"Muh Sweden."

[ElNono]

They said that about South Korea too.

Darrin is under the mistaken impression that the virus magically stops spreading after it infected a certain amount of susceptible people.

There's a lot of problems with this theory, but foremost, it's a theory. There's nothing to back it up at this point in time.

[ElNono]

Cases went up in Sweden for a while, but deaths flatlined.

That's not what the graphics on the link you provided shows. Mid-July both infections and deaths leveled.

[DarrinS]

Darrin is under the mistaken impression that the virus magically stops spreading after it infected a certain amount of susceptible people.

There's a lot of problems with this theory, but foremost, it's a theory. There's nothing to back it up at this point in time.


Except the papers showing a substantial percentage of the population with pre-existing immunity via previous exposures to other coronaviruses.

[DMC]

Darrin is under the mistaken impression that the virus magically stops spreading after it infected a certain amount of susceptible people.

There's a lot of problems with this theory, but foremost, it's a theory. There's nothing to back it up at this point in time.

It's not even a theory. It's pure speculation.

[DMC]

Except the papers showing a substantial percentage of the population with pre-existing immunity via previous exposures to other coronaviruses.

Doesn't equal 100% nor 0%

[ElNono]

Except the papers showing a substantial percentage of the population with pre-existing immunity via previous exposures to other coronaviruses.

You mean the pre-print papers with no peer review yet?

I've yet to see a number of studies that prove this theory. If you have them, share them.

I'm not knocking the idea, but right now it's gospel, AFAIK.

[DarrinS]

That's not what the graphics on the link you provided shows. Mid-July both infections and deaths leveled.

Seven day moving average of deaths is one.

[DMC]

Cases went up in Sweden for a while, but deaths flatlined.

Flatlined, like my heart stopped? or flat lined, like my heart beats 66bpm for one hour, so it's flat lined on the variation chart?

[DarrinS]

Doesn't equal 100% nor 0%

Uh, ok

[tholdren]

Summary
What is already known about this topic?
COVID-19 mortality is higher in persons with underlying
medical conditions and in those aged ≥85 years.
What is added by this report?
Analysis of supplementary data for 10,647 decedents in 16
public health jurisdictions found that a majority were aged
≥65 years and most had underlying medical conditions. Overall,
34.9% of Hispanic and 29.5% of nonwhite decedents were aged
<65 years, compared with 13.2% of white, non-Hispanic
decedents. Among decedents aged <65 years, a total of 7.8%
died in an emergency department or at home.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Understanding factors contributing to racial/ethnic mortality
differences and out-of-hospital deaths might inform targeted
communication to encourage persons in at-risk groups to
practice preventive measures and promptly seek medical care if
they become ill.

[ElNono]

It's not even a theory. It's pure speculation.

Well, Darrin says there's papers that allegedly demonstrates this to be true. So I would put it a step above speculation, but without actual verification is difficult to ascertain.

[DarrinS]

Flatlined, like my heart stopped? or flat lined, like my heart beats 66bpm for one hour, so it's flat lined on the variation chart?

Like going to almost zero.

[ElNono]

Summary
What is already known about this topic?
COVID-19 mortality is higher in persons with underlying
medical conditions and in those aged ≥85 years.
What is added by this report?
Analysis of supplementary data for 10,647 decedents in 16
public health jurisdictions found that a majority were aged
≥65 years and most had underlying medical conditions. Overall,
34.9% of Hispanic and 29.5% of nonwhite decedents were aged
<65 years, compared with 13.2% of white, non-Hispanic
decedents. Among decedents aged <65 years, a total of 7.8%
died in an emergency department or at home.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Understanding factors contributing to racial/ethnic mortality
differences and out-of-hospital deaths might inform targeted
communication to encourage persons in at-risk groups to
practice preventive measures and promptly seek medical care if
they become ill.

stop posting gossip, nobody cares nor reads what you post anymore.

[DMC]

Uh, ok

If people are still dying, they didn't stop it. You know the story of the cop and the motorist who slowed down at a stop sign..

[DMC]

Like going to almost zero.

Blake determined even one death is unacceptable so you might as well have 300K deaths if you're going to have one.

[ElNono]

Seven day moving average of deaths is one.

And seven day average of new cases is 146... I mean, we can all read the data, it doesn't invalidate what I said:

That's not what the graphics on the link you provided shows. Mid-July both infections and deaths leveled.

You said cases spiked up but deaths leveled. Not really.

[DarrinS]

If people are still dying, they didn't stop it. You know the story of the cop and the motorist who slowed down at a stop sign..


It's still around in Sweden (like everywhere else), but what effect is it having?


The graphs speak for themselves.

[tholdren]

cuomo killed more elderly than all deaths in sweden

[DarrinS]

That's not what the graphics on the link you provided shows. Mid-July both infections and deaths leveled.


Exhausting. Interpret them however you like.

It's currently late August, btw.

[ElNono]

Exhausting. Interpret them however you like.

It's currently late August, btw.

I know what day it is. I'm pointing out it out because this convo comes from the post I linked.

[ElNono]

cuomo killed more elderly than all deaths in sweden

ding and gossip

[ChumpDumper]

and :lmao at the bunker bitch meltdown... shoulda stayed in the bunkerth:lolldren pwnt

[tholdren]

cuomo personally killed at least 7k ederly

[ChumpDumper]

cuomo personally killed at least 7k ederlyth:lolldren pwnt

[tholdren]

cuomo personally killed at least 7k ederly
And sweden only 5800


Lolololol

[ElNono]

^ 1:lolk deaths

Lolololol

[ChumpDumper]

And sweden only 5800


LololololWhat's the population of Sweden?

[ChumpDumper]

^ 1:lolk deaths

Lololololth:lolldren pwnt!

[tholdren]

cuomo personally killed almost 7k.

Sweden 5800... all of Sweden

[ElNono]

^ 1:lolk deaths

Lolololol

[ChumpDumper]

cuomo personally killed almost 7k.

