Official 2021 Free Agency Day Thread (Begins at 5PM CT)

[slick'81]

They probably could have signed Milutinov for a bit cheaper than Zollins, damn at least he plays and is tough. And it's not like Collins is a proven stretch big, he doesn't shoot well


Mulituniv is never coming here. That ship has loong sailed

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Free agent center Richaun Holmes has agreed to a four-year deal worth as much as $55 million to return to the Sacramento Kings, his agency Par-Lay Sports & Entertainment (@parlay_se (https://twitter.com/parlay_se/)) tells @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Deal includes player option and trade kicker.

[Dennis the Menace]

John Collins or bust

[Dennis the Menace]

What y’all think is the % that Hawks would match a Spurs max offer?

[Fusternino]

Do we have to outbid anyone on KBD? Is our 2nd round pick going to a two-way or signed for real?

[Degoat]

What y’all think is the % that Hawks would match a Spurs max offer?

Id say like 90% chance they match, maybe the spurs could convince them to swap JC for Demar?

[The Truth #6]

So Zach and Doug have the same agent? Hmmm.

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Another free-agent duel of interest: Carmelo Anthony is weighing interest from both the Lakers and the Knicks, league sources say. And Golden State has joined the Lakers and Nets in the Patty Mills chase, according to @anthonyVslater (https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/) More: marcstein.Substack.com (https://t.co/LGN9cV7Dif)

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Free agent guard Ben McLemore has agreed to a deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, @KlutchSports (https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/) CEO Rich Paul told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/).

[timvp]

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Another free-agent duel of interest: Carmelo Anthony is weighing interest from both the Lakers and the Knicks, league sources say. And Golden State has joined the Lakers and Nets in the Patty Mills chase, according to @anthonyVslater (https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/) More: marcstein.Substack.com (https://t.co/LGN9cV7Dif)

Kinda feel sorry for Patty, tbh. He sucked in the second half of last season but I didn't know he'd have to take pennies.

[Sugus]

This sounds all well and good until the Spurs resign DePression and 50Mills tbh.

I'm absolutely open to getting crushed with the reality that the team is running it back. I don't give a single fuck about Zollins getting redshirted millions in the bank as long as it means the Mid 3 are out the front door next season. All this talk about teams going after Patty has been great..... It's the radio silence on DeRozan that's got me worried now. I literally have not seen a single tweet nor source about a team "chasing him" after the WB to Fakers trade broke through. And with multiple teams nuking their cap space with signings today, the options are narrowing it down. I still have the sliver of hope...... But I'm nervous, tbh.


On a separate note, I hope the Exhaling Krew is willing to eat crow too if DDR-Gay-Thrillz leave town and we throw the max at Collins. Y'all sure can dish it, we'll see about taking it :lol

[slick'81]

Kinda feel sorry for Patty, tbh. He sucked in the second half of last season but I didn't know he'd have to take pennies.


Hes overrated af. Same with derozan and this fa will prove it,tbh

[Robz4000]

I'm absolutely open to getting crushed with the reality that the team is running it back. I don't give a single fuck about Zollins getting redshirted millions in the bank as long as it means the Mid 3 are out the front door next season. All this talk about teams going after Patty has been great..... It's the radio silence on DeRozan that's got me worried now. I literally have not seen a single tweet nor source about a team "chasing him" after the WB to Fakers trade broke through. And with multiple teams nuking their cap space with signings today, the options are narrowing it down. I still have the sliver of hope...... But I'm nervous, tbh.


On a separate note, I hope the Exhaling Krew is willing to eat crow too if DDR-Gay-Thrillz leave town and we throw the max at Collins. Y'all sure can dish it, we'll see about taking it :lol

Honestly I don't want Collins either but he's infinitely better than bringing back DePression, and at least he fills a position of need and has good upside. I fully expect disappointment though.

[Dennis the Menace]

Spurs could just release Demar right? They could just release Demar, Rudy, and Patty outright and have the max capacity offer amount. Wouldn’t have to find any of them a home…just release and sign collins

[Kurik]

If someone is signed to a max contract, is there any room to sign Wieskamp to a Tre Jones deal?

[RC_Drunkford]

Kinda feel sorry for Patty, tbh. He sucked in the second half of last season but I didn't know he'd have to take pennies.

not every front office is as dumb as the Spurs are to overpay a guy for "culture"

[ace3g]

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Free agent F Semi Ojeleye has agreed to a one-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, his agent Sean Kennedy of @excelbasketball (https://twitter.com/excelbasketball/) tells ESPN.

[Degoat]

You have to admire the spurs willingness to not give a fuck what anybody thinks lmao they draft a guy not projected to go that early in the draft, they sign a guy who might not play this season, I mean zero fucks given.

[daslicer]

Honestly I don't want Collins either but he's infinitely better than bringing back DePression, and at least he fills a position of need and has good upside. I fully expect disappointment though.

Spurs can still come out on top in this off-season if they let Derozan walk. If they keep Derozan than this offseason was a failure and the next 3 years will be filled with consistent failure in being a treadmill team.

[daslicer]

You have to admire the spurs willingness to not give a fuck what anybody thinks lmao they draft a guy not projected to go that early in the draft, they sign a guy who might not play this season, I mean zero fucks given.

There is nothing to admire about it considering the Timberwolves used to be like that too when they had Kahn as their GM. Being reckless and stupid with no vision is not the way to go which is what the Spurs are right now.

[Mugen]

You have to admire the spurs willingness to not give a fuck what anybody thinks lmao they draft a guy not projected to go that early in the draft, they sign a guy who might not play this season, I mean zero fucks given.

It's actually pretty easy when the national media doesn't give a fuck about you, the local media are a bunch of mouth breathing yes-men, and at least half the fanbase will defend every retarded move that you do because a Top 5 player of all time brought 5 rings to your poverty organization tbh :lol

[Dingle Barry]

dont think we are rebuilding, rebuilding would mean getting picks to take in bad contract, so far spurs is not doing that. Spurs is also signing to 3 year deals, tanking teams usually dont want to tie up for long term years.

It seems spurs is still targeting collins (atl one, not the bootleg one). mcdermott will come off as a shooter off the bench (like belineli)

But 3 year deals for someone who can't even walk is next level tanking, my boy.

[PhantomDashCam]

You have to admire the spurs willingness to not give a fuck what anybody thinks lmao they draft a guy not projected to go that early in the draft, they sign a guy who might not play this season, I mean zero fucks given.

Brian's press conference...

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[Dingle Barry]

You have to admire the spurs willingness to not give a fuck what anybody thinks lmao they draft a guy not projected to go that early in the draft, they sign a guy who might not play this season, I mean zero fucks given.

It helps when you have a bunch of lapdogs for local press. Nobody applies heat to PATFO.

[ace3g]

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Atlanta Hawks All-Star G Trae Young has agreed to a five-year, $207 million designated rookie maximum extension, his agent Omar Wilkes of @KlutchSports (https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/) tells ESPN.

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Interesting possibility that @JakeLFischer (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/) discussed on my podcast: As one of the few teams that still have significant cap space, the Thunder are rumored to be considering a two-year, $40 million offer to Spencer Dinwiddie. Then, they'd try to flip him before the trade deadline.

[ace3g]

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Interesting possibility that @JakeLFischer (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/) discussed on my podcast: As one of the few teams that still have significant cap space, the Thunder are rumored to be considering a two-year, $40 million offer to Spencer Dinwiddie. Then, they'd try to flip him before the trade deadline.

[Dennis the Menace]

Dejounte
Derrick
Keldon
McDermott
John Collins

That’s actually pretty solid young core group.

Lonnie
Vassell
Poetl
KBD
(Primo, Jones, Samanic)


I would be pumped with that. Clear direction of the youth movement build

[ace3g]

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Oklahoma City Thunder guard Shai Gilgeous-Alexander has agreed to a five-year, $172 million maximum rookie contract extension, his agent Thaddeus Foucher of @Wasserman (https://twitter.com/Wasserman/) tells ESPN.

