"Muh Sweden."

[tholdren]

:lol All I did was ask DerpMC what his argument was.

That triggered the shit out of both of you.

:rollin

No this is you trying to deflect since you can't read. Lol quick tell me what the cdc says. Bwahahhaaha

You've been using the line "how does the virus spread" and you didn't even know you were trolling yourself. Bwahabhahahah

[ChumpDumper]

No this is you trying to deflect since you can't read. Lol quick tell me what the cdc says. Bwahahhaaha

You've been using the line "how does the virus spread" and you didn't even know you were trolling yourself. Bwahabhahahah:lmao melting down again and trying to change the subject to the question that made you meltdown several days in a row.

[tholdren]

:lmao melting down again and trying to change the subject to the question that made you meltdown several days in a row.

that isn't changing the subject. Its just pointing out the cdc release of their new science. You know basically disproved your Kansas flu theories, lockdowns, and fatality stance. But you couldn't understand any of it. Which again is the irony of the question.

Oh wetmarket boy.

[ChumpDumper]

that isn't changing the subject.Of course it is.

:lol your meltdown

[tholdren]

that isn't changing the subject. Its just pointing out the cdc release of their new science. You know basically disproved your Kansas flu theories, lockdowns, and fatality stance. But you couldn't understand any of it. Which again is the irony of the question.

Oh wetmarket boy.

You forgot 7/8 of the post. Typical. Must be lonely.

[ChumpDumper]

You forgot 7/8 of the post. Typical. Must be lonely.The rest of it is the subject you wanted to change to.

:lol your meltdown

[tholdren]

The rest of it is the subject you wanted to change it to.

:lol your meltdown

No the rest is just pointing out you keep trollingnyourself because you can't read the report. You dont understand the data or.the terminology, so you don't understand why you are making fun of yourself by asking, and ironically always were. Which again is why I bait you into response time after time after time.

Also irony.... because you are wrong almost every time you try to explain anything about the virus. You also asked for help reading the graph which was also hilarious. I

[pgardn]

No the rest is just pointing out you keep trollingnyourself because you can't read the report. You dont understand the data or.the terminology, so you don't understand why you are making fun of yourself by asking, and ironically always were. Which again is why I bait you into response time after time after time.

Also irony.... because you are wrong almost every time you try to explain anything about the virus. You also asked for help reading the graph which was also hilarious. I

^

this is really funny

you really have no shame in your ignorance.

[ChumpDumper]

No the rest is just pointing out you keep trollingnyourself because you can't read the report. You dont understand the data or.the terminology, so you don't understand why you are making fun of yourself by asking, and ironically always were. Which again is why I bait you into response time after time after time.

Also irony.... because you are wrong almost every time you try to explain anything about the virus. You also asked for help reading the graph which was also hilarious. INah, I simply asked you how, according to you, the virus spread. The closet you got to saying anything was deferring to the CDC just like I did.

Which is lol.

[Spurtacular]

Nah, I simply asked you how, according to you, the virus spread. The closet you got to saying anything was deferring to the CDC just like I did.

Which is lol.

What are you on about week 4 of this?

Do I hear months and years?

LOL David Dook

[tholdren]

More science for ChumpDumper. Warning this has graphs, you may need someone to translate
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/05/09/alistair-haimes-the-virus-that-turned-up-late/

[DMC]

You forgot 7/8 of the post. Typical. Must be lonely.

Chumpy's M.O. is to cherry pick parts of your post to attack and ignore context. Otherwise he cannot rapid respond and is required to consider a point other than his own.

[DMC]

^

this is really funny

you really have no shame in your ignorance.
You should worry about cleaning up your own drivel there autistic boy, lest someone from the scientific community swing by and giggle.

[DMC]

I don't need to define it. I haven't called anything a complete failure regarding the death toll or actions implemented. If you're going to give statements like that, you need to define the terms.

For example, is 1 death a failure? Is 100 deaths a failure? Is 1000 deaths a failure? is 10000 deaths a failure?

If the goal is as RG described, then quantify it so you know if you achieved the goal. Quality assessments based on political opinions doesn't do anything to address goals. The fact that you're struggling so much to define the term you use so often and to quantify the goal tells me you don't really have a goal and you don't really have a target, you just have a politically biased opinion that changes with the color of the party in power.


:lol All I did was ask DerpMC what his argument was.

That triggered the shit out of both of you.

:rollin
I showed you the argument that you weren't even part of - that you decided to jump in on. 5 minute rule is in effect.

[tholdren]

Nah, I simply asked you how, according to you, the virus spread. The closet you got to saying anything was deferring to the CDC just like I did.

Which is lol.
You're too stupid to even understand the correlation between cdc all death curve and testing adjusted new case curve.

But I e been telling you that since March. You've looked stupid for almost 8 weeks now. But but but science. You and baseline bum bwahahaha

[pgardn]

You should worry about cleaning up your own drivel there autistic boy, lest someone from the scientific community swing by and giggle.

“They” would do no such thing.
and just because I tore apart your psychology today article.
” Oh, but it’s on the Internets, it’s gotta to be right”

which led to your spanking on nature versus nurture.

I do like your fantasies of me getting kicked off of science sites to come here and whip up on your ignorance. I actually came here for basketball. and I would not dare go on sites where people know what they are talking about and make outrageous claims like this site.

keep defending theoldren so we can keep punching you in the face because you have decided to defend an idiot. Good red team strategy.

[DMC]

“They” would do no such thing.
and just because I tore apart your psychology today article.
” Oh, but it’s on the Internets, it’s gotta to be right”

which led to your spanking on nature versus nurture.

You keep bringing that up like you did something and I've ignored your rambling, but you did no such thing. Grading your own paper is cute. Oh look, I got a perfect score!

I'm a professional while you're a talking on the internet. I don't do Google fights.

[pgardn]

More science for ChumpDumper. Warning this has graphs, you may need someone to translate
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/05/09/alistair-haimes-the-virus-that-turned-up-late/

and you are aware of the horribly disingenuous graphs and that are being put up by numerous people with numerous motives. change the scaling of the XY axis, label one axis with a quantity that doesn’t even make sense.... have you not seen this yet?

[pgardn]

You keep bringing that up like you did something and I've ignored your rambling, but you did no such thing. Grading your own paper is cute. Oh look, I got a perfect score!

I'm a professional while you're a talking on the internet. I don't do Google fights.

of course you don’t remember now because you were all over the place and hate to admit you were wrong. but at the time you knew you were dead wrong.

you butted intoshield, you take your medicine old man

[tholdren]

and you are aware of the horribly disingenuous graphs and that are being put up by numerous people with numerous motives. change the scaling of the XY axis, label one axis with a quantity that doesn’t even make sense.... have you not seen this yet?

Lol you are in denial cause you thought you knew science. You dont. But keep trying to explain. You followed cdc graphs that had no x or y axos labeled and just said this is what will happen if we lock down.

Quick talk more about science. Dolt.

[pgardn]

Lol you are in denial cause you thought you knew science. You dont. But keep trying to explain. You followed cdc graphs that had no x or y axos labeled and just said this is what will happen if we lock down.

Quick talk more about science. Dolt.

You dont know what I did.
Show me where I posted a graph.

You cant keep up with the people you bug.
And you dont know understand viruses, its painfully obvious.

[DMC]

You dont know what I did.
Show me where I posted a graph.

You cant keep up with the people you bug.
And you dont know understand viruses, its painfully obvious.

Popular tactic for the left here: Interject then use "not me" when called out even though you're defending the argument. Seeking reward without risk.

[DMC]

of course you don’t remember now because you were all over the place and hate to admit you were wrong. but at the time you knew you were dead wrong.

you butted intoshield, you take your medicine old man

According to you, someone I already illustrated as being mentally unstable with an agenda of scientific self promotion.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy's M.O. is to cherry pick parts of your post to attack and ignore context. Otherwise he cannot rapid respond and is required to consider a point other than his own.:lmao you forgot what your context was so you declared victory and skulked away.

