NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[DAF86]

Anyone here watch Clan the Spurs fan you tube channel ?supposedly he has some legit inside info from Spurs he works for some sort of Spurs writing page said today Spurs have expressed some desire to trade for Conley

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7jteldq

Conley/ Forbes
White/ Belinelli
DeRozan/ Bertans
Gay/ Casspi
Aldridge/ Poeltl

[Duncan87]

You realize Memphis doing a firesell??? Any deal they make their gonna get hosed think they would jump at young players plus picks to any team

[DAF86]

You realize Memphis doing a firesell??? Any deal they make their gonna get hosed think they would jump at young players plus picks to any team

Well, add a draft pick to that trade.

[SpurSpike]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7jteldq

Conley/ Forbes
White/ Belinelli
DeRozan/ Bertans
Gay/ Casspi
Aldridge/ Poeltl

I don't think they would want to pay patty for the rest of his contract. Would kinda defeat the purpose of blowing up the team if they took him, right?

[DAF86]

I don't think they would want to pay patty for the rest of his contract. Would kinda defeat the purpose of blowing up the team if they took him, right?

Well, then no reason to trade for Conley because I wouldn't give away neither Gay nor Bertans.

[RD2191]

Conley :lol

[Duncan87]

Conley Murray lineup next year good defensive backcourt

[exstatic]

I feel bad for this Griz rebuilding but Mike and Marc have always been my guys. Just do it, RC!

I don't want either of them. MC is a nearly $40M albatross who plays a Kawhi number of games every year, and Marc G is a dinosaur immobile big.

[RD2191]

We have White. Tf do we need Conley for?

[SpurPadre]

Conley :lol

Only in this board is Conley a bad player and worse than Forbes...smh

[SpurPadre]

We have White. Tf do we need Conley for?

Because Forbes is fucking trash as a starter and White is still raw. We've got to maximize what is likely the best LMA will play after this season, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Some of the players yall are posting about seriously makes me wonder if anyone actually follows basketball. Harrison Barnes? Jabari Porker?? Lmao

[Leetonidas]

Conley makes way too much money and is on the wrong side of 30 coming off an Achilles tear. We have two very good young prospect PGs on rookie deals. What the fuck would anyone want to trade for Conley for? So we can be even more of a treadmill team for 3 years? :lol

[SpurPadre]

Conley makes way too much money and is on the wrong side of 30 coming off an Achilles tear. We have two very good young prospect PGs on rookie deals. What the fuck would anyone want to trade for Conley for? So we can be even more of a treadmill team for 3 years? :lol

Because we need to win NOW while LMA still has some gas in the tank. You really expect him to drop 50 in a game next season at 35? You really trust fucking Forbes as a starter from here on out?

[marinoman]

We’re not close to good enough especially if DeMar isn’t better. Just getting some role player that’s averaging 9 points isn’t gonna do it. People want some punkass 6th man wing for gasol and Forbes or something that will do shit

[RD2191]

Because Forbes is fucking trash as a starter and White is still raw. We've got to maximize what is likely the best LMA will play after this season, tbh.


Conley makes way too much money and is on the wrong side of 30 coming off an Achilles tear. We have two very good young prospect PGs on rookie deals. What the fuck would anyone want to trade for Conley for? So we can be even more of a treadmill team for 3 years? :lol

Tbh

[SpurPadre]

Also to those saying Conley is a gimp...dude has played all but one game this season for Memphis. He's averaging 33.5 minutes per game. And he would immediately be the best defender on the team were we to swing a deal.

[RD2191]

Because we need to win NOW while LMA still has some gas in the tank. You really expect him to drop 50 in a game next season at 35? You really trust fucking Forbes as a starter from here on out?

No one's beating the dubs until kd or klay leaves tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

The same faggots that cried about Parker earning a max of 16M/ yr for a couple of years want Conley and his 30M/yr contract :lmao

You can't teach stupid.

[TheGreatYacht]

Just trade Aldridge. His value is peaked right now and is a couple of months away from TOSB status. Do it right now. I love LMAlpha but we ain't winning shit anytime soon and his window doesn't fit with Murray, White, or Walker's. Get a pick and some scrubs.

3 first rounders in the draft please.

Edit: Trade DePressed as well. Poor guy will kill himself living in SA and being screamed at by Pop. His contract blows and he's nearly 30.

[exstatic]

Only in this board is Conley a bad player and worse than Forbes...smh

Conley's health went over a cliff about 4 years ago. You have to factor in both that, and the fact that he makes stupid money into any decision. I don't want a player who will likely play only 60 games and take home north of $30M.

[DAF86]

Conley makes way too much money and is on the wrong side of 30 coming off an Achilles tear. We have two very good young prospect PGs on rookie deals. What the fuck would anyone want to trade for Conley for? So we can be even more of a treadmill team for 3 years? :lol

The rumour is that the Spurs are interested. If they somehow trade for him you would change your tune about getting him in a milisecond. :lol

[exstatic]

The rumour is that the Spurs are interested. If they somehow trade for him you would change your tune about getting him in a milisecond. :lol

You don't know this board very well. He would INSTANTLY become the new salary whipping boy, replacing Patty.

[Dverde]

Conley is owed 66 million over the next two seasons. Amazingly the Patty/Pau combo would work. Grizz would want some combination of DJ Murray, White, or Bertrans back with draft picks. I don’t think PATFO has the balls to do it.

[Duncan87]

Let’s not act like dwhite can perform at a playoff level like even a semi healthy Conley would give every Western Conference teams hell on pick n roll with Ltrain

[Chinook]

Let’s not act like dwhite can perform at a playoff level like even a semi healthy Conley would give every Western Conference teams hell on pick n roll with Ltrain

First, we don't know how well White can perform, and judging him too early would be hilarious in a thread about Conley, a player who developed pretty slowly. Second, Conley being better than White wouldn't matter at all.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

The Grizzlies aren't getting much for Mike Conley or Marc Gasol.

Imagine asking someone to give up something of value to overpay Mike Conley $66M the next 2 seasons and he isn't even close to being a #1 or #2 level player and had his season ended 2 or the last 3 seasons due to injuries.

Marc Gasol is on the decline and from what I heard has a trade kicker.

On a side note, Chris Wallace needs to be fired right now.

[ceperez]

Stanley Johnson? https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2019/1/23/18194677/nba-trade-rumor-detroit-pistons-stanley-johnson-san-antonio-spurs-wing-depth

[szkorhetz]

If it takes Gasol+Mills, I'm in. If MEM is asking anything more than that, I am out.

[TheGreatYacht]

Conley is owed 66 million over the next two seasons. Amazingly the Patty/Pau combo would work. Grizz would want some combination of DJ Murray, White, or Bertrans back with draft picks. I don’t think PATFO has the balls to do it.
Give em Bertans. Memphis can then have another ST overrated trash can to pair up with Fathead

[RD2191]

If it takes Gasol+Mills, I'm in. If MEM is asking anything more than that, I am out.

You had me at moving mills and pau

[szkorhetz]

Give em Bertans. Memphis can then have another ST overrated trash can to pair up with Fathead
Bertans is likely the best value offensive big in the NBA right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertans is likely the best value offensive big in the NBA right now.
You Latvian by any chance?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

A healthy Conley would make the Spurs pretty tough and would definitely be worth Pau, Mills and filler. He's a high-priced paper weight most of the time these days is the problem.

[cd021]

Ok, and who do you play when Bertans goes to the bench?

Probably Cunningham. Your point is what happens if there is an injury, my point is that the Spurs are one of the few teams that have 9 legit NBA players that despite losing their starting PG for the season. It would be nice to replace Gasol with a rotation player but it's not a must.


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7jteldq

Conley/ Forbes
White/ Belinelli
DeRozan/ Bertans
Gay/ Casspi
Aldridge/ Poeltl

What about Murray next season?


Well, add a draft pick to that trade.

Your link doesn't work but I'm assuming it's Mills and Gasol for Conley and Caspi

That's not a good trade at all. Swapping Mills out for Conley-who is making more than Gasol and Mills combined for this season and next plus is owed $34 million in 20-21 (That's a no go assuming the Spurs re-sign Aldridge, Murray and DeRozan) and having to surrender a pick for the privilege is hustling backwards.

[RD2191]

You Latvian by any chance?

:lmao

[cd021]

Conley is owed 66 million over the next two seasons. Amazingly the Patty/Pau combo would work. Grizz would want some combination of DJ Murray, White, or Bertrans back with draft picks. I don’t think PATFO has the balls to do it.

Giving up an asset for the privilege of paying Conley $32 million and $34.5 million over the next two seasons is silly to me, even if the Spurs get out of Gasol and Mills. Spurs are probably going to re-sign Aldridge, DDR and Murray and that is going to be a shockingly expensive team in a couple of seasons.

[szkorhetz]

You Latvian by any chance?
Hungarian, actually.

[ceperez]

I wouldn't be contemplating acquiring a player with a large salary.

Spurs player development has shown enough competence to get quality players on the cheap.

Spurs got 3 draft picks next season and between Pau and Gay, that is $26m of salaries that can be unloaded to get a premium all-star.

I do like Gay, but it's anybody's guess how long his body can hold up.

[Leetonidas]

The rumour is that the Spurs are interested. If they somehow trade for him you would change your tune about getting him in a milisecond. :lol

I highly doubt it. There's a difference between saying Conley sucks and is scrub and I wouldn't want to trade for him given the team we have. :rolleyes

[Leetonidas]

I also haven't seen any legit rumors the spurs are interested in trading for Conley unless I missed it somewhere

[duncan2150]

The Hawks are reportedly open to moving Taurean Prince at the trade deadline.

he is from SA and he is a good wing, who can defend and shoot the 3. Could be interesting if they want a pick imo.

[r0drig0lac]

The Hawks are reportedly open to moving Taurean Prince at the trade deadline.

he is from SA and he is a good wing, who can defend and shoot the 3. Could be interesting if they want a pick imo.


nice

[Dverde]

Giving up an asset for the privilege of paying Conley $32 million and $34.5 million over the next two seasons is silly to me, even if the Spurs get out of Gasol and Mills. Spurs are probably going to re-sign Aldridge, DDR and Murray and that is going to be a shockingly expensive team in a couple of seasons.

Conley is an all-star caliber player. They wouldn’t trade him if there wasn’t an asset in return. Gasol provides salary relief if waived, but not an asset. Patty Mills still has multiple years left and probably seen as trade filler. They won’t trade him for just those two. I would think one of White, Forbes, Murray and one of our draft picks would be enough. I would tell them no on Bertrans. I would try to keep White out of the other three.

[GusT15]

The Hawks are reportedly open to moving Taurean Prince at the trade deadline.

he is from SA and he is a good wing, who can defend and shoot the 3. Could be interesting if they want a pick imo.


Now this right here is an interesting player,relatively still young,the 12th pick of the 2016 draft,definitely cheap,could patch some holes in our system.Has shown he can be a solid role player but is stuck in a tanking Hawks team.

Do it RC,you intoxicated buffoon!

[KDKSpurs24]

The Hawks are reportedly open to moving Taurean Prince at the trade deadline.

he is from SA and he is a good wing, who can defend and shoot the 3. Could be interesting if they want a pick imo.

He’s been my most desired trade target this entire season. We need to throw a good deal at the Hawks immediately.

[Duncan87]

Guy from Clan the Spurs says Spurs are showing strong interest in Rozier

[DPG21920]

Guy from Clan the Spurs says Spurs are showing strong interest in Rozier

Seems so laughable. I dont believe it.

[NASpurs]

Guy from Clan the Spurs says Spurs are showing strong interest in Rozier

Wtf is Clan or did you mean the Klan?

[DPG21920]

Otto. Otto. Otto.