[ace3g]

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Free agency moratorium has started · First-round selections can sign contracts · Minimum contracts (2 less years) can sign · Restricted free agent can sign an offer sheet · 3rd and 4th year rookie options can be exercised

[Dennis the Menace]

How does that impact things with Trae Young’s 5 year $207 million extension?

[tbdog]

Dejounte
Derrick
Keldon
McDermott
John Collins

That’s actually pretty solid young core group.

Lonnie
Vassell
Poetl
KBD
(Primo, Jones, Samanic)


I would be pumped with that. Clear direction of the youth movement build

Except Collins won't be playing for sometime I think. Also I think Walker has to start instead of White. Also we have 28mil left. That's either DDR or Collins because Mcdermott is more suited off the bench.

Potentially the second unit towards the end of the season is White, Vassell, Mcdermott, Samanic, Collins. That's pretty good.

[timvp]

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Free agency moratorium has started · First-round selections can sign contracts · Minimum contracts (2 less years) can sign · Restricted free agent can sign an offer sheet · 3rd and 4th year rookie options can be exercised

Oh damn, I thought restricted free agents had to wait until Friday.

Time to get back to refreshing :lol

[ace3g]

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Heat free agent Gabe Vincent has agreed to a two-year, $3.5 million deal to return to Miami, his agent Bill Neff tells @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[Uriel]

Atlanta Hawks free agent John Collins has signed a 4-year, $120 million offer sheet with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell ESPN.

Is what I would like to see.

[ace3g]

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Free agent forward Otto Porter Jr. has reached an agreement with the Golden State Warriors, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

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Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

[Dennis the Menace]

Trae Young’s $207 million deal has got to help, yeah?

[ace3g]

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Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing an agreement with the Washington Wizards that will pay roughly $60 million over three years, per league sources. Talks are still ongoing in their Los Angeles meeting.

[Teamduncan21]

if we dont get collins then its really derozan or lauri, (maybe kristaps or kuzma?) but seems there is not much out there

[DPG21920]

Kinda feel sorry for Patty, tbh. He sucked in the second half of last season but I didn't know he'd have to take pennies.

Bruh what about DeRozan :wow

So wild how he has no market

[Fusternino]

Warriors just got OPJ.

Spurs . . .

[Atl Spur]

Bruh what about DeRozan :wow

So wild how he has no market

Patience young Jedi!

[DPG21920]

We need details quickly on these Z Collins and Doug deals. No way they are actually both 3 full years right?

[ace3g]

If Spurs were somewhat successful at making trades at the deadline, I wouldn't be as upset with these type of signings. However, Spurs end up stuck with these players/contracts till they expire...

[DPG21920]

Patience young Jedi!

He’s screwed - unless SA wants Collins and ATL wants DDR, he has no market? S&T is his only hope and Sa doesn’t have to do anything since they can sign players outright.

[SpurPadre]

Bruh what about DeRozan :wow

So wild how he has no market

I mean, it's a league of three point chucking, which he's scared AF to do.

[Degoat]

“DeMar DeRozan update: Both the #Clippers (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Clippers?src=hashtag_click) and #Spurs (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hashtag_click) remain interested in signing him, per league sources. San Antonio, I’m told, would like him back but isn’t willing to go above market value.” -Jordan Schultz

[BacktoBasics]

“DeMar DeRozan update: Both the #Clippers (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Clippers?src=hashtag_click) and #Spurs (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hashtag_click) remain interested in signing him, per league sources. San Antonio, I’m told, would like him back but isn’t willing to go above market value.” -Jordan Schultz

:lol I mean god damn, we're all trying to not fall for the same trap... one day things will change... and this is the year we do it different... then same ole same ole around here :lol

[Sugus]

“DeMar DeRozan update: Both the #Clippers (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Clippers?src=hashtag_click) and #Spurs (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hashtag_click) remain interested in signing him, per league sources. San Antonio, I’m told, would like him back but isn’t willing to go above market value.” -Jordan Schultz



Come the fuck on Clips, give ya Nephew some help for the regular season as he heals up his boo-boo.......

[slick'81]

Bruh what about DeRozan :wow

So wild how he has no market


Not wild. Totally expected . Spurs were dmb enough to take on that deal in the kawhi trade,then refuse to trade him. Now we must pray they are waiting on a s&t or maybe they are really dmb enough to resign him:wow now that would be wild

[Cardinal]

“DeMar DeRozan update: Both the #Clippers (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Clippers?src=hashtag_click) and #Spurs (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hashtag_click) remain interested in signing him, per league sources. San Antonio, I’m told, would like him back but isn’t willing to go above market value.” -Jordan Schultz



Would this likely be a S&T with the Clippers?

[slick'81]

Would this likely be a S&T with the Clippers?

Hopefully,tbh

[JeffDuncan]

Bruh what about DeRozan :wow

So wild how he has no market


He never had any market, after the Raps signed him to that gross contract.

Except the Spurs, that is, who were brain damaged by the Leonard fiasco.

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The Philadelphia 76ers are planning to waive guard George Hill, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Hill had a partial guarantee on next season's contract.

[objective]

DeRozan's market value is like the taxpayer mid-level tbh

[Dennis the Menace]

This front office makes me want to vomit. I think people are going to have to protest or boycott to get real change.

[Dennis the Menace]

The thought of resigning Derozan…. Hahaha sweet Jesus

[Uriel]

I mean, would we be able to sign Collins to the max and re-sign DeRozan using his Bird Rights?

[Wu36]

But people here get mad that spurs never moved him at trade deadlines. Rudy and Patty also

[objective]

I mean, would we be able to sign Collins to the max and re-sign DeRozan using his Bird Rights?

No, as far as I know. Spurs would have to renounce everyone including DeRozan to sign Collins.

Similarly, they wouldn't be able to take anyone back in a DeRozan sign and trade with another team like the Clippers, because then they wouldn't have room to sign Collins.

[timvp]

If the Spurs re-sign DeRozan, this would be the worst off-season of all-time. My trust in the front office would be finished in every respect except maybe drafting.

[Wu36]

I mean, would we be able to sign Collins to the max and re-sign DeRozan using his Bird Rights?
Your bolded dude tell us or give your status up

[Dhbsr555]

And this is all because Brian thought it be a good idea to give a dude that hasn’t played in two years a sizable contract… it’s time to give up on this front office. 48 million and all we can get is McDermott and Zach Collins. What a fucking joke.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs re-sign DeRozan, this would be the worst off-season of all-time. My trust in the front office would be finished in every respect except maybe drafting.

And that just took a massive blow lmao…this FO is a disaster man. Already is. The fact they are even considering it is enough to want everyone fired.

[Wu36]

But people here get mad that spurs never moved him at trade deadlines. Rudy and Patty also

[timvp]

And that just took a massive blow lmao…this FO is a disaster man. Already is. The fact they are even considering it is enough to want everyone fired.

If they sign Collins to a max offer sheet, I could overlook McDermott and Collins. But the return of DD? Game over.

[DPG21920]

But people here get mad that spurs never moved him at trade deadlines. Rudy and Patty also

yes.. if they had any offer,even a 2nd round pick, then it should have been done.

[DPG21920]

If they sign Collins to a max offer sheet, I could overlook McDermott and Collins. But the return of DD? Game over.

Really? I mean, sure I guess. But now we know 100% for sure, they are not a FO that knows what they need. They may end up backing into something OK, but there is still obviously very little plan, vision or creativity and certainly not a FO that has a firm grasp on who their team is.

[Cardinal]

The fact that the front office is even interested in re-signing DeRozan is deeply unsettling - though I would caution against reading too much into that rumor. The Spurs keep a tight ship and it could simply be DeRozan's camp attempting to drive up his value

[SpurPadre]

How can anyone spin this DeRozan consideration? Some have been spinning the white boy signings today so it'll be interesting to see how this would be justified.

[cd98]

Demand for DDR is good for Spurs. Gives them more options. Not sure how many teams could sign him outright.

[DPG21920]

Demand for DDR is good for Spurs. Gives them more options. Not sure how many teams could sign him outright.

