NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[cd021]

Marc for Pau straight up is the only way I would do that trade. I think if Marc was playing with a team of vets like SA he would elevate his game as I half think he's declining because Memphis is trash and he's going through the motions. But still dude is old and not really a position of need for us.


Can't happen cause Marc makes too much, it'd cost Bertans/Beli or some wild combination of players on low salaries ( they have to avoid the luxury tax too). And Toronto's pick. While the Spurs are unlikely to carry two more rookies on the roster next season I wouldn't give a first round pick for what may very well be a half a season rental.

Marc Gasol

for

Pau Gasol and Dante Cunningham and the Raps pick works financially. Don't think Memphis would part with Gasol for just a late 1st but Bertans/White/ Walker/ and Murray are obviously way to much to give up for him.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkMK9wl44


The question is would it help us, I think the answer is a definite no.

Would much rather just roll with this team and keep both picks up to the draft than taking on Marc when Pop has finally started playing much closer to a modern style of basketball.

[cd021]

Marc for Pau straight up is the only way I would do that trade. I think if Marc was playing with a team of vets like SA he would elevate his game as I half think he's declining because Memphis is trash and he's going through the motions. But still dude is old and not really a position of need for us.


I think he would just be really nice for the second unit playing with Davis. Moves Davis to the 3 where I think he may be better suited as he seems to guard the perimeter better than inside. Also takes pressure off of Davis rebounding. This would also take some minutes off of Demar

white-Forbes-DeRozan-gay-Aldridge
mills- Belinelli- Bertans- mirotic- Poeltl

i love that second unit

Bertans would play like 10-15 minutes though.

I like the Mills, Beli, DDR, Bertans, Jakob unit better.

Though I am interesting in the Randle Mirotic for a 1st idea...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Marc Gasol

for

Pau Gasol and Dante Cunningham and the Raps pick works financially. Don't think Memphis would part with Gasol for just a late 1st but Bertans/White/ Walker/ and Murray are obviously way to much to give up for him.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkMK9wl44


The question is would it help us, I think the answer is a definite no.

Would much rather just roll with this team and keep both picks up to the draft than taking on Marc when Pop has finally started playing much closer to a modern style of basketball.

I agree with you that this doesn't really help the Spurs too much, although you could argue that the PnR defense sucks anyway, so they may just want to try making up for it with twin tower lineups on the other end.

This trade pushes the Spurs into the tax, though, and I don't believe they could afford it.

[szkorhetz]

Mirotic>>>Randle, TBQH

[exstatic]

Mirotic>>>Randle, TBQH

Only on long distance shooting. Randle scores more, grabs more boards, has more assists.

[ceperez]

Randle and Mirotic took Pelicans stuff out of their profiles.

Well, both are free agents next season. They could ask for a buyout if Pelicans intend to tank. Spurs could get one of them for cheap for a playoff run (though unlikely).

[ceperez]

Marc Gasol

for

Pau Gasol and Dante Cunningham and the Raps pick works financially. Don't think Memphis would part with Gasol for just a late 1st but Bertans/White/ Walker/ and Murray are obviously way to much to give up for him.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkMK9wl44


The question is would it help us, I think the answer is a definite no.

Would much rather just roll with this team and keep both picks up to the draft than taking on Marc when Pop has finally started playing much closer to a modern style of basketball.

Marc Gasol has a player option for next year, but worse case, the tab is $25m.

Memphis will likely take a deal for Pau and Cunningham. This will cost them only $6m next year (if they waive Pau). So it clears up cap space.

Spurs will have Marc without cap space for next season. Now considering that nobody is going to knock off GSW in the West. Having Marc (potentially GSW kryptonite) bumps up the odds of beating GSW. It's an an unorthodox plan but if Spurs can beat them up down low, they might have a very slim chance.

Mirotic is a nice target but I don't think it moves the needle much.

[cd021]

Well, both are free agents next season. They could ask for a buyout if Pelicans intend to tank. Spurs could get one of them for cheap for a playoff run (though unlikely).

No incentive for the Pels to buy them out unless they don't get moved but I think a first is pretty reasonable for each so one may and one may not be traded.

[cd021]

Marc Gasol has a player option for next year, but worse case, the tab is $25m.

Memphis will likely take a deal for Pau and Cunningham. This will cost them only $6m next year (if they waive Pau). So it clears up cap space.

Spurs will have Marc without cap space for next season. Now considering that nobody is going to knock off GSW in the West. Having Marc (potentially GSW kryptonite) bumps up the odds of beating GSW. It's an an unorthodox plan but if Spurs can beat them up down low, they might have a very slim chance.

Mirotic is a nice target but I don't think it moves the needle much.

They are trading arguably their best player in franchise history for essentially cap relief and a late first. Don't think they would actually do the deal that I suggested and I certainly hope that PATFO wouldn't either.

Gaso doesn't fit a need and the Spurs are better served with the twin towers model being a thing of the past.

Gay and Bertans should be the 4s and Aldridge and Poeltl should be the 5s tbh.

[MoSpur02]

The Knicks are going to look into trading Porzingis after he had a meeting with them. I think I recall something about the Spurs wanting to possibly sign him once he became a free agent.

[lmbebo]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25893669/kristaps-porzingis-concerned-losing-direction-new-york-knicks

[bklynspursfan]

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[MoSpur02]

According to Woj Spurs are one of the teams interested in acquiring Porzingis

[bklynspursfan]

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[Spurs da champs]

Porzingis is a diva, but this is very interesting.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

how

I want it

but howwwwwwwwwwwwww :wow

[Texas_Ranger]

we are always in the mix.

[r0drig0lac]

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[Dex]

we are always in the mix.

Exactly. We've been leveraged more than...well...something that gets used for leverage a lot.

[DAF86]

Either Porzingis told the Knicks he isn't resigning with them or his injury is even worse than imagined. I don't see any other scenario where the Knicks would be interested in trading Porzingis away.

[Chillen]

Probably something that includes Murray, Walker, and maybe a Pau salary dump with the Toronto 1st.

[MoSpur02]

He's making like $4-$5 million per year this and next correct?

[look_at_g_shred]

it's gotta be one of either lma/derozan plus walker and a first ? maybe both first's?

[MoSpur02]

Either Porzingis told the Knicks he isn't resigning with them or his injury is even worse than imagined. I don't see any other scenario where the Knicks would be interested in trading Porzingis away.



Apparently he told them he wants out.

[look_at_g_shred]

I wonder with the emergence of white, they feel murray is expendable? He and porzingis both coming off acl tears...

[marinoman]

Is he gonna comeback from injury this Season? So let’s pretend we get him, it takes a minute to adjust to the spurs system, so this year he’ll be nothing prolly

[coachmac87]

Pau, Murray, 2 firsts for Porzingis and Lance Thomas salary dump?

[RodNIc91]

He's making like $4-$5 million per year this and next correct?

If that’s so, would Pau, Asset, FRP, work for Kanye and Porzingis?

[bklynspursfan]

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[r0drig0lac]

Is he gonna comeback from injury this Season? So let’s pretend we get him, it takes a minute to adjust to the spurs system, so this year he’ll be nothing prolly

superstar ceiling

[Chillen]

Pau, Murray, 2 firsts for Porzingis and Lance Thomas salary dump?

Yeah and Spurs would have to probably include the Toronto 1st rounder. Seems like Knicks would do a deal like this to try and acquire AD, the more picks the merrier.

[MoSpur02]

Either Porzingis told the Knicks he isn't resigning with them or his injury is even worse than imagined. I don't see any other scenario where the Knicks would be interested in trading Porzingis away.



Apparently he told them he wants out.

[MoSpur02]

Wow. That was quick. He's going to Dallas

[Ron Swanson]

Mavs about to trade DSJ for him.

