Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

[Drom John]

CBS Sports: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Top three of Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett, Ja Morant a virtual lock, and then things get interesting
Reid Forgrave says the 2019 draft will get really intriguing after the obvious three names go off the board first
by Reid Forgrave @ReidForgrave 1 hr ago [AKA 20 March 2019]


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Cameron Johnson | North Carolina | Sr | SF | 6-9

Maybe the best 3-point shooter in this draft, making shots on high volume -- nearly 50 percent on nearly six 3s a game -- and with a quick release. His lack of strength and elite athleticism could hold down his ceiling, but Johnson has lots of the tools -- size, versatility, shooting -- that are most valued in today's NBA. Perhaps you heard that the Spurs lack 3-point shooting. No, he's not the greatest shot creator. But he's one of the best shot makers in this draft. "What do you need to do?" one scout told me. "He's 6-9 and shoots the heck out of it."


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Jontay Porter | Missouri | Soph | C | 6-11

Porter's torn ACL in October meant he didn't play a minute for Missouri his sophomore year -- which is a shame, because this is a player who could have shot up the board with a strong sophomore campaign. He's a very different player than his older brother, Michael Porter Jr. The younger brother has a bigger body and is a less explosive athlete, but Jontay is a strong, versatile and smart big man who can score in a variety of ways -- including from 3, where he shot 36.7 percent as a freshman. Perhaps his biggest strength is his natural feel for the game.

[Drom John]

Sportning News: NBA Mock Draft 2019: Knicks land Zion Williamson; Duke dominates lottery
By Chris Stone [20 March 2019]


20. Spurs — Grant Williams, Forward, Tennessee

Age: 20.3 | Height: 6-7 | Weight: 241

This is probably a touch high for Williams, but the Tennessee junior fits the bill in terms of the high character and basketball IQ San Antonio has traditionally valued.

The 6-7 forward is a versatile threat offensively who should shoot a bit more often from deep. He can help facilitate in dribble handoff and post actions. Defensively, his feel for the game is an big asset.


29. Spurs (via Raptors) — Bruno Fernando, Big, Maryland

Age: 20.6 | Height: 6-10 | Weight: 245

Fernando could go higher on draft night, but NBA teams have the ability to find replacement-level bigs all over the place. Still, the 20-year-old can score efficiently around the basket, has improved as a passer and is comfortable cleaning up on the defensive glass.

[Drom John]

Fansided: Smoking the Cuban: NBA Draft: 2019 Mock 1.0: Can the Dallas Mavericks keep their pick?
by Tyler Watts 6 hours ago [AKA 20 March 2019]


20. San Antonio Spurs- Brandon Clarke- PF- Gonzaga

Brandon Clarke turns 23 in September which makes him one of the older players in this class. He played two years at San Jose State before transferring to Gonzaga. Clarke lists at 6’8 and 213 pounds.

He produced well in his 33 games for the Bulldogs. Clarke averages 16.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.2 steals, and a massive 3.0 blocks per game in 27.6 minutes a night. He is shooting 69.3 percent from the field and 69.1 percent on his free throws.
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Clarke’s shot blocking and defense will bring NBA teams to the table. He is also a high energy player who is a fantastic finisher around the rim. Clarke should bring some defensive versatility that teams covet and could transform into an above average defender quickly in the right system.

His 3-point shooting was non-existent in college. Over three seasons, Clarke took 23 3-point attempts. That is not enough to draw any conclusions about his skill other than he is an unwilling shooter.

The Spurs seem like a stellar fit as they can play to Brandon Clarke’s strengths and allow him to be a pesky defender that protects the rim and finishes around the basket.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors)- Matisse Thybulle- SF- Washington

*The Raptors protected the pick one through 20, so it is currently heading to the Spurs.

The Spurs add Matisse Thybulle out of Washington for his defensive chops. The 6’5 and 195-pound wing may be the best defender in the 2019 NBA Draft class. He set the NCAA record for steals in a career. Thybulle is already 22 years old and figures to be ready for an NBA role immediately.

The Huskies senior started all four seasons. He played 30.9 minutes a game this season. Thybulle averaged 9.3 points, 3.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.3 3-pointers made, 3.4 steals, and 2.2 blocks per night. None of those are typos. Thybulle is a monster defensive stats producer.

He also shot 36.0 percent on his 525 career college 3-point attempts. That will have teams excited about his 3-and-D potential in the NBA. Thybulle hit just 31.0 percent as a senior, though.

He is a ball of energy on the court. Fans wanting to know more about Matisse Thybulle should check out this feature by Greg Bishop from Sports Illustrated.

The San Antonio Spurs take Thybulle with the plan of grooming into a 3-and-D threat that scares the opposition. If anybody can do it, Coach Pop is the one.

[Drom John]

UpRoxx: Dime Magazine: NBA Mock Draft 2019: What The First Round Looks Like Before The NCAA Tournament
Brad Rowland 03.20.19


19. San Antonio Spurs – Talen Horton-Tucker (G/F, Iowa State)

There are a few players with big-time evaluation splits in 2019 and Horton-Tucker is definitely one of them. My personal board has the Iowa State standout as more of a late first round type but, in contrast, there are people I trust that see Horton-Tucker as a lottery pick. I’ll split the difference for now, as he really understands how to play the game and brings a legitimate 7’1 wingspan to the table at a (very) young age. There are questions but he does feel Spurs-y.


28. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto) – Cameron Johnson (F, North Carolina)

Like Brandon Clarke earlier, Johnson is going to fall because of his age. He’s already 23 years old after transferring from Pittsburgh but, in the past, the Spurs haven’t cared much about that (i.e. Derrick White) and he’d be a great fit there. Johnson’s shooting is going to translate anywhere he goes and San Antonio can scheme around his limitations.

[Drom John]

Fansided: Sir Charles in Charge: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Zion Williamson, Ja Morant lead the way as March Madness begins
by Michael Saenz 6 hours ago [AKA 20 March 2019]


21. San Antonio Spurs – Bruno Fernando, C, Maryland

The San Antonio Spurs are in somewhat of a transition phase, and who knows when Gregg Popovich is going to call it quits, but if there has always been one consistent over the last two decades for this team it’s been a dominant big.

From David Robinson to Tim Duncan to (now, somewhat) LaMarcus Aldridge, there has always been a big to somewhat calm the team. The Spurs don’t have anyone that could provide that for the team moving forward, nor do they have a franchise player on their roster.

Taking a chance on Bruno Fernando could open the door for that possibility for this team moving toward. Fernando is averaging 14 points, 10 rebounds and two blocks per game this season.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto) – Darius Bazley, F, N/A

At this point in the NBA Draft, it’s all about selecting the best talent available and hoping that they blossom under your team’s development program. This is the exact area where a player like Darius Bazley could come into play.

And if there’s any team that will get the most out of a player, it’s Gregg Popovich and the Spurs. Bazley is an interesting prospect, but didn’t play college basketball. That’s probably the reason why he won’t be taken in the top 20.

After passing on playing in college and in the G-League, Bazley trained all year for this very moment – his shot at the NBA Draft. Will it pay off? If so, will more future high school prospects take this route?

[Drom John]

Supposedly ESPN: 2019 ESPN NBA Mock Draft - Post Selection Sunday
[19 March 2019?]


19. SAS - Cam Johnson, SF, UNC


29. SAS - Luguentz Dort, SG, Arizona State


49. SAS - Amir Hinton, PG, Shaw

[picnroll]

As I said before I think Cameron Johnson looks good and fits a Spurs need.

[BackHome]

Kudos to Picnroll in promoting Cameron Johnson nice find for some reason he was off my radar. The mocks have also started to catch on one has him going 20 to Oklahoma just before our pick. I would not mind this pick as we will need 3 shooters in 2021 when Forbes and Beli contract are up. Saric and Johnson I would be happy with.

If we don’t draft Goga and if SG Porter doesn’t fall to us then I think our first would be one of the followings SF.

1. Cameron sweet three point shooter a slightly more athletic Bonner.
2. Louis King has a pretty good outside shoot and can D up.
3. Okeke great athletic defensive player has potential to be a shooter- very similar to Ben Moore.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Fansided: Sir Charles in Charge: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Zion Williamson, Ja Morant lead the way as March Madness begins
by Michael Saenz 6 hours ago [AKA 20 March 2019]


Oh fuck Darius Bazley. All the baggage and drama of LeBron, without the talent. Everybody knew LeBron was a generational talent when he was in high school, and that he was going to be the 1st pick. If he had graduated high school last year, I wouldn't blame him for pulling that shit. But then again, he would have gotten a lot more than a $200K a year conditional "internship" from New Balance, because he was that damn good. Bazley was ranked something like 17 or 18 coming out of high school. If you're going to put on the king's new cloths, you better damn well be the king. He isn't.

LOL at people here bitching about DeJounte's tweets. But Darius Bazley is going to make DJ look like Tim Duncan when it comes to attention seeking.

[objective]

Injuries might let Toronto overtake Milwaukee, might only be pick 30 for the Spurs. Bucks lost to the Cavs tonight

[alpha_HaZE]

As much as I want to get excited, for the draft, I don't see us bringing any one too exciting. And we already have many young players on the roster; Dejounte, Derrick, Poeltl, and Lonnie should take most of the minutes next season.so, I guess, only if we can bring someone like Hunter or Huchimara, then I would be excited :)

[BackHome]

Be prepared not to be excited lol. But seriously I think this draft is going to be kinda crazy in that players are going to be rated very different by a lot of teams. I am hoping we find a Murray and White type of player drop down to us.

One thing I want is to bring over Nikola I like Poodle but I have noticed he does not play good against physical centers. With Nikola we bring in a very tough/enforcer type of player who is experienced and can get minutes with second team right away. I know some people say we don’t need another big but if Poodle or LMA get hurt for a long period there goes the season. So I am good bringing him over which would then allow us to draft a SF and PF.

[BackHome]

I can't say that I love your list. I see a lot of mocks throwing PJ Washington at the Spurs, but I think he's the worst kind of tweener. He's got a Dejuan Blair ceiling - if he puts on 40 lbs.

But you're the first person I've seen mention Okeke. I wouldn't cry if they drafted Okeke, even though he'd likely spend the first year in Austin. (Same with Sirvydis.) But Okeke can shoot, and if he could get some time with Chip, I think he might be a damn good pickup. Right now I see too many other players ahead of him to go in the first round, but with the demand for SF's, who knows? I really like Thybulle's D, but he would be yet another 6'5" player on the roster - and Okeke is a good defender as well.

Neemias Queta? Seriously? :nope

lol latest mock has us drafting Neemias with our Raptors pick.

[exstatic]

I can't say that I love your list. I see a lot of mocks throwing PJ Washington at the Spurs, but I think he's the worst kind of tweener. He's got a Dejuan Blair ceiling - if he puts on 40 lbs.

But you're the first person I've seen mention Okeke. I wouldn't cry if they drafted Okeke, even though he'd likely spend the first year in Austin. (Same with Sirvydis.) But Okeke can shoot, and if he could get some time with Chip, I think he might be a damn good pickup. Right now I see too many other players ahead of him to go in the first round, but with the demand for SF's, who knows? I really like Thybulle's D, but he would be yet another 6'5" player on the roster - and Okeke is a good defender as well.

Neemias Queta? Seriously? :nope

Thybulle is more than a good defender. He's a generational defender, likely to be the most versatile, smothering defender since Rodman. I'm not sure people understand how INSANE it is for a player to average 3 steals AND 2 blocks per game, even at the D1 college level. As for the 6'5" thing, both Beli and Forbes contracts are up in 2021, and there will be a couple of guard slots open.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Final Mock Draft Before March Madness
Zach Buckley
March 21, 2019


19. San Antonio Spurs: Jontay Porter, C, Missouri


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Talen Horton-Tucker, SF, Iowa State

[Drom John]

Fansided: Pippen Ain't Easy: 2019 NBA Draft: Pre-NCAA Tournament Mock Draft 2.0
by Aaron Peterson 2 hours ago [AKA 21 March 2019]


20: San Antonio Spurs- Jontay Porter, F, Missouri

Jontay surprised many last season by choosing to forgo the NBA draft and stay another season in Columbia. This plan did not work out too well for him, as he was sidelined for all of this season and ended up being projected around the same spot as he was in 2018 mocks.

However, the brother of Michael Porter Jr. will land with Gregg Popovich at the Riverwalk. Avergaing 9.9 points, 6.8 rebounds, 2.2 assists, .8 steals, and 1.7 blocks, he is surely talented enough to land in the first round this season. Some concerns for Porter include the ACL tear he suffered this year and also his lack of ability to make good shot selections. He shot a mere 43 percent form the field in his freshman season at Missouri.

However, Porter’s all-around abilities and his physical attributes will make up for some of these question marks.


29: San Antonio Spurs- Ty Jerome, G, Virginia

The second UVA player off the board heads to San Antonio with the team’s second first-round selection. Jerome in his junior season has averaged 13 points, 4.1 rebounds, 5.4 assists, and 1.5 steals. With great size at his position, standing at 6-foot-5, the Spurs draft a player in which they know what they are going to get – a distributor and a shooter.

Although his field goal percentage is not great, it doesn’t tell the whole story. Nearly half of his shots made are from range, which he shoots at a nice 39%. Shooting is the most important aspect of modern basketball, and Jerome would be a nice bench piece in San Antonio.

[Drom John]

Fansided: College Basketball: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: March is here
by Brendon Kleen 1 hour ago [AKA 21 March 2019]



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Dylan Windler
F, Belmont
Belmont

This pick comes via the Raptors, giving the Spurs another two-way piece for their player development machine. Against Temple on Tuesday night, Windler struggled as a scorer and his lack of athleticism showed up, but he is a dogged, smart rebounder and instinctive multi-positional defender at 6-8.



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Jontay Porter
F/C, Missouri
Missouri

The perfect Spur, Porter would slide right into the Pau Gasol/Tim Duncan role as an elbow playmaker and stationary rim protector.

[Dejounte]

I think the Spurs signing both Huestis and Ben Moore will allow them to see who is actually a good prospect that will fluorish and who looks promising but will likely bust. Sometimes I think that's their purpose for signing these players like these two, just to distinguish fools gold. I feel bad for them, but at least they got to showcase to other teams what they got.

