Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

[RandomGuy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/mueller-report-release.html

arch 22, 2019

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WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has delivered a report on his inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election to Attorney General William P. Barr, according to the Justice Department, bringing to an apparent close an investigation that has consumed the nation and cast a shadow over President Trump for nearly two years.

Mr. Barr will decide how much of the report to share with Congress and, by extension, the American public. The House voted unanimously in March on a nonbinding resolution to make public the report’s findings, an indication of the deep support within both parties to air whatever evidence prosecutors uncovered.

[TSA]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/mueller-report-release.html

arch 22, 2019

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WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has delivered a report on his inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election to Attorney General William P. Barr, according to the Justice Department, bringing to an apparent close an investigation that has consumed the nation and cast a shadow over President Trump for nearly two years.

Mr. Barr will decide how much of the report to share with Congress and, by extension, the American public. The House voted unanimously in March on a nonbinding resolution to make public the report’s findings, an indication of the deep support within both parties to air whatever evidence prosecutors uncovered.

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:lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Principal “conclusions” revealed this weekend

trump already moved goalposts earlier this morning by saying his

”obstruction of justice”

was just “defending himself”

lolol

[koriwhat]

Principal “conclusions” revealed this weekend

trump already moved goalposts earlier this morning by saying his

”obstruction of justice”

was just “defending himself”

lolol

here come the excuses by the party of retards.

[Spurs Homer]

here come the excuses by the party of retards.

what excuses

no one has been cleared you idiot

[koriwhat]

what excuses

no one has been cleared you idiot

i'm just sitting here waiting for you to start balling ya big crybaby... :cry

[spurraider21]

no new indictments? what a damn shame. i thought rice, obama, podesta were getting nailed for sure

after all, mueller's master plan was to work with trump to pwn the libs

[Pavlov]

no new indictments? what a damn shame. i thought rice, obama, podesta were getting nailed for sure

after all, mueller's master plan was to work with trump to pwn the libs:lmao

Poor TSA

[RandomGuy]

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:lmao

report has wrapped up, that doens't mean that the other investigations that have been spawned have concluded. You may be a bit premature here.

[djohn2oo8]

no new indictments? what a damn shame. i thought rice, obama, podesta were getting nailed for sure

after all, mueller's master plan was to work with trump to pwn the libs
Lol. But Mueller wouldn’t leak anything about pending indictments or referredcases

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

report has wrapped up, that doens't mean that the other investigations that have been spawned have concluded. You may be a bit premature here.

yep, Mueller has spawned maybe dozens of other investigations, and Dem Congress will respond to Mueller's report by launching even more investigations.

not indicting Trash, doesn't mean Muellers hasn't found Trash guilty, just the Mueller is respecting the controversial idea that a sitting Pres cannot be indicted.

I expect Trash will end up before a grand jury, just like Slick Willy, which SCOTUS has ruled is perfectly Constitutional.

[spurraider21]

marshal of the supreme court arresting trump in 3, 2, 1...

[Dick Jones]

no new indictments? what a damn shame. i thought rice, obama, podesta were getting nailed for sure

after all, mueller's master plan was to work with trump to pwn the libs
:lmao

[Dick Jones]

https://twitter.com/anacabrera/status/1109210881001443332?s=21

[DarrinS]

womp womp

[TSA]

report has wrapped up, that doens't mean that the other investigations that have been spawned have concluded. You may be a bit premature here.

None of those have ANYTHING to do with the Russian collusion conspiracy you pushed for the last 3 years.

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:lmao

[TSA]

Lol. But Mueller wouldn’t leak anything about pending indictments or referredcases


1109210881001443332

:lmao time to pay up faggot

[TSA]

Lol. But Mueller wouldn’t leak anything about pending indictments or referredcases


1109210881001443332

:lmao time to pay up faggot

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:lmao

[TSA]

1109210881001443332

:lmao time to pay up faggot

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:lmao

[Reck]

I am praying for my boy djohn.

Any chance of Trump getting impeached died with democrats actually losing senate seats.

I'm curious to still read det report though.

[Chris]

I'm curious to still read det report though.

You won't :lol

[RandomGuy]

Few have actually seen the report yet. Should be interesting.

[Reck]

You won't :lol

We will. DOJ already stated they expect to release it.

[TSA]

I am praying for my boy djohn.


Praying won’t do him any good, but setting up a gofundme for him would be helpful.

[Chris]

We will. DOJ already stated they expect to release it.

You're going to get cliff notes from Kyle Griffin and Brian Krassenstein :lol

[TSA]

I wonder which of the Russiagate conspiracy theory pushers will be the first to admit they were completely duped by the MSM’s full push to damage Trump in hopes of impeachment. Zero indictments for colluding with Russia. Which one of you actually has the balls to do it?

[Reck]

You're going to get cliff notes from Kyle Griffin and Brian Krassenstein :lol

So you seriously dont want to read it? To see if Trump is actually innocent or is but being president afforded him to skate charges. :lol Chrissy never change.

[TSA]

So you seriously dont want to read it? To see if Trump is actually innocent or is but being president afforded him to skate charges. :lol Chrissy never change.

Another Russiagate pusher throwing Mueller under the bus :lol

[Reck]

Another Russiagate pusher throwing Mueller under the bus :lol

How am I doing that?

:lol Wanting to read a report=throwing Mueller under the bus. You got dumber during my absence. Somehow

Is highly amusing seeing you jumping up and down without seeing what's in this report. It happens all the time with you. Pre-ejaculator.

[TSA]

How am I doing that?

:lol Wanting to read a report=throwing Mueller under the bus. You got dumber during my absence. Somehow

Is highly amusing seeing you jumping up and down without seeing what's in this report. It happens all the time with you. Pre-ejaculator.

You threw Mueller right under the bus when you said you’d need to read the report first to see if Trump was actually innocent. No one was indicted for Russian collusion you dipshit. Welcome back dunce, terrible timing btw.

[hater]

:lmao

Russiagaters :lmao

[DarrinS]

Lol

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[hater]

Dsnowflake2008 on suicide watch

[TSA]

:lmao

Russiagaters :lmao


Hope you are enjoying some CNN panels right now :bobo

Maddow will be all time :lol

[Winehole23]

You're going to get cliff notes from Kyle Griffin and Brian Krassenstein :lolwho do you like to crib from, magpie?

[TSA]

Lol

1109049236572856322


:rollin

[Winehole23]

No indictments.

CALLED IT.

[Winehole23]

Trump not out of the woods though.

[Pavlov]

I wonder which of the Russiagate conspiracy theory pushers will be the first to admit they were completely duped by the MSM’s full push to damage Trump in hopes of impeachment. Zero indictments for colluding with Russia. Which one of you actually has the balls to do it?:lol you could never admit you were completely duped by pizza, Q and grocer conspiracy theories. You have no balls whatsoever.

[Reck]

You threw Mueller right under the bus when you said you’d need to read the report first to see if Trump was actually innocent. No one was indicted for Russian collusion you dipshit. Welcome back dunce, terrible timing btw.

