NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[GusT15]

:pop: Rozier hasn’t gotten over himself

Rozier is overrated cause of one good series against the Bucks last year and cause he was okay running the offense while Kyrie was out injured.

He is definitely gonna get overpaid by some moronic GM.

A team that has DJ Murray and Derrick White developing at the point should want nothing to do with Terry Rozier.

[TimDunkem]

In what universe does a Rozier trade make sense? The Spurs already have too many guards as it is.

[r0drig0lac]

the worst is not the proposed scenario, but the simple fact that someone is taking it seriously, so the spurs with their 100 guards will trade their only wing (which is probably the best shooter in the world except Curry) by a dwarf in looking for a big contract next season? Okay

[Leetonidas]

That is a retarded trade and fake as fuck. Doubt that guy has any legit sources

[ceperez]

In what universe does a Rozier trade make sense? The Spurs already have too many guards as it is.

Celtics aren't going to be able to keep Rozier.

I don't know much about yabuseli but he's like a Boris Diaw that can hit the 3.

I like Bertans but he's an expiring contract next year.

[Chinook]

Your not giving PATFO enough credit on developing Bryn. You are in the small minority who thinks Bryn is a better prospect. If Forbes was drafted by any other team we would look at him as a G leaguer. Prince drafted by the Spurs he would look that much better. He has already averaged more than 14 ppg last 2 seasons and about 38% from 3.

Why do you think Bud's bad at developing players? Prince played for him, not Memphis.

[DPG21920]

I trust SA having 2 firsts wayyyy more than I trust SJ or TP. They have not been good with several years of data. It’s not hard to find players with at least their caliber with first round picks.

[SpursDynasty85]

Why do you think Bud's bad at developing players? Prince played for him, not Memphis.

Bud is no longer there and the program was going down the drain, hence him stepping down. Spurs are pillars of consistency compared to what Atlanta has going. Not to mention Taurean Prince is just a better fit. Even if you dont think he is as good as Forbes it's hard to deny he would be a better fit for our roster.

[Chinook]

that's not about age or years in the league, it's just about the profile for me and imo prince has a better potential. i can agree with you on some things but you can't say prince is not a good defender.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/taurean-prince Look at his draftprofile. His weaknesses are all about offense.

His draft profile doesn't matter anymore. He's been an NBA player for more than two seasons, and he hasn't been a good defender since he became a solid rotation player.

[r0drig0lac]

Celtics aren't going to be able to keep Rozier.

I don't know much about yabuseli but he's like a Boris Diaw that can hit the 3.

I like Bertans but he's an expiring contract next year.

without your basketball qi

[GusT15]

Celtics aren't going to be able to keep Rozier.

I don't know much about yabuseli but he's like a Boris Diaw that can hit the 3.

I like Bertans but he's an expiring contract next year.


We wouldn't be able to keep Rozier as well nor should we.

Yabusele cannot hit the 3,you're mistaking him for Ojeleye.

Also he looks like he ate Boris Diaw and is currently digesting him.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/guerschon-yabusele-of-the-boston-celtics-handles-the-ball-against-the-picture-id1087740960

[Chinook]

You're right,i am subjectively taking it easy on Prince and not listing that he is half assing it on defense,only grabbing 4 boards per game,moving slower than his physical attributes command.I am not denying he hasn't developed as he should.But there is a reason i am doing that and it's cause he is currently playing on the worst team in the league.Tanking does that to a player (especially a player in his third year in the league).Defense in my personal opinion is 50% physical capabilities and 50% mental determination.If you're okay as a team with losing,the first thing that will be affected is your defense (cause you still want to get those juicy numbers on offence).

Anyways,i am not saying he could be the second coming of 2013 Leonard,and i am not saying he is a sure thing.I'm saying he is a player that would show and provide much more than he is providing in his current team and a player this Spurs team is lacking and in need of.If he's worth a 1st round pick in the late 20's is debatable.If he would push Bryn out of the starting line up is something that nobody can predict as well.

But i am in no way against Forbes as a player,mind you.The kid worked his butt off,he bulked up,he earned his minutes.He went from being an undrafted college prospect to a legitimate 3point threat in the NBA and a player who is always gonna keep trying in defense.
It's just that,the way this team is constructed,the lack of a 3D wing is constantly hurting us.I dunno how long can Derrick White guard the other team's SF AND orchestrate the offence AND score his 15ppg and,and,and.. The lack of said wing from the roster is putting so much responsibility in White's hands and it's starting to show late in games.

Nonetheless,this whole conversation started cause the Hawks want to move Taurean Prince,not cause the Spurs came knocking on their door.They want to develop Huerter,they don't want Prince cause the front office that drafted him is not there? Fine.Cause that to me means the team taking him on is not overpaying.Thus,we're conversing about his value and what he can provide.

You're being perfectly reasonable here. As I said, if PATFO thinks he's worth it, I wouldn't be mad. It would suggest they have a plan to develop his weaknesses and put him in positions of strength. That's good enough for me. My biggest issue in this thread isn't about subjective things like if Prince would help the team. It's over objective things like whether a first-round pick is a low offer. I think in today's NBA, a late-first is more valuable than it's ever been. Potential or no, system or no, Prince isn't in the bracket of players that would require greater assets. I also don't think the Spurs are as desperate as a lot of people suggest they are, so I'm not keen to believe they will be pressured into paying more.

In the right deal, Prince, Johnson, whomever -- they'd be fine. But the Spurs may well use 29 for another difference-maker in June. It's weird that a lot of the same people who want to throw a first at quick fixes are reluctant to put Metu in trades, when Chim is a prospect picked in the mid-second and who hasn't shown anything at the NBA level.

[duncan2150]

His draft profile doesn't matter anymore. He's been an NBA player for more than two seasons, and he hasn't been a good defender since he became a solid rotation player.

I think you’re a smart guy but you can’t say his draft profile means nothing. One of his stenght is defense, i saw some of his games last year ( because he was in m’y Fantasy team) and i can tell you he is a good defender, i’m not saying elite but good.

[Chinook]

Bud is no longer there and the program was going down the drain, hence him stepping down. Spurs are pillars of consistency compared to what Atlanta has going. Not to mention Taurean Prince is just a better fit. Even if you dont think he is as good as Forbes it's hard to deny he would be a better fit for our roster.

He's not that good of a fit. The Spurs don't have a guard just chilling on the bench right now except for Walker. They do routinely have forwards as DNP-CDs and haven't even called up the SF they have as a two-way. Clearly, if the Spurs thought they just needed a small-forward no matter what, they'd've at least tried to used the ones they have. I also think folks are having a hard time realizing that DeRozan is as much a small-forward as anyone nowadays. The 6-9 dudes who posted up are mostly the four now. DeMar's lack of quickness on defense makes it hard for him to guard the shorter shiftier two-guards in the league today. He's a much better match for bigger players. Having an elite defensive forward who can check 1-4 would obviously be a plus regardless. But bringing in a guy who can only guard forwards doesn't really make the team better. That's even more the case next year when the team could be adding two small wings to the rotation. DeRozan at SF might be here for a long time.

Do I mind bringing in a more mobile/useful version of Cun to upgrade the depth? Not at all. But that's not a huge priority and doesn't warrant using assets on it.

[GusT15]

On second thought,bring Yabusele over just for the laughs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J9OpkPIk4

[Chinook]

I think you’re a smart guy but you can’t say his draft profile means nothing.

I think you can say his draft profile doesn't matter anymore. What people thought he'd be good at and what he ended up being good at are different things. Players develop differently. Athletic advantages go away. Skill deficits increase. You have a guy like Huestis where a firm number of STers still think he's some good defender when he hasn't done much on that end at all in the NBA. Meanwhile, Kyle Anderson is an elite defender out of nowhere. Kyle's scouting report doesn't suggest he'd be a sketchy outside shooter, because he shot 48 percent from three his final year at UCLA.


i saw some of his games last year ( because he was in m’y Fantasy team) and i can tell you he is a good defender, i’m not saying elite but good.

Obviously, I can't tell you what you eyes saw. But Prince ranked 69th out of 75 SFs in dRPM last year, and his defensive on-off last year was plus-4.3 (positive numbers being bad). This isn't the only year where he's graded poorly.

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdEfXaqf1_Y

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol at any retard wanting to trade with that faggot Ainge. He wouldn't even give up Brown for Kawhi. Let him regret that decision for the rest of his GM life.

[TheGreatYacht]

I can't wait to watch Boston the minute Kyrie predictably walks in free agency. A team full of first round busts and TOSB's Horford and Hayward rofl. It'll be comedy. Only an idiot like Ainge could've failed with all of that draft capital he had.

2012 21st pick - Jared Sullinger
2012 22nd pick - Fab Melo
2013 16th pick - Lucas Noguiera
2014 6th pick - Marcus Smart
2014 17th pick - James Young
2015 16th pick - Terry Rozier
2015 28th pick - RJ Hunter
2016 3rd pick - Jaylen Brown
2016 16th pick - Guerschon Yabusele
2016 23rd pick - Ante Zizic
2017 3rd pick - Jayson Tatum
2018 27th pick - Robert Williams

[TheGreatYacht]

Also :lol ceperez and his obsession with scrubs. In before he posts a Jeff Pendergraph highlight dunk montage

[Killakobe81]

Rozier is overrated cause of one good series against the Bucks last year and cause he was okay running the offense while Kyrie was out injured.

He is definitely gonna get overpaid by some moronic GM.

A team that has DJ Murray and Derrick White developing at the point should want nothing to do with Terry Rozier.

This.
Id rather have White
dont think white is a PG but if murray develops a three ball that is a nice backcourt (if murray can stay healthy)

[Killakobe81]

Spurs need a superstar wing to replace the one they lost ...
DDR is a borderline all-star wing ....
Which is why SPurs are "borderline" contenders.

IF spurs stayed 100% healthy despite their flaws they sniffing third seed ...

[RD2191]

Lol at any retard wanting to trade with that faggot Ainge. He wouldn't even give up Brown for Kawhi. Let him regret that decision for the rest of his GM life.

Can't wait til Kawhi and DG cuck them hard in the playoffs.

[Dverde]

Spurs need a superstar wing to replace the one they lost ...
DDR is a borderline all-star wing ....
Which is why SPurs are "borderline" contenders.

IF spurs stayed 100% healthy despite their flaws they sniffing third seed ...

DDR is an All-Star in the East. Tough crowd being the West.

[GusT15]

I can't wait to watch Boston the minute Kyrie predictably walks in free agency. A team full of first round busts and TOSB's Horford and Hayward rofl. It'll be comedy. Only an idiot like Ainge could've failed with all of that draft capital he had.

2012 21st pick - Jared Sullinger
2012 22nd pick - Fab Melo
2013 16th pick - Lucas Noguiera
2014 6th pick - Marcus Smart
2014 17th pick - James Young
2015 16th pick - Terry Rozier
2015 28th pick - RJ Hunter
2016 3rd pick - Jaylen Brown
2016 16th pick - Guerschon Yabusele
2016 23rd pick - Ante Zizic
2017 3rd pick - Jayson Tatum
2018 27th pick - Robert Williams

Holy fuck i never realized Sullinger and Fab Melo were in the same Celtics draft class.

