Spurs 2019 offseason thread

[kobyz]

This offseason is going to be 2016 all over again. The big dominos will fall and then the teams that are left out of the Kyrie, Kawhi, Durant, Butler, Kemba, etc. sweepstakes who still have cap will panic and end up overspending on terrible players. Once everybody is out of cap space, there will be bargains to be had. I mean, somebody is actually going to spend >$16 million per year on 14 and 8 Bobby Portis with his negative defensive and offensive box score +/-, when the most notable thing he has ever done in his career is punch out Nikola Mirotic. Crazy pills.
Portis will be perfect for mle getting..

[GusT15]

The way he said "really?" and started laughing made it seem like he isn't planning on leaving SA imo.

He followed that with "You're gonna get me in trouble man" as in he is not supposed to talk with teams as a free agent yet.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This is actually a pretty good look at the roster space situation.

https://projectspurs.com/2019/06/23/limited-roster-space-for-spurs-entering-free-agency/

Look at that crazy list of guards. And the only one on the list that I can see the Spurs wanting to part with right now is Belli. Walker hasn't had the exposure to be worth much, and they still have hopes that he develops into something special. They'll want to give Murray a chance to see if his All-Defense award was for real, and White is just plain necessary unless they come up with another PG. Mills and DDR are both have underwater contracts.

So that leaves Belli and Bertans as trade fodder, but they would 100% HAVE to get a 3P shooter for each of them. At mid-season, they might be more willing to package up one of the young guys for value, but right now I don't see that happening. So who could they get for Bertans' $7M or Belli's $6M who would be significantly better than either of them? There's no point making a trade that isn't a clear upgrade.

[venitian navigator]

My idea of an off season.
1) sign Gay to a two years (max 3 years) at a 10 mill. x
2) use the MLE on two reclamation projects (lets use our coaching staff and development training program as an asset to spend in contract negotiations with these kind of players : top five/10 draft pick based on talent with obvious developmental problems) splitting it on two four years contracts with first two years full guaranteed and second two years at team option; names? as a SF, SJ and as a big Dragan Bender:
3) explore the market on a 3 for one or two for one deals (our possible trade pieces being DDR, Belli, Forbes, Mills (I know it won't happen) and Davis (I'd like it won't happen).

[look_at_g_shred]

Celtics have become front runners to sign kemba once FA opens on Sunday per Woj

[look_at_g_shred]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/rockets-confident-about-landing-jimmy-butler/

[NASpurs]

Celtics have become front runners to sign kemba once FA opens on Sunday per Woj

I'm assuming the Hornets are about to blow it up. So many trash players on horrible contracts.

[timvp]

Celtics have become front runners to sign kemba once FA opens on Sunday per Woj

Celtics stumble into a better situation, as per their par. Kemba is a much better fit next to their youngsters than Kyrie was, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Woj is becoming a big market whore. Hard to take a anything he is reporting right now seriously

[DPG21920]

Woj is becoming a big market whore. Hard to take a anything he is reporting right now seriously

There is nothing hard about taking Woj serious

[NASpurs]

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[Pavlov]

A few interesting players not being extended. All flawed but seemingly useful.

[DPG21920]

CHA is a dumpster fire

[Leetonidas]

There is nothing hard about taking Woj serious

Did you forget the whole rumor he started about Wizards planning on making a crazy offer to lure Ujiri from the Raps which turned out to be BS?

[Leetonidas]

I'm just sayin, he's not the Woj of 2015 anymore tbh. Team Shams all the way

[DPG21920]

Did you forget the whole rumor he started about Wizards planning on making a crazy offer to lure Ujiri from the Raps which turned out to be BS?

It was valid. Washington did want it and after they realized they couldn’t get him if they tried they backed off. Not everything is a lock. Shams screwed up during the draft tbh..reported a team was taking Keldon (who ironically fell to SA) that did not.

[Leetonidas]

It was valid. Washington did want it and after they realized they couldn’t get him if they tried they backed off. Not everything is a lock. Shams screwed up during the draft tbh..reported a team was taking Keldon (who ironically fell to SA) that did not.
Good point on Shams, i do remember that. But that's a little different than speculating on FA decisions. Also legitimately curious where you saw that the rumor was valid? Iirc woj said they were preparing to make a huge offer and Leonsis flat out denied they ever had any interest in Ujiri last I had heard

[DPG21920]

Good point on Shams, i do remember that. But that's a little different than speculating on FA decisions. Also legitimately curious where you saw that the rumor was valid? Iirc woj said they were preparing to make a huge offer and Leonsis flat out denied they ever had any interest in Ujiri last I had heard

I read it a couple of places on Twitter. Makes sense to; even Woj commented on it this morning on ESPN. Washington got embarrassed some with Connelly from Denver turning them down. They didn’t want to get embarrassed again by making an offer to Masai only to be rebuked again knowing they didn’t really have a shot.

Both Shams and Woj are insane at breaking news. Anything either of them say should be taken very seriously. I don’t think people really understand how many “near deals” there always are. Something not happening is not really an indictment of their information. So much of this stuff is fluid and can change in an instant.

[MoSpur02]

Charlotte is looking to trade Batum

[Dverde]

Charlotte is looking to trade Batum

Maybe they’ll trade for Wall :lol

[MoSpur02]

Anthony Davis is waiving his trade kicker to get LA more money.

[NASpurs]

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[MoSpur02]

I don't see anyone trying to trade for Batum. His contract is horrible.

[Dverde]

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So the Wizards are going to be the shithead that helps them. Always one out there

[cd98]

So the Wizards are going to be the shithead that helps them. Always one out there

It's weird because they are absorbing those contracts. What are they getting to take on those contracts? Draft picks? I thought all those went to the Pelicans.

[Dverde]

It's weird because they are absorbing those contracts. What are they getting to take on those contracts? Draft picks? I thought all those went to the Pelicans.

Space Jam 2 cameos.

[gambit1990]

CHA is a dumpster fire
nothing new.

[sasaint]

Celtics stumble into a better situation, as per their par. Kemba is a much better fit next to their youngsters than Kyrie was, tbh.

Get Kemba and Capela and the Celts will have improved themselves this offseason.

[gambit1990]

Get Kemba and Capela and the Celts will have improved themselves this offseason.
no doubt.

looking forward to seeing boston beating kyrie and the nets in the POs.

[Keepin' it real]

Space Jam 2 cameos.

All sequels suck, except Leonard Part 6.

https://i1.wp.com/boomstickcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/4737.jpg

[BatManu20]

Get Kemba and Capela and the Celts will have improved themselves this offseason.

Agreed on both counts.

