"Muh Sweden."

[tholdren]

Sorry to say, buddy, but this guy is another truther. His own graph pretty much defeats his argument. Let's look.

https://i.imgur.com/Koym5i0.png

We can see Sweden (light blue) exceeded their all cause mortality vs. the previous year, while the Nordics matched it or even beat their previous all cause mortality figures. You really don't want to go too far back in comparing all cause mortality figures because different flu strains with varying levels of lethality appear in different years. Not to mention how treatments improve each year for various illnesses. This is why the all cause mortality baseline is usually projected rather than averaged from prior years (meaning his graph in picture 2 is useless). Here's the all cause mortality figures from Euromomo. We can see Sweden is almost 3 times above the "substantial increase" baseline, while the other Nordics kept all cause below that line.

https://i.imgur.com/H7F0CMq.png

Ain't trying to pick on you, but these truthers (Gato Malo made Zorin's "bad info" list) cleverly use tricks (example here is devising the all cause baseline by averaging deaths from prior years) for the purpose of downplaying or endorsing a mitigation strategy.

the above is only for weeks given not annually Jan through Jan. Your logic is terrible

[midnightpulp]

I've been trying with no luck to find a recent article I read earlier about how last year's flu season whether mild or extreme was the greatest indicator on how many deaths a country would experience with Covid.

I don't buy any of his arguments. Z-scores are misleading because he wants them to be. Not a very compelling argument. I get what he's trying to argue, but what is the scientific evidence of "why" countries with weaker flu seasons had more severe outbreaks? It's another one of those spurious correlations like the warm weather theory in April. It sure seemed like hotter climates weren't experiencing outbreaks. Now that theory has gone up in smoke.

And the knockdown argument I have against his central point is that IF the flu theory is correct and a country/region with a prior light flu season is a just a tinderbox waiting to ignite, then that actually justifies more measures, not fewer. And I know this guy's MO. Lockdown skeptic.

And with regard to the US, our 2019 flu season wasn't particularly light. About average.

https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/2019/03/18/how-deadly-was-the-flu-in-2019/

[TSA]

I don't buy any of his arguments. Z-scores are misleading because he wants them to be. Not a very compelling argument. I get what he's trying to argue, but what is the scientific evidence of "why" countries with weaker flu seasons had more severe outbreaks? It's another one of those spurious correlations like the warm weather theory in April. It sure seemed like hotter climates weren't experiencing outbreaks. Now that theory has gone up in smoke.

And the knockdown argument I have against his central point is that IF the flu theory is correct and a country/region with a prior light flu season is a just a tinderbox waiting to ignite, then that actually justifies more measures, not fewer. And I know this guy's MO. Lockdown skeptic.

And with regard to the US, our 2019 flu season wasn't particularly light. About average.

https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/2019/03/18/how-deadly-was-the-flu-in-2019/

"The 2018–2019 season in Sweden was dominated by influenza A and reached a moderate level of intensity. According to several surveillance systems, the season was less intense than the five previous seasons."

"Fewer people in the age group 65 years and older fell ill during the season than during the previous two seasons. Prolonged influenza activity was seen in this age group towards the end of the season, as influenza A(H3N2) began to dominate the season. No influenza-related excess mortality was seen among people 65 years and older, although a small peak in all-cause excess mortality was seen in week 1, 2019, in northern Sweden."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511

The flu theory can't just be brushed aside.

[TSA]

I don't buy any of his arguments. Z-scores are misleading because he wants them to be. Not a very compelling argument. I get what he's trying to argue, but what is the scientific evidence of "why" countries with weaker flu seasons had more severe outbreaks? It's another one of those spurious correlations like the warm weather theory in April. It sure seemed like hotter climates weren't experiencing outbreaks. Now that theory has gone up in smoke.

And the knockdown argument I have against his central point is that IF the flu theory is correct and a country/region with a prior light flu season is a just a tinderbox waiting to ignite, then that actually justifies more measures, not fewer. And I know this guy's MO. Lockdown skeptic.

And with regard to the US, our 2019 flu season wasn't particularly light. About average.

https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/2019/03/18/how-deadly-was-the-flu-in-2019/

"The 2018–2019 season in Sweden was dominated by influenza A and reached a moderate level of intensity. According to several surveillance systems, the season was less intense than the five previous seasons."

"Fewer people in the age group 65 years and older fell ill during the season than during the previous two seasons. Prolonged influenza activity was seen in this age group towards the end of the season, as influenza A(H3N2) began to dominate the season. No influenza-related excess mortality was seen among people 65 years and older, although a small peak in all-cause excess mortality was seen in week 1, 2019, in northern Sweden."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511

The flu theory can't just be brushed aside.

[tholdren]

I don't buy any of his arguments. Z-scores are misleading because he wants them to be. Not a very compelling argument. I get what he's trying to argue, but what is the scientific evidence of "why" countries with weaker flu seasons had more severe outbreaks? It's another one of those spurious correlations like the warm weather theory in April. It sure seemed like hotter climates weren't experiencing outbreaks. Now that theory has gone up in smoke.

And the knockdown argument I have against his central point is that IF the flu theory is correct and a country/region with a prior light flu season is a just a tinderbox waiting to ignite, then that actually justifies more measures, not fewer. And I know this guy's MO. Lockdown skeptic.

And with regard to the US, our 2019 flu season wasn't particularly light. About average.

https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/2019/03/18/how-deadly-was-the-flu-in-2019/

Lololool terrible illogical claim

[midnightpulp]

"The 2018–2019 season in Sweden was dominated by influenza A and reached a moderate level of intensity. According to several surveillance systems, the season was less intense than the five previous seasons."

"Fewer people in the age group 65 years and older fell ill during the season than during the previous two seasons. Prolonged influenza activity was seen in this age group towards the end of the season, as influenza A(H3N2) began to dominate the season. No influenza-related excess mortality was seen among people 65 years and older, although a small peak in all-cause excess mortality was seen in week 1, 2019, in northern Sweden."

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511

The flu theory can't just be brushed aside.

What's the scientific reason, though? Intuitively, only reasons I can think of is that people who would've died in a more severe flu season luckily avoided catching it during the mild year, so the vulnerable population was larger in a country with a mild flu season vs. a country that had a previous severe flu season that reduced the vulnerable population. Or perhaps your immune system is on lower alert when you avoid catching the flu or another virus for a while.

But I don't see how this changes anything? If the theory is true, regions that have had mild flu outbreaks the year prior should actually institute more measures. This would actually mean Sweden failed even more not being more strict if they had a mild flu season previously.

[TSA]

What's the scientific reason, though? Intuitively, only reasons I can think of is that people who would've died in a more severe flu season luckily avoided catching it during the mild year, so the vulnerable population was larger in a country with a mild flu season vs. a country that had a previous severe flu season that reduced the vulnerable population. Or perhaps your immune system is on lower alert when you avoid catching the flu or another virus for a while.That’s the theory. Older/vulnerable population that would have died in an average to above average flu season were still alive and got taken out by the next virus.


But I don't see how this changes anything? If the theory is true, regions that have had mild flu outbreaks the year prior should actually institute more measures. This would actually mean Sweden failed even more not being more strict if they had a mild flu season previously.Theory is nothing more than armchair QB’ing looking at past data after the fact. Don’t think it was ever to influence policy.

[tholdren]

Notice the people who believe in lockdowns will never create any analysis of lives lost to lockdown or how many years of recovery this will lead to. Nor can they ever prove lives were saved. Nor can they prove that lockdowns had any net benefit.


All they will do is focus on inaccurate raw data and express the horror of daily case and fatality count knowing that these are inaccurate.

Job well done cancelculture

[midnightpulp]

Notice the people who believe in lockdowns will never create any analysis of lives lost to lockdown or how many years of recovery this will lead to. Nor can they ever prove lives were saved. Nor can they prove that lockdowns had any net benefit.


All they will do is focus on inaccurate raw data and express the horror of daily case and fatality count knowing that these are inaccurate.

Job well done cancelculture

We have some examples to look back to.