Sullinger is in China and Fab Melo is dead,God rest his soul.Cursed draft.

[ceperez]

Interesting proposals...

Forbes for Stanley Johnson
Bertans for Rozier, Yabusele

This gives the Spurs a potential lineup of:

Rozier/White/DeRoza/Gay/Aldridge
Mills/Belinelli/Johnson/Yabusele/Poetl

Note: Rozier, Gay are RF next season.

This makes sense for Celtics and Pistons. Both Rozier and Johnson are on their last year.

Rozier numbers have fallen of a cliff. Johnson looks like he can't shoot.

[Chinook]

Interesting proposals...

Bertans for Rozier, Yabusele

Not even a little interesting

[sasaint]

Interesting proposals...

Forbes for Stanley Johnson
Bertans for Rozier, Yabusele

This gives the Spurs a potential lineup of:

Rozier/White/DeRoza/Gay/Aldridge
Mills/Belinelli/Johnson/Yabusele/Poetl

Note: Rozier, Gay are RF next season.

This makes sense for Celtics and Pistons. Both Rozier and Johnson are on their last year.

Rozier numbers have fallen of a cliff. Johnson looks like he can't shoot.

Blue font - right?

[Pavlov]

Interesting proposals...

Forbes for Stanley Johnson
Bertans for Rozier, Yabusele

This gives the Spurs a potential lineup of:

Rozier/White/DeRoza/Gay/Aldridge
Mills/Belinelli/Johnson/Yabusele/Poetl

Note: Rozier, Gay are RF next season.

This makes sense for Celtics and Pistons. Both Rozier and Johnson are on their last year.

Rozier numbers have fallen of a cliff. Johnson looks like he can't shoot.These trades are awful trades.

[ceperez]

These trades are awful trades.

I don't think anyone is going to trade much for Stanley Johnson, the best they can get is a 1st round pick.

The Celtics however are in win now mode, they've got consistency problems hitting the 3 so Bertans fills that void.

They can't use Rozier and he's having chemistry problems with Kyrie. So he's pretty much gone, they can't afford him next year.

Yabusele is shooting a pathetic .235 from 3 point range, they've got him signed for 4 years! So this is another guy they want to unload.

So yeah, a couple of young players not performing up to expectation. Perfect for a trade!

I would also trade Pau for Enes Kanter. That shortens the Spurs bill by one year.

[mo7888]

I don't think anyone is going to trade much for Stanley Johnson, the best they can get is a 1st round pick.

The Celtics however are in win now mode, they've got consistency problems hitting the 3 so Bertans fills that void.

They can't use Rozier and he's having chemistry problems with Kyrie. So he's pretty much gone, they can't afford him next year.

Yabusele is shooting a pathetic .235 from 3 point range, they've got him signed for 4 years! So this is another guy they want to unload.

So yeah, a couple of young players not performing up to expectation. Perfect for a trade!

I would also trade Pau for Enes Kanter. That shortens the Spurs bill by one year.

NY isn't adding any salary next year in a Kanter trade. Anyone who gives a 1st for Stanley Johnson without something else coming back or shedding some bad salary should be fired for malpractice.

[cd021]

Interesting proposals...

Forbes for Stanley Johnson
Bertans for Rozier, Yabusele

This gives the Spurs a potential lineup of:

Rozier/White/DeRoza/Gay/Aldridge
Mills/Belinelli/Johnson/Yabusele/Poetl

Note: Rozier, Gay are RF next season.

This makes sense for Celtics and Pistons. Both Rozier and Johnson are on their last year.

Rozier numbers have fallen of a cliff. Johnson looks like he can't shoot.
Either you hate Bertans or overrate Rosier tbh.

Don't love Forbes for Johnson either. Shipping an effective offensive rotation player for a player who is a poor offensive player and a pretty good defender.

[cd021]

NY isn't adding any salary next year in a Kanter trade. Anyone who gives a 1st for Stanley Johnson without something else coming back or shedding some bad salary should be fired for malpractice.
Agreed. Johnson doesn't seem to be in Detroit's plans and he'll be a restricted free agent on a team with serious cap issues. A team could probably have him with a modest offer in July. Right now, his potential is the draw because it's certainly not his production.

[ceperez]

Either you hate Bertans or overrate Rosier tbh.

Don't love Forbes for Johnson either. Shipping an effective offensive rotation player for a player who is a poor offensive player and a pretty good defender.

ST keeps complaining that Forbes can't guard anyone. If he gets flipped for Stanley Johnson, ST will keep complaining that he can't shoot!

What's worse? Playing 4 on 5 defense or playing 4 on 5 offense?

[SpurPadre]

ST keeps complaining that Forbes can't guard anyone. If he gets flipped for Stanley Johnson, ST will keep complaining that he can't shoot!

What's worse? Playing 4 on 5 defense or playing 4 on 5 offense?

4 on 5 offense is better with our personnel anyways, tbh. More touches for LMA and it frees up better possessions without a chucker shooting just to shoot.

[Spurs da champs]

4 on 5 offense is better with our personnel anyways, tbh. More touches for LMA.

If one of the 'stars' could shoot it would be okay, it's how OKC almost (should've) beat GS with Andre Roberson playing major minutes. I will never understand trading for DDR and not pursuing a trade for Bradley Beal. PATFO were too reactionary instead of proactive this past off season tho, smh.

[Spurs da champs]

Johnson is so young, that I have little doubt the Spurs could turn him into a respectable 3 point shooter.

[KDKSpurs24]

If one of the 'stars' could shoot it would be okay, it's how OKC almost (should've) beat GS with Andre Roberson playing major minutes. I will never understand trading for DDR and not pursuing a trade for Bradley Beal. PATFO were too reactionary instead of proactive this past off season tho, smh.
How do you know that they didn’t want Beal? A lot of teams more than likely backed off because they didn’t want to or couldn’t afford the risk of Kawhi only wanting to go to LA. Don’t forget that.

[ceperez]

How do you know that they didn’t want Beal? A lot of teams more than likely backed off because they didn’t want to or couldn’t afford the risk of Kawhi only wanting to go to LA. Don’t forget that.

True. Raptors did the trade because they wanted to unload DeRozan's contract. Their worse case scenario is that if Kawhi leaves then they've got a ton of cap room.

[Spurs da champs]

How do you know that they didn’t want Beal? A lot of teams more than likely backed off because they didn’t want to or couldn’t afford the risk of Kawhi only wanting to go to LA. Don’t forget that.
Washington was interested, I just dont think PATFO are good deal makers or go getters tbh. Imagine Kawhi & Danny for Beal & Oubre. That would've been so much better then DDR & Jak:lolb. What's done is done, still think this trade sucks tho.

[exstatic]

If one of the 'stars' could shoot it would be okay, it's how OKC almost (should've) beat GS with Andre Roberson playing major minutes. I will never understand trading for DDR and not pursuing a trade for Bradley Beal. PATFO were too reactionary instead of proactive this past off season tho, smh.

Bradley Beal wasn't on the market last summer! The Wiz thought they'd be a top 4 seed in the EC, not a roster of overpaid players looking at the lottery.

[ceperez]

4 on 5 offense is better with our personnel anyways, tbh. More touches for LMA and it frees up better possessions without a chucker shooting just to shoot.

If that's the case then a straight up trade Forbes - Stanley Johnson would be something that can happen. Pistons are going no where with Stanley Johnson. Spurs get a #8 pick for an undrafted player.

I would rather send a pick over instead of sending Forbes over.

This is because we still have Walker IV and Metu in the development pipeline. Spurs cannot absorb 3 more rookies next year.

BTW, Spurs still have Mulitinov that they can trade with someone.

[Spurs da champs]

Bradley Beal wasn't on the market last summer! The Wiz thought they'd be a top 4 seed in the EC, not a roster of overpaid players looking at the lottery.

Yeah, and nobody thought DDR was till he got dealt.

[cd021]

ST keeps complaining that Forbes can't guard anyone. If he gets flipped for Stanley Johnson, ST will keep complaining that he can't shoot!

What's worse? Playing 4 on 5 defense or playing 4 on 5 offense?

Considering how I feel that offense is more important in today's NBA, then I think that I would still want Forbes tbh.

[cd021]

If that's the case then a straight up trade Forbes - Stanley Johnson would be something that can happen. Pistons are going no where with Stanley Johnson. Spurs get a #8 pick for an undrafted player.

I would rather send a pick over instead of sending Forbes over.

This is because we still have Walker IV and Metu in the development pipeline. Spurs cannot absorb 3 more rookies next year.

BTW, Spurs still have Mulitinov that they can trade with someone.

Johnson has underwhelmed so it really doesn't matter where he was selected 4 seasons in to his career. Spurs may still have interest and Detroit would be good to get something for him but a first seems to high and Forbes is an better player tbh.

Don't think Milutinov has much if any value. He might be a throw in considering he may not be a Spurs in the near future and it's already been four seasons since he was drafted.

[ace3g]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1088937747535093760

[slick'81]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1088937747535093760


More time away from poodle power

[ace3g]

Opposing teams have been calling the Memphis Grizzlies about power forward JaMychal Green and guard Garrett Temple, according to a report from Sean Deveney of Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-grizzlies-must-look-beyond-mike-conley-marc-gasol-ahead-of-deadline/ozme31r2gp7t1dkvs6urld2jp).
The Portland Trail Blazers and Charlotte Hornets are among those who have inquired about one or both of the aforementioned Grizzlies, Deveney reported (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-grizzlies-must-look-beyond-mike-conley-marc-gasol-ahead-of-deadline/ozme31r2gp7t1dkvs6urld2jp).
“[The Grizzlies] want picks. They want to rebuild,” Deveney quoted a front-office executive as saying (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-grizzlies-must-look-beyond-mike-conley-marc-gasol-ahead-of-deadline/ozme31r2gp7t1dkvs6urld2jp). “They’ve given away a lot in the draft, and they need to find ways to get that back. A guy like Green can have a role on any team as a rebounder, and he’s been better offensively. A guy like Temple can come in and help anyone.”

[timtonymanu]

Please trade Pau. If Aldridge goes down, we're fucked anyway. And we have enough overpaid culture guys on the team already. PATFO has to move on from this finished scrub.

[Spurs fever]

Pau hasn't gotten over himself yet lol

[r0drig0lac]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1088937747535093760

i hate this guy

[John B]

Please trade Pau. If Aldridge goes down, we're fucked anyway. And we have enough overpaid culture guys on the team already. PATFO has to move on from this finished scrub.
Tbh we are one-player-injury from missing the playoffs. That’s to say the least with Gay always seemingly out, and lately DDR. And Pau is history. We need that next consistent scorer to replace Pau, besides the 3 and D Spurs crucially need

[Realdeal1]

According to clan the Spurs fan

spurs offered Bertans , 2019 and 2020 2nd round picks and some cash for terry rozier and yabusele

[Degoat]

According to clan the Spurs fan

spurs offered Bertans , 2019 and 2020 2nd round picks and some cash for terry rozier and yabusele

yeah that’s kinda been discussed already, I like rozier but that doesn’t really make any sense for the spurs

[Dverde]

According to clan the Spurs fan

spurs offered Bertans , 2019 and 2020 2nd round picks and some cash for terry rozier and yabusele

https://i.imgflip.com/1efm33.jpg

[playbonner15]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1088937747535093760

LMAO stop it Pau

[YGWHI]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1088937747535093760

There were some players that seemed done but Houston took the risk and gave them cheap contracts...Eric Gordon, now Faried.

