Official 2021 Free Agency Day Thread (Begins at 5PM CT)

[Fusternino]

Pretty sure Eubanks is getting moved or waived.

[Atl Spur]

Milutinov :cry we’ll miss you bro

Just might get to play after all .

[Atl Spur]

Milutinov :cry we’ll miss you bro

Just might get to play after all .

[JeffDuncan]

Doesn't it make sense to acquire Hutchinson first if he will just be waived?


I couldn’t help noticing the story mentions the draft pick first:

“SAN ANTONIO (Aug. 6, 2021) – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have acquired a 2022 second round draft pick and Chandler Hutchison...”

We got a second round pick! Oh yeah, and also this guy. Sure sounds like a waive is imminent.

[timvp]

I couldn’t help noticing the story mentions the draft pick first:

“SAN ANTONIO (Aug. 6, 2021) – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have acquired a 2022 second round draft pick and Chandler Hutchison...”

We got a second round pick! Oh yeah, and also this guy. Sure sounds like a waive is imminent.

:lol Good eye. That wording and the TikTok videos make it all but certain he'll be waived. I mean, you might as well wait until training camp to see what he looks like but I can't even imagine what would happen in San Antonio if he came running out of the tunnel making a TikTok video, tbh.

[SAGirl]

When Thad Young was included in the Bulls deal it gave the impression he’d be the Rudy Gay replacement. Implying the Spurs would keep him. We’ll see.
I thought the same, that Spurs specifically asked for him, but then information leaked that Markannen wanted too much, and that’s why the Spurs pivoted to McDermott… In that case they may not be as hot on Young as I thought but it’s tough to tell.

[SpurPadre]

Pretty sure Eubanks is getting moved or waived.

He's likely played his last NBA game for the rest of his career unless we keep him lol.

[John B]

I thought the same, that Spurs specifically asked for him, but then information leaked that Markannen wanted too much, and that’s why the Spurs pivoted to McDermott… In that case they may not be as hot on Young as I thought but it’s tough to tell.
Do we really need another C? Unless we were moving Poeltl.

[SAGirl]

Do we really need another C? Unless we were moving Poeltl.
I don’t know at this point what they are doing with their extra players vs roster spots situation… Moving him makes sense, specially when they signed Jock.

[JeffDuncan]

Do we really need another C? Unless we were moving Poeltl.


Young? He’s been listed as PF his entire career. Or have I missed what you mean?

[mo7888]

Young? He’s been listed as PF his entire career. Or have I missed what you mean?

He played effective minutes as a small ball C last season...

[Dejounte]

Jeffries is off of the official roster page on spurs.com
https://www.nba.com/spurs/roster

so is Quinndary

[JeffDuncan]

He played effective minutes as a small ball C last season...


Oh, ok. It makes him sound even more like Rudy.

[John B]

Young? He’s been listed as PF his entire career. Or have I missed what you mean?

I mean now on Lauri, since we already acquired Jock (and as you said Young). Unless there’s a trade to move Poeltl as part of a package.

[Dex]

Jeffries is off of the official roster page on spurs.com
https://www.nba.com/spurs/roster

so is Quinndary

I don't see them on there, though I do still see DeMar listed.

Spurs have never been known for their stellar web content.

[cjw]

I don't see them on there, though I do still see DeMar listed.

Spurs have never been known for their stellar web content.

Maybe deals haven’t officially been completed yet (still trying to string together S&Ts)

[JeffDuncan]

I mean now on Lauri, since we already acquired Jock (and as you said Young). Unless there’s a trade to move Poeltl as part of a package.


Oh, Lauri. I think if the Spurs were going to get him, he would have been part of the DDR deal.

I doubt there will be any move with Poeltl. Zollins can’t play at this time, and Jock hasn’t played a minute in the NBA. Those two are only players on paper until they show something.

[heyheymymy]

If they somehow pull in Turner from IND I'll take back every bad thing I said

I love what Turner can do and think what could be possible with him in SA

[PrimeMinister]

Spurs could have gotten Lauri but his agent seems to lead on the spurs didn’t even try to get him, which makes sense considering the fact he’s a positionally unviable big man who isn’t exactly revered in Chicago.

the moves have been made minus the roster management cuts and releasing dead weight that will happen closer to the season.

Spurs proximity to a playoff spot near the deadline will determine if Thad stays or gets moved. If they are in the hunt for a spot and he is contributing they keep him.

[Fusternino]

Is it possible KBD was re-signed as a two way for consecutive years?

[Dejounte]

IMO, keep Keldon at PF

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/keldon-johnson-and-draymond-green-of-the-usa-mens-national-team-pose-picture-id1234543755?s=2048x2048

[pad300]

I begin to suspect that we will apply for a disabled player exception for Zollins and have him rehab for a year... I believe that would free a roster spot (and IIRC it comes with some sort of a salary cap exception, which might explain the money for Forbes).

[pad300]

IMO, keep Keldon at PF

You only keep Keldon at PF if he can't bring the skills or mobility to be an SF. His size and strength gives him a advantage vs most SF's, whereas he is often at a disadvantage vs PF's.

[Dejounte]

You only keep Keldon at PF if he can't bring the skills or mobility to be an SF. His size and strength gives him a advantage vs most SF's, whereas he is often at a disadvantage vs PF's.

I think the disadvantage is overstated. I recall very few players who clearly outmatched Keldon at PF, one of them being Giannis. Other than him, I don’t recall too many. Even John Collins had a piss poor outing against Keldon. I think when there’s a clear mismatch, yes, you switch him down. Otherwise, use him as a PF most of the way.

[TimDunkem]

You only keep Keldon at PF if he can't bring the skills or mobility to be an SF. His size and strength gives him a advantage vs most SF's, whereas he is often at a disadvantage vs PF's.
People are already calling McDermott one of our better forwards. If McDingleberry is a sufficient PF these days, Keldon most certainly is. Obviously, you make moves based on matchups, but KJ at PF shouldn't be a huge disadvantage most of the time.

Don't get me wrong though. I definitely wish we had a guy like John Collins manning that spot...but whatever.

[JeffDuncan]

I don't see them on there, though I do still see DeMar listed.

Spurs have never been known for their stellar web content.


The NBA has to give its approval for everything involving players. And teams, for that matter. The NBA keeps track of team cap status, player draft rights, and all of the doodah that’s in the CBA. Even dropping a low-paid player has to be approved, to insure all is correct. When the official approval comes back, the roster gets updated. Until the Spurs get that official approval, nothing has happened.

Jeffries and Quinndary wouldn’t take long. Check the numbers, update the player files in the database, stamp it OK. The approval comes back, update the roster.

The DDR deal would take a while. Two teams, multiple players, large amounts of money. That’ll take more time.

Bureaucracy, paperwork. Hey, it keeps people employed in our service economy.

[timvp]

I begin to suspect that we will apply for a disabled player exception for Zollins and have him rehab for a year... I believe that would free a roster spot (and IIRC it comes with some sort of a salary cap exception, which might explain the money for Forbes).

Can't do that. Injury has to happen while player is under contract. For example, the Clippers can't get an exception for Kawhi because he opted out to sign a new contract.

Maybe if Zollins' ankle cracks for a fourth time then, yeah, it's possible.

[Dex]

Can't do that. Injury has to happen while player is under contract. For example, the Clippers can't get an exception for Kawhi because he opted out to sign a new contract.

Maybe if Zollins' ankle cracks for a fourth time then, yeah, it's possible.

Kawhi really fucked them over on that one, just to decide to re-sign instead of signing an extension.

Just Kawhi doing Kawhi things.

[John B]

I think the disadvantage is overstated. I recall very few players who clearly outmatched Keldon at PF, one of them being Giannis. Other than him, I don’t recall too many. Even John Collins had a piss poor outing against Keldon. I think when there’s a clear mismatch, yes, you switch him down. Otherwise, use him as a PF most of the way.

As many have mentioned (or made excuse for Poeltl :lol) it’s the smaller or lack of help in the PF position that causes Poeltl to help and gets out of position. I rather put Jock in the PF position. He seems to have lateral speed to cover perimeter. A Jock and Poeltl in the paint would be a formidable defense. Not to mention Keldon, DJ and White. Damn, that’s a great defensive SL.

[rankingtear]

As many have mentioned (or made excuse for Poeltl :lol) it’s the smaller or lack of help in the PF position that causes Poeltl to help and gets out of position. I rather put Jock in the PF position. He seems to have lateral speed to cover perimeter. A Jock and Poeltl in the paint would be a formidable defense. Not to mention Keldon, DJ and White. Damn, that’s a great defensive SL.

Too slow. Inability of the perimeter players to stay in front of their man causes Poeltl to help more and you want Jock a center defending the modern 4 who are mostly wings.

[mo7888]

Does the investigation of the tampering issue have any impact on our sign & trades?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1424069846065721358?s=19

[Drom John]

Didn't Demar make similar money? This market overall is insane...and Lowry has bigger avocados. Can actually hit a clutch shot.