[ChumpDumper]

Popular tactic for the left here: Interject then use "not me" when called out even though you're defending the argument. Seeking reward without risk.You declare victory while sitting on the fence.

[DMC]

<((((((((><

[pgardn]

Popular tactic for the left here: Interject then use "not me" when called out even though you're defending the argument. Seeking reward without risk.

Im not defending anything here.
Im saying a poster does not know what he is claims to know.
So when you make disingenuous conclusions about what I am doing you get it wrong.
Keep going old man.

[pgardn]

According to you, someone I already illustrated as being mentally unstable with an agenda of scientific self promotion.

But you dont keep up with my ramblings because they make you look bad.
You dont keep up but you do respond.

Keep going old man.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC gets angry when he's called out on his bullshit. Never has takes of his own on any actual issue. He's desperate to make things personal.

[pgardn]

:lol DMC gets angry when he's called out on his bullshit. Never has takes of his own on any actual issue. He's desperate to make things personal.

And the thing is the majority of people who post on this site regularly have been wrong or misinterpreted something before.
"My bad, I misread or was flat out wrong"
People cant type this.
One has to wonder if the Orange God has influenced this "never wrong" adherence.

[ChumpDumper]

And the thing is the majority of people who post on this site regularly have been wrong or misinterpreted something before.
"My bad, I misread or was flat out wrong"
People cant type this.
One has to wonder if the Orange God has influenced this "never wrong" adherence.It's pretty much all Trump supporters who do this.

They also can't admit they're Trump supporters because that may mean being wrong about something somewhere.:lol

[tholdren]

And the thing is the majority of people who post on this site regularly have been wrong or misinterpreted something before.
"My bad, I misread or was flat out wrong"
People cant type this.
One has to wonder if the Orange God has influenced this "never wrong" adherence.

Just waiting for you to admit you were wrong about the virus and the lockdowns and being able to use science

[ChumpDumper]

Just waiting for you to admit you were wrong about the virus and the lockdowns and being able to use scienceJust waiting for you to show the number of hospitalizations and deaths science gives for no lockdowns at all.

[DMC]

Popular tactic for the left here: Interject then use "not me" when called out even though you're defending the argument. Seeking reward without risk.


Im not defending anything here.
Im saying a poster does not know what he is claims to know.
So when you make disingenuous conclusions about what I am doing you get it wrong.
Keep going old man.

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mau_Carmona/status/1264264333162356738

[DMC]

Just waiting for you to show the number of hospitalizations and deaths science gives for no lockdowns at all.

So you think acts should be taken because of lack of evidence they don't work?

[ChumpDumper]

So you think acts should be taken because of lack of evidence they don't work?When did I say that?

I asked for numbers. Calm down. :lol your narratives.

[DMC]

:lol DMC gets angry when he's called out on his bullshit. Never has takes of his own on any actual issue. He's desperate to make things personal.

:lol another who can never be wrong while debating you, eh? Oh the huge manatee!

[DMC]

When did I say that?

I asked for numbers. Calm down. :lol your narratives.

You'll never lay claim to a narrative but it's obvious you have one started already. I just shot it down. Now you're denying it like a bastard child.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol anther who can never be wrong while debating you, eh? Oh the huge manatee!:lol you don't debate anything.

[DMC]

:lol you don't debate anything.

Not with you, since you never provide a rebuttal, just more questions and narrative shifts.

[ChumpDumper]

You'll never lay claim to a narrative but it's obvious you have one started already. I just shot it down. Now you're denying it like a bastard child.I'm asking you when I said I think acts should be taken because of lack of evidence they don't work.

I'd like a link to the quote.

[ChumpDumper]

Not with you, since you never provide a rebuttal, just more questions and narrative shifts.You never even enter a debate. All you do is throw shit from your perch on the fence and try to make it personal.

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren's position is the no lockdown was necessary in the entire US. I'm under the impression that no lockdowns at all would've led to more deaths so I wanted to know what the numbers would have been with no lockdowns. I can't give an exact marker, but say the number of deaths was ten more than they currently are; I would agree that is evidence the lockdowns were not necessary.

Ideally, numbers would be calculated for each state that locked down.

If such numbers are not available, I'd like for him to say they are not available.

Somehow asking for information is a personal attack to people like tholdren and DMC.

Sorry.

[tholdren]

Just waiting for you to show the number of hospitalizations and deaths science gives for no lockdowns at all.

I already gave it your just too dumb to understand the cdc release and the icfr graph... here's the really stupid part... you keep asking for any data. Bwahahahhaa

[DMC]

*autistic screeching and incessant whining*

Ok Bill Nigh, the Science Lie

[DMC]

I already gave it your just too dumb to understand the cdc release and the icfr graph... here's the really stupid part... you keep asking for any data. Bwahahahhaa

Same when he asked for my argument, I gave it in the next post and he went on all night and into the next day asking for it.

Dude is on a 17 year full tilt gig.

[ChumpDumper]

Same when he asked for my argument, I gave it in the next post Really?

There have been a lot of posts since then. I'll ask for a link again.

[ChumpDumper]

I already gave it your just too dumb to understand the cdc release and the icfr graph... here's the really stupid part... you keep asking for any data. BwahahahhaaWalk me through it because I didn't see the numbers I asked for.

[tholdren]

Walk me through it because I didn't see the numbers I asked for.

Lol because you don't understand how to read.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol because you don't understand how to read.OK, if it's that easy for you just post those numbers.

[pgardn]

Just waiting for you to admit you were wrong about the virus and the lockdowns and being able to use science

What did I say about the virus that was wrong?
Post it and I'll correct it after I get done exercising.
What did I say about science that was wrong?
Post it and I'll correct it after I get done exercising.
What did I say about lockdowns that was wrong?
Post it and I'll correct it after I get done exercising

[pgardn]

Ok Bill Nigh, the Science Lie

How low they must sink...

When they take up for idiots.
Keep going old man, join that gig.

[koriwhat]

Progressives love to talk about the science as they parade around boys who think they're girls and girls who think they're boys. Lmfao

[DMC]

Lol because you don't understand how to read.
Chumpy likes to pretend he can order you to produce numbers but if you did he'd move goalposts to another aspect of your comment, usually by leaving out most of what you responded with and only quoting a half a sentence. Lonely troll doing lonely troll things. Pitiful actually, to be stuck in that life.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy likes to pretend he can order you to produce numbers but if you did he'd move goalposts to another aspect of your comment, usually by leaving out most of what you responded with and only quoting a half a sentence. Lonely troll doing lonely troll things. Pitiful actually, to be stuck in that life.I just asked. You guys put so much unnecessary and personal shit in your post I edit them. Would you prefer I just bold the relevant parts from the posts you apparently need quoted in full for some reason?

[pgardn]

Progressives love to talk about the science as they parade around boys who think they're girls and girls who think they're boys. Lmfao

K

Conservatives love to talk about science as they parade around playing with little girls while at beauty contests.

Makes about as much sense...

[koriwhat]

K

Conservatives love to talk about science as they parade around playing with little girls while at beauty contests.

Makes about as much sense...

Lmao as if you really know what's what with trump and those pagents. You and the rest here aren't even close to being in trump's circle so why pretend like you got the inside scoop? Lmao!

As well, you want to talk about groping and playing with little girls then look no further than biden. Shit, look no further than the dnc, wiener, et al. :tu

Need some YT vids to prove Biden's groping of children? How about wiener's indictment?

[koriwhat]

Btw PG you couldn't refute what I said originally about science and the faux reality of progressives so like all progressives your TDS kicked in! :tu

[pgardn]

Lmao as if you really know what's what with trump and those pagents. You and the rest here aren't even close to being in trump's circle so why pretend like you got the inside scoop? Lmao!

As well, you want to talk about groping and playing with little girls then look no further than biden. Shit, look no further than the dnc, wiener, et al. :tu

Need some YT vids to prove Biden's groping of children? How about wiener's indictment?