Life expectancy actually rose during the great depression.
The suicide rate didn't tick up significant during the 08 crisis and the aftermath.
A WPA program rebuilding our 3rd world infrastructure can get people back to work.

They locked down during the Spanish Flu as well.

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/blog_gdp_spanish_flu.gif

I honestly see "your side" as the ones fear mongering, acting like 6-12 months of measures (and no, no state is totally "locking down," closures are more targeted and phased) is going destroy life as we know it and cause millions of suicides and overdoses.

[midnightpulp]

Notice the people who believe in lockdowns will never create any analysis of lives lost to lockdown or how many years of recovery this will lead to. Nor can they ever prove lives were saved. Nor can they prove that lockdowns had any net benefit.


All they will do is focus on inaccurate raw data and express the horror of daily case and fatality count knowing that these are inaccurate.

Job well done cancelculture

We have some examples to look back to.

Life expectancy actually rose during the great depression.
The suicide rate didn't tick up significant during the 08 crisis and the aftermath.
A WPA program rebuilding our 3rd world infrastructure can get people back to work.

They locked down during the Spanish Flu as well.

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/blog_gdp_spanish_flu.gif

I honestly see "your side" as the ones fear mongering, acting like 6-12 months of measures (and no, no state is totally "locking down," closures are more targeted and phased) is going destroy life as we know it and cause millions of suicides and overdoses.

[tholdren]

We have some examples to look back to.

Life expectancy actually rose during the great depression.
The suicide rate didn't tick up significant during the 08 crisis and the aftermath.
A WPA program rebuilding our 3rd world infrastructure can get people back to work.

They locked down during the Spanish Flu as well.

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/blog_gdp_spanish_flu.gif

I honestly see "your side" as the ones fear mongering, acting like 6-12 months of measures (and no, no state is totally "locking down," closures are more targeted and phased) is going destroy life as we know it and cause millions of suicides and overdoses.

You cant even give an accurate account of who has covid let alone who died from it. All you know is that under 45 is less than flu risk of death. Lockdowns not needed. You have no net benefits

[midnightpulp]

You cant even give an accurate account of who has covid let alone who died from it. All you know is that under 45 is less than flu risk of death. Lockdowns not needed. You have no net benefits

Untrue. Covid only starts being less dangerous than the flu in the <18 age group (I've showed you the IFR for all age groups). Also, younger people invariably pass it to older people. The idiotic idea of "just shelter the old, bro" is much, much easier said than done.

Lockdowns have a net benefit. They save lives. Refer to my data that you love to dismiss because it challenges your anti-lockdown stance.

[tholdren]

Untrue. Covid only starts being less dangerous than the flu in the <18 age group (I've showed you the IFR for all age groups). Also, younger people invariably pass it to older people. The idiotic idea of "just shelter the old, bro" is much, much easier said than done.

Lockdowns have a net benefit. They save lives. Refer to my data that you love to dismiss because it challenges your anti-lockdown stance.

1. Incorrect if for under 45 or with 0 preexisting conditions is less than flu

2. No it isnt only if you are in ny

3. They don't save lives. They prolong some lives which isn't even proven. They ruin millions more than they have prolonged which is proven. They also continue to ruin for years, which will also be proven.

[midnightpulp]

1. Incorrect if for under 45 or with 0 preexisting conditions is less than flu

2. No it isnt only if you are in ny

3. They don't save lives. They prolong some lives which isn't even proven. They ruin millions more than they have prolonged which is proven. They also continue to ruin for years, which will also be proven.

No it isn't, not when comparing age group to age group. Show your math here. Show me age stratified fatality rates for Covid vs. Flu for people with no preexisting conditions.

This didn't happen during the Spanish Flu, and countries that locked down, like Denmark and Norway, are already starting to return to normal.

[midnightpulp]

Oh, and here's a graph debunking the sheltering the old concept. From FL. Look how infection moves from younger to older.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed38nlSU4AAhNxC?format=png&name=large

[tholdren]

No it isn't, not when comparing age group to age group. Show your math here. Show me age stratified fatality rates for Covid vs. Flu for people with no preexisting conditions.

This didn't happen during the Spanish Flu, and countries that locked down, like Denmark and Norway, are already starting to return to normal.

Yes it is. I already have numerous times.

Lololool

Spanish flu. Hilarious

[midnightpulp]

Yes it is. I already have numerous times.

Lololool

Spanish flu. Hilarious

You've never showed age stratified IFR of Covid vs. the Flu.

[tholdren]

Oh, and here's a graph debunking the sheltering the old concept. From FL. Look how infection moves from younger to older.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed38nlSU4AAhNxC?format=png&name=large

bwwahahaahahahhahahahahha you dont knownhow to interpret that chart.

Its like your scatter plot


Bwahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahaha hahahha

Take a stats class during lockdown

[tholdren]

You've never showed age stratified IFR of Covid vs. the Flu.

yes I have

[midnightpulp]

bwwahahaahahahhahahahahha you dont knownhow to interpret that chart.

Its like your scatter plot


Bwahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahaha hahahha

Take a stats class during lockdown

Take that as your concession.

[midnightpulp]

yes I have

Link?

[tholdren]

Link?

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863

Even with an elevated total ifr, which is incorrect, but here you go for the 50th time.

Shocking you can even argue this without knowing basic facts.

[tholdren]

As ive said before, your number sense is illogical, but at least you are trying to learn. Your bias is too strong to be logical.

[tholdren]

Also Alberto Boretti
"After leas than 2 months, the simulations that drove the world to lockdown appear to be wrong, the same of the policies they generated."

Read that paper

[tholdren]

And there you have it.
1. Ifr for 64 and under less than flu linked above
2. Science proving over count of covid and the inability to make policy based on wrong models linked above
3. Science explaing lockdowns do not work nor can be proven so based on 1 and 2.

Linked above and known since December

Quick scatterplots

[midnightpulp]

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863

Even with an elevated total ifr, which is incorrect, but here you go for the 50th time.

Shocking you can even argue this without knowing basic facts.

I already tore that shit apart a few days ago

https://i.imgur.com/v7nYUmI.png

[midnightpulp]

^correction though. Covid IFR is for 50-64 is actually .0014, about 3 times higher than the flu for that age group.

[tholdren]

I already tore that shit apart a few days ago

https://i.imgur.com/v7nYUmI.png

Bwajahhahahahahahahahabahahahavahavahahag wrong


So completely wrong.

Bwahhahahahahahahah

Literally the director of the cdc said the burden of flu was 13 times greater than school age. Bwahahahhahahahahahaha


Fail

[tholdren]

^correction though. Covid IFR is for 50-64 is actually .0014, about 3 times higher than the flu for that age group.


Bwahhajahahajahahahhahahahahahshsh


Failed again.

[ChumpDumper]

Notice the people who believe in lockdowns will never create any analysis of lives lost to lockdown or how many years of recovery this will lead to.Where's yours?

Show your math.

[midnightpulp]

Let's further dump on tholdren's claim that the flu is less lethal for 18-64 age group than Covid. I already did this a week ago, but have to do it again because he keeps Goebbels'ing the lie over and over.

In 2018, one of the worst flu seasons on record, the 18-64 age group saw 9500 deaths

Per holdren's own fuckin' link, by June 17, Covid has already claimed roughly over 19000 in that age group. And the count is still going UP.

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/coronavirus%20covid%20mortality%20us%20by%20age.pn g

[tholdren]

Quick scatterplots

Per the director of the cdc
WE HAVE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 RIGHT NOW, SIX MONTHS INTO THIS PANDEMIC, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MORTALITY FOR THOSE UNDER 18 ABOUT .1 FOR 100,000 AND ONE IN HA MILLION. AND I ALWAYS TRY TO COMPARE THAT TO INFLUENZA WHERE THE MORTALITY OVER THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE RANGED ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TIMES TO 16 TIMES HIGHER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FROM COVID

[tholdren]

Let's further dump on tholdren's claim that the flu is less lethal for 18-64 age group than Covid. I already did this a week ago, but have to do it again because he keeps Goebbels'ing the lie over and over.

