bryn really isn't failing to do things he's supposed to do. His D looks particularly bad until you realize that everyone's D looks bad. What's more true in the NBA than anything with modern defenses is that spacing and shooting are king. Small-ball still isn't a better defensive option than playing two bigs. The only time the scales tip is when there are four shooters to contend with. When you play a bunch of guys who can't or won't shoot together, you let opposing coaches play big. If Murray has figured out how to shoot threes, and if White gets his stroke back, maybe they can eventually scheme a way to work together. But the reality is you don't NEED an elite D, and especially an elite defensive unit, to win. It's really easy to imagine a Murray/White/DeRozan combo losing more matchups than the current one does. In the very least, it could be a lineup prone to slow offensive starts. Benching Murray or maybe White for Forbes or Mills may just end up being something Pop tries and sticks with.


You stayed away from the fact that Forbes/DeRozan together is a disaster, which is the meat of what I said. And you KNOW that DeRozan is going to be starting next season. So what does that leave?

I don't hate Forbes, and I don't have a problem with the Murray/White/DeRozan combo you mentioned. What I said, and what I still say, is that Forbes/DeRozan together is a disaster. The numbers are undeniable, but you don't have to pull stats to see it.

[sasaint]

I think Forbes has turned himself into an NBA player and is probably worth a late first/ early 2nd rounder in terms of value. That being said, he isn't essential to this team. Next years team could still use him but probably wouldn't be worse off without him.

Pop may end up going with six guards in the rotation so it's probably not a big deal;

Murray, Forbes, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge
White, Mills, Beli, Bertans, Poeltl


Spurs still would be good to draft a wing and a big to keep in the wings for beyond next season. Filling out the rest of the roster with young players with upside is better than the Cunningham, Pondexter types.
Walker, 1st rounder, Metu, 1st rounder.

Like you, I think Forbes has decent value - at least early 2nd round. I really have a hard time believing that Pop - even Pop - will hang on to as many backcourt players as we would have next season without a move. It might be a small (even inconsequential) move, but I do expect Pop to trade one of our backcourt guys before next season begins.

[Chinook]

You stayed away from the fact that Forbes/DeRozan together is a disaster, which is the meat of what I said.

It's not a disaster. It's slightly negative. You're talking about a duo who's started 61 games together and are 33-28 in that span. Forbes and DeRozan are an inextricable combo, and I didn't comment on that in the same way I didn't comment on the Forbes/Aldridge combo. It's been a rock-core part of the team the whole year, not some random experiment like Bertans or Poeltl starting. Both the bad and the good has come with that duo in the first unit. The times they figured out how to play really good defense, Bryn was right there too. I know you're find with Murray/White/DeRozan, but my point was that that may easily not work as well as Forbes/White or Murray/DeRozan. Defense is schematic way more than it's personnel-based. Having a solid year with the same starting unit could make more of a difference than any forward or Murray returning.

Or it may not. But everyone thinks they have this clear-cut solution, and that involves trading away an important offensive player and hoping that three guards with shooting problems, a post big and a forward whose shooting has already fallen back down to his career levels can somehow make a modern offense work.

[cd021]

I don't hate Forbes, and I don't have a problem with the Murray/White/DeRozan combo you mentioned.


I am actually worried about that specific lineup a bit. If Murray still can't shoot, and DeRozan is a still an absolute non-factor without the ball then it means that White probably won't be able to play on ball as he should. DeRozan would probably be the primary ball handler, White may is hitting about 35% on 3's but he's a relatively low volume 3pt shooter. Murray will have figure out how to fit in the half court. Gay would probably have to start just to maintain spacing.

I think Forbes would have some value on next years team, even if it's just starting and playing the first 7 minutes of each half. He is a better shooter than White and wouldn't require the ball. White would better suited as primary ball handler of the second unit while still playing starter-level minutes off the bench it would also allow for the Spurs to have an above average defensive guard on the floor at all times.

[exstatic]

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I am actually worried about that specific lineup a bit. If Murray still can't shoot, and DeRozan is a still an absolute non-factor without the ball then it means that White probably won't be able to play on ball as he should. DeRozan would probably be the primary ball handler, White may is hitting about 35% on 3's but he's a relatively low volume 3pt shooter. Murray will have figure out how to fit in the half court. Gay would probably have to start just to maintain spacing.

I think Forbes would have some value on next years team, even if it's just starting and playing the first 7 minutes of each half. He is a better shooter than White and wouldn't require the ball. White would better suited as primary ball handler of the second unit while still playing starter-level minutes off the bench it would also allow for the Spurs to have an above average defensive guard on the floor at all times.

Your thinking is too linear. Start White, have him play off the ball with the starters, then run the show when DD sits down.

[BackHome]

With Murray back and hopefully Walker figuring it out Forbes playing time will dramatically decline. It would be best for all parties if we could package him in a trade to another team.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's not a disaster. It's slightly negative. You're talking about a duo who's started 61 games together and are 33-28 in that span. Forbes and DeRozan are an inextricable combo, and I didn't comment on that in the same way I didn't comment on the Forbes/Aldridge combo. It's been a rock-core part of the team the whole year, not some random experiment like Bertans or Poeltl starting. Both the bad and the good has come with that duo in the first unit. The times they figured out how to play really good defense, Bryn was right there too. I know you're find with Murray/White/DeRozan, but my point was that that may easily not work as well as Forbes/White or Murray/DeRozan. Defense is schematic way more than it's personnel-based. Having a solid year with the same starting unit could make more of a difference than any forward or Murray returning.

Or it may not. But everyone thinks they have this clear-cut solution, and that involves trading away an important offensive player and hoping that three guards with shooting problems, a post big and a forward whose shooting has already fallen back down to his career levels can somehow make a modern offense work.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612759

Forbes/DeRozan have played 1349 minutes together, and have the worst NetRtg of any two player combo other than Beli/DeRozan.
You can't get around that. (I'm not counting fringe combos with Cunningham or Pondexter that don't belong in a discussion of starters.)

Forbes/DeRozan have a shameful AST/TO ratio as a combo - that's because they both cough up the ball when pressured. When they are both on the floor at the same time, the Spurs also lose too many possessions as a result.

Forbes/DeRozan also have the worst TS%, and third worst EFG%, which doesn't exactly support the idea that those two need to be on the floor because of their shooting.
Forbes/White and DeRozan/White both have positive NetRtg, better EFG% and TS%.

I'll say it again: Forbes and DeRozan on the floor together is a losing proposition. They both have their good points, but we KNOW that DeRozan is going to be starting, which means that Forbes needs to not be starting - or on the floor with DeRozan at all, if it can be avoided. I think that makes him expendable. I know the Spurs aren't going to trade him, and couldn't get much if they tried. But any team that has Forbes and DeRozan starting together will be mediocre, because there is just too big of a defensive hole to consistently make up for on the offensive end.

White/Forbes and White/DeRozan both have positive NetRtg, much better EFG% and TS%, better AST/TO, etc.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Forbes is fools gold. Call me when he doesn't get thrashed in a playoff series and is a net positive for this team.

[BatManu20]

Lol the logic in this thread. “Forbes sucks. Let’s use him as trade-bait to move up multiple spots in the draft!”

[duncan2150]

One guy who could be avalaible at 17-20. People may not like him as he’s a foreign player, young( just turn 18) and not ready yet but he could be interesting and playing in french League is not easy for a young guy.

https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/status/1104748992175489026?s=12

[Ignazzz]

One guy who could be avalaible at 17-20. People may not like him as he’s a foreign player, young( just turn 18) and not ready yet but he could be interesting and playing in french League is not easy for a young guy.

https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/status/1104748992175489026?s=12

top 12 prospect

out of range for spurs

Too risky give up both picks via Trade up

[8FOR!3]

I just think defensively it's a killer when your shooting guards are Forbes/Mills/Belinelli. Maybe next year White or Murray is moved to shooting guard and that helps out the starting defense a ton but then that leaves Mills/Forbes/Belinelli coming off the bench which is a horrible and not at all athletic 1/2/3 defensive punch and it basically leaves no chance for Walker to move into the rotation next year.

[exstatic]

I just think defensively it's a killer when your shooting guards are Forbes/Mills/Belinelli. Maybe next year White or Murray is moved to shooting guard and that helps out the starting defense a ton but then that leaves Mills/Forbes/Belinelli coming off the bench which is a horrible and not at all athletic 1/2/3 defensive punch and it basically leaves no chance for Walker to move into the rotation next year.

Walker will be in the rotation next year. They had plans to play him THIS year, but that injury during training camp put the kibosh on that. If you're a rookie, you MUST have a full training camp. His injury came at the worst possible time.

You also act like Pop regularly does hockey line changes. There's no need for both DJ and White to go to the bench at the same time. You send one out, and then stagger them in and out so that you always have one quality defending guard on the floor.

[duncan2150]

top 12 prospect

out of range for spurs

Too risky give up both picks via Trade up

He is not in a lot of mocks top 12. A lot will depends on workouts but i think he could be there when the Spurs picks.

[BackHome]

I wish but I think the Spurs draft range will be 19 to 21 which probably best player available would be a Center Goga or Fernando.

[duncan2150]

I agree but i really think except maybe the top 4 ( williamson barret morant reddish) a lot can happen on this draft. Offcourse some guys seems out of reach with a 18-21 pick but there could be a lot of surprises.

[acoelho1]

This is not the old days where we have 3 hall of famers on the team and could afford to let our young talent develop slowly. I fully expect Walker to be in the rotation unless he’s a total disaster. Murray will be starting and it’s probaby Forbes that’s the odd man out.

[rascal]

I wish but I think the Spurs draft range will be 19 to 21 which probably best player available would be a Center Goga or Fernando.

The spurs aren't going to get a strong player out of this draft. They will be picking too low.

[8FOR!3]

Walker will be in the rotation next year. They had plans to play him THIS year, but that injury during training camp put the kibosh on that. If you're a rookie, you MUST have a full training camp. His injury came at the worst possible time.

You also act like Pop regularly does hockey line changes. There's no need for both DJ and White to go to the bench at the same time. You send one out, and then stagger them in and out so that you always have one quality defending guard on the floor.

Ok I didn't clarify this but my point is where does Walker fit into that rotation? Seems like Forbes or Mills or Belinelli would be the odd man out, but we know Mills and Belinelli won't.

[BackHome]

Yeah we are not getting a KY but I am looking at getting pieces and upgrading our bench. So if Spurs think they can teach Thybulle to shoot the 3 then I would not be upset if we used our first on him. Also would be happy to get Goga or Fernando if we not bringing over Nikola that gives us two strong defense players with possible offensive potential

[cd021]

Ok I didn't clarify this but my point is where does Walker fit into that rotation? Seems like Forbes or Mills or Belinelli would be the odd man out, but we know Mills and Belinelli won't.

I think the Spurs brought Beli back, in part because they did not think that Walker would be ready in the next 2 years to be a rotation player. After next season I expect him to be in the rotation.

