Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

[RandomGuy]

Why do you keep deleting the direct quotes I post from Mueller’s report?

Because it got repetitive, and a little pitiful.

[RandomGuy]

Nadler’s subpoena is asking Barr to ignore the law on the books.

Trump would face obstruction charges if he wasn't president, prosecutors say

Hundreds of former federal prosecutors – and counting – signed an open letter published on Monday expressing their belief that Donald Trump would have faced “multiple felony charges of obstruction of justice” if he were not president.

Multiple aspects of Trump’s conduct described in a report of the Trump-Russia investigation submitted in March by special counsel Robert Mueller were probably criminal, the prosecutors write. Mueller had declined to weigh whether to charge Trump, citing justice department guidelines prohibiting the indictment of a sitting president.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/06/trump-obstruction-of-justice-charges-prosecutors-letter


It's in the other part you didn't read. :rollin

[RandomGuy]

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials—hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government—began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November.

In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks’s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.

That fall, two federal agencies jointly announced that the Russian government “directed recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including US political organizations,” and, “[t]hese thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.” After the election, in late December 2016, the United States imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. By early 2017, several congressional committees were examining Russia’s interference in the election.

[RandomGuy]

Why do you keep deleting the direct quotes I post from Mueller’s report?

Also, because you left out other important quotes.


The investigation did not always yield admissible information or testimony, or a complete picture of the activities undertaken by subjects of the investigation. Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination and were not, in the Office’s judgment, appropriate candidates for grants of immunity. The Office limited its pursuit of other witnesses and information — such as information known to attorneys or individuals claiming to be members of the media — in light of internal Department of Justice policies. See, e.g., Justice Manual §§ 9-13.400, 13.410. Some of the information obtained via court process, moreover, was presumptively covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators by a filter (or “taint”) team. Even when individuals testified or agreed to be interviewed, they sometimes provided information that was false or incomplete, leading to some of the false-statements charges described above. And the Office faced practical limits on its ability to access relevant evidence as well — numerous witnesses and subjects lived abroad, and documents were held outside the United States.

Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign — deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.

Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.

Kind of important caveats, but not ones you would trouble yourself with, because you are attempting to be actively dishonest.

[Spurs Homer]

Also, because you left out other important quotes.


Kind of important caveats, but not ones you would trouble yourself with, because you are attempting to be actively dishonest.

trump was willing to talk to putin about mueller

trump was UNwilling to talk to mueller about putin

[RandomGuy]

Volume 2: Obstruction Inquiry

A good HEAT map at
https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/wsfsmDNZ9WmmvvWRTKfuq4VJ1Orc8oyCdiMk-pHiTk_C7jq4K4QhkVFyso-xxtG3JnPX_qRAU6fAlK3h97cXb1AYjGs-2paP6BCjt3s1aySbPDeG87CD8r50QM9I5IZC9oZRBeZ5

[RandomGuy]

Dig into it more here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html

[djohn2oo8]

Barr contempt vote heading to House floor

[RandomGuy]

Barr contempt vote heading to House floor

Can't wait for what happens to Mnuchin. That is actionably criminal.

[TSA]

Barr contempt vote heading to House floor

218450339601448961

:rollin

[Pavlov]

218450339601448961

:rollinSo it was bad when Congress held Holder in contempt?

[TSA]

Because it got repetitive, and a little pitiful.

You said you were going to provide plenty of collusion material to work through. You’ve provided dick so far, it’s pitiful.

[RandomGuy]

You said you were going to provide plenty of collusion material to work through. You’ve provided dick so far, it’s pitiful.


E. Efforts to fire Mueller

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

Sure. I will deviate a bit from pointing out the quotes you seem to be ignoring.

[RandomGuy]

You said you were going to provide plenty of collusion material to work through. You’ve provided dick so far, it’s pitiful.

So first, let's get what the investigations showed the Russians were doing.

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials—hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government—began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November.

In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks’s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.

That fall, two federal agencies jointly announced that the Russian government “directed recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including US political organizations,” and, “[t]hese thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.” After the election, in late December 2016, the United States imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. By early 2017, several congressional committees were examining Russia’s interference in the election.

Within the Executive Branch, these investigatory efforts ultimately led to the May 2017 appointment of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III. The order appointing the Special Counsel authorized him to investigate “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign.

As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign...the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts...

[RandomGuy]

You said you were going to provide plenty of collusion material to work through. You’ve provided dick so far, it’s pitiful.
So we have our standard here.


secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

Russian efforts were clearly designed to cheat and deceive others. The hacking attempts, social media campaigns and so forth.

So you have the first bit, pointed out to you repeatedly.


The presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (“Trump Campaign” or “Campaign") showed interest in WikiLeaks’s releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton. Beginning in June 2016, [redaction]■ forecast to senior Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton. WikiLeaks’s first release came in July 2016. Around the same time, candidate Trump announced that he hoped Russia would recover emails described as missing from a private server used by Clinton when she was Secretary of State (he later said that he was speaking sarcastically). [

redaction]■ WikiLeaks began releasing Podesta’s stolen emails on October 7, 2016, less than one hour after a U.S. media outlet released video considered damaging to candidate Trump. Section III of this Report details the Office’s investigation into the Russian hacking operations, as well as other efforts by Trump Campaign supporters to obtain Clinton-related emails.

Here you have Russia, working through its proxy to secretly inform the Campaign about the wikileaks dump. This is precisely why Trump all of a sudden doesn't know anything about wikileaks.

The secret communication between the campaign and the Russians to cheat the election through its hacking efforts.

[TSA]

So we have our standard here.



Russian efforts were clearly designed to cheat and deceive others. The hacking attempts, social media campaigns and so forth.

So you have the first bit, pointed out to you repeatedly.


Here you have Russia, working through its proxy to secretly inform the Campaign about the wikileaks dump. This is precisely why Trump all of a sudden doesn't know anything about wikileaks.

The secret communication between the campaign and the Russians to cheat the election through its hacking efforts.

:lol you shifted the goalposts and still failed

Wikileaks never secretly informed anyone on Trump's campaign about their upcoming dump. I've posted the Corsi Statement of Offense drafted by Mueller stating Corsi was lying when he told Stone he had a secret back channel to Wikileaks multiple times for you, do you just ignore it? Here it is again. Read the last sentence.

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/draft-jerome-corsi-statement-of-offense/3324/

There was no collusion with Russia. There was no collusion with Wikileaks. Mueller confirmed all of this you stupid fuck.

You are really embarrassing yourself now and should just log off for a few weeks and regroup. You've got the worst case of TDS this board has ever seen. You've completely lost it :lol

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/58382053_10214229538321572_2286642920557641728_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=1ef92cbd2a277e3791ed32be33c0f852&oe=5D748B9C

[Spurs Homer]

^ proof that cultists can be shown direct confirmed evidence of their cult hero’s crimes-


and they still refuse to believe “their lying eyes”

waste of time

tsa- just drink the poison please

[boutons_deux]

schiff, or get off the pot?

Schiff is staying on the pot

House intel panel chairman subpoenas Barr for Mueller probe documents

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress-schiff/house-intel-panel-chairman-subpoenas-barr-for-mueller-probe-documents-idUSKCN1SE2WL?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress-schiff/house-intel-panel-chairman-subpoenas-barr-for-mueller-probe-documents-idUSKCN1SE2WL?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)

[Spurs Homer]

6th week of the COVERRR UPPPP!


Crumbling slowly -

The White House, GOP, AG all involved in a direct cover up or at the very least - aiding and abetting this cover up.

Never thought I would see this in the USA - on this scale.


Historic.


But it always comes out - always.


The Truth - that is.

[boutons_deux]

6th week of the COVERRR UPPPP!


Crumbling slowly -

The White House, GOP, AG all involved in a direct cover up or at the very least - aiding and abetting this cover up.

Never thought I would see this in the USA - on this scale.


Historic.


But it always comes out - always.


The Truth - that is.

... is what happens when a party is purged of all moderates, has whored itself totally to the oligarchy as it priority.

customs, good faith, history, conventions, laws, protocols, rules, everything is secondary to Capitalistic oligarchy's preferences, which are totally incompatible with democracy.

[boutons_deux]

White House Is Afraid That Mueller Will Talk

Maddow said,

“Just as the White House and Attorney General William Barr tried to shut down the Judiciary Committee’s path to access Mueller’s full findings and evidence.

Tonight here opened up another path as the intelligence committee sends their subpoena as well. Right.

So all of these different fights, all of these different subpoenas, all of these different confrontations, they are the same thing.

It is trump versus Mueller’s investigation.

And the apex concern that the president and the Trump White House and his helpers in this fight must have,

the prospect that they must feel lurking under the bed ready to reach out and grab their ankles if they let a foot touch the floor, right,

the gravest boogieman worry they’ve got to have right now has to be that

Robert Mueller somehow, some way will be allowed to speak freely and for himself about his own investigation and

his own findings in his own terms.

Because this feels like we are going through this remarkable period in the news, right?

It has been a six-week festival of freak-out, trying to stop Mueller from speaking in his own terms about his own work.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/08/rachel-maddow-shows-how-mueller-is-the-terror-that-haunts-trump-in-the-night.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Mueller is 74. He could resign, and Trash couldn't stop him from talking

[Spurs Homer]

White House Is Afraid That Mueller Will Talk

Maddow said,

“Just as the White House and Attorney General William Barr tried to shut down the Judiciary Committee’s path to access Mueller’s full findings and evidence.

Tonight here opened up another path as the intelligence committee sends their subpoena as well. Right.

So all of these different fights, all of these different subpoenas, all of these different confrontations, they are the same thing.

It is trump versus Mueller’s investigation.

And the apex concern that the president and the Trump White House and his helpers in this fight must have,

the prospect that they must feel lurking under the bed ready to reach out and grab their ankles if they let a foot touch the floor, right,

the gravest boogieman worry they’ve got to have right now has to be that Robert Mueller somehow,

some way will be allowed to speak freely and for himself about his own investigation and

his own findings in his own terms.

Because this feels like we are going through this remarkable period in the news, right?

It has been a six-week festival of freak-out, trying to stop Mueller from speaking in his own terms about his own work.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/08/rachel-maddow-shows-how-mueller-is-the-terror-that-haunts-trump-in-the-night.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Mueller is 74. He could resign, and Trash couldn't stop him from talking





She has also been reporting - that they are trying to nail down some reporting that suggests that Mueller might not have ended the investigation on his own terms -

that Barr (or someone - maybe Rosenstein)

had something to do with the investigation ending. She reported that the day after Barr was confirmed - he met with Mueller and Barr made a comment saying "if you are not going to make a prosecutorial call - then you should not continue to investigate"


so...sooner or later...the dam will break.

[Winehole23]

7wS8V8vCUqw

[boutons_deux]

Remember when the House voted 420-0 to demand release of entire Mueller report? (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/8/1856363/-Remember-when-the-House-voted-420-0-to-demand-release-of-entire-Mueller-report)

Yup, on March 14 of this year! The House voted 420-0 to demand that the entire Mueller report be released.

From the New York Times story at the time: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/us/politics/mueller-report-public.html)


House Republicans joined Democrats on Thursday

to demand that the Justice Department publicly release the full findings of the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and the possible involvement of President Trump’s campaign.

Though the resolution is nonbinding,

Democrats who put it on the House floor are

trying to build public pressure on Attorney General William P. Barr before the investigation’s anticipated conclusion.

Far from standing in the way, Republicans joined Democrats en masse.

On the 420-to-0 vote, four Republicans voted present.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/8/1856363/-Remember-when-the-House-voted-420-0-to-demand-release-of-entire-Mueller-report?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/8/1856363/-Remember-when-the-House-voted-420-0-to-demand-release-of-entire-Mueller-report?detail=emaildkre)

[TSA]

She has also been reporting - that they are trying to nail down some reporting that suggests that Mueller might not have ended the investigation on his own terms -

that Barr (or someone - maybe Rosenstein)

had something to do with the investigation ending. She reported that the day after Barr was confirmed - he met with Mueller and Barr made a comment saying "if you are not going to make a prosecutorial call - then you should not continue to investigate"


so...sooner or later...the dam will break.

:lol Maddow’s Russia reporting

Brutal thread by Aaron Mate

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[TSA]

:lol you shifted the goalposts and still failed

Wikileaks never secretly informed anyone on Trump's campaign about their upcoming dump. I've posted the Corsi Statement of Offense drafted by Mueller stating Corsi was lying when he told Stone he had a secret back channel to Wikileaks multiple times for you, do you just ignore it? Here it is again. Read the last sentence.

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/draft-jerome-corsi-statement-of-offense/3324/

There was no collusion with Russia. There was no collusion with Wikileaks. Mueller confirmed all of this you stupid fuck.

You are really embarrassing yourself now and should just log off for a few weeks and regroup. You've got the worst case of TDS this board has ever seen. You've completely lost it :lol

Where’d RG go? :lol

[RandomGuy]

:lol you shifted the goalposts and still failed

Wikileaks never secretly informed anyone on Trump's campaign about their upcoming dump. I've posted the Corsi Statement of Offense drafted by Mueller stating Corsi was lying when he told Stone he had a secret back channel to Wikileaks multiple times for you, do you just ignore it? Here it is again. Read the last sentence.

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/draft-jerome-corsi-statement-of-offense/3324/

There was no collusion with Russia. There was no collusion with Wikileaks. Mueller confirmed all of this you stupid fuck.

You are really embarrassing yourself now and should just log off for a few weeks and regroup. You've got the worst case of TDS this board has ever seen. You've completely lost it :lol

You post a lot of things that don't really back up your statements, like Corsi's charging statement. S'all good.

I didn't shift the goal posts. (shrugs) we can go a few rounds where I, once again, nail you with hard to evade yes or no questions while you desperately try to change the subject, obfuscate and deflect, to get to the point where one can rationally reject that. Your track record speaks for itself.

There is a reason I simply asked you for a working definition.

[RandomGuy]

Where’d RG go? :lol

E. Efforts to fire Mueller

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

[boutons_deux]

Rosy says the Mueller report is only the tip of iceberg of Pootin's attack on America.

[TSA]

Mueller report pretty clearly shows what would commonly be considered to be collusion.

Tell you what, provide a working definition of the word that you accept, and we can walk through the report findings to see what it actually found.



E. Efforts to fire Mueller

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”


I didn't shift the goal posts.

:rollin

You’re such a disingenuous piece of shit.

[RandomGuy]

There was no collusion with Russia. There was no collusion with Wikileaks.


Secret or illegal cooperation, especially to cheat or deceive others.