In 2018, one of the worst flu seasons on record, the 18-64 age group saw 9500 deaths

Per holdren's own fuckin' link, by June 17, Covid has already claimed roughly over 19000 in that age group. And the count is still going UP.

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/coronavirus%20covid%20mortality%20us%20by%20age.pn g

bwahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Thats not ifr. Lololololooll

You have no idea what you are posting



Bwahahahhahahahahagagag

[midnightpulp]

Bwajahhahahahahahahahabahahahavahavahahag wrong


So completely wrong.

Bwahhahahahahahahah

Literally the director of the cdc said the burden of flu was 13 times greater than school age. Bwahahahhahahahahahaha


Fail

Are you talking about school age children under-17 or so? I don't disagree with that. The stats even show it. Your dumb claim is that the flu is more lethal for people in the 18-64 age group. That stats DO NOT show that.

[tholdren]

Are you talking about school age children under-17 or so? I don't disagree with that. The stats even show it. Your dumb claim is that the flu is more lethal for people in the 18-64 age group. That stats DO NOT show that.

Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Can't even read statistics beahahahahhahahahahahahajhahahahahahahabah



Quick post then backpedal and namecall


Bwahahahhahahahahahahbababababababbababahahahahhah ahababababhahahahahabahhahahahahah


The stats do show that. Bwahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha

[midnightpulp]

bwahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Thats not ifr. Lololololooll

You have no idea what you are posting



Bwahahahhahahahahagagag

Are you this retarded? If there's been more than twice as many deaths in that group already, the IFR is already higher, since we're yet nowhere near the average number of flu infections we get each year (around 60 million). Current estimate is about 37 million.

Also, your dumb link extrapolates the IFR from cases in Geneva, Switzerland, not the US. Two different populations in terms of average health (one very fat, the other not very fat).


Another group, which examined deaths in Geneva, Switzerland, concluded that the overall IFR is 0.38% to 0.98% (with a point estimate of 0.64%.)

lololollolooooolllooololoolol using Swiss data to theorize about US IFR lolololoohahahahahahbahahaahahahaahaa

no idea what ur posting lolooolojjjjjkekekekekekeek

[tholdren]

Are you this retarded? If there's been more than twice as many deaths in that group already, the IFR is already higher, since we're yet nowhere near the average number of flu infections we get each year (around 60 million). Current estimate is about 37 million.

Also, your dumb link extrapolates the IFR from cases in Geneva, Switzerland, not the US. Two different populations in terms of average health (one very fat, the other not very fat).



lololollolooooolllooololoolol using Swiss data to theorize about US IFR lolololoohahahahahahbahahaahahahaahaa

no idea what ur posting lolooolojjjjjkekekekekekeek

Bwahahhahahahahah

You dont know what ifr means.



Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahah


You didn't read


Bwahahhahahahahahahahah


You are completely wrong


Nwjahahhahajajajjajajajajajjajajajajajajajajjajaja ja

[tholdren]

Midnightpulp doesn't understand how math works.


Or ifr



Or research


BwahahahahahahahhahahahH

[tholdren]

Are you talking about school age children under-17 or so? I don't disagree with that. The stats even show it. Your dumb claim is that the flu is more lethal for people in the 18-64 age group. That stats DO NOT show that.

bwahahaahhahahahahahhaha

Cannot use statistics


Lololol

[midnightpulp]

Bwahahhahahahahah

You dont know what ifr means.



Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahah


You didn't read


Bwahahhahahahahahahahah


You are completely wrong


Nwjahahhahajajajjajajajajajjajajajajajajajajjajaja ja

I'll take that as your concession.

And lmaoooooooololololokekekejjajajaajajaja SWISS DATA loloooooooooooooooololoooooooooooooooooooool

[tholdren]

I already tore that shit apart a few days ago

https://i.imgur.com/v7nYUmI.png

Tore it apart lololol with your scatterplot. LolokIkokolokl then you say what data can and can't be inclided, yet you can't define your own terms used.



Bwahahhahahahahajnajahahja


Doesn't understand generalization or distribution




Bwhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha

Worse than RandomGuy

[tholdren]

I'll take that as your concession.

And lmaoooooooololololokekekejjajajaajajaja SWISS DATA loloooooooooooooooololoooooooooooooooooooool

you dont even uderstand how your data you use is collected.




Wahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahah ahahahahah


Then you say correlation


Bwahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahha

[tholdren]

Also Alberto Boretti
"After leas than 2 months, the simulations that drove the world to lockdown appear to be wrong, the same of the policies they generated."

Read that paper

Lolololol

Midnightpulp

0 math classes taken

[midnightpulp]

Tore it apart lololol with your scatterplot. LolokIkokolokl then you say what data can and can't be inclided, yet you can't define your own terms used.



Bwahahhahahahahajnajahahja


Doesn't understand generalization or distribution




Bwhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha

Worse than RandomGuy

I'm actually using the Swiss states to compare theorized IFRs of the flu and Covid. Since the Swiss are healthier than US citizens, I expect our IFR to be higher than theirs. Let's boil this down: For the 18-64 age group in total, Covid is more lethal. Simple as that.

Now wear a mask and urge Abbott to shutdown. Texas is getting out of hand.

[midnightpulp]

Lolololol

Midnightpulp

0 math classes taken

A cherry picked paper lolommmloololmaolmaokekekekekekekekejajajajajaajaj aajaja

1270943106695696384

[tholdren]

A cherry picked paper lolommmloololmaolmaokekekekekekekekejajajajajaajaj aajaja

1270943106695696384

Bwahabahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha ha


Quick tell me how cases are counted.


Midnightpulp is the guy who will tell you that unreliable data is good when he uses it to make a point.

And then scrutinizes data.


Midnightpulp has a bias issue.

Thread

[midnightpulp]

Bwahabahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha ha


Quick tell me how cases are counted.


Midnightpulp is the guy who will tell you that unreliable data is good when he uses it to make a point.

And then scrutinizes data.


Midnightpulp has a bias issue.

Thread

Case are counted by confirmed covid deaths, either through test or doctor's diagnosis.

Now wear your mask

[TimDunkem]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA :lolldren pwned again. How many lessons do you need to be taught, old man? :lmao

[tholdren]

A cherry picked paper lolommmloololmaolmaokekekekekekekekejajajajajaajaj aajaja

1270943106695696384
LololIlokl this is completely wrong.

And he tweets that hospitals will be overwhelmed



Loloololl

Its RandomGuy


Bwahahhahagahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

[tholdren]

Lol lockdowns don't work.

Use distribution.

[ElNono]

Tore it apart lololol with your scatterplot. LolokIkokolokl then you say what data can and can't be inclided, yet you can't define your own terms used.



Bwahahhahahahahajnajahahja


Doesn't understand generalization or distribution




Bwhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha

Worse than RandomGuy


you dont even uderstand how your data you use is collected.




Wahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahah ahahahahah


Then you say correlation


Bwahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahha


Lolololol

Midnightpulp

0 math classes taken

oh look, another meltdown :lol

[tholdren]

oh look, another meltdown :lol

El nono you're better than this. Show us all the data

[ElNono]

El nono you're better than this. Show us all the data

show us the math or f:lolldren

[ChumpDumper]

oh look, another meltdown :lol


show us the math or f:lolldren:lol

[tholdren]

show us the math or f:lolldren

After you el nono

[ChumpDumper]

After you el nono:lmao you're terrified

[ElNono]

After you el nono

Already told you my sources. Now show your math.

[tholdren]

Already told you my sources. Now show your math.

nope

[ChumpDumper]

nope:lmao you're afraid of math and science!

f:lolldren

[ElNono]

nope

:lol gossip. f:lolldren

[Blake]

strange they say no scientific proof but fauci says scientific..... who do you believe.

The guy who has lied to the public multiple times or the govt who has not....?

You?

