Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

[Russ]

Don't fall in love with athleticism, in a vacuum. If they can't play fundamental basketball, and a lot of these kids really can't, you can't teach them in a time frame where it pays off for your team (Tobias Harris). If they can, they'll be out of our reach.

So you don't like Keldon Johnson for the Spurs cuz he's just an athlete?

And yet you do like Thybulle?

[pad300]

He doesn't grade out well, using traditional C metrics. He was asked to do things that were not in his strength area, like initiate offense, which dinged his shooting %s. A LOT of his baskets and attempts were un-assisted.

HUGE upside, though. He could be a + on both sides of the ball. He could also stiff, and most teams are afraid to do that with a first rounder.

Yeah, but there is a lot of space between 29 and 50. Teams get much less conservative with 2nd round picks; they go looking for upside.

[exstatic]

Yeah, but there is a lot of space between 29 and 50. Teams get much less conservative with 2nd round picks; they go looking for upside.

True. Right now The Stepien sees him mostly as a second round prospect.

[Drom John]

nbadraft.net: 2019 Extended Mock Draft 2.0
By Aran_Smith
Tue, 04/30/2019 - 3:01pm


19.
Charles Bassey 6-10 245 C Western Kentucky Fr. Bassey had a bit of a slow start to the season but improved as the season rolled along. While not the most fluid of big men, he possesses a strong frame and excellent explosiveness. He showed ability as a shot blocker, rim protector and rebounder and is a focused, competitive and high character kid. He excels when challenged but has shown a tendency to play down to the level of his competition at times, which begs the question of why he and his group chose Western Kentucky. He was among the highest rated prospects in his class throughout high school and figures to be a big sleeper if he falls this far.

Why the Spurs take Charles Bassey: Bassey figures to offer some help to a team right away. He still has some rough edges, but could end up a steal in the late teens, especially if he were to land in a great organization such as the Spurs.

NBA Comparison: Gorgui Dieng


29.
Matisse Thybulle 6-6 200 SG/SF Wshington Sr. Thybulle's supreme length and attention on that end, makes him one of the top defenders in the entire draft. He struggled on the offensive end for much of his career at Washington. But his three point shot finally started to click, giving him excellent 3-D upside. With a 7+ foot wingspan, Matisse has elite defensive potential.

Why the Spurs take Matisse Thybulle: After taking Bassey at 19, the Spurs grab a defensive specialist in Thybulle. Thybulle could potentially give them what Rudy Gay gives them but at a cheaper price during his rookie contract. The Spurs continue to find excellent value in the bottom half of the first round, and this year should be no different.

NBA Comparison: Andre Roberson

[Drom John]

The Big Lead: NBA Mock Draft: Duke Stars And a Big Surprise in the Top Five
By: Kyle Koster | 3 hours ago [AKA 1 May 2019]


#19 San Antonio Spurs

Keldon Johnson, KENTUCKY: Gregg Popovich always has his own way of doing things, and predicting it is tough. Johnson is 6-foot-6 and shot 38 percent from behind the arc. He’ll have to improve defensively but, then again, so will a lot of these rookies.


#29 San Antonio Spurs

Bruno Fernando, MARYLAND: This guy has a fantastic attitude and an imposing body. He provides something a little different than the existing Spurs big men, and this team loves to have diversity of lineups.

[Drom John]

The Game Haus: 2019 NBA Mock Draft May 1
by Joe DiTullio May 1, 2019


19. San Antonio Spurs- Goga Bitadze, C, Republic of Georgia

Bitadze is a physical player who can be a force if given the opportunity.


29. San Antonio Spurs- Cameron Johnson, F, UNC

The Spurs need to hit on one of their first-round picks if they want to get back to competing for championships. Johnson has great size and shooting ability, but lacks great foot speed.

[Eaglenole2002]

I’m intrigued by Nebraska’s Isaiah Roby at 29 or later. He seems to be a modern 4 with an improving jumper. He’s capable of defending the 4 and switching on pick n rolls. In a pinch he could be a rim running 5. He didn’t develop as expected, and I think a lot of that is he prefers to blend in. I’m a Nebraska grad and I couldn’t tell you how many times I heard people around the program say “He has no idea how good he can be.”

At a place like SA with guards like Murray and White, I think we can untap his potential.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Mock Draft 2019: 1st Round Projections and Top Sleeper Prospects
Zach Buckley
May 1, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Rui Hachimura, PF, Gonzaga


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Dylan Windler, SF, Belmont

[exstatic]

So you don't like Keldon Johnson for the Spurs cuz he's just an athlete?

And yet you do like Thybulle?

I don't dislike athletic players. I do dislike players who's game, primarily offense, is predicated and based on that, with very few fundamentals to lean on. That doesn't usually translate upward from level to level of basketball. They take too long to bring value to their drafting team, if they ever do.

Thybulle is a strange case. He's a generational defender, otherworldly, so much so that he only needs an average spot up 3 on offense to bring value to his drafting team. There are indications that he will have that, and if he does, he brings value to his team on his rookie deal. You might want to check out the article below. It's a methodology for small market teams to keep their heads above water.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/04/10/nba-notes-surplus-value/

Another article on latent value within the draft.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/29/draft-notes-latent-value-respect-draft/

Another good article.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/22/draft-notes-nic-claxton-first-evaluation-can-matter/

Another one.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/17/draft-notes-drafting-median-outcome-mostly-silly/

If you're just going out to the major sports websites and reading their mocks, you're being taken in by the hype/publicity machine, especially in a draft as thin as this one is. TS is a great website for cutting through the crap. They tell you why a player may, or may not add value. They rank players much higher or much lower than other sites, but they'll tell you why.

TS actually has Keldon as a late first value, at #28. I looked up his shooting numbers, 2G% 3G% and FT%, and they were good. The question they must have is his defensive potential. Otherwise, he'd be ranked much higher with those shooting numbers.

[SpurPadre]

I would like to get Bol with our 19th pick but if not, as long as we get Thybulle, that would make it a successful draft. He's not a "sexy pick" by any stretch of the imagination but his defense is legit and he has great wingspan. We were amongst the worst teams in steals this year and to add Murray and Thybulle out there with active hands and length will make passing lanes tighter for opposing teams. We need to get this guy!

[smaka]

Oh for fucks sake. Thanks very much for posting, Smaka - it's good to get a little info about who the team is considering. But I really, really hope they aren't considering using one of this year's picks on Samanic.

After I read this, I went and dug up an article on him in case some others here are interested. Pay close attention to the first paragraph. The consensus top international prospect in this draft is probably Doumbouya, and I'm really negative on him being able to contribute much in his first year in the NBA - maybe his first two years. Samanic is seen as being way behind Doumbouya, and his big problem all along has been inconsistency. Inconsistency at that level, which means that he's got no real chance at surviving in the NBA as he currently is.

The other thing to remember is that Doncic was seen as the best international last year - but he went with the 3 Pick, so it was no secret how good he was. The year before that, the guy viewed as the best international prospect was Frank Ntilikina - and he is seriously one of the worst players in the league to be getting any meaningful minutes. That "Best International Prospect" designation doesn't mean shit. If the guy is really good, everyone knows it. If he's iffy, there's a reason for it. Samanic is beyond iffy. This article is pretty good about explaining why.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/11/16/ever-volatile-draft-stock-luka-samanic/

Yeah, RC being at the club's game twice in a couple of months is probably not a coincidence. First time I saw him was against Mega Bemax, club Goga Bitadze played for at that time. Idk, I've had this feeling that Spurs might be seriously considering one of them. Btw, the club Samanic plays for right now is the same club Danny Green played for in lockout around 2010, and the same club Aron Baynes arrived from a couple of years ago.

About Samanic... He is ridiculously inconsistent. Yesterday's game (17p 11r) was the first good one after a long time, probably after 2+ months. It was probably also due to motivation, he must've known RC was there (there were also 2 other guys with him, Spurs scouts or something, I'm not sure, plus two other (I suppose) NBA scouts). He just often plays like he simply doesn't care. Starts games, tries to force it in first couple of posessions, doesn't go, and loses interest for a whole game. Here are his stats from Slovenian league, if anyone is interested: http://www.kzs.si/incl?id=968&season_id=104785&league_id=undefined&player_id=4946637 Keep in mind that the league is really bad. Imo, if he was anywhere close the NBA, he would have to double all the averages he has here. But he simply, except for a couple of games, doesn't even stand out here.

I'm not really sure why he and his agent force it so much that he wants to go overseas next year. Waiting another year or two in Europe would do him really really good. The problem I see with him is that he doesn't have a real basketball niche - some part of the game where you could say damn, he is much better in this or that than other draft prospects. He is athletic (there was some video of him dunking a step from the ft line in training) but not as athletic as some other. He can shoot the ball well (yesterday 3s - 3/3), but it usually depends if he is hot and in the rhytm. He needs to gain muscle to bully under basket with other NBA players. He also lacks good post game. In short - he is still very raw. I think once he improves, he could be useful stretch 4 in modern NBA. He is quick and agile for his size, you gotta give him that. I'm just worried about his inconsistency. If, at 19 years old, you are not going out every game like you want to prove yourself, I'm not sure... What happens in a rough NBA world? It can easily break you.

If Spurs are indeed thinking about him, I hope 2 things happen: they pick him in 2nd round and he is stashed for another year or two.

[Russ]

TS actually has Keldon as a late first value, at #28. I looked up his shooting numbers, 2G% 3G% and FT%, and they were good. The question they must have is his defensive potential. Otherwise, he'd be ranked much higher with those shooting numbers.

More mocks than not have Keldon going well before #19. If he fell to 19 or 29 he'd be a good possibility for the Spurs -- virtually all observers seem to think that he plays hard. That counts for a lot, too.

I would take him way before Thybulle.

[duncan2150]

More mocks than not have Keldon going well before #19. If he fell to 19 or 29 he'd be a good possibility for the Spurs -- virtually all observers seem to think that he plays hard. That counts for a lot, too.

I would take him way before Thybulle.

Agree Johnson is projected as a mid First round pick by most mocks , not a late pick. He would be interesting if there at 19 and has more upside than thybulle. I would not consider thybulle at 19 actually.

One other Player i like if he slides a Little bit is nickel Alexander but he is more a sg.

[BatManu20]

Samanic highlights.



https://youtu.be/NhiXQrpypfw

[RC_Drunkford]

Samanic is a good player. He's 6-11, very mobile and quick, has solid athleticism, knows how to shoot, has post moves and is a good passer. At 19 years of age his only weakness is his frame. All this guy basically needs to do is add muscle and then get more physical. Would be the perfect big for the modern NBA. If he falls to the 2nd round I'd like for the Spurs to buy a 2nd rounder and draft him. He should play in Europe for 2-3 more years though

[exstatic]

Samanic is a good player. He's 6-11, very mobile and quick, has solid athleticism, knows how to shoot, has post moves and is a good passer. At 19 years of age his only weakness is his frame. All this guy basically needs to do is add muscle and then get more physical. Would be the perfect big for the modern NBA. If he falls to the 2nd round I'd like for the Spurs to buy a 2nd rounder and draft him. He should play in Europe for 2-3 more years though

The problem with that is that he and his agent want the NBA next season, and they can force the issue, since I believe his contract is up.

[RC_Drunkford]

The problem with that is that he and his agent want the NBA next season, and they can force the issue, since I believe his contract is up.

yeah that's just stupid. Staying in Europe is better than playing in the G-League. He's nowhere near NBA ready

[Weaselfish]

Almost every shot inside the 3 he took looks forced. Maybe for our second rounder if we get lucky with our first 2 (aka we end up with a mix of dombuya/kz/hachimura and kabengele/Fernando/bassey). Our biggest needs to be are defence in the wing,and a defensive big who can stretch the floor, and those would at least help. I think we'll anything be sneaky active in free agency as we can actually open up a bunch of cap space if we can use beli and or davis to help us get rid of the mills contract. It'll only be worth it if we use that space for a Tobias Harris type (or my secret pet cat cousins.......i know I'm terrible).

[duncan2150]

The problem with that is that he and his agent want the NBA next season, and they can force the issue, since I believe his contract is up.

I remember the spurs wanting french Player mam jaiteh, but he did not want to stay in Europe So they took mulitinov.
If samanic and his agent wants the nba next year and spurs wants a stash, they Will just not take him like jaiteh.

[smaka]

The problem with that is that he and his agent want the NBA next season, and they can force the issue, since I believe his contract is up.

No, his contract isn't over after the season. Still has a couple of years left.

[exstatic]

No, his contract isn't over after the season. Still has a couple of years left.

He just have some kind of an out, then. He can't even think he will be drafted high enough to buy it out.

[smaka]

He just have some kind of an out, then. He can't even think he will be drafted high enough to buy it out.

I can assure you that he has the type of contract that the team will profit if he goes to the NBA while he is under contract. Trust me. He can't just go without paying some money.

[exstatic]

I can assure you that he has the type of contract that the team will profit if he goes to the NBA while he is under contract. Trust me. He can't just go without paying some money.