So, the first element of your definition is that of secrecy.

Start with the evidence of contacts that were not public knowledge.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/26/us/politics/trump-contacts-russians-wikileaks.html

Earliest of which are contacts from various Russians in 2016, primarily with Cohen, including the first offer of assistance to Ivanka.

Each of the hundred or so dots provides intersections of contact between Trumpworld and various Russian functionaries, most of which were not publicly known or announced.

Seems like we have the first leg of collusion in that sense.

[TSA]

Rosy says the Mueller report is only the tip of iceberg of Pootin's attack on America.


You’ve spread more of Putin’s disinformation than the Russian troll farm.

[RandomGuy]

:rollin

You’re such a disingenuous piece of shit.

Connect the dots, genyus. Explain exactly how that shifts the goalposts as you seem to think here. Your claim, your burden of proof. It's almost as if you don't understand the term. :rollin

E. Efforts to fire Mueller

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

[TSA]

So, the first element of your definition is that of secrecy.

Start with the evidence of contacts that were not public knowledge.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/26/us/politics/trump-contacts-russians-wikileaks.html

Earliest of which are contacts from various Russians in 2016, primarily with Cohen, including the first offer of assistance to Ivanka.

Each of the hundred or so dots provides intersections of contact between Trumpworld and various Russian functionaries, most of which were not publicly known or announced.

Seems like we have the first leg of collusion in that sense.

Still waiting for illegal cooperation from Trump campaign that Mueller must have forgotten to indict anyone for.

[TSA]

Connect the dots, genyus. Explain exactly how that shifts the goalposts as you seem to think here. Your claim, your burden of proof. It's almost as if you don't understand the term. :rollin

E. Efforts to fire Mueller

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

It’s your claim dipshit.


Mueller report pretty clearly shows what would commonly be considered to be collusion.

Tell you what, provide a working definition of the word that you accept, and we can walk through the report findings to see what it actually found.

Walk me through the report findings and point out all of the illegal cooperation you claim Mueller found. I’ve already posted all of the illegal cooperation he didn’t find.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/26/us/politics/trump-contacts-russians-wikileaks.html

So, the next step after reviewing all of the secret contacts between the various Russian figures, and Trumpworld is determining which of those constituted cooperation to cheat or deceive.

Hacking a campaigns servers for dirt is generally considered cheating. As is asking for help from foreign governments.

Easiest for the latter is, as I have stated before, Manafort sharing data with Kilimnik.


Kilimnik is a Russian national who has lived in both Russia and Ukraine and was a longtime Manafort employee. Kilimnik had direct and close access to Yanukovych and his senior entourage, and he facilitated communications between Manafort and his clients, including Yanukovych and multiple Ukrainian oligarchs. Kilimnik also maintained a relationship with Deripaska’s deputy, Viktor Boyarkin, a Russian national who previously served in the defense attaché office of the Russian Embassy to the United States.
Manafort told the Office that he did not believe Kilimnik was working as a Russian “spy.” The FBI, however, assesses that Kilimnik has ties to Russian intelligence. Several pieces of the Office’s evidence — including witness interviews and emails obtained through court-authorized search warrants — support that assessment: [see vol 1, pg 133]



Manafort had worked with Kilimnik enough for his claim to be unaware of Kilimnik's ties to be less than credible, especially given Manaforts actions, and the nature of his multiple felonies.


. Paul Manafort’s Campaign-Period Contacts
Immediately upon joining the Campaign, Manafort directed Gates to prepare for his review separate memoranda addressed to Deripaska, Akhmetov, Serhiy Lyovochkin, and Boris Kolesnikov, the last three being Ukrainian oligarchs who were senior Opposition Bloc officials. The memoranda described Manafort’s appointment to the Trump Campaign and indicated his willingness to consult on Ukrainian politics in the future. On March 30, 2016, Gates emailed the memoranda and a press release announcing Manafort’s appointment to Kilimnik for translation and dissemination. Manafort later followed up with Kilimnik to ensure his messages had been delivered, emailing on April 11, 2016 to ask whether Kilimnik had shown “our friends” the media coverage of his new role. Kilimnik replied, “Absolutely. Every article.” Manafort further asked: “How do we use to get whole. Has Ovd [Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska] operation seen?” Kilimnik wrote back the same day, “Yes, I have been sending everything to Victor , who has been forwarding the coverage directly to OVD.”


Gates also reported that Manafort instructed him in April 2016 or early May 2016 to send Kilimnik Campaign internal polling data and other updates so that Kilimnik, in turn, could share it with Ukrainian oligarchs. Gates understood that the information would also be shared with Deripaska, ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Gates reported to the Office that he did not know why Manafort wanted him to send polling information, but Gates thought it was a way to showcase Manafort’s work, and Manafort wanted to open doors to jobs after the Trump Campaign ended. Gates said that Manafort’s instruction included sending internal polling data prepared for the Trump Campaign by pollster Tony Fabrizio. Fabrizio had worked with Manafort for years and was brought into the Campaign by Manafort. Gates stated that, in accordance with Manafort’s instruction, he periodically sent Kilimnik polling data via WhatsApp; Gates then deleted the communications on a daily basis. Gates further told the Office that, after Manafort left the Campaign in mid-August, Gates sent Kilimnik polling data less frequently and that the data he sent was more publicly available information and less internal data.

Polling data was directed to Deripaska.


i. Oleg [B]Deripaska Consulting Work
In approximately 2005, Manafort began working for Deripaska, a Russian oligarch who has a global empire involving aluminum and power companies and who is closely aligned with Vladimir Putin.

Same guy who just coincidentally opened a new aluminium mill in Mitch McConnel's home state.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/04/15/braidy-industries-kentucky-aluminum-mill-lands-russian-investors/3470777002/



Gates suspected that Kilimnik was a “spy,” a view that he shared with Manafort, Hawker, and Alexander van der Zwaan, an attorney who had worked with DMI on a report for the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Why would Manafort be so eager to share data with a "spy"?


The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials—hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government—began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November.

In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks’s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.

That fall, two federal agencies jointly announced that the Russian government “directed recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including US political organizations,” and, “[t]hese thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.” After the election, in late December 2016, the United States imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. By early 2017, several congressional committees were examining Russia’s interference in the election.


Was Manafort cognizant of this effort? Kind of hard not to be.


5. June 9, 2016 Meeting at Trump Tower
On June 9, 2016, senior representatives of the Trump Campaign met in Trump Tower with a Russian attorney expecting to receive derogatory information about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government. The meeting was proposed to Donald Trump Jr. in an email from Robert Goldstone, at the request of his then-client Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian real-estate developer Aras Agalarov. Goldstone relayed to Trump Jr. that the “Crown prosecutor of Russia... offered to provide the Trump Campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia” as part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Trump Jr. immediately responded that “if it’s what you say I love it,” and arranged the meeting through a series of emails and telephone calls.

Trump Jr. invited campaign chairman Paul Manafort and senior advisor Jared Kushner to attend the meeting, and both attended. Members of the Campaign discussed the meeting before it occurred, and Michael Cohen recalled that Trump Jr. may have told candidate Trump about an upcoming meeting to receive adverse information about Clinton, without linking the meeting to Russia. According to written answers submitted by President Trump, he has no recollection of learning of the meeting at the time, and the Office found no documentary evidence showing that he was made aware of the meeting — or its Russian connection — before it occurred.

[RandomGuy]

It’s your claim dipshit.



Walk me through the report findings and point out all of the illegal cooperation you claim Mueller found. I’ve already posted all of the illegal cooperation he didn’t find.

Secret or illegal.

Your definition.

It doesn't have to be explicitly illegal. Further, given the limits on Muellers investigation, we have to allow, if we are seeking a fairly true picture, that Trump is in fact dirty, but Mueller just couldn't get enough evidence of explicitly criminal activity.

Your definition fully has within it, the possibility that Trumpworld colluded, but without violating statute. Further, Mueller not finding enough evidence to bring charges, especially given the limitations of the investigation, such as Trumpworld lying and covering up, does not allow one to conclusively rule out such collusion.

[RandomGuy]

col·lu·sion
/kəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
noun: collusion

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.


It’s your claim dipshit.

Walk me through the report findings and point out all of the illegal cooperation you claim Mueller found. I’ve already posted all of the illegal cooperation he didn’t find.

Nah. Mueller said that he couldn't prove illegality for a lot of it.

The collusion that we can prove happened was simply secret and unethical, I don't think we could prove illegality without having more evidence, such as testimony from Russian intelligence services, which we are almost certain not to get.

Unless you are trying to move the goal posts now and ignore the fact that I can prove collusion without having to prove illegality. :rollin

[RandomGuy]

It’s your claim dipshit.
.

One claim I will make:

Trump committed multiple felony obstruction of justice violations. You want the quotes for that, dipshit?

[boutons_deux]

interacting with TSA is about the same level as with ducks. Blindly sucking off Trash and his mafiya.

[koriwhat]

interacting with TSA is about the same level as with ducks. Blindly sucking off Trash and his mafiya.

you're one to talk mr. 10000000000000 articles posted from shitlib outlets. loon!

[TSA]

Secret or illegal.

Your definition.

It doesn't have to be explicitly illegal. Further, given the limits on Muellers investigation, we have to allow, if we are seeking a fairly true picture, that Trump is in fact dirty, but Mueller just couldn't get enough evidence of explicitly criminal activity.

Your definition fully has within it, the possibility that Trumpworld colluded, but without violating statute. Further, Mueller not finding enough evidence to bring charges, especially given the limitations of the investigation, such as Trumpworld lying and covering up, does not allow one to conclusively rule out such collusion.

:lmao the limitations of the investigation

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

[RandomGuy]

:lmao the limitations of the investigation

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

The report is very specific about it limitations. They obviate what you are trying to do here.

What are the limitations, TSA? What are you hiding?

[RandomGuy]

E. Efforts to fire Mueller

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”
It’s your claim dipshit.


The claim that Trump committed multiple felonies, i.e. obstruction of justice, is indeed my claim, as well as Mueller's. That is why Trump is so desperate to keep him from testifying to Congress.

Over 650 former prosecutors say Trump would be indicted if he weren't president (https://www.axios.com/trump-obstruction-of-justice-former-prosecutors-b5599d27-681f-4944-b04c-9743224f55e2.html)

I'm not alone in my assessment.

[TSA]

The claim that Trump committed multiple felonies, i.e. obstruction of justice, is indeed my claim, as well as Mueller's. That is why Trump is so desperate to keep him from testifying to Congress.

Over 650 former prosecutors say Trump would be indicted if he weren't president (https://www.axios.com/trump-obstruction-of-justice-former-prosecutors-b5599d27-681f-4944-b04c-9743224f55e2.html)

I'm not alone in my assessment.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1lvGB7iKVcyaMHc768rmgeNP6zbCB_1X0-rwvv5udWOw/viewform?edit_requested=true

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1lvGB7iKVcyaMHc768rmgeNP6zbCB_1X0-rwvv5udWOw/viewform?edit_requested=true

:lmao

Can't dispute the facts... go for some sort of source attack. Why do you keep ignoring these facts, TSA?


FIRST FELONY
E. Efforts to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

SECOND FELONY
F. Efforts to curtail Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 97): Trump’s effort to force Sessions to confine the investigation to only investigating future election interference “would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.” “Taken together, the President’s directives indicate that Sessions was being instructed to tell the Special Counsel to end the existing investigation into the President and his campaign[.]”

Nexus (p. 97): At the relevant point, “the existence of a grand jury investigation supervised by the Special Counsel was public knowledge.”

Intent (p. 97): “Substantial evidence” indicates that Trump’s efforts were “intended to prevent further investigative structiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

THIRD FELONY
I. Order to McGahn to deny Trump’s order to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 118): This effort “would qualify as an obstructive act if it had the natural tendency to constrain McGahn from testifying truthfully or to undermine his credibility as a potential witness[.]” There is “some evidence” that Trump genuinely believed press reports that he had ordered McGahn to fire Mueller were wrong. However, “[o]ther evidence cuts against that understanding of the president’s conduct”—and the special counsel lists a great deal more evidence on this latter point.

Nexus (p. 119): At this point “the Special Counsel’s use of a grand jury had been further confirmed by the return of several indictments.” Mueller’s office had indicated to Trump’s lawyers that it was investigating obstruction, and Trump knew that McGahn had already been interviewed by Mueller on the topic. “That evidence indicates the President’s awareness” that his efforts to fire Mueller were relevant to official proceedings. Trump “likely contemplated the ongoing investigation and any proceedings arising from it” in directing McGahn to create a false record of the earlier interaction.

Intent (p. 120): “Substantial evidence indicates that … the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn’s account in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny” of Trump.

FOURTH FELONY
J. Conduct toward... Manafort


Obstructive act (p. 131): “The President’s actions toward witnesses … would qualify as obstructive if they had the natural tendency to prevent particular witnesses from testifying truthfully, or otherwise would have the probable effect of influencing, delaying, or preventing their testimony to law enforcement.” ...Regarding Manafort, “there is evidence that the President’s actions had the potential” to influence Manafort’s thinking on cooperation, and his public statements “had the potential to influence the trial jury.”

Nexus (p. 132): Trump’s actions toward [Manafort and others] “appear to have been connected to pending or anticipated official proceedings involving each individual.”

Intent (p. 132): “[e]vidence … indicates that the President intended to encourage Manafort not to cooperate with the government,” though “there are alternative explanations” for Trump’s comments during the Manafort trial.

[RandomGuy]

..

[boutons_deux]

McMaster finally spills the beans: Trump administration infighting reveals some advisors’ blatant disregard for Constitution

President Donald Trump is employing White House advisors who pose a “danger” to America’s Constitution

has categories for his former colleagues,

One category, in which McMaster placed himself, focused on giving unvarnished options to the president.

A second group are those who “are not there to give the president options — they’re there to try to manipulate the situation based on their own agenda, not the president’s agenda.”

A third group are those who “cast themselves in the role of saving the country, even the world, from the president.”

“I think those latter two categories of people are actually a danger to the Constitution of the United States,” McMaster warned.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/mcmaster-finally-spills-the-beans-trump-administration-infighting-reveals-some-advisors-blatant-disregard-for-constitution/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/mcmaster-finally-spills-the-beans-trump-administration-infighting-reveals-some-advisors-blatant-disregard-for-constitution/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/08/mcmaster-white-house-danger-to-the-constitution-1418268 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/08/mcmaster-white-house-danger-to-the-constitution-1418268)

[boutons_deux]

Judge in Trump’s Challenge of Congressional Subpoena Plans to Move Quickly

President Donald Trump‘s attempt to stop finance firm Mazars USA from complying with a congressional subpoena is going to receive extra special attention.