[Winehole23]

multiple times does not convey the actual frequency of bullshit from f:loldr:loln

[TSA]

I don't buy any of his arguments. Z-scores are misleading because he wants them to be. Not a very compelling argument. I get what he's trying to argue, but what is the scientific evidence of "why" countries with weaker flu seasons had more severe outbreaks? It's another one of those spurious correlations like the warm weather theory in April. It sure seemed like hotter climates weren't experiencing outbreaks. Now that theory has gone up in smoke.

And the knockdown argument I have against his central point is that IF the flu theory is correct and a country/region with a prior light flu season is a just a tinderbox waiting to ignite, then that actually justifies more measures, not fewer. And I know this guy's MO. Lockdown skeptic.

And with regard to the US, our 2019 flu season wasn't particularly light. About average.

https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/2019/03/18/how-deadly-was-the-flu-in-2019/

https://twitter.com/EffectsFacts/status/1283085450010402827

[ChumpDumper]

SMH anonymous twitter

[tholdren]

SMH anonymous twitter

Newsweek just did a great piece on sweden success.

Lol midnightpulp

[ChumpDumper]

Newsweek:rollin

[tholdren]

:rollin

Lol all ChumpDumper can do

[ChumpDumper]

Lol all ChumpDumper can doAt this point, all that's left is to laugh at you.

You're wrong about everything and I made you afraid of science and math.

[tholdren]

At this point, all that's left is to laugh at you.

You're wrong about everything and I made you afraid of science and math.

? Science has proven me correct. Every time. Actually it's math, but o well.

Enjoy your goggles.

[ChumpDumper]

? Science has proven me correct.Wrong. It's proved you wrong every time.

Actually it's math:lmao I made you terrified of math.

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/EffectsFacts/status/1283085450010402827

It makes intuitive sense that more vulnerable people you have in a population, the more likely it is to suffer more deaths from just about anything. However, the problem with his Nordic country comparison is that he didn't adjust for population (per capita). Let's see how these figures look when they're adjusted.

Sweden (most populated, so we'll have to adjust the other countries to them): ~9.1K below average over prior 71 weeks.

Norway: ~2700 below avg prior. Adj: ~5K

Denmark: ~1700 below avg prior: Adj: ~3K

Finland: ~2300 below avg prior: Adj: ~4K

So even after adjusting, Sweden still has a greater pool of vulnerable people. But reading through his examination, of course he arrives at the conclusion that how severe a country's death toll would be has more to do with this "tinder theory" than government response.

1283086371775811586

So let's look at the relative death toll performance and compare it to the vulnerable population differences.

Norway: 1.82x vulnerable pool size, 12x fewer deaths per million.

Denmak: 3x vps, 5.3x fewer dpm.

Finland: 2.5x vps, 9.6x fewer dpm.

So you can see each country significantly (Denmark aside) outperformed their vulnerable pool size relative to Sweden in controlling their death rate. So the conclusion is that the "tinder box" doesn't fully explain the relative differences in death rate among these countries. Maybe 10-15 percent of it, but my intuition tells me the primary difference among these countries is the stringency of government response.

[midnightpulp]

Another issue I have with his theory. He says:

"This group would likely fall victim to the next "normal" flu season.

https://i.imgur.com/4OMC31D.png

Sweden had yet another normal flu season (the Swedish version of the Department of Health classified the 2018-19 flu season as one of moderate intensity), and the deaths didn't start piling until Covid entered the fray. Did Sweden just get lucky and have two mild flu seasons in a row? Maybe. But there's just too many variables at play to credit the tinder box theory with the differing death tolls.

[tholdren]

Another issue I have with his theory. He says:

"This group would likely fall victim to the next "normal" flu season.

https://i.imgur.com/4OMC31D.png

Sweden had yet another normal flu season (the Swedish version of the Department of Health classified the 2018-19 flu season as one of moderate intensity), and the deaths didn't start piling until Covid entered the fray. Did Sweden just get lucky and have two mild flu seasons in a row? Maybe. But there's just too many variables at play to credit the tinder box theory with the differing death tolls.

you low level math

[ChumpDumper]

math:lol

[tholdren]

:lol

I notice any time you are asked specifics you just emoji. Why?

[ChumpDumper]

I notice any time you are asked specifics you just emoji. Why?You're afraid to show your math.

You're afraid to post links.

You're afraid of me.

That's why I laugh at you.

[midnightpulp]

I notice any time you are asked specifics you just emoji. Why?

Sweden lost. That's it. And Texas with another 300 death day. You write a letter to Abbott yet?

And wear your mask.

[tholdren]

Sweden lost. That's it. And Texas with another 300 death day. You write a letter to Abbott yet?

And wear your mask.


Midnightpulp still runs from the basic question.

How are cases counted?

[midnightpulp]

Midnightpulp still runs from the basic question.

How are cases counted?

Through a test or doctor's diagnosis. EzeePzee

[tholdren]

Through a test or doctor's diagnosis. EzeePzee

So don't even have to have symptoms?

[tholdren]

So don't even have to have symptoms?
I see midnightpulp avoided this. Nothing new.

[tholdren]

I see midnightpulp avoided this. Nothing new.
Lololooll


Quick create a terrible scatterplot

[ElNono]

Lololooll

Quick create a terrible scatterplot

wrong

[tholdren]

wrong

Ny times did a nice piece about why lockdowns don't work. Enjoy.

[tholdren]

The average number of daily COVID-19 deaths on a weekly basis has fallen from a peak of just over 2,000 to 700 or so. That’s a roughly 65% decline. And it’s no fluke. The figure has been dropping steadily since April.

Hold on. That last number for June 23 on the chart shows a huge jump. Should we be worried? Is this the much-dreaded surge some have been talking up?

Apparently not. A big part of that one-time gain came from a revision by one state: Delaware.

As Youyang Gu, an MIT data scientist who created the COVID 19-projections.com site, tweeted: “To put the increase in deaths in context, Delaware added 69 deaths today: ‘The revision came from identifying 67 deaths dating back to April.’ So if you take out those 67 deaths, the week-over-week deaths have not changed.”

Goldman Sachs’ state-level tracker shows similar trends. The volume of coronavirus tests has risen 23% in the past two weeks, but positive results have increased just 1.3 percentage points to 6.2%. Meanwhile, deaths have fallen over the past two weeks by 12%.

This is bad news for those who, for a variety of reasons, seek to plunge us back into lockdowns and social isolation, despite the proven devastating economic impacts that would have. If COVID-19 deaths aren’t rising, and they aren’t, the rationale for shutdowns evaporates.

But the rationale in the first place could be even weaker than first thought. The reason for this is that the deaths now attributed to COVID-19 might be grossly exaggerated. The evidence is substantial, and has been obvious for weeks. (We first wrote about it in late May.)

[Winehole23]

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/coronavirus-deaths-continue-to-fall-even-as-number-of-cases-rise/

[ChumpDumper]

The average number of daily COVID-19 deaths on a weekly basis has fallen from a peak of just over 2,000 to 700 or so. That’s a roughly 65% decline. And it’s no fluke. The figure has been dropping steadily since April.

Hold on. That last number for June 23 on the chart shows a huge jump. Should we be worried? Is this the much-dreaded surge some have been talking up?

Apparently not. A big part of that one-time gain came from a revision by one state: Delaware.

As Youyang Gu, an MIT data scientist who created the COVID 19-projections.com site, tweeted: “To put the increase in deaths in context, Delaware added 69 deaths today: ‘The revision came from identifying 67 deaths dating back to April.’ So if you take out those 67 deaths, the week-over-week deaths have not changed.”

Goldman Sachs’ state-level tracker shows similar trends. The volume of coronavirus tests has risen 23% in the past two weeks, but positive results have increased just 1.3 percentage points to 6.2%. Meanwhile, deaths have fallen over the past two weeks by 12%.

This is bad news for those who, for a variety of reasons, seek to plunge us back into lockdowns and social isolation, despite the proven devastating economic impacts that would have. If COVID-19 deaths aren’t rising, and they aren’t, the rationale for shutdowns evaporates.