[R. DeMurre]

Porzingis has asked for a trade.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25893669/kristaps-porzingis-concerned-losing-direction-new-york-knicks

[bklynspursfan]

wtf lol

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[RodNIc91]

Wow. That was quick. He's going to Dallas

The Mavs? Link or is that your sources?

[r0drig0lac]

mavs....https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091073106658160644

[Dex]

mavs....https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091073106658160644

:lol Well that was fun while it lasted.

[MoSpur02]

Mark Cuban is quick. Hopefully it's another DeAndre Jordan thing where it doesn't go through

[marinoman]

Dallas got em

[StinkyWeezleteats]

@wojespn: Let's try that again: Dallas is finalizing a deal to land Kristaps Porzingis, league sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/WacB71H1JW


m.twitter.com/wojespn

[Dverde]

Has Portzingis ever been healthy for a whole season?

[Chillen]

Spurs had enough to get him, just absolutely ridiculous he is going to Mavs.

[R. DeMurre]

Wow. That was quick. He's going to Dallas

Where are you seeing this?

[marinoman]

Porzingis has asked for a trade.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25893669/kristaps-porzingis-concerned-losing-direction-new-york-knicks
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/13/92/c9/1392c94f3660e1a023102ade80e6dc86--titanic-sinking-real-titanic.jpg

[lmbebo]

Where are you seeing this?

Twitter

[Dex]

Has Portzingis ever been healthy for a whole season?

Nope. He's only in his 4th year and could already be damaged goods.

[RD2191]

FUCKING MAVS FUCK

[emanueldavidginobili]

Only way the Knicks even think about it is if they offer Walker, White, DJ and a first round pick. All the report says is Spurs are interested no where it says Knicks are interested in dealing him. Absolutely zero chance this happens.

[slick'81]

Lol like we were getting him with our trash

[emanueldavidginobili]

Luka and Kristaps wow

[RD2191]

Has Portzingis ever been healthy for a whole season?

Who the hell cares? Spurm fans. "Didn't want him anyway" :cry

[RD2191]

Only way the Knicks even think about it is if they offer Walker, White, DJ and a first round pick. All the report says is Spurs are interested no where it says Knicks are interested in dealing him. Absolutely zero chance this happens.

You're right, because he's a Mav now.

[RD2191]

Spurs had enough to get him, just absolutely ridiculous he is going to Mavs.

Fucking PATFO, worthless fucks.

[K...]

What is Dallas sending? The don't have a first... Dennis Smith >Murray? Either they're eating a contact in the Spurs went cheap.

[R. DeMurre]

Cuban trying to build a SuperEuroTeam.

[look_at_g_shred]

Fucking PATFO, worthless fucks.
PATFO drunk off of wine atm...watching highlights of Keith Boggins

[lmbebo]

New York has agreed with Dallas on trade that includes Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr., for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN. Players and agents are being notified of particulars. Deal may include more draft assets.

[R. DeMurre]

The Knicks continue their stellar recent record of mismanagement.

[BatManu20]

How random. Damn

[duncan2k5]

U guys are seriously overrating our trash

[look_at_g_shred]

That's why. No way the spurs were eating that albatross of a contract in Hardaway

[bklynspursfan]

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[K...]

U guys are seriously overrating our trash

But Dallas had trash too!

[duncan2k5]

But that's what happens when you don't play young players... You can't trade them because they have no value... Dennis Smith was playing, and teams liked what they saw

[R. DeMurre]

So the Knicks now have 4 young point guards....

[look_at_g_shred]

The Knicks continue their stellar recent record of mismanagement.
Actually they got off the THJ contract which is a win in itself

[Chillen]

Great move by the Mavs if Kristaps can stay healthy, they have enough now to still to appeal to Mavs fans of the Dirk era while Dirk gets ready for retirement. Could wind up being a brilliant movie if Doncic gets even better and they add another superstar.

[GreekSpursfan]

If KP is 100% healthy going forward Dallas might be the team to beat in a few years. KP friends with Giannis too and they will have cap space when Giannis hits free agency. This isn't looking good for us.

[slick'81]

Mavs getting a great deal

[szkorhetz]

Mavs will be the next Superteam, TBH.

[BatManu20]

But that's what happens when you don't play young players... You can't trade them because they have no value... Dennis Smith was playing, and teams liked what they saw

Dennis Smith is overrated as fuck... Seriously, he’s not very good.

And Porzingis is 7’3 with knee and foot issues.. who knows how he’s going to be moving forward. Could be a steal, or could be a disaster. They’re also eating Hardaway’s terrible contract that still has like $50 owed to him over the next 2 1/2 seasons. Decent chance this isn’t the mega steal that it appears to be at first glance. Only time will tell, though I don’t fault the Mavs at all for taking the chance.

[John B]

New York has agreed with Dallas on trade that includes Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr., for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN. Players and agents are being notified of particulars. Deal may include more draft assets.
Luka and Porzingis dang. They just got another 10 years being relevant.

[r0drig0lac]

Who the hell cares? Spurm fans. "Didn't want him anyway" :cry

modus operandi spurstalk

[slick'81]

U mean nobody wants out future all star poodle or injured murray or lw4 whos played like 3 games!?

[Gibbz]

Dennis Smith is terrible, this was just a deal to open up 2 max contracts this offseason for NYK to pursue KD.

[Chinook]

Mavs paid a lot. We're talking about five firsts worth, and that's valuing Smith as a regular pick. It's not that it's a bad price to pay or anything. But folks thinking the Spurs could have matched it aren't really looking at the trade correctly. No way could the Spurs have made the same deal. The Knicks are taking a decent gamble that they can make something of their space, but even if they don't, they have a lot of rebuilding potential now.

[objective]

Knicks are so damn stupid

Luka & Porzingis is the 1-2 star pairing that's going to have the Mavs in the playoffs every year

Giving up KP for a salary dump of a player they shouldn't have signed while getting a point guard they passed on & that the Mavs were trying to dump anyway?

So awful

[Degoat]

Crazy, really wish spurs could have got him

[slick'81]

Knicks are so damn stupid

Luka & Porzingis is the 1-2 star pairing that's going to have the Mavs in the playoffs every year

Giving up KP for a salary dump of a player they shouldn't have signed while getting a point guard they passed on & that the Mavs were trying to dump anyway?

So awful

just wait till the lakers get davis for zo and ingram

[TD 21]

Spurs obviously didn't have the centerpiece needed to pull off a trade of this magnitude. Walker might become the sort of go-to scorer that could become that in time, but he's too much of an unknown at this point and his draft pedigree isn't as strong as Smith's.

If the Knicks can't re-route Matthews via trade and he gets bought out, I could see him ending up a Spur. He's good friends with Aldridge and we all know about the need on the wing. Sure, he's past his prime and not a big wing, but he's bulky enough to guard some of them.

[GreekSpursfan]

Dennis Smith is overrated as fuck... and Porzingis is 7’3 with knee and foot issues.. who knows how he’s going to be moving forward. Could be a steal, or could be a disaster. They’re also eating Hardaway’s terrible contract that still has like $50 owed to him over the next 2 1/2 seasons.

Their plan is pretty obvious to me. Giannis hits free agency the same time Hardaway's contract expires, KP close friends with Giannis, you can figure out the rest. Their gamble is KP staying healthy and they don't have a problem to wait for him for as long as it takes to be 100%.

[exstatic]

Either Porzingis told the Knicks he isn't resigning with them or his injury is even worse than imagined. I don't see any other scenario where the Knicks would be interested in trading Porzingis away.

He probably told them he was going to sign the QO next summer, and walk the summer after.