I wonder why the Spurs couldn't sign anything better than 48M-39 years old Pau.

[RD2191]

There were some players that seemed done but Houston took the risk and gave them cheap contracts...Eric Gordon, now Faried.

I wonder why the Spurs couldn't sign anything better than 48M-39 years old Pau.

Because they're stuck in their antiquated ways tbh

[DPG21920]

There were some players that seemed done but Houston took the risk and gave them cheap contracts...Eric Gordon, now Faried.

I wonder why the Spurs couldn't sign anything better than 48M-39 years old Pau.

Remember when SA knocked HOU out of the playoffs recently though and HOU had Harden and Eric Gordon? Also, Eric Gordon 14M a year; not exactly cheap.

[DAF86]

Interesting proposals...

Forbes for Stanley Johnson
Bertans for Rozier, Yabusele

This gives the Spurs a potential lineup of:

Rozier/White/DeRoza/Gay/Aldridge
Mills/Belinelli/Johnson/Yabusele/Poetl

Note: Rozier, Gay are RF next season.

This makes sense for Celtics and Pistons. Both Rozier and Johnson are on their last year.

Rozier numbers have fallen of a cliff. Johnson looks like he can't shoot.

Dude, just don't. :lol

[YGWHI]

Remember when SA knocked HOU out of the playoffs recently though and HOU had Harden and Eric Gordon? Also, Eric Gordon 14M a year; not exactly cheap.
-I'd say Gordon contract is very cheap in today NBA.

-I remember that series and still enjoy re-watching the last minutes of game 6.

But I like their way of taking risks instead of playing safe

[YGWHI]

Because they're stuck in their antiquated ways tbh
Yep. I just want PATFO to be a bit more aggresive and creative at the tradeline.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

-I'd say Gordon contract is very cheap in today NBA.

-I remember that series and still enjoy re-watching the last minutes of game 6.

But I like their way of taking risks instead of playing safe

Easier to take risks when it's OK to go into luxury tax every season.

[ceperez]

There were some players that seemed done but Houston took the risk and gave them cheap contracts...Eric Gordon, now Faried.

I wonder why the Spurs couldn't sign anything better than 48M-39 years old Pau.

It'll always be a mystery as why PATFO doubled down on an aging Pau. He was already done when coming from the Bulls.

The only plausible reason is the need to have veteran players in the roster. I don't know who Pau is teaching though, Aldridge is already a veteran (but one with limited basketball IQ).

Patty Mills I can see other player like Forbes learning how he moves without the ball. Belinelli is also one of those valuable guys because of his off ball movement.

Spurs unique brand of basketball relies on being smarter and mentally more disciplined that the opponent. Yes, the big 3 ( LMA, DDR, Gay) aren't high basketball IQ players. In fairness though, I think Gay has learned to play very efficiently. DDR might also become a better player next year. I cannot say the same with LMA, but I think he's better motivated this year due to DDR encouragement.

Pau right now is a fish out of water. He doesn't have the quickness that Poetl provides in the 2nd unit.

At best, he substitutes for Gay to play with Aldridge and the first team. The only time Pau is useful is against bigger centers. This is Poetl's weakness (due to low standing reach).

[Chillen]

I always looked at the Pau signing as a way to sort of fill the void left by Duncan's depature (Duncan is one of the GOAT players so hard shoes to fill). That was fine when Parker, Manu were still on this team but now Pau is just on this team for veteran leadership more or less.

[ceperez]

I always looked at the Pau signing as a way to sort of fill the void left by Duncan's depature (Duncan is one of the GOAT players so hard shoes to fill). That was fine when Parker, Manu were still on this team but now Pau is just on this team for veteran leadership more or less.

What's unexplained is the $16m price tag.

[ceperez]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252365/Lakers-Willing-To-Part-With-Brandon-Ingram-Kyle-Kuzma-Or-Lonzo-Ball-For-Superstar

DeRozan for Ingram / Kuzma?

[sasaint]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252365/Lakers-Willing-To-Part-With-Brandon-Ingram-Kyle-Kuzma-Or-Lonzo-Ball-For-Superstar

DeRozan for Ingram / Kuzma?

In a California second. Can't believe the Lakers would do that deal.

[RD2191]

In a California second. Can't believe the Lakers would do that deal.

I believe they would do 1, not both. LA is sort of in the same spot as SA. Go all in for a ring while you have Lebron or wait til your young players develop but lose out on being title contenders for now? Although I don't think DeRozan makes then much of a title contender anyway.

[Twisted_Dawg]

In a California second. Can't believe the Lakers would do that deal.

They wouldn't.

[cjw]

I believe they would do 1, not both. LA is sort of in the same spot as SA. Go all in for a ring while you have Lebron or wait til your young players develop but lose out on being title contenders for now? Although I don't think DeRozan makes then much of a title contender anyway.

Spurs would have to take on some of Stephenson, Beasley, Rondo, KCP to make salaries match, though they’re all expiring. Both Ingram and Kuzma is probably something Lakers don’t do (they don’t need to blow it up this year for a title run, and want to maintain flexibility) but just one of Ingram or Kuzma isn’t enough for the Spurs.

I absolutely hate Ingram’s attitude out there. Kuzma I could get behind.

[SpursDynasty85]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252365/Lakers-Willing-To-Part-With-Brandon-Ingram-Kyle-Kuzma-Or-Lonzo-Ball-For-Superstar

DeRozan for Ingram / Kuzma?

Lebron wants 3 point shooters. He thought he could come in with McGee, Stephenson, and Rondo around that young core.

[Spurs da champs]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252365/Lakers-Willing-To-Part-With-Brandon-Ingram-Kyle-Kuzma-Or-Lonzo-Ball-For-Superstar

DeRozan for Ingram / Kuzma?
LeBron would never do that, he knows first hand how bad DDR is in the playoffs. :lol

[cd021]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252365/Lakers-Willing-To-Part-With-Brandon-Ingram-Kyle-Kuzma-Or-Lonzo-Ball-For-Superstar

DeRozan for Ingram / Kuzma?

Do people think Ingram is actually good? Kuzma for DDR is a no for me dog.

The Ingram, Lonzo and Kuzma trio is increasingly looking pretty mediocre as a package.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

lol there's no way the Lakers are adding salary beyond this season, unless it's for A.Davis.

[sasaint]

I believe they would do 1, not both. LA is sort of in the same spot as SA. Go all in for a ring while you have Lebron or wait til your young players develop but lose out on being title contenders for now? Although I don't think DeRozan makes then much of a title contender anyway.

Both = we robbed them. One = they robbed us. Plus, I haven't looked at salaries, but I doubt Kuz + Ingram = DeMar.

[skookumchuck]

Do people think Ingram is actually good? Kuzma for DDR is a no for me dog.

The Ingram, Lonzo and Kuzma trio is increasingly looking pretty mediocre as a package.

imho, all those players have added hype about them, ergo they seem worse than they've been hyped up. But, yeah, they suck.

[Spurs da champs]

Do people think Ingram is actually good? Kuzma for DDR is a no for me dog.

The Ingram, Lonzo and Kuzma trio is increasingly looking pretty mediocre as a package.

Ingram has been disappointing but you gotta wonder if leaving the Lakers would better him the way it did D Lo?

[sasaint]

Ingram has been disappointing but you gotta wonder if leaving the Lakers would better him the way it did D Lo?

i agree that Ingram could benefit from a change of scenery. I would prefer to bring a third team into the deal to take him. I want Kuzma, but Ingram doesn't fit my personal vision of the Spurs.

[Dex]

I predict this thread will reach 30+ pages...and the Spurs will make exactly 0 moves.

[Spurs da champs]

I predict this thread will reach 30+ pages...and the Spurs will make exactly 0 moves.
I will be hyped AF if they can get Stanley Johnson. Not even stubborn ass PATFO wont do anything with the lack of wings on the team. If they though they had something in Austin with Ben Moore you'd figure they would have called him up already given DeRozan, & Gay injuries as well as Bertans missing for personal reasons all the time.

[exstatic]

They wouldn't.

I wouldn’t, either. Their young players are only complementary. The team goes into,a tailspin any time Bron misses games.

[Dex]

I will be hyped AF if they can get Stanley Johnson. Not even stubborn ass PATFO wont do anything with the lack of wings on the team. If they though they had something in Austin with Ben Moore you'd figure they would have called him up already given DeRozan, & Gay injuries as well as Bertans missing for personal reasons all the time.

I hope you are right...but I just don't see the assets.

Obviously, the Spurs don't need to move any valuable pieces (like Beli or Bertans who are actually playing really well for us right now).

Forbes may be on the table and his stock is high...but I still think the team will retain him because of "culture" and what not. He is an up-and-comer in the Spurs system,

Mills isn't going anywhere as one of the team leaders...and he is actually also producing really well right now as well.

Really, the only pieces that are worth moving are Pau (which Pop will still hesitate to do out of respect for Pau's legacy), Pondexter, and Cunningham. That doesn't buy much in todays market. The latter two are fairly useless, and Pau's only real value is that he is kind of an expiring with his non-partial guarantee next year.

I'm not saying I agree with this approach. I think if you can make the right moves to improve the team, you focus on the business side of things and give up the sentiment. But the Spurs are the Spurs, so I can't say I expect for them to do that.

[Dverde]

There is no way Spurs are trading DDR. The chances of Becky Hammon showing up pregnant are higher :lol

[DPG21920]

-I'd say Gordon contract is very cheap in today NBA.

-I remember that series and still enjoy re-watching the last minutes of game 6.

But I like their way of taking risks instead of playing safe

Spurs took risks too hence the Pau deal. Funny you bring up Pau as a negative and CP for HOU as a positive with completely ignoring context.

HOU took risks and now are in salary cap hell, have no promising youth and not as much draft capital or flexibility as SA despite winning really no more than SA has in recent years. Houston has been good, but really not done much more than SA and their future is way more bleak.

[Coach X]

ST keeps complaining that Forbes can't guard anyone. If he gets flipped for Stanley Johnson, ST will keep complaining that he can't shoot!

What's worse? Playing 4 on 5 defense or playing 4 on 5 offense?
You can't win without 5 men playing defense, but you can play with a four men offense. Harden is making us think you can even win with a one-man offense.

In this Spurs team, with DeRozan being the main perimeter player and Gay being a closer, the team needs more defensive players around them. White and Aldridge play correctly both ends of the court, but Rudy and Demarr are offensive players. The fifth member of the unit should be a good defensive player, ideally a good rebounder that also doesn't hurt the offense too much. Forbes clearly isn't this player. Despite his D is better, still isn't good enough vs starting PG/SG in this league.

Should the Spurs could develop a corner 3pt shot in Stan Johson, he'd become a great fit for this team.

[TimDunkem]

Literally every negative aspect of resigning Pau that I and others said would happen have come to pass. Unplayable and untradeable....shocker!

[DPG21920]

Literally every negative aspect of resigning Pau that I and others said would happen have come to pass. Unplayable and untradeable....shocker!

