NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[SpurPadre]

Nothing available would have put them in that next tier of teams, so might as well maintain flexibility instead of giving up assets.

That's the kind of mindset that has kept us from winning it all in 5 years and one of the main reasons why we've never repeated.

[Hoops Czar]

It would be impossible for him to do worse than he did in Orlando, he's having one of the worst seasons in recent history:lol

Simmons did one thing that Kawhi couldn't... helped to land Fultz in a trade.

[TD 21]

- In a results oriented business, the usual suspects got done what they wanted to and the Spurs once again failed. There was no sense of trading for DeRozan and having a veteran core only to not give them a puncher's chance at a decent playoff run and they could have done it without mortgaging the future.

- The Gasol trade makes no sense. Naturally, it's being overhyped because everything Raptors is now and he's a former star, but most would be criticized for taking on a declining, outdated big, reverting to more two big lineups, decimating perimeter depth and further altering once strong chemistry.

- The Grizzlies should have received prospects/picks. Not solid, young vets, who help decrease the odds of top 3-5 picks. Getting the corpse of Bradley instead of picks for Green and Temple was another fail.

- Mirotic isn't the name Harris or Gasol are, but he was the best pickup. Lopez probably can't play significant minutes deep in the playoffs, but he can. Media is too busy slurping Raptors to notice them though.

- Fultz is worth a shot for the Magic, even though I have zero confidence in his amounting to anything and wouldn't be surprised if he washes out of the league soon.

- More great work by the Clippers and surprisingly good work by the Pelicans.

[pad300]

Nothing available would have put them in that next tier of teams, so might as well maintain flexibility instead of giving up assets.

The only issue I have with that, is what they have actually done by remaining pat is LOSE flexibility, by letting Pau's contract expire as an asset.

[objective]

Nobody in the west is competing with the Warriors this year, which is why you saw no west teams make big moves. All the big moves were done in the east.

Those upset over the Spurs not making any moves ... what did you want them to do? No good wings on the market traded hands. And paying someone to take on Gasol? The Spurs will operate over the cap anyway in the offseason so lose nothing by cutting him.

They’re right at the cap with Gasol’s full salary. Take out $9.3 million of that and you’re below the cap, but need to account for Gay’s cap hold.

Most likely outcome is they retain Gay with his early bird rights and stay over the cap. Then use full MLE on someone else (not the room MLE), and then cut Gasol and save.

Instead of moving pieces to have PLAYER X (Porter, Prince,) + the MLE this summer

They will now have NOTHING + MLE

They were constrained to the MLE either way. Better to have had a player + MLE than nothing + MLE.

[Jay.From.NbTx]

Meanwhile RC is recovering from a hangover ....
probly forgot the deadline was today ...

[Chomag]

No worries guys Spurs will draw in those good free agents! Oh wait....

[sasaint]

Who would want either of them?:lol

It's a very short list of teams that are content with being a middling team right now..Spurs are one of them, since Pop is nearing retirement..

Overstatement for a chuckle. Both of those guys could have been moved - just not for the return craved by most posters. (and PATFO?)

Yeah, I just want some new blood running the show - some people who still are driven to get to the top. The right thing for Pop to have done was retire immediately after last season. Let a new regime begin to mold the franchise at that pivotal moment. The next right thing would be for Pop to retire after this season. But I thoroughly expect him to "honor" the remainder of his contract. He will leave the Spurs as the Portland of Texas.

[Hoops Czar]

Overstatement for a chuckle. Both of those guys could have been moved - just not for the return craved by most posters. (and PATFO?)

Yeah, I just want some new blood running the show - some people who still are driven to get to the top. The right thing for Pop to have done was retire immediately after last season. Let a new regime begin to mold the franchise at that pivotal moment. The next right thing would be for Pop to retire after this season. But I thoroughly expect him to "honor" the remainder of his contract. He will leave the Spurs as the Portland of Texas.

Just like Dwight Howard couldn't be traded or Carmelo Anthony or Otto Porter or fill in the blank with the awful contract..... The Spurs desperately need a GM that gets things done instead of a personal secretary to the head coach who's been mailing it in for years.