[BatManu20]

Just a reminder...


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[tbdog]

Agreed on both counts.

Capella needs passes to be good. CP and Harden are the best at that.

[sasaint]

Capella needs passes to be good. CP and Harden are the best at that.

Kemba isn’t too shabby. Plus their other players are very good secondary playmakers. Plus Harden isn’t nearly as concerned about passing to anybody as he is stroking his own.

[tbdog]

Harden and CP put on assists and Capella's roll game is very good. Decent hands, will finish off dunks. The roll must be guarded and shooters in the corner need to as well. Hence why Rockets were pretty good. I just don't think Capella will do well in Boston. And paying a rolling big that's not an great one on one defender in today's NBA, isn't wise.

[Chinook]

Charlotte is looking to trade Batum

Would be willing to take on Batum if the Hornets are legit willing to add assets to make it happen. Before the draft, I would have been okay with exchanging Bertans, Beli and Mills for Nic and a pick swap. Would have landed Doumbouya or Goga or potentially someone else the Spurs wanted more than Samanic. Now that that's over, I'd really need a first with a legit chance to convey to do a similar deal. It looks like 2020 won't be a great year to have cap space anyway. Getting a pick for $10 Million really isn't a bad deal at all. Batum has been horrible, but on paper, he's that bench SF or platoon PF the team needs, and he might be able to guide Samanic and Johnson in their development.

[kobyz]

Would be willing to take on Batum if the Hornets are legit willing to add assets to make it happen. Before the draft, I would have been okay with exchanging Bertans, Beli and Mills for Nic and a pick swap. Would have landed Doumbouya or Goga or potentially someone else the Spurs wanted more than Samanic. Now that that's over, I'd really need a first with a legit chance to convey to do a similar deal. It looks like 2020 won't be a great year to have cap space anyway. Getting a pick for $10 Million really isn't a bad deal at all. Batum has been horrible, but on paper, he's that bench SF or platoon PF the team needs, and he might be able to guide Samanic and Johnson in their development.

LOL, spurs would need to add an asset to get him, not otherwise...

[Chinook]

LOL, spurs would need to add an asset to get him, not otherwise...


:lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Kemba isn’t too shabby. Plus their other players are very good secondary playmakers. Plus Harden isn’t nearly as concerned about passing to anybody as he is stroking his own.

Typical guy.

[look_at_g_shred]

Kd and Kyrie to BKN apparently a done deal according to SAS

[GusT15]

Kd and Kyrie to BKN apparently a done deal according to SAS

So if KD and Kyrie sign with the Nets,and Kemba goes to Boston as Woj implied,the other big name FA are

Klay (GSW?)
Butler (Sixers?)
Harris (No idea)
Russell (Lakers?)
Horford (Dallas?)
Nephew (Fuck him)

And there are teams with max cap space like Clips (2),Knicks (2),Kings (1),Pacers (1),Pels (1).

A bunch of non max free agents are gonna get maxed by the looks of it.

[DPG21920]

LOL, spurs would need to add an asset to get him, not otherwise...

No. In fact, I think CHA would need to give up 2 picks to dump Batum for that package

[Dverde]

So if KD and Kyrie sign with the Nets,and Kemba goes to Boston as Woj implied,the other big name FA are

Klay (GSW?)
Butler (Sixers?)
Harris (No idea)
Russell (Lakers?)
Horford (Dallas?)
Nephew (Fuck him)

And there are teams with max cap space like Clips (2),Knicks (2),Kings (1),Pacers (1),Pels (1).

A bunch of non max free agents are gonna get maxed by the looks of it.

Harris seems like a good fit for Denver. A forgettable player on a forgettable team.

[kobyz]

No. In fact, I think CHA would need to give up 2 picks to dump Batum for that package

You just can't trade Bertans, Bellinelli and Mills without adding an asset for Batum, Batum is much more useful than those three combine, Charlotte not desperate to dump Batum two years contract at all...

[GusT15]

Harris seems like a good fit for Denver. A forgettable player on a forgettable team.

That would mean they didn't re-sign Milsap and that Rudy Gay would be able to guard their forward this time in the playoffs :tu

[Leetonidas]

You just can't trade Bertans, Bellinelli and Mills without adding an asset for Batum, Batum is much more useful than those three combine, Charlotte not desperate to dump Batum two years contract at all...

You don't know much about the current nba do you? :lol

[MoSpur02]

Just a reminder...


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Damn! Those are some horrible contracts. People on here act like the Spurs front office is the worst. Looking at that list should open their eyes a bit.

[DPG21920]

You just can't trade Bertans, Bellinelli and Mills without adding an asset for Batum, Batum is much more useful than those three combine, Charlotte not desperate to dump Batum two years contract at all...

You are incorrect

[Leetonidas]

Damn! Those are some horrible contracts. People on here act like the Spurs front office is the worst. Looking at that list should open their eyes a bit.

Except none of those teams that signed those players were contending for a chip. Gasol for 3 years 48 mil is just as bad if not worse tbh

[SpursDynasty85]

Would be willing to take on Batum if the Hornets are legit willing to add assets to make it happen. Before the draft, I would have been okay with exchanging Bertans, Beli and Mills for Nic and a pick swap. Would have landed Doumbouya or Goga or potentially someone else the Spurs wanted more than Samanic. Now that that's over, I'd really need a first with a legit chance to convey to do a similar deal. It looks like 2020 won't be a great year to have cap space anyway. Getting a pick for $10 Million really isn't a bad deal at all. Batum has been horrible, but on paper, he's that bench SF or platoon PF the team needs, and he might be able to guide Samanic and Johnson in their development.

Bertans and Belli are good assets but is Batum a good enough shooter to risk losing 3 out of our 4 best shooters?

[ceperez]

Would be willing to take on Batum if the Hornets are legit willing to add assets to make it happen. Before the draft, I would have been okay with exchanging Bertans, Beli and Mills for Nic and a pick swap. Would have landed Doumbouya or Goga or potentially someone else the Spurs wanted more than Samanic. Now that that's over, I'd really need a first with a legit chance to convey to do a similar deal. It looks like 2020 won't be a great year to have cap space anyway. Getting a pick for $10 Million really isn't a bad deal at all. Batum has been horrible, but on paper, he's that bench SF or platoon PF the team needs, and he might be able to guide Samanic and Johnson in their development.

Batum is $25m+ for next 3 years.

I wouldn't mind a trade sending DeRozan there with Batum and another asset.

Batum has better length and greater range than DeRozan. They are both equally inefficient and expensive.

[Leetonidas]

Batum is $25m+ for next 3 years.