He’s far from untradeable get it together. Seen 1000000x worse deals traded if need be

[TimDunkem]

And yet he will still be here once the deadline passes. :lol

[ceperez]

You can't win without 5 men playing defense, but you can play with a four men offense. Harden is making us think you can even win with a one-man offense.

In this Spurs team, with DeRozan being the main perimeter player and Gay being a closer, the team needs more defensive players around them. White and Aldridge play correctly both ends of the court, but Rudy and Demarr are offensive players. The fifth member of the unit should be a good defensive player, ideally a good rebounder that also doesn't hurt the offense too much. Forbes clearly isn't this player. Despite his D is better, still isn't good enough vs starting PG/SG in this league.

Should the Spurs could develop a corner 3pt shot in Stan Johson, he'd become a great fit for this team.

Technically, Murray is that D player that's missing.

But, Stanley Johnson, for a pick, may be need to pry him loose from the Pistons.

I say, Stanley Johnson and 2nd round pick for Raptors 1st round pick.

[MaNu4Tres]

I predict this thread will reach 30+ pages...and the Spurs will make exactly 0 moves.

People like to share ideas, and the Spurs will try to improve the team short or long term as best they can. Just like they always do every year around this time. But if no results come to fruition with a trade, then dumb fans will think they didn't try to do anything.

[Dverde]

People like to share ideas, and the Spurs will try to improve the team short or long term as best they can. Just like they always do every year around this time. But if no results come to fruition with a trade, then dumb fans will think they didn't try to do anything.

It’s a mixture of the Spurs over-valuing their players, teams afraid of the Spurs making them look dumb, front office loyalty to plays who are “loyal” to them.

[sasaint]

Technically, Murray is that D player that's missing.

But, Stanley Johnson, for a pick, may be need to pry him loose from the Pistons.

I say, Stanley Johnson and 2nd round pick for Raptors 1st round pick.

Personally I like the potential of Toronto’s pick more than I like Stanley’s potential. No movement is better than a move that does not move the needle at all.

[sasaint]

You can't win without 5 men playing defense, but you can play with a four men offense. Harden is making us think you can even win with a one-man offense.

In this Spurs team, with DeRozan being the main perimeter player and Gay being a closer, the team needs more defensive players around them. White and Aldridge play correctly both ends of the court, but Rudy and Demarr are offensive players. The fifth member of the unit should be a good defensive player, ideally a good rebounder that also doesn't hurt the offense too much. Forbes clearly isn't this player. Despite his D is better, still isn't good enough vs starting PG/SG in this league.

Should the Spurs could develop a corner 3pt shot in Stan Johson, he'd become a great fit for this team.

Defense is not sexy, but your argument about five guys defending seems sound. However, Harden is also making many think you can win with only 4 defenders, too! :lol

[marinoman]

What is this 5 defenders nonsense to make a good defense. Steph isn’t a lockdown guy, same with harden, hell other than some small bursts lebron isn’t that good on defense. The thunder that have hurt us in the playoffs and got to the finals once. If people think it Forbes defense is the main thing that’s keeping us from being elite, then holy shit.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Tbh the Spurs drafted their own version of Stanley when they picked Kyle with the 29th pick. I don't see any point in trading for him when we have proven to get better value or at the very least equal value of Stanley in the draft.

[NASpurs]

1089280403448479744

[Ragamuffin]

i think spurs dont trade :(

[Coach X]

Technically, Murray is that D player that's missing.

But, Stanley Johnson, for a pick, may be need to pry him loose from the Pistons.

I say, Stanley Johnson and 2nd round pick for Raptors 1st round pick.

Agree if we're talking about next season, I'm still thinking in this one though. I think he can help our team to grow. Next season, a decent S Johnson might be an interesting bench player for a contender.


Defense is not sexy, but your argument about five guys defending seems sound. However, Harden is also making many think you can win with only 4 defenders, too! :lol

Somehow Harden has become a decent defender. He's even good in the low post. I really hate Harden's game but can't deny his success so far, they're still winning without Paul and Capela (They've added Faried and Rivers and they're helping them to win). If they add another 3&D (Ariza, Bazemore rumors say) and recover Danuel House, they will have a better roster they had last year. Morey allows D'Antoni to run his system but knows he needs defense and rebounding so he's adding more and more personnel that can deal with the dirty work (on top of Capela).
That's what good franchises do: surround their stars with that kind of players. Ideally, you want to have all-stars that also play good defense and can rebound, but there is just a handful of that elite of the elite players. Role players can do well the dirty job whilst stars create highlights with the ball in their hands. It doesn't' work the other way.

Going back to the topic, I just found this in twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxsboc8UYAA4DmB.jpg:large

[Pavlov]

i think spurs dont trade :(Kinda have that feeling except for maybe a minor one. Think they might be content to check the waiver wire after the deadline.

Is there any talk of Parsons' being bought out if Memphis isn't able to trade him?

[marinoman]

Not sure if spurs will make a move or not, gotta read more info from the Klan

[Chinook]

Agree if we're talking about next season, I'm still thinking in this one though. I think he can help our team to grow. Next season, a decent S Johnson might be an interesting bench player for a contender.



Somehow Harden has become a decent defender. He's even good in the low post. I really hate Harden's game but can't deny his success so far, they're still winning without Paul and Capela (They've added Faried and Rivers and they're helping them to win). If they add another 3&D (Ariza, Bazemore rumors say) and recover Danuel House, they will have a better roster they had last year. Morey allows D'Antoni to run his system but knows he needs defense and rebounding so he's adding more and more personnel that can deal with the dirty work (on top of Capela).
That's what good franchises do: surround their stars with that kind of players. Ideally, you want to have all-stars that also play good defense and can rebound, but there is just a handful of that elite of the elite players. Role players can do well the dirty job whilst stars create highlights with the ball in their hands. It doesn't' work the other way.

Going back to the topic, I just found this in twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxsboc8UYAA4DmB.jpg:large

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is wrong or misleading. That partial guarantee thing only matters after the deadline. There'd be no issue trading him for matching salary now.

[r0drig0lac]

If they add another 3&D (Ariza, Bazemore rumors say) and recover Danuel House, they will have a better roster they had last year. Morey allows D'Antoni to run his system but knows he needs defense and rebounding so he's adding more and more personnel that can deal with the dirty work (on top of Capela).



agree

[cd021]

Ingram has been disappointing but you gotta wonder if leaving the Lakers would better him the way it did D Lo?
He had a horrid rookie year, a better second year by comparison ( but still poor) and then this season has seen him regress from last season. 3 seasons in and he is still a far below average player. At this point, he may end up going the Michael Beasley route. Eventually being a journeyman after leaving his first team.

[MoSpur02]

Heard Thon Maker is wanting a trade

[jermaine]

Heard Thon Maker is wanting a trade

Pop loves blacks an foreigners..... Sign him up

[Chinook]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1088937747535093760

Tonight hurt his value. It's not that he's been bad -- he's actually been pretty good. But Okafor has looked just as good if not better. It just highlights how easy it is to find a good offensive big nowadays. Yes, there are places where Gasol could get minutes. But I can't think of many places where he'd be the best option. I guess he's not as bad as having Miles Plumlee or Mozgov, so that's positive.

This is baseless speculation on my part, but Pau and Davis are enough salary ballast for an Otto Porter trade. Wouldn't like that move, though. Beli would be good. Bertans going out would hamper the team's upside, especially next year.

[Duncan87]

Pau playing good gonna make Pop forget bout trade deadline

[Chinook]

Gasol's still better than Poeltl. It's just that they were fine with Poeltl, and you can't play all three.

[DAF86]

Gasol's still better than Poeltl. It's just that they were fine with Poeltl, and you can't play all three.

Just, no.

Poeltl gives you a defensive ceiling that Gasol could never provide.

[Chinook]

Just, no.

Poeltl gives you a defensive ceiling that Gasol could never provide.

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

[ceperez]

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

Pau is a better post defender and maybe a better offensive player. Poetl is a more mobile player.

Looks like Pau may have passed his audition!

[DAF86]

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

Under what criteria? :lol

[Chinook]

Under what criteria? :lol

Like stopping other teams from scoring.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

Well his IQ doesn't do shit in Pick n roll defense which Poetl does a much better job. In half court team defense Gasol might be a bit better, but in playoff basketball where everybody runs a million pick n rolls, Gasol will get killed.

[TimDunkem]

Well his IQ doesn't do shit in Pick n roll defense which Poetl does a much better job. In half court team defense Gasol might be a bit better, but in playoff basketball where everybody runs a million pick n rolls, Gasol will get killed.

Just wait until he burns out by then. It's only going to get worse with Spanish llama.

[Genovaswitness]

Heard Thon Maker is wanting a trade

I'd give up 38 year old pau for 40 year old thon

[RD2191]

I'd give up 38 year old pau for 40 year old thon

:lol

[Chinook]

Well his IQ doesn't do shit in Pick n roll defense which Poetl does a much better job. In half court team defense Gasol might be a bit better, but in playoff basketball where everybody runs a million pick n rolls, Gasol will get killed.

Yeah, and Tim got killed just as bad in pick-and-rolls. Still a good defender. Poeltl, like Splitter, is more mobile, but Tiago's instincts on that end were phenomenal. Poeltl makes great plays, but he is still prone to losing his head and fouling or falling for a fake. And he really doesn't do very well guarding good bigs, and there are some of those in the Western bracket.

[Chinook]

Of course, people are getting hung up on the Gasol>Poeltl part. That doesn't mean that the Spurs should try to keep Pau no matter what. But folks confuse their dislike for a player with that player actually being bad. Same shit happened with Forbes and Mills. Gasol is the second-best big on the team, and like Jakob, he plays much better when he has an established role and is allowed to get into rhythm. They both look bad when they split time, but either one will be a good backup center if they're allowed to settle in there.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, and Tim got killed just as bad in pick-and-rolls. Still a good defender. Poeltl, like Splitter, is more mobile, but Tiago's instincts on that end were phenomenal. Poeltl makes great plays, but he is still prone to losing his head and fouling or falling for a fake. And he really doesn't do very well guarding good bigs, and there are some of those in the Western bracket.

Please don't ever (and I mean EVER) compare Gasols defense to Tim Duncan's. You lose all credibility when you do that.

[Chinook]

Please don't ever (and I mean EVER) compare Gasols defense to Tim Duncan's. You lose all credibility when you do that.

Yeah, you probably didn't watch the Spurs much back when Tim was playing. Duncan's mobility was a huge issue the last half-dozen or so years he was in the league. The first series I remember when that really was an issue was the 2010 semis against Phoenix. What made Leonard and Green so good was that they were able to let Tim defend in a phone booth, where his timing and instincts are unparalleled in NBA history. Back then, the Spurs actually did not like switching at all (that came with in Messina's second year he Pop let him implement the "Wall" defense), because it exposed Duncan's lack of mobility. In fact, Pop had been routinely taking Tim out for final-shot situations by 2013, because he couldn't stay with anybody.

Gasol is actually a very good defender in a phone booth, which is why his impact stats on that end have been very strong as a Spur. This new NBA makes switching more important, and that prevents him from playing to his strengths, but he was still an anchor on last year's top unit. With the perimeter players this year, it's more of a challenge than ever, but Pau is still grading out very well.