[Trill Clinton]

Thybulle is more than a good defender. He's a generational defender, likely to be the most versatile, smothering defender since Rodman. I'm not sure people understand how INSANE it is for a player to average 3 steals AND 2 blocks per game, even at the D1 college level. As for the 6'5" thing, both Beli and Forbes contracts are up in 2021, and there will be a couple of guard slots open.
Yup. I'm on the Matisse bandwagon.

[ZeusWillJudge]

lol latest mock has us drafting Neemias with our Raptors pick.

"The Latest Mock Draft"? Do you have any idea what a ridiculous statement that is? Whose latest mock draft? There are a zillion of them, and they are everywhere. Most of them like to throw a lot of poop at the wall and see if any sticks. If any of them happen to come true, they spend the next two years crowing about it, and using it to try to get jobs for being such great analysts. The Spurs aren't drafting Queta unless they have serious roster congestion and want someone they can stash for a couple of years. Even then, I don't think it would be him.

Look, I gave you credit for being the first other person I've heard talk about Okeke. I think he has to be a serious contender to be on the Spurs' roster next year. I said above that I thought he would spend the first year in Austin, like so many of the Spurs' recent draft picks. But the more I see of him, the more I think he could actually be on the roster his first year.

You like Queta, fine. You're on record and I'll give credit if that happens. But don't give me "latest mock draft". Tell us why you think he's getting drafted by the Spurs, other than the fact that he's got a 9'6" standing reach. Boban could dunk without jumping, and Pop wasn't in any hurry to give him minutes.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Thybulle is more than a good defender. He's a generational defender, likely to be the most versatile, smothering defender since Rodman. I'm not sure people understand how INSANE it is for a player to average 3 steals AND 2 blocks per game, even at the D1 college level. As for the 6'5" thing, both Beli and Forbes contracts are up in 2021, and there will be a couple of guard slots open.


Well he has the potential to be. He's going to be playing here in a few minutes. I'm afraid I may have underestimated NM State - it should be quite a game.

My thought is that even if they had Thybulle, they would need someone Okeke's size. I'd like to think they could land both, but it doesn't seem likely. If they go with Thybulle, I think it's a sign that they've committed to being contrarian and getting back to winning with defense. If they get either one, I'll be happy.

[MaNu4Tres]

Thybulle is more than a good defender. He's a generational defender, likely to be the most versatile, smothering defender since Rodman. I'm not sure people understand how INSANE it is for a player to average 3 steals AND 2 blocks per game, even at the D1 college level. As for the 6'5" thing, both Beli and Forbes contracts are up in 2021, and there will be a couple of guard slots open.

Beli & Forbes contracts will be up in 2020, not 2021.

Spurs are going to be committed to Derrick, Dejounte, and Lonnie next year so both may become expendable quickly.

[Mugen]

Beli & Forbes contracts will be up in 2020, not 2021.

Spurs are going to be committed to Derrick, Dejounte, and Lonnie next year so both may become expendable quickly.

Forbes has the makings of another lifer unless Pop hopefully retires at the end of next year. Factor in Patty's upcoming max extension after his current contract and I wouldn't be surprised if DWhite is the odd man out (again hopefully not if Pop retires soon).

[ZeusWillJudge]

Forbes has the makings of another lifer unless Pop hopefully retires at the end of next year. Factor in Patty's upcoming max extension after his current contract and I wouldn't be surprised if DWhite is the odd man out (again hopefully not if Pop retires soon).


Bryn will eventually be the one that carries the Spurs Way from Patty to the next generation.

[exstatic]

Beli & Forbes contracts will be up in 2020, not 2021.

Spurs are going to be committed to Derrick, Dejounte, and Lonnie next year so both may become expendable quickly.

You are correct, sir.

As for the three young guards, I agree. If LW IV does well, that alone could make both expendable.

[Mugen]

Bryn will eventually be the one that carries the Spurs Way from Patty to the next generation.

Yeah it's extremely important that the leader and culture guy on the team be your scrub backup PG as we all know...

At least Bryn will probably still be starting when he's passed the torch :lol

[ace3g]

Rui Hachimura having a good opening game.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Okeke played a decent game today against NM State. Auburn managed to hold on for a 1 point win. Okeke finished with 13 points, 5 boards, and an assist. He played solid defense, not too disruptive but solid. He forced his way to the FT line a couple of times when the team really needed it. Once with 28 seconds to play, and he knocked down both shots. Without that, Auburn loses that game. He was pretty cool under pressure. Auburn plays Kansas on Saturday, so we get to see him play at least one more time.

Washington opens up against Utah State tomorrow at 5:50, and we get a chance to see Thybulle play. If the Huskies are going to win that game, Thybulle really has to live up to his reputation and be disruptive. If Washington advances, his draft stock is going to go up some, on the spot. If they're out, it's all about the combine.

[Biggems]

Windows had 35 in a loss to Maryland. I was hoping Belmont would make it to the Sweet 16.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Rui Hachimura having a good opening game.

Hachimura played very well. Zaga is so much better than Farleigh-Dickinson that I'm not sure it said a lot. The next round will be against Syracuse or Baylor, and they're playing right now. I think he'll wind up going before the Spurs get their shot, but stranger things have happened.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Windows had 35 in a loss to Maryland. I was hoping Belmont would make it to the Sweet 16.


Windler was a beast, I have to admit. It was a lot to ask for them to beat Maryland, but he did everything he could and more. If that last pass was on target, he's got a layup for the win. It was a good defensive play. I wish they had advanced, just to get another look at him, but he's got a nice stroke and he's more than just a catch-and-shoot threat from 3P.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Did anybody just watch the Wofford-Seton Hall game? Fletcher Magee just set the record for most career 3-pointers made in NCAA D1 history. The guy was just tossing in 3's from everywhere. He's predicted to go undrafted, or maybe late 2nd round. So should the Spurs use their second round pick on him?

Before you answer - any idea who had the record before, and is now in second place for most made 3-pointers in NCAA history? Household name - Travis Bader. And he plays for the Austin Spurs. It's just his bad luck the Spurs already have a guy on the roster who shoots 3's and plays terrible defense.

[sasaint]

Did anybody just watch the Wofford-Seton Hall game? Fletcher Magee just set the record for most career 3-pointers made in NCAA D1 history. The guy was just tossing in 3's from everywhere. He's predicted to go undrafted, or maybe late 2nd round. So should the Spurs use their second round pick on him?

Before you answer - any idea who had the record before, and is now in second place for most made 3-pointers in NCAA history? Household name - Travis Bader. And he plays for the Austin Spurs. It's just his bad luck the Spurs already have a guy on the roster who shoots 3's and plays terrible defense.

I saw a Wofford game earlier in the season as well as this one. Magee is a very impressive sharpshooter. With his stroke, some NBA team will give him a shot, but I don't think he will get drafted. Frankly, I don't know what the Spurs will do with 3 draft picks. I kind of expect a rare draft-day trade for our guys - either moving up or acquiring a veteran. Either way they shed a pick or two. But if they don't, as long as they cover the frontcourt with the first rounders, I wouldn't protest if they used #50 on Magee. IF Pop wants a player he could more reasonably compare to Curry...

[ZeusWillJudge]

I saw a Wofford game earlier in the season as well as this one. Magee is a very impressive sharpshooter. With his stroke, some NBA team will give him a shot, but I don't think he will get drafted. Frankly, I don't know what the Spurs will do with 3 draft picks. I kind of expect a rare draft-day trade for our guys - either moving up or acquiring a veteran. Either way they shed a pick or two. But if they don't, as long as they cover the frontcourt with the first rounders, I wouldn't protest if they used #50 on Magee. IF Pop wants a player he could more reasonably compare to Curry...


Yeah, comparing Forbes to Curry is Pop's idea of humor, I guess. I hope.

I don't think Magee is in the cards. The Spurs already had an unathletic white guy with the college record for 3-pointers. I'm not sure how much a second unathletic white guy with the new record college record for 3-pointers would add. I guess Forbes must do a little bit more than shoot 3's and play terrible D. :lol

[cd021]

As much as I want to get excited, for the draft, I don't see us bringing any one too exciting. And we already have many young players on the roster; Dejounte, Derrick, Poeltl, and Lonnie should take most of the minutes next season.so, I guess, only if we can bring someone like Hunter or Huchimara, then I would be excited :)

Don't think Lonnie plays a lot next season, probably fewer than 500 minutes

[alpha_HaZE]

Don't think Lonnie plays a lot next season, probably fewer than 500 minutes

You never know, if you compare Lonnie's G-league STATS with Derrick's they are not that far. White scored half a point more, grabbed more rebounds and blocked more shots, Lonnie had more steals and a better assist to turnover ration, he also fouls less. White was better but not by much, and am sure Lonnie his number one priority this year is to get healthy. He played injured all last year, which is why he fell to the 18th spot by the way.

All this to say, that If he is putting the work in, he will get his minutes am sure.

[exstatic]

Don't think Lonnie plays a lot next season, probably fewer than 500 minutes

If he’s healthy, he triples that.

[cd021]

If he’s healthy, he triples that.
Over the course of 82 games, 15000 minutes is equivalent to 18 minutes a game. I don't think he's playing anywhere near that amount.

[exstatic]

Over the course of 82 games, 15000 minutes is equivalent to 18 minutes a game. I don't think he's playing anywhere near that amount.

Why not? He was scheduled to play big club minutes this year, until his injury wiped out training camp. With a full SL and training camp, he’ll be good to go.

[cd021]

Why not? He was scheduled to play big club minutes this year, until his injury. With a full SL and trading camp, he’ll be good to go.

There are fewer guard-wing minutes to go around with Murray back and if Poeltl continues to start alongside LMA. Forbes may not even get 1500 minutes and he's 3rd on the team in total minutes this season.

[exstatic]

There are fewer guard-wing minutes to go around with Murray back and if Poeltl continues to start alongside LMA. Forbes may not even get 1500 minutes and he's 3rd on the team in total minutes this season.

So? Forbes won’t keep Lonnie on the bench.

[cd021]

You never know, if you compare Lonnie's G-league STATS with Derrick's they are not that far. White scored half a point more, grabbed more rebounds and blocked more shots, Lonnie had more steals and a better assist to turnover ration, he also fouls less. White was better but not by much, and am sure Lonnie his number one priority this year is to get healthy. He played injured all last year, which is why he fell to the 18th spot by the way.

All this to say, that If he is putting the work in, he will get his minutes am sure.

Where are his minutes coming from?

Murray, White, DeRozan, LMA, Poeltl (probable projected starting lineup, though I have doubts about that lineup)
Mills, Belinelli, Bertans, Gay

Unless Gay plays center, Forbes and Walker probably aren't going to have nearly as many opportunities to get minutes.

[objective]

Where are his minutes coming from?

Murray, White, DeRozan, LMA, Poeltl (probable projected starting lineup, though I have doubts about that lineup)
Mills, Belinelli, Bertans, Gay

Unless Gay plays center, Forbes and Walker probably aren't going to have nearly as many opportunities to get minutes.

I agree.

Walker was never getting minutes this season, any talk of him getting time was just talk. Before Murray got hurt there wasn't close to a spot in the rotation, especially considering they were going with DeRozan at shooting guard.

And considering the relatively decent year Forbes has had, it's hard to see Walker cracking next year either.

If Forbes was a disaster shooting like crap and not playing hard, maybe. But Pop loves these scrubby try hard guys. As it is there's still Mills getting his 20+ minutes, White deserving of 30 minutes, Murray working his way back to 25+ minutes, hopefully getting to 30+. Then of course Marco and Forbes. Even with DeRozan as a full time SF there's no room for Walker without injury.

Having both Mills and Forbes is redundant. I have little doubt that if Forbes was hurt the rest of the season they'd have a higher ceiling with Walker getting all those minutes, but the drill is the drill, Walker has to get over himself and probably wait another season until Forbes and Marco contracts expire.

[cd021]

So? Forbes won’t keep Lonnie on the bench.

Not saying he would, I'm saying there is a time crunch in the number of perimeter minutes. White and Murray are likely to play at least 28mpg, around 33mpg for DeRozan, Mills is entrenched as backup PG. The only player that Walker could possibly beat out in the rotation is Beli.

Beli has clear value as a shooter and spacer on this team and is also a negative because of his D but Walker is going to have to add something to the team to usurp him. Defense is most likely, he has the tools but is bad as a defensive player as of now.

[cd021]

I agree.

Walker was never getting minutes this season, any talk of him getting time was just talk. Before Murray got hurt there wasn't close to a spot in the rotation, especially considering they were going with DeRozan at shooting guard.

And considering the relatively decent year Forbes has had, it's hard to see Walker cracking next year either.

If Forbes was a disaster shooting like crap and not playing hard, maybe. But Pop loves these scrubby try hard guys. As it is there's still Mills getting his 20+ minutes, White deserving of 30 minutes, Murray working his way back to 25+ minutes, hopefully getting to 30+. Then of course Marco and Forbes. Even with DeRozan as a full time SF there's no room for Walker without injury.

Having both Mills and Forbes is redundant. I have little doubt that if Forbes was hurt the rest of the season they'd have a higher ceiling with Walker getting all those minutes, but the drill is the drill, Walker has to get over himself and probably wait another season until Forbes and Marco contracts expire.

I think that was always the plan, that's the reason why Beli was signed to a two-year deal. PATFO probably thinks Walker was always going take two years before he was fully ready to contribute.

PATFO should at least consider moving Forbes but he'll likely be retained until after next season. The guard/wing rotation after that will probably be Murray, White, DeRozan, Mills, & Walker.

[Atl Spur]

Lonnie will play next year barring re-injury.

[BackHome]

Walker will get some minutes but he is going to have to play good offense and defense if he wants consistent minutes. He is still young and needs to improve but he has the talent just needs experience to put everything together.

[cd021]

Lonnie will play next year barring re-injury.


Walker will get some minutes but he is going to have to play good offense and defense if he wants consistent minutes. He is still young and needs to improve but he has the talent just needs experience to put everything together.