Let me be clear: I have no issues with players wanting to move. What I have an issue with is the collusion, mainly by Magic Johnson and/or Rich Paul to move his clients around to get them together. I think Super Teams are bad. I don't have a problem with a player saying "I want to be traded". I DO have a problem with a player saying "I want to be traded, but will only re-sign with ___________".

[Play Boban]

Mavs just became my second favorite team tbh. Top two Euros in the world tbh.....

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Mavs are gonna be destroying the Spurs for years to come.

[bklynspursfan]

Mavs are gonna be destroying the Spurs for years to come.

They've had more talented teams before and still got smoked. I'll need to see that before I believe it.

[Chillen]

The Mavs could try and make a playoff push but if they don't get in they could even wind up with Zion maybe.

Got to give Cuban tons of credit, have an off year and come back stronger.

[Spurs4#5]

My guess is that the spurs didn’t have enough expiring contracts to get the deal done. It’s pretty brilliant on the part of the knicks though. Trade away bad contracts plus a broken down KP, take back expiring money plus a young player on a rookie contract, have the potential to land number 1 overall in the draft and entice the pelicans with a high draft pick plus add Kanter and filler for Davis and bring Durant over in the summer. This is what I would guess their mindset is

[slick'81]

They've had more talented teams before and still got smoked. I'll need to see that before I believe it.


If kp gets healthy youll b seeing alot of it

[R. DeMurre]

This makes no sense to me. The Knicks have three young PGs fighting it out and now they've added a 4th who shoots low percentages and doesn't play defense. It's rough to see any team go into to full tank/rebuilding mode, but it's especially sad to see a team that has already been terrible for 5 years do it.

[Chillen]

My guess is that the spurs didn’t have enough expiring contracts to get the deal done. It’s pretty brilliant on the part of the knicks though. Trade away bad contracts plus a broken down KP, take back expiring money plus a young player on a rookie contract, have the potential to land number 1 overall in the draft and entice the pelicans with a high draft pick plus add Kanter and filler for Davis and bring Durant over in the summer. This is what I would guess their mindset is

Yeah but the Mavs could miss the playoffs to and also be in play for Zion.

It seems like the Knicks will go all in and try and sign Durant and Irving.

[exstatic]

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Y'Know, I love Dejounte, but if you can get a young franchise center, who can play the modern game, you do it.

[Gibbz]

Porzingis will leave after next season to go suck on late-thirties LeBron.

[lmbebo]

Y'Know, I love Dejounte, but if you can get a young franchise center, who can play the modern game, you do it.

Maybe that explains his instagram post the other day when he was thanking the spurs? He heard about the trade talk?

[MannyIsGod]

The Knicks are the dumbest fucking team ever. Fucking hate that Dallas has basically finished their rebuild already and Dirk is still on that roster. They're not favorites or anything but that trade will make them a playoff team in the future easily.

[slick'81]

Maybe that explains his instagram post the other day when he was thanking the spurs? He heard about the trade talk?

He was thanking the spurs for taking a chance on him when no other team did.we were not getting kp

[John B]

Mavs just became my second favorite team tbh. Top two Euros in the world tbh.....
I’d put Jokic ahead of Porzingis tbh, and nobody knows what’s he like after the injury. Still Murray, Walker, White, Metu and Poeltl is not bad tbh.

[GreekSpursfan]

So now KP wants to sign the qualifying offer with Dallas which means he doesn't want to commit to them long term. WTF is going on?

[exstatic]

So now KP wants to sign the qualifying offer with Dallas which means he doesn't want to commit to them long term. WTF is going on?

What? Where?

[Mr. Body]

Wow, good for the Mavs. Fucking demolished the Knicks with this trade. WTF?

[GreekSpursfan]

What? Where?

Check Shams Charania twitter‏ (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Επαληθευμένος λογαριασμός (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

[tbdog]

That's massive for the mavs. Two young studs then cap space later on.

[exstatic]

Check Shams Charania twitter‏ (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Επαληθευμένος λογαριασμός (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)



That's HUGE, and maybe why the price tag was so cheap. I'm not sure he wouldn't have done this for any trade. Seems like he's adamant about going into FA in 2020.

[exstatic]

That's massive for the mavs. Two young studs then cap space later on.

Porzingas is going to sign his QO and go into FA in 2020.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

The Knicks are the dumbest fucking team ever. Fucking hate that Dallas has basically finished their rebuild already and Dirk is still on that roster. They're not favorites or anything but that trade will make them a playoff team in the future easily.

Wonder if they'll go for Klay in the offseason.

[marinoman]

I would have talked myself into porzingus trade being good if we got him, but honestly his body will always get injured imo. He looks like a giraffe, an oden type career ender seems likely to me

[slick'81]

Porzingas is going to sign his QO and go into FA in 2020.

dude wants to get paid.

[GreekSpursfan]

That's HUGE, and maybe why the price tag was so cheap. I'm not sure he wouldn't have done this for any trade. Seems like he's adamant about going into FA in 2020.

Yep and i hope he ends up a Spur.

[R. DeMurre]

Who knows what's happening behind the scenes, but I find it hard to believe Durant and Kyrie would want to join a team that has been massively mismanaged for many years and has very little talent. Why would Durant want to start from scratch like that?

[exstatic]

dude wants to get paid.

I think he wants to pick his team. He'd get paid by signing with Dallas. Still a smart move by Cuban, even if it turns out to be a 1.5 year rental.

[TD 21]

Porzingis is overrated and probably unlikely to be durable going forward, but it's still a worthwhile trade for the Mavs. They couldn't attract stars in free agency and were unlikely to pick high enough to have a reasonable chance of drafting a star for the foreseeable future.

It's worthwhile for the Knicks too, presuming they have some level of confidence in being able to attract at least 1 max player soon. If not this year, they could roll it over and become a dumping ground for expiring dead money in exchange for more picks (Ntilikina also becomes expendable). Smith obviously has to become something of consequence too.

[ducks]

if knicks can trade for davis then get durant there
davis durant and jordon just need some guards

[Play Boban]

I’d put Jokic ahead of Porzingis tbh, and nobody knows what’s he like after the injury. Still Murray, Walker, White, Metu and Poeltl is not bad tbh.

Good point, truth nuke. Blanked on Jokic for some reason.

[BatManu20]

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[GusT15]

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Mavs basically have one year and a half to get a contender rolling with Porzingis coming back from an ACL and Doncic on just his second year in 19-20 and hope if they good the Latvian stays.

Knicks obviously traded Porzingis cause he informed them he was signing the QO in their meeting today and wanted out as much as KP6 wanted out.

Porzingis has one year and a half to prove he is the same player after the ACL,also durable,and then he is going in free agency in summer of 2020.

Trades generally tend to resolve issues and answer questions about what the future holds.

This trade is in a simple word...a clusterfuck.

I don't know what to make of it...

[Dverde]

I actually like the trade for the Knicks. They opened up a ton of cap space and can kick the tires on Jordan. They sign KD and another max player equals a high contender in the east. I think it’s a good trade for both. Dallas really blew their load on one injury prone guy. He is the unicorn.

[gambit1990]

awesome move by the mavs :tu if dirk were younger they’d have one hell of a trio.

i wish the spurs would gamble...

[r0drig0lac]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Mavs just became my second favorite team tbh. Top two Euros in the world tbh.....

The top 2 MVP candidates in the league(Giannis and Jokic) are Euros:lol

[r0drig0lac]

The top 2 MVP candidates in the league(Giannis and Jokic) are Euros:lol

Harden? Curry?

[TheGreatYacht]

Did the Mavs give up any draft picks?

[GusT15]

Harden? Curry?

Harden is an MVP candidate,unfortunately,cause he is still a ref baiting piece of shit.

