"Muh Sweden."

[TimDunkem]

Sweden lost, tbh. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Must be some great rave to be shitposting for 30 hours straight. :lol


Still.:lmao

[tholdren]

:lmao

You back on the board now that I dont pm you back?

Odd

[Winehole23]

This message is hidden because f:spinldren is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[TimDunkem]

Fold is soooo mad. :lmao 30 hours and counting.

[ChumpDumper]

You back on the board now that I dont pm you back?

OddProve I PMd you.

Or fold.

[ChumpDumper]

Fold is soooo mad. :lmao 30 hours and counting.He wants manlove now.:lol

[tholdren]

Prove I PMd you.

Or fold.

Lololooolooolll

Chumpdump you dont want that. Then people would know your secret

[TimDunkem]

The old man HS basketball star of '74 is now lying about going to raves in Brazil and being asked out by ST members.

This is quite a unique meltdown.

[ChumpDumper]

Lololooolooolll

Chumpdump you dont want that. Then people would know your secretfoldren folds

Why do you lie about every single thing?

[ChumpDumper]

The old man HS basketball star of '74 is now lying about going to raves in Brazil and being asked out by ST members.

This is quite a unique meltdown.He's got terrible diaper rash.

[TimDunkem]

foldren folds

Why do you lie about every single thing?
:lmao he's really trying to make the secret dms a thing

Not after The Meltdown

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao he's really trying to make the secret dms a thing

Not after The Meltdownhe's folding faster than derp now

[boutons_deux]

Sweden’s Top Epidemiologist Says Herd Immunity Is a Mystery

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iXvcFtFE6LeA/v0/1000x-1.jpg

The man behind Sweden’s coronavirus strategy, best known for the absence of a lockdown, says key questions remain about how immunity works.

Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist, says it’s still not clear to what extent transmission rates are reduced when more people have been exposed to the virus.

“It’s obvious that it does slow down transmission,

but it’s been difficult to understand how large that effect is and how it should be weighed against other factors that speed up transmission,” Tegnell said.

That “balance may have been different than I and many others believed.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-01/sweden-s-top-epidemiologist-says-herd-immunity-remains-a-mystery

[RandomGuy]

foldren folds

Why do you lie about every single thing?

My guess is that he is slightly insane, a lot like cosmored. It takes being slightly crazy to hew to these kinds of delusions so desperately.

I would bet he sees communism everywhere and thinks that someone is watching him.

[RandomGuy]

The old man HS basketball star of '74 is now lying about going to raves in Brazil and being asked out by ST members.

This is quite a unique meltdown.

Dementia? 100% Serious.

Once you start remembering things that didn't happen, or badly remembering things that did...

He might not be lying about everything, it might just be that he genuinely thinks these things, but his dementia is kicking in.

Seems consistent with his behavior. One other symptom of aging/dementia is a lack of ability to sleep regularly, leading to a self-feeding cycle of brain damage.

[TimDunkem]

My guess is that he is slightly insane, a lot like cosmored. It takes being slightly crazy to hew to these kinds of delusions so desperately.

I would bet he sees communism everywhere and thinks that someone is watching him.
He's at Avante and derp levels of psychosis. This is the same guy posting at all hours, 100+ times a day, on an anti-science crusade, lying about flying, maskless raving, and being a basketball star...as a senior. It's so fucking weird. :lol

Yeah. Dementia wouldn't surprise me either. Not at fold's age. Remember he was a "HS basketball star" before the 3pt line. Fold is old as shit.

[tholdren]

Sweden won again. No masks!!

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Sweden won again. No masks!!

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Sweden won again. No masks!!

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[MultiTroll]

Sweden’s Covid Workers Are Quitting in Dangerous Numbers (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-s-covid-workers-are-quitting-in-dangerous-numbers/ar-BB1bRRNe?ocid=msedgdhp)

[Winehole23]

Sweden’s Covid Workers Are Quitting in Dangerous Numbers (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-s-covid-workers-are-quitting-in-dangerous-numbers/ar-BB1bRRNe?ocid=msedgdhp)Staffing, not rooms or beds, is where the rubber meets the road.

[tholdren]

Staffing, not rooms or beds, is where the rubber meets the road.

Is that what it is?

[ChumpDumper]

Is that what it is?Sweden lost. They admitted it.

Why can't you?

[tholdren]

Who knows. Not you. You just tried to explain that the spanish flu came from kansas

[tholdren]

Sweden lost. They admitted it.

Why can't you?