[TD 21]

Overstatement for a chuckle. Both of those guys could have been moved - just not for the return craved by most posters. (and PATFO?)

Yeah, I just want some new blood running the show - some people who still are driven to get to the top. The right thing for Pop to have done was retire immediately after last season. Let a new regime begin to mold the franchise at that pivotal moment. The next right thing would be for Pop to retire after this season. But I thoroughly expect him to "honor" the remainder of his contract. He will leave the Spurs as the Portland of Texas.

This has become probably the most stale organization in the league. Even the Knicks and Kings are getting out of the dark ages.

The majority of things they used to abide by should have been thrown out the window. Until they start realizing that they're now just another team (basically, a rich man's Hornets or Pistons) and need to play by the rules that most do, they're not going anywhere.

Things like character, chemistry, continuity, culture, leadership, "system", etc., people don't cares about these things. They'll give lip service to it, but look who's hot at the moment: Celtics, Rockets, Raptors, etc., teams that are cut throat, never satisfied and treat the players like meat.

[sasaint]

This has become probably the most stale organization in the league. Even the Knicks and Kings are getting out of the dark ages.

The majority of things they used to abide by should have been thrown out the window. Until they start realizing that they're now just another team (basically, a rich man's Hornets or Pistons) and need to play by the rules that most do, they're not going anywhere.

Things like character, chemistry, continuity, culture, leadership, "system", etc., people don't cares about these things. They'll give lip service to it, but look who's hot at the moment: Celtics, Rockets, Raptors, etc., teams that are cut throat, never satisfied and treat the players like meat.

There is some kind of happy medium. The things you mention are not entirely negligible. But "loyalty" to the likes of Pau or even Patty (although I don't hate him like many here) is simply ridiculous. And how does that "loyalty" jibe with what the team did with Danny?

DeMar mucking things up on the court, and he is an expensive redundancy. When Dijon returns we should have a guard rotation that does not need DeMar. And we can get by without him this season. With or without him the Spurs aren't contenders this season. I bet the guy's winshare this season is a wash. How does continuing to pay him make sense? Be a little bold; make a move for the benefit of the future.

[HarlemHeat37]

Overstatement for a chuckle. Both of those guys could have been moved - just not for the return craved by most posters. (and PATFO?)

Yeah, I just want some new blood running the show - some people who still are driven to get to the top. The right thing for Pop to have done was retire immediately after last season. Let a new regime begin to mold the franchise at that pivotal moment. The next right thing would be for Pop to retire after this season. But I thoroughly expect him to "honor" the remainder of his contract. He will leave the Spurs as the Portland of Texas.

They could have been moved, but like you said, the return wouldn't have been good..it's a short list of teams that would want them and it would be teams that have put themselves in a terrible position(like the Wizards or Heat, etc)

The Spurs put themselves in a position where they built a team around those guys in an attempt to remain relevant..nobody is trading anything special for either of them, so they mean more to the Spurs than anything they could get back, unfortunately..

[ceperez]

There is some kind of happy medium. The things you mention are not entirely negligible. But "loyalty" to the likes of Pau or even Patty (although I don't hate him like many here) is simply ridiculous. And how does that "loyalty" jibe with what the team did with Danny?

DeMar mucking things up on the court, and he is an expensive redundancy. When Dijon returns we should have a guard rotation that does not need DeMar. And we can get by without him this season. With or without him the Spurs aren't contenders this season. I bet the guy's winshare this season is a wash. How does continuing to pay him make sense? Be a little bold; make a move for the benefit of the future.

I get why the Spurs kept Patty. Guys like Forbes are learning a lot from him.

Now Gasol, I've got zero idea because centers aren't usually good mentors.

Give Derozan the benefit of the doubt. It's just his first year. He's going to still get better next year. Look at Aldridge. He's playing better than ever.

Spurs are a small market team and the best that they can do is buy players on the cheap and develop them further.

The real problem of the Spurs is that their basketball organization knowledge has spread throughout the league. Warriors (Kerr, Brown), Jazz (Snyder), Bucks (Bud), Nets (Marks), OKC (Presti), 76ers (Brent Brown), Hornets (Borrego).