But Curry? Really? Leading a team with Durant,Cousins,Klay and Raymond?

Come on man,who in their right mind will vote for an MVP on this years Warriors?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The Mavs could try and make a playoff push but if they don't get in they could even wind up with Zion maybe.

Got to give Cuban tons of credit, have an off year and come back stronger.

Which is something the spurs should’ve been doing now

[BillMc]

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Davis needs to get recruiting his countryman. Be nice to Davis Pop....

[GusT15]

Did the Mavs give up any draft picks?

The current report is at "likely a future first round pick".We don't know yet.

[r0drig0lac]

Harden is an MVP candidate,unfortunately,cause he is still a ref baiting piece of shit.

But Curry? Really? Leading a team with Durant,Cousins,Klay and Raymond?

Come on man,who in their right mind will vote for an MVP on this years Warriors?

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/01/25/kia-mvp-ladder-week-15-2018-19?collection=writer/archive/sekou-smith

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

unfortunately he is still a strong candidate, although it does not deserve (although I believe that regardless of what happens Harden will be the mvp)

[HarlemHeat37]

Harden? Curry?

Harden will probably win it, sadly, but the other 2 are more deserving IMO..it'll be just like Westbrook winning..

[GreekSpursfan]

Lets hope the Lakers get Kidd as their coach based on some reports so we can keep laughing at them moving forward

[GusT15]

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/01/25/kia-mvp-ladder-week-15-2018-19?collection=writer/archive/sekou-smith

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

unfortunately he is still a strong candidate, although it does not deserve (although I believe that regardless of what happens Harden will be the mvp)

He is having a great year,don't get me wrong and that forces articles to recognize him in the MVP ladder but when it's actually time to vote they go with the narrative,the story.

If Harden gets Houston in the top3 while scoring like he has been,i give him a 50% chance to repeat.

If Giannis has the Bucks 1st seed in the East i give him a 50% chance.

I'll give Curry a mouthpiece to perform oral on and wish him to twist an ankle in the playoffs so the most unfairly stacked team of all time dissolves overnight.

[DAF86]

My guess is that the spurs didn’t have enough expiring contracts to get the deal done. It’s pretty brilliant on the part of the knicks though. Trade away bad contracts plus a broken down KP, take back expiring money plus a young player on a rookie contract, have the potential to land number 1 overall in the draft and entice the pelicans with a high draft pick plus add Kanter and filler for Davis and bring Durant over in the summer. This is what I would guess their mindset is

Knicks traded for Smith, Jordan and Matthews. None of those are expiring contracts.

[Dverde]

This made me laugh...

https://twitter.com/br_nba/status/1091085716065521666?s=21

[GusT15]

Knicks traded for Smith, Jordan and Matthews. None of those are expiring contracts.

Smith is a rookie contract,Jordan and Matthews are expiring,UFA in the summer.

[Hoops Czar]

Knicks traded for Smith, Jordan and Matthews. None of those are expiring contracts.
Pretty sure two of them will be bought out.

[ceperez]

Knicks traded for Smith, Jordan and Matthews. None of those are expiring contracts.

What do you mean?

[DAF86]

Smith is a rookie contract,Jordan and Matthews are expiring,UFA in the summer.

You are right, I stand corrected son.

[GusT15]

Two future firsts going to NYC,Cuban must really think he will get Porzingis to commit.

[exstatic]

I actually like the trade for the Knicks. They opened up a ton of cap space and can kick the tires on Jordan. They sign KD and another max player equals a high contender in the east. I think it’s a good trade for both. Dallas really blew their load on one injury prone guy. He is the unicorn.

Why would KD sign with them? They've been a dumpster fire for the better part of 20 years. If the Spurs are the gold standard for franchise management, Dolan is the shit standard.

[ceperez]

Appears Mavs owe the Knicks a 1st round pick that they don't currently own.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25894335/dallas-mavericks-agree-trade-new-york-knicks-kristaps-porzingis

What can the Spurs get for the Raptors pick?

[BillMc]

Appears Mavs owe the Knicks a 1st round pick that they don't currently own.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25894335/dallas-mavericks-agree-trade-new-york-knicks-kristaps-porzingis

What can the Spurs get for the Raptors pick?

Carlisle if Pop retires. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Why would KD sign with them? They've been a dumpster fire for the better part of 20 years. If the Spurs are the gold standard for franchise management, Dolan is the shit standard.
Who carees? Knicks will have Kyrie, Durant and Zion to start the 2019-20 season. That's as good a trio as any in the NBA.

[boutons_deux]

Two future firsts going to NYC,Cuban must really think he will get Porzingis to commit.

Reports that P to DAL done

[Dverde]

Why would KD sign with them? They've been a dumpster fire for the better part of 20 years. If the Spurs are the gold standard for franchise management, Dolan is the shit standard.

Lebron showed the players they have the power not the owners. KD’s team can build the team using DMs recruiting other players in the offseason. MSG is a special place to play and he would be the man there. KD is thirsty for validation and legacy.

[8FOR!3]

Wonder what the Mavs' lineup looks like the rest of the year. I'm assuming Hardaway/Luka/Barnes at SG/SF/PF but who starts at PG, Barea or Burke? And center I'm guessing it'll be Dwight Powell or Maxi Kleber (maybe Mejri/Dirk??)

[GusT15]

Wonder what the Mavs' lineup looks like the rest of the year. I'm assuming Hardaway/Luka/Barnes at SG/SF/PF but who starts at PG, Barea or Burke? And center I'm guessing it'll be Dwight Powell or Maxi Kleber (maybe Mejri/Dirk??)

Brunson/Doncic/Barnes/Kleber/Powell?

Barea is done with an achilles tear,Dirk is done with old age.THJ will start if Carlisle likes him for sure.

[TheGreatYacht]

So the Mavs won't have their next 3 first round picks? Lol sucks to suck...

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs would've probably had to offer Pau and Rudy Gay, cause those are the only big expiring contracts. Something like Pau, Gay, Forbes, Walker and Toronto Pick for Porzingis, Hardaway and Lee. Dallas offer was clearly better and I don't think that trade makes a lot of sense for the Spurs either. They could resign Gay in the offseason, but still. Hardaway and Lee are bad deals

[TD 21]

Wonder what the Mavs' lineup looks like the rest of the year. I'm assuming Hardaway/Luka/Barnes at SG/SF/PF but who starts at PG, Barea or Burke? And center I'm guessing it'll be Dwight Powell or Maxi Kleber (maybe Mejri/Dirk??)

I'd guess they waive Spalding and go with . . .

Barnes/Powell
Lee/Finney-Smith/Broekhoff
Kleber/Nowitzki/Mejri/*Porzingis
Hardaway/Harris
Doncic/Brunson/Burke/*Barea

* Out for season.

Lee and Doncic would cross match defensively.

[exstatic]

Porzingas thinks he's ready to go. It's been a year, and that was one of his points of contention with the NYK. If Dallas holds him out, it may cost them points in 2020.

[RC_Drunkford]

On another note, I think Spurs would've rather offered Poeltl instead of Walker or Murray. If you trade away Pau, Gay, Forbes and Poeltl and do some type of wink-wink deal so that Gay accepts the MLE next season, you would basically replace Forbes and Poeltl with Hardaway and Porzingis and you would have a wing defender in Courtney Lee.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybt9cgg4

Murray/White/Mills
DeRozan/Hardaway/Walker
Lee/Belinelli/Rookie SF
Gay/Bertans/Metu
LA/Porzingis/Milutinov?

damn that roster looks pretty good...Mavs still had the better package though

[tbdog]

Two future firsts going to NYC,Cuban must really think he will get Porzingis to commit.

They got 20 million per year reasons to convince Port he'll resign. For a first time free agent with injury history, he'll resign.