NBA.com 2020/21 Clutch points, top 100

1) 160 pts Damian Lillard
2) 150 Bradley Beal
3) 140 DeMar DeRozan
4T) 131 Nikola Jokic, Russell Westbrook

47) 56 Dejounte Murray

55) 46 Kyle Lowry

86T) 33 Kyle Anderson, Saddiq Bey, Bojan Bogdanovic, Rui Hachimora, Patty Mills, Norman Powell, Immanuel Quickley, Christian Wood, Thaddeus Young

[timvp]

Does the investigation of the tampering issue have any impact on our sign & trades?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1424069846065721358?s=19

There may be some trickle down impacts if the NBA decides to reverse some of those transactions. Obviously teams (specifically Miami and Chicago) were tampering before the free agency period started. I'm hoping Silver drops the hammer because otherwise teams will keep doing it. (And, obviously, because our CREAM Team would be one of the last teams to tamper. Gotta level the playing field.)

Could any of the Spurs' deals get undone? Probably not. Maybe the DeRozan sign-and-trade but that came late enough that you'd think the NBA would have a difficult time proving anything happened there.

[JeffDuncan]

There may be some trickle down impacts if the NBA decides to reverse some of those transactions. Obviously teams (specifically Miami and Chicago) were tampering before the free agency period started. I'm hoping Silver drops the hammer because otherwise teams will keep doing it. (And, obviously, because our CREAM Team would be one of the last teams to tamper. Gotta level the playing field.)

Could any of the Spurs' deals get undone? Probably not. Maybe the DeRozan sign-and-trade but that came late enough that you'd think the NBA would have a difficult time proving anything happened there.


Lonzo Ball is a client of, wait for it, Rich Paul & Klutch. But DDR is not.

[JeffDuncan]

NBA.com 2020/21 Clutch points, top 100

1) 160 pts Damian Lillard
2) 150 Bradley Beal
3) 140 DeMar DeRozan
4T) 131 Nikola Jokic, Russell Westbrook

47) 56 Dejounte Murray

55) 46 Kyle Lowry
...


Are those numbers corrected for games played, or for possessions? DDR played in 61 games but Lowry only 46. (NBA . com doesn’t like something about my apps and I refuse to change for them.)

[Eaglenole2002]

Honestly, who cares about tampering? Every team does it. Now if it started during the regular season, that’s a problem.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think the disadvantage is overstated. I recall very few players who clearly outmatched Keldon at PF, one of them being Giannis. Other than him, I don’t recall too many. Even John Collins had a piss poor outing against Keldon. I think when there’s a clear mismatch, yes, you switch him down. Otherwise, use him as a PF most of the way.

Porzingus abused him.

[Teamduncan21]

Does the investigation of the tampering issue have any impact on our sign & trades?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1424069846065721358?s=19

The bulls pick. Hope it doesn't get forfeited. It's ours now

[John B]

How long does it normally take for all these trades to take place? Or does it stop on weekends?

[pad300]

I think the disadvantage is overstated. I recall very few players who clearly outmatched Keldon at PF, one of them being Giannis. Other than him, I don’t recall too many. Even John Collins had a piss poor outing against Keldon. I think when there’s a clear mismatch, yes, you switch him down. Otherwise, use him as a PF most of the way.

Even if you think that disadvantage isn't all that big, it's still worth it if Keldon can play down because Keldon'll be more able to leverage the advantage his strength gives him vs SF's.

[mo7888]

There may be some trickle down impacts if the NBA decides to reverse some of those transactions. Obviously teams (specifically Miami and Chicago) were tampering before the free agency period started. I'm hoping Silver drops the hammer because otherwise teams will keep doing it. (And, obviously, because our CREAM Team would be one of the last teams to tamper. Gotta level the playing field.)

Could any of the Spurs' deals get undone? Probably not. Maybe the DeRozan sign-and-trade but that came late enough that you'd think the NBA would have a difficult time proving anything happened there.

Agreed on dropping the hammer...it's in our benefit and really a benefit for all small market teams I'd think..

[GAustex]

Others said but I will reiterate
Keldon at PF hurts rim defense and rebounding. A taller PF is preferable who can shoot and defend (asking a lot I know) and rebound and Keldon at SF.

[Degoat]

Any ideas on the hold up for why some of the signings haven’t become official yet?

[Robz4000]

Any ideas on the hold up for why some of the signings haven’t become official yet?

Prolly waiting on Pop to decide if he's coming back.

[Degoat]

Don’t know if it means anything but Kieth Smith tweeted the spurs renounced the rights to daquan Jeffries & weatherspoon

[JeffDuncan]

Any ideas on the hold up for why some of the signings haven’t become official yet?

Hold up? The signing period began yesterday, the 6th at noon ET.

[slick'81]

Don’t know if it means anything but Kieth Smith tweeted the spurs renounced the rights to daquan Jeffries & weatherspoon


Just trimming the fat

[JeffDuncan]

Don’t know if it means anything but Kieth Smith tweeted the spurs renounced the rights to daquan Jeffries & weatherspoon

It was noted earlier in this thread that they’re off the official roster.

[Teamduncan21]

I think someone mentioned there is clearly tampering the fact that they agreed in like few minutes after free agency. It might be similar to bogdanovic deal last year.

Also some just get around it like lebron tampers around. Since he is a player so there's no rules to that.

[Fusternino]

Still nothing going on with Chriss.

[rankingtear]

“The Spurs had interest in Lauri Markkanen. They have had interest in Lauri Markkanen for a long time. He fits the profile of the kind of player they like – international player, shooter, still in development but they can develop him. But, from what I understand, Markkanen just wanted so much money that the Spurs were like ‘we can’t pay that.'”

Heard on Locked on Bulls he is asking for more than 20.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/KevinMcCNBA/status/1424034088797802501?s=20

[venitian navigator]

“The Spurs had interest in Lauri Markkanen. They have had interest in Lauri Markkanen for a long time. He fits the profile of the kind of player they like – international player, shooter, still in development but they can develop him. But, from what I understand, Markkanen just wanted so much money that the Spurs were like ‘we can’t pay that.'”

Heard on Locked on Bulls he is asking for more than 20.
His money request makes no sense... Simply because his best year has probably been his rookie year and from then his impact and stats have been nothing to write home about... Hard to justify an amount of per year money superior to the ones of our Whites and Murray's... He did not show enough to become the most paid (and consequently the most important) player on our team. The most he should be able to get from us is somewhat comparable to the other well paid guys. That means around 14/16 per year.. If he's not glad of that I see no way not reason for even thinking about him (Thaddeus Young took his place simply because he was better than him last season)...

[timvp]

Any ideas on the hold up for why some of the signings haven’t become official yet?

Looks like the entire league is in a holding pattern until Silver decides how to punish the tamperers.

[Teamduncan21]

His money request makes no sense... Simply because his best year has probably been his rookie year and from then his impact and stats have been nothing to write home about... Hard to justify an amount of per year money superior to the ones of our Whites and Murray's... He did not show enough to become the most paid (and consequently the most important) player on our team. The most he should be able to get from us is somewhat comparable to the other well paid guys. That means around 14/16 per year.. If he's not glad of that I see no way not reason for even thinking about him (Thaddeus Young took his place simply because he was better than him last season)...

Pretty much in line with what everyone is thinking here. Glad spurs are thinking the same. If cheap why not. But not cheap then don't like

[PrimeMinister]

Lauri’s agent explicitly refuted the idea they asked for too much and the spurs weren’t willing to go there.

I don’t know if you guys just look at box scores or what. But dude has no defensive position and the team already legitimately has better options already on the roster.

https://twitter.com/mike_sig/status/1422911574025588740?s=20

[Dejounte]

McDermott wasnt an outright signing.

https://twitter.com/matthew_tynan/status/1424371490028507144?s=21

[lmbebo]

McDermott is a S&T with Pacers. 2nd round pick? going back to Indiana

[dubross]

2nd round pick going back and we also get a 2nd rd pick and the right to swap a 2nd rd pick.

[Degoat]

What’s the point in The spurs doing a sign & trade for McDermott when they had the cap space for him?

[RC_Drunkford]

What’s the point in The spurs doing a sign & trade for McDermott when they had the cap space for him?

they help Indiana with that. They should be getting a trade exception for that. Weird thing is that the Spurs 2nd round pick should be higher than Indiana‘s

[rankingtear]

What’s the point in The spurs doing a sign & trade for McDermott when they had the cap space for him?

Get a little asset from Indiana in exchange for 14 mil TPE. The 2nd rounder we are sending out is probably the fake/useless top 55 protected one.

Edit: 7 mil TPE because of the base year thing.

[dubross]

they help Indiana with that. They should be getting a trade exception for that. Weird thing is that the Spurs 2nd round pick should be higher than Indiana‘s

if it is they have the right to swap the pick.

[PrimeMinister]

What’s the point in The spurs doing a sign & trade for McDermott when they had the cap space for him?

Brian doing a favor for the pacers so they can generate a trade exception, in exchange spurs get some pick compensation for doing essentially nothing.

[RC_Drunkford]

if it is they have the right to swap the pick.

nope they have the right to swap it in 2026 not 2023. Makes it fair though. Spurs really didn’t get anything out of this deal

[dubross]

nope they have the right to swap it in 2026 not 2023. Makes it fair though. Spurs really didn’t get anything out of this deal

didn’t read the actual details but the picks are protected though.

[duncan2150]

they help Indiana with that. They should be getting a trade exception for that. Weird thing is that the Spurs 2nd round pick should be higher than Indiana‘s


what i read is that they sent a 2023 2nd protected for indiana 2023 and the right to swap in 2026. Imo Spurs secound is well protected , they just sent iT for the deal and they got a secound plus a swap.