Right, but as a late first or second round pick, he won't make enough to cover his buyout, so he'll have to stay in Europe, most likely. Most of the European contracts that I've heard of have a high payoff for someone that young. If he gets drafted with our #29 pick, he'll be paid just a bit over $1M for his first year. That might not even cover the buyout. He'd have to stay in Europe.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yeah, RC being at the club's game twice in a couple of months is probably not a coincidence. First time I saw him was against Mega Bemax, club Goga Bitadze played for at that time. Idk, I've had this feeling that Spurs might be seriously considering one of them. Btw, the club Samanic plays for right now is the same club Danny Green played for in lockout around 2010, and the same club Aron Baynes arrived from a couple of years ago.

About Samanic... He is ridiculously inconsistent. Yesterday's game (17p 11r) was the first good one after a long time, probably after 2+ months. It was probably also due to motivation, he must've known RC was there (there were also 2 other guys with him, Spurs scouts or something, I'm not sure, plus two other (I suppose) NBA scouts). He just often plays like he simply doesn't care. Starts games, tries to force it in first couple of posessions, doesn't go, and loses interest for a whole game. Here are his stats from Slovenian league, if anyone is interested: http://www.kzs.si/incl?id=968&season_id=104785&league_id=undefined&player_id=4946637 Keep in mind that the league is really bad. Imo, if he was anywhere close the NBA, he would have to double all the averages he has here. But he simply, except for a couple of games, doesn't even stand out here.

I'm not really sure why he and his agent force it so much that he wants to go overseas next year. Waiting another year or two in Europe would do him really really good. The problem I see with him is that he doesn't have a real basketball niche - some part of the game where you could say damn, he is much better in this or that than other draft prospects. He is athletic (there was some video of him dunking a step from the ft line in training) but not as athletic as some other. He can shoot the ball well (yesterday 3s - 3/3), but it usually depends if he is hot and in the rhytm. He needs to gain muscle to bully under basket with other NBA players. He also lacks good post game. In short - he is still very raw. I think once he improves, he could be useful stretch 4 in modern NBA. He is quick and agile for his size, you gotta give him that. I'm just worried about his inconsistency. If, at 19 years old, you are not going out every game like you want to prove yourself, I'm not sure... What happens in a rough NBA world? It can easily break you.

If Spurs are indeed thinking about him, I hope 2 things happen: they pick him in 2nd round and he is stashed for another year or two.


That's just a ridiculously good write up. Especially since I know you know what you're talking about. Thanks for taking the time.

[Chinook]

There's no upside to staying in Europe outside of saving the NBA team money/roster spots.

[Degoat]

I don’t have a problem going with a euro player but if Pop only has a short time left coaching the spurs, id like the two players that we select with are 2 first round picks to be on the team this upcoming season even if they spend most of their time in the g league

[exstatic]

There's no upside to staying in Europe outside of saving the NBA team money/roster spots.

For a player that green and that young? Sure there is. Not much different than a one and done who doesn’t quite make the grade, and goes back to school.

[Chinook]

For a player that green and that young? Sure there is. Not much different than a one and done who doesn’t quite make the grade, and goes back to school.

Nope. Very different. First, staying in school is bad unless you weren't going to be drafted at all, and getting drafted and staying overseas means one team still has your rights.

[RC_Drunkford]

I really want them to draft Hachimura. Averaging 20 points per game in his 3rd college year, I think his game can translate well to the NBA and he could be able to play minutes in his rookie year

[BackHome]

I think our first pick will be either Rui, Goga, or Louis King

[DPG21920]

I feel like Rui will go top 15, maybe top 10.

[Kurgan]

There's no upside to staying in Europe outside of saving the NBA team money/roster spots.

This is true. Splitter and Bertans were stashed in Europe and it didn't do them any good. They both still had to waste their rookie year in D-League while acclimating to the NBA despite being experienced Euros.

[objective]

I think our first pick will be either Rui, Goga, or Louis King

King is pretty interesting

Tore his meniscus January of his senior year in high school, probably still recovering during early part of freshman year. Depressed asset like Walker was with his injury to start his college career.

Looks kind of like a skinny James Anderson

EDIT : corrected that he had a meniscus injury not ACL like I had thought

[Immortal Spur]

I want Goga or Rui for 19.

[smaka]

Right, but as a late first or second round pick, he won't make enough to cover his buyout, so he'll have to stay in Europe, most likely. Most of the European contracts that I've heard of have a high payoff for someone that young. If he gets drafted with our #29 pick, he'll be paid just a bit over $1M for his first year. That might not even cover the buyout. He'd have to stay in Europe.


I don't know how much is the buyout of his contract, so what I'm about to write is just my speculation: the team he plays for could not offer him as much money as many Euro clubs easily could, neither could the team offer the highest level of competition (no Eurocup or Euroleague). What the team could offer him is a lot of playtime, and, maybe (here my speculation starts!) he could have negotiated a lower NBA buyout than he could with teams that could offer him more money and Euroleague/cup.
That's my wild guess because many were surprised how a team like that could afford bringing a talent like Samanic.



That's just a ridiculously good write up. Especially since I know you know what you're talking about. Thanks for taking the time.

Thanks man :tu I'm happy to share info since I've watched him basically every single game this season.

[exstatic]

Nope. Very different. First, staying in school is bad unless you weren't going to be drafted at all, and getting drafted and staying overseas means one team still has your rights.

You missed my point. I wasn’t suggesting that he stay in the draft, and let a team select him. He’s so raw and unprepared that he should just withdraw, and try again next year.

[kobyz]

I really doubt Claxton would be there. You want him, start thinking about using 29. He might well be a good pick there, some really nice skills for his age & size.

I would not touch him with a first, to erratic with weak body, reminds me Christian Wood

[Chinook]

You missed my point. I wasn’t suggesting that he stay in the draft, and let a team select him. He’s so raw and unprepared that he should just withdraw, and try again next year.

The buyout thing is likely not an issue. The Spurs can pay $700k this year without affecting either the player's take-home or the salary cap. No idea if that's enough, but it usually is. Most Euro teams that sign these prospects do so knowing they will try to go the NBA and rather than using the buyout to stop them, they just want to make as much money off the move as possible. Cases like Rubio where both the player and the NBA team want the player to come over but the Euro team prevents it are extremely rare.

With that in mind, no, it's not better to stay in Europe. I think the initial discussion about him staying was as a stash rather than you saying it as him just withdrawing. In that regard, it's all about what promise he gets. If no one gives him a promise that makes sense, then trying again next year makes sense. But it doesn't pay to forego and earning year in the NBA hoping to have a higher launching point. Even as a second-rounder, take the one-year deal, develop in the d-league, and instantly start making more than rookie-scale your second year.

[exstatic]

The buyout thing is likely not an issue. The Spurs can pay $700k this year without affecting either the player's take-home or the salary cap. No idea if that's enough, but it usually is. Most Euro teams that sign these prospects do so knowing they will try to go the NBA and rather than using the buyout to stop them, they just want to make as much money off the move as possible. Cases like Rubio where both the player and the NBA team want the player to come over but the Euro team prevents it are extremely rare.

With that in mind, no, it's not better to stay in Europe. I think the initial discussion about him staying was as a stash rather than you saying it as him just withdrawing. In that regard, it's all about what promise he gets. If no one gives him a promise that makes sense, then trying again next year makes sense. But it doesn't pay to forego and earning year in the NBA hoping to have a higher launching point. Even as a second-rounder, take the one-year deal, develop in the d-league, and instantly start making more than rookie-scale your second year.

Scola.

No team will offer a one year deal to a second rounder. You don't even get early Bird rights with that, and there's no point in putting in any development work for such a short deal. The team only has to offer a contract under the CBA. Nothing says that the parties have to agree on the length or guarantees. If he's that green, he'll likely be offered a 2 year, 1st guaranteed minimum deal. He can sign it or stay in Europe.

[Blackhaus]

Trade both our firsts to move up and get Rui, he will be a stud and is ready to contribute. Reports are he already got over himself so he’s got spurs material written all over him.

[Chinook]

Scola.

That was multiple CBAs ago before the buyout market between NBA and Euro teams was standardized.


No team will offer a one year deal to a second rounder. You don't even get early Bird rights with that, and there's no point in putting in any development work for such a short deal. The team only has to offer a contract under the CBA. Nothing says that the parties have to agree on the length or guarantees. If he's that green, he'll likely be offered a 2 year, 1st guaranteed minimum deal. He can sign it or stay in Europe.

This isn't the way the CBA works. Teams HAVE to offer a one-year deal in addition to any other deal. Metu was offered a one-year deal in addition to his three-year deal. It's essentially the draft-pick version of a QO. The only saving grace to your argument is that an NBA team does NOT have to contribute to a buyout, so the team could offer to only do so if the player signed a multi-year deal. For some players it might not be feasible to make the jump without that help, and some front offices might just be terrible enough to play that type of hard ball. Even so, there is little downside to a player signing a two-year deal like that rather than saying in Europe. Even a second-year min in the NBA is decent money. Only guys who would reject it are those like Milutinov who already make more where they are, but then again, those players wouldn't be offered lesser deals anyway.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ASKING rookies to get over themselves, when they barely get minutes in the first 2 years here, unless injuries happen to the main players on the roster

then again shouldnt it be the other way around, when is coach going to get over himself?

[look_at_g_shred]

ASKING rookies to get over themselves, when they barely get minutes in the first 2 years here, unless injuries happen to the main players on the roster

then again shouldnt it be the other way around, when is coach going to get over himself?
Yea he acts like this team is fighting for a championship and the window is closing. It was diff when we had the big 3 for rookies to stay at the end of the bench. It's time for our rooks to see the floor and get actual minutes. There's nothing bad that can come out of getting real NBA experience. The times are changing. If pop truly coming back to set the franchise up for success, then developing young talent for the future is the best option.

[RC_Drunkford]

ASKING rookies to get over themselves, when they barely get minutes in the first 2 years here, unless injuries happen to the main players on the roster

then again shouldnt it be the other way around, when is coach going to get over himself?

Pop is a dictator. Part of the "getting over yourself" process is not giving young players minutes and sending them to the G-League. It's his way of humbling them. Remember how Murray became a starter? Cause Parker went to Pop and told him to start Dejounte. Not cause Pop thought Parker fell off a cliff and wanted to start Dejounte. Pop loves washed up veterans and will always play them over young talent

[Drom John]

Fansided: NBA: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: When simulating the lottery gets wonky
by Brendon Kleen 7 hours ago [AKA 2 May 2019]



29
Daniel Gafford
C, Arkansas
Arkansas

The Spurs find another mobile, defensive-minded center to pair with Jakob Poeltl and the rest of their young core going forward.



19
Rui Hachimura
F, Gonzaga
Gonzaga

The heir apparent to Rudy Gay and DeMar DeRozan falls into San Antonio’s lap.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft: NBA Draft 2019: 1st-Round Mock Draft, Landing Spots for Coveted Prospects
Maurice Bobb
May 2, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Grant Williams, PF, Tennesse


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): Luguentz Dort, SG, Arizona State

[Drom John]

SB Nation: 2019 Pacific Takes NBA mock draft 5/2/19: Oregon’s Bol Bol first Pac-12 player off the board
No Pac-12 players go in the first half of the first round.
By Jack Follman May 2, 2019, 6:16am PDT


19 San Antonio - PJ Washington PF Kentucky


29 San Antonio - Naz Reid C LSU

[wildbill2u]

Forget about the skills for a draftee---there are some really really great names out there. It would be great to see a Spurs unit on the court named, Rui Goga Pol Pol and Hachimura and Hanga.

[Dex]

My prediction: this thread gets to about 80 pages and the Spurs draft some guy we've never heard of before.

[exstatic]

My prediction: this thread gets to about 80 pages and the Spurs draft some guy we've never heard of before.

Worked out with Derrick White.

[bluebellmaniac]

Worked out with Derrick White.

It be like that every year.

[cd021]

Kinda liking what i've seen from PJ Washington. Athletic, long (7'3 wingspan), but undersized (6'8) PF. Could develop into a nice stretch 4 who can finish above the rim, rebound, and looks like he could be a good defender. Also looks like he can attack closeouts - pump fake, couple of dribbles and finish at the rim.

[look_at_g_shred]

Kinda liking what i've seen from PJ Washington. Athletic, long (7'3 wingspan), but undersized (6'8) PF. Could develop into a nice stretch 4 who can finish above the rim, rebound, and looks like he could be a good defender. Also looks like he can attack closeouts - pump fake, couple of dribbles and finish at the rim.
I want Rui or Pj at 19

[Blackhaus]

I can’t believe Rui will be there at 19, he has to really be a bad interview to fall that far in the draft

[DPG21920]

I can’t believe Rui will be there at 19, he has to really be a bad interview to fall that far in the draft

I agree - I dont think Rui is some generational talent, but I do think he will go higher than 19. IF the Spurs really did like him as the younger/more athletic Rudy Gay then they will have to move up to get him.

If he falls to 19, flaws and all, I think that is a tremendous coup for 19.

[pad300]

I agree - I dont think Rui is some generational talent, but I do think he will go higher than 19. IF the Spurs really did like him as the younger/more athletic Rudy Gay then they will have to move up to get him.

If he falls to 19, flaws and all, I think that is a tremendous coup for 19.