Sweden 5800... all of SwedenBut you said COVID is fake.

Pick a lane.

pwnt

[DMC]

But you said COVID is fake.

Pick a lane.

pwnt

Hurry, you forgot to like El's post. Chop chop, tweener likes are awaiting

[Winehole23]

Hurry, you forgot to like El's post. Chop chop, tweener likes are awaitingThere's no glory in thumping old scarecrows like foldren and dedicated ankle-biters like you.

[tholdren]

There's no glory in thumping old scarecrows like foldren and dedicated ankle-biters like you.

sweden now reportin thousands of false positive....


Not good for dangers of covid

[tholdren]

Notice ChumpDumper and el nono try to let this thread die. Sweden total deaths still less than nyc nursing homes

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren said there would only be 10 deaths in Israel.

[tholdren]

th:lolldren said there would only be 10 deaths in Israel.

Lol

Liez and deflection


NYC more nursing home deaths caused by cuomo than total sweden deaths.


Sad

[ChumpDumper]

Lol

Liez and deflection


NYC more nursing home deaths caused by cuomo than total sweden deaths.


SadSweden still worse than US.

pwnt.

[tholdren]

Sweden still worse than US.

pwnt.
Per cdc

(COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

Lol

[ChumpDumper]

Per cdc

(COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

Lol:lmao lies and deflection

pwnt

[tholdren]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#ComorbiditiesSweden still worse than US.

pwnt.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump is the typical karen. Many opinions 0 research

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump is the typical karen. Many opinions 0 researchlies and deflections.

Sweden still worse than US.

pwnt

[tholdren]

Sweden still worse than US.

pwnt.

Chumpdump using terms like worse with 0 math. Lololol

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump using terms like worse with 0 math. Lololollol th:lolldren doesn't even know what I'm talking about.

You are not smart.

Facts.

pwnt

[tholdren]

Sweden still less total deaths than nyc nursing homes



Cuomo fail

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden still less total deaths than nyc nursing homes



Cuomo failth:lollpost move

[tholdren]

Sweden still less total deaths than nyc nursing homes



Cuomo fail

chumpdump mad that no lockdown no mask sweden success

[ElNono]

chumpdump mad that no lockdown no mask sweden success

Gossip

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdump mad that no lockdown no mask sweden successthey failed.

you failed.

pwnt

[tholdren]

Lol el nono post count won't go any higher lol

[ElNono]

Lol el nono post count won't go any higher lol

Wrong

[tholdren]

Wrong

Sad your post vount the same after pages of posts. Terrible math strikes again.

[ElNono]

Sad your post vount the same after pages of posts. Terrible math strikes again.

Sad you predicted 10k deaths and went hiding in your bunker like a bitch. You hate to see it.

[tholdren]

Sad you predicted 10k deaths and went hiding in your bunker like a bitch. You hate to see it.

usa not even at 10k per cdc

I'm right you're not

[ElNono]

usa not even at 10k per cdc

I'm right you're not

:lol show your math or back to the bunker, bitch

[ChumpDumper]

:lol show your math or back to the bunker, bitchth:lolldren pwnt

[tholdren]

:lol show your math or back to the bunker, bitch

cdcs math



Lol



You be pwn pwn pwned

Cdc and nono

[ChumpDumper]

cdcs math



Lol



You be pwn pwn pwned

Cdc and nonolol babbling meltdown

[ElNono]

cdcs math

Lol

You be pwn pwn pwned

Cdc and nono

:lmao another dodge. CDC says well over 100k+ deaths. Now show your math or foldren.

[tholdren]

:lmao another dodge. CDC says well over 100k+ deaths. Now show your math or foldren.

cdc says almost 6% died from covid.. now you do the math

[tholdren]

Holy shit I'm getting sick of the "Sweden argument" from the anti-lockdown crowd on the shithole known as twitter. Conservative media is also on the Sweden bandwagon. Let's take it apart.

"Sweden proves lockdowns don't really work, and they haven't torpedoed their economy based on faulty models and wrong assumptions about the virus's mortality rate."

Sweden is not "business as usual."

They can't have events with more than 50 people. School closures for over 16. And even though their stay-at-home orders aren't as stringent as everyone else's, the Swedish have voluntary stayed-at-home. Here's their movement data.

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-11_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

Key figure here is the -41% in retail and recreation. That is only 7 percentage points lower than California's https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-11_US_California_Mobility_Report_en.pdf.

What this means is that Sweden's lax measures aren't doing much to prop up the hardest hit economic sectors (your bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters) because people aren't too keen on going to those right now. So "the Swedish Model" isn't going to help with that if we stupidly try to apply it here.

"We should apply the Swedish model to save the economy, as they've proven you can have an open economy and mitigate spread."

Sweden hasn't "mitigated" the spread at all. Let's return to that above movement data from them and California. California is socially distancing a bit more, but given the exponential nature of epidemic growth, that 41% vs. 48% figure in retail/recreation movement and 24% vs, 40% in workplace movement has proven huge. California has 4 times the population of Sweden, 5 times the population density, more multi-person homes (Sweden has one of the highest rates of single person homes in Europe), more international travel, and CA's death rate is 37 per million vs. Sweden's 192 million.

"Other Euro countries have locked down and are doing worse than Sweden."

Countries like the Netherlands and Belgium have not locked down, with the former going for the herd immunity strategy. Not working out too well for them. And many of those other hard hit regions in Europe are suffering because they were late to lockdown. And the UK went for the herd immunity strategy early on and is on pace to become the hardest hit country in Europe.

That said, I won't argue if the Swedish strategy works for Sweden. But the supporters of that strategy are making the apples to oranges comparison fallacy. Sweden's population density is 57 people per sq mile. That's lower than Utah's, a sparse state. 50 percent of their working population already worked from home before this. They have more single person households. I would assume the average Swede is in better physical shape than the average American. They have no cities with over 1 million people. They have some things in their favor that they can try this strategy that many US regions don't. It might work on a very region specific basis, but not countrywide. And it has no hope in hell of working in densely populated areas.
Hilarious

[ElNono]

cdc says almost 6% died from covid.. now you do the math

CDC says 167,558 deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Now show your math or foldren.

