Official 2021 Free Agency Day Thread (Begins at 5PM CT)

[RC_Drunkford]

They are saying on NBA tv that Pop is calling it a retool and they are not rebuilding.
Um Pop...who exactly are we retooling around? Old man Probably still think Timmy is still on the team lol

:pop: „Bryn. We got our Steph Curry“

[The Truth #6]

:pop: „Bryn. We got our Steph Curry“

Feels like the same tool.

[tonight...you]

I absolutely want to get back to you on that, but writing that original post was tiresome enough. I limit myself to one essay a day, for Spurstalk's sake :lol

But my answer will not be really changed, tbh. Signing Forbes, while a move I loathe, is absolutely something that gets the Spurs closer to the bottom of the NBA, so in terms of "picking a direction", it could hardly be any more clear, TBQH.

You ever heard of the monkey's paw? You wanted direction... :lol
Ridiculously great reference to the Monkey's Paw.

But seriously. I have very little doubt that Forbes' team contribution on the floor is going to be significantly less than his last stint here.
Barring injuries.

[spurraider21]

Chinook maybe you could help me out... i'm not seeing anything that indicates Jeffries is under contract. from what i've seen his deal didnt go beyond the 2020 season, and spurs just have his summer league rights by virtue of having claimed him off waivers, but i'm not seeing that he's taking up a roster spot anywhere

[Chinook]

Chinook maybe you could help me out... i'm not seeing anything that indicates Jeffries is under contract. from what i've seen his deal didnt go beyond the 2020 season, and spurs just have his summer league rights by virtue of having claimed him off waivers, but i'm not seeing that he's taking up a roster spot anywhere

So to answer your direct question, I was mistaken. Deeks has Jeffries as a team option. Apparently on 08/01, the Spurs decided to pick up the option - - rather, they didn't decide to pick it up, which defaults to it expiring. Then they didn't extend a QO. As far as I know, that wasn't tweeted out or anything. It was just on the NBA.com site.

Anyway, as far as I know, there aren't SL rights like in the d-league anyone could've signed Jeffries. SA is probably eyeing him as a two-way contract, which is why they have him along.

[spurraider21]

So to answer your direct question, I was mistaken. Deeks has Jeffries as a team option. Apparently on 08/01, the Spurs decided to pick up the option - - rather, they didn't decide to pick it up, which defaults to it expiring. Then they didn't extend a QO. As far as I know, that wasn't tweeted out or anything. It was just on the NBA.com site.

Anyway, as far as I know, there aren't SL rights like in the d-league anyone could've signed Jeffries. SA is probably eyeing him as a two-way contract, which is why they have him along.
thanks for clarification... so right now the spurs are at 19 assuming wieskamp gets a deal (and KBD's qo isn't rescinded)

[CGD]

Do we think the Spurs see Hutchinson as an asset? Otherwise 4M for a second?

[SpurPadre]

:pop: „Bryn. We got our Steph Curry“

I know you’re joking but he did compare him to Curry before.

[Chinook]

Do we think the Spurs see Hutchinson as an asset? Otherwise 4M for a second?

I don't think they'll waive him before camp. He's not two-way eligible, but the team would have RFA rights on him if they keep him. Never know if that'll matter. I don't think they see him as an asset, but he's a flier they probably want to fully check out before burning him. I'd say he's more likely to stay on than Eubanks at this point.

[RC_Drunkford]

I know you’re joking but he did compare him to Curry before.

that’s exactly why I said that

[Kurgan]

Do we think the Spurs see Hutchinson as an asset? Otherwise 4M for a second?

Based on his Bulls history, he seems like a headcase. Doesn't seem to fit with the "character over everything else" direction the front office has taken

[Uriel]

Who starts at the 4? Young or McDermott?

[spurraider21]

Who starts at the 4? Young or McDermott?
i imagine it would be Young as currently constructed

[tbdog]

Who starts at the 4? Young or McDermott?

Johnson. Mcdermott at the 3. Young plays small ball 5 or pairs up with The big Aussie.

[ace3g]

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[slick'81]

Who starts at the 4? Young or McDermott?


Thaddeus has only spot started the last two season so probably dougie or kj,tbh

[Degoat]

I think this will most likely be the rotation next season imo…
Jakob/Jock
KJ/Thad
Doug/Devin
White/Bryn
DJ/Lonnie

With Luka and Drew getting some Time too

[Blackhaus]

Start Luka and see what we have, sheesh. Such a shit job of coaching and developing him.

[spurs10]

I know you’re joking but he did compare him to Curry before. One is winning championships and the other is fishing in Idaho. :lol

Now I knew people would go insane with this news on ST, but he won't be in the starting lineup and will be a spot-up shooter, as he should.

[RC_Drunkford]

Who starts comes down to 3-point shooting. Keldon and DJ have hopefully worked on that. Everybody in the starting line up except Poeltl will need to be able to knock it down. Since Young shot a low percentage recently I‘d expect it to look like this:

Murray/Forbes
White/Walker
Keldon/Vassell
McDermott/Young
Poeltl/Landale

Of course I‘d rather start Samanic and let Forbes rot on the bench, but we all know the old man won’t do that. Landale will surprise a lot of people

[SpurPadre]

Based on his Bulls history, he seems like a headcase. Doesn't seem to fit with the "character over everything else" direction the front office has taken

Neither does that scrub they dug out from under a rock in the Outback that talks alot of shit.

[Excessive Egotist]

Starting lineup projections might be premature. There is a good chance Young and Aminu are moved before camp starts. Although, that only means ya'll have an excuse to run this exercise again.

[8FOR!3]

We obviously had an aggressive gameplan in free agency. We made moves early on, we got a little younger, and we focused on 3 point shooting. Honestly they kind of did what they said they were going to do. 3 point shooting (Primo/Joe/McBuckets/Forbes) + bigs (Aussie/the wrong Collins/Thad Young kinda). And I even appreciate that we brought in Chandler Hutchinson for what it's worth.

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Who starts at the 4? Young or McDermott?