Mehta entered an order Thursday “notifying the parties that the court intends to advance Plaintiffs’ Motion for Preliminary Injunction to trial on the merits” and

consolidate issues into a hearing because the court “can discern no benefit from an additional round of legal arguments.”

The House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed Mazars USA for Trump’s financial documents, including “Statements of Financial Condition.”

During a recent congressional hearing, former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen stated that Trump would use these statements to exaggerate the value of his assets.

He would allegedly due so by inflating the number of residential units in properties and the number of floors in towers he owned.

Democrats are looking into this to see if any of these alleged misrepresentations were criminal in nature.

Trump had previously put Mazars USA “on notice,”

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/big-judge-in-trumps-challenge-of-subpoena-over-financial-records-plans-to-move-quickly/ (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/big-judge-in-trumps-challenge-of-subpoena-over-financial-records-plans-to-move-quickly/)

[TSA]

Can't dispute the facts... go for some sort of source attack. Why do you keep ignoring these facts, TSA?


FIRST FELONY
E. Efforts to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

SECOND FELONY
F. Efforts to curtail Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 97): Trump’s effort to force Sessions to confine the investigation to only investigating future election interference “would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.” “Taken together, the President’s directives indicate that Sessions was being instructed to tell the Special Counsel to end the existing investigation into the President and his campaign[.]”

Nexus (p. 97): At the relevant point, “the existence of a grand jury investigation supervised by the Special Counsel was public knowledge.”

Intent (p. 97): “Substantial evidence” indicates that Trump’s efforts were “intended to prevent further investigative structiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

THIRD FELONY
I. Order to McGahn to deny Trump’s order to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 118): This effort “would qualify as an obstructive act if it had the natural tendency to constrain McGahn from testifying truthfully or to undermine his credibility as a potential witness[.]” There is “some evidence” that Trump genuinely believed press reports that he had ordered McGahn to fire Mueller were wrong. However, “[o]ther evidence cuts against that understanding of the president’s conduct”—and the special counsel lists a great deal more evidence on this latter point.

Nexus (p. 119): At this point “the Special Counsel’s use of a grand jury had been further confirmed by the return of several indictments.” Mueller’s office had indicated to Trump’s lawyers that it was investigating obstruction, and Trump knew that McGahn had already been interviewed by Mueller on the topic. “That evidence indicates the President’s awareness” that his efforts to fire Mueller were relevant to official proceedings. Trump “likely contemplated the ongoing investigation and any proceedings arising from it” in directing McGahn to create a false record of the earlier interaction.

Intent (p. 120): “Substantial evidence indicates that … the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn’s account in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny” of Trump.

FOURTH FELONY
J. Conduct toward... Manafort


Obstructive act (p. 131): “The President’s actions toward witnesses … would qualify as obstructive if they had the natural tendency to prevent particular witnesses from testifying truthfully, or otherwise would have the probable effect of influencing, delaying, or preventing their testimony to law enforcement.” ...Regarding Manafort, “there is evidence that the President’s actions had the potential” to influence Manafort’s thinking on cooperation, and his public statements “had the potential to influence the trial jury.”

Nexus (p. 132): Trump’s actions toward [Manafort and others] “appear to have been connected to pending or anticipated official proceedings involving each individual.”

Intent (p. 132): “[e]vidence … indicates that the President intended to encourage Manafort not to cooperate with the government,” though “there are alternative explanations” for Trump’s comments during the Manafort trial.

Now highlight all the qualifiers :lol

[boutons_deux]

Nancy sounding strong, but impeachment?

Pelosi Backs Nadler On ‘Constitutional Crisis’: They Won’t ‘Honor Their Oath Of Office’

Pelosi blasted Trump with the truth that he is failing to even pretend to protect our elections.

House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Thursday blasted the Trump administration for not even pretending to want to protect our elections.

Pelosi added that she agrees with House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler that the country was in a constitutional crisis, and

repeated her reference to Trump ‘almost self-impeaching’ (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/08/house-speaker-pelosi-trump-making-impeachment-case-by-ignoring-subpoenas.html) by refusing to abide by the Constitution and laws.

It appears as if Pelosi is making the case for the public to impeach Trump, but

Pelosi knows better than most that with Republicans in the Senate,

Trump will not be kicked out of office.

He will, however, use the impeachment process to further portray himself as a victim in 2020.

Republicans are spitting on other Republicans who bring forth facts that this president invited Russia to attack our country.

Of course Donald Trump should be impeached. And of course the rule of law necessitates that he be impeached.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/09/nancy-pelosi-blasts-trump-for-not-even-pretending-to-protect-elections.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

Trump Knows It’s Game Over When Bob Mueller Presents His Evidence On Live TV

Donald Trump knows it’s game over if the special counsel presents his evidence on live television.

Mueller will turn “dry words from a report” into an explosive made-for-television presentation.

“If Bob Mueller comes up and testifies, if Don McGahn comes up and testifies, suddenly those dry words in a report that most of the American public don’t read come alive on TV,

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/09/trump-knows-its-game-over-when-bob-mueller-presents-his-evidence-on-live-tv.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/09/trump-knows-its-game-over-when-bob-mueller-presents-his-evidence-on-live-tv.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[boutons_deux]

well, duh, but at least they're professionals

‘Reckless, impulsive, self-destructive’:

Psychiatrists warn Mueller report gives more evidence Trump is mentally unfit

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/candidate-donald-trump.jpg
The Best Brain, The Best Words, Ever :lol

Robert Mueller’s report (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/legal-expert-lays-out-the-serious-error-barr-made-about-the-mueller-report/) on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election shows more evidence that President Donald Trump is

mentally unfit to hold office (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/from-total-exoneration-to-impeach-now-the-mueller-report-and-dueling-fact-perceptions/).

Mueller’s report provides a disturbing new window into the president’s behavior, which is frequently marked by

impulsive emotional meltdowns.

“The pattern that emerges of the president is one of

rash, short-sighted decision-making, without consideration of consequences,”

“Reckless, impulsive moves that are self-destructive,

despite the intention of self-protection, are

characteristic of dangerous impairment.

They impede Trump’s capacity to prioritize national security.”

illustrate these behaviors, including

his efforts to dangle pardons to potential witnesses and

his effort to get Mueller fired as special counsel.

They say that his

ordering former White House counsel Don McGahn to get rid of Mueller should be seen

as especially alarming given how inherently self-destructive it was.

(https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/reckless-impulsive-self-destructive-psychiatrists-warn-mueller-report-gives-more-evidence-trump-is-mentally-unfit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/reckless-impulsive-self-destructive-psychiatrists-warn-mueller-report-gives-more-evidence-trump-is-mentally-unfit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[RandomGuy]

Now highlight all the qualifiers :lol

No one is stopping you.

LOL TSA uses Mueller report to show no collusion, but it isn't good enough for him to show no felonies.

Unforunately for you the qualifiers here are both appropriate, and don't water it down so much as to make it misleading.

Can't dispute the facts... go for some sort of source attack. Why do you keep ignoring these facts, TSA?


FIRST FELONY
E. Efforts to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

SECOND FELONY
F. Efforts to curtail Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 97): Trump’s effort to force Sessions to confine the investigation to only investigating future election interference “would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.” “Taken together, the President’s directives indicate that Sessions was being instructed to tell the Special Counsel to end the existing investigation into the President and his campaign[.]”

Nexus (p. 97): At the relevant point, “the existence of a grand jury investigation supervised by the Special Counsel was public knowledge.”

Intent (p. 97): “Substantial evidence” indicates that Trump’s efforts were “intended to prevent further investigative structiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

THIRD FELONY
I. Order to McGahn to deny Trump’s order to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 118): This effort “would qualify as an obstructive act if it had the natural tendency to constrain McGahn from testifying truthfully or to undermine his credibility as a potential witness[.]” There is “some evidence” that Trump genuinely believed press reports that he had ordered McGahn to fire Mueller were wrong. However, “[o]ther evidence cuts against that understanding of the president’s conduct”—and the special counsel lists a great deal more evidence on this latter point.

Nexus (p. 119): At this point “the Special Counsel’s use of a grand jury had been further confirmed by the return of several indictments.” Mueller’s office had indicated to Trump’s lawyers that it was investigating obstruction, and Trump knew that McGahn had already been interviewed by Mueller on the topic. “That evidence indicates the President’s awareness” that his efforts to fire Mueller were relevant to official proceedings. Trump “likely contemplated the ongoing investigation and any proceedings arising from it” in directing McGahn to create a false record of the earlier interaction.

Intent (p. 120): “Substantial evidence indicates that … the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn’s account in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny” of Trump.

FOURTH FELONY
J. Conduct toward... Manafort


Obstructive act (p. 131): “The President’s actions toward witnesses … would qualify as obstructive if they had the natural tendency to prevent particular witnesses from testifying truthfully, or otherwise would have the probable effect of influencing, delaying, or preventing their testimony to law enforcement.” ...Regarding Manafort, “there is evidence that the President’s actions had the potential” to influence Manafort’s thinking on cooperation, and his public statements “had the potential to influence the trial jury.”

Nexus (p. 132): Trump’s actions toward [Manafort and others] “appear to have been connected to pending or anticipated official proceedings involving each individual.”

Intent (p. 132): “[e]vidence … indicates that the President intended to encourage Manafort not to cooperate with the government,” though “there are alternative explanations” for Trump’s comments during the Manafort trial.

[boutons_deux]

Trump and his allies are blocking more than 20 separate Democratic probes in an all-out war with Congress

President Trump and his allies are working to block more than 20 separate investigations by Democrats into

his actions as president,

his personal finances and

his administration’s policies ...

amounting to what many experts call the most expansive White House obstruction effort in decades.

has

shifted from partial resistance to all-out war

as he faces mounting inquiries from the Democratic-controlled House —

a strategy that many legal and congressional experts fear could undermine the institutional power of Congress for years to come.

All told, House Democrats say the Trump administration has

failed to respond to or comply with at least 79 requests for documents or other information.

The president is blocking aides from testifying,

refusing entire document requests from some committees,

filing lawsuits against corporations to bar them from responding to subpoenas and

asserting executive privilege to keep information about the special counsel’s Russia investigation from public view.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-his-allies-are-blocking-more-than-20-separate-democratic-probes-in-an-all-out-war-with-congress/2019/05/11/4d972274-733a-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html?utm_term=.328609a21d1b&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-his-allies-are-blocking-more-than-20-separate-democratic-probes-in-an-all-out-war-with-congress/2019/05/11/4d972274-733a-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html?utm_term=.328609a21d1b&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[DMC]

The meltdown continues.

[boutons_deux]

Mueller reportedly about to leave DOJ in "coming days"--and derail efforts to derail his testimony (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1856073/-Mueller-reportedly-about-to-leave-DOJ-in-coming-days-and-derail-efforts-to-derail-his-testimony)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1856073/-Mueller-reportedly-about-to-leave-DOJ-in-coming-days-and-derail-efforts-to-derail-his-testimony?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1856073/-Mueller-reportedly-about-to-leave-DOJ-in-coming-days-and-derail-efforts-to-derail-his-testimony?detail=emaildkre)

[Spurs Homer]

The criminal cover up continues.


fify

[boutons_deux]

Mueller reportedly about to leave DOJ in "coming days"--and derail efforts to derail his testimony (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1856073/-Mueller-reportedly-about-to-leave-DOJ-in-coming-days-and-derail-efforts-to-derail-his-testimony)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1856073/-Mueller-reportedly-about-to-leave-DOJ-in-coming-days-and-derail-efforts-to-derail-his-testimony?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/7/1856073/-Mueller-reportedly-about-to-leave-DOJ-in-coming-days-and-derail-efforts-to-derail-his-testimony?detail=emaildkre)



Now, if McGahn would quit, then we'd have plenty of testimony to add to the impeachment articles.

[Spurs Homer]

Now, if McGahn would quit, then we'd have plenty of testimony to add to the impeachment articles.

mcgahn is a private citizen-
but he is a piece of shit partisan and is obeying the criminal's orders -

[CosmicCowboy]

Please impeach him. Please do it now.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs 20 years ago, going after Clinton for even the appearance of obstruction

https://www.facebook.com/washingtondcpress/videos/1269547683222878/

[boutons_deux]

Trump Argument Comes Into View

We’ll have more on this shortly.

But I want to point out the common argument the President’s personal lawyers (yesterday) and the White House Counsel’s office (in today’s letter) are now making.

They argue that the Congress has no legitimate oversight role with respect to the executive branch at all,

a stunning argument that would clip the wings of Congress permanently.

They are arguing first

that the only legitimate document requests or subpoenas are those tied specifically and narrowly to shaping upcoming legislation.

That’s an aspect of oversight but only a smallish part of it.

Secondly,

anything that is tied to wrongdoing or malfeasance or possibly crimes is “law enforcement”,

which is the exclusive purview of the executive branch.

In other words, from both sides of the equation,

they argue that Congress has no oversight role at all.

Now the argument is out in the open.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-argument-comes-into-view?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29 (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-argument-comes-into-view?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29)

[boutons_deux]

Bill Barr goes scapegoat-hunting to boost Donald Trump's conspiracy theories

Attorney general is deploying Department of Justice resources to prop up Trump's baseless, paranoid theories

after House Democrats failed to force Attorney General William Barr to face any serious consequences for ignoring the rule of law, Barr has only been emboldened to go further.

has opened yet another investigation (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/us/politics/russia-investigation-justice-department-review.html) of the FBI, specifically targeting agents who took part in the investigation of the Russian criminal conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election, and of potential ties between the Trump campaign and that conspiracy.

This cannot be stated strenuously enough: There is no reason beyond sheer propaganda for the Department of Justice to do such a thing.

The (Mueller) investigation was entirely legal and based on the evident fact that

multiple campaign officials — most of whom have now pled guilty or been convicted — were engaged in shady behavior that caused informants to blow the whistle.

To put it more simply,

using government officials to create lies to smear your political opponents is fascist behavior.

If Trump gets away with it, that will put the country one step further down a dark and scary road.

https://www.salon.com/2019/05/14/bill-barr-goes-scapegoat-hunting-to-boost-donald-trumps-conspiracy-theories/ (https://www.salon.com/2019/05/14/bill-barr-goes-scapegoat-hunting-to-boost-donald-trumps-conspiracy-theories/)

[boutons_deux]

Republicans roll out a dangerous new gambit — and it could have a major impact on 2020

Barr’s previous tenure as attorney general, under George H.W. Bush, he tasked the U.S. attorney in Arkansas with digging up Whitewater dirt on then-candidate Bill Clinton during the 1992 presidential campaign.