[tholdren]

CDC says 167,558 deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Now show your math or foldren.
ComorbiditiesTable 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

[ChumpDumper]

ComorbiditiesTable 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,th:lollpost move

[ElNono]

ComorbiditiesTable 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

lololololol more gossip. That doesn't mean COVID had nothing to do with the death. This is the same disingenuous shit I was pointing out earlier, like somebody claiming that HIV doesn't kill people.

Go back to your bunker, bitch, until you're ready to sh:lolw y:lolur math.

[tholdren]

Its less than 6k covid only. There are thousands of deaths attributed to covid that have not been lab confirmed.

[tholdren]

lololololol more gossip. That doesn't mean COVID had nothing to do with the death. This is the same disingenuous shit I was pointing out earlier, like somebody claiming that HIV doesn't kill people.

Go back to your bunker, bitch, until you're ready to sh:lolw y:lolur math.

lolololol

El nono be like hey covid is so dangerous you have to have 3 other comorbidities to die from covid.


Lolololololpl


El nono with the bads

[ChumpDumper]

Its less than 6k covid only. There are thousands of deaths attributed to covid that have not been lab confirmed.


lolololol

El nono be like hey covid is so dangerous you have to have 3 other comorbidities to die from covid.


Lolololololpl


El nono with the bads:lol multiple posts for the same th:lollpost move.

[ElNono]

lolololol

El nono be like hey covid is so dangerous you have to have 3 other comorbidities to die from covid.

Lolololololpl

El nono with the bads

:lmao bunker bitch meltdown after being called out. You hate to see it.

[tholdren]

More deaths due to cuomo sending infected elderly to nursing home than died in all of sweden with no lockdowns or masks.....

Yikes

[tholdren]

More deaths due to cuomo sending infected elderly to nursing home than died in all of sweden with no lockdowns or masks.....

Yikes

cuomo fail

[ElNono]

^ gossipy loser talking to himself "the best part of his day" :lmao

[tholdren]

More deaths due to cuomo sending infected elderly to nursing home than died in all of sweden with no lockdowns or masks.....

Yikes

Ifr lower than flu

[tholdren]

lolololol


Not dangerous

[ElNono]

^ gossipy loser talking to himself "the best part of his day" :lmao

[TimDunkem]

:lmao Old man pwning hours

[tholdren]

Less died in sweden total without masks without lockdown than in ny ltc where they were locked down and masked and killed by cuomo

[tholdren]

Less died in sweden total without masks without lockdown than in ny ltc where they were locked down and masked and killed by cuomo

bump for cuomo killings

[hombre]

Herd immunity is surrender.

[tholdren]

Herd immunity is surrender.

Lol you cannot stop the flu

[ElNono]

Lol you cannot stop the flu

lol more gossip

[tholdren]

El nono saying you can stop the flu. Lololol

[ElNono]

El nono saying you can stop the flu. Lololol

^ gossip and meltdown, lol

[tholdren]

^ gossip and meltdown, lol

doing his ChumpDumper thing lol

1/10

[ElNono]

doing his ChumpDumper thing lol

1/10

That's how many months you went in hiding to the bunker :lmao

[tholdren]

That's how many months you went in hiding to the bunker :lmao

Lol el wrongwrong wanted everyone to be on internet forum to explain how not dangerous covid is.....

Why haven't you discussed seasonal allergies for months el wrong wrong?

[ElNono]

Lol el wrongwrong wanted everyone to be on internet forum to explain how not dangerous covid is.....

Why haven't you discussed seasonal allergies for months el wrong wrong?

more gossip trying to deflect from hiding in the bunker per par... sad!

[tholdren]

Lol el wrongwrong wanted everyone to be on internet forum to explain how not dangerous covid is.....

Why haven't you discussed seasonal allergies for months el wrong wrong?

el wrong wrong responds with more ChumpDumper deflection

[ElNono]

el wrong wrong responds with more ChumpDumper deflection


more gossip trying to deflect from hiding in the bunker per par... sad!

[TimDunkem]

:lol Bwahahahaha F:lolldren pwnt

[DMC]

:lol Bwahahahaha F:lolldren pwnt

You should never get into these things after crawlin here, belly draggin', begging for salvation from the ELE of the COVID.

[TimDunkem]

Foldren pwnt. Period.

[ChumpDumper]

That's how many months you went in hiding to the bunker :lmao:rollin

[DarrinS]

What's the 7-day average of deaths there?

[ChumpDumper]

They had discipline, Karrin. Unlike you.

[tholdren]

They had discipline, Karrin. Unlike you.

No one healthy dying. Covid fact

[Ef-man]

What's the 7-day average of deaths there?

CDC statistics on this site.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends

[ChumpDumper]

No one healthy dying. Covid factOf course healthy people aren't dead. That's the definition of dead.

You are not smart.

[tholdren]

Of course healthy people aren't dead. That's the definition of dead.

You are not smart.

You cant read

[ChumpDumper]

You cant readYou said healthy people are alive.

tholduh

[Ef-man]

Of course healthy people aren't dead. That's the definition of dead.

You are not smart.

:lol

Except the stupid healthy ones, they always die.

Their famous last words include: “watch this,” or its variant “hold my beer,” or “what happens when I do this,” or the ever popular “see, the gun is not loaded.”

[tholdren]

You said healthy people are alive.

tholduh
Bwahahahahahaah

Goal post move


Doesn't matter. You said covid dangerous to everyone. It is not. Less fatal than flu to working class and younger.
Your logic lol

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahahahahaah

Goal post move


Doesn't matter. You said covid dangerous to everyone. It is not. Less fatal than flu to working class and younger.
Your logic lolWhy do you lie about everything?