I prefer sa using their money for extra pick(s) and waiting for 2020 to make big changes, but if they can get Otto now and really go for it with a core of LMA/DeRozan/Otto and all the youth for the next 2.5 years? I’m good with that gamble.

[tbdog]

Well what would be the most you would offer for Prince?

[Dverde]

Do it R.C.. Put this entire league on it’s ass.

https://i.imgur.com/k5MsIFT_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Duncan87]

Some blog Spurs writer claims has decent sources Clan the Spurs on YouTube

[r0drig0lac]

Well what would be the most you would offer for Prince?

pick raps (he and Levert were my favorite players in the draft out the lottery, so I'm extremely high in their skil set)

[Chinook]

It's amazing to see someone pimp Conley like this. He's not even worth his contract, let alone worth his contract plus picks and prospects. If the Spurs had like multiple cheap core players and a really good cap outlook, Conley's deal wouldn't really matter. But adding him out make it really hard to build around him, DeRozan and Aldridge. Even if they're a better team with him, they wouldn't have the ability to take the next step, so what would it matter? In a world where the Spurs already had an outside chance at contending and just needed a third star, gambling on Conley could have made sense. He'd've theoretically slotted into a Green, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge unit very well. Not a fit with DeRozan at all, though, and he's certainly not good enough to where fit isn't a concern.

[RD2191]

The Hawks are reportedly open to moving Taurean Prince at the trade deadline.

he is from SA and he is a good wing, who can defend and shoot the 3. Could be interesting if they want a pick imo.


I read tayshaun prince and was like wtf. :lol

[DPG21920]

It's amazing to see someone pimp Conley like this. He's not even worth his contract, let alone worth his contract plus picks and prospects. If the Spurs had like multiple cheap core players and a really good cap outlook, Conley's deal wouldn't really matter. But adding him out make it really hard to build around him, DeRozan and Aldridge. Even if they're a better team with him, they wouldn't have the ability to take the next step, so what would it matter? In a world where the Spurs already had an outside chance at contending and just needed a third star, gambling on Conley could have made sense. He'd've theoretically slotted into a Green, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge unit very well. Not a fit with DeRozan at all, though, and he's certainly not good enough to where fit isn't a concern.

I mean, if sa wants to try to contend to the best of their ability it’s only a 2 year window after this season. LMA/DeRozan aren’t young and they have to swing sometime, no?

There might not be anyone better ever available either via trade or free agency (not saying Conley is amazing).

But maybe SA doesn’t value that as much and is fine just being decent with more of a focus on youth/picks/flexibility while being “just” a playoff team? I don’t know.

SA only has two years with LMA/DeRozan, all-star level players and do they want to waste that or take a calculated two-year gamble knowing that once DeRozan/LMA deals are up, it’s more of a reset time?

[Dverde]

It's amazing to see someone pimp Conley like this. He's not even worth his contract, let alone worth his contract plus picks and prospects. If the Spurs had like multiple cheap core players and a really good cap outlook, Conley's deal wouldn't really matter. But adding him out make it really hard to build around him, DeRozan and Aldridge. Even if they're a better team with him, they wouldn't have the ability to take the next step, so what would it matter? In a world where the Spurs already had an outside chance at contending and just needed a third star, gambling on Conley could have made sense. He'd've theoretically slotted into a Green, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge unit very well. Not a fit with DeRozan at all, though, and he's certainly not good enough to where fit isn't a concern.

Less gambling with a trade. It locks in Conley, Derozen, LMA for this year and next year. You assume we can get good free agents to come here. They rarely pick SA, LMA almost picked Phoenix and he is from Texas. Conley is overpaid that is why the return is lower than normal.

[cd021]

Conley is an all-star caliber player. They wouldn’t trade him if there wasn’t an asset in return. Gasol provides salary relief if waived, but not an asset. Patty Mills still has multiple years left and probably seen as trade filler. They won’t trade him for just those two. I would think one of White, Forbes, Murray and one of our draft picks would be enough. I would tell them no on Bertrans. I would try to keep White out of the other three.

Conley is a fine player but not all-star caliber because that implies he has a chance of making the all-star team. Moving a pick and or White, Bertans or Murray in a deal for him is a no go. His contract is prohibitive; he's not just getting overpaid by a couple of million a season like Mills, he's getting overpaid by around $10 million per and that gap is only going to increase as his contract escalates and his production decreases. It's not worth it.

[DPG21920]

Otto > Conley if SA is taking a swing though.

[Chinook]

I mean, if sa wants to try to contend to the best of their ability it’s only a 2 year window after this season. LMA/DeRozan aren’t young and they have to swing sometime, no?

There might not be anyone better ever available either via trade or free agency (not saying Conley is amazing).

But maybe SA doesn’t value that as much and is fine just being decent with more of a focus on youth/picks/flexibility while being “just” a playoff team? I don’t know.

SA only has two years with LMA/DeRozan, all-star level players and do they want to waste that or take a calculated two-year gamble knowing that once DeRozan/LMA deals are up, it’s more of a reset time?

When talking about Conley added to Leonard and Aldridge, it would have made sense, because Mike's strengths would have covered that roster's weaknesses. The issue would have been giving Leonard the DPE in a year where LMA got a huge raise and Conley's deal became even more unbearable. Not easy math, but for a real shot at a title, it was worth it. DeRozan is a harder player to add Conley to. At best you get a Lowry, DMDR situation. But then you get a LMA who doesn't eat enough. You do nothing for the wing defense and indeed might even make it worse, because White is a less workable fit with two ball-dominant guards, and the shooting isn't great anyway. So you could see a Forbes, Conley, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge unit. Not really a contender based on that.

If there is a wing or forward available who could really make an impact, I'm totally not against going hard. But I'm not looking at the Spurs' young players and picks as currency that should eventually be spent no matter what. The Spurs can't be in a position to look to buy whatever upgrades they can get. They're in the position to develop their talent, and if an upgrade can be had that makes sense, they can go for it then.

[Duncan87]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

[Chinook]

Less gambling with a trade. It locks in Conley, Derozen, LMA for this year and next year.

No one wants to lock in Conley. That's what everyone's been saying. He's bad value. Really bad value. Having those three doesn't just sacrifice cap space. It sacrifices room under the tax line (meaning the team's operating budget). It would mean not re-signing most supporting players and not using the MLE to get better.


Conley is overpaid that is why the return is lower than normal.

Yet you're trading for him as if he's not overpaid. He's not some All-Star guy who's just hard to fit into a salary cap. He's a pretty good player paid like a DPE player who can't even be counted on to give you a full season of his very-good-not-All-NBA play. That drives his value near zero, if not below, not to multiple picks and rotation players.

[Pavlov]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier
https://media1.tenor.com/images/68f3a1332dd5fdb33ed3fe03c7d6c29a/tenor.gif

[Chinook]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

Hope its not true. I literally can't think of a trade that would make less sense. I guess, though, that something like Forbes for Rozier could make sense. Celtics might want a cheap guy for another year, and the Spurs might want to save money and get a guy with some level of ceiling. Anything more than a player-for-player deal would be a real head-scratcher.

[Spurs da champs]

Guy from Clan the Spurs says Spurs are showing strong interest in Rozier

Given the Spurs infatuation with guards, I believe it.

[NASpurs]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

But seriously, who the fuck is this guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it4Xk91_dKM

[DPG21920]

When talking about Conley added to Leonard and Aldridge, it would have made sense, because Mike's strengths would have covered that roster's weaknesses. The issue would have been giving Leonard the DPE in a year where LMA got a huge raise and Conley's deal became even more unbearable. Not easy math, but for a real shot at a title, it was worth it. DeRozan is a harder player to add Conley to. At best you get a Lowry, DMDR situation. But then you get a LMA who doesn't eat enough. You do nothing for the wing defense and indeed might even make it worse, because White is a less workable fit with two ball-dominant guards, and the shooting isn't great anyway. So you could see a Forbes, Conley, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge unit. Not really a contender based on that.

If there is a wing or forward available who could really make an impact, I'm totally not against going hard. But I'm not looking at the Spurs' young players and picks as currency that should eventually be spent no matter what. The Spurs can't be in a position to look to buy whatever upgrades they can get. They're in the position to develop their talent, and if an upgrade can be had that makes sense, they can go for it then.

I agree with the last sentence a lot; all my proposals assume SA only trades Pau/Mills + the first round picks. But not the youth. In order to have a shot to “contend” imo, they need to add to Lma/DeRozan and the young core has to leap more and be the filler players.

I mean, in that light, I think SA could aggressively dangle Pau/Mills + 2 firsts for a player like Conley or Otto. It’s just one strategy, but I think taking a swing the best you can for 2 years is worth it as long as it ends when DeRozan/LMA ends and you don’t lose any of the known youth. I don’t want Conley but if SA did that in this context (only trading Pau/Mills + picks) I would not be pissed. But I dont want them to do it.

But they can also wait until the last year of DeRozan/LMA deal and have lots of cap space, but that’s just one year at that point to make a push.

Or? They just stay the course, keep drafting, developing and hopefully find a way to get more draft assets like BOS did and just go that route knowing no matter what, realistically, you can’t build a contender with DeRozan/LMA

But a lineup of Conley / Murray / DeRozan / Rudy / LMA & bench of White / Lonnie / Beli / Bertans / Poeltl? That seems like it has potential.

But there is no clear path and any “shot” to really go for it will have major flaws and be a gamble. I don’t think they should trade any of the main youth (White, Lonnie, DJM, Bertans, Poeltl) to do anything.

[SpurPadre]

Conley's health went over a cliff about 4 years ago. You have to factor in both that, and the fact that he makes stupid money into any decision. I don't want a player who will likely play only 60 games and take home north of $30M.

Yes, there's the money but we're not just going to inherit that money without shedding some back. Moreover, he's only missed one game this season and is averaging well over 30 minutes a game. To expect him to all of a sudden miss most of the rest of the season is grasping at straws.

[SpurPadre]

But seriously, who the fuck is this guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it4Xk91_dKM

tspence?

[r0drig0lac]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

dat 5 guard lineup

[Chinook]

I agree with the last sentence a lot; all my proposals assume SA only trades Pau/Mills + the first round picks. But not the youth. In order to have a shot to “contend” imo, they need to add to Lma/DeRozan and the young core has to leap more and be the filler players.

I consider the picks part of the core. Not in the same sense, obviously, but I'm not tossing in a pick that could easily be in the teens again for nothing. If the Toronto pick is another White, Murray or Anderson, even that has real value compared to Conley.


But a lineup of Conley / Murray / DeRozan / Rudy / LMA & bench of White / Lonnie / Beli / Bertans / Poeltl? That seems like it has potential.

Look at this: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3376458555c48f88d34094041020931
The Spurs have almost no room to add to the team this summer and not that much to retain the key guys. Like maybe you could keep Murray and Poeltl, but Gay, Bertans, Beli are walking, and you don't have the assets to replace them since you traded your picks. So now you have an aged group of players hopefully being carried by max-contract Murray and soon-to-be-huge-contract White. That's not a winning team. Porter is different, because his deal never gets that bad, he shouldn't decline over the course of his contract and he doesn't block anyone from the rotation. Porter fills in a hole with a high-end role-player. Conley covers much the Spurs' biggest chance at improvement with an highly overpaid lesser star. Not the same.

[DPG21920]

I consider the picks part of the core. Not in the same sense, obviously, but I'm not tossing in a pick that could easily be in the teens again for nothing. If the Toronto pick is another White, Murray or Anderson, even that has real value compared to Conley.