Wieners a perv. Biden is still not off the hook and NEITHER IS Trump.
How in the world could anyone accuse a man of playing with girls... I mean he just buys his whores?
And just for you

lmao!
... which Im really not, but it seems a requisite.

[koriwhat]

Chumpy likes to pretend he can order you to produce numbers but if you did he'd move goalposts to another aspect of your comment, usually by leaving out most of what you responded with and only quoting a half a sentence. Lonely troll doing lonely troll things. Pitiful actually, to be stuck in that life.

Those that try to talk shit to us here are exactly like CumDumpster and exactly what I keep calling them; they're weak spineless males.

[ChumpDumper]

Those that try to talk shit to us here are exactly like CumDumpster and exactly what I keep calling them; they're weak spineless males.You bravely have me on ignore because you're soooo strong.

[pgardn]

Those that try to talk shit to us here are exactly like CumDumpster and exactly what I keep calling them; they're weak spineless males.

How do you behave that makes you a strong, vertebral male?
What characteristics do you have that make you an ultimate alpha and a Old Spice man?

[koriwhat]

CumDumpster your POV is worthless to me and thus I haven't peeked at any of your lame attempts to get my attention in what seems to be almost a year now. Keep trying you weak spineless pos! :tu

[ChumpDumper]

CumDumpster your POV is worthless to me and thus I haven't peeked at any of your lame attempts to get my attention in what seems to be almost a year now. Keep trying you weak spineless pos! :tuI'm not trying. I know I can trigger you any time I quote you so I do it occasionally. You post about me all the time so lol.:lol

[koriwhat]

How do you behave that makes you a strong, vertebral male?
What characteristics do you have that make you an ultimate alpha and a Old Spice man?

Lmao idgaf to prove what a real man is. You either are or you aren't. It's very easy to tell who's spineless and who isn't.

Here's one small example... all those who peddled russiagate here and still do aren't men!

[pgardn]

Lmao idgaf to prove what a real man is. You either are or you aren't. It's very easy to tell who's spineless and who isn't.

Here's one small example... all those who peddled russiagate here and still do aren't men!

Here's one huge example:

Taking care of your kid(s).
So this is easy to tell? You just feel it or what?

[koriwhat]

Here's one huge example:

Taking care of your kid(s).
So this is easy to tell? You just feel it or what?

You're still stuck on the blaKKKe bs huh?

If that's the example you want to prop up then by all means go for it. I know plenty of people with fathers who took care of their kids but weren't really in their lives. Either way, blaKKKe thinks he's witty and likes to talk out of his ass like the others here. That's why he's no man and the others too.

Truth over facts!

[DMC]

What did I say about the virus, science and lockdowns that was wrong?
Post it and I'll correct it after I get done exercising

Parsimony.

Scientist my ass :lol

[DMC]

Here's one huge example:

Taking care of your kid(s).
So this is easy to tell? You just feel it or what?

So women can't take care of kids?

[tholdren]

K

Conservatives love to talk about science as they parade around playing with little girls while at beauty contests.

Makes about as much sense...

Lol muh japan.....oh no.

[pgardn]

Parsimony.

Scientist my ass :lol

Evaluator of Science PHD talent for Universities?
This is what you claimed and then how stupid the applicants were.

And you write for Time magazine?

Yes I do science, that's it, that's all.
And now you stepped in a big hole and cry for help.

[pgardn]

You're still stuck on the blaKKKe bs huh?

If that's the example you want to prop up then by all means go for it. I know plenty of people with fathers who took care of their kids but weren't really in their lives. Either way, blaKKKe thinks he's witty and likes to talk out of his ass like the others here. That's why he's no man and the others too.

Truth over facts!

So this is what you automatically default to.
Blake?

How about the family unit, mom and dad raising and caring for children TOGETHER?
I think this is a major problem financially and socially. Males seem to think it's okay to squirt and bail.
This is a problem.

But you default to ground level hate on this board. Look at what has happened when the parents are stuck together, during this crisis, family violence goes way up. Does this not say something about the basic way males and females interact? Something is askew. Then you got wannabe alpha male Spurter basically denying himself a female partner, intel boy. Wtf is going on?

[pgardn]

So women can't take care of kids?

So you imply this situation is better without a dad who wants to raise healthy, happy kids?
I don't think a female alone is ideal, no way.

[pgardn]

Parsimony.

Scientist my ass :lol

I put up this article a day back.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/science/coronavirus-mutations.html

I have fallen off working with nucleic acid work and techniques so I found the above quite helpful but I still have some questions. Maybe you and I could discuss it together on a separate thread and you could help me out and I'm sure you have questions as well? It's written for the laymen which I would sort of qualify for in this area. And you having to evaluate phds, well my, I'm sure you are keeping up?

Ready to discuss? There are lots of diagrams for us.

[tholdren]

So you imply this situation is better without a dad who wants to raise healthy, happy kids?
I don't think a female alone is ideal, no way.

Lol

Title & authors Abstract Conflict of interest statement Figures Similar articles References LinkOut - more resources

A Study on Infectivity of Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Carriers

Ming Gao et al. Respir Med. 2020.

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Abstract

Background: An ongoing outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has spread around the world. It is debatable whether asymptomatic COVID-19 virus carriers are contagious. We report here a case of the asymptomatic patient and present clinical characteristics of 455 contacts, which aims to study the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers.

Material and methods: 455 contacts who were exposed to the asymptomatic COVID-19 virus carrier became the subjects of our research. They were divided into three groups: 35 patients, 196 family members and 224 hospital staffs. We extracted their epidemiological information, clinical records, auxiliary examination results and therapeutic schedules.

Results: The median contact time for patients was four days and that for family members was five days. Cardiovascular disease accounted for 25% among original diseases of patients. Apart from hospital staffs, both patients and family members were isolated medically. During the quarantine, seven patients plus one family member appeared new respiratory symptoms, where fever was the most common one. The blood counts in most contacts were within a normal range. All CT images showed no sign of COVID-19 infection. No severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections was detected in 455 contacts by nucleic acid test.

Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.

Keywords: Asymptomatic carrier; CDC, Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention; CHD, congenital heart disease; COVID-19, Coronavirus disease 2019; CT, computed tomography; Contacts; ED, emergency department; EDOU, emergency

[tholdren]

Lockdowns are science. It was done in 1918!

[pgardn]

Lockdowns are science. It was done in 1918!

Lockdowns are not science, they are responses to science.
Science is a process of attempting to know and I know you, are an idiot.

[tholdren]

Lockdowns are not science, they are responses to science.
Science is a process of attempting to know and I know you, are an idiot.
Bwahahaahah whIle society lockdowns weren't even necessary, nor are they a scientific response. Bwahahahahha

[pgardn]

Bwahahaahah whIle society lockdowns weren't even necessary, nor are they a scientific response. Bwahahahahha

Yeah and its all perfectly variable free.
I mean its like you think ever situation in every country, county and city are perfectly the same.
You, are an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahaahah whIle society lockdowns weren't even necessary, nor are they a scientific response. BwahahahahhaWhat does your science say the US death toll would be at this point without lockdowns?

Post the number and the link to your science source, please.

I imagine you'll just try to change the subject.

[tholdren]

What does your science say the US death toll would be at this point without lockdowns?

Post the number and the link, please.

You said ny would need.... SHIPS.... bwahahahhaha

[ChumpDumper]

I imagine you'll just try to change the subject.

You said ny would need.... SHIPS.... bwahahahhahalol you lose by lying again

What does your science say the US death toll would be at this point without lockdowns?

Post the number and the link, please.

Now try another deflection.

[tholdren]

lol you lose by lying again

What does your science say the US death toll would be at this point without lockdowns?

Post the number and the link, please.

Now try another deflection.

Lol you said that all hospitals would be overwhelmed. And you said that was science? What happened to the science you were using? What about the science that sweden used?


Bwahahahha you can't read published journals and asked me for a lesson. Hysterical Mr. Kansas

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you said that all hospitals would be overwhelmed. And you said that was science? What happened to the science you were using? What about the science that sweden used?If we had the same deaths per capita as Sweden there would be 131,000 Americans dead today. Is that what you want?

