Spurs 2019 offseason thread

[GreekSpursfan]

Horford wants a win now situation, i can see the Fakers as potential landing spot and i wouldn't be surprised if CP3 goes there as well. I can see CP3 taking a few millions just to get out of there and go to his friend LeBron and get his ring

[Jordan Jackson]

Every team not named the Spurs seems to be imploding this offseason.

Giving CP0 that contract was stupid. Rockets deserve this - hate that team.

[Leetonidas]

Horford wants a win now situation, i can see the Fakers as potential landing spot and i wouldn't be surprised if CP3 goes there as well. I can see CP3 taking a few millions just to get out of there and go to his friend LeBron and get his ring

Chris Paul isn't a free agent

[Leetonidas]

oh man, centers getting torched by point guards that can hit 3's? never heard of that before

Yeah that's the point. He's not an athletic beast anymore so he can't switch on the perimeter. He's been relegated to being a plodding C on defense. Pre injury he could have kept up with Lowry who is by no means an explosive player on a switch

[GreekSpursfan]

Chris Paul isn't a free agent

He can become, watch.

[John B]

He can become, watch.
His 120 mil contract just magically disappear?

[mo7888]

Reports are Horford wants a 4 year deal. What team with cap space would give him 4 years at over $20m with his age?

[Leetonidas]

He can become, watch.

No he can't :lol there's amnesty clause to use. And I guarantee he isn't going to be bought out because the Rockets aren't going to pay him 100+ mil just to leave and he ain't gonna give that money up.

[Strategic]

Horford=DeRozan=MT stats. Rather have Demar tho.

[GreekSpursfan]

No he can't :lol there's amnesty clause to use. And I guarantee he isn't going to be bought out because the Rockets aren't going to pay him 100+ mil just to leave and he ain't gonna give that money up.

He will give up the money, i have a gut feeling. He has money, he needs his ring. I hope i'm wrong but something keeps telling me he'll be a Laker next season.

[BackHome]

He ain't giving up 100 Million dollars for no 3000$ ring..lol

[Ocotillo]

I've said it before, Spurs dodged a bullet when they were screwed over by CP0.

[GreekSpursfan]

He ain't giving up 100 Million dollars for no 3000$ ring..lol

You think he's gonna starve, how long was he doing those state farm commercials. CP3 to the Lakers is coming imo and i really really hope i'm wrong.

[mo7888]

Does anyone want to give our 2nd for Wagner or Bonga? The Lakers are selling..

[Leetonidas]

He will give up the money, i have a gut feeling. He has money, he needs his ring. I hope i'm wrong but something keeps telling me he'll be a Laker next season.

He is the president of the players association :lol I guarantee you he is not giving up money to chase a ring with lebron.

[Nivek_ogre]

Does anyone want to give our 2nd for Wagner or Bonga? The Lakers are selling..

Wagner would be a good stretch big man

[Nivek_ogre]

You think he's gonna starve, how long was he doing those state farm commercials. CP3 to the Lakers is coming imo and i really really hope i'm wrong.

Fuck that. I hope you are right. Chris Paul has proven he can't win shit.

[mo7888]

Wagner would be a good stretch big man

I'd give #49 for him

[MoSpur02]

You think he's gonna starve, how long was he doing those state farm commercials. CP3 to the Lakers is coming imo and i really really hope i'm wrong.

Hope you're right. CP3 is injury prone and that would hilarious if he went to LA just to sit and watch from the bench because of an injury. Same with AD. He's also injury prone.

[CGD]

Does anyone want to give our 2nd for Wagner or Bonga? The Lakers are selling..

Bonga would be good for a future 2nd

[Budkin]

I've said it before, Spurs dodged a bullet when they were screwed over by CP0.

They would have been pretty good for one season like the Rockets were I think, but in the long run yes, definitely.

[John B]

I've said it before, Spurs dodged a bullet when they were screwed over by CP0.
We signed the right Paul :wakeup

[RC_Drunkford]

Like I been saying John Wall for CP3 could definitely happen

[exstatic]

He is the president of the players association :lol I guarantee you he is not giving up money to chase a ring with lebron.

Not only is he the president, he rammed through a change in the last CBA that created these bloated contracts for older players, forced his way out of LA, and then signed one of those very contracts. He has roughly $120M coming over the next three years, and he ain’t giving up shit. I hope Houston sends him someplace completely shitty.

[gambit1990]

can’t believe barnes opted out :lol

[NASpurs]

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[exstatic]

can’t believe barnes opted out :lol

Well, it was Sacto. He's not the first player to leave money on the table to GTFO of there. Rudy Gay left like $18M, IIRC.

[gambit1990]

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pretty surprised steven adams is available. would be a perfect pickup for a contender needing a center.

[exstatic]

pretty surprised steven adams is available. would be a perfect pickup for a contender needing a center.

With the new rules, you can play him off the court. He can't defend in space, or bring enough on the other end to justify big minutes.

[gambit1990]

i wonder if okc would try replacing adams with deandre.

[exstatic]

i wonder if okc would try replacing adams with deandre.

Jordan? He's not that agile anymore, either, You'd probably be in the same boat.

[gambit1990]

Jordan? He's not that agile anymore, either, You'd probably be in the same boat.
okc has to replace their talent though. i’m sure jordan could be had for less than adams.

[timvp]

1141430768431980545

The death of the traditional center continues. That's the risk with drafting either Goga or Hayes. Great value at 19 but there's a chance that teams stop playing traditional centers completely within the next five years...

[exstatic]

okc has to replace their talent though. i’m sure jordan could be had for less than adams.

Yeah, but they don't have to do it with another big lumbering dude.

[GreekSpursfan]

Steven Adams is overrated as fuck. He has some pros but watching the Portland series tells you all you need to know about him. All this time he still hasn't developed one solid post move, not a good passer, obviously can't stretch the floor and for all his flaws he should've at least been considered an elite defender, he's not. He has pros but he's not good enough to be a part of a championship team.

[Drewlius]

Meh, I wouldn’t underestimate how easy it is to look mediocre playing with Westbrook, has nothing to do with how he would fit in an actual system. That said, the contract is untouchable.

[CGD]

Speaking of the dying center, what does LMA realistically fetch these days?

Best I can come up with that could appeal to both teams would be:

LMA + 29 —> Heat

Ryan Anderson’s Contract + Bam Adabayo + 13 —> spurs

[mo7888]

Speaking of the dying center, what does LMA realistically fetch these days?

Best I can come up with that could appeal to both teams would be:

LMA + 29 —> Heat

Ryan Anderson’s Contract + Bam Adabayo + 13 —> spurs

LMA + #19 -> pels for #4 and Solomon Hill

[CGD]

LMA + #19 -> pels for #4 and Solomon Hill

That would makes sense if they plan on keep Holiday, but that doesn’t seems clear yet.

Holiday
Ball
Ingram
Zion
LMA

Would be an interesting roster.

[CGD]

If Irving and Hortford leave, would Boston be a good LMA destination?

[look_at_g_shred]

If Irving and Hortford leave, would Boston be a good LMA destination?
For sure

[mo7888]

That would makes sense if they plan on keep Holiday, but that doesn’t seems clear yet.

Holiday
Ball
Ingram
Zion
LMA

Would be an interesting roster.

Everything I've heard out of NOLA says they are keeping holiday. That lineup would probably make the playoffs.

[mo7888]

If Irving and Hortford leave, would Boston be a good LMA destination?

I think it could be good for us but, I doubt ainge is giving up anything we'd want for him.

[Ron Swanson]

If Ainge didn't want to give up shit for Kawhi or AD, I'd hate to see what he'd offer for LMA.

[BackHome]

Ainge is screwed the way he treats players is getting out no one wants to go there as a free agent. Now add your loosing key players that helped you get to playoffs and have so far not made any move to get better.

[Spurs fever]

LA for Jaylen brown?

[Realdeal1]

Yeah Ainge is a damn fool! Could have had kawhi and/or AD but he rather hold on to his “assets” and overhyped players

[cjw]

LMA + #19 -> pels for #4 and Solomon Hill

Umm no. I’m not giving up 19 if I’m taking back Solomon Hill.

Better to deal Aldridge for someone you can actually give rotation minutes to and a pick worse than 4.

[sasaint]

With the new rules, you can play him off the court. He can't defend in space, or bring enough on the other end to justify big minutes.

So weird how the powers that be have so altered the game in such a short time. I really coveted Adams his first few years in the league. But you are right; he is just another dinosaur today. Plus, as another poster noted, he really hasn’t developed his game much at all since entering the league.

[sasaint]

Yeah Ainge is a damn fool! Could have had kawhi and/or AD but he rather hold on to his “assets” and overhyped players


The draft picks have become very devalued assets in this draft, too - especially if Kyrie and Horford both bolt.

[childishbambi]

SHould the spurs salary dump derr ozan and go after brogdon? 20MM?

[Duncan87]

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yesterday (https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1141554508025225216)
Sources: #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs) trying to find out if first-round picks can net established veteran. #NBA (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NBA) amicohoops.net/sources-sp (https://t.co/4YPqxkq6SW)

[ZeusWillJudge]

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yesterday (https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1141554508025225216)
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Is he saying the Spurs are trying to trade one or both of their picks for a vet? How in the hell could the Spurs balance salary? They would have to send a player out (or more than one), to offset the salary of whatever established veteran they got. Maybe send a pick or two to dump Patty's salary, and take back an "established vet" to balance?

If he's saying that they are trying to send a vet in exchange for someone else's first round pick, and he just phrased it ass-backwards, but I can live with that. I just can't see how the other could happen.

[Ron Swanson]

It's Sam Amico.

[Budkin]

It's Sam Amico.

This.

[Gordy58]

I’m sure the spurs are looking over every possible option in this draft, 2 first round picks don’t come often for this team

[MoSpur02]

Phoenix looking to trade Jackson and TJ Warren

[Mugen]

Phoenix looking to trade Jackson and TJ Warren

Josh Jackson is probably out of the league in a year or two because of his off the court issues, of course they are looking to trade him.

[MoSpur02]

Would not mind TJ Warren. His contract is decent.

[SpurSpike]

Think Green would come back for the MLE? Or maybe Kentavious Caldwell Pope?

[tbdog]

Would not mind TJ Warren. His contract is decent.

Warren is a dud, like Elfred Payton. Don't judge players on fantasy Basketball leagues. The awful Suns want Warren gone.

[MoSpur02]

Apparently the Boston Celtics are willing to absorb a large contract. I'm assuming they want a pick or picks attached, but Derozan might work.

[tbdog]

Apparently the Boston Celtics are willing to absorb a large contract. I'm assuming they want a pick or picks attached, but Derozan might work.

No. You don't just dump a pretty much expiring all-star guard because he isn't Leonard.

[Genovaswitness]

No. You don't just dump a pretty much expiring all-star guard because he isn't Leonard.

ah yes the 15% three point shooting depressed cuck. would rather have Darren collision tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

“The Durant situation is still in flux,” Windhorst said. “One of the things being discussed right now is the Golden State Warriors would offer Kevin Durant a five-year contract, $57 million dollars extra than he could get from signing elsewhere, let him rehab, and then work with him to be traded, potentially to New York, potentially to somewhere else.”