These figures (which can be independently verified through Eurostat, the EU’s official statistics body, and Statistics Sweden, the Swedish government agency that records national statistics) indicate that the total number of people who died in Sweden in 2020 was no more than any other normal year, and possibly even slightly less

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden lost. They admitted it.

Why can't you?

[tholdren]

These figures (which can be independently verified through Eurostat, the EU’s official statistics body, and Statistics Sweden, the Swedish government agency that records national statistics) indicate that the total number of people who died in Sweden in 2020 was no more than any other normal year, and possibly even slightly less

You didn't respond to the kansas mistake or this post that continues to show norm limits in fatalities. Sorry cryboi not statistically significant.

Virus gonna virus

[Ef-man]

You didn't respond to the kansas mistake or this post that continues to show norm limits in fatalities. Sorry cryboi not statistically significant.

Virus gonna virus

Foldren gonna fold, it is what it is.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't respond to the kansas mistakeThe author revised his own theory.


or this post that continues to show norm limits in fatalities. Sorry cryboi not statistically significant.

Virus gonna virus1339555952798797824

[tholdren]

The author revised his own theory.

1339555952798797824

That has nothing to do with your gossip.

Nor did your response include death totals per year.


I win

[ChumpDumper]

That has nothing to do with your gossip.

Nor did your response include death totals per year.


I winIt was lower than normal before COVID hit.

Pretty simple but too complex for you.

I win.

[tholdren]

It was lower than normal before COVID hit.

Pretty simple but too complex for you.

I win.
Normal limits of fatality this year.... no lockdowns no maskget over it.

Just like i said.

It's killing the people who are already seriously sick. Not like the Kansas flu.

Own it. You have low iq and are terrified.

[tholdren]

Normal limits of fatality this year.... no lockdowns no maskget over it.

Just like i said.

It's killing the people who are already seriously sick. Not like the Kansas flu.

Own it. You have low iq and are terrified.

Chumpdump argument about stats is hilarious. Stick to the gossip cryboi. You're semi safe there

[ChumpDumper]

Normal limits of fatality this year.... no lockdowns no maskget over it.

Just like i said.

It's killing the people who are already seriously sick. Not like the Kansas flu.

Own it. You have low iq and are terrified.They admitted they failed.

Norway, Denmark and Finland won.

Sweden lost.

You are vaccinated. Several times over.

[tholdren]

Normal limits of fatality this year.... no lockdowns no maskget over it.

Just like i said.

It's killing the people who are already seriously sick. Not like the Kansas flu.

Own it. You have low iq and are terrified.
Bwahahahahahahahhahaha

[ChumpDumper]

They admitted they failed.

Norway, Denmark and Finland won.

Sweden lost.

You are vaccinated. Several times over.lol

[tholdren]

You didn't respond to the kansas mistake or this post that continues to show norm limits in fatalities. Sorry cryboi not statistically significant.

Virus gonna virus

Death in norms bro

[ChumpDumper]

Death in norms broFailed, vaxboi.

[tholdren]

Death in norms bro

Chumpdump trying to lie about math


Death in normal limits for sweden this year?

Yes no or fold


You lost

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump trying to lie about math


Death in normal limits for sweden this year?

Yes no or fold


You lostAlready explained.

Why do you always lie?

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump trying to lie about math


Death in normal limits for sweden this year?

Yes no or fold


You lost

Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahah


Chumpdump folds again


Hate to see it. The most regular part of his day....


One more time. Are annual fatalities in Sweden within normal.limits?

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahah


Chumpdump folds again


Hate to see it. The most regular part of his day....


One more time. Are annual fatalities in Sweden within normal.limits?Post a graph of deaths per week this year. It will clear things right up for you.

Or fold.

You fold.

I win.

[ChumpDumper]

And as even foldren knows, the data for the last two weeks is incomplete.

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1115707/sweden-number-of-deaths-per-week.jpg

[tholdren]

Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahah


Chumpdump folds again


Hate to see it. The most regular part of his day....


One more time. Are annual fatalities in Sweden within normal.limits?

He won't answer. BeahahhahahahahahhahahHahahhzhzhahhahahhhahahahaha hahah


After months of saying how swedens annual fatalities would be the highest ever


This is classic ChumpDumper


FOLD

[Ef-man]

Failed, vaxboi.

:lol

[tholdren]

He won't answer. BeahahhahahahahahhahahHahahhzhzhahhahahhhahahahaha hahah


After months of saying how swedens annual fatalities would be the highest ever


This is classic ChumpDumper


FOLD

Chumpdump is either too dumb to understand statistical norms and limits


Or he's scared...