Yes or no.

[tholdren]

If we had the same deaths per capita as Sweden there would be 131,000 Americans dead today. Is that what you want?

Yes or no.

lol how about that exponential growth and how sweden and Japan and others still have human beings left.

Using per capita death as evidence. Hysterical.

[ChumpDumper]

lol how about that exponential growth and how sweden and Japan and others still have human beings left.They have restrictions just like any other country.


Using per capita death as evidence. Hysterical.I didn't use it as evidence. I used it in a hypothetical that you are afraid to answer.

Just say you wold be OK with more deaths. Be honest.

[tholdren]

They have restrictions just like any other country.

I didn't use it as evidence. I used it in a hypothetical that you are afraid to answer.

Just say you wold be OK with more deaths. Be honest.
Goal post moved. Lockdown = restrictions... bwahhahahahhahahaha

[ChumpDumper]

Goal post moved. Lockdown = restrictions... bwahhahahahhahahahaI think lockdowns would not have been as necessary if other restrictions had been put in place earlier.

The way other countries did it.

Timing matters.

Pretty simple.

[DMC]

I think lockdowns would not have been as necessary if other restrictions had been put in place earlier.

The way other countries did it.

Timing matters.

Pretty simple.

:lmao

King of the goalpost move. Never admits to being wrong

:cry "but it's the other person, not me"

[tholdren]

I think lockdowns would not have been as necessary if other restrictions had been put in place earlier.

The way other countries did it.

Timing matters.

Pretty simple.

bwahahahahhahahah. Timing doesn't matter. Lockdowns are unnecessary. Or can you still not read the cdc reports or graphs i posted?

Lol the way other countries did it. Jesus. You were wrong about every aspect of this because you are either too dumb to read or too emotional about politics. Either way it still makes you wrong wrong wrong.

And the way you are talking sounds like trump told you and you agree. The disease can't be worse than the cure. Which there is no cure

[DMC]

Evaluator of Science PHD talent for Universities?
This is what you claimed and then how stupid the applicants were.

And you write for Time magazine?

Yes I do science, that's it, that's all.
And now you stepped in a big hole and cry for help.

Just because I hung my foot in your ass doesn't mean I stepped into a big hole.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

King of the goalpost move. Never admits to being wrong

:cry "but it's the other person, not me"What are you saying I'm wrong about, derp?

[ChumpDumper]

bwahahahahhahahah. Timing doesn't matter.Sure it does.

[tholdren]

What are you saying I'm wrong about, derp?

Lockdowns, wetmarkets, seasonal viruses, fatality rate, transmissibility rate, demographic at risk, Kansas, ny response, Japan, China,

Thats enough for now. Your 0 for life at this virus prediction.

[tholdren]

Sure it does.

Bwahahahahhahajajajajajajajajajajjaja not for lockdowns

Oh my goodness. You are really a flat earthen.

[DMC]

What are you saying I'm wrong about, derp?

If you weren't wrong you wouldn't need to inch your way into another narrative by moving the goal posts.

I'm not going to give you the exit lane you so desire. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahahahhahajajajajajajajajajajjaja not for lockdowns I was talking about the other measures before lockdowns, but sure-- timing matters for lockdowns too.

[ChumpDumper]

If you weren't wrong you wouldn't need to inch your way into another narrative by moving the goal posts.

I'm not going to give you the exit lane you so desire. :lol:lol you don't even know what you're trying to argue.

Again.

lol you've gone full derp

[tholdren]

If you weren't wrong you wouldn't need to inch your way into another narrative by moving the goal posts.

I'm not going to give you the exit lane you so desire. :lol
Shamefully he's edged his way out. Karen back to correcting grammar and asking questions with a question. Daily entertainment

[tholdren]

I was talking about the other measures before lockdowns, but sure-- timing matters for lockdowns too.
Hahahhahahahhahahahajajajajajjajajahahaja

Oh Karen. Please go on

[ChumpDumper]

Shamefully he's edged his way out. Karen back to correcting grammar and asking questions with a question. Daily entertainmentShamefully you lied and changed the subject and tried to say February was a few weeks ago. Daily entertainment.

[ChumpDumper]

Hahahhahahahhahahahajajajajajjajajahahaja

Oh Karen. Please go onlol meltdown

[tholdren]

lol meltdown

Oh you mean you aren't going to give all that science and evidence to when whole countries need to be locked down? O was interested to learn about those things that haven't existed before right now.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh you mean you aren't going to give all that science and evidence to when whole countries need to be locked down? O was interested to learn about those things that haven't existed before right now.:lol you avoided every question directed at you about your science and now you're getting all pissy because you think timing isn't a factor in slowing the spread of a virus. Daily entertainment.

[DMC]

Shamefully he's edged his way out. Karen back to correcting grammar and asking questions with a question. Daily entertainment

Needs to keep going so he just fortnight builds new tangents with whataboutism and diversions. Sad life, worse than Covid I think. Certainly see though why he wants a lockdown, he's been that way for years.

[ChumpDumper]

Needs to keep going so he just fortnight builds new tangents with whataboutism and diversions. Sad life, worse than Covid I think. Certainly see though why he wants a lockdown, he's been that way for years.
:lol you forgot what you were pretending to argue so you just fortnight build new tangents with whataboutism, diversions and personal attacks. You say people have sad lives but you spend your time trying to impress them and collect information about them.

[DMC]

^Bot response, uses words I used and just hits the quote button. Nonsensical reply. Can't think for itself.

[ChumpDumper]

^Bot response, uses words I used and just hits the quote button. Nonsensical reply. Can't think for itself.What part did you not understand?

[tholdren]

:lol you avoided every question directed at you about your science and now you're getting all pissy because you think timing isn't a factor in slowing the spread of a virus. Daily entertainment.

No, I said that there was not a timing issue for lockdowns, then you changed the goal post to timing to change the spread of a virus.... see what you did there.

But again, show me this evidence for lockdown, ot are you going to show the models that started this whole thing? Or your models for ny? Or your models for hispital capacity....? Or for any of the rates associated with covid.


I'll continue to wait but I'm going to start the popcorn first.

*WARNING* you have been wrong about everything continuing down this road after given evidence to balance your gossip will not end well. You are on the enemy list.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I said that there was not a timing issue for lockdowns, then you changed the goal post to timing to change the spread of a virus.... see what you did there.I said there is.


But again, show me this evidence for lockdown, ot are you going to show the models that started this whole thing? Or your models for ny? Or your models for hispital capacity....? Or for any of the rates associated with covid.


I'll continue to wait but I'm going to start the popcorn first.

*WARNING* you have been wrong about everything continuing down this road after given evidence to balance your gossip will not end well. You are on the enemy list.Sorry, I've been waiting for your science and numbers for weeks. All I get is gossip and subject changes.

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

I know you have an enemies list and you get really flustered and emotional when asked for simple things like I asked for above, but just calm down and give it a try.

[tholdren]

I said there is.

Sorry, I've been waiting for your science and numbers for weeks. All I get is gossip and subject changes.

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

I know you have an enemies list and you get really flustered and emotional when asked for simple things like I asked for above, but just calm down and give it a try.

Get this book, it's called semantics of science. Then read it. Its better than Googling out of context hogwash

[ChumpDumper]

Get this book, it's called semantics of science. Then read it. Its better than Googling out of context hogwashI'm not asking for a book recommendation.

I am asking you this:

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

If you can't do this, just say so. It's really OK if you can't. I don't think I'm asking too much of you.

[tholdren]

I'm not asking for a book recommendation.

I am asking you this:

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

If you can't do this, just say so. It's really OK if you can't. I don't think I'm asking too much of you.

I find it odd that you claim to be in favor of science, yet you've made some completely wrong claims without even doing research. That's weird. Oh yeah because you're not using science you using typical karen gossip

[ChumpDumper]

.You keep changing the subject to me.