I dont know tbh…he was a marquee name in free agency and wasn’t even remotely considered for the teams with cap space. And we same questionable deals for sure :lol

Now, it’s basically teams with MLE and they are still questioning making a hard push for him??? For the MLE…

[cd98]

I think the Collins gamble is somewhat defensible if the have a good medical report from the agent and they have outs in the contract. The Dermott signing I don’t get at all. Yes, we need outside shooting, but this team is devoid of all stars. Why spend so much on a 28 year old forward that is on a different timeline. If he pans out, he just makes you win games you need to lose and either way, he’s robbing precious minutes of players in need of minutes to develop.

[timvp]

Tbf, signing a guy who can't play D and won't shoot threes isn't a good idea at any price in 2021.

[DPG21920]

I think the Collins gamble is somewhat defensible if the have a good medical report from the agent and they have outs in the contract. The Dermott signing I don’t get at all. Yes, we need outside shooting, but this team is devoid of all stars. Why spend so much on a 28 year old forward that is on a different timeline. If he pans out, he just makes you win games you need to lose and either way, he’s robbing precious minutes of players in need of minutes to develop.

Why would POR not pay him 7M for only one year if he has any kind of upside?

[Uriel]

If they sign Collins to a max offer sheet, I could overlook McDermott and Collins. But the return of DD? Game over.
Overlook implies you disapprove of the McDermott and Collins signings, regardless of whether John Collins comes here or not. I think the way the front office sees it is they're complementary pieces that would fit well in a roster with John Collins at the helm of the frontcourt.

[cd98]

I dont know tbh…he was a marquee name in free agency and wasn’t even remotely considered for the teams with cap space. And we same questionable deals for sure :lol

Now, it’s basically teams with MLE and they are still questioning making a hard push for him??? For the MLE…

He’s never committed to the MLE. He will be a sign and trade player. I don’t think he’ll do a mid level unless it’s a one year player option on a contender. But I believe there are a bunch of teams that want him. It’s just setting the market and coming up with an attractive sign and trade offer.

[Wu36]

I dont know tbh…he was a marquee name in free agency and wasn’t even remotely considered for the teams with cap space. And we same questionable deals for sure :lol

Now, it’s basically teams with MLE and they are still questioning making a hard push for him??? For the MLE…
👋

[cd98]

Why would POR not pay him 7M for only one year if he has any kind of upside?

They don’t have time for upside or to wait 8 months. They have to keep Lillard happy and keep them competitive as soon as the season starts.

[SpurPadre]

I mean, even if PATFO want DeRozan back, why the fuck would he want to play for this team at his age? Shouldn't he want to play for a contender?

[Robz4000]

I mean, even if PATFO want DeRozan back, why the fuck would he want to play for this team at his age? Shouldn't he want to play for a contender?

He'll go where the money is tbh. No real contender is gonna offer him more than scraps at this point anyway.

[SpurSpike]

Spurs can wait it out on DDR. Offer Collins the max then when that doesn't work out sign DDR to a 1 or 2 year deal. I know DDR wanted more years but he wouldn't have much choice at that point but to take it once the market dries up.

[DPG21920]

He’s never committed to the MLE. He will be a sign and trade player. I don’t think he’ll do a mid level unless it’s a one year player option on a contender. But I believe there are a bunch of teams that want him. It’s just setting the market and coming up with an attractive sign and trade offer.

He has no choice….S&T isn’t just up to him and if SA says no? There’s no one with cap space..

[DPG21920]

They don’t have time for upside or to wait 8 months. They have to keep Lillard happy and keep them competitive as soon as the season starts.

But losing him didn’t get them anymore money or anything..

[cd98]

I mean, even if PATFO want DeRozan back, why the fuck would he want to play for this team at his age? Shouldn't he want to play for a contender?

i see McDermott as win now. So I think the Spurs are not tanking and would be good w DDR on a short and reasonable contract.

[SpurPadre]

He'll go where the money is tbh. No real contender is gonna offer him more than scraps at this point anyway.

True but maybe he'll sign and get traded to a contender by the deadline next season like LMA.

[DPG21920]

i see McDermott as win now. So I think the Spurs are not tanking and would be good w DDR on a short and reasonable contract.

Listen to what you are saying…McDermott is win now so sign DDR? So the only difference in the same team that missed the playoffs twice is a year older DDR and swapping Mills/Rudy for Doug/Injured Collins and that’s enough to reasonably say “yeah, the last two seasons weren’t enough, but this is!”

[Robz4000]

True but maybe he'll sign and get traded to a contender by the deadline next season like LMA.

LMA was bought out, not traded. Could see the Spurs "doing right" by him after he's resigned.

[cd98]

But losing him didn’t get them anymore money or anything..

A roster spot. I don’t know. I think he is a good player, if healthy, but I can only assume that if everyone here understands that Collins has health issues, then the Spurs brass did too and exercised due diligence. I hope that’s the case. If not, then they deserve to pay 21 million for zero minutes played.

[objective]

Keeping Zollins could have been a public relations blessing for Olshey. If Zollins was able to play at the end of the year and look like he was an NBA rotation player, it would have been a feel-good story. I can picture the press conference now: "This is a family. And we have our family's backs. That's why we brought Zollins back, we believed in him, and now, he's like a comeback player of the year. As long as we stick together, we can do anything!"

[SpurPadre]

LMA was bought out, not traded. Could see the Spurs "doing right" by him after he's resigned.

The past season is a blur to me so I forgot what actually happened lol.

[DPG21920]

A roster spot. I don’t know. I think he is a good player, if healthy, but I can only assume that if everyone here understands that Collins has health issues, then the Spurs brass did too and exercised due diligence. I hope that’s the case. If not, then they deserve to pay 21 million for zero minutes played.

I mean, with Carroll the odds are more likely they pay him not to play than him contributing.

[cd98]

Listen to what you are saying…McDermott is win now so sign DDR? So the only difference in the same team that missed the playoffs twice is a year older DDR and swapping Mills/Rudy for Doug/Injured Collins and that’s enough to reasonably say “yeah, the last two seasons weren’t enough, but this is!”

I’m just trying to make sense of signing a 28 year old player for this roster at what Spurs paid. I don’t get it. But I don’t think rebuild involves paying a 28 year old to steal valuable minutes from young players.

[SpurPadre]

I’m just trying to make sense of signing a 28 year old player for this roster at what Spurs paid. I don’t get it. But I don’t think rebuild involves paying a 28 year old to steal valuable minutes from young players.

He's gonna be 30 in January.

[DPG21920]

I’m just trying to make sense of signing a 28 year old player for this roster at what Spurs paid. I don’t get it. But I don’t think rebuild involves paying a 28 year old to steal valuable minutes from young players.

There is no making sense of it IMO…its just the same one foot in, one foot out FO. Too scared to really push for PO and trade youth/picks for better players and even more scared to truly rebuild.

[Fusternino]

If DDR is back for another go, what really worries me is Pop doesn't get he shouldn't be playing either him or KJ at the 4. Split them up. Seriously.

[slick'81]

All the sniffers deserve another 3 years of ddr and fighting for that 10th seed. This front office really are on the brink of total failure this offseason

[timvp]

A restricted free agent may sign an offer sheet with a new team, although the 48-hour matching period does not begin until the conclusion of the Moratorium.

Found that in the CBA. So, for example, the Spurs could sign John Collins right now ... but the 48-hour clock doesn't begin until Friday. Thus, the strategy would be to wait until Friday to officially give him the offer sheet, right?

I mean, obviously, you don't get that much of an advantage by delaying it -- but even a slight advantage may be helpful. If you try to put a poison pill in the contract or something like that, you'd want the Hawks to have only 48 hours to look it over rather than like a week or whatever it'd be.

[timvp]

But I have a baaaad feeling that the Spurs are keeping that salary cap room open for DeRozan :pctoss

[DPG21920]

Only the Spurs can have infinite cap space and somehow make the team worse than with Mills/Rudy :lol

[slick'81]

But I have a baaaad feeling that the Spurs are keeping that salary cap room open for DeRozan :pctoss


Duh,spurs are waiting on depression to determine his market value.Maybe there is still hope for a s&t,but given this roster construction they think they are a derozan away from the 8th seed:lol.