[slick'81]

They got 20 million per year reasons to convince Port he'll resign. For a first time free agent with injury history, he'll resign.


True he already left ny where would he go la!?

[TheGreatYacht]

Knicks robbed them if the two first round picks are unprotected :lol

Favorites to land Zion, 2 max contract slots available, Dennis Smith Jr, two first round draft picks, not having to pay a faux star because he's white....

[RD2191]

Knicks robbed them if the two first round picks are unprotected :lol

Favorites to land Zion, 2 max contract slots available, Dennis Smith Jr, two first round draft picks, not having to pay a faux star because he's white....

We're talking about the Knicks though, they'll find a way to fuck it up.

[sasaint]

True he already left ny where would he go la!?

Dallas was made for him. The fans are primed for Dirk deux.

[GreekSpursfan]

Knicks didnt rob anyone only themselves, those two 1sts will be very low, Dallas will sign another free agent in the summer, they seem to have a plan in place, lots of free agents in the summer, they can go for Middleton for example, it doesn't have to be a big name. Knicks on the other hand only hope is Zion because i dont see any big name free agent going there with Dolan as the owner. Lets clear cap space for nothing and get very low 1sts that guarantee shit.

[tbdog]

Knicks didnt rob anyone only themselves, those two 1sts will be very low, Dallas will sign another free agent in the summer, they seem to have a plan in place, lots of free agents in the summer, they can go for Middleton for example, it doesn't have to be a big name. Knicks on the other hand only hope is Zion because i dont see any big name free agent going there with Dolan as the owner. Lets clear cap space for nothing and get very low 1sts that guarantee shit.

Durant is going to the Knicks, regardless of the front office. Called it a year ago. Durant cares nothing about winning after getting the 3pete. He cares about money, his image, and personal accomplishments. He goes to the Knicks, becomes the face of a huge sporting team, brings playoff basketball back to NY while scoring a massive amount of points and earning massive coin.

[Spurs9]

"Windhorst: "when they iced Dennis Smith a few weeks ago... one of the teams they were talking to was Orlando about Mo Bamba... Mo Bamba is available on the market""
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?mt=2#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn .com%2Fespnradio%2Fpodcast%3Fid%3D25895122
20 min mark.

[Spurs718]

Knicks never get shit

[Spurs718]

Who carees? Knicks will have Kyrie, Durant and Zion to start the 2019-20 season. That's as good a trio as any in the NBA.

Knicks never get shit

[acoelho1]

If the Knicks don’t land Durant, this is a terrible trade. I think people forget how good KP is and the only concern is his long term health.

[sasaint]

"Windhorst: "when they iced Dennis Smith a few weeks ago... one of the teams they were talking to was Orlando about Mo Bamba... Mo Bamba is available on the market""
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?mt=2#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn .com%2Fespnradio%2Fpodcast%3Fid%3D25895122
20 min mark.

Man, I coveted Bamba in the draft. Why in the world would Orlando put him on the market already?

[Realdeal1]

I think this a win for both teams ... New York clears up cap space for two max stars ( Durant and Kyrie) and may possibly land Zion in the draft while Dallas pairs up Porzingis and Luka with the potential to add a third star in the future .. nice re build for the mavs... kinda hate them right now for pulling this off

[cjw]

Who knows what's happening behind the scenes, but I find it hard to believe Durant and Kyrie would want to join a team that has been massively mismanaged for many years and has very little talent. Why would Durant want to start from scratch like that?


I think this a win for both teams ... New York clears up cap space for two max stars ( Durant and Kyrie) and may possibly land Zion in the draft while Dallas pairs up Porzingis and Luka with the potential to add a third star in the future .. nice re build for the mavs... kinda hate them right now for pulling this off

It only works if they are able to pick up both of them. I guess Kawhi and Butler could move too. Klay isn’t leaving and then the list falls off. Middleton, Kemba and Harris are nice but will be extremely expensive.

[Spurs9]

Man, I coveted Bamba in the draft. Why in the world would Orlando put him on the market already?

I have no idea, Spurs should definitely go after him.

[ceperez]

I think this a win for both teams ... New York clears up cap space for two max stars ( Durant and Kyrie) and may possibly land Zion in the draft while Dallas pairs up Porzingis and Luka with the potential to add a third star in the future .. nice re build for the mavs... kinda hate them right now for pulling this off

Mavs now look like a team that potentially can have two superstars. Spurs aren't going anywhere with their aging stars. The only real way for smaller market teams to get stars is to find them in the draft. You can't do that without trading your way for higher draft picks.

[8FOR!3]

Man, I coveted Bamba in the draft. Why in the world would Orlando put him on the market already?

I agree, I’d be selling high on Vucevic not low on Bamba

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What a great deal for the Knicks, especially if true that Porzingis is looking to sign the QO, regardless of whether with them or Mavs. Knicks dump their two bad contracts and get two picks that look to be 2021 Dallas unprotected first ( if Porz leaves in 2020 it could become the best trade asset in the league ) and a 2023 first with some protection.

I'd be happy if I'm a Knicks fan, they can throw it all for Davis now too if they decide to go this route.

[8FOR!3]

I have no idea, Spurs should definitely go after him.

I’d give up our first round picks. I’d want to keep Poeltl though, Bamba would start Poeltl would come off the bench. I’m assuming Orlando would want more...Forbes? Got a feeling that’s not enough and anything else wouldn’t be worth it

[r0drig0lac]

bats lmao

[tbdog]

Some insight - since the current basic NBA salary structures have been in place (over 20yrs) not one player has turned down a max rookie extension and signed the QO instead. KP would be the first if he did it. Seems extremely unlikely to me esp given his injury history.

[Blackhaus]

Reports are that he will do exactly what nobody has done

[Spurs da champs]

"Windhorst: "when they iced Dennis Smith a few weeks ago... one of the teams they were talking to was Orlando about Mo Bamba... Mo Bamba is available on the market""
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?mt=2#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn .com%2Fespnradio%2Fpodcast%3Fid%3D25895122
20 min mark.
I wonder what it would cost...if the Spurs can get rid of the bum Poeltl for Bamba, that would be awesome.

[cd021]

So the Mavs won't have their next 3 first round picks? Lol sucks to suck...

Think it's 2019 ( ATL) 2021 & 2023 to New York

[cjw]

Think it's 2019 ( ATL) 2021 & 2023 to New York

2023 is top 10 protected too. Luka will be on the team in 2020-2021 so they won’t be terrible.

Living around a bunch of Knicks fans, this is just a laughable move. Tune into some NY sports radio if you want your entertainment for the day.

1.) don’t sign these horrible contracts in the first place

2.) don’t trade your best asset for a third young PG when you’re targeting another PG (Kyrie) this summer. Amazing that Spurs have two way better young PG despite picking at the end of the first round than the Knicks wasting lottery picks. Almost as bad as Kahn and the Wolves picking Rubio and Flynn over Curry.

[Chinook]

I think folks are overrating Kristaps. He's a good player, but with his injury history and his apparent desire to play the free-agent market as quickly as possible, his value wasn't that high. Dallas paid a lot for him, and it's a huge gamble. New York made some mistakes, but they got out of them well. Even if they just plan on tanking for the next few years, this was a good trade. This could be a precursor to going after max free agents (like that McGrady deal in 2010 was), but it could also be like that Jrue Holiday trade Philly did. There really wasn't any more value the Knicks could have gotten out of the Mavs, and that's why the trade went down so fast. Eff the New York media.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think folks are overrating Kristaps. He's a good player, but with his injury history and his apparent desire to play the free-agent market as quickly as possible, his value wasn't that high. Dallas paid a lot for him, and it's a huge gamble. New York made some mistakes, but they got out of them well. Even if they just plan on tanking for the next few years, this was a good trade. This could be a precursor to going after max free agents (like that McGrady deal in 2010 was), but it could also be like that Jrue Holiday trade Philly did. There really wasn't any more value the Knicks could have gotten out of the Mavs, and that's why the trade went down so fast. Eff the New York media.