[DAF86]

Like stopping other teams from scoring.

Yeah, no. :lol

[Chinook]

Yeah, no. :lol

Yep.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, you probably didn't watch the Spurs much back when Tim was playing. Duncan's mobility was a huge issue the last half-dozen or so years he was in the league. The first series I remember when that really was an issue was the 2010 semis against Phoenix. What made Leonard and Green so good was that they were able to let Tim defend in a phone booth, where his timing and instincts are unparalleled in NBA history. Back then, the Spurs actually did not like switching at all (that came with in Messina's second year he Pop let him implement the "Wall" defense), because it exposed Duncan's lack of mobility. In fact, Pop had been routinely taking Tim out for final-shot situations by 2013, because he couldn't stay with anybody.

Gasol is actually a very good defender in a phone booth, which is why his impact stats on that end have been very strong as a Spur. This new NBA makes switching more important, and that prevents him from playing to his strengths, but he was still an anchor on last year's top unit. With the perimeter players this year, it's more of a challenge than ever, but Pau is still grading out very well.

boy you don't get to pull that old man card on me. I've been watching the Spurs since 95. it doesn't matter that Tims defense was slow. That he wasn't as mobile. The point I'm making is that Gasol has never EVER been in Duncan's league defensively. I'm not an idiot. I understood your point about mobility. But old man Duncan is better than old man Gasol on defense, so your point is beyond useless.

Gasol sucks against playoff teams. That's a fact. He sucks at switching and he sucks defending the pick n roll. This whole, he would be better 10 years ago thing is a load of crap. Hell he'd be better in 1953 too when everyone was unskilled and short. Doesn't do us any good in the present. phone booth doesn't mean crap this year son and neither does what he did last year. He's another year older and another year slower and coming off a broken foot.

[Chinook]

boy you don't get to pull that old man card on me. I've been watching the Spurs since 95. it doesn't matter that Tims defense was slow. That he wasn't as mobile. The point I'm making is that Gasol has never EVER been in Duncan's league defensively. I'm not an idiot. I understood your point about mobility. But old man Duncan is better than old man Gasol on defense, so your point is beyond useless.

Yeah, no. Tim was slow to the point that it mattered. He was slow to the point that a lot of folks thought he should retire five years earlier. Your post makes you come off like you believe Tim's career was a straight line of consistent excellence. It's not true. He was way better than most fans seem to understand his first few years and had come really dark moments later on. Pop gets way underrated for how he managed to shift around the roster and scheme to compliment Tim and his changing game. Yeah, Tim's lack of mobility was in the same league as Pau's. Being hurt about that doesn't negate it. Tim is a GOAT candidate, especially defensively, but his weaknesses were very apparent.


Gasol sucks against playoff teams. That's a fact. He sucks at switching and he sucks defending the pick n roll. This whole, he would be better 10 years ago thing is a load of crap. Hell he'd be better in 1953 too when everyone was unskilled and short. Doesn't do us any good in the present. phone booth doesn't mean crap this year son and neither does what he did last year. He's another year older and another year slower and coming off a broken foot.

There's no doubt in my mind that Tim would struggle defensively against modern offenses without the proper perimeter support. I do think he'd find a way to make the most of his limited athleticism, but I also think Pop would do everything in his power to not let that happen. Gasol's defensive numbers have always been good, and you denying that says more about what you look for when you evaluate players than anything else.

[sasaint]

Agree if we're talking about next season, I'm still thinking in this one though. I think he can help our team to grow. Next season, a decent S Johnson might be an interesting bench player for a contender.



Somehow Harden has become a decent defender. He's even good in the low post. I really hate Harden's game but can't deny his success so far, they're still winning without Paul and Capela (They've added Faried and Rivers and they're helping them to win). If they add another 3&D (Ariza, Bazemore rumors say) and recover Danuel House, they will have a better roster they had last year. Morey allows D'Antoni to run his system but knows he needs defense and rebounding so he's adding more and more personnel that can deal with the dirty work (on top of Capela).
That's what good franchises do: surround their stars with that kind of players. Ideally, you want to have all-stars that also play good defense and can rebound, but there is just a handful of that elite of the elite players. Role players can do well the dirty job whilst stars create highlights with the ball in their hands. It doesn't' work the other way.

Going back to the topic, I just found this in twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxsboc8UYAA4DmB.jpg:large

Wow! Thanks! Spurs can't catch a break - and wouldn't take advantage even if they did. I think Pau was always going to remain "ours."

[Spurs fever]

Not sure if spurs will make a move or not, gotta read more info from the Klan

Is he legit? I can't find any follow up on anything he says. He just sites sources.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/peteredmiston/status/1089352611566964736

https://twitter.com/HerringtonNBA/status/1089352627123564544

[exstatic]

Wow! Thanks! Spurs can't catch a break - and wouldn't take advantage even if they did. I think Pau was always going to remain "ours."

As Chinook said, I think that guy is wrong about the timing of The salary penalty. He can be traded at his current salary amount up to the deadline.

[DAF86]

Yep.

Your loved on/off stat says he isn't, tbh. Or do you like that stat only when it fits your narrative?

[Chinook]

I think he could find a home if he gets bought out, so it wouldn't surprise me if he and the club are about to part ways. Pau, Pon and a first for Temple and Green isn't my favorite trade out there, but it would at least give depth at the wing and in the front court, and it'd clear future salary.

[Chinook]

Your loved on/off stat says he isn't, tbh. Or do you like that stat only when it fits your narrative?

On-off is biased at a time when the whole team was playing bad defense. Every other stat (DRtg, DBPM, DFG% and dRPM) all have Gasol as ahead.

[John B]

There were some players that seemed done but Houston took the risk and gave them cheap contracts...Eric Gordon, now Faried.

I wonder why the Spurs couldn't sign anything better than 48M-39 years old Pau.
Faried would have been nice tbh

[DAF86]

On-off is biased at a time when the whole team was playing bad defense. Every other stat (DRtg, DBPM, DFG% and dRPM) all have Gasol as ahead.

Poeltl has been by far the most impactful defensive player for the Spurs all season long. Him being able to anchor lineups consisting of Forbes, Mills and Belinelli is a big reason why we are on the right side of .500 right now.

Gasol's defense is underrated on this forum, but he's not better than Poeltl at this point. Not even close.

[sasaint]

As Chinook said, I think that guy is wrong about the timing of The salary penalty. He can be traded at his current salary amount up to the deadline.

I still think he is ours to keep.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, no. Tim was slow to the point that it mattered. He was slow to the point that a lot of folks thought he should retire five years earlier. Your post makes you come off like you believe Tim's career was a straight line of consistent excellence. It's not true. He was way better than most fans seem to understand his first few years and had come really dark moments later on. Pop gets way underrated for how he managed to shift around the roster and scheme to compliment Tim and his changing game. Yeah, Tim's lack of mobility was in the same league as Pau's. Being hurt about that doesn't negate it. Tim is a GOAT candidate, especially defensively, but his weaknesses were very apparent.



There's no doubt in my mind that Tim would struggle defensively against modern offenses without the proper perimeter support. I do think he'd find a way to make the most of his limited athleticism, but I also think Pop would do everything in his power to not let that happen. Gasol's defensive numbers have always been good, and you denying that says more about what you look for when you evaluate players than anything else.

All I said (literally) was that Gasol isn't as good of a defender as Duncan. He's not in the same ball park defensively as Duncan. At any point of his career. This is backed up by accolades and actual stats. This isn't a take on Duncan's defensive liabilities it's a take saying that Duncan was a better defender. Period. You brought up Duncan's weaknesses as some point in saying that they are the same as Gasol. But it doesn't matter if they were the same bc my point is that Duncan was a better defender than Gasol. At all times in their career. You can go into this entire pointless rant about Duncan's weaknesses and Pops greatness and Danny green and Kawhi covering up for Duncan, but it didn't change the fact that Gasol is a worse defender.

You can slice it up anyway you want it, but Poetl (for this team this year) not last year or any other year, is the better option for us going forward bc of his mobility and ability to defend the pick n roll. He does dumb things that make you scratch your head, I will give you that, but I've lost count of how many times Gasol hasn't tried in defending the pick n roll and just lets the opposing team score on him without contesting anything.

You also aren't factoring in Pau's current age, his decline in speed, and his foot injury affecting that lack of speed. He's done. It was a good career but he's finished. This year he sucks defensively

[CGD]

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Wonder what the price tag is?

[Dverde]

Wonder what the price tag is?

Anyone asking for a trade from a team in first place is not over himself

[Chinook]

All I said (literally) was that Gasol isn't as good of a defender as Duncan. He's not in the same ball park defensively as Duncan. At any point of his career. This is backed up by accolades and actual stats. This isn't a take on Duncan's defensive liabilities it's a take saying that Duncan was a better defender. Period. You brought up Duncan's weaknesses as some point in saying that they are the same as Gasol. But it doesn't matter if they were the same bc my point is that Duncan was a better defender than Gasol. At all times in their career. You can go into this entire pointless rant about Duncan's weaknesses and Pops greatness and Danny green and Kawhi covering up for Duncan, but it didn't change the fact that Gasol is a worse defender.

You can slice it up anyway you want it, but Poetl (for this team this year) not last year or any other year, is the better option for us going forward bc of his mobility and ability to defend the pick n roll. He does dumb things that make you scratch your head, I will give you that, but I've lost count of how many times Gasol hasn't tried in defending the pick n roll and just lets the opposing team score on him without contesting anything.

You also aren't factoring in Pau's current age, his decline in speed, and his foot injury affecting that lack of speed. He's done. It was a good career but he's finished. This year he sucks defensively

This whole conversation started because you got offended at me bringing up Tim as a big with limited mobility who made up for it. You keep trying to act like I am going on "pointless tangents" about how Tim survived as an immobile big when him surviving is the entire point. I get it. You hate Pau and are extremely butt-hurt that I mentioned Tim in the same sentence as him. That's your right. But don't come in here talking about what the "point" is when you're the one dragging this whole thread into a side conversation.

Gasol isn't a bad defender this year. He wasn't last year. I don't think anyone on this thread wants the Spurs to keep him around next year. But he's still a good player right now, no matter how much that upsets you. Old, yes. Injured, yes. Slow, yes. Still better than Poeltl? Yes.

[Dverde]

Just imagine how many titles Timmy would have won with Kobe and company.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

This whole conversation started because you got offended at me bringing up Tim as a big with limited mobility who made up for it. You keep trying to act like I am going on "pointless tangents" about how Tim survived as an immobile big when him surviving is the entire point. I get it. You hate Pau and are extremely butt-hurt that I mentioned Tim in the same sentence as him. That's your right. But don't come in here talking about what the "point" is when you're the one dragging this whole thread into a side conversation.

Gasol isn't a bad defender this year. He wasn't last year. I don't think anyone on this thread wants the Spurs to keep him around next year. But he's still a good player right now, no matter how much that upsets you. Old, yes. Injured, yes. Slow, yes. Still better than Poeltl? Yes.

True i did get upset over that. And you doubled down on it. It's like saying Shaq and Deandre Jordan are comparable bc they both averaged double digit points and rebounds. Technically true, but they shouldn't really be in the same conversation.