[John B]

This has become probably the most stale organization in the league. Even the Knicks and Kings are getting out of the dark ages.

The majority of things they used to abide by should have been thrown out the window. Until they start realizing that they're now just another team (basically, a rich man's Hornets or Pistons) and need to play by the rules that most do, they're not going anywhere.

Things like character, chemistry, continuity, culture, leadership, "system", etc., people don't cares about these things. They'll give lip service to it, but look who's hot at the moment: Celtics, Rockets, Raptors, etc., teams that are cut throat, never satisfied and treat the players like meat.
Celtics, Rockets, Raptors. How many championships in the last 10 years? Boston 1, Rockets 0, Raps not even close. I’m also frustrated with PATFO standing pat when everybody’s cramming to add another player, and I hope, for goodness sake, Spurs make a bold move for once, but nope they take the conservative route and not the short-cut detour. But surprisingly they get there by the end of the day. Arguably we would’ve been on the hunt if not for that effing nephew. If not for the Patriots getting another trophy, we would’ve been the best professional sports organization for the last 20 years. 2nd now imo. 9-10 teams who made moves today, will see those players traded next year or so. Spurs does not flinch, but make calculated educated moves. It’s boring, but being in a small market, is there any other way? It’s the safest way. Being frugal and not extravagant. I guess I always just trust the Pop/RC way. It’s not always sexy, but I’ve enjoyed the 5 trophies so far. I still hope we get that elusive 3 and D from the buyout. Next year when Dubs finally imploded, Spurs will be there. For now Spurs weather the storm. GSG!

[sasaint]

They could have been moved, but like you said, the return wouldn't have been good..it's a short list of teams that would want them and it would be teams that have put themselves in a terrible position(like the Wizards or Heat, etc)

The Spurs put themselves in a position where they built a team around those guys in an attempt to remain relevant..nobody is trading anything special for either of them, so they mean more to the Spurs than anything they could get back, unfortunately..

I think the return would have been good in my opinion. I proposed a DeRozan + Toronto's first for OPJ and the Wiz's 1st. The Wiz would have probably done that or something close. But many here (including you?) disparage OPJ. Yet he is a better than average player at a position of need with a desired skillset. That would be much better than an expensive redundancy like DeMar. And I can live with the idea that we gave up a guy who was an "all-star" at one time who doesn't fit with the team very well.

[ceperez]

Celtics, Rockets, Raptors. How many championships in the last 10 years? Boston 1, Rockets 0, Raps not even close. I’m also frustrated with PATFO standing pat when everybody’s cramming to add another player, and I hope, for goodness sake, Spurs make a bold move for once, but nope they take the conservative route and not the short-cut detour. But surprisingly they get there by the end of the day. Arguably we would’ve been on the hunt if not for that effing nephew. If not for the Patriots getting another trophy, we would’ve been the best professional sports organization for the last 20 years. 2nd now imo. 9-10 teams who made moves today, will see those players traded next year or so. Spurs does not flinch, but make calculated educated moves. It’s boring, but being in a small market, is there any other way? It’s the safest way. Being frugal and not extravagant. I guess I always just trust the Pop/RC way. It’s not always sexy, but I’ve enjoyed the 5 trophies so far. I still hope we get that elusive 3 and D from the buyout. Next year when Dubs finally imploded, Spurs will be there. For now Spurs weather the storm. GSG!

Yeah... small market team needs to do things differently. Now if Spurs move to perhaps Seattle, then it'll be entirely different.

[ceperez]

There is some kind of happy medium. The things you mention are not entirely negligible. But "loyalty" to the likes of Pau or even Patty (although I don't hate him like many here) is simply ridiculous. And how does that "loyalty" jibe with what the team did with Danny?

DeMar mucking things up on the court, and he is an expensive redundancy. When Dijon returns we should have a guard rotation that does not need DeMar. And we can get by without him this season. With or without him the Spurs aren't contenders this season. I bet the guy's winshare this season is a wash. How does continuing to pay him make sense? Be a little bold; make a move for the benefit of the future.

I think you discount Derozan's potential.