I agree, everyone is hating the trade for the Knicks but I really don't think it's that bad at all, especially if they were sure Porzingis would leave in a year. Huge gamble for Dallas calling his bluff on signing the QO with them too. It'd be very brave of him and frankly, very unwise to say the least. But if he really does then these 2021 and 2023 picks could be golden with or without Doncic. Dallas have never been able to attract anyone really good in FA.

Also is there a better package for Davis than NY's 2019 pick and Dallas's 2021 and 2023 + expirings? NY can now wait until the summer and to know exactly where their pick lands before making an offer for Davis, whereas with Porzingis on the books they were forced to act now.

It's all risky AF but I like the deal for both Dallas and NY.

[Duncan87]

Bamba would immediately be sent to the Gleague. Dude sucks still

[Andreas68]

Bamba would immediately be sent to the Gleague. Dude sucks still
You wrote what i think,Thanks! :toast

[MoSpur02]

"Windhorst: "when they iced Dennis Smith a few weeks ago... one of the teams they were talking to was Orlando about Mo Bamba... Mo Bamba is available on the market""
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?mt=2#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn .com%2Fespnradio%2Fpodcast%3Fid%3D25895122
20 min mark.

Wow. Teams give up way too fast on their prospects. Didn't he only play one year at UT? I think someone like Bamba would develop into a very good player under the Spurs player development. I wouldn't trade for him mid-season though. He wouldn't get significant playing time and wouldn't help our issues this season. I would look into trading for him this off season though if he truly is being made available by the Magic.

[vavvi]

I think folks are overrating Kristaps. He's a good player, but with his injury history and his apparent desire to play the free-agent market as quickly as possible, his value wasn't that high. Dallas paid a lot for him, and it's a huge gamble. New York made some mistakes, but they got out of them well. Even if they just plan on tanking for the next few years, this was a good trade. This could be a precursor to going after max free agents (like that McGrady deal in 2010 was), but it could also be like that Jrue Holiday trade Philly did. There really wasn't any more value the Knicks could have gotten out of the Mavs, and that's why the trade went down so fast. Eff the New York media.

I'm not buying "a lot" argument. They basically gave up 2021 1st and that's it.
I think close to 100% GMs would flip 2021 1st for KP.

[cd021]

I'm not buying "a lot" argument. They basically gave up 2021 1st and that's it.
I think close to 100% GMs would flip 2021 1st for KP.

They gave up two firsts and there isn't a gaurantee that he will re-sign there after next season.

They are already going to be giving up a lottery pick to the Hawks so of Porzingus leaves then will be in a much worse situation than they otherwise would've been in.

Knicks seem convinced that they can get KD and maybe Kyrie (after clearing out two Max slots) plus will have additional assets (they own all of their firsts plus the be two from Dallas) for a player that clearly didn't want to be there.

I don't think the Knicks necessarily made a bad deal.

[ceperez]

I agree, everyone is hating the trade for the Knicks but I really don't think it's that bad at all, especially if they were sure Porzingis would leave in a year. Huge gamble for Dallas calling his bluff on signing the QO with them too. It'd be very brave of him and frankly, very unwise to say the least. But if he really does then these 2021 and 2023 picks could be golden with or without Doncic. Dallas have never been able to attract anyone really good in FA.

Also is there a better package for Davis than NY's 2019 pick and Dallas's 2021 and 2023 + expirings? NY can now wait until the summer and to know exactly where their pick lands before making an offer for Davis, whereas with Porzingis on the books they were forced to act now.

It's all risky AF but I like the deal for both Dallas and NY.

Yeah, I think both teams got what they wanted. Dallas took a risk to sign a future all-star that'll play well with Doncic. NY got a lot of cap room cleared and got a good young player in Dennis Smith.

Both teams took risks, but you can't get ahead in this league without taking risks.

Spurs got ahead in 2011 by trading George Hill for a #15 pick.

[vavvi]

They gave up two firsts and there isn't a gaurantee that he will re-sign there after next season.

They are already going to be giving up a lottery pick to the Hawks so of Porzingus leaves then will be in a much worse situation than they otherwise would've been in.

Knicks seem convinced that they can get KD and maybe Kyrie (after clearing out two Max slots) plus will have additional assets (they own all of their firsts plus the be two from Dallas) for a player that clearly didn't want to be there.

I don't think the Knicks necessarily made a bad deal.

The 2023 1st is top10 protected, and if Mavs are bad it will eventually turn into a 2nd. So for me it's basically only one 1st and relief of cancerous DSJ.
I'm not saying it's a very bad trade for the Knicks (which it probably is just because everything the Knicks do is usually terrible) but in my opinion it's a no-brainer for Dallas even if KP is more hurt than we think

[vavvi]

Yeah, I think both teams got what they wanted. Dallas took a risk to sign a future all-star that'll play well with Doncic. NY got a lot of cap room cleared and got a good young player in Dennis Smith.

Both teams took risks, but you can't get ahead in this league without taking risks.

Spurs got ahead in 2011 by trading George Hill for a #15 pick.

How can you compare trading George Hill and trading the most talented player their franchise had in a decade?
Trading George Hill wasn't really that risky ))) it was just George Hill

[exstatic]

Some insight - since the current basic NBA salary structures have been in place (over 20yrs) not one player has turned down a max rookie extension and signed the QO instead. KP would be the first if he did it. Seems extremely unlikely to me esp given his injury history.

Michael Olowokandi signed his year 5 QO.

[BatManu20]

I think folks are overrating Kristaps. He's a good player, but with his injury history and his apparent desire to play the free-agent market as quickly as possible, his value wasn't that high. Dallas paid a lot for him, and it's a huge gamble. New York made some mistakes, but they got out of them well. Even if they just plan on tanking for the next few years, this was a good trade. This could be a precursor to going after max free agents (like that McGrady deal in 2010 was), but it could also be like that Jrue Holiday trade Philly did. There really wasn't any more value the Knicks could have gotten out of the Mavs, and that's why the trade went down so fast. Eff the New York media.


I basically posted this exact same thing a few pages back. Glad we didn’t trade our young assets for him tbh.

[BatManu20]

He gone.

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

^Ouch.

[HarlemHeat37]

Doesn't mean anything, Irving is the biggest attention seeker in the East, only LeBron might be worse in that regard, overall..he says something different every week..

The rest of the Celtics would be elated if he leaves, though:lol

[BatManu20]

Memphis had better be getting some solid draft picks in any hypothetical trade, otherwise.... why..

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[HarlemHeat37]

Memphis had better be getting some solid draft picks in any hypothetical trade, otherwise.... why..

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That would be a great trade for Memphis, tbh .

[gambit1990]

i hate kyrie. i hope he didn’t join lebron. i hope kyrie and durant sign and lose together somewhere.

[exstatic]

That would be a great trade for Memphis, tbh .

Right? It's almost worth salary dumping Conley at this point. He makes north of $30M, and plays 55-60 games per year. That they're getting Rubio is icing on the cake.

[look_at_g_shred]

He gone.

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It's the way of the NBA these days He sees his peers switching teams left and right and so he wants to be part of that.

[BatManu20]

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If Kyrie leaves Boston they likely refuse to trade for Davis, as he'd bolt in a year.

NY should go all in, trade DSJ for another pick, package them all and send them to NOLA for Davis now.

[tbdog]

Michael Olowokandi signed his year 5 QO.