Are swedens annual deaths within normal limits?

[ChumpDumper]

And as even foldren knows, the data for the last two weeks is incomplete.

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1115707/sweden-number-of-deaths-per-week.jpg

[tholdren]

Chumpdump is either too dumb to understand statistical norms and limits


Or he's scared...

Are swedens annual deaths within normal limits?

Chumpdump you there? You folding and hiding. You hate to see it every day

[ChumpDumper]

And as even foldren knows, the data for the last two weeks is incomplete.

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1115707/sweden-number-of-deaths-per-week.jpg

[TimDunkem]

Sweden lost bigly

[TimDunkem]

:lol Fold sees me post in the Spurs forum and immediately follows me.

:lol Obsessed.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump is either too dumb to understand statistical norms and limits


Or he's scared...

Are swedens annual deaths within normal limits?

Just gets worse for ChumpDump
Age standardized mortality rates show.....

Sweden 2020 mortality in line with sweden 2018 mortality.


Bwahahahahahahahahah

Sweden wins.

[ChumpDumper]

Just gets worse for ChumpDump
Age standardized mortality rates show.....

Sweden 2020 mortality in line with sweden 2018 mortality.


Bwahahahahahahahahah

Sweden wins.Except they didn't.

they told you they lost.

lol

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[midnightpulp]

:lol foldren

1339962494316552192

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahaha F:lollden and Sweden lost bigly

[tholdren]

Just gets worse for ChumpDump
Age standardized mortality rates show.....

Sweden 2020 mortality in line with sweden 2018 mortality.


Bwahahahahahahahahah

Sweden wins.

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahaha F:lollden and Sweden lost bigly

[tholdren]

:lol foldren

1339962494316552192

Dumbest poster on here hilarious.


Annual deaths looooooloolooooooI
Norms bro

[ChumpDumper]

foldren folds

[DarrinS]

Los Angeles is the US epicenter for covid.

[TimDunkem]

Sweden still lost.

[ChumpDumper]

Los Angeles is the US epicenter for covid.

You said Sweden got herd immunity in April.

[Winehole23]

You said Sweden got herd immunity in April.Same denial and magical thinking as Drumpf and the Republicans.

[tholdren]

Just gets worse for ChumpDump
Age standardized mortality rates show.....

Sweden 2020 mortality in line with sweden 2018 mortality.


Bwahahahahahahahahah

Sweden wins.

These clowns still can't make up data fast enough.

Normal limits.


The end

Sweden wins
I win

[ChumpDumper]

These clowns still can't make up data fast enough.

Normal limits.


The end

Sweden wins
I win

Other Nordic states are even lower.

Sweden lost.

[tholdren]

These clowns still can't make up data fast enough.

Normal limits.


The end

Sweden wins
I win

Lolooooooolookll

[ChumpDumper]

LolooooooolookllPost all the stats for all the Nordic countries.

You don't.

I win.

[tholdren]

Post all the stats for all the Nordic countries.

You don't.

I win.

Loloooooll

"ALL THE STATS"

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH A


he's almost as dumb as RandomGuy

[ChumpDumper]

Loloooooll

"ALL THE STATS"

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH A


he's almost as dumb as RandomGuyOops, you folded.

I win.

[tholdren]

Post all the stats for all the Nordic countries.

You don't.

I win.

He literally typed this thinking that was smart. Lol same gig for years.

Hilarious

[ChumpDumper]

He literally typed this thinking that was smart. Lol same gig for years.

HilariousWhere are the stats?

Post them or fold again.


I win.

[tholdren]

He literally typed this thinking that was smart. Lol same gig for years.

Hilarious

Chumpdump now hiding

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump now hidingRight here winning.

[tholdren]

Still no flu in Sweden.



Hilarious

[ChumpDumper]

Still no flu in Sweden.



HilariousHow is that hilarious?

Explain.

[tholdren]

How is that hilarious?

Explain.

Flu just disappeared..... lol

[ChumpDumper]

Flu just disappeared..... lolHow is that hilarious?

Explain.

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[SnakeBoy]

Sweden good again?

1346959300648980480

[tholdren]

Flu just disappeared..... lol

Deaths were within normal limits all cause. Why?


Lol ChumpDumper

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[ChumpDumper]

Deaths were within normal limits all cause. Why?