I don't like a Hachimura at 19 pick. He's a volume scorer who doesn't exhibit significant NBA level offensive skills, for example, a 3 pt shot, nor does he rebound or defend well. To compare with other prospects at the nominal position who could be there at 19 (at least on some mocks), Doumboya (younger, physically superior), Brandon Clarke (physically superior, better NCAA stats, translatable defence and rebounding), PJ Washington (wingspan, 3 pt shot, better NCAA stats), Okeke (overall game, younger), Grant Williams (overall game, younger), even Samanic (size, ?physically better?, younger, wider diversity of NBA skill flashes, esp 3 pt shooting).

[duncan2150]

I agree about hachimura, i don’t think he is what we need and also he will go higher than 19.

Rui is not a slasher or a very good defender, he has a mid range game not more and i think if we moove up we could do better. Hunter could be the target .

[objective]

I don't like a Hachimura at 19 pick. He's a volume scorer who doesn't exhibit significant NBA level offensive skills, for example, a 3 pt shot, nor does he rebound or defend well. To compare with other prospects at the nominal position who could be there at 19 (at least on some mocks), Doumboya (younger, physically superior), Brandon Clarke (physically superior, better NCAA stats, translatable defence and rebounding), PJ Washington (wingspan, 3 pt shot, better NCAA stats), Okeke (overall game, younger), Grant Williams (overall game, younger), even Samanic (size, ?physically better?, younger, wider diversity of NBA skill flashes, esp 3 pt shooting).

I agree. I've started watching him and ... I guess he reminds me of Brandon Bass?

Very good Mid range shooter, and ... Is that's it? And Bass was a decent rotation player for a good length of time in a different era, but I don't get the Hachimura hype. Good athlete, but is he great at the NBA level? Has had defensive issues in college ...

I don't know if I'd choose Grant Williams or Samanic over him, but lots of other guys I can see filling a modern NBA role as a backup or guys with potential for more that are more interesting to me

[Drom John]

Yardbarker: 2019 NBA mock draft 2.0
Posted 57 minutes ago | By Pat Heery
[AKA 3 May 2019]


19. San Antonio Spurs: Goga Bitadze, KK Mega Bemax

NBA Comp: The Ante Zizic Celtics fans told you about

And here we have our first new addition to the mock draft: Goga Bitadze. Bitadze would be a lottery pick if he came up in the league 10 or maybe even five years ago with his skill set and power around the basket along with his nice touch from the outside and solid all-around game. His problem is going to be — you guessed it — his ability to play defense when he gets thrown into a bunch of pick-and-rolls and has to switch onto the James Hardens and Steph Currys of the league, as he is a little slow-footed at the moment. His ceiling has been described by some experts as Jusuf Nurkic. If any team can help an international talent reach his potential, it's the Spurs.
Patrick Albertini / Contributor


29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Carsen Edwards, Purdue

NBA Comp: Patty Mills

Edwards' Kemba Walker impersonation during March Madness certainly did his draft stock some favors. Instead of being viewed as a chucker, like he was for much of the Big Ten regular season, Edwards is now being seen as a player who can carry an average Purdue team to the cusp of a Final Four almost entirely on his own. The unlimited range and impressive shot-making ability he displayed this March were truly amazing and probably solidified his draft stock as a late-first-, early-second round pick. Every team could use a spark plug guard off the bench, and Edwards certainly fits that mold. He'd be an ideal long-term replacement for Patty Mills in San Antonio.
Jamie Rhodes-USA TODAY Sports

[Drom John]

Basketball Insiders:
Mock Drafts
2019 NBA Consensus Mock Draft – Ver 1.0

Each week, four of Basketball Insiders’ experts take a look at the draft class and weigh in on what they are seeing and hearing in the march up to the 2019 NBA Draft.
Basketball Insiders
3 May 2019

Drew Maresca
19. Cameron Johnson
29. Carsen Edwards

Jesse Blancarte
19. Grant Williams
29. Cameron Johnson

Spencer Davies
19. Jaxson Hayes
29. Talen Horton-Tucker

Steve Kyler
19. Keldon Johnson
29. Goga Bitadze

[Drom John]

Fansided: Factor of Sadness: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Cleveland Cavaliers gamble on traits with 26th pick
by Mike Graham 6 hours ago


19. San Antonio-Bruno Fernando-F-Maryland–Bruno Fernando could possibly go higher, so the Spurs, who are set in the back court, take a project who can rebound now, in the front court.


29. San Antonio-Kyle Guy-G-Virginia–Kyle Guy is keeping his name in the draft which lends me to think he has strong interest from teams around this spot during the first round.

[Biggems]

I really like Charles Bassey. He is raw, but he plays hard and knows how to rebound, something we are desperate for.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1124403208300969985

https://twitter.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1124093561283272706

https://twitter.com/CoachShopSJ/status/1123759605098717184

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs are probably looking for a new PG for the G-League team. They were pretty bad last season since White went to the big club

[Biggems]

C Jessie Govan Georgetown......IMO, he is a huge sleeper pick. I would not be upset at all if we drafted him in the 2nd round. He has a nice low post game, has 3 pt range, can get out in transition, is a decent passer and rebounder, and can protect the rim as a shot blocker. Patrick Ewing was his college coach, I am sure that helped him develop his game as a big man.

[ZeusWillJudge]

C Jessie Govan Georgetown......IMO, he is a huge sleeper pick. I would not be upset at all if we drafted him in the 2nd round. He has a nice low post game, has 3 pt range, can get out in transition, is a decent passer and rebounder, and can protect the rim as a shot blocker. Patrick Ewing was his college coach, I am sure that helped him develop his game as a big man.


I like Govan. I think there's still a place for an old school C, and you can't underestimate working with Ewing. There are some guys who I don't think should go in the first round, but might not be on the board by the time the Spurs get their second round pick - Govan is one of them. But if he's still there, I think he would be a very good pickup with that 49 spot.

He's already got legit size, and he can shoot the 3. I watched him play a couple of times, and my only beef was that he didn't have much sense of urgency on the boards - reminds me too much of Aldridge in that respect. It will take a couple of seasons to figure out if he's a draft bargain or a bust, but I would throw the 49 pick at him in a heartbeat. That's assuming they've addressed the need for an athletic forward in the first round.

[Degoat]

I think Cameron Johnson would be a great pick for us, idk where he’ll be drafted though. I’ve seen mock drafts that have him going really early and real late

[Biggems]

I like Govan. I think there's still a place for an old school C, and you can't underestimate working with Ewing. There are some guys who I don't think should go in the first round, but might not be on the board by the time the Spurs get their second round pick - Govan is one of them. But if he's still there, I think he would be a very good pickup with that 49 spot.

He's already got legit size, and he can shoot the 3. I watched him play a couple of times, and my only beef was that he didn't have much sense of urgency on the boards - reminds me too much of Aldridge in that respect. It will take a couple of seasons to figure out if he's a draft bargain or a bust, but I would throw the 49 pick at him in a heartbeat. That's assuming they've addressed the need for an athletic forward in the first round.

I also really like Ty Jerome of UVA and that PG Smart from LSU

[cd021]

I think Cameron Johnson would be a great pick for us, idk where he’ll be drafted though. I’ve seen mock drafts that have him going really early and real late

Heard he is great shooter but is pretty old and apparently had a hip injury that is concerning.


Edit: he shot 46% on almost 6 3s per game :wow, 40.5% on 640 career 3s. He can definitely shoot it

[ZeusWillJudge]

I also really like Ty Jerome of UVA and that PG Smart from LSU


LOL. If the Spurs draft Smart it will be a sign of the apocalypse - or at least a sign that Pop has completely changed. He's not... you know... smart. And I'm not sure the Spurs need another slasher with Murray on the roster. But damn he's quick and crafty with the ball. Also, he got a clean bill of health from the FBI investigation, but I get the idea that they were really just after the coach. But put him on the right team, and he'll put up some numbers.

Jerome is like the other side of the coin. He seems like "Spurs material", but he's also slow and pretty unathletic. (Maybe that's what "Spurs material" really is? :lol ) He's also something like 6'5" with a 6'2" wingspan. I think he's a good kid that's really going to struggle at the NBA level - but we'd all be pulling for him.

Of the two, I like Smart's athleticism and quickness.

[Drom John]

Cleveland.com: NBA mock draft 2019: Examining every possibility for the Cavaliers
By Matt Goul, cleveland.com | Posted May 06, 2019 at 05:35 AM | Updated May 06, 2019 at 06:06 AM


19. San Antonio: Deividas Sirvydis, 6-8 forward, Lithuania

Spurs' options: The Spurs have already been spotted scouting international talent — surprised? — including Olimpija's Luka Samanic. Sirvydis is a left-handed shooter, conjuring memories of an Argentinian wing (Manu Ginobili) San Antonio once took in the first round.


29. San Antonio (from Toronto): Luka Samanic, 6-11 forward, Croatia

Spurs' options: Remember the Spurs were scouting overseas with GM R.C. Buford looking at Samanic? This could be the spot to take him, as he rises up draft boards. This pick comes courtesy of last year's Kawhi Leonard trade.

[Blackhaus]

I swear if they go foreign with these first round pics I’m pull my hair out. I do not want some soft euro trash that we may or may not see in a few years.

[lmbebo]

Cleveland.com: NBA mock draft 2019: Examining every possibility for the Cavaliers
By Matt Goul, cleveland.com | Posted May 06, 2019 at 05:35 AM | Updated May 06, 2019 at 06:06 AM


19 seems high for him. He seems like an early 2nd round pick?

[EricB]

Samanic can be realllllly realllly good. However he wouldn’t show up till at least 2021

[Blackhaus]

Cam Johnson would be a nice first if he’s there at 19 or later pick. Prob the best shooter in this draft and he can slot right in the 3 or small ball 4. Watched him a few times living in ACC country.

[Blackhaus]

Yardbarker: 2019 NBA mock draft 2.0
Posted 57 minutes ago | By Pat Heery
[AKA 3 May 2019]
I threw up a lil when I read the nba comp is patty, has spurs written all over it

[Degoat]

Ideally I hope we address the SF position with one of the picks, no doubt the other pick will be a stashed player though lol I hope not, but as is are roster is almost full unless we trade some guys.

[Biggems]

LOL. If the Spurs draft Smart it will be a sign of the apocalypse - or at least a sign that Pop has completely changed. He's not... you know... smart. And I'm not sure the Spurs need another slasher with Murray on the roster. But damn he's quick and crafty with the ball. Also, he got a clean bill of health from the FBI investigation, but I get the idea that they were really just after the coach. But put him on the right team, and he'll put up some numbers.

Jerome is like the other side of the coin. He seems like "Spurs material", but he's also slow and pretty unathletic. (Maybe that's what "Spurs material" really is? :lol ) He's also something like 6'5" with a 6'2" wingspan. I think he's a good kid that's really going to struggle at the NBA level - but we'd all be pulling for him.

Of the two, I like Smart's athleticism and quickness.

Smart reminds me of tim hardaway or isiah thomas with the way he toys with the rock. As or Ty Jerome, he seems to do a great job of anticipation on D, as well as filling the passing lanes. On offense, he had nice handles, is a very nice passer, and has steph curry range beyond the arc. He seems to be a tough minded guy and coachable. He may lack elite athleticism, but he plays hard, plays smart, is a great teammate and leader, has a high BBIQ, and overacheves.....he gets th max out of his gifts.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

This draft is more fluid than most, there are just so many players all over the place on mock drafts/top prospects boards. I think an organization's scouting is even more important in NBA with the international players, trying to project development of 18 yo guys, and the quality of competition being so different for each player.

Should make for fun draft and exciting to have two picks in 1st. I saw one mock with Rui at 19 and Louis King at 29. I think that would be a pretty good night for Spurs

[BackHome]

Nice article on fanside has us mocked taking Rui with first and noting it may also be Washington, Clarke, or Sekou. Our second first they have us mocked with SF Louis King with possibilities of Cameron, Thybulle, or Tucker. The second round they have us picking Admiral Schofield or Carson Edward or Luka Samanic.

[Blackhaus]

I’d be fine with that draft ^^^

[Drom John]

Nice article on fanside has us mocked taking Rui with first and noting it may also be Washington, Clarke, or Sekou. Our second first they have us mocked with SF Louis King with possibilities of Cameron, Thybulle, or Tucker. The second round they have us picking Admiral Schofield or Carson Edward or Luka Samanic.

Fansided: Air Alamo: San Antonio Spurs 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Version 1.0
by Dylan Carter 8 hours ago [AKA 7 May 2019]

[Drom John]

Amico Hoops: 2019 Mock Draft: Seventh installment, via lottery simulator
Sam Amico
May 7, 2019

19. San Antonio Spurs: Bol Bol, C, Oregon

29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto): Luka Samanic, PF Slovenia

[TD 21]

Barring an unexpected fall, a la Murray and Walker, I still think they'll look to package the picks, possibly with Forbes, to move up.