I wouldn't mind a trade sending DeRozan there with Batum and another asset.

Batum has better length and greater range than DeRozan. They are both equally inefficient and expensive.

2 more years actually. 2nd year is a player option but I'm sure he'll exercise it. For 2 seasons I wouldn't mind Batum. He would be a huge expiring in 2021

[Ron Swanson]

Orlando is offering Vucevic a four year deal. I wonder if they’re willing to part with Bamba.

[TD 21]

The Milutinov news would seem to point to their spending at least the majority of the MLE elsewhere, but logic and the Spurs have rarely intersected in recent years.

I've settled on the ideal, realistic off season being re-signing Gay, creating cap space or working a sign and trade (trade Bertans, Belinelli and if needed, a lottery protected 1st into cap space elsewhere) to acquire Bogdanovic, then using the MLE on JaMychal Green . . .

Starters: Green, Bogdanovic, Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray

Bench: Gay, White, Forbes, Poeltl, Mills

Deep bench/G-League: Walker, Center (for minimum), Metu, Samanic, Johnson

Two things have changed this, 1) Supposedly Bogdanovic is the Pacers to lose and they plan to walk away from Young and start Sabonis in his stead. 2) Walker to the Celtics means the Hornets no longer need to pretend to be pseudo competitive to appease him and align with his timeline and can instead focus on cutting costs and re-building.

The Spurs should offer Bertans and Belinelli for Williams. The Hornets would save roughly $2.15M, get a look at a younger stretch four and improve their middling 3-point shooting. The Spurs would get a near ideal fit all the way around and avoid what could be something of a bidding war for Green.

They could fill out the roster with younger shooters, like Kaminsky (rumored interested) for a portion of the MLE and Korkmaz for the minimum . . .

Starters: Williams, DeRozan, Aldridge, Forbes, Murray

Bench: Gay, White, Mills, Poeltl, Walker

Deep bench/G-League: Kaminsky, Korkmaz, Metu, Samanic, Johnson

[look_at_g_shred]

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[Jsmythe]

I was reading this Pounding the Rock article: https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/6/28/18911355/improved-shooting-could-turn-a-healthy-dejounte-murray-into-a-star

and it linked to a spreadsheet by Jacob Goldstein of next year's projected PIPM (player impact plus-minus) numbers for all players. The full spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1728LOQY3PMC_gAOxzRBrZLyyxu0EMVaVD6k3LOur2sU but I pulled the numbers for all the Spurs players. As with all plus-minus stats, these should be taken with a grain of salt, but I found it to be interesting:


Player Age O-PIPM D-PIPM PIPM
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Derrick White 25 +0.42 +1.89 +2.31
Dejounte Murray 23 -1.03 +3.33 +2.30
Davis Bertans 27 +1.33 +0.33 +1.67
Jakob Poeltl 24 +0.06 +0.90 +0.97
LaMarcus Aldridge 34 +0.65 +0.31 +0.96
Rudy Gay 33 -0.49 +0.60 +0.11
DeMar DeRozan 30 +0.70 -1.08 -0.38
Patty Mills 31 +1.09 -2.04 -0.95
Bryn Forbes 26 -0.67 -0.53 -1.20
Lonnie Walker 21 -1.36 -0.11 -1.47
Chimezie Metu 22 -1.40 -0.11 -1.51
Drew Eubanks 22 -1.38 -0.13 -1.51
Quinndary Weatherspoon (R) 23 -0.79 -0.96 -1.75
Marco Belinelli 33 -0.08 -2.19 -2.27
Keldon Johnson (R) 20 -0.78 -1.50 -2.28
Luka Samanic (R) 20 -2.27 -1.46 -3.73

[cool cat]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

[GAustex]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

It’s happening gif

[GreekSpursfan]

It’s happening gif


One would hope but no.

[GAustex]

One would hope but no.
Alas then

[Leetonidas]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

Yeah doesn't seem particularly credible. One can hope though

[Cardinal]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

lol wtf is this account? Never heard of it. Can anyone speak to its legitimacy?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1144701600218398721

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TEastNBA/status/1144758365970673664

[ace3g]

• The Pacers hope to bring back Bojan Bogdanovic (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3593/bojan-bogdanovic), sources say, and they will toggle between Sabonis/Turner lineups and smaller groups featuring T.J. Warren (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2982334/tj-warren) at power forward.

via Zach Lowe

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27076686/seven-big-questions-heading-nba-crazy-free-agency

[slick'81]

via Zach Lowe

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27076686/seven-big-questions-heading-nba-crazy-free-agency

you mean they dont want that great bertans/belli offer!?

[NASpurs]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

Has as much credibility as Wojtek but prayingdog.jpg

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Pacers don't resign Thad Young Spurs should go after him

[GreekSpursfan]

If the Pacers don't resign Thad Young Spurs should go after him

If they plan on resigning Bojan Thad is probably the odd man out. We would play 4 vs 5 on offense but the options are limited so i guess yeah.

[sasaint]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

Who/what is this account?

[Ron Swanson]

Who/what is this account?

Probably some random ST poster.

[sasaint]

Probably some random ST poster.

:lol Yeah, the trying to clear cap space” comment was a dead give-away. Spurs wanted to do that exactly ONCE since I have been following them.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1144809554728738816

[cjw]

Just a reminder...


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But think about all those expiring contracts this year!

[gambit1990]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21
:hungry::hungry::hungry:

[gambit1990]

prove me wrong pop, move that loser.

i probably hate demar more than anyone on this forum. was constantly trashing the raps before they traded for kawhi.

[Leetonidas]

The owner of the account goes on to say they may not be Woj but they have "reliable sources." Also says its because the Spurs covet Bogdanovic. But honestly not like any of this is really groundbreaking stuff

[cjw]

Batum is $25m+ for next 3 years.

I wouldn't mind a trade sending DeRozan there with Batum and another asset.


Just two years left on Batum, not three.

Charlotte isn’t trading him BEFORE free agency and attaching an asset to move him. The price of doing so is higher than it will be in a month, as he won’t be clogging cap space for two free agency periods ... just one for the acquiring team. And they’re not doing anything with cap space either unless/until Kemba bounces.

[sasaint]

prove me wrong pop, move that loser.

i probably hate demar more than anyone on this forum. was constantly trashing the raps before they traded for kawhi.

I concede, and I don’t mind playing second fiddle.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KellyIkoNBA/status/1144810836730531840

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1144823402017906689

[Ice009]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

If true, why are they looking to clear cap space before training camp? Shouldn't it be before free agency? Isn't clearing cap space after free agency too late to use it for this season when all the good players are already likely to be signed?