[cjw]

Instead of moving pieces to have PLAYER X (Porter, Prince,) + the MLE this summer

They will now have NOTHING + MLE

They were constrained to the MLE either way. Better to have had a player + MLE than nothing + MLE.

This is a false premise. What were you going to get for Gasol? You were going to have to give up assets to move off his deal. So it’s not Nothing + MLE, or Something + MLE. You have to subtract assets from part 2.

Adding a MLE guy to this team ain’t bad. And they can trade Gasol in the offseason too! Though cap figures are tougher then because of matching issue.

[acoelho1]

Celtics, Rockets, Raptors. How many championships in the last 10 years? Boston 1, Rockets 0, Raps not even close. I’m also frustrated with PATFO standing pat when everybody’s cramming to add another player, and I hope, for goodness sake, Spurs make a bold move for once, but nope they take the conservative route and not the short-cut detour. But surprisingly they get there by the end of the day. Arguably we would’ve been on the hunt if not for that effing nephew. If not for the Patriots getting another trophy, we would’ve been the best professional sports organization for the last 20 years. 2nd now imo. 9-10 teams who made moves today, will see those players traded next year or so. Spurs does not flinch, but make calculated educated moves. It’s boring, but being in a small market, is there any other way? It’s the safest way. Being frugal and not extravagant. I guess I always just trust the Pop/RC way. It’s not always sexy, but I’ve enjoyed the 5 trophies so far. I still hope we get that elusive 3 and D from the buyout. Next year when Dubs finally imploded, Spurs will be there. For now Spurs weather the storm. GSG!

+1000. Trust in the process. The Spurs are methodical in their approach and allow our young guys to develop.

[BlackAndWhite]

Should the spurs get Enes Kanter or Wes Matthews?

[ceperez]

This is a false premise. What were you going to get for Gasol? You were going to have to give up assets to move off his deal. So it’s not Nothing + MLE, or Something + MLE. You have to subtract assets from part 2.

Adding a MLE guy to this team ain’t bad. And they can trade Gasol in the offseason too! Though cap figures are tougher then because of matching issue.

Let's get real here.... there are a ton of free agents this offseason. Most of the guys that got traded had expiring contracts.... Mirotic, Gasol, Porzingis, Harris, Hood,...

[ceperez]

Should the spurs get Enes Kanter or Wes Matthews?

Matthews is heading for the Pacers. I will not be surprised if Kanter plays for OKC.

[Play Boban]

Kanter is intriguing but I'd hate to stunt Poeltl's growth and playing time.

[GreekSpursfan]

Kanter is a huge defensive liability, i would go with RoLo and Ellington but i dont see anything happening if contending teams go after them. I read somewhere that Toronto needs 3 players to fill the roster, i'm pretty sure they're gonna get a few of them.

[ceperez]

Kanter is intriguing but I'd hate to stunt Poeltl's growth and playing time.

That's the problem. Spurs real need is a 3-D player.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1093609424453660672

Any takers??

He passes the eye test, but man, his advanced stats just suck across the board. In six seasons, in the categories of OBPM, DBPM, AND BPM, he’s only had one positive year, and that was like positive 0.1 for OBPM, out off 18 possible squares with values, over 6 seasons. His highest PER is less than 11. He grades out as less than a replacement level player.

[Genovaswitness]

how cucked is this team that we're basically bottom feeding off of flunkies? remember when we were at least thought of as being able to make moves at the trade deadline..

[sasaint]

I get why the Spurs kept Patty. Guys like Forbes are learning a lot from him.

Now Gasol, I've got zero idea because centers aren't usually good mentors.

Give Derozan the benefit of the doubt. It's just his first year. He's going to still get better next year. Look at Aldridge. He's playing better than ever.

Spurs are a small market team and the best that they can do is buy players on the cheap and develop them further.

The real problem of the Spurs is that their basketball organization knowledge has spread throughout the league. Warriors (Kerr, Brown), Jazz (Snyder), Bucks (Bud), Nets (Marks), OKC (Presti), 76ers (Brent Brown), Hornets (Borrego).