Lol ChumpDumper

Deaths before COVID were below average. They've been higher ever since.

You don't understand simple numbers. You are low IQ.

[RandomGuy]

Sweden good again?

1346959300648980480
They peacefully beat a police officer to death.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137045781_4683439125082438_9113358424948945427_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1QhaNwGjdSkAX9jGb47&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=cf422eede66d64f9aa18a6d8242021c7&oe=601FEF40


More than one video has very clearly audible "kill 'em", and at least one picture had a guy with a ring of zip ties. Proud boys knew exactly why there were there and what they were there to do.

Skip to about the 2:30 mark.

SocnM1lHZB4


The core of conservatism is dishonesty, and violence.

[SnakeBoy]

They peacefully beat a police officer to death.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137045781_4683439125082438_9113358424948945427_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1QhaNwGjdSkAX9jGb47&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=cf422eede66d64f9aa18a6d8242021c7&oe=601FEF40


More than one video has very clearly audible "kill 'em", and at least one picture had a guy with a ring of zip ties. Proud boys knew exactly why there were there and what they were there to do.

Skip to about the 2:30 mark.

SocnM1lHZB4


The core of conservatism is dishonesty, and violence.

Like you, I'm honestly upset about what happened to Officer Sicknick. He was a patriotic Trump supporter and more importantly a symbol of authority. I only hope his death wasn't in vain and I am encouraged by the calls on both sides to crack down on rabble rousing citizens. It's time to finish what Dubya started and get rid of the terrorists once and for all. Only then can we have law and order and unity.

[tholdren]

Deaths before COVID were below average. They've been higher ever since.

You don't understand simple numbers. You are low IQ.

BwahahahhahahahHHhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah haH


Chumpdump iq

Lolo9ooo9oooooo

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

BwahahahhahahahHHhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah haH


Chumpdump iq

Lolo9ooo9oooooo

All cause fatalities for the year within normal.limits. the end

[ChumpDumper]

BwahahahhahahahHHhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah haH


Chumpdump iq

Lolo9ooo9oooooo:lol you didn't dispute it.

Deaths in Sweden are up since the pandemic began.

Simple numbers.

[tholdren]

All cause fatalities for the year within normal.limits. the end

Lolooooooollooooooo all cause fatalities within normal limits. Wonder why?


Lolooooooo

[ChumpDumper]

Lolooooooollooooooo all cause fatalities within normal limits. Wonder why?


Lolooooooo

Asked and answered.

Why did they increase their COVID restrictions?

[JamStone]

Sweden passes law to allow restrictions, lockdowns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-passed-law-allowing-coronavirus-120648317.html

[ElNono]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fQorEj8vN8eqkNcy6T/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[TimDunkem]

SWEDEN LOST

[tholdren]

Sweden passes law to allow restrictions, lockdowns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-passed-law-allowing-coronavirus-120648317.html

Today, the government has not decided on the closure of businesses, but the government is ready to make that kind of decision as well," he told a news conference

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[DarrinS]

Deaths per day down pretty dramatically, tbh

[Winehole23]

Deaths per day down pretty dramatically, tbh^^^ ray of sunshine nominee, hall of nowhere

[DarrinS]

^^^ ray of sunshine nominee, hall of nowhere

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[tholdren]

^^^ ray of sunshine nominee, hall of nowhere

All cause mortality normal

Win

[RandomGuy]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


“It’s quite obvious that the healthcare system is as strained now (as during the spring),” Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the architect of an unorthodox pandemic strategy that has eschewed lockdowns, told a news conference.

“We are near the limit for what the healthcare system can handle.”

The country of 10 million inhabitants registered 234 new deaths since Friday, taking the total to 9,667. The deaths registered have occurred over several days and weeks with many from the Christmas period being registered with a significant delay.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-cases/swedish-covid-19-cases-cross-500000-mark-as-hospitals-near-limit-idUSKBN29H1MQ

You would be better served looking for context, and widening your field of information.

But, I guess if 40,000 deaths is something you dont' care about, then the truth probably isn't high on your list of priorities either.

You amoral fuckstick.

-----------------------------------------------------------


The problem for your dumb ass is that your fucktarded conspiracy theory says that Texas' Corona count is overstated.

Texas count still can't account for ANOHTER 10k deaths [for all of 2020]

Meaning you have to find some plausible, working explanation for an 18% spike in deaths.

Expected: 212837
Observed: 251451

Difference:
38614

38614/212837 = 18.1%

Explain that spike.