His ticket to playing time is defense; if he impresses on that end in summer league, training camp, scrimmages, and the preseason then I think he could push Beli for back up wing minutes.

If not, then Beli will retain likely his role next season.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Final Mock Draft Ahead of March Madness 2nd Round
David Kenyon March 22, 2019


21. San Antonio Spurs: Daniel Gafford, C, Arkansas


29. San Antonio Spurs: Goga Bitadze, C, Georgia (1999)

[Drom John]

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By Jonathan Adams

Updated Mar 21, 2019 at 6:00pm


No. 21 Spurs SG Kevin Porter, USC


No. 29 Spurs (via Raptors) SF Matisse Thybulle, Washington

[Atl Spur]

The game appears that it is slowing down for him; Remember he is basically playing against GROWN men! The side step move he does looks natural ( manu must show him that in & out dribble ).

[Atl Spur]

I would love thybulle!

[ZeusWillJudge]

Thybulle living up to his hype. He had 5 steals and 3 blocks to go along with 10 points, and he was disruptive as hell on D. Neemias Queta not so much.

You're still an effeminate piss-boy, though.

I would love thybulle!

This pic is of Thybulle and Queta. Sort of sums up the game.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/neemias-queta-of-the-utah-state-aggies-reacts-as-matisse-thybulle-of-picture-id1137648261

[Atl Spur]

Thybulle living up to his hype. He had 5 steals and 3 blocks to go along with 10 points, and he was disruptive as hell on D. Neemias Queta not so much.

You're still an effeminate piss-boy, though.


This pic is of Thybulle and Queta. Sort of sums up the game.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/neemias-queta-of-the-utah-state-aggies-reacts-as-matisse-thybulle-of-picture-id1137648261

Just call me dad����

[bluebellmaniac]

The game appears that it is slowing down for him; Remember he is basically playing against GROWN men! The side step move he does looks natural ( manu must show him that in & out dribble ).

Who?

[Atl Spur]

Who?

My fault....Lonnie.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think that was always the plan, that's the reason why Beli was signed to a two-year deal. PATFO probably thinks Walker was always going take two years before he was fully ready to contribute.

PATFO should at least consider moving Forbes but he'll likely be retained until after next season. The guard/wing rotation after that will probably be Murray, White, DeRozan, Mills, & Walker.

Thats not true at all. The reason they signed Marco was for Danny & Manu insurance -- they needed depth in that case.

Spurs were very open minded with playing Lonnie early, but he got hurt and fell behind. Pop has been on record saying this.

Lonnie will be a big part of the bench next season if he stays healthy, mark my words.

[Biggems]

I am now officially on the Thybully bandwagon. We need someone like him to harass and bully opposing guards and small forwards.

I still want Windler in the 2nd.

[Degoat]

Honestly kinda hope we finish in the 8th seed so will have a better pick lol it would be dope if we could get a modern day big and thybulle

[cd021]

Thats not true at all. The reason they signed Marco was for Danny & Manu insurance -- they needed depth in that case.

Spurs were very open minded with playing Lonnie early, but he got hurt and fell behind. Pop has been on record saying this.

Lonnie will be a big part of the bench next season if he stays healthy, mark my words.

I didn't say that was why Beli was signed but why he was signed to a two year deal. I don't think he was realistic going to play much this season but could've had a shot at minutes had he not got injured early.

I don't buy he'll carve out a role next season, unless he shows that he can really defend. Murray's back, White getting more minutes, DDRs 33 minutes and the Spurs starting Aldridge and Poeltl together.

I don't see where these minutes are coming from unless he beats out Beli but Beli still fills a role on next year's team.

[sasaint]

His ticket to playing time is defense; if he impresses on that end in summer league, training camp, scrimmages, and the preseason then I think he could push Beli for back up wing minutes.

If not, then Beli will retain likely his role next season.

Yep. Defend well; get playing time.

[Play Boban]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Final Mock Draft Ahead of March Madness 2nd Round
David Kenyon March 22, 2019
Goga would be such a steal. :wow

Future starting front court of Poeltl and Goga... :wow

[sasaint]

In the LSU/Maryland matchup, Naz Reid is impressing much more than Bruno Fernando in the first half. Reid is plenty quick with a good feel for the game, and he is very explosive to the rim. Some mocks have him going around 19/20. I really want a good, long wing with our first pick, but Naz is pretty impressive.

[sasaint]

I agree.

Walker was never getting minutes this season, any talk of him getting time was just talk. Before Murray got hurt there wasn't close to a spot in the rotation, especially considering they were going with DeRozan at shooting guard.

And considering the relatively decent year Forbes has had, it's hard to see Walker cracking next year either.

If Forbes was a disaster shooting like crap and not playing hard, maybe. But Pop loves these scrubby try hard guys. As it is there's still Mills getting his 20+ minutes, White deserving of 30 minutes, Murray working his way back to 25+ minutes, hopefully getting to 30+. Then of course Marco and Forbes. Even with DeRozan as a full time SF there's no room for Walker without injury.

Having both Mills and Forbes is redundant. I have little doubt that if Forbes was hurt the rest of the season they'd have a higher ceiling with Walker getting all those minutes, but the drill is the drill, Walker has to get over himself and probably wait another season until Forbes and Marco contracts expire.

I am praying that Pop moves at least one G in a package for a legit, young SF or on draft night with a pick to move up to get a good SF there.

[joeyjfive]

We all want Thybulle so that pretty much guarantees the Spurs will pick someone else.

[Gordy58]

We all want Thybulle so that pretty much guarantees the Spurs will pick someone else. he played With Murray, so hopefully there’s a connection there.

[NickiRasgo]

Why I'm seeing Bruno Fernando with Spurs? Isn't he's a top 10 pick? I know it's only a mock draft but it seems unrealistic.

[sasaint]

Herro vs. Magee could be fun.

[exstatic]

We all want Thybulle so that pretty much guarantees the Spurs will pick someone else.

I think they’ll grab him with their first pick, if he’s there. He’s trending like Elfrid Payton was a couple of years ago. Starts out a nobody, slides into the first round, and ends up going like #10. The Stepien has him rated #8 overall, and I’m betting he’s in the Spurs top 10, too. MT started out a second round prospect, slipped into the late first, and I’ve seen him as high as 24 to Philly.

[SpurPadre]

Thybulle was quoted on Yahoo saying that he's better than most players going ahead of him in mocks. Pop doesn't like that type of arrogance, as we all know.

[duncan2150]

In the LSU/Maryland matchup, Naz Reid is impressing much more than Bruno Fernando in the first half. Reid is plenty quick with a good feel for the game, and he is very explosive to the rim. Some mocks have him going around 19/20. I really want a good, long wing with our first pick, but Naz is pretty impressive.

I like him too, he gives you some hustle, athletism.

I agree we need wings but im not With people who said you can have a good big via Free agency for the min or something else. Having an adebayo type of player, locked for four years is not a bad thing.

[sasaint]

I like him too, he gives you some hustle, athletism.

I agree we need wings but im not With people who said you can have a good big via Free agency for the min or something else. Having an adebayo type of player, locked for four years is not a bad thing.

The guy come to LSU weighing like 270 or something and has sculpted his body. A good indication of his attitude and dedication to improving.

[ace3g]

Anyone know if Rui Hachimura ok? Or just having a bad game?

[Biggems]

How much would our team potentially improve with Naz and Matisse?

[BWS-1994]

Read somewhere that Jontay Porter retore his ACL?

[sasaint]

Brandon Clarke may be playing himself into the first round.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Read somewhere that Jontay Porter retore his ACL?


Yep. Very, very sad day for that young man.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Anyone know if Rui Hachimura ok? Or just having a bad game?


It looked like Clarke just had the hot hand. I turned that game because it looked like Zaga was just too much better than Baylor. I expected Hachimura to put up some numbers in the second half.


Ja Morant showed how to advance your case for the draft, even when your team loses.

[sasaint]

It looked like Clarke just had the hot hand. I turned that game because it looked like Zaga was just too much better than Baylor. I expected Hachimura to put up some numbers in the second half.


Ja Morant showed how to advance your case for the draft, even when your team loses.

Yep, Ja is the real deal.

[Atl Spur]

How much would our team potentially improve with Naz and Matisse?

Sign me up!

[ZeusWillJudge]

If anybody's interested in watching Chuma Okeke, Auburn is playing Kansas right now. Okeke wears #5.

While you're at it, here's an article about him. He sounds almost too much like a Spur. :lol

https://www.oanow.com/sports/college/auburn/basketball/men/reluctant-superstar-auburn-s-quiet-okeke-shrugs-as-the-spotlight/article_b5769686-4d1f-11e9-8220-b327715b49c7.html

[ZeusWillJudge]

Okeke had a quiet game - 12 points, 5 boards, 4 AST, and a block or two. They didn't call his name a lot on D, because Kansas didn't challenge him often. A few things to like about him that you won't hear them talk about much:

He's the guy inbounding the ball, every single time. Because he's smart and makes good decisions, and he's a good passer.

He boxes out on the defensive boards better than anyone on the current Spurs roster. He gets his position early, but then he stays with it. Too often, Spurs players will leave their guy to try and go for the rebound themselves. Okeke doesn't mind letting a teammate get the rebound - he makes sure his guy is out of the play. He gets his share, but his team (and teammates) really benefit from his body work. It's one of the things I bitch about all the time with these Spurs.

He does a good job of keeping himself in position to keep an eye on both man and ball. (Got that Patty, Bryn, Marco?) He stays at home on defense, but his recognition and timing is very good for when to come over and help.

Tonight Auburn just wiped the floor with Kansas. Bryce Brown was unconscious shooting, and Jared Harper wasn't far behind, so Okeke didn't have to do much scoring. Next game they meet the winner of Washington-UNC. I don't like Washington's chances of winning that one, but of they do we would actually get to see Thybulle and Okeke on the floor at the same time.

[sasaint]

Okeke had a quiet game - 12 points, 5 boards, 4 AST, and a block or two. They didn't call his name a lot on D, because Kansas didn't challenge him often. A few things to like about him that you won't hear them talk about much:

He's the guy inbounding the ball, every single time. Because he's smart and makes good decisions, and he's a good passer.

He boxes out on the defensive boards better than anyone on the current Spurs roster. He gets his position early, but then he stays with it. Too often, Spurs players will leave their guy to try and go for the rebound themselves. Okeke doesn't mind letting a teammate get the rebound - he makes sure his guy is out of the play. He gets his share, but his team (and teammates) really benefit from his body work. It's one of the things I bitch about all the time with these Spurs.

He does a good job of keeping himself in position to keep an eye on both man and ball. (Got that Patty, Bryn, Marco?) He stays at home on defense, but his recognition and timing is very good for when to come over and help.

Tonight Auburn just wiped the floor with Kansas. Bryce Brown was unconscious shooting, and Jared Harper wasn't far behind, so Okeke didn't have to do much scoring. Next game they meet the winner of Washington-UNC. I don't like Washington's chances of winning that one, but of they do we would actually get to see Thybulle and Okeke on the floor at the same time.

The only guy who sounded more like a Spur recently was Malcolm Brogdon, and the Spurs passed on him. If they have a chance and pass on Okeke, I will be pissed all over again. I really want this guy.

[Chinook]

Brandon Clarke may be playing himself into the first round.

He's been projected as a lotto pick most of the year. He'd be a huge pickup for the Spurs, even at 19 or whatever. Dude can flat-out play, just like White could coming out of school. Defensively, he can play with another center easily. Offensively, he probably needs an outside shot, especially if the Spurs run with LMA, Poeltl and a third traditional center.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Don't be surprised if the Spurs do a draft day trade involving Murray to move up to take a guy they like.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do this because Murray is coming up on contract negotiations soon and clutch sports management is most definitely going to ask for the max amount allowed even though Murray will most likely still be some what of a project player. Plus out of all the players on the roster he is the one most GM'S would want to trade for.

[exstatic]

The only guy who sounded more like a Spur recently was Malcolm Brogdon, and the Spurs passed on him. If they have a chance and pass on Okeke, I will be pissed all over again. I really want this guy.

Need I remind you that 29 other teams also passed on him in the first round?

[picnroll]

Love some Clarke. Thing Spurs would have to move up to get him.

[cd021]

Don't be surprised if the Spurs do a draft day trade involving Murray to move up to take a guy they like.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do this because Murray is coming up on contract negotiations soon and clutch sports management is most definitely going to ask for the max amount allowed even though Murray will most likely still be some what of a project player. Plus out of all the players on the roster he is the one most GM'S would want to trade for.

Yeah, don't know if I buy that. He missed a full year of development and the Spurs thought he was ready to break out prior to his injury, they'd be trading him before knowing whether he ever reaches his potiential.

Teams aren't likely to give up much unless they see him back healthy and producing, and that probably won't be until he gets a couple of months of games back.

Murray would really have to break out in order for clutch to try the Tristan Thompson/ Eric Bledsoe route, in that case the Spurs would probably be willing to pay him because that means he will have leap frogged White-who currently looks like he could be a well above average starting guard for years to come, as a prospect.

[cd021]

Yep. Very, very sad day for that young man.

Read somewhere that his siblings have also had serious, leg or knee issues. Two of his sister's had to quit playing ball because of leg injuries and his older brother missed this season with a ALC tear iirc.

Hard to imagine Jontay going in the first now unfortunately.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Yeah, don't know if I buy that. He missed a full year of development and the Spurs thought he was ready to break out prior to his injury, they'd be trading him before knowing whether he ever reaches his potiential.

Teams aren't likely to give up much unless they see him back healthy and producing, and that probably won't be until he gets a couple of months of games back.

Murray would really have to break out in order for clutch to try the Tristan Thompson/ Eric Bledsoe route, in that case the Spurs would probably be willing to pay him because that means he will have leap frogged White-who currently looks like he could be a well above average starting guard for years to come, as a prospect.

I honestly believe that teams would be willing to trade down a bit in the draft if he is attached to the pick. There are a lot of people who think he is better than he actually is which works in the Spurs favor. ACL injuries are far from being the death blow they used to be for athletes, especially this being his 1st time and being so young to boot.