I admit that I get Patty. I am on record saying he was the new team leader over a year ago. And I am actually okay with that. I wish he weren't so streaky, but if he weren't he'd be elsewhere making a lot more money. I am on record as liking Forbes. And I think he will improve some. DeRozan, even though a first year Spur, is simply an expensive redundancy. Even if he improves next season, he is still going to be a mid-range player who needs the ball. We have a younger, better guy who handles the ball better, sets up others (especially LMA) as well, if not better, and who can shoot the 3. We need a three-point shooting SG to pair with White. Perhaps Dijon can develop (has developed?) a 3-ball, but DeMar is not apt to.

I understand the small market team constraint. That makes it seem even more important to move DeMar. LMA is playing better than ever with White in the line-up, btw. Coincidence? I think not.

Pop's tree is, indeed, impressive. And I am happy to see them enjoy success. But they have taken what they learned from Pop and grown past their mentor. Time to bring one of them home, tbh.

[ceperez]

how cucked is this team that we're basically bottom feeding off of flunkies? remember when we were at least thought of as being able to make moves at the trade deadline..

Beggars can't be choosers.

Spurs are a small market team that thrives by scraping at the bottom of the barrel.

If teams are ditching 22 year olds because they've never learned to play organized basketball, then PATFO should at least kick the tires and see who can learn how to play.

Where do you think the Spurs found a player like Forbes? Or Mills? Or White? Or Bertans?

[XDT76]

This has become probably the most stale organization in the league. Even the Knicks and Kings are getting out of the dark ages.

The majority of things they used to abide by should have been thrown out the window. Until they start realizing that they're now just another team (basically, a rich man's Hornets or Pistons) and need to play by the rules that most do, they're not going anywhere.

Things like character, chemistry, continuity, culture, leadership, "system", etc., people don't cares about these things. They'll give lip service to it, but look who's hot at the moment: Celtics, Rockets, Raptors, etc., teams that are cut throat, never satisfied and treat the players like meat.

How many championships did these cut throat teams have the last 10 years?

[sasaint]

I think you discount Derozan's potential.

Regardless of his potential, he is post-prime and expensive. We would have a very good backcourt without him, and his money would be better spent on a starting SF.

[XDT76]

Beggars can't be choosers.

Spurs are a small market team that thrives by scraping at the bottom of the barrel.

If teams are ditching 22 year olds because they've never learned to play organized basketball, then PATFO should at least kick the tires and see who can learn how to play.

Nobody wanna trade with the Spurs, if a player is not wanted by Spurs that player normally failed to be successful in any other team.

[UnWantedTheory]

That's the kind of mindset that has kept us from winning it all in 5 years and one of the main reasons why we've never repeated.

It's common sense. Don't overpay just for the sake of doing something.

[Leetonidas]

It's common sense. Don't overpay just for the sake of doing something.

Naw man if we traded for Otto porter we definitely would have beat the Warriors by 30+ tbh

[Russ]

In a results oriented business, the usual suspects got done what they wanted to and the Spurs once again failed.

* * * * *

- More great work by the Clippers and surprisingly good work by the Pelicans.

Maybe so.

But all in all, I'll take 5 titles over zero (Clippers) plus zero (Pelicans and their previous names).

[r0drig0lac]

Vince killing the raptors

[GusT15]

Vince killing the raptors

Taurean Prince killing the Raptors.19 points,5/6 from 3,lockdown defense on fat Lowry.(Hawks up 8 at half,were up by 17)

[paperboy77]

Either no one wants to deal with FO or players just hate shitty San Antonio... how the hell are all these other teams getting decent players for nothing! We coulda used Corey Brewer for example. Maybe everyone is not board with Pops political bullshit?

[RC_Drunkford]

Either no one wants to deal with FO or players just hate shitty San Antonio... how the hell are all these other teams getting decent players for nothing! We coulda used Corey Brewer for example. Maybe everyone is not board with Pops political bullshit?

that and also Pop does not want 80% of the players that are playing in the NBA cause they not over themselves and care about individual stats

[YGWHI]

The Gasol trade makes no sense. Naturally, it's being overhyped because everything Raptors is now and he's a former star, but most would be criticized for taking on a declining, outdated big, reverting to more two big lineups, decimating perimeter depth and further altering once strong chemistry.