What an idiot.

Trump could still be guilty of some shit but couldn’t be indicted because of some DOJ guidance. Essentially he lucked out if that’s the case.

My timing was fine. I decided to come precisely to talk about the report. Lol

[Winehole23]

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[TSA]

:lol you could never admit you were completely duped by pizza, Q and grocer conspiracy theories. You have no balls whatsoever.

Hey stupid fuck, what’s it say right under my username?

And to try to compare those conspiracy theories to a conspiracy theory pushed 24/7 for three years by the MSM that duped 10’s of millions of people including yourself is some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever read.

You along with 10’s of millions more have to face the fact that you fell victim to the largest conspiracy theory our country has ever seen. How does that make you feel?

[TSA]

What an idiot.

Trump could still be guilty of some shit but couldn’t be indicted because of some DOJ guidance. Essentially he lucked out if that’s the case.

My timing was fine. I decided to come precisely to talk about the report. Lol


Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia. They weren’t protected by any DOJ guidance.
It appears you just came back to get shit on :lol

[Pavlov]

Hey stupid fuck, what’s it say right under my username?You didn't say you were completely duped.

By pizza.

By Q.

By Cat Stevens mind control.

By grocers.

By SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSS SBBBBBBBBBBYYYYYYYY.

Until you come to terms with those and all the rest, you can't criticize anyone.

Ever.

How does it feel?

lol stupid fuck

[Pavlov]

I admit I was led to believe members of the Trump campaign may have colluded with Russia because members of the Trump campaign admitted they tried to collude with Russia.

Go figure.

[TSA]

You didn't say you were completely duped.

By pizza.

By Q.

By Cat Stevens mind control.

By grocers.

By SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSS SBBBBBBBBBBYYYYYYYY.

Until you come to terms with those and all the rest, you can't criticize anyone.

Ever.

How does it feel?

lol

I feel great Pavlov, thanks for asking. As long as you are posting on this board I’ll contimue to criticize and mock you for believing in the largest bullshit conspiracy theory ever pushed in the history of the United States of America. You’ll continue to deflect like you’re doing right now but I don’t give a shit, I know how broken you feel right now and it gives me pleasure.

[DarrinS]

Angry Pav :lol

[TSA]

Angry Pav :lol

poor fella

[DarrinS]

poor fella

He may need to take the weekend off

Again

[ducks]

Adam Schiff rejects reports that Mueller indictments are over, says special counsel could be called to testify
Lol adam

[ducks]

What an idiot.

Trump could still be guilty of some shit but couldn’t be indicted because of some DOJ guidance. Essentially he lucked out if that’s the case.

My timing was fine. I decided to come precisely to talk about the report. Lol
Lucked out with 13 heavy democract lawyers that that hate trump
Guts

Lol at excuses

[ducks]

I think it’s entirely possible if not likely that there will be other indictments

— House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff

What drug has he been on

[Spurs Homer]

I admit I was led to believe members of the Trump campaign may have colluded with Russia because members of the Trump campaign admitted they tried to collude with Russia.

Go figure.


They did. No one knows what is on the report and Barr will try to cover for Trump as long as possible.
But it will come out eventually.

Trump lied about the Trump tower mtg, created a false statement about it. Trump encouraged a foreign power in public view to hack into HRC's emails (felony) and openly obstructed justice.

There is zero chance this report does not condemn Trump for these acts. This report might end up being the
"impeachment" report.

[hater]

Hope you are enjoying some CNN panels right now :bobo

Maddow will be all time :lol

Just tuned in thanks niga :lol

George Acosta is on:lmao

[ducks]

Lol you get off the crack

[ducks]

They did. No one knows what is on the report and Barr will try to cover for Trump as long as possible.
But it will come out eventually.

Trump lied about the Trump tower mtg, created a false statement about it. Trump encouraged a foreign power in public view to hack into HRC's emails (felony) and openly obstructed justice.

There is zero chance this report does not condemn Trump for these acts. This report might end up being the
"impeachment" report.
Lol you get off the crack

[ducks]

If they got trump for anything
They would be after jr and they add not

[Spurs Homer]

We've seen these pre-ejac things before...

and then


the hiding when the facts come out


:cry:cry

[Pavlov]

I feel great Pavlov, thanks for asking. As long as you are posting on this board I’ll contimue to criticize and mock you for believing in the largest bullshit conspiracy theory ever pushed in the history of the United States of America.That was you and pizzaQ.

Sorry, TSA.

[Pavlov]

Angry Pav :lol:lol DerpinS

[boutons_deux]

Mueller's gambit may be that he's filling the report with all kinds of leads, leaving it up to Dem House to go after Trash and his mafiya, drag Trash into a GJ.

And we'll see how NY, NJ AGs, SDNY, who were all probably letting Mueller go first, file their indictments.

[Chris]

"Mueller's gambit" :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1109232355020025856

[TSA]

That was you and pizzaQ.

Sorry, TSA.


You’ll continue to deflect like you’re doing right now but I don’t give a shit, I know how broken you feel right now and it gives me pleasure.

[TSA]

Mueller's gambit may be that he's filling the report with all kinds of leads, leaving it up to Dem House to go after Trash and his mafiya, drag Trash into a GJ.

And we'll see how NY, NJ AGs, SDNY, who were all probably letting Mueller go first, file their indictments.

:lmao

[DarrinS]

Some kind of funeral on CNN :lmao

[Reck]

Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia. They weren’t protected by any DOJ guidance.
It appears you just came back to get shit on :lol

Another of your terrible schtick. Claim false victories and talk on shitting on people. (A TSA theme)

I dont have to explain anything. The people who needed to get indicted...got indicted according to Mueller. 30+ of them.

The only thing you're doing in backing yourself into a corner (Also a TSA recurrence theme) without actually having read what the report says.

[TSA]

Another of your terrible schtick. Claim false victories and talk on shitting on people. (A TSA theme)

I dont have to explain anything. The people who needed to get indicted...got indicted according to Mueller. 30+ of them.

The only thing you're doing in backing yourself into a corner (Also a TSA recurrence theme) without actually having read what the report says.

Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia or just back away from your claim and continue to roll around in your own shit.

[Reck]

Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia or just back away from your claim and continue to roll around in your own shit.

Did I ever say people would be indicted for colluding with Russia? I settled for a Trump impeachment.

I never thought Trump was ever going to see a prison cell.

[Pavlov]

:lol "broken"

TSA has been broken since pizza and now he thinks he can live it down.

[hater]

Rachell Madcock is on niggas. :lmao :lol

[TSA]

Did I ever say people would be indicted for colluding with Russia? I settled for a Trump impeachment.

I never thought Trump was ever going to see a prison cell.

You said you’d need to read the report first to see if Trump was actually innocent. You threw Mueller under the bus.

[hater]

She's just reading random sentences right now :lol

[TSA]

:lol "broken"

TSA has been broken since pizza and now he thinks he can live it down.