Edit : both secound are protected so we need to see what's the protection. At least they will have the right to swap in 2026.

[RC_Drunkford]

what i read is that they sent a 2023 2nd protected for indiana 2023 and the right to swap in 2026. Imo Spurs secound is well protected , they just sent iT for the deal and they got a secound plus a swap.

Yeah Chinook just said that in the other thread. I don’t know what the protections are, but if our 2nd is heavily protected that means we get another 2nd round pick and a swap in 2026. That’s a very good deal

[RC_Drunkford]

So with our own picks included the Spurs have

2022: 3 second round picks
2023: 2 second round picks
2025: 2 second round picks

if I remember correctly. I guess plenty of chances to move up into the late first round by trading with teams that are in the tax and would rather sign rookies to 2-way contracts

[Teamduncan21]

Both sides are protected though. It might end up with not much depending on seeding and how high is the protection. Seems very small benefit to do this trade depending on protection.

[Chinook]

So with our own picks included the Spurs have

2022: 3 second round picks
2023: 2 second round picks
2025: 2 second round picks

if I remember correctly. I guess plenty of chances to move up into the late first round by trading with teams that are in the tax and would rather sign rookies to 2-way contracts

The Spurs don't have their 2022 second.

[Chinook]

Both sides are protected though. It might end up with not much depending on seeding and how high is the protection. Seems very small benefit to do this trade depending on protection.

Pretty sure Indy's giving SA a 2023 second no matter what. The protections determine which pick it is among Houston, Dallas and Miami, and maybe their natural pick. Of course, that means there's a chance the Spurs get the 59th or 60th pick while giving up a 56th-59th pick. But those are really low odds.

[objective]

Listened to a different pacers podcast and they were talking about the slim possibility of doing a sign and trade of McDermott into the Spurs space.

The gist was them sending the Spurs a 2nd to do it, and because of has base year compensation the resulting trade exception would only be worth $7 million, but they could carry it into the start of next off_-season before it expires and then have that plus the mle to improve their team next year

Pacers podcast pretty sharp

[timvp]

Pacers podcast pretty sharp

Good call by then, good pickup by you :tu

The Spurs potentially got two seconds so that's pretty good.

[timvp]

Man, it'd suck so much if the Bulls got penalized for tampering to the point that the DeRozan sign-and-trade can't happen. That'd almost be Forbes-re-signing-like disappointment.

[objective]

They'd probably just lose the first round picks they can't trade.

[Degoat]

Man, it'd suck so much if the Bulls got penalized for tampering to the point that the DeRozan sign-and-trade can't happen. That'd almost be Forbes-re-signing-like disappointment.

I think they get a really hefty fine tbh because if you mess with the picks you end up screwing these other teams that were involved.

[timvp]

They'd probably just lose the first round picks they can't trade.

Yeah, that's what makes sense and what I hope. Take those Stepien firsts but leave the rest.

[Degoat]

It would be awesome if the league took off the protections to the picks they traded to the magic & Spurs lol

[FutureMan]

It would be awesome if the league took off the protections to the picks they traded to the magic & Spurs lol

Now that is a real punishment. Let’s hope they do that haha

[DPG21920]

So like some us thought may happen; these deals seemed to be getting expanded. Seems pretty likely Collins will be a trade and/or Thads going somewhere else

[tonight...you]

So like some us thought may happen; these deals seemed to be getting expanded. Seems pretty likely Collins will be a trade and/or Thads going somewhere else
Interesting...
Any instinctual thoughts to expand upon the subject?

[DPG21920]

Interesting...
Any instinctual thoughts to expand upon the subject?

It always made sense to use your space to acquire assets like Wright has been doing. Obviously Sa had cap space and didn’t need to do trades but they have sought it out and now that they are hard capped (due to receiving Doug in a S&T) it only makes more sense to pursue Collins as a S&T to get another extra 2nd round pick

The Derozan trade is more likely being held up due to tampering investigation but the point was always still true there regarding THAD. We know that’s a trade but waiting to finalize it so you can pull in a third team to send THAD to makes the most sense. Lots of teams that are PO teams can use him and SA can cash in now to make the Derozan trade even better.

[DPG21920]

Interesting...
Any instinctual thoughts to expand upon the subject?

Even someone like POR makes sense for Thad, right? Pressure to improve, not many assets and have a chance to turn Zach who you’re losing anyways into Thad by adding a first? Has to be appealing and if not still lots of contenders/teams pushing for PO I’m sure would be interested

[The Truth #6]

I would love for them to flip Thad. It would also an affirmation of how they see themselves.

[tonight...you]

Even someone like POR makes sense for Thad, right? Pressure to improve, not many assets and have a chance to turn Zach who you’re losing anyways into Thad by adding a first? Has to be appealing and if not still lots of contenders/teams pushing for PO I’m sure would be interested
Sounds like a hopeful, into the season proposition.
Certainly could be a possibility. Many variables will happen.

Thad into a first...
And then we get into the details of protections.


Which we never think about until the damn deal happens and then debate unto...
Mutual dissatisfaction?

[DPG21920]

Sounds like a hopeful, into the season proposition.
Certainly could be a possibility. Many variables will happen.

Thad into a first...
And then we get into the details of protections.


Which we never think about until the damn deal happens and then debate unto...
Mutual dissatisfaction?

Any first for Thad is a win in my book. He’s not truly a fit and he will for sure leave anyways next season.

[Rito3d30]

https://twitter.com/FlexFromJersey/status/1424407854165921797?s=20
:toast

[John B]

https://twitter.com/FlexFromJersey/status/1424407854165921797?s=20
:toast
Collecting picks for Simmons? :clap

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/FlexFromJersey/status/1424407854165921797?s=20
:toast

No idea who that guy is but if Phoenix is will to cough up a first that would be amazing

[RC_Drunkford]

Brian Wright is definitely on his shit. He’s flipping these players fast as fuck. If we can get a 1st round pick for him that was a great offseason

[RC_Drunkford]

Apparently Saric is out for 9 months and Suns fans are saying Saric + 1st round pick for Young would
make sense. Of course that’s just fans talking, but that would actually be a great trade for us.

[BackHome]

Now we talking let's put this Tanking...cough.cough I mean retooling into Over Drive...:clap

[Mr. Body]

Collecting picks for Simmons? :clap

Fuck no.

[DPG21920]

Apparently Saric is out for 9 months and Suns fans are saying Saric + 1st round pick for Young would
make sense. Of course that’s just fans talking, but that would actually be a great trade for us.

There are lots of scenarios that make sense. PHX, POR and many others. Easily would do Saric + Kaminsky + 1st for Thad

[DPG21920]

Besides doing the trades for Collins and for Thad Sa should be active in Simmons deal too. Sa has good young talent too and even if they don’t get Simmons, if they can get picks + young prospects for Murray or White they should consider it.

[Cabrito]

Jalen Smith about to play in summer league for the Suns. Maybe it could be Saric and Smith for Young.

[Mr. Body]

Besides doing the trades for Collins and for Thad Sa should be active in Simmons deal too. Sa has good young talent too and even if they don’t get Simmons, if they can get picks + young prospects for Murray or White they should consider it.

Do people have no clue who Ben Simmons is? Thank God this franchise is smart enough to steer far clear of that guy.

[DPG21920]

Do people have no clue who Ben Simmons is? Thank God this franchise is smart enough to steer far clear of that guy.

I’m saying SA doesn’t get Simmons but uses White or Murray to help another team land Simmons

[Degoat]

I was in the camp of wanting the spurs to pursue Simmons but seeing how he’s trying to dictate where he ends (GSW or one of the LA teams) I’m out on him, he wouldn’t want to be here in SA.

[GB20]

I was in the camp of wanting the spurs to pursue Simmons but seeing how he’s trying to dictate where he ends (GSW or one of the LA teams) I’m out on him, he wouldn’t want to be here in SA.
He will be another kawhi type of drama for the Spurs.

[GAustex]

I was in the camp of wanting the spurs to pursue Simmons but seeing how he’s trying to dictate where he ends (GSW or one of the LA teams) I’m out on him, he wouldn’t want to be here in SA.
I said that 3 weeks ago.
He a Kardashian type. Bright lights for him only

[Atl Spur]

We should get Simmons, flip him in 3 yes if necessary. Primo should be ready by then, win win!

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[TD 21]

Kaminsky just re-signed.

Spurs should definitely be looking to reroute Young now. Between age and injury, he could easily lose value during the season. He's also a poor fit and would only take minutes away from Samanic.

[Degoat]

I hope the spurs find a way to trade Thad young somewhere else but I think it’ll be kinda hard, he’s makes like 14 million this upcoming season. Might be hard for a contender to match that salary in a trade

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Nice. That might grease the wheels so the DeRozan deal gets done.

[playblair]

max cap space end up with 2 white basketall players..........if spurs were located in austin collins wouldve been a lock signing

[timvp]

I'm okay with whichever way the Thad Young decision goes. Trade him for picks and another expiring contract? Yeah, that's good. Keep him as a veteran rental? Not bad. He's a good player who is loved by all his teammates. It's difficult to find vets who are both good and beloved on expiring deals ... so keeping Thad and reassessing the situation near the trade deadline is fine.

From strictly an asset management angle, you'd probably want to trade him now because his fit is iffy (I'm not sure if the Thad and Poeltl pairing is going to work offensively, tbh). But, yeah, he'd be a good influence in the locker room and a steadying force on the floor so that holds value too.