As the legendary Gene Lyons noted in the Arkansas Times (https://arktimes.com/columns/gene-lyons/2016/07/14/cant-be-proven) back in 2016, that U.S. attorney knew that

the story was bunk as well as inappropriate and refused to proceed,

he’d set the wheels in motion for a series of pseudo-investigations that continued through all eight years of the Clinton administration.

And what that U.S. attorney said was actually the point of the whole exercise.

Republicans knew it didn’t matter if the investigations of the president were based upon serious suspicion of illegal activity.

It was the narrative that mattered.

They could the same model to leverage and pump up trivial or mundane events into major stories.

Republicans learned this was a useful way to keep their base engaged, particularly when the driver of right-wing politics during the 1990s, talk radio, was joined by the new powerhouse, Fox News.

Now that Republicans have a congenial attorney general, they are using the power of the Department of Justice against itself.

In addition to the two ongoing probes into the origins of the Russia case —

along with the Mueller report, which goes into these questions in great depth —

Barr has announced yet another “investigation into the investigation,” as well as some kind of cross-agency inquiry with the CIA and the director of national intelligence.

The point is to mainstream the counter-narrative.

there can be no doubt about the chilling effect these investigations will have on FBI and intelligence officials throughout the government.

They will think hard before they take another close look at Donald Trump’s crimes going forward.

If they can engage the mainstream media and throw everything they have at it,

they may succeed at confusing the public and convincing them that all this smoke they’re blowing means there must be a fire.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/republicans-roll-out-a-dangerous-new-gambit-and-it-could-have-a-major-impact-on-2020/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/republicans-roll-out-a-dangerous-new-gambit-and-it-could-have-a-major-impact-on-2020/)

[Spurs Homer]

Truth bomb ^

[boutons_deux]

Truth bomb ^

Bill, Hillary, Obama, ALL have been relentlessly victims of Repug sliming, character assassination. The strategy goes back to Barr under GW Bush

[DarrinS]

1128726913948749825


:lmao

[koriwhat]

1128726913948749825


:lmao

Hmm... get her Barr!

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaITk42XcAAVEA6.jpg

[Spurminator]

Naturally the FOX News guy on Darrin's feed leaves out the other part of the exchange, which makes it clear that it's a (confusingly) friendly exchange between two people instead of a one line, drop-the-mic zinger from Barr.

1128729515365216257

Imagine thinking any of this is funny.

[DarrinS]

Naturally the FOX News guy on Darrin's feed leaves out the other part of the exchange, which makes it clear that it's a (confusingly) friendly exchange between two people instead of a one line, drop-the-mic zinger from Barr.

1128729515365216257

Imagine thinking any of this is funny.


Evidently, you don't have a sense of humor.

[Spurminator]

Evidently, you don't have a sense of humor.

I have a great sense of humor. Two of the most powerful people in the country yukking it up behind the scenes in the midst of the divisive political drama that they're pushing on the masses in public isn't really on the funny spectrum for me.

[Winehole23]

Evidently, you don't have a sense of humor.Evidently your sense of checks and balances blows with the political winds -- POTUS flauting Congressional oversight is now a joking matter. A few years ago you'd have had another paroxysm -- you had many -- about the rule of law and the incipient tyranny of black POTUS.

[TSA]

Naturally the FOX News guy on Darrin's feed leaves out the other part of the exchange, which makes it clear that it's a (confusingly) friendly exchange between two people instead of a one line, drop-the-mic zinger from Barr.

1128729515365216257

Imagine thinking any of this is funny.

You’re right it isn’t funny, it’s fucking hilarious. Barr and Pelosi both know the subpoena/contempt vote is a joke.

1128761268192600067

[boutons_deux]

Paul Rosenzweig, Former Starr Prosecutor, Shreds Trump’s Obstruction

Trump’s attempts to stonewall Congress (https://shareblue.com/trump-obstruct-20-investigations-crimes-failures/) and block the legislative branch from conducting oversight are

blatant acts of obstruction of justice and are in violation of the Constitution —

according to conservative Republican lawyer Paul Rosenzweig,

who served as a senior counsel on the team led by Kenneth Starr that investigated former President Bill Clinton back in the 1990s.

Trump has been doing so by

banning current and former administration officials from complying with congressional subpoenas, and

asserting executive privilege when no executive privilege is warranted.

“Adherence to the rule of law means that rules have to be applied even-handedly, regardless of whether a political party or other interest is immediately benefited,”

“It means not invoking privileges to conceal wrongdoing; and

it means not invoking them to frustrate legitimate congressional inquiry.”

he believes Trump’s attempts to assert executive privilege, such as

trying to (https://www.nationalmemo.com/paul-rosenzweig-former-starr-prosecutor-shreds-trumps-obstruction/)retroactively (https://shareblue.com/trump-retroactively-hides-mueller-report-in-unprecedented-obstruction/) declare special counsel Robert Mueller’s report to be secret, are unconstitutional.

his actions appear unable to distinguish between the public interests that undergird the privilege and his own personal and political interests.”

https://www.nationalmemo.com/paul-rosenzweig-former-starr-prosecutor-shreds-trumps-obstruction/

[RandomGuy]

The meltdown continues.


FIRST FELONY
E. Efforts to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

SECOND FELONY
F. Efforts to curtail Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 97): Trump’s effort to force Sessions to confine the investigation to only investigating future election interference “would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.” “Taken together, the President’s directives indicate that Sessions was being instructed to tell the Special Counsel to end the existing investigation into the President and his campaign[.]”

Nexus (p. 97): At the relevant point, “the existence of a grand jury investigation supervised by the Special Counsel was public knowledge.”

Intent (p. 97): “Substantial evidence” indicates that Trump’s efforts were “intended to prevent further investigative structiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

THIRD FELONY
I. Order to McGahn to deny Trump’s order to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 118): This effort “would qualify as an obstructive act if it had the natural tendency to constrain McGahn from testifying truthfully or to undermine his credibility as a potential witness[.]” There is “some evidence” that Trump genuinely believed press reports that he had ordered McGahn to fire Mueller were wrong. However, “[o]ther evidence cuts against that understanding of the president’s conduct”—and the special counsel lists a great deal more evidence on this latter point.

Nexus (p. 119): At this point “the Special Counsel’s use of a grand jury had been further confirmed by the return of several indictments.” Mueller’s office had indicated to Trump’s lawyers that it was investigating obstruction, and Trump knew that McGahn had already been interviewed by Mueller on the topic. “That evidence indicates the President’s awareness” that his efforts to fire Mueller were relevant to official proceedings. Trump “likely contemplated the ongoing investigation and any proceedings arising from it” in directing McGahn to create a false record of the earlier interaction.

Intent (p. 120): “Substantial evidence indicates that … the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn’s account in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny” of Trump.

FOURTH FELONY
J. Conduct toward... Manafort


Obstructive act (p. 131): “The President’s actions toward witnesses … would qualify as obstructive if they had the natural tendency to prevent particular witnesses from testifying truthfully, or otherwise would have the probable effect of influencing, delaying, or preventing their testimony to law enforcement.” ...Regarding Manafort, “there is evidence that the President’s actions had the potential” to influence Manafort’s thinking on cooperation, and his public statements “had the potential to influence the trial jury.”

Nexus (p. 132): Trump’s actions toward [Manafort and others] “appear to have been connected to pending or anticipated official proceedings involving each individual.”

Intent (p. 132): “[e]vidence … indicates that the President intended to encourage Manafort not to cooperate with the government,” though “there are alternative explanations” for Trump’s comments during the Manafort trial.

[RandomGuy]

Please impeach him. Please do it now.


Felonies are OK with you, as long as Republicans do it. Understood.


FIRST FELONY
E. Efforts to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]”

SECOND FELONY
F. Efforts to curtail Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 97): Trump’s effort to force Sessions to confine the investigation to only investigating future election interference “would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.” “Taken together, the President’s directives indicate that Sessions was being instructed to tell the Special Counsel to end the existing investigation into the President and his campaign[.]”

Nexus (p. 97): At the relevant point, “the existence of a grand jury investigation supervised by the Special Counsel was public knowledge.”

Intent (p. 97): “Substantial evidence” indicates that Trump’s efforts were “intended to prevent further investigative structiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

THIRD FELONY
I. Order to McGahn to deny Trump’s order to fire Mueller


Obstructive act (p. 118): This effort “would qualify as an obstructive act if it had the natural tendency to constrain McGahn from testifying truthfully or to undermine his credibility as a potential witness[.]” There is “some evidence” that Trump genuinely believed press reports that he had ordered McGahn to fire Mueller were wrong. However, “[o]ther evidence cuts against that understanding of the president’s conduct”—and the special counsel lists a great deal more evidence on this latter point.

Nexus (p. 119): At this point “the Special Counsel’s use of a grand jury had been further confirmed by the return of several indictments.” Mueller’s office had indicated to Trump’s lawyers that it was investigating obstruction, and Trump knew that McGahn had already been interviewed by Mueller on the topic. “That evidence indicates the President’s awareness” that his efforts to fire Mueller were relevant to official proceedings. Trump “likely contemplated the ongoing investigation and any proceedings arising from it” in directing McGahn to create a false record of the earlier interaction.

Intent (p. 120): “Substantial evidence indicates that … the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn’s account in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny” of Trump.

FOURTH FELONY
J. Conduct toward... Manafort


Obstructive act (p. 131): “The President’s actions toward witnesses … would qualify as obstructive if they had the natural tendency to prevent particular witnesses from testifying truthfully, or otherwise would have the probable effect of influencing, delaying, or preventing their testimony to law enforcement.” ...Regarding Manafort, “there is evidence that the President’s actions had the potential” to influence Manafort’s thinking on cooperation, and his public statements “had the potential to influence the trial jury.”

Nexus (p. 132): Trump’s actions toward [Manafort and others] “appear to have been connected to pending or anticipated official proceedings involving each individual.”

Intent (p. 132): “[e]vidence … indicates that the President intended to encourage Manafort not to cooperate with the government,” though “there are alternative explanations” for Trump’s comments during the Manafort trial.

[RandomGuy]

1128726913948749825


:lmao

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job (as president) in this constitutional republic if this body determines your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,”

“Because impeachment is not about punishment,” he said. “Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

[LkrFan]

1129053795206467585

Now all they have to do is get Mueller on the stand to cross examine him.

[boutons_deux]

CNN Contributor Insists It’s ‘Natural’ for Trump to Think He’s Above the Law: He ‘Believes in Genetic Superiority’

“Does the president believe he’s above the law?”

D’Antonio replied, “He was raised to think that.”

The Trump biographer continued:

“So the president’s father would repeat to him when he was growing up

you’re a killer,

you’re a king.

So this idea of some people being elevated,

some people being above all others,

in this case above the law,

I don’t think is foreign to him.”

“I think it feels natural.

He’s someone who believes in genetic superiority.

He told me

I don’t respect most people because they’re not worthy of respect.

Why would he respect the separation of powers, checks and balances,

any system that is inconvenient for him.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-contributor-insists-its-natural-for-trump-to-think-hes-above-the-law-he-believes-in-genetic-superiority/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-contributor-insists-its-natural-for-trump-to-think-hes-above-the-law-he-believes-in-genetic-superiority/)

[RandomGuy]

Now highlight all the qualifiers :lol

I'll do that when you put in the paragraphs about the limitations of the investigation.

What are you trying to hide?

[koriwhat]

1129053795206467585

Now all they have to do is get Mueller on the stand to cross examine him.

funny how you cheer these losers on but if you watched even one minute of their dribble on the hill you'd probably rip up your honorary democrat voting card and resign from the party altogether. they're a bunch of fucking retards on the hill!

[boutons_deux]

I No Longer Believe House Democrats Will Uphold Their Constitutional Duty

And, as a result, the president*'s chances of reelection are better than anyone thinks

“It depends on what comes out,” Nadler said.

“It depends where the American people are, :lol enforcing the Constitution is a popularity contest?
whether they want to go that way or not.

I don’t want to make it sound as if we’re heading for impeachment.

Probably we’re not.”

Will the Democrats ever learn

a) how to message and

b) that the press, no matter what conservatives say, is not their friend?

Right now, the Republicans are moving implacably on all fronts to discredit any official account of both how the Russian ratfucking helped the president* win and

also to discredit (and stop) any further investigation into how big a crook the Russians helped install in the White House.

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee is advising the president*'s son to ignore congressional subpoenas and, just yesterday,

in federal court, the president*'s lawyers essentially argued that Congress has no right to investigate the president* over anything.

Spectacularly, it gets worse.

Nadler said that in his view, Trump can be impeached for only two things:

“misuse of presidential power while president or

for cheating in the election that gave him the presidency.”

“Other than that, if he did something terrible before he was president,

he robbed the bank, that’s not impeachable,” Nadler said. :lol

“It’s a crime, but it’s not impeachable.” :lol

Nadler also said he considers

Trump a “con man” but argued that that is not grounds for impeachment either.

“He is thoroughly dishonest.

He lies all the time. We know that.

None of those are grounds for impeachment,” Nadler said.

“They’re grounds for defeating him for reelection.” :lol

Nadler's argument doesn't even make sense, and

that's in addition to the fact that

he narrowed the grounds on which he might wield his considerable clout unnecessarily and voluntarily.

For the first time, I find myself siding with those people who believe that, ultimately,

the House will chicken out of its constitutional duty and, because of that,

I find myself siding with people who believe that

the president*'s re-election chances are better than anyone thinks.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/05/16/i-no-longer-believe-house-democrats-will-uphold-their-constitutional-duty (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/05/16/i-no-longer-believe-house-democrats-will-uphold-their-constitutional-duty)

Is there anybody in the Dem Congress who will stand up, revolt against the chickenshit, intimidated, Repug-compliant Dem leadership, and call for impeachment?

[koriwhat]

I No Longer Believe House Democrats Will Uphold Their Constitutional Duty

And, as a result, the president*'s chances of reelection are better than anyone thinks

“It depends on what comes out,” Nadler said.

“It depends where the American people are, :lol enforcing the Constitution is a popularity contest?
whether they want to go that way or not.

I don’t want to make it sound as if we’re heading for impeachment.

Probably we’re not.”

Will the Democrats ever learn

a) how to message and

b) that the press, no matter what conservatives say, is not their friend?

Right now, the Republicans are moving implacably on all fronts to discredit any official account of both how the Russian ratfucking helped the president* win and

also to discredit (and stop) any further investigation into how big a crook the Russians helped install in the White House.