RJ Barret, DeAndre Jordan and Ntilikina to Golden State?
(https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/06/kevin-durant-rumors-golden-state-warriors-discussing-delayed-sign-and-trade-with-durant-report.html)

[tbdog]

ah yes the 15% three point shooting depressed cuck. would rather have Darren collision tbh

Is Darren Collison still even in this league?

[slick'81]

Is Darren Collison still even in this league?

Somewhere yeah

[MoSpur02]

The Pacers traded for TJ Warren according to Woj.

[Keepin' it real]

When are the Spurs gonna call up that McClintock guy from a couple years ago? Supposedly he was a deadly 3-point shooter, which we could use.

[Dejounte]

In three years...

PG: Dejounte/ White
SG: Lonnie/ Quinndary
SF: Keldon Johnson
PF: Samanic
C: Poetl/ Metu

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1141930437364858881

[DPG21920]

Spurs have a lot of work to do in free agency. With all the moves made and perceived value im surprised SA didn’t move around in draft. Having said that was not a lot of player for pick type trades and SA has players they need to move.

[tbdog]

Spurs drafting two rookies, far out. Our roster is full with Gay ready to re-sign and a full MLE. Surely, two players are getting traded or axed?

[keithington1]

Murray/ Forbes/ Mills
White/ Walker/ Belinelli
Derozan/ Johnson/ Metu
Gay/ Samanic/ Bertans
Aldridge/ Poeltl/ Militunov

[slick'81]

Spurs drafting two rookies, far out. Our roster is full with Gay ready to re-sign and a full MLE. Surely, two players are getting traded or axed?


Some combination of forbes,belli,wombat tbh

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs have a lot of work to do in free agency. With all the moves made and perceived value im surprised SA didn’t move around in draft. Having said that was not a lot of player for pick type trades and SA has players they need to move.


Said it elsewhere. Darius Miller is the best fit the Spurs can get on their budget. At least I hope he stays within their budget. Legit SF size, decent defender, and proved this year that he can knock down 3's. Character guy who would fit the team and PATFO.

Josh Perkins was totally underrated and underappreciated at PG for Zaga. The Spurs need a backup PG who is really a PG. He didn't get drafted, so he's basically no-risk now.

Milutinov as big man insurance.

That rounds out a fairly high floor roster. And they aren't going to be able to do enough in free agency to really raise the ceiling much. Not in the real world.

[DPG21920]

Said it elsewhere. Darius Miller is the best fit the Spurs can get on their budget. At least I hope he stays within their budget. Legit SF size, decent defender, and proved this year that he can knock down 3's. Character guy who would fit the team and PATFO.

Josh Perkins was totally underrated and underappreciated at PG for Zaga. The Spurs need a backup PG who is really a PG. He didn't get drafted, so he's basically no-risk now.

Milutinov as big man insurance.

That rounds out a fairly high floor roster. And they aren't going to be able to do enough in free agency to really raise the ceiling much. Not in the real world.

The expectation, for me at least, is that free agency will solve logjams and truly open minutes for the key youth. If SA can accomplish that I’ll be very happy

[Mugen]

Said it elsewhere. Darius Miller is the best fit the Spurs can get on their budget. At least I hope he stays within their budget. Legit SF size, decent defender, and proved this year that he can knock down 3's. Character guy who would fit the team and PATFO.

Josh Perkins was totally underrated and underappreciated at PG for Zaga. The Spurs need a backup PG who is really a PG. He didn't get drafted, so he's basically no-risk now.

Milutinov as big man insurance.

That rounds out a fairly high floor roster. And they aren't going to be able to do enough in free agency to really raise the ceiling much. Not in the real world.

Miller is a good, cheap target. Not sure how a S&T works currently but a trade with Bertans could work out as he fills a need for the Pelis (Davis' brother is NOLA as well)

[ZeusWillJudge]

The expectation, for me at least, is that free agency will solve logjams and truly open minutes for the key youth. If SA can accomplish that I’ll be very happy

Hadn't thought it in just those terms, but that's probably a good way to look at it. They have some young guys who are ready to start carrying their weight. The future starts now, but only if PATFO makes room for it.



Miller is a good, cheap target. Not sure how a S&T works currently but a trade with Bertans could work out as he fills a need for the Pelis (Davis' brother is NOLA as well)


Miller is an unrestricted FA, so I hadn't even thought about that possibility. And honestly I'm not clear on the current rules for S&T either. I don't even know what the Pel's current cap situation is, with all the horse trading. It would be nice to get Miller as a clean swap for Bertans' salary, and still have the MLE left. But if the Pels are willing to pay Bertans that much, I don't know why they wouldn't pay Miller that much. They seem to like him, and the NO fans definitely do.

[Dverde]

RC looked chill during his presser. I think they already have an informal agreement with Gay and the other player who is coming in. Just have to wait until 12:01 to drop the news.

[CGD]

RJ Barret, DeAndre Jordan and Ntilikina to Golden State?
[/URL]

Why would NY do that? Just offer him the 4 years, and call his bluff about staying in Oakland.

[CGD]

No way Bojan takes the full MLE right?

[slick'81]

No way Bojan takes the full MLE right?

Right

[gambit1990]

The expectation, for me at least, is that free agency will solve logjams and truly open minutes for the key youth.
don’t hold your breath.

[DesignatedT]

How much are guys like Marcus Morris, Thad Young, Aminu commanding in FA? Way over the MLE or what?

[JuneJive]

~13 per, would be my estimate.

[tonight...you]

don’t hold your breath.
But I'm training for deep dive records...
I can't hold back them goals and siznozz!

[Joseph Kony]

How much are guys like Marcus Morris, Thad Young, Aminu commanding in FA? Way over the MLE or what?

Morris probably 13-15, Young around 10-12, Aminu 8-9 imo. Aminu is not worth the full MLE

[lmbebo]

RJ Barret, DeAndre Jordan and Ntilikina to Golden State?
[/URL]

DJ would be a sign n trade?

[Degoat]

Soooo what’s more important getting a third big in Free agency or a big wing player?? I’d say a big wing but I bet we target a third big

[r0drig0lac]

for the cap studs

Is there any possibility of this roster starting the next season?

Murray/White
Derozan/Walker/Forbes
Bogdanovic/Johnson/Bertans
Gay/Samanic
Aldridge/Poetl

[8sy21vd]

Disgraceful that Gasoft counts $5M against the cap for 19-20. Would be great if we could dump Derozan and Mills contracts and get an athletic wing to fill a big need. Can't stand watching Mills scrubbing it up in the playoffs again. Get a real backup pg ffs lol

[Dverde]

Disgraceful that Gasoft counts $5M against the cap for 19-20. Would be great if we could dump Derozan and Mills contracts and get an athletic wing to fill a big need. Can't stand watching Mills scrubbing it up in the playoffs again. Get a real backup pg ffs lol

That changes if he signs with a team next year. Small chance, but fingers crossed.

[8sy21vd]

That changes if he signs with a team next year. Small chance, but fingers crossed.

Maybe the Lakers or Memphis will do us solid lol. The contracts of Demar, Mills, Bertrans, Marco and Gasol are a combined $58M hit next season. I'd like to see all of them gone. We need to let the younger core develop bar LMA who is still a workhorse.

[slick'81]

Maybe the Lakers or Memphis will do us solid lol. The contracts of Demar, Mills, Bertrans, Marco and Gasol are a combined $58M hit next season. I'd like to see all of them gone. We need to let the younger core develop bar LMA who is still a workhorse.


Mills and demar make up over $40 mil of that portion :bang

[RC_Drunkford]

for the cap studs

Is there any possibility of this roster starting the next season?

Murray/White
Derozan/Walker/Forbes
Bogdanovic/Johnson/Bertans
Gay/Samanic
Aldridge/Poetl

The only way would be a sign and trade with the Pacers. I don't see how the Spurs are supposed to sign Bogdanović any other way

[Prime BEEF]

Maybe the Lakers or Memphis will do us solid lol. The contracts of Demar, Mills, Bertrans, Marco and Gasol are a combined $58M hit next season. I'd like to see all of them gone. We need to let the younger core develop bar LMA who is still a workhorse.

This would completely revive the organization and the fan base. But you’d have to take back a bad contract most likely.
But you could possibly get the bulls to play along. They have the cap space and would think they’d value these players. Trade DeRozan/Mills/Marco($45M) for Otto Porter ($28M)

[RC_Drunkford]

Why would NY do that? Just offer him the 4 years, and call his bluff about staying in Oakland.

Cause they desperate. They would do that for KD ASAP


DJ would be a sign n trade?

A KD sign and trade would only work if the Knicks resign some guys so the salaries match

[childishbambi]

If Gasol retires do the Spurs still have to pay him? Bucks fans don't seem to want him.

[childishbambi]

The only way would be a sign and trade with the Pacers. I don't see how the Spurs are supposed to sign Bogdanović any other way

Think it'll take a lottery protected or top 20 first round pick for the Pacers to bite?

[tbdog]

This would completely revive the organization and the fan base. But you’d have to take back a bad contract most likely.
But you could possibly get the bulls to play along. They have the cap space and would think they’d value these players. Trade DeRozan/Mills/Marco($45M) for Otto Porter ($28M)

Posts like this really should be a suspendable offence.

[RC_Drunkford]

Think it'll take a lottery protected or top 20 first round pick for the Pacers to bite?

Nah it's either let him walk for nothing or get some role players in exchange. Sign and trade seems unlikely to me though

[Prime BEEF]

Posts like this really should be a suspendable offence.

Would you rather have DeRozan/Mills/Marco/Bertans or Brogdon/Porter? The funds freed up from that trade could allow the spurs to also sign Malcom Brogdon. The spurs would be a better team in this scenario.

But the spurs won’t make any moves cuz that’s not the front office’s style. They’ll sign Gay for too much money and that’ll be it for the offseason.

[tbdog]

Would you rather have DeRozan/Mills/Marco/Bertans or Brogdon/Porter? The funds freed up from that trade could allow the spurs to also sign Malcom Brogdon. The spurs would be a better team in this scenario.

But the spurs won’t make any moves cuz that’s not the front office’s style. They’ll sign Gay for too much money and that’ll be it for the offseason.

Not in a million years. I really don't need to go and explain why the trade for Porter is incredibly bad. But using cap space on Brogdon. You know White playoff performance was on par, probably even go as far as say he was better than Brogdon? White is younger, cheaper, and about to be better. In this scenario we give up the best player by far in DD. For the worst contract by far in Porter. Lose three role players to overpay a pg that as soon as next season would be behind Murray and White, and just become a role player. Great deal. We lose a borderline allstar, three role players, for two overpaid role players.

[RC_Drunkford]

salary dump Bertans and Belinelli and get Bogdanovic. Then make Gay sign some type of discount deal, somehow. I don't know. They really fucked themselves with the Gasol and Mills contracts

[Kurgan]

Bogdan is probably looking for 20 mil per year. I just don't see any way we get him, either through trade or free agency. I think Spurs fans took that rumor too seriously.

[Degoat]

Is anybody gonna really pay that much for Bojan though?? Like he had a great year but he became the focal point on offense because the pacers didn’t have any other skilled perimeter players once Oladipo got injured

[Big P]

I put this in the other thread, but it's relevant here too..