[slick'81]

I'm okay with whichever way the Thad Young decision goes. Trade him for picks and another expiring contract? Yeah, that's good. Keep him as a veteran rental? Not bad. He's a good player who is loved by all his teammates. It's difficult to find vets who are both good and beloved on expiring deals ... so keeping Thad and reassessing the situation near the trade deadline is fine.

From strictly an asset management angle, you'd probably want to trade him now because his fit is iffy (I'm not sure if the Thad and Poeltl pairing is going to work offensively, tbh). But, yeah, he'd be a good influence in the locker room and a steadying force on the floor so that holds value too.

Thad should def not start next to poodle. Pretty sure spurs hold to him for now though but id like for them to move him asap

[Kurik]

Dougie should have all the CREAM the team needs, hopefully they can trade Thad this off-season.

[kobyz]

Thad should start at center

[RC_Drunkford]

Suns, Celtics, Nets, Jazz and Pacers should all be interested in Young

[The Truth #6]

Does Yak have any trade value? To me, he’s becoming a difficult fit. The poor shooting is obvious. But it feels we need a point guard who can get him involved in the pnr. White should do that but seems to be the shooting guard more than the point guard. DJM is improving through repetition, but not ideal in my opinion. Anyway.

[Atl Spur]

Does Yak have any trade value? To me, he’s becoming a difficult fit. The poor shooting is obvious. But it feels we need a point guard who can get him involved in the pnr. White should do that but seems to be the shooting guard more than the point guard. DJM is improving through repetition, but not ideal in my opinion. Anyway.

Ben Simmons would work great with Yak in pick in roll..... virtually unstoppable.

[tbdog]

Poeltl stock rises just before the deadline if a contender loses their starting center for the season.

[The Truth #6]

Poeltl stock rises just before the deadline if a contender loses their starting center for the season.

Good point. Will also be interesting to see the ascension of Jock and how that complicates our center position, in a good way.

To me, Yak has lots of untapped potential. I can’t tell if he lost whatever microcosm of swag he had in college or he just isn’t a hard worker. Anyway, doubtful he will be traded, but if Primo and Jock do well, I’m intrigued about shipping DJM and Yak.

Walker? What’s the update with him? I recall a deadline coming up if we want to extend him. Right now, I say wait.

[The Truth #6]

Poeltl stock rises just before the deadline if a contender loses their starting center for the season.

Good point. Will also be interesting to see the ascension of Jock and how that complicates our center position, in a good way.

To me, Yak has lots of untapped potential. I can’t tell if he lost whatever microcosm of swag he had in college or he just isn’t a hard worker. Anyway, doubtful he will be traded, but if Primo and Jock do well, I’m intrigued about shipping DJM and Yak.

Walker? What’s the update with him? I recall a deadline coming up if we want to extend him. Right now, I say wait.

Edit: I mistook this page for off-season banter. Oops. Back to Forbes angst.

[Mr. Body]

Ben Simmons would work great with Yak in pick in roll..... virtually unstoppable.

Two players who are awful free throw shooters and Simmons cannot even take a jump shot. Simmons is even worse than Poeltl from the line. Good idea -- two guys who you cannot play in the fourth quarter although Jakob is actually improving.

[Mr. Body]

Good point. Will also be interesting to see the ascension of Jock and how that complicates our center position, in a good way.

To me, Yak has lots of untapped potential. I can’t tell if he lost whatever microcosm of swag he had in college or he just isn’t a hard worker. Anyway, doubtful he will be traded, but if Primo and Jock do well, I’m intrigued about shipping DJM and Yak.

Walker? What’s the update with him? I recall a deadline coming up if we want to extend him. Right now, I say wait.

I doubt they trade Poeltl. He's on a really reasonable deal and does some really vital things on the floor.

[Dex]

Pelicans, Hornets interested in Lauri, no mention of the Spurs:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bulls-restricted-free-agent-lauri-markkanen-wants-fresh-start-pelicans-hornets-interested-per-reports/

[Teamduncan21]

Pelicans, Hornets interested in Lauri, no mention of the Spurs:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bulls-restricted-free-agent-lauri-markkanen-wants-fresh-start-pelicans-hornets-interested-per-reports/

spurs already not getting lauri due to price. seems in line with what everyone here is thinking. dont think they will change their mind unless he lowers his price.

[JeffDuncan]

Two players who are awful free throw shooters and Simmons cannot even take a jump shot. Simmons is even worse than Poeltl from the line. Good idea -- two guys who you cannot play in the fourth quarter although Jakob is actually improving.


He mentioned Simmons and Poeltl together on the pick and roll, but they are both so pass oriented, they’d both stop under the basket and pass the ball back and forth. Lol

I agree with you that a deal for Poeltl is doubtful. People focus too much on players as individuals. For the team, the Spurs won’t find a better center than Poeltl in that price range.

And about Simmons, whatever his awards and stats may be, he sure isn’t looking like a “team” player.

[spurraider21]

There are lots of scenarios that make sense. PHX, POR and many others. Easily would do Saric + Kaminsky + 1st for Thad
Frank the Tank for the Tank!

[Mr. Body]

I'm intrigued by Thad Young trade scenarios, but he also has a lot of value to the team as he is, a veteran hustler who can fit in and take some quiet leadership duties as the newer players progress.

But getting a first for him would be electric, even if it means taking on more long-term salary. Managing to get two first round picks for an already-departing Derozan would be amazing.

[FutureMan]

We still need more 3 point shooting. For that reason, I think Young needs to be moved. The problem is finding a suitable trade. Is it Young on his own or a package deal with a combo of Young/Murray/Samanic/picks to get a better player?

We will be the only team without a potential all star player if the roster stays as is.

[Teamduncan21]

We signed McDermott forbes. Have vassel. White can shoot. We look better 3 point shooting wise. Seems reasonably enough unless we want golden state offense. I guess that's also why we didn't take Lauri anymore.

Trading young for picks seems to add most value unless young for a star player is available.

[spurraider21]

We signed McDermott forbes. Have vassel. White can shoot. We look better 3 point shooting wise. Seems reasonably enough unless we want golden state offense. I guess that's also why we didn't take Lauri anymore.

Trading young for picks seems to add most value unless young for a star player is available.
need more proof that Vassell can actually be an NBA sharpshooter

[joeyjfive]

Thad Young to the Suns makes the most sense to me. Saric and Jalen Smith for Thad. We get a first rounder but it's one that is already picked.

[FutureMan]

We signed McDermott forbes. Have vassel. White can shoot. We look better 3 point shooting wise. Seems reasonably enough unless we want golden state offense. I guess that's also why we didn't take Lauri anymore.

Trading young for picks seems to add most value unless young for a star player is available.

Forbes and McDermott combine for less 3’s than Mills and Gay. Also White is an average 3 point shooter at best. But if we don’t flip anyone then the clear objective is to tank. Which, to me, is unfortunate since it will take them years to be anything special again.

[cjw]

Forbes and McDermott combine for less 3’s than Mills and Gay. Also White is an average 3 point shooter at best. But if we don’t flip anyone then the clear objective is to tank. Which, to me, is unfortunate since it will take them years to be anything special again.

If they don’t take, it will take them decades to be anything special again

[Notorious H.O.P.]

spurs already not getting lauri due to price. seems in line with what everyone here is thinking. dont think they will change their mind unless he lowers his price.

This was interesting to find that apparently the Spurs were interested in including him in the DeRozan trade but LMs asking price was too high. I don't see him as the type to take a chance on accepting the QO so it will be interesting to see what he finally gets.

[Leetonidas]

So far the only officially reported moves are the trade to absorb Hutchinson and the McDermott deal. Wonder what's taking so long with everything else...

[TD 21]

Thad should def not start next to poodle. Pretty sure spurs hold to him for now though but id like for them to move him asap

When the trade broke, I initially had Young as a starter, but after some time to digest, I don't see it . . .

1) White would be the only starter so much as average from 3.
2) The starters have Johnson to tussle with big wings, the bench would be bereft (presuming Aminu is waived).
3) By starting McDermott instead, they'd naturally limit the minutes him and Forbes play simultaneously.
4) Though Eubanks is probably the favorite to be the second unit five, at least they have three players who range from average to great from 3, plus it's easier to dictate matchups off the bench.



Suns, Celtics, Nets, Jazz and Pacers should all be interested in Young

Nets: Tax bill is already astronomical and with the Dinwiddie sign and trade complete, they lack the expendable matching salary anyway.

Celtics: Also lack expendable matching salary and are clearly unwilling to pay the tax.

Pacers: Also unwilling to pay the tax and it doesn't make sense to attach a 1st to Lamb for a non contender.

Suns: Due to looming tax issues in '22-'23 and win now mode, I could see them being interested in dumping Saric and a top 20 protected 1st for him, even though he's not the greatest fit next to their fives.

Jazz: They signed Gay, who's decent shooting is a much better fit next to their fives.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Lillard wants to win now so I'm hoping that the Zollins deal turns into a S&T. An asset or two for a TE that Portland can use later to improve their team.

[objective]

McDermott excelled cutting and receiving near the basket or getting the three off the dho when Sabonis had the ball. Need a skilled passing big who is a threat to score to pull that off.

Young is the only one who comes close. They should be paired together.