King is interesting though. Long, athletic, projectable 3 and D type, but supposedly has attitude and maturity questions. Even if they'd otherwise pick him, I'm sure they'll pass if they find that to be true . . . let's just hope Bitanze is gone by 19. I don't even want them to have the chance to be tempted.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1125807041992433665

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1125807041992433665


No kidding? It seems like the Spurs are looking for a backup PG. I would have killed to have someone like Pickett on the roster this year, just to keep the offense flowing. I'm sure they aren't looking at him at 19 - at least I don't think so. But if they get their guy with 19, I think Pickett would be a pretty reasonable pick with 29.

I keep saying that there are a lot of guys that I think will go high in the second round. You don't really want to spend a first-rounder on them, but they aren't going to make it down to 49. Picket is one of those. His numbers were actually impressive enough that he might be a legit sleeper. He probably needs a year in the G-League, but in a pinch I think he could front the second unit.

Mostly I'm just pleased to know that the Spurs are working out PG's. Maybe it's a sign that the Patty Mills nightmare can finally end. I doubt it, but I can still hope.

[duncan2150]

Imo they are working out PGs for the second round pick and the G League team but i agree i Will be happy to have a real PG on This team.

[Eaglenole2002]

A guy I know says Nebraska’s Isaiah Roby (a guy I talked about a few days ago) worked out with the Spurs as a wing and shot the ball really well.

[spurs50_]

Anyone know anything about Bol Bol?

[BackHome]

Yeah we’re not drafting him

[duncan2150]

Second NBA workout Obi Toppin has announced via Instagram. He worked out for Spurs last weekend (http://twitter.com/DavidPJablonski/status/1126236459332177920)

Harry Froling has multiple teams interested in having him work out for them, and sources tell ESPN that he already has work outs for the Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, OKC Thunder, Utah Jazz, New Orleans Pelicans and the San Antonio Spurs planned. (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26695886/harry-froling-now-confident-nba-capabilities)

[cd021]

A guy I know says Nebraska’s Isaiah Roby (a guy I talked about a few days ago) worked out with the Spurs as a wing and shot the ball really well.
He may be able to play the 3 in the NBA and at 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan, he can scale up to the 4. Looks athletic too.

His shooting seems to be a potiential issue but if he shot it well at the work out then he may be drafted at 29. Defensively, he seems to be very effective, he averaged 1.3 steals and 1.9 blocks along with 7 rebounds in 32 mpg.

[cd021]

Nice article on fanside has us mocked taking Rui with first and noting it may also be Washington, Clarke, or Sekou. Our second first they have us mocked with SF Louis King with possibilities of Cameron, Thybulle, or Tucker. The second round they have us picking Admiral Schofield or Carson Edward or Luka Samanic.

At this point, I think that the best and most realistic option is PJ Washington or Rui at 19 and Roby at 29, though I actually did like what I saw from King too.

Really surprised that Clarke is consistently mocked ahead of Washington, Washington looks more skilled, bigger, longer, and 2 years younger with a chance to be a stretch 4 that can also score effectively in the post. Clarke is very athletic , defend and can finish but is almost 23 and may not even be 6'8.

Roby would project as a 3, if he can shoot and Washington as a 4, maybe bring Milutinov over and call it an off-season unless they move someone in the off season (Beli?)

[Russ]

https://twitter.com/MarkSingelais/status/1125807041992433665

The Spurs don't usually work out (or sometimes even interview) the guys they target in the draft.

It's hard to read the tea leaves with them.

[palangi]

At this point, I think that the best and most realistic option is PJ Washington or Rui at 19 and Roby at 29, though I actually did like what I saw from King too.

Really surprised that Clarke is consistently mocked ahead of Washington, Washington looks more skilled, bigger, longer, and 2 years younger with a chance to be a stretch 4 that can also score effectively in the post. Clarke is very athletic , defend and can finish but is almost 23 and may not even be 6'8.

Roby would project as a 3, if he can shoot and Washington as a 4, maybe bring Milutinov over and call it an off-season unless they move someone in the off season (Beli?)

19- Jalen mcdaniels SF SDSU
29- Isaiah Roby SF Nebraska
49- Terrance Mann SG Florida St

[cd021]

19- Jalen mcdaniels SF SDSU
29- Isaiah Roby SF Nebraska
49- Terrance Mann SG Florida St

Haven't looked at McDaniels yet, but it probably doesn't make sense to take 2 SFs unless one is a 3/4. DeRozan is the starting 3 for the duration his time here.

[4lifecowboy]

19- Jalen mcdaniels SF SDSU
29- Isaiah Roby SF Nebraska
49- Terrance Mann SG Florida St

Didn't McDaniels withdraw his name from this year draft?

[BackHome]

Another guy climbing into first round is Mfiondo Kabengele 6’10 PF big athletic guy who can also hit the 3

[Drom John]

Fansided: Fandom 250: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: When trades enter the equation
by Brendon Kleen 6 hours ago [AKA 9 May 2019]



29
Bruno Fernando
C, Maryland
Maryland

The last piece from the Kawhi Leonard trade is used on a smart, modern big man who would give the Spurs another option down low with Jakob Poeltl after LaMarcus Aldridge is gone.



19
Talen Horton-Tucker
F, Iowa State
Iowa State

Another smart, athletic player heads to San Antonio as the Spurs slowly rebuild.

[Drom John]

Basketball Insiders:
Mock Drafts
2019 NBA Consensus Mock Draft – Ver 2.0
Each week, four of Basketball Insiders’ experts take a look at the draft class and weigh in on what they are seeing and hearing in the march up to the 2019 NBA Draft.
Basketball Insiders
Published 2 hours ago
on May 9, 2019
By Basketball Insiders

Drew Maresca
19. Talen Horton-Tucker SF|Iowa State
29. Keldon Johnson SG/SF|Kentucky

Jesse Blancarte
19. Bruno Fernando C|Maryland
29. Grant Williams PF|Tennessee

Spencer Davies
19. Cameron Johnson SF|North Carolina
20. Matisse Thybulle SG/SF|Washington

Steve Kyler
19. Brandon Clarke PF/C|Gonzaga
29. Matisse Thybulle SG/SF|Washington

[Drom John]

Spurs vs. Kevin Pelton
I'm a Pelton fan. Generally I believe Pelton has done better than the NBA at slotting draft players. Pelton has a better record for predicting busts (Austin Rivers, Andrew Wiggins). Not who is not listed below: Rui Hachimura. One of the keys to Pelton is that he only projects to the end of first round contract (5 years) which values immediate contribution and devalues career with team.
So, year after year, I keep wanting players on the Pelton list.
The Spurs have done better versus Pelton than the league, with a few direct hits, Blair, Leonard and Denmon, which influenced my pro-Pelton stance.

Year Spurs pick | Pelton highest rated at time of pick
2006 Damir Markota | all 30 Pelton picks gone by 59
2007 Tiago Splitter | Nick Fazekas
2008 George Hill | Mario Chalmers
2009 DeJuan Blair | DeJuan Blair (overall Pelton #1)
2010 James Anderson | Hassan Whiteside
2011 Kawhi Leonard | Kawhi Leonard; Cory Joseph | Shelvin Mack
2012 Marcus Denmon | Marcus Denmon
2013 Livio Jean-Charles | Jeff Withey
2014 Kyle Anderson | Nikola Jokic (Pelton #4)
2015 Nikola Milutinov | R.J. Hunter
2016 Dejounte Murray | Zhou Qi (or Fred Van Vleet if you doubted Zhou's age)
2017 Derrick White | Monte Morris
2018 Lonnie Walker IV | Dzana Musa

So this year, these are the Pelton picks for those in Ford's top 60.

1) Zion Williamson
2) Tyrese Haliburton [did not declare]
3) Dedric Lawson
4) Bol Bol
5) Shamorie Ponds
6) Ja Morant
7) John Konchar
8) Markus Howard [did not declare]
9) Sam Hauser [did not declare]
10) Chuma Okeke
11) Matisse Thybulle
12) Talen Horton-Tucker
13) Cassius Wilson [did not declare]
14) Cam Reddish
15) Dyland Windler

17) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickell Alexander-Walker

21) Ty Jerome

23) Jontay Porter
24) Coby White
25) Darius Garland
26) Kevin Porter, Jr.

33) R.J. Barrett
34) Jaxson Hayes

37) Jarrett Culver

39) Tre Jones [did not declare]

42) Grant Williams

47) Nassir Little

59) Romeo Langford
60) De'Andre Hunter

[ZeusWillJudge]

Drew Maresca
19. Talen Horton-Tucker SF|Iowa State
29. Keldon Johnson SG/SF|Kentucky



I actually like Talen Horton-Tucker a LOT for the NBA. But I don't understand listing him as a SF. He's 6'4". But he's a strong, explosive sonofabitch. I look at him and see a Baron Davis kind of player. You never know how a player is going to adapt to the NBA, but he's built for contact - hell, he encourages it. I think he's going to be able to post up players up to SF size, and get around bigs.

His freshman numbers weren't overwhelming, but I compared them to Baron Davis a while back and they were pretty comparable. Davis was probably a better passer. Like so many college players, if he can improve from 3P it would make him a lot better. If he can freeze defenders out at the arc, he'll be getting to the rim a lot.


I don't know if he's a fit for Pop and "The System", but he's one guy who could be a real home run in the draft. If the Spurs were to draft him, they really have a logjam in that end of the roster. But I honestly think he could be better than Murray and LWIV, if he takes to the NBA the way I think he will. I haven't talked about him much because I keep looking for SF's. If the Spurs were to draft him, I think one of the young guys has to get traded - if not this offseason, then the next.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I hate highlight videos, because they're... you know... highlight videos. But here's one of Horton-Tucker. I think he has to be in the running as a BPA player, if he's still ont he board.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ccT3xSlV0

[Strategic]

I hate highlight videos, because they're... you know... highlight videos. But here's one of Horton-Tucker. I think he has to be in the running as a BPA player, if he's still ont he board.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ccT3xSlV0

What, no vids of him tripping and kicking the ball out of bounds?

[palangi]

Didn't McDaniels withdraw his name from this year draft?

Nope he is still in it

[palangi]

Haven't looked at McDaniels yet, but it probably doesn't make sense to take 2 SFs unless one is a 3/4. DeRozan is the starting 3 for the duration his time here.
https://youtu.be/7Yi80cDr6m4

[bluebellmaniac]

Spurs vs. Kevin Pelton
I'm a Pelton fan. Generally I believe Pelton has done better than the NBA at slotting draft players. Pelton has a better record for predicting busts (Austin Rivers, Andrew Wiggins). Not who is not listed below: Rui Hachimura. One of the keys to Pelton is that he only projects to the end of first round contract (5 years) which values immediate contribution and devalues career with team.
So, year after year, I keep wanting players on the Pelton list.
The Spurs have done better versus Pelton than the league, with a few direct hits, Blair, Leonard and Denmon, which influenced my pro-Pelton stance.

Year Spurs pick | Pelton highest rated at time of pick
2006 Damir Markota | all 30 Pelton picks gone by 59
2007 Tiago Splitter | Nick Fazekas
2008 George Hill | Mario Chalmers
2009 DeJuan Blair | DeJuan Blair (overall Pelton #1)
2010 James Anderson | Hassan Whiteside
2011 Kawhi Leonard | Kawhi Leonard; Cory Joseph | Shelvin Mack
2012 Marcus Denmon | Marcus Denmon
2013 Livio Jean-Charles | Jeff Withey
2014 Kyle Anderson | Nikola Jokic (Pelton #4)
2015 Nikola Milutinov | R.J. Hunter
2016 Dejounte Murray | Zhou Qi (or Fred Van Vleet if you doubted Zhou's age)
2017 Derrick White | Monte Morris
2018 Lonnie Walker IV | Dzana Musa

So this year, these are the Pelton picks for those in Ford's top 60.

1) Zion Williamson
2) Tyrese Haliburton [did not declare]
3) Dedric Lawson
4) Bol Bol
5) Shamorie Ponds
6) Ja Morant
7) John Konchar
8) Markus Howard [did not declare]
9) Sam Hauser [did not declare]
10) Chuma Okeke
11) Matisse Thybulle
12) Talen Horton-Tucker
13) Cassius Wilson [did not declare]
14) Cam Reddish
15) Dyland Windler

17) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickell Alexander-Walker

21) Ty Jerome

23) Jontay Porter
24) Coby White
25) Darius Garland
26) Kevin Porter, Jr.

33) R.J. Barrett
34) Jaxson Hayes

37) Jarrett Culver

39) Tre Jones [did not declare]

42) Grant Williams

47) Nassir Little

59) Romeo Langford
60) De'Andre Hunter

Things like this that make this such a great forum.

[duncan2150]

I actually like Talen Horton-Tucker a LOT for the NBA. But I don't understand listing him as a SF. He's 6'4". But he's a strong, explosive sonofabitch. I look at him and see a Baron Davis kind of player. You never know how a player is going to adapt to the NBA, but he's built for contact - hell, he encourages it. I think he's going to be able to post up players up to SF size, and get around bigs.

His freshman numbers weren't overwhelming, but I compared them to Baron Davis a while back and they were pretty comparable. Davis was probably a better passer. Like so many college players, if he can improve from 3P it would make him a lot better. If he can freeze defenders out at the arc, he'll be getting to the rim a lot.