- Mirotic isn't the name Harris or Gasol are, but he was the best pickup. Lopez probably can't play significant minutes deep in the playoffs, but he can. Media is too busy slurping Raptors to notice them though.

Nah. Most media said Bucks won this day. Lopez-Mirotic 3-p shooting is gonna be crucial to Bucks success in playoffs.

Marc has been one of my fav players for years but he was really bad last 2 seasons. Masai would have preferred to get Conley but it's likely no one team wanted Lowry.

In long-term this trade makes no sense. JV is younger and can bring almost everything this old version of Marc does. But this is a win-now move. At some point, what Marc gives in term of leadership will be important. He could be a security blanket for Raptors when Lowry starts to choke hard...

I guess Raptors' FO expects Kawhi Marc and Danny can hide Lowry-Ibaka choke-gene...We'll see.

Yep. "StayStrongDemps" "SayNoToLakers" worked. The best thing of these crazy tradeline.

[gambit1990]

looking forward to seeing the raptors play at full strength. they got something they needed, a big man who can provide more reliability than serge/jonas.

[gambit1990]

people were buzzing about philly but are butler and joel excited about getting less touches?

[Duncan87]

PATFO didn’t trade for nothing cause they knew this squad as constructed can even win a playoff game

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I was hoping the team could snag Stanley Johnson for cheap. The guy is still young and a solid defender. He does have a broken shot but he is young enough to fix that and be a cheap option for the future

[ceperez]

I was hoping the team could snag Stanley Johnson for cheap. The guy is still young and a solid defender. He does have a broken shot but he is young enough to fix that and be a cheap option for the future

The last I heard was he ended up with the Pelicans. He's an expiring contract, so Spurs can just wait and snag him cheap in the off-season. But if they get him now, they can start work on refurbishing him before signing him up next year. These washed up lottery picks are in fact, a dime a dozen!

[GreekSpursfan]

At this point there is no need to take anyone when the guys that you pay the most(LMA, DD) are playing like trash especially on defense but some would say all around. I love Pop but he needs to retire and let this team do things the right way, the Hinkie way, tanking like crazy for a few seasons.

[ceperez]

At this point there is no need to take anyone when the guys that you pay the most(LMA, DD) are playing like trash especially on defense but some would say all around. I love Pop but he needs to retire and let this team do things the right way, the Hinkie way, tanking like crazy for a few seasons.

The Spurs aren't in a big market like the 76ers.

If you want that strategy to work, then perhaps the Spurs should move their arena to Seattle.

[GreekSpursfan]

The Spurs aren't in a big market like the 76ers.

If you want that strategy to work, then perhaps the Spurs should move their arena to Seattle.

Well, in order to get Timmy you had to tank. There is no other way imo, free agents are not coming here. Unless you want to stay mediocre for ever like Portland for example. If they can't handle two seasons of tanking then maybe they should move.

[exstatic]

Well, in order to get Timmy you had to tank. There is no other way imo, free agents are not coming here. Unless you want to stay mediocre for ever like Portland for example. If they can't handle two seasons of tanking then maybe they should move.

Philadelphia tanked for FIVE fucking years, and still has no LoB (or even Finals appearance) to show for it. Draft picks, even high ones, are a crap shoot. You may tank, just to find yourself back in mediocrity, and probably should have stayed in playoff mode anyway.

[Dverde]

Philadelphia tanked for FIVE fucking years, and still has no LoB (or even Finals appearance) to show for it. Draft picks, even high ones, are a crap shoot. You may tank, just to find yourself back in mediocrity, and probably should have stayed in playoff mode anyway.

Can you stop with the whole “it doesn’t matter where you draft, it’s who is doing the drafting” take? It’s retarded, like dumber than dirt.

[exstatic]

Can you stop with the whole “it doesn’t matter where you draft, it’s who is doing the drafting” take? It’s retarded, like dumber than dirt.