But the rationale in the first place could be even weaker than first thought. The reason for this is that the deaths now attributed to COVID-19 might be grossly exaggerated. The evidence is substantial, and has been obvious for weeks. (We first wrote about it in late May.)She's also upset about moving the Columbus statue out of the capitol.

[ElNono]

Ny times did a nice piece about why lockdowns don't work. Enjoy.

wrong

[RandomGuy]

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/coronavirus-deaths-continue-to-fall-even-as-number-of-cases-rise/


Meanwhile, 160,000 homeless live on California’s streets, unprotected from the virus, and they are not dying off or dropping like flies. They have health issues, most are drug addicts, and are the perfect control group for public health officials to study.

Not often you see advocacy for eugenics.

[tholdren]

The land with no face masks: Holland's top scientists say there's no solid evidence coverings work and warn they could even damage the fight against Covid-19

[tholdren]

Sweden COVID-19 Death Rate Lower Than Spain, Italy and U.K., Despite Never Having Lockdown

[ChumpDumper]

The land with no face masks: Holland's top scientists say there's no solid evidence coverings work and warn they could even damage the fight against Covid-19Daily Mail gossip.

[tholdren]

bump for success

[ChumpDumper]

bump for successWrong.

[tholdren]

Just like sweden the no lockdown states had ifr less than flu in 60 and below. More than half deaths 80 plus.....


Lockdowns have caused more destruction than covid.


Wash your hands

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math.

[tholdren]

Arizona hospitals churning out all the probable covid of the hospitals. Declining for days. This is just another example of incorrect data hyped by media and gossip heroes. Werent covid to begin with. Counted as new positives. Used for political restrictions.

Lol @ RandomGuy and midnightpulp


All.day every day

[ElNono]

Arizona hospitals churning out all the probable covid of the hospitals. Declining for days. This is just another example of incorrect data hyped by media and gossip heroes. Werent covid to begin with. Counted as new positives. Used for political restrictions.

Lol @ RandomGuy and midnightpulp

All.day every day

gossip

[tholdren]

bwahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahhahahah

El nono so wrong he's defaulted to crying me and chasing me around. Lolololoo



Jejehehjajajajajahshshhahahahahahhahahaahahahhahah ahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahah

For weeks




Jahahahahhaaha
Or should I say.... 2 more weeks. Bwahahahhahahahahaahhahahahahah

[tholdren]

Success

[tholdren]

Bill Gates on Covid: Most US Tests Are ‘Completely Garbage’
I’m surprised at the US situation because the smartest people on epidemiology in the world, by a lot, are at the CDC. I would have expected them to do better. You would expect the CDC to be the most visible, not the White House or even Anthony Fauci. But they haven’t been the face of the epidemic. They are trained to communicate and not try to panic people but get people to take things seriously


But people aren’t getting their tests back quickly enough.

Well, that’s just stupidity. The majority of all US tests are completely garbage, wasted. If you don’t care how late the date is and you reimburse at the same level, of course they’re going to take every customer. Because they are making ridiculous money, and it’s mostly rich people that are getting access to that. You have to have the reimbursement system pay a little bit extra for 24 hours, pay the normal fee for 48 hours, and pay nothing [if it isn’t done by then]. And they will fix it overnight
Well, strangely, I’m involved in almost everything that anti-science is fighting. I’m involved with climate change, GMOs, and vaccines. The irony is that it’s digital social media that allows this kind of titillating, oversimplistic explanation of,


Bill gates says sweden is a success and that there is too much gossip.


Lol ChumpDumper about to jump off a cliff

[pgardn]

Ask Sweden's neighbors about the success.
Definitely took a hit.

Its all relative. Vietnam recorded its first deaths from COVID-19 just recently.
I think how they count deaths due to the virus would suit your inability to understand how data is gathered and math.
The superior SE Asian example for you.

Maybe you need a long vacation there.

[ChumpDumper]

SuccessWrong.

[tholdren]

Ask Sweden's neighbors about the success.
Definitely took a hit.

Its all relative. Vietnam recorded its first deaths from COVID-19 just recently.
I think how they count deaths due to the virus would suit your inability to understand how data is gathered and math.
The superior SE Asian example for you.

Maybe you need a long vacation there.
LolololoIlolllolooll
Its all relative


Looolokokokikiokikikioioioioioooooookoiioiiioiioii iiooio


Bwahahahhahahahahahahahhshshahahahahahshahhshahaha hahahahahahahahshahhsshhshagahagaahahgagahahahahah ahhahshshs

[DarrinS]

Sweden got hammered, but looks good now.

[pgardn]

Sweden got hammered, but looks good now.

They still are being prohibited from entering Denmark and some EU countries, not out of the woods quite yet.

[pgardn]

LolololoIlolllolooll
Its all relative


Looolokokokikiokikikioioioioioooooookoiioiiioiioii iiooio


Bwahahahhahahahahahahahhshshahahahahahshahhshahaha hahahahahahahahshahhsshhshagahagaahahgagahahahahah ahhahshshs

Yes.
For comparison purposes it is best to use other countries in the region that are much like your population but have taken a very different method of controlling the disease. There is less variation gentically, socially, etc... Its called trying to get rid of as many variables as you can.

But you dont get science or math so the idea of better comparison studies completely escapes you.

[tholdren]

Sweden got hammered, but looks good now.
Here's sweden death by age. Over 90 percent had at least 1 comorbidity to date. This will increase.
9 years and younger1
20-29 years9
30-39 years16
40-49 years45
50-59 years160
60-69 years394
70-79 years1,236
80-90 years2,384
90 years and older1,498

Your risk from living a life to life expectancy and then getting killed in a car accident is significantly higher than dying from covid if you have a comorbidity without a lockdown.


The gossip needs to stop

[pgardn]

Here's sweden death by age. Over 90 percent had at least 1 comorbidity to date. This will increase.
9 years and younger1
20-29 years9
30-39 years16
40-49 years45
50-59 years160
60-69 years394
70-79 years1,236
80-90 years2,384
90 years and older1,498

Your risk from living a life to life expectancy and then getting killed in a car accident is significantly higher than dying from covid if you have a comorbidity without a lockdown.


The gossip needs to stop

They got smacked harder than their neighbors.
You give out complete bullshit per usual.

[tholdren]

They got smacked harder than their neighbors.
You give out complete bullshit per usual.

Those are all facts.. sorry you were wrong. Cry more

[pgardn]

Those are all facts.. sorry you were wrong. Cry more

You are misrepresenting and wrong.
You dont understand variables.
You cant do math.

[tholdren]

You are misrepresenting and wrong.
You dont understand variables.
You cant do math.

lolololololol

Prove it.

[tholdren]

Here's sweden death by age. Over 90 percent had at least 1 comorbidity to date. This will increase.
9 years and younger1
20-29 years9
30-39 years16
40-49 years45
50-59 years160
60-69 years394
70-79 years1,236
80-90 years2,384
90 years and older1,498

Your risk from living a life to life expectancy and then getting killed in a car accident is significantly higher than dying from covid if you have a comorbidity without a lockdown.


The gossip needs to stop

Pgardn pwned

[ChumpDumper]

Here's sweden death by age. Over 90 percent had at least 1 comorbidity to date. This will increase.
9 years and younger1
20-29 years9
30-39 years16
40-49 years45
50-59 years160
60-69 years394
70-79 years1,236
80-90 years2,384
90 years and older1,498

Your risk from living a life to life expectancy and then getting killed in a car accident is significantly higher than dying from covid if you have a comorbidity without a lockdown.


The gossip needs to stopNow do Norway.

Or foldren.

[pgardn]

lolololololol

Prove it.

You said Sweden did better than their neighbors.
Thats wrong.
You want to compare Sweden with countries more variability in studies involving comparison of numbers, that is wrong.

You are wrong.

[tholdren]

Now do Norway.

Or foldren.

Lololololol

You just admitted covid chance of death extremely rare. Lololololoollloll

[DarrinS]

They still are being prohibited from entering Denmark and some EU countries, not out of the woods quite yet.