I don't know if he's a fit for Pop and "The System", but he's one guy who could be a real home run in the draft. If the Spurs were to draft him, they really have a logjam in that end of the roster. But I honestly think he could be better than Murray and LWIV, if he takes to the NBA the way I think he will. I haven't talked about him much because I keep looking for SF's. If the Spurs were to draft him, I think one of the young guys has to get traded - if not this offseason, then the next.


he is intriguing for sure, not an ideal size but a huge wingspan. Looks strong and can ball but he also looks a little bit chubby and not that speed ( tough the scouting report says he is athletic) so i don't know. He is more of a project with the 29 th pick imo.

[NickiRasgo]

This draft supposed to be looking for additional support for Kawhi but here we are, hoping to find another gem or not wasting that 19th and 29th pick. :depressed
Wished the Kings traded that 2nd pick for Kawhi then drafting Doncic.

[Dejounte]

Spurs vs. Kevin Pelton
I'm a Pelton fan. Generally I believe Pelton has done better than the NBA at slotting draft players. Pelton has a better record for predicting busts (Austin Rivers, Andrew Wiggins). Not who is not listed below: Rui Hachimura. One of the keys to Pelton is that he only projects to the end of first round contract (5 years) which values immediate contribution and devalues career with team.
So, year after year, I keep wanting players on the Pelton list.
The Spurs have done better versus Pelton than the league, with a few direct hits, Blair, Leonard and Denmon, which influenced my pro-Pelton stance.

Year Spurs pick | Pelton highest rated at time of pick
2006 Damir Markota | all 30 Pelton picks gone by 59
2007 Tiago Splitter | Nick Fazekas
2008 George Hill | Mario Chalmers
2009 DeJuan Blair | DeJuan Blair (overall Pelton #1)
2010 James Anderson | Hassan Whiteside
2011 Kawhi Leonard | Kawhi Leonard; Cory Joseph | Shelvin Mack
2012 Marcus Denmon | Marcus Denmon
2013 Livio Jean-Charles | Jeff Withey
2014 Kyle Anderson | Nikola Jokic (Pelton #4)
2015 Nikola Milutinov | R.J. Hunter
2016 Dejounte Murray | Zhou Qi (or Fred Van Vleet if you doubted Zhou's age)
2017 Derrick White | Monte Morris
2018 Lonnie Walker IV | Dzana Musa

So this year, these are the Pelton picks for those in Ford's top 60.

1) Zion Williamson
2) Tyrese Haliburton [did not declare]
3) Dedric Lawson
4) Bol Bol
5) Shamorie Ponds
6) Ja Morant
7) John Konchar
8) Markus Howard [did not declare]
9) Sam Hauser [did not declare]
10) Chuma Okeke
11) Matisse Thybulle
12) Talen Horton-Tucker
13) Cassius Wilson [did not declare]
14) Cam Reddish
15) Dyland Windler

17) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickell Alexander-Walker

21) Ty Jerome

23) Jontay Porter
24) Coby White
25) Darius Garland
26) Kevin Porter, Jr.

33) R.J. Barrett
34) Jaxson Hayes

37) Jarrett Culver

39) Tre Jones [did not declare]

42) Grant Williams

47) Nassir Little

59) Romeo Langford
60) De'Andre Hunter

Why are there missing numbers on your list? So if theyre not on this list, Pelton thinks they will bust? Im confused

[cutewizard]

Arya rules boys

[exstatic]

Spurs vs. Kevin Pelton
I'm a Pelton fan. Generally I believe Pelton has done better than the NBA at slotting draft players. Pelton has a better record for predicting busts (Austin Rivers, Andrew Wiggins). Not who is not listed below: Rui Hachimura. One of the keys to Pelton is that he only projects to the end of first round contract (5 years) which values immediate contribution and devalues career with team.
So, year after year, I keep wanting players on the Pelton list.
The Spurs have done better versus Pelton than the league, with a few direct hits, Blair, Leonard and Denmon, which influenced my pro-Pelton stance.

Year Spurs pick | Pelton highest rated at time of pick
2006 Damir Markota | all 30 Pelton picks gone by 59
2007 Tiago Splitter | Nick Fazekas
2008 George Hill | Mario Chalmers
2009 DeJuan Blair | DeJuan Blair (overall Pelton #1)
2010 James Anderson | Hassan Whiteside
2011 Kawhi Leonard | Kawhi Leonard; Cory Joseph | Shelvin Mack
2012 Marcus Denmon | Marcus Denmon
2013 Livio Jean-Charles | Jeff Withey
2014 Kyle Anderson | Nikola Jokic (Pelton #4)
2015 Nikola Milutinov | R.J. Hunter
2016 Dejounte Murray | Zhou Qi (or Fred Van Vleet if you doubted Zhou's age)
2017 Derrick White | Monte Morris
2018 Lonnie Walker IV | Dzana Musa

So this year, these are the Pelton picks for those in Ford's top 60.

1) Zion Williamson
2) Tyrese Haliburton [did not declare]
3) Dedric Lawson
4) Bol Bol
5) Shamorie Ponds
6) Ja Morant
7) John Konchar
8) Markus Howard [did not declare]
9) Sam Hauser [did not declare]
10) Chuma Okeke
11) Matisse Thybulle
12) Talen Horton-Tucker
13) Cassius Wilson [did not declare]
14) Cam Reddish
15) Dyland Windler

17) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickell Alexander-Walker

21) Ty Jerome

23) Jontay Porter
24) Coby White
25) Darius Garland
26) Kevin Porter, Jr.

33) R.J. Barrett
34) Jaxson Hayes

37) Jarrett Culver

39) Tre Jones [did not declare]

42) Grant Williams

47) Nassir Little

59) Romeo Langford
60) De'Andre Hunter
My question for Mr. Pelton would be to ask why he compiles his list before early entry declarations. It seems a waste to have a big clump of players near the top that CAN’T be drafted. Or, alternatively, update the list to reflect declarations.

[Drom John]

Why are there missing numbers on your list? So if theyre not on this list, Pelton thinks they will bust? Im confused

The missing numbers are for players Pelton likes but Ford does not rate as a top 60. As a non-Insider, I haven't seen those names. I imagine them to be of the ilk of Forbes, Arcidiacono and Garino.

And yes, each blank spot has as corresponding Ford top 60 that Pelton might consider to be not worthy a draft pick. I don't see Hachimura, Bidatzke and others. As to Bidatzke, Semanic not on the list, note that Pelton has been a leading advocate for foreigners, Doncic #1, Capela #2, Jokic #4, Porzingas, Mirotic and others very high.

[Drom John]

Fansided: Sir Charles in Charge: NBA Mock Draft 4.0: Knicks fall out of top 3; Bol jumps into top 10
by Michael Saenz 6 hours ago [AKA 10 May 2019]



19
Cameron Johnson
F North Carolina
San Antonio Spurs

The San Antonio Spurs are another team that is heading into somewhat of an unknown this summer. They impressed in the playoffs and nearly knocked off the second-seeded Nuggets, but still, have not proved that they have a core that should be built around.

Perhaps the best news that they learned this season is that Gregg Popovich is working on an extension with the team. Which means that they should be in good hands for the foreseeable future. With that said, at 19, taking a player like Cameron Johnson could be an interesting move for a team that needs contributors.

Johnson’s statistics this past season were absolutely absurd. During his senior season at North Carolina, he averaged 17 points and six rebounds on 51 percent shooting from the field and 46 percent from 3-point range (on six attempts per contest).



29
Ty Jerome
G Virginia
San Antonio Spurs

At this point in the draft, the Spurs will be drafting for depth and potential. There’s no looking for franchise players or real rotation players. It’s not fair to have those types of expectations on any prospect being taken at 29.

Nevertheless, the Spurs could find real value by taking Ty Jerome, who more than impressed during his time at Virginia. Jerome improved in each of his three seasons with the Cavaliers and averaged 14 points, six assists and four rebounds on 40 percent from 3-point range during his junior season.

Jerome has good size (6-foot-5) for his position and while he might not be a starting-caliber point guard right now, there’s no question that he’ll be able to find a role in the league one day.

[Drom John]

Yahoo Sports!: 2019 NBA mock draft 2.0: How much did national title game help De'Andre Hunter?
[Yahoo Sports]
Krysten Peek
Yahoo Sports May 10, 2019, 11:12 AM


19. San Antonio Spurs

PF Grant Williams, Tennessee, 6-7, 220


29. San Antonio Spurs

G Ty Jerome, Virginia, 6-5, 200

[Drom John]

66 NBA Prospects Accept Invite To The 2019 NBA Draft Combine

Player Name (College/Club)
Alexander-Walker, Nickeil (Virginia Tech)
Barrett, RJ (Duke)
Bassey, Charles (Western Kentucky)
Bazley, Darius (Princeton HS (OH))
Bol, Bol (Oregon)
Bone, Jordan (Tennessee)
Bowen, Brian (Sydney Kings (Australia))
Bowman, Ky (Boston College)
Brazdeikis, Ignas (Michigan)
Brown, Moses (UCLA)
Clarke, Brandon (Gonzaga)
Claxton, Nicolas (Georgia)
Culver, Jarrett (Texas Tech)
Dort, Luguentz (Arizona State)
Dotson, Devon (Kansas)
Edwards, Carsen (Purdue)
Fernando, Bruno (Maryland)
Gafford, Daniel (Arkansas)
Garland, Darius (Vanderbilt)
Grimes, Quentin (Kansas)
Guy, Kyle (Virginia)
Hands, Jaylen (UCLA)
Hayes, Jaxson (Texas)
Herro, Tyler (Kentucky)
Hoard, Jaylen (Wake Forest)
Horton-Tucker, Talen (Iowa State)
Hunter, De’Andre (Virginia)
Jerome, Ty (Virginia)
Johnson, Cameron (North Carolina)
Johnson, Keldon (Kentucky)
Kabengele, Mfiondu (Florida State)
King, Louis (Oregon)
Langford, Romeo (Indiana)
Lawson, Dedric (Kansas)
Lecque, Jalen (Brewster Academy (NH))
Little, Nassir (North Carolina)
Matthews, Charles (Michigan)
McDaniels, Jalen (San Diego State)
Morant, Ja (Murray State)
Norvell Jr., Zach (Gonzaga)
Nowell, Jaylen (Washington)
Nwora, Jordan (Louisville)
Okeke, Chuma (Auburn)
Okpala, KZ (Stanford)
Oni, Miye (Yale)
Paschall, Eric (Villanova)
Ponds, Shamorie (St. John’s)
Poole, Jordan (Michigan)
Porter Jr., Kevin (USC)
Porter, Jontay (Missouri)
Queta, Neemias (Utah State)
Reddish, Cam(Duke)
Reid, Naz (LSU)
Roby, Isaiah (Nebraska)
Samanic, Luka (Olimpija (Slovenia))
Schofield, Admiral (Tennessee)
Shittu, Simisola (Vanderbilt)
Tillie, Killian (Gonzaga)
Washington Jr., PJ (Kentucky)
Waters, Tremont (LSU)
Weatherspoon, Quinndary (Mississippi State)
White, Coby (North Carolina)
Wilkes, Kris (UCLA)
Williams, Grant (Tennessee)
Williamson, Zion (Duke)
Windler, Dylan (Belmont)

[BWS-1994]

Looking forward to Okeke’s result, especially coming from an injury.

[SpurPadre]

Yahoo Sports!: 2019 NBA mock draft 2.0: How much did national title game help De'Andre Hunter?
[Yahoo Sports]
Krysten Peek
Yahoo Sports May 10, 2019, 11:12 AM

Ugh...no thanks. Williams rates as 6 in athleticism in NBA Draft Net and is undersized at his position. We need athletes. I know we can't simply get athletes for the sake of athletes but we do need athletes to keep up with the rest of the league.

[SpurPadre]

Ugh...no thanks. Williams rates as 6 in athleticism in NBA Draft Net and is undersized at his position. We need athletes. I know we can't simply get athletes for the sake of athletes but we do need athletes to keep up with the rest of the league. Jerome is also athletically deficient.

[pad300]

Looking forward to Okeke’s result, especially coming from an injury.

He's just doing interviews, not testing & playing...

[Marco]

Disappointed Tyler Cook is not in that list

[K...]

Samanic, Luka (Olimpija (Slovenia))..... Long trip there buddy, did you get a promise?

[exstatic]

Looking forward to Okeke’s result, especially coming from an injury.

Yeah, he tore his ACL during the Sweet sixteen game in March. Not only will he not work out, he'll likely miss most or even all of next season.

[duncan2150]

Having announced last month his plans to test the NBA Draft waters, Isaiah Roby has been on the move ever since. He’s already worked out for three teams (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/no-decision-yet-but-roby-enjoying-the-ride-as-he/article_3c05bff1-44f8-5869-8165-fed7f361e665.html) — the San Antonio Spurs, Minnesota Timberwolves and Milwaukee Bucks — and has a fourth workout this weekend with the Chicago Bulls.

roby could be a nice target with late pick or secound round one.