I think Murray has talent but I also think he was a long way from being an actual point guard and him missing this season might set him back with that development. The team has a glut of guards and could use one or 2 of them as trade chips to move up in the draft or maybe even get a young veteran.

Clutch sports is going to try their best to get Murray and all their clients paid. Hopefully you are right though and they don't try to play hardball with a guy who is still trying to prove his worth

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Okeke had a quiet game - 12 points, 5 boards, 4 AST, and a block or two. They didn't call his name a lot on D, because Kansas didn't challenge him often. A few things to like about him that you won't hear them talk about much:

He's the guy inbounding the ball, every single time. Because he's smart and makes good decisions, and he's a good passer.

He boxes out on the defensive boards better than anyone on the current Spurs roster. He gets his position early, but then he stays with it. Too often, Spurs players will leave their guy to try and go for the rebound themselves. Okeke doesn't mind letting a teammate get the rebound - he makes sure his guy is out of the play. He gets his share, but his team (and teammates) really benefit from his body work. It's one of the things I bitch about all the time with these Spurs.

He does a good job of keeping himself in position to keep an eye on both man and ball. (Got that Patty, Bryn, Marco?) He stays at home on defense, but his recognition and timing is very good for when to come over and help.

Tonight Auburn just wiped the floor with Kansas. Bryce Brown was unconscious shooting, and Jared Harper wasn't far behind, so Okeke didn't have to do much scoring. Next game they meet the winner of Washington-UNC. I don't like Washington's chances of winning that one, but of they do we would actually get to see Thybulle and Okeke on the floor at the same time.

After looking at his season stats and watching him play more I think I'm in the same boat as you. He could be a really good pick up who might be able to play sooner rather than later for the big squad. The sad thing is I bet he gets picked before our selection

[sasaint]

Need I remind you that 29 other teams also passed on him in the first round?

Not sure what that means. The only team I root for and wanted to draft the guy passed on him. That's all that matters to me. He was certainly not a lotto pick, but would have been okay at 29.

But I wasn't even really talking about the relative merit of the pick. Dijon may turn out better in the long run. We shall see. But in the aftermath of the draft I was disappointed and pissed that a guy I had rooted for his entire college career and who desperately wanted to become a Spur and was a perfect fit didn't end up with my guys.

[sasaint]

He's been projected as a lotto pick most of the year. He'd be a huge pickup for the Spurs, even at 19 or whatever. Dude can flat-out play, just like White could coming out of school. Defensively, he can play with another center easily. Offensively, he probably needs an outside shot, especially if the Spurs run with LMA, Poeltl and a third traditional center.

I haven't followed many mocks, and I really only check them every once in awhile. I haven't really followed Clarke, individually, either. But I just quickly noticed that he was projected at 32 or so on nbadraft.net.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I don't know how good of a defender these two guys are but Cameron Johnson of UNC and Dylan Windler could be pretty good lower pick ups for the team. Windler and Johnson can both shoot the hell out of the ball and have small forward size well height

The PIT tournament for the seniors will show how well these guys can play while not being the man

[Chinook]

I haven't followed many mocks, and I really only check them every once in awhile. I haven't really followed Clarke, individually, either. But I just quickly noticed that he was projected at 32 or so on nbadraft.net.

NBADraft.net is the weirdest site for mock drafts. They're so different from the basic consensus and routinely have consensus first-rounders as undrafted and vice-versa.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

NBADraft.net is the weirdest site for mock drafts. They're so different from the basic consensus and routinely have consensus first-rounders as undrafted and vice-versa.

So true. They have some of the craziest comparisons and player grades also. I miss draftexpress when they had their website.

Those guys stayed on top of all the tournaments worldwide. Those cats are super plugged in

[NickiRasgo]

Which site so far has been reliable when it comes to mock draft?

[ZeusWillJudge]

NBADraft.net is the weirdest site for mock drafts. They're so different from the basic consensus and routinely have consensus first-rounders as undrafted and vice-versa.


I've wondered if the whole thing is an algorithm, with nobody even looking over it to give a logic check.

[picnroll]

Second game I’ve seen Thybulle, second game I’m unimpressed.

[exstatic]

Second game I’ve seen Thybulle, second game I’m unimpressed.

Dude, he had FIVE steals and THREE blocks in the first game. THAT is why you draft him. If his offense is even Tony Allen, you get a 10 year starter.

[picnroll]

Dude, he had FIVE steals and THREE blocks in the first game. THAT is why you draft him. If his offense is even Tony Allen, you get a 10 year starter.
His offense is too pathetic. Playing a zone doesn’t show me how much his defense translates to the NBA. From that game I’d much rather have Cameron Johnson. Spurs have perimeter defense already with Murray and White. Thybulle is not a need. Remember everyone’s wet dreams about Bell?

[Seventyniner]

We all want Thybulle so that pretty much guarantees he will get picked right before the Spurs pick.

Fixed.

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t want thybulle with our 1st pick but with the raptors pick we have he’d be a good get.. idk where mock drafts have him but most mocks aren’t accurate. I really follow players up until the draft and both Murray and walker were suppose to be top 15 guys in the draft according to mock drafts and they ended up falling to us

[exstatic]

His offense is too pathetic. Playing a zone doesn’t show me how much his defense translates to the NBA. From that game I’d much rather have Cameron Johnson. Spurs have perimeter defense already with Murray and White. Thybulle is not a need. Remember everyone’s wet dreams about Bell?

Did you read The Stepien article? He’s not just a good or great defender, he’s generational. No one has done what he’s done at the D1 level in like 35 years. If he comes into the league and shoots even 34-35 percent from 3, he’ll have a ten year or longer career like Tony Allen did. If he somehow completely fixes his shot, and hits 40%, he’ll have the impact of a HOF player. THATS how ungodly his defense is. Think smaller Rodman , equally disruptive, minus the psychoses.

[picnroll]

We shall see. One of us will be right, one wrong or both in between. One thing for sure he ain’t ever gonna rebound like Rodman (or be as effective defensively as Rodman who guarded everyone from Shaw to guards).

[duncan2150]

I also think thybulle ceilling is more end of first round. He is a very good defender, not a good offensive player and he’s already 22. Imo he will go 20-30, depends on his workouts and combine.

[objective]

His offense is too pathetic. Playing a zone doesn’t show me how much his defense translates to the NBA. From that game I’d much rather have Cameron Johnson. Spurs have perimeter defense already with Murray and White. Thybulle is not a need. Remember everyone’s wet dreams about Bell?

Bell is going to have like an 8+ year career in the league, he's not a bust, and Thybulle should translate much better to the NBA because he's not that undersized for the wing and I think is even longer than Bell as it is.

On the one hand, I agree that Syracuse zone is trash for the NBA, too many bad defenders have come out of it. Of course, it's usually the guys hiding in the zone and not active playmakers like Thybulle. And of course in the games I've watched in full, there's been times when it did end manned up and I've seen Thybulle get beat.

But I love him on the Spurs. I think he's an SF defender with his length and instincts. He's bigger and a lot longer than White, and White's been stuck guarding 6'7"+ guys all year as necessary. Thybulle could take those assignments and be a plus defender there.

Offensively I agree with Sam Vecenie who believes that Thybulle can do more than he shows in a game to game basis. I've likened him to a Garret Temple or poor man's Battier. When he's the best or second best offensive player, there's going to be problems. But get him next to much better players for him to feed off of with cuts and open shots and moving the ball, and he's going to blossom.

I worry that he won't last until the Toronto pick. Boston has all those picks, there's OKC who might never have Robertson normal ever again. Utah could use depth. Pacers, Portland, Philly, Golden State, all those teams could use a fourth/fifth wing on a low salary to come in, make plays as a plus defender, and be low enough usage to not get in the way of the better offensive players.

[objective]

Which site so far has been reliable when it comes to mock draft?

Sam Vecenie does one for The Athletic (behind a paywall) but will discuss the draft a lot on his podcast and others like the RealGM podcast. I believe last year after the draft he bragged about him being the most accurate out of all the noteworthy ones (SI, ESPN, RINGER, various Stepien contributors, nbadraft, tankathon, etc)

I don't know his current mock as I don't pay for The Athletic

[ZeusWillJudge]

I've liked Thybulle for the Spurs for two years now. But it's a little early to be talking HOF. He broke the PAC10 record for steals that was previously held by Jason Kidd. Kidd had a few other skills to go with the steals. I think it's worth noting that Thybulle's 326 steals is the most in PAC10 history, but 22nd in NCAA history. Does anybody remember the 6'3" Jason Hart who used to play for the Spurs? He had 329 steals, playing for Syracuse (and more REB than Thybulle). Bonzi Wells had 347 STL, plus 92 BLK, plus 843 REB (more than twice as many boards as Thybulle). Nobody was calling Bonzi Wells a generational defender coming out of college.

As recently as a few months ago, Matisse was mostly talked about as a very good defender, but there were lots of doubts about him because he's played zone against college level opposition. Most projected him in the bottom half of the second round, if he got drafted at all. Then, sort of all at once, these articles started showing up downplaying any concern about the zone, and calling him the greatest defender ever. I don't have anything against a good PR campaign - it's just business. But he's the same player he was a few months ago.

I'd like Thybulle as a Spur, but not at the cost of the Spurs' first pick. If he's there at 29, I hope they pounce. IF he translates to the NBA, and IF he develops his shooting, he'll be a bargain. But right now the Spurs have two other guys about the same height who are pretty damn good defenders, and better at other things.

[objective]

Jason Hart played 4 years in the Syracuse zone, Thybulle only two because they did man under Romar. Washington had terrible defense under Romar but Thybulle was still their best defender. Murray was awful on defense in college under Romar, and look what just a year with San Antonio did for him. If Thybulle had played all 4 years under Hopkins his career steal total would probably be over 400, maybe 425 and that would be #1 all time by a sizable margin

And Bonzi had those numbers sure, but I remember him at a Ball State and they played cupcakes like the rest of the trash MAC. Some of those schools haven't had a player drafted in over 30 years. Even at it's worst the PAC-12 and it's previous incarnations were light years ahead of the MAC.

[kobyz]

I don't want Thybulle at all, can't dribble or drive to save his life, haven't we suffer enough with Danny Green to bring his second coming?!?!

[objective]

And focusing on his historic steal numbers is one thing. But don't forget the blocks.

Filtering out anyone listed as C, C/F, or F/C, when it comes to combined season totals for blocks since 92/93 ... Thybulle is number 100.

But if you check out the heights for players listed at 6-6 and less, he's number 7. If you go by 6-5, his listed height, he's #2 since 92/93. #1 would be 6-5 Marques Blakely who played at the powerhouse Vermont (and also had 100 fewer career steals).

Back to the 6-6 players, you get guys who went to a Eastern Tennessee State, UNC Greensboro, Denver, Rider, and Central Connecticut.

Zone bloated his numbers may be, but they are historically noteworthy.

[kobyz]

And focusing on his historic steal numbers is one thing. But don't forget the blocks.

Filtering out anyone listed as C, C/F, or F/C, when it comes to combined season totals for blocks since 92/93 ... Thybulle is number 100.

But if you check out the heights for players listed at 6-6 and less, he's number 7. If you go by 6-5, his listed height, he's #2 since 92/93. #1 would be 6-5 Marques Blakely who played at the powerhouse Vermont (and also had 100 fewer career steals).

Back to the 6-6 players, you get guys who went to a Eastern Tennessee State, UNC Greensboro, Denver, Rider, and Central Connecticut.

Zone bloated his numbers may be, but they are historically noteworthy.
For the nba he's too undersized, 6-5 Shane Battier is not an nba player...

[objective]

For the nba he's too undersized, 6-5 Shane Battier is not an nba player...

I disagree, especially with a 7' wingspan. But we'll see, maybe he busts

[ZeusWillJudge]

I disagree, especially with a 7' wingspan. But we'll see, maybe he busts

I don't think he's a bust, by any means. But look, when you sorted for blocks you filtered out all the big men. But those big men are a lot more able to get blocks in the NBA. A 6'5" guy just isn't going to get as many blocks in the NBA as he did in college. He just isn't. He'll be a very good shot blocker... for a 6'5" guy. I consider Kawhi a generational defender. But John Wall has a season with more STLs and more BLKs than Kawhi's best season ever. There is a LOT more to being a great defender than those two numbers.

Kobyz comment below has some validity. Danny was a superior defender, and a very good 3P shooter - and people screamed about his inability to drive to the basket. Thybulle's 3P shot is broken as of right now, and he's not going to be driving to the rim successfully in the NBA - at least not for a while. My point is just that I don't think he's worth overpaying for with a too-early draft pick. And I'm a fan.



I don't want Thybulle at all, can't dribble or drive to save his life, haven't we suffer enough with Danny Green to bring his second coming?!?!

[Chinook]

Clarke and Thybulle are arguably the two best defenders in the nation. I'm not a huge fan of the latter, but getting both would make a statement for sure.

[R. DeMurre]

My fear is other teams pass on Thybulle and Golden State grabs him. He'd be perfect for them, where his offense wouldn't matter, and it would give them the flexibility to improve their defense without spending much money. Then they could trade Draymond for practical pieces before his free agency hits, which presumably will be too expensive for them to pay if they are able to re-sign both Durant and Klay this summer.

[objective]

I don't think he's a bust, by any means. But look, when you sorted for blocks you filtered out all the big men. But those big men are a lot more able to get blocks in the NBA. A 6'5" guy just isn't going to get as many blocks in the NBA as he did in college. He just isn't. He'll be a very good shot blocker... for a 6'5" guy. I consider Kawhi a generational defender. But John Wall has a season with more STLs and more BLKs than Kawhi's best season ever. There is a LOT more to being a great defender than those two numbers.

Kobyz comment below has some validity. Danny was a superior defender, and a very good 3P shooter - and people screamed about his inability to drive to the basket. Thybulle's 3P shot is broken as of right now, and he's not going to be driving to the rim successfully in the NBA - at least not for a while. My point is just that I don't think he's worth overpaying for with a too-early draft pick. And I'm a fan.