Luka has got to be gone. They just made him compete for 3rd string. Truly stunningly bereft FO moves

[RC_Drunkford]

Starting lineup projections might be premature. There is a good chance Young and Aminu are moved before camp starts. Although, that only means ya'll have an excuse to run this exercise again.

well now that we got Hutchinson...

Young, Aminu and Hutchinson for Wiggins would work. Dubs could waive Hutchinson and Aminu to get some cap relief and Young would fit well on their team. With how bad their bench is they could even use Aminu. I‘m not sure how much they value Wiggins now that they got Klay back, but salary wise it would work.

[John B]

We obviously had an aggressive gameplan in free agency. We made moves early on, we got a little younger, and we focused on 3 point shooting. Honestly they kind of did what they said they were going to do. 3 point shooting (Primo/Joe/McBuckets/Forbes) + bigs (Aussie/the wrong Collins/Thad Young kinda). And I even appreciate that we brought in Chandler Hutchinson for what it's worth.

:ban::lol

[Excessive Egotist]

well now that we got Hutchinson...

Young, Aminu and Hutchinson for Wiggins would work. Dubs could waive Hutchinson and Aminu to get some cap relief and Young would fit well on their team. With how bad their bench is they could even use Aminu. I‘m not sure how much they value Wiggins now that they got Klay back, but salary wise it would work.

I was thinking Poeltl and Aminu to Warriors, Oubre Jr and Young + picks to Philly, and Simmons to Spurs.

[tbdog]

I was thinking Poeltl and Aminu to Warriors, Oubre Jr and Young + picks to Philly, and Simmons to Spurs.

Just so many moving parts. Like Oubre and Young for the sixers don't do it for them. They really need a scorer at the guard position. Even with the picks. Poeltl on the Warriors would be perfect for them. Good passer, defender, screener.

[Degoat]

It’s fun to speculate, something has to give though right? I can’t see Aminu or Chandler being on the team, we are crowded at every position now, but not in a good way lol

[ace3g]

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[Degoat]

Idk if it has been mentioned yet, but the spurs traded the rights to Nikola Milutinov in that trade for chandler and 2nd round pick lol

[slick'81]

Idk if it has been mentioned yet, but the spurs traded the rights to Nikola Milutinov in that trade for chandler and 2nd round pick lol


Yea it has. Good get for marks&nj

[BackHome]

Idk if it has been mentioned yet, but the spurs traded the rights to Nikola Milutinov in that trade for chandler and 2nd round pick lol

Damn I didn’t know that - Do we have our own 2nd round pick next year or was that given up in a trade?

[rankingtear]

Damn I didn’t know that - Do we have our own 2nd round pick next year or was that given up in a trade?

Used it to dump Diaw.

[spurraider21]

Yea it has. Good get for marks&nj
:lmao milutinov is not an NBA player. he's immobile and his only offensive game is stuffing 2 hand gorilla dunks

[slick'81]

:lmao milutinov is not an NBA player. he's immobile and his only offensive game is stuffing 2 hand gorilla dunks

:lol But spurs talk here said hes one of the best bigs in Europe

[spurraider21]

:lol But spurs talk here said hes one of the best bigs in Europe
i had hopes he would be, but every time i looked at footage of his recent games all he did was stuff uncontested 2 handed dunks as his only scoring output

[slick'81]

i had hopes he would be, but every time i looked at footage of his recent games all he did was stuff uncontested 2 handed dunks as his only scoring output


We got jock lansdale baaby

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Props to LDN, still getting paid. Wish he could've made his way back to SA.

[slick'81]

Props to LDN, still getting paid. Wish he could've made his way back to SA.

Rather have ldn then bryn:smokin

[FlAVaK]

:lol But spurs talk here said hes one of the best bigs in Europe

Best big of Europe is Robertas Javtokas :pop:

[pookenstein]

Guys, it's crystal clear. what's going on. RC is wasted, probably od'd. He is out of the picture. Pop has other things to deal with at the Olympics and Wright is like a child who is home alone for the first time. He just does everything that comes to his mind. Maybe Pop called him and asked how things are and he told him:
"Everything's great. Really. I just got us Collins for 3/22!"
"Really? keep it up boy! But remember, were going young."
"No problem, I got that covered as well."
After that there was no stopping him. Maybe somebody dared him to answer every question with yes for the rest of the day.

[JeffDuncan]

They did a wallet biopsy and saw he needed more money, I’m guessing. Weird to come back.


About LMA, what he needs is 49 more points. Career total points 19951.

[BillMc]

I think this will most likely be the rotation next season imo…
Jakob/Jock
KJ/Thad
Doug/Devin
White/Bryn
DJ/Lonnie

With Luka and Drew getting some Time too


Bryn a Spurs rotation player once again. And he'll start when White inevitably reinjures himself.

[Uriel]

Milutinov about to become the next Luis Scola :lmao

[buttsR4rebounding]

Milutinov about to become the next Luis Scola :lmao

[Chomag]

Milutinov about to become the next Luis Scola :lmao
You son of a bitch I'm in!

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:lmao milutinov is not an NBA player. he's immobile and his only offensive game is stuffing 2 hand gorilla dunks

that's racist.

[The Truth #6]

You son of a bitch I'm in!

Lol.

[Excessive Egotist]

Just so many moving parts. Like Oubre and Young for the sixers don't do it for them. They really need a scorer at the guard position. Even with the picks. Poeltl on the Warriors would be perfect for them. Good passer, defender, screener.


Yes, you're correct. I was just trying to illustrate that we're building toward the ability to make a reasonable offer to Philly. Whether Philly's response is reasonable is another matter. And leaving Philly aside, Poeltl for Oubre Jr is something Golden State should call us about. Jakob would be a great fit and bolster their championship aspirations. I suspect they're sitting on all their assets for Beal, tho.

[spurspl]

Ben Simmons has cut communications with 'basically everyone' on the Sixers.


He is open to joining the Warriors, per Jason Dumas TV

[Excessive Egotist]

Ben Simmons has cut communications with 'basically everyone' on the Sixers.


He is open to joining the Warriors, per Jason Dumas TV

Morey would ask for Oubre, Wiseman, Moody, and Kuminga.