[R. DeMurre]

Spurs vs. Kevin Pelton
I'm a Pelton fan. Generally I believe Pelton has done better than the NBA at slotting draft players. Pelton has a better record for predicting busts (Austin Rivers, Andrew Wiggins). Not who is not listed below: Rui Hachimura. One of the keys to Pelton is that he only projects to the end of first round contract (5 years) which values immediate contribution and devalues career with team.
So, year after year, I keep wanting players on the Pelton list.
The Spurs have done better versus Pelton than the league, with a few direct hits, Blair, Leonard and Denmon, which influenced my pro-Pelton stance.

Year Spurs pick | Pelton highest rated at time of pick
2006 Damir Markota | all 30 Pelton picks gone by 59
2007 Tiago Splitter | Nick Fazekas
2008 George Hill | Mario Chalmers
2009 DeJuan Blair | DeJuan Blair (overall Pelton #1)
2010 James Anderson | Hassan Whiteside
2011 Kawhi Leonard | Kawhi Leonard; Cory Joseph | Shelvin Mack
2012 Marcus Denmon | Marcus Denmon
2013 Livio Jean-Charles | Jeff Withey
2014 Kyle Anderson | Nikola Jokic (Pelton #4)
2015 Nikola Milutinov | R.J. Hunter
2016 Dejounte Murray | Zhou Qi (or Fred Van Vleet if you doubted Zhou's age)
2017 Derrick White | Monte Morris
2018 Lonnie Walker IV | Dzana Musa

So this year, these are the Pelton picks for those in Ford's top 60.

1) Zion Williamson
2) Tyrese Haliburton [did not declare]
3) Dedric Lawson
4) Bol Bol
5) Shamorie Ponds
6) Ja Morant
7) John Konchar
8) Markus Howard [did not declare]
9) Sam Hauser [did not declare]
10) Chuma Okeke
11) Matisse Thybulle
12) Talen Horton-Tucker
13) Cassius Wilson [did not declare]
14) Cam Reddish
15) Dyland Windler

17) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickell Alexander-Walker

21) Ty Jerome

23) Jontay Porter
24) Coby White
25) Darius Garland
26) Kevin Porter, Jr.

33) R.J. Barrett
34) Jaxson Hayes

37) Jarrett Culver

39) Tre Jones [did not declare]

42) Grant Williams

47) Nassir Little

59) Romeo Langford
60) De'Andre Hunter

He sure called it in 2014 with Jokic. Interesting that he has Thybulle ranked ahead of Brandon Clarke. I wonder what his reasoning is there...

[duncan2150]

He sure called it in 2014 with Jokic. Interesting that he has Thybulle ranked ahead of Brandon Clarke. I wonder what his reasoning is there...

Yes drom john Can you explain us his method if you know ? Strange to see hunter ( tough I’m not really high on him) or Langford that low.

[BWS-1994]

He's just doing interviews, not testing & playing...


Yeah, he tore his ACL during the Sweet sixteen game in March. Not only will he not work out, he'll likely miss most or even all of next season.

Oh. Thanks for the clarification. :tu

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Marcus_R_Fuller/status/1126937405112619008

[joeyjfive]

Looks like Pelton is as high on Bol Bol as I am. I like everything I see from him, he’d Be the steal of the draft if we can somehow get him at 19. Thank you for providing this list.

[Dejounte]

Big board for who the Spurs should draft(likely players at 19 only)

1. Bol Bol (Kevin Durant type player)
2. Grant Williams (Paul Pierce, Kawhi (offense only) type player)
3. Eric Paschall (Jamal Crawford who can play D)
4. KZ Okpala (faster Kyle Anderson with better footwork)
5. Romeo Langford (DeMar replacement)
6. Brandon Clarke (Kenyon Martin)
7. Rui Hachimura (Paul Millsap lite)

[Play Boban]

Getting Bol Bol at 19 would be a steal, but he won't be there at 19 tbh...... :wakeup

[Biggems]

What about this.......We trade 19 and 2020 2nd to Philly for 24, 34, and 54. I understand that they don't trade picks outright, so we draft for one another....

24 F Louis King - athletic slasher, 3pt range, all around very nice offensive game

29 F Cam Johnson - 3pt assassin, long and athletic

34 F Dylan Windler - 3pt assassin, Windex

49 C Jessie Govan - decent array of low post moves, 3. Pt range, solid defender, athletic, coached up by Patrick Ewing at Center University

54 PG Ja'Vonte Smart - Tim Hardaway/Zeke Thomas ball handling skills, very good playmaker, attacks the basket, plays with a chip on his shoulder, needs Chip to help him with his perimeter shot

[bluebellmaniac]

What about this.......We trade 19 and 2020 2nd to Philly for 24, 34, and 54. I understand that they don't trade picks outright, so we draft for one another....

24 F Louis King - athletic slasher, 3pt range, all around very nice offensive game

29 F Cam Johnson - 3pt assassin, long and athletic

34 F Dylan Windler - 3pt assassin, Windex

49 C Jessie Govan - decent array of low post moves, 3. Pt range, solid defender, athletic, coached up by Patrick Ewing at Center University

54 PG Ja'Vonte Smart - Tim Hardaway/Zeke Thomas ball handling skills, very good playmaker, attacks the basket, plays with a chip on his shoulder, needs Chip to help him with his perimeter shot

So you want us to draft 5 guys? WTF!?

[pad300]

He sure called it in 2014 with Jokic. Interesting that he has Thybulle ranked ahead of Brandon Clarke. I wonder what his reasoning is there...

Pelton is a bit of a stat-head. I'm guessing that the reason is that Thybulle's defensive production in college is completely unprecedented...

There have been guys reminiscent of Brandon Clarke in college before (AD - came good, Gary Clarke, Cincinnati - not so much).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&class_is_fr=Y&class_is_so=Y&class_is_jr=Y&class_is_sr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&games_type=A&c1stat=off_rtg&c1comp=gt&c1val=135&c2stat=def_rtg&c2comp=lt&c2val=85&order_by=pts

[Biggems]

So you want us to draft 5 guys? WTF!?

Yes....

[R. DeMurre]

Pelton is a bit of a stat-head. I'm guessing that the reason is that Thybulle's defensive production in college is completely unprecedented...

There have been guys reminiscent of Brandon Clarke in college before (AD - came good, Gary Clarke, Cincinnati - not so much).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&class_is_fr=Y&class_is_so=Y&class_is_jr=Y&class_is_sr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&games_type=A&c1stat=off_rtg&c1comp=gt&c1val=135&c2stat=def_rtg&c2comp=lt&c2val=85&order_by=pts

Yeah, it's a tough comparison. Clarke's showing was really impressive, but he's an older college player. When Anthony Davis turned 22 he was already in his fourth NBA season, averaging 24 &10.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Amir Coffey tweet


Coffey is another guy I was looking to this year. He's got the size to play SF, and just about everything else except 3P shooting. (Familiar theme.) He actually shot the 3 pretty well last season, and I had hopes that he would improve this year. Instead he regressed pretty significantly. If he had improved just 3-4% instead, he'd be a lock to get drafted. But he improved just about everything else, and kept himself in the discussion.

He needs work on his stroke, and not just his head. But if he had the 3P shot now, I think he'd be a first round pick. He would be one hell of a worthwhile option with the second round pick. Someone may pick him up before 49, because if they can fix that stroke, he's got all the other pieces to be a solid part of a rotation. I want the Spurs to take a 6'8" guy in the worst way, so I would really like to see him come work with Chip.

[FutureMan]

Yes....

Even drafting three picks is a stretch

I do feel they need an earlier 2nd round pick though so they can secure Luka

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Having announced last month his plans to test the NBA Draft waters, Isaiah Roby has been on the move ever since. He’s already worked out for three teams (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/no-decision-yet-but-roby-enjoying-the-ride-as-he/article_3c05bff1-44f8-5869-8165-fed7f361e665.html) — the San Antonio Spurs, Minnesota Timberwolves and Milwaukee Bucks — and has a fourth workout this weekend with the Chicago Bulls.

roby could be a nice target with late pick or secound round one.

Yeah, Roby is very interesting as a potential 3&D candidate to play the small forward position.

Some mock drafts had us taking him

[cd021]

Having announced last month his plans to test the NBA Draft waters, Isaiah Roby has been on the move ever since. He’s already worked out for three teams (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/no-decision-yet-but-roby-enjoying-the-ride-as-he/article_3c05bff1-44f8-5869-8165-fed7f361e665.html) — the San Antonio Spurs, Minnesota Timberwolves and Milwaukee Bucks — and has a fourth workout this weekend with the Chicago Bulls.

roby could be a nice target with late pick or secound round one.


Yeah, Roby is very interesting as a potential 3&D candidate to play the small forward position.

Some mock drafts had us taking him

Really want PATFO to take Roby with 29. He is athletic, 6'8 wing with length and good defensive stats. Needs to improve as a shooter but looks like he can definitely be a NBA 3 and a small ball 4.

[cd021]

What about this.......We trade 19 and 2020 2nd to Philly for 24, 34, and 54. I understand that they don't trade picks outright, so we draft for one another....

24 F Louis King - athletic slasher, 3pt range, all around very nice offensive game

29 F Cam Johnson - 3pt assassin, long and athletic

34 F Dylan Windler - 3pt assassin, Windex

49 C Jessie Govan - decent array of low post moves, 3. Pt range, solid defender, athletic, coached up by Patrick Ewing at Center University

54 PG Ja'Vonte Smart - Tim Hardaway/Zeke Thomas ball handling skills, very good playmaker, attacks the basket, plays with a chip on his shoulder, needs Chip to help him with his perimeter shot

Not too high on Cam Johnson but his 3pt shooting is outrageously good. He shot 46% on 5 3's per game this season and is a career 40.5% 3pt shooter on a high amount of attempts.

Liked what I saw with King too.

[Biggems]

Not too high on Cam Johnson but his 3pt shooting is outrageously good. He shot 46% on 5 3's per game this season and is a career 40.5% 3pt shooter on a high amount of attempts.

Liked what I saw with King too.

In researching Cam, I didn't see anything about his numerous injuries, major ones in fact. This new news makes me very reluctant to draft him. I would be up for drafting Isaiah Roby instead.

[TheGreatYacht]

Would trade any scrub on our roster plus our two garbage picks for Bol Bol or Kevin Porter Jr. That's all.

[Degoat]

One kinda disappointing aspect I expect at the draft is for us to draft a stashed away player with one of are picks in the 1st round, I hope I’m wrong. If spurs sign Rudy Gay back, that would leave the roster at 12 players I believe, plus 2 first round picks that would be 14, leaving only 1 guaranteed spot left for a free agent signing.

Now waiving players or trades could always open up a spot or 2 but still

[picnroll]

BoL BoL will be so easy to play off the court. Can’t handle a switching offense and won’t be able to handle physical bigs. Guys going to break like a twig. He makes his father look like Schwartzeneger.

[cd021]

One kinda disappointing aspect I expect at the draft is for us to draft a stashed away player with one of are picks in the 1st round, I hope I’m wrong. If spurs sign Rudy Gay back, that would leave the roster at 12 players I believe, plus 2 first round picks that would be 14, leaving only 1 guaranteed spot left for a free agent signing.

Now waiving players or trades could always open up a spot or 2 but still

Possibly, but the Spurs may or may not bring over Milutinov- if they don't then they may be fine taking 2 American players and then either leaving that spot for a vet or leaving it open heading into the season.

[BackHome]

Poindexter and Cunningham have to be gone which would give us 3 slots so one for Nikola one for 19th pick and the 29 pick I am thinking Okeke or foreign player depending who is available at this pick. To me Metu is not a lock if the 2nd round pick or free agent is better then I think he is waived.

[Degoat]

Poindexter and Cunningham have to be gone which would give us 3 slots so one for Nikola one for 19th pick and the 29 pick I am thinking Okeke or foreign player depending who is available at this pick. To me Metu is not a lock if the 2nd round pick or free agent is better then I think he is waived.

I don’t think Pop would be thrilled having 3 rookies on the team, I do agree though Metu probably has a high chance of
being waived

[BackHome]

If this is Pop last year then I think he does what is best for next head coach. So if we can get talented young guys in draft then you draft them and put them in one year G League and coach then up to be ready for new coach

[pookenstein]

Who has the biggest forehead in the draft?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Who has the biggest forehead in the draft?


LOL. That could be the best way to predict who they draft. :tu

[DavidTheGoliath]

I don’t think Pop would be thrilled having 3 rookies on the team, I do agree though Metu probably has a high chance of
being waived

Blair is, sadly, better than Metu.

[Kurgan]

Blair is, sadly, better than Metu.

Nothing sad about it. Picking in the 2nd round is a crapshoot of mostly bad players. Blair was a first round talent that only fell to the 2nd round because of his medical report. Metu is the typical second round fodder.

[exstatic]

Poindexter and Cunningham have to be gone which would give us 3 slots so one for Nikola one for 19th pick and the 29 pick I am thinking Okeke or foreign player depending who is available at this pick. To me Metu is not a lock if the 2nd round pick or free agent is better then I think he is waived.

The Pau/Motiejunas spot is already open. Don’t forget that.

[exstatic]

Nothing sad about it. Picking in the 2nd round is a crapshoot of mostly bad players. Blair was a first round talent that only fell to the 2nd round because of his medical report. Metu is the typical second round fodder.

I think they’re talking about current, 90 YO Austin Spurs Blair.