[Seventyniner]

McDermott excelled cutting and receiving near the basket or getting the three off the dho when Sabonis had the ball. Need a skilled passing big who is a threat to score to pull that off.

Young is the only one who comes close. They should be paired together.

I haven't watched McBuckets before, but this description and his stats make Belinelli a strong comparison imo. I don't think that's a good thing; the pendulum appears to have swung all the way back to when Beli and Forbes were both getting decent minutes. Certainly not for McBuckets's price tag.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Crown Jewels: Will the Kings move on from Marvin Bagley III?

By Jas Kang@jaskang21 Jun 29, 2021, 6:35pm PDT


The Sacramento Kings and Marvin Bagley III have had a tumultuous relationship since the Duke product was selected No. 2 in the 2018 NBA Draft.

Former general manager Vlade Divac and co. decided Bagley was going to be the ideal fit alongside De’Aaron Fox to give the franchise two foundational pieces for the long-term. Divac passed up on soon-to-be MVP candidates Luka Dončić and Trae Young to land Bagley, a decision that will haunt the franchise for years to come.

Bagley hasn’t exactly been fond of his time in Sacramento. He recently liked a tweet suggesting the Kings should trade him, and his father got into it with Fox’s dad earlier in the season.

The 22-year-old has missed 108 games over his first three seasons. Bagley’s career numbers are well above average at 14.5 points, and 7.3 rebounds per game, but those are below expectations for a player selected second overall.

McNair could look to move Bagley this offseason, but Jason Jones of The Athletic says the return for the power forward would be underwhelming at this point.

The problem is Bagley’s value around the league isn’t such where teams are looking to give up a lot to get him. It’s no secret Bagley was available at the trade deadline, but the Kings never received the kind of offer that made a deal worthwhile. One league executive told me a couple of second-round picks is about all they could see parting with to add Bagley.

Bagley has struggled with consistency issues at both ends of the floor. He has shown flashes of his potential as a scorer but hasn’t used his athleticism to be a difference-maker on the glass and defensive end.

He averages fewer rebounds than Dončić, and his 116.5 defensive rating was the third-worst of any Kings player who appeared in more than 30 games.

McNair has harped on maintaining financial flexibility moving forward, which could be another reason to move on from Bagley. He’s due to make more than $11 million next season and will be up for a new contract following the 2021-22 campaign.


The Kings have to decide if Bagley is worth the drama. He hasn’t bought into the system and has been unhappy with his role under head coach Luke Walton. Bagley removed any mention of playing for Sacramento on his social media bios and seems to be checked out.

But if the McNair decides to sell low on Bagley this offseason, it could come back to bite the franchise. Bagley has never averaged more than 26 minutes per game over his three seasons, but his per 36 minutes numbers are eye-opening.

Bagley’s per 36 minutes for his career comes in at 20.5 points and 10.6 rebounds, per Basketball-Reference. So McNair and Walton have to decide if the lack of opportunity is hurting Bagley’s performance.

However, the eye test hasn’t been kind to Bagley. He often looks disengaged at the defensive end and is a below-average rim protector for a player with his athletic prowess.

It will be fascinating to see how McNair handles the Bagley situation this offseason. The Kings could package him with the No. 9 pick to acquire some immediate help or look to keep him in the hopes he has a breakout season.


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[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I haven't watched McBuckets before, but this description and his stats make Belinelli a strong comparison imo. I don't think that's a good thing; the pendulum appears to have swung all the way back to when Beli and Forbes were both getting decent minutes. Certainly not for McBuckets's price tag.

I don't know that I'd compare the two. Belli is three inches shorter. McDermott is a better overall athlete, I'd say, but not as crafty as Belinelli.

But I think they're both smart offensive players. From what I've seen of McDermott he's pretty fearless, offensively, so that's another positive comparison. This team will need his shooting.

I'm sure we signed Brynn Fvck! Forbes to add some shooting as well, but with Forbes you get zero other intangibles. At least McDermott is tall.

[Robz4000]

Crown Jewels: Will the Kings move on from Marvin Bagley III?

By Jas Kang@jaskang21 Jun 29, 2021, 6:35pm PDT


The Sacramento Kings and Marvin Bagley III have had a tumultuous relationship since the Duke product was selected No. 2 in the 2018 NBA Draft.

Former general manager Vlade Divac and co. decided Bagley was going to be the ideal fit alongside De’Aaron Fox to give the franchise two foundational pieces for the long-term. Divac passed up on soon-to-be MVP candidates Luka Dončić and Trae Young to land Bagley, a decision that will haunt the franchise for years to come.

Bagley hasn’t exactly been fond of his time in Sacramento. He recently liked a tweet suggesting the Kings should trade him, and his father got into it with Fox’s dad earlier in the season.

The 22-year-old has missed 108 games over his first three seasons. Bagley’s career numbers are well above average at 14.5 points, and 7.3 rebounds per game, but those are below expectations for a player selected second overall.

McNair could look to move Bagley this offseason, but Jason Jones of The Athletic says the return for the power forward would be underwhelming at this point.

The problem is Bagley’s value around the league isn’t such where teams are looking to give up a lot to get him. It’s no secret Bagley was available at the trade deadline, but the Kings never received the kind of offer that made a deal worthwhile. One league executive told me a couple of second-round picks is about all they could see parting with to add Bagley.

Bagley has struggled with consistency issues at both ends of the floor. He has shown flashes of his potential as a scorer but hasn’t used his athleticism to be a difference-maker on the glass and defensive end.

He averages fewer rebounds than Dončić, and his 116.5 defensive rating was the third-worst of any Kings player who appeared in more than 30 games.

McNair has harped on maintaining financial flexibility moving forward, which could be another reason to move on from Bagley. He’s due to make more than $11 million next season and will be up for a new contract following the 2021-22 campaign.


The Kings have to decide if Bagley is worth the drama. He hasn’t bought into the system and has been unhappy with his role under head coach Luke Walton. Bagley removed any mention of playing for Sacramento on his social media bios and seems to be checked out.

But if the McNair decides to sell low on Bagley this offseason, it could come back to bite the franchise. Bagley has never averaged more than 26 minutes per game over his three seasons, but his per 36 minutes numbers are eye-opening.

Bagley’s per 36 minutes for his career comes in at 20.5 points and 10.6 rebounds, per Basketball-Reference. So McNair and Walton have to decide if the lack of opportunity is hurting Bagley’s performance.

However, the eye test hasn’t been kind to Bagley. He often looks disengaged at the defensive end and is a below-average rim protector for a player with his athletic prowess.

It will be fascinating to see how McNair handles the Bagley situation this offseason. The Kings could package him with the No. 9 pick to acquire some immediate help or look to keep him in the hopes he has a breakout season.


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Bagley will be playing in China before he's 26 tbh.

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[The Truth #6]

McDermott excelled cutting and receiving near the basket or getting the three off the dho when Sabonis had the ball. Need a skilled passing big who is a threat to score to pull that off.

Young is the only one who comes close. They should be paired together.

Just throwing ideas on the wall...

Jock
Young
McDermott
White
DJM

I could see that 5-man lineup potentially being one of our better units, for what it's worth.

[DPG21920]

The longer we go without hearing anything the better the odds are there are more trades.

[Seventyniner]

Just throwing ideas on the wall...

Jock
Young
McDermott
White
DJM

I could see that 5-man lineup potentially being one of our better units, for what it's worth.

If that's one of our better lineups Pop will have a hard time getting his 26 wins imo.

[The Truth #6]

If that's one of our better lineups Pop will have a hard time getting his 26 wins imo.

34 wins, easy!

[Sugus]

The longer we go without hearing anything the better the odds are there are more trades.

Exactly.

Just FYI my Dude, I haven't forgotten about your post, but I think it's clear at this point that we gotta wait until the dust fully settles to properly gauge the off-season and trades that went down. I certainly wasn't expecting so much activity, with maybe even more to come. Crossing my fingers that we can get some extra assets for Thad or making the Zollins a S&T...

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Boban Marjanovic’s contract with the Dallas Mavericks is a two-year, $7 million deal, league sources told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/).

That's a bargain given how useful Boban was in the playoffs.

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[spurraider21]

really used to like Elfrid Payton... he just never took that step

[DPG21920]

Exactly.

Just FYI my Dude, I haven't forgotten about your post, but I think it's clear at this point that we gotta wait until the dust fully settles to properly gauge the off-season and trades that went down. I certainly wasn't expecting so much activity, with maybe even more to come. Crossing my fingers that we can get some extra assets for Thad or making the Zollins a S&T...

lol it’s all good. We know where we stand and I’m hoping they make these additional moves to make things make more sense. I’m excited for the season though.

[FutureMan]

If they don’t take, it will take them decades to be anything special again

If they only tank without getting one borderline all star it will take them longer to figure things out. A “one year tank” is the way to go. This way they have the ability to have:

1. a borderline allstar
2. a top pick from the one year of tanking
3. One of the current players developing into one of the next “big 3”

[objective]

So the only official moves done are the 2nd rounder/Hutchinson and the McDermott with the free trade exception for another team, right?

Remember how the Spurs couldn't afford to do the offer sheet for John Collins because they couldn't wait until today to know for sure?

Got to get those great deals signed ... Eventually

[lmbebo]

Would flip Aminu for Bagley. Former 2nd round pic, talented.

[Degoat]

So the only official moves done are the 2nd rounder/Hutchinson and the McDermott with the free trade exception for another team, right?