I don't care

[tholdren]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-cases/swedish-covid-19-cases-cross-500000-mark-as-hospitals-near-limit-idUSKBN29H1MQ

You would be better served looking for context, and widening your field of information.

But, I guess if 40,000 deaths is something you dont' care about, then the truth probably isn't high on your list of priorities either.

You amoral fuckstick.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Loloololooooollooolllolllolllookokokkoo


He's back on the hospitals capacity kick. Bwahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha

Its just that simple

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Loloololooooollooolllolllolllookokokkoo


He's back on the hospitals capacity kick. Bwahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha

Its just that simple

Thread

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

Thread

[tholdren]

Loloololooooollooolllolllolllookokokkoo


He's back on the hospitals capacity kick. Bwahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha

Its just that simple

Sad for wrongwrong

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Loloololooooollooolllolllolllookokokkoo


He's back on the hospitals capacity kick. Bwahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha

Its just that simple

Still no masks

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Still no masks

Final all cause mortality within normal limits. On par with 2012 when adjusted for population.

Win

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[TimDunkem]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Final all cause mortality within normal limits. On par with 2012 when adjusted for population.

Win

The correct strategy, even lauded by the WHO.

SPEAKING OF THE WHO HOW ABOIT THOSE PCR TESTS!!

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

The correct strategy, even lauded by the WHO.

SPEAKING OF THE WHO HOW ABOIT THOSE PCR TESTS!!

[TimDunkem]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

The correct strategy, even lauded by the WHO.

SPEAKING OF THE WHO HOW ABOIT THOSE PCR TESTS!!

Mortality normal

[TimDunkem]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Mortality normal

Thread

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/ZMDTMgZ.jpg
An a book

[ChumpDumper]

:lol moar Trump supporter whataboutery

[DMC]

Ignore the man behind the curtain

[ChumpDumper]

Cuomo is behind Sweden's curtain?

[RandomGuy]

Sweden's COVID infections among highest in Europe, with 'no sign of decrease'

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-reports-19105-new-covid-19-cases-39-deaths-since-friday-2021-04-13/

[Spurtacular]

Sweden's COVID infections among highest in Europe, with 'no sign of decrease'

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-reports-19105-new-covid-19-cases-39-deaths-since-friday-2021-04-13/

Fake cases up.

Fake deaths still quite low.


Deaths remained at a relatively low 1.7 daily fatalities per million people, below the European average of 4.3 deaths.

[RandomGuy]

[vacuous post no one cares about]

:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Spurtacular]

:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Only a third of the Euro average. Lockdowns and face diapers killing people even covid wise. That (badly) hurts your vagina.

[ChumpDumper]

Only a third of the Euro average. Lockdowns and face diapers killing people even covid wise. That (badly) hurts your vagina.So COVID deaths are actually real, derp?

Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

Only a third of the Euro average. Lockdowns and face diapers killing people even covid wise. That (badly) hurts your vagina.

Dude, you aren't even making grammatical sense at this point. Your blathering is taking on a special kind of incoherence.

Am I supposed to care about this post? I don't.

If you can't be bothered to actually state coherent ideas, I'm not bothering with trying to understand your blathering.

[RandomGuy]

So COVID deaths are actually real, derp?

Yes or no.

That's what I mean. This shit is just getting weird. Derp has gone off the deep end.

[Spurtacular]

RandomCuck and Derp mad cos they got theirvshit kicked in. Par.

[ChumpDumper]

RandomCuck and Derp mad cos they got theirvshit kicked in. Par.

Are COVID deaths real, derp?

Yes or no.

[Isitjustme?]

Holy shit I'm getting sick of the "Sweden argument" from the anti-lockdown crowd on the shithole known as twitter. Conservative media is also on the Sweden bandwagon. Let's take it apart.

"Sweden proves lockdowns don't really work, and they haven't torpedoed their economy based on faulty models and wrong assumptions about the virus's mortality rate."

Sweden is not "business as usual."

They can't have events with more than 50 people. School closures for over 16. And even though their stay-at-home orders aren't as stringent as everyone else's, the Swedish have voluntary stayed-at-home. Here's their movement data.

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-11_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

Key figure here is the -41% in retail and recreation. That is only 7 percentage points lower than California's https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-11_US_California_Mobility_Report_en.pdf.

What this means is that Sweden's lax measures aren't doing much to prop up the hardest hit economic sectors (your bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters) because people aren't too keen on going to those right now. So "the Swedish Model" isn't going to help with that if we stupidly try to apply it here.