[Ignazzz]

He is not in a lot of mocks top 12. A lot will depends on workouts but i think he could be there when the Spurs picks.

he is solid #12-14 pick in mostly mocks
only hope in march madness „madness”
4-5 dark horses are needed from NCAA Tournament

NCAA hype can help but Pistons Nets and Jazz can be interested in Him too.

Imo Pistons will grab him

[cd021]

Your thinking is too linear. Start White, have him play off the ball with the starters, then run the show when DD sits down.

The more I think about it, the more I think that white is better suited playing on the bench, as the 6th man. DDR can be the primary ball handler and Murray can be the secondary ball handler in the SL.

Forbes is better suited playing alongside them because he is a higher volume shooter and better than White shooting the 3, making him more ideal playing off the ball.

Byrn can start and play the first seven minutes of each half; White can then play the final five minutes of the first and third quarter and the first four minutes of the second and fourth quarter, then come back in and close each half after a few minutes on the bench.

In that scenario, White would have about 12 minutes per game to be the primary ball handler in units with likely Mills, Beli, Bertans, and Poeltl.

[duncan2150]

The spurs aren't going to get a strong player out of this draft. They will be picking too low.

even if they draft 12 or something like that, you're not sure about a strong player. The goal for the Spurs is to grab players who can bring some depth, youth, athletism, defense..... to the team.

[duncan2150]

The more I think about it, the more I think that white is better suited playing on the bench, as the 6th man. DDR can be the primary ball handler and Murray can be the secondary ball handler in the SL.

Forbes is better suited playing alongside them because he is a higher volume shooter and better than White shooting the 3, making him more ideal playing off the ball.

Byrn can start and play the first seven minutes of each half; White can then play the final five minutes of the first and third quarter and the first four minutes of the second and fourth quarter, then come back in and close each half after a few minutes on the bench.

In that scenario, White would have about 12 minutes per game to be the primary ball handler in units with likely Mills, Beli, Bertans, and Poeltl.

If the spurs grab another pg/sg or sg/sf what will be the scenario for you , will forbes stay and play or Mills ? and you can have walker playing a little bit also.

[ZeusWillJudge]

He is not in a lot of mocks top 12. A lot will depends on workouts but i think he could be there when the Spurs picks.


Right now Doumbouya is getting a lot of attention. I think he'll go higher than he should. Maybe he just reminds me too much of Livio Jean-Charles in the Nike Hoops Summit, but I'm not high on him.

[duncan2150]

Right now Doumbouya is getting a lot of attention. I think he'll go higher than he should. Maybe he just reminds me too much of Livio Jean-Charles in the Nike Hoops Summit, but I'm not high on him.

he was struggling a little bit in french league but if he plays like his last game ( highlights here https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/sta...175489026?s=12 (https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/status/1104748992175489026?s=12) ) that will give him more value for sure. he's a really interesting prospect but you can't know if he will be good or not, a lot will depend on his developement because he has all the tools.

Livio story is different, he came a little bit from nowhere and the knee injury killed him. Doumbouya is stronger, taller , with more experience and more skilled than livio imo.

[cd021]

If the spurs grab another pg/sg or sg/sf what will be the scenario for you , will forbes stay and play or Mills ? and you can have walker playing a little bit also.

I don't think the rotation expands beyond adding Murray back into the mix next season. Walker will probably be on deck for some minutes but will be playing behind several players.

I don't think anyone who they draft will be in line for minutes, next season, instead mostly playing in the G league and developing there.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Livio story is different, he came a little bit from nowhere and the knee injury killed him. Doumbouya is stronger, taller , with more experience and more skilled than livio imo.

Are you sure? I thought the two were almost identical in size and body type.

I know it's not fair because of LJC's injury, but I never thought he was going to be a factor in the NBA. And I thought he should have dominated before the injury, if he was going to live up to his hype. He didn't.

I was saying that the similarity of body build and style may color my thinking. I have to look, but I swear I thought the two are almost identical.

[duncan2150]

Are you sure? I thought the two were almost identical in size and body type.

I know it's not fair because of LJC's injury, but I never thought he was going to be a factor in the NBA. And I thought he should have dominated before the injury, if he was going to live up to his hype. He didn't.

I was saying that the similarity of body build and style may color my thinking. I have to look, but I swear I thought the two are almost identical.

they have similar height at 6-9 but Livio is thinner. I think doumbouya could continue to grow a little.

I don't think the rotation expands beyond adding Murray back into the mix next season. Walker will probably be on deck for some minutes but will be playing behind several players.

I don't think anyone who they draft will be in line for minutes, next season, instead mostly playing in the G league and developing there.

Yes you can be right.

[BackHome]

It depends on who they draft I think if they draft Goga or Thybulle they would see playing time right away.

[ZeusWillJudge]

they have similar height at 6-9 but Livio is thinner. I think doumbouya could continue to grow a little.

Maybe Doumbouya has bulked up. I saw them both play, and to me they looked like body doubles. And I think both were listed at about 217 lbs. I admit though, I thought LJC looked thinner than he had been when he was here that summer.

https://www.basketeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/sekou-doumbouya-limoges-csp-photo-limoges-ec18-e1541602954206.jpg
https://medias.lequipe.fr/img-photo-jpg/livio-jean-charles-doit-soigner-son-genou-gauche-r-martin-l-equipe/1500000001019020/0:0,2000:1333-624-416-75/5bcb0.jpg

[BackHome]

He has potential to be really good or really bad but he is a development for sure

[duncan2150]

Maybe Doumbouya has bulked up. I saw them both play, and to me they looked like body doubles. And I think both were listed at about 217 lbs. I admit though, I thought LJC looked thinner than he had been when he was here that summer.

https://www.basketeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/sekou-doumbouya-limoges-csp-photo-limoges-ec18-e1541602954206.jpg
https://medias.lequipe.fr/img-photo-jpg/livio-jean-charles-doit-soigner-son-genou-gauche-r-martin-l-equipe/1500000001019020/0:0,2000:1333-624-416-75/5bcb0.jpg

i saw 217 lbs for Livio and 230 for doumbouya. Look a this picture ( with gobert) just before the draft. He looks thin.
https://www.lnb.fr/fr/article/livio-jean-charles-asvel-une-belle-exposition-6787.html
https://goo.gl/images/J3YqRj

[Babyboy]

I think there maybe many sleepers as I look over nbadraftnets mock
according to it thybule will be available near our second round pick and he would be a good defensive pickup that late

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK1YSj5fMB8
he already has chemistry with Murray(former teammates) as does the next prospect I'm talking about
which his kevin porter who's stock has fell from a top 5 pick to the 27th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHrPLDYtMvg
we can possibly pick him up too
also the mock I was looking at had us getting bolbol too who would be a nice young center

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAw8ICwubK0
end of the day we have three picks I hope we don't screw this up

[cd021]

It depends on who they draft I think if they draft Goga or Thybulle they would see playing time right away.

I really don't know how any draftee cracks the rotation tbh. I could see at least 10 players playing at least around 15 mpg.

[cd021]

Doumbouya looks promisings and may be around at 19 but probably is much closer to a 4 than a 3 in today's NBA, I am curious to know does he consistently take 3s or only takes them occasionally.

[south side spur]

I don't think the rotation expands beyond adding Murray back into the mix next season. Walker will probably be on deck for some minutes but will be playing behind several players.

I don't think anyone who they draft will be in line for minutes, next season, instead mostly playing in the G league and developing there.

That goes right along with the Pop “pay your dues” philosophy but wouldn’t it be sweet to have a 6’6-6’8 athletic defensive rookie wing out there instead of Forbes? It sickens me every time I see him on the floor.

[cd021]

That goes right along with the Pop “pay your dues” philosophy but wouldn’t it be sweet to have a 6’6-6’8 athletic defensive rookie wing out there instead of Forbes? It sickens me every time I see him on the floor.

If the rotation plays out as it does in my post, above, Forbes would have a significantly reduced role- one that is better suited for him, still starting but playing around 15 mpg with Murray, DeRozan, Gay and Aldridge.

I do think with the level of potential depth next season, whoever gets drafted wouldn't really have a chance to crack it anyway.

[Thomas82]

I think there maybe many sleepers as I look over nbadraftnets mock
according to it thybule will be available near our second round pick and he would be a good defensive pickup that late

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK1YSj5fMB8
he already has chemistry with Murray(former teammates) as does the next prospect I'm talking about
which his kevin porter who's stock has fell from a top 5 pick to the 27th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHrPLDYtMvg
we can possibly pick him up too
also the mock I was looking at had us getting bolbol too who would be a nice young center

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAw8ICwubK0
end of the day we have three picks I hope we don't screw this up

If Bol Bol is there when it our turn to pick, I don't see how we can pass on him......same thing thing with Jaxson Hayes, Bruno Fernando, or Daniel Gafford.

[duncan2150]

Doumbouya looks promisings and may be around at 19 but probably is much closer to a 4 than a 3 in today's NBA, I am curious to know does he consistently take 3s or only takes them occasionally.

I also think he is more a four, This year he is taking nearly two threes per game at 32%, last year in french second League he took nearly three 3's at 30% So it's a work in progress.

[sasaint]

If Bol Bol is there when it our turn to pick, I don't see how we can pass on him......same thing thing with Jaxson Hayes, Bruno Fernando, or Daniel Gafford.

I have seen much more of Jaxson Hayes, so I am biased. But I prefer his versatility over Bol Bol. Plus didn't I hear some rumblings about Bol Bol's work ethic/motor? I don't see that as an issue with Hayes.

[Russ]

I think there maybe many sleepers as I look over nbadraftnets mock
according to it thybule will be available near our second round pick and he would be a good defensive pickup that late

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK1YSj5fMB8
he already has chemistry with Murray(former teammates) as does the next prospect I'm talking about
which his kevin porter who's stock has fell from a top 5 pick to the 27th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHrPLDYtMvg
we can possibly pick him up too
also the mock I was looking at had us getting bolbol too who would be a nice young center

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAw8ICwubK0
end of the day we have three picks I hope we don't screw this up

I don't think the Pac-12 is very good this year.

Also, at least two of those three are injury prone.

[Thomas82]

I have seen much more of Jaxson Hayes, so I am biased. But I prefer his versatility over Bol Bol. Plus didn't I hear some rumblings about Bol Bol's work ethic/motor? I don't see that as an issue with Hayes.

I most certainly won't complain if we get Jaxson Hayes.

[CGD]

That kid from Washington in the video looks good for #29. Looks like a Danny Green type.

I really like that Virigina guy Hunter at #18 (or whatever it is), but he might go before then.

[sasaint]

That kid from Washington in the video looks good for #29. Looks like a Danny Green type.

I really like that Virigina guy Hunter at #18 (or whatever it is), but he might go before then.

Hunter should be gone by 18, but he might be worth moving up for - depends on the price.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Hunter should be gone by 18, but he might be worth moving up for - depends on the price.