What about Jabari Parker...the Wiz declined his option, making him unrestricted, but they are open to resigning him...he's probably gonna make more than the MLE, but fit wise, would he be a good pickup for the MLE?

[Gordy58]

I put this in the other thread, but it's relevant here too..

What about Jabari Parker...the Wiz declined his option, making him unrestricted, but they are open to resigning him...he's probably gonna make more than the MLE, but fit wise, would he be a good pickup for the MLE?
dont think he’s a fit, he’s a below average defender and three point shooting isn’t exactly his strength

[Immortal Spur]

Bogdan is probably looking for 20 mil per year. I just don't see any way we get him, either through trade or free agency. I think Spurs fans took that rumor too seriously.
The funny thing is it wasn’t even a rumor, just Bobby Marks saying it made sense pretty much. People ran with it here. Timvp prefaced the offseason by saying it was straight forward. People are just setting themselves up for disappointment and it happens every year. It’s kind of sad and annoying. I’m expecting Rudy to get resigned and add Milutinov imo. That’s the off-season. As I posted in my staying the course thread, it just makes too much sense to keep it together. People are being emotional and prisoner of the moment. No need for more instability. Just keep it together and see what you have.

[GusT15]

dont think he’s a fit, he’s a below average defender and three point shooting isn’t exactly his strength

Below average defender is actually a compliment tbh

He's a worse defensive player than DeRozan and he's had 2 ACL tears.Hell no to Jabari Parker.

[RC_Drunkford]

The funny thing is it wasn’t even a rumor, just Bobby Marks saying it made sense pretty much. People ran with it here. Timvp prefaced the offseason by saying it was straight forward. People are just setting themselves up for disappointment and it happens every year. It’s kind of sad and annoying. I’m expecting Rudy to get resigned and add Milutinov imo. That’s the off-season. As I posted in my staying the course thread, it just makes too much sense to keep it together. People are being emotional and prisoner of the moment. No need for more instability. Just keep it together and see what you have.

Marks wasn't the only one though. A Pacers beat writer said the Bogdanovic to the Spurs rumor was legit too and Marks apparently heard it from 3 different sources. But I agree, looking at the salary cap there's like a 5% chance that happens.

[CGD]

Marks wasn't the only one though. A Pacers beat writer said the Bogdanovic to the Spurs rumor was legit too and Marks apparently heard it from 3 different sources. But I agree, looking at the salary cap there's like a 5% chance that happens.

Russillo also was pretty assertive on this

[slick'81]

Russillo also was pretty assertive on this


With what money? We need to shed the albatross that is patty mills

[CGD]

Would you send ATL a 2020 first to take on Mills, Bert, and Marco?

That would open up the space for Bojan no?

[tonight...you]

Would you send ATL a 2020 first to take on Mills, Bert, and Marco?

That would open up the space for Bojan no?
They have the cap space and stupidly willingness to absorb those contracts?

[slick'81]

Would you send ATL a 2020 first to take on Mills, Bert, and Marco?

That would open up the space for Bojan no?


I dont know what team that would take all that trash

[CGD]

They have the cap space and stupidly willingness to absorb those contracts?

They have the capspace , 12M of it expires after next summer, and they pick up a 2020 first from the spurs. They may see some value in Bert. Obviously Mills is dead weight

[slick'81]

They have the capspace , 12M of it expires after next summer, and they pick up a 2020 first from the spurs. They may see some value in Bert. Obviously Mills is dead weight

no chance

[TimDunkem]

:lmao @ the notion of this team trading Fatty. He is the LEADER of this team, remember?

[CGD]

I dont know what team that would take all that trash

Well they’re get a first. It’s like the deal they cut with the Nets for Crabbe

[tonight...you]

They have the capspace , 12M of it expires after next summer, and they pick up a 2020 first from the spurs. They may see some value in Bert. Obviously Mills is dead weight
Good luck with this one.

[slick'81]

:lmao @ the notion of this team trading Fatty. He is the LEADER of this team, remember?


Yea wombat def isnt going anywhere anytime soon:cry

[mo7888]

They have the cap space and stupidly willingness to absorb those contracts?

They want max cap room next summer do they won't take mills. I think you can get rid of belli for a 2nd, Forbes could be moved somewhere and fetch a 2nd, and I think bertans can be moved without taking salary back. That might be enough for bogdanovic.

[tonight...you]

They want max cap room next summer do they won't take mills. I think you can get rid of belli for a 2nd, Forbes could be moved somewhere and fetch a 2nd, and I think bertans can be moved without taking salary back. That might be enough for bogdanovic.
T'would be an interesting conflagration I don't see happening.

[slick'81]

They want max cap room next summer do they won't take mills. I think you can get rid of belli for a 2nd, Forbes could be moved somewhere and fetch a 2nd, and I think bertans can be moved without taking salary back. That might be enough for bogdanovic.


When have the spurs ever shed 2-3 players in one off season to sign a guy?

[mo7888]

When have the spurs ever shed 2-3 players in one off season to sign a guy?

I'm not suggesting what patfo will do. That's just what I think is doable in the market. If we want bogdanovic there are only two way I can see ti realistically get there, the way I illustrated above of moving DDR or LMA.

[Immortal Spur]

Marks wasn't the only one though. A Pacers beat writer said the Bogdanovic to the Spurs rumor was legit too and Marks apparently heard it from 3 different sources. But I agree, looking at the salary cap there's like a 5% chance that happens.
believe me bro, i want a trade as bad as the next person but you really don't know what you have with this roster. There were so much variables last year and we all know the bulk of them.

I agree with everyone, but we are just one year too early to feel that way. You have to see what DD can do in season 2 considering most players do a lot better with a couple seasons under their belt. He showed just enough. You have to see what Murray is and if Murray and White can be paired together. You have to see if the team is just mediocre or if they had too many injuries and new parts. They had a promising finish. It's just one year to early to write this group off. If they get through the Nuggets they could of very well been in the WCF or Finals LUL. The West is just too wide open next year to double down. New players would require more learning curve. Keeping the group together gives us a best chance imo.

I must say though, Patty and Beli had enough time to show, so in my estimation they will be 3rd stringers this year if the youth play to their potential. If the youth makes mistakes than you play the "culture" to bring the energy and solid play.

[CGD]

I'm not suggesting what patfo will do. That's just what I think is doable in the market. If we want bogdanovic there are only two way I can see ti realistically get there, the way I illustrated above of moving DDR or LMA.

Largely agree with this. I would add (and hence my hypothetical) that a third approach would to to attach our 2020 first rounder to Mills, plus one of the expiring contracts like Belli. That’s gets you the space for Bojan.

Spurs could have 3 rookies this year if they bring in Mulitinov, so an interest in punting next year might not be that farfetched.

[mo7888]

Largely agree with this. I would add (and hence my hypothetical) that a third approach would to to attach our 2020 first rounder to Mills, plus one of the expiring contracts like Belli. That’s gets you the space for Bojan.

Spurs could have 3 rookies this year if they bring in Mulitinov, so an interest in punting next year might not be that farfetched.

There might be a taker for that but, I'm not sure who it would be? It would need to be a team looking for cap space two summers from now.

[Immortal Spur]

Largely agree with this. I would add (and hence my hypothetical) that a third approach would to to attach our 2020 first rounder to Mills, plus one of the expiring contracts like Belli. That’s gets you the space for Bojan.

Spurs could have 3 rookies this year if they bring in Mulitinov, so an interest in punting next year might not be that farfetched.
When your draft picks are one of your best strengths and biggest assets as a franchise you don't just waste one on a dump especially for a player that is useful and when you are in flux. If we drafted like the Lakers I'd understand.

[CGD]

When your draft picks are one of your best strengths and biggest assets as a franchise you don't just waste one on a dump especially for a player that is useful and when you are in flux. If we drafted like the Lakers I'd understand.

In a vacuum, sure. I think the bigger question is whether the target being acquired (Bojan or whoever) is worth all that, though, I think there is healthy debate as to how useful Patty and Belli are at this point.

[r0drig0lac]

There might be a taker for that but, I'm not sure who it would be? It would need to be a team looking for cap space two summers from now.

Celtics

[CGD]

There might be a taker for that but, I'm not sure who it would be? It would need to be a team looking for cap space two summers from now.

Fair enough.

Would athe Pacer do DDR for Bojan and TJ Warren? Do the Spurs without additional consideration?

[mo7888]

Fair enough.

Would athe Pacer do DDR for Bojan and TJ Warren? Do the Spurs without additional consideration?

Its hard to say. I don't see him fitting next to Oladipo. I could see them taking bertans and belli in a trade though.

[EricB]

:lmao @ the notion of this team trading Fatty. He is the LEADER of this team, remember?


Who's fat?

[diceman]

I would not trade Forbes unless it lands a player which will propel the Spurs to the next level. The kid has improved each year and was about the only which showed up every game vs the Nuggets. He is hungry and although he is undersized he competes. His contract is a huge value compared to most. I like Bertans but Pop was hesitate to play him due to matchups and I think his contract would be a better trade contract-wise ($7M+). I definately dogged DD to those close to me, but I think the Spurs will be smart to run mostly the same team back next year and hope corporal knowledge kicks in to Gay, DD, and the crew. Hopefully DD works with Chip on the 3-pt. shot as it will help tremendously for spacing purposes.

On really hope Lonnie takes the next step and gets some run. I am optimistic on the Spurs youth and draft picks but we shall see.

[venitian navigator]

it is possible a sign and trade with more than two players? Belli + Bertans + Forbes makes for 15 millions...that could be Bojan salary range...

[Chinook]

A lot of people irrationally hate Forbes, but there's no way he's on the "must-trade" list. He should be getting minutes next year, not because loyalty, but because he played his ass off and has improved dramatically each season. So long as Bryn is affordable for a third or fourth guard, you keep him around.


it is possible a sign and trade with more than two players? Belli + Bertans + Forbes makes for 15 millions...that could be Bojan salary range...

It is possible to do this trade, but there's no need to include Forbes unless it strongly reduces the amount of sweetener the Spurs would have to give up. Bertans and Beli can combine to match about $17.8 Million in salary. That should be (hopefully more than) enough for the first year of Bojan's salary. The team shouldn't be in any danger of nearing the tax unless they also use the full MLE. Even so, they should end up with enough breathing room not to worry about accidentally going over. And they could get even more room by getting the Pacers to take Metu and replacing Chim with a rookie.

[venitian navigator]

A lot of people irrationally hate Forbes, but there's no way he's on the "must-trade" list. He should be getting minutes next year, not because loyalty, but because he played his ass off and has improved dramatically each season. So long as Bryn is affordable for a third or fourth guard, you keep him around.



It is possible to do this trade, but there's no need to include Forbes unless it strongly reduces the amount of sweetener the Spurs would have to give up. Bertans and Beli can combine to match about $17.8 Million in salary. That should be (hopefully more than) enough for the first year of Bojan's salary. The team shouldn't be in any danger of nearing the tax unless they also use the full MLE. Even so, they should end up with enough breathing room not to worry about accidentally going over. And they could get even more room by getting the Pacers to take Metu and replacing Chim with a rookie.