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee is advising the president*'s son to ignore congressional subpoenas and, just yesterday,

in federal court, the president*'s lawyers essentially argued that Congress has no right to investigate the president* over anything.

Spectacularly, it gets worse.

Nadler said that in his view, Trump can be impeached for only two things:

“misuse of presidential power while president or

for cheating in the election that gave him the presidency.”

“Other than that, if he did something terrible before he was president,

he robbed the bank, that’s not impeachable,” Nadler said. :lol

“It’s a crime, but it’s not impeachable.” :lol

Nadler also said he considers

Trump a “con man” but argued that that is not grounds for impeachment either.

“He is thoroughly dishonest.

He lies all the time. We know that.

None of those are grounds for impeachment,” Nadler said.

“They’re grounds for defeating him for reelection.” :lol

Nadler's argument doesn't even make sense, and

that's in addition to the fact that

he narrowed the grounds on which he might wield his considerable clout unnecessarily and voluntarily.

For the first time, I find myself siding with those people who believe that, ultimately,

the House will chicken out of its constitutional duty and, because of that,

I find myself siding with people who believe that

the president*'s re-election chances are better than anyone thinks.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/05/16/i-no-longer-believe-house-democrats-will-uphold-their-constitutional-duty (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/05/16/i-no-longer-believe-house-democrats-will-uphold-their-constitutional-duty)

Is there anybody in the Dem Congress who will stand up, revolt against the chickenshit, intimidated, Repug-compliant Dem leadership, and call for impeachment?




lmao keep crying cry baby

[boutons_deux]

Jeff Sessions’s Grave Conflict of Interest

Last year, in March 2018, then Attorney General Jeff Sessions enlisted his subordinates to lie on his behalf

that he did not know he was under federal investigation when he fired then Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe

Sessions and his allies succeeded in shutting down a major controversy.

If it had been made public that the attorney general had knowingly fired the deputy FBI director (and later, acting director) who’d opened and supervised that criminal investigation,

the resulting scandal would have engulfed Sessions and

would likely have even more seriously threatened his already tumultuous tenure as attorney general.

A government official with first-hand knowledge of the matter told me that the attorney general therefore instructed aides to make false statements in briefings to the press.

corroborated in part by a mass of evidence in the Mueller Report detailing the special counsel’s investigation of the former attorney general.

In addition to firing McCabe, Sessions, while under investigation, played a leading role in more broadly carrying out President Trump’s relentless campaign to undermine and discredit the FBI

Sessions had claimed that he had not known he’d been investigated for perjury until sometime during March 2018, the month he fired McCabe,

At issue were statements

Sessions had made at his confirmation hearing, claiming that he’d had no contacts with Russian diplomats

during the 2016 presidential election when he was advising Trump.

Sessions, in fact, had twice met with Kislyak.

It was after TheWashington Post disclosed details (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.4941f2348f49) of these meetings that Sessions recused himself (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/us/politics/jeff-sessions-russia-trump-investigation-democrats.html) from overseeing the DOJ and FBI investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/05/15/jeff-sessionss-grave-conflict-of-interest/

[boutons_deux]

Barr Claims He’s Not Barring Mueller from Testifying

“It’s Bob’s call whether he wants to testify.”

— “Attorney General William Barr denied he is standing in the way of special counsel Robert Mueller’s testimony before Congress,

after the chairman of the House panel seeking his appearance accused the Justice Department of being unwilling to set a date,”

the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-says-he-isnt-blocking-muellers-testimony-to-congress-11557983315?mod=hp_lead_pos2) reports.


http://www.pensitoreview.com/2019/05/17/barr-claims-hes-not-barring-mueller-from-testifying/ (http://www.pensitoreview.com/2019/05/17/barr-claims-hes-not-barring-mueller-from-testifying/)

[boutons_deux]

CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin Blasts Bill Barr:

‘Sean Hannity Is the Attorney General!’

Toobin said in response,

“I was amazed by that interview and the one in the Wall Street Journal.”

“It turns out,” he continued,

“the attorney general is Sean Hannity, and

Sean Hannity is the attorney general!

I mean, every talking point from Fox News gets repeated!…

I just found it an absolutely astonishing couple of interviews.”

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-blasts-bill-barr-sean-hannity-is-the-attorney-general/ (https://www.mediaite.com/trump/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-blasts-bill-barr-sean-hannity-is-the-attorney-general/)

[ducks]

Mueller’s House testimony likely off until at least June

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/mueller-testimony-june-1331704

[boutons_deux]

Some Republicans unsettled by Trump’s sweeping claims of immunity

Veteran lawmakers are increasingly alarmed over the president's claim that Congress can't police him.

That view, advanced by Trump’s personal attorney and White House counsel late last week, would upend long-held understandings about Congress’ ability to scrutinize presidential conduct —especially alleged criminal activity.

“I’m in Congress. I’m aligned with Congress. I’m not aligned with the executive branch. And I think we have oversight authority over the administration,”

“And if the president has acted illegally, then I think we have oversight authority.”

“Obviously there is such a thing as congressional oversight,”

Institutionalist-minded Republicans are increasingly uncomfortable with the far-reaching arguments Trump and his lawyers are using to make their case, amid fears the claims of near-immunity from congressional scrutiny will set dangerous precedents.

But these lawmakers also are not preparing to act in any way that constrains Trump. :lol

They roundly support the president’s rejection of House Democrats’ investigations and subpoenas :lol

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/20/congress-donald-trump-investigations-1331677 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/20/congress-donald-trump-investigations-1331677)

[boutons_deux]

Adam Schiff Releases Michael Cohen Evidence

In a statement provided to PoliticusUSA, Chairman Schiff said:

With the completion of Special Counsel Mueller’s work and the release of his report, it is critically important that the Committee, and the Congress, make public as much information as possible that bears on Mueller’s findings, explain the evidence he uncovered, and expose the obstructive actions taken by this President and those who surround him.

It is in this light that the Committee today releases the transcripts of two days of interviews of Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen.

Cohen’s February and March 2019 testimony corroborate information previously received by the Committee, including the Trump Tower Moscow deal under negotiation throughout the 2016 election season by then-candidate Donald Trump.

Cohen also presented significant and troubling new detail regarding the false statement that he provided to our Committee in August 2017 and for which, in part, he is now in prison.

Since Cohen’s testimony, the Committee has already begun to follow up on information that Cohen provided related to attorneys for others involved in a joint defense agreement – including Jared Kushner and Donald Jr. and Ivanka Trump – to determine whether they aided in Cohen’s obstruction of the Committee’s investigation.

Cohen also testified that throughout the 2016 election, candidate Trump was actively kept apprised of a potential licensing agreement on a building to be erected in the heart of Moscow —

a deal for which Mr. Trump and his family would have personally earned millions and would have required active participation by the Kremlin to get final approval.

Cohen testified that while Trump continued to falsely claim that he had no business deals with Russia, Cohen was actively pursuing the deal through summer 2016.

Trump and his associates sought to ensure that false narrative continued.

Cohen testified Trump urged him to ‘stay on message, which is there’s no Russia, there’s no collusion, there’s no business deals.’

Cohen also said that the president’s personal attorney, Jay Sekulow, also directed him to ‘stay on message,’

in part by encouraging Mr. Cohen to falsely claim to Congress that the Trump Tower Moscow deal ended in January 2016, before the Iowa caucuses.

According to Mr. Cohen, attorneys for Kushner, Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and the Trump Organization also reviewed the statement before it was provided to Congress and raised no concerns with its false content.

The obstructive acts did not stop there.

After the raid of Cohen’s hotel and office, Trump’s legal team, according to Cohen, again interjected –

this time coaxing Cohen not to cooperate with authorities through implicit promises of a future pardon.

Cohen testified that he had several conversations with Sekulow through July 2018 about pardons,

and with an intermediary for the president’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

When Cohen no longer chose to toe the party line on President Trump’s relationship with Russia,

the president and his allies trained their fire on Cohen and his family through

a campaign of public intimidation to silence his testimony before several congressional committees – quintessential witness intimidation.

The public should judge for themselves both the evidence released today in conjunction with

Cohen’s testimony related to Trump,

his troubling relationship with Russia, and

the efforts by Trump and those close to him to hide the relationship and potential business deals.

The public also deserves the chance to judge Cohen’s credibility for themselves, including by examining some of the evidence he provided to the Committee.

The Committee will continue its investigation, continue to pursue additional evidence related to Cohen’s testimony, and present to the American people what we find.

But make no mistake, any attempt by the President, his associates or Administration to suborn perjury, obstruct our investigation or mislead the public will not be tolerated – and will be exposed.

You can read Cohen’s February testimony here, (https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20190520/109549/HMTG-116-IG00-20190520-SD002.pdf) and his March tesimony here (https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20190520/109549/HMTG-116-IG00-20190520-SD001.pdf)

Michael Cohen is just one witness,

but the evidence against Trump is extensive.

Trump lied about doing business in Russia.

He lied about the Trump Tower Moscow project,

and he actively tried to obstruct the investigation.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/20/adam-schiff-michael-cohen-evidence.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/20/adam-schiff-michael-cohen-evidence.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[UnWantedTheory]

Adam Schiff Releases Michael Cohen Evidence

In a statement provided to PoliticusUSA, Chairman Schiff said:

With the completion of Special Counsel Mueller’s work and the release of his report, it is critically important that the Committee, and the Congress, make public as much information as possible that bears on Mueller’s findings, explain the evidence he uncovered, and expose the obstructive actions taken by this President and those who surround him.

It is in this light that the Committee today releases the transcripts of two days of interviews of Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen.

Cohen’s February and March 2019 testimony corroborate information previously received by the Committee, including the Trump Tower Moscow deal under negotiation throughout the 2016 election season by then-candidate Donald Trump.

Cohen also presented significant and troubling new detail regarding the false statement that he provided to our Committee in August 2017 and for which, in part, he is now in prison.

Since Cohen’s testimony, the Committee has already begun to follow up on information that Cohen provided related to attorneys for others involved in a joint defense agreement – including Jared Kushner and Donald Jr. and Ivanka Trump – to determine whether they aided in Cohen’s obstruction of the Committee’s investigation.

Cohen also testified that throughout the 2016 election, candidate Trump was actively kept apprised of a potential licensing agreement on a building to be erected in the heart of Moscow —

a deal for which Mr. Trump and his family would have personally earned millions and would have required active participation by the Kremlin to get final approval.

Cohen testified that while Trump continued to falsely claim that he had no business deals with Russia, Cohen was actively pursuing the deal through summer 2016.

Trump and his associates sought to ensure that false narrative continued.

Cohen testified Trump urged him to ‘stay on message, which is there’s no Russia, there’s no collusion, there’s no business deals.’

Cohen also said that the president’s personal attorney, Jay Sekulow, also directed him to ‘stay on message,’

in part by encouraging Mr. Cohen to falsely claim to Congress that the Trump Tower Moscow deal ended in January 2016, before the Iowa caucuses.

According to Mr. Cohen, attorneys for Kushner, Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and the Trump Organization also reviewed the statement before it was provided to Congress and raised no concerns with its false content.

The obstructive acts did not stop there.

After the raid of Cohen’s hotel and office, Trump’s legal team, according to Cohen, again interjected –

this time coaxing Cohen not to cooperate with authorities through implicit promises of a future pardon.

Cohen testified that he had several conversations with Sekulow through July 2018 about pardons,

and with an intermediary for the president’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

When Cohen no longer chose to toe the party line on President Trump’s relationship with Russia,

the president and his allies trained their fire on Cohen and his family through

a campaign of public intimidation to silence his testimony before several congressional committees – quintessential witness intimidation.

The public should judge for themselves both the evidence released today in conjunction with

Cohen’s testimony related to Trump,

his troubling relationship with Russia, and

the efforts by Trump and those close to him to hide the relationship and potential business deals.

The public also deserves the chance to judge Cohen’s credibility for themselves, including by examining some of the evidence he provided to the Committee.

The Committee will continue its investigation, continue to pursue additional evidence related to Cohen’s testimony, and present to the American people what we find.

But make no mistake, any attempt by the President, his associates or Administration to suborn perjury, obstruct our investigation or mislead the public will not be tolerated – and will be exposed.

You can read Cohen’s February testimony here, (https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20190520/109549/HMTG-116-IG00-20190520-SD002.pdf) and his March tesimony here (https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20190520/109549/HMTG-116-IG00-20190520-SD001.pdf)

Michael Cohen is just one witness,

but the evidence against Trump is extensive.

Trump lied about doing business in Russia.

He lied about the Trump Tower Moscow project,

and he actively tried to obstruct the investigation.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/20/adam-schiff-michael-cohen-evidence.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/20/adam-schiff-michael-cohen-evidence.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

They really don't care man. Jesus could appear saying as much and they would just label him a JINO. They put all their chips on Trump, and after Bush, they don't want to look like fools again, so they will forever double down. American politics is a sporting event and they need their team to win.

[CosmicCowboy]

They really don't care man. Jesus could appear saying as much and they would just label him a JINO. They put all their chips on Trump, and after Bush, they don't want to look like fools again, so they will forever double down. American politics is a sporting event and they need their team to win.

I don't think Schiff realizes the backlash if he goes after the family. It's a bridge way too far.

[Pavlov]

I don't think Schiff realizes the backlash if he goes after the family. It's a bridge way too far.You mean Trump supporters won't like it?

wow

[CosmicCowboy]

You mean Trump supporters won't like it?

wow

Not really. I'm saying if he goes after Ivanka on some obscure collusion charge the independent backlash will be larger than you think.

[boutons_deux]

Not really. I'm saying if he goes after Ivanka on some obscure collusion charge the independent backlash will be larger than you think.

If there is evidence that Kushner, Ivanka, Jr broke the law, then FUCK 'EM.

[CosmicCowboy]

If there is evidence that Kushner, Ivanka, Jr broke the law, then FUCK 'EM.

I'm sure the whackos like you would approve, but living your bitter life in your mamma's single wide has sheltered you from mainstream views.

[CosmicCowboy]

If you don't like Trump and think you have a case then go after Trump. Going after the family on obscure bullshit will be a huge turnoff to moderates.

[Spurs Homer]

If you don't like Trump and think you have a case then go after Trump. Going after the family on obscure bullshit will be a huge turnoff to moderates.

the entire criminal family should be prosecuted - no exceptions

wgaf who is turned off

[CosmicCowboy]

So, impeach him and prosecute his family on obscure charges and see how that works out for you. Hell, maybe Baron knew something too. Don't forget him.