Hunter's stock just keeps going up. Right now it's looking almost certain that he'll be in the top 10. If he has a good tournament, and expect he will, he could be gone by 6. I thought he was going to be a sleeper in the draft, but he's anything but that now.

[sasaint]

Hunter's stock just keeps going up. Right now it's looking almost certain that he'll be in the top 10. If he has a good tournament, and expect he will, he could be gone by 6. I thought he was going to be a sleeper in the draft, but he's anything but that now.

I think he will be gone by 12 at the very latest - regardless of his tourney performance. A great tourney might get him to 6, but 10 is very likely. I have watched him quite a bit this year. The only thing I can really criticize about him is that he can be too deferential, but when you have a couple of guys like Jerome and Guy who can get scorching hot, that is rather understandable. UVa plays a pretty democratic offense...

[BackHome]

Just curious with the impact of the 3 ball what are your thoughts on Tyler Herro?

[exstatic]

That kid from Washington in the video looks good for #29. Looks like a Danny Green type.

I really like that Virigina guy Hunter at #18 (or whatever it is), but he might go before then.

Thuybul seems to be on that Elfrid Payton trajectory. EP started out as a late first round prospect, and was drafted in the top 10. Like Payton,if he goes to a team with a subpar development program, he’ll bust. I think he could be really good in SA, but I’m not sure even our higher first rounder will be soon enough to grab him.

[duncan2150]

Thuybul seems to be on that Elfrid Payton trajectory. EP started out as a late first round prospect, and was drafted in the top 10. Like Payton,if he goes to a team with a subpar development program, he’ll bust. I think he could be really good in SA, but I’m not sure even our higher first rounder will be soon enough to grab him.

he is 22 with not a lot of offensive skills, imo except if he test really good at the combine i don't think he will be top 15 but there is a chance he could go in our range.

Payton was pretty good overall in NCAA , Thybulle was not on the radar since 1-2 months ago.


Just curious with the impact of the 3 ball what are your thoughts on Tyler Herro?

Looks like a good prospect, i don't know about his defense tough.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Latest Mock Draft Ahead of NCAA Tournament
Zach Buckley
March 12, 2019


19. San Antonio Spurs: Jontay Porter, C, Missouri


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Ty Jerome, SG, Virginia

[Drom John]

NBC Sports Washington: 2019 NBA Mock Draft 3.0: How will March Madness impact the draft?
March 7, 2019



18. San Antonio Spurs: KZ Okpala

College: Stanford
Position: Forward
Height/Weight: 6-9/215
Year: Sophomore

Okpala is an adept scorer with good length and good athleticism. But his ball control is a bit of an issue, which minimizes his skill as a playmaker. But he's going to be able to get buckets as a pro.




29. San Antonio Spurs (via TOR): Goga Bitadze

International player
Position: Center
Height/Weight: 6-11/250
Age: 19

If there's an international project to be taken in the first round, it's the Spurs that will be doing the picking. Bitadze isn't a great athlete and is more mid-range on offense than a stretch-5 or a true low-post threat. But he has good touch, a geat I.Q. and has size you can't teach.

[sasaint]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Latest Mock Draft Ahead of NCAA Tournament
Zach Buckley
March 12, 2019

If the Spurs ended up with those two, I would tell my wife to hide all our knives. And I am a huge UVa fan.

[duncan2150]

If the Spurs ended up with those two, I would tell my wife to hide all our knives. And I am a huge UVa fan.

:) totally agree.

[Drom John]

CBS Sports: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Duke's Zion Williamson is the clear top pick and three Blue Devils are in the top five
Gary Parrish, Mar 8, 2019


19
team logo
Spurs

Bol Bol | Oregon | Fr | C | 7-2

Bol is probably the most polarizing prospect in this draft. On one hand, he's a 7-2 center who can put the ball on the floor, shoot 3-pointers effectively and alter and block shots like nobody else available. That's the good. On the other hand, he's a 7-2 center who struggles to guard in space and missed most of this season after suffering a foot injury in December that required surgery in January. That's the bad. Some franchises will have him in the top 10, others outside of the top 20. Exactly where Bol will land in June is one of this draft's greatest mysteries.


28
team logo
Spurs

Luguentz Dort | Arizona State | Fr | SG | 6-4

Pick via Toronto : Dort became just the third consensus top-50 high school prospect to enroll at Arizona State — joining a list that includes James Harden and Jahii Carson — and he's a big reason the Sun Devils are about to make the NCAA Tournament for the second straight year under Bobby Hurley. The 6-4 freshman from Montreal is averaging 16 points and getting to the free throw line more than six times per game. He has a 6-9 wingspan and real desire to guard both quicker and bigger players. His 215-pound frame is put together better than most college freshmen carry around. And although Dort is not a natural point guard, he's spent part of this season proving he can play on or off the ball.

[sasaint]

Just curious with the impact of the 3 ball what are your thoughts on Tyler Herro?

In addition to being a great sharpshooter, he is tough and has a great motor. He doesn't fill a need, though. I wouldn't mind seeing Tariq Owens (Texas Tech) on Spurs' summer league team.

[Drom John]

Basketball Insiders: NBA Daily: 60-Pick NBA Mock Draft – 3/12/19
Steve Kyler



19

Brandon Clarke
San Antonio Spurs

GonzagaJunior
Age: 21
Height: 6' 8
Position: PF/C
Weight: 215




29

Jalen Smith
San Antonio Spurs

MarylandFreshman
Age: 19
Height: 6' 10
Position: PF
Weight: 215




49

Dean Wade
San Antonio Spurs

Kansas St. Senior
Age: 20
Height: 6' 10
Position: PF
Weight: 230

[Drom John]

Sports Illustrated: The Crossover: 2019 NBA Draft Big Board 5.0: Top 80 Rankings Ahead of NCAA Tournament
By Jeremy Woo March 13, 2019

Not team specific


19. Tyler Herro, SG, Kentucky | Freshman

Height: 6’5” | Weight: 195 | Age: 19 | Last Rank: 27

Kentucky’s improved play has been a good platform for Herro to showcase his skillset, and he’s taken advantage. His ability to make difficult shots from deep and playmake a little on the side has always been endearing, and he plays with a bit more toughness than is generally advertised. Herro has cut back a bit on his tendency to overdribble, and profiles as a potentially dangerous supporting scorer on the perimeter. His body type doesn’t have much appeal from an NBA standpoint, but his overall defensive effort has been encouraging, and there have been games where he looks like his team’s best prospect. He’s more or less established himself as a first-rounder at this point.


29. Tre Jones, PG, Duke | Freshman

Height: 6’2” | Weight: 185 | Age: 19 | Last Rank: 29

Jones continues to be a rock-solid, if unspectacular, contributor for Duke, and his maturity and unselfishness are traits that will serve him well at the NBA level. He’s established himself as one of the best defenders in college basketball, with extremely quick hands and anticipation skills. Bigger, more athletic guards can take advantage of him at times, but Jones will have to hang his hat on that end to survive long-term. Still, there is a real concern that he could be an offensive detractor if his three-point shooting doesn’t improve—he’s a good passer and doesn’t make many mistakes, but it’s extremely difficult to play with the ball in your hands in the NBA without being a threat to score. There’s some optimism he can figure it out, and being able to keep defenses honest will go a long way for him.


49. Shamorie Ponds, G, St. John’s | Junior

Height: 6’1” | Weight: 180 | Age: 20 | Last Rank: 49

Ponds is another player you either love or hate, but his shot-creation and creativity playing off the dribble does offer some appeal. He is not physically imposing in any way, but has a good level of craft to his game as a scorer and should be a threat to shoot from outside. Some teams will be turned off by his shoot-first approach, and his auxiliary counting stats are somewhat inflated by his heavy on-ball minutes and the lack of other passers on the roster. Nobody is mistaking him for a true point guard. Ponds’ productivity and ability to create off the dribble will appeal to some teams, but his lack of great physicality will be a stumbling point.

[Drom John]

Fansided: 8.9 Seconds: 8P9S NBA Mock Draft 1.0: With the 26th pick, the Indiana Pacers select…
by Ben Gibson 6 days ago [AKA 7 March 2019]


No. 19 — San Antonio Spurs: Goga Bitadze, C

Team: KK Buducnost | Height: 6’11” | Weight: 245 | Age: 19

The Spurs have a history of drafting excellent Euro players and the Spurs have a history of drafting very well. Georgian center Goga Bitadze could be the next in line of San Antonio Euro draft steals. The Spurs could afford to take a chance on a big with some upside, as Pau Gasol is gone and Jakob Poeltl is what he is.

BItadze’s movement is much improved and he is no longer a liability covering the pick and roll. He shoots an easy ball and has flashed shooting ability, along with some serious flashes of skill: putting the ball on the floor and making good passes.

More obviously, he is a 19-year-old putting up impressive numbers in the Euroleague, a feat most European teenagers do not achieve. Drafting a coordinated big with real offensive upside in the late teens is a fantastic grab for San Antonio here and Bitadze would have no better coach to help him ascend to his potential outcome. — Ben Pfeifer


No. 29 — San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors):
Nickeil Alexander-Walker,G

School: Virginia Tech | Class: Sophomore | Height: 6’5″ | Weight: 205 | Age: 20
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The Spurs probably need help at nearly every position (looking long-term), so a combo guard like Nickeil Alexander-Walker fits the bill perfectly.

Alexander-Walker’s 16.5 points a game come thanks to the fact he can score in more than one way. His ability to finish at the rim — with both hands — and solid 3-point shooting (38.4 percent career average) are his strengths on offense while his propensity for turnovers (3.8 assists to 2.9 turnovers) leaves something to be desired.

Alexander-Walker’s defense is solid with two steals a game, and more encouragingly, come without risking too much. He displays some of his defensive basketball IQ by being an opportunistic defender versus an overly aggressive one that leaves the team’s defense vulnerable while trying to be the hero.

The Hokies play zone defense, so while there are some questions on just how strong his defense is, he is showing the right skills within his team’s scheme. Finding the right role is required, but that isn’t too much to ask of Gregg Popovich.

[Drom John]

heavy: NBA Mock Draft 2019: Knicks Snag Zion Williamson
By Jonathan Adams
Updated Mar 9, 2019 at 4:00pm


No. 19 Spurs SG Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech


No. 29 Spurs (via Raptors) F Jalen McDaniels, San Diego State

[Drom John]

Fansided: NBA: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: No one in the lottery wants to lose
by Brendon Kleen 6 days ago [AKA 7 March 2019]



29
Goga Bitadze
C, Mega Bemax
Mega Bemax

This pick comes by way of the Raptors, giving the Spurs yet another international big man to mold into the hub of their scheme on both ends. Bitadze can shoot, pass and move well enough to fit right in with the Spurs.