Their cases and deaths are way down.

[tholdren]

You said Sweden did better than their neighbors.
Thats wrong.
You want to compare Sweden with countries more variability in studies involving comparison of numbers, that is wrong.

You are wrong.

lolololoololllllololololl you are wrong


Just look at sweden. No lock down. Extremely rare for healthy person to die.


Thanks for agreeing

[pgardn]

Their cases and deaths are way down.

Yep.

But they are still being prohibited from travel to certain countries.
So it appears they are not "clean" enough for some governments.

[pgardn]

lolololoololllllololololl you are wrong


Just look at sweden. No lock down. Extremely rare for healthy person to die.


Thanks for agreeing

They did worse than the best comparisons who did lock down.
So you are being stupid, again.

[tholdren]

Yep.

But they are still being prohibited from travel to certain countries.
So it appears they are not "clean" enough for some governments.

Has nothing to do with anything. Restrictions are subjective.

[tholdren]

They did worse than the best comparisons who did lock down.
So you are being stupid, again.

Nope all this does is prove I'm correct about ifr. Harmless to 99. percent of healthy people.

Covid was overhyped.

[pgardn]

Nope all this does is prove I'm correct about ifr. Harmless to 99. percent of healthy people.

Covid was overhyped.

you don’t even know what terms mean and more important than that

you are just plain stupid

[ChumpDumper]

Lololololol

You just admitted covid chance of death extremely rare. Lololololoolllollf:lolldren folds and hides in his bunker

[tholdren]

you don’t even know what terms mean and more important than that

you are just plain stupid

beahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaHh


Deflection again. Lolol name calling and you dont even know how cases and deaths are counted or reported.


/thread

[tholdren]

Bump for saving personal freedom

[ChumpDumper]

Bump for saving personal freedomYou wear a mask.

[tholdren]

You wear a mask.

Cdc says handwashing more important. Remember like I said and you tried to claim false. Lol you wrong about everything

[ChumpDumper]

Cdc says handwashing more important. Remember like I said and you tried to claim false. Lol you wrong about everythingYou wear a mask.

And you lie.

[tholdren]

Cdc says handwashing more important. Remember like I said and you tried to claim false. Lol you wrong about everything

ChumpDumper lololilooii8ol

Doesn't even try to address. LololoI'll he knows I'll repost his quotes

[ChumpDumper]

ChumpDumper lololilooii8ol

Doesn't even try to address. LololoI'll he knows I'll repost his quotesI did address it.

You lied.

You always lie.

Why?

[tholdren]

I did address it.

You lied.

You always lie.

Why?

Lies lies lies.

Remember when you said that people could riot and be safe from covid but not have a 4th of July parade. Lololl


That was comical

[ChumpDumper]

Remember when you said that people could riot and be safe from covid but not have a 4th of July parade.I didn't say that.

You're lying again.

Why do you lie about every single thing?

[Spurtacular]

:cry

Is this the appropriate thread?

[ChumpDumper]

Is this the appropriate thread?For talking about Sweden?

Yes.

Don't cry.

[tholdren]

Lies lies lies.

Remember when you said that people could riot and be safe from covid but not have a 4th of July parade. Lololl


That was comical

lololl ChumpDumper and RandomGuy also said Ozarks partners would be next ny... lolol

[ChumpDumper]

lololl ChumpDumper and RandomGuy also said Ozarks partners would be next ny... lololYou lie.

Why do you lie about everything?

[tholdren]

You lie.

Why do you lie about everything?

chumpdump lying lolokkoll


Then trying to deflect by lying.



Ultimate irony

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdump lying lolokkoll


Then trying to deflect by lying.



Ultimate ironyNo, I asked you a question.

Why do you lie about everything?

[tholdren]

chumpdump lying lolokkoll


Then trying to deflect by lying.



Ultimate irony

Chumpdump lied so many times hes lost his mind.


Lol 10 years of lying

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump lied so many times hes lost his mind.


Lol 10 years of lyingth:lolldren meltdown

Got right to it today, didn't you?:tu

[tholdren]

th:lolldren meltdown

Got right to it today, didn't you?:tu

manipulation of quotes by chumpdump thread 3 of 3.... sad for him. You know he's lost when he uses multiple emojis

[ChumpDumper]

manipulation of quotes by chumpdump thread 3 of 3.... sad for him. You know he's lost when he uses multiple emojisWhy do you always lie?

[Spurtacular]

For talking about Sweden?

Yes.

Don't cry.

There already was a Sweden COVID thread in place.

I guess you need your double talk. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

There already was a Sweden COVID thread in place.

I guess you need your double talk. :lmao?

[DarrinS]

7 day moving average daily deaths stubbornly stuck at 1

[ChumpDumper]

7 day moving average daily deaths stubbornly stuck at 1And?

[Spurtacular]

?

This isn't the "appropriate" Sweden thread. Do you need directions?

[ChumpDumper]

This isn't the "appropriate" Sweden thread. Do you need directions?How is this not appropriate?

[tholdren]

And?

no masks.

[ChumpDumper]

no masks.More deaths.

[DarrinS]

They pulled the bandaid off quick. We are doing it slooowly.

Then again, they aren't a country filled with unhealthy fat fucks.

[Will Hunting]

They pulled the bandaid off quick. We are doing it slooowly.

Then again, they aren't a country filled with unhealthy fat fucks.
Yep, they also had the healthcare infrastructure in place to handle a surge. If Murica had the overall good health and lifestyle of Sweden as well as Sweden’s healthcare I’d be all for doing what they did.

[Spurtacular]

How is this not appropriate?

How is the Embalmden thread not appropriate?

[ChumpDumper]

How is the Embalmden thread not appropriate?You're the only one posting in it really.

It only serves as your whore thread.

And you have two Biden whore threads.

How is this thread not appropriate?

[Spurtacular]

You're the only one posting in it really.

It only serves as your whore thread.

And you have two Biden whore threads.

How is this thread not appropriate?

I see you whoring this thread all up. There was already an established Sweden thread.
You're being very inappropriate by your own metrics.

[ChumpDumper]

I see you whoring this thread all up. There was already an established Sweden thread.
You're being very inappropriate by your own metrics.Not my thread.

[Spurtacular]

Not my thread.

There was already an established thread and you're whoring all about here.

[ChumpDumper]

There was already an established thread and you're whoring all about here.Not my thread. You made ~12 whore threads.

[Spurtacular]

Not my thread. You made ~12 whore threads.

Appropriate is obviously on your comfort terms. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Appropriate is obviously on your comfort terms. :lmaoWell, here you are posting only about me.

[tholdren]

Well, here you are posting only about me.

Chumpdump

[ChumpDumper]

ChumpdumpNow you're posting only about me.

[tholdren]

according to Caroline Buckee, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.”
”the protesters are generally young. And that means that many of them won't have symptoms, or will have symptoms
that are mild enough that they don't go to a health care facility, so then [the cases wouldn’t be recorded]. The people who are being hospitalized and dying of COVID are elderly people and those with comorbidities.


Oh no ChumpDumper

[ChumpDumper]

Oh no what?

[DMC]

according to Caroline Buckee, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.”
”the protesters are generally young. And that means that many of them won't have symptoms, or will have symptoms
that are mild enough that they don't go to a health care facility, so then [the cases wouldn’t be recorded]. The people who are being hospitalized and dying of COVID are elderly people and those with comorbidities.


Oh no ChumpDumper

They'll just give the virus to their elderly relatives. Seems like purging the gene pool in reverse.

[tholdren]

according to Caroline Buckee, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.”
”the protesters are generally young. And that means that many of them won't have symptoms, or will have symptoms
that are mild enough that they don't go to a health care facility, so then [the cases wouldn’t be recorded]. The people who are being hospitalized and dying of COVID are elderly people and those with comorbidities.


Oh no ChumpDumper

Chumpdump said rioters didn't get covid and all.people are at risk for death.... you were wrong.

I was right

[DMC]

Oh no what?