[John B]

Ben Simmons has cut communications with 'basically everyone' on the Sixers.


He is open to joining the Warriors, per @JDumasReports

Does GSW have any play on this? Trading Wiggins and picks?

[The Truth #6]

Does GS even want Simmons?

[John B]

Morey would ask for Oubre, Wiseman, Moody, and Kuminga.

Or would Morey even accommodate his request instead? Since he Simmons has broken communications?

[azarel]

Does GS even want Simmons?
yah i don't get the connection between GS and Simmons..... there's another rumor of Damian Lillard swapping with Ben Simmons and that seems more likely.

[The Truth #6]

Morey will likely have to eat a shit sandwich because the longer this drags out I would think he loses leverage once people realize he isn’t going back, and so not only is his game full of questions, but the team is looking at a Kawhi stalemate. BS is hiding out, nestled in a Kardashian bosom, but that doesn’t really help his trade value.

[John B]

Morey will likely have to eat a shit sandwich because the longer this drags out I would think he loses leverage once people realize he isn’t going back, and so not only is his game full of questions, but the team is looking at a Kawhi stalemate. BS is hiding out, nestled in a Kardashian bosom, but that doesn’t really help his trade value.

Nah this guy has like 4 years left on his contract compared to one year loaner of Kawhi. But I think Morey would get the best offer regardless where Simmons wants to go and even make sure it’s not GSW just to in spite Simmons :lol

[The Truth #6]

Nah this guy has like 4 years left on his contract compared to one year loaner of Kawhi. But I think Morey would get the best offer regardless where Simmons wants to go and even make sure it’s not GSW just to in spite Simmons :lol

All possible. That long contract should be a positive because to get him you have to go all in. But his trajectory is going down. Would I still trade for him? Probably. But lots of obvious risks with him.

[BillMc]

Ben Simmons has cut communications with 'basically everyone' on the Sixers.


He is open to joining the Warriors, per @JDumasReports

Does GSW have any play on this? Trading Wiggins and picks?

The fact that he's cut communications shows a lack of maturity and professionalism. It could work in his (eventual) new team's favor as Simmons may have a chip on his shoulder and be out to prove everyone wrong and be highly motivated to hustle and work on his game.

Or it could be diva behaviour and he'll be a pain in the ass to his new team too.

Could go either way, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

The fact that he's cut communications shows a lack of maturity and professionalism. It could work in his (eventual) new team's favor as Simmons may have a chip on his shoulder and be out to prove everyone wrong and be highly motivated to hustle and work on his game.

Or it could be diva behaviour and he'll be a pain in the ass to his new team too.

Could go either way, tbh.

I dunno man, team kinda sold him out after the playoff loss. It was definitely on him, but also Philly is trying to move him so he doesn't really owe them loyalty. They're just asking for an insane amount so at this point he's reducing their leverage so he can get on with it.

[John B]

Why would GSW give up Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody, Kuminga and whatever how many picks Morey wants on Draymond 2.0? Simmons wouldn’t be a good fit to them.

While he fits perfectly with the Spurs as DJ’s replacement. I’m betting Simmons is going to come out of this swinging from the get go, disproving his critics. No better way to bring the Spurs back to contention. It’s a win/win for both.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why would Philly do that? They would be a worse team with whatever they would get from the Warriors. If I was the Spurs I would try to get him. If this franchise has one good thing, it’s Chip England. He doesn’t get enough credit

[BackHome]

Just stop with the Simmons coming to SA we have absolutely ZERO assets that Philly would want besides our number 1 picks for the next 5 years. We tanking and that’s that just start putting your energy in mock drafts for the next couple of years you will be happier. :toast

[Teamduncan21]

Just stop with the Simmons coming to SA we have absolutely ZERO assets that Philly would want besides our number 1 picks for the next 5 years. We tanking and that’s that just start putting your energy in mock drafts for the next couple of years you will be happier. :toast

I thought they wanted Forbes.

While I kinda agree with you I don't think Simmons to spurs is realistic, we are just trying to be positive and hoping for some kind of good deal patfo have in place, I wanna play a bit of devil's advocate. If we get Simmons. Then the hope is our picks will be lower.

Again I don't think Simmons trade is likely. But if you're getting a star player (despite flaws) we are not getting that high picks

[Teamduncan21]

Just stop with the Simmons coming to SA we have absolutely ZERO assets that Philly would want besides our number 1 picks for the next 5 years. We tanking and that’s that just start putting your energy in mock drafts for the next couple of years you will be happier. :toast

I thought they wanted Forbes.

While I kinda agree with you I don't think Simmons to spurs is realistic, we are just trying to be positive and hoping for some kind of good deal patfo have in place, I wanna play a bit of devil's advocate. If we get Simmons. Then the hope is our picks will be lower.

Again I don't think Simmons trade is likely. But if you're getting a star player (despite flaws) we are not getting that high picks

[spurraider21]

tanking is one thing, but they signed mcdermott to a 3 year deal :lol

[mo7888]

Well, maybe Simmins to the Spurs isn't realistic but, right now, Simmons to anybody isn't realistic because no other stars are on the market. Until Lillard or Beal or someone of that stature asks out our offer is really as good as anybody else....and if one of those stars does become available there's a real question they'll(Portland, Washington, etc) have to answer...do I want Simmons and the high floor he brings or would I rather have assets and bottom out for a true rebuild...As much as we bitch about being a middle of the road team the last few years we can surely appreciate the authenticity and gravity of that question.

[TimDunkem]

tanking is one thing, but they signed mcdermott to a 3 year deal :lol
Bro we just pushed the 2019 plan to 2020 but shit happened so it's being pushed back to 2025. If you can't handle that then go be a fake fan for one of those shitty teams with no rings! In PATFO cock we trust!!!1

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Bro we just pushed the 2019 plan to 2020 but shit happened so it's being pushed back to 2025. If you can't handle that then go be a fake fan for one of those shitty teams with no rings! In PATFO cock we trust!!!1

not sure if serious.

[Dex]

not sure if serious.

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[8FOR!3]

Kinda enjoying this now bc Simmons is about to pull a Kawhi and push his way out. Philly got greedy and now they're not gonna get shit back for him I bet.