[Spurs Homer]

So, impeach him and prosecute his family on obscure charges and see how that works out for you. Hell, maybe Baron knew something too. Don't forget him.


he will be impeached

and the law is the law - only criminals and criminal sympathizers refer to crimes as

”obscure charges”

and on jan 21,2021

trump himself will also be indicted for several felonies that the DOJ policy will not be able to protect him from

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/677400/story_image/ScreenShot2019-05-19at10.37.01PM.png?1558323675

[Pavlov]

Not really. I'm saying if he goes after Ivanka on some obscure collusion charge the independent backlash will be larger than you think.So you're not in favor of actually upholding the law in such a case?

[Pavlov]

So, impeach him and prosecute his family on obscure charges and see how that works out for you. Hell, maybe Baron knew something too. Don't forget him.You're genuinely upset for Ivanka.:lol

[UnWantedTheory]

I don't think Schiff realizes the backlash if he goes after the family. It's a bridge way too far.

If they broke the law it needs to be done. Not sure how anyone could argue that.

[Pavlov]

If they broke the law it needs to be done. Not sure how anyone could argue that.Right? It's not like she isn't part of the government due to det nepotism in the first place.

CC's knee-jerk paternalism and sexism make her off limits somehow.

[UnWantedTheory]

Right? It's not like she isn't part of the government due to det nepotism in the first place.

CC's knee-jerk paternalism and sexism make her off limits somehow.

Exactly. Trump made them fair game when he gave them positions within his campaign and our government. I don't believe in going after them for shits and giggles, but if any of them broke the law or are suspected of doing so, it needs to be addressed.

[pgardn]

So, impeach him and prosecute his family on obscure charges and see how that works out for you. Hell, maybe Baron knew something too. Don't forget him.

Was he also given White House duties and a pass to see intelligence information?
Is Barron formulating a peace plan with Israel? Trump brought his family in.

[boutons_deux]

Trash gave Kushner top secret clearance over the objections of security people. Kushner is fair game.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you're not in favor of actually upholding the law in such a case?

It's more of a gray zone like Hillarys emails. Yeah, she clearly broke the law, but mark it down to "gross negligence" and move on. You guys sound just like the pitchfork crew that was after Hillary.

[Pavlov]

It's more of a gray zone like Hillarys emails. Yeah, she clearly broke the law, but mark it down to "gross negligence" and move on. You guys sound just like the pitchfork crew that was after Hillary.
lol "was"

What are you saying Ivanka was "negligent" about?

[Winehole23]

CC was a founding member of the pitchfork crew here, well before 2016.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol "was"

What are you saying Ivanka was "negligent" about?

I'm not. You are the ones scratching for anything to charge the family with just out of spite.

[Winehole23]

I'm not. You are the ones scratching for anything to charge the family with just out of spite.Surely it's appropriate to investigate corruption if there seems to be evidence for it.

Ivanka--> Inauguration shenanigans

Kushner --> Qatar

[CosmicCowboy]

CC was a founding member of the pitchfork crew here, well before 2016.

Meh. I think getting humiliated by a moron like Trump was enough punishment for Hillary.

[Winehole23]

Meh. I think getting humiliated by a moron like Trump was enough punishment for Hillary.You rode her ass for (at least) ten solid years (that I know of -- I joined this board in 2008) with barely a let up. Almost as if out of spite.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Passion is part of politics.

[CosmicCowboy]

Surely it's appropriate to investigate corruption if there seems to be evidence for it.

Ivanka--> Inauguration shenanigans

Kushner --> Qatar

Not to the level you are trying to claim. I still say they were just as surprised as we were when Trump actually won the election. Up to that point I think it was just trumps egotistical and narcissistic brand building.

[Winehole23]

Not to the level you are trying to claim..How did you come to this conclusion?

[CosmicCowboy]

You rode her ass for (at least) ten solid years (that I know of -- I joined this board in 2008) with barely a let up. Almost as if out of spite.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Passion is part of politics.

I wont argue that point. I have never liked Hillary.

[Winehole23]

I wont argue that point. I have never liked Hillary.So perhaps you can understand and empathize with the passion of others against Trump and the beneficiaries of his nepotistic largesse.

[CosmicCowboy]

So perhaps you can understand and empathize with the passion of others against Trump and the beneficiaries of his nepotistic largesse.

:lmao

I never underestimated the passion. Boutons is a perfect example. He has literally dedicated his life to spamming this forum 24/7/365 and has yet to convert a single person. Now that's passion.

[Pavlov]

I'm not. You are the ones scratching for anything to charge the family with just out of spite.
So you want her put above the law because why?

[CosmicCowboy]

So you want her put above the law because why?

First, why don't you explain what law you claim she broke.

[Pavlov]

First, why don't you explain what law you claim she broke.
I don't have to. I say she should be treated like anyone else when it comes to the law.

You think she should be above that law.

Why?

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not going to debate a Chump hypothetical when you cant even say what she allegedly did to be prosecuted.

[Pavlov]

I'm not going to debate a Chump hypothetical when you cant even say what she allegedly did to be prosecuted.
You're the one who hypothetically put her above the law without even considering what the crime might be.

It's a good idea for you to back down from that:tu

[CosmicCowboy]

If she murdered someone? Sure. Or any other actual crime. This bullshit about the hotel "overcharging" as her crime? That is a relative and totally unprovable offense. My wife and I ate at torchy's tacos last week and the bill was like $25. Last month we ate at Mamas Fish House in Maui and the bill was over $300. Did Mamas Fish House overcharge me?

[Spurs Homer]

It's more of a gray zone like Hillarys emails. Yeah, she clearly broke the law, but mark it down to "gross negligence" and move on. You guys sound just like the pitchfork crew that was after Hillary.

which law did she clearly break?

was it as clear as individual -1’s felony of which he is an unindicted co-conspirator?

[CosmicCowboy]

which law did she clearly break?

was it as clear as individual -1’s felony of which he is an unindicted co-conspirator?

Old news, faggot. If you want to take a trip down memory lane there are plenty of dead threads about it.

[Pavlov]

If she murdered someone? Sure. Or any other actual crime. This bullshit about the hotel "overcharging" as her crime? That is a relative and totally unprovable offense. My wife and I ate at torchy's tacos last week and the bill was like $25. Last month we ate at Mamas Fish House in Maui and the bill was over $300. Did Mamas Fish House overcharge me?
That is spectacularly stupid, CC.

[boutons_deux]

right wingers subscribe to multi-decade witch hunting and harassment of the Clintons

but ignore that dubya's WH DELETED Ms of emails, violating Federal Records Act and that many Repug mucky mucks used, and still use, non-govt email systems for govt communications.

[Pavlov]

Prosecutors generally don't bring cases they think they'll lose. If one brings a case against CC's lil' dumplin' Ivanka, I would assume they're more confident than not.

[CosmicCowboy]

That is spectacularly stupid, CC.

Actually it wasn't. The food was fucking amazing.

[Pavlov]

Actually it wasn't. The food was fucking amazing.Your feeble attempt at an overcharging example was incredibly stupid.

[CosmicCowboy]

Your feeble attempt at an overcharging example was incredibly stupid.

Nope. Cost and value are subjective.

[Pavlov]

Nope. Cost and value are subjective.How would it be subjective in your lil' dumplin's case?

[TSA]

1130870384528642049

1130879544825720834

:lol Mueller getting trashed in the comments

[Pavlov]

:lmao TSA flip-flops on Mueller once again after flip-flopping on Q once again.

[Spurs Homer]

Old news, faggot. If you want to take a trip down memory lane there are plenty of dead threads about it.

old news- nope

sdny currently has that OPEN case

seems like red team crimes are condoned by idiot traitors like you

[Spurs Homer]

Two months into the

COVER UP

and dems are just now getting around to actually calling it a cover up.

a few more months and then they can finally start

calling trump what he is;

a Criminal and a traitor who stole the election and sided with our sworn enemy.

[boutons_deux]

Pelosi Wed morn actually called it a coverup

[boutons_deux]

The A of I could be drawn up quickly, but really long, and each article read out loud and discussed/debated, to really fuck up Trash, and probably contribute to pushing down Trash's so-called approval rating even lower, his disapproval rating even higher.

What the Senate does (no investigation of the A of I) is irrelevant. The Dem House can and must do tons of damage to Trash.

btw, the Repug Senate refusing to try Trash will also hurt some Repug Senators' election prospects.

[TSA]

Two months into the

COVER UP

and dems are just now getting around to actually calling it a cover up.

a few more months and then they can finally start

calling trump what he is;

a Criminal and a traitor who stole the election and sided with our sworn enemy.

:rollin

[Spurs Homer]

Pelosi Wed morn actually called it a coverup

Exactly.

Just like I said 2 months ago when Barr misrepresented the Mueller report.

[Spurs Homer]

Hey Cult trumpers;

Which of these is NOT a cover up;

1) Hiding his tax returns/financial documents - so that proof of his foreign gov't bribes won't be exposed?

2) Preventing EVERY witness from testifying - so that his crimes are not exposed?

3) Refusing to provide Congress EVERY document that Congress demands to fulfill their constitutional duty?

4) Preventing the Mueller report underlying evidence from being released - TO CONGRESS- who has legal authority?

5) Preventing Mueller from testifying - or slowwalking their approval - while not having the BALLS to admit HE is the one who is instructing BARR to prevent Mueller from testifying?

6) Still refusing to PUBLICLY confront the dictator who attacked our elections?

7) Refusing to speak to Mueller about Putin under oath - but willing to speak to Putin about Mueller and tell the world - Putin's preferred spin on the treason they committed?


Which of these is NOT part of a criminal cover up? A criminal conspiracy to evade prosecution for his betrayal of our country?


Pelosi just said

"I feel sorry for him - I will pray for the president"


:lmao:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Trash thinks he can bully the Dems out of investigating him and his mafiya

Trump abruptly ends infrastructure meeting with Democrats after Pelosi says he is ‘engaged in a coverup’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-takes-aim-at-house-democrats-as-they-prepare-to-discuss-impeachment-calls/2019/05/22/a36ea0d0-7c79-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html?utm_term=.631a2fbb3583&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

His fantasy is that the Dems want an infrastructure deal more than they want to bring him down.

anyway, USA ain't gonna fix its infrastructure decay.

[Spurminator]

Every faggot enabler and cheerleader for this administration should be forced to watch that unhinged tirade that just happened at the White House.

This is your guy. The leader of the free world. What an embarrassing time to be alive.

[Spurs Homer]

Every faggot enabler and cheerleader for this administration should be forced to watch that unhinged tirade that just happened at the White House.

This is your guy. The leader of the free world. What an embarrassing time to be alive.

and every teacher or leader in this country should make it mandatory

that every student, every employee, every citizen should watch the

”helsinki” video

to make sure every person in this country is a direct witness of a sworn president

betraying his oath to the us constitution, betraying every citizen and publicly supporting the dictator who

attacked the usa


maybe then

the spell will slowly lose its power over the brainwashed idiots like ducks, tsa, qhris, et al

[spurraider21]

Every faggot enabler and cheerleader for this administration should be forced to watch that unhinged tirade that just happened at the White House.

This is your guy. The leader of the free world. What an embarrassing time to be alive.
dont even want to ask

[boutons_deux]

1129844998306967558

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s ever-rising golf tab is three times the cost of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation — so far
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trumps-ever-rising-golf-tab-is-three-times-the-cost-of-special-counsel-robert-muellers-russia-investigation-so-far/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trumps-ever-rising-golf-tab-is-three-times-the-cost-of-special-counsel-robert-muellers-russia-investigation-so-far/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[boutons_deux]

...

[Pavlov]

Trump’s ever-rising golf tab is three times the cost of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation — so far
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trumps-ever-rising-golf-tab-is-three-times-the-cost-of-special-counsel-robert-muellers-russia-investigation-so-far/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trumps-ever-rising-golf-tab-is-three-times-the-cost-of-special-counsel-robert-muellers-russia-investigation-so-far/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29):lol what a lazy and shiftless white guy.

[RandomGuy]

Every faggot enabler and cheerleader for this administration should be forced to watch that unhinged tirade that just happened at the White House.

This is your guy. The leader of the free world. What an embarrassing time to be alive.

Saw that. Holy fuckballs this guy has lost it.

[boutons_deux]

"I think Bill Barr has all the duplicity of Rudy Giuliani

without all the good looks and general likability of Rudy Giuliani"

https://theweek.com/speedreads/843070/rep-adam-schiff-manages-insult-william-barr-rudy-giuliani-1-sentence (https://theweek.com/speedreads/843070/rep-adam-schiff-manages-insult-william-barr-rudy-giuliani-1-sentence)

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s attempts to block congressional oversight look ‘doomed’

Jeffrey Toobin told “The Situation Room” host Wolf Blitzer just how thoroughly Trump’s legal maneuvers had been rejected by the judiciary.

“It’s another very important win, because the legal issue fundamentally is the same as the one yesterday regarding the accounting firm that did the president’s taxes,” said Toobin.

“The issue is, is this a legitimate subject for congressional oversight?

Does Congress have the right to investigate this area?

The president’s lawyers have argued in both courts that this is a purely personal matter.

It is not related to any sort of legislation,

so Congress should not be allowed to get those documents.”

“That argument has now been convincingly rejected twice,” said Toobin.

“And that, I think, is among the weakest of arguments that his lawyers will be raising.

It’s certainly a weaker argument than the [former White House Counsel] Don McGahn executive privilege argument,

which is upcoming,

but this one is one that looks doomed.

Doomed in D.C.,

doomed today here in Manhattan, and

we’ll see if he does any better in the appeals court.” :lol Merrick Garland presiding! :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trumps-attempts-to-block-congressional-oversight-look-doomed-cnn-legal-analyst/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trumps-attempts-to-block-congressional-oversight-look-doomed-cnn-legal-analyst/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[Winehole23]

:lmao TSA flip-flops on Mueller once again after flip-flopping on Q once again.Flexibility.

Memory is short, propaganda plays a long game in which truth and internal consistency are limitations and bullshit is a virtue.

[Spurs Homer]

Bill Weld (Republicunt running for President) ;

This is what I have been saying all along....hmmmm...




https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/gop-primary-challenger-bill-weld-reacts-to-mueller-impeachment-60226117763

[DarrinS]

1131887848737648640

[Winehole23]

devolved? please spare the pearl clutching, Darrin.

it was a political spectacle way before the Democrats took over, but what do you expect -- the House of Representatives is a political institution par excellence and so are all the committees.

[Spurs Homer]

I think bill weld got it right

ff the video

weld thinks mueller was going to indict trump

And barr stopped him

mueller knows this is explosive


too fuking bad mueller

gotta man up and expose the cover up

[Winehole23]

So long as DJT continues to punch libs, blacks, immigrants, gays, women and dirty fucking hippies in the face, Republicams will continue to overlook the fact that DJT is a crook and a badly compromised one at that.