You responded with a take that had nothing to do with what I posted. I have literally NEVER said that it didn't matter where you drafted. I did provide multiple instances where PATFO drafted better at the end of the round than other teams did with repeated lottery picks. That was done to show the value of our picks to US. Dropping them on someone else's failed project has a lower chance of success than using them on a draft eligible player. I'm sorry that you're too impatient to wait for that to happen.

[R. DeMurre]

One tool the Spurs will have this summer for free agents is the sign and trade option. Someone like DeRozan won't have the straight up trade value he once might've had, but for a team looking at losing free agent, he's a good consolation prize.

I'm seeing a lot of praise for teams that are making moves but haven't won anything yet... we'll see how that pans out. There's an old John Wooden quote that comes to mind: "Don't mistake activity for achievement."

Philly tanked for half a decade. They're in 5th place in the East now, and just added Tobias Harris, who needs shots to be effective, and isn't a great defender.... Embiid and Butler have both already grumbled about getting enough shots this year. Their record is slightly better than San Antonio's, who've lost Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Green, and Leonard in the last two years. We'll see if The Process amounts to anything more than playoff appearances-- the thing that currently isn't good enough for some Spur fans. During the Philly tank era, the Spurs had a 67 win season, made the finals twice, and won a championship. Let's see if Philly has a comparable run from now until 2023 or so.

[r0drig0lac]

At this point there is no need to take anyone when the guys that you pay the most(LMA, DD) are playing like trash especially on defense but some would say all around. I love Pop but he needs to retire and let this team do things the right way, the Sean Marks (the best gm in the nba with Jerry West) way, tanking like crazy for a few seasons.

[GreekSpursfan]

Philadelphia tanked for FIVE fucking years, and still has no LoB (or even Finals appearance) to show for it. Draft picks, even high ones, are a crap shoot. You may tank, just to find yourself back in mediocrity, and probably should have stayed in playoff mode anyway.
If you draft well two years are enough, drafting was Hinkie's only weakness, he was bad at that, Noel, Okafor, some terrible stuff but he accumulated a lot of picks in those 5 years. Nobody said tanking is easy, it stinks but it's the only way to get out of being treadmill of mediocrity. You need an upper echelon talent to build around not LMA or DD.

[exstatic]

If you draft well two years are enough, drafting was Hinkie's only weakness, he was bad at that, Noel, Okafor, some terrible stuff but he accumulated a lot of picks in those 5 years. Nobody said tanking is easy, it stinks but it's the only way to get out of being treadmill of mediocrity. You need an upper echelon talent to build around not LMA or DD.

The DID hit on two players, Embiid and Simmons. In this day and age, you're not doing any better than that. They're STILL in the bottom half of the EC standings, struggling to climb up.

[TimDunkem]

If you draft well two years are enough, drafting was Hinkie's only weakness, he was bad at that, Noel, Okafor, some terrible stuff but he accumulated a lot of picks in those 5 years. Nobody said tanking is easy, it stinks but it's the only way to get out of being treadmill of mediocrity. You need an upper echelon talent to build around not LMA or DD.

Some Spurs fans really think fadeaway 2s will get it done.

[sasaint]

Some Spurs fans really think fadeaway 2s will get it done.

Some people also think Dijon is a PG and DWhite a good 6th man.

[GreekSpursfan]

RC is handcuffed by Pop because he wants to be in the playoffs, wants to compete, even if he knows that this is leading nowhere. RC is fine as a GM. Sean Marks hasn't proven nothing yet, D.Russell isn't good enough imo, Levert the same, can't build a championship team around those guys, they are complementary pieces but thats about it. S. Marks has done a very good job thus far but that was the easy part, now it gets a lot harder, now he will have more pressure, he's in the biggest market of the NBA, if no free agents go there he blew it imo. 7,8 seed in the East especially this year means nothing to me., first round exist via a sweep probably. Jerry West is on another lvl BUT and i had to use capitals there, he's in LA with a billionaire supporting him who's probably gave him all the people he needs and more as far as scouting and monitoring players but i agree about him, he's great either way.