[Atl Spur]

Some just can’t help themselves.....let it play out.

[Degoat]

The 76ers are sooo star hungry, it’s sad lol I hope they get a shitty deal for Simmons tbh

[Dex]

How many people do we have on the team now, like 30?

Murray
White
Walker
Johnson
Jones
Primo
Wieskamp
Vassell
Poeltl
Young
Aminu
Collins
Samanic
Hutchison
Landale
Eubanks
Forbes

Am I missing anyone?

That's too many guys...unless it's assumed the Spurs are waiving Aminu or putting Wieskamp on a 2-way or something

EDIT: Thanks everyone for reminding me about wonderboy.

[SpursRussia]

How many people do we have on the team now, like 30?

Murray
White
Walker
Johnson
Jones
Primo
Wieskamp
Vassell
Poeltl
Young
Aminu
Collins
Samanic
Hutchison
Landale
Eubanks

Am I missing anyone?

That's too many guys...unless it's assumed the Spurs are waiving Aminu or putting Wieskamp on a 2-way or something

You forgot our MVP, the mighty Bryn Forbes

[Ocotillo]

Kinda enjoying this now bc Simmons is about to pull a Kawhi and push his way out. Philly got greedy and now they're not gonna get shit back for him I bet.

A couple of differences, first Simmons has like three years left whereas Kawhi had one year so the receiving team in theory gets the player for a longer time. The other being, Kawhi had the unknown about the injury, was he damaged goods? Simmons has came off a disgraceful playoff performance, anti-clutch.

I see him forcing himself out and likely damaging his trade value but I would be very reluctant to take him. A guy who has chosen not to seriously work on his game where he needs to and then shrinks from the big moment, I don't want him even if he has a chip on his shoulder.

[mo7888]

How many people do we have on the team now, like 30?

Murray
White
Walker
Johnson
Jones
Primo
Wieskamp
Vassell
Poeltl
Young
Aminu
Collins
Samanic
Hutchison
Landale
Eubanks

Am I missing anyone?

That's too many guys...unless it's assumed the Spurs are waiving Aminu or putting Wieskamp on a 2-way or something

I'd guess waiving Aminu and Hutchinson...then add Forbes...and we're maxed out except for 2 way guys

[Dex]

You forgot our MVP, the mighty Bryn Forbes

I'm still hoping that was a bad dream.

[objective]

Kaminsky back to the Suns

One less Bartelstein client for the Spurs to sign

[spurraider21]

How many people do we have on the team now, like 30?

Murray
White
Walker
Johnson
Jones
Primo
Wieskamp
Vassell
Poeltl
Young
Aminu
Collins
Samanic
Hutchison
Landale
Eubanks

Am I missing anyone?

That's too many guys...unless it's assumed the Spurs are waiving Aminu or putting Wieskamp on a 2-way or something
Forbes

and Kates Bensa-Diop has a qualifying offer on the table which hasn't been rescinded as far as we know

[Dejounte]

Sad. I would like to keep KBD if at all possible.

[SpursRussia]

I'm still hoping that was a bad dream.

Can we pray hard enough that he pulls off a DeAndre Jordan?

[Dex]

I'd guess waiving Aminu and Hutchinson...then add Forbes...and we're maxed out except for 2 way guys

Or there is another trade in the works...better not be sending out one of the young guys for more 2nd round picks or something dumb like that.

[Leetonidas]

Wondering if we'll see any more movement or expanded trades tomorrow since FAs can officially begin signing at noon EDT.

[mo7888]

Or there is another trade in the works...better not be sending out one of the young guys for more 2nd round picks or something dumb like that.

It's certainly possible...

[Dejounte]

Or there is another trade in the works...better not be sending out one of the young guys for more 2nd round picks or something dumb like that.

just get rid of them, IMO. I’d like to get a clearer vision of what the roster is going to look like.

[John B]

The next phone notification I get, it would be that the Sixers, Spurs and a 3rd team, have agreed to send Simmons for DJ, Lonnie and picks, and Poeltl going to a 3rd party.

[mo7888]

With the news that Charlotte is interested in Lauri (the last I saw they only had $13M in room) I wonder if we'll try and get back in that conversation?

[TD 21]

I don't know why anyone would think an aspiring contender, with a ticking time bomb (health and patience wise) of a superstar, would trade Simmons for the load of crap the Spurs can realistically offer.

They'd have sell most of their draft capital, with little to no protection, for a half decade, to even get them interested and even that would only hold appeal if they think it has more value league wide to get them a perimeter star than Simmons does.

[ginobilized]

Are Myles Turner or Sabonis possible targets?

What a letdown that we have gone 24hrs without adding any new players.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah I don’t see how the Sixers would take anything the Spurs have to offer. I‘m more so looking at Siakam, Barnes or Turner, but even that seems unlikely.

[Leetonidas]

Yeah I don’t see how the Sixers would take anything the Spurs have to offer. I‘m more so looking at Siakam, Barnes or Turner, but even that seems unlikely.

well, they already offered us Simmons, so clearly they would take the Spurs offer if it matched what they wanted. problem is what they want from anyone is outrageous :lol

[mo7888]

well, they already offered us Simmons, so clearly they would take the Spurs offer if it matched what they wanted. problem is what they want from anyone is outrageous :lol

There demands are coming down now though...they've re-engaged the Warriors and maybe other teams...I know they really want lillard but I wouldn't be surprised if they settle for McCollum.

[Leetonidas]

There demands are coming down now though...they've re-engaged the Warriors and maybe other teams...I know they really want lillard but I wouldn't be surprised if they settle for McCollum.

I think a CJ for Simmons swap makes a ton of sense for both teams which means it probably wont happen :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

well, they already offered us Simmons, so clearly they would take the Spurs offer if it matched what they wanted. problem is what they want from anyone is outrageous :lol

well it was 4 1st round picks right? If the Spurs could somehow aquire another pick they could offer 3 firsts and the 2 2022 seconds which are like the 30th pick basically and one young player. Spurs would only give up one of their own picks that way, wouldn't even be that crazy of a deal.