[DPG21920]

Duh,spurs are waiting on depression to determine his market value

There is no one really left with cap space…so his value is at best MLE.

[Fusternino]

What poison pill could the Spurs put in there? A 15% trade kicker?

[Teamduncan21]

But I have a baaaad feeling that the Spurs are keeping that salary cap room open for DeRozan :pctoss

then why cant they sign him now, whats the point of open? just in case he finds a different team?

[slick'81]

There is no one really left with cap space…so his value is at best MLE.

not in san antonio

[DPG21920]

And I am not kidding…If SA brings back DDR I am selling my season tickets.

[DPG21920]

not in san antonio

Then tell him to go play for the MLE. What is his threat? If you let me go, you’ll be out of the playoffs?

[slick'81]

And I am not kidding…If SA brings back DDR I am selling my season tickets.

no way:wow

[slick'81]

Then tell him to go play for the MLE. What is his threat? If you let me go, you’ll be out of the playoffs?


Im not brian wright. I dont know why they are pulling this shit

[timvp]

Duh,spurs are waiting on depression to determine his market value.Maybe there is still hope for a s&t,but given this roster construction they think they are a derozan away from the 8th seed:lol.

https://media.giphy.com/media/SHhUunfD9eSYURRoI4/source.gif

[JeffDuncan]

A restricted free agent may sign an offer sheet with a new team, although the 48-hour matching period does not begin until the conclusion of the Moratorium.

Found that in the CBA. So, for example, the Spurs could sign John Collins right now ... but the 48-hour clock doesn't begin until Friday. Thus, the strategy would be to wait until Friday to officially give him the offer sheet, right?

I mean, obviously, you don't get that much of an advantage by delaying it -- but even a slight advantage may be helpful. If you try to put a poison pill in the contract or something like that, you'd want the Hawks to have only 48 hours to look it over rather than like a week or whatever it'd be.


The Spurs won’t do anything like a poison pill. Recall that Wright was named “most honest gm” by his peers. He wouldn’t tarnish his rep.


Or from another perspective, the Spurs aren’t bright enough to fool anybody.

[timvp]

then why cant they sign him now, whats the point of open? just in case he finds a different team?

I'm sure DeRozan is still trying to convince someone he's still worth $15+ million.

[DPG21920]

I legit hate this FO. I have no idea how they can turn such a joyous off season into literally nightmare fuel. A lottery pick and tons of space and they zapped every single drop of hope and spark out of the fanbase. That is impressive.

[slick'81]

https://media.giphy.com/media/SHhUunfD9eSYURRoI4/source.gif

im literally watching koth right now :lolif i may demonstrate

[Robz4000]

:lol the meltdown when DePression is resigned is gonna be historic, and I'll be right there with everyone losing my shit.

[objective]

What poison pill could the Spurs put in there? A 15% trade kicker?

they could give him a player option on year 4. It's what Charlotte did when they signed Hayward to a max sheet. The Jazz matched, but Hayward never forgave them for making him go out and get the sheet instead of just paying him so he bolted after 3 years.

[Robz4000]

I legit hate this FO. I have no idea how they can turn such a joyous off season into literally nightmare fuel. A lottery pick and tons of space and they zapped every single drop of hope and spark out of the fanbase. That is impressive.

Might legit be a ploy to make moving from SA more feasible.

[Uriel]

A restricted free agent may sign an offer sheet with a new team, although the 48-hour matching period does not begin until the conclusion of the Moratorium.

Found that in the CBA. So, for example, the Spurs could sign John Collins right now ... but the 48-hour clock doesn't begin until Friday. Thus, the strategy would be to wait until Friday to officially give him the offer sheet, right?

I mean, obviously, you don't get that much of an advantage by delaying it -- but even a slight advantage may be helpful. If you try to put a poison pill in the contract or something like that, you'd want the Hawks to have only 48 hours to look it over rather than like a week or whatever it'd be.
Yeah, but the Spurs risk having Collins and the Hawks come to an agreement in the meantime.

[PhantomDashCam]

But I have a baaaad feeling that the Spurs are keeping that salary cap room open for DeRozan :pctoss

If that happens, I’m going to need an article on the 12 steps tbh :lol

[objective]

Yeah, but the Spurs risk having Collins and the Hawks come to an agreement in the meantime.

Also risk the Spurs doing something else stupid, like "doing right" by DeMar, whether that means a new deal or a sign and trade where the Spurs have to eat $20 million in bad players to be nice guys.

Also don't want to give the Spurs time to sign another injured player like Peckovic or Brandon Roy.

[offset formation]

Would this likely be a S&T with the Clippers?

Morris? lmao

[offset formation]

But I have a baaaad feeling that the Spurs are keeping that salary cap room open for DeRozan :pctoss

I've been saying it for hours but I'm getting clowned

[tbdog]

If Spurs max Collins and Hawks don't match, it's a pretty good off season. I know Timvp atm is drinking bleach but the team would be far more balanced than previous years. It looks increasingly obvious that Hawks are not giving Collins a max. They want him to sign a Jarred Allen dean, that 4 for 100mil type of deal or 5 for 120. They want his annual salary to be down towards the 20's and not the 30's. So the Hawks are waiting to see if anyone team would give him the max and if not then they get him at his deserving price.

That's not to say that the Hawks won't match him but it's clear they don't want to.

[Fusternino]

Yeah Hawks have a lot of mouths to feed and could just give Hunter more of Collins' minutes.

[Fusternino]

Sort of bewildering the Spurs never made an attempt to get either of the combo forward Greens. Or maybe they are just entirely uninterested in playing here?

[99 Problems]

:rollinIt’s still happening……Deliver it Brian like a sweet sermon to my suffering ears….

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Crater face and Wrong are going to blow the rest of the cap space on DDR and Mills for MAX CREAM. :td

[slick'81]

Crater face and Wrong are going to blow the rest of the cap space on DDR and Mills for MAX CREAM. :td


Yup,spurs are desperately trying to figure out how to squeeze demar/mills into that 30 mil,and run it back

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs and Hawks are gambling here. Market dries up, no other offers out there, sign player for lower salary. Now I really really hope the Spurs offer Collins the max. If we get him, that’s a successful offseason. But I somehow have the feeling that they are still trying to resign DeRozan and Patty Mills. Just put in the max offer for Collins and wait it out. Don’t make no moves until he signs a contract.

[duncan2150]

IMO Spurs Plan 1 J Collins 2 Markannen 3 Oubre. And then see Derozan.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ghill is a fa, maybe bring him back for peanuts

[slick'81]

Atl really is fckn around with jc. Spurs need to go ahead and send that offer in

poodle/ewwbanks
jc/luka/kbd
kj/dougie/wisencamp
murray/lonnie
white/tre/Vassell

ir-zach
primo suave
Jeffries?

[RC_Drunkford]

This would be the best rebounding team in the league with John Collins on the roster

[dbestpro]

People sometimes assume free agents do not want to come here because it is small market SA. I think it is more like they don't want to come here because it is small minded Pop.

[dbestpro]

Actually I think it would help on us not getting burned ad much on the fast break. Murray would not have to crash the boards and could get back on defense like the schemes we use to use.

[Rummpd]

I legit hate this FO. I have no idea how they can turn such a joyous off season into literally nightmare fuel. A lottery pick and tons of space and they zapped every single drop of hope and spark out of the fanbase. That is impressive.


Yes FO is a FARCE been saying that for three years but they taking it to a whole different level with a sublime draft choice then overpaying middling junk.

[XDT76]

Actually I think it would help on us not getting burned ad much on the fast break. Murray would not have to crash the boards and could get back on defense like the schemes we use to use.

This and he does not need to move towards the rim leaving his guy free to grab a long OR and launch another 3 when defending. I hate it when people say our guards can make for for the lack of rebound by our big. We gave up other things when the guards need to do the job of the big constantly.