You're embarrassed at how wrong you were.

You're lying lol

[Ef-man]

Am sure tholdren’s last words will be:

“Wrong elnono, bwahahajaja, lolololol. Bleach enemas safer than the vaccine, Bwahahajaja, lolololo, wait one.......”

[tholdren]

Why do you lie about everything?

You're embarrassed at how wrong you were.

Your lying lol

lolololoolooll

Never wrong


Always said covid not dangerous to working class and younger. Always said ifr less than flu for this group. Always said lockdowns dont work


I'm still 100 correct

[ChumpDumper]

lolololoolooll

Never wrong


Always said covid not dangerous to working class and younger. Always said ifr less than flu for this group. Always said lockdowns dont work


I'm still 100 correctNo, you lie about what you said.

Still 100 percent wrong.

[tholdren]

No, you lie about what you said.

Still 100 percent wrong.

nope.

100 correct

[ChumpDumper]

nope.

100 correct
You were 100% wrong.

That's why you hid.

lol

[tholdren]

You were 100% wrong.

That's why you hid.

lol

hid? Lololoolooololoopolooolooloool

Chumpdump lolololollool

Lolololo


Chumpdump. I told you 6 months ago the virus was sensationalism and only dangerous to the very ill. you want me to post every day about the flu?

[ElNono]

hid? Lololoolooololoopolooolooloool

Chumpdump lolololollool

Lolololo


Chumpdump. I told you 6 months ago the virus was sensationalism and only dangerous to the very ill. you want me to post every day about the flu?

^^^ meltdown per the usual bads

[ChumpDumper]

^^^ meltdown per the usual badsth:lolldren pwnt

[hombre]

Dumbass theOLDhen still thinks it's the flu!

Hahaha!!!

[tholdren]

Covid less dangerous than the flu in all countries. Even the ones that had no mitigation because they knew it was less dangerous than the flu

[ChumpDumper]

Except you're wrong about everything.:tu

[hombre]

COVID9 -188K US deaths so far in 2020
Influenza - 24k US deaths in 2019

The lunatic ramblings of theOldHen, remember when he was saying the US was not gong to be as bad as Italy?

[Bogie]

Covid less dangerous than the flu in all countries. Even the ones that had no mitigation because they knew it was less dangerous than the flu

how hard are you trying to comfort yourself.

you must be old and in bad health.

you know it might be time for you to go to the hospital and get infected with the Covid. Show us all.

otherwise you’re completely useless in life, and should stop

[tholdren]

how hard are you trying to comfort yourself.

you must be old and in bad health.

you know it might be time for you to go to the hospital and get infected with the Covid. Show us all.

otherwise you’re completely useless in life, and should stop

Nope been traveling all over. Never stopped. Flew and continue to fly regularly.

Not dangerous to anyone healthy. Keep hiding!!

[Bogie]

Nope been traveling all over. Never stopped. Flew and continue to fly regularly.

Not dangerous to anyone healthy. Keep hiding!!


you’re a terrible terrible liar.

[TimDunkem]

you’re a terrible terrible liar.
Yeah. Judging by that post history and the fact that he's on the record as saying this is the best part of his day, I'm willing to bet he's lying again.

[tholdren]

you’re a terrible terrible liar.

bwahahahahhagaHha you know

[tholdren]

and still less deaths than ny ltc

[ElNono]

you’re a terrible terrible liar.

[tholdren]

and still less deaths than ny ltc

cumo killed at least 8k at this point numbers rising. Sweden 3k at least less in the whole population.


Success for sweden fail for ny.

But go buy the book cuomo sold about it.

Lol dishonest el wrongwrong

[tholdren]

cumo killed at least 8k at this point numbers rising. Sweden 3k at least less in the whole population.


Success for sweden fail for ny.

But go buy the book cuomo sold about it.

Lol dishonest el wrongwrong

ttt

[ChumpDumper]

f:lolldren folds

[tholdren]

Less deaths than ny cuomo homes

[tholdren]

My people are alive without sacrificing old and sick people.

lololol

[tholdren]

10,000,000 is an economic formula. See the NPR link and discussion. I work in insurance and deal with mortality and risk all the time. Behind each death reported as a loss, there are people.

The big question:

we have 300,000 spare hospital beds in teh US for 330,000,000 people.

That means if more than 0.09% of the population suddenly requires hospitalization... they are not getting it. That doesn't even account for ICU/ventilators.

If you need medical attention and you don't get it, for the flu or COVID, your mortality rate skyrockets.

COVID has greater rates of hospitalization than the flu by about a factor of five to what I have seen. (CDC website data on flu for past few years, versus what I culled from a couple of studies posted here)

I think it was about 5% hospitalization rate.

300,000/.05 = 6,000,000

6,000,000 people get sick simultaneously at that hospitalization rate, and you have filled every single open hospital bed in the country.

We are at 1.4M confirmed cases now. with an r0 hovering a bit under 1, with lockdowns and stay at home orders. (based on website CC posted the other day)

Doesn't take much to tick that up.

that is the risk. Overwhelm the health care system, and you have a LOT of excess deaths.

lol this happened

[TimDunkem]

f:lolldren never used to post this much. You guys are definitely in his head. :lol

bwahaha Meeeeelllltttdooooowwwwwnnn

[ElNono]

f:lolldren never used to post this much. You guys are definitely in his head. :lol

bwahaha Meeeeelllltttdooooowwwwwnnn

:lol he's been bumping posts from 2-3 months ago, that's when you know he's seething mad

[tholdren]

:lol he's been bumping posts from 2-3 months ago, that's when you know he's seething mad

lololol

all bumps do is show you how wrong you were. For months

[ChumpDumper]

f:lolldren foldslol

[Ef-man]

lol

Foldren should change his name to “Origami” as he folds so well!

:lol

[ElNono]

Foldren should change his name to “Origami” as he folds so well!