I agree but I don't see the 17 millions you talk about...Davis is on the books for 7 milliins and Belli has a reduced salary next season for 5,5 millions or something like this...that makes less than 13 milions (probably not enough money to reach the sign and trade salary for a first year Bojan)...

[slick'81]

I agree but I don't see the 17 millions you talk about...Davis is on the books for 7 milliins and Belli has a reduced salary next season for 5,5 millions or something like this...that makes less than 13 milions (probably not enough money to reach the sign and trade salary for a first year Bojan)...


Yeah davis and belli only seem to equal 12.8

[Chinook]

I agree but I don't see the 17 millions you talk about...Davis is on the books for 7 milliins and Belli has a reduced salary next season for 5,5 millions or something like this...that makes less than 13 milions (probably not enough money to reach the sign and trade salary for a first year Bojan)...

You can take back $5 Million more in salary than you send out if you're under the tax. The Spurs would be way under both before and after, so they can take back $17.86 Million. Plenty in this deal. I added in Metu just to clear his salary if the Spurs don't want to keep him, and doing so would actually raise the amount to $19.2 Million. Matching the salary isn't really the hard part. Finding a way to get Indy to agree to the deal is. While Beli and Bertans are likely neutral or slightly positive value as a package, Indy really doesn't have a lot of room in their rotation. They may just prefer cap space to the Spurs' guys unless SA sends a first-rounder or some other incentive.

[Robz4000]

A lot of people irrationally hate Forbes, but there's no way he's on the "must-trade" list. He should be getting minutes next year, not because loyalty, but because he played his ass off and has improved dramatically each season. So long as Bryn is affordable for a third or fourth guard, you keep him around.

This.

[slick'81]

This.


Who hates forbes?! Dude is a better,cheaper&younger version of fat wombat

[venitian navigator]

You can take back $5 Million more in salary than you send out if you're under the tax. The Spurs would be way under both before and after, so they can take back $17.86 Million. Plenty in this deal. I added in Metu just to clear his salary if the Spurs don't want to keep him, and doing so would actually raise the amount to $19.2 Million. Matching the salary isn't really the hard part. Finding a way to get Indy to agree to the deal is. While Beli and Bertans are likely neutral or slightly positive value as a package, Indy really doesn't have a lot of room in their rotation. They may just prefer cap space to the Spurs' guys unless SA sends a first-rounder or some other incentive.

Thanks for explaining!
that said, I'm not so fond on Bojan but looks like our FO is...I frankly would prefer someone more dedicated on defense. To me Bojan has quite the nsame defensive problems that Bertans has, and he is older, not as fast and jums a lot less...I know Pop is not a Bertan's fan, but I always have seen him like a good sf with a chance to be, given time and confidence, a wonderful shooter and improve till decent his perimeter defense...you know imho what has been his main problem? the contract he signed last year. If he choose the original Spurs proposal (four year at 5 millions per) he would have been considered an improvable prospect and given a lot more playing time just in light of his future development as a main weapon...signing a two year deal he (but I would tell more his agent) essentially bet big time in a boom first season with the perspective to earn big time considerations from the Spurs or eventually be traded. The fact he didn't have it (and is now considered our most possible traded player) is, imho, more about the fact he didn't had enough confidence and playing time from Pop. And I'm sorry for that because imho and by stats he's clearly one of the best 3 point shooters (spot up or exiting from screens) in nba right now...

[kobyz]

S&T Bogdanovic for Mills and Lonnie!

White/Murray/Forbes
DDR/Keldon/Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic/Gay/Bellinelli
LMA/Samanic/Bertans
Jacob/Milutinov/Metu

[tbdog]

No. You don't give up a 20 year old with that talent this early.

[ceperez]

S&T Bogdanovic for Mills and Lonnie!

White/Murray/Forbes
DDR/Keldon/Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic/Gay/Bellinelli
LMA/Samanic/Bertans
Jacob/Milutinov/Metu

You can't trade Mills away, he's the glue guy.

The deal will be Bertans for Boganovic. This makes sense for both teams.

[childishbambi]

After some of his awful performances in the second half of the year I opened up to the idea of trading him. Now I'm thinking being a new father just really caught up with him. I presume Greg doesn't let him shoot the deeper threes he's comfortable with and it fucks up his rhythm. Also can't feel good to be passed up for the 3pt contest when you got the stats to prove you belong. May have come down with imposter syndrome.

[4lifecowboy]

S&T Bogdanovic for Mills and Lonnie!

White/Murray/Forbes
DDR/Keldon/Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic/Gay/Bellinelli
LMA/Samanic/Bertans
Jacob/Milutinov/Metu

Let's revisit this suggestion after summer league, where I'm sure Lonnie will be featured this year. I for one am convinced that he is our best hope for a future franchise player on the current roster, and wouldn't consider trading him until proved otherwise.

[kobyz]

Let's revisit this suggestion after summer league, where I'm sure Lonnie will be featured this year. I for one am convinced that he is our best hope for a future franchise player on the current roster, and wouldn't consider trading him until proved otherwise.

With Lonnie I have the least expectation from our young prospects to become something valuable, so I want to sell him high as long that he might having some false promise to some teams, I don't see him becoming more than a worst version of jR Smith...

[4lifecowboy]

With Lonnie I have the least expectation from our young prospects to become something valuable, so I want to sell him high as long that he might having some false promise to some teams, I don't see him becoming more than a worst version of jR Smith...

JR Smith? From what I read about the kid he is very involved with the youth programs in both Reading and San Antonio, Duncan and Pop has taken a shine to him, and he his a gym rat with......

Ohh nevermind didn't notice your no more Pop postscript.

[BackHome]

Lol JR. Smith :lmao

[kobyz]

Lol JR. Smith :lmao

go watch his play how he lack decision making, iq and feel...

[CGD]

When have the spurs ever shed 2-3 players in one off season to sign a guy?

RJ . . .

[DPG21920]

Look, I would prefer SA not to give up assets to dump people (Beli, Patty, Bertans). If it’s small assets like 2nd rounders then I’d be ok, but not firsts.

However, the reason for trades is so the temptation for Pop is gone; if all the new guys play well and Pop buries Beli/Mills at least I will be fine with Mills/Beli sliding into the Cunningham/Pondexter roles. I don’t want them gone just of the sake of it; I want them gone because of what they represent opportunity wise.

[Mugen]

Look, I would prefer SA not to give up assets to dump people (Beli, Patty, Bertans). If it’s small assets like 2nd rounders then I’d be ok, but not firsts.

However, the reason for trades is so the temptation for Pop is gone; if all the new guys play well and Pop buries Beli/Mills at least I will be fine with Mills/Beli sliding into the Cunningham/Pondexter roles. I don’t want them gone just of the sake of it; I want them gone because of what they represent opportunity wise.

They don't need to attach assets to dump Beli/Bertans. Both those guys have positive value (due to their shooting + length/amount of contract). Packaging them for a 3&D combo forward makes too much sense that I'm not even sure if the thought has crossed RC's mind....

Patty isn't going anywhere because A) Because Pop would never trade him while he still runs the organization B) They'd have to attach a future first rounder at a minimum to get rid of that contract. He has negative value, his biggest asset to the team (culture) is worthless to most other teams (especially since a Raptors squad led by a scumbag just rang).....

[DPG21920]

They don't need to attach assets to dump Beli/Bertans. Both those guys have positive value (due to their shooting + length/amount of contract). Packaging them for a 3&D combo forward makes too much sense that I'm not even sure if the thought has crossed RC's mind....

Patty isn't going anywhere because A) Because Pop would never trade him while he still runs the organization B) They'd have to attach a future first rounder at a minimum to get rid of that contract. He has negative value, his biggest asset to the team (culture) is worthless to most other teams (especially since a Raptors squad led by a scumbag just rang).....

Maybe, but the point remains. I would tend to agree about Beli/Bertans but I’m not sure so the point was important; you don’t give up firsts to dump them just to open up minutes. You only give up firsts if you can land a legit free agent/trade upgrade.

Otherwise, you just bury them in the rotation and keep them around as good end of bench teammates that practice hard and that you can rely on to be ready in the event they need to play (young guys struggling, injuries, etc.).

I would be more than fine using a first to dump Mills if it meant adding to the real core to help win now via FA/Trade. But I think the young guys will be ready to fill a void that any free agent or trade would bring.

[Big P]

I would offer...Bertans and Forbes for Robert Covington and a second round pick...or expand it and make it Mills, Bertans, Forbes for Covington and Dieng...we get a true 3 & d guy locked up for 3 more years and get a third big man...Bertans and Forbes seem like they are the odd men out..we might have to add a pick or a euro stash to sweeten the deal.

[Chinook]

Look, I would prefer SA not to give up assets to dump people (Beli, Patty, Bertans). If it’s small assets like 2nd rounders then I’d be ok, but not firsts.

However, the reason for trades is so the temptation for Pop is gone; if all the new guys play well and Pop buries Beli/Mills at least I will be fine with Mills/Beli sliding into the Cunningham/Pondexter roles. I don’t want them gone just of the sake of it; I want them gone because of what they represent opportunity wise.

There's zero point in trading assets to dump players just for cap space. That's certainly true if they do so just so sign a marginal player who happens to look more like what fans want. A lot of fans on this site seem to believe absolute shit-tier players on other clubs HAVE to be better than the Spurs rotation players. It's just really weird. Of course, proven good role-players like Aminu would help, but they wouldn't help nearly as much as I think people want to believe. I certainly wouldn't dump picks into a trade just to come out with someone like that.

I do think Bogdanovic is worth giving up a first, though. Rather, I would feel comfortable if PATFO were to be willing to give up a pick to get Bogs on a long-term deal. He'd really help stabilize the offense and allow the role-players to spec on defense much more. The whole reason why Beli, Mills and Bertans were so important last year is because the team needed someone who could shoot and put points on the club so Murray and Poeltl could focus on defense and boarding. Turning those guys into a more consistent and talented player reduces the variability in that dynamic. The team would have four go-to scorers and could let the other guys focus on stopping the other team and getting opportunistic scores.

[DPG21920]

There's zero point in trading assets to dump players just for cap space. That's certainly true if they do so just so sign a marginal player who happens to look more like what fans want. A lot of fans on this site seem to believe absolute shit-tier players on other clubs HAVE to be better than the Spurs rotation players. It's just really weird. Of course, proven good role-players like Aminu would help, but they wouldn't help nearly as much as I think people want to believe. I certainly wouldn't dump picks into a trade just to come out with someone like that.

I do think Bogdanovic is worth giving up a first, though. Rather, I would feel comfortable if PATFO were to be willing to give up a pick to get Bogs on a long-term deal. He'd really help stabilize the offense and allow the role-players to spec on defense much more. The whole reason why Beli, Mills and Bertans were so important last year is because the team needed someone who could shoot and put points on the club so Murray and Poeltl could focus on defense and boarding. Turning those guys into a more consistent and talented player reduces the variability in that dynamic. The team would have four go-to scorers and could let the other guys focus on stopping the other team and getting opportunistic scores.