Look at this: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=3376458555c48f88d34094041020931
The Spurs have almost no room to add to the team this summer and not that much to retain the key guys. Like maybe you could keep Murray and Poeltl, but Gay, Bertans, Beli are walking, and you don't have the assets to replace them since you traded your picks. So now you have an aged group of players hopefully being carried by max-contract Murray and soon-to-be-huge-contract White. That's not a winning team. Porter is different, because his deal never gets that bad, he shouldn't decline over the course of his contract and he doesn't block anyone from the rotation. Porter fills in a hole with a high-end role-player. Conley covers much the Spurs' biggest chance at improvement with an highly overpaid lesser star. Not the same.

I don’t view the picks (very likely in the late 20’s) as the same. I mean, I don’t want to lose them but they won’t set SA back by losing them. Losing the youth would definitely set them back though so I place more value on them than the picks.

But yeah, Conley is a huge gamble, way more than Otto. I have said I would definitely rather have Otto than Conley and that I don’t want the Conley deal. I’m saying I can see why SA might see a reason to do it if they didn’t give up anything but Pau/Mills player-wise.

Again, I dont want it, but I see that angle in particular and would not blow a gasket. I would have low expectations but I wouldn’t be pissed.

If it didn’t work after the rest of this season and all of next season, they are all on expiring deals and you could probably blow it up as long as DeRozan/LMA had not fallen off a cliff. You can trade DeRozan/LMA and hopefully have the assets from those trades to dump Conley if need be (or just eat a year)

[pad300]

If I were running the spurs, I would be chasing Kemba (see my post 4 days ago, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277461&page=3&p=9677801#post9677801 ), rather than Conley. Younger, cheaper (Both you have to trade less assets, and his next contract will be cheaper: he can't command a DPE if traded), less injury prone, IMO as good...

[Play Boban]

Gasol would’ve been cool five years ago. Now...meh...

[Chinook]

If I were running the spurs, I would be chasing Kemba (see my post 4 days ago, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277461&page=3&p=9677801#post9677801 ), rather than Conley. Younger, cheaper (Both you have to trade less assets, and his next contract will be cheaper: he can't command a DPE if traded), less injury prone, IMO as good...

He would have been really good back when the Spurs still had Leonard and Green. Would have completed that first unit and probably roster. Now it's not as clear. He's easier to find matching salary for, but that makes him worth more value. Kemba's been a really good player this year, and he's expressed at least publicly a willingness to stay in Charlotte long term. They aren't going to sell him just to sell him. The Spurs could probably trade for him (because they apparently had enough beforehand), but it wouldn't be cheaper than Conley.

[Leetonidas]

Taurean Prince would be a nice get if ATL is actually shopping. Plus he is from SA. I've always liked his game

[pad300]

He would have been really good back when the Spurs still had Leonard and Green. Would have completed that first unit and probably roster. Now it's not as clear. He's easier to find matching salary for, but that makes him worth more value. Kemba's been a really good player this year, and he's expressed at least publicly a willingness to stay in Charlotte long term. They aren't going to sell him just to sell him. The Spurs could probably trade for him (because they apparently had enough beforehand), but it wouldn't be cheaper than Conley.

Conley comes with a locked in contract while Kemba is expiring. He's not going to be more expensive than Conley.
As far as Kemba being available, MJ has to fish or cut bait; he needs to have a competitive team or rebuild. IMO he can't rebuild with all the bad contracts on the roster (Batum, M Williams, Biyombo), especially if Kemba demands a max to (worse, Kemba might be eligible for the DPE if he stays!), and he can't compete either. The hornets are really in a state where they need to burn it down and start over...

[BD24]

Because we need to win NOW while LMA still has some gas in the tank. You really expect him to drop 50 in a game next season at 35? You really trust fucking Forbes as a starter from here on out?
Conley doesn't make us contenders though..so we are going to blow our future on someone that doesn't move the needle enough to matter?

[DPG21920]

Conley doesn't make us contenders though..so we are going to blow our future on someone that doesn't move the needle enough to matter?

This is fair, but it’s not like all-stars are close-to-all-stars are just readily available. Sometimes, you may have to take a swing even if you know it’s not optimal and just hope for the best.

But ya, Conley 99% isn’t it. I would be pissed if they traded any of the youth for him.

[Dverde]

This is fair, but it’s not like all-stars are close-to-all-stars are just readily available. Sometimes, you may have to take a swing even if you know it’s not optimal and just hope for the best.

But ya, Conley 99% isn’t it. I would be pissed if they traded any of the youth for him.

Conley makes us a better contender than our “young core”. Everyday people want to get rid of Patty/Pau. Now people want to balk about giving up one of our guard prospects or draft picks. Delusional RC fanboys expect Memphis to take back our garbage contracts and give us a draft picks. :lol DJ isn’t even playing and about to get a fat contract.

[DPG21920]

Conley makes us a better contender than our “young core”. Everyday people want to get rid of Patty/Pau. Now people want to balk about giving up one of our guard prospects or draft picks. Delusional RC fanboys expect Memphis to take back our garbage contracts and give us a draft picks. :lol

I think you missed the point of that.

[Dverde]

I think you missed the point of that.

What would you give up for Conley? I always said either White, Murray, or Forbes and a draft pick. That is not selling out our “young core”. We still have Lonnie and Metu too.

[tbdog]

Prince fits in our timeline with our young core. I hope calls are being made. Just not sure what we can offer. He is like a top 15 pick and Tor pick is likely to be between 26 and 30. Are the Hawks willing to give up on Prince this early for that pick? Is something as simple as Forbe and Tor going to work or would the hawks want to offload Bazemores contract for Gasol as well?

[Dverde]

I think you missed the point of that.

Yeah you’re right. I looked at your post again. I understand the argument about it being a bad trade to make. I just see next two years as the last chance at a championship for awhile.

[Chinook]

Conley comes with a locked in contract while Kemba is expiring. He's not going to be more expensive than Conley.
As far as Kemba being available, MJ has to fish or cut bait; he needs to have a competitive team or rebuild. IMO he can't rebuild with all the bad contracts on the roster (Batum, M Williams, Biyombo), especially if Kemba demands a max to (worse, Kemba might be eligible for the DPE if he stays!), and he can't compete either. The hornets are really in a state where they need to burn it down and start over...

Conley comes with a locked contract no one wants. It's bad enough to make him negative. With Kemba, you can still choose to not give him a bad contract or to work with him to make the numbers fit. I don't have them as close.

[RD2191]

If DD was playing like an all star or mvp type player then you'd go all in for a title and trade for a vet like Conley. DD is playing like a huge faggot though so the trade doesn't make much sense. I don't like LMA much but I feel a little bad for the guy, it's obvious this isn't what he expected at all when he signed with SA. Then again no one could foresee Kawhi bitching out so yeah. :lol

[DPG21920]

What would you give up for Conley? I always said either White, Murray, or Forbes and a draft pick. That is not selling out our “young core”. We still have Lonnie and Metu too.

I would only give up Pau+Mills (huge salary relief for a full on reset for MEM which if MEM is trading Conley/Gasol, that is what they are doing) and the TOR pick and/or SA’s own pick.

That is not to say MEM would love that package, but that is the only type of deal I would even consider if Im SA and I hope they don’t consider it.

[DPG21920]

Conley comes with a locked contract no one wants. It's bad enough to make him negative. With Kemba, you can still choose to not give him a bad contract or to work with him to make the numbers fit. I don't have them as close.


Not even close. Kemba>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Conley for various reasons.

[DPG21920]

If DD was playing like an all star or mvp type player then you'd go all in for a title and trade for a vet like Conley. DD is playing like a huge faggot though so the trade doesn't make much sense. I don't like LMA much but I feel a little bad for the guy, it's obvious this isn't what he expected at all when he signed with SA. Then again no one could foresee Kawhi bitching out so yeah. :lol

Well DD not playing great (he was playing like an all star for a long stretch) doesn’t change much IMO. Spurs have him and LMA and unless they are going to trade DD (highly unlikely) then you still try to add to them

[DPG21920]

But last time I will say it - we dont know what the Spurs are thinking. Trading for a player like DeRozan signaled they wanted to win now, but to what degree? Are they viewing this as an all in best we can do for two years type situation? Are they in wait and see mode for this season to really assess and plan next off season? Do they care more about just being competitive/a playoff team with more of an eye on the future and rebuilding?

How they think dictates a ton of this and we don’t have that information.

Beyond that, my hope, realistically is use Gasol’s deal to get more future assets. There is not much this team needs, no apparent all star available that fits truly well on paper so go the BOS route and get assets.

Gasol’s 16M is already budgeted and waiving him doesn’t help all that much for next year anyways, so use his earmarked money to get assets and be smart about it.

[Chinook]

The Spurs supposedly had a way to acquire a third star while keeping Leonard. Unless Green was the only contract that could have been used to get such a player, or unless that third star were DeRozan, the Spurs purposefully chose to not pursue a trade for that third star after they got DeRozan. To me, that suggests they weren't desperate to win now, and I don't believe it makes sense to assume Conley is appealing to them unless they see him as a finishing piece. Him simply being the "best they could get" likely doesn't motivate them if they passed on another player back when trading for him could have made the most difference.

[Dverde]

But last time I will say it - we dont know what the Spurs are thinking. Trading for a player like DeRozan signaled they wanted to win now, but to what degree? Are they viewing this as an all in best we can do for two years type situation? Are they in wait and see mode for this season to really assess and plan next off season? Do they care more about just being competitive/a playoff team with more of an eye on the future and rebuilding?

How they think dictates a ton of this and we don’t have that information.

Beyond that, my hope, realistically is use Gasol’s deal to get more future assets. There is not much this team needs, no apparent all star available that fits truly well on paper so go the BOS route and get assets.

Gasol’s 16M is already budgeted and waiving him doesn’t help all that much for next year anyways, so use his earmarked money to get assets and be smart about it.

I hope you realize all that Gasol money is going to Rudy Gay multiyear and DJ’s contract extension. They need to unload Patty to get a free agent.

[TheGreatYacht]

Get Taurean Prince at all costs.

Dont care what it takes.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs supposedly had a way to acquire a third star while keeping Leonard. Unless Green was the only contract that could have been used to get such a player, or unless that third star were DeRozan, the Spurs purposefully chose to not pursue a trade for that third star after they got DeRozan. To me, that suggests they weren't desperate to win now, and I don't believe it makes sense to assume Conley is appealing to them unless they see him as a finishing piece. Him simply being the "best they could get" likely doesn't motivate them if they passed on another player back when trading for him could have made the most difference.

Perfectly logical. However, that report (I believe Jabari was the only one that alluded to that?) was not concrete and beyond that I think Danny was viewed as THAT valuable in a trade for said player.

Just don’t know, but I tend to agree that they don’t seem to be in “cash it all in for Pop’s last year(s)” mode.

[DPG21920]

I hope you realize all that Gasol money is going to Rudy Gay multiyear and DJ’s contract extension. They need to unload Patty to get a free agent.


They can still pay Rudy next year (not as much with Gasol’s full money on the books) and DJ’s contract extension doesn’t impact next season at all.

[Leetonidas]

Get Taurean Prince at all costs.

Dont care what it takes.

I don't know about all costs but yeah he is definitely the player spurs should be targeting if he's available :tu

[DPG21920]

Man, Dipo just strechered off the court with some sort of knee injury. Not that its relevant to this thread, but damn.

[mo7888]

The thing that stands out to me is that all of this chatter about an in-season trade is uncharted territory for this front office. I don't know what they are going to do but, it appears that they are trying to do something and I for one like that.

I'd prefer moving Pau/Mills for an Otto Porter type to make a run right now. The smarter move though might just be to go after Prince or JJackson if they are available on the cheap. Try and stay playoff competitive instead of Championship competitive and wait for the young guys to come into their own in a year or two. No matter what though we should know which way the FO is leaning shortly.

[DPG21920]

What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?

I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.

[RD2191]

What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?

I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.

Why do we need him to be elite? We need a solid wind defender. Any offense is gravy.