18
P.J. Washington
F/C, Kentucky
Kentucky

Washington just won’t stop. He has the skill and feel to play the 4 in the NBA and he plays hard on both ends. The Spurs have a knack for making tweener players work better than most teams, so this is an ideal landing spot for the SEC Player of the Year candidate.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Jontay Porter
Ty Jerome

If the Spurs ended up with those two, I would tell my wife to hide all our knives. And I am a huge UVa fan.


And if they wind up with these two, just have her mail the knives to me.



KZ Okpala
Goga Bitadze

Okpala is an NBA bust, IMO. But even if I'm wrong about that, he's nowhere near NBA ready next year. Bitadze may develop into an NBA center after some years. But right now he reminds me of a shorter Boban (rookie year), with all the aggression around the basket of Rasho Nesterovic.

[R. DeMurre]

The Spurs have, I imagine, fully scouted Matisse Thybulle-- he plays at the same school that Dejounte did, and he was just named player of the year in the Pac 12, the same conference where Derrick White won first team all conference and first team all defense honors. He has a few characteristics that might make other teams pass, like already being 22 and having some shaky offensive skills, including Danny Green-like handles. I don't think these things would scare off the Spurs. He has the same crazy wingspan body type and defensive mentality as Dejounte and Kawhi, and though his 3pt% has been all over the place, clearly has the potential to be a legit shooter in the future. It's good to see a college conference reward an all around player whose play shows results, instead of just the top scorer. He's definitely the type of player that lottery teams are historically more afraid of, so it'll be interesting to see if there's any chance he drops down to the Spurs...

I just looked at four different mock drafts, and they all had Thybulle going in the 2nd round...

[ceperez]

The Spurs have, I imagine, fully scouted Matisse Thybulle-- he plays at the same school that Dejounte did, and he was just named player of the year in the Pac 12, the same conference where Derrick White won first team all conference and first team all defense honors. He has a few characteristics that might make other teams pass, like already being 22 and having some shaky offensive skills, including Danny Green-like handles. I don't think these things would scare off the Spurs. He has the same crazy wingspan body type and defensive mentality as Dejounte and Kawhi, and though his 3pt% has been all over the place, clearly has the potential to be a legit shooter in the future. It's good to see a college conference reward an all around player whose play shows results, instead of just the top scorer. He's definitely the type of player that lottery teams are historically more afraid of, so it'll be interesting to see if there's any chance he drops down to the Spurs...

I just looked at four different mock drafts, and they all had Thybulle going in the 2nd round...

The bias against older players will mean that Spurs might be able to snatch him with the Raptors pick. He's 22 and only 6'5", GMs will be conservative and pick based on upside and not on readiness.

Bol Bol likely will be available come Spurs pick, it's a major gamble though to pick him.

[exstatic]

he is 22 with not a lot of offensive skills, imo except if he test really good at the combine i don't think he will be top 15 but there is a chance he could go in our range.

Payton was pretty good overall in NCAA , Thybulle was not on the radar since 1-2 months ago.



Looks like a good prospect, i don't know about his defense tough.

He actually was much better offensively his first three years, and anyone who was there for DJ or Fultz would know that. He even had a mid range game. This year, everything is a three, or at the rim.

This is a guy who could legitimately put up a 5 X 5 every so often, like Draymond does, or Kirlienko used to.

[R. DeMurre]

Nice article on Thybulle:

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/09/draft-notes-thybulle-thybulle-thybulle/

[R. DeMurre]

He actually was much better offensively his first three years, and anyone who was there for DJ or Fultz would know that. He even had a mid range game. This year, everything is a three, or at the rim.

This is a guy who could legitimately put up a 5 X 5 every so often, like Draymond does, or Kirlienko used to.


Kirilenko was always a guy I'd hoped would be a Spur...

[duncan2150]

He actually was much better offensively his first three years, and anyone who was there for DJ or Fultz would know that. He even had a mid range game. This year, everything is a three, or at the rim.

This is a guy who could legitimately put up a 5 X 5 every so often, like Draymond does, or Kirlienko used to.

Yes he was better and this year even at 3 he shoots 33%, that’s not bad but not that good. I really think for him that everything will depend on his combine and offcourse workouts. I imagine him going 15-35 in this draft.

[sasaint]

And if they wind up with these two, just have her mail the knives to me.



Okpala is an NBA bust, IMO. But even if I'm wrong about that, he's nowhere near NBA ready next year. Bitadze may develop into an NBA center after some years. But right now he reminds me of a shorter Boban (rookie year), with all the aggression around the basket of Rasho Nesterovic.

Are you implying you would be good with Porter and Jerome?

[sasaint]

Kirilenko was always a guy I'd hoped would be a Spur...

I think a lot of us did.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Are you implying you would be good with Porter and Jerome?


LOL. No. Just don't want to over-commit your knives.

[BackHome]

I want no part of Porter , KZ, or Bol Bol.

[Biggems]

I like Bol Bol a lot, but I am worried about his ability to remain healthy on that tall, but very slight frame.

Get ready to roast me and rip me to shreds in true Spurs Talk fashion with these 3 picks

C Bruno Fernando - Maryland
PF Luka Samanic - Petrol Olimpija - most likely a draft and stash
G/F Dylan Windler - Belmont

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Predictions for Top Prospects in NCAA Tournament
Zach Buckley
March 14, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Jontay Porter, C, Missouri


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Ty Jerome, SG, Virginia

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: The Lakers are finished
by Brendon Kleen 5 hours ago [AKA 14 March 2019]



29
Bruno Fernando
C, Maryland
Maryland

Fernando is one of the few big men in this draft you could see playing crunch time against the NBA’s most versatile teams. It could mean he goes far higher than this, but Toronto could steal him as a bench/development option behind veterans Serge Ibaka and Marc Gasol.



18
Jontay Porter
F/C, Missouri
Missouri

Porter is recovering from a preseason knee injury but would be a nice balance for San Antonio’s array of young, athletic guards at the elbow and spacing the floor.

[BackHome]

First Pick:
P.J Washington 6’8 PF
Bruno Fernando 6’9 Center
Goga Bitadze 6’11 Center

2nd Pick:
Deivadas Sirvydis 6’8 SF
Chuma Okeke 6’8 SF/PF
Matisse Thybulle 6’5 SF

Also Like:
Louis King 6’9 SF
Neemias Queta 6’11 - Wing 7’5 Standing 9’6 (Do It RC)

[Thomas82]

I like Bol Bol a lot, but I am worried about his ability to remain healthy on that tall, but very slight frame.

Get ready to roast me and rip me to shreds in true Spurs Talk fashion with these 3 picks

C Bruno Fernando - Maryland
PF Luka Samanic - Petrol Olimpija - most likely a draft and stash
G/F Dylan Windler - Belmont

I would be cool with Bruno. I would also get Daniel Gafford if he's still there.

[sasaint]

Sports Illustrated: The Crossover: 2019 NBA Draft Big Board 5.0: Top 80 Rankings Ahead of NCAA Tournament
By Jeremy Woo March 13, 2019

Not team specific

Man, this is worse than the BR Mock you posted. You must enjoy conveying bad news/projections. I advise you to be careful; on ST we shoot the bearers of disagreeable tidings...

[r0drig0lac]

Man, this is worse than the BR Mock you posted. You must enjoy conveying bad news/projections. I advise you to be careful; on ST we shoot the bearers of disagreeable tidings...

https://media.giphy.com/media/rCqZrnD3V6SRi/giphy.gif

[sasaint]

https://media.giphy.com/media/rCqZrnD3V6SRi/giphy.gif

Question: Are you just posting news or projections you endorse?

[ZeusWillJudge]

First Pick:
P.J Washington 6’8 PF
Bruno Fernando 6’9 Center
Goga Bitadze 6’11 Center

2nd Pick:
Deivadas Sirvydis 6’8 SF
Chuma Okeke 6’8 SF/PF
Matisse Thybulle 6’5 SF

Also Like:
Louis King 6’9 SF
Neemias Queta 6’11 - Wing 7’5 Standing 9’6 (Do It RC)


I can't say that I love your list. I see a lot of mocks throwing PJ Washington at the Spurs, but I think he's the worst kind of tweener. He's got a Dejuan Blair ceiling - if he puts on 40 lbs.

But you're the first person I've seen mention Okeke. I wouldn't cry if they drafted Okeke, even though he'd likely spend the first year in Austin. (Same with Sirvydis.) But Okeke can shoot, and if he could get some time with Chip, I think he might be a damn good pickup. Right now I see too many other players ahead of him to go in the first round, but with the demand for SF's, who knows? I really like Thybulle's D, but he would be yet another 6'5" player on the roster - and Okeke is a good defender as well.

Neemias Queta? Seriously? :nope

[Thomas82]

Bleacher Report: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: The Lakers are finished
by Brendon Kleen 5 hours ago [AKA 14 March 2019]

They must have forgotten that the Toronto pick is actually our now.

[keithington1]

First Pick:
P.J Washington 6’8 PF
Bruno Fernando 6’9 Center
Goga Bitadze 6’11 Center

2nd Pick:
Deivadas Sirvydis 6’8 SF
Chuma Okeke 6’8 SF/PF
Matisse Thybulle 6’5 SF

Also Like:
Louis King 6’9 SF
Neemias Queta 6’11 - Wing 7’5 Standing 9’6 (Do It RC)

Their will be better players available with the first and second picks.

[keithington1]

My Spurs Big Board so far: Change my mind
De'andre Hunter
Rui Hachimura
Sekou Doumbouya
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Brandon Clarke
Kevin Porter Jr.
Jontay Porter
Nassir Little
Bol Bol
Nickel Alexander Walker
Jaxson Hayes
Mattise Thybulle
KZ Okpala
Chuma Okeke
Goga Bitadze
Cameron Johnson
Grant Williams
Coby White
Daniel Gafford
Zach Norvell
Talen Horton Tucker
Bruno Fernando
Charles Bassey
PJ Washington
Isaiah Roby
Deividas Sirvydis
Jalen McDaniels
Ty Jerome
Tyler Herro

[BackHome]

I am starting to think this draft is going to be very weak but I agree I see a lot of guys moving in and out of first and second round.

[R. DeMurre]

Great article on Matisse Thybulle's defense:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/09/draft-notes-thybulle-thybulle-thybulle/

The case for Matisse Thybulle being a fit for the Spurs is pretty compelling:

1. Great defender, arguably the best in college basketball.
2. Potentially better than average/good 3 point shooter.
3. Historically, the kind of player whose impact can often be far beyond his salary expectations: like Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Tony Allen, Andrei Kirilenko, etc... i.e., a future bargain.
4. "Over himself," would be fine playing D and scoring 10 ppg.

[Mr. Body]

Great article on Matisse Thybulle's defense:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/09/draft-notes-thybulle-thybulle-thybulle/

The case for Matisse Thybulle being a fit for the Spurs is pretty compelling:

1. Great defender, arguably the best in college basketball.
2. Potentially better than average/good 3 point shooter.
3. Historically, the kind of player whose impact can often be far beyond his salary expectations: like Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Tony Allen, Andrei Kirilenko, etc... i.e., a future bargain.
4. "Over himself," would be fine playing D and scoring 10 ppg.