I agree and to further that point I think SA’s youth would actually do WAY more than most people would expect. Getting some marginal FA/Trade piece that is a name while maybe needing to give up assets? Nah, I’d rather let the youth soak those minutes while keeping assets and they will be better anyways.

But yeah, if there is truly something meaningful, I’m all for it.

[ceperez]

There's zero point in trading assets to dump players just for cap space. That's certainly true if they do so just so sign a marginal player who happens to look more like what fans want. A lot of fans on this site seem to believe absolute shit-tier players on other clubs HAVE to be better than the Spurs rotation players. It's just really weird. Of course, proven good role-players like Aminu would help, but they wouldn't help nearly as much as I think people want to believe. I certainly wouldn't dump picks into a trade just to come out with someone like that.

I do think Bogdanovic is worth giving up a first, though. Rather, I would feel comfortable if PATFO were to be willing to give up a pick to get Bogs on a long-term deal. He'd really help stabilize the offense and allow the role-players to spec on defense much more. The whole reason why Beli, Mills and Bertans were so important last year is because the team needed someone who could shoot and put points on the club so Murray and Poeltl could focus on defense and boarding. Turning those guys into a more consistent and talented player reduces the variability in that dynamic. The team would have four go-to scorers and could let the other guys focus on stopping the other team and getting opportunistic scores.

I would be happy with a Bogdanovic for Bertans trade. Pacers are unlikely to pay premium for Bogdanovic, so it's a high possibility. Bogdanovic is a more versatile player than Bertans, so I think its worth losing a good 3 point shooter.

[TD 21]

A lot of people irrationally hate Forbes, but there's no way he's on the "must-trade" list. He should be getting minutes next year, not because loyalty, but because he played his ass off and has improved dramatically each season. So long as Bryn is affordable for a third or fourth guard, you keep him around.




It is possible to do this trade, but there's no need to include Forbes unless it strongly reduces the amount of sweetener the Spurs would have to give up. Bertans and Beli can combine to match about $17.8 Million in salary. That should be (hopefully more than) enough for the first year of Bojan's salary. The team shouldn't be in any danger of nearing the tax unless they also use the full MLE. Even so, they should end up with enough breathing room not to worry about accidentally going over. And they could get even more room by getting the Pacers to take Metu and replacing Chim with a rookie.



There's zero point in trading assets to dump players just for cap space. That's certainly true if they do so just so sign a marginal player who happens to look more like what fans want. A lot of fans on this site seem to believe absolute shit-tier players on other clubs HAVE to be better than the Spurs rotation players. It's just really weird. Of course, proven good role-players like Aminu would help, but they wouldn't help nearly as much as I think people want to believe. I certainly wouldn't dump picks into a trade just to come out with someone like that.

I do think Bogdanovic is worth giving up a first, though. Rather, I would feel comfortable if PATFO were to be willing to give up a pick to get Bogs on a long-term deal. He'd really help stabilize the offense and allow the role-players to spec on defense much more. The whole reason why Beli, Mills and Bertans were so important last year is because the team needed someone who could shoot and put points on the club so Murray and Poeltl could focus on defense and boarding. Turning those guys into a more consistent and talented player reduces the variability in that dynamic. The team would have four go-to scorers and could let the other guys focus on stopping the other team and getting opportunistic scores.

:tu

The difficulty of luring Bogdanovic will probably lie in attempting to get him to accept more of an off ball role again. He would check a lot of boxes though . . .

- Second starting caliber wing (White is not a good enough shooter to serve as the lone spacer in the starting lineup and it'd be a waste of his talent to attempt to shoehorn him into that).
- Although far from an ideal option, big, strong and competitive enough to get by defending elite big wings. Can also play some stretch four.
- Effectively combines the best of Bertans and Belinelli, while mitigating their weaknesses and making a semblance of sense of the roster.
- Provides good insurance if/when DeRozan is gone in 1-2 years. Even if Murray, White and Walker develop as hoped, they'll still likely need someone alongside who can provide firepower without stepping on their toes.

- An asset of some sort would probably have to be attached for some team to take Bertans and Belinelli into cap space, for the simple fact that whatever team that might be would do so knowing they'd be doing the Spurs a favor. I agree that they've built up enough equity on this front that they can afford to spare a 1st, especially considering the likelihood that it would land probably in the early (maybe even mid) 20s if they were to sign Bogdanovic.

[slick'81]

RJ . . .


Not a trade .i meant more trading/dumping guys to sign a potential fa

[RC_Drunkford]

the main problem I see by getting Bogdanovic is that you would need a defensive minded 4 next to him. If you play Bojan and DeMar on the wings your PF better be a good defender. I don't think Pop will or should start 2 bigs (LA/Poeltl)

[gambit1990]

are people consistently referring to bogdan bogdanovic or bojan bogdanovic?

[gambit1990]

ahh, bojan is a FA. didn't know that.

[kobyz]

the main problem I see by getting Bogdanovic is that you would need a defensive minded 4 next to him. If you play Bojan and DeMar on the wings your PF better be a good defender. I don't think Pop will or should start 2 bigs (LA/Poeltl)

Aminu for the mle

[CGD]

:tu

The difficulty of luring Bogdanovic will probably lie in attempting to get him to accept more of an off ball role again. He would check a lot of boxes though . . .

- Second starting caliber wing (White is not a good enough shooter to serve as the lone spacer in the starting lineup and it'd be a waste of his talent to attempt to shoehorn him into that).
- Although far from an ideal option, big, strong and competitive enough to get by defending elite big wings. Can also play some stretch four.
- Effectively combines the best of Bertans and Belinelli, while mitigating their weaknesses and making a semblance of sense of the roster.
- Provides good insurance if/when DeRozan is gone in 1-2 years. Even if Murray, White and Walker develop as hoped, they'll still likely need someone alongside who can provide firepower without stepping on their toes.

- An asset of some sort would probably have to be attached for some team to take Bertans and Belinelli into cap space, for the simple fact that whatever team that might be would do so knowing they'd be doing the Spurs a favor. I agree that they've built up enough equity on this front that they can afford to spare a 1st, especially considering the likelihood that it would land probably in the early (maybe even mid) 20s if they were to sign Bogdanovic.

I always conceived a move for Bojan as also moving on from DDR. It would be interesting to have them both, but fear it may stifle the growth of one of the 4 young wings.

[TD 21]

I always conceived a move for Bojan as also moving on from DDR. It would be interesting to have them both, but fear it may stifle the growth of one of the 4 young wings.

Probably after next season. The thing is, they'd get minimal value by trading DeRozan and would have to take back an unsavory contract or two. They likely figure, might as well keep him for one more season, not put too much on the young guards too soon, try to put together the best possible team and make a deep run in what's shaping up to be the most wide open the league has been since Jordan's sabbatical.

[RC_Drunkford]

Aminu for the mle

A Bogdanovic sign and trade would let us keep bird rights on Rudy and the MLE right? That would be the ideal scenario, to get Bojan and still have the MLE for a defensive minded small ball PF

[Chinook]

I always conceived a move for Bojan as also moving on from DDR. It would be interesting to have them both, but fear it may stifle the growth of one of the 4 young wings.

Bogdanovic is better than one can reasonably expect the young wings to become. Someone like Cun getting minutes is stifling youth. Having a quality starter in front of them makes the team better now and in the future. I also don't see this as an either/or thing with DeRozan. They fit together just fine. Bojan would do a lot of what Beli or Mills did along with a good deal of what White did. Having one of White or Murray on the bench is better for the team if it comes from having a quality player next to them. Sure, could him coming off the bench as the true sixth man also work? Yes. But the Spurs aren't just playing to the future. They want to win now without sacrificing their young talent, and it should be really affordable to bring in Bogdanovic. With him, the team has really good PG, SG, SF and Center depth. If they use the MLE on a PF like Aminu, they'd be strong at all five positions. It's not a superteam, but it'd have that 2012-level depth that might grow into 2014 depth with another year or two to gelling.

[Chinook]

A Bogdanovic sign and trade would let us keep bird rights on Rudy and the MLE right? That would be the ideal scenario, to get Bojan and still have the MLE for a defensive minded small ball PF

Agree. And yes, an S&T would accomplish that. It's definitely the path that gives the team the most room to improve their roster while staying under the tax.

Murray, White, Mills
DeRozan, Forbes, Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic, Walker, Johnson
Aminu, Gay, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Metu/Eubanks

That's the kind of team where they could win games during the RRT when Aldridge and DeRozan sit and where even the garbage unit looks good. It doesn't have the ceiling of some teams, but its floor is really high.

[slick'81]

A Bogdanovic sign and trade would let us keep bird rights on Rudy and the MLE right? That would be the ideal scenario, to get Bojan and still have the MLE for a defensive minded small ball PF

praying for this miracle

[Mugen]

What's the sign & trade proposal for Bogdanovic? Beli/Forbes/Bertans?

[Mugen]

Agree. And yes, an S&T would accomplish that. It's definitely the path that gives the team the most room to improve their roster while staying under the tax.

Murray, White, Mills
DeRozan, Forbes, Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic, Walker, Johnson
Aminu, Gay, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Metu/Eubanks

That's the kind of team where they could win games during the RRT when Aldridge and DeRozan sit and where even the garbage unit looks good. It doesn't have the ceiling of some teams, but its floor is really high.

How are they getting there? I could easily see Bogdan get 16mil-18mil a year which (correct me I'm wrong) is more than Beli/Bertans would bring in.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1142791515569315840

[DPG21920]

How are they getting there? I could easily see Bogdan get 16mil-18mil a year which (correct me I'm wrong) is more than Beli/Bertans would bring in.

Bertans + Beli =12.8M. Trade rules allow their salary + 5M for matching purposes. So 17.8M.

[slick'81]

How are they getting there? I could easily see Bogdan get 16mil-18mil a year which (correct me I'm wrong) is more than Beli/Bertans would bring in.


Gotta assume he wants to be here and indi would accept a sign and trade to help us out

[Mugen]

Bertans + Beli =12.8M. Trade rules allow their salary + 5M for matching purposes. So 17.8M.

Thanks.

Still, Bogdanovic is going to be a hot commodity on the market. I can see anybody that strikes out on Middleton (most likely staying with MIL) to move to BB as plan B. That's Dallas, Brooklyn, both LA teams, Sacramento...just to name a few. I'd really hope there's mutual interest between both sides as I'm fan of his game.

[DPG21920]

Thanks.

Still, Bogdanovic is going to be a hot commodity on the market. I can see anybody that strikes out on Middleton (most likely staying with MIL) to move to BB as plan B. That's Dallas, Brooklyn, both LA teams, Sacramento...just to name a few. I'd really hope there's mutual interest between both sides as I'm fan of his game.

For sure. Sign and Trades happen way less frequently than before. There just isn’t as much advantage. He would really want to have to go here and IND would really have to want something for him leaving.

[Chinook]

How are they getting there? I could easily see Bogdan get 16mil-18mil a year which (correct me I'm wrong) is more than Beli/Bertans would bring in.

Nah, just by themselves, Bertans and Beli can combine to match up to $17.8 Million. That should be enough for Bojan's first year. If they needed a bit more, they can add in Metu (whom they could replace with Eubanks and probably be better for it). The problem would be getting Indy to accept the deal, not getting the ballast together.