Of course I filtered out the centers, because Thybulle never plays at center. Even filtering out centers left tons of college pfs, like David West etc etc. And none of them at 6-6 or less totalled more career blocks other than the ones I mentioned. Sure, that favors four year players, but the point remains that Thybulle IS someone who could be considered 'generational' or 'historic' etc, at least at the college level

And I don't feel comparing him to Danny Green to point out his shortcomings is such a negative. Whatever his shortcomings, Danny Green has been a plus defender and playoffs/title contending team starter for 8 straight years after 2 years of development after 4 years in college.

It's not some big strike against Thybulle if he doesn't get to that level. So many first rounders don't. Even with the earlier Spurs pick. That could be anywhere from what, 18-24? If a player from 18-24 never becomes the equal of Danny Green that's not a big surprise to me

One thing I will say is that I like his relatively low usage projection. Because at least he should play within his limits, unlike Kyle Anderson who thought he was point guard and wanted to have the ball all the time so he could dribble the air out of it. And then if he was open was too scared to shoot. I don't get those vibes from Thybulle, I think he'll shoot, pass or move, not just bobbling his giant skull up and down as the shot clock ticks away like Slo-Mo.

And Thybulle isn't the only guy I like, so if somehow Hunter or Clarke is there with the early pick and they take those guys with the risk of Thybulle being gone that's fine with me. I may have loved Jordan Bell 2 years ago but I also had White on my hope-for list with that pick, so I'm not married to Thybulle.

[sasaint]

I don't want Thybulle at all, can't dribble or drive to save his life, haven't we suffer enough with Danny Green to bring his second coming?!?!

If Thybulle could shoot like Danny Green, we wouldn't be able to get him with the 20th pick.

[Mr. Body]

I don't want Thybulle at all, can't dribble or drive to save his life, haven't we suffer enough with Danny Green to bring his second coming?!?!

If you want a 3 and D guy to dribble, you have problems.

[objective]

Danny Green could shoot in college and wasn't taken until 46. 45 players drafted ahead on him, only 15 have played as long as him (I'm counting Blake who missed the first season and Rubio who was overseas but could have easily played). And Green was cut multiple times before he got it.

I can see the upside in Thybulle who spent his first 2 years under a catastrophic coach. Murray went through night and day development. I'm not surprised that other talented players, high lottery picks like Fultz and Chris's under Romar but without the Spurs guidance have been mental disasters

Switching to the zone is nice, turning the program around is nice. But I think there is still more to tap into. Not a star or anything, but a damn good rotation player who can win plays on defense and eventually not hurt the team on offense

[R. DeMurre]

:lol People want a "3 & D" guy but would also like him to be a good ball handler, passer, and rebounder.

[Mr. Body]

:lol People want a "3 & D" guy but would also like him to be a good ball handler, passer, and rebounder.

Idiots.

[Chinook]

:lol People want a "3 & D" guy but would also like him to be a good ball handler, passer, and rebounder.

It's not as silly as you suggest. First, it's hard to be a legit good defender without being at least an adequate rebounder for your position. Danny Green has been that. As far as handling and passing go, you can't expect your role-player to have a star-level floor game, but in today's NBA, you need to have five "live" guys on the court. That means everyone needs to be able to move the ball or move themselves to keep the offense going. Danny's off-ball movement is really underappreciated on this forum, but even still, he usually failed to do enough during close-outs to counter teams overplaying him for the shot. The era of Bowen-esque three-and-D players is long gone. You've got to be able to play multiple positions on both ends now.

[BackHome]

Amen Brother.

[R. DeMurre]

It's not as silly as you suggest. First, it's hard to be a legit good defender without being at least an adequate rebounder for your position. Danny Green has been that. As far as handling and passing go, you can't expect your role-player to have a star-level floor game, but in today's NBA, you need to have five "live" guys on the court. That means everyone needs to be able to move the ball or move themselves to keep the offense going. Danny's off-ball movement is really underappreciated on this forum, but even still, he usually failed to do enough during close-outs to counter teams overplaying him for the shot. The era of Bowen-esque three-and-D players is long gone. You've got to be able to play multiple positions on both ends now.

My point was a guy like that is probably going in the top 12, not at #29. "3 & D" inherently implies shortcomings in other areas-- otherwise, they'd be labelled "well rounded" or "complete game."

[Chinook]

Yes, but the point is that "well-rounded" is becoming the assumed nature of an NBA player rather than a virtue. We're not just talking about draft stock here. A guy who can't put it on the floor and pass is going to have a hard time being a plus player in today's game. Folks have no idea how good of a player Green is, so they think a lot of random players with his limitations can succeed. But it's like Aldridge's offensive game He gets away with it, but almost no other big can. In olden times, Thybulle would have just been seen as a guy with a role-player projection. Now, he has to be looked at like a guy who may not even be able to play in the league at all. It's like Josh Huestis, except Josh has also demonstrated that his defense isn't really NBA-level either.

[Mr. Body]

It's not as silly as you suggest. First, it's hard to be a legit good defender without being at least an adequate rebounder for your position. Danny Green has been that. As far as handling and passing go, you can't expect your role-player to have a star-level floor game, but in today's NBA, you need to have five "live" guys on the court. That means everyone needs to be able to move the ball or move themselves to keep the offense going. Danny's off-ball movement is really underappreciated on this forum, but even still, he usually failed to do enough during close-outs to counter teams overplaying him for the shot. The era of Bowen-esque three-and-D players is long gone. You've got to be able to play multiple positions on both ends now.

You're waaaay overselling what most players can do in the NBA. Fuck, even Klay Thompson barely ever dribbles the ball, much less Joe Harris or JJ Reddick. If those guys are dribbling the ball, something's gone horribly wrong. The Rockets' entire game plan is to have dudes like Gerald Green never have to put the ball on the floor.

[Mr. Body]

I think I may have misread you, but the notion that most guys aren't just sitting around the perimeter is mistaken. That's exactly what they're doing.

[Chinook]

You're waaaay overselling what most players can do in the NBA. Fuck, even Klay Thompson barely ever dribbles the ball, much less Joe Harris or JJ Reddick. If those guys are dribbling the ball, something's gone horribly wrong. The Rockets' entire game plan is to have dudes like Gerald Green never have to put the ball on the floor.

Not really though. I'm not saying Thybulle can't develop or that he wouldn't develop quickly. I've never seen him play. But acting like "three-and-D" guys don't have to do more in today's game is wrong-headed. Taking a guy with a good body and decent offensive foundation and teaching him defensive concepts and positioning usually turns out a better player than a guy with great D but who can't score. It's so weird that people think Pop is a great defensive coach while also thinking the Spurs need to prioritize defense over offense in the draft. Almost all of the team's leading scorers could leave the team after next year, and it's not even clear anyway that Walker won't be a better defender at the NBA level than Thybulle.

[Mr. Body]

Not really though. I'm not saying Thybulle can't develop or that he wouldn't develop quickly. I've never seen him play. But acting like "three-and-D" guys don't have to do more in today's game is wrong-headed. Taking a guy with a good body and decent offensive foundation and teaching him defensive concepts and positioning usually turns out a better player than a guy with great D but who can't score. It's so weird that people think Pop is a great defensive coach while also thinking the Spurs need to prioritize defense over offense in the draft. Almost all of the team's leading scorers could leave the team after next year, and it's not even clear anyway that Walker won't be a better defender at the NBA level than Thybulle.

I don't know what you're watching, but players really aren't called to do much more than they did before in the NBA. In fact, they lurk around the perimeter far more than they used to and probably dribble less. They just appear to be better ball handlers because the defenses are pulled out so far, leaving the middle easier to access.

[Chinook]

I don't know what you're watching, but players really aren't called to do much more than they did before in the NBA. In fact, they lurk around the perimeter far more than they used to and probably dribble less. They just appear to be better ball handlers because the defenses are pulled out so far, leaving the middle easier to access.

If that were true, Danny wouldn't still look like a train wreck with the ball on the floor.

[Mr. Body]

If that were true, Danny wouldn't still look like a train wreck with the ball on the floor.

So... you're judging the whole league by one player? Huh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A lot of interesting prospects in the draft if you’re looking for good role players instead of stars. Really like KZ Okpala, Louis King and Chuma Okeke for that SF spot. All could be there for the Spurs at 19-21. Also slightly less realistic but Rui Hachimura, Keldon Johnson and Brandon Clarke (if he’s more like John Collins than Jordan Bell) and Grant Williams is also an intelligent player that coaches would probably love to work with.

A lot of decent talent there and with the draft stock being muddy after the first 10 or so, someone’s bound to drop.

[kobyz]

A lot of interesting prospects in the draft if you’re looking for good role players instead of stars. Really like KZ Okpala, Louis King and Chuma Okeke for that SF spot. All could be there for the Spurs at 19-21. Also slightly less realistic but Rui Hachimura, Keldon Johnson and Brandon Clarke (if he’s more like John Collins than Jordan Bell) and Grant Williams is also an intelligent player that coaches would probably love to work with.

A lot of decent talent there and with the draft stock being muddy after the first 10 or so, someone’s bound to drop.
Louis King is a 3 and D type prospect in Trevor Ariza mold
Brandon Clarke is Bam Adebayo type center

[kobyz]

If you want a 3 and D guy to dribble, you have problems.
I want him at least not to be a stiff, in today league for a guard to be a 3 and D may not enough to make him a two way player...

[Russ]

My fear is other teams pass on Thybulle and Golden State grabs him.

Dang, the last time people were this concerned about GS grabbing a player from the Spurs was the the great Patrick McCaw.

(The Spurs missed out on McCaw and got stuck with Dejounte Murray instead.)

Let's hope that the Spurs don't miss out on a once-in-a-generation talent like Thybulle. :toast

[picnroll]

Dang, the last time people were this concerned about GS grabbing a player from the Spurs was the the great Patrick McCaw.

(The Spurs missed out on McCaw and got stuck with Dejounte Murray instead.)

Let's hope that the Spurs don't miss out on a once-in-a-generation talent like Thybulle. :toast
Guilty as charged. I was higher on McCaw than Murray. That said when was the last time GS picked or added a perimeter player with zero offense like Thyblle. Him playing would totally wreck their offensive scheme.

[exstatic]

Guilty as charged. I was higher on McCaw than Murray. That said when was the last time GS picked or added a perimeter player with zero offense like Thyblle. Him playing would totally wreck their offensive scheme.

He's really not a zero, along the lines of The Almighty Huestis. He showed a clear mid range game in his earlier college years, as well as consistent 3 point shooting. It's like the new coach just shut him out of the offense.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Mock Draft 2019: Latest Predictions Entering Sweet 16
Joe Tansey
March 25, 2019


19. San Antonio Spurs: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, SG, Virginia Tech


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Talen Horton-Tucker, PF, Iowa State

[Drom John]

LonzoWire:
2019 NBA Mock Draft: How high has Ja Morant risen?
By: Jacob Rude | 3 hours ago


19. San Antonio Spurs – Grant Williams, Big, Tennessee

The Spurs landed Jakob Poeltl last off-season but Williams is too good a player to pass at this point. The reigning two-time SEC Player of the Year, Williams is a big-bodied big man who has shown flashes of range, too.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Raptors) – Matisse Thybulle, Wing, Washington

Thybulle is a tremendous defensive wing prospect with great measurements that needs some seasoning offensively. Sound familiar? The Spurs aren’t going to find the next Kawhi Leonard but they are going to find a productive wing player.

[Drom John]

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No. 18 Spurs PF Sekou Doumbouya, Guinea


No. 29 Spurs (via Raptors) SF Matisse Thybulle, Washington

[ZeusWillJudge]

Of course I filtered out the centers, because Thybulle never plays at center. Even filtering out centers left tons of college pfs, like David West etc etc. And none of them at 6-6 or less totalled more career blocks other than the ones I mentioned. Sure, that favors four year players, but the point remains that Thybulle IS someone who could be considered 'generational' or 'historic' etc, at least at the college level

And I don't feel comparing him to Danny Green to point out his shortcomings is such a negative. Whatever his shortcomings, Danny Green has been a plus defender and playoffs/title contending team starter for 8 straight years after 2 years of development after 4 years in college.


You sort of miss the point. Both points.

Steals are one thing, blocks are another. The kind of blocks that 6'5" guys get playing against college opponents won't be so plentiful in the NBA. He will get some blocks at the next level, but it will be a relatively insignificant part of his game. I pointed out that you eliminated the big men because Thybulle isn't a big man. Which is EXACTLY the reason he won't be getting big numbers of blocks at the next level. (I know, I know... Dwayne Wade got a lot of blocks. If Thybulle gets as many, I'll come back and admit I was wrong.)

Danny Green has been an outstanding defender. He has also been a VERY good 3P shooter. That's one more plus than Thybulle has at this point. And you still can't deny that Danny's inability to drive with the ball has been seen as a big negative. If the Spurs bring in a guy who defends like Danny (or even better than Danny), but can't drive to the basket OR shoot the 3? PATFO may still love him, but I guarantee you this place won't.

What the hell... let's talk about steals. Danny has averaged about 75 steals per season. He's only had one season with 100 steals. The list of guys 6'5" or less who have had 110 steals or more in a season is dominated by Chris Paul, James Harden, Dwayne Wade, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, and John Wall. How much attention would any of those guys get, if they had next to no offensive game?

[NickiRasgo]

Sam Vecenie does one for The Athletic (behind a paywall) but will discuss the draft a lot on his podcast and others like the RealGM podcast. I believe last year after the draft he bragged about him being the most accurate out of all the noteworthy ones (SI, ESPN, RINGER, various Stepien contributors, nbadraft, tankathon, etc)

I don't know his current mock as I don't pay for The Athletic

Thanks bro. :cheers

[Ditty]

I would not mind taking two small forwards in this draft in the first round. love Sekou but don’t think we will get him unless we get the 8th spot.

[r0drig0lac]

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[BackHome]

I think Sekou will fall to 17 to 20 range not sure if I want him though.

[objective]

You sort of miss the point. Both points.

Steals are one thing, blocks are another. The kind of blocks that 6'5" guys get playing against college opponents won't be so plentiful in the NBA. He will get some blocks at the next level, but it will be a relatively insignificant part of his game. I pointed out that you eliminated the big men because Thybulle isn't a big man. Which is EXACTLY the reason he won't be getting big numbers of blocks at the next level. (I know, I know... Dwayne Wade got a lot of blocks. If Thybulle gets as many, I'll come back and admit I was wrong.)