Remember how the Spurs couldn't afford to do the offer sheet for John Collins because they couldn't wait until today to know for sure?

Got to get those great deals signed ... Eventually

I wonder if Chandler Hutchinson is going to be waived? Usually the spurs do some sort of welcoming guys via social media and there hasn’t been anything on chandler

[Fusternino]

Spurs social media has only formally said goodbye and thank you to Gay and Lyles.

[Degoat]

Spurs social media has only formally said goodbye and thank you to Gay and Lyles.

And they’ve only welcomed Doug McBuckets I think. You would think the bulls trade would have been announced on there already or the Bryn Forbes signing because he was a fan favorite for a lot of casual fans in SA

[Fusternino]

And they’ve only welcomed Doug McBuckets I think. You would think the bulls trade would have been announced on there already or the Bryn Forbes signing because he was a fan favorite for a lot of casual fans in SA

Yes, a trade is in the works. I don't even think Hutchinson was ever welcomed although I'm really sure that officially went through so he must be getting waived immediately.

[Dejounte]

If we’re looking at social media, then Thad Young and Aminu aren’t becoming Spurs. Neither has acknowledged the trade to become a Spur and hasn’t followed the Spurs account. Meanwhile, Zach Collins HAS followed the Spurs and some Spurs players on IG and his signing (or trade?) hasn’t become official either.

[Dejounte]

IMO, a trade that makes sense is Eubanks to Portland for Collins. It follows the trend of “classy moves” by sending Eubanks to his hometown. Include Aminu to make the salaries work if it doesnt.

then send away Young for a 1st rd pick somewhere.

[slick'81]

If spurs could some how get a first rnd pick for thad that would be great

[Chinook]

IMO, a trade that makes sense is Eubanks to Portland for Collins. It follows the trend of “classy moves” by sending Eubanks to his hometown. Include Aminu to make the salaries work if it doesnt.

then send away Young for a 1st rd pick somewhere.

Apparently Phoenix is interested in him for Saric and Smith. Wouldn't that be something.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Apparently Phoenix is interested in him for Saric and Smith. Wouldn't that be something.

Come on, Brian...before they sober up!

[The Truth #6]

Come on, Brian...before they sober up!

Ha. Or before RC stops drinking?

[Sugus]

IMO, a trade that makes sense is Eubanks to Portland for Collins. It follows the trend of “classy moves” by sending Eubanks to his hometown. Include Aminu to make the salaries work if it doesnt.

then send away Young for a 1st rd pick somewhere.

Wait, you're talking about Zollins, right? Why would the Spurs "trade" for him and lose Eubanks when they can sign him outright? Dumping Aminu wouldn't be nearly worth it... Or maybe a POR 1st coming our way...? With Dame firing shots at the FO and hinting at leaving in the near future, their picks could certainly shoot up in value.

[rjv]

didn't saric tear his ACL in the finals?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Apparently Phoenix is interested in him for Saric and Smith. Wouldn't that be something.

Are you saying that Phoenix is interested in Aminu or Young?

[Leetonidas]

Saric will probably out for the season. So he's just a salary filler though he's on the books for 2 years. Smith would be the main prize to take a gamble on. Lotto pick that didn't get much burn due to the Suns being good for once. 6'10 forward, I'd take a gamble on him

[Dejounte]

Wait, you're talking about Zollins, right? Why would the Spurs "trade" for him and lose Eubanks when they can sign him outright? Dumping Aminu wouldn't be nearly worth it... Or maybe a POR 1st coming our way...? With Dame firing shots at the FO and hinting at leaving in the near future, their picks could certainly shoot up in value.

no idea, man. Same reason why McDermott ended up being a trade than an outright signing, probably. Honestly, Eubanks is not much of a loss. His future on this team was always as a third string C. Reason I chose him is to open up roster slots.

[rjv]

Are you saying that Phoenix is interested in Aminu or Young?

this is what I found:

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2021/8/9/22616189/center-of-the-sun-part-1-phoenix-suns-still-active-in-free-agency-nba-summer-league-kicks-off-vegas

[LCM]

If Spurs flip Thad Young for Saric and Jalen Smith ... Smith looked good in his first Vegas SL game ... same position as Samanic and Smith adds another year before extension eligibility ... if this happens, Samanic is going to be traded out at some point! A Jalen Smith/Jock Landale combo in transition with Jones and Vassell on the Second Unit would be so fun!! Run other teams second units off the court!

[cd98]

Trading Young for another player with a multi-year salary means that you have less space to sign a star player. I'm not saying don't do it, but that is giving up cap space, which the Spurs should only do if they really want the player and it is a clear upgrade to the point that you will give up on the outlier possibility of getting an all star in a trade.

[DPG21920]

I would much rather a first than Jalen Smith tbh…but SA doesn’t need to trade Eubanks for roster spots; that doesnt make as much sense to me. Of course they could, just saying that 2 of the players they acquired are likely to be waived for 2 roster spots (Aminu + Hutch) and between KBD and Jeffries they can get to the spots they need I believe without needing to trade Eubanks. But of course they totally could do that if they were going to cut him anyways.

But as a few of us have been speaking about for a week or so now; it seems likely these other moves are getting expanded or at least trying to.

[DPG21920]

Trading Young for another player with a multi-year salary means that you have less space to sign a star player. I'm not saying don't do it, but that is giving up cap space, which the Spurs should only do if they really want the player and it is a clear upgrade to the point that you will give up on the outlier possibility of getting an all star in a trade.


This is true, but if ZCollins turns out non guaranteed next year (as he should be) and SA needs to, they hopefully can trade Doug too and open that space right back (but I dont like being in that position for no good reason).

[Mr. Body]

Is this where SpursTalk denizens become absolutely, positively convinced they'll get last year's lottery pick from some team because reasons?

[Chinook]

Is this where SpursTalk denizens become absolutely, positively convinced they'll get last year's lottery pick from some team because reasons?

I mean, there were certainly lottery picks from last year the Spurs could acquire if they really wanted to. That it's being reported that the teams are talking about a trade for Smith means it's worth discussion.

[Leetonidas]

Because reasons? Someone already tweeted that the teams are discussing it, though we dont know how credible that is. it's also not some team, it's a team with title hopes in win-now mode that needs an upgrade at the F position. it's not some random trade idea someone came up with

[CGD]

Is it legal to expand the DDR trade to include Phoenix given the S&T rules? Seems like the cleanest way to do it

[mo7888]

Is it legal to expand the DDR trade to include Phoenix given the S&T rules? Seems like the cleanest way to do it

Yes it is

[Excessive Egotist]

I know this isn't being discussed but since we're speculating...

Why not Young to Suns, Saric and Smith to Bulls, and Markkanen to Spurs?

I'd much rather just get a future first for Young--or Cam Reddish--but it seem that Saric is injured for most of the season and Smith has looked underwhelming....that isn't much of a return for Thad Young. In fact, you might argue the Spurs need to be compensated for Saric's salary in addition to Young. Smith alone isn't fair value for Young. Plus, creates more roster space issues.

Markkanen is at least an interesting young player who has shown more promise than Smith. If Phoenix's offer is Smith, Saric, and a future first, then I'd do that. Or, if they'd take back Aminu instead of Young and Smith is the payment for Saric's money. Otherwise, San Antonio will get better offers closer to the trade deadline for Young.

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUxDaEzSMLk

[Chinook]

Is it legal to expand the DDR trade to include Phoenix given the S&T rules? Seems like the cleanest way to do it

No more or less clean to trade Young separately. Saric and Smith would fit into the TE Young creates when he's being sent to Chicago. Unless there's some further deal where SA is moving some salary and combining it with Thad, this Phoenix part shouldn't be holding up the DeRozan trade.

[Leetonidas]

I know this isn't being discussed but since we're speculating...

Why not Young to Suns, Saric and Smith to Bulls, and Markkanen to Spurs?

I'd much rather just get a future first for Young--or Cam Reddish--but it seem that Saric is injured for most of the season and Smith has looked underwhelming....that isn't much of a return for Thad Young. In fact, you might argue the Spurs need to be compensated for Saric's salary in addition to Young. Smith alone isn't fair value for Young. Plus, creates more roster space issues.

Markkanen is at least an interesting young player who has shown more promise than Smith. If Phoenix's offer is Smith, Saric, and a future first, then I'd do that. Or, if they'd take back Aminu instead of Young and Smith is the payment for Saric's money. Otherwise, San Antonio will get better offers closer to the trade deadline for Young.

I assume the Spurs originally wanted Lauri in the trade instead of Young, but my guess is the Spurs wanted to pay him a similar salary and he wanted closer to 20M, which no one is going to pay

[Excessive Egotist]

I assume the Spurs originally wanted Lauri in the trade instead of Young, but my guess is the Spurs wanted to pay him a similar salary and he wanted closer to 20M, which no one is going to pay

Fair. Maybe he and his agent are agreeable to reassessing his market value at this point.

[CGD]

No more or less clean to trade Young separately. Saric and Smith would fit into the TE Young creates when he's being sent to Chicago. Unless there's some further deal where SA is moving some salary and combining it with Thad, this Phoenix part shouldn't be holding up the DeRozan trade.

Yeah, seems odd now that Ball trade went through that DeRozen deal is hanging out there.