[Mugen]

I'd include the 2020 first rounder as well if Indy was deadset on it.

[Chinook]

I'd include the 2020 first rounder as well if Indy was deadset on it.

So would you think highly of that team, or would you still rag on PATFO for not making moves?

[DPG21920]

I'd include the 2020 first rounder as well if Indy was deadset on it.

Takes two to tango though. He would have to want SA over anyone else; but also being willing to walk to another team that has cap space.

If he wants SA and other teams don’t make him offers, IND says go play for the MLE and it all falls apart. Other reasons as well. S&T seems pretty unlikely IMO but definitely possible.

[Mugen]

So would you think highly of that team, or would you still rag on PATFO for not making moves?

Considering that's the FO actually making smart moves, I wouldn't rag on them for it.

Besides, I'll have plenty of ammo when Patty and Bryn are getting the lion's share of minutes over DJ/White/Lonnie tbh....:tu

[Chinook]

Takes two to tango though. He would have to want SA over anyone else; but also being willing to walk to another team that has cap space.

If he wants SA and other teams don’t make him offers, IND says go play for the MLE and it all falls apart. Other reasons as well. S&T seems pretty unlikely IMO but definitely possible.

Maybe, but think of it this way: Indy took on three years of TJ Warren for a second-rounder they ended up trading away on draft night. Would they really not take two expirings (one of which could probably get them a decent asset back) for a first? I think they would, but Indy fans were actually skeptical. I do think a team would be willing to take him even if the Pacers weren't however, so they could work this trade with three teams and have the Pacers only take back Beli. A first there would be overkill.

[DPG21920]

Maybe, but think of it this way: Indy took on three years of TJ Warren for a second-rounder they ended up trading away on draft night. Would they really not take two expirings (one of which could probably get them a decent asset back) for a first? I think they would, but Indy fans were actually skeptical. I do think a team would be willing to take him even if the Pacers weren't however, so they could work this trade with three teams and have the Pacers only take back Beli. A first there would be overkill.

I think they value Warren as an actual player; if they do Bertans and Beli sure. But there is just not the incentive to do S&T really anymore. Still can happen, but the incentives are way less IMO

[sasaint]

Thanks.

Still, Bogdanovic is going to be a hot commodity on the market. I can see anybody that strikes out on Middleton (most likely staying with MIL) to move to BB as plan B. That's Dallas, Brooklyn, both LA teams, Sacramento...just to name a few. I'd really hope there's mutual interest between both sides as I'm fan of his game.

Spurs are gonna land Bogdanovic just like we landed Rui. Lots of ink spilt on two pipe dreams.

[slick'81]

Spurs are gonna land Bogdanovic just like we landed Rui. Lots of ink spilt on two pipe dreams.


Its nice to hope :rollin

[Chinook]

I think they value Warren as an actual player; if they do Bertans and Beli sure. But there is just not the incentive to do S&T really anymore. Still can happen, but the incentives are way less IMO

The incentives for a team to do an S&T didn't go away. There's just not the incentive for the player to do it. The Spurs being the only team that wants Bojan wouldn't matter to Indy at all unless they themselves wanted to re-sign him more than they want a pick. Maybe they do: A lot of Indy fans told me as much. It doesn't "feel" right though. I think getting Warren was Indy's way to moving on from Bogdanovic. I certainly don't believe they'd try playing hardball with him though.

[Big P]

Too many other teams can beat an offer of Bertans and Beli...I don't think we have enough to get a player of his caliber...would be a great fit though.

[DPG21920]

Too many other teams can beat an offer of Bertans and Beli...I don't think we have enough to get a player of his caliber...would be a great fit though.

Doesn’t matter what other teams have if he wants to come to SA is the point.

[kobyz]

Doesn’t matter what other teams have if he wants to come to SA is the point.

We still need to add some young asset - future first or Lonnie Walker...

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGY4Dc9NFv0

[cutewizard]

Kawawang KD

[mo7888]

Agree. And yes, an S&T would accomplish that. It's definitely the path that gives the team the most room to improve their roster while staying under the tax.

Murray, White, Mills
DeRozan, Forbes, Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic, Walker, Johnson
Aminu, Gay, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Metu/Eubanks

That's the kind of team where they could win games during the RRT when Aldridge and DeRozan sit and where even the garbage unit looks good. It doesn't have the ceiling of some teams, but its floor is really high.

That roster won't be the favorite with the press fawning over the Lakers right now but, I think it has as good of a chance as anybody to make the finals this year. Again, not saying we'd be favored I just don't see anyone clearly better in a 7 game series.

[JuneJive]

What about Vonleh.

He's above average on defense & boards.

Shot needs work.

Could be had for a portion of the MLE.

[JuneJive]

Bender comes to mind as well.

PHX totally screwed his development. True, a lot of that lied on him, but he wasn't in the right surroundings to deal with it all.

He has the tools, playmaking and his ( theoretical ) shot is there.
He's also very mobile, switchable.

Still young and scrawny, minus on the boards and lacks consistency.
He has still got a pretty high ceiling.

[pad300]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1142791515569315840

Anybody can get behind the paywall on the athletic?

https://theathletic.com/1041885/2019/06/23/10-free-agents-the-spurs-could-should-will-target-this-offseason/

[r0drig0lac]

Anybody can get behind the paywall on the athletic?

https://theathletic.com/1041885/2019/06/23/10-free-agents-the-spurs-could-should-will-target-this-offseason/
By Jabari Young Jun 23, 2019 14
SAN ANTONIO – The question was simple, and Gregg Popovich provided a simple answer that today can be used as insight to what the Spurs could be seeking when free agency kicks off at the end of this month.

What was the decision to bring veteran Dante Cunningham onboard after the two sides agreed to a one-year, roughly $2.4 million deal last year?

“He’s veteran,” Popovich said during Spurs media day before last season. “He’s a pro. He plays aggressively. He can play some defense; he can score; he’s been with other programs; and he’ll add another player that’s been around and understand how this works.”

Cunningham, 32, certainly provided his fair share of moments for the Spurs. His best outing, on the stat sheet, came on Nov. 19 when he scored 19 points on 7-of-7 shooting (5-for-5 on 3-pointers), seven rebounds and three assists in a loss to the New Orleans Pelicans.

Popovich praised his defensive efforts in the thrilling Oct. 22 overtime win over the Los Angeles Lakers when Cunningham, before fouling out, secured a game-high 12 rebounds and did his best to help slow down LeBron James. And against those same Pelicans, Cunningham also had a 15-point, seven-rebound outing in the Nov. 3 contest.

In the first 22 games of the season, Cunningham, who was signed to be a role player off the bench, started 18 times, averaging 22.5 minutes for the Spurs.

“We didn’t expect him to be playing all these minutes and he’s taking advantage of the opportunity,” Popovich said after that Nov. 3 game against the Pelicans. “I think he’s been really good for us. He sets the tone defensively. LaMarcus (Aldridge) goes under the bucket, and Dante is picking people up who are really good shooters, or good one-on-one players, and he’s done a great job.”

So, at Cunningham’s price tag, it fair to say the Spurs got a good deal for what he was able to provide when he got extended opportunities. But Cunningham isn’t expected back next season, and the Spurs will have to look to replace his role off the bench.

Unless a significant transaction occurs, the Spurs will be likely operating over the salary cap but not into luxury territory. Hence, they will be able to use the $9.2 million non-taxpayer mid-level exception to add one or multiple players and have the veteran’s minimum slot as well.

If Popovich’s explanation of Cunningham’s signing last season serves as criteria, here are 10 players who could fit the Spurs next season:

Soobum Im-USA TODAY Sports
(Soobum Im / USA Today)
Trevor Ariza
After completing a successful stint with the Houston Rockets, Ariza chased the money last offseason and signed a one-year, $15 million deal with the Phoenix Suns. He provided leadership, but the fit wasn’t right on the court.

In 26 games, Ariza averaged 9.9 points and shot 37.9 percent from the field (36 percent from 3) before he was traded to the Washington Wizards last December. He performed better with the Wizards, averaging 14.1 points, 5.3 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 43 games.

The days of Ariza, 33, earning $15 million per season are over. He’s more of a mid-level player now and could be a stable fit for the Spurs — who, league sources told The Athletic, were interested in his services when he became available last season.

The Spurs could offer Ariza the full mid-level or persuade him to take a bit less and use the remaining money to sign another veteran. Ariza is still a good defender who can stretch the floor by hitting the 3. And, as Popovich said of Cunningham, he’s been around and understands how it all works.

If Rudy Gay departs in free agency, perhaps Ariza can help fill the void off the bench. And if Gay returns, nothing wrong with having a similar wing in the second unit or maybe a starter at moments of the season when the Spurs are grappling with injuries.

Jeff Green
Speaking of the Wizards, forward Jeff Green will be another free agent worth keeping an eye on. Green played last season on a one-year vet minimum valued at roughly $2.3 million, a deal similar to Cunningham’s. Perhaps he would be interested in taking another minimum deal with the Spurs.

Green, 32, averaged 12.3 points and 4.0 rebounds in 77 games with the Wizards last season. He’s known as a locker-room guy and as someone who can provide some big outings at times. The thing is, don’t expect Green to be consistent when it comes to those outings.

“He’s always been such an enigma that you don’t know what you’re going to get night to night,” one Eastern Conference scout said. “But I can also see him being a little Spur-ish in his skill set. I just don’t know if he’ll have the night-to-night focus that Pop would like.”

But the Spurs wouldn’t need Green to come up big every game. If they can live with the type of player he is — a scorer and someone who loves to play but is perfectly fine being a role player — maybe this could be a beautiful one-year partnership.

Wesley Matthews
Here is a name the Spurs flirted with through the buyout market. Matthews said Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan attempted to recruit him to the Spurs before he selected the Indiana Pacers.

Word around the league is the Pacers will not attempt to bring back Matthews, allowing the veteran guard to sign with any team he desires.

Though there were signs of slippage, Matthews is still respected as a solid 3-and-D wing. If he can accept a secondary role, Matthews could provide the Spurs with another 3-point threat who can stretch the floor for Aldridge, his former teammate in Portland.

It might take more than the vet minimum to get Matthews to San Antonio. If the Spurs decide to split the mid-level money between two players, maybe they could persuade Matthews with the right deal.

But if the two recruiters made any traction with Matthews months ago, it shouldn’t take much to get Matthews to sign with the Spurs.

Jeff Hanisch-USA TODAY Sports
(Jeff Hanisch / USA Today)
Wayne Ellington
Of the players mentioned so far, Ellington is probably the perfect Spur. Ellington can shoot, is a better defender than what he’s given credit for and is a reliable team defender.

With the Detroit Pistons, Ellington was charged with the task of defending multiple positions, and some of the assignments were bigger than Ellington. But the University of North Carolina product held his own and competed.

After he was traded by the Miami Heat and waived by the Phoenix Suns, Ellington signed with the Pistons, where he finished the season averaging 12 points and shot 37.3 percent on 3-pointers. What makes Ellington stand out the most when it comes to potential free-agent targets are his character and team-first mindset.

“He’s that 1,000 percent,” a league exec said when discussing Ellington. “He would fit what is known as the Spurs’ culture. He would embrace it. He wouldn’t mind being coached hard by Pop because he’s going to play the right way.”