:lol

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ElNono]

lololol

all bumps do is show you how wrong you were. For months

I've been correct all along, wasn't me who went hiding to the bunker after embarrassingly predicting 10k deaths... :lmao

[tholdren]

I've been correct all along, wasn't me who went hiding to the bunker after embarrassingly predicting 10k deaths... :lmao

You mad cause I was right? Sad

[Ef-man]

I've been correct all along, wasn't me who went hiding to the bunker after embarrassingly predicting 10k deaths... :lmao

:lmao

Now that he is considering leaving the bunker, but yet not out of the bunker, foldren is now clarifying that he possibly meant to say 10k, as in 10 killion* deaths

*A killion is a unit of measure understood by only those that speak bwahahajaja and subject to change should he ever leave his bunker.

:lmao

[ElNono]

:lmao

Now that he is considering leaving the bunker, but yet not out of the bunker, foldren is now clarifying that he possibly meant to say 10k, as in 10 killion* deaths

*A killion is a unit of measure understood by only those that speak bwahahajaja and subject to change should he ever leave his bunker.

:lmao

so you're saying he's folding... ok.. :lol

[tholdren]

cuomo killed 1ps of thousands

[ChumpDumper]

so you're saying he's folding... ok.. :lol

[tholdren]

Why do you lie about nursing homes and sweden?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you lie about nursing homes and sweden?

f:lolldren, everyone laughs at you because you're wrong and pissed off about being wrong and trying to deny being wrong.

[Ef-man]

Why do you lie about nursing homes and sweden?

Why do you foldren all the time?
:lol

[tholdren]

f:lolldren, everyone laughs at you because you're wrong and pissed off about being wrong and trying to deny being wrong.

lol so you are lying about the count of deaths in sweden. Dishonesty is your thing

[ChumpDumper]

lol so you are lying about the count of deaths in sweden. Dishonesty is your thing

f:lolldren, everyone laughs at you because you're wrong and pissed off about being wrong and trying to deny being wrong.

[tholdren]

lol so you are lying about the count of deaths in sweden. Dishonesty is your thing

Chumpdump lying and refusing to make a choice. Typical

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump lying and refusing to make a choice. Typicalf:lolldren lying and refusing to show any math or science. Typical

f:lolldren, everyone laughs at you because you're wrong and pissed off about being wrong and trying to deny being wrong. Typical.

[tholdren]

lol so you are lying about the count of deaths in sweden. Dishonesty is your thing

h
Chumpdump doing his deflecting. Refusing to answer and claiming others fold. His thing lolol


He wears a mask tok

[ChumpDumper]

h
Chumpdump doing his deflecting. Refusing to answer and claiming others fold. His thing lolol


He wears a mask tokf:lolldren is deflecting and hasn't answered a question in six months and wears a mask. Everyone laughs at him.

[tholdren]

h
Chumpdump doing his deflecting. Refusing to answer and claiming others fold. His thing lolol


He wears a mask tok

ChumpDumper page after.page of his opinion. Lies about the virus. Wont admit and then deflects.

Why are you afraid to tell the truth chumpdump?

Sweden more deaths than nyc nursing homes. Yes or no


Wait for deflection

[ChumpDumper]

ChumpDumper page after.page of his opinion. Lies about the virus. Wont admit and then deflects. You described yourself.

You f:lolldrened forever. You hate science and math since they both pwned you in March and drove you to your bunker.

Prove your claim.

[tholdren]

ChumpDumper page after.page of his opinion. Lies about the virus. Wont admit and then deflects.

Why are you afraid to tell the truth chumpdump?

Sweden more deaths than nyc nursing homes. Yes or no


Wait for deflection
And he deflected. Why won't he answer? Because he is a dishonest liar who.wears a mask

[DMC]

COVID-19 has killed at least 11,000 to 12,000 nursing-home and assisted-living residents in New York, nearly double what the state admits to. And as the deaths mount, so have the lies and cover-ups.

The carnage started in March, when hospitals inundated with COVID-19 patients insisted on clearing out elderly patients, even if they were still infected, and sending them to whatever nursing homes had empty beds. To swing that, they had to get rid of a safety regulation requiring patients to test negative twice for COVID-19 before being placed in a home. The state Health Department willingly complied.

On March 25, Gov. Cuomo’s Health Department mandated that nursing homes had to accept COVID patients and barred requiring any COVID tests for admission. Facilities like Newfane had to fly blind, not knowing which incoming patients had it.

The American Health Care Association called it a “recipe for disaster.” The Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths urged Cuomo to change course.

Instead, New York’s health commissioner, Howard Zucker, began fudging the death statistics, which concealed the consequences: Until late April, New York had reported all nursing-home residents who died from COVID-19, whether they died at the home or after being hospitalized. That’s standard. But as the toll soared, the state quietly shifted to reporting only deaths at the homes. That reduced the number to 6,062 — terrible but only half the truth.

The reality is, at least another 17,000 elder-care patients with COVID-19 were sent to hospitals, and an estimated 5,000 to 7,000 of them have died, with death rates highest for those on ventilators, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association’s mortality rates.

From May :lol

Obviously Trump caused this.

Sweden deaths - 5,842 (current)


You can see why all the deflecting. Chumpdrifter only wants to go down paths he created to control the narrative, can't ever be wrong and if he is, will deflect and eventually just leave.

Hate to see it, tbh

[tholdren]

And he deflected. Why won't he answer? Because he is a dishonest liar who.wears a mask

Cuomo murdered more ederly than died in all of sweden qith 0 mask 0 lockdown. Odd virus.


Why do you loe about this fact ChumpDumper?

Cuomo killed more than all of sweden, yes or no?

[pgardn]

Cuomo murdered more ederly than died in all of sweden qith 0 mask 0 lockdown. Odd virus.


Why do you loe about this fact ChumpDumper?

Cuomo killed more than all of sweden, yes or no?

no one has died of Covid, remember
you need some consistency

[ChumpDumper]

no one has died of Covid, remember
you need some consistency

:lmao foldren

[DMC]

Cuomo murdered more ederly than died in all of sweden qith 0 mask 0 lockdown. Odd virus.