[Leetonidas]

well it was 4 1st round picks right? If the Spurs could somehow aquire another pick they could offer 3 firsts and the 2 2022 seconds which are like the 30th pick basically and one young player. Spurs would only give up one of their own picks that way, wouldn't even be that crazy of a deal.

Yup. I am not a huge fan of Simmons but definitely think he could use a change of scenery and may flourish playing in a system that isnt heavily reliant on a dominant big that operates in the post. I really hope Spurs try and acquire another first from someone for some of the pieces they've acquired and call Philly back and see if they will take that first, the Chicago first, and one of our firsts along with a swap and one of DJ or White for Simmons. I think 3 firsts and a swap along with a young player might get it done

[Poolboy5623]

Favorite time of the year here... Spur fan thinking A) the team has pieces other teams want in trades and B) that the potential trade target would even want to come to SA to play lol! Good stuff!!

[Poolboy5623]

Yup. I am not a huge fan of Simmons but definitely think he could use a change of scenery and may flourish playing in a system that isnt heavily reliant on a dominant big that operates in the post. I really hope Spurs try and acquire another first from someone for some of the pieces they've acquired and call Philly back and see if they will take that first, the Chicago first, and one of our firsts along with a swap and one of DJ or White for Simmons. I think 3 firsts and a swap along with a young player might get it done

What piece (specifically) recently acquired would bring back a first??

[Leetonidas]

What piece (specifically) recently acquired would bring back a first??

Probably none :lol but thaddeus young definitely has the most trade value. Maybe not in the off-season but I could see a desperate contender trading for him at the deadline. You never know. Lotta dumb GMs out there

[Robz4000]

Probably none :lol but thaddeus young definitely has the most trade value. Maybe not in the off-season but I could see a desperate contender trading for him at the deadline. You never know. Lotta dumb GMs out there

Ours included. Wrong would prolly attach a first round pick to him in order to get him where he wants to go to "do right by him".

[Kurgan]

Probably none :lol but thaddeus young definitely has the most trade value. Maybe not in the off-season but I could see a desperate contender trading for him at the deadline. You never know. Lotta dumb GMs out there

Only way I see Thad bringing back a first is if the Spurs inflate his value - give him lots of minutes, let him statpad on a bad Spurs team and try to move him at the deadline

[tbdog]

One vision I can think of that could make sense for sixers is Siakam and dargic going to sixers, Simmons going to Spurs, Poeltl, White, Young, curry going to Toronto. Then there is a question of picks. But I think those numbers work fit wise for both Toronto and Sixers.

[TD 21]

One vision I can think of that could make sense for sixers is Siakam and dargic going to sixers, Simmons going to Spurs, Poeltl, White, Young, curry going to Toronto. Then there is a question of picks. But I think those numbers work fit wise for both Toronto and Sixers.

Doesn't work . . .

To 76ers: Siakam . . . only makes sense if they turn Harris into McCollum or someone of that ilk.

To Spurs: Simmons . . . retaining White and ridding themselves of Murray and to a lesser extent Poeltl, would be key.

To Raptors: Murray, Poeltl, Young, at least one Spurs 1st (depending on the protection).

[Degoat]

I know it’s all hypothetical trades but spurs would have to be careful trading DJ in any potential Simmons deal since they’re both represented by Klutch sports

[Prime BEEF]

Kinda enjoying this now bc Simmons is about to pull a Kawhi and push his way out. Philly got greedy and now they're not gonna get shit back for him I bet.
Yup. Not going to get half as much as they are asking for. GS laughed at their offer…and that was before Simmons hurt his value by stopping communicating with 76ers

[Prime BEEF]

DJ, White, Walker (or Vassell), 22 1st and 24 1st for Simmons and Springer

[kobyz]

Spurs get: Simmons
Sixers get: Murray, Buddy Hield, Thaddeus Young, 4 future first
kings get: Al-Farouq Aminu, Devin Vassell, Luka Samanic

[scott]

Yo, has anyone considered that Simmons isn't even worth DJ or White straight up?

[SAGirl]

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Now this is just speculation but the media is already spinning.
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[slick'81]

Apparently warriors are again discussing a deal with phili

[BillMc]

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Now this is just speculation but the media is already spinning.
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Interesting.

[barakz21]

Wow, Ben Simmons not taking The Process’ calls? Dude has some nerve, especially after his crap performance and the latter putting the team on his back.

[PhantomDashCam]

Wow, Ben Simmons not taking The Process’ calls? Dude has some nerve, especially after his crap performance and the latter putting the team on his back.

With Ben Simmons, it's likely he just missed them...

[RC_Drunkford]

They should definitely ship out White and not Murray if they make a trade. White is older and had foot issues almost every season, Murray has a higher ceiling

[Ocotillo]

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I have been worried about Keldon buddying up with Tatum or someone and wanting to go play on another team.

[RC_Drunkford]

Could be a 3-team trade

Warriors: Simmons

Portland: Draymond, Wiseman

Philly: McCollum and picks

[Dejounte]

Wonder if we will hear 12:01 signings today

[Degoat]

Wonder if we will hear 12:01 signings today

I think it’s tomorrow at 12:01pm in the afternoon unless I’m mistaken

[Dejounte]

I think it’s tomorrow at 12:01pm in the afternoon unless I’m mistaken

You are correct

[bluebellmaniac]

I think it’s tomorrow at 12:01pm in the afternoon unless I’m mistaken

PM sounds right.

[MoSpur02]

Oubre is in talks with Charlotte

[SAGirl]

I have been worried about Keldon buddying up with Tatum or someone and wanting to go play on another team.
He’s too young and under team control. These type of machinations is star type stuff. He’s not there yet.

[spurs10]

I think it’s tomorrow at 12:01pm in the afternoon unless I’m mistaken Yep


You are correct Going to be interesting...we have a lotta pieces. Think someone's going away.

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[Cardinal]

I wonder why Kawhi hasn’t agreed to a new contract yet. Any thoughts?

[BillMc]

What major players are left to be had in trades? Who is being shopped?

Simmons...

Porzingis...

And?

[ducks]

I wonder why Kawhi hasn’t agreed to a new contract yet. Any thoughts?