[gambit1990]

If true, why are they looking to clear cap space before training camp? Shouldn't it be before free agency? Isn't clearing cap space after free agency too late to use it for this season when all the good players are already likely to be signed?
that’s what i thought too.

it’s curious.

[slick'81]

Once i read allstar guard demar derozan i stopped reading

[bluebellmaniac]

Grain of salt tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/basketballrehab/status/1144745481551122436?s=21

Pretty sure the FO doesn't tell the league office what their plans are for aquiring or trading players.

[XDT76]

If true, why are they looking to clear cap space before training camp? Shouldn't it be before free agency? Isn't clearing cap space after free agency too late to use it for this season when all the good players are already likely to be signed?

My thoughts too, the news doesn't make sense. By then all the useful pieces will be gone.

[cool cat]

The owner of the account goes on to say they may not be Woj but they have "reliable sources." Also says its because the Spurs covet Bogdanovic. But honestly not like any of this is really groundbreaking stuff

Yeah I think he is more of a tea leave reader then any type of true insider.

[mo7888]

If true, why are they looking to clear cap space before training camp? Shouldn't it be before free agency? Isn't clearing cap space after free agency too late to use it for this season when all the good players are already likely to be signed?

I have no idea if that site is credible but, I took the tweet as meaning they were looking to trade him after all the big time FA's are spoken for and teams who lost out are looking to use their cap. Maybe we could trade him into that and use our space to get a lesser FA who is still on the market.

[BacktoBasics]

I get those wanting to trade DDR and if it clears the way for a prospect or another bigger name FA I'm for it but the whole idea that we can salary dump him and come out with a net positive shows just how ridiculous and absurd this forum can be at times. SA is 100% not going to land any top tier FA's and their not landing most of the second level guys either.

If clearing DDR and landing Bogs opens up room to add another rotation player then it might be worth it but salary dumping DDR straight up to land Bogs isn't enough to move the meter. I get that he's a better fit but unless there's another move partnered up or as a result of a Bogs signing this isn't a great idea. Certainly not an idea the FO would entertain.

The allure of Bogs has clouded ST judgement. You guys have way over valued him.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1145002136771715072

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145004888788819969

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145011429369683968

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1145018267737575427

[buujness]

https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1145002136771715072Very interesting. If he signs there, Griffin will have done a hell of a job reshaping the Pelicans in one offseason.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/dchinellato/status/1144985581082021888

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1145025646600609792

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145040433174765568

[CGD]

Very interesting. If he signs there, Griffin will have done a hell of a job reshaping the Pelicans in one offseason.

He’d be great there. I thought LMA would be a nice piece there too, but Hortford would bring leadership

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheFrankIsola/status/1145048041965129728

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1145042313024102400

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145048583961567232

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1145051392014475265

[SpurPadre]

LOL, some of you guys are really falling for another tspence bullshit?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Trobinson0/status/1145053130276724738

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/Trobinson0/status/1145053130276724738

lmao

[lmbebo]

Wonder if the knicks would look at DDR if they strike out in FA? He's a player that could help for 1 year, and potentially preserve cap space for an underwhelming 2020 free agent season.

[mo7888]

Wonder if the knicks would look at DDR if they strike out in FA? He's a player that could help for 1 year, and potentially preserve cap space for an underwhelming 2020 free agent season.

Sure, but what would we want from them?

[lmbebo]

Sure, but what would we want from them?


Not sure. Knox? Barrett :D

[Ron Swanson]

LOL, some of you guys are really falling for another tspence bullshit?

TSpence was right about Gasol... just a couple of years off. :lol

[sasaint]

He’d be great there. I thought LMA would be a nice piece there too, but Hortford would bring leadership

Totally agree.

[Degoat]

So what is Thomas Robinson gonna be the spurs Free agent signing :lmao lol seriously though not seeing anything about who spurs have interested other then Jabari young’s tweets but we all know how reliable he is

[mo7888]

Not sure. Knox? Barrett :D

We might could get Knox, maybe they give a future 1st instead... that's not how I'd prefer to move forward but, if we have the right acquisition in place to use the cap that could work for us.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1145066289632874498

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145058418463563776

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145068763345248258

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145070372578107394

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BTRowland/status/1145072652207501312

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1145072706536247296

[NASpurs]

Future incoming Spur

1145074761527111681

[r0drig0lac]

Future incoming Spur

1145074761527111681

no please

[TD 21]

If the interest is significant, then he'll probably require a virtually guaranteed rotation spot to commit and that's something the Spurs should have no interest in providing.

If they could address the big wing need via trade with Bertans going the other way in the exchange, I'd have been fine signing him for a portion of the MLE to be the fifth big, but I wouldn't go beyond that.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1145080608252710914

[mo7888]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Charlotte has been scouring the free agent point guard market, considering such options as Elfrid Peyton, TJ McConnell, Ish Smith and Emmanuel Mudiay, league sources tell ESPN.



Patty Mills please..

[palangi]

Sure, but what would we want from them?

Knox and Mitchell

[cool cat]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Charlotte has been scouring the free agent point guard market, considering such options as Elfrid Peyton, TJ McConnell, Ish Smith and Emmanuel Mudiay, league sources tell ESPN.



Patty Mills please..

That’s a loose use of the term “options”.

[FutureMan]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Charlotte has been scouring the free agent point guard market, considering such options as Elfrid Peyton, TJ McConnell, Ish Smith and Emmanuel Mudiay, league sources tell ESPN.



Patty Mills please..

This is the best time to trade Patty

A Mills for Williams or Kidd-Gilchrist swap would also save them money this upcoming season as well

[mo7888]

That’s a loose use of the term “options”.

:rollin

[NASpurs]

1145090324370530308

[timtonymanu]

: lol Nets. Throw away everything good you built so you can become the next team Kyrie Irving bitches and moans his way off the team again

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145011429369683968

I thought Millsap would have been a sneaky MLE option for the Spurs if Denver declined that option. Guess we'll never know.

[gambit1990]

nets making a huge mistake with irving... why didn't they even try to go after kemba ???

https://media.giphy.com/media/13ATyLQB0rLVzG/giphy.gif

[gambit1990]

a live look at sean marks in the future:
https://media3.giphy.com/media/G4rIGiMVtrJ1S/giphy.gif

[Clipper Nation]

nets making a huge mistake with irving... why didn't they even try to go after kemba ???

The Celtics have probably been tampering with him ever since things started going south with Kyrie. How else do you explain them already having a deal in place before free agency?

[gambit1990]

maybe kyrie can unjam his head from his ass... but even then, his attitude and even style of play need adjustments.

he's now getting what he expected to get when he was in boston: a team he can control. and team that would actually need him...