[slick'81]

Hate to lose forbes on the cheap and keep mills corpse but well see.If pau or mills get moved it would be a huuge victory for sa

[lmbebo]

dejountemurray (https://www.instagram.com/dejountemurray/)THE SPURS SAVED MY LIFE! When Every Team Judged My Past And Judged What I Been Through, The Spurs Knew I Was A Young African American That Had No Guidance And Needed A Chance At Life. That’s Why I Strive The Way I Do To Be GREAT!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs9ZcXNgR9m/

wonder what his message means?

[GreekSpursfan]

There is no way we get T. Prince by giving up spare parts, zero. Having said that it would be nice to have him but i dont see how. Atlanta made one mistake, can they make a second? Possible but i dont see it.

[RD2191]

dejountemurray (https://www.instagram.com/dejountemurray/)THE SPURS SAVED MY LIFE! When Every Team Judged My Past And Judged What I Been Through, The Spurs Knew I Was A Young African American That Had No Guidance And Needed A Chance At Life. That’s Why I Strive The Way I Do To Be GREAT!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs9ZcXNgR9m/

wonder what his message means?

Watch him get moved for Rozier lmaoo

[rasuo214]

Spurs should go for one of those "bust" prospects, especially at SF. Buy low, develop (the team's strength) and sell high. Seems like the obvious thing to do.

[TheGreatYacht]

What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?

I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.
That's how I feel about you and your obsession with that Porter scrub.

[TheGreatYacht]

What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?

I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.
That's how I feel about you and your obsession with that Porter scrub.

[Leetonidas]

dejountemurray (https://www.instagram.com/dejountemurray/)THE SPURS SAVED MY LIFE! When Every Team Judged My Past And Judged What I Been Through, The Spurs Knew I Was A Young African American That Had No Guidance And Needed A Chance At Life. That’s Why I Strive The Way I Do To Be GREAT!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs9ZcXNgR9m/

wonder what his message means?

I don't know but the way he capitalizes the first letter of every word is annoying

[ace3g]

What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?

I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.

I'd prefer a SF like Stanley Johnson, Casspi, or Prince sub in instead of Cunningham.

[Leetonidas]

What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?

I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.

He's not that young, but he has a good motor, decent size, solid athlete, and he's an actual SF on a rookie deal spurs may be able to nab. I am confident the coaching staff could mold him into a starting SF

[ace3g]

Would have liked to add Brewer when he was available...

[ceperez]

Would have liked to add Brewer when he was available...

Yeah... I was wondering a week ago why he was still available. What a miss!

[KDKSpurs24]

Would have liked to add Brewer when he was available...
Same..

[talkspurs]

I was the one who said "two firsts", and I guess DPG just let it flow through. I was counting the salary difference as worth another first. That's true if just looking at Anderson and Gasol, but factoring Mills in, it's not that big of a hit. Honestly, being able to send Mills out might make it a good deal regardless, even though the concerns I had are still valid. Jackson actually had a very strong game tonight, and he's been turning it around for a while now (I have him on my FBB teams). I'm a believer in Jackson and would likely trade a lot for him, but his value is going to go up. The only hope of grabbing him is if the Suns somehow love Mills. Otherwise, he's probably the least gettable SF on their roster, including Bridges (whom I don't think is on the table at all).

I like jackson as well and have him on my FBB team. I may not keep him this year though. He has some up and down games but they have so many SF. I wish we would have tried to get Oubre when they got him but we did not. He plays well when he gets consistent PT. When he does not he struggles. He needs work on 2 things FT and TO. everything else and maybe those will come with time.
I

[stu scotts eye]

Yeah... I was wondering a week ago why he was still available. What a miss!

I know. Cunningham should not get these minutes when Davis is out. Brewer would've been a great one to take that slot.

[DAF86]

You don't know this board very well. He would INSTANTLY become the new salary whipping boy, replacing Patty.

He's a homer like you.

[DAF86]

Probably Cunningham. Your point is what happens if there is an injury, my point is that the Spurs are one of the few teams that have 9 legit NBA players that despite losing their starting PG for the season. It would be nice to replace Gasol with a rotation player but it's not a must.



What about Murray next season?



Your link doesn't work but I'm assuming it's Mills and Gasol for Conley and Caspi

That's not a good trade at all. Swapping Mills out for Conley-who is making more than Gasol and Mills combined for this season and next plus is owed $34 million in 20-21 (That's a no go assuming the Spurs re-sign Aldridge, Murray and DeRozan) and having to surrender a pick for the privilege is hustling backwards.

Cunningham sucks.

Murray is expendable.

And I'm not that big of a Conley fan. I just proposed that because of the rumour.

[timtonymanu]

"This team has enough depth" fucking laughable take.

[Dverde]

Conley would have closed out that 76ers game. You know it.

[slick'81]

"This team has enough depth" fucking laughable take.
Best bench in the league

[paperboy77]

Can we trade Pop?

[Chinook]

"This team has enough depth" fucking laughable take.

Spurs depth played well. Spurstalk is so weird.

[timtonymanu]

That depth should be expected to beat a Jimmy Butler-less team then. But I guess they "played well enough" on here.

[SouthTexasRancher]

This Spurs version can really suck. I'm sorry but, Pop really needs to retire. And this team needs some major trades.....like about 12-15 players. We stink the place up.

[Degoat]

Sooo honest question, I highly doubt the spurs would deal him but is Murray untouchable? I keep try to convince myself that if Murray were healthy we’d be a top 3 team in the western conference but man are spacing would be so bad with Murray, DeMar, Gay, and LA

[cd021]

Cunningham sucks.

Murray is expendable.

And I'm not that big of a Conley fan. I just proposed that because of the rumour.

- Ok, I don't disagree but then who do you want the Spurs to acquire on the wing?

- Don't Tell me that you're one of those "White's pretty good so we must move Murray even though there really isn't a reason to do so," types. They can play together.

-No incarnation of a deal would make sense for the Spurs if Conley is the return.

Even if were a Gasol and Mills for Conley deal. Conley's deal jumps from $30 million to $32 million to $34.5 million when his production is almost certainly bound to drop off with each remaining year.

[cd021]

"This team has enough depth" fucking laughable take.

"Let's go acquire Conley, Gasol, or Tris. Thompson to help our depth,"- this thread :lol

[Degoat]

No way it happens but honestly even with his horrible contract the spurs should do everything they can to acquire Conley.

[Duncan87]

Meanwhile Gasol = bench whole 16million he gotta be frustrated not playing hope it boils over ask for trade

[Dverde]

Our only hope is to do the Larry Brown Pistons and sneak one before The next super team emerges.

[slick'81]

Yeah conley and that 30+ mil is gross

[sammy]

NY Knicks has made Tim Hardaway, Jr., Courtney Lee and Enes Kanter available for trade per Bleacher Report

[ceperez]

Spurs getting Kanter for Gasol?

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/01/23/enes-kanter-trade-request-knicks

Could explain his benching and Gasol benching

[ceperez]

Spurs are likely to snag

Taurean Prince

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/1/23/18194617/atlanta-hawks-trade-rumors-nba-taurean-prince-kent-bazemore-chandler-parsons-houston-rockets

for Cunningham and perhaps picks

[Duncan87]

Nowhere in those articles does it even mention Spurs. Rumors on your point???

[hooperflash]

Spurs are likely to snag

Taurean Prince

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/1/23/18194617/atlanta-hawks-trade-rumors-nba-taurean-prince-kent-bazemore-chandler-parsons-houston-rockets

for Cunningham and perhaps picks
Just finished winning the title with Prince and Bazemore on the squad, just saying :lobt2: :)

[sasaint]

Spurs getting Kanter for Gasol?

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/01/23/enes-kanter-trade-request-knicks

Could explain his benching and Gasol benching

You (and I) wish!

[sasaint]

- Ok, I don't disagree but then who do you want the Spurs to acquire on the wing?

- Don't Tell me that you're one of those "White's pretty good so we must move Murray even though there really isn't a reason to do so," types. They can play together.

-No incarnation of a deal would make sense for the Spurs if Conley is the return.

Even if were a Gasol and Mills for Conley deal. Conley's deal jumps from $30 million to $32 million to $34.5 million when his production is almost certainly bound to drop off with each remaining year.

You talking way too much sense. :tu

[Dverde]

Spurs getting Kanter for Gasol?

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/01/23/enes-kanter-trade-request-knicks

Could explain his benching and Gasol benching

Enes Kantor is definitely not over himself. Zero percent chance of this happening.

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs are likely to snag

Taurean Prince

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/1/23/18194617/atlanta-hawks-trade-rumors-nba-taurean-prince-kent-bazemore-chandler-parsons-houston-rockets

for Cunningham and perhaps picks

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IAieDfGkbP4/WLMjHZj42-I/AAAAAAAASOs/4V1qkJ4B6dMVDtyrbSwebr6osf2R63-BgCLcB/s640/1.jpg

[Robz4000]

Enes Kantor is definitely not over himself. Zero percent chance of this happening.

Pop would eat up his story, however. Exactly the kind of thing he likes to talk about off the court.

[John B]

Besides Kiwi/Demar trade, which Spurs FO was forced into. Has the FO ever done a trade in this lifetime? Last one is Hill to move up the draft or trade draft picks to stash, etc. I don’t recall any, so seriously the deadline will come and go but I doubt FO will do anything. Personally I hope this year is the start, and we can move Pau/picks to get a reliable 3 and D. But then again, I doubt it.

[sasaint]

Besides Kiwi/Demar trade, which Spurs FO was forced into. Has the FO ever done a trade in this lifetime? Last one is Hill to move up the draft or trade draft picks to stash, etc. I don’t recall any, so seriously the deadline will come and go but I doubt FO will do anything. Personally I hope this year is the start, and we can move Pau/picks to get a reliable 3 and D. But then again, I doubt it.

This team, as constructed, may creep into the playoffs. But it is just another also-ran going nowhere. I am keeping my fingers crossed that something so obvious just might make the difference, and Pop might actually do something this year. Before you say it - I am prepared to be disappointed.

[cd021]

Spurs are likely to snag

Taurean Prince

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/1/23/18194617/atlanta-hawks-trade-rumors-nba-taurean-prince-kent-bazemore-chandler-parsons-houston-rockets

for Cunningham and perhaps picks

Cunningham and the Raps pick for Prince is interesting tbh. High volume 3pt shooter and career 37% from 3. 6'8 7'0 Wingspan. Haven't watched him play since he got drafted so don't know about his D though.

[cd021]

This team, as constructed, may creep into the playoffs. But it is just another also-ran going nowhere. I am keeping my fingers crossed that something so obvious just might make the difference, and Pop might actually do something this year. Before you say it - I am prepared to be disappointed.

I think the Spurs are safe to make the PS baring an injury to LMA or DDR. Spurs have an easy schedule remaining (RRT notwithstanding) Outside of GSW in the first round, I think this team could beat every other team in the first round.

[John B]

This team, as constructed, may creep into the playoffs. But it is just another also-ran going nowhere. I am keeping my fingers crossed that something so obvious just might make the difference, and Pop might actually do something this year. Before you say it - I am prepared to be disappointed.
Something so obvious to us may not be to Pop/RC. I mean Pop is so stubborn that way, it’s frustrating. But nobody counted on Spurs to be where they are right now, and when the day ends, we’re like, Pop’s a genius. idk but I just don’t want to be disappointed tbh

[8FOR!3]

Cunningham and the Raps pick for Prince is interesting tbh. High volume 3pt shooter and career 37% from 3. 6'8 7'0 Wingspan. Haven't watched him play since he got drafted so don't know about his D though.