:lol Chimpdancer

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump said rioters didn't get covid and all.people are at risk for death.... you were wrong.

I was rightI said neither.

You are wrong.

[tholdren]

I said neither.

You are wrong.

Ok then who is at risk, and how much?

[ChumpDumper]

Ok then who is at risk, and how much?f:lolldren admits he lied.

[DarrinS]

Image spending hours of your days on useless online arguments. Sad

[ChumpDumper]

Image spending hours of your days on useless online arguments. Sadign:lolring me

[DarrinS]

"Dead people like, in graves? In coffins?

Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead."

[DMC]

Image spending decades of your life on useless online arguments. Sad

fify

[DMC]

ign:lolring me

Knowing that was about you :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Knowing that was about you :lolKnowing you've been salty for a week now. :lol

[DMC]

Knowing you've been salty for a week now. :lol

:lol how does it feel to have poured your life into this forum only to be thought of as a tick on the balls of real conversation?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol how does it feel to have poured your life into this forum only to be thought of as a tick on the balls of real conversation?:lol I can always tell you're really pissed off when you get this way.

Do you need some help with the whole excess deaths thing?

[DMC]

:lol I can always tell you're really pissed off when you get this way.

Do you need some help with the whole excess deaths thing?

You and RG once again need to get together before embarrassing yourselves. He makes a silly statement, I call him on it, you come in and pretend I just imagined it. Then you deny being involved in the claim.

:lol living the dream

[boutons_deux]

https://i.giphy.com/media/NUJZKPi2CpqpO/giphy.webp

[tholdren]

So new Zealand locking down again because the covid magically appeared. Lol I thought lockdowns worked.

Fail new Zealand

[RandomGuy]

You and RG once again need to get together before embarrassing yourselves. He makes a silly statement, I call him on it, you come in and pretend I just imagined it. Then you deny being involved in the claim.

:lol living the dream

Wait, did I miss you providing a definition for "excess deaths" after I asked you for one? Or did you puss out?

This I gotta see.

[tholdren]

Wait, did I miss you providing a definition for "excess deaths" after I asked you for one? Or did you puss out?

This I gotta see.

RandomGuy name calling on the internet this is new

[ChumpDumper]

Best part of foldren's day is celebrating COVID deaths.

[tholdren]

chumpdump spam posting multiple threads because he doesn't understand statistics.


Supposed worst disease of all time less dangerous to working class than flu.

Lol

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdump spam posting multiple threads because he doesn't understand statistics.


Supposed worst disease of all time less dangerous to working class than flu.

Lolth:loldren still moving his goalpost after failing to show his math out of fear.

[tholdren]

chumpdump spam posting multiple threads because he doesn't understand statistics.


Supposed worst disease of all time less dangerous to working class than flu.

Lol

Deflection above

[ChumpDumper]

Deflection aboveNope, you don't show numbers.

You don't show math.

You gossip, move your goalpost and you lie.

[tholdren]

Critics Urge Sweden to Reboot Its Virus Strategy



Loloookool

Just printed today


Bwahaahhahahahahahahahhahaha

[tholdren]

in april imhe, the model that predicted lovkdowns were needed or ships would have to be sent to the USA said swedens death rate would be almost 1500 per mil.


Let me remind you that the deaths with covid, because only a handful of folks have died from covid alone, are approx 1.8 pct of the deaths that occur worldwide.

You have a higher percentage chance of death driving your car to work (65 and younger) than you do from dying of covid.

Wash dem handz

[ElNono]

in april imhe, the model that predicted lovkdowns were needed or ships would have to be sent to the USA said swedens death rate would be almost 1500 per mil.


Let me remind you that the deaths with covid, because only a handful of folks have died from covid alone, are approx 1.8 pct of the deaths that occur worldwide.

You have a higher percentage chance of death driving your car to work (65 and younger) than you do from dying of covid.

Wash dem handz

gossip

[tholdren]

in april imhe, the model that predicted lovkdowns were needed or ships would have to be sent to the USA said swedens death rate would be almost 1500 per mil.


Let me remind you that the deaths with covid, because only a handful of folks have died from covid alone, are approx 1.8 pct of the deaths that occur worldwide.

You have a higher percentage chance of death driving your car to work (65 and younger) than you do from dying of covid.

Wash dem handz

[tholdren]

in april imhe, the model that predicted lovkdowns were needed or ships would have to be sent to the USA said swedens death rate would be almost 1500 per mil.


Let me remind you that the deaths with covid, because only a handful of folks have died from covid alone, are approx 1.8 pct of the deaths that occur worldwide.

You have a higher percentage chance of death driving your car to work (65 and younger) than you do from dying of covid.

Wash dem handz

[tholdren]

HOUSTON — New research out of the University of Texas shows that COVID-19 was spreading farther and faster than anyone knew at the start of this pandemic.

Researchers at UT just released their findings. They went back to throat swabs taken in Wuhan, China and Seattle, Washington weeks before those cities were locked down.

[tholdren]

With that many cases, researchers now believe the first case in Seattle probably arrived around Christmas and they estimate at least a third of those undisclosed cases in the U.S. were in children.

The first case of coronavirus in Washington State was not reported until January 21.

The governor started shutting down schools by early March. At that time, the state reported close to 150 cases. UT researchers now believe that number was closer to 9,000 and they believe because so many of the cases were in children, whose symptoms tend to be milder, those cases went undetected.

[tholdren]

sweden death rate less than UK.

Uh oh

[ElNono]

With the Most Deaths In 150 Years, Sweden Reveals New COVID-19 Test-and-Trace Strategy

In the first half of 2020, Sweden has recorded its highest death total in 150 years (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/19/sweden-records-highest-death-tally-in-150-years-in-first-half-of-2020). "In total, 51,405 Swedes died in the six-month period, a higher number than in any year since 1869, when 55,431 people died, partly as a result of a famine," reports The Guardian. In what may be a reaction to this failure, which makes Sweden the worst coronavirus country in Scandinavia, Sweden has announced a change to their new contact-tracing policy. The Local explains (https://www.thelocal.se/20200720/sweden-reveals-new-coronavirus-test-and-trace-strategy): "If you test positive for the coronavirus you may now be given instructions to call people with whom you have been in contact and may have infected, instead of healthcare staff doing the job for you, or it not being done at all."

In early June, Sweden switched (https://www.thelocal.se/20200612/sweden-extends-coronavirus-testing-heres-how-it-should-work) from its failed "herd immunity" strategy to a contact-tracing strategy and has since seen a strong fall in new infections (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/), though with a recent slight increase. The new contact-tracing strategy will be critical for the return of the Swedish economy with Sweden currently facing travel restrictions from Scandinavian neighbors such as Finland (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-finland-travel/sweden-indignant-as-finland-excludes-it-from-travel-curb-easing-idUSKBN23I1DP), whilst other Scandinavian and Baltic countries are already open for trade and tourism. Swedes will be hoping that the adjustment of their new coronavirus strategy will be a signpost for other countries rather than the warning of their old strategy.

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Facts taking a shit on foldren, per par...

[tholdren]

With the Most Deaths In 150 Years, Sweden Reveals New COVID-19 Test-and-Trace Strategy

In the first half of 2020, Sweden has recorded its highest death total in 150 years (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/19/sweden-records-highest-death-tally-in-150-years-in-first-half-of-2020). "In total, 51,405 Swedes died in the six-month period, a higher number than in any year since 1869, when 55,431 people died, partly as a result of a famine," reports The Guardian. In what may be a reaction to this failure, which makes Sweden the worst coronavirus country in Scandinavia, Sweden has announced a change to their new contact-tracing policy. The Local explains (https://www.thelocal.se/20200720/sweden-reveals-new-coronavirus-test-and-trace-strategy): "If you test positive for the coronavirus you may now be given instructions to call people with whom you have been in contact and may have infected, instead of healthcare staff doing the job for you, or it not being done at all."