"We should apply the Swedish model to save the economy, as they've proven you can have an open economy and mitigate spread."

Sweden hasn't "mitigated" the spread at all. Let's return to that above movement data from them and California. California is socially distancing a bit more, but given the exponential nature of epidemic growth, that 41% vs. 48% figure in retail/recreation movement and 24% vs, 40% in workplace movement has proven huge. California has 4 times the population of Sweden, 5 times the population density, more multi-person homes (Sweden has one of the highest rates of single person homes in Europe), more international travel, and CA's death rate is 37 per million vs. Sweden's 192 million.

"Other Euro countries have locked down and are doing worse than Sweden."

Countries like the Netherlands and Belgium have not locked down, with the former going for the herd immunity strategy. Not working out too well for them. And many of those other hard hit regions in Europe are suffering because they were late to lockdown. And the UK went for the herd immunity strategy early on and is on pace to become the hardest hit country in Europe.

That said, I won't argue if the Swedish strategy works for Sweden. But the supporters of that strategy are making the apples to oranges comparison fallacy. Sweden's population density is 57 people per sq mile. That's lower than Utah's, a sparse state. 50 percent of their working population already worked from home before this. They have more single person households. I would assume the average Swede is in better physical shape than the average American. They have no cities with over 1 million people. They have some things in their favor that they can try this strategy that many US regions don't. It might work on a very region specific basis, but not countrywide. And it has no hope in hell of working in densely populated areas.

Ain't hearing too much about Sweden lately..wonder why

[Isitjustme?]

Oh, right..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0_XbyQXoAQFPOR?format=jpg&name=large

[Isitjustme?]

Time will tell if Sweden made a good or bad choice. Took balls to go their route tho.

Pretty brave to risk so many lives. Heroic really

[Isitjustme?]

https://mobile.twitter.com/hagenbaden/status/1279023691083497472

Looks like Sweden is finally in the clear.

Oh, thank God.

[Isitjustme?]

Wrong. The closer you get to the avg life span the higher the risk of death. That is science

The argument is no one healthy had a death rate remotely close to flu extremely rare and extremely low rate for working class. There was no lockdown there were no masks. There was no over testing. Strange that non politicized covid is less destructive than politicized covid.

Strange indeed!

[ElNono]

Oh, right..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0_XbyQXoAQFPOR?format=jpg&name=large

aint that a shame

[Isitjustme?]

aint that a shame

Almost as shameful as the Republicans who refuse to post itt tbh

Darrin Chris
tholdren

[RandomGuy]

Two things you can bet on.

Republicans are allergic to admitting their party fucked up.

The ones that vote that way avoid threads where fuck ups are rubbed in their noses. It is how they collectively deal with cognitive dissonance.

[Winehole23]

A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/half-sweden-decided-not-lock-115500722.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr)

Sweden has recorded more COVID-19 cases per capita than most countries so far: Since the start of the pandemic, roughly 11 out of every 100 people in Sweden have been diagnosed with COVID-19, compared with 9.4 out of every 100 in the UK and 7.4 per 100 in Italy. Sweden has also recorded around 145 COVID-19 deaths for every 100,000 people - around three times more than Denmark, eight times more than Finland, and nearly 10 times more than Norway.


Had Sweden implemented tighter rules, experts told Insider, the country might have seen a COVID-19 death toll more similar to those Nordic neighbors.


"They underestimated the mortality tremendously," Claudia Hanson, an associate professor at Sweden's Karolinska Institute, told Insider.


"Sweden became a dream for many people to think one can do it differently," Hanson added. But in retrospect, she said, "it was maybe not a good idea."

[DarrinS]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


7 day moving average deaths = 1

[Winehole23]

^^^ soda straw view

[Winehole23]

It's so like Karrin to generalize from a snapshot

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


7 day moving average deaths = 1So is Norway's.

The difference is that average has been as high as 98 for Sweden.

Norway got up to 8.

Which is better in your opinion: 8 or 98?

[RandomGuy]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


7 day moving average deaths = 1

Denmark COVID deaths per million: 442
Finland: 184
Norway:152

Sweden: 1434

Incidence of coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in the European Economic Area and the United Kingdom as of August 22, 2021, by country

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/


Translation:

"HURR DEE DURR, not many people fell in the spikey pit after they removed the guardrails today, ignore the pile of bodies already down there".