That author says Zion would start over Chris Webber on the Fab Five. That's some crazy shit.

[exstatic]

Great article on Matisse Thybulle's defense:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/09/draft-notes-thybulle-thybulle-thybulle/

The case for Matisse Thybulle being a fit for the Spurs is pretty compelling:

1. Great defender, arguably the best in college basketball.
2. Potentially better than average/good 3 point shooter.
3. Historically, the kind of player whose impact can often be far beyond his salary expectations: like Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Tony Allen, Andrei Kirilenko, etc... i.e., a future bargain.
4. "Over himself," would be fine playing D and scoring 10 ppg.

It's not arguable. He's not only the best in college basketball, he's the best in 30-40 years. Averaging 3 steals and 2 blocks per game is inhuman. There is a 'club' in the NBA: guys who average a steal and a block and shoot 40% from 3. It's not a huge club. He's shot 40% for a season already, his sophomore year. He could be in this club any year he shot 40% beyond the arc. The article said that if he does become a consistent 3 point threat to the tune of 40%, he could have an overall HOF level impact on the team, and never get paid accordingly, because he wouldn't be a scorer.

I put an arbitrary minimum of 100 3PA to make sure that the guys are regular shooters, and played a reasonable amount of games. Here's the club:

Danny Green
Kevin Durant
Danny Granger, twice
Donyell Marshall
Paul Pierce, twice
Vince Carter, twice
Cliff Robinson
Larry Bird

[spurs50_]

Is Matisse 6'5" or 6'7"?

[BackHome]

He is 6’5 but is supposed to have length so it will be interesting to see what his combine measurements will be. He is a great defender but with Murray and White I don’t know if we need another defender vs a true SF would not be upset if we drafted him though.

[exstatic]

Is Matisse 6'5" or 6'7"?

I've actually heard 6'6", but I don't remember where.

[BackHome]

Draft Net has him at 6’6 every where else I have seen him at 6’5.

[Gordy58]

Please no more 6’5 guards or rim rolling centers

[ZeusWillJudge]

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

[duncan2150]

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

+ 1

that's why i don't see him as top 15 pick , imo he could be a late first. If we could get him with the Toronto pick that could be good.

[ragas]

Charlie Brown (St. Joseph's) - This is the guy I want for the Spurs

[exstatic]

Charlie Brown (St. Joseph's) - This is the guy I want for the Spurs

Yeah, you probably would have drafted Alfrederick Hughes, too.

[ceperez]

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

Good to hear some NEGATIVES. That'll give Spurs a chance to pick him up and maybe fix his shot.

The highest I've seen him go in the mock drafts is at #30. Most of the time he's in the 2nd round.

Honestly, GMs are rarely going to draft seniors in the 1st round.

[exstatic]

Good to hear some NEGATIVES. That'll give Spurs a chance to pick him up and maybe fix his shot.

The highest I've seen him go in the mock drafts is at #30. Most of the time he's in the 2nd round.

Honestly, GMs are rarely going to draft seniors in the 1st round.

The thing that hit be about that article is his complete opposite-ness to where the league is going, and how valuable that is. The analogy of Pedro Martinez being SUPER valuable because he was a dominant MLB pitcher in the HR era really resonated with me. If you can get a world class defender in the free shooting, no defense NBA era, he could be extremely valuable.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Latest Mock Draft with NCAA Tournament Coming Up
Jake RillMarch 15, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Grant Williams, PF, Tennessee


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Talen Horton-Tucker, SF, Iowa State

[Drom John]

nbadraft.net: Consensus Mock 2019
(92 users) Updated: 3/15/19 8:00 am


20

San Antonio San Antonio

Jaxson Hayes

6-11

220

PF/C

Texas


29

<a href='' title='Spurs receive Raptors 2019 first round pick (top 20 protected, or 2020 second rounder)' class='.mock_team_link'>*San Antonio</a> *San Antonio

Jalen McDaniels

6-10

195

PF

San Diego St.


50

San Antonio San Antonio

Jaylen Hoard

6-8

220

SF/PF

Wake Forest

Fr.

[Biggems]

nbadraft.net: Consensus Mock 2019
(92 users) Updated: 3/15/19 8:00 am

Just say no to hayes...

[R. DeMurre]

If Thybulle played for the Spurs, I think he'd be similar to Bruce Bowen as a three point threat-- not a high volume shooter by any means, but just enough of a threat to keep his own defender from wandering off to help on double teams.

Bowen was such an anomaly in so many ways as a player. He saw significant minutes for the first time in the NBA at age 26, the first time he averaged over 30 mpg he was already 29, and one year had a higher 3pt% than FT%. And when he played in Europe, he was a scorer... funny.

[exstatic]

If Thybulle played for the Spurs, I think he'd be similar to Bruce Bowen as a three point threat-- not a high volume shooter by any means, but just enough of a threat to keep his own defender from wandering off to help on double teams.

Bowen was such an anomaly in so many ways as a player. He saw significant minutes for the first time in the NBA at age 26, the first time he averaged over 30 mpg he was already 29, and one year had a higher 3pt% than FT%. And when he played in Europe, he was a scorer... funny.

LOL. I remember one time a team tried Hack a Bruce, and he nailed like 5 out of 6.

[8FOR!3]

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

Yeah I wouldn't be upset if we use the Raptors pick on him even though I do view him as an early 2nd round talent bc of that. But I'll trust the team to make the right pick late, like we did with White.

[Thomas82]

nbadraft.net: Consensus Mock 2019
(92 users) Updated: 3/15/19 8:00 am

If we swapped out Jalen McDaniels for Daniel Gafford instead, I would be one very happy man with our first round picks.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well the Spurs won't be getting a lottery pick like the thread title says. But tomorrow is Selection Sunday for the NCAA, and there are some players I'm really looking forward to seeing.

[R. DeMurre]

Matisse Thybulle's Washington Huskies face Oregon tonight for the Pac 12 title. It starts at 7:30 MT on ESPN.

[blah28]

Good article about Matisse Thybulle and they say his wingspan is 7'1. Nice to see how someone likes defense for a change.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26248398/washington-matisse-thybulle-college-basketball-angel-chaos

[R. DeMurre]

Good article about Matisse Thybulle and they say his wingspan is 7'1. Nice to see how someone likes defense for a change.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26248398/washington-matisse-thybulle-college-basketball-angel-chaos


Nice. It'd be a great story if the Spurs got him with the Toronto pick from the Kawhi trade, and he goes on to be an elite NBA defender.

[ceperez]

Yeah I wouldn't be upset if we use the Raptors pick on him even though I do view him as an early 2nd round talent bc of that. But I'll trust the team to make the right pick late, like we did with White.

The only way the Spurs can get a good player is if there's some lingering doubt about a player.

Murray - Too thin and can't shoot.
White - Played 3 years in Division 2 and one year in Division 1.
Walker IV - Injured in College

What's Thybulle's issue? 4 years in college? .31 3point shooting. Yeah.... looks like 2nd round pick.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The only way the Spurs can get a good player is if there's some lingering doubt about a player.

Murray - Too thin and can't shoot.
White - Played 3 years in Division 2 and one year in Division 1.
Walker IV - Injured in College

What's Thybulle's issue? 4 years in college? .31 3point shooting. Yeah.... looks like 2nd round pick.


I like Thybulle. I've been watching him for two years, thinking he would be good for the Spurs. This time last year, about the only discussions you'd read about him were wondering if he was undraftable. I never saw any talk about him possibly going in the first round until the last few weeks.

My biggest concern is that he's 6'5", and the Spurs are already loaded with players about that height. I did a search for active players, over the last 3 years, who are 6'5" and have a 3P% of .310 or less. The list is short - 39 players. And by far the best on the list is DeJounte Murray. Most are dogs who barely have any minutes in the NBA. Take the 3P% up to .330 and the list only grows to 45 players, and you see players like Jeremy Lamb, Jordan Clarkson, Kent Bazemore, and D'Angelo Russel. The point is that 6'5" players who aren't PG's and don't shoot the 3 very well are going to get passed over by a lot of teams in the draft. Thybulle is an exceptional defender, and the reason he's getting any first round consideration is because of people thinking Kawhi Leonard. But he's nowhere near the offensive player that Kawhi was in the season before the draft.

I'm a fan, but I have a hard time seeing him go higher than the Raptors' pick. And the only reason I see there being room for another 6'5" player on the Spurs' roster is because his reach and strength may let him defend some bigger players. If Chip can fix his 3P shot, and he gets up around .400, then he's a bargain. If not, anything above late first round is going to be called a mistake. I know that a lot of people seem to think that improving a 3P shot up to 40% is something anyone can do - especially with Chip coaching them. But it's just not that simple.

[R. DeMurre]

I understand concerns about his shooting, though Thybulle's three previous seasons of 3pt%s being 36.5, 40.5, & 36.6 give him an advantage over someone who has a career average of 31%. His college career average is still over 36%, even with this off year.

I'm interested to see his actual measurements. Some places list him at 6'6" now, which if true & coupled with a 7' wingspan would make him a reasonably sized SF. His teammate Jayden Nowell is listed at 6'4", and Thybulle looks to be more than an inch taller than him, but who knows if that listed height is accurate either... If anyone could benefit financially from a late growth spurt, it would definitely be Matisse.

[bluebellmaniac]

I like Thybulle. I've been watching him for two years, thinking he would be good for the Spurs. This time last year, about the only discussions you'd read about him were wondering if he was undraftable. I never saw any talk about him possibly going in the first round until the last few weeks.

My biggest concern is that he's 6'5", and the Spurs are already loaded with players about that height. I did a search for active players, over the last 3 years, who are 6'5" and have a 3P% of .310 or less. The list is short - 39 players. And by far the best on the list is DeJounte Murray. Most are dogs who barely have any minutes in the NBA. Take the 3P% up to .330 and the list only grows to 45 players, and you see players like Jeremy Lamb, Jordan Clarkson, Kent Bazemore, and D'Angelo Russel. The point is that 6'5" players who aren't PG's and don't shoot the 3 very well are going to get passed over by a lot of teams in the draft. Thybulle is an exceptional defender, and the reason he's getting any first round consideration is because of people thinking Kawhi Leonard. But he's nowhere near the offensive player that Kawhi was in the season before the draft.

I'm a fan, but I have a hard time seeing him go higher than the Raptors' pick. And the only reason I see there being room for another 6'5" player on the Spurs' roster is because his reach and strength may let him defend some bigger players. If Chip can fix his 3P shot, and he gets up around .400, then he's a bargain. If not, anything above late first round is going to be called a mistake. I know that a lot of people seem to think that improving a 3P shot up to 40% is something anyone can do - especially with Chip coaching them. But it's just not that simple.

I think the consensus on the Raptor's pick should be Thybulle.

We need arguing over who we should get with our 1st round pick. What say you oracles of ST?