[Clipper Nation]

Philadelphia tanked for FIVE fucking years, and still has no LoB (or even Finals appearance) to show for it. Draft picks, even high ones, are a crap shoot. You may tank, just to find yourself back in mediocrity, and probably should have stayed in playoff mode anyway.
The Sixers are at the beginning of their window with Embiid/Simmons. They have plenty of time to win a ring. And let's not forget how Silver derailed The Process midway through by forcing them to fire Hinkie and hire that buffoon Colangelo. If the league hadn't meddled in their rebuild, they'd probably be in an even better position than they are now.

Needless to say, I don't think anyone in Philly regrets giving up on their core of Jrue/Thad/Turner and the 35-win seasons that came with it.

[r0drig0lac]

RC is handcuffed by Pop because he wants to be in the playoffs, wants to compete, even if he knows that this is leading nowhere. RC is fine as a GM. Sean Marks hasn't proven nothing yet, D.Russell isn't good enough imo, Levert the same, can't build a championship team around those guys, they are complementary pieces but thats about it. S. Marks has done a very good job thus far but that was the easy part, now it gets a lot harder, now he will have more pressure, he's in the biggest market of the NBA, if no free agents go there he blew it imo. 7,8 seed in the East especially this year means nothing to me., first round exist via a sweep probably. Jerry West is on another lvl BUT and i had to use capitals there, he's in LA with a billionaire supporting him who's probably gave him all the people he needs and more as far as scouting and monitoring players but i agree about him, he's great either way.

you've just belittled everything that's being made by the other GM's and made excuses for RC (or Pop that's the real GM), that's just personal bias

[GreekSpursfan]

Some Spurs fans really think fadeaway 2s will get it done.

They want to stay optimistic and dont want to see their team stink for entire seasons. I agree with you but we have to see it from their prespective too. Big 3 are no more, its not easy to get over that, you try to hold on to something and thats what Pop is doing here but he has to except the facts too.

[GreekSpursfan]

you've just belittled everything that's being made by the other GM's and made excuses for RC (or Pop that's the real GM), that's just personal bias

Bellittle what, you think D.Russell and Levert and Spencer Dinwiddie are gonna break the NBA? I said he did a good job but the hard part is now. You think Pop's opinion isn't above RC's? I didnt make any excuses for Pop to the contrary, i said he still thinks he can do some things even though deep down he knows nothing will come out of this. You think Pop doesn't know? He's trying to build something for his successor but there is nothing to build around here, thats on him.

[sasaint]

RC is handcuffed by Pop because he wants to be in the playoffs, wants to compete, even if he knows that this is leading nowhere. RC is fine as a GM. Sean Marks hasn't proven nothing yet, D.Russell isn't good enough imo, Levert the same, can't build a championship team around those guys, they are complementary pieces but thats about it. S. Marks has done a very good job thus far but that was the easy part, now it gets a lot harder, now he will have more pressure, he's in the biggest market of the NBA, if no free agents go there he blew it imo. 7,8 seed in the East especially this year means nothing to me., first round exist via a sweep probably. Jerry West is on another lvl BUT and i had to use capitals there, he's in LA with a billionaire supporting him who's probably gave him all the people he needs and more as far as scouting and monitoring players but i agree about him, he's great either way.

No way to evaluate RC separate from Pop.

If Sean Marks gets Brooklyn into the playoffs THIS season, even if they get swept, that is a huge accomplishment, bringing this team from the depths of the abyss into the playoffs. Easy part? Smh.

[GreekSpursfan]

No way to evaluate RC separate from Pop.

If Sean Marks gets Brooklyn into the playoffs THIS season, even if they get swept, that is a huge accomplishment, bringing this team from the depths of the abyss into the playoffs. Easy part? Smh.

Imo it's an easy job for a good GM. The best thing he did was Atkinson(top 5 in league imo). A great GM gets you ready for a championship and the Nets are very far away from that, million miles. People here talk like he's a great GM. I have to disagree with that.

[Clipper Nation]

Bellittle what, you think D.Russell and Levert and Spencer Dinwiddie are gonna break the NBA? I said he did a good job but the hard part is now.
Couldn't disagree more. The hard part was working around the loss of all those lottery picks that Billy King gifted away. That was the worst situation any team had ever been in since the Stepien Cavs.