[Spurs9]

Watch Spurs end up trading for Porzingis :lol

[Excessive Egotist]

Watch Spurs end up trading for Porzingis :lol


I get why there would be hesitation with Porzingis, but Poeltl + Porzingis is a juicy pairing.

[Mr. Body]

I see there is talk about Jalen Smith being included. I see it now -- they're in win mode. Hmm... don't know if the team would want two long term big prospects. Maybe they would.

[Degoat]

Wonder if Luka gets included as well…. He’s posted on his IG story pics of him working out. He can workout but he can’t play in the summer league?

[TD 21]

no idea, man. Same reason why McDermott ended up being a trade than an outright signing, probably. Honestly, Eubanks is not much of a loss. His future on this team was always as a third string C. Reason I chose him is to open up roster slots.

Even though he's likely to enter the season as a rotation player, he's a poor fit and between (eventually) Collins, Landale and the raise he's on track for, I can't envision him being re-signed.



I know this isn't being discussed but since we're speculating...

Why not Young to Suns, Saric and Smith to Bulls, and Markkanen to Spurs?

I'd much rather just get a future first for Young--or Cam Reddish--but it seem that Saric is injured for most of the season and Smith has looked underwhelming....that isn't much of a return for Thad Young. In fact, you might argue the Spurs need to be compensated for Saric's salary in addition to Young. Smith alone isn't fair value for Young. Plus, creates more roster space issues.

Markkanen is at least an interesting young player who has shown more promise than Smith. If Phoenix's offer is Smith, Saric, and a future first, then I'd do that. Or, if they'd take back Aminu instead of Young and Smith is the payment for Saric's money. Otherwise, San Antonio will get better offers closer to the trade deadline for Young.

Unless the Spurs are enamored with Smith and/or consumed with their usual misguided "doing right by" Young, true.

Closest thing to a compromise I can surmise, is a top 20 protected 1st from the Suns and the Spurs send back one of their 2nds. Similar to the Tucker to Bucks trade, where the Rockets moved up 9 spots or whatever.

The argument for Markkanen making sense has gone by the wayside with the current roster.



I get why there would be hesitation with Porzingis, but Poeltl + Porzingis is a juicy pairing.

Porzingis can't guard the four.

[Mr. Body]

How does a trade with the Suns work? It seems Saric + Smith for Young doesn't work?

I do think the Zollins trade was weird, possibly too hasty, especially since these other possibilities are emerging. I don't know if that would halt anything for Jalen Smith since they'd be getting in each other's way before long.

[look_at_g_shred]

How does a trade with the Suns work? It seems Saric + Smith for Young doesn't work?

I do think the Zollins trade was weird, possibly too hasty, especially since these other possibilities are emerging. I don't know if that would halt anything for Jalen Smith since they'd be getting in each other's way before long.
Was the Zollins acquisition officially a trade? i have not seen that.

[objective]

Don't think I would want to see a Young for Saric/Smith deal. Smith shouldn't be enough after he couldn't get on the court as a rookie.

It would basically be doing Phoenix a giant favor, a good veteran player for 2 guys who for various reasons won't likely be playing for them this year anyway.

Even a first on top rings cheap because of the salary room it takes away in the future.

[Mr. Body]

Was the Zollins acquisition officially a trade? i have not seen that.

No, I mean Collins would be above Smith in the pecking order if they were on the same team.

I stand with those against the trade at the moment. Zach Collins is straight up better than Jalen Smith, health aside. Poeltl is much better and dare I say Eubanks is too.

Agree that this is a big favor to Phoenix and Young is someone you'd want more value for.

[Russ]

No, I mean Collins would be above Smith in the pecking order if they were on the same team.

I stand with those against the trade at the moment. Zach Collins is straight up better than Jalen Smith, health aside.

No shit.

Zach Collins is actually the best move they've made thus far.

[Degoat]

Jalen Smith was the number 10 pick last year, pretty good get imo he was one of the guys I wanted the spurs to draft last year. I’m not so sure young could net us a first rounder even at the trade deadline, his value will go down playing for the spurs

[Robz4000]

No shit.

Zach Collins is actually the best move they've made thus far.

:lmao no

The best move so far is jettisoning DePression and actually getting something for him.

[BillMc]

Watch Spurs end up trading for Porzingis :lol

I wouldn't mind that, really. A risk but a decent bet. The injury he suffered usually takes 2 full years to be your old self. Decent chance we'd get NY KP, which would be a good acquistion.

[Leetonidas]

I've been scouring a lot of other fanbases forums in search of rumors and whatnot, and one thing I've noticed is that the whole "our FO sucks, our city sucks, no one wants to play here" thing is pretty ubiquitous :lol

[timvp]

Yeah, I wouldn't do Thad for Saric and Smith. Saric is out for the season but still has guaranteed money in 2022-23. You could probably give him away next summer if it comes down to it but the most you could flip him for is maybe a couple second round picks a year from now. Jalen Smith didn't come close to beating out Frank Kaminsky last year and still needs work to even be a decent backup center. It's questionable whether he's even a positive asset right now.

Thad for Saric, Smith and a lottery protected first round pick? Yeah, I'd do that. The Spurs should then probably reroute Smith somewhere else because having four centers (five if Zollins ends up having to play center) doesn't make sense. If they like Smith as a project, then Eubanks would have to go.

[Robz4000]

I've been scouring a lot of other fanbases forums in search of rumors and whatnot, and one thing I've noticed is that the whole "our FO sucks, our city sucks, no one wants to play here" thing is pretty ubiquitous :lol

Zero surprises there, but that also applies to half the teams in the league tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

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anyone hoping Spurs are trying to get assets for a Simmons trade can let go of that idea right now :lol no way Pop would allow the Spurs to trade for such a diva

[Mr. Body]

1425100266622394369

anyone hoping Spurs are trying to get assets for a Simmons trade can let go of that idea right now :lol no way Pop would allow the Spurs to trade for such a diva

Kendrick Perkins is basically a Klutch mouthpiece who ESPN has signed to amplify Klutch's voice. Ben Simmons is a Klutch client. How the NBA hasn't cracked down on these clowns is beyond me. Maybe when James finally retires will they bring this idiocy under control.

[Seventyniner]

anyone hoping Spurs are trying to get assets for a Simmons trade can let go of that idea right now :lol no way Pop would allow the Spurs to trade for such a diva

I'd rather the Spurs facilitate a Simmons deal by absorbing a bad contract and picking up more assets.

[lmbebo]

I wouldn't mind that, really. A risk but a decent bet. The injury he suffered usually takes 2 full years to be your old self. Decent chance we'd get NY KP, which would be a good acquistion.

For the money, I'd rather take a swing at Bagley.

[ace3g]

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 2h (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1425184882049929219)
Chicago wants a first-round pick to facilitate a Lauri Markkanen sign-and-trade, as I reported over the weekend, and naturally prefers to take back no salary … key factors in Markkanen’s struggles to find a better offer than his one-year qualifier. More: marcstein.substack.com (https://t.co/A6ycVmnrjq)

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)

Sign-and-trade via TPE is Dallas' most feasible path to a deal since Chicago would not have to take back any salary. But Markkanen is seeking a richer deal than the Mavs can offer that way and can make $9M just by playing next season out as a Bull and becoming an unrestricted FA. twitter.com/thesteinline/s… (https://t.co/zjHTfpSEW7)
twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/

[Dejounte]

Lol people were really thinking Lauri was going to yield $20 mil this offseason and that the Bulls would match

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 47s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1425229545704239104)
Free agent G Dennis Schroder has agreed to a one-year deal with the Boston Celtics, sources tell ESPN.

[Leetonidas]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 47s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1425229545704239104)
Free agent G Dennis Schroder has agreed to a one-year deal with the Boston Celtics, sources tell ESPN.

:lmao from 4 years 84 million and playing for a title to backing up Marcus smart for 5.9 mil. What an idiot

[Mr. Body]

I really wish Schroeder would have tied up LA's cap with that awful contract.

[TD 21]

:lmao from 4 years 84 million and playing for a title to backing up Marcus smart for 5.9 mil. What an idiot

He'll probably start alongside Smart, with Richardson as the sixth man, but yeah.

[BackHome]

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 2h (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1425184882049929219)
Chicago wants a first-round pick to facilitate a Lauri Markkanen sign-and-trade, as I reported over the weekend, and naturally prefers to take back no salary … key factors in Markkanen’s struggles to find a better offer than his one-year qualifier. More: marcstein.substack.com (https://t.co/A6ycVmnrjq)

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)

Sign-and-trade via TPE is Dallas' most feasible path to a deal since Chicago would not have to take back any salary. But Markkanen is seeking a richer deal than the Mavs can offer that way and can make $9M just by playing next season out as a Bull and becoming an unrestricted FA. twitter.com/thesteinline/s… (https://t.co/zjHTfpSEW7)
twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/

Shit Chicago is going to have to give up a FIRST for anyone to take that China Doll - so glad we didn't get this fool as of right now no one is going to come close to paying him what he thinks he is worth..:lmao

[Mr. Body]

Looks like Markkanen also fucked himself by thinking he was worth more than he is. If the Spurs were a preferred destination, he's not going there and he may take significantly less jack for just one year with no promises. I doubt he ever makes what he thinks he would.