So Gasol isn't a bad pick n roll defender? Bc that's what I keep mentioning. Specifically his defense there. You keep mentioning the phone booth and I keep mentioning the pick n roll. I even said gasol was a better team defender but we need a more mobile big man that can stay with the guard. In the playoffs we have to face Harden, Lillard, Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Lebron, etc. I feel like Poetl is better in that regard

[Chinook]

True i did get upset over that. And you doubled down on it. It's like saying Shaq and Deandre Jordan are comparable bc they both averaged double digit points and rebounds. Technically true, but they shouldn't really be in the same conversation.

First, Pau's a hall-of-famer. He wasn't just a good player. He's right there with Tony and Manu. Tim's a level above that, but there aren't all that many bigs with better careers than Gasol's. Second, it's like comparing DAJ to Shaq by saying, "Shaq was an awful FT shooter too, but he still managed to be dominant offensive player." You don't have to be as great as someone else to share the same weaknesses.


So Gasol isn't a bad pick n roll defender? Bc that's what I keep mentioning. Specifically his defense there. You keep mentioning the phone booth and I keep mentioning the pick n roll. I even said gasol was a better team defender but we need a more mobile big man that can stay with the guard. In the playoffs we have to face Harden, Lillard, Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Lebron, etc. I feel like Poetl is better in that regard

Tim was also a bad PnR defender. You seem to think he's some unapproachable defender, but he was really bad there. That was the whole point. I'm not trying to convince you that Poeltl can't defend the PnR better than Pau. But that's only part of what it takes to be a good defender. You can game plan for a weakness like that, especially when we're talking about a bench big. Most of those teams don't have backup centers that Pop has to worry about, so it shouldn't be that hard to contain the ball-handler with a hard show and recovery.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

First, Pau's a hall-of-famer. He wasn't just a good player. He's right there with Tony and Manu. Tim's a level above that, but there aren't all that many bigs with better careers than Gasol's. Second, it's like comparing DAJ to Shaq by saying, "Shaq was an awful FT shooter too, but he still managed to be dominant offensive player." You don't have to be as great as someone else to share the same weaknesses.



Tim was also a bad PnR defender. You seem to think he's some unapproachable defender, but he was really bad there. That was the whole point. I'm not trying to convince you that Poeltl can't defend the PnR better than Pau. But that's only part of what it takes to be a good defender. You can game plan for a weakness like that, especially when we're talking about a bench big. Most of those teams don't have backup centers that Pop has to worry about, so it shouldn't be that hard to contain the ball-handler with a hard show and recovery.

Oh yeah Duncan wasn't a great pick n roll defender after like 2008. 2011 was his worst year and I thought he was done. In 2015, old man Duncan's pick n roll defense really was attacked. In the playoffs he gave up the winner to CP3 and even before that he gave up the game winner to AD that made us drop like 3 spots.
But Pop loves playing his bench unit together and I feel like Poetl anchors the bench unit better than Pau. Pau is more useful for teams with a bruiser type of player (like guarding Cousins for instance) but other teams play their stars like 40 minutes a night in the playoffs and Pop doesn't so our bench will face their starters. And their starters will be running excessive pick n rolls to attack Pau and with the lack of actual perimeter help defensively, I see Pau not fairing so well in the playoffs. I think Poetl needs to be taking his minutes and getting his mistakes out of the way on the regular season so he will be improved for the postseason. Bc the dude has his flaws for sure. But like you said, coaching can fix them

[Chinook]

Oh yeah Duncan wasn't a great pick n roll defender after like 2008. 2011 was his worst year and I thought he was done. In 2015, old man Duncan's pick n roll defense really was attacked. In the playoffs he gave up the winner to CP3 and even before that he gave up the game winner to AD that made us drop like 3 spots.
But Pop loves playing his bench unit together and I feel like Poetl anchors the bench unit better than Pau. Pau is more useful for teams with a bruiser type of player (like guarding Cousins for instance) but other teams play their stars like 40 minutes a night in the playoffs and Pop doesn't so our bench will face their starters. And their starters will be running excessive pick n rolls to attack Pau and with the lack of actual perimeter help defensively, I see Pau not fairing so well in the playoffs. I think Poetl needs to be taking his minutes and getting his mistakes out of the way on the regular season so he will be improved for the postseason. Bc the dude has his flaws for sure. But like you said, coaching can fix them

Pau's value to the bench really depends on how well the others do at moving the ball. He's a great creator, and he and Beli have really good chemistry. But there's little question in my mind that Poeltl would fit better with Manu than Gasol would/did. He's not a Chandler, DAJ level lob threat, but he's great at getting himself open inside, and he's usually a really good finisher. Pau's scoring ability is more varied, but he's way too inconsistent on that end. Pop has been running DeRozan a lot with the second unit recently. If that's something he does during the playoffs, Poeltl is going to look better. If Gasol is still on the team in a few weeks, Pop's probably going to be most inclined to play him when the team goes big, because Pau at least handles himself better in those situations than Jakob does, and the Spurs did have success against Harden a couple of years ago by forcing him to drive and having two big guys with arms up to contest. That won't be as easy to pull off now that the Rockets don't even pretend to run a traditional PF.

[BackHome]

Don’t have both of your basketball knowledge but right now in today’s NBA I’ll take Poodle over Gasol because he is more mobile and can finish as the rim.

[r0drig0lac]

Just imagine how many titles Timmy would have won with Kobe and company.

Would Tim be the second option for Kobe?

[MoSpur02]

I think he could find a home if he gets bought out, so it wouldn't surprise me if he and the club are about to part ways. Pau, Pon and a first for Temple and Green isn't my favorite trade out there, but it would at least give depth at the wing and in the front court, and it'd clear future salary.

Green isn't a great player, but always kind of wished he would've stayed with the Spurs

[cjw]

Don’t have both of your basketball knowledge but right now in today’s NBA I’ll take Poodle over Gasol because he is more mobile and can finish as the rim.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Spurs are quietly testing the market for Poeltl too. Extremely unlikely they get value above where they value him given bigs aren’t valued like they used to be, but he’s about 18 months from becoming much more expensive on that second contract. His TRADE value will never be higher and he’s somewhat redundant with Gasol. Then again, if they trade a big and another goes down, they’re pretty screwed.

Do I expect a trade? No. But if some dumb team gives up a SF or a decent first (teens or low 20s), I’d consider it.

[tbdog]

The team was built pre Leonard trade. So it's unsure how the Spurs will build around the new pieces or if the new pieces can be built around. But next year Spurs will have 3 playmakers to throw at Poeltl. So his fit might be easy to deal with.

[BD24]

Unless a good trade opportunity presents itself I say we hold fast. If we can trade spare parts and second rounders for a good wing, do that shit.

If you have to give up any of our first or young players thats a non starter. We already have three promising guards for the future in Walker, White, Murray. We need to use one of those picks on a good wing in this draft, a true wing. The other pick should be used on a modern 4/5.

[ceperez]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Spurs are quietly testing the market for Poeltl too. Extremely unlikely they get value above where they value him given bigs aren’t valued like they used to be, but he’s about 18 months from becoming much more expensive on that second contract. His TRADE value will never be higher and he’s somewhat redundant with Gasol. Then again, if they trade a big and another goes down, they’re pretty screwed.

Do I expect a trade? No. But if some dumb team gives up a SF or a decent first (teens or low 20s), I’d consider it.

Well here's another Spurs trade asset:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPwtXA7H7qM

[exstatic]

Well here's another Spurs trade asset:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPwtXA7H7qM

People have been shitting on this pick almost since the day it was made, but the last Euroleague MVP we brought over worked out pretty well. Can you imagine if the Spurs trade him, and he turns into like a bigger, better Scola? This forum could actually break.

[WaywardTexan]

I like how almost all of those highlights were of him grabbing a rebound. The rest were dunks. Most were both.

[Duncan87]

Anyone know if he’s a decent shot blocker or more of a positional defender ?

[objective]

Anyone know if he’s a decent shot blocker or more of a positional defender ?

Position, pretty much like Pau.

His blocked shot numbers aren't great in the Euroleague, but that's because he learned to stop chasing blocks and dropped his fouls per 36 massively, from over 6 to maybe 2 in his time in Euroleague. I posted the exact numbers in his thread in the Think Tank

He's almost Pau size, alleged 7-4, 7-5 wingspan when he was drafted.

[MoSpur02]

His rebounding stood out to me more than anything else in them highlights

[CGD]

The Multinov situation is interesting. Even stretching and waiving Pau this summer, seems like the Spurs with be operating above the cap. On the one hand it would be good to use the MLE on a SF, but on the other the trifecta of White-Murray-Walker seems to help address a lot of the concerns at the wing next year on paper. The two picks should add additional opportunities to improve there as well.

Why not use a good chunk of the MLE on this dude? Worst case they can re-up with Gay for SF depth.

[sasaint]

Wow! It is good to have Davis back!

[jermaine]

Wow! It is good to have Davis back!

I pray they dont trade him. He can shoot an finish strong around the rim.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Keep team as is :flag:

[ace3g]

10 days till NBA Trade Deadline.

[ceperez]

10 days till NBA Trade Deadline.

The assets that Spurs want to trade (Pau, Cunningham, Pondexter) nobody wants.

Other teams may want Spurs picks in 2019 or Milutinov. Let's see if the can do something to get that missing SF.

Is there any urgency though to make a trade? Spurs aren't competing to win it all this year. Better to have capspace.

[Realdeal1]

Anthony Davis officially requests to be traded

[NASpurs]

Anthony Davis officially requests to be traded

Crazy

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[NASpurs]

In before someone makes the 100 pg AD megathread in which the Spurs are listed as an interest (aka leverage) and it results to everything being a fart in the wind.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Shitty luck for NO fans. They'll have much more leverage in the summer, hope Demps doesn't accept a bad deal from either LA team.

[ceperez]

Lots of team going to package up deals to get Anthony Davis. I think Boston has the most assets to trade away.

[outmap]

Anthony Davis officially requests to be traded

http://tradenba.com/trades/H1oxiu3XV

[NASpurs]

Trading AD means the Pels are going to go into rebuilding mode aka young guys + picks. The Celtics have a shit ton of those things. With the Raptors looking as strong as they do and the idiots missing out on Kawhi, it wouldn’t surprise me .

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Lots of team going to package up deals to get Anthony Davis. I think Boston has the most assets to trade away.

Yes but Boston can't trade for him until the summer.

[ceperez]

Yes but Boston can't trade for him until the summer.

Why's that? Any FO will strike when the iron is hot.

Are you saying the Lakers are going to send their assets to NO?

[cjw]

Why's that? Any FO will strike when the iron is hot.

Are you saying the Lakers are going to send their assets to NO?

Because they traded for Kyrie and because of the contract both have.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why's that? Any FO will strike when the iron is hot.

Are you saying the Lakers are going to send their assets to NO?

Teams are not allowed to trade for two DPE players and Boston already got Kyrie.

[MoSpur02]

New Orleans should hold onto to him until the summer. No need to make a rushed move. Sit him out until the end of the season.

[MoSpur02]

I think this whole demanding to be traded is ruining the NBA. I tend to blame LeBron.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think this whole demanding to be traded is ruining the NBA. I tend to blame LeBron.