[ChumpDumper]

Denmark COVID deaths per million: 442
Finland: 184
Norway:152

Sweden: 1434

Incidence of coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in the European Economic Area and the United Kingdom as of August 22, 2021, by country

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/


Translation:

"HURR DEE DURR, not many people fell in the spikey pit after they removed the guardrails today, ignore the pile of bodies already down there".

Darrin's part of the death cult. People like him always have been but COVID really brought it to the surface.

[Winehole23]

under 50% in the case of the USA

1432323540955529225

[RandomGuy]

Darrin's part of the death cult. People like him always have been but COVID really brought it to the surface.



Quote Originally Posted by DarrinS
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.

[Winehole23]

^^^when's that quote from, spring/ early summer of last year?

[RandomGuy]

^^^when's that quote from, spring/ early summer of last year?

Yup. In my siggy.

When Darrin was being told it was just a cold, and sucked that up without any critical thinking whatsoever.

(edit)
3-9-20
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283058&page=59&p=10087788#post10087788

[DarrinS]

As long as we're pulling up ancient quotes

1217043229427761152

[Trainwreck2100]

As long as we're pulling up ancient quotes

1217043229427761152

yeah that's called science, they didnt say that human to human didnt exist they did an investigation and couldnt find it

[ChumpDumper]

As long as we're pulling up ancient quotes

1217043229427761152


yeah that's called science, they didnt say that human to human didnt exist they did an investigation and couldnt find it

Absolutely true at the time. Then they found evidence.

OTOH Darrin still stealth promotes his hydroxychloroquine among his other CVS cures.

[DarrinS]

Absolutely true at the time. Then they found evidence.



Factually accurate at the time posted.

Great point.

[ChumpDumper]

Factually accurate at the time posted.

Great point.Then your dumbass point was destroyed thousands of time over.

Just for some perspective.

Great point.

[SnakeBoy]

Factually accurate at the time posted.

Great point.

[ChumpDumper]

Difference is the WHO changed their stance easily once they got the evidence.

Darrin still hasn't on most of this shit he's wrong about.

Just for some perspective.

Great point.

[DarrinS]

Covid-19 is much worse than the flu. 8/30/2021

RG can add this retheit to his thiggy

[ElNono]

So is Norway's.

The difference is that average has been as high as 98 for Sweden.

Norway got up to 8.

Which is better in your opinion: 8 or 98?

But it's snowing today. Ergo, global warming is bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

Covid-19 is much worse than the flu. 8/30/2021

RG can add this retheit to his thiggyWhy did you change the spellings of those words?

[RandomGuy]

As long as we're pulling up ancient quotes

[scientists initial attempts at collecting data was incomplete and unsuccessful]

(exasperated)

Why do you let your politics shave 20 points off your IQ?

What do you think this means?

[RandomGuy]

Covid-19 is much worse than the flu. 8/30/2021

RG can add this retheit to his thiggy

Give me the link, be happy to.

[RandomGuy]

Covid-19 is much worse than the flu. 8/30/2021

RG can add this retheit to his thiggy

Give me the link, be happy to.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin says ten times more deaths is better than ten times fewer deaths.

[RandomGuy]

Factually accurate at the time posted.

Great point.

Factually accurate.

But misleading and dishonest, because it suggested that COVID wasn't as dangerous as the flu.

It is possible to tell the truth, and still be a dishonest shit, if you leave important things out that someone needs to make decisions.

That is how your fucking stupid climate change denial bullshit works too. All boils down to cherry picking what the deniers want and ignoring the mountain of things that support what they don't.

[DarrinS]

I didn't know much about covid on 3/9/2020.

WHO didn't even declare global pandemic until 3/11.

[DarrinS]

Give me the link, be happy to.

Here you go

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285243&p=10593374&viewfull=1#post10593374

[RandomGuy]

Here you go

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285243&p=10593374&viewfull=1#post10593374

You want me to edit it, or just leave the typo?

[DarrinS]

You want me to edit it, or just leave the typo?