I am asking you this about your claims and what you claim is science:

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

Just calm down and answer. It should be really easy for you.

[pgardn]

Just because I hung my foot in your ass doesn't mean I stepped into a big hole.

You have embarrassed yourself.
you don’t know when to stop PhD recruiter.

You really think anyone believes this?

[apalisoc_9]

:lol you forgot what you were pretending to argue so you just fortnight build new tangents with whataboutism, diversions and personal attacks. You say people have sad lives but you spend your time trying to impress them and collect information about them.

He's obese.

[apalisoc_9]

You have embarrassed yourself.
you don’t know when to stop PhD recruiter.

You really think anyone believes this?

Obese retard...That is DMC for you.

[ChumpDumper]

He's obese.And really sensitive about it.

[tholdren]

You keep changing the subject to me.

I am asking you this about your claims and what you claim is science:

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

Just calm down and answer. It should be really easy for you.

Lol lockdown science..... can't read nor do you understand data. Wrong again

[ChumpDumper]

Lol lockdown science..... can't read nor do you understand data. Wrong againYou keep shitting yourself.

I am asking you this about your claims and what you claim is science:

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

Just calm down and answer. It should be really easy for you.

Show me how right you are about everything and post your science number.

[tholdren]

You keep shitting yourself.

I am asking you this about your claims and what you claim is science:

Please post your science based numbers saying what the number of deaths would be today without any lockdowns whatsoever in the United States. Your claim is they were not necessary so support your claim with science.

Just calm down and answer. It should be really easy for you.

Show me how right you are about everything and post your science number.
That's a lot of words for a person who has never been correct on anything he's said about the virus. Probably because you can't read the science that comes out. You still get your science from Twitter? Lol mr kansas

[ChumpDumper]

That's a lot of words for a person who has never been correct on anything he's said about the virus. Probably because you can't read the science that comes out. You still get your science from Twitter? Lol mr kansasI asked you for a number.

You shit yourself.

That's pretty much it.

lol you

[tholdren]

I asked you for a number.

You shit yourself.

That's pretty much it.
Tell me more about Wetmarkets. I recall you saying those were only in China... . Bwahahhaaha

[ChumpDumper]

Tell me more about Wetmarkets. I recall you saying those were only in China... . BwahahhaahaThe wet markets where the virus were transmitted were in China.

You're shitting yourself.

You have no numbers.

You never had any numbers.

lol you

[tholdren]

The wet markets where the virus were transmitted were in China.

You're shitting yourself.

You have no numbers.

You never had any numbers.

lol you

Oh no thats not what you said

[ChumpDumper]

Oh no thats not what you saidI said wet markets are in China and we have no control over the wet markets in China. I never said they were only in China and nowhere else in the world.

You have no number.

You never had any number.

You can't admit you have no number.

You will try to change the subject again.

[tholdren]

I said wet markets are in China and we have no control over the wet markets in China. I never said they were only in China and nowhere else in the world.

You have no number.

You never had any number.

You can't admit you have no number.

You will try to change the subject again.
No you said that there were only wet markets in China. Then I corrected you, like always, and then you quickly blabbering some out of context hoopla to try and move the goalposts like now

[ChumpDumper]

No you said that there were only wet markets in China.I believe the sentence was "Wet markets are in China."

The word "only" wasn't there.

So that's done. You'll have change the subject to something else to cover up your failure.

[tholdren]

I believe the sentence was "Wet markets are in China."

The word "only" wasn't there.

So that's done. You'll have change the subject to something else to cover up your failure.
Sad. You arguing on an internet msg board and being wrong every time.

[ChumpDumper]

Sad. You arguing on an internet msg board and being wrong every time.Since you agree you failed-- what is wrong with that sentence?

[FrostKing]

Covid19

Put it on the growing list. Eastern Europe handled it better.

[tholdren]

Wonder why it matters if cdc mixes test results? Chumpdeumper going on months of not understanding basic math or science. But keep the gossip going k
Karen kansas. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

[Still no numbers. Trying to change the subject]Another day, another meltdown from you.

[tholdren]

Another day, another meltdown from you.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/japan-ends-its-covid-19-state-emergency?utm_campaign=news_daily_2020-05-26&et_rid=687438071&et_cid=3340566

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/japan-ends-its-covid-19-state-emergency?utm_campaign=news_daily_2020-05-26&et_rid=687438071&et_cid=3340566

And? Use your science words. They took it more seriously than you did.

[tholdren]

And? Use your science words. They took it more seriously than you did.

no they didn't. Just wait two weeks. Isn't that what you said about Florida Georgia and colorado... nothing about Minnesota... lol you and your rate.

[ChumpDumper]

no they didn't.Yep. They scienced better than you. You can't even figure out a number. You'd better try to change the subject because they just shat on you.

[tholdren]

Yep. They scienced better than you. You can't even figure out a number. You'd better try to change the subject because they just shat on you.
There is no number. The cdc has manipulated the data. Pretty much the whole point of why lockdown was unnecessary. The end

[ChumpDumper]

There is no number.Thank you for admitting you have no number and no science. You work on pure emotion. Japan didn't.

[tholdren]

Thank you for admitting you have no number and no science. You work on pure emotion. Japan didn't.
You're sad you bought into the lockdown. Boy are you slow at math.

[ChumpDumper]

You're sad you bought into the lockdown. Boy are you slow at math.Your boy said there would only be 10,000 deaths without any lockdowns. Then he said there would only be 60,000 with the lockdowns.

Those are the only numbers you ever came up with.

[tholdren]

Your boy said there would only be 10,000 deaths without any lockdowns. Then he said there would only be 60,000 with the lockdowns.

Those are the only numbers you ever came up with.

He's not wrong. Cdc cant collect data. Gunshot wounds and gov sending symptomatic ltc residents into congregation. Makes up 90 percent of the fatalities.

Wrong for you... yet again

[ChumpDumper]

He's not wrong. Cdc cant collect data. Gunshot wounds and gov sending symptomatic ltc residents into congregation. Makes up 90 percent of the fatalities. Post your numbers and how you got them. Step up and don't change the subject.

[tholdren]

Post your numbers and how you got them. Step up and don't change the subject.
10k tops

[ChumpDumper]

10k topsbased on what?

[tholdren]

based on what?
The flu fatality. But unlike the flu covid isn't harmful to younger population.

[ChumpDumper]

The flu fatality. But unlike the flu covid isn't harmful to younger population.Oh right. You still say it's the flu.:lmao

[tholdren]

Oh right. You still say it's the flu.:lmao

I'm right you're wrong. How dangerous are those Minnesota protests? Lol you said hospitals would be overrun all over the world and didn't know wet markets existed in nyc. Hilarious

[ChumpDumper]

I'm right:lmao because you said it's the flu and made zero projections in March. Hilarious.

[tholdren]

:lmao because you said it's the flu and made zero projections in March. Hilarious.

And I'm right. Thanks again for the ship comments

[ChumpDumper]

Andyou were wrong and had no science.:tu

[tholdren]

you were wrong and had no science.:tu

I was right. I use science you use Twitter.
Ships
Furloughs
Kansas
Ifr
Georgia
Florida
Sweden
Japan
Hygiene
Cdc
You even believed Neil Ferguson

Sad for you

[ChumpDumper]

I called it the flu and waited until last night to go Google shopping for an epidemiologist who never made a model for the coronavirus.

:lol

[tholdren]

called it the flu and waited until last night to go Google shopping for an epidemiologist who never made a model for the coronavirus.

:lol
You can't have a model for made up stats unless you want to be neil ferguson or the cdc.

[ChumpDumper]

You can't have a modelbecause you'll never have one. You'll just throw out numbers based on nothing and call yourself a scientist.

[tholdren]

because you'll never have one. You'll just throw out numbers based on nothing and call yourself a scientist.

lol ill never have a model and I'm not a scientist. Lol this is wonderful

[ChumpDumper]

lol ill never have a model and I'm not a scientist. Lol this is wonderfulIt is wonderful since you'll never have a model and you aren't a scientist.:lol

[tholdren]

It is wonderful since you'll never have a model and you aren't a scientist.