Metu shot 50% in Austin. That’s horrible for an athletic big playing against that level of comp. that number should be about 60%. He also finished fifth in rebounding...on his team.

[pad300]

I think they’re talking about current, 90 YO Austin Spurs Blair.

Metu shot 50% in Austin. That’s horrible for an athletic big playing against that level of comp. that number should be about 60%. He also finished fifth in rebounding...on his team.

I don't follow the G-league much, but I was under the impression the Spurs wanted to try converting Metu into a 3 (or at least a perimeter 4). That could have a lot to do with terrible stats. Have they been playing him as a big?

[DavidTheGoliath]

Metu turning into a poor mans rudy gay would have been nice. But eh we cant have it all can we

[exstatic]

I don't follow the G-league much, but I was under the impression the Spurs wanted to try converting Metu into a 3 (or at least a perimeter 4). That could have a lot to do with terrible stats. Have they been playing him as a big?

I think some people HERE thought that is what should be done. He shot .222 from downtown on 0.7 att/gm, and averaged 2.0 assists and 3.0 turnovers per contest, so that experiment, if it's even what they had in mind, is a bust, too.

[look_at_g_shred]

The Pau/Motiejunas spot is already open. Don’t forget that.
Also the Dante/Pondexter spots too right?

[exstatic]

Also the Dante/Pondexter spots too right?

Probably, but not officially yet. Pau was dumped, replaced by Motiejunas, who then walked away. He's going back to China, so that spot IS open.

[palangi]

What's funny is to see some dismiss metu already after one year.
He didn't have ungodly stats.... he's a bum.

Blair better than anyone is a joke opinion

[Drom John]

Insider piece that I am too cheap to buy.
Pelton: How my NBA draft projections work (http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16235135/explaining-kevin-pelton-nba-draft-projection-system)


Three primary factors go into my projections for the NBA draft:

A player's projected performance as a rookie

His age

His rank in the latest top 100 from my ESPN colleagues Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz

From bits I have gathered over the years, whether they still are in his system:
Steals are very valuable and project very well, therefore Thybulle.
Low turnover rate translates well, therefore Ponds.
Rebounding translates pretty well, blocks moderately well, therefore Bol.
Age is important, Dejounte Murray is younger than Derrick White. Two players that gave Pelton age problems were Zhou Qi and Thon Maker. A 19 year old has more upside that the 23 year old, but that 23 year may produce earlier in the contract.
FT% is a better predictor of NBA 3P% than college 3P%.
College scoring is very misleading.
Improvements as a senior are discounted.
Quality of opponents is somehow normalized.
With each new year of draft data and the changing NBA, the actual formula gets tweaked with the newer results.
The former Ford lists, now Givony and Schmitz, is a hedge to include scouting, mathematically weighed by various factors. I believe scouting is weighted higher for the younger players, less for those with more data.

[exstatic]

What's funny is to see some disks metu already after one year.
He didn't have ungodly stats.... he's a bum.

Blair better than anyone is a joke opinion

It's a terrible sign for your NBA future when you don't do well in the g-league. Kyle Anderson was a g-league god, and he struggled to find playing time and a groove every year of his NBA career. I can't imagine a player not playing well at all down there, but carving out an NBA career. With Metu's physical gifts, he should have been killing it in the g-league.

Almost every player SA has sent to Austin has either done extremely well, or at least shown out well for their position. Even Lonnie, who played a bit over half of the season, showed credibly in limited minutes (28pg). He scored 16.6p/2.9r/1.7ast on 44/37/81 shooting percentaqes.

[exstatic]

Insider piece that I am too cheap to buy.
Pelton: How my NBA draft projections work (http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16235135/explaining-kevin-pelton-nba-draft-projection-system)



From bits I have gathered over the years, whether they still are in his system:
Steals are very valuable and project very well, therefore Thybulle.
Low turnover rate translates well, therefore Ponds.
Rebounding translates pretty well, blocks moderately well, therefore Bol.
Age is important, Dejounte Murray is younger than Derrick White. Two players that gave Pelton age problems were Zhou Qi and Thon Maker. A 19 year old has more upside that the 23 year old, but that 23 year may produce earlier in the contract.
FT% is a better predictor of NBA 3P% than college 3P%.
College scoring is very misleading.
Improvements as a senior are discounted.
Quality of opponents is somehow normalized.
With each new year of draft data and the changing NBA, the actual formula gets tweaked with the newer results.
The former Ford lists, now Givony and Schmitz, is a hedge to include scouting, mathematically weighed by various factors. I believe scouting is weighted higher for the younger players, less for those with more data.
That's probably why he missed White, who not only improved as a senior, but also jumped up in competition level when he transfered to a PAC12 school.

[Drom John]

Fansided: Pippin Ain't Easy: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: Pre-Draft Lottery night mock
by Austin Carroll 1 day ago [AKA 12 May 2019]



19
Kevin Porter Jr.
SG USC
San Antonio Spurs

The Spurs are in a tricky situation here with clear holes in their game but no clear solutions. The best route here for San Antonio may be to just take the best player available in Kevin Porter Jr. and let Popovich work his magic.

The Spurs do have a crowded frontcourt, but Porter carries enough size to play minutes at the wing while letting Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, and Lonnie Walker handle ball-distribution duties. As a 41.2 percent shooter from deep in college, Porter could help usher in a new youthful era while veterans like Patty Mills and Marco Belinelli can take a back seat.



29
KZ Okpala
SF Stanford
San Antonio Spurs

These are not your Spurs of years past. Instead of unathletic players with high basketball IQ like Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, San Antonio is now filled to the brim with some of the best athletes in the world that are learning how to play effective team basketball.

KZ Okpala is somewhat of an untamed prospect. Okpala’s stringy frame and freak athleticism have the makings of a very good NBA player. But his game is very unpolished with major holes. There’s probably no one better suited at reining in Okpala’s raw talent and converting it into results than Greg Popovich. Also you’d be lying if you said imagining Okpala running the fast break with DeRozan and Aldridge doesn’t make you drool.

[Drom John]

CBS Sports: NBA Mock Draft 2019: Zion Williamson still the clear No. 1 selection just before the lottery
The Knicks, Cavaliers and Suns all have the samce chance at landing the top pick

Reid Forgrave mugshot
by Reid Forgrave @ReidForgrave May 10, 2019 at 3:19 pm ET


19
team logo
Spurs

Kevin Porter Jr. | USC | Fr | SG | 6-6 | 218

The main concern about Porter is the dreaded "character issues." I've heard that from every insider I've spoken with about Porter. What isn't a question is his basketball potential. Porter has the look of an NBA player, a six-foot-six dynamic athlete with the body of a Jimmy Butler. Pay attention at the combine next week; Porter could be one of those players who stands out. His interviews with front offices may be even more important, as his midseason suspension for "conduct issues" only furthered those concerns. The nurturing environment of the Spurs and the nurturing environment of San Antonio could put Porter on a positive path.


29
team logo
Spurs

Pick acquired via trade with Toronto

Matisse Thybulle | Washington | Sr | SG | 6-5 | 200

An elite and versatile defender who Gregg Popovich ought to love. The new Pac-12 career record holder for steals, Thybulle averaged 3.5 steals and 2.2 blocks per game this season in Washington's zone defense. He can shoot it from deep, too, shooting 36 percent from 3-point range in his career.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: 2019 NBA Mock Draft: 1st-Round Predictions for Landing Spots of Top Prospects
Steve Silverman
May 13, 2019


20. San Antonio Spurs: Grant Williams, PF, Tennessee


29. San Antonio Spurs (from Toronto): KZ Okpala, SF, Stanford

[Drom John]

NBA Sports: NBA mock draft 2019: Projected first-round picks from Nos. 1 to 30
By James Ham
By James Ham May 13, 2019 11:27 AM



19. Spurs: Sekou Doumbouya, F, Limoges CSP (France)

Doumbouya is long, athletic and has defensive potential at both forward positions. He’s going to need time to develop either in the NBA or overseas for another season or two. Sounds like a typical selection for San Antonio. They have two picks in the second half of the draft. Expect a foreign investment on at least one of those picks.




29. Spurs (from Raptors): Matisse Thybulle, SF, Washington

Thybulle is a seasoned 6-foot-6 brawler has a 7-foot wingspan. He has an NBA body, but he’ll need to improve as a shooter if he wants to become a 3-and-D wing at the next level. Landing in a spot like San Antonio gives him a chance to succeed.

[Drom John]

Pounding the Rock: Handicapping the Spurs’ 2019 draft picks (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/5/12/18410491/handicapping-the-spurs-2019-nba-draft-picks)
Beyond the first few picks, predicting who goes where in the NBA Draft is a crapshoot. Somehow, we cracked it.
By BrunoPassos@bouncepassos May 12, 2019, 7:25pm CDT

Linked above. Now worky.


And, finally, here’s how they correspond to projected availability. Consider this the only Spurs big board you’ll need next month.

Plausible.

[Dex]

Pounding the Rock: Handicapping the Spurs’ 2019 draft picks
Beyond the first few picks, predicting who goes where in the NBA Draft is a crapshoot. Somehow, we cracked it.
By BrunoPassos@bouncepassos May 12, 2019, 7:25pm CDT

Linked above.



Plausible.

Link no worky.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1128065857702309894


DeAndre Hunter, Chuma Okeke and Killian Tillie have withdrawn from the NBA Combine, the league office just informed all 30 teams that they will not be available for interviews tonight. Feel free to start speculating as to why (promises, etc).

[BWS-1994]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1128065857702309894


DeAndre Hunter, Chuma Okeke and Killian Tillie have withdrawn from the NBA Combine, the league office just informed all 30 teams that they will not be available for interviews tonight. Feel free to start speculating as to why (promises, etc).

Either a team with multiple 1sts or who can wait for Okeke to recover probably made that promise :spin

[BackHome]

OSo looking solid 3 spots open:
1. Gasol slot is open no problems
2. Cunningham contract ends I see no reason at all to keep him
3. Poindexter contract ends I see no reason to keep him though I would not be surprised if he joins Spurs staff
4. Metu low contract I would tell him it’s yours to loose but if we bring in someone who is better and outperforms you - goodbye

People I think we sign:
1. Nikola big bruising center we will see the Joker again next year
2. Ben Moore SF/PF athletic plays good defense great on the boards has good hands needs to work on his 3
3. 19 Draft player.
4. This gets tricky but I am thinking Draft Stash depending on who is available Luka or maybe even Okeke as he will be red shirted all year.

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1128065857702309894


DeAndre Hunter, Chuma Okeke and Killian Tillie have withdrawn from the NBA Combine, the league office just informed all 30 teams that they will not be available for interviews tonight. Feel free to start speculating as to why (promises, etc).

De'Andre Hunter doesn't have to. His stock is so high, I don't see how he could possibly move up based on his combine performance.

Okeke was never going to do anything at the combine but have some interviews anyway. If anyone said they would spend a first on him, why would he bother?

Killian Tillie? He probably got the feedback that he might not even be drafted. He should go back for his senior year, and probably will.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Pounding the Rock: Handicapping the Spurs’ 2019 draft picks (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/5/12/18410491/handicapping-the-spurs-2019-nba-draft-picks)
Beyond the first few picks, predicting who goes where in the NBA Draft is a crapshoot. Somehow, we cracked it.
By BrunoPassos@bouncepassos May 12, 2019, 7:25pm CDT



At first I didn't understand his conclusion. But I guess he's saying that of the players he thinks might be available at 19, he rates Hachmura highest. Well, yeah. I think if Hachimura is available, he's pretty much a no-brainer, compared to everyone else on the list. I have my doubts that he will be there, but if he is I think we see him in a Spurs uniform.

Dylan Windler is the shorter second-coming of Steve Novak. I just cringe every time I see his name mentioned.

Off of his list, I REALLY like Yovel Zoosman with the 49 pick. He doesn't even have Deividas Sirvydis on the list for 49, but if the Spurs are going to draft a prospect in the second round, I like Sirvydis as well or better than anyone he has on the list other than Zoosman. I'm a non-believer in Roby.

[palangi]

That's probably why he missed White, who not only improved as a senior, but also jumped up in competition level when he transfered to a PAC12 school.

We knew he needed some developing. Slow your role. You're a damn spazz

[Immortal Spur]

19 Nassir Little/ Rui Hachimure
29 Chuma Okeke/ Goga Bitadze
49 Luke Samanic

That's where I'm at right now.

[cd021]

19 Nassir Little/ Rui Hachimure
29 Chuma Okeke/ Goga Bitadze
49 Luke Samanic

That's where I'm at right now.

Little may be around 19 but Rui has been consistently mocked around 10-19, mostly in the early teens.

Bitidze is looking like he will be around 19 and Okeke at 29 should be there but I don't know if I love that pick when Roby should be available and isn't coming off a major injury.

Personally, PJ Washington, Bitidze, or Rui-if he falls, with the 19th and Roby at 29.

[BackHome]

19 Nassir Little/ Rui Hachimure
29 Chuma Okeke/ Goga Bitadze
49 Luke Samanic

That's where I'm at right now.