Idk why Atlanta would take that you’d think they could do better than Cunningham and a late late 1st. If we can get Prince that cheap it’s a no brainer. From what I’ve heard he’s gotten better on offense this year, regressed some on D, but I think that might have to do with Coach Bud leaving. He’d still be our best wing defender

[cd021]

Idk why Atlanta would take that you’d think they could do better than Cunningham and a late late 1st. If we can get Prince that cheap it’s a no brainer. From what I’ve heard he’s gotten better on offense this year, regressed some on D, but I think that might have to do with Coach Bud leaving. He’d still be our best wing defender

Prince wasn't drafted by their GM so they aren't likely as attached to him. Getting a 1st for a player that's not in their plans sounds like a win, especially considering that they would have 3 firsts (Currently the 5th, 9th and what would be the 29th pick). Cunningham is just trade filler to make the math work.

Not sure if another team is offering a 1st for Prince, if not then that Spurs package would probably be the best offer.

[SpursDynasty85]

Prince wasn't drafted by their GM so they aren't likely as attached to him. Getting a 1st for a player that's not in their plans sounds like a win, especially considering that they would have 3 firsts (Currently the 5th, 9th and what would be the 29th pick). Cunningham is just trade filler to make the math work.

Not sure if another team is offering a 1st for Prince, if not then that Spurs package would probably be the best offer.

They can likely do better than Cunningham and the Toronto pick. For the Spurs, they should be willing to give up more for Prince. Throw in a 2nd pr throw in Chmezie. Taurean Prince is exactly the type of player they need right now. Checks all the boxes from a basketball standpoint. Just do die diligence on character and health, but make it happen.

[Chinook]

They can likely do better than Cunningham and the Toronto pick.

Why do people keep saying this? Good players go for seconds every year. A first is a high price to pay in today's NBA, and Prince isn't even a guaranteed rotation player, let alone a real difference-maker. He's not a better player than Kelly Oubre, and Kelly drew like a decent second-round prospect and a second-round pick slated to be worse than the one SA has this year. It was the equivalent of Pondexter, Metu and their second. Don't see Prince being worth way more than that.

[objective]

I'd do Forbes + the Toronto first. Hell, I'd do Forbes + lotto protected Spurs first. Or both, I don't care. Prince isn't great, poor rebounding numbers, but legit wing size and three point shooting, just entering his prime.

Rather have Porter or Covington, but Prince is in that next tier, which is still about two or three tiers above Stanley Johnson plus the extra year of control that's in Prince's favor compared to Johnson

[SpursDynasty85]

Why do people keep saying this? Good players go for seconds every year. A first is a high price to pay in today's NBA, and Prince isn't even a guaranteed rotation player, let alone a real difference-maker. He's not a better player than Kelly Oubre, and Kelly drew like a decent second-round prospect and a second-round pick slated to be worse than the one SA has this year. It was the equivalent of Pondexter, Metu and their second. Don't see Prince being worth way more than that.

Taurean is definitely a rotation player. That Washington trade took a lot of criticism for how lopsided it was. Washington was just dumping players left and right. If we can get him for cheap sure but I'm just saying if he looks like a keeper in the Spurs eyes than they should be willing to give up more than Cunningham and that Toronto pick if they are serious about winning this year or next.

[Degoat]

Hate to admit it but I’d be surprised if the spurs wouldn’t have give both 1st round picks for prince

[cd021]

Hate to admit it but I’d be surprised if the spurs wouldn’t have give both 1st round picks for prince

Yeah that would be hustling backwards. The Raps pick seems plenty fair for him considering it's known that he isn't on their plans and are actively shopping him.

[mo7888]

The raps pick is fair and I don't think anybody would outbid that.

[cd021]

If the Spurs were to do the Cunningham and Raps pick for Prince then there is another discussion to be had about his role on this team hard to see him getting more than 15 mpg in the playoffs.

DDR and Gay are likely to see their minutes increase, leaving few forward minutes and then theres Bertans.

[SpursDynasty85]

If the Spurs were to do the Cunningham and Raps pick for Prince then there is another discussion to be had about his role on this team hard to see him getting more than 15 mpg in the playoffs.

DDR and Gay are likely to see their minutes increase, leaving few forward minutes and then theres Bertans.

Thats why I like Prince. Derozan and Gay need a wing defender because those two are very slow footed. Derrick or Mills plays starting pg. Like it or not but Forbes, Mills, or Belli needs there minutes slashed. I vote Forbes.

Derozan, Prince, Bertans at the 2-4 or Derozan, Prince, Gay are great combinations because Prince is a good compliment to all 3 of them.

[ace3g]

Some injuries and news that could affect the trade deadline.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1088595446568759296
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1088593640342147072
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1088562055152578560

[SpursDynasty85]

Some injuries and news that could affect the trade deadline.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1088562055152578560

Dinwiddie would've been a nice pick up too.

[lmbebo]

Enes Kantor is definitely not over himself. Zero percent chance of this happening.

Kanter is decent on the offensive side. Rebounds. Horrible defense. Worst in league in PnR ...

[tbdog]

Why do people keep saying this? Good players go for seconds every year. A first is a high price to pay in today's NBA, and Prince isn't even a guaranteed rotation player, let alone a real difference-maker. He's not a better player than Kelly Oubre, and Kelly drew like a decent second-round prospect and a second-round pick slated to be worse than the one SA has this year. It was the equivalent of Pondexter, Metu and their second. Don't see Prince being worth way more than that.

Good point. But isn't Prince like a 15th pick. Wouldn't Atlanta hold onto that on that cheap contract rather than giving him away for a second round pick and filler?

[Chinook]

Good point. But isn't Prince like a 15th pick. Wouldn't Atlanta hold onto that on that cheap contract rather than giving him away for a second round pick and filler?

Yeah, I don't see Atlanta trading him for a second this season. But people are acting like he's worth way more than a first, and it doesn't make sense. The Hawks could totally put him a deal that gets a first, but I wouldn't be surprised if it also involved them taking on a bit of salary next year.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

I think a late 1st rounder gets the Prince deal done if Spurs want him... Certainly the starting point of negotiations. 2 1st rounders even late picks is too much to give the for Prince.... Obviously Pop & RC should be able to get very good info though Bud

[Degoat]

Yeah that would be hustling backwards. The Raps pick seems plenty fair for him considering it's known that he isn't on their plans and are actively shopping him.

if the raptors pick and a filler is all it takes to get prince that would be awesome lol personally he reminds me of 3rd year kawhi Leonard, not that he’ll ever be a star or a defensive juggernaut like kawhi but I see a similarity

[Degoat]

Yeah that would be hustling backwards. The Raps pick seems plenty fair for him considering it's known that he isn't on their plans and are actively shopping him.

if the raptors pick and a filler is all it takes to get prince that would be awesome lol personally he reminds me of 3rd year kawhi Leonard, not that he’ll ever be a star or a defensive juggernaut like kawhi but I see a similarity

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

The Spurs could go all out and make a play for Bazemore, Dedmon, & Prince - obviously not likely - but would be fun to see go down

[Degoat]

The unfortunate thing is I bet every team that is competing for a playoff spot out west will probably make a move to get better except the spurs

[objective]

The only reason Prince would be available is that Huerter made him expendable. While the fact that the Spurs could have drafted him last summer and could find someone like him with the coming first round picks could be an argument to keep the picks ... If Huerter had been drafted over Walker he'd be in Austin right now getting over himself instead of averaging 15, 4, & 4 for a bad Hawks team in January

So next year's pick, whether it could turn into the next Prince or Huerter or Kurucs etc ... Probably won't be playing next year. And Aldridge and DDR aren't getting any younger.

Getting Prince now, who has already gotten over himself, makes sense to me

[RD2191]

The unfortunate thing is I bet every team that is competing for a playoff spot out west will probably make a move to get better except the spurs

As is tradition :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

To me it makes no sense to trade just Prince unless the Hawks want to package him with Bazemore or Dedmon (bad contracts). Prince is still on his rookie contract, a good long wing player, and still has potential to grow. Price will be pretty high I think for Prince. EITHERWAY PLEASE PATFO, GO GET HIM!!!

[Chinook]

Random Spurs pick might not be playing next year, but Walker probably will be, which makes another rotation player without anyone leaving. Metu could also be playing.

[C-Dub]

Forbes, Cunningham, Spurs 1st Rd Pick (more value than Toronto's 1st) for Taurean Prince. Spurs pick want be a Lottery pick anyway and we have enough young talent right now (DJ, White, LW4, Poetl, Metu) to develop going forward. Prince is still young and on a rookie contract with 1 year left. If he learn and fit the system by the end of next season and we are pretty good and he is a big part of the reason why, then we build with him after LMA/DD. He has great potential, real talent and the size to be really good with the right tutelage from Pop.

Starting Line-up = White, DD, Prince, Gay, LA

Starting Line-up after LMA/DD = DJ, White, Prince Bertans, FA/Draft Pick

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

To me it makes no sense to trade just Prince unless the Hawks want to package him with Bazemore or Dedmon (bad contracts). Prince is still on his rookie contract, a good long wing player, and still has potential to grow. Price will be pretty high I think for Prince. EITHERWAY PLEASE PATFO, GO GET HIM!!!

Dedmon's contract is an expiring and only around 7 mil. Bazemore of course is bad contract but time frame coincides with LMA/DDR so wouldn't be a horrible price to pay as long as you weren't giving up more than a one 1st round pick.

[GreekSpursfan]

The unfortunate thing is I bet every team that is competing for a playoff spot out west will probably make a move to get better except the spurs

And thats why the Spurs are smart because they know that no one is beating the Warriors so why spend draft picks for one guy when you can get him in the draft. Pop is building something for his successor not the immediate future. Spurs need more draft picks not squander what they already have.

[Degoat]

And thats why the Spurs are smart because they know that no one is beating the Warriors so why spend draft picks for one guy when you can get him in the draft. Pop is building something for his successor not the immediate future. Spurs need more draft picks not squander what they already have.

I get what you’re saying but if you could get prince for a 1st rounder you gotta do it, I think the spurs are wanting to keep the picks but in the same sense it would be unfair for the veteran guys like LA who want to win now, they gotta look for ways to improve the team. Plus might as well go all in for pops final year/years

[mo7888]

I get what you’re saying but if you could get prince for a 1st rounder you gotta do it, I think the spurs are wanting to keep the picks but in the same sense it would be unfair for the veteran guys like LA who want to win now, they gotta look for ways to improve the team. Plus might as well go all in for pops final year/years

I like Prince because I think he has upside and potential but, I wouldn't consider getting him "going all in"..

[Dverde]

If this guy is so good and on his rookie deal...why is Atlanta trying to trade him?

[Degoat]

I like Prince because I think he has upside and potential but, I wouldn't consider getting him "going all in"..

Lol I mean in general going all in, mike Conley, Tristan Thompson, prince, etc... make a compelling offer to get anybody that could help improve the team

[Degoat]

If this guy is so good and on his rookie deal...why is Atlanta trying to trade him?

I think hawks are building around Trae young, Collins, and Huerter for the future and I might be mistaken but after next year prince is a free agent who probably will demand a good chunk of money. If the hawks could get a 1st round pick it would probably entice them to move on from him

[RD2191]

If this guy is so good and on his rookie deal...why is Atlanta trying to trade him?

Rumors tbh. Nothing substantial as of yet.

[Chinook]

Forbes, Cunningham, Spurs 1st Rd Pick (more value than Toronto's 1st) for Taurean Prince. Spurs pick want be a Lottery pick anyway and we have enough young talent right now (DJ, White, LW4, Poetl, Metu) to develop going forward. Prince is still young and on a rookie contract with 1 year left. If he learn and fit the system by the end of next season and we are pretty good and he is a big part of the reason why, then we build with him after LMA/DD. He has great potential, real talent and the size to be really good with the right tutelage from Pop.