You’ll continue to deflect like you’re doing right now but I don’t give a shit, I know how broken you feel right now and it gives me pleasure.

[TSA]

Rachell Madcock is on niggas. :lmao :lol


:lmao :bobo

[Pavlov]

Did I ever say people would be indicted for colluding with Russia?How big a win can it possibly be for TSA if he has to immediately lie about it?

[hater]

Damn this crazy Madcow bitch is basically ignoring Mueller report :wow

:lmao

[Reck]

You said you’d need to read the report first to see if Trump was actually innocent. You threw Mueller under the bus.

That's not throwing anyone under the bus. lol

That's wanting to know if the man actually committed some type of crime but cant be indicted because he's president. I'm more than ok with what Mueller did overall.

Yet you still think he was part of some dark and twisted plot to take down Trump. :lol

[hater]

Who the hell watches this maddow psycho on a regular basis????

Got damn there's sick ppl like that???

[Winehole23]

So tell me again how Mueller was a dirty cop out to get Trump...

[Winehole23]

Mueller good now?

[TSA]

That's not throwing anyone under the bus. lol

That's wanting to know if the man actually committed some type of crime but cant be indicted because he's president.

Which brings us to this again. Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia. They weren’t protected by any DOJ guidance.

[hater]

Mueller good now?

Mueller was great tbqh.

Props to him and it's gonna b hilarious to see snowflakes turn on him :lmao

[Pavlov]

Who's turning on Mueller?

[TSA]

That's not throwing anyone under the bus. lol

That's wanting to know if the man actually committed some type of crime but cant be indicted because he's president.

Which brings us right back to this again. Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia. They weren’t protected by any DOJ guidance.

[Reck]

Which brings us to this again. Explain then how no one else was indicted for conspiring with Russia. They weren’t protected by any DOJ guidance.

Post #68 in this thread, guy.

[TSA]

Post #68 in this thread, guy.

Why are pointing out a post where you refuse to explain yourself? :lol

[TSA]

So tell me again how Mueller was a dirty cop out to get Trump...


Tell me again how Trump and his campaign collided with Russia

[Pavlov]

Post #68 in this thread, guy.Now we find that TSA can indefinitely kick his conspiracy theory cans down the road but apparently people who aren't pro-Trump can't.

[Chris]

Who the hell watches this maddow psycho on a regular basis????

Got damn there's sick ppl like that???

My mother and father both watch Madcow and LOVE it :lol

[TSA]

Now we find that TSA can indefinitely kick his conspiracy theory cans down the road but apparently people who aren't pro-Trump can't.

The Russian collusion conspiracy is dead. There is no can to kick down the road you stupid fuck.

[Pavlov]

The Russian collusion conspiracy is dead. There is no can to kick down the road you stupid fuck.:lol TSA is so angry


I thought you said this was your great victory until you immediately started lying about it.

[TSA]

Did I ever say people would be indicted for colluding with Russia?How many examples do you need from djohn’s thread? :lol

[TSA]

How big a win can it possibly be for TSA if he has to immediately lie about it?

What did I lie about? Are you claiming Reck has never said such?

[Pavlov]

What did I lie about? Are you claiming Reck has never said such?You immediately lied about what I said. Why wouldn't you like about Reck?

[TSA]

:lol TSA is so angry


I thought you said this was your great victory until you immediately started lying about it.

Reduced to deflection and projection.

poor fella is broken.

[Pavlov]

Reduced to deflection and projection.

poor fella is broken.No, you lied.

Like always.

Poor fella has been broken since Cat Stevens.

[TSA]

You immediately lied about what I said. Why wouldn't you like about Reck?

I don’t know what you are talking about concerning yourself, nice attempt at a narrative shift. You quoted Reck. What did I lie about concerning Reck?

[Pavlov]

I don’t know what you are talking aboutYou lied.

You lie.

You already know that.

Poor fella.

[ducks]

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews livid over Mueller report: ‘How could they let Trump off the hook?’

[TSA]

You lied.

You lie.

You already know that.

Poor fella.

I have no clue what you’re talking about and refuse to let you shift the narrative. Answer the question pussy. No one forced you to quote Reck and run your gums.

What did I lie about concerning Reck?

[DarrinS]

Fun weekend for Pavslob

[ducks]

NBC News national security reporter Ken Dilanian responded by telling Matthews that Trump couldn’t be indicted “in a criminal sense” since Mueller’s office “didn’t have it,” adding that the president “couldn’t conspire with himself.”

“Maybe he missed the boat here,” Matthews responded. “Because we know about the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016, we know about the meeting at the cigar bar with Kilimnik. My God, we know about all of those meetings with Kislyak at the Republican convention in Cleveland. All these dots we’re now to believe don’t connect.”

[Pavlov]

I have no clue what you’re talking about and refuse to let you shift the narrative. Answer the question pussy. No one forced you to quote Reck and run your gums.

What did I lie about concerning Reck?I said why wouldn't you lie?

You haven't showed anything he said yet. I'll just assume you're lying about what he said too.

Feel free to prove your claim.

[Reck]

How many examples do you need from djohn’s thread? :lol

Then post 'em. If I did, then so be it. But I personally dont think I ever said this or that person is going to prison for colluding with Russia.

[ducks]

Then post 'em. If I did, then so be it. But I personally dont think I ever said this or that person is going to prison for colluding with Russia.
How can you recall you so stoned now

[TSA]

I said why wouldn't you lie?That’s a lie.


How big a win can it possibly be for TSA if he has to immediately lie about it?

You’re pathetic.

[TSA]

Then post 'em. If I did, then so be it. But I personally dont think I ever said this or that person is going to prison for colluding with Russia.



Trump is moving to fire Mueller before he can indict Jared. :lol

[Pavlov]

That’s a lie.



You’re pathetic.Prove your claim.

It's not like you haven't lied before.

[DMC]

Ms Chumpy on a bender tonight, full tilt.

[Avant]

Prove your claim.

It's not like you haven't lied before.

Pavlov, my God guy, what really is wrong with you guy? See I told you you bug everybody not just me......WHY?????

[TSA]

Prove your claim.

It's not like you haven't lied before.

You just lied. It’s right there for everyone to see. You’re pathetic.

[TSA]

Ms Chumpy on a bender tonight, full tilt.


It’s more pathetic than djohn going dark

[Pavlov]

You just lied. It’s right there for everyone to see. You’re pathetic.So you can't prove your claim?

Looks like you lied.

Again.

For everyone to see.

[Pavlov]

Ms Chumpy on a bender tonight, full tilt.DerpMC's made up narratives going full tilt.

[Reck]

I said why wouldn't you lie?

You haven't showed anything he said yet. I'll just assume you're lying about what he said too.

Feel free to prove your claim.

I thought the same. Even gave him like an hour for him to get my said posts and he came up with nada.

[TSA]

So you can't prove your claim?

Looks like you lied.

Again.

For everyone to see.