Danny Green has been an outstanding defender. He has also been a VERY good 3P shooter. That's one more plus than Thybulle has at this point. And you still can't deny that Danny's inability to drive with the ball has been seen as a big negative. If the Spurs bring in a guy who defends like Danny (or even better than Danny), but can't drive to the basket OR shoot the 3? PATFO may still love him, but I guarantee you this place won't.

What the hell... let's talk about steals. Danny has averaged about 75 steals per season. He's only had one season with 100 steals. The list of guys 6'5" or less who have had 110 steals or more in a season is dominated by Chris Paul, James Harden, Dwayne Wade, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, and John Wall. How much attention would any of those guys get, if they had next to no offensive game?

The blocks show his defensive instincts and anticipation plus his physical gifts to get there and contest. It's about his pluses as a defender. Me pointing out that nobody in a real conference has block totals at his size reflects that. And he doesn't even play inside, that's a big deal.

People harping on Green's driving or lack thereof are making a point out of nothing. Thybulle (or whoever the Spurs take, could be Cam Johnson or anyone) would just be on a rookie scale deal for a pick in the 20s making peanuts and salary controlled for up to five years. If that player couldn't drive but is still a positive contributor then so what?

And that's if he can't drive. Why is everyone so sure Thybulle is some stone footed statue who can't pass or move or do anything but defend?


PATFO may still love him, but I guarantee you this place won't.

I don't factor in whether this place loves a player or not. The number of posters whose opinions I have respect for or take seriously is very small.

[BackHome]

He has better handles then Green would be slightly better then Green on Defense almost Bowen like. But would have to work his ass off with Chip. Can he do it yeah he is a good kid definitely Pop would love coaching him. Depending how the draft falls I could be happy they get him or pissed if they over look better players.

really hoping that Denver and Golden State over take Raptors to get us pick of 27 instead of 29

[NickiRasgo]

Isn't Brandon Clarke like 6'8"? I may be wrong but I see him as an athletic Tyler Hansbrough which is I'm not high on him, well offensively.

[duncan2150]

Isn't Brandon Clarke like 6'8"? I may be wrong but I see him as an athletic Tyler Hansbrough which is I'm not high on him, well offensively.

Yes he is, imo he Will need a reliable jumper to suceed in the nba but he Can give you some D, rebound, blocks.....

[ZeusWillJudge]

The blocks show his defensive instincts and anticipation plus his physical gifts to get there and contest. It's about his pluses as a defender. Me pointing out that nobody in a real conference has block totals at his size reflects that. And he doesn't even play inside, that's a big deal.

People harping on Green's driving or lack thereof are making a point out of nothing. Thybulle (or whoever the Spurs take, could be Cam Johnson or anyone) would just be on a rookie scale deal for a pick in the 20s making peanuts and salary controlled for up to five years. If that player couldn't drive but is still a positive contributor then so what?

And that's if he can't drive. Why is everyone so sure Thybulle is some stone footed statue who can't pass or move or do anything but defend?

I don't factor in whether this place loves a player or not. The number of posters whose opinions I have respect for or take seriously is very small.


Well sheeyit! The Spurs should just bundle up all their picks + Murray, and see if they can still get him at 10.

I've been watching him for two years. Actually watched him play. I was really excited about the possibility of getting him for a second round pick - back when he wasn't on much of anyone's radar. You people read pimped-up "scouting reports" and don't even know that his 3P shot has steadily gone to hell over the last two years.

The Spurs aren't going to spend their best or second-best draft pick in the last 25 years on a guy who maybe can fix a 3P shot that he maybe had for his sophomore year, or maybe can learn do drive to the rim.
I've been saying the same thing since Day 1. If he goes that high, it won't be to SA. If he doesn't go before the Raptors pick, he'd be a nice addition.

[TD 21]

Porter re-tearing the same ACL obviously changes things drastically.

I now think a forward is most likely selection with the initial 1st. Not only do they seemingly comprise the majority of supposedly best available options likely to be available in that range, but they're obviously the most pressing need. Unfortunately, none are real 3 and D combo forward types, but there's very few of those extant.

[objective]

Well sheeyit! The Spurs should just bundle up all their picks + Murray, and see if they can still get him at 10.

I've been watching him for two years. Actually watched him play. I was really excited about the possibility of getting him for a second round pick - back when he wasn't on much of anyone's radar. You people read pimped-up "scouting reports" and don't even know that his 3P shot has steadily gone to hell over the last two years.

The Spurs aren't going to spend their best or second-best draft pick in the last 25 years on a guy who maybe can fix a 3P shot that he maybe had for his sophomore year, or maybe can learn do drive to the rim.
I've been saying the same thing since Day 1. If he goes that high, it won't be to SA. If he doesn't go before the Raptors pick, he'd be a nice addition.

I've watched him play also, probably have 10 games still on my DVR.

[NickiRasgo]

Yes he is, imo he Will need a reliable jumper to suceed in the nba but he Can give you some D, rebound, blocks.....

If that's the case, he seems not that intriguing for 17-20th pick. That's just me. Unless, he moves and have a physical tools like Siakam or Harrel.

[alpha_HaZE]

Where are his minutes coming from?

Murray, White, DeRozan, LMA, Poeltl (probable projected starting lineup, though I have doubts about that lineup)
Mills, Belinelli, Bertans, Gay

Unless Gay plays center, Forbes and Walker probably aren't going to have nearly as many opportunities to get minutes.

You are probably right, as is Bryn has played the third most minutes this season with over 2,000 minutes. It would be interesting to see how the team looks next year.

[kobyz]

I hope we used the two first rounders to shed to contracts of Patty, Belli and Bertans so we clean room for a Max player...

[GusT15]

I hope we used the two first rounders to shed to contracts of Patty, Belli and Bertans so we clean room for a Max player...

And after no max player comes over and we struck out in free agency maybe we can sign Pau Gasol to a 4/80 or something.

[kobyz]

And after no max player comes over and we struck out in free agency maybe we can sign Pau Gasol to a 4/80 or something.

Spurs first on the list of every free agent! That also the only chance if Spurs want to be title contender in pop final years...

[exstatic]

And after no max player comes over and we struck out in free agency maybe we can sign Pau Gasol to a 4/80 or something.

kobyz is brain damaged. Don’t waste your time. I think he’s ducks alt.

[GusT15]

kobyz is brain damaged. Don’t waste your time. I think he’s ducks alt.

:tu

[BackHome]

I knew it!!!:dramaquee

[Drom John]

Fansided: Daily Knicks: New York Knicks: 2019 NBA Mock Draft, Sweet 16 edition
by Rob Wolkenbrod 4 hours ago [AKA 26 March 2019]



18
PJ Washington
F, Kentucky
Kentucky

Age: 20
Height, Weight: 6-foot-8, 228 pounds
Slash Line: .515/.419/.675
Season Averages: 14.8 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 0.9 3PM

The San Antonio Spurs usually draft well. A James Anderson or Livio Jean-Charles arises occasionally, but for every one of them, there are Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, George Hill, Kyle Anderson and Tiago Splitter, all of whom are on the rise or have contributed towards playoff — and NBA Finals — caliber teams. That’s without mentioning the hall of fame home runs.

The Spurs don’t have many needs, but a wing is necessary. PJ Washington is not a typical player for the middle of the lineup since some of his skills trend towards power forward, but he’s 6-foot-8 and owns a wingspan beyond seven feet.

Year-over-year stats have seen improvement from Washington, who took a bigger role as a sophomore at Kentucky. His physical traits came into play as a defender, and the three-point shooting improved.

Washington slots in as depth for head coach Gregg Popovich and a minor insurance policy for Rudy Gay‘s potential departure as a free agent. With the methodical approach to developing rookies, he could start in a year or two down the road.


If the New York Knicks owned a lower first-round pick, Washington would make sense for their defensive-needy team.



29
Fletcher Magee
SG, Wofford
Wofford

Age: 22
Height, Weight: 6-foot-4, 200 pounds
Slash Line: .439/.419/.910
Season Averages: 20.3 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1.6 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.1 BPG, 4.5 3PM

Fletcher Magee burst onto the national scene in the NCAA Tournament, after a standout performance in the opening round. It propelled Wofford to the second round, but their senior sharpshooter missed all 12 of his three-point attempts.

This caused the Terriers’ downfall, but they still impressed as a higher seed, instead of their usual place in the 10-to-16 seed range.

Magee is an interesting NBA prospect. As the League expands behind the arc, knockdown shooters like this are imperative towards a team’s makeup. If anything, they need multiple players of this caliber.

There is no question of Magee’s shooting ability. He’ll spot up for the San Antonio Spurs, who have employed three-point shooters to surround DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge, and hit them at a reasonable rate.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Latest 1st-Round Order, Mock Before Sweet 16
Joe Tansey
March 26, 2019


19. San Antonio Spurs: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, SG, Virginia Tech


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Talen Horton-Tucker, PF, Iowa State

[Drom John]

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NBA Daily: 60-Pick NBA Mock Draft – 3/26/19

With the opening weekend of March Madness in the books and the Sweet Sixteen on deck, Steve Kyler takes another look at the upcoming 2019 class with his latest 60-pick Mock NBA Draft.
Steve Kyler

Published 2 hours ago

on March 26, 2019

By Steve Kyler




20

Jordan Nwora
San Antonio Spurs

LouisvilleSophmore
Age: 21
Height: 6' 8
Position: SF
Weight: 225




29

Jalen McDaniels
San Antonio Spurs

San Diego St.Sophmore
Age: 21
Height: 6' 10
Position: PF
Weight: 195




48

Moses Brown
San Antonio Spurs

UCLA Freshman
Age: 22
Height: 7' 1
Position: C
Weight: 245

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

People are starting to like and talk more about Auburn's Chuma Okeke which sucks for the Spurs chances of getting him lower in the draft. Lol

[BackHome]

The latest mock suck makes me want to puke.

[exstatic]

The latest mock suck makes me want to puke.

Could you be little more vague?

[picnroll]

At this point enough Spurstalk posters are invested one way or another in Thybulle that he’ll have to be a monumental bust to persuade Thybulle lovers to acknowledge he’s bad or a generational star for Thybulle haters to acknowledge he’s good. One thing about many a Spurstalk poster, he clings to his believes regardless of the facts.

[BackHome]

Yep I would not mind him only if we signing Nikola if not then I want Fernando or Goga I think I saw one mock with Fernando being first and Thybulle second first.

[bluebellmaniac]

I wouldn't mind signing Nikola for a chunk of our exception space and drafting for wing help. Nikola and Thybulle would be a good set of additions for next season. Anyone else would seem like insurance/gravy.

[cd021]

I wouldn't mind signing Nikola for a chunk of our exception space and drafting for wing help. Nikola and Thybulle would be a good set of additions for next season. Anyone else would seem like insurance/gravy.

Milutinov wouldn't be worth the MLE tbh; think its why he isn't the team already, he probably wanted at least half of the exception on a 3-year deal, which is an insane overpay for a center who has never paid in the NBA. Probably can find comparable production for the vet min.

Spurs would also need to stash another 1st rounder and I wouldn't be a fan considering how much of a shit show the Milutinov saga is.

[BackHome]

If they don’t bring Nikola I am hoping they use him in a trade up to move up in the draft and grab a SF/PF that could be a starter and then take Fernando or Goga in Raptors pick.

[bluebellmaniac]

So if he never comes over during his prime years, would he be able to force us to sign him to the rookie deal that is guaranteed for 1st round picks, after he is all washed up?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

If they don’t bring Nikola I am hoping they use him in a trade up to move up in the draft and grab a SF/PF that could be a starter and then take Fernando or Goga in Raptors pick.

That would also be a great idea! he has been very productive over seas and he is still pretty young so he might pique some teams trade interest

[spurs50_]

Saw a mock draft that came out yesterday, had Spurs with the 18th pick...Had Spurs picking some string bean named Bol Bol....pass

[smaka]

Saw a mock draft that came out yesterday, had Spurs with the 18th pick...Had Spurs picking some string bean named Bol Bol....pass
He is also probably a few years older than his birth date states. :lol

[BackHome]

No more drafting injured players

[TimmyBuckets]

Who's best wing defender in draft? Yall think Nassir Little will drop to us possibly?

[Drom John]

Yahoo! Sports: 2019 NBA mock draft 1.0: Who's getting picked after Zion Williamson?
[Yahoo Sports]
Spencer Pearlman
Special to Yahoo Sports
Yahoo SportsMar 27, 2019, 12:40 PM


19. San Antonio: F Grant Williams, Tennessee

Williams’ style and IQ match up with the Spurs perfectly. He plays both ends of the court, can pass, shows touch in the paint and shooting potential. But most important, he is a hard worker, a team-first guy, and has a very high basketball IQ. Although he might be a bit undersized, his strength (especially in the lower body) and high release point help alleviate those concerns.


29. San Antonio (via Toronto): F Dylan Windler, Belmont

Windler is a knockdown shooter, great rebounder (and plays a bit stronger than his size at 6-8, 200), good passer, and has a nice IQ. He’s not a great isolation defender, but is solid positionally and schematically, which is just as, if not more, important. The Spurs are last in 3-point attempts per game and sixth to last in makes, and adding Windler could bump those numbers up a bit.

2nd Round
18. San Antonio: F/G Charles Matthews, Michigan

[Drom John]

NBC Sports Washington: 2019 NBA Mock Draft 5.0: How will March Madness impact the draft?
Updated: Sunday, March 24, 2019.



20. San Antonio Spurs: Brandon Clarke

College: Gonzaga
Position: Forward
Height/Weight: 6-8/215
Year: Junior

The hard-nosed Clarke, who turns 23 in September, is one of the prospects in this class likely capable of offering immediate help to a contender. Though not a threat currently from distance, the 6-foot-8 forward is shooting 70 percent from the field while averaging 17 and 8.


Blurb doesn't match pick.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via TOR): Ty Jerome

College: Virginia
Position: Shooting Guard
Height/Weight: 6-5/194
Year: Junior

If there's an international project to be taken in the first round, it's the Spurs that will be doing the picking. Bitadze isn't a great athlete and is more mid-range on offense than a stretch-5 or a true low-post threat. But he has good touch, a geat I.Q. and has size you can't teach.