Jonathon Simmons
“His best days were there,” the league exec said. “Maybe they can rekindle that.”

Simmons’ rights are now with the Washington Wizards after he was traded on draft night by the Philadelphia 76ers. Many around the NBA expected Simmons, who is scheduled to make roughly $5.7 million next season, to be waived by next month, but that all changed Thursday.

As of now, the feeling is the Wizards will keep Simmons around. Should that change, he’s guaranteed only $1 million next season if he’s waived.

Would the Spurs be interested in a possible reunion if Simmons’ time with the Wizards is short-lived?

If he becomes available, Simmons will most likely be grouped with the second or third wave of free agents. Should the Spurs miss out on some bigger targets, maybe Simmons is still around and decides to return on a one-year deal, hoping to have a productive season and make up lost revenue next summer.

Though he didn’t show much of it in Philly, Simmons is still a capable defender who can create his own shot and get into the lane. The Spurs do need more 3-point shooting, but Popovich always loves a player willing to compete and defend. And the Spurs should know how to incorporate Simmons better than any other team, as the Houston native developed under their watch before he departed in 2017.

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
In one of the earlier news items of the week, ESPN.com reported the Brooklyn Nets did not extend Hollis-Jefferson his $3.9 million qualifying offer. He will now become an unrestricted free agent.

League sources have informed The Athletic that Hollis-Jefferson will explore his options and has not pinpointed any potential suitors. Though nothing is official, the Spurs should consider the former University of Arizona standout.

It’s known the Spurs like to get in-depth intel on players they are considering for their program. Sean Marks, the former Spurs GM and current Nets GM, should be able to provide all the insight needed about Hollis-Jefferson’s potential fit.

On the court, Hollis-Jefferson is praised for his defense and has good size at 6-foot-7. He can provide energy off the bench and would be reliable in transition with his athleticism. The problem …

“No offense to speak of,” a scout said. “He’s supposed to be a three, but he can’t put the ball in the hole.”

And here is what will be the issue for Hollis-Jefferson.

In his four-year career, he shot 44.4 percent from the field and 22.3 percent from beyond the arc. Where he makes up for his shooting woes is through his reputation of playing hard. Again, the Spurs admire players who will compete, but whether Hollis-Jefferson provides enough offense will be one of the questions the team will consider if it explores a signing.

Paul Millsap
The Nuggets will need to decide on Millsap soon, as he has a team option worth $30 million for next season.

Millsap averaged 12.6 points and 7.2 rebounds for the second-seeded Nuggets, who eliminated the Spurs from the postseason. Those numbers aren’t terrible, but the price to bring Millsap back to the Mile High City might be a bit too much.

Millsap is one of the better frontcourt defenders, and he’s not afraid to shoot the 3. If he’s in a lineup with Aldridge, he could see plenty of opportunities from beyond the arc.

The question: How much would it cost to add Millsap? He should have a fair share of suitors capable of paying him more than the mid-level exception. But if Millsap has an interest in the Spurs, this is a potential addition that could be intriguing.

Stanley Johnson
Since the trade deadline, Johnson’s name has always been linked to the Spurs. Assistant GM Brian Wright was in Detroit’s front office when Johnson was drafted eighth overall in 2015.

Some are still trying to understand what Johnson, who’s 6-foot-7, is at this level. A guard? Small forward? He’s not the best shooter and is a streaky scorer, but he is also known as a good defender when he wants to compete. The good, or bad depending on perspective: Johnson just turned 23 last month.

Usually, teams will still attempt to develop a player of that age and mold him into something that fits their needs. Whether Johnson will go along with the plan has been the question many league execs have asked when discussing his services.

The talent is there, though. The Spurs might need to do a little convincing — not much — and if Johnson buys in, he could be a quiet steal when it’s all said and done.

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Could Amir Johnson, right, be on the Spurs’ radar this offseason? (Steve Mitchell / USA Today)
Amir Johnson
Speaking of Johnsons, don’t forget about Amir. Johnson’s time with the Sixers, like that of Simmons, appears complete.

After agreeing to re-sign with Philly on a one-year deal last summer, Johnson played in only 51 games and his minutes dipped from 15.9 to 10.4 per game. As a reserve, Johnson averaged 3.9 points and 2.9 rebounds.

There has always been some intrigue with the Spurs and Johnson. The team inquired about signing Johnson since his days in Toronto and have kept a close eye on him while he played with the Boston Celtics, league sources told The Athletic. But the time to add Johnson, 32, never seemed to align until now.

Off the bench, Johnson would provide another vet who could serve as an energy guy — play defense, set screens, rebound, convert a few putbacks and call it a day. He’s also close with DeRozan and Gay, as the trio played together with the Raptors.

Robin Lopez
This would be a connection-based signing. The connection here is Aldridge, who played with Lopez in Portland. Aldridge loved playing with Lopez, who has always been respected around the NBA as a serviceable big man.

“I like him (with the Spurs) a lot,” the Eastern Conference scout said.

Lopez is a good paint protector and underrated passer, and some look at him as a better rebounder than his brother, Brook, especially on the offensive end. With the Spurs, Lopez would be able to once again play next to Aldridge at times and do what he does best — defend, pass, rebound and set screens.

Lopez, 31, shouldn’t cost too much and could be the right vet-minimum candidate for the Spurs, who need more frontline help with only Aldridge, Jakob Poeltl and youngster Chimezie Metu as the big men currently on the roster for next season.

(Top photo of Matthews: Soobum Im / USA Today)

[JuneJive]

Could someone... Thanks in advance.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27036889/2019-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-30-players-potential-fits

[pad300]

Could someone... Thanks in advance.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27036889/2019-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-30-players-potential-fits

I'm not an ESPN insider subscriber, but let me save you some time. Spurs aren't getting any of the "top 30 free agents"

[ace3g]

Could someone... Thanks in advance.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27036889/2019-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-30-players-potential-fits

21. Rudy Gay (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3005/rudy-gay)
Projected three-year WARP: 12.9


Potential fits: Spurs, Clippers


Gay has moved past an Achilles rupture in early 2017 to put together two of his better NBA seasons in San Antonio, posting a career-best 58.3 true shooting percentage in 2018-19 thanks to 40% 3-point accuracy.
He could be a strong candidate for a big one-year deal from a team like the Clippers that misses out on star targets but wants to maintain cap space for 2020.



Spurs only linked with Gay.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1143351844523003906

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/Patty_Mills/status/1143351844523003906

barrett jelly of that $50 mill

[Big Empty]

Yall see coach Bud give props to Duncan & Pop? Very nice speech

[slick'81]

Yall see coach Bud give props to Duncan & Pop? Very nice speech


Did you see rivers reaction like wtf :lmao

[DAF86]

Murray, White, Mills, Belinelli, Walker, Forbes

6 guards for 4 guard spots.

Those expecting Walker to be in the rotation next season are going to be highly dissapointed. Even with a potential Belinelli trade, there isn't much room there.

[TimDunkem]

Mills is literally bringing this team down. He should be the odd man out along with Belli. He can't shoot, defend, or run an offense. What is he good for other than waving towels and grabbing cappuccinos?

[RC_Drunkford]

Agree. And yes, an S&T would accomplish that. It's definitely the path that gives the team the most room to improve their roster while staying under the tax.

Murray, White, Mills
DeRozan, Forbes, Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic, Walker, Johnson
Aminu, Gay, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Metu/Eubanks

That's the kind of team where they could win games during the RRT when Aldridge and DeRozan sit and where even the garbage unit looks good. It doesn't have the ceiling of some teams, but its floor is really high.

Yeah that's a very versatile, deep roster without holes that has a chance to make a deep playoff run if the young guys show some improvement. I really hope PATFO can pull this off somehow

[timvp]

Yall see coach Bud give props to Duncan & Pop? Very nice speech

TYs6cXQetXc

Good speech. Hopefully Pop coaches three more years and Bud times his departure right so he can come home and take the reins, tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

TYs6cXQetXc

Good speech. Hopefully Pop coaches three more years and Bud times his departure right so he can come home and take the reins, tbh.


Then give Patty a clipboard and the Spurs have culture continuity for the next decade. :D

[EricB]

We still need to add some young asset - future first or Lonnie Walker...

The first possibly, Lonnie walker isn’t going anywhere and wouldn’t even be asked for.

[kobyz]

Bender comes to mind as well.

PHX totally screwed his development. True, a lot of that lied on him, but he wasn't in the right surroundings to deal with it all.

He has the tools, playmaking and his ( theoretical ) shot is there.
He's also very mobile, switchable.

Still young and scrawny, minus on the boards and lacks consistency.
He has still got a pretty high ceiling.

He just doesn't have the mental makeup of a basketball player, you wasting your time...

[Dennis the Menace]

Mills is literally bringing this team down. He should be the odd man out along with Belli. He can't shoot, defend, or run an offense. What is he good for other than waving towels and grabbing cappuccinos?


Stealing money

[YGWHI]

After 29 pages I can't find a word about DJ extension...We already had that thread about Derozan. Now I need the same about DJ and the max.

[exstatic]

After 29 pages I can't find a word about DJ extension...We already had that thread about Derozan. Now I need the same about DJ and the max.

DJ's done nothing so far to merit the MAX.

[pad300]

After 29 pages I can't find a word about DJ extension...We already had that thread about Derozan. Now I need the same about DJ and the max.

DJ's extension is not going to happen just yet. Both parties have reason to wait: PATFO obviously wants to see him play post-injury, and DJ can raise his value by playing well...


DJ's done nothing so far to merit the MAX.

Yeah. Right now, his extension is just a little over the MLE. He plays well and he can raise that a lot... Although he's going to have to have a HUGE breakout (Scoring and moving the ball like a lead PG option, w/a 3 pt shot, while keeping the D going) if he wants the max.

[Dverde]

DJ's extension is not going to happen just yet. Both parties have reason to wait: PATFO obviously wants to see him play post-injury, and DJ can raise his value by playing well...



Yeah. Right now, his extension is just a little over the MLE. He plays well and he can raise that a lot... Although he's going to have to have a HUGE breakout (Scoring and moving the ball like a lead PG option, w/a 3 pt shot, while keeping the D going) if he wants the max.

I disagree about both sides wanting to wait. It makes sense for the Spurs to try to lock him up at a lower number before a potential “breakout season” and DJ Murray may not want to risk another injury ruining his free agency. It would be his first big money contract and allow him to “take care of his family”. It all depends on whether they can agree on a number. Something between 12 -16 million is what most projected here. I also believe all the Murray’s pro-spurs social media is a sign he wants a big deal this Summer.

[XDT76]

Spurs should let DJM run the second team in the first half of the season before moving him to the starters in the second half of the season. Rich Paul will point to DJM's all NBA defence nomination to ask for a Supermax. We need to know DJM can play both end of the floor as a lead. Aldridge's contract is coming of this season followed by DDR. DJM, Poeltl, White and Walker contract are due the next 3 years we need to see where they stand.