I already did. You were just too flustered to see it.

I didn’t lie.

I proved my claim.

You lied. Everyone saw it.

You’re broken dude. Time to retire the Pavlov account like you said you would, or just lie again and keep posting from this alt.

[TSA]

I thought the same. Even gave him like an hour for him to get my said posts and he came up with nada.


I already did. Unlike Pavlov being too flustered to see it you were just too stupid to see it.

[Pavlov]

I thought the same. Even gave him like an hour for him to get my said posts and he came up with nada.That's what I can't figure out about Trumpistas like TSA and DMC and Darrin and Derp and Chris.

No matter how many times they declare victory and bask in vicarious Trump glory, they ALWAYS have to make shit up about the other side, politicians and posters alike.

If they're doing so great, why can't they just enjoy it? Something deep inside them forces them to go det extra mile into complete bullshit.

[TSA]

That's what I can't figure out about Trumpistas like TSA and DMC and Darrin and Derp and Chris.

No matter how many times they declare victory and bask in vicarious Trump glory, they ALWAYS have to make shit up about the other side, politicians and posters alike.

If they're doing so great, why can't they just enjoy it? Something deep inside them forces them to go det extra mile into complete bullshit.

You’re a liar and Reck is stupid. That isn’t making shit up about either of you.

[Reck]

Me saying Trump is moving to fire Mueller before indicting Jared has nothing do to with Russia collusion.

Or does it? I dont know, TSA was too chickenshit to post the quote directly without the context so we dont know where it's even coming from.

:lol Unspecified thread.

[Pavlov]

You’re a liar and Reck is stupid. That isn’t making shit up about either of you.You said Hillary is a child trafficker and some random guy on Instagram fucks infants.

You're a liar and you're stupid.

[DarrinS]

That's what I can't figure out about Trumpistas like TSA and DMC and Darrin and Derp and Chris.

No matter how many times they declare victory and bask in vicarious Trump glory, they ALWAYS have to make shit up about the other side, politicians and posters alike.

If they're doing so great, why can't they just enjoy it? Something deep inside them forces them to go det extra mile into complete bullshit.


Just let it all out. This is a safe space. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Me saying Trump is moving to fire Mueller before indicting Jared has nothing do to with Russia collusion.

Or does it? I dont know, TSA was too chickenshit to post the quote directly without the context so we dont know where it's even coming from.

:lol Unspecified thread.If he says Jared all you have to say is Susan Rice.

[DarrinS]

If he says Jared all you have to say is Susan Rice.

But, what about...?

[Pavlov]

Just let it all out. This is a safe space. :lmaoQuestion pending.

That's another problem you have for some reason in this safe space.:lmao

[Pavlov]

But, what about...?Did you miss the Susan Rice conspiracy theory, Derpin?

[Reck]

You said Hillary is a child trafficker and some random guy on Instagram fucks infants.

You're a liar and you're stupid.

Also on the record saying Hillary WOULD get indicted. :lol

Basically he's accusing me of saying something he said himself and calling me stupid for it. And for kicks, I can actually post quotes with reciepts. :lol



She'll be indicted after receiving the nomination and then the Democrats will throw out a Biden/Warren ticket giving Obama the third term he's always wanted.

[Chris]

Also on the record saying Hillary WOULD get indicted. :lol

Basically he's accusing me of saying something he said himself and calling me stupid for it. And for kicks, I can actually post quotes with reciepts. :lol

Hillary and her foundation are under investigation. : )

[Pavlov]

Hillary and her foundation are under investigation. : )That's not even what is happening. : )

[Reck]

Hillary and her foundation are under investigation. : )

Cool.

And?

[Pavlov]

Also on the record saying Hillary WOULD get indicted. :lol

Basically he's accusing me of saying something he said himself and calling me stupid for it. And for kicks, I can actually post quotes with reciepts. :lol:lol your link works.

[TSA]

Me saying Trump is moving to fire Mueller before indicting Jared has nothing do to with Russia collusion.

Or does it? I dont know, TSA was too chickenshit to post the quote directly without the context so we dont know where it's even coming from.

:lol Unspecified thread.

This is why I always call you stupid. You meant with the context, but you were too stupid to put the thought from you brain to the fingers on your keyboard. If you want the context find the post. You were responding to djohn about transition emails Mueller had.

[Pavlov]

:cryFind it yourself!:cry

:lol

[DarrinS]

Did you miss the Susan Rice conspiracy theory, Derpin?

Writing a CYA memo "to file", saying you did everything "by the book". Who DOESN'T do that on their way out?

[Reck]

This is why I always call you stupid. You meant with the context, but you were too stupid to put the thought from you brain to the fingers on your keyboard. If you want the context find the post. You were responding to djohn about transition emails Mueller had.

Why would I rummage through thousands of posts just to please your dumbass? you brought it up. You post it.

Oh wait, you cant.

:lol Cant even work a forum.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1109276211341987845

Herr Davi

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1109276211341987845

Herr Davi

Whatever happened to your icon James Woods?

[Chris]

Whatever happened to your icon James Woods?

He's doing great actually. Quite the following and posts hilarious stuff. : )

[Pavlov]

Writing a CYA memo "to file", saying you did everything "by the book". Who DOESN'T do that on their way out?:lol What's YOUR Susan Rice conspiracy theory?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1109284207090679808

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1109260785363152896

Chris Matthews is pissed! :lol

[DarrinS]

:lol What's YOUR Susan Rice conspiracy theory?

Same person who went on multiple news shows saying Benghazi was caused by a hateful Yohtube video?

I don't have a specific conspiracy theory about her, but I bet she knows a lot of embarrassing shit.

[Pavlov]

Same person who went on multiple news shows saying Benghazi was caused by a hateful Yohtube video?

I don't have a specific conspiracy theory about her, but I bet she knows a lot of embarrassing shit.:lmao general other team conspiracy theory

[TSA]

The funniest/saddest part about all the Russiagate pushers here isn’t that a single one won’t admit they were dead fucking wrong for three years but that they haven’t said they are relieved their President wasn’t compromised by Russia.
True fucking Patriots :lol

[ElNono]

The funniest/saddest part about all the Russiagate pushers here isn’t that a single one won’t admit they were dead fucking wrong for three years but that they haven’t said they are relieved their President wasn’t compromised by Russia.
True fucking Patriots :lol

why would they say that without knowing what the report says?

[Winehole23]

Um, not bringing charges doesn't prove things one way or the other.

[ElNono]

Um, not bringing charges doesn't prove things one way or the other.

pretty much, well, except for the people that ran their mouth saying Mueller could/would indict the president or his family...

[Chris]

pretty much, well, except for the people that ran their mouth saying Mueller could/would indict the president or his family...

Good thing you're separating yourself from those crazies :tu Lord knows you knew all along.

[ElNono]

Good thing you're separating yourself from those crazies :tu Lord knows you knew all along.