Language in bill
Uncle perks
He wants control of clippers
Or he wants 33 percent of clippers

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

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[stephen jackson]

We paid McDermott more than oubre smh this team is dumb af

[azarel]

We paid McDermott more than oubre smh this team is dumb af
but the reason why oubre is being paid so low is because of his inconsistent 3 pt shot...

[Chinook]

They should definitely ship out White and not Murray if they make a trade. White is older and had foot issues almost every season, Murray has a higher ceiling

White is a lot better than Murray. DJM would have to improve a ton to be the better player. White just has to increase his games played by stat up to like 70 to be better than Murray can be expected to be. If a team will be able take either, you trade White if your goal is to tank and Murray if your goal is to win games.

[lefty20]

What major players are left to be had in trades? Who is being shopped?

Simmons...

Porzingis...

And?

I think Siakam is available as well.

[BillMc]

I think Siakam is available as well.

Cheers. :boboForgot about him. He'd be a good trade target.

[spurspl]

the best trade targets for the spurs right now are picks and rookies

[tbdog]

White is a lot better than Murray. DJM would have to improve a ton to be the better player. White just has to increase his games played by stat up to like 70 to be better than Murray can be expected to be. If a team will be able take either, you trade White if your goal is to tank and Murray if your goal is to win games.

I think Murray is more of a disruptive defender. And imo, I think disruptive defense is the future rather than stoppers.

[JuneJive]

Simmons would bolt for Cali the first chance he gets.

Fuck him and his inflated ego.

[Ignazzz]

Simmons would bolt for Cali the first chance he gets.

Fuck him and his inflated ego.
agree. High risk move

[Prime BEEF]

the best trade targets for the spurs right now are picks and rookies
Agreed but in order to get picks we’d likely have to take on a bad contract.

could do something like Walker/Young/Aminu/Poeltl to Dallas for KP and 2 1sts

Dallas gets a better defending center and now has very tradable expiring contracts. SA gets a player that used to be good and has potential to regain some of that play not playing next to fat harden and gets picks. If KP doesn’t improve his play then great, he helps accelerate the tank.

also, spurs are likely going to be really awful next year. You’d think KP could get good stats on that bad team. If he does, we could flip his value (artificially of course), find some dumb team that thinks he’s improved and trade him for more picks.

[Prime BEEF]

Simmons would bolt for Cali the first chance he gets.

Fuck him and his inflated ego.
If a player has pulled a Kawhitter before, they’ll likely do it again at the first sight of any obstacle or rough patch. He’s mentally weak…although has lots of talent

[rankingtear]

tanking is one thing, but they signed mcdermott to a 3 year deal :lol

Would you rather them sign Drummond for that money?

[spurraider21]

Would you rather them sign Drummond for that money?
no

[JeffDuncan]

Would you rather them sign Drummond for that money?

Beg your pardon? Drummond signed with the 76ers for the minimum.

What is the meaning of your comment?

[Dejounte]

Before free agents can sign there has to be open roster spots, right? Will we see players waived first?

[JeffDuncan]

Before free agents can sign there has to be open roster spots, right? Will we see players waived first?


Just to review how things stand...

At the moment, the active roster is 9.

7 acquisitions are pending.

That doesn’t count Primo, who is a guaranteed contract.

It also doesn’t count Wieskamp or Diop.

That’s 19 so somebody is going someplace.

[JeffDuncan]

I find that teams are allowed to have 20 players under contract during the offseason. “Offseason” ends on the day before the season opener. So there’s no urgency now.

[John B]

Agreed but in order to get picks we’d likely have to take on a bad contract.

could do something like Walker/Young/Aminu/Poeltl to Dallas for KP and 2 1sts

Dallas gets a better defending center and now has very tradable expiring contracts. SA gets a player that used to be good and has potential to regain some of that play not playing next to fat harden and gets picks. If KP doesn’t improve his play then great, he helps accelerate the tank.

also, spurs are likely going to be really awful next year. You’d think KP could get good stats on that bad team. If he does, we could flip his value (artificially of course), find some dumb team that thinks he’s improved and trade him for more picks.

Can the Spurs already trade the players that they just received? Sorry I’m not so familiar with trade rules and limitations. So in essence, they can just collect these assets (and picks) and reroute them? Thanks.

[tbdog]

Can the Spurs already trade the players that they just received? Sorry I’m not so familiar with trade rules and limitations. So in essence, they can just collect these assets (and picks) and reroute them? Thanks.

Yes, kinda. They can include other teams in the original trade. Once the trade becomes official, you can only trade the player in a one for one.

[LCM]

Yes, kinda. They can include other teams in the original trade. Once the trade becomes official, you can only trade the player in a one for one.

So say Dragic doesn't want to be in Toronto, and wants to be rerouted to Dallas, to play with Luka. Toronto and the Heat could fold in the assests of the Spurs/Bull trade since DeRozen was 3 year deal (S&T requirement), everyone else was expiring, and the Bulls would reroute what the Spurs received if the Spurs wanted to take a stab at KP or Siakam to Dallas or Toronto? Also, extra assets could be added, say a Samanic or Walker, to make the money or roster spaces work out?

[spurraider21]

would feel pretty dumb to let KBD go so we could have aminu on the roster tbh...

[Degoat]

would feel pretty dumb to let KBD go so we could have aminu on the roster tbh...

Are we sure Aminu isn’t better though?

[spurraider21]

Are we sure Aminu isn’t better though?
not sure at all. but it doesnt matter who might be a better player today. this team isnt winning. aminu is on the downside of his career, while KBP can only get better and potentially be a role player for several seasons. the latter should have more value to a rebuilding team. aminu's most obvious source of value comes from him being on a 10 mil expiring deal

[Dejounte]

Hmm I wonder if Luka and filler for Lauri will work

[Excessive Egotist]

Hmm I wonder if Luka and filler for Lauri will work

The filler would likely be players we are receiving from Chicago for DeRozan. Feels like we'd be stealing from our DeRozan haul to land Lauri.

[Excessive Egotist]

Spurs should flip Young for a pick between now and trade deadline, but his value will rise as we approach deadline. I'm hopeful they can get a late first for him in February.