Well at least I was never wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Well at least I was never wrong.Of course you were wrong.:lol

[tholdren]

** Kansas

Lol you really thought that

[tholdren]

Mortality rate for under 50 is similar to that of the flu thanks Cdc for this information. Who woulda thought? Yep me.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you really thought thatSo did the author of the book.

[ChumpDumper]

me.:lol you said it was the flu. Yep you.

[tholdren]

Mortality rate for under 50 is similar to that of the flu thanks Cdc for this information. Who woulda thought? Yep me.
I win
ChumpDumper
Loses again.

Ships
Furloughs
2 weeks
Cdc
Nyc
Hospitals
Kansas
Wetmarkets

And

Less dangerous than flu. LolololoIololo

Wrong

[RandomGuy]

You said Sweden locked down. They didn't. Thats a lie.

I try never to lie. My understanding is that they have had to implement the same kinds of stay at home orders as everyone else.

We may be talking past each other, so let's get a bit of clarity and mutual agreement so we can have a productive conversation.

To eliminate the possibility we are talking past each other using words differently, it will help to define "lock down". What is your working definition? Not looking for anything exact, just a general description, and we can go from there.

[tholdren]

I try never to lie. My understanding is that they have had to implement the same kinds of stay at home orders as everyone else.

We may be talking past each other, so let's get a bit of clarity and mutual agreement so we can have a productive conversation.

To eliminate the possibility we are talking past each other using words differently, it will help to define "lock down". What is your working definition? Not looking for anything exact, just a general description, and we can go from there.

Locking down is placing at home restrictions on the general population and mandatory shutdown of businesses. Had usa restricted the at risk population only and placed measures on protecting these folks rather than ensuring parks were closed there would be less fatalities.

[RandomGuy]

Locking down is placing at home restrictions on the general population and mandatory shutdown of businesses.

There we go.

That is my understanding of what Sweden did. We can now determine if I was wrong or not. To be clear: My statement was based on my understanding. I may be wrong, but was not attempting to lie.

I will always admit if i am wrong on anything. I prefer my understanding of reality to be as accurate as possible.

[RandomGuy]

So Swedes have been free to shop, eat at restaurants, go to the movies and get their hair cut by professionals. But the reality is, many have chosen not to. Swedes have a high level of trust in their authorities, surveys show, and many have heeded Tegnell’s advice to restrict movement and stay apart.

Data from cellphone service providers shows people have stayed home to a much greater extent than normal, even during public holidays, and voluntarily abstained from nonessential activities — although mobility is higher than in other countries with strict lockdowns and walking journeys are now close to being back to where they were in January.

So despite the light-touch restrictions, Sweden's domestic economy has slowed, compounding the effect of collapsing exports.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/20/sweden-wont-dodge-economic-hit-despite-covid-19-light-touch-270611

So, basically, Sweden has not had mandatory closures of businesses. I stand corrected. I think your definition of "lock down" is pretty reasonable, and agree with it.

They have, though, collectively limited their activities almost as much as those countries that have had such lockdowns.


At a media briefing last Thursday, Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson gave an overview of the economic outlook. Her slides showed that sales in stores of the Sweden-based international clothing company H&M had fallen less in Sweden than elsewhere, but the difference between Sweden and locked-down Norway was limited. A snapshot of spending by debit card also suggested minimal differences between the two.

Similarly, a study by researchers at the University of Copenhagen suggested consumer spending in Denmark and Sweden had fallen by similar amounts, despite the very different approaches by the two countries to lockdown.

Andersson concluded that overall, the worst isn't over yet. “There is much to suggest that the big fall will come in the second quarter,” she said.

In Vällingby, the effect of the drop in consumer spending was on display, with a number of stores already shuttered and others offering heavy discounts.

Singh, the stallholder, said his sales are down about 80 percent compared with the same month last year, and neighboring stalls were also suffering a profound slump. “It’s a really tough time,” he said.



Didn't seem to help their economy appreciably. There is, though, a very appreciable difference in infection/death rates per capita compared to Norway and Finland.

[ChumpDumper]

I win
ChumpDumper
Loses again.

Ships
Furloughs
2 weeks
Cdc
Nyc
Hospitals
Kansas
Wetmarkets

And

Less dangerous than flu. LolololoIololo

Wrong

:lol you still say it's the flu.

Why is Sweden's death rate so high compared to Norway?

[tholdren]

:lol you still say it's the flu.

Why is Sweden's death rate so high compared to Norway?
New data shows Spain to have the least amount of movement in Europe during lockdown. Sorry to burst your bubble

[ChumpDumper]

New data shows Spain to have the least amount of movement in Europe during lockdown. Sorry to burst your bubbleIs changing the subject something you learned in science school? Sorry to scare you so badly.

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

[tholdren]

Is changing the subject something you learned in science school? Sorry to scare you so badly.

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

nah you were inferring lockdowns work. Spain USA Italy prove you wrong

[ChumpDumper]

nah you were inferring lockdowns work.You got imply/infer wrong. Science!

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

[tholdren]

You got imply/infer wrong. Science!

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

Lol your response. Just keep defying the data. You said kansas

[ChumpDumper]

Lol your response. Just keep defying the data. I'm asking you about the data from which you are currently hiding.

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

[tholdren]

I'm asking you about the data from which you are currently hiding.

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

Lol why did more people die in spain?

[ChumpDumper]

Lol why did more people die in spain?Question pending.

Why did so many people die in Sweden while fewer died in Norway?

You claim to be a scientist. Let's see your answer.

[RandomGuy]

New data shows Spain to have the least amount of movement in Europe during lockdown. Sorry to burst your bubble

So one of the hardest hit places has the least amount of movement now. It might be helpful if you were to post a link.

When can we expect this mitigation to show up in the infection rate?

[RandomGuy]

Lol why did more people die in spain?

Why is Spain more relevant to you than Sweden's neighbors, Norway and Finland?

[tholdren]

So one of the hardest hit places has the least amount of movement now. It might be helpful if you were to post a link.

When can we expect this mitigation to show up in the infection rate?
Lockdown don't work you wrong about it all. Flu worse

[RandomGuy]

New data shows Spain to have the least amount of movement in Europe during lockdown. Sorry to burst your bubble


So one of the hardest hit places has the least amount of movement now. It might be helpful if you were to post a link.

When can we expect this mitigation to show up in the infection rate?


Lockdown don't work you wrong about it all. Flu worse

So we cannot expect this mitigation effort to reduce the infection rate, according to... you. That will be an easy thing to measure. Two weeks from now.

There is a solid prediction. You still owe me a link on "New data" showing how Spain is locking down, so I can evaluate this information. Your claim, your burden of proof.

[tholdren]

So we cannot expect this mitigation effort to reduce the infection rate, according to... you. That will be an easy thing to measure. Two weeks from now.

There is a solid prediction. You still owe me a link on "New data" showing how Spain is locking down, so I can evaluate this information. Your claim, your burden of proof.

Data has already been collected. Keep saying 2 weeks. Fatalities and hospitalization trending down the whole month.

[RandomGuy]

New data shows Spain to have the least amount of movement in Europe during lockdown. Sorry to burst your bubble


So one of the hardest hit places has the least amount of movement now. It might be helpful if you were to post a link.

When can we expect this mitigation to show up in the infection rate?


Lockdown don't work you wrong about it all. Flu worse


So we cannot expect this mitigation effort to reduce the infection rate, according to... you. That will be an easy thing to measure. Two weeks from now.

There is a solid prediction. You still owe me a link on "New data" showing how Spain is locking down, so I can evaluate this information. Your claim, your burden of proof.


Data has already been collected. Keep saying 2 weeks. Fatalities and hospitalization trending down the whole month.

You claiming data exists is not the same as that data actually existing. I did a cursory search, and did not find what you were referring to.

Be happy with some data that clarifies it. First things first. Still trying to actually understand your shorthand comments.