It's in my post history, tbh

[DarrinS]

The funniest/saddest part about all the Russiagate pushers here isn’t that a single one won’t admit they were dead fucking wrong for three years but that they haven’t said they are relieved their President wasn’t compromised by Russia.
True fucking Patriots :lol

They don't really care about that
They just hate drumpf

[TSA]

why would they say that without knowing what the report says?

Because ZERO Americans were indicted for colluding with Russia. Do you think Mueller has proof some did and just sat on it and didn’t indict?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Solmemes1/status/1109287100699078657

[Chris]

Because ZERO Americans were indicted for colluding with Russia. Do you think Mueller has proof some did and just sat on it and didn’t indict?

He thinks the DOJ and Congress are going to POUNCE! :lol

[Pavlov]

why would they say that without knowing what the report says?:lmao TSA never gave a shit about Russian interference or the US one bit.

[ElNono]

Because ZERO Americans were indicted for colluding with Russia. Do you think Mueller has proof some did and just sat on it and didn’t indict?

His job was to investigate. The DOJ and Congress, if necessary, should be the ones to indict based on the report.

During the course of the investigation, he found other crimes, and as is his duty, he referred them for prosecution.

I don't know what's so complicated about this, tbh. IIRC, we explained the procedure a while ago.

[ElNono]

He thinks the DOJ and Congress are going to POUNCE! :lol

Quote? Link? Making stuff up again :lmao

[Chris]

So far, looks like everything is proceeding as it should. Now it's time for the DOJ or Congress to act or not based on the report.

[ElNono]

Exactly, where does it says they're going to POUND?

[ElNono]

Oh wait, it doesn't

[ElNono]

Oh shit, making stuff up again... fake news!

[Chris]

Exactly, where does it says they're going to POUND?

lol pound

[TSA]

:lmao TSA never gave a shit about Russian interference or the US one bit.

poor fella can’t stop lying tonight. Sad.

I didn’t know who would take the revelation of no collusion harder, djohn or you. Thank you for making it perfectly clear.

[ElNono]

lol pound

lol grammar backpedal

[Chris]

lol grammar backpedal

lol "everything is proceeding as it should"

lol "nows it's time for DOJ and Congress!"

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2UDGmxWoAAgGSU.jpg:large

[Winehole23]

It's hardly unheard of for CI investigations to forego prosecution because information required for conviction would compromise national security.

Just spitballing, if in fact a foreign country had compromised high officials in government, revealing that we knew might endanger ongoing countermeasures, intel methods and personnel.

[TSA]

His job was to investigate. The DOJ and Congress, if necessary, should be the ones to indict based on the report.

During the course of the investigation, he found other crimes, and as is his duty, he referred them for prosecution.

I don't know what's so complicated about this, tbh. IIRC, we explained the procedure a while ago.

His job was to investigate. During his investigation he didn’t find any illegal activity between Trump/Trump campaign and Russia. If he had he would have prosecuted, just like he prosecuted for the crimes he did find. I don’t know what’s so complicated about this, tbh.

[Pavlov]

poor fella can’t stop lying tonight. Sad.

I didn’t know who would take the revelation of no collusion harder, djohn or you. Thank you for making it perfectly clear.Show where you did give a shit, TSA.

[ElNono]

lol "everything is proceeding as it should"

lol "nows it's time for DOJ and Congress!"

I don't get what's funny about this. That's how the law works.

If the report presents evidence of actionable collusion activity, do you think the DOJ or Congress should look the other way? Is that what this is about?

I mean, I don't claim the report includes that, I haven't seen it.

[TSA]

It's hardly unusual for CI investigations to forego prosecution because information required for conviction would compromise national security.

Just spitballing, if in fact a foreign country had compromised high officials in government, revealing that we knew might endanger ongoing countermeasures, intel methods and personnel.


So Mueller has proof that Russia compromised Trump but he’s just going to let him finish out his term in order to not compromise National security? :lmao

[ElNono]

His job was to investigate. During his investigation he didn’t find any illegal activity between Trump/Trump campaign and Russia. If he had he would have prosecuted, just like he prosecuted for the crimes he did find. I don’t know what’s so complicated about this, tbh.

The bolded is a claim you can't possible be sure about without access to the report.

And no, actually, it's been already argued that what he'll do is turn in his documents to the DOJ/Congress and it's up to them to bring whatever proceedings are necessary.

Let me look up my post about that, it was very early in this process (and something I disagreed with djohn about).

[Pavlov]

So Mueller has proof that Russia compromised Trump but he’s just going to let him finish out his term in order to not compromise National security? :lmaoHypothetically, why would he punish a victim of blackmail?

[ElNono]

So Mueller has proof that Russia compromised Trump but he’s just going to let him finish out his term in order to not compromise National security? :lmao

Actually, not necessarily, because that information would be part of the report, and Mueller is done with it. But it could be an impediment for the document being released without redactions.

Obviously, Congresscritters have clearance to review such documents.

[Winehole23]

So Mueller has proof that Russia compromised Trump but he’s just going to let him finish out his term in order to not compromise National security? :lmaoI have no idea, tbh. No one does at this point.

[DarrinS]

Leave Elnono alone. He's cool, tbh.

[ElNono]

Hey, I get it, Qhris especially is ecstatic, and TSA probably won a bet...

[TSA]

I have no idea, tbh. No one does at this point.

I wasn’t being serious just pointing out how rediculous your hypothetical was.

[ElNono]

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).

Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.

One thing that's been pretty clear from the get go is that Mueller and his team run a pretty tight-lipped ship. Adventuring what might come out, information-wise, as a result of his investigation, is more of an exercise in wishful thinking than anything else.

When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.

[ElNono]

That's a post from Aug last year, in this very thread.

EDIT: Flynn thread

[ElNono]

May 2018


They can't show anything. Some stuff will surface due to indictments of third parties, but the final report will go to Congress and then they get to decide what and if it becomes public (which normally does not, or is heavily redacted).

Then it becomes all about what's in that report and who is going to turn a bling eye (if there's anything of substance). Because we all know, historically, eventually these things leak out.

[Winehole23]

I wasn’t being serious just pointing out how rediculous your hypothetical was.Doesn't seem absurd or particularly implausible to me. Quite the reverse.

Also, Mueller's exactly the sort of person to put operational security above prosecutorial glory.

[TSA]

The bolded is a claim you can't possible be sure about without access to the report.

And no, actually, it's been already argued that what he'll do is turn in his documents to the DOJ/Congress and it's up to them to bring whatever proceedings are necessary.

Let me look up my post about that, it was very early in this process (and something I disagreed with djohn about).

Remove Trump from our discussion. The argument of indicting a sitting President is off the table.

Mueller prosecuted people from Trump’s campaign for crimes unrelated to Russian collusion. If Mueller also uncovered crimes related to Russian collusion why didn’t he prosecute those?

[TSA]

Doesn't seem absurd or particularly implausible to me. Quite the reverse.

Also, Mueller's exactly the sort of person to put operational security above prosecutorial glory.

Say it out loud.