Don't care

[Winehole23]

Norway will reintroduce nationwide measures to stem surging coronavirus cases, including authorising towns to use health passes, the government announced on Friday.https://www.barrons.com/news/norway-to-reinstate-nationwide-measures-as-virus-cases-surge-pm-01636716609

[boutons_deux]

"Sweden has also recorded around 145 COVID-19 deaths for every 100,000 people - "

1450/M

UsA 2050

TX 2500

FL 2800

[Winehole23]

turns out the herd immunity strategy was herd death

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOxglI_WQAc3_Jz?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

Sweden is a prosperous and highly developed country, which has invested strongly in healthcare and research over recent decades. Despite the available competence and infrastructure both in academic and industrial settings, these (human) resources were scarcely used during the COVID-19 pandemic. We argue that there was failure of science advice from the start with “COVID-denial” and disregard of scientific evidence (2021e (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5#ref-CR42), Miller, 2020 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5#ref-CR101)). The Government took a passive, hands-off stand, delegating responsibility to the Public Health Agency. The Public Health Agency did not base its advice on scientific evidence but on pre-conceptions on influenza pandemics and herd-immunity—relying primarily on a small advisory group with a narrow disciplinary focus and too limited expertise. A multi-disciplinary, democratic scientific discussion or debate has not taken place, leading to the rise of “shadow science advisory bodies.” None of the official actors took notion of what could have been done better, and no one took responsibility for the results. This institutional rigidity is illustrated by the self-protective reaction to external critique. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5

[Winehole23]

“Many elderly people were administered morphine instead of oxygen despite available supplies, effectively ending their lives.”

[Winehole23]

Sweden is getting creamed by RSV one year after a record year. No immunity debt there.

Is Sweden still doing fine?

[Ef-man]

Sweden is getting creamed by RSV one year after a record year. No immunity debt there.

Is Sweden still doing fine?

Wait a few, happy hour is almost over and karrin will weigh in.

[DarrinS]

Sweden had the right approach.

[pgardn]

Sweden had the right approach.

Darrin Death Panel.

[Momo]

Wait a few, happy hour is almost over and karrin will weigh in.
10pm


Sweden had the right approach.
12pm

:lol EF called it

[monosylab1k]

Sweden had the right approach.

Not in your zip code so it’s just numbers :tu

[DarrinS]

Sweden had the right approach.

[pgardn]

^ slight stutter from Darrin Death Panel

[Winehole23]

So long as he's safe from any awareness of ongoing mass sickness, disability and death from preventable disease, it's all good.

[DarrinS]

^ slight stutter from Darrin Death Panel

No stutter. We fucked up.

[Winehole23]

The chiefest wisdom would have been to do nothing at all, apparently.

[pgardn]

No stutter. We fucked up.

Yeah we did when the president laughed at masking and vaccines.
And we fd up in other ways because we did not understand the capabilities of the virus completely.
No one on this board or scientists even knew the major way it was spread to begin with. So schools were forced to make decisions in hindsight which look obvious now. But you will never get a truthful time frame of events from a red team member like Darrin. They will conveniently forget the actual history of what we knew and when we knew it. This method is easy and lazy and basically a lie.

[DarrinS]

The chiefest wisdom would have been to do nothing at all, apparently.

Focus protection on elderly and other vulnerable people. Schools should never have closed.

[Winehole23]

Yeah we did when the president laughed at masking and vaccines.
And we fd up in other ways because we did not understand the capabilities of the virus completely.
No one on this board or scientists even knew the major way it was spread to begin with. So schools were forced to make decisions in hindsight which look obvious now. But you will never get a truthful time frame of events from a red team member like Darrin. They will conveniently forget the actual history of what we knew and when we knew it. This method is easy and lazy and basically a lie.nonsense, whatever Darrin thinks in retrospect is obviously the thing we should have done. it always is.

[Winehole23]

Focus protection on elderly and other vulnerable people. Schools should never have closed.It was hard to know that at the time, but that may be correct: masking and filtration probably would have been good enough. COVID spreads to communities from schools, so mitigation still makes sense, if the aim is to focus protection on older people.

[pgardn]

Focus protection on elderly and other vulnerable people. Schools should never have closed.

A science teacher caught Covid at OConnor, your sons high school.
He left behind a wife undergoing chemotherapy (husband went to work and masked) and a child. This was before the vaccine.
Maybe you can do a solid and help them out.

[monosylab1k]

Focus protection on elderly and other vulnerable people. Schools should never have closed.

Another fail by Trump :tu

[Winehole23]

Another fail by Trump :tuDarrin was too busy at the time declaring the pandemic over or "mild" to actually insist on protecting the elderly. he just likes that as a talking point, not as an actual position.

[Winehole23]

can't blame this on lockdowns

1837477355662475464 (https://x.com/tmprowell/status/1837477355662475464)

https://x.com/tmprowell/status/1837477355662475464

[Winehole23]

scoreboard


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYAI5JLWkAAbwAe?format=jpg&name=small

[Ef-man]

If only they had Ivermectin in Sweden...