Why do you loe about this fact ChumpDumper?

Cuomo killed more than all of sweden, yes or no?

the hero of New York? Never!

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the Cuomo straw man again....

[clambake]

:lol the Cuomo straw man again....

Straw? No, it’s a tube, roughly the size of a gerbil.

[tholdren]

Cuomo murdered more ederly than died in all of sweden qith 0 mask 0 lockdown. Odd virus.


Why do you loe about this fact ChumpDumper?

Cuomo killed more than all of sweden, yes or no?

no answer ? Strange....

[tholdren]

Cuomo murdered more ederly than died in all of sweden qith 0 mask 0 lockdown. Odd virus.


Why do you loe about this fact ChumpDumper?

Cuomo killed more than all of sweden, yes or no?.... ChumpDumper

[ChumpDumper]

Cuomo murdered more ederly than died in all of sweden qith 0 mask 0 lockdown. Odd virus.


Why do you loe about this fact ChumpDumper?

Cuomo killed more than all of sweden, yes or no?.... ChumpDumperAre you saying they died because they got COVID?

Please answer so we can continue.

[tholdren]

no answer ? Strange....

Chumpdump folded all thread and responds w a question

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump folded all thread and responds w a questionI want you to tell me if all those people died after getting COVID.

Then I'll be glad to answer.

[DMC]

Chumpdump folded all thread and responds w a question

Snipe hunt... go find X and post it or fold. (I haven't even read it, lol... toil away recluse refuse)

[ChumpDumper]

Snipe hunt... go find X and post it or fold. (I haven't even read it, lol... toil away recluse refuse)I just want to know if foldren says these people died because they got COVID.

I have no problem answering if he tells me they died because they got COVID.

[DMC]

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There it is again. Must be some script issue with Chrome.

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There it is again. Must be some script issue with Chrome.:lol all you had to do was say you're afraid to answer when you were last tested for COVID.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump folded all thread and responds w a question

[tholdren]

who killed more
Sweden or cuomo?
Cuomo or DeSantis?

Who wrote a book?

Lolololkoll

Fauci bums

[ChumpDumper]

How do you say the virus is spread, foldren?

[tholdren]

who killed more
Sweden or cuomo?
Cuomo or DeSantis?

Who wrote a book?

Lolololkoll

Fauci bums

[ChumpDumper]

How do you say the virus is spread, foldren?

Give the scientific answer.

[tholdren]

who killed more
Sweden or cuomo?
Cuomo or DeSantis?

Who wrote a book?

Lolololkoll

Fauci bums

no answer from chumpdump. Lies hiding and masks is all he got

[ChumpDumper]

You are hiding from my science question.

How do you say the virus is spread, foldren?

[tholdren]

no answer from chumpdump. Lies hiding and masks is all he got

Cuomo death count 65k

[ChumpDumper]

Cuomo death count 65k
But you said no one dies of COVID.

Which is it?

You are hiding from my science question.

How do you say the virus is spread, foldren?

[DMC]

Cuomo death count 65k

https://i.imgur.com/ZMDTMgZ.jpg
An a book

[tholdren]

But you said no one dies of COVID.

Which is it?

You are hiding from my science question.

How do you say the virus is spread, foldren?

I said no one healthy. Not only did he kill heathy people with lockdown, he killed thousands of the most vulnerable because he listened to cdc. If only they wore masks

[ChumpDumper]

I said no one healthy. Not only did he kill heathy people with lockdown, he killed thousands of the most vulnerable because he listened to cdc. If only they wore masksDid they die because they got COVID?

[tholdren]

Did they die because they got COVID?

No

[ChumpDumper]

NoWhy did they die?

Give your scientific answer for all of them.

[tholdren]

Why did they die?

Give your scientific answer for all of them.

they died from the other comorbidities they had. Cdc says at least 94 pct.

[tholdren]

they died from the other comorbidities they had. Cdc says at least 94 pct.

sweden just like all the other data shows normal curve regardless of mitigation.

Use the math there really isn't anything you can argue.

[tholdren]

sweden just like all the other data shows normal curve regardless of mitigation.

Use the math there really isn't anything you can argue.

[ElNono]

^ another sled quote meltdown... you hate to see it :lol

[tholdren]

sweden just like all the other data shows normal curve regardless of mitigation.

Use the math there really isn't anything you can argue.

[ChumpDumper]

they died from the other comorbidities they had. Cdc says at least 94 pct.But they all got COVID, right?

[tholdren]

But they all got COVID, right?

no

[ChumpDumper]

noHow many of them got COVID?

show your math.

[tholdren]

How many of them got COVID?

show your math.

I've already told you.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already told you.You did not.

How many got COVID?

[tholdren]

How many of them got COVID?

show your math.

lololol Chumpdump gossiping. Repeating fake media numbers without knowing how to get correct information.

Either hes really bad at math

Or

He's a liar

Which one chumpy.

[ChumpDumper]

lololol Chumpdump gossiping. Repeating fake media numbers without knowing how to get correct information.

Either hes really bad at math

Or

He's a liar

Which one chumpy.What's your number?

Why are you so afraid of me?

[tholdren]

What's your number?

Why are you so afraid of me?

Deflection

Liar?

Or ignorant?

[ChumpDumper]

Deflection

Liar?

Or ignorant?You are deflecting and lying.

What is your number.

Don't be so afraid of me.

[tholdren]

Deflection

Liar?

Or ignorant?

chumpdump lying and deflecting

[tholdren]

2 more weeks for usa 0 more weeks for sweden

[ChumpDumper]

How do you say the virus is spread?

[tholdren]

How do you say the virus is spread?

Flatten the curve

[DarrinS]

7-day moving average of deaths = 1

[ChumpDumper]

Flatten the curveQuit dodging and answer the simple science question.

How do you say the virus is spread?