[exstatic]

So if he never comes over during his prime years, would he be able to force us to sign him to the rookie deal that is guaranteed for 1st round picks, after he is all washed up?

They could renounce him and lose his rights at that point.

[exstatic]

Who's best wing defender in draft? Yall think Nassir Little will drop to us possibly?

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

M A T I S S E T H Y B U L L E

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft Order 2019: Round 1 List of Picks and Latest Mock Draft
Zach Buckley
March 27, 2019


18. San Antonio Spurs: PJ Washington, PF/C, Kentucky


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Ty Jerome, PG, Virginia

[Drom John]

Fansided: NBA: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: March Madness is NBA Draft crazy season
by Brendon Kleen 6 hours ago [AKA 28 March 2019]



28
Ty Jerome
G, Virginia
Virginia

This pick comes via the Raptors and gives the Spurs an eventual Patty Mills replacement as well as some balance alongside their more athletic backcourt starters.



19
Grant Williams
F, Tennessee
Tennessee

Searching for a long-term answer at forward alongside Derrick White and Dejounte Murray, the Spurs find Williams here. The post playmaker would be a hand-in-glove fit.

[Drom John]

Double post

[Drom John]

Fansided: Rip City Project: 2019 NBA Mock Draft 4.0
by Jakob Ashlin 17 hours ago [AKA 27 March 2019]



29
Jalen McDaniels
Power Forward San Diego State
San Antonio Spurs

The San Antonio Spurs will receive this pick from the Toronto Raptors as part of the Kawhi Leonard deal.

Jalen McDaniels has tantalizing two-way potential. At 6′ 10″ with a 7′ wingspan, McDaniels can play any frontcourt position. He has displayed promising defensive instincts and could develop into a very valuable defender.

Offensively, McDaniels is more of a question mark. Last season, he had remarkable efficiency inside the arc connecting on 62.2% of his two-point attempts. That number has dwindled to 49.5% this season, but his attempts have more than doubled. This shouldn’t be too much a concern; McDaniels was only 0.1 points per game away from leading the Aztecs in scoring after coming off the bench in 12 games during the 2017-18 season.

Three-point shooting will be the main concern with McDaniels, but he has raised his percentage to 32% this season which is up from 21.1% in his previous season despite more than tripling his attempts. So, there is a reason to be optimistic.

In fact, the Blazers should definitely consider him with their first-round selection.

The Spurs could use some youth on the wing. Rudy Gay and Dante Cunningham are both veterans that are being counted on to be part of the rotation. McDaniels could be added to an underrated young core in San Antonio that includes Dejounte Murray and Jakob Poeltl.

Last time the Spurs selected a forward from San Diego State, it worked out very well.



18. San Antonio Spurs- PJ Washington (Power Forward, Kentucky)

[Drom John]

Amico Hoops: 2019 Mock Draft: Sixth installment, via lottery simulator
March 28, 2019
Sam Amico


18. San Antonio Spurs: Bruno Fernando, C, Maryland


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto): Luka Samanic, PF, Slovenia

[kobyz]

Who's best wing defender in draft? Yall think Nassir Little will drop to us possibly?

He's not a good defender, he's a lot like RJ as a player... Best wing defender in our range is Okeke...

[Drom John]

Fansided: Sir Charles in Charge: NBA Mock Draft: Jarrett Culver jumps into the top 5; Cam Reddish falls
by Michael Saenz 7 hours ago [AKA 28 March 2019]


18. San Antonio Spurs: Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga

Rui Hachimura is almost the perfect pick for the San Antonio Spurs. He’s the type of player that maybe will never become a superstar in the NBA, but will be ready to contribute – and at a high level – from almost the opening tip.

Hachimura is mature, and has a little of it all in his game. During junior season with the Bulldogs, he’s averaging 20 points, seven rebounds and two assists on 60 percent shooting from the field. He’s also showed a bit of a 3-point shot this season.

Hachimura is a do-it-all big that would make Gregg Popovich a very happy man, should he have the opportunity to select him in the middle of the first round.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto): Daniel Gafford, Arkansas

Over the last few decades, the San Antonio Spurs have made their bank around the success of their big men, from David Robinson to Tim Duncan. Perhaps they can try to relive some of that magic by taking Daniel Gafford at 29.

It’s not fair to make the comparison, but Gafford has the talent to possibly one of the biggest steals taken late in the first round of the draft. During his second season at Arkansas, Gafford averaged 17 points, nine rebounds and two blocks per game on 66 percent shooting from the field.

If there’s still room for bigs in the NBA, there’s stick room for Daniel Gafford.

[bluebellmaniac]

They could renounce him and lose his rights at that point.

+1 Thx

[sasaint]

Fansided: Sir Charles in Charge: NBA Mock Draft: Jarrett Culver jumps into the top 5; Cam Reddish falls
by Michael Saenz 7 hours ago [AKA 28 March 2019]

Hachimura at 18 doesn’t jibe with the eye test or projections I have seen until this one. Can’t believe we could get him there.

[exstatic]

Hachimura at 18 doesn’t jibe with the eye test or projections I have seen until this one. Can’t believe we could get him there.

Somebody always falls. It may be him, or someone else.

[sasaint]

You don’t usually see mocks projecting a player’s falling, though.

[duncan2150]

Hachimura at 18 doesn’t jibe with the eye test or projections I have seen until this one. Can’t believe we could get him there.

There is a lof of incertainty in this draft. From 10 To 20 range, a lot can happen.

[ace3g]

Hachimura would be awesome.

[Blackhaus]

Hachimura would be awesome.

I would package both picks to get up to Hachimure, hell all their picks this yeah. Kid will be a stud.

[TimmyBuckets]

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

M A T I S S E T H Y B U L L E

Caught me lol


He's not a good defender, he's a lot like RJ as a player... Best wing defender in our range is Okeke...

Thanks/

[Mugen]

Not worried about the draft since it's probably the area the old man knows least about and is hands off tbh...

[Chinook]

No more drafting injured players

Why not? I can understand not wanting to draft Michael Porter or something. But if an injury drops a solid lotto-class player down into the 20s, it makes sense to make the move. If Walker remains healthy, then you got a top-10 talent without missing the playoffs. If he doesn't, what did you miss out on? Dude was easily the BPA by that point in the draft. Looking at the selections again, there's no one drafted later that I regret the team not having so far.

[bluebellmaniac]

Why not? I can understand not wanting to draft Michael Porter or something. But if an injury drops a solid lotto-class player down into the 20s, it makes sense to make the move. If Walker remains healthy, then you got a top-10 talent without missing the playoffs. If he doesn't, what did you miss out on? Dude was easily the BPA by that point in the draft. Looking at the selections again, there's no one drafted later that I regret the team not having so far.

Was Walker injured when we drafted him? I was looking around and he hurt his knee in October. Did he have a different injury during the draft? Thx

[ZeusWillJudge]

Hachimura would be awesome.


I agree. There are going to be a few surprises up above. They could push someone like Hachimura just low enough.

Heh. Maybe not Hachimura, but someone like him. :D

[Chinook]

Was Walker injured when we drafted him? I was looking around and he hurt his knee in October. Did he have a different injury during the draft? Thx

He wasn't still injured, but he came in after having suffered a meniscus tear the year before. That's the real reason why his injury in October was such a big deal. It was a reinjury. I can understand not drafting Porter at 20 or whatever because his ACL, but if Hachimura got hurt and fell to the Spurs' pick, I have no idea why anyone would want the team to pass on him.

[duncan2150]

He wasn't still injured, but he came in after having suffered a meniscus tear the year before. That's the real reason why his injury in October was such a big deal. It was a reinjury. I can understand not drafting Porter at 20 or whatever because his ACL, but if Hachimura got hurt and fell to the Spurs' pick, I have no idea why anyone would want the team to pass on him.

i agree. what do you think about bol bol ? from a basketball and injury standpoint .

[BackHome]

Not not no but hell no broken foot on big man are a kiss of death plus we’re all ready issues in his basketball work ethic.

[Dejounte]

We need to do everything we can to get Rui Hachimura. He would be the perfect Spur. Plus, Australia, Japan, Latvian, Italy, Polish

[r0drig0lac]

We need to do everything we can to get Rui Hachimura. He would be the perfect Spur. Plus, Australia, Japan, Latvian, Italy, Polish

will be a top 8 pick, I do not think it's possible to get it

[bluebellmaniac]

We need to do everything we can to get Rui Hachimura. He would be the perfect Spur. Plus, Australia, Japan, Latvian, Italy, Polish

Cap his knee

[acoelho1]

After seeing Okeke in the Tar Heel game, I would still consider drafting him if he comes out. He easily looked liked the best player on the court.

[sasaint]

I agree. There are going to be a few surprises up above. They could push someone like Hachimura just low enough.

Heh. Maybe not Hachimura, but someone like him. :D

So, my dream is Hachimura at 18 and Okeke at 29. Hachimura plays now and Okeke rehabs for a year and joins us the following season. Like getting two lottery picks! Add Tariq Owens at 50.

[TheGreatYacht]

If we can't package both of the picks to move up and draft Culver...

Then I'd want Bol Bol with our pick and either Kevin Porter Jr or Okeke with the Raptors pick.

[bluebellmaniac]

If I recall correctly, Embiid had a foot fracture when Phil drafted him. For big men, that is a horrendous thing to happen to them. Foot fractures are bad omens of things to come. They frequently reoccur. Has science caught up with this issue that they can either forecast if it is a type that can reoccur or to prevent it from reoccurring? A foot fracture in Bol Bol has me worried if he should drop that far.

[cd021]

If they don’t bring Nikola I am hoping they use him in a trade up to move up in the draft and grab a SF/PF that could be a starter and then take Fernando or Goga in Raptors pick.
It's hard to imagine Milutinov having any trade value, he might just be a throw-in on a deal rather than a selling point.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's hard to imagine Milutinov having any trade value, he might just be a throw-in on a deal rather than a selling point.

Agreed. He probably wants a Bogdanovic type deal and while he's a good player I don't think it's the best way to spend the MLE. Back-up big is just about the cheapest position to fill in today's NBA.

On the other hand, literally all of the Spurs bigs will be FAs within a couple of years so they may need some insurance options and if they actually pay and sign him it'd mean they're high on him.

[duncan2150]

Milutinov can’t have any trade value and also want a bogdanovic type deal. That’s not logicial. If he wants that type of deal it’s That some team can Pay him...

imo he will not have a bogdanovic type deal, not a rookie contrat but something between. I also think he has some value, playing well in euroleague in front of some NBA gms gives him some value for sure.

one thing i agree about his value is that actually if We trade him, we will have less than first pick Wich is his value imo.

[cd021]

Milutinov can’t have any trade value and also want a bogdanovic type deal. That’s not logicial. If he wants that type of deal it’s That some team can Pay him...

imo he will not have a bogdanovic type deal, not a rookie contrat but something between. I also think he has some value, playing well in euroleague in front of some NBA gms gives him some value for sure.

one thing i agree about his value is that actually if We trade him, we will have less than first pick Wich is his value imo.

I do think Milutinov could want a big rookie deal and simultaneously not have any trade value. If he wasn't taken with a 1st by the Spurs, would they be attached
to him?

He is a starter on a slightly below average team that is probably paying him well (he's averaging 11.5 ppg and 8 RPG in 26 mpg btw), in order for him to make the jump he wants more money than is reasonably worth for him when there a bunch of vet bigs who could provide decent minutes for cheap next season.

If he were traded to another team, they may pay him but it's about what the Spurs get in return. The initial post I responded to was about whether he could be a piece to use in order to move up to get a higher pick, I'm not sure that he would be much more than a throw into a deal.

Spurs botched it from the start tbh. I think he wanted half the MLE for 3 seasons and the Spurs balked because its silly to pay a center something like 3 years/ 15 million. They have 3 roster open in the offseason, they could stash a pick, sign the other and have 2 open spots to be able to use the MLE to fill. One could still end up going to Milutinov (assuming that they can find common ground on a deal) and the other to another player in the $4-5 million range.


Its still better, imo, to have the full $9 million to go to one player and probably just sign the two picks.

[CGD]

If anyone has shown they could drop this tourney its DeAndre Hunter, not Hachimura. He’s had two underwhelming showing this weekend. If he starts slipping into the 9-12 range I’d be all over a trade up for him.

If there is still Spurs DNA left in ATL, i can actually see them getting both Hachimura and Hunter with their two lotto picks.

[cd021]

Agreed. He probably wants a Bogdanovic type deal and while he's a good player I don't think it's the best way to spend the MLE. Back-up big is just about the cheapest position to fill in today's NBA.

On the other hand, literally all of the Spurs bigs will be FAs within a couple of years so they may need some insurance options and if they actually pay and sign him it'd mean they're high on him.

He is averaging 11.5 ppg and 8 rpg (3.5 off. rpg) while shooting 66% FG in 26 mpg, so it's not like he isn't productive.

The Spurs may not even use the MLE on another player considering they'll already pretty much have a full roster so it's not impossible that they do bring him over and have him on the roster for after next season for when Aldridge and Bertans are UFA and Poetlt is RFA. Hopefully, it's not a complete overpay- something like 3 years $13 million.

Aldridge may end up leaving after next season so keeping Poetlt and Bertans, and already having Milutinov would be decent insurance in regards to filling out the big man rotation.

[Atl Spur]

Spurs may need to get Okeke at 19; won’t last to 29 I’m thinking. Thybulle at 29 would work for me too. Ben Moore may be able to fill that sf spot better than a rookie anyway.

[BackHome]

No one other then Boston is going to draft him before 26 at best with a torn ACL you a taking a gamble and won’t see him for a year. Teams are in win now and making a splash he may have name recognition on this site but is not a house hold name that is going to sale tickets.

[Mr. Body]

No one other then Boston is going to draft him before 26 at best with a torn ACL you a taking a gamble and won’t see him for a year. Teams are in win now and making a splash he may have name recognition on this site but is not a house hold name that is going to sale tickets.