[exstatic]

Spurs should let DJM run the second team in the first half of the season before moving him to the starters in the second half of the season. Rich Paul will point to DJM's all NBA defence nomination to ask for a Supermax. We need to know DJM can play both end of the floor as a lead. Aldridge's contract is coming of this season followed by DDR. DJM, Poeltl, White and Walker contract are due the next 3 years we need to see where they stand.

Aldridge has two seasons left, although the second one is not fully guaranteed. If he continues to play at an AS level, I can't imagine the Spurs not picking up the option for 2020-2021. DDR has a player option next summer.

You don't ask for the superMAX, you earn it, and All D isn't one of the triggers. DPOY, MVP, All-NBA team. That's it.

[Dancelot]

Stealing money
I think you may be thinking of another former player

[TimDunkem]

I think you may be thinking of another former player

Mills is definitely stealing money. He literally brings no value on the court.

[cd98]

Whoa boy. I think Josh Jackson could be a very gettable player in a trade right now.

[GreekSpursfan]

TYs6cXQetXc

Good speech. Hopefully Pop coaches three more years and Bud times his departure right so he can come home and take the reins, tbh.

I'm afraid Bud is gonna spend at least a decade somewhere in Wisconsin.

[cjw]

That changes if he signs with a team next year. Small chance, but fingers crossed.

Spurs operating over the cap so this almost certainly doesn’t matter. Unless they go way under the cap by dealing Demar or are worried about being hard capped, this won’t come into play.



Nah it's either let him walk for nothing or get some role players in exchange. Sign and trade seems unlikely to me though

Why would they do a S&T until they’ve exhausted all other means of using cap space? They’re going to be under the cap if Bojan is leaving, so could instead go sign other guys instead.



I'd include the 2020 first rounder as well if Indy was deadset on it.

Completely agree if you need to sweeten the pot ... a protected first or a swap. I don’t think they’d want Bertans / Beli until they exhausted other FA options first. And having to get S&T done might make Bojan go a different direction vs. waiting.

[XDT76]

Aldridge has two seasons left, although the second one is not fully guaranteed. If he continues to play at an AS level, I can't imagine the Spurs not picking up the option for 2020-2021. DDR has a player option next summer.

You don't ask for the superMAX, you earn it, and All D isn't one of the triggers. DPOY, MVP, All-NBA team. That's it.

Thanks for the info, I mistaken All D as a qualifying criteria too. Anyway if Spurs intend to keep their current core of players, I see DJM, Poeltl, DW and LW combine to draw around 80 to 90Mil if they can all play up to potential leaving not much money for the other 9 players. Though the development of Luka and Kelson will determine who the Spurs will wanna keep down the road.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1143667005548978177

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1143667005548978177

I think that's pretty much what the market will bear. Just one more reason I don't think the Spurs are getting Mirotic for the MLE.

[ZeusWillJudge]

You've mentioned Morris more than once. I'd be more than happy with him being added to the roster. I'd still like to see one more big man for insurance. So two players have to be added to a full roster.

I dunno. The more I look at this, the more I think they're just going to add their two rookies, axe Pondexter and Metu, give their second 2-way to Weatherspoon, and wait for the trade deadline to decide on any changes.

They have two young guys who missed the season with injuries - that probably limits their value right now. They have White on a cheap contract, and was in the discussion for Most Improved - hard to let go of him without seeing if he gets even better this year. They have Forbes who accounted for almost 22% of the Spurs' made 3-pointers, and who started taking advantage of his improved size/strength in the second half of the season. Pop isn't trading Mills, and no one wants his bloated contract.

So that leaves Belli and Bertans, who accounted for almost 40% of the Spurs' made 3-pointers last season. To add an insurance big and a wing, they would have to give up both of those guys just to clear the roster spots. So if they did that, whoever they added would have to shoot 3's at a pretty high rate, or the Spurs would be terribly underpowered from outside.

To me, unless they can find a buyer for DDR's contract, the most likely thing right now is for them to add the rookies and cut the two bench implants, and ride this roster until the trade deadline.

[YGWHI]

DJ's extension is not going to happen just yet. Both parties have reason to wait
I just wonder if they will wait the whole offseason to make a decision

DJ was a 2016 first-round pick. They will have until the day before the new regular season starts to sign a long-term deal.

[Seventyniner]

I think that's pretty much what the market will bear. Just one more reason I don't think the Spurs are getting Mirotic for the MLE.

Probably not Mirotic, but when guys like Portis start taking up teams' cap space then some players will start being forced to take the MLE because of the domino effect.


To me, unless they can find a buyer for DDR's contract, the most likely thing right now is for them to add the rookies and cut the two bench implants, and ride this roster until the trade deadline.


Not use the MLE at all?

[Dverde]

Probably not Mirotic, but when guys like Portis start taking up teams' cap space then some players will start being forced to take the MLE because of the domino effect.



Not use the MLE at all?

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Not use the MLE at all?


I don't know - I think they might wait until the trade deadline. It would give them a chance to evaluate the young guys, for one thing. Decide if they want to include one of them to sweeten a trade deal, or if they're enough to build a future on. I know that not spending the MLE right now seems unlikely - it did to me too. But a bunch of the guys I think they should really want are going to get more than that. And I don't think they want to spend the MLE and not get someone that really makes a difference.

With the two new first-round rookies, they've got what... 14 guys on the roster now? And I think they will have around $85M committed for next season after the new rookie contracts are added. If they add someone for the full MLE, they just won't have much of any cap flexibility for next season. They sure don't want to add a half-assed MLE player that will clog up cap room for next year. The question is, do you hire an MLE guy this year, or stand pat and have the space to hire a top-tier player next season?

The Spurs have a couple of guys (DDR and Mills) who can't be traded for value because of their bloated contracts. And they have a couple (Belli and Bertans) who they can't lose without picking up a known 3P threat as a replacement. Actually three of those, because they sure as shit can't lose Forbes without getting a 3P shooter, because he's 22% of their total 3P production. By mid-season, if the right guy is available, they might be ready to part with one of White, Murray, Walker to sweeten a deal. On the other hand, if those guys really mesh, they might not.

If all the crazy early spending dries up, and there's someone that will move the needle and will sign for the MLE? Then sure, they'll sign him. I just think that a lot of the guys we really want them to sign are just like wanting them to draft Rui at 19. It ain't gonna happen. And even though a guy like Baynes has some value as a big body in the middle, I really don't want his salary preventing the Spurs from getting a top-tier FA in '20. I don't think they want that either.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.


Maybe they have. But any player who's really worth a shit will be talking to more than one team. The MLE is good money, but not if you think you can get more. Anybody who has agreed to a deal this early will be pretty sure that he won't be in big demand when the bidding starts. The guys we're all excited about? I don't think they will be jumping this early to sign for MLE money.

BTW - I think the FA signing period opens up this Sunday at 6 or 7 Eastern Time. I could be wrong about that, but I that's what I remember.

[EricB]

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.


Havent agreed with anyone yet so no.

[tbdog]

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.


That's actually against the rules. But we know it does happen. Like, I Noah was linked to NY before free agency opened up and was offered a mammoth contract at 12:01.

[Dverde]

That's actually against the rules. But we know it does happen. Like, I Noah was linked to NY before free agency opened up and was offered a mammoth contract at 12:01.

It’s Lebron’s NBA now. So much shady stuff in the league. I couldn’t imagine the crazy illegal shit on Uncle Dennis’ phone right now.

[EricB]

It’s Lebron’s NBA now. So much shady stuff in the league. I couldn’t imagine the crazy illegal shit on Uncle Dennis’ phone right now.


Orher than Jerry West and him have been talking for a year?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

If all the crazy early spending dries up, and there's someone that will move the needle and will sign for the MLE? Then sure, they'll sign him. I just think that a lot of the guys we really want them to sign are just like wanting them to draft Rui at 19. It ain't gonna happen. And even though a guy like Baynes has some value as a big body in the middle, I really don't want his salary preventing the Spurs from getting a top-tier FA in '20. I don't think they want that either.

This offseason is going to be 2016 all over again. The big dominos will fall and then the teams that are left out of the Kyrie, Kawhi, Durant, Butler, Kemba, etc. sweepstakes who still have cap will panic and end up overspending on terrible players. Once everybody is out of cap space, there will be bargains to be had. I mean, somebody is actually going to spend >$16 million per year on 14 and 8 Bobby Portis with his negative defensive and offensive box score +/-, when the most notable thing he has ever done in his career is punch out Nikola Mirotic. Crazy pills.

[TD 21]

The Milutinov news would seem to point to their spending at least the majority of the MLE elsewhere, but logic and the Spurs have rarely intersected in recent years.

I've settled on the ideal, realistic off season being re-signing Gay, creating cap space or working a sign and trade (trade Bertans, Belinelli and if needed, a lottery protected 1st into cap space elsewhere) to acquire Bogdanovic, then using the MLE on JaMychal Green . . .

Starters: Green, Bogdanovic, Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray

Bench: Gay, White, Forbes, Poeltl, Mills

Deep bench/G-League: Walker, Center (for minimum), Metu, Samanic, Johnson

[Mugen]

The Milutinov news would seem to point to their spending at least the majority of the MLE elsewhere, but logic and the Spurs have rarely intersected in recent years.

I've settled on the ideal, realistic off season being re-signing Gay, creating cap space or working a sign and trade (trade Bertans, Belinelli and if needed, a lottery protected 1st into cap space elsewhere) to acquire Bogdanovic, then using the MLE on JaMychal Green . . .

Starters: Green, Bogdanovic, Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray

Bench: Gay, White, Forbes, Poeltl, Mills:lol

Deep bench/G-League: Walker, Center (for minimum), Metu, Samanic, Johnson

That'd be like an A+++ summer for even a competent organization that knew how to navigate free agency.....

For RC and Pop, that's like asking for the moon and beyond :lol

It's probably going to be re-sign Gay and then bring in Quincy/Dante 2.0 tbh. I could see one Bertans being moved but that's about it.

[NASpurs]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-free-agency-needs-and-potential-fits-for-every-western-conference-team/

San Antonio Spurs (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/SA/san-antonio-spurs/)

Needs: Wing scoring and depth, shooting, frontcourt depth

Potential fits: Rudy Gay, Jeff Green (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1231873/jeff-green), Justin Anderson (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2019667/justin-anderson), Jarell Martin (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2177913/jarell-martin), Trey Lyles

This summer figures to be a lot smoother for the Spurs after last year's chaos. There's no disgruntled superstar to trade, and they don't have any cap space, so they'll be working to add some depth where they can.

[Degoat]

I honestly don’t know who the spurs should target in FA, I’d say a big wing like demarre carrol but then that would take minutes away from Lonnie Walker probably... a third big would be okay I guess but Aldridge, Jakob will get most of minutes and Rudy & Davis will play the small ball 4 most of the time too

[MoSpur02]

https://twitter.com/siriusxmnba/status/1143990154757058560?s=21

[MoSpur02]

https://twitter.com/siriusxmnba/status/1143990154757058560?s=21

Rudy Gay talking about his upcoming free agency

[Dejounte]

Rudy Gay talking about his upcoming free agency

It sounds like it isnt a sure thing he comes back

[BackHome]

I would be shocked if he wasn’t signed.

[Leetonidas]

The way he said "really?" and started laughing made it seem like he isn't planning on leaving SA imo.