Starting Line-up = White, DD, Prince, Gay, LA

Starting Line-up after LMA/DD = DJ, White, Prince Bertans, FA/Draft Pick

That's a really weird trade. Spurs are sending out way more salary than they need to, and I doubt the Hawks would consider Cun an asset. If the Spurs are willing to trade Bryn and the pick, and the Hawks like Bryn and the pick, then just cut Dante out.

Also Forbes is better than Prince. You might be one of those "ew, Forbes is doodoo" folks, but if you are, Prince has been worse.

[vander]

How do those player options work? Can the team pay the player to opt out?

[cd021]

Forbes, Cunningham, Spurs 1st Rd Pick (more value than Toronto's 1st) for Taurean Prince. Spurs pick want be a Lottery pick anyway and we have enough young talent right now (DJ, White, LW4, Poetl, Metu) to develop going forward. Prince is still young and on a rookie contract with 1 year left. If he learn and fit the system by the end of next season and we are pretty good and he is a big part of the reason why, then we build with him after LMA/DD. He has great potential, real talent and the size to be really good with the right tutelage from Pop.

Starting Line-up = White, DD, Prince, Gay, LA

Starting Line-up after LMA/DD = DJ, White, Prince Bertans, FA/Draft Pick

Not in favor of that tbh. Spurs pick is probably going to be 21st to 23rd while Toronto's is 29-30. Forbes is probably equivalent to an early 2nd. I would do one or the other for him.

If it were Bazemore and Prince then I would go Gasol, Forbes and the Raps Pick.

Atlanta saves about $12 million next season and adds a 3rd 1st rounder along with Forbes on the cheap.

Spurs get a two rotation players for one.

White, Bazemore, DeRozen, Gay, LMA (or White, DDR, Prince, Gay, LMA)
Mills, Prince, Beli, Bertans, Poeltl

[SpursDynasty85]

That's a really weird trade. Spurs are sending out way more salary than they need to, and I doubt the Hawks would consider Cun an asset. If the Spurs are willing to trade Bryn and the pick, and the Hawks like Bryn and the pick, then just cut Dante out.

Also Forbes is better than Prince. You might be one of those "ew, Forbes is doodoo" folks, but if you are, Prince has been worse.

Forbes is a beneficiary of the Spurs system. Great value but no way is he currently a better player or a better prospect than Prince. Not to mention we have too much redundancy with Mills and Belli. Honestly, Mills is a Spur for life I'm sure. Mills still has at least 2 or 3 years of good basketball left. Forbes has to go.

[cd021]

Forbes is a beneficiary of the Spurs system. Great value but no way is he currently a better player or a better prospect than Prince. Not to mention we have too much redundancy with Mills and Belli. Honestly, Mills is a Spur for life I'm sure. Mills still has at least 2 or 3 years of good basketball left. Forbes has to go.

I would move Forbes and the Raps pick but not just for Prince.

If it were a larger deal like Bazemore and Prince for Gasol, Forbes, and the Raps pick then I would move Forbes.

[Chinook]

Forbes is a beneficiary of the Spurs system. Great value but no way is he currently a better player or a better prospect than Prince. Not to mention we have too much redundancy with Mills and Belli. Honestly, Mills is a Spur for life I'm sure. Mills still has at least 2 or 3 years of good basketball left. Forbes has to go.

The point is Prince isn't very good. Can be as down on Bryn as you want, but wherever you have him, Taurean should be lower. I don't have them as close right now, but if PATFO saw enough in him to make a move, I'd at least be intrigued.

[duncan2150]

The point is Prince isn't very good. Can be as down on Bryn as you want, but wherever you have him, Taurean should be lower. I don't have them as close right now, but if PATFO saw enough in him to make a move, I'd at least be intrigued.

it's strange to compare these guys, they are in totally different systems, plus they got a different profile. I prefer prince profile, he got the size, he is a good defender but that doesn't mean he is better than forbes. Bryn is playing well this year but prince has better upside.

[r0drig0lac]

The unfortunate thing is I bet every team that is competing for a playoff spot out west will probably make a move to get better except the spurs

sad but true


it's strange to compare these guys, they are in totally different systems, plus they got a different profile. I prefer prince profile, he got the size, he is a good defender but that doesn't mean he is better than forbes. Bryn is playing well this year but prince has better upside.

no doubt Prince would look better in SA, and I really doubt that Forbes would have the chance elsewhere, to do what he's been doing here although his visible development makes him become a solid role player in the league (but by no means a starter in my ideal team design)

[UnWantedTheory]

it's strange to compare these guys, they are in totally different systems, plus they got a different profile. I prefer prince profile, he got the size, he is a good defender but that doesn't mean he is better than forbes. Bryn is playing well this year but prince has better upside.
The point is, that despite his short comings, Bryn is the better player currently, so he has more value as of today. Prince has been bad this year. I personally don't see the need to give up assets for someone who isn't good, despite potential ceiling, when we can draft or acquire one down the road. He isn't moving the needle this year for it to matter in my opinion.

[GusT15]

The point is Prince isn't very good. Can be as down on Bryn as you want, but wherever you have him, Taurean should be lower. I don't have them as close right now, but if PATFO saw enough in him to make a move, I'd at least be intrigued.

Chinook i respect the hell out of your basketball takes man,and i consider you to be actually the best representative of the Spurs internet fanbase,educating fools in other basketball forums but i must say you're in the wrong in this one.

Firstly you compare Prince to Oubre.Prince is on a better contract than Oubre,as he is contracted all through next year so he is gonna demand $ later than Oubre will.They are both basically 3&D players right now.My issue is Prince is definitely a Spurs type player,never caused any problem,and Oubre is a headcase.I know you know that,come on.Pop would have him locked in the doghouse after the first tech,the first scuffle with punches thrown.

Then you go and compare him to Bryn Forbes? I mean,seriously,how can you even compare them?

Forbes is a deadly shooter,good attitude guy,occasionally does a drive and floater or complex layup for 2.He is a liability in defense,not his fault,it's his size and built.

Prince is a SF,consistent from 3,but his upside comes from his size and ability to play defense.I've personally engaged in this conversation cause i vividly remember him guarding Lebron last year in Atlanta and he was holding his ground physically and i was impressed.Lebron dropped 30 on him,but he never backed down,he wasn't "physically" overwhelmed.
Players with that size and wingspan and mentality to play defense while also shooting close to 40% from 3 are potentially elite role players on contending teams.
How can you compare that to Forbes? I certainly cannot.
Cheers.

[exstatic]

Good point. But isn't Prince like a 15th pick. Wouldn't Atlanta hold onto that on that cheap contract rather than giving him away for a second round pick and filler?

Derrick Williams was a #2 overall pick in 2011, and is now playing for Bayern Munich. Guys bust out of the league all the time. Just because your franchise wasted a lottery pick on him doesn’t mean that’s what you get back.

[Play Boban]

Random Spurs pick might not be playing next year, but Walker probably will be, which makes another rotation player without anyone leaving. Metu could also be playing.

Lonnie will be playing on the moon. Oh, wait, he thinks the moon is fake, so nevermind.

[Chinook]

it's strange to compare these guys, they are in totally different systems, plus they got a different profile. I prefer prince profile, he got the size, he is a good defender but that doesn't mean he is better than forbes. Bryn is playing well this year but prince has better upside.

Prince developed in the Bud system until this year (his best year), and he's been the in the league as long as Forbes. There's really no reason to act like Bryn had some huge advantage. Forbes is also less than a year older, so it's not like Prince is a young guy. Players can still develop obviously. Look at PJ Tucker. But Prince isn't really set up for it. He's not a good defender. His numbers in that regard only really looked good his first year (as a bottom-of-the-rotation player). He might be able to get back there, but he wouldn't be the first guy who got exposed after playing more minutes. If PATFO wants him, that's good enough for me. But it'd be clear to me why they wouldn't want him if they don't.

[acoelho1]

One thing to consider is the Coach Bud connection with Prince. Obviously, if the Spurs are interested, I'm sure RC would get some inside intel on him. Also, he's a solid 3 point shooter hitting 38% of his 3's in 2017-18. After the all star break last year, he was averaging 19pts, 5rbs & 3.5ast per game. He is very versatile and could become a very good defender under the Spurs system. Trading Toronto's 1st and Forbes would be worth it in my opinion. I don't think Atlanta trades him for a 1st only without another young player or cap relief. Also, I don't agree that Forbes is the better player and even though I like Forbes a lot, his toughness is lacking and when Murray gets back next year, we will have a surplus of guards.

[FutureMan]

A three team scenario that gets us both Kanter and Prince would be the teams best bet. Something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9wf9fju

-New York has some fun with Linsanity again
-Atlanta would also get a 2020 pick from us. *Atlants does not need any picks in 2019 since they have 7 already*
-Spurs get two players that can help us this season while creating cap space for this summer

[SpurPadre]

Forbes is a beneficiary of the Spurs system. Great value but no way is he currently a better player or a better prospect than Prince. Not to mention we have too much redundancy with Mills and Belli. Honestly, Mills is a Spur for life I'm sure. Mills still has at least 2 or 3 years of good basketball left. Forbes has to go.

Half glass full Spurs fans tend to wildly overrate Spurs players that everyone else knows are scrubs and don't belong in a respectable starting lineup. Forbes and Bonner are prime examples of this, tbh.

[SpursDynasty85]

Half glass full Spurs fans tend to wildly overrate Spurs players that everyone else knows are scrubs and don't belong in a respectable starting lineup. Forbes and Bonner are prime examples of this, tbh.

I mean. You are a bit hard on him because you ask a lot of your team. Every team has a Forbes type player almost who has to eat some bench minutes. We definitely need to find a way to get him off our starting lineup though.

[exstatic]

I mean. You are a bit hard on him because you ask a lot of your team. Every team has a Forbes type player almost who has to eat some bench minutes. We definitely need to find a way to get him off our starting lineup though.

That situation will resolve itself when DeJounte comes back next year.

[SpursDynasty85]

That situation will resolve itself when DeJounte comes back next year.

True but then we have Forbes, Mills, Belli, and Walker on the bench at the very least next year. One of them has to go. Probably Forbes or Belli. But Spurs want to keep the reputation of utilizing their loyal veterans and taking care of them so I assume Forbes is our go to trade asset. We should not be worried about losing Forbes since we have to permanently bench someone next year anyway.

[Chinook]

Firstly you compare Prince to Oubre.Prince is on a better contract than Oubre,as he is contracted all through next year so he is gonna demand $ later than Oubre will.They are both basically 3&D players right now.My issue is Prince is definitely a Spurs type player,never caused any problem,and Oubre is a headcase.I know you know that,come on.Pop would have him locked in the doghouse after the first tech,the first scuffle with punches thrown.

I didn't bring up Oubre to compare their production. I did it to demonstrate the going rate for players. Oubre didn't draw a first-round pick. Lou Williams and Bojan Bogdanovic only drew firsts when their teams agreed to take back bad salary. Even Cousins before the injuries got one protected pick and a prospect that a lot of folks were iffy on. You can argue that Prince has more value than Oubre (and I don't disagree with your critique of Oubre), but I don't think you can argue that he has more value than the Spurs could muster.


Then you go and compare him to Bryn Forbes? I mean,seriously,how can you even compare them?

Forbes is a deadly shooter,good attitude guy,occasionally does a drive and floater or complex layup for 2.He is a liability in defense,not his fault,it's his size and built.

Prince is a SF,consistent from 3,but his upside comes from his size and ability to play defense.I've personally engaged in this conversation cause i vividly remember him guarding Lebron last year in Atlanta and he was holding his ground physically and i was impressed.Lebron dropped 30 on him,but he never backed down,he wasn't "physically" overwhelmed.
Players with that size and wingspan and mentality to play defense while also shooting close to 40% from 3 are potentially elite role players on contending teams.
How can you compare that to Forbes? I certainly cannot. Cheers.