[Winehole23]

spite > principles

[RandomGuy]

So long as DJT continues to punch libs, blacks, immigrants, gays, women and dirty fucking hippies in the face, Republicams will continue to overlook the fact that DJT is a crook and a badly compromised one at that.

Exactly my thoughts.

DJT is the embodyment of the hate and spite the right feels now, and has felt for a long time. The latest symptom of rot, with right wing talk radio being the first, Fox "news" network being the second.

[Nbadan]

spite > principles

its not just spite imo

[Winehole23]

its not just spite imoWhat stands out for you, Dan?

[boutons_deux]

Repugs see that impeachment is coming so they are telling their cult mob that

Repug Senate won't try, won't convict, trying to downplay they very nasty articles of impeachment the Dems, if they are smart enough, will write and pass.

Senate Republicans are already promising to ‘quickly’ shut down Trump impeachment

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/senate-republicans-are-already-promising-to-quickly-shut-down-trump-impeachment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=245 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/senate-republicans-are-already-promising-to-quickly-shut-down-trump-impeachment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=245)

The Articles of Impeachment, and successful impeachment, DO matter tremendously, as a winning campaign strategy.

[Spurs Homer]

Repugs see that impeachment is coming so they are telling their cult mob that

Repug Senate won't try, won't convict, trying to downplay they very nasty articles of impeachment the Dems, if they are smart enough, will write and pass.

Senate Republicans are already promising to ‘quickly’ shut down Trump impeachment

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/senate-republicans-are-already-promising-to-quickly-shut-down-trump-impeachment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=245 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/senate-republicans-are-already-promising-to-quickly-shut-down-trump-impeachment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=245)

The Articles of Impeachment, and successful impeachment, DO matter tremendously, as a winning campaign strategy.



Not defending Pelosi -

but this lends credence to her "strategy"


she knows all too well that Republicans will poison the well even more to die on the hill called Trump -so she has to find a way to bring an impeachment that is


traitor proof!

[boutons_deux]

spite > principles

there are no ethics or human principles in politics or business.

[TSA]

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[boutons_deux]

Not defending Pelosi -

but this lends credence to her "strategy"


fuck her and fuck her go-slow / no impeachment strategy

Articles of Impeachment, covered extensively by the media, and slow walked / read out loud in the House, would destroy Trash and many of the Repugs sucking his apocryphal dick

Yes, we all know Repug Senate won't convict, but that's shit stain is on them.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Impeachment_Role.htm

[spurraider21]

1133356200811204609
makes sense. reading his report, he laid out an obstruction case. decided not to indict because they ultimately agreed with White House Counsel re: DOJ policy not to indict sitting president

[TSA]

makes sense. reading his report, he laid out an obstruction case. decided not to indict because they ultimately agreed with White House Counsel re: DOJ policy not to indict sitting president

The Guardian obtained a copy of Siege and viewed the documents concerned.

In an author’s note, Wolff states that his findings on the Mueller investigation are “based on internal documents given to me by sources close to the Office of the Special Counsel”.

But Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, told the Guardian: “The documents that you’ve described do not exist.”

:lol

[Chris]

Fire and Fury Part Deux!! super cereal this time :tu

[Pavlov]

The Guardian obtained a copy of Siege and viewed the documents concerned.

In an author’s note, Wolff states that his findings on the Mueller investigation are “based on internal documents given to me by sources close to the Office of the Special Counsel”.

But Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, told the Guardian: “The documents that you’ve described do not exist.”

:lolThey probably don't exist....

...now....

[boutons_deux]

Michael Wolff Says Mueller Drew Up An Obstruction Indictment Against Trump


https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/28/michael-wolff-says-mueller-drew-up-an-obstruction-indictment-against-trump.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/28/michael-wolff-says-mueller-drew-up-an-obstruction-indictment-against-trump.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[Spurs Homer]

Probably didn't write them up because BARR had already shut Mueller down.

If you read the Mueller report - there is plenty of restrictions that Rosenstein and then Barr placed on Mueller and Mueller explains it all.

All Mueller could do was;

1) Russia attack investigation -

2) coordination between trump -which Mueller explained ;
"coordination" is not really a criminal offense - it does not exist -

the ONLY thing Mueller could really do was - point out the "coordination" and then meekly explain that - that -"coordination" could not be labeled "conspiracy" because Rosenstein's memo's had already tied his hands.

Here is the ONLY good news - (good news= you give a shit about justice, the USA, and the rule of law);


Mueller had FBI agents not assigned to the Mueller team = nevertheless - attend every week and whenever a crime or evidence of a possible crime, evidence of trump team being compromised by russia, or evidence of any other crime - which his MANDATE would NOT allow him to pursue -

he had those FBI agents - take that evidence back to the fbi counter-intel -

and investigate those crimes from there.

So the CULT can celebrate that Mueller was rendered impotent -


but

the FBI didn't just drop their investigations.


All of that is in the Mueller report.

[Reck]

makes sense. reading his report, he laid out an obstruction case. decided not to indict because they ultimately agreed with White House Counsel re: DOJ policy not to indict sitting president

Mueller's spokesperson shut this down so quick.

Didn't this author get exposed with his first book? With lots of inaccuracies and flat out lies?

Next year he'll release part 3 to complete the trilogy. :lol

[Spurtacular]

They probably don't exist....

...now....

Chump with the conspiracy theory

...lol...

[Pavlov]

Chump with the conspiracy theory

...lol...Just making a possible interpretation of the lawyerspeak.

I'll ask you a question that will make you shit yourself:

If a person says a document does not currently exist, could that document have previously existed?

Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

Mueller to speak on Russia probe at 10 am Central time.

:wakeup

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

Mueller: “charging the president with a crime- was not an option”

[djohn2oo8]

Mueller: “charging the president with a crime- was not an option”
You missed “while in office”. This was no exoneration.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

You missed “while in office”. This was no exoneration.


Never said it was

just pointing out that trump committed crimes - but mueller was not allowed to charge - but crimes were committed


but mueller is trying to hide

he says if congress makes him testify - he will basically just recite his report

fuck that

we need to know;

1) who is following the money - since you were not allowed?
2) did rosenstein/barr stop your investigation?
3) why did you not force trump to testify?
4) trump jr?
5) jareds back channel?

a million others

[djohn2oo8]

Never said it was

just pointing out that trump committed crimes - but mueller was not allowed to charge - but crimes were committed


but mueller is trying to hide

he says if congress makes him testify - he will basically just recite his report

fuck that

we need to know;

1) who is following the money - since you were not allowed?
2) did rosenstein/barr stop your investigation?
3) why did you not force trump to testify?
4) trump jr?
5) jareds back channel?

a million others
Everything is in the report minus redacted grand jury material. He just told them to begin an impeachment inquiry.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurminator]

At the very least this shows one thing we already knew... that Barr is a lying sycophant. He should be removed.

[boutons_deux]

Mueller: “charging the president with a crime- was not an option”

the OLC memos, written by DoJ lawyers protecting the laweyers' current Pres, are political bullshit, not law, not Constitutional

[UnWantedTheory]

Basically he committed crimes but he can't be charged because he is the president. Impeachment is kind of a waste of time, but that is what Mueller just referred to, and I really don't see how they can't go through with proceedings now.

[boutons_deux]

"Impeachment is kind of a waste of time"

absolutely not, if the Dems write up Articles including ALL the Trash shit that is "unbecoming", unfit, dishonest, etc, and NONE of that has to be crimes or Miss Demeanor

[UnWantedTheory]

"Impeachment is kind of a waste of time"

absolutely not, if the Dems write up Articles including ALL the Trash shit that is "unbecoming", unfit, dishonest, etc, and NONE of that has to be crimes or Miss Demeanor



All it will do is make him look bad. He already does. He won't be removed, so....? Not to mention his supporters will just blame it on the fictitious Democrat witch hunt. I also said that I don't see how they can't start it up. They kind of have to at this point, it just won't mean much.

[RandomGuy]

All it will do is make him look bad. He already does. He won't be removed, so....? Not to mention his supporters will just blame it on the fictitious Democrat witch hunt. I also said that I don't see how they can't start it up. They kind of have to at this point, it just won't mean much.

It will be slow walked for months to make the process closer to the election, and to have more evidence from the investigations. Public support isn't quite there yet, a testament to the efficacy of the right wing propaganda machine.

[RandomGuy]

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As damning as it gets from a guy who oozes professionalism.

Holy fuckballs.

[Spurs Homer]

So

pretty much confirms that barr and trump engaged in a cover up

[boutons_deux]

At the very least this shows one thing we already knew... that Barr is a lying sycophant. He should be removed.

impeach him. Pelosi has already called him a liar for his 4-page summary of Mueller

[boutons_deux]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/4Y60xd4-sSgEtcZ8kU00VDP4kzs=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/YRBHHM2GOBAPLBGPXRFFVNR6TU.jpg

[Spurs Homer]

Trumptards in hiding now :lmao

they are waiting for the official “spin narrative” from the cult

[Spurminator]

Here's why we are "fucked and unfuckable."

Mueller didn't say anything new today that wasn't already said in the report. The AG, the President, and the rest of this administration were able to take advantage of the lazy illiteracy of Congress, the media, and the voters, to spin a complete fabrication about what the report said. The media, even on the "liberal" side, has spent more time reporting on what various actors *said* about the report than what was said *in* the report for everyone to read.

[ducks]

READ: Robert Mueller's full remarks on the special counsel investigation

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/politics/mueller-full-remarks/index.html

So that was the Justice Department policy and those were the principles under which we operated. From them we concluded that we would not reach a determination -- one way or the other -- about whether the President committed a crime.

mueller could not after 2 years with 18 democract laywers so therefore he did not commit a crime!

[Chris]

Relying on Nancy Pelosi now that Mueller told the pitchfork mob to go home :lmao

[ducks]

As damning as it gets from a guy who oozes professionalism.

Holy fuckballs.

where in cnn https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/politics/mueller-full-remarks/index.html full memory report say that!

[ducks]

Never said it was

just pointing out that trump committed crimes - but mueller was not allowed to charge - but crimes were committed


but mueller is trying to hide

he says if congress makes him testify - he will basically just recite his report

fuck that

we need to know;

1) who is following the money - since you were not allowed?
2) did rosenstein/barr stop your investigation?
3) why did you not force trump to testify?
4) trump jr?
5) jareds back channel?

a million others
the 4440 pages is a lot if something was so more important then what he could not put in there then he was a fucking idiot not to put it in there
he has nothing more to say on the matter
MOVE ON

[djohn2oo8]

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nice catch

[TSA]

It seems like just yesterday that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Wikileaks to disseminate the hacked emails Russia had stolen. You stupid fucks are so far down the hole you forgot why you started digging in the first place.

[boutons_deux]

It seems like just yesterday that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Wikileaks to disseminate the hacked emails Russia had stolen. You stupid fucks are so far down the hole you forgot why you started digging in the first place.

"Russia, if you're listening ..."

Dirt from Russians on Hillary? "I Love It"

... after Jr told Trash about the Russian meeting, Trash announced that something was coming.

Trash fired der Vaterland Security team working on national cyber defense, and Bitch McC has shutdown all attempts to increase cybersecurity.

[boutons_deux]

Mueller resigns, now as private citizen, he can speak

[Spurs Homer]

It seems like just yesterday that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Wikileaks to disseminate the hacked emails Russia had stolen. You stupid fucks are so far down the hole you forgot why you started digging in the first place.


mueller today: russians attacked usa elections/stole documents/ disseminated docs to harm a presidential candidate through wikileaks...

trump: “russia , if you are listening”

which part of that are you unclear about?

[TSA]

mueller today: russians attacked usa elections/stole documents/ disseminated docs to harm a presidential candidate through wikileaks...

trump: “russia , if you are listening”

which part of that are you unclear about?

And which part of attacking/stealing/disseminating did Trump/Trump campaign have a part in? Mueller said no part in any of it. In fact Mueller said no AmericanPERIOD.

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

[Spurs Homer]

And which part of attacking/stealing/disseminating did Trump/Trump campaign have a part in? Mueller said no part in any of it. In fact Mueller said no AmericanPERIOD.

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."


1) ”coordination” is not defined as a crime in federal criminal law

2) doj policy - “forbid us from charging a sitting president”

so after rosenstein tied muellers hands

the us constitution says congress must decide

[Pavlov]

TSA deflecting hard today.

[spurraider21]

yep

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278376&p=9782553&viewfull=1#post9782553

[gameFACE]

Ultimately, 45 is going to need a white Bronco to get away in.

[Reck]

Basically he committed crimes but he can't be charged because he is the president. Impeachment is kind of a waste of time, but that is what Mueller just referred to, and I really don't see how they can't go through with proceedings now.

Trump even said it in his tweet.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1133759237136494592

Basically bragging he fucked around but didn't get fully caught. (probably thanks to Russia and their spy ways)

[RandomGuy]

And which part of attacking/stealing/disseminating did Trump/Trump campaign have a part in? Mueller said no part in any of it. In fact Mueller said no AmericanPERIOD.

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

You keep posting this bit you copied and pasted from someone else's work like it means something.

When I argue with creationists who think they understand evolution, they do the exact same thing, i.e. make claims based on an incomplete or mistaken understanding of the topic. You have posted the equivalent of "if we evolved from monkeys whey are there still monkeys, CHECKMATE ATHEIST". :lmao

The actual report gives some very specific and material limitations on what they did and didn't find, that you didn't post here. You won't bother reading the full report to understand it for the same reason that creationists or flat-earthers won't pick up books on science.

You want to keep your delusions, and you know, deep down, that they are delusions. That is why you won't read it, and keep posting the comforting words rather than do the actual work.

You aren't posting the limits Mueller spelled out to his investigation. Why are you hiding those, TSA?

[TSA]

You keep posting this bit you copied and pasted from someone else's work like it means something.

When I argue with creationists who think they understand evolution, they do the exact same thing, i.e. make claims based on an incomplete or mistaken understanding of the topic. You have posted the equivalent of "if we evolved from monkeys whey are there still monkeys, CHECKMATE ATHEIST". :lmao

The actual report gives some very specific and material limitations on what they did and didn't find, that you didn't post here. You won't bother reading the full report to understand it for the same reason that creationists or flat-earthers won't pick up books on science.

You want to keep your delusions, and you know, deep down, that they are delusions. That is why you won't read it, and keep posting the comforting words rather than do the actual work.

You aren't posting the limits Mueller spelled out to his investigation. Why are you hiding those, TSA?