[ZeusWillJudge]

I understand concerns about his shooting, though Thybulle's three previous seasons of 3pt%s being 36.5, 40.5, & 36.6 give him an advantage over someone who has a career average of 31%. His college career average is still over 36%, even with this off year.

I'm interested to see his actual measurements. Some places list him at 6'6" now, which if true & coupled with a 7' wingspan would make him a reasonably sized SF. His teammate Jayden Nowell is listed at 6'4", and Thybulle looks to be more than an inch taller than him, but who knows if that listed height is accurate either... If anyone could benefit financially from a late growth spurt, it would definitely be Matisse.

Did you read what I said up above? I've followed him for two seasons. He's 6'5". Not 6'6". People can print whatever they want to. I saw one article that showed him at 6'7". But unless he was wearing high heels, they just made it up.

And his 3P shot is broken. It's not that he's in a slump, his shot is broken. He had a couple of games where some shots fell, but for most of the season he's shot below .300 from 3P. The concern is that an athlete with a bad 3P stroke can still make some shots when he's not heavily contested, but will break down when he is. There's a huge difference between the defenses in college vs. the NBA, and guys close much quicker on 3P shooters.

He's a great defender, and seems to be a good kid. I like him. But he's benefitted from a really good PR campaign recently. His coach has been talking him up everywhere, and so has his dad. But there's some rumblings that maybe there's already an agent involved. I didn't pay much attention until some of the recent articles that seemed a little over the top, even though the writers clearly hadn't followed him as a player. That kind of hype is coming from somewhere.

If he goes before the Raptors' pick, I think you tip your hat and say, "Good luck." The spurs have got two guards who are very good defenders already. If they were to get him with the 29 pick I'd be happy.

[sasaint]

Did you read what I said up above? I've followed him for two seasons. He's 6'5". Not 6'6". People can print whatever they want to. I saw one article that showed him at 6'7". But unless he was wearing high heels, they just made it up.

And his 3P shot is broken. It's not that he's in a slump, his shot is broken. He had a couple of games where some shots fell, but for most of the season he's shot below .300 from 3P. The concern is that an athlete with a bad 3P stroke can still make some shots when he's not heavily contested, but will break down when he is. There's a huge difference between the defenses in college vs. the NBA, and guys close much quicker on 3P shooters.

He's a great defender, and seems to be a good kid. I like him. But he's benefitted from a really good PR campaign recently. His coach has been talking him up everywhere, and so has his dad. But there's some rumblings that maybe there's already an agent involved. I didn't pay much attention until some of the recent articles that seemed a little over the top, even though the writers clearly hadn't followed him as a player. That kind of hype is coming from somewhere.

If he goes before the Raptors' pick, I think you tip your hat and say, "Good luck." The spurs have got two guards who are very good defenders already. If they were to get him with the 29 pick I'd be happy.

A serious project who stands only 6'5" sounds like the last thing I want the Spurs to invest a 1st round pick in, but I haven't seen him play.

[R. DeMurre]

Did you read what I said up above? I've followed him for two seasons. He's 6'5". Not 6'6". People can print whatever they want to. I saw one article that showed him at 6'7". But unless he was wearing high heels, they just made it up.

:lol Sorry to question your omnipotence, O Great Greek God, but it's not unheard of for a mere mortal human being to grow an inch during his 21st year. Have you measured him recently?

[Biggems]

Ok how about this mock

C Bruno Fernando
G/F Matisse Thybulle
G/F Dylan Windler

I also want PF Luka Samanic, maybe we can acquire another 2nd somehow.

[Russ]

Well the Spurs won't be getting a lottery pick like the thread title says. But tomorrow is Selection Sunday for the NCAA, and there are some players I'm really looking forward to seeing.

Hopefully they don't play for the University of Texas.

[rascal]

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

[cd021]

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

Still hoping the Spur stay 7th, get the 19th pick and play Denver. That would be great tbh.

[rascal]

Still hoping the Spur stay 7th, get the 19th pick and play Denver. That would be great tbh.

The Spurs are more likely going to be 4th not 7th.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

That's just depressing as hell for me. I was really hoping for a lottery pick. Then I sort of adjusted to 17. Picking 24 is not what I had in mind.

I guess they got White and Murray with the 29th picks. If they can do it again it will help. But it's just not the same thing as a lottery player.

[picnroll]

Watching Matisse Thybulle for the first time. If this game is representative of his offensive skills he’s going to have to have Rodman level impact on the other end to survive in the NBA.

[BackHome]

Yeah so far not having a great game.

[rascal]

That's just depressing as hell for me. I was really hoping for a lottery pick. Then I sort of adjusted to 17. Picking 24 is not what I had in mind.

I guess they got White and Murray with the 29th picks. If they can do it again it will help. But it's just not the same thing as a lottery player.

Don't count on getting an impact player this year if they are picking in the 20s. The draft is weak.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/GaryPayton_/status/1107125832332402688

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1107124486543994888

[sasaint]

Ok how about this mock

C Bruno Fernando
G/F Matisse Thybulle
G/F Dylan Windler

I also want PF Luka Samanic, maybe we can acquire another 2nd somehow.

You new to the Spurs? We already have more youth than Pop is accustomed to. No way are they acquiring another pick this year. And your guy Thumbelina (along with his whole team) laid a huge egg tonight vs. Oregon. I admit this was the only performance of his I have seen all season, but I will be hugely disappointed if we waste a pick on him. We need more length than this guy offers.

[BackHome]

Watching Matisse Thybulle for the first time. If this game is representative of his offensive skills he’s going to have to have Rodman level impact on the other end to survive in the NBA.


Liked Louis King and Kenny Wooten from Oreagon

[Biggems]

You new to the Spurs? We already have more youth than Pop is accustomed to. No way are they acquiring another pick this year. And your guy Thumbelina (along with his whole team) laid a huge egg tonight vs. Oregon. I admit this was the only performance of his I have seen all season, but I will be hugely disappointed if we waste a pick on him. We need more length than this guy offers.

He isn't my guy...I added him to this mock cause several other posters like him. I want Fernando, Samanic (draft and stash big) and Windler.

Also, lifelong Spurs fan, born in mid70s, and been on this site for a decade or so.

[cd021]

The Spurs are more likely going to be 4th not 7th.

According to 538;

1. GSW
2. Denver
3. Rockets
4. Thunder
5. Blazers
6. Jazz
7. Spurs
8. Clippers

Clippers-GSW
Spurs-Denver
Jazz-Rockets
Thunder-Blazers
(playoff matchups)

-Think Spurs are likely to finish ahead of the Clippers but behind the Warriors, Nuggets and Rockets.

-The Jazz has a laughably easy schedule (only 2 games remaining against playoff teams and one of those is against Denver on the second to last game of the season).

-OKC and Portland are catchable (especially if CJ is out multiple weeks). OKC has a tough schedule but only play 4 of their final 12 on the road (Toronto, Memphis, Minny and Milwaukee- a likely rest game for them). Portland has a fairly easy schedule, mostly against east teams.

Think the Spurs will go 48-32 and finish either just ahead of LAC or tie with them and finish 7th due to winning the tiebreaker.

[picnroll]

NC’s Cameron Johnson might be a worthy late round pick. In a weak draft he has the potential to stick and play a role.

[ZeusWillJudge]

You new to the Spurs? We already have more youth than Pop is accustomed to. No way are they acquiring another pick this year. And your guy Thumbelina (along with his whole team) laid a huge egg tonight vs. Oregon. I admit this was the only performance of his I have seen all season, but I will be hugely disappointed if we waste a pick on him. We need more length than this guy offers.


I question whether you actually watched that game. The team shot 22% in the second half. The team. Calling him Thumbelina isn't cute, and it doesn't speak well of you.

Thybulle WILL be on an NBA roster next season, and he WILL make an impact with his defense. The only question is whether he's going to get picked in the first round. If he can straighten out his 3P shooting, he has the potential to be a backbone player on a championship contending team. He's that good at what he does on D.

The Spurs already have two guards about the same height (but without Thyebulle's reach) who are very good defenders. But don't forget that they once traded George Hill to get a player they wanted more. If they were to trade White or Murray for someone they really want, having Matisse Thybulle would be a real luxury. If their own pick stays down at around 24, I think there is a very good chance that he's on their board.

Things change. A player who doesn't look like a good choice at the 17 slot looks a whole lot different at 24.

[sasaint]

I obviously thought it was humorous. I wonder how much of the game you watched. He made a couple of steals and was otherwise invisible.

You are correct. Things change. We could make all kinds of moves - but that is pretty much changing ends of the field. As the Spurs roster is currently constructed, and just speculating about who we might add, without projecting other moves, I don't want to add a 6'5" defensive specialist. If he were 6'7" or 6'8" I might think differently of him. If he fits another NBA roster - fine. Good luck to him.

[sasaint]

He isn't my guy...I added him to this mock cause several other posters like him. I want Fernando, Samanic (draft and stash big) and Windler.

Also, lifelong Spurs fan, born in mid70s, and been on this site for a decade or so.

I was joking you. I saw your join date. I just can't see the Spurs adding a pick in a draft where we already have 3. I honestly don't know Samanic - maybe a good draft and stash prospect with our own pick if he is available. I thoroughly expect the team to do that with one of their picks.

[Biggems]

I was joking you. I saw your join date. I just can't see the Spurs adding a pick in a draft where we already have 3. I honestly don't know Samanic - maybe a good draft and stash prospect with our own pick if he is available. I thoroughly expect the team to do that with one of their picks.

He was playing against weak talent, but he has a nice game. He is fluid, has some post moves, has 3pt range with a pretty shot, can handle the rock in a decent manner, a good passer, a solid rim protector and cleaner of the glass on D. Now, he is built like a rail, so he needs to add able 15 to 20 lbs of muscle, and he also needs to be tested against much better competition. But so far, I really like his game.

[Drom John]

Five Thirty Eight predicts the Spurs will pick 19, 28.5 and 49, with a coin flip between Raptors and Warriors.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report:2019 NBA Mock Draft: Predictions for Top Prospects Alive in NCAA Tournament
STEVE SILVERMAN
MARCH 17, 2019


20. San Antonio, Sekou Doumbouya, SF-PF, France


29. San Antonio, Eric Paschall, SF-PF, Villanova

[Russ]

The Spurs should strongly consider this guy with the 28th (or so) pick:

Kevin Porter
6-5
220
SG/SF
USC
Fr.

He's got an NBA body (he's stout and plays bigger than the 6'5" or 6'6" he's listed as) and he can hit the three (.412%).

He's got some issues -- he was injured earlier in the season (the dreaded thigh bruise) and then was suspended by USC for unspecified reasons -- so he could drop to where the Spurs draft. (NBADraft.net has the Spurs picking him with their second pick at 29.)

In any event, Porter finished the season on the court and playing well.

I've seen him play for USC in person and he passes the eyeball test -- he could be the athletic wing everyone wants.

[R. DeMurre]

I obviously thought it was humorous. I wonder how much of the game you watched. He made a couple of steals and was otherwise invisible.