Well he's pushing to be traded to a team where his current agent is an active player. Can't get more fucked up for the NBA but doubt Silver cares - he's selling tickets and tv rights.

[BillMc]

Trading AD means the Pels are going to go into rebuilding mode aka young guys + picks. The Celtics have a shit ton of those things. With the Raptors looking as strong as they do and the idiots missing out on Kawhi, it wouldn’t surprise me .

Watch the Celtics do the same low ball junk when they did with Kawhi ala Tatum and good picks off the table.

[GusT15]

I think this whole demanding to be traded is ruining the NBA. I tend to blame LeBron.

I have no love for Lebron James as a person,i just recognize that he is a great player,but how the fuck is this lebron's fault?

Lebron never said anything requesting a trade while under contract,he always played his ass off on the court till he repayed every cent of his multi million contract for every team he played for.After his contract (thus signature,thus promise to play for said team) was finished,then he did whatever the fuck he wanted to do.

You are telling me that its lebron's fault these weak "superstars" are so easily lured elsewhere and bitch and moan for a trade while under contract?
Nah ah,they are grown ass men,if they do this weak shit,it's cause they feel no loyalty whatsoever to a team,so it's their issue and theirs alone.

[ceperez]

New Orleans should hold onto to him until the summer. No need to make a rushed move. Sit him out until the end of the season.

NOP want to get the best deal and if that happens to be in summer, then that's what's going to happen.

[r0drig0lac]

Massai probably goes all in with some combination that includes Siakam in an attempt to convince Davis and Kawhi to stay

[SuperCam]

He will be a laker by this offseason at latest, when Kiwi signs with them too.

Where will the retards go who said LeGOAT went to LA to retire? :lol

[MoSpur02]

I have no love for Lebron James as a person,i just recognize that he is a great player,but how the fuck is this lebron's fault?

Lebron never said anything requesting a trade while under contract,he always played his ass off on the court till he repayed every cent of his multi million contract for every team he played for.After his contract (thus signature,thus promise to play for said team) was finished,then he did whatever the fuck he wanted to do.

You are telling me that its lebron's fault these weak "superstars" are so easily lured elsewhere and bitch and moan for a trade while under contract?
Nah ah,they are grown ass men,if they do this weak shit,it's cause they feel no loyalty whatsoever to a team,so it's their issue and theirs alone.

You really don't think LeBron has anything to do with this?

[Duncan87]

Bet he puts Spurs on his preferred team Fake List Should be Lakers Lakers Lakers. Hate these sorry ass “I love my team Superstars .............. Nah I want to get traded”

[BillMc]

Bet he puts Spurs on his preferred team Fake List Should be Lakers Lakers Lakers. Hate these sorry ass “I love my team Superstars .............. Nah I want to get traded”

They sign these contracts to get their money assured, and then pout until someone trades them. Honor your damn contract and then go where you want as an FA. Hell, even Durant, for all the criticism, honored his contract. As did LMA. And he played hard and through injury for Portland his last year there.

[GusT15]

You really don't think LeBron has anything to do with this?

Of course Lebron and Rich Paul have everything to do with this but it's NOT their fault/issue!

Same as it wasn't the Uncle's fault! When you are a grown man you have full responcibility for your desicions! It's your call,your name on the line,your legacy,your character.

If i go ahead and flirt/cheat on my wife with that thick blonde chick from the office,i should go ahead and say "Ummmm,well,it was really her fault,she was being flirtatious,and touching me enticingly and have you seen what she is wearing??? Oh boy!"????? Hell no,they can only get to you if you let them!
You let them get to you? You're weak and disloyal.That's all.

The goddamn moron Adam Silver has done absolutely nothing to stop the tampering from happening,and the NBA superstars of 2020 are weak,emotional little bitches.

[Duncan87]

Golden State should trade Klay Dray Cuz for AD. Damn good deal

[Kawhi_6rings]

Anthony Davis officially requests to be traded
NOT A LEADER

[BatManu20]

Celtics couldn’t trade for Davis until this Summer due to the Rose Rule and them having Kyrie on
the roster. It’d have to be LA or another suitor. I think Rich Paul and Anthony Davis REALLY want LA. Hope the Pels don’t break and give him up for some shittyvpacksge centered around Lonzo, Kuzma, and/or Ingram.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Golden State should trade Klay Dray Cuz for AD. Damn good deal

Terrible deal for New Orleans.

[FireMicoHalili]

read somewhere Boston can't do a trade? If so, this is a personal list of where AD can end up:

1. LAL, for Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and KCP. Salaries match, we know they've been tampering for months now, and we'll be stupid to think Rich Paul didn't have a hand in this. If you noticed, Zubac's been playing audition games, nicely upping his paltry trade value.
2. POR, for McCollum, fillers, and picks. POR can take on some horrible contracts like E'Twaun Moore's.
3. BKN, for Jarrett Allen and Russell along with Carroll/Crabbe and Dudley. BKN has four picks this year if I'm not mistaken.

Davis mentioned he wants to be on a team who can contend. HOU can't offer anything palatable, OKC seems set, and not sure Jokic can coexist with Davis. Out in the East, the top four teams will probably be staying put. Someone on Twitter floated the Sixers but I'm not sure what they can offer since they just dealt for Jimmy Buckets. Miami can probably make a play with all those horrible contracts and a disgruntled Whiteside but that seems too farfetched.

Lol at that Eric Salinas dude lurking here, I won't be surprised to see my trade ideas plagiarized on Twitter.

[BatManu20]

Golden State should trade Klay Dray Cuz for AD. Damn good deal

Lol what. Shit deal. All 3 of those guys are free agents this summer & none of them would stay in NOLA :lol

[Duncan87]

Think Knicks throw Kristaps at them?

[Degoat]

Sucks for Nola fans and Jrue holiday tbh lol not that’ll happen but a couple weeks ago the Ringer prosposed a hypothetical trade of Anthony Davis for Ben Simmons

[FireMicoHalili]

Think Knicks throw Kristaps at them?
they could but AD specifically wants a playoff/championship caliber team. Preference pretty much narrows down the list of possible destinations.

[XDT76]

Lots of team going to package up deals to get Anthony Davis. I think Boston has the most assets to trade away.

I used to think that he is very good, but now I was wondering why would the team wanted AD who performed similar to LMA as he was in Portland and could not stay healthy for a season? Plus to give him the MAX despite all these issues. Having said that if NO would take Mills and Pau (the Hell I know why would they do that) for AD, I will do the trade.

[NASpurs]

Pels should just hold out for the summer. Fuck whatever trash the Lakers offer.

[XDT76]

Golden State should trade Klay Dray Cuz for AD. Damn good deal

How about Boogie for AD? Lol

[XDT76]

they could but AD specifically wants a playoff/championship caliber team. Preference pretty much narrows down the list of possible destinations.

Can AD block a trade? If not he has no say

[Degoat]

Pels should just hold out for the summer. Fuck whatever trash the Lakers offer.

I know right, lakers are such a shady franchise. I would love to see them trade all their young players for Davis and then Davis gets hurt per usual

[NASpurs]

I know right, lakers are such a shady franchise. I would love to see them trade all their young players for Davis and then Davis gets hurt per usual

:lol i was about to edit my post and add that part but you beat me to it. It would be hilarious to watch them squirm when he misses his usual 1/4 of the season.

[Duncan87]

Spurs should try nab mirotic while fire sale going on

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol i was about to edit my post and add that part but you beat me to it. It would be hilarious to watch them squirm when he misses his usual 1/4 of the season.
...and he's even hurt right now lol..it's like what did y'all expect? You traded for a player while he was injured lmao

[FireMicoHalili]

I know right, lakers are such a shady franchise. I would love to see them trade all their young players for Davis and then Davis gets hurt per usual
read Chris Mannix's tweet, Rich Paul made a fuss at this exact moment to pressure the Pelicans to trade AD. Technically the Pels can just wait for the offseason to make a deal with the Celtics.

https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1089880786575204358

[Duncan87]

Woj just said Knicks gonna be super aggressive adding kristaps to any package. Man I knew it predictable NBA

[John B]

LeBron, AD and Kiwi together yikes

[pad300]

With regards to BOS being out of it, I don't think so, for example, this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7pdglpm

with of course, several picks from BOS to NOP... (and maybe from SAS).
Obviously, SAS isn't the only team that could play the 3ed man role, but a) Kyrie has at least flirted with us before (and we had interest back), and b) there aren't that many teams with large semi-expirings like Pau...

[MoSpur02]

I know right, lakers are such a shady franchise. I would love to see them trade all their young players for Davis and then Davis gets hurt per usual

This

[NASpurs]

Any way we can form a hot threesome and get sloppy seconds by trading away Pau?

[GusT15]

Any way we can form a hot threesome and get sloppy seconds by trading away Pau?

Nobody wants to play here (they don't know when Pop is retiring and we hit the reset button),and nobody wants what we have to trade (they are eternally afraid that Spurs role players only fit and perform in the Spurs system)

[NASpurs]

Nobody wants to play here (they don't know when Pop is retiring and we hit the reset button),and nobody wants what we have to trade (they are eternally afraid that Spurs role players only fit and perform in the Spurs system)

Sometimes you trade for the player and sometimes you trade for a desirable contract. Pau fits the latter for a team wanting to get rid of a player.

[pad300]

Any way we can form a hot threesome and get sloppy seconds by trading away Pau?

LOOK UP!

[RD2191]

In before some team that isn't the Spurs trades a bag of chips and 10 bucks for AD.

[GusT15]

Sometimes you trade for the player and sometimes you trade for a desirable contract. Pau fits the latter for a team wanting to get rid of a player.

True but that also means RC would have to wait and see all the pieces falling were they may and try to poke a supplementary trade piece by trading Pau's contract.

And this whole hypothesis starts with the Spurs trading away Gasol and i really don't see that happening.

[exstatic]

read somewhere Boston can't do a trade? If so, this is a personal list of where AD can end up:

1. LAL, for Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and KCP. Salaries match, we know they've been tampering for months now, and we'll be stupid to think Rich Paul didn't have a hand in this. If you noticed, Zubac's been playing audition games, nicely upping his paltry trade value.
2. POR, for McCollum, fillers, and picks. POR can take on some horrible contracts like E'Twaun Moore's.
3. BKN, for Jarrett Allen and Russell along with Carroll/Crabbe and Dudley. BKN has four picks this year if I'm not mistaken.

Davis mentioned he wants to be on a team who can contend. HOU can't offer anything palatable, OKC seems set, and not sure Jokic can coexist with Davis. Out in the East, the top four teams will probably be staying put. Someone on Twitter floated the Sixers but I'm not sure what they can offer since they just dealt for Jimmy Buckets. Miami can probably make a play with all those horrible contracts and a disgruntled Whiteside but that seems too farfetched.

Lol at that Eric Salinas dude lurking here, I won't be surprised to see my trade ideas plagiarized on Twitter.

Houston also has Harden on a DPE deal, and is handcuffed just like Boston.

[NASpurs]

LOOK UP!

:lol LMA would throw a hissy fit if we added Kyrie to play along with DDR. Not enough touches :cry

[cd98]

This is an LA power move all the way. If Davis wants to win, he's not going to NY. And my guess is LeBron is calling the shots, so he's not going to Boston. Let's be honest, LeBron was not going to be patient waiting for superstars to come. People thought the plan was Kawhi, but I think this was the plan all along in LeBron's head.