Link to "new data shows spain to have the least amount of movement"?

[tholdren]

You claiming data exists is not the same as that data actually existing. I did a cursory search, and did not find what you were referring to.

Be happy with some data that clarifies it. First things first. Still trying to actually understand your shorthand comments.

Link to "new data shows spain to have the least amount of movement"?

Reuters) - Sending children back to schools and day care centres in Denmark, the first country in Europe to do so, did not lead to an increase in coronavirus infections, according to official data, confirming similar findings from Finland on Thursday

[boutons_deux]

two counties in CA opened up, then had more cases, so shutdown again.

[RandomGuy]

New data shows Spain to have the least amount of movement in Europe during lockdown. Sorry to burst your bubble


So one of the hardest hit places has the least amount of movement now. It might be helpful if you were to post a link.

When can we expect this mitigation to show up in the infection rate?


Lockdown don't work you wrong about it all. Flu worse


So we cannot expect this mitigation effort to reduce the infection rate, according to... you. That will be an easy thing to measure. Two weeks from now.

There is a solid prediction. You still owe me a link on "New data" showing how Spain is locking down, so I can evaluate this information. Your claim, your burden of proof.


Data has already been collected. Keep saying 2 weeks. Fatalities and hospitalization trending down the whole month.


You claiming data exists is not the same as that data actually existing. I did a cursory search, and did not find what you were referring to.

Be happy with some data that clarifies it. First things first. Still trying to actually understand your shorthand comments.

Link to "new data shows spain to have the least amount of movement"?


[reuters article on sweden]

That is not a link to your data set for your preveious claim.

3rd time:
Link to "new data shows spain to have the least amount of movement"?

[ChumpDumper]

Reuters) - Sending children back to schools and day care centres in Denmark, the first country in Europe to do so, did not lead to an increase in coronavirus infections, according to official data, confirming similar findings from Finland on ThursdayWhy did Denmark and Finland have fewer deaths compared to Sweden?

[tholdren]

Why did Denmark and Finland have fewer deaths compared to Sweden?
They may not have. Europe deaths within normal ranges. Similar to USA. Use the state reporting data V cdc all cause death data. Compare. Or just say you don't know how.

Remember I have been telling you this for over a month

[ChumpDumper]

They may not have. Europe deaths within normal ranges. Similar to USA. Use the state reporting data V cdc all cause death data. Compare. Or just say you don't know how.

Remember I have been telling you this for over a monthI am comparing Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland.

Why are there so many more deaths in Sweden?

You can say you just don't know or you're afraid to think about it.

[tholdren]

I am comparing Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland.

Why are there so many more deaths in Sweden?

You can say you just don't know or you're afraid to think about it.
You must not be able to compare the data. Its okay. Just keep posting.

[ChumpDumper]

You must not be able to compare the data. Its okay. Just keep posting.Why are you trying so desperately to change the subject?

[DMC]

You must not be able to compare the data. Its okay. Just keep posting.

Like pgardn who spent hours to avoid saying exactly what finer points he developed for the ELISA assay - opting instead to try to intimidate and dodge... probably like Chumpy there, wishes he never said it.

[ChumpDumper]

Like pgardn who spent hours to avoid saying exactly what finer points he developed for the ELISA assay - opting instead to try to intimidate and dodge... probably like Chumpy there, wishes he never said it.Wish I never asked why Norway has fewer deaths than Sweden even accounting for the population difference?

Nope, I think it's a very legitimate question. You want to take a crack at it or do you want to change the subject too?

[tholdren]

You claiming data exists is not the same as that data actually existing. I did a cursory search, and did not find what you were referring to.

Be happy with some data that clarifies it. First things first. Still trying to actually understand your shorthand comments.

Link to "new data shows spain to have the least amount of movement"?

Google tracking show's Spain moved least in Europe during lockdown.

[tholdren]

Just in swedens all cuase death rate lower this year. Lol lockdowns

[boutons_deux]

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&deathsMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=DNK~FIN~NOR~SWE

[tholdren]

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&deathsMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=DNK~FIN~NOR~SWE

Sweden October 1 through May 10 all cause death second lowest in 5 years..... sorry for you

[tholdren]

Sweden October 1 through May 10 all cause death second lowest in 5 years..... sorry for you
But why are the deaths higher.... statistically lower. But science and media!!!

[ChumpDumper]

But why are the deaths higher.... statistically lower. But science and media!!!:lol take it up with Sweden. They gave the numbers.

[tholdren]

:lol take it up with Sweden. They gave the numbers.

What is there to take up? You said lockdowns work. The are lower than average the past 5 years for all cause fatality. Strange isn't it.

[ChumpDumper]

What is there to take up? You said lockdowns work. The are lower than average the past 5 years for all cause fatality. Strange isn't it.Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

You're afraid to answer.

Strange, isn't it?

[tholdren]

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?
Doesn't matter. If coronavirus was a major problem there would be excess deaths. There are not. Similarly weekly data shows us is in line with average weekly death
...
Bizarre

How could that be explained?

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't matter.:lmao of course it does. Quit hand waving and just answer the question with your science.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

[tholdren]

:lmao of course it does. Quit hand waving and just answer the question with your science.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

Why is ny higher than Oklahoma?

[ChumpDumper]

Why is ny higher than Oklahoma?Quit changing the subject. You're losing again.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

[tholdren]

Quit changing the subject. You're losing again.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

why is ny higher than South dakota?

[ChumpDumper]

why is ny higher than South dakota?:lmao subjectchangebot initiated but you're still losing.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

[tholdren]

:lmao subjectchangebot initiated but you're still losing.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?
Why spain worse than Sweden....

[ChumpDumper]

Why spain worse than Sweden....subjectchangebot running at 110%.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

Come on, scientist -- answer the question.

[tholdren]

subjectchangebot running at 110%.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

Come on, scientist -- answer the question.
Awwww you know the coronavirus didn't require a lockdown.... glad to see you admit

[ChumpDumper]

Awwww you know the coronavirus didn't require a lockdown.... glad to see you admit:lol you lose...glad to see you admit

[tholdren]

:lol you lose...glad to see you admit
Pretty quick, just copying what I say. Another 110k poster embarrassed

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty quick, just copying what I say. Another 110k poster embarrassed:lol you're getting pissy. You lose.

[tholdren]

:lol you're getting pissy. You lose.

pissy? Oh my. Kansas is getting worked up

[ChumpDumper]

pissy?Now you're just copying what I say.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

[tholdren]

Now you're just copying what I say.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?
But but but all those excess deaths...

[ChumpDumper]

But but but all those excess deaths...Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

[tholdren]

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

why doesn't sweden have more deaths than usual?

[tholdren]

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

Why is norway prime Minister suggesting they should have taken swedens approach?

[tholdren]

Wednesday night, Norway's prime minister Erna Solberg went on Norwegian television to make a startling admission: she had panicked. Some, even most, of the tough measures imposed in Norway's lockdown now looked like steps too far. "Was it necessary to close schools?" she mused. "Perhaps not."

It was a preemptive step only a leader with Solberg's folksy, down-to-earth style could get away with. "I probably took many of the decisions out of fear," she admitted, reminding viewers of the terrifying images then flooding their screens from Italy.

Why does norway want to be like sweden even with all thone deaths? Really really bizarre.

[ChumpDumper]

Wednesday night, Norway's prime minister Erna Solberg went on Norwegian television to make a startling admission: she had panicked. Some, even most, of the tough measures imposed in Norway's lockdown now looked like steps too far. "Was it necessary to close schools?" she mused. "Perhaps not."

It was a preemptive step only a leader with Solberg's folksy, down-to-earth style could get away with. "I probably took many of the decisions out of fear," she admitted, reminding viewers of the terrifying images then flooding their screens from Italy.

Why does norway want to be like sweden even with all thone deaths? Really really bizarre.Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?

[RandomGuy]

:lmao of course it does. Quit hand waving and just answer the question with your science.

Why is Sweden's death count higher than Denmark, Norway and Finland even when adjusted for population?