The only delusion people here are the three dipshits, yourself included, that still think the campaign conspired/coordinated/colluded with Russia. You’re too far down the hoax hole to ever recover.

[RandomGuy]

1) ”coordination” is not defined as a crime in federal criminal law

2) doj policy - “forbid us from charging a sitting president”

so after rosenstein tied muellers hands

the us constitution says congress must decide

Rosenstein didn't really tie Mueller's hands. Muellers mandate had to be limited to the confines of the law. Even within those limitations, what they found was still systemic and pervasive collusion. Well over a hundred different contacts of various levels/substance that they know about, including some rather telling datasharing and secret direct meetings. The ultimate problem is that they had to both find a specific law that was broken, and gather enough evidence to base charging decisions on.

"collusion" is not a specific crime.

[boutons_deux]

‘Is it that bad?’

Fox Business host stunned as Napolitano explains Mueller has evidence Trump committed a crime


“Effectively what Bob Mueller said is

we had evidence that he committed a crime

but we couldn’t charge him because he’s the president of the United States,” Napolitano explained.

“This is even stronger than the language in his report.

This is also a parting shot at his soon-to-be former boss, the attorney general,

because this statement is 180 degrees from the four-page statement that Bill Barr issued at the time he first saw the report.”

“Is it that bad?” host Stuart Varney remarked.

“I think so,” Napolitano replied.

“Basically he’s saying the president can’t be indicted, otherwise we would have indicted him and

we’re not going to charge him with a crime because there’s no forum in which for him to refute the charges,

but we could not say that he didn’t commit a crime, fill in the blank, because we believe he did.”

Napolitano also said that the evidence that Mueller provided was

“remarkably similar” to the evidence used against Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

(https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/is-it-that-bad-fox-business-host-stunned-as-napolitano-explains-mueller-has-evidence-trump-committed-a-crime/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=263)https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/is-it-that-bad-fox-business-host-stunned-as-napolitano-explains-mueller-has-evidence-trump-committed-a-crime/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=263

And still Pelosi "investigates" :lol what a fucking farce she is, epitomizing the spineless, gutless Dems, for decades, letting predatory, regressive, destructive Repugs fuck up the country.

[boutons_deux]

A Constitutional Scholar on the Purpose of Impeachment

One of the essential things about impeachment is that it does not have to be based on an actual criminal violation, and

it does not have to track the elements in a federal criminal statute or state criminal statute.

It’s perfectly well within the power of Congress, in particular the House, to

frame impeachment on the basis of things that are not themselves criminal.

a criminal statute violation, like perjury, for example, could be a basis for impeachment,

but

you don’t need the technical criminal violation.

A President lying to the public—that could be a basis for impeachment. :lol

Or a President trying to interfere with an investigation. :lol

Those things could be understood as abuse of power, and

they don’t have to be criminal.

The classic definition of impeachable offense would be a serious abuse of power or serious injury to the Republic.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/a-constitutional-scholar-on-the-purpose-of-impeachment (https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/a-constitutional-scholar-on-the-purpose-of-impeachment)

And still Pelosi dithers. Maybe she's too old, not enough energy to go through with impeachment.

[Spurs Homer]

Rosenstein didn't really tie Mueller's hands. Muellers mandate had to be limited to the confines of the law. Even within those limitations, what they found was still systemic and pervasive collusion. Well over a hundred different contacts of various levels/substance that they know about, including some rather telling datasharing and secret direct meetings. The ultimate problem is that they had to both find a specific law that was broken, and gather enough evidence to base charging decisions on.

"collusion" is not a specific crime.

he did tie his hands;

is trump $$ compromised by foreign govts?
no trump interview to indict him for perjury
no follow the money prosecution
no counter-intel report

[Reck]

I think Pelosi is a backseat driver at this point. There will probably be mutiny within the democratic leadership if they dont act.

[ducks]

Mueller resigns, now as private citizen, he can speak

He will repeat on report he said unless he lies

[RandomGuy]

I think Pelosi is a backseat driver at this point. There will probably be mutiny within the democratic leadership if they dont act.

The closer to the election the better. If he gets impeached and removed, the later you go, the harder it will be for the GOP to get an alternative on the ballot in time for the election.

if he gets impeached and not removed, the more time he spends responding to the proceedings, the less he spends campaigning.

Waiting also allows for time to do the kinds of investigations into his other potential crimes and unconstitutional acts to build a case for removal so strong that some sort of internal rebellion in the GOP happens. Quite a few GOP senators are up for re-election in 2020.

[Mikeanaro]

Trump even said it in his tweet.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1133759237136494592

Basically bragging he fucked around but didn't get fully caught. (probably thanks to Russia and their spy ways)
If after 2 years and a half you cant find any evidence after searching everywhere, after all the supposed ¨russian connections¨ ¨follow the money¨ ¨Cohen is the key¨ and the only thing you got where unfaithful husbands and 12 russians posting stuff on FB, maybe its time to quit.

He is innocent but Demmies cant say it, so to make it short, if there is no evidence he is innocent, sad? thats how things work.

[Winehole23]

https://i.imgur.com/UXqoH8h.jpg

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

Conservative explains why Mueller’s carefully chosen words are incredibly damning for Trump

conservative journalist David Frum, following Mueller’s speech, urges Americans to go back and read the report (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/mueller/590467/) and see for themselves how “damning” of President Donald Trump it is.

During Mueller’s speech, Frum notes, the special counsel said of his report, “We chose those words carefully, and the work speaks for itself.” And, Frum asserts, “the words of the report are damning.”

the special counsel, Frum points out, made that abundantly clear in his report — which states that

“the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion” and

“favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and

disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”

Frum notes that Mueller’s report states that

“the social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations

coincided with a series of contacts

between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.”

And those contacts, Frum adds, “were

covered up by a series of lies, both to the special counsel and to Congress.

Lying by the Trump campaign successfully obscured much of what happened in 2016.”

Frum, quoting Mueller’s report, asserts that Trump did everything he could to undermine the special counsel’s investigation and was “brazen” about it.

“the President engaged in a second phase of conduct,

involving public attacks on the investigation,

non-public efforts to control it, and

efforts in both public and private to encourage witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/conservative-explains-why-muellers-carefully-chosen-words-are-incredibly-damning-for-trump/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/conservative-explains-why-muellers-carefully-chosen-words-are-incredibly-damning-for-trump/)

[Mitch]

:lol botox & John still taking bites out of a turd burger together.

[Winehole23]

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[TSA]

:lol botox & John still taking bites out of a turd burger together.

There’s actually four of them elbow to elbow sharing that turd burger :lol

[boutons_deux]

Adam Schiff Puts Barr On Hot Seat And Delivers A Chilling Message To Trump


First and foremost, I want to thank Robert Mueller for his lifetime of public service, not just as Special Counsel, but also as a Marine, at the Department of Justice, and as FBI Director. Only someone of his caliber and integrity could have conducted an investigation of this importance in such a fair and impartial way.

Mueller confirmed today that Russia engaged in multiple systematic efforts to interfere in the 2016 election and the U.S. political system, and underscored that this ‘deserves the attention of every American.’ These facts are indisputable, spelled out in great detail in his report, and lay bare the sinister and sophisticated nature of Russia’s attack.

Despite the president’s ‘no collusion’ mantra, Mueller in fact found countless contacts between Russian officials and agents, and Trump campaign associates.

These communications and actions were deeply compromising, and

raise serious counterintelligence concerns that the Committee must follow.

Perhaps most damning of all,

Mueller found that Trump and his campaign sought to benefit from a hostile foreign intelligence operation.

The Special Counsel determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy, but this

should not inure us to how unethical and corrupt these actions were and how they undermined our national security.
Finally, in a direct rebuke of Attorney General William Barr—who deliberately and repeatedly misled the American people

—Mueller today confirmed that he was unable to consider criminal charges of obstruction of justice against the President specifically because of Department of Justice policy prohibiting the indictment of a sitting president.

Mueller reiterated that ‘if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.’

Instead, he made clear that, because of the Department’s own policy, it is left it to Congress—not the Attorney General—to evaluate and further investigate the president’s misconduct.

We look forward to Mueller’s testimony before Congress.

While I understand his reluctance to answer hypotheticals or deviate from the carefully worded conclusions he drew on his charging decisions,

there are, nevertheless, a great many questions he can answer that go beyond the report,

including any counterintelligence issues and classified matters that were not addressed in his findings.
The Congress has a constitutional duty to hold the president accountable and ensure that our democratic system is not influenced or attacked by foreign adversaries.

We will continue to do both because no one is above the law, not even the President of the United States.

Adam Schiff isn’t letting William Barr off of the hook for his lies about the Mueller report,

there are counterintelligence components to investigate that remain under-discussed.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/29/adam-schiff-barr-trump.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/29/adam-schiff-barr-trump.html)

[boutons_deux]

Mueller Stirs Controversy by Urging Americans to Read

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5ceeee3f9f527716fd141ce6/master/w_1626,c_limit/Borowitz-Mueller.jpg

WASHINGTON —The special counsel Robert Mueller ignited a firestorm of controversy on Wednesday by recommending that millions of Americans read.

Mueller, seemingly oblivious to the uproar he was about to create, repeatedly commented that

there was valuable information available to the American people only by reading a long book.
At the White House, sources said that Donald J.

Trump was furious about Mueller’s statement because

he interpreted the special counsel’s pro-reading message as a thinly veiled attack on him.
Speaking to reporters later, on the White House lawn, Trump made it clear that Mueller’s exhortation to read had fallen on deaf ears.

“I’ve never read any of my books, and I certainly don’t intend to read his,” Trump said.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mueller-stirs-controversy-by-urging-americans-to-read (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mueller-stirs-controversy-by-urging-americans-to-read)

[TSA]

Adam Schiff Puts Barr On Hot Seat And Delivers A Chilling Message To Trump


First and foremost, I want to thank Robert Mueller for his lifetime of public service, not just as Special Counsel, but also as a Marine, at the Department of Justice, and as FBI Director. Only someone of his caliber and integrity could have conducted an investigation of this importance in such a fair and impartial way.

Mueller confirmed today that Russia engaged in multiple systematic efforts to interfere in the 2016 election and the U.S. political system, and underscored that this ‘deserves the attention of every American.’ These facts are indisputable, spelled out in great detail in his report, and lay bare the sinister and sophisticated nature of Russia’s attack.

Despite the president’s ‘no collusion’ mantra, Mueller in fact found countless contacts between Russian officials and agents, and Trump campaign associates.

These communications and actions were deeply compromising, and

raise serious counterintelligence concerns that the Committee must follow.

Perhaps most damning of all,

Mueller found that Trump and his campaign sought to benefit from a hostile foreign intelligence operation.

The Special Counsel determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy, but this

should not inure us to how unethical and corrupt these actions were and how they undermined our national security.
Finally, in a direct rebuke of Attorney General William Barr—who deliberately and repeatedly misled the American people

—Mueller today confirmed that he was unable to consider criminal charges of obstruction of justice against the President specifically because of Department of Justice policy prohibiting the indictment of a sitting president.

Mueller reiterated that ‘if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.’

Instead, he made clear that, because of the Department’s own policy, it is left it to Congress—not the Attorney General—to evaluate and further investigate the president’s misconduct.

We look forward to Mueller’s testimony before Congress.

While I understand his reluctance to answer hypotheticals or deviate from the carefully worded conclusions he drew on his charging decisions,

there are, nevertheless, a great many questions he can answer that go beyond the report,

including any counterintelligence issues and classified matters that were not addressed in his findings.
The Congress has a constitutional duty to hold the president accountable and ensure that our democratic system is not influenced or attacked by foreign adversaries.

We will continue to do both because no one is above the law, not even the President of the United States.

Adam Schiff isn’t letting William Barr off of the hook for his lies about the Mueller report,

there are counterintelligence components to investigate that remain under-discussed.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/29/adam-schiff-barr-trump.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/29/adam-schiff-barr-trump.html)



https://mobile.twitter.com/jneeley78/status/1133880637239304193

[Reck]

1133875542296539138

Country is stronger and safer when literally there is a school shooting every 2 weeks.

[Reck]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jneeley78/status/1133880637239304193

Talk about splitting hairs.

Trump wasn't charged because of DOJ policy. The end, TSA.

[Nbadan]

1133875542296539138


:lol

[ducks]

To date, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has held off the increasing number of voices within the House Democratic caucus calling for impeachment, insisting that Trump wants to be impeached because it will turn him into a victim and allow him to make the election about alleged Democratic overreach rather than about health care, immigration and so on.
It's a sound political stance -- one reinforced by CNN polling that shows that almost 6 in 10 Americans don't want to see Trump impeached and more than 4 in 10 who think Democrats have already done too much investigating of the President.

[Pavlov]

To date, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has held off the increasing number of voices within the House Democratic caucus calling for impeachment, insisting that Trump wants to be impeached because it will turn him into a victim and allow him to make the election about alleged Democratic overreach rather than about health care, immigration and so on.
It's a sound political stance -- one reinforced by CNN polling that shows that almost 6 in 10 Americans don't want to see Trump impeached and more than 4 in 10 who think Democrats have already done too much investigating of the President.He's pretty much neutered outside of SCOTUS appointments at this point.

Let him rot where he is.

[ducks]

Dude he is getttinf re-elected

[Pavlov]

Dude he is getttinf re-electedIt's possible. If you want to keep that shit stain, that's your prerogative.

[UnWantedTheory]

Talk about splitting hairs.

Trump wasn't charged because of DOJ policy. The end, TSA.

Seriously. They know what he did, they just don't care. I would respect them more if these tards just came out and told the truth about how they are happy he is getting away with everything.

[spurraider21]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jneeley78/status/1133880637239304193
lol they wouldn't be allowed to say the first one because of the fairness doctrine, which is something I had previously addressed here and that mueller reiterated during his presser.

the special counsel's office was not allowed to allege that the president committed a crime. saying "we would have charged him, but did not because of the OLC opinion" would be tantamout to alleging that the president committed a crime

instead, they only went so far as to say that he isn't exonerated, and otherwise laid out their factual findings. its only up to the house to allege that a crime was committed (via articles of impeachment)

[djohn2oo8]

1134066371510378501

Guilty conscience just admitted Russia helped him

[Spurs Homer]

1134066371510378501

Guilty conscience just admitted Russia helped him

and he and his cult is ok with that

and they are ok if russia helps again

and ok that he is a russian asset

[Spurs Homer]

I never bought into the lie that trump

”wants”

to be impeached...

trump just melted down over the “dirty word”

“impeachment”

crofl