[Prime BEEF]

Can the Spurs already trade the players that they just received? Sorry I’m not so familiar with trade rules and limitations. So in essence, they can just collect these assets (and picks) and reroute them? Thanks.
Not an expert in nba trade rules and won’t claim to be. There’s a lot of smart posters on here that do have pretty good knowledge on that though. After saying all that, I believe that we can trade both young and aminu but I have heard that trading them both as part of the same trade package might be against the rules

[Prime BEEF]

Just to review how things stand...

At the moment, the active roster is 9.

7 acquisitions are pending.

That doesn’t count Primo, who is a guaranteed contract.

It also doesn’t count Wieskamp or Diop.

That’s 19 so somebody is going someplace.
Those numbers would suggest that 2 large trades might be happening. By large I mean multiple players not necessarily for star players

[Leetonidas]

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[Excessive Egotist]

Aminu and Young can't be re-packaged for a few weeks but assuming that time has passed, does anyone see 3 for 1 roster consolidation trades the Spurs could execute?

[cjw]

not sure at all. but it doesnt matter who might be a better player today. this team isnt winning. aminu is on the downside of his career, while KBP can only get better and potentially be a role player for several seasons. the latter should have more value to a rebuilding team. aminu's most obvious source of value comes from him being on a 10 mil expiring deal

Aminu’s $10mm expiring deal combined with Young being on an expiring deal can make things very interesting for the Spurs at the deadline. I like KDB but you always keep the expiring deal vs. buying it out because of what it can bring you back. KDB is nice but not that special.

Need to canvas who the expiring deals are but I think Young could be worth a late first on his own.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Iggy going back to GS

[Leetonidas]

With the Hornets offering Oubre that deal, does anyone even have 15M+ in space for Lauri at this point? Seems like he may end up taking an MLE deal

[The Truth #6]

Aminu and Young can't be re-packaged for a few weeks but assuming that time has passed, does anyone see 3 for 1 roster consolidation trades the Spurs could execute?

That’s basically my lingering question for the FO: what’s the next move? Personally, I hope it isn’t Laurie. I’m happy to see how well Jock can shoot but with more overall production and less baggage and bloated contract of Laurie. I know, different positions, but I don’t care. Laurie seems like frustration to me. I’d rather see Luka play. But we’ll see what the FO does.

[JeffDuncan]

Those numbers would suggest that 2 large trades might be happening. By large I mean multiple players not necessarily for star players


The Spurs are going to trade, or waive, somebody before the season begins. Or buy them out (oh jeez. Sorry I mentioned that. DeMarre Carroll is still on the books, I believe, for one last year. But not on the roster, at least)

A multiplayer trade would be the most direct way to reduce the roster, but then, how many teams have roster spots to take multiple players, at this point? I have no idea, and there are draft picks to sign, all around the league, in addition to the vets being traded. Only thing I’m certain of is that the people running the spreadsheets are working overtime.

[rjv]

lauri will likely get any kind of offer before LMA does.

[JeffDuncan]

lauri will likely get any kind of offer before LMA does.

Um, doubt it. If LMA is willing to sign for the vet min again, like he did with the Nets, lots of teams would be interested.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Um, doubt it. If LMA is willing to sign for the vet min again, like he did with the Nets, lots of teams would be interested.

He would fit right in with the Lakers. Heck might not even increase their average age.

[rjv]

Um, doubt it. If LMA is willing to sign for the vet min again, like he did with the Nets, lots of teams would be interested.

the problem i see with LMA is that teams are going to balk at his medical history. even with just the vet min at stake, LMA is going to have to overcome that very legitimate concern.

[JeffDuncan]

He would fit right in with the Lakers. Heck might not even increase their average age.


Lol. He might make the Fakers younger, I’m not sure.

[ismael-robert]

So deals could've started being signed about 55min ago right since it was 1201 est...so nothing finalized yet

[JeffDuncan]

the problem i see with LMA is that teams are going to balk at his medical history. even with just the vet min at stake, LMA is going to have to overcome that very legitimate concern.


Yes, he’ll have to get league clearance because of the heart condition. It’s against NBA rules for a player to die during a game. Or even in practice, probably.

But if he can get clearance, there will be teams who would open a roster spot for him. The NBA makes it financially attractive to sign vets of long service, for one thing, and also he’s a “name.”

It would be a touching moment if he can get that twenty-thousandth point, and he can wave to the crowd, and everyone cheer. I don’t mean with the Spurs tho.

[rankingtear]

So deals could've started being signed about 55min ago right since it was 1201 est...so nothing finalized yet

Woj said 6pm

[JeffDuncan]

Woj said 6pm


There was a 6:01pm beginning to free agency negotiations, but the signing period began at 12:01pm (to have at least an afternoon available before the weekend.)

[Dejounte]

No news yet? Weitd

[rjv]

Yes, he’ll have to get league clearance because of the heart condition. It’s against NBA rules for a player to die during a game. Or even in practice, probably.

But if he can get clearance, there will be teams who would open a roster spot for him. The NBA makes it financially attractive to sign vets of long service, for one thing, and also he’s a “name.”

It would be a touching moment if he can get that twenty-thousandth point, and he can wave to the crowd, and everyone cheer. I don’t mean with the Spurs tho.

outside the medical concerns, i'm just wondering who could use him. and which of these teams he would consider. i'm guessing he would want to be a part of a contending team again. the mavs, maybe? would the blazers welcome him back? LMA may have to wait for more deals to get done before seeing who would like to have him as a serviceable big for certain situations.

[Leetonidas]

Woj said 6pm

Nba.com says 12:01 also. Think woj made a typo

[Dex]

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[barakz21]

With Ben Simmons, it's likely he just missed them...

Probably. But then again, he does strike me as a guy who doesn’t care so it’s also feasible that he deliberately ignored the calls.

[Leetonidas]

No official announcements yet on any of the signings on any of the Spurs pages

[John B]

No official announcements yet on any of the signings on any of the Spurs pages
That means they’re getting moved?