Why is ny higher than Oklahoma?




[from passage about how to identify liars]
... Finally, ..increased evasiveness, ... liars tend to avoid answering the question completely, perhaps by switching topics or by asking a question of their own. -- 59 Seconds: Change Your Life in Under a Minute by Richard Wiseman

:lol

Why is right so dishonest?

[boutons_deux]

Sweden steady as she goes

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&deathsMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=DNK~FIN~NOR~SWE

[tholdren]

Wednesday night, Norway's prime minister Erna Solberg went on Norwegian television to make a startling admission: she had panicked. Some, even most, of the tough measures imposed in Norway's lockdown now looked like steps too far. "Was it necessary to close schools?" she mused. "Perhaps not."

It was a preemptive step only a leader with Solberg's folksy, down-to-earth style could get away with. "I probably took many of the decisions out of fear," she admitted, reminding viewers of the terrifying images then flooding their screens from Italy.

Why does norway want to be like sweden even with all thone deaths? Really really bizarre.

[tholdren]

[from passage about how to identify liars]
... Finally, ..increased evasiveness, ... liars tend to avoid answering the question completely, perhaps by switching topics or by asking a question of their own. -- 59 Seconds: Change Your Life in Under a Minute by Richard Wiseman

:lol

Why is right so dishonest?

Lockdowns don't work. You were wrong. And still wrong.

[tholdren]

But but but science.. lol

[tholdren]

Uh oh.... only 2x the flu...https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.25.20113050v1

[tholdren]

wow. Cases!

[tholdren]

at the beginning of the month the models predicted there were supposed to bee 200000 cases and 3k deaths per day... based on science.

[ChumpDumper]

[from passage about how to identify liars]
... Finally, ..increased evasiveness, ... liars tend to avoid answering the question completely, perhaps by switching topics or by asking a question of their own. -- 59 Seconds: Change Your Life in Under a Minute by Richard Wiseman

:lol

Why is right so dishonest?:lol

[tholdren]

How's all that science? Wait no 200k cases or 3k deaths per day? Lockdowns proven to do more harm than good, just ask norway prime Minister. Lol you two

[RandomGuy]

Lockdowns don't work. You were wrong. And still wrong.

I always revisit my underlying assumptions when new data presents itself. Hell, even DarrinS has changed my mind occasionally with decent information.

Lying, deflecting, and waving your hands like this is simply your masturbatory attempt to convince yourself that your model of reality is correct. :jack

A: When a person does not present good information, then their position is weak.

B: tholdren does not present good information that supports his position, therefore...

This simply shows your position is weak. Your call I guess. I expect more :jack in response.

[RandomGuy]

at the beginning of the month the models predicted there were supposed to bee 200000 cases and 3k deaths per day... based on science.

Link?

or :jack?

[RandomGuy]

Lockdowns don't work. You were wrong. And still wrong.

https://rt.live/

Seems like infection rates have ticked up in just about every location that has ended them.

That does not support your position that they do not work at all.

Again a testable hypothesis. We are in the laboratory and you want us to gamble with my son and fathers lives.

[tholdren]

Link?

or :jack?
In 2 other threads bozo.

[tholdren]

https://rt.live/

Seems like infection rates have ticked up in just about every location that has ended them.

That does not support your position that they do not work at all.

Again a testable hypothesis. We are in the laboratory and you want us to gamble with my son and fathers lives.

Actually the trend has been down. Since April. But please do use those daily case numbers. Math is not your friend

[RandomGuy]

Link?

or :jack?


In 2 other threads bozo.

:jack it is.

About what I expected. You can't back your shit up.

What a poser.

[RandomGuy]

Actually the trend has been down. Since April. But please do use those daily case numbers. Math is not your friend

Read through several bits there. The trend is upwards in several states, and the dates of the end of the lockdowns is given in the data.

(shrugs) Time will tell if the lockdowns were effective, as has been recommended by most epidemiologists I have seen/read on it.

[tholdren]

Read through several bits there. The trend is upwards in several states, and the dates of the end of the lockdowns is given in the data.

(shrugs) Time will tell if the lockdowns were effective, as has been recommended by most epidemiologists I have seen/read on it.

Time has already told. Youre wrong. The end. Unless you want to continue to say wrong things for weeks like you have been

[tholdren]

:jack it is.

About what I expected. You can't back your shit up.

What a poser.

The daily death toll will reach about 3,000 on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, a 70 percent increase from the current number of about 1,750.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases a day currently.

Nt times. Figures

[RandomGuy]

The daily death toll will reach about 3,000 on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, a 70 percent increase from the current number of about 1,750.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases a day currently.

Nt times. Figures

more :jack

Not trusting your word on anything. If you can't post the link, I will just assume you are talking out your ass and lying about the source material, because you have not shown yourself to have a shred of honesty so far.

The corner for conspiratards who think the moon landings were faked is over there, so fuck off and stand there with Cosmored, because you are sure arguing just like him. If you have never met, try the Moon landings faked in a studio thread. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Time has already told. Youre wrong. The end. Unless you want to continue to say wrong things for weeks like you have been

What I say isn't wrong because you wave your hands and :jack

:lol That isn't how critical thinking works. You really really suck at this.

https://realizebeauty.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/dunning-kruger-effect-agile-coffee-web.jpg

[RandomGuy]

The daily death toll will reach about 3,000 on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, a 70 percent increase from the current number of about 1,750.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases a day currently.

Nt times. Figures


An internal Trump administration report expects about 200,000 daily cases by June. The White House bars coronavirus task force officials from testifying to Congress without approval.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html

:lmao

Trump administration figures reported a month ago, based on a report done when? Mid-April? Mid-March?

Most models now have moderated toll quite a bit as we have more data.

You want to prance around like this is somehow my position, based on a report from an unknown date, reported a month ago. :lol

You suck at this.

[tholdren]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html

:lmao

Trump administration figures reported a month ago, based on a report done when? Mid-April? Mid-March?

Most models now have moderated toll quite a bit as we have more data.

You want to prance around like this is somehow my position, based on a report from an unknown date, reported a month ago. :lol

You suck at this.

May.... your models .. were wrong... juat like the original models.... and the fatality rate... wrong.. lol your math. But but but daily cases lol

[DMC]

What I say isn't wrong because you wave your hands and :jack

:lol That isn't how critical thinking works. You really really suck at this.

https://realizebeauty.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/dunning-kruger-effect-agile-coffee-web.jpg

That dip needs to go a lot further down and it never gets that high again, ever.

[tholdren]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html

:lmao

Trump administration figures reported a month ago, based on a report done when? Mid-April? Mid-March?

Most models now have moderated toll quite a bit as we have more data.

You want to prance around like this is somehow my position, based on a report from an unknown date, reported a month ago. :lol

You suck at this.

did you know that if a person tests pos then tests pos again to see of they still have virus it is counted as 2?


Take that for data

[DMC]

Read through several bits there. The trend is upwards in several states, and the dates of the end of the lockdowns is given in the data.

(shrugs) Time will tell if the lockdowns were effective, as has been recommended by most epidemiologists I have seen/read on it.

Testing has increased in states. Don't be daft. You act like everyone in the state is monitored constantly and the new cases are real time reports as they occur.. shit like "they went to the party and the next day there there 300 more positive cases" just illustrates how stupid some here are, and how dishonest and desperate for a narrative.

[tholdren]

more :jack

Not trusting your word on anything. If you can't post the link, I will just assume you are talking out your ass and lying about the source material, because you have not shown yourself to have a shred of honesty so far.

The corner for conspiratards who think the moon landings were faked is over there, so fuck off and stand there with Cosmored, because you are sure arguing just like him. If you have never met, try the Moon landings faked in a studio thread. :lol

Not really a conspiracy. Youre just not intelligent enough to understand the problem with the lagging and reporting.

You do unerstand that the cases and the fatalities released per day, don't all happen that day, right?

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus: Sweden's Tegnell admits too many died

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic

led to too many deaths,

the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717)