Teams will often go for a guy they think can be very good. It's been a while, but Kenyon Martin still went number one, right?

[duncan2150]

No one other then Boston is going to draft him before 26 at best with a torn ACL you a taking a gamble and won’t see him for a year. Teams are in win now and making a splash he may have name recognition on this site but is not a house hold name that is going to sale tickets.

+1

plus there will be a lot of good and healty players at our range.

[duncan2150]

Teams will often go for a guy they think can be very good. It's been a while, but Kenyon Martin still went number one, right?

If you look at injured players who were drafted in the first round : you will have very good prospects ala embiid, noel or porter With Denver. But all those teams had the situation To Wait.

I’m not sure that will be the case for okeke.

[Mr. Body]

If you look at injured players who were drafted in the first round : you will have very good prospects ala embiid, noel or porter With Denver. But all those teams had the situation To Wait.

I’m not sure that will be the case for okeke.

I feel like someone in the late lottery will grab him, or someone smart like Brooklyn.

[duncan2150]

You could be Right but late lottery seems To be his rank if he is healty. All will depends on teams situations but it’s a little bit risky cause you never know how a player comes back from an ACL.

[Atl Spur]

There are few spots he could go before 29; most draft picks in the lower half of the draft have warts. I’m thinking half of those teams aren’t expecting a starter / major contributor for next year on a competing team.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The game today between Auburn and Kentucky should have been a chance to see two players that have been mentioned as possible Spurs draft targets, but we all know by now that Chuma Okeke went down with an ACL tear near the end of the last game. That left the other player, PJ Washington, alone to showcase his skills. And he had a good game, scoring 28 points and pulling down 13 boards in a losing effort.

My beef with Washington from the beginning is that he's a 6'7" PF. (Or 6'8", depending on who is talking.) He plays a lot of bully ball against college opponents, but I don't think he's going to be able to do that in the NBA. And I don't think he has the skills or athleticism to be an NBA small forward. He really improved his 3P stroke, and this year he shot 41% from distance, which is more than enough. But he's far from a defensive stopper, and his off the ball defense is just not impressive.

Auburn has a PG who is quick, quick named Jared Harper - his nickname is The Cheetah. He's only 5'10" or 5'11" (again, depending on who's talking). But he's smart, and a pretty damn good shooter. Right now he's projected as late second round or undrafted. He's quick enough to get all the way to the rim when he's got a crack of daylight, and I don't think the Spurs have had anyone like that since young Tony Parker. He's shown a lot through this whole tournament. I know the Spurs don't seem to think they have a PG problem, but I do. If he goes undrafted, I would love to see the Spurs give him a look. I think he could be a legit second string point.

[Atl Spur]

Washington doesn’t impress me either!

[rascal]

If you look at injured players who were drafted in the first round : you will have very good prospects ala embiid, noel or porter With Denver. But all those teams had the situation To Wait.

I’m not sure that will be the case for okeke.

Spurs are conservative and won't draft an injured player.

[Ditty]

Sekou is the next Pascal Siakam. I have a feeling he will be the Spurs pick if he's there.

[Degoat]

Sekou is the next Pascal Siakam. I have a feeling he will be the Spurs pick if he's there.

I wouldn’t mind that at all, he’s the kinda player we need but I’ve got a feeling he won’t be there when we pick

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Predictions for Intriguing Prospects Ahead of Final Four
Joe Tansey
April 1, 2019


19. San Antonio Spurs: Bol Bol, C, Oregon


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Cameron Johnson, SF/PF, North Carolina

[Drom John]

Basketball Society: 2019 NBA Mock Draft Version 1.0
By
Basketball Society -
April 1, 2019



18. San Antonio Spurs – Bruno Fernando

Bruno Fernando has proved his worth at Maryland and will only get better. Coach Pop would love to coach Bruno who could fit well at that 5 spot.


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors) – Admiral Schofield

Admiral really is the whole package. He had an amazing career at Tennessee and now a team, like the Spurs, will be able to benefit from his two-way prowess. Coming out with Bruno and Schofield would be one heck of a first round for the Spurs.


48. San Antonio Spurs – Luke Samanic

Great size and an obscenely quick first step given that fact. Not sure if Samanic will fall this far, but the Spurs are always one of those teams to sniff out these underrated international stars.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Predictions for Intriguing Prospects Ahead of Final Four
Joe Tansey


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Cameron Johnson, SF/PF, North Carolina

Cam Johnson at 29 is pretty reasonable. The boy can shoot, and he's got the length. He's not as versatile as Okeke (for instance), but he's an adequate defender in his range.

If he could shoot the 3 as well in the NBA as he did this year at UNC, he would be an instant roster upgrade. I can imagine a Forbes-free world.

[TD 21]

With already probably 6 players on entry level contracts likely to be on next season's roster and 13 spots total likely spoken for (in both cases, I'm including Milutinov), plus the need for a playable big wing in the Cunningham role, I'm beginning to think that, barring the player they covet unexpectedly falling to them, they'll look to consolidate the picks.

Also, no sizable, conceivable 3 and D wing is projected to go in the late teens and this is a rare opportunity to possibly secure a lottery level talent.

With that in mind, if Engelland thinks Little's stroke is fixable (he did shoot 77% from the line), I'm wondering if he'll be the target. He had an underwhelming season and his stock is low, but he also was utilized relatively sparingly (18 mpg) and supposedly has a history of being a late bloomer. At 6'6'' 220, with a 7'1'' wingspan, he's on the smaller side for a "big wing", but is the rare player who more or less has the raw tools.

[BackHome]

The mocks and draft are going to be crazy in players moving up and down besides top three picks everything else is a guessing game more so this year then any other.

[duncan2150]

The mocks and draft are going to be crazy in players moving up and down besides top three picks everything else is a guessing game more so this year then any other.

That's what i think, imo at 18-20 we'll have a lot of choices.

[duncan2150]

With already probably 6 players on entry level contracts likely to be on next season's roster and 13 spots total likely spoken for (in both cases, I'm including Milutinov), plus the need for a playable big wing in the Cunningham role, I'm beginning to think that, barring the player they covet unexpectedly falling to them, they'll look to consolidate the picks.

Also, no sizable, conceivable 3 and D wing is projected to go in the late teens and this is a rare opportunity to possibly secure a lottery level talent.

With that in mind, if Engelland thinks Little's stroke is fixable (he did shoot 77% from the line), I'm wondering if he'll be the target. He had an underwhelming season and his stock is low, but he also was utilized relatively sparingly (18 mpg) and supposedly has a history of being a late bloomer. At 6'6'' 220, with a 7'1'' wingspan, he's on the smaller side for a "big wing", but is the rare player who more or less has the raw tools.

That's my secret hope, little stock is not high and to draft him with our pick. But You probably right we May need to use both pico to get hip. The combine could improve his stock.

[exstatic]

With already probably 6 players on entry level contracts likely to be on next season's roster and 13 spots total likely spoken for (in both cases, I'm including Milutinov), plus the need for a playable big wing in the Cunningham role, I'm beginning to think that, barring the player they covet unexpectedly falling to them, they'll look to consolidate the picks.

Also, no sizable, conceivable 3 and D wing is projected to go in the late teens and this is a rare opportunity to possibly secure a lottery level talent.

With that in mind, if Engelland thinks Little's stroke is fixable (he did shoot 77% from the line), I'm wondering if he'll be the target. He had an underwhelming season and his stock is low, but he also was utilized relatively sparingly (18 mpg) and supposedly has a history of being a late bloomer. At 6'6'' 220, with a 7'1'' wingspan, he's on the smaller side for a "big wing", but is the rare player who more or less has the raw tools.

I wouldn't include Milunitov, and would only write Metu's name in pencil. He hasn't shown ANYTHING. His g-league numbers are even pedestrian. At $800K, he'd be a cheap cut.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't include Milunitov, and would only write Metu's name in pencil. He hasn't shown ANYTHING. His g-league numbers are even pedestrian. At $800K, he'd be a cheap cut.

There's good reason to think they'll look to sign him: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249903&page=14

Even if they don't or are unsuccessful, unless they select a plug and play option to serve as the third big (which is probably unlikely), they'll need to sign one anyway, in which case the number is still effectively 13, with 6 entry level contracts.

Metu getting waived is a possibility, but considering they went 9 years between immediately signing their 2nd rounder (and the last one was really a 1st rounder, who fell because of health concerns), it's probably unlikely they cut bait after a year, with another guaranteed season remaining.

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I wouldn't include Milunitov, and would only write Metu's name in pencil. He hasn't shown ANYTHING. His g-league numbers are even pedestrian. At $800K, he'd be a cheap cut.


There's good reason to think they'll look to sign him: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249903&page=14

Even if they don't or are unsuccessful, unless they select a plug and play option to serve as the third big (which is probably unlikely), they'll need to sign one anyway, in which case the number is still effectively 13, with 6 entry level contracts.

Metu getting waived is a possibility, but considering they went 9 years between immediately signing their 2nd rounder (and the last one was really a 1st rounder, who fell because of health concerns), it's probably unlikely they cut bait after a year, with another guaranteed season remaining.



I still think they botched the Milutinov decision but I am more open to the Spurs bringing him over, even if they have to use to half the MLE to get him over. He fills a need if Poeltl and Aldridge are still starting together, it would be nice to have a capable 3rd center for spot minutes or in the event of injury.

He has been very productive overseas ( 11.5 ppg, 3.5 off. rpgm 8 rpg, in 26 mpg while shooting 66% FG) a 3 year deal worth something like $13-14 million may not end up being a bad deal considering he is likely good enough to be a decent rotation player next season and continue to grow into that role going forward (he doesn't turn 26 until late December, still fairly young for a center).

I think Metu gets 1 more year, or at least a summer league, training camp and preseason to see if he can show something. Spurs clearly liked him, they scouted him for 2 years and then signed him outright to an NBA contract. Think they'll likely stash one of the two picks-maybe consolidate them into one, add Milutinov and go into the season with 14 players.

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I still think they botched the Milutinov decision but I am more open to the Spurs bringing him over, even if they have to use to half the MLE to get him over. He fills a need if Poeltl and Aldridge are still starting together, it would be nice to have a capable 3rd center for spot minutes or in the event of injury.


He has been very productive overseas ( 11.5 ppg, 3.5 off. rpgm 8 rpg, in 26 mpg while shooting 66% FG) a 3 year deal worth something like $13-14 million may not end up being a bad deal considering he is likely good enough to be a decent rotation player next season and continue to grow into that role going forward (he doesn't turn 26 until late December, still fairly young for a center).

I think Metu gets 1 more year, or at least a summer league, training camp and preseason to see if he can show something. Spurs clearly liked him, they scouted him for 2 years and then signed him outright to an NBA contract. Think they'll likely stash one of the two picks-maybe consolidate them into one, add Milutinov and go into the season with 14 players.

As I alluded to in the thread I provided a link to, paying Milutinov a portion of the MLE isn't a concern at this point because they're unlikely to need it in full to spend on a wing. There's no room in the rotation for an Ariza, Carroll type and I don't see them trading Forbes with the intent to replace him with an aging, breaking down type, who provides less dynamic shooting/off the dribble ability and can't offer much more resistance defensively against big wings than White.

If Forbes gets traded, I expect it to be as part of a package to either move up in the draft or for a young veteran.

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There's good reason to think they'll look to sign him: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249903&page=14

Even if they don't or are unsuccessful, unless they select a plug and play option to serve as the third big (which is probably unlikely), they'll need to sign one anyway, in which case the number is still effectively 13, with 6 entry level contracts.

Metu getting waived is a possibility, but considering they went 9 years between immediately signing their 2nd rounder (and the last one was really a 1st rounder, who fell because of health concerns), it's probably unlikely they cut bait after a year, with another guaranteed season remaining.



'Big' is a relative term in today's NBA. I don't think you need, or can even use three true centers. They'll probably roll with what they have: LMA, Poodle, Gay, Bertans as their rotation bigs, maybe draft another combo forward.

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'Big' is a relative term in today's NBA. I don't think you need, or can even use three true centers. They'll probably roll with what they have: LMA, Poodle, Gay, Bertans as their rotation bigs, maybe draft another combo forward.

You still need 3 playable bodies at center. No chance they go into next season without filling this need.

[cd021]

As I alluded to in the thread I provided a link to, paying Milutinov a portion of the MLE isn't a concern at this point because they're unlikely to need it in full to spend on a wing. There's no room in the rotation for an Ariza, Carroll type and I don't see them trading Forbes with the intent to replace him with an aging, breaking down type, who provides less dynamic shooting/off the dribble ability and can't offer much more resistance defensively against big wings than White.

If Forbes gets traded, I expect it to be as part of a package to either move up in the draft or for a young veteran.



I was hesitant about PATFO using part of the MLE but I agree that they are unlikely to sign anyone that would be a rotation player given how already crowded the
rotation may end up being, already, Milutinov makes sense as the 3rd center and fills a role, even if he doesn't play more than spot minutes next season, with Poeltl and Aldridge playing next to each other.

I have said many times that I would like PATFO to try and package Forbes and the 19th to try and move up. I am unsure of how much Forbes will end up playing next season anyway, so that seems like a smart decision.

[cd021]

'Big' is a relative term in today's NBA. I don't think you need, or can even use three true centers. They'll probably roll with what they have: LMA, Poodle, Gay, Bertans as their rotation bigs, maybe draft another combo forward.

The Spurs could've used a good 3rd center last season but they had Joff. Having a solid 3rd big is useful, especially if Poeltl and Aldridge are starting together- even if Poeltl still plays with the bench units.

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LMA is getting old he is going to start the sitting back to back games like Timmy did also how confident are you able to re sign Poodle?

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No one other then Boston is going to draft him before 26 at best with a torn ACL you a taking a gamble and won’t see him for a year. Teams are in win now and making a splash he may have name recognition on this site but is not a house hold name that is going to sale tickets.

OG anunoby got drafted at 23 with a torn ACL in a better draft than this one.

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This draft is really weak and still four teams playing in the final some of those players will move up from second to first and late first to mid. Again I him as I was the first to mention him but he he was looking before ACL tear was around 20 to 25 at best.

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He won’t make it to 29...........book it!