Trump is compromised by Russia yet Mueller is just going to let him finish out his term as the President of the most powerful country in the world because National security.

[Winehole23]

That's a post from Aug last year, in this very thread.

EDIT: Flynn threadSolid take.

IMHO, and I said so a number of times, the only possible remedy for the described scenario has always been impeachment, and it's a bad option, because the Dems can't possibly win.

Resistencia Dems and the Hillary dead-enders put all their eggs in the investigation-leading-to-indictment basket. They would have done far better to lead a principled charge on Trump's bad policies and registering new voters. Instead they pinned all hope on Mueller only to waste two years and end up exactly where me, you and many others said they would.

[TSA]

Solid take.

IMHO, and I said so a number of times, the only possible remedy for the described scenario has always been impeachment, and it's a bad option, because the Dems can't possibly win.

Resistencia Dems and the Hillary dead-enders put all their eggs in the investigation-leading-to-indictment basket. They would have done far better to lead a principled charge on Trump's bad policies and registering new voters. Instead they pinned all hope on Mueller only to waste two years and end up exactly where me, you and many others said they would.

Resistencia Dems run the party, and they will not stop wasting their time investigating everything Trump and coming up fruitless. Not a good look heading to primaries.

[Winehole23]

Say it out loud.

Trump is compromised by Russia yet Mueller is just going to let him finish out his term as the President of the most powerful country in the world because National security.If that's the case, I would expect Mueller to impart the information to the right people in a discreet way. It's not a special prosecutor's job to be a check on the President. If anything should need to be done, the Congress, the judiciary and/or the DOJ would do it.

Not Bob Mueller. Everyone is exaggerating his importance including you, TSA.

[ElNono]

Remove Trump from our discussion. The argument of indicting a sitting President is off the table.

Mueller prosecuted people from Trump’s campaign for crimes unrelated to Russian collusion. If Mueller also uncovered crimes related to Russian collusion why didn’t he prosecute those?

Because they could reveal portions of the investigation. When you go to a court of law, if the judge says you have to show evidence, you have to, you can't just say, wait up, let me finish this first.

[Winehole23]

Resistencia Dems run the party, and they will not stop wasting their time investigating everything Trump and coming up fruitless. Not a good look heading to primaries.It's not. "We're not Trump" didn't work so great in 2016. You can't win without ideas and as Trump has proven, they can even be very bad ideas, if they fire up the base.

[Pavlov]

Resistencia Dems run the party, and they will not stop wasting their time investigating everything Trump and coming up fruitless. Not a good look heading to primaries.Worked against Hillary....

[ElNono]

Solid take.

IMHO, and I said so a number of times, the only possible remedy for the described scenario has always been impeachment, and it's a bad option, because the Dems can't possibly win.

Resistencia Dems and the Hillary dead-enders put all their eggs in the investigation-leading-to-indictment basket. They would have done far better to lead a principled charge on Trump's bad policies and registering new voters. Instead they pinned all hope on Mueller only to waste two years and end up exactly where me, you and many others said they would.

Arguably, hiding the report is also a no-go, IMO... it's only a matter of time until a Democrat is back in the WH, and it will become public at some point.

If there's anything relatively hurtful there, the administration should be working the spin machine overtime right now to still disclose and spin.

Plus, seeing they control the Senate, it's in their own best interest to disclose now, away from the elections.

(And not because there might be something fully damning, but because we all know this Russia stuff gets Dems energized)

[Winehole23]

It would be more prudent for the GOP to get out in front of the report and start spinning it, but why disclose anything when it's always an option to lie, obfuscate and weasel their way through? Their camp followers certainly won't respect them less for it.

[koriwhat]

It would be more prudent for the GOP to get out in front of the report and start spinning it, but why disclose anything when it's always an option to lie, obfuscate and weasel their way through? Their camp followers certainly won't respect them less for it.

excuses

[Winehole23]

for what? I was one of the people ITT the who said no indictments were likely.

[Reck]

The bolded is a claim you can't possible be sure about without access to the report.

And no, actually, it's been already argued that what he'll do is turn in his documents to the DOJ/Congress and it's up to them to bring whatever proceedings are necessary.

Let me look up my post about that, it was very early in this process (and something I disagreed with djohn about).

TSA and I went through this like 4 hours ago. :lol still doesn’t get it

[Winehole23]

I don't get the celebration. We don't know what's in the report.

If the shoe were on the other foot team red would be saying, "your campaign manager, your deputy campaign finance chair, your foreign policy advisor and your NATSEC advisor have already pleaded guilty to serious crimes, how much worse could it get?"

[ElNono]

TSA and I went through this like 4 hours ago. :lol still doesn’t get it

I would say that if there was any doubt that Mueller would indict Trump based on the information on the report, that's positively false.

[Chris]

I would say that if there was any doubt that Mueller would indict Trump based on the information on the report, that's positively false.

^ who talks like this? :lol

[ElNono]

^ who talks like this? :lol

I do, what's the problem? What part of that you didn't understand?

Maybe somebody that thinks 1 in a million is 14% needs to be talked to like a toddler? :lol

[ElNono]

Free Masons talk like that too, tbh, I though you would recognize one... serious business :lmao

[Chucho]

I thought the reaction stuff would be much better than this. So far, 3/10.

[Winehole23]

I thought the reaction stuff would be much better than this. So far, 3/10.Nothing to react to but other people reacting to nothing, tbh.

[ElNono]

I thought the reaction stuff would be much better than this. So far, 3/10.

Scant on detail just yet, I bet djohn is still lurking... :lol

[Chucho]

Scant on detail just yet, I bet djohn is still lurking... :lol

There are some specific posters I'm waiting for. To be fair, some of these dudes might be the same cat, but it's just got to get better.

[DMC]

It’s more pathetic than djohn going dark

DarkJohn

[DMC]

Arguably, hiding the report is also a no-go, IMO... it's only a matter of time until a Democrat is back in the WH, and it will become public at some point.

If there's anything relatively hurtful there, the administration should be working the spin machine overtime right now to still disclose and spin.

Plus, seeing they control the Senate, it's in their own best interest to disclose now, away from the elections.

(And not because there might be something fully damning, but because we all know this Russia stuff gets Dems energized)

Nah. The POTUS protects the POTUS office forward and back. Bros before hoes.

[DMC]

This insisting that Trump be guilty or else is beginning to resemble the god of the gaps argument.

[TSA]

Because they could reveal portions of the investigation. When you go to a court of law, if the judge says you have to show evidence, you have to, you can't just say, wait up, let me finish this first.

Mueller’s investigation is over. If Mueller also uncovered crimes related to Russian collusion why didn’t he prosecute those?

[Mikeanaro]

Mullet.

[Nbadan]

I think the Mueller report will outline a few things...first, it will exonerate Trump of conspiracy charges....I say this because if Mueller had found any indication of a conspiracy, there would have been dozens more indictments today....after all, Trump didn't commit conspiracy alone....so where are the co-conspirator indictments? not there....