[gambit1990]

poor CHA fans :lol

i will never understand what jordan has been trying to do...

[HarlemHeat37]

I like the move for Brooklyn, getting Kyrie gives them a real shot at Durant and it helps them in the short-term, as well..Irving won't be causing any issues with the current roster, either, since there isn't an alternative to him..

[mo7888]

I like the move for Brooklyn, getting Kyrie gives them a real shot at Durant and it helps them in the short-term, as well..Irving won't be causing any issues with the current roster, either, since there isn't an alternative to him..

And hes only about 5M more per year than Russell and a much better player.

[HarlemHeat37]

And hes only about 5M more per year than Russell and a much better player.

Russell also has worse shot selection and even worse defense than Kyrie:lol

[GreekSpursfan]

Nets got 100% better with Kyrie instead of DLO. Very good move by Sean Marks. People are just prisoners of the moment. I think they're gonna sign KD as well now.

[cd021]

I get those wanting to trade DDR and if it clears the way for a prospect or another bigger name FA I'm for it but the whole idea that we can salary dump him and come out with a net positive shows just how ridiculous and absurd this forum can be at times. SA is 100% not going to land any top tier FA's and their not landing most of the second level guys either.

If clearing DDR and landing Bogs opens up room to add another rotation player then it might be worth it but salary dumping DDR straight up to land Bogs isn't enough to move the meter. I get that he's a better fit but unless there's another move partnered up or as a result of a Bogs signing this isn't a great idea. Certainly not an idea the FO would entertain.

The allure of Bogs has clouded ST judgement. You guys have way over valued him.

Swapping out DDR for Bojan would be an clear improvement. DeRozan is more talented, for sure, but DDR was a poor fit as evident by the fact that the Spurs were better with him off the floor this past season in the RS and PS.

His lack of shooting mean that he needs the ball to be effective but White is as good of a play maker as he is ,already, and probably needs to be the one running the offense. Bojan is a 50/40/80 shooter that wouldn't need to dominate the ball and closer to average defensively- a big upgrade over DeRozan.

White, Murray, Bojan, Gay, Aldridge
Mills, Forbes, Walker, Bertans, Poeltl

Thats a much better rotation, with 4 shooters and a rim runner on the bench and potentially 4 shooters around Aldridge with White and Murray being able to take on more play making responsibilities. That's a top 10 defense and offense, compared to 20th and 7th last season.

[NASpurs]

1145108674311942144

[GreekSpursfan]

1145108674311942144

I think this goes to another thread called "The flimsy Lakers".

[spurraider21]

a live look at sean marks in the future:
https://media3.giphy.com/media/G4rIGiMVtrJ1S/giphy.gif
a for effort i guess

[SpurPadre]

TSpence was right about Gasol... just a couple of years off. :lol

I wonder if he knew Kawhi would turn into a piece of shit two years before it happened, tbh.

[LCM]

Completely hypothetical jibberish .... if the Clippers had to move Gallinari's contract, should the Spurs be interested?

[mo7888]

Completely hypothetical jibberish .... if the Clippers had to move Gallinari's contract, should the Spurs be interested?

If we cant get bogdanovic maybe if we can move bertans and belli (Bello going to a 3rd team and clips paying the compensation to get him there) for gallo then yes we should be interested. He'd expired on the same timeline and can play minutes at the 3 and 4 and space the court. A DJ, white, DDR, gallo, and Aldrich lineup would be interesting.

[r0drig0lac]

Completely hypothetical jibberish .... if the Clippers had to move Gallinari's contract, should the Spurs be interested?

very good player

[CGD]

Swapping out DDR for Bojan would be an clear improvement. DeRozan is more talented, for sure, but DDR was a poor fit as evident by the fact that the Spurs were better with him off the floor this past season in the RS and PS.

His lack of shooting mean that he needs the ball to be effective but White is as good of a play maker as he is ,already, and probably needs to be the one running the offense. Bojan is a 50/40/80 shooter that wouldn't need to dominate the ball and closer to average defensively- a big upgrade over DeRozan.

White, Murray, Bojan, Gay, Aldridge
Mills, Forbes, Walker, Bertans, Poeltl

Thats a much better rotation, with 4 shooters and a rim runner on the bench and potentially 4 shooters around Aldridge with White and Murray being able to take on more play making responsibilities. That's a top 10 defense and offense, compared to 20th and 7th last season.

I also think it can make sense for Indy. Clearly the only reason you make the move is because Bojan declined your offer. Oladipo is gone for most of the year, so a “star” who can fill the stats this season could be a welcome addition. If he opts out next summer, no harm foul, you were losing Bojan anyway. Oladipo comes back healthy.

[tonight...you]

I think this goes to another thread called "The flimsy Lakers".
The Mighty Window Lickers!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/CarmichaelDave/status/1145126248781189121

[LCM]

If we cant get bogdanovic maybe if we can move bertans and belli (Bello going to a 3rd team and clips paying the compensation to get him there) for gallo then yes we should be interested. He'd expired on the same timeline and can play minutes at the 3 and 4 and space the court. A DJ, white, DDR, gallo, and Aldrich lineup would be interesting.

With all the talk about Durant/KL team up discussion today, it made me wonder. Got on a trade machine site, not ESPN, and played a big game of 'what if'. I made it where we would take on Gallinari's contract, which is 5.1 million cheaper than DeMar, and then if you trade Belli and Bertans, you have 18 million in room for Boggy. Spurs would then still have the MLE, and Rudy's bird rights still in tact. It was like two trades, one a three team trade and the other a four team trade. So, like I said, very hypothetical, but very fun.

[Realdeal1]

I’m not getting my hopes up for anything happening .. pretty much expect the spurs to do the following and call it a day

1)Re-sign Rudy Gay ( loyalty contract)
2) Extend / max out Derozan
3) add an underwhelming scrub with the MLE to fill out a need on the roster

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BenStinar/status/1145125981956558848

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1145124276942639104

https://twitter.com/omarisankofa/status/1145122161260204032

https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/1145112066975551488

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145110125587456007

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1145120186879471617

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145137455986814977

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145138006107578368

[Big P]

https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1145120186879471617

The Jazz were looking at Mirotic, but since he's going back to Europe, looks like they have their eyes on Bojan....they have the cap space to offer him a $15+ mil. contract and we would have to hope for a s&t...not looking good.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1145155004493377542

[LCM]

With all the talk of KD/KL team up today, having Jimmy Butler here is interesting. Woj was talking of JB being in Miami with Heat on Sunday and talking to Rockets in LA about a S&T when free agency starts. If Butler goes with KL to Clippers, then Galinari is in play because they have to move his contract, and Durant is going to go to Nets with Kyrie. Nets doctor did the surgery on his Achilles tendon. And the Knicks will be the team with all the cap space in the world looking for bad contracts to absorb with first round picks attached. If the Spurs are really wanting Bogdonovic, or even a player like Galinari, they will need to be ready to move and move quick.