Dante Cunningham has guarded Lebron as well as Prince ever has. At this stage of James' career, it's not hard to find a guy who can look Lebron in the eye while he gets roasted. I don't consider being a taller turnstile a great trait. It doesn't help that Prince hasn't been a good defender in years. It doesn't make sense to classify him as a good defender when none of the numbers back that up.

It's easy to list Forbes' faults to see where he comes up short, but you're not doing the same to Prince. You consider him having high upside despite him being an old prospect who's already in his third year. You call him consistent even though he doesn't seem any more consistent than the average player. As mentioned, you call him a good defender despite him not playing good defense.

That's why I said, "No matter how bad you think Forbes is, Prince is worse." Because Prince IS worse. Folks wanting to replace Bryn in the SL just assume he'll fix the problem. But what if he's terrible at rotations or has below-average agility in cross-matches? What if he's good at set threes but bad moving without the ball? What if his poor rebounding (the Hawks board better without him) negates his size? People aren't negatives on the floor without reason. There's more to being a good basketball player than being big.

[GreekSpursfan]

I get what you’re saying but if you could get prince for a 1st rounder you gotta do it, I think the spurs are wanting to keep the picks but in the same sense it would be unfair for the veteran guys like LA who want to win now, they gotta look for ways to improve the team. Plus might as well go all in for pops final year/years

Prince for one pick i agree but i dont see them pulling off something like that. Conley's contract is horrible, Spurs better not touch that, as for Tristan T. i'm on the fence about him, i dont know. Pop is not an idiot to go all in for a fool's gold attempt. As i said before he is building something for his successor and the sad part is that he doesn't have the other two young guys(Lonnie obviously not 100%) to build faster.

[SpursDynasty85]

I didn't bring up Oubre to compare their production. I did it to demonstrate the going rate for players. Oubre didn't draw a first-round pick. Lou Williams and Bojan Bogdanovic only drew firsts when their teams agreed to take back bad salary. Even Cousins before the injuries got one protected pick and a prospect that a lot of folks were iffy on. You can argue that Prince has more value than Oubre (and I don't disagree with your critique of Oubre), but I don't think you can argue that he has more value than the Spurs could muster.



Dante Cunningham has guarded Lebron as well as Prince ever has. At this stage of James' career, it's not hard to find a guy who can look Lebron in the eye while he gets roasted. I don't consider being a taller turnstile a great trait. It doesn't help that Prince hasn't been a good defender in years. It doesn't make sense to classify him as a good defender when none of the numbers back that up.

It's easy to list Forbes' faults to see where he comes up short, but you're not doing the same to Prince. You consider him having high upside despite him being an old prospect who's already in his third year. You call him consistent even though he doesn't seem any more consistent than the average player. As mentioned, you call him a good defender despite him not playing good defense.

That's why I said, "No matter how bad you think Forbes is, Prince is worse." Because Prince IS worse. Folks wanting to replace Bryn in the SL just assume he'll fix the problem. But what if he's terrible at rotations or has below-average agility in cross-matches? What if he's good at set threes but bad moving without the ball? What if his poor rebounding (the Hawks board better without him) negates his size? People aren't negatives on the floor without reason. There's more to being a good basketball player than being big.

Your not giving PATFO enough credit on developing Bryn. You are in the small minority who thinks Bryn is a better prospect. If Forbes was drafted by any other team we would look at him as a G leaguer. Prince drafted by the Spurs he would look that much better. He has already averaged more than 14 ppg last 2 seasons and about 38% from 3.

[exstatic]

True but then we have Forbes, Mills, Belli, and Walker on the bench at the very least next year. One of them has to go. Probably Forbes or Belli. But Spurs want to keep the reputation of utilizing their loyal veterans and taking care of them so I assume Forbes is our go to trade asset. We should not be worried about losing Forbes since we have to permanently bench someone next year anyway.

Beli may not be back. I don't think they can afford to keep both he and Rudy. Rudy will be in line for like a 7-8M bump with Early Bird rights, and that will come from Pau being waived or traded. Beli makes like twice what Forbes does, too.

[SpursDynasty85]

Beli may not be back. I don't think they can afford to keep both he and Rudy. Rudy will be in line for like a 7-8M bump with Early Bird rights, and that will come from Pau being waived or traded. Beli makes like twice what Forbes does, too.

Belli signed a 2 year deal fully guaranteed unless they trade him, he is on the Spurs next year. I fully expect Spurs and Belli to have talked about him not being traded and if they do trade him Belli would probably have a say in where he goes. It may be his final year in the NBA.

Edit: Wow didn't know Marco was only 32. I was thinking he was closer to 35. But I think he got a lot of assurances from the PATFO before he signed, I would think.

[duncan2150]

Prince developed in the Bud system until this year (his best year), and he's been the in the league as long as Forbes. There's really no reason to act like Bryn had some huge advantage. Forbes is also less than a year older, so it's not like Prince is a young guy. Players can still develop obviously. Look at PJ Tucker. But Prince isn't really set up for it. He's not a good defender. His numbers in that regard only really looked good his first year (as a bottom-of-the-rotation player). He might be able to get back there, but he wouldn't be the first guy who got exposed after playing more minutes. If PATFO wants him, that's good enough for me. But it'd be clear to me why they wouldn't want him if they don't.

that's not about age or years in the league, it's just about the profile for me and imo prince has a better potential. i can agree with you on some things but you can't say prince is not a good defender.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/taurean-prince Look at his draftprofile. His weaknesses are all about offense.

[GusT15]

It's easy to list Forbes' faults to see where he comes up short, but you're not doing the same to Prince. You consider him having high upside despite him being an old prospect who's already in his third year. You call him consistent even though he doesn't seem any more consistent than the average player. As mentioned, you call him a good defender despite him not playing good defense.

That's why I said, "No matter how bad you think Forbes is, Prince is worse." Because Prince IS worse. Folks wanting to replace Bryn in the SL just assume he'll fix the problem. But what if he's terrible at rotations or has below-average agility in cross-matches? What if he's good at set threes but bad moving without the ball? What if his poor rebounding (the Hawks board better without him) negates his size? People aren't negatives on the floor without reason. There's more to being a good basketball player than being big.

You're right,i am subjectively taking it easy on Prince and not listing that he is half assing it on defense,only grabbing 4 boards per game,moving slower than his physical attributes command.I am not denying he hasn't developed as he should.But there is a reason i am doing that and it's cause he is currently playing on the worst team in the league.Tanking does that to a player (especially a player in his third year in the league).Defense in my personal opinion is 50% physical capabilities and 50% mental determination.If you're okay as a team with losing,the first thing that will be affected is your defense (cause you still want to get those juicy numbers on offence).

Anyways,i am not saying he could be the second coming of 2013 Leonard,and i am not saying he is a sure thing.I'm saying he is a player that would show and provide much more than he is providing in his current team and a player this Spurs team is lacking and in need of.If he's worth a 1st round pick in the late 20's is debatable.If he would push Bryn out of the starting line up is something that nobody can predict as well.

But i am in no way against Forbes as a player,mind you.The kid worked his butt off,he bulked up,he earned his minutes.He went from being an undrafted college prospect to a legitimate 3point threat in the NBA and a player who is always gonna keep trying in defense.
It's just that,the way this team is constructed,the lack of a 3D wing is constantly hurting us.I dunno how long can Derrick White guard the other team's SF AND orchestrate the offence AND score his 15ppg and,and,and.. The lack of said wing from the roster is putting so much responsibility in White's hands and it's starting to show late in games.

Nonetheless,this whole conversation started cause the Hawks want to move Taurean Prince,not cause the Spurs came knocking on their door.They want to develop Huerter,they don't want Prince cause the front office that drafted him is not there? Fine.Cause that to me means the team taking him on is not overpaying.Thus,we're conversing about his value and what he can provide.

[ceperez]

Beli may not be back. I don't think they can afford to keep both he and Rudy. Rudy will be in line for like a 7-8M bump with Early Bird rights, and that will come from Pau being waived or traded. Beli makes like twice what Forbes does, too.

Beli is on a two year contract.

Why would Rudy get that kind of a bump when he's been injury prone this season? If he was healthy, then yes. But his body is falling apart and what's saving him is more efficient play.

[exstatic]

Your not giving PATFO enough credit on developing Bryn. You are in the small minority who thinks Bryn is a better prospect. If Forbes was drafted by any other team we would look at him as a G leaguer. Prince drafted by the Spurs he would look that much better. He has already averaged more than 14 ppg last 2 seasons and about 38% from 3.

Bryn was never drafted, by the Spurs or anyone else. He got a camp invite, and beat out someone with a partial guarantee for the 15th spot. What Prince would have been if drafted by SA is immaterial. He wasn't, and he's 3 years into his career, and doesn't play much D at all. I agree with Chinook: RIGHT NOW, Forbes is better. Prince has more upside, but that gets left on the table all of the time by players who bust out of the league. If you make too many non-draft decisions based solely on upside, you won't have much of a career as an NBA GM. Most NBA players never reach their potential. That's one of the reasons that the Spurs have extensive interviews with almost all of their draft targets. They can figure out what their work ethic is.

[ceperez]

You're right,i am subjectively taking it easy on Prince and not listing that he is half assing it on defense,only grabbing 4 boards per game,moving slower than his physical attributes command.I am not denying he hasn't developed as he should.But there is a reason i am doing that and it's cause he is currently playing on the worst team in the league.Tanking does that to a player (especially a player in his third year in the league).Defense in my personal opinion is 50% physical capabilities and 50% mental determination.If you're okay as a team with losing,the first thing that will be affected is your defense (cause you still want to get those juicy numbers on offence).

Anyways,i am not saying he could be the second coming of 2013 Leonard,and i am not saying he is a sure thing.I'm saying he is a player that would show and provide much more than he is providing in his current team and a player this Spurs team is lacking and in need of.If he's worth a 1st round pick in the late 20's is debatable.If he would push Bryn out of the starting line up is something that nobody can predict as well.

But i am in no way against Forbes as a player,mind you.The kid worked his butt off,he bulked up,he earned his minutes.He went from being an undrafted college prospect to a legitimate 3point threat in the NBA and a player who is always gonna keep trying in defense.
It's just that,the way this team is constructed,the lack of a 3D wing is constantly hurting us.I dunno how long can Derrick White guard the other team's SF AND orchestrate the offence AND score his 15ppg and,and,and.. The lack of said wing from the roster is putting so much responsibility in White's hands and it's starting to show late in games.

Nonetheless,this whole conversation started cause the Hawks want to move Taurean Prince,not cause the Spurs came knocking on their door.They want to develop Huerter,they don't want Prince cause the front office that drafted him is not there? Fine.Cause that to me means the team taking him on is not overpaying.Thus,we're conversing about his value and what he can provide.

PATFO has given enough signals to the league that they are in search for a SF.

Hawks have said they want to trade Prince. If its because the want to develop and pay for another player then that's a better reason than saying he's damaged goods.

The case to be made for Prince is that he could play and be developed in the Spurs system.

Ideally he gets traded for nothing (i.e. Cunningham).
I don't get why a trade for Forbes is even in consideration here.
The other option is for one of the Spurs picks. If there's nobody of worth in the 1st or 2nd round, then its worth trading. Spurs favor veteran players because they know it takes several seasons to get a rookie ready to play.

The real question here is whether Prince is an upgrade over Cunningham. Cunningham's main problem is that he doesn't no where to be on the court.

[duncan2150]

PATFO has given enough signals to the league that they are in search for a SF.

Hawks have said they want to trade Prince. If its because the want to develop and pay for another player then that's a better reason than saying he's damaged goods.