My guess is Manfort's close ties to Russian intelligence, giving them sensitive polling data for reasons unknown and Stone's collusion with Julian Assage weren't enough to prove a criminal conspiracy existed...short of Gitmoing the Russians indicted on hacking charges, there was little place else for this investigation to go.....I guess the tea leaves were there when Jerome Corsi and Roger Stone's names came up....the two are wanna-bee clowns...

[Nbadan]

Mueller’s investigation is over. If Mueller also uncovered crimes related to Russian collusion why didn’t he prosecute those?

You can't prosecute a sitting President....but I think there might be a clearer cause for obstruction....

[Nbadan]

That said, Trump will not walk away from this unscathed. The report will detail close ties between the Trump organization and Russia extending too, the Trump tower deal...and here is where it could get messy because Trump was cutting deals with Putin while negotiating the Trump tower deal...can you say swampy?

The financial part of this investigation isn't over either....there are still questionable loans made by Deustch bank to Trump at a time when American banks wouldn't give him a reach around...and the Cohen testimony was a Pandora's box of Trump secrets that Dems are sniffing out...where there is smoke there is fire, right?

[ElNono]

Mueller’s investigation is over. If Mueller also uncovered crimes related to Russian collusion why didn’t he prosecute those?

I don't think he has that power when it comes to the Executive. And I'm not even just talking about the President, but members of the Executive overall. Notice he went after Flynn almost a year after his resignation, and he only charged him with lying (Flynn probably had the biggest question mark as everybody knew he had discussions with the Russian Ambassador).

Don't forget that impeachment applies not just to the President, but "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States". I would argue that includes any member of the Executive.

So it would be up to Congress to act, *if* there's anything there. But then it's a political process, not a judicial one.

[hater]

1109426384701702146


:lmao

[hater]

I don't think he has that power when it comes to the Executive. And I'm not even just talking about the President, but members of the Executive overall. Notice he went after Flynn almost a year after his resignation, and he only charged him with lying (Flynn probably had the biggest question mark as everybody knew he had discussions with the Russian Ambassador).

Don't forget that impeachment applies not just to the President, but "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States". I would argue that includes any member of the Executive.

So it would be up to Congress to act, *if* there's anything there. But then it's a political process, not a judicial one.

Lol talking to the Russian ambassador. How dare he. Issue was that he did not disclose it. Dumb but not criminal

There is nothing to act on as there was no crimes committed. Sure they can try to impeach a president for anything like having orange hair but they wil be handing 2020 to repugs if they do that

[boutons_deux]

My guess is that Mueller found a lot more incriminating about Trash than we already know, but recognized that prosecuting the Pres was not his role (Special Counselor, not Special Prosecutor), but that was the role of the other branches of govt, esp Congress.

Why have Trash and his mafiya been "forgetting", obstructing, lying for two years if there were nothing to hide?

And then of course NY, NJ, SDNY, etc all have their knives sharpened to cut Trash and his org to pieces.

Premature ejac (metaphorical since we all know you Trash defenders/fellators are dickless wimps) as there is much more to cum in the gangbanging of Trash and his mafiya.

[pgardn]

My mother and father both watch Madcow and LOVE it :lol


This explains so much...

Odds on kid killing parents claiming it needed to be done.

Satan doing work

[Winehole23]

This insisting that Trump be guilty or else is beginning to resemble the god of the gaps argument.The emphasis on legal hazard is overrated. Short of legal culpability what the investigation reveals might be fairly serious problems for the USA and for Trump.

[Winehole23]

Trump needn't be guilty or even indictable for anything for Mueller's report to pose a serious political threat to him.

Consciousness of that is one reason his backers are spinning so hard before word one has been revealed. The gloss that no further indictments amounts to exoneration is premature and might not be sustained.

[ducks]

CNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin also offered rare favorable commentary regarding President Trump.

"This is really good news for a lot of people around Donald Trump," Toobin told "Situation Room" host Wolf Blitzer earlier. "Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, Jerome Corsi, the writer who had a draft indictment presented to him by Mueller’s office and they decided not to go forward with this.



"Let’s be fair here," Toobin continued. "There has been a lot of suspicion around certain people. And a lot of negative things have been said and imputation of criminal activity.

“Mueller has said, ‘I am not proceeding.’ There is no better news to receive than you are not being indicted by the United States government,” Toobin added.

[LkrFan]

I believe the Mueller report itself won't show anything that implicates David Dennison. Why? Because Barr, the Rs, and Kavanagh will make sure he's protected.

What he will outline is a blueprint for the SDNY to go after his children, close associates, his businesses, etc. SDNY is the key here, not the Mueller Report.

Barr, et al, cannot do shit about state crimes prosecuted by SDNY.

[LkrFan]

I also think that SDNY will, at a time convenient that can influence public opinions, will effect the R Senators who are up for re-election in 2020. They're complicit to Trump's shenanigans and will be exposed as such by SDNY. Do they wanna be re-elected or continue to protect Trump?

Right now the R majority Senate is what's protecting Trump. When the Senate is flipped in 2020, his protections are gone - even if he does get re-elected. But if the Senate turns Blue AND a Dem gets nominated as POTUS, Trump = f:lolcked and he knows it.

[boutons_deux]

Consciousness of that is one reason his backers are spinning so hard before word one has been revealed.

Trash's cult mob, with no ethics, morals, respect for the law or govt, nor connection with reality, won't abandon him, and he and the Repugs know it. Trash approved of by 90% of Repugs.

Note that Trash's tweet has been totally silent. What's up?

[Spurs Homer]

Trash's cult mob, with no ethics, morals, respect for the law or govt, nor connection with reality, won't abandon him, and he and the Repugs know it. Trash approved of by 90% of Repugs.

Note that Trash's tweet has been totally silent. What's up?


Yeah, the entire right wing spin is in full force - maybe Barr is also complicit in this - as he probably leaked to the right wingers - some stuff (leaking good now!)

and that last trump interview - trump already knew and he was upset about something (hence the mccain attacks) - and he was happy/confident about something (hence his pre-spinning of "defending myself - is NOT obstruction of justice or abuse of power")

but I knew Barr was a piece of shit and Congress is pretty spineless - so only Mueller's non-indictable - but impeachable conclusions are what is left now.


and the SDNY and other jurisdictions...

[boutons_deux]

Barr's memo of June '18

Bill Barr’s Very Strange Memo on Obstruction of Justice

one thing attorneys general of the United States should certainly not do is make up facts.

And ironically for a memo laying out the argument that Bob Mueller has made up a crime to investigate, the document is based entirely on made-up facts. Lederman mentions this point at the outset of his analysis:

the first huge and striking problem with Barr’s memo is that he unjustifiably makes countless assumptions about what Mueller is doing;

about Mueller’s purported “theory” of presidential criminal culpability;

about Mueller’s “sweeping” and “all-encompassing” “interpretation” of the statute and Constitution;

about “Mueller’s core premise[s]”; . . . about “unprecedented” steps Mueller is proposing to take;

about “Mueller’s proposed regime”; about “Mueller’s immediate target”;

about Mueller’s presumed failure to “provide a standard” for what constitutes “corruptly” trying to impede proceedings;

about Mueller’s “demands” that the President submit to interrogation; etc.