[objective]

I'm in agreement with the others earlier in this thread:

Charlotte now needs a placeholder point guard while they tank, and Mills would be perfect

Mills for Marvin Williams. Hell, Mills+Milutinov for Williams, it's not like the Spurs are going to sign him. I think Williams is washed up, but I would hate to see Mills getting underserved minutes and hurting the progress of White or Walker or Murray.

[Russ]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145137455986814977

I could see that happening for the Clippers.

Kawhi likely doesn't want to carry aging and injury-prone co-stars (in part because he aspires to be both).

The Clippers young, hungry lineup (ala Jerry West) might appeal to Kawhi a bit more.

[LCM]

I'm in agreement with the others earlier in this thread:

Charlotte now needs a placeholder point guard while they tank, and Mills would be perfect

Mills for Marvin Williams. Hell, Mills+Milutinov for Williams, it's not like the Spurs are going to sign him. I think Williams is washed up, but I would hate to see Mills getting underserved minutes and hurting the progress of White or Walker or Murray.

Charlotte is looking at Kemba and Lamb walking along with TP retiring. They'd be left with Monk, Bridges, Bacon, and Graham. Heard they are looking at Rozier, Mudiay, Payton ... send some combo of Mills/Belli/Bertans to Hornets, whoever is cheaper for Jordan to swallow, send Williams to Pacers so we can do a S&T for Boggy.

[Degoat]

Gotta imagine they’ll wanna unload Nicholas Batum even more now :wakeup could a package of patty, Bertans, Marco work? Idk if I’d even do that to be honest lol

[Ron Swanson]

People in this thread posting these trade scenarios where we move Patty. :lmao

[LCM]

Gotta imagine they’ll wanna unload Nicholas Batum even more now :wakeup could a package of patty, Bertans, Marco work? Idk if I’d even do that to be honest lol

Not unless your sending Batum somewhere like the Knicks who will have the cap space to absorb the contract, will probably cost at least a first round pick, but you would have those contracts off your books.

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1145155004493377542

:lol Wtf? Does he mean JJ Redick?

[gambit1990]

clips were cool this past season. really hope kd doesn't go there and ruin them for me. go to the nets or knicks.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145178732023484417

[spurraider21]

we like what we have

[Ice009]

Man, if the Clippers end up with a pairing of Kawhi and Jimmy Butler, then they would have done what the Spurs should have done in that draft. Draft both Kawhi and Jimmy. I'd have great respect for Jerry West if he could pull that off. I think they'd be a great pairing. I think it would be like a Jordan/Pippen type combination. Jimmy plays defense and can also run the PG like Pippen did at times.

[timtonymanu]

People in this thread posting these trade scenarios where we move Patty. :lmao

[TXstbobcat]

:lol Wtf? Does he mean JJ Redick?

yeah. his first name is Jonathan.

[Dverde]

Man, if the Clippers end up with a pairing of Kawhi and Jimmy Butler, then they would have done what the Spurs should have done in that draft. Draft both Kawhi and Jimmy. I'd have great respect for Jerry West if he could pull that off. I think they'd be a great pairing. I think it would be like a Jordan/Pippen type combination. Jimmy plays defense and can also run the PG like Pippen did at times.

Just imagine Patrick Beverly with them.

[HarlemHeat37]

Vucevic deal is solid, they couldn't really let him go since Orlando doesn't attract FAs, but it's one of those moves that just confirms a treadmill future:lol

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1145190695377895424

[Clipper Nation]

I could see that happening for the Clippers.

Kawhi likely doesn't want to carry aging and injury-prone co-stars (in part because he aspires to be both).

The Clippers young, hungry lineup (ala Jerry West) might appeal to Kawhi a bit more.

Not only that, but we could S&T Gallo for Butler and assemble a Kawhi-Butler-Horford Big Three. That core with the depth we'd still have would be title favorites, imo. I still think KD should be our top priority as a second star if Kawhi's coming, though.

[gambit1990]

we like what we have
:lol

[Clipper Nation]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145178732023484417

Why did they draft Bamba only to turn around and spend that much money on a veteran who disappeared in the playoffs?

[gambit1990]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145178732023484417
shoulda gone elsewhere cause the magic are going nowhere. but loyal i guess. so he'll be a spur in ten years.

[gambit1990]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1145190695377895424
very smart for HOU.

potentially replacing capela for a fraction of the price. mcgee should've been on the spurs' radar for years. but he likes rap, has a grill, and only speaks one language so he wasn't.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1145196649284808705

[TimDunkem]

Too bas the Spurs are one of those teams with no capspace or moveable pieces (that they would actually part with).

[gambit1990]

mcgee would the perfect C to compliment la. athletic, long, cheap. even at 31 he'd be much better next to la than poeltl.

who was the last C the spurs even had that somewhat resembled mcgree? francisco elson? :lol

spurs vastly underestimate the value of easy buckets.

[FutureMan]

shoulda gone elsewhere cause the magic are going nowhere. but loyal i guess. so he'll be a spur in ten years.

Well that’s wrong to say the least. The Magic made one of the biggest leaps this past year and will probably get a higher seed next year as well

[TimDunkem]

mcgee would the perfect C to compliment la. athletic, long, cheap. even at 31 he'd be much better next to la than poeltl.

who was the last C the spurs even had that somewhat resembled mcgree? francisco elson? :lol

spurs vastly underestimate the value of easy buckets.

The Spurs don't have great passers anyway. Can anyone on this team even throw a lob consistently?

[cjw]

People around here forgetting that these teams using cap space have to renounce many of their own FA cap holds to get there, and it also takes away your MLE.

One person proposes teaming Beverly with Kawhi/Butler on Clippers. Is he taking the tiny room exception? Probably not.

Likewise, if Spurs absorbed Gallinari to facilitate the Clippers and sent out DDR, Bertans and Beli to create room, it’s Bogdanovic OR the MLE, not both.

[gambit1990]

Well that’s wrong to say the least. The Magic made one of the biggest leaps this past year and will probably get a higher seed next year as well
i did forget their HC was steve clifford, i like that guy.

even if they get a higher seed their ceiling next year is 2nd round at best. they won't draw FAs but maybe they can make a trade. but even then, i don't see them being better than the 6ers, bucks, a potential nets team with kyrie & kd, a raps team with kawhi, a raps team without kawhi but with siakam and a motivated masai.

that's really what i mean about going nowhere. i always think big picture.