[tholdren]

7-day moving average of deaths = 1

covid has been over for months. This garbage is residual data falsification

[ChumpDumper]

covid has been over for months. This garbage is residual data falsification

Quit dodging and answer the simple science question.

How do you say the virus is spread?

[tholdren]

covid has been over for months. This garbage is residual data falsification

[ChumpDumper]

Prove it.

[tholdren]

still success

[tholdren]

Sweden wins no mask no lockdown

[tholdren]

Success

[tholdren]

sweden never stopped going to school. No masks
No distancing

Killed less in a whole country

Than cuomo killed in nursing homes with masks lockdown isolation and distancing

.but masks work


Lolllookloioloookdkdkskkskk

[tholdren]

bwagahahahahhaHH


Cdc

[tholdren]

bwagahahahahhaHH


Cdc

[tholdren]

Sweden wins again

[tholdren]

I'm schools 0 deaths

[ElNono]

^ 9 post gossip meltdown :lmao

[tholdren]

I'm schools 0 deaths
El wrongwrong disputes this. Lololl

Must not be informed

[tholdren]

El wrongwrong disputes this. Lololl

Must not be informed

2000000000000000000000000000000000000

??????

[ElNono]

^^^ :lol another meltdown, f:loldren defeated... you hate to see it, tbh

[tholdren]

2000000000000000000000000000000000000

??????

success for sweden

[ElNono]

^ :lol biden good now... f:lolldren doing what f:lolldren does

[tholdren]

^ :lol biden good now... f:lolldren doing what f:lolldren does

El wrongwrong logic

[ElNono]

El wrongwrong logic

^ gossip

[tholdren]

A second corona wave?

A second wave is now being discussed in Belgium, with a further tightening of the measures as a result. However, closer examination of Sciensano’s figures37 shows that, although there has been an increase in the number of infections since mid-July, there was no increase in hospital admissions or deaths at that time. It is therefore not a second wave of corona, but a so-called “case chemistry” due to an increased number of tests. 50
The number of hospital admissions or deaths showed a shortlasting minimal increase in recent weeks, but in interpreting it, we must take into account the recent heatwave. In addition, the vast majority of the victims are still in the population group >75 years.
This indicates that the proportion of the measures taken in relation to the working population and young people is disproportionate to the intended objectives.
The vast majority of the positively tested “infected” persons are in the age group of the active population, which does not develop any or merely limited symptoms, due to a well-functioning immune system.
So nothing has changed – the peak is over.

Strengthening a prevention policy

The corona measures form a striking contrast to the minimal policy pursued by the government until now, when it comes to well-founded measures with proven health benefits such as the sugar tax, the ban on (e-)cigarettes and making healthy food, exercise and social support networks financially attractive and widely accessible. It is a missed opportunity for a better prevention policy that could have brought about a change in mentality in all sections of the population with clear results in terms of public health. At present, only 3% of the health care budget goes to prevention. 2

The Hippocratic Oath

As a doctor, we took the Hippocratic Oath:
“I will above all care for my patients, promote their health and alleviate their suffering”.

“I will inform my patients correctly.”

“Even under pressure, I will not use my medical knowledge for practices that are against humanity.”
The current measures force us to act against this oath.
Other health professionals have a similar code.

The ‘primum non nocere’, which every doctor and health professional assumes, is also undermined by the current measures and by the prospect of the possible introduction of a generalised vaccine, which is not subject to extensive prior testing.

Vaccine

Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent.38
Due to the continuous natural mutation of viruses, as we also see every year in the case of the influenza virus, a vaccine is at most a temporary solution, which requires new vaccines each time afterwards. An untested vaccine, which is implemented by emergency procedure and for which the manufacturers have already obtained legal immunity from possible harm, raises serious questions. 39 40 We do not wish to use our patients as guinea pigs.
On a global scale, 700 000 cases of damage or death are expected as a result of the vaccine.41
If 95% of people experience Covid-19 virtually symptom-free, the risk of exposure to an untested vaccine is irresponsible.

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[tholdren]

A second corona wave?

A second wave is now being discussed in Belgium, with a further tightening of the measures as a result. However, closer examination of Sciensano’s figures37 shows that, although there has been an increase in the number of infections since mid-July, there was no increase in hospital admissions or deaths at that time. It is therefore not a second wave of corona, but a so-called “case chemistry” due to an increased number of tests. 50
The number of hospital admissions or deaths showed a shortlasting minimal increase in recent weeks, but in interpreting it, we must take into account the recent heatwave. In addition, the vast majority of the victims are still in the population group >75 years.
This indicates that the proportion of the measures taken in relation to the working population and young people is disproportionate to the intended objectives.
The vast majority of the positively tested “infected” persons are in the age group of the active population, which does not develop any or merely limited symptoms, due to a well-functioning immune system.
So nothing has changed – the peak is over.

Strengthening a prevention policy

The corona measures form a striking contrast to the minimal policy pursued by the government until now, when it comes to well-founded measures with proven health benefits such as the sugar tax, the ban on (e-)cigarettes and making healthy food, exercise and social support networks financially attractive and widely accessible. It is a missed opportunity for a better prevention policy that could have brought about a change in mentality in all sections of the population with clear results in terms of public health. At present, only 3% of the health care budget goes to prevention. 2

The Hippocratic Oath

As a doctor, we took the Hippocratic Oath:
“I will above all care for my patients, promote their health and alleviate their suffering”.

“I will inform my patients correctly.”

“Even under pressure, I will not use my medical knowledge for practices that are against humanity.”
The current measures force us to act against this oath.
Other health professionals have a similar code.

The ‘primum non nocere’, which every doctor and health professional assumes, is also undermined by the current measures and by the prospect of the possible introduction of a generalised vaccine, which is not subject to extensive prior testing.