You are correct. Things change. We could make all kinds of moves - but that is pretty much changing ends of the field. As the Spurs roster is currently constructed, and just speculating about who we might add, without projecting other moves, I don't want to add a 6'5" defensive specialist. If he were 6'7" or 6'8" I might think differently of him. If he fits another NBA roster - fine. Good luck to him.


My fear is the Warriors grab him, and then trade Draymond for another inexpensive helpful piece. But, yeah, I totally understand the concern.
I've envisioned him as an undersized SF with a good wingspan rather than a guard, but we'll see if that's in the cards...

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Spurs should strongly consider this guy with the 28th (or so) pick:

Kevin Porter
6-5
220
SG/SF
USC
Fr.

He's got an NBA body (he's stout and plays bigger than the 6'5" or 6'6" he's listed as) and he can hit the three (.412%).

He's got some issues -- he was injured earlier in the season (the dreaded thigh bruise) and then was suspended by USC for unspecified reasons -- so he could drop to where the Spurs draft. (NBADraft.net has the Spurs picking him with their second pick at 29.)

In any event, Porter finished the season on the court and playing well.

I've seen him play for USC in person and he passes the eyeball test -- he could be the athletic wing everyone wants.


Porter has skills, there's no doubt about that. There was a lot of talk about him being a 1 and done Top 10 draft pick last summer. Some were saying top 3 pick.

He was 6'4", then he was 6'5", and now he's being listed as 6'6". I don't think he's had that much of a growth spurt. I think he's probably 6'5" at most, which seems to be a theme. The suspension is troubling, since it was bad enough that they were reportedly thinking about revoking his scholarship and kicking him out of the program. But he's 18 years old, and 18 year old kids do some stupid stuff. He would have to finish cooking in the G-League anyway, so hopefully he would mature.

My biggest problem with him is that he shoots something like 55% from the FT line. I know Bowen couldn't shoot FT's, but it still makes me think he's not a hard worker.

[objective]

I would be surprised if Thybulle measured at less than 6-5.5 in shoes at the combine.

And being bigger than White (I'm guessing about an inch in shoes though we'll find out) and surely 3-4 inches longer, I don't have any issues with him on the Spurs. He's not ideal small forward size, no. But consider that Pop has had White checking all kinds of SFs and SF sized players all season, being able to get anyone bigger who can also defend and doesn't need the ball is a good gamble to me.

I've compared him to being between Garrett Temple and Shane Battier (much closer to Temple), and that's not really a starting caliber player. Just a rotation guy who can contribute when needed. If that's the 29th pick that's pretty good. Murray and White have worked out much better but sometimes just getting a decent role filler is okay.

[objective]

Bleacher Report:2019 NBA Mock Draft: Predictions for Top Prospects Alive in NCAA Tournament
STEVE SILVERMAN
MARCH 17, 2019

Paschall reminded me of a skinnier Malik Rose first time I saw him shoot a long two

Moves pretty well, long arms, energy, undersized but also no neck

But a shocking lack of steals and blocks for a guy who looks like he moves fine on his feet and has those long arms. Ugly shot with that exaggerated Draymond kicking motion

I could see him as a second rounder, though like any late second he'd be a Longshot to make it

[duncan2150]

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

You think the spurs Will be third in the West ??

[rascal]

You think the spurs Will be third in the West ??

If they keeping winning yes. They may only lose 3 or 4 more games. More likely 4th though

[ZeusWillJudge]

I just love mock drafts. The lastest from BleacherReport has the Spurs using the Raptors' pick for a "PF" from Iowa - Talen Horton-Tucker. He was a second tier high school recruit who has had an average freshman season at Iowa. And the best part? He's a 6'4" guard. And they have the Spurs using a first round pick on him.

It's like draft mad-libs. I think SpursTalk should get together and start publishing their own mock drafts. I'd take anything I've ever seen here over that.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Mock Draft 2019: Predictions for Zion Williamson and Full 1st Round
Joe Tansey
March 18, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, SG, Virginia Tech


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Talen Horton-Tucker, PF, Iowa State

[ZeusWillJudge]

I would be surprised if Thybulle measured at less than 6-5.5 in shoes at the combine.

If thybulle (or his agent) insist on him being measured in shoes, you'll have your answer.

The only reason to measure players is to compare them to other players. And the only way to do that consistently is to measure them all the same way - barefoot or in socks. When guys insist on being measured in shoes, it's always because they think their lack of height will work against them on draft day. I don't know why they bother. It doesn't fool anyone but fans. But they still do it.

[objective]

If thybulle (or his agent) insist on him being measured in shoes, you'll have your answer.

The only reason to measure players is to compare them to other players. And the only way to do that consistently is to measure them all the same way - barefoot or in socks. When guys insist on being measured in shoes, it's always because they think their lack of height will work against them on draft day. I don't know why they bother. It doesn't fool anyone but fans. But they still do it.

The draft combine measures everyone who participates both with and without shoes.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The draft combine measures everyone who participates both with and without shoes.


I didn't know they had gotten strict with that, but it's about damn time. As of just a couple of years ago, they were still skirting it. And there are some guys like Amadou Diallo who skipped the combine because they thought it would hurt their prospects. (Diallo had a great vertical, but they said that he was shorter than he was listed.)

Either way - I've watched Thybulle play. I'm telling you, he's 6'5".

[BackHome]

OK here is my latest wish list:

Guys who will fall but are talented:

1. Jaxson Hays - C 6’11, Arm 7’4, 19yrs , was a top 10 like Bol Bol but he is out reaming season with a bad knee waiting results from MRI he is dropping fast.
2. Kevin Porter - SG 6’5 , Arm 6’9 , 19 yrs very athletic good can do a little bit of everything - Bad boy issues?

My Picks for SF/PF:

1. Chuma Okeke - SF/PF 6’8, Arm 7.0. 20 yrs. Athletic can shoot and rebound and play some defense
2. Louis King -SF 6’9, 19yrs - He can shoot the 3 provides us some much needed length.
3. Deividas Sirvydis -SF 6’8, 19, great offense just needs to add weight.
4. Luka Samanic - PF 6’10, 19 yrs, really like this guy if we go draft and stash ***

If one of the top two aren’t there I think we draft Goga if we are not bringing Nikola we need Gasols replacement and he makes sense. If we don’t draft Goga would go with Okeke or King and draft and stash Luka.

[exstatic]

OK here is my latest wish list:

Guys who will fall but are talented:

1. Jaxson Hays - C 6’11, Arm 7’4, 19yrs , was a top 10 like Bol Bol but he is out reaming season with a bad knee waiting results from MRI he is dropping fast.
2. Kevin Porter - SG 6’5 , Arm 6’9 , 19 yrs very athletic good can do a little bit of everything - Bad boy issues?

My Picks for SF/PF:

1. Chuma Okeke - SF/PF 6’8, Arm 7.0. 20 yrs. Athletic can shoot and rebound and play some defense
2. Louis King -SF 6’9, 19yrs - He can shoot the 3 provides us some much needed length.
3. Deividas Sirvydis -SF 6’8, 19, great offense just needs to add weight.
4. Luka Samanic - PF 6’10, 19 yrs, really like this guy if we go draft and stash ***

If one of the top two aren’t there I think we draft Goga if we are not bringing Nikola we need Gasols replacement and he makes sense. If we don’t draft Goga would go with Okeke or King and draft and stash Luka.

Gasol's replacement is Poodle.

[BackHome]

Yeah I just like having insurance we got tons of guards but only two big man and I know we probably won’t pay or bring over Nikola so Goga can be cheap insurance. It’s a long seasons if LMA or Poodle are out we’re kinda screwed without another big.

[exstatic]

Yeah I just like having insurance we got tons of guards but only two big man and I know we probably won’t pay or bring over Nikola so Goga can be cheap insurance. It’s a long seasons if LMA or Poodle are out we’re kinda screwed without another big.

Even in his starts, Poeltl doesn't play big minutes. He's only cracked 30 minutes once. Big men aren't a huge commodity in today's NBA. Let someone else draft one, cut him in camp, and we can pick one up for free. If you're just looking for deep bench help, there should be veterans available, too.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Think the Spurs will go 48-32 and finish either just ahead of LAC or tie with them and finish 7th due to winning the tiebreaker.

Quirk in the schedule this year. They've scheduled the Spurs to play 82 games.

[Drom John]

LonzoWire: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Pre-NCAA Tournament version
By: Jacob Rude | 9 hours ago [AKA 18 March 2019]


21. San Antonio Spurs – Tyler Herro, Guard, Kentucky

Herro is the type of player that lands with the Spurs and, in three years, everyone wonders how the Spurs landed him this late in the draft.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto) – KZ Okpala, Wing, Stanford

Okpala has a ton of tools and shot 37.5 percent from three this season as a 6’9″ forward with a 7’2″ wingspan. That alone should intrigue scouts. He’s another player who seems like the perfect Spurs player.

[Drom John]

Basketball Insiders: NBA Daily: 60-Pick NBA Mock Draft – 3/19/19
Published 6 hours ago
on March 19, 2019
By Steve Kyler



21

Jalen McDaniels
San Antonio Spurs

San Diego St.Sophmore



29

Tre Jones
San Antonio Spurs

DukeFreshman
Age: 19
Height: 6' 2
Position: PG
Weight: 185





50

D'Marcus Simonds
San Antonio Spurs

Georgia St. Junior
Age: 19
Height: 6' 3
Position: PG/SG
Weight: 195

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Bruno Fernando and Prospects on the Rise Ahead of March Madness
Joe Tansey
March 19, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, SG, Virginia Tech


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Talen Horton-Tucker, PF, Iowa State

[Mr. Body]

LonzoWire: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Pre-NCAA Tournament version
By: Jacob Rude | 9 hours ago [AKA 18 March 2019]

I'd be stunned if the Spurs ever draft a guy out of Kentucky. There's so much basic 'teaching how to play basketball' those players need to even be close to ready for a Spurs system.

[exstatic]

I'd be stunned if the Spurs ever draft a guy out of Kentucky. There's so much basic 'teaching how to play basketball' those players need to even be close to ready for a Spurs system.

I think top players are starting to figure out that coach Cal uses them just like anyone else, minus any real coaching. I can see UK crashing hard after the end of one and done. His whole shtick is being a refuge for one year to ball out and do whatever, sort of a rebel thing.

[ZeusWillJudge]

He isn't my guy...I added him to this mock cause several other posters like him. I want Fernando, Samanic (draft and stash big) and Windler.

Also, lifelong Spurs fan, born in mid70s, and been on this site for a decade or so.


Well Windler is playing tonight. This is the big stage.

[Mr. Body]

OK here is my latest wish list:

Guys who will fall but are talented:

1. Jaxson Hays - C 6’11, Arm 7’4, 19yrs , was a top 10 like Bol Bol but he is out reaming season with a bad knee waiting results from MRI he is dropping fast.
2. Kevin Porter - SG 6’5 , Arm 6’9 , 19 yrs very athletic good can do a little bit of everything - Bad boy issues?