Was never going to be offered the max.

[exstatic]

It's the way of the NBA these days He sees his peers switching teams left and right and so he wants to be part of that.

I think he sees the young Celtics getting fat heads and not caring after a decent playoff run last year.

[Drom John]

Current search:
For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; in 2018-19; not born in United States; sorted by descending Win Shares

Deleting Non-Euros

1) Rudy Gobert
2) Giannis Antetokounpo
3) Nikola Jokic
4) Clint Capela
5) Nikola Vucevic
6) Jusif Nurkic
7) Danilo Galinari
8) Bojan Bogdanovic
9T) Luka Doncic, Marc Gasol
11) Enes Kanter
12) Nemanja Bjelica
13) Juan Hernangomez
14) Davis Bertans
15) Reggie Jackson, born in Italy
16T) Nicolas Batum, Jakob Poeltl, Tomas Satoransky, Jonas Valanciunas
20) Nikola Mirotic
21) Jonas Jerebko
22) Daniel Thies
23) Marco Belinelli
24) Max Kleber
25) Willy Hernangomez
26T) Dario Saric, Ivica Zubac
28T) Zaza Pachulia, Dennis Schroeder
30T) Bogdan Bogdanovic, Ricky Rubio
32) Ersan Ilyasova
33T) Marcin Gortat, Alex Len, Boban Marjanovic
36T) Omri Casspi, Rodions Kurucs
38T) OG Anunoby, Evan Fournier, Pau Gasol, Furkan Korkmaz, Ian Mahinmi, Lauri Markkanen, Tony Parker, Ante Zizac

[cd98]

I think folks are overrating Kristaps. He's a good player, but with his injury history and his apparent desire to play the free-agent market as quickly as possible, his value wasn't that high. Dallas paid a lot for him, and it's a huge gamble. New York made some mistakes, but they got out of them well. Even if they just plan on tanking for the next few years, this was a good trade. This could be a precursor to going after max free agents (like that McGrady deal in 2010 was), but it could also be like that Jrue Holiday trade Philly did. There really wasn't any more value the Knicks could have gotten out of the Mavs, and that's why the trade went down so fast. Eff the New York media.

Yeah, what exactly did he do for NY the last few years but put up good numbers on a terrible team, and that was when he wasn't injured. I'm sure he can make the Mavs better, but how much better? Maybe 8th seed playoffs better. And they gave up two picks? Didn't they already give up this year's pick to Atlanta? So if those are two other draft picks, then that is a huge gamble that they can get what they need on the open market (i.e. Porz and Doncic attracting quality free agents) and afford to keep them without low salary, rookie deal players that they could have drafted. It may work out, but it may also ruin their team and give Doncic the incentive to find a new team after a few years of not making the playoffs.

[r0drig0lac]

He gone.

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Durant + Irving + Zion

[cd021]

The 2023 1st is top10 protected, and if Mavs are bad it will eventually turn into a 2nd. So for me it's basically only one 1st and relief of cancerous DSJ.
I'm not saying it's a very bad trade for the Knicks (which it probably is just because everything the Knicks do is usually terrible) but in my opinion it's a no-brainer for Dallas even if KP is more hurt than we think

Unless I misunderstood, I think you have the pick protection flipped. In 2023, the Mavs pick is 1-10 then they keep it. That means if they end up with the 11-30th pick then they lose it.

It's probably a safer bet that they lose it given Doncic will be into his second contract and they will be incentivized to build around him whether 'Taps is there or not.

I think it is a good gamble but if Smith Jr. becomes a starter caliber player or better, and 'Taps leaves then they will have significantly handcuffed themselves after having traded 4 of their 7 first rounders from 2017-2023 away.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Weird.

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[exstatic]

Weird.

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Sad. Your time is gone. Take your farewell tour and be happy with that.

I guess at least LA won't be the last pick this time.

[cjw]

Sad. Your time is gone. Take your farewell tour and be happy with that.

I guess at least LA won't be the last pick this time.

Nah, it’s fine for surefire first ballot HOFers. They’ll play a couple of minutes during the game. Better than taking up a roster spot from a deserving guy ala Kobe. Carter should be there too. Manu should have last year.

[Dverde]

Weird.

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Did Dirk announce his retirement? I assumed he was retiring, but he shouldn’t get this spot if there is uncertainty.

[BatManu20]

Sad. Your time is gone. Take your farewell tour and be happy with that.

I guess at least LA won't be the last pick this time.


Did Dirk announce his retirement? I assumed he was retiring, but he shouldn’t get this spot if there is uncertainty.


I get the sentiment, but agree this is is dumb. They’ve never done this before. Guys like Duncan, KG, etc didn’t get this treatment. And why not Vince Carter then?

It also sets a precedent moving forward. Are all future HOFers going to start getting this treatment now? Hope not.

[Dex]

Weird.

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What the fuck? The NBA is just adding random people in because they feel like it now?

And here I thought it was impossible to make All-Star Weekend even more of a joke.

[RD2191]

Weird.

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The NBA is becoming a circus, what a clown show.

[Dverde]

Rumors abound that Jazz are trying to get Conley for Ricky Rubio and cap room filler.

[Duncan87]

Man 100% think Spurs are gonna do nothing Really really need to get rid of Gasol even Jakob minutes are going down last night came in late in third and that was it

[vavvi]

Unless I misunderstood, I think you have the pick protection flipped. In 2023, the Mavs pick is 1-10 then they keep it. That means if they end up with the 11-30th pick then they lose it.

It's probably a safer bet that they lose it given Doncic will be into his second contract and they will be incentivized to build around him whether 'Taps is there or not.

I think it is a good gamble but if Smith Jr. becomes a starter caliber player or better, and 'Taps leaves then they will have significantly handcuffed themselves after having traded 4 of their 7 first rounders from 2017-2023 away.

Yes if it’s 11-30 they will lose it but it’s doubtful they can draft someone better than KP there.
I get your points but for me if you can get Doncic + KP core for 1.5 picks it’s a no-brainer. If the Spurs had Doncic + KP i would be superexcited.

[ceperez]

Rumors abound that Jazz are trying to get Conley for Ricky Rubio and cap room filler.

Possible... include Exum in the deal http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaoashkk

[Dverde]

Maybe Spurs bring Pau back next year for the retirement spot in next tear’s All-Star game.

[Dverde]

Weird.

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:lol Probably the only way Mike Conley gets to the All Star game

[R. DeMurre]

Dallas is such an odd organization, and makes me appreciate the steadiness of the Spurs even more. They've got almost unlimited money to play with, and frequently overspend to get what they want, but then in strange moments will cut loose someone like Tyson Chandler or Steve Nash to save a little. They overpaid Harrison Barnes when no one else looked ready to. They had a real superstar in Dirk and got two trip to the finals and one ring out of him. Not bad, but not exactly awe inspiring either.

San Antonio lost Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, and Leonard, all in a very brief period of time, and still made the playoffs, and will most likely do it again this year. And now they have potential trade assets to make more moves this summer, plus a young backcourt that could potentially be the best defensive duo in the league-- all from late first round draft picks, and now have two first round draft picks coming up.

I think this is a good trade for both Dallas and NY, if only because they're both so desperate that anything would be better than doing nothing.

[FkLA]

Weird.

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GTFO with that buddy buddy bullshit. I'm sure this was done mainly for Wade and Dirk was thrown in to avoid making it look like what it really is (Wade being BFFs with the most influential players in the league).

[cd98]

Weird.

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Well, I guess it's better than when they used to have the legends game, which inevitable ended with legends tearing achilles, etc.

[Spurs fever]

Did Dirk even announce his retirement?