Vaccine

Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent.38
Due to the continuous natural mutation of viruses, as we also see every year in the case of the influenza virus, a vaccine is at most a temporary solution, which requires new vaccines each time afterwards. An untested vaccine, which is implemented by emergency procedure and for which the manufacturers have already obtained legal immunity from possible harm, raises serious questions. 39 40 We do not wish to use our patients as guinea pigs.
On a global scale, 700 000 cases of damage or death are expected as a result of the vaccine.41
If 95% of people experience Covid-19 virtually symptom-free, the risk of exposure to an untested vaccine is irresponsible.

El wrongwrong lolooIolloollloll

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[ChumpDumper]

sweden never stopped going to school. No masks
No distancing

Social distancing

Rules limiting public events to no more than 50 people do not apply to schools.

However, schools in Sweden have been asked to limit large gatherings of students such as assemblies as much as possible, and to space out tables and chairs. The Public Health Agency also recommends staggering class, break, and lunch times to avoid large numbers of students mixing at the same time.

Head outdoors

It's quite common in Swedish schools to spend time outside when possible, especially during the spring and summer months. This is especially important during the pandemic, since research shows that viruses spread less easily outside.

So schools are advised to look for opportunities to move activities outside, although close contact sports and games should be avoided.

th:lolldren lies

[Ef-man]

Foldren folds so much that big laundry chais are asking him for secret folding formula

[Spurtacular]

A second corona wave?

A second wave is now being discussed in Belgium, with a further tightening of the measures as a result. However, closer examination of Sciensano’s figures37 shows that, although there has been an increase in the number of infections since mid-July, there was no increase in hospital admissions or deaths at that time. It is therefore not a second wave of corona, but a so-called “case chemistry” due to an increased number of tests. 50
The number of hospital admissions or deaths showed a shortlasting minimal increase in recent weeks, but in interpreting it, we must take into account the recent heatwave. In addition, the vast majority of the victims are still in the population group >75 years.
This indicates that the proportion of the measures taken in relation to the working population and young people is disproportionate to the intended objectives.
The vast majority of the positively tested “infected” persons are in the age group of the active population, which does not develop any or merely limited symptoms, due to a well-functioning immune system.
So nothing has changed – the peak is over.

Strengthening a prevention policy

The corona measures form a striking contrast to the minimal policy pursued by the government until now, when it comes to well-founded measures with proven health benefits such as the sugar tax, the ban on (e-)cigarettes and making healthy food, exercise and social support networks financially attractive and widely accessible. It is a missed opportunity for a better prevention policy that could have brought about a change in mentality in all sections of the population with clear results in terms of public health. At present, only 3% of the health care budget goes to prevention. 2

The Hippocratic Oath

As a doctor, we took the Hippocratic Oath:
“I will above all care for my patients, promote their health and alleviate their suffering”.

“I will inform my patients correctly.”

“Even under pressure, I will not use my medical knowledge for practices that are against humanity.”
The current measures force us to act against this oath.
Other health professionals have a similar code.

The ‘primum non nocere’, which every doctor and health professional assumes, is also undermined by the current measures and by the prospect of the possible introduction of a generalised vaccine, which is not subject to extensive prior testing.

Vaccine

Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent.38
Due to the continuous natural mutation of viruses, as we also see every year in the case of the influenza virus, a vaccine is at most a temporary solution, which requires new vaccines each time afterwards. An untested vaccine, which is implemented by emergency procedure and for which the manufacturers have already obtained legal immunity from possible harm, raises serious questions. 39 40 We do not wish to use our patients as guinea pigs.
On a global scale, 700 000 cases of damage or death are expected as a result of the vaccine.41
If 95% of people experience Covid-19 virtually symptom-free, the risk of exposure to an untested vaccine is irresponsible.

Maybe moar dancing "nurses" will help us to realize how serious this is!

[tholdren]

Social distancing

Rules limiting public events to no more than 50 people do not apply to schools.

However, schools in Sweden have been asked to limit large gatherings of students such as assemblies as much as possible, and to space out tables and chairs. The Public Health Agency also recommends staggering class, break, and lunch times to avoid large numbers of students mixing at the same time.

Head outdoors

It's quite common in Swedish schools to spend time outside when possible, especially during the spring and summer months. This is especially important during the pandemic, since research shows that viruses spread less easily outside.

So schools are advised to look for opportunities to move activities outside, although close contact sports and games should be avoided.

th:lolldren lies

Lll ChumpDumper using recommendations as evidence for what actually happens.


Lololoolo

I understand now why he believes modeling is fact.

Low

[ChumpDumper]

Lll ChumpDumper using recommendations as evidence for what actually happens.


Lololoolo

I understand now why he believes modeling is fact.

Lowfoldren has no intelligence and is afraid of me and wears a mask.

lowest

[tholdren]

Lll ChumpDumper using recommendations as evidence for what actually happens.


Lololoolo

I understand now why he believes modeling is fact.

Low

same ChumpDumper meltdown on multi threads.


Lol trump was correct.

Lololl
Who wouoda thought?

[ChumpDumper]

same ChumpDumper meltdown on multi threads.


Lol trump was correct.

Lololl
Who wouoda thought?:lol trolldren failing in multiple threads

[Ef-man]

Foldren must be taking a break from folding.

Carpal tunnel syndrome must be killing him with all that folding.

[tholdren]

And looks like I'm correct again. Sweden yearly death behind all other years.... ever

[ChumpDumper]

And looks like I'm correct again. Sweden yearly death behind all other years.... ever

Wrong.

[tholdren]

And looks like I'm correct again. Sweden yearly death behind all other years.... ever

And no masks.

Win

[tholdren]

And no masks.

Win

Lol ChumpDumper

[tholdren]

And no masks.

Win

Lol ChumpDumper

[tholdren]

Lols

[tholdren]

No masks

[DarrinS]

Sweden is doing remarkably well

[tholdren]

Sweden is doing remarkably well

Who would have thought. Me

[tholdren]

No masks

[tholdren]

No masks

[tholdren]

Who would have thought. Me

[tholdren]

Win

[tholdren]

Win