My Picks for SF/PF:

1. Chuma Okeke - SF/PF 6’8, Arm 7.0. 20 yrs. Athletic can shoot and rebound and play some defense
2. Louis King -SF 6’9, 19yrs - He can shoot the 3 provides us some much needed length.
3. Deividas Sirvydis -SF 6’8, 19, great offense just needs to add weight.
4. Luka Samanic - PF 6’10, 19 yrs, really like this guy if we go draft and stash ***

If one of the top two aren’t there I think we draft Goga if we are not bringing Nikola we need Gasols replacement and he makes sense. If we don’t draft Goga would go with Okeke or King and draft and stash Luka.

Hayes would be interesting. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs zag and take another big. Mobile shotblockers are hard to come by.

[Biggems]

Well Windler is playing tonight. This is the big stage.

He is avging over 21 pts this year, but last night he had an off night, 2 for 7, 1 for 5 from 3 and only 5 total points. However, he did have 14 rbs, 13 defensive. He also had a few assists and 3 steals. I like that he contributed in other areas when his shot wasn't there.

[ZeusWillJudge]

He is avging over 21 pts this year, but last night he had an off night, 2 for 7, 1 for 5 from 3 and only 5 total points. However, he did have 14 rbs, 13 defensive. He also had a few assists and 3 steals. I like that he contributed in other areas when his shot wasn't there.

He had a bad night last night on the offensive end, for sure. I was keying on him and there were times he just looked lost on that end. I hate to judge too much from a single game, and it didn't look like his teammates had much interest in getting him involved. But that was a bad showing. His size was definitely an asset on the glass.

[ceperez]

I didn't know they had gotten strict with that, but it's about damn time. As of just a couple of years ago, they were still skirting it. And there are some guys like Amadou Diallo who skipped the combine because they thought it would hurt their prospects. (Diallo had a great vertical, but they said that he was shorter than he was listed.)

Either way - I've watched Thybulle play. I'm telling you, he's 6'5".

But aren't teams allowed to make their own measurements during try-outs?

If anything, the teams know the facts and the agents are just gaming the public perception.

[kobyz]

I believe Cameron Johnson would be high on Spurs draft list, pop and cliff would be in love with his shooting, a more fluid and functional Bertans...

[BackHome]

One thing in the draft is looking at your future a year or two down the line what will impact your team as far as free agency.

Free Agent After This Season:
1. Rudy Gay PF/SF - he say he wants to retire a Spurs hopefully that happens.

Free Agents 2021:
1. Poodle C - Big question we need him but he is going to get paid $$
2. Belinelli SG - My man plays fearless but he is going to have to be willing to take a back seat to the new pups.
3. Forbes SG - Great story but his playing time will be seriously reduced I look for him to go like Anderson
4. Metu PF - If he does improve he won’t be signed.

[ZeusWillJudge]

But aren't teams allowed to make their own measurements during try-outs?

If anything, the teams know the facts and the agents are just gaming the public perception.


I have to be honest, I don't know what procedures they are following now. In years past, there were always players/agents who jumped through hoops to game those measurements. Not all of them - most just went through the process. But there were some pretty comical schemes to make sure that certain players didn't get an accurate measurement. I know that much for a fact.


Right now I just see a glut of players who are right at 6'5". There are going to be a few smart FO's who recognize that and put together rosters to take advantage.

[Blackhaus]

I believe Cameron Johnson would be high on Spurs draft list, pop and cliff would be in love with his shooting, a more fluid and functional Bertans...

Is he on the board in mock drafts around the spurs pick? He’s intriguing, great length, pretty athletic and can stra8 shoot the ball. Prob on of the best shooters in the draft.

[ZeusWillJudge]

One thing in the draft is looking at your future a year or two down the line what will impact your team as far as free agency.

Free Agent After This Season:
1. Rudy Gay PF/SF - he say he wants to retire a Spurs hopefully that happens.

Free Agents 2021:
1. Poodle C - Big question we need him but he is going to get paid $$
2. Belinelli SG - My man plays fearless but he is going to have to be willing to take a back seat to the new pups.
3. Forbes SG - Great story but his playing time will be seriously reduced I look for him to go like Anderson
4. Metu PF - If he does improve he won’t be signed.


That's exactly right. And that's why I've been so concerned about the draft, and why I wanted the Spurs to get a Top 10 pick on a rookie deal. People keep saying that the Spurs are going to get out of cap hell next season. But what does that mean if they have to pay to keep the talent they have, whose deals are expiring? The whole issue with cap space is the ability to hire FA's.

[exstatic]

One thing in the draft is looking at your future a year or two down the line what will impact your team as far as free agency.

Free Agent After This Season:
1. Rudy Gay PF/SF - he say he wants to retire a Spurs hopefully that happens.

Free Agents 2021:
1. Poodle C - Big question we need him but he is going to get paid $$
2. Belinelli SG - My man plays fearless but he is going to have to be willing to take a back seat to the new pups.
3. Forbes SG - Great story but his playing time will be seriously reduced I look for him to go like Anderson
4. Metu PF - If he does improve he won’t be signed.

Keep Rudy this summer. The following summer, Keep Poodle and maybe Beli, depending on how LW IV progresses and the draft this year and next.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I believe Cameron Johnson would be high on Spurs draft list, pop and cliff would be in love with his shooting, a more fluid and functional Bertans...


The concern is speed/quickness/athleticism, and his age. But he can shoot. His name is going to get called on draft night for sure. I wouldn't cry if the Spurs drafted him. My guess is that he's early second round, so they would either have to pick him early or take a chance that he's still there in the second round.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Keep Rudy this summer. The following summer, Keep Poodle and maybe Beli, depending on how LW IV progresses and the draft this year and next.

I didn't really look hard at the list. Murray's last year on this rookie contract is next year, and White's is 20-21. Those are the really important ones, and they have to get paid.

[duncan2150]

Is he on the board in mock drafts around the spurs pick? He’s intriguing, great length, pretty athletic and can stra8 shoot the ball. Prob on of the best shooters in the draft.

he is rising a little bit but i think he could be there with our last first pick.

[exstatic]

I didn't really look hard at the list. Murray's last year on this rookie contract is next year, and White's is 20-21. Those are the really important ones, and they have to get paid.

OP also missed Bertans, who's contract expires in 2020.

[exstatic]

I didn't really look hard at the list. Murray's last year on this rookie contract is next year, and White's is 20-21. Those are the really important ones, and they have to get paid.

I think retaining your draft picks is kind of a built in assumption. I think SA will offer Murray an extension this summer, hoping to get an injury discount, and not get it done. They'll let him play the market in 2020, holding matching rights.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I think retaining your draft picks is kind of a built in assumption. I think SA will offer Murray an extension this summer, hoping to get an injury discount, and not get it done. They'll let him play the market in 2020, holding matching rights.


Of course they can and will keep them. The point is, that counts against the cap and they still won't be able to sign any major FA. If you can't get a higher-level talent through free agency, you're limited to finding it in the draft. And you have a MUCH better chance of doing that near the top of the draft.

Your scenario for Murry is exactly how I expect it to play out. I don't think there's a snowball's chance that his agent lets him sign at a discount.

[exstatic]

Of course they can and will keep them. The point is, that counts against the cap and they still won't be able to sign any major FA. If you can't get a higher-level talent through free agency, you're limited to finding it in the draft. And you have a MUCH better chance of doing that near the top of the draft.

Your scenario for Murry is exactly how I expect it to play out. I don't think there's a snowball's chance that his agent lets him sign at a discount.

Do we ever? Other than one time, for a player from TX who's baby mama lives here?

[Seventyniner]

Do we ever? Other than one time, for a player from TX who's baby mama lives here?

Pau's contract was allegedly due to a promise the Spurs made him when he opted out, to give the Spurs enough cap room to chase Chris Paul. Whiffing on almost all big-name FAs doesn't mean they don't try.

[BackHome]

We got 3 spots open Gasols, Cunningham, and Poindexters. I do think that we sign Ben Moore as far as draft picks well who knows but I think one might be a draft and stash I love Saric he just plays Spurs kinda ball. Our first pick well no clue this draft is kinda crazy In that besides first pick nothing is set in stone teams are really going to lean on their scouts information to get right pick.

[rascal]

Of course they can and will keep them. The point is, that counts against the cap and they still won't be able to sign any major FA. If you can't get a higher-level talent through free agency, you're limited to finding it in the draft. And you have a MUCH better chance of doing that near the top of the draft.

Your scenario for Murry is exactly how I expect it to play out. I don't think there's a snowball's chance that his agent lets him sign at a discount.

This is why the Spurs are going to have to have a bad year or two and get a couple of high draft picks to stock the roster with some top level talent because they are not getting it in FA and not through trades either because this front office doesn't have a history of building through trades.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Full 1st-Round Predictions Entering March Madness
Jonathan Wasserman
March 20, 2019


21. San Antonio Spurs: Jontay Porter (Missouri, C, Sophomore)

Porter shot, passed and defended well enough as a freshman to warrant first-round consideration. He needed to improve his conditioning last year, and that was before the ACL injury that sidelined him for the entire 2018-19 season. But long term, the Spurs should see him as a stretch 5 with a high skill and IQ level. Porter's medical reports will be in high demand before the draft.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Raptors): Tre Jones (Duke, PG, Freshman)

Jones doesn't project as anything more than a backup. But he could run the Spurs' second unit on a rookie contract for the next four years, making him a worthwhile pick this late in the first round. Despite obvious athletic and scoring limitations, Jones' passing IQ and defensive pressure should be enough to help him stick and contribute to the right team.

[Drom John]

Sports Illustrated: 2019 NBA Mock Draft 5.0: Who Will Stand Out in the NCAA Tournament?
By Jeremy Woo March 20, 2019


19.San Antonio Spurs Spurs: Jontay Porter, C, Missouri

Height: 6'11" | Weight: 235 | Sophomore

Porter has always been an ideal fit for San Antonio’s dual-big looks, and his unusually productive freshman season still resonates with people. He needs to show up to workouts in peak shape after missing the season with injury, but his mature style of play gives him a good chance to find a niche as a frontcourt piece who can pass and knock down shots. Analytically-minded teams will also place a premium on his skills.


29.San Antonio Spurs Spurs (via Raptors): Neemias Queta, C, Utah State

Height: 6’11” | Weight: 240 | Freshman

There’s a good deal of buzz surrounding Queta right now, and he took advantage of his platform at the Mountain West tournament, anchoring the Aggies to a title and their 18th win in 19 games. He’s predictably foul-prone given his body type and overall rawness, but has legit NBA length, moves his feet well and has some tantalizing rim-protector upside. The Portuguese native has shown more than enough to justify a selection, and while he might develop more with another year in school, there’s just enough mystery involved with his profile to think that this might be a good window for him to test the waters. Queta could rise quickly this spring.