[gambit1990]

The Spurs don't have great passers anyway. Can anyone on this team even throw a lob consistently?
that's half of the issue... who needs to know how to throw a lob consistently if there isn't someone to consistently throw a lob to?

[GAustex]

that's half of the issue... who needs to know how to throw a lob consistently if there isn't someone to consistently throw a lob to?
It is kind of sad when they try to throw it to LMA

If I recall Bertrans is not bad throwing a lob when he gets a head of stream going to the hoop

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1145196649284808705
we like what we have

[Fusternino]

I posted on the Spurs subreddit we should sign McGee using a portion of the MLE and was downvoted to oblivion.

BTW, Clips would look to move Gallinari for LESS salary not more to ensure they have two max slots available. Unbelievable how even a year ago his contract was an albatross.

We'd be helping them get Kawhi + Butler (for example) but I'd do it for Mills and a pick.

[Fusternino]

Actually, we would need to send out more salary so throw in Marco to get it done.

[csy1911]

Does Spurs have any chance to sign Derrick Favors if UTAH buyout his contract?

[childishbambi]

Probably a tough get, but what about adding Brogdon and Bogdonavic?

White | Murray
Brogdon | Forbes | Weatherspoon?
Bogdonavic | Walker | Johnson
Gay | Samanic
Aldridge | Poetl | Eubanks?


Brogdon really seems to be a 'character' kind of person that Greg could value enough to pay a premium.

And it's possible to still have the RMLE (9.7MM over two years). Could be used on Milutinov, House Jr., Singleton, Layman, Kornet, Kleber, and get rid of Poetl the year after this coming season depending on his production.

[tbdog]

I don't get the love for Brogdon. We have White ffs.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1145196649284808705

Probably 80% of all teams while the Spurs spend the MLE on a 34-year old veteran and call it a day smh

[tbdog]

I posted on the Spurs subreddit we should sign McGee using a portion of the MLE and was downvoted to oblivion.

BTW, Clips would look to move Gallinari for LESS salary not more to ensure they have two max slots available. Unbelievable how even a year ago his contract was an albatross.

We'd be helping them get Kawhi + Butler (for example) but I'd do it for Mills and a pick.

I'd love to have Gaili, and it would take Beli and Mills for it work under the trade rules. And that only saves them 4 mil.

[Fusternino]

True, they'd rather trade him to a team that can just take him into cap space and probably also want real assets.

[playblair]

spurs have received trade calls for bertans but have declined each trade

https://theathletic.com/1053501/2019/06/29/as-free-agency-nears-nba-rumblings-have-spurs-seeking-frontcourt-help-so-here-are-some-suggestions/

[MoSpur02]

Nets continue to shop Joe Harris. He'll make $7.6 million this season and will be a free agent next season. Would like the Spurs to jump on this opportunity.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Nets continue to shop Joe Harris. He'll make $7.6 million this season and will be a free agent next season. Would like the Spurs to jump on this opportunity.

Would be a great fit

[Degoat]

I know spurs usually operate quietly but there hasnt been any credible speculation on what the spurs might do :reading

[MoSpur02]

Would be a great fit

I agree. He's is great three point shooter, but more than that. Great passer and can play decent defense. I think he's a smart player too.

[YoungbuckMurray]

I agree. He's is great three point shooter, but more than that. Great passer and can play decent defense. I think he's a smart player too.
What do you think the cost would be? We would need to move out similar money correct?

[kobyz]

Nets continue to shop Joe Harris. He'll make $7.6 million this season and will be a free agent next season. Would like the Spurs to jump on this opportunity.

poor man Bogdanovic

[CGD]

I agree. He's is great three point shooter, but more than that. Great passer and can play decent defense. I think he's a smart player too.

What sweetener to Belli’s matching salary do you send back considering he’s an UFA next summer?

I’d also bring in his UVA teammate Justin Anderson as a rehab project.

[YoungbuckMurray]

What sweetener to Belli’s matching salary do you send back considering he’s an UFA next summer?

I’d also bring in his UVA teammate Justin Anderson as a rehab project.

Id give up a 1st for sure

[CGD]

Id give up a 1st for sure

For real? I haven’t really watched him play enough to know one way or another, but that seems steep for a player that can walk next summer.

[JeffDuncan]

Nets continue to shop Joe Harris. He'll make $7.6 million this season and will be a free agent next season. Would like the Spurs to jump on this opportunity.

Why? I mean, what do they want instead?

[YoungbuckMurray]

For real? I haven’t really watched him play enough to know one way or another, but that seems steep for a player that can walk next summer.
The way I look at it is he’s a really good player, one of the best 3 point shooters in the game and can defend. He’s pretty much what we need. With us drafting so many players the last few years I’m okay getting Harris and locking him up long term for a 1st

[Kurik]

Definitely a fan of Harris long term especially over Bogdanovic. Though I will say his entire game struggled in the playoffs against Philly, hopefully a fluke.

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1145196649284808705

Spurs have 3 shooters on favorable 1 year deals (Forbes, Beli, and Bertans) plus draft picks to attach in a S&T....

And they're still gonna keep the powder dry, smh. I really hate this FO once the draft is done.

[MoSpur02]

Why? I mean, what do they want instead?

I'm thinking it's a salary cap issue. She'd salary because of the hopes of landing Kyrie and another superstar.

[Russ]

Spurs have 3 shooters on favorable 1 year deals (Forbes, Beli, and Bertans) plus draft picks to attach in a S&T....

And they're still gonna keep the powder dry, smh. I really hate this FO once the draft is done.

Relax. A ton of crippling (for years) mistakes are about to be made. Just not by the Spurs . . .

[Mugen]

Just relax. A ton of crippling (for years) mistakes are about to be made. Just not by the Spurs . . .

Spurs have had their fair share of crippling mistakes the last 4 years tbh, they're not immune from it.

[Russ]

Spurs have had their fair share of crippling mistakes the last 4 years tbh, they're not immune from it.

Therefore, no need to make chancy moves. The Spurs draft was so good they can just smile and watch the show . . .

[CGD]

Definitely a fan of Harris long term especially over Bogdanovic. Though I will say his entire game struggled in the playoffs against Philly, hopefully a fluke.

Can he defend the 3?

[YoungbuckMurray]

Sounds like Rubio to Indy. I’m not a cap guy does that change anything in terms of bogo?