[Dejounte]

I have this odd feeling now that DeMar for Collins is in play. If it doesn’t happen, oh well

current rotations

Murray/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Primo
Keldon/ Vassell/ KBD
McDermott/ Luka/ Wieskamp
Poetl/ Z. Collins/ Eubanks

[Dejounte]

If the Spurs aren’t involved in getting J Collins on their team, they are at the very least involved in being used as leverage by Collins’ agent. JC still has the upper hand in contract negotiations because of the Spurs. Otherwise, he would be getting really low extension offers by the Hawks and he’d have no choice and there would be no stalling. This is no coincidence.

[SpursRussia]

This would be the best rebounding team in the league with John Collins on the roster
And the worst rebounding team without him

[The Truth #6]

Our ghost lineup Wright is building. Feels like mafia money laundering.

Help me out.

C Marquees Chriss
PF Zach Collins
SF Demarre Carroll
SG ?
PG ?


Are there any guards we’re still paying who are unable to play?

[poopbox]

1. Collins here on the max or he is back in Atlanta for the max or near max. No one else has any money to pay him. It's a two team race at this point. Sign and Trade possible if a 3rd team is involved but somebody has to give that 3rd team something good like a draft pick or young player and not sure the spurs are hawks will want to do that.

2. Sign and Trade Lauri for Derozan. Spurs get a guy they have wanted and Derozan gets somewhat close to the money he wants.

3. If Sign and Trade for Lauri then enough money for one more player. Patty might come back for whatever is left.

[Uriel]

I have this odd feeling now that DeMar for Collins is in play. If it doesn’t happen, oh well

current rotations

Murray/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Primo
Keldon/ Vassell/ KBD
McDermott/ Luka/ Wieskamp
Poetl/ Z. Collins/ Eubanks
How would John Collins fit into that roster? Would adding him rectify the imbalances that have plagued us the last two seasons?

[Dejounte]

How would John Collins fit into that roster? Would adding him rectify the imbalances that have plagued us the last two seasons?

Collins starts and McDermott is the backup.

[RC_Drunkford]

How would John Collins fit into that roster? Would adding him rectify the imbalances that have plagued us the last two seasons?

Absolutely. Big man who’s mobile, shoots the 3, plays above the rim, great at rolling to the rim, can pick & pop and most importantly he’s great at running the break and doesn’t stall the offense. He’s not LaMarcus Aldridge where he needs iso post ups. He was averaging 20/10 the season before last and is only 23. He would get more touches here but we could play motion offense again and our spacing would be better. A Collins/White pick & roll would be deadly. Derrick would throw a lot of lob passes to him. The team would be way better if you replace DeRozan with Collins

[Degoat]

Regardless of what happens with Demar or JC, we still need some forwards with the loss of Rudy & Lyles right?

[KobesAchilles]

I hope we get Lauri. Fuck JCollins

[RC_Drunkford]

I have this odd feeling now that DeMar for Collins is in play.

I was thinking about that too. The question is who gets an asset and can other players be included or is it DeRozan for Collins straight up?

[RC_Drunkford]

Regardless of what happens with Demar or JC, we still need some forwards with the loss of Rudy & Lyles right?

Yes, but I guess Pop wants to play McDermott at the 4...

[LeBowen]

After giving it some thought, this board had a typical overreaction meltdown.

Is Brian Wright a bad GM? Yes, he's shown nothing to make us think otherwise.

But which free agents we missed out on? I don't see a single name that was a realistic target for us.

John Collins is obviously still in play and will be offered a max. He can't sign before Friday, anyway.

McDermott? A bit of an overpay, but when you're not a contender, that's to be expected. And considering the deals Duncan Robinson, THJ and some others got, it's a fair deal.
He's an upgrade over Rudy and Patty.

Zach Collins? I don't like this one because I don't think he'll ever be healthy again, especially because it's a 3 year deal, but it's not like cap space used on him would turn this roster in a contender.
On the other hand, if he does get healthy, he could even become a starter. Will be worth double the deal he got. Small market teams stuck in purgatory have to take risks. I don't like 3 year contract, but at least it's a risk instead of another average signing that wouldn't change anything.

There was not a single player we could get that would be a guaranteed thing and that would take this team to the next level.
It's all about the guys who're already on the roster and if they can take the next step.

If DJ, Derrick and Lonnie can't elevate their game now that Demar, Patty and Rudy aren't there to suffocate them and keep chucking, then no matter who we get in FA nothing will change.

The only big mistake was not trading those 3 on the deadline for some assets.

If we don't get Markkanen or Oubre, I'll call this FA a success.
Just take some bad expiring contracts and try again next year if Collins rejects us.

And don't bring back Patty or Demar.

Even if we get Collins, he's not a first option for a playoff team, it's still all on DJ, Derrick and Lonnie.

Either the young guys suck and we get a top10 pick or they improve. Win-win.

[Teamduncan21]

ahh someone who makes sense instead of just meltdown. we dont do that here.

though the ultimate meltdown will come once we sign back derozan

[mo7888]

1. Collins here on the max or he is back in Atlanta for the max or near max. No one else has any money to pay him. It's a two team race at this point. Sign and Trade possible if a 3rd team is involved but somebody has to give that 3rd team something good like a draft pick or young player and not sure the spurs are hawks will want to do that.

2. Sign and Trade Lauri for Derozan. Spurs get a guy they have wanted and Derozan gets somewhat close to the money he wants.

3. If Sign and Trade for Lauri then enough money for one more player. Patty might come back for whatever is left.

I think that's exactly where we are..

[mo7888]

I was thinking about that too. The question is who gets an asset and can other players be included or is it DeRozan for Collins straight up?

I think it would be straight up but unbalanced salaries.... Say Derozan at $15M and JC at the max.... they might be haggling over doing this and replacing Derozan with DJ or White depending on if they value Derozan's scoring or perimeter defense more. At any rate it'd be an unbalanced Trade. Also, if it were white or dj we'd have about $16M in space left to use elsewhere or work a S&T for DeRozan elsewhere to get back assets...

[CGD]

I think that's exactly where we are..

4. S&T DeRozan to WAS for Kuz & Deni. :-)

[RC_Drunkford]

I think it would be straight up but unbalanced salaries.... Say Derozan at $15M and JC at the max.... they might be haggling over doing this and replacing Derozan with DJ or White depending on if they value Derozan's scoring or perimeter defense more. At any rate it'd be an unbalanced Trade. Also, if it were white or dj we'd have about $16M in space left to use elsewhere or work a S&T for DeRozan elsewhere to get back assets...

I don’t think DeRozan at 16 million is realistic. More like DeRozan at 24 and Collins at 24 Million straight up or something like that. I‘m more than ok with that.

I‘m also not a fan of a Collins/DeRozan forward combo. That wouldn’t be ideal defensively and we all know that DeRozan hurts the spacing and needs the ball in his hand. Just roll with Collins and let DeMar leave.

[RC_Drunkford]

After giving it some thought, this board had a typical overreaction meltdown.

Is Brian Wright a bad GM? Yes, he's shown nothing to make us think otherwise.

But which free agents we missed out on? I don't see a single name that was a realistic target for us.

John Collins is obviously still in play and will be offered a max. He can't sign before Friday, anyway.

McDermott? A bit of an overpay, but when you're not a contender, that's to be expected. And considering the deals Duncan Robinson, THJ and some others got, it's a fair deal.
He's an upgrade over Rudy and Patty.

Zach Collins? I don't like this one because I don't think he'll ever be healthy again, especially because it's a 3 year deal, but it's not like cap space used on him would turn this roster in a contender.
On the other hand, if he does get healthy, he could even become a starter. Will be worth double the deal he got. Small market teams stuck in purgatory have to take risks. I don't like 3 year contract, but at least it's a risk instead of another average signing that wouldn't change anything.

There was not a single player we could get that would be a guaranteed thing and that would take this team to the next level.
It's all about the guys who're already on the roster and if they can take the next step.

If DJ, Derrick and Lonnie can't elevate their game now that Demar, Patty and Rudy aren't there to suffocate them and keep chucking, then no matter who we get in FA nothing will change.