[Duncan87]

Rumors are if Wes Matthews gets bought out he Houston or OKC bound Damn

[Duncan87]

OKC just trade a wing play to make room for possible buyout. In other news Carmelo getting waive

[TheGreatYacht]

lol this better not count as an all star appearance on that faggot Dirk's resume

Duncan never got none of this shit and was robbed of ever winning a DPOY

[BatManu20]

Did Dirk even announce his retirement?

Nope. That’s my point. Good chance this is Vince Carter’s last season too, why the fuck isn’t he getting the same treatment? Dumb.

[BatManu20]

lol this better not count as an all star appearance on that faggot Dirk's resume


Oh you know it will.

[BillMc]

Weird.

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Wade was in for Olidipo, right? Was there a Western player hurt too, that allowed Dirk in?

[Dverde]

Nope. That’s my point. Good chance this is Vince Carter’s last season too, why the fuck isn’t he getting the same treatment? Dumb.

Well if you had to pick two out of the three...

[BillMc]

The NBA is becoming a circus, what a clown show.

Total WWF stuff.

[TheGreatYacht]

Oh you know it will.
Disgusting. Someone updated his Wikipedia and it says 14x all star now.... Duncan worked for all 15 of his. Fuck this shit

[TheGreatYacht]

That cancerous piece of shit Kobe got 3 non deserving All star appearances as well when he was a TOSB

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't understand the outrage..

The type of person who cares about watching the ASG will want to see Wade in it, that's all that matters..and like Fkla said, the only reason Dirk is getting in is because they don't want LeBron's influence to look too obvious:lol

The ASG is for kids, it's unwatchable..

[Dverde]

I don't understand the outrage..

The type of person who cares about watching the ASG will want to see Wade in it, that's all that matters..and like Fkla said, the only reason Dirk is getting in is because they don't want LeBron's influence to look too obvious:lol

The ASG is for kids, it's unwatchable..

They should make it for players that retired the previous year like Manu. Another better option would be allowing each team to pick a 10 year vet of their choice as their mascot.

[timvp]

Did Dirk even announce his retirement?

He didn't. What's funny to me is everyone assumes it's his last year because he sucks so hard and looks so done. Kinda embarrassing, tbh.

Makes me thankful Duncan and Ginobili went out while they were still good players and their dignities were intact.

[John B]

Should have gone to Gobert. I just don't want to see a big man cry :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1091403289369833472/pu/img/XDYZtLCK7Oz8PyUd?format=jpg&name=small

[cjw]

Everyone laughing at the Knicks for trading KP to get salary cap relief, when the Lakers traded an All Star to dump Mozgov

[Spurs da champs]

Should have gone to Gobert. I just don't want to see a big man cry :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1091403289369833472/pu/img/XDYZtLCK7Oz8PyUd?format=jpg&name=small

Gaymond calling him out is so ironic. :lmao

[callo1]

All star game appearances should be an honor of respect to those deserving of the recognition, not some trivial garbage tossed out to has-beens as a token to placate the masses. The dignity of sport and competition is lost otherwise.

But hey, this is the society we live in today. Everybody expects, cries for, and usually gets a smiley face on any work they turn in. A ribbon or medal to appease those who lose. Winning has become diluted by mediocrity.

American injenuity, perseverance, and tough, hard-nosed ideology has given way to sniveling pansies who can not distinguish the difference between entitlement and accomplishment.

High school coaches are getting fired for having basketball players score too much against the other team due to an uproar from those who idolize Nykesha Sales and her record breaking shot...err..mulligan, or Michael Strahan's colluded, bogus sack record via help from Brett Favre.

We have become a nation of bleeding heart pansies. I could go on and on, but I have to go watch a riveting game of t-ball where nobody keeps score. But hey, it's all good, nobody ever loses.

Funny, we wonder why young people can't cope with losing. They are never forced to learn how to do so.

[marinoman]

Gaymond calling him out is so ironic. :lmao
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[DPG21920]

Fortune favors the bold. Regardless of the price Dallas paid imo it’s the proper swing to take if you care about your franchise trying to win. There are no guarantees obviously but this was a worthwhile gamble.

Spurs misreading the CP3 market so badly resulting in Paus deal is a worse gamble than this. The objective is to win and with a guaranteed stud in Luka on a rookie scale deal now is the exact time to take risks imo.

[gambit1990]

package demar, rudy, forbes, and la together... fine with keeping gasol until next year, his contract will have more value then.

[DPG21920]

package demar, rudy, forbes, and la together... fine with keeping gasol until next year, his contract will have more value then.

That is false. Gasols contract is at peak value now. It becomes way less valuable and difficult to move after this deadline.

I

[cjw]

Fortune favors the bold. Regardless of the price Dallas paid imo it’s the proper swing to take if you care about your franchise trying to win. There are no guarantees obviously but this was a worthwhile gamble.

Spurs misreading the CP3 market so badly resulting in Paus deal is a worse gamble than this. The objective is to win and with a guaranteed stud in Luka on a rookie scale deal now is the exact time to take risks imo.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I’m cool paying Pau $6mm AND getting Gay as opposed to paying CP3 $41mm a year on average for the next three. That’s $6-$7mm less than DDR and Aldridge combined.

Likely couldn’t get Gay with CP3 as they would have had to operate under the cap and a lower MLE, though Houston made it work with him opting in and completing before July 1.

That doesn’t excuse the Pau deal one bit, as it was a complete misread of the market and he’s not a guy who can be on the floor against GS. If you can’t play against the team to beat, you have no business making 8 figures.

[John B]

CP3 is done and Houston will still be paying for him. And he could’ve curtained White’s development. I’m glad we didn’t chase him. Rose could’ve help with the minimum though.

[Rusty]

Jrue Holiday for Demar Derozen. Who says no?

[pad300]

Hindsight is 20/20, but I’m cool paying Pau $6mm AND getting Gay as opposed to paying CP3 $41mm a year on average for the next three. That’s $6-$7mm less than DDR and Aldridge combined.

Likely couldn’t get Gay with CP3 as they would have had to operate under the cap and a lower MLE, though Houston made it work with him opting in and completing before July 1.

That doesn’t excuse the Pau deal one bit, as it was a complete misread of the market and he’s not a guy who can be on the floor against GS. If you can’t play against the team to beat, you have no business making 8 figures.

You are absolutely correct, we wouldn't have Gay if we had gotten Paul. In hindsight, it's pretty clear that the Spurs made a wink-wink nudge-nudge deal with Pau that summer - if he opted out, he would get a contract worth at least the full MLE value ~$39M over 4 years. As we didn't get Paul, he got $16, $16.8, $16 ($6.3 guaranteed), which assuming we waive him this coming summer is $39.1M... To give him that money if we got Paul, we would have had to us the full MLE on him.

[pad300]

Jrue Holiday for Demar Derozen. Who says no?

Both Pelicans and Spurs.

Demar doesn't do anything for the Pels (assuming Davis and Holiday are gone) & Holiday is local, liked, and cheaper... As it stands, they are tanking again.

There is no fit with SAS, as this makes their roster overload at the 1 - 2 even worse, while making 3 a bigger hole... SAS isn't in Lux tax trouble if they keep Demar, so there is very little point to such a trade.

[DPG21920]

I agree about CP3 - was talking more of the gamble aspect. Was saying for people going wild over how big of a gamble the deal for Dallas was I think, even if it goes bad, it was a great gamble to take. But like with CP3 there are major risks that can’t be avoided.

[jermaine]

Spurs are not trading DDR... They wanna make him the closer.

[John B]

Spurs are not trading DDR... They wanna make him the closer.
more like closed opportunity on a ring :lol:lol:lol hey I liked him playing with chip on his shoulder, but lately he’s like heartbroken teenager, man what gives?