To read this memo, you’d think Barr were replying to a legal brief that Mueller had submitted in support of a prosecution of the President for obstruction of a federal proceeding.

Yet as

Barr concedes at the outset, he was “in the dark about many facts.”

Indeed, he presumably was “in the dark” about virtually everything he wrote about.

From all that appears,

Barr was simply conjuring from whole cloth a preposterously long set of assumptions

about how Special Counsel Mueller was adopting extreme and unprecedented-within-DOJ views about every pertinent question and investigatory decision—and

that Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein was allowing him to do so,

despite the fact that Mueller is required to “comply with the rules, regulations, procedures, practices and policies of the Department of Justice” and

to “consult with appropriate offices within the Department for guidance with respect to established practices, policies and procedures of the Department.”

Indeed, it is not an exaggeration to say that

Barr’s entire memo is predicated on two broad assumptions:

first, that he knows Mueller’s legal theory, and

second, that he understands the fact pattern Mueller is investigating.

“It appears Mueller’s team is investigating a possible case of ‘obstruction’ by the President predicated substantially on his expression of hope that the Comey

[sic] could eventually ‘let ... go’ of its investigation of Flynn and his action in firing Comey,” Barr writes in his second paragraph.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/bill-barrs-very-strange-memo-obstruction-justice (https://www.lawfareblog.com/bill-barrs-very-strange-memo-obstruction-justice)

iow, Barr should have recused himself, but legal ethics are anathema to Repugs, and Barr is 100% suspect as Repug political shill

[DMC]

The emphasis on legal hazard is overrated. Short of legal culpability what the investigation reveals might be fairly serious problems for the USA and for Trump.

Another gap

[DMC]

Trump needn't be guilty or even indictable for anything for Mueller's report to pose a serious political threat to him.

Consciousness of that is one reason his backers are spinning so hard before word one has been revealed. The gloss that no further indictments amounts to exoneration is premature and might not be sustained.

More warnings and forecasting.

[Chucho]

LOL at the usual suspects praying for the W8NC.

[DMC]

Yeah, the entire right wing spin is in full force - maybe Barr is also complicit in this - as he probably leaked to the right wingers - some stuff (leaking good now!)

and that last trump interview - trump already knew and he was upset about something (hence the mccain attacks) - and he was happy/confident about something (hence his pre-spinning of "defending myself - is NOT obstruction of justice or abuse of power")

but I knew Barr was a piece of shit and Congress is pretty spineless - so only Mueller's non-indictable - but impeachable conclusions are what is left now.


and the SDNY and other jurisdictions...
Insatiable left wing ideologue at the bottom of the barrel right about now.

[Winehole23]

More warnings and forecasting.The investigation is already a problem for Trump.

We'll see what we will see, your tendency to minimize everything is advance is a well established pattern.

[Chucho]

Insatiable left wing ideologue at the bottom of the barrel right about now.

If the market listed W8N8 and shares were sold for hopes and prayers, it'd be the biggest boom ever.

[DMC]

The investigation is already a problem for Trump.

We'll see what we will see, your tendency to minimize everything is advance is a well established pattern.

Minimize what exactly, forecasting?

This entire thing as been Al Capone's vault.

[Winehole23]

You minimize six felony raps and the hazard the report may still pose to Trump and others well short of criminal indictment.

Pretending nothing has happened yet is itself spin.

[hater]

Who said nothing happened?? :lol

There was no collusion or obstruction of Justice. And Mueller agrees. That's all that matters. That's it and that's all. Time to move on

[hater]

Calling it now

If the demoshits don't give this up they will be handing Trump the 2020 presidency on a platter

[DMC]

You minimize six felony raps and the hazard the report may still pose to Trump and others well short of criminal indictment.

Pretending nothing has happened yet is itself spin.
When you have something other than forecasting and warnings, I'll be more interested. You seem just as concerned about nothing as you do about something.

[Winehole23]

You got nothing and you're still talking.

Lol still pretending like nothing has happened yet.

[hater]

Lol pretending Trumps presidency is in trouble

[Winehole23]

Trump will get through this; I was always in the camp that the focus needed to be on beating him at the ballot box in 2020.

Pretending the Mueller report poses no political threat to Trump, his family and members of his administration is pure wishcasting, no different from posters who assumed there would be criminal indictments.

[hater]

Trump will get through this; I was always in the camp that the focus needed to be on beating him at the ballot box in 2020.

Pretending the Mueller report poses no political threat to Trump, his family and members of his administration is pure wishcasting, no different from posters who assumed there would be criminal indictments.

How does the Mueller report pose a threat to Trump??

[Winehole23]

Dunno, depends on what's in the report.

Could be something, could be nothing.

[hater]

So far what's come out poses no threat.

Pretending anything else is pure speculation.

[Pavlov]

So far what's come out poses no threat.

Pretending anything else is pure speculation.What has come out from the actual report?

[Reck]

So far what's come out poses no threat.

Pretending anything else is pure speculation.

Nothing's come out.

It's TSA's jizz all over this thread that has spun so many pages.

Literally all that has been announced is that Mueller handed his report in and some fat guy is reading it right now and will provide details at a later date.

[boutons_deux]

beating him at the ballot box in 2020.


that's a minimum.

but if Trash and his family escape with no serious legal/financial punishment, any pretense that America is an law-abiding nation, a nation of laws, a Christian, ethical nation will be forever proved BULLSHIT. But American already bullshits itself with self-congratulating myths.

[Dick Jones]

Nothing's come out.

It's TSA's jizz all over this thread that has spun so many pages.

Literally all that has been announced is that Mueller handed his report in and some fat guy is reading it right now and will provide details at a later date.
:lol the premature ejaculation in this thread is hilarious but predictable. Following orders from their Fuehrer tbh

[CosmicCowboy]

The biggest threat to Trump 2020 is his asinine Twitter posts. He is a fucking embarrassment to himself and is just too fucking stupid to realize it.

[ElNono]

Lol talking to the Russian ambassador. How dare he. Issue was that he did not disclose it. Dumb but not criminal

There is nothing to act on as there was no crimes committed. Sure they can try to impeach a president for anything like having orange hair but they wil be handing 2020 to repugs if they do that

I’m not saying there was criminal conduct, that’s something Mueller knows. Clearly he tough it was specious enough to lie about it. However, being this was a Russian collusion investigation, he obviously was a guy that had direct dealings with Russian government officials, that’s what I’m pointing out.

[Chris]

The last vestige of hope for Russian truthers. Maybe someone can find something when the Mueller report gets released. Maybe Mueller missed something? Maybe Mueller dropped clues for other people to investigate?

"Mueller's gambit"