The only big mistake was not trading those 3 on the deadline for some assets.

If we don't get Markkanen or Oubre, I'll call this FA a success.
Just take some bad expiring contracts and try again next year if Collins rejects us.

And don't bring back Patty or Demar.

Even if we get Collins, he's not a first option for a playoff team, it's still all on DJ, Derrick and Lonnie.

Either the young guys suck and we get a top10 pick or they improve. Win-win.

the thing is that won’t be the case. We either get Collins or they will resign DeRozan. No chance they gonna let him go if Collins is off the table.

Also if they would’ve just not signed anybody Spurs could sign Collins and still work out a sign-and-trade for DeRozan. That’s the thing. Or add Collins and still resign DeRozan since the market for him is that low. It all depends on if they get Collins. Then I wouldn’t be mad at the moves they made, but other than that this looks like a bad offseason so far

[LeBowen]

the thing is that won’t be the case. We either get Collins or they will resign DeRozan. No chance they gonna let him go if Collins is off the table.

Also if they would’ve just not signed anybody Spurs could sign Collins and still work out a sign-and-trade for DeRozan. That’s the thing. Or add Collins and still resign DeRozan since the market for him is that low. It all depends on if they get Collins. Then I wouldn’t be mad at the moves they made, but other than that this looks like a bad offseason so far


It's a bad offseason if Demar stays, but how can you call it bad right now? Which other moves were there to be made?

Imo, Dallas messed up badly and I can see KP for Demar S&T happening if we don't get Collins.

[Dejounte]

I don’t think DeRozan at 16 million is realistic. More like DeRozan at 24 and Collins at 24 Million straight up or something like that. I‘m more than ok with that

could be wrong but DeMar has no leverage to be picky about how much he thinks he should make

[mo7888]

I don’t think DeRozan at 16 million is realistic. More like DeRozan at 24 and Collins at 24 Million straight up or something like that. I‘m more than ok with that.

I‘m also not a fan of a Collins/DeRozan forward combo. That wouldn’t be ideal defensively and we all know that DeRozan hurts the spacing and needs the ball in his hand. Just roll with Collins and let DeMar leave.

I don't think Atlanta does it if the salaries are equal. They'd just keep JC in that scenario. I agree with you on not pairing Derozan and JC... I wouldn't want to see that pairing...if we got JC then Derozan needs to be part of the deal or head to another team.

[RC_Drunkford]

It's a bad offseason if Demar stays, but how can you call it bad right now? Which other moves were there to be made?

Imo, Dallas messed up badly and I can see KP for Demar S&T happening if we don't get Collins.

I would hate that move. I think they should’ve waited to be honest. You could’ve gotten Collins and Markkanen for example. The market dried up pretty fast, so players like Markkanen or Oubre (not that I‘m a fan of them) can be had for less than expected I assume. Plus more flexibility in doing sign-and-trades for DeRozan and Mills. I think that was the right move, not doing anything. Of course it all depends on what kind of deal they got on the table right now that we don’t know of. To me it’s all about Collins. That’s the only player that would move the needle

[Teamduncan21]

could be wrong but DeMar has no leverage to be picky about how much he thinks he should make

Spurs are just nice. But yeah he has no say as spurs can sign Collins outright. It's just being nice if we offer DeMar

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

https://i.ibb.co/s6k3ddW/simpsyacht.jpg

[Ocotillo]

Looks like there are still plenty of options on the table at this point.

Max offer to Collins, see what happens
S&T Derozz to Atlanta for Collins
S&T Derozz to Chicago for Lauri
Offer to Lauri
S&T Derozz to Toronto for Siakam
Offer to Lauri and 2nd offer to Oubre
S&T Derozz 3 way deal involving Miami
and on and on

[Dejounte]

IF there is a trade for Collins, I think Samanic is part of the deal.

[Mugen]

So much chatter and giving way too much credit to the worst FO in the league about some possible creative moves :lol

They're bringing Demar back and calling it an offseason, just wait tbh.

It's disgusting how many former Spurs front office guys are around the league while this team is left with a couple of TOSB has-beens and a guy that is completely out of his element in Brian Wrong. Just embarrassing :lol

[Mugen]

could be wrong but DeMar has no leverage to be picky about how much he thinks he should make

Lack of leverage on the player's side has never, ever prevented this dumbass FO from shooting themselves in the foot tbh :lol

[Dverde]

Waiting for that Reggie Jackson 3 year/24 Million contract for The Spurs :lol

[DPG21920]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

[The Truth #6]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

Yes.

[szkorhetz]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan
Why would we need Young?

[DPG21920]

Why would we need Young?

To make the S&T work and he’s off the books next season

[Dennis the Menace]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

No not Dejounte. More like Samanic or Walker.

Dejounte, White, Keldon, Vassell are the franchise pieces

[ginobilized]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

At least one Spurs fan would be ok with this.
I’d guess ATL needs another asset to bring this deal home.

[mo7888]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

Yup

[DPG21920]

At least one Spurs fan would be ok with this.
I’d guess ATL needs another asset to bring this deal home.

No way. Spurs can simply sign Collins outright; them getting Murray is way more than enough imo

[CGD]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

Assuming that trade actually works, I’d do it.

I just don’t see how DDR fits with Caruso, Ball, Levine though.

[DPG21920]

Assuming that trade actually works, I’d do it.

I just don’t see how DDR fits with Caruso, Ball, Levine though.

DDR fit with anyone is questionable; but some one will gamble on his strengths. Chi needs talent and turning Thad into DDR for similar annual money prob seems appealing given their realistic options at who is available in FA/Trades

[The Truth #6]

More and more, the plan is not to have an obvious plan, it seems.

Guessing, but it feels like they are making decisions based on:

Finding character players.
Maintaining the family.
Alcoholism.
Pride.
Catholic fatalism.

They always said getting Duncan (and Manu and Parker) was luck, so I think they don’t expect any plan will definitively get them a star. So, let’s be good people and find good people and see what happens.

That sounds ridiculous but we are in a ridiculous situation.

I think they equate trades to a divorce and good character people don’t do that.


Joking?

[Dennis the Menace]

Walker or Samanic + Derozan.

But that doesn’t even need to happen. Just make the max offer

[Leetonidas]

Wonder when we'll hear anything. Spurs sitting with about 30 mil in space still and there's there's zero noise on our FAs and Collins/Hawks

[mo7888]

If we can't get JC and if we can't or decide against getting Lauri... I wouldn't be opposed to acquiring Ingles from Utah and using the remaining space to absorb bad contracts for assets.

[mo7888]

Wonder when we'll hear anything. Spurs sitting with about 30 mil in space still and there's there's zero noise on our FAs and Collins/Hawks

My guess is Friday

[DPG21920]

Assuming that trade actually works, I’d do it.

I just don’t see how DDR fits with Caruso, Ball, Levine though.

The trade works if Derozan salary is near Thads (14-16M)

[GreekSpursfan]

I live far away and i still don't see how John Collins is gonna want to come to SA, i give it 0% chance and i don't understand how some of you guys even think this a realistic scenario. We are very far from contention, light years away and that's why i understand the Zack Collins signing.

[The Truth #6]

I’m preparing for a DDR return. But if he’s the centerpiece you have to surround him with 3/D players at every other position. They would have needed Dieng, and traded Yak and Dejounte.

I wonder if we are already done. I mean, have we met the salary floor yet?

[RC_Drunkford]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

Spurs are giving up too much. I'd rather move White to Indiana for Myles Turner or something like that

[CGD]

Wonder when we'll hear anything. Spurs sitting with about 30 mil in space still and there's there's zero noise on our FAs and Collins/Hawks

The John Collins thing is the domino that needs to fall for more robust activity league wide today.

Spurs at the center of many of the big things that flow from it:

1. Lauri situation;
2. DeRozen’s future now money died up; and
3. fringe signing like Gay and Mills held up.
4. Oubre’s dream of a payday

[LeBowen]

I live far away and i still don't see how John Collins is gonna want to come to SA, i give it 0% chance and i don't understand how some of you guys even think this a realistic scenario. We are very far from contention, light years away and that's why i understand the Zack Collins signing.