[SuperCam]

This is an LA power move all the way. If Davis wants to win, he's not going to NY. And my guess is LeBron is calling the shots, so he's not going to Boston. Let's be honest, LeBron was not going to be patient waiting for superstars to come. People thought the plan was Kawhi, but I think this was the plan all along in LeBron's head.

laker have room for max free agent this summer, hence all the 1 year deals. the plan all along was for brow and kiwi to join him in LA to win titles

[exstatic]

He will be a laker by this offseason at latest, when Kiwi signs with them too.

Where will the retards go who said LeGOAT went to LA to retire? :lol

They can't get both Kawhi and Davis. Either via trades, or waiting for this summer, there is only enough salary to trade, or roll off this summer, for one MAX contract. In addition, by being so cute, and signing all of those players to one year deals, EACH player holds veto rights to ANY trade, a side effect of signing a player to a flat one year contract, as opposed to maybe 2 years, with a team option for year two, like a competent GM not named Magic might do.

[BackHome]

It will probably be LA his new agent is Lebrons they went out to dinner after they played a game with each other. Pelicans are going to be just like the Spurs in that if he starts letting teams know he wil only stay with X Team they will get shit in return.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Houston also has Harden on a DPE deal, and is handcuffed just like Boston.

They signed Harden to that deal, didn't trade for him on the same deal. My understanding is teams cannot trade for two players already on DPE deals but can have more than one.

They could offer Capela, Gordon and Jimmy Butler's 4 picks and it'd be much better than anything Lakers could come up with.

[FireMicoHalili]

Can AD block a trade? If not he has no say
Can’t, obviously. NOP frontcourt can banish him to Toronto like Pop and RC did with Nephew. Only leverage AD has is if he throws a bitch fit and says he won’t re-sign anywhere but a contender, severely lowering his trade value.

[MoSpur02]

This is an LA power move all the way. If Davis wants to win, he's not going to NY. And my guess is LeBron is calling the shots, so he's not going to Boston. Let's be honest, LeBron was not going to be patient waiting for superstars to come. People thought the plan was Kawhi, but I think this was the plan all along in LeBron's head.

Exactly. LeBron is a great player, but his influence in the NBA has started to ruin this league. He's the most influential player in this league and guys wanna do what he's been doing, which is to call all the shots. He's never demanded a trade, but he's demanded coaches to be fired, players to be traded so that this and that player could come play with him.

[SuperCam]

They can't get both Kawhi and Davis. Either via trades, or waiting for this summer, there is only enough salary to trade, or roll off this summer, for one MAX contract. In addition, by being so cute, and signing all of those players to one year deals, EACH player holds veto rights to ANY trade, a side effect of signing a player to a flat one year contract, as opposed to maybe 2 years, with a team option for year two, like a competent GM not named Magic might do.

nah rich paul thought of this ahead of time...

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1089911981287575553

[lmbebo]

Fuck this Lebron League. Its getting old. Feel sorry for New Orleans. They deserve better than this Lebron orchestrated crap.

[SuperCam]

Exactly. LeBron is a great player, but his influence in the NBA has started to ruin this league. He's the most influential player in this league and guys wanna do what he's been doing, which is to call all the shots. He's never demanded a trade, but he's demanded coaches to be fired, players to be traded so that this and that player could come play with him.

before him all the power rested in the white billionaire owners, that's supposed to be better? leGOAT has done more for labor empowerment in sports than any player in history...

[cd98]

Fuck this Lebron League. Its getting old. Feel sorry for New Orleans. They deserve better than this Lebron orchestrated crap.

It would be awesome if the trade goes down and then Silver vetoes it like the Paul trade. If only NO was still owned by the league.

[lmbebo]

before him all the power rested in the white billionaire owners, that's supposed to be better? leGOAT has done more for labor empowerment in sports than any player in history...


Believe that was Oscar Robertson? And I'm supposed to be happy for Lebron's empowerment of the league that negatively impacts the team I support? I honestly don't care about people making millions of dollars to play a game needing to feel empowered against ultra rich individuals. What is that empowerment doing? Its creating a bicostal league again... If thats empowerment, then its not a good thing for the league or the Spurs.

[cd98]

before him all the power rested in the white billionaire owners, that's supposed to be better? leGOAT has done more for labor empowerment in sports than any player in history...

Well now small market teams are farm teams that develop talent and once a player develops, he forces a trade to LA or NY. You might as well relocate all the teams to those two cities.

And it's still a white billionaire league. The owners get paid one way or the other. It's the fans in small markets that get screwed.

[MoSpur02]

before him all the power rested in the white billionaire owners, that's supposed to be better? leGOAT has done more for labor empowerment in sports than any player in history...

You make it seem like the players are making minimum wage working in harsh conditions. Get outta here with that.

[pad300]

:lol LMA would throw a hissy fit if we added Kyrie to play along with DDR. Not enough touches :cry

The first thing you do, if you are getting involved in such a talk, is ask DDR if he's willing to try to fill the Manu Ginobili role (taking over the game as 6th man):

1st unit : Irving, White, ?Belinelli?, Bertans/Gay, LMA
2nd unit: Mills, ?Forbes?, DDR, Gay/Bertans, Poetl

[SuperCam]

Well now small market teams are farm teams that develop talent and once a player develops, he forces a trade to LA or NY. You might as well relocate all the teams to those two cities.

And it's still a white billionaire league. The owners get paid one way or the other. It's the fans in small markets that get screwed.

new orleans had AD under contract for 7 years they had their chance. why should he be forced to toil? it's not like the white billionaires wont trade their asses in a second if the right deal comes up...

[TimDunkem]

Also, it can't really be empowering to be one of those teammates of Lebron's knowing that he's cheering you on from the sidelines while, behind the scenes, he's working overtime to have you traded so he can have his usual cakewalk to the Finals.

[TimDunkem]

With that said, good for AD. NO has done next to nothing to put a winning team around him.

[lmbebo]

You know whats forgotten in this whole owners vs players crap, the fans. We enable all of this. We are seen as the constant in this. Its because all of us that this works. We watch TV that has led to the rich TV contracts. We pay for tickets. We sign off on stadium deals, funding, etc.

Would *love* to orchestrate a "walk out" where fans didn't show up to games on a single day or turned off of sporting games on tv in protest of all this crap. Just to get the attention of everyone else that we should matter more in this small elitist world.

[Realdeal1]

Send his ass to New York ... Lebron will have to wait another season to get him .. sick of Lebron's shit

[RD2191]

You know whats forgotten in this whole owners vs players crap, the fans. We enable all of this. We are seen as the constant in this. Its because all of us that this works. We watch TV that has led to the rich TV contracts. We pay for tickets. We sign off on stadium deals, funding, etc.

Would *love* to orchestrate a "walk out" where fans didn't show up to games on a single day or turned off of sporting games on tv in protest of all this crap. Just to get the attention of everyone else that we should matter more in this small elitist world.

The political forum is that way----->

[KDKSpurs24]

With that said, good for AD. NO has done next to nothing to put a winning team around him.
Plus I think they have been the #1 most injured team since he’s gotten there.

[BatManu20]

Yea this has LA written all over it sadly. With Boston hand-cuffed right now, I really don’t see another team being able to offer more than LA can, even if their young core is overrated as fuck. Brooklyn maaybe, with their abundance of picks and young talent, but doubtful. Lebron is going to get his way one way or the other, me thinks.


Hope the Pels don’t rush it and just wait til the offseason where the C’s can offer the best package.

[Spurs da champs]

Can’t, obviously. NOP frontcourt can banish him to Toronto like Pop and RC did with Nephew. Only leverage AD has is if he throws a bitch fit and says he won’t re-sign anywhere but a contender, severely lowering his trade value.

If he specifies LA, his trade value would be lowered significantly, as of rn Boston has the best assets to offer of any team (contending or otherwise).

[cd98]

new orleans had AD under contract for 7 years they had their chance. why should he be forced to toil? it's not like the white billionaires wont trade their asses in a second if the right deal comes up...

When AD is a free agent, he can go wherever he wants. But when he's under contract, he should not go public and damage his trade value. Again, this is not about rich owners, who will get paid regardless. But if you are a NO fan that is paying $$$ for season tickets in the nose bleeds and they trade AD mid-season for Laker crap, then I think you have a legit gripe. The Spurs fans had the same gripe with Kawhi.

And no, a white billionaire would never trade Davis unless Davis forced his way out. But even if they did, who cares? That's what having guaranteed contracts are all about. If players want more ability to switch teams, give up on guaranteed contracts and then they don't have to worry about being stuck on a team for 7 years and then they also don't have to walk around and in a tone deaf way, act like they are being treated like slaves.

[sasaint]

before him all the power rested in the white billionaire owners, that's supposed to be better? leGOAT has done more for labor empowerment in sports than any player in history...

Curt Flood, tbh.

[DAF86]

Crazy

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DeRozan and/or Aldridge for Davis. I can only wish PATFO had the balls to make such move. :cry

[r0drig0lac]

Fuck this Lebron League. Its getting old. Feel sorry for New Orleans. They deserve better than this Lebron orchestrated crap.

lol wut? eight years of incompetence was not enough? Davis is the only one who deserves more, he did not have Westbrook, peak Ibaka and Harden in his team

[cd98]

lol wut? eight years of incompetence was not enough? Davis is the only one who deserves more, he did not have Westbrook, peak Ibaka and Harden in his team

It begs the question of how good Davis really is. NO didn't have bad talent. Certainly as good as David Robins pre-Duncan. So why can't he consistently get his team into the playoffs and do special things? To be honest, I think the Supermax only hurts teams that could re-sign their superstar. Especially when the superstar can't carry his team to the playoffs.

[r0drig0lac]

It begs the question of how good Davis really is. NO didn't have bad talent. Certainly as good as David Robins pre-Duncan. So why can't he consistently get his team into the playoffs and do special things? To be honest, I think the Supermax only hurts teams that could re-sign their superstar. Especially when the superstar can't carry his team to the playoffs.

maybe he is like Durant, Kawhi, Lebron, Curry or any superstar in the league, unable to win without another star on his team, Durant did not win anything on his own even having a top 3 roster in every season after the Westbrok draft, change the situations of Davis (pelicans) and Durant (Warriors) and today Davis would have two rings and Durant 0

[RD2191]

The timing on this is a little sketchy though, Lebron and Co. must be getting desperate tbh.

[TDomination]

The timing on this is a little sketchy though, Lebron and Co. must be getting desperate tbh.

this is definitely a push from AD/Lebron agency team to pressure the Lakers into making a move for him.

[RD2191]

I still don't see why the media is putting the Lakers as frontrunners if a trade goes down. They're players are overrated garbage, they're shit without Lebron. Why would NO trade for a bunch of overrated scrubs? It's ridiculous.

[Leetonidas]

I like Davis but I can't ignore the lack of success this guy has had as a #1. He's had some ok talent on those rosters so if he was a true generational talent how has this guy managed to only win 1 playoff series in like 7 or 8 years. Plus he's always injured and leads the league at in game trips to the locker room :lol

In reality he is a beta and just the kind of player lebron needs. His health is a big concern though