I would Love that !! Do It RC :flag:

[look_at_g_shred]

would like for wash/miami/cha to get the #1 pick

[Dejounte]

19 Grant Williams
29 KZ Okpala

[timvp]

So we have to hope for the Knicks to win the draft lottery, right? That should improve the chances of the Knicks drawing a few superstars to the East (Durant, especially).

Worst case scenario is Zion ending up in the West.

[Phenomanul]

So we have to hope for the Knicks to win the draft lottery, right? That should improve the chances of the Knicks drawing a few superstars to the East (Durant, especially).

Worst case scenario is Zion ending up in the West.

The Knicks winning the lottery would look too "rigged" though... After the "frozen envelope" scenario that landed them a chance to draft Patrick Ewing the Knicks franchise has had "terrible" drafting... :lol I also believe that Porzingis was a great draft choice but somehow they mishandled him to the point where he sought to be traded.

[ace3g]

1. Pelicans
2. Grizzlies
3. Knicks
4. Lakers
5. Cavs

[rasuo214]

Pelicans winning is a good scenario, more likely they'll try to keep AD now. Also not the Lakers so that's a huge positive.

[james evans]

Trade depression and lamarsha for picks 8 and 10 to Atlanta. Throw in mills too.

[spurs1990]

At least the division won’t be affected by these lottery results

[GreekSpursfan]

We're not in the lottery so there is no good scenario for us either way.

[Degoat]

Kinda BS that the Lakers got a top 4 pick though, they’ll trade it though since they’re a dumb franchise lol

[NickiRasgo]

Lakers @ #4? How?

[Realdeal1]

I was gonna be so pissed if lakers won the lottery ! Still sucks they got 4th .. at least now New York and lakers missed out on zion so they can't dangle the #1 pick in a trade for Davis

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1128466777615286273

[slick'81]

Wonder how this affects ad staying with the pels

[Degoat]

Could be wrong but how do you go back on a trade request lol I think AD will be to prideful to do that

[GreekSpursfan]

https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1128466777615286273

Shady as fuck and i love it.

[GusT15]

Lakers @ #4? How?

Post about the Lakers Draft from early March.


Just wait til the Lakers defy odds and win the lottery/the Zion sweepstakes.


Nah,they wouldn't dare fix something like that at the 1% odd the Lakers will have.

They could gift them a top4 pick however.#3 sounds about right.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277992&page=4

We knew it was gonna happen.

[GreekSpursfan]

Media are insufferable as it is, imagine if LA or NY got Zion, thanks god it didn't happen.

[Dennis the Menace]

This Silver’s way of making amends to the Pelicans for victim of tampering?

[DPG21920]

God, SW Division is insane.

[DPG21920]

I about died when it looked like LA was on a path for #1. But #4 is big for them and puts them in a better spot to land a star. Hopefully, it isn’t enough to get AD, but we will see.

[rasuo214]

Lakers @ #4? How?

At least it wasn't a top 3 pick so they'll miss out on Zion, Morant and RJ.

[slick'81]

At least it wasn't a top 3 pick so they'll miss out on Zion, Morant and RJ.


Are we surprised they "fell" into the top 5 tbh

[bluebellmaniac]

DDR for the #4 pick...

[Nathan89]

Damnit just found out Spurs stayed in the 19th position.

[Ron Swanson]

DDR for the #4 pick...

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xTiTnkCSkEeBijjq00/giphy.gif

[r0drig0lac]

DDR for the #4 pick...

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPIZXsgAYE3SNvW/giphy.gif

[timvp]

So we have to hope for the Knicks to win the draft lottery, right? That should improve the chances of the Knicks drawing a few superstars to the East (Durant, especially).

Worst case scenario is Zion ending up in the West.

Yeah, so of course three of the top four picks are going West :td

[TDMVPDPOY]

Yeah, so of course three of the top four picks are going West :td

always the same teams getting lottery picks in consecutive y ears, they should do something about repeat tankers

[cutewizard]

Spurs should tank too

[kobyz]

I just heard a rumour from reliable source that the Spurs planning to use the #49 pick on Yovel Zosman and stash him..

[Twisted_Dawg]

Yeah, so of course three of the top four picks are going West :td

But it's only for 4 years, until the networks, Nike, and the league powers get Zion moved back east to NY. Look for Zion to announce in the middle of his fourth year that he is not signing an extension with NOLA.

[cutewizard]

I just heard a rumour from reliable source that the Spurs planning to use the #49 pick on Yovel Zosman and stash him..


Does he have potential?

[kobyz]

Does he have potential?

His potential is poor man Sean Battier or a Joe Ingles with better defense, less court vision...

[look_at_g_shred]

Yeah, so of course three of the top four picks are going West :td
With the top 2 picks going to our division..not to mention already having luca in it too :td

[Degoat]

I’m a little skeptical on how good Zion could be, I think the media is hyping him up to much lol he’s a freak athlete but all I see is a Julius randle Clone

[exstatic]

I’m a little skeptical on how good Zion could be, I think the media is hyping him up to much lol he’s a freak athlete but all I see is a Julius randle Clone

Julius Randle, once he escaped LA, was pretty damn good.

You people still think this is the 90s. There are no instant franchise players in the draft anymore. LeBron was the last one, and that was 2003. It's all about development, and that can be done with #1 overall or #15. You still have to draft the BPA, though, and that's Zion.

[duncan2150]

Does he have potential?

euro scouts have a good opinion of him.

[duncan2150]

I’m a little skeptical on how good Zion could be, I think the media is hyping him up to much lol he’s a freak athlete but all I see is a Julius randle Clone

he is more complete than randle imo, can drive at ease, made some defensive plays, only his shot is a work in progress.

[Degoat]

Julius Randle, once he escaped LA, was pretty damn good.

You people still think this is the 90s. There are no instant franchise players in the draft anymore. LeBron was the last one, and that was 2003. It's all about development, and that can be done with #1 overall or #15. You still have to draft the BPA, though, and that's Zion.

im not saying randle isn’t a good player, but I see people acting like zion is the next Lebron. If he ends up like randle or better great! But you could say he has some josh smith in his game too lol which isn’t very appealing for a #1 pick

[picnroll]

I expect Williamson to be along the lines of Charles Barkley with better defense.

[R. DeMurre]

I just heard a rumour from reliable source that the Spurs planning to use the #49 pick on Yovel Zosman and stash him..

How does this source know? Connected to the Spurs' organization?

[Jules_Winnfield]

With the top 2 picks going to our division..not to mention already having luca in it too :td

JJJ

[exstatic]

I expect Williamson to be along the lines of Charles Barkley with better defense.

That would be a pretty damn high ceiling. I think he does need to drop some weight, though, or it will shorten his career due to excess stress on muscles and ligaments. 285 lbs is far too heavy for someone 6'7".

[picnroll]

That would be a pretty damn high ceiling. I think he does need to drop some weight, though, or it will shorten his career due to excess stress on muscles and ligaments. 285 lbs is far too heavy for someone 6'7".

285 was what Barkley came into the league at minus the muscle. Lol

[exstatic]

285 was what Barkley came into the league at minus the muscle. Lol

Barkley's career was shortened by that, compared to other more normally proportioned big men. He played 16 years, but his last four were 53,68,42,20 games. He literally fell apart physically, right in front of our eyes.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I just heard a rumour from reliable source that the Spurs planning to use the #49 pick on Yovel Zosman and stash him..


I don't now about "reliable sources". I've got a few, and they're wrong just about as often as the rest of us. But Zoosman did an interview where he said that he is open to getting drafted and then spending a couple more years with Maccabi. And Maccabi wants him back. But then again, he said that he plans to keep the number 50 for the rest of his career, so that would rule the Spurs out. :lol

Zoosman would be a good choice at 49, but he still needs a year in the G-League or Maccabi to prepare. Mostly he needs to learn to be more aggressive. He's been a boy among men at Maccabi. And while he held his own, he deferred on offense way too much.

Zoosman and Max Strus are still the two that I think might be worthwhile with that 49 pick. They both have a chance to flourish in the Spurs system (Austin).

[duncan2150]

Kerry Blackshear Jr. has been making his rounds as he prepares for this years NBA Draft. After working out with the San Antonio Spurs, he made his way to Los Angeles for a workout with the Lakers (https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/content/virginia-techs-forward-blackshear-jr-gets-a-workout-with-the-spurs)

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1128747643377680384


Damn. I didn't think he's an NBA player but those measurements are ridiculous. He's gotta get drafted, right? Has some value in a third center, Boban-esque role, I'd image.

[Strategic]

With the top 2 picks going to our division..not to mention already having luca in it too :td

At least Houston doesn’t get a pick at all and Dallas has to wait til 37th.

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1128747643377680384


Damn. I didn't think he's an NBA player but those measurements are ridiculous. He's gotta get drafted, right? Has some value in a third center, Boban-esque role, I'd image.

2nd round fodder yeah but hell be in the g league though

[Thomas82]

I expect Williamson to be along the lines of Charles Barkley with better defense.

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to school since the Pelicans got the No. 1 pick.

[Degoat]

No way Zion goes back to school, if he does he’s insane! Guaranteed money, being #1 pick guaranteed (could get hurt in college) shoe deal will also probably be the biggest shoe deal of any rookie coming into the league

[MoSpur02]

Supposedly Kerry Blackshear Jr worked out for the Spurs. I like his game.

[Dejounte]

Luka Semanic destroyed the combine. Maybe there really is something there.

[Dejounte]

New big board (for players likey there at Spurs picks)
1. Bol Bol
2. Grant Williams
3. KZ Okpala
4. Tie between Luka Samanic / Jontay Porter (unique skill for their height)
5. Tie between Rui Hachimura / Eric Paschall (basically the same type of player, with an edge to Eric for his defense)
6. Brandon Clarke (measurables killed him. Odds are against him to reach success)
7. Tie between Louis King / Isaiah Roby (both gleague level players at this point)

[Realdeal1]

According to Clan the Spurs fan ... Spurs looking to trade 19th and 29th picks for a top 12 pick .. possibly Atlanta or Charlotte pick

[Dejounte]

According to Clan the Spurs fan ... Spurs looking to trade 19th and 29th picks for a top 12 pick .. possibly Atlanta or Charlotte pick

Who the hell is Clan? Why would he be reliable?

[bluebellmaniac]

Who the hell is Clan? Why would he be reliable?

TSpence's alt tbh...

[exstatic]

Tankathon's Big Board and Mock updated, post day 1 combine.

http://www.tankathon.com/

[lmbebo]

Who the hell is Clan? Why would he be reliable?

Wonder who they would be targeting? Cam Reddish if he drops? To secure Doumbouya?

[exstatic]

Wonder who they would be targeting? Cam Reddish if he drops? To secure Doumbouya?

It's a ridiculous concept, unless there are more pieces involved. You're essentially trying to use #29 to move up at least 7 spots from #19 into the top 12.

[duncan2150]

i'm not that high on the idea of moving up 7 spots by using 19 and 29. maybe i'm wrong but there are a lot of prospects who could be good at 19 and 29. All depends of the target.

[DPG21920]

I am kind of hoping SA can work with ATL on their 10th pick and move up for someone in that range. Brandon Clarke or Reddish or if things really go great Hunter.

Not sure if 19 & 29 would do it, but one would think ATL would be open to moving 10 for two other firsts.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to school since the Pelicans got the No. 1 pick.

I will bet you $10,000 that doesn’t happen.

[pad300]

I am kind of hoping SA can work with ATL on their 10th pick and move up for someone in that range. Brandon Clarke or Reddish or if things really go great Hunter.

Not sure if 19 & 29 would do it, but one would think ATL would be open to moving 10 for two other firsts.

I doubt it. They already have 8. Adding 19 and 29 would be 3 rookies next season; probably a few too many for a team looking to start moving into contention with Trae Young and John Collins...

[DPG21920]

I doubt it. They already have 8. Adding 19 and 29 would be 3 rookies next season; probably a few too many for a team looking to start moving into contention with Trae Young and John Collins...

They could use all the assets and in pretty much any sport, trading back usually ends up being the most valuable thing you can do.

Especially if you don’t have anyone you love more than others in that range. Future picks work to; it’s about asset accumulation. Look at what BOS was able to do with that strategy. Trading for stars is always easier when you have a trove of first rounders.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Have any of you seen the combine agility numbers for Jordan Bone? Holy shit! First in all the runs, first in standing vert, and second in max vert. I didn't pay any attention to him at Tennessee, but damn he's fast. He shot .525 on 2P attempts, and .355 on 3P attempts, and dished 5.8 AST per game. But he's a 6'1.5" shooting guard.

I wonder if he can learn culture?

[exstatic]

I doubt it. They already have 8. Adding 19 and 29 would be 3 rookies next season; probably a few too many for a team looking to start moving into contention with Trae Young and John Collins...

They're 3-4 years away from actual contention. They haven't even made the playoffs yet. They supposedly want to move back to select Thybulle and Garland. 19 and 29 ain't gonna pull that.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd rather pick 2 players. The talent level is pretty even and Spurs need to stack the team with players 24 and under so they are all on the same timeline and can be a contender in a few years. If they can ship out some salary to open cap space I'm all for it though

[Thomas82]

I will bet you $10,000 that doesn’t happen.

The more I think about it, the more I don't believe it will happen.