Imo, it's obvious that he doesn't want to just sit in the corner while Trae dribbles for 20 seconds every single possession.
He'd be the first option for the Spurs, 1A-1B worst case scenario and didn't someone mention he has family in SA?


Spurs are giving up too much. I'd rather move White to Indiana for Myles Turner or something like that

That's a trade that would make both teams better.

[mo7888]

Rudy to the Jazz

[Chomag]

I think this FO thinks they are much more clever then they really are. They are either lazy , complacent, or just plain incompetent at being imaginative. Here I thought the mid 89's to 90's FO was bad...my god lol

[Leetonidas]

There goes 1 of the three vets

[Dejounte]

Bye Rudy! Thank god. Tired of his low bbiq ass

[Leetonidas]

Rudy is the only one I kinda hoped would return since the Spurs need a vet or two. Wish him well but if he wants a ring he chose to wrong team

[John B]

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1422578398841409537?s=21

Free agent Rudy Gay has agreed to a deal with the Utah Jazz, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

[Chomag]

I can't believe we may still be stuck with Defozen...

[DPG21920]

I agree. I’d rather keep DJ. But if they are high on Collins and the only way ATL doesn’t match means giving up DJ? Getting a lightly protected first from a meh team isn’t bad.

And it also gives SA 15m in cap space more next year (basically it’s like not signing doug + Zach)

[Dennis the Menace]

I agree. I’d rather keep DJ. But if they are high on Collins and the only way ATL doesn’t match means giving up DJ? Getting a lightly protected first from a meh team isn’t bad.

And it also gives SA 15m in cap space more next year (basically it’s like not signing doug + Zach)

Seeing as to how BAD the front office is at using cap space… this would be a bad thing and do not want. Lol

[Teamduncan21]

I live far away and i still don't see how John Collins is gonna want to come to SA, i give it 0% chance and i don't understand how some of you guys even think this a realistic scenario. We are very far from contention, light years away and that's why i understand the Zack Collins signing.


He don't get to decide. He will go to highest bidder. He is rfa.

By being RFA what he wants is most money. Other reasons don't matter as much. While we don't want to bring in players against their will. But RFA means whoever offers most wins

[Russ]

I live far away and i still don't see how John Collins is gonna want to come to SA, i give it 0% chance and i don't understand how some of you guys even think this a realistic scenario. We are very far from contention, light years away and that's why i understand the Zack Collins signing.

I tend to agree. I doubt Collins has any interest in playing for the Spurs.

The only way Collins comes to the Spurs is to get money that Atl won't offer, not because he likes playing for the Spurs -- but it could happen in theory.

Spurs give Collins a max offer because Atl won't, then, unexpectedly, Atl doesn't match.

It's a longshot. But the bottom line is, even if it happened, it wouldn't be based upon any real desire by Collins to play for the Spurs. Ironically, that's what gives it an outside chance.

[DPG21920]

If Zach Collins is functionally a 2 year deal I would rather have him than Rudy. If it’s full 3, Rudy at 2/12 is a way better deal

[spurspl]

gimme jahlih okafor, he brought four 1st picks in last six seasons to his team!!

[Excessive Egotist]

Spurs have some stuff going for them right now. 1) There is a chance the lack of an offer to Collins will sour the Collins/Hawks relationship. 2) Some kind of DeMar sign and trade is more likely now that no one has money left. 3) Oubre + Mills or some such is still available if Hawks resign Collins. 4) Could do something like White + 2 picks for Simmons, if that is still in play. 5) Could go into season with 30M space to use in the future trade demand market.

White plus picks for Simmons is an offer I'd make. Not only would Spurs land Simmons, but they'd get another 12M or so in space they could use on the DeMar sign and trade market. They could turn that into Simmons and a rotation player.

[duncan2150]

I tend to agree. I doubt Collins has any interest in playing for the Spurs.

The only way Collins comes to the Spurs is to get money that Atl won't offer, not because he likes playing for the Spurs -- but it could happen in theory.

Spurs give Collins a max offer because Atl won't, then, unexpectedly, Atl doesn't match.

It's a longshot. But the bottom line is, even if it happened, it wouldn't be based upon any real desire by Collins to play for the Spurs. Ironically, that's what gives it an outside chance.

I think Collins just wants the bigger contract.

[The Truth #6]

I think I’m glad Rudy is gone. More potential minutes for either Eubanks or Luka, though we have to see how McDermott is utilized.

[The Truth #6]

I think I’m glad Rudy is gone. More potential minutes for either Eubanks or Luka, though we have to see how McDermott is utilized.

[CGD]

If Zach Collins is functionally a 2 year deal I would rather have him than Rudy. If it’s full 3, Rudy at 2/12 is a way better deal

I think it will be. Either a team option or partial in the 3rd year.

[The Truth #6]

The challenge will be when they pick up the extra years even though he’s injured.

[8FOR!3]

I tend to agree. I doubt Collins has any interest in playing for the Spurs.

The only way Collins comes to the Spurs is to get money that Atl won't offer, not because he likes playing for the Spurs -- but it could happen in theory.

Spurs give Collins a max offer because Atl won't, then, unexpectedly, Atl doesn't match.

It's a longshot. But the bottom line is, even if it happened, it wouldn't be based upon any real desire by Collins to play for the Spurs. Ironically, that's what gives it an outside chance.

Can we still afford a Mac contract after Doug/Zach?

[CGD]

I think Collins just wants the bigger contract.

I agree. I think ATL wants him at 100/4 (10m more than last years offer), and he’s looking for more even if not the full 120m max.

[rankingtear]

He don't get to decide. He will go to highest bidder. He is rfa.

By being RFA what he wants is most money. Other reasons don't matter as much. While we don't want to bring in players against their will. But RFA means whoever offers most wins
What?

[rjv]

george hill is getting waived. (not interested, of course)

[Notorious H.O.P.]

That JC didn't sign anyone's max deal already means he really wants to stay in ATL. A young team with possible years of contention in front of them, that he is familiar with, and already got the taste of a deep playoff run. I love SA but Atlanta is a great city also and more friendly to a young man's lifestyle.

He'll use the possibility of signing a max offer sheet to get what he wants out of the Hawks. It may not wind up being a full max but it will be close enough where he's happy. But if all he wants is the money and ATL doesn't come close enough, he'll sign with us and hope ATL matches because it's clear that he'd much rather be there than here.

[duncan2150]

I agree. I think ATL wants him at 100/4 (10m more than last years offer), and he’s looking for more even if not the full 120m max.

Exactly, if that was not the case he would be a Hawk yesterday.

[mo7888]

george hill is getting waived. (not interested, of course)

I'd guess he goes to Milwaukee or one of the LA teams

[duncan2150]

That JC didn't sign anyone's max deal already means he really wants to stay in ATL. A young team with possible years of contention in front of them, that he is familiar with, and already got the taste of a deep playoff run. I love SA but Atlanta is a great city also and more friendly to a young man's lifestyle.

He'll use the possibility of signing a max offer sheet to get what he wants out of the Hawks. It may not wind up being a full max but it will be closer enough where he's happy. But if all he wants is the money and ATL doesn't come closer enough, he'll sign with us and hope ATL matches because it's clear that need much rather be there than here.

I think that's the opposite, that means he is not agree with the hawks and you don't have a lot of teams who can give him a max.
I think he prefers the Hawks but if he doesn't have a good contract he could sign an offersheet elsewhere to make them match.

[R. DeMurre]

Now that the Spurs are already invested, I actually hope the Z Collins contract is for 3 years without a player option. He's a gamble based on his foot health, but if the gamble pays off and he has a very good 2022/23 season, he'll probably be worth more than $7mil... in which case, he'd opt out for a bigger contract. No point in playing the gamble if there's not at least the reward of seeing it pay out a little.

[mo7888]

Atlanta interest in Paul Millsaps...could be a prelude to sending JC to us...

[RC_Drunkford]

The Zach Collins contract should be backloaded with a team-option, not a player option

[Teamduncan21]

What?