[YoungbuckMurray]

Sounds like Rubio to Indy. I’m not a cap guy does that change anything in terms of bogo?

[MoSpur02]

Can he defend the 3?

In my opinion yes. He's not gonna be defensive player of the year, but he's actually a pretty good defender.

[CGD]

Sounds like Rubio to Indy. I’m not a cap guy does that change anything in terms of bogo?

Not likely since they can use bird rights on him. The real questions are: what is Indy’s walk away number and does Bojan has a different team preference altogether?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1145366318075568128

[JeffDuncan]

I'm thinking it's a salary cap issue. She'd salary because of the hopes of landing Kyrie and another superstar.

That's what I was thinking too, unless it was known they wanted a backup forward or center, or whatever, but I haven't seen anything like that. So, they probably want to free up the money, as they shop for stars. In that case they'd prefer draft picks, I guess. Unlikely they'd want to do a player trade, and take on another contract.

Harris is listed at 6'6". 27 years old. If we could move Belinelli elsewhere..... It would take a multi-team deal. There's no roster space for Harris without moving a guard.

Belinelli to team x for draft picks. Just clear that roster spot. Take those picks, maybe add a Spurs pick, to the Nets for Harris. Some sort of deal like that. The financial cost would be Harris at 7.67 minus Beli at 5.85, so about $1.82 million. I would like it.

Hell, since he's 6'6" we could sell Pop on Harris being a small forward. :lol

[MoSpur02]

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1145366318075568128

Nice

[Leetonidas]

Wouldn't be mad with Aminu. Not many SFs available. He's nothing special but would be a solid rotational player

[Dverde]

Sounds like Rubio to Indy. I’m not a cap guy does that change anything in terms of bogo?

Ricky Rubio tour of boring ass NBA cities continues. I remember when he wanted to go to a flashier place than Minnesota.

[Dverde]

Wouldn't be mad with Aminu. Not many SFs available. He's nothing special but would be a solid rotational player

I’d be thrilled with Aminu. I’m expecting a free agent on a tier below him or nothing.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1145354628428652545

https://twitter.com/MarcoMerlinoOCT/status/1145242694177964032

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145348127693647872

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145367490463248386

[r0drig0lac]

I wanted this guy in San Antonio since 2016

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145367490463248386

Pels going on the Sean Marks / Nets route, creating a competitive team

[Leetonidas]

Does the league not give a shit about tampering unless it's LA or what? What's the point of having moved free agency up to today at 5 and were already hearing about numerous deals agreed to or planning to be agreed to

[Dverde]

Does the league not give a shit about tampering unless it's LA or what? What's the point of having moved free agency up to today at 5 and were already hearing about numerous deals agreed to or planning to be agreed to

Madam Silver is a wuss and won’t address it. His BFF Lebron Will ground him for a week. Seems easier to open free agency two days after the Finals and allow signings a week after that.

[kobyz]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145367490463248386

he is a lot like Mirotic who just made the other way around back to euro

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145373832288579584

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145374045048889344

[ace3g]

SMH....

Unless they use some of those guards to acquire a SF aka the most important position in today's NBA.

https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/1145375686510764032

[Ron Swanson]

1145377368061562881

[Degoat]

Would love to see the spurs get Aminu

[cjw]

Spurs have had their fair share of crippling mistakes the last 4 years tbh, they're not immune from it.

Mills and Gasol were bad deals. But nothing close to some of the crap that got signed up to when the cap jumped. Guys were getting signed to $20+ a year for four years who were below replacement level.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1145382908481417217

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1145355034676383744

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145389006802366464

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1145393449987973120

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145397820410793984

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1145398487615328256

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145397820410793984

South of $50 mil a year? Fuck that.

[DPG21920]

I can’t see Dedmon getting more than a full MLE offer - no way. Don’t think he would be priced out of SA at all.

Lillard getting the max, no discounts, might end up being killer for POR next few years.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I just saw that the league has set the cap for this year at just over $109M. It looks to me like the Spurs have about $103M in salaries (plus the balance of Pau's deal) on the books, including the two new rookies. Roughly $6M below the cap.

So are they going to be able to, say, trade Belli's roughly $6M contract, and take back a $12M player with that room
Then hire Gay with Early Bird (Max for him under early bird would be about 2/$35M, assuming they don't go longer.)
Then still have the Room MLE? (The Room MLE will be about $5.1M at this cap level.)

If I'm not missing anything, that's a substantially better situation than I'd been thinking.

[Dejounte]

I can’t see Dedmon getting more than a full MLE offer - no way. Don’t think he would be priced out of SA at all.

Lillard getting the max, no discounts, might end up being killer for POR next few years.

Portland has never been a threat for anything. Pretenders year in and year out.

[DPG21920]

I just saw that the league has set the cap for this year at just over $109M. It looks to me like the Spurs have about $103M in salaries (plus the balance of Pau's deal) on the books, including the two new rookies. Roughly $6M below the cap.

So are they going to be able to, say, trade Belli's roughly $6M contract, and take back a $12M player with that room
Then hire Gay with Early Bird (Max for him under early bird would be about 2/$35M, assuming they don't go longer.)
Then still have the Room MLE? (The Room MLE will be about $5.1M at this cap level.)

If I'm not missing anything, that's a substantially better situation than I'd been thinking.

You’re missing Rudy’s cap hold. SA, in order to have any meaningful cap space would need to trade away Beli+others with no salary back and renounce Rudy.

[ZeusWillJudge]

You’re missing Rudy’s cap hold. SA, in order to have any meaningful cap space would need to trade away Beli+others with no salary back and renounce Rudy.


Ah hell. Rudy's cap hold. Can't have it both ways, can you?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145409029151363072

[YoungbuckMurray]

You’re missing Rudy’s cap hold. SA, in order to have any meaningful cap space would need to trade away Beli+others with no salary back and renounce Rudy.
How much is rudy’s Cap hold?

[NASpurs]

1145409139079671814

[DPG21920]

Ah hell. Rudy's cap hold. Can't have it both ways, can you?

Sure, just means moving more money. Like if you trade DeRozan, you can keep the cap hold for Rudy and still have sizable cap room. To get to 12M in cap space While keeping Rudy’s cap hold (so you could exceed cap And re-sign him and bring in a 12M player), SA would need to:

Renounce all cap holds except Rudy
Sign Luka and Keldon to their Rookie Scale deals
Defer Milu
Renounce MLE & Bi-Annual Exceptions

If they did that, SA would be at -7.9M in cap space.

That means to get to 12M in cap space, SA would need to trade 20M in salaries with taking nothing back:

So something like Mills and Bertans moved would get you close while being able to keep Rudy.