In early June, Sweden switched (https://www.thelocal.se/20200612/sweden-extends-coronavirus-testing-heres-how-it-should-work) from its failed "herd immunity" strategy to a contact-tracing strategy and has since seen a strong fall in new infections (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/), though with a recent slight increase. The new contact-tracing strategy will be critical for the return of the Swedish economy with Sweden currently facing travel restrictions from Scandinavian neighbors such as Finland (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-finland-travel/sweden-indignant-as-finland-excludes-it-from-travel-curb-easing-idUSKBN23I1DP), whilst other Scandinavian and Baltic countries are already open for trade and tourism. Swedes will be hoping that the adjustment of their new coronavirus strategy will be a signpost for other countries rather than the warning of their old strategy.

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Facts taking a shit on foldren, per par...
Lololololololollolllolllollololololollllollollll

This post.....

[boutons_deux]

Sweden has their very own Trash, a one made Swedish guy to kill 1000s of Swedes with his bullshit

Sweden's Fauci Doubles Down Against Masks as Coronavirus Cases Rise

Anders Tegnell, the agency's chief epidemiologist (the equivalent of Dr. Anthony Fauci from the White House COVID-19 Task Force) remains skeptical about the use of masks in combating the virus.

Anders Tegnell, the agency's chief epidemiologist (the equivalent of Dr. Anthony Fauci from the White House COVID-19 Task Force) remains skeptical about the use of masks in combating the virus.

"Face masks can be a complement to other things when other things are safely in place.

But to start with having face masks and

then think you can crowd your buses or your shopping malls—

that's definitely a mistake."

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-sweden-cases-rise-1526071

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Sweden’s disease expert says just wearing face masks could be ‘very dangerous’

https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/swedens-tegnell-wearing-face-masks-may-be-very-dangerous/

Tegnell is the shitbag who initially promoted herd immunity as Sweden's pandemic strategy.

[ElNono]

Lololololololollolllolllollololololollllollollll

This post.....

:lol yep, foldren folds again

[DarrinS]

They have likely reached herd immunity. Probably, so have places like NY.

That's what their curves suggest.

[tholdren]

They have likely reached herd immunity. Probably, so have places like NY.

That's what their curves suggest.

or the virus did like the flu. Kills old people. Not a problem to 95 pct of the population.

Kind of like the data shows and has shown since March

[tholdren]

Lol new zealand

[ElNono]

lol more gossip

[tholdren]

Ny government killed more people in nursing homes than total died in sweden.

[ElNono]

Ny government killed more people in nursing homes than total died in sweden.

gossip & ding

[tholdren]

gossip & ding

Thats a fact.

Why do you always refuse science?

[tholdren]

Thats a fact.

Why do you always refuse science?

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire

[ChumpDumper]

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less direYou said there were no COVID deaths.

Pwnt.

[ElNono]

Thats a fact.

Why do you always refuse science?


That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire

You refuse science, suck at math and lie to boot. We already went through the Sweden backtrack.

You may continue gossiping.

[tholdren]

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire

Sweden total 5800...

Lol Cuomo. And he killed thousands and ruined lives with lockdowns. Didn't work

[tholdren]

You refuse science, suck at math and lie to boot. We already went through the Sweden backtrack.

You may continue gossiping.

death toll ny nursing homes 6600+
Death toll all of sweden 5800


You put the L

In El nono

[ElNono]

death toll ny nursing homes 6600+
Death toll all of sweden 5800

You put the L

In El nono

Wrong.

[tholdren]

death toll ny nursing homes 6600+
Death toll all of sweden 5800


You put the L

In El nono

el nono says these numbers are false...

Lolollol


El nono making virus political too soon. Now everyone knows its not dangerous and trump will get 4 more years. Sad

[ElNono]

el nono says these numbers are false...

Lolollol

El nono making virus political too soon. Now everyone knows its not dangerous and trump will get 4 more years. Sad

Wrong. foldren folding per par... like that time he predicted 10k deaths... Sad! :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

el nono says these numbers are false...

Lolollol


El nono making virus political too soon. Now everyone knows its not dangerous and trump will get 4 more years. Sad

How do 200,000 dead Americans mean it's not dangerous?

Show your math.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong. foldren folding per par... like that time he predicted 10k deaths... Sad! :lmao

lololololololololololol tholdren pwnt.

[tholdren]

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire

sweden 5800 total. Without a lockdown. Cuomo literally killed more people than sweden

[ElNono]

lololololololololololol tholdren pwnt.

Boomer gonna boomer... back to the reading room I saaaaaaid

[ElNono]

sweden 5800 total. Without a lockdown. Cuomo literally killed more people than sweden

gossip and ding

[tholdren]

gossip and ding

Trump won cuomo lost.

[DarrinS]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/lol you no context single link piece of shit.

[tholdren]

The second wave argument is typically based off the Spanish Flu, but there's some details there that the second wave's lethality was actually a result of many factors:





https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence

Lolololoolollllloooollll

[ElNono]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

???

[ElNono]

Trump won cuomo lost.

both won, boomer

[tholdren]

lol you no context single link piece of shit.

chumpdump bwahahshahs someday the virus isn't dangerous his calling names

[ChumpDumper]

chumpdump bwahahshahs someday the virus isn't dangerous his calling namesHow do 200,000 deaths make it not dangerous?

Show your math.

[tholdren]

both won, boomer

el nono hahahahahshshshshusushhsshhshshshshahahaahahaahHHH HhahshshhshshahahahahaahahaH


Cuomo is a murderer

[tholdren]

How do 200,000 deaths make it not dangerous?

Show your math.

bwHahahsshaashsjshshahhahahaa melllllltttttddddoooooowwwwwnnnnn


Name calling but refuses to believe cdc ifr strat

[ChumpDumper]

el nono hahahahahshshshshusushhsshhshshshshahahaahahaahHHH HhahshshhshshahahahahaahahaH


Cuomo is a murdererHow could he be a murderer if no one ever died of COVID like you said?

Show your math.

[ChumpDumper]

bwHahahsshaashsjshshahhahahaa melllllltttttddddoooooowwwwwnnnnn


Name calling but refuses to believe cdc ifr stratYou never post the cdc ifr stat.

You are not smart.

Pwnt.

[tholdren]

How could he be a murderer if no one ever died of COVID like you said?

Show your math.

nwahaHJaahaJjJjssjzjajhahahahahahaha


Chumpdump


Look at these questions



Lololololo


He's so mad


Bwahhahaahahah

[ChumpDumper]

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Chumpdump


Look at these questions



Lololololo


He's so mad


BwahhahaahahahF5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5 F5

Meltdown.

Pwnt.

[DarrinS]

???

Link didn't work?

[ChumpDumper]

Link didn't work?:lol you dishonest piece of shit.

[ElNono]

Link didn't work?

No, I already had that link. Was wondering what point were you trying to make?

[tholdren]

What are you on about week 4 of this?

Do I hear months and years?

LOL David Dook
Chumpdump still hooked and still wrong


COVID-19 not as dangerous as flu for healthy or working class

[ElNono]

and :lmao at the bunker bitch meltdown... shoulda stayed in the bunker

[tholdren]

and :lmao at the bunker bitch meltdown... shoulda stayed in the bunker

why? Its not dangerous

[DarrinS]

No, I already had that link. Was wondering what point were you trying to make?


How do you interpret their data?

[ElNono]

why? Its not dangerous

Gossip

[ElNono]

How do you interpret their data?

What data do I need to interpret? Again, not sure what point you're trying to make. Just let it out.

[tholdren]

Gossip

list all the healthy people dying.

[ElNono]

list all the healthy people dying.

Already did, you're still here lying.

[DarrinS]

What data do I need to interpret? Again, not sure what point you're trying to make. Just let it out.

It's over in Sweden.

[ElNono]

It's over in Sweden.

What's over? The pandemic? Again, just spell out the point you're trying to make.

Also, see this post, which is what got foldren upset:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285243&p=10230669&viewfull=1#post10230669

[DMC]

It's over in Sweden.

They said that about South Korea too.

[DarrinS]

They said that about South Korea too.

Cases went up in Sweden for a while, but deaths flatlined.