Restricted free agent means he will go to highest bidder with hawks having the right to match.

So as long as a team gives him a huge ass contract. Atlanta can match. If they didn't. Then Collins will go to that team.

He doesn't need reasons. Money is the reason

[CGD]

Atlanta interest in Paul Millsaps...could be a prelude to sending JC to us...

Hmm

[KDKSpurs24]

Restricted free agent means he will go to highest bidder with hawks having the right to match.

So as long as a team gives him a huge ass contract. Atlanta can match. If they didn't. Then Collins will go to that team.

He doesn't need reasons.

This isn’t true. If he doesn’t want to play in San Antonio he doesn’t have to take their offer at all. Spurs can offer max and he can decline. It’s true most players will take the most money but it doesn’t have to be the case. Hell he could accept a Hawks contract for lower money than our max if he wanted to stay but something like that rarely happens.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Restricted free agent means he will go to highest bidder with hawks having the right to match.

So as long as a team gives him a huge ass contract. Atlanta can match. If they didn't. Then Collins will go to that team.

He doesn't need reasons. Money is the reason

It's his option to sign an offer sheet with whatever team he wants at whatever money they offer him. He's not forced to go anywhere unless Atlanta trades him.

[pad300]

Would Spurs fans be ok with this:

SA Gets: John Collins + Thad Young + top 5 protected first from CHI

ATL Gets: Dejounte

CHI Gets: Derozan

That first would have to be many years away; CHI is locked up for trading picks after the Vucevic deal.

[rjv]

I'd guess he goes to Milwaukee or one of the LA teams

with rodney hood going to the bucks, i think that rules him out there but the other could be in play. nice pick up for milwaukee, getting hood, though.

[poopbox]

Lamarcus - nobody would trade for him. retire for health reasons

Demar - no team with cap room ended up singing him. Will have to be part of a sign and trade or take whatever money is left from a team.

Rudy - his two year deal in Utah is less than his deal last year with San Antonio

Patty - being pursued by teams with virtually no cap space

Our 4 veteran players over the last few years and virtually no one in the nba wants to sign any of them either at all or for anything above the MLE

PATFO :lmao

[rankingtear]

Lamarcus - nobody would trade for him. retire for health reasons

Demar - no team with cap room ended up singing him. Will have to be part of a sign and trade or take whatever money is left from a team.

Rudy - his two year deal in Utah is less than his deal last year with San Antonio

Patty - being pursued by teams with virtually no cap space

Our 4 veteran players over the last few years and virtually no one in the nba wants to sign any of them either at all or for anything above the MLE

PATFO :lmao
And yet fans think we can get 4 first rounders for them.

[rankingtear]

Lamarcus - nobody would trade for him. retire for health reasons

Demar - no team with cap room ended up singing him. Will have to be part of a sign and trade or take whatever money is left from a team.

Rudy - his two year deal in Utah is less than his deal last year with San Antonio

Patty - being pursued by teams with virtually no cap space

Our 4 veteran players over the last few years and virtually no one in the nba wants to sign any of them either at all or for anything above the MLE

PATFO :lmao
And yet fans think we can get 4 first rounders for them.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Current recap.

Sam Dekker to Raptors
Nemanja Bjelica to Warriors
Bruce Brown takes QO from Nets
Rodney Hood to Bucks
James Johnson to Nets

[Teamduncan21]

Who still have cap to offer JC max?

[LeBowen]

Who still have cap to offer JC max?

Noone except for us and OKC.
Charlotte has like 13 million left and Pels around 8.

I want Collins just because that would mean Demar is certainly gone.
If we don't get him, then Demar either stays or is a part of S&T, because noone can offer him anything more than MLE.

[Chinook]

Spurs are giving up too much. I'd rather move White to Indiana for Myles Turner or something like that

Wait, that's giving up more for a worse player...

[Joseph Kony]

Drummond to the Sixers

[R. DeMurre]

Current recap.

Sam Dekker to Raptors
Nemanja Bjelica to Warriors
Bruce Brown takes QO from Nets
Rodney Hood to Bucks
James Johnson to Nets

Bjelica to Golden State for the minimum is great for them... Right now they're at 11-1 odds on a championship for next year-- and they'll probably have a healthy Steph, Klay, & Draymond plus a bunch of pieces plus an extremely proactive FO with deep pockets.

[spurraider21]

"Intensive care unit of Zach Collins", someone start a thread.

Can't make this up.
still mad the mods edited my "Oncology Clinic of Demar DeRozan" thread

[rjv]

drummond to the 76ers

[Joseph Kony]

Bjelica to Golden State for the minimum is great for them... Right now they're at 11-1 odds on a championship for next year-- and they'll probably have a healthy Steph, Klay, & Draymond plus a bunch of pieces plus an extremely proactive FO with deep pockets.
they dont have infinite money, and their FO has been trash since West left. Bob Myers is living off reputation at this point. and Klay coming from back to back season ending injuries while Donkey is already declining...I see them as a 2nd round exit unless they package their young guys for an all star

[RC_Drunkford]

Wait, that's giving up more for a worse player...

don’t tell me you think Thad Young is better than Myles Turner...

[Teamduncan21]

This torture is going to extend til end of week. Not good

[Gobigorgohome]

Its going to the end of the week because they are brining uncle back lol

[Degoat]

Welp…. No news has got to be news at least right? Lol I think if we wanted Kelly Oubre or Markkanen they’d be spurs right now, it’s gotta be a standoff between the hawks & spurs

[DPG21920]

don’t tell me you think Thad Young is better than Myles Turner...

No. He thinks white is better than Murray and that a lottery pick is better than Turner.

[R. DeMurre]

they dont have infinite money, and their FO has been trash since West left.

I was a big fan of Jason Preston in the draft, so I was happy to see the Clips trade for him on draft day. I imagine West liked what he saw from Preston too.

[spurraider21]

Welp…. No news has got to be news at least right? Lol I think if we wanted Kelly Oubre or Markkanen they’d be spurs right now, it’s gotta be a standoff between the hawks & spurs
yeah, from here on out no news is definitely good news. only teams with enough cap space to throw max (or near max) offers at collins are the spurs and thunder, as far as i understand. will then come down to whether hawks would match. the news that they "arent close" to agreeing with collins appears to be pretty good news as well, since it looks like he's holding out for max or near max money and they dont currently want to pay that.

they might just be testing the market and hoping he doenst get a max offer, but would match if he did get one. impossible to truly read

[mo7888]

The Chicago Bulls continue to show interest in DeMar DeRozan, per windhorstESPN on ESPN.

"The Bulls are swinging hard. They are trying to make DeRozan happen."

[Leetonidas]

yeah, from here on out no news is definitely good news. only teams with enough cap space to throw max (or near max) offers at collins are the spurs and thunder, as far as i understand. will then come down to whether hawks would match. the news that they "arent close" to agreeing with collins appears to be pretty good news as well, since it looks like he's holding out for max or near max money and they dont currently want to pay that.

they might just be testing the market and hoping he doenst get a max offer, but would match if he did get one. impossible to truly read

Agree. Doesn't seem like OKC is high on him and Spurs are the only other team that can offer a max now so until we hear he's resigned with Atlanta we can all assume spurs are pushing to sign him. The news of him and Atlanta being far apart on talks is a great sign, coupled with their recent draft and signing of bigs :tu

[rankingtear]

1422619569634615297

Twin towers 2.0

[Atl Spur]

Welp…. No news has got to be news at least right? Lol I think if we wanted Kelly Oubre or Markkanen they’d be spurs right now, it’s gotta be a standoff between the hawks & spurs

I’m not to sure that’s their target.....

[spurraider21]

its been a while since i had a solid understanding of NBA cap rules, last time i really went into that dive was during the big LMA summer.

can a derozan/bulls S&T be executed while still being able to get collins on an offer sheet?

[Russ]

The Chicago Bulls continue to show interest in DeMar DeRozan, per windhorstESPN on ESPN.

"The Bulls are swinging hard. They are trying to make DeRozan happen."

Having observed the situation for a couple of years, I'm not sure anyone can really do that.