[BackHome]

He ain't making no 20 Million man we dodged a bullate in not picking up this fool

[CGD]

Shit Chicago is going to have to give up a FIRST for anyone to take that China Doll - so glad we didn't get this fool as of right now no one is going to come close to paying him what he thinks he is worth..:lmao

That’s not my read at all. Chicago is squeezing the shit out of him now that cap space has dried up, which will likely force him into taking his QO. This after dude passed up an extension, and probably more reasonable offers from teams with space, including from the Spurs.

Lauri needs a new agent, or someone to give him a douse of reality.

[mo7888]

That’s not my read at all. Chicago is squeezing the shit out of him now that cap space has dried up, which will likely force him into taking his QO. This after dude passed up an extension, and probably more reasonable offers from teams with space, including from the Spurs.

Lauri needs a new agent, or someone to give him a douse of reality.

This

[slick'81]

:lmao Lauri

[ismael-robert]

With derozan deal not being done maybe spurs also waiting for lauri to take his 9 then roll him into the trade with young n drop aminu or something of that ilk...that may still make him bitter that we waited him out n played him along with bulls but yeah realizing u don't get paid to not play d would help him not blame others for his situation

[Robz4000]

More likely the DePression trade falls through imo.

[td4mvp2k]

With derozan deal not being done maybe spurs also waiting for lauri to take his 9 then roll him into the trade with young n drop aminu or something of that ilk...that may still make him bitter that we waited him out n played him along with bulls but yeah realizing u don't get paid to not play d would help him not blame others for his situation
yeah its possible lets hope he comes around tbh

[CGD]

With derozan deal not being done maybe spurs also waiting for lauri to take his 9 then roll him into the trade with young n drop aminu or something of that ilk...that may still make him bitter that we waited him out n played him along with bulls but yeah realizing u don't get paid to not play d would help him not blame others for his situation

That’s an interesting idea. Lauri would have to accept the QO if im not mistaken given S&T rules. Chicago gets off a toxic situation, but they’d probably want some of their draft capital back, no?

[Teamduncan21]

Shit Chicago is going to have to give up a FIRST for anyone to take that China Doll - so glad we didn't get this fool as of right now no one is going to come close to paying him what he thinks he is worth..:lmao


They don't have to give up anything. While it looks bad. Lauri can just become unemployed until they release the hold if I'm not mistaken. Bulls can just go on with their lives if no one signs lauri

[mo7888]

That’s an interesting idea. Lauri would have to accept the QO if im not mistaken given S&T rules. Chicago gets off a toxic situation, but they’d probably want some of their draft capital back, no?

I'd give back a 2nd if we got him at the $9M per year mark if it's 3 years or more.. any more I'd balk

[exstatic]

If you trade for a player on a QO, you don’t get their Bird rights.

There’s no fucking way he signs 3/$27. He doesn’t want to play ONE year at $9M, and you think he’ll do two more on top?

[mo7888]

If you trade for a player on a QO, you don’t get their Bird rights.

There’s no fucking way he signs 3/$27. He doesn’t want to play ONE year at $9M, and you think he’ll do two more on top?

No I don't think he'd sign for 9M per for 3 years..

[mo7888]

If you trade for a player on a QO, you don’t get their Bird rights.

There’s no fucking way he signs 3/$27. He doesn’t want to play ONE year at $9M, and you think he’ll do two more on top?

No I don't think he'd sign for 9M per for 3 years..

[Leetonidas]

Dude needs to take the QO and tough it our for a season, especially after seeing Schroeder take 5.9M for one season. He's the only thing holding this trade up. No one has cap space to sign him to what he wants, and the Bulls have no incentive to facilitate a S&T because they dont want to take an salary and they want a pick in exchange, which no one is going to give. Lauri just needs to bite the bullet, he has absolutely no power

[CGD]

If you trade for a player on a QO, you don’t get their Bird rights.

There’s no fucking way he signs 3/$27. He doesn’t want to play ONE year at $9M, and you think he’ll do two more on top?

I don’t think anyone is saying he’d sign for 27/3. He’s essentially a glorified expiring on the QO, but one that may be 1. flippable at trade deadline, 2. May take a MLE based offer next summer, 3. Or if he blows up you find a way to move pieces to keep him.

Better than Aminu anyway

[The Truth #6]

I assumed McDermott filled the “tall guy who shoots but plays no defense” role already.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

I'm wondering if the hold up is that they are waiting to see if LM will accept a more reasonable offer and, if so, they may sub out Young in the trade. Or maybe LM has said he'd accept something like McDermott's deal but the Bulls want to keep the FRP and the Spurs are holding out for it.

[The Truth #6]

I'm wondering if the hold up is that they are waiting to see if LM will accept a more reasonable offer and, if so, they may sub out Young in the trade. Or maybe LM has said he'd accept something like McDermott's deal but the Bulls want to keep the FRP and the Spurs are holding out for it.

All possible. Makes me wonder what we actually agreed to then. Are the Bulls sensing they can change the deal and screw us over? Was the original deal reported incorrectly?

[slick'81]

Apparently alot of teams still after lauri for $15 mil. Bulls want a first though

[exstatic]

I don’t think anyone is saying he’d sign for 27/3. He’s essentially a glorified expiring on the QO, but one that may be 1. flippable at trade deadline, 2. May take a MLE based offer next summer, 3. Or if he blows up you find a way to move pieces to keep him.

Better than Aminu anyway
Post 1726. Would take him at$9M if it was for 3 years.

[exstatic]

I don’t think anyone is saying he’d sign for 27/3. He’s essentially a glorified expiring on the QO, but one that may be 1. flippable at trade deadline, 2. May take a MLE based offer next summer, 3. Or if he blows up you find a way to move pieces to keep him.

Better than Aminu anyway

Not better than Aminu+FRP. That pick goes away if it’s Markkanen and not Aminu. They’ve already said they wanted a FRP to S&T him.

[R. DeMurre]

I like Thaddeus a lot and would look forward to watching him play with the younger guys, but that Phoenix trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

[exstatic]

I like Thaddeus a lot and would look forward to watching him play with the younger guys, but that Phoenix trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.

They can do better than a guy who will miss the whole season and an underwhelming kid at the deadline.

[pookenstein]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.

[mo7888]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.

I saw that...without our roster needing to be trimmed and the Chicago deal still waiting to be signed this may be what we're waiting on... does Philly value Thad? Or maybe Thad to Phoenix and those assets + DJ + a pick to Philly to get it done?

[mo7888]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.

I saw that...without our roster needing to be trimmed and the Chicago deal still waiting to be signed this may be what we're waiting on... does Philly value Thad? Or maybe Thad to Phoenix and those assets + DJ + a pick to Philly to get it done?

[John B]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.
Let’s do it and get this pre-season deals on a positive note

[Dejounte]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.

It’s not per realgm, it’s per ESPN

realgm trying to get hits by posting it. Their article references ESPN. There’s no “scoop” founded by realgm.

the article by ESPN just says talks have not gone far and that there are varying interests.

its more ado about nothing

see how news travels and how information gets fucked up? Don’t trust everything you read or listen to without doing proper research.

[SAGirl]

Wonder if Luka gets included as well…. He’s posted on his IG story pics of him working out. He can workout but he can’t play in the summer league?
I have been very suspicious of this for a long time. I think his rehab is an excuse to cover up for something. When talking about his international team, he even played some friendly exhibition games for them. I think he was cut and didn’t make the team but he said he withdrew to save face. The summer league, he’s already a 3 year “veteran” and thus, his participation is voluntary. He had been in the gym with the rest of the guys, even playing in scrimmages. The SL coach didn’t even know why he wasn’t going. Then the Spurs said it was because he’s rehabbing to avoid more inquiry into the matter.

I hope he’s putting in time with his shooting coach, and working on his game, getting stronger, etc. But it also wouldn’t surprise me if all the bigs the Spurs have signed is because they have seen Luka at the gym and they know he isn’t ready to contribute in the regular rotation.

I think he could have benefitted from competing in SL, at least gauging where he is, and where he still needs work, etc. At this point Luka has a lot to prove next season… mostly that he belongs in the first place.

[RC_Drunkford]

I have been very suspicious of this for a long time. I think his rehab is an excuse to cover up for something. When talking about his international team, he even played some friendly exhibition games for them. I think he was cut and didn’t make the team but he said he withdrew to save face. The summer league, he’s already a 3 year “veteran” and thus, his participation is voluntary. He had been in the gym with the rest of the guys, even playing in scrimmages. The SL coach didn’t even know why he wasn’t going. Then the Spurs said it was because he’s rehabbing to avoid more inquiry into the matter.

He didn't get cut, he was injured. That's why he couldn't play for Croatia

[Mr. Body]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.

"Sources tell ESPN."

This is Klutch bullshit and ESPN is doing their part. Wolves are definitely interested, no fucking way would the Warriors or Spurs. They're trying to gin up something.

[SAGirl]

He didn't get cut, he was injured. That's why he couldn't play for Croatia
He played a couple of friendly games for them, IMO he didn’t make the team.

[The Truth #6]

Per real gm Spurs are interested in trading for Simmons. Warriors, Wolves as well.

Jack Haley:Rodman
Jock Landale: Ben Simmons

:lol

[NASpurs]

Imagine Brian Wrong doing a deal with Morey :lol

[spurspl]

"BenSimmons is open to being traded to the #Clippers, #Lakers or #Warriors, per Jason Dumas."

unexpected destinations

[Degoat]

GSW is the only somewhat reasonable team that could make a trade for Simmons and I don’t think they even want him lmao