The case to be made for Prince is that he could play and be developed in the Spurs system.

Ideally he gets traded for nothing (i.e. Cunningham).
I don't get why a trade for Forbes is even in consideration here.
The other option is for one of the Spurs picks. If there's nobody of worth in the 1st or 2nd round, then its worth trading. Spurs favor veteran players because they know it takes several seasons to get a rookie ready to play.

The real question here is whether Prince is an upgrade over Cunningham. Cunningham's main problem is that he doesn't no where to be on the court.

I think if we trade for prince it will be for a first ( i will give toronto pick)

you're serious about the upgrage over cunnigham ?

[ceperez]

I think if we trade for prince it will be for a first ( i will give toronto pick)

you're serious about the upgrage over cunnigham ?

There's also Stanley Johnson who has been rumored to be a target: https://airalamo.com/2019/01/24/spurs-rumors-san-antonio-trade-stanley-johnson/

Prince' numbers look better than Johnson. Spurs may be able to pickup Johnson for next to nothing.

[duncan2150]

There's also Stanley Johnson who has been rumored to be a target: https://airalamo.com/2019/01/24/spurs-rumors-san-antonio-trade-stanley-johnson/

Prince' numbers look better than Johnson. Spurs may be able to pickup Johnson for next to nothing.

both could be interesting for a late first imo

[GusT15]

Spurs may be able to pickup Johnson for next to nothing.

Well there are multiple reasons for that.

The main one being Stanley Johnson sucks donkey balls

[duncan2150]

Well there are multiple reasons for that.

The main one being Stanley Johnson sucks donkey balls

agree i'm more concerned about johnson than prince, he has some tools but is really bad in detroit.

[ceperez]

Well there are multiple reasons for that.

The main one being Stanley Johnson sucks donkey balls

But look at this defensive battle against Kawhi:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M408h-VNKs

The dude is big enough and long enough to defend.

Prince is a better offensive player were decent percentages. Stanley is a top 10 draft pick with poor numbers.

If it costs Spurs a draft pick then maybe it is worth it for either.

If Chip says that he can teach Johnson to shoot then it might be worth it.

[SpursDynasty85]

Bryn was never drafted, by the Spurs or anyone else. He got a camp invite, and beat out someone with a partial guarantee for the 15th spot. What Prince would have been if drafted by SA is immaterial. He wasn't, and he's 3 years into his career, and doesn't play much D at all. I agree with Chinook: RIGHT NOW, Forbes is better. Prince has more upside, but that gets left on the table all of the time by players who bust out of the league. If you make too many non-draft decisions based solely on upside, you won't have much of a career as an NBA GM. Most NBA players never reach their potential. That's one of the reasons that the Spurs have extensive interviews with almost all of their draft targets. They can figure out what their work ethic is.

I know that he wasn't drafted. That makes my point even more glaring. Bryn is a beneficiary of the Spurs development program and that their best players live in the paint and kick out for their shooters to shoot wide open.

Most other teams, Bryn would be required to create a lot of his own 3 pointers, which is a big struggle for him. If Bryn was on the Hawks his stats would look much worse too. They are team full of young players and with a rookie pg as their leader.
Pop could do wonders for Prince immediately.

[ceperez]

I know that he wasn't drafted. That makes my point even more glaring. Bryn is a beneficiary of the Spurs development program and that their best players live in the paint and kick out for their shooters to shoot wide open.

Most other teams, Bryn would be required to create a lot of his own 3 pointers, which is a big struggle for him. If Bryn was on the Hawks his stats would look much worse too. They are team full of young players and with a rookie pg as their leader.
Pop could do wonders for Prince immediately.

In theory.... PATFO couldn't do wonders with Cunningham.

[Spurs da champs]

In theory.... PATFO couldn't do wonders with Cunningham.
Cunnigham is much older and is what he is. I'd love to see what Spurs could do with Stanley Johnson given his youth.

[ceperez]

The better deal is Prince since he's locked up for another season. Stanley Johnson is a rental without a contract for next year. It's like Johnson is close to being kicked out of the NBA.

[ceperez]

Cunnigham is much older and is what he is. I'd love to see what Spurs could do with Stanley Johnson given his youth.

I think the odds of getting Johnson is higher than the odds of getting Prince. This also means that it'll cost less!

[SpursDynasty85]

In theory.... PATFO couldn't do wonders with Cunningham.

Prince is much better than Cunningham. Cunningham is a tall Keith Bogans. Just a hustle player who can fit in with a good team and above 30 years old now.. Prince has much better athleticism and skills and is just starting to enter his athletic prime. Cunningham is more a PF with no 3 ball. Prince is your prototypical next generation standard SF or small ball PF.

Anyway, I'm done talking about this because I am 100% sure Hawks are not trading Prince at a low price. Prince has a high market value right now and rumors were that he was discussed afterwards when their real intentions are to move Bazemore and Dedmon. Prince is a throw in because they want to get some one with high market value.

[ceperez]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robwolkenbrod/2019/01/23/as-spurs-continue-wing-search-stanley-johnson-is-viable-investment/#4698f3955f15

[sasaint]

I think the odds of getting Johnson is higher than the odds of getting Prince. This also means that it'll cost less!

Friend, in your post immediately above you posit that Johnson is close to getting kicked out of the NBA. Why would we even want such a player, much less waste anything on a trade? We have kicked/are kicking the tires on a bunch of guys like that - nay, better: Blossomgame, Washburn, Moore, Huestis. If we make any move - make it count.

[ceperez]

Prince is much better than Cunningham. Cunningham is a tall Keith Bogans. Just a hustle player who can fit in with a good team and above 30 years old now.. Prince has much better athleticism and skills and is just starting to enter his athletic prime. Cunningham is more a PF with no 3 ball. Prince is your prototypical next generation standard SF or small ball PF.

Anyway, I'm done talking about this because I am 100% sure Hawks are not trading Prince at a low price. Prince has a high market value right now and rumors were that he was discussed afterwards when their real intentions are to move Bazemore and Dedmon. Prince is a throw in because they want to get some one with high market value.

I agree here that Prince isn't going to come cheap. Hawks want to get paid premium for Prince.

[Spurs da champs]

I think the odds of getting Johnson is higher than the odds of getting Prince. This also means that it'll cost less!
A few players drafted by SVG that looked liked busts or they didn't belong: Spencer Dinwiddie and JJ Reddick. A change of scenery did wonders for both.

[ceperez]

Friend, in your post immediately above you posit that Johnson is close to getting kicked out of the NBA. Why would we even want such a player, much less waste anything on a trade? We have kicked/are kicking the tires on a bunch of guys like that - nay, better: Blossomgame, Washburn, Moore, Huestis. If we make any move - make it count.

Only reason may be perceived upside. This is a #8 pick. There's a reason for the high pick and it may have to do with the combine measurements.

[sasaint]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robwolkenbrod/2019/01/23/as-spurs-continue-wing-search-stanley-johnson-is-viable-investment/#4698f3955f15

Johnson's salvation is to move inside the arc, and you want him for our collection of mid-range shooters? I would much rather keep all of our warm bodies and draft picks.

[ceperez]

A few players drafted by SVG that looked liked busts or they didn't belong: Spencer Dinwiddie and JJ Reddick. A change of scenery did wonders for both.

Spurs have two picks next year in the 20s. Can PATFO continue to find diamonds in the rough?

Then there's Stanley Johnson, who is looking more and more like a bust.

[ceperez]

Johnson's salvation is to move inside the arc, and you want him for our collection of mid-range shooters? I would much rather keep all of our warm bodies and draft picks.

Well, I don't care for warm bodies like Pondexter and Cunningham.

[Play Boban]

That situation will resolve itself when DeJounte comes back next year.

Dejounte single handedly kills our offense because he can't shoot.

[sasaint]

Well, I don't care for warm bodies like Pondexter and Cunningham.

Nobody does. But Johnson is about the same level with possible upside. So, okay - one of those warm bodies for Johnson would be worth the look-see. But no mas.

[ceperez]

Nobody does. But Johnson is about the same level with possible upside. So, okay - one of those warm bodies for Johnson would be worth the look-see. But no mas.

That's why I said that PATFO could get him for next to nothing. At 22, Stanley Johnson's career could be over if he doesn't get a change of scenery!

[SpursDynasty85]

Dejounte single handedly kills our offense because he can't shoot.

Nah. He can shoot. He was just unwilling to. I can't think of a harder position to play in the league than the Spurs starting PG. If he just lets it go, he will be okay. He won't be curry or cp3 but he can be at least average right away I believe. It seemed he made very good strides this past offseason before getting hurt. Not to mention he will have a lot less burden with White and Derozan on the team.

[ceperez]

Nah. He can shoot. He was just unwilling to. I can't think of a harder position to play in the league than the Spurs starting PG. If he just lets it go, he will be okay. He won't be curry or cp3 but he can be at least average right away I believe. It seemed he made very good strides this past offseason before getting hurt. Not to mention he will have a lot less burden with White and Derozan on the team.

Would you trade Murray for Prince?

[Play Boban]

Nah. He can shoot. He was just unwilling to. I can't think of a harder position to play in the league than the Spurs starting PG. If he just lets it go, he will be okay. He won't be curry or cp3 but he can be at least average right away I believe. It seemed he made very good strides this past offseason before getting hurt. Not to mention he will have a lot less burden with White and Derozan on the team.

He shot 26.5% from there last year tbh. We can't have him and DeRozan in the lineup at the same time tbh.

[jermaine]

Omg if they trade Davis..... imma be mad

[Duncan87]

Clan the Spurs saying they offered Davis 2nd picks2019 2020 and cash for Rozier and yabuseli

[GusT15]

Clan the Spurs saying they offered Davis 2nd picks2019 2020 and cash for Rozier and yabuseli

No,no,no,no and NO.

The fuck,is RC on a bender again? Geez,i hope Danny Ainge said no.

[Duncan87]

Remember Clan the Spurs fan is a Spurs blogger that does this for a living and claims has pretty legit sources has a YouTube account. Check it out

[exstatic]

Would you trade Murray for Prince?

F no!

[ceperez]

Clan the Spurs saying they offered Davis 2nd picks2019 2020 and cash for Rozier and yabuseli

Is that why Davis was a no show against the sixers?

This is a very curious trade.

[GusT15]

Remember Clan the Spurs fan is a Spurs blogger that does this for a living and claims has pretty legit sources has a YouTube account. Check it out

I am not saying it's definitely not true,i have no idea.

I'm just saying no to Rozier for Bertans! Heeeeeelllllll NO.

Yabusele in one burger away from a heart attack,i ain't wasting another comment on his fat ass.

[KDKSpurs24]

Dejounte single handedly kills our offense because he can't shoot.
You can’t even say that right now because we don’t know about his progress.

[exstatic]

He shot 26.5% from there last year tbh. We can't have him and DeRozan in the lineup at the same time tbh.

Sure you can. Spurs championship teams had Tim and Tony, both players who lived in the mid range. If you can get Dejounte to be able to consistently hit the mid range off of the pick and roll, he can be like Tony...with monster defense.

[Duncan87]

Well Davis just welcomed newborn so might have been why he didn’t do road trip sooooo don’t know ifs that’s the reason

[Play Boban]

Sure you can. Spurs championship teams had Tim and Tony, both players who lived in the mid range. If you can get Dejounte to be able to consistently hit the mid range off of the pick and roll, he can be like Tony...with monster defense.

Today's NBA though. Plus Timmy was a big. That's different. We can't have a starting backcourt of non-shooters tbh.

[Duncan87]

Davis definitely our best stretch 4 aside from Rudy. Rudy health Scary also

[ernest787]

that Clan Spurs fan has 600 followers. nothing to see here. I'd look for credible sources

[Duncan87]

:pop: Rozier hasn’t gotten over himself