[Dejounte]

No official announcement from any team

[spurraider21]

No official announcement from any team
the day the earth stood still

[rjv]

That means they’re getting moved?

i think we'll know more at about 11:01 AM tonight (while we're watching the gold medal game and reading over the thread comments about the summer league).

[rjv]

grayson allen was traded to the bucks

[Degoat]

I’ve seen some official announcements, just nothing from the spurs

[Joseph Kony]

That means they’re getting moved?

Means the Spurs are probably working on finalizing the details of the trades before actually signing anyone. I'm sure there's an order they need to do it in to maximize space

[LCM]

grayson allen was traded to the bucks

Cheaper DiVincinzo ... Divo getting moved so they don't extend him looks like.

[Degoat]

Will the spurs have the MLE to use? I saw one report saying that’s what we used on Zach Collins

[bluebellmaniac]

Means the Spurs are probably working on finalizing the details of the trades before actually signing anyone. I'm sure there's an order they need to do it in to maximize space

Yes, extremely important to make sure all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed. Get the order wrong and everything falls apart too.

[spurraider21]

Will the spurs have the MLE to use? I saw one report saying that’s what we used on Zach Collins
unless we are operating above the cap, i dont see it

[bluebellmaniac]

Will the spurs have the MLE to use? I saw one report saying that’s what we used on Zach Collins

If they do the order right, should get the Over the Cap MLE.

[Leetonidas]

Will the spurs have the MLE to use? I saw one report saying that’s what we used on Zach Collins

:lol Spurs probably offered Forbes the full MLE for 3 years

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs don't have the MLE cause they under the cap

[bluebellmaniac]

Spurs don't have the MLE cause they under the cap

Depends on the order of the deals.

[rankingtear]

Depends on the order of the deals.

How? They have to use capspace on McDermott and Hutchinson.

[Atl Spur]

It’s funny to hear everything I say repeated with a twist... moves await

[timvp]

Hopefully we get some contract details soon, tbh. Zollins' deal is a lot better if there is a lot of unguaranteed money in it. I'm also hoping Jock's second year is a team option and not a player option.

[baseline bum]

Spurs don't have the MLE cause they under the cap

And yet with $50 million to spend the Spurs managed to sign below MLE talent.

[Mugen]

And yet with $50 million to spend the Spurs managed to sign below MLE talent.

Spending top dollar on mediocre at best FAs while drafting 2nd round talent with your lottery pick. If you don't like that, you don't like Spurs basketball :lol

[baseline bum]

Spending top dollar on mediocre at best FAs while drafting 2nd round talent with your lottery pick. If you don't like that, you don't like Spurs basketball :lol

LOL mediocre is very generous

[Mugen]

I swear to god if Lonnie is some type of trade throw in :lol

Luka - I can somewhat understand since their might be some huge character red flags BTS even though he showed something during his limited time last year....

But giving up on Lonnie when he can potentially give you 15-20ppg without Derozan would be Wright on point :lol

[DPG21920]

Hopefully we get some contract details soon, tbh. Zollins' deal is a lot better if there is a lot of unguaranteed money in it. I'm also hoping Jock's second year is a team option and not a player option.

At the price we paid Doug and his age I’m hoping at least the third year is a team option/fully non guaranteed as well

[slick'81]

LOL mediocre is very generous


Pretty much the consensus. Spurs overpayed for marginal players

[BillMc]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but once a player is signed they can't be traded again until December? So any trades to get down to the number of players must be included in the original agreed upon trade. For example, if they decided to trade Young, they'd have to modify the original trade to a three team trade before putting it in ink. Otherwise, they couldn't trade young (or anyone acquired) for months. Is that right?

[RC_Drunkford]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but once a player is signed they can't be traded again until December? So any trades to get down to the number of players must be included in the original agreed upon trade. For example, if they decided to trade Young, they'd have to modify the original trade to a three team trade before putting it in ink. Otherwise, they couldn't trade young (or anyone acquired) for months. Is that right?

you are correct

[BillMc]

you are correct

Thanks. :bobo

[Dejounte]

28 mil for 3 years for Kyle Lowry is insane

[SAGirl]

grayson allen was traded to the bucks
Great move for them. Grayson is better than Forbes, maybe not in shooter, but bigger, more athletic, just better in other areas. As a cheap role player I like him, even better than McD… thing is he’s a guard, and McD a forward… but overall, I really like that addition for Milawaukee.

[JeffDuncan]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but once a player is signed they can't be traded again until December? So any trades to get down to the number of players must be included in the original agreed upon trade. For example, if they decided to trade Young, they'd have to modify the original trade to a three team trade before putting it in ink. Otherwise, they couldn't trade young (or anyone acquired) for months. Is that right?


Three months from the date when they sign, or December 15, whichever is later.

Now, this is for new contracts. It would for sure apply to Zollins, McDermott, Jock, and Gak Forbes. Trades of old contracts might be subject to other terms, I don't know.

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[JeffDuncan]

28 mil for 3 years for Kyle Lowry is insane

I find 3yrs for 85 M.

[Dejounte]

I find 3yrs for 85 M.

oops i meant to insert per year in there

[rjv]

Great move for them. Grayson is better than Forbes, maybe not in shooter, but bigger, more athletic, just better in other areas. As a cheap role player I like him, even better than McD… thing is he’s a guard, and McD a forward… but overall, I really like that addition for Milawaukee.

yeah, i like this move as well. grabbing hill and allen may make up for the loss of tucker (who actually had a rather lackluster finals).

[BillMc]

Three months from the date when they sign, or December 15, whichever is later.

Now, this is for new contracts. It would for sure apply to Zollins, McDermott, Jock, and Gak Forbes. Trades of old contracts might be subject to other terms, I don't know.

Cheers bro.

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Get MacGruber!

[JeffDuncan]

oops i meant to insert per year in there

Ah yes. Well, Lowry is still shooting close to 40% from 3, over 7 assists, and he’s still playing heavy minutes. Plus ye olde veteran leadership. Hard to replace.

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[Dirks_Finale]

oops i meant to insert per year in there

Didn't Demar make similar money? This market overall is insane...and Lowry has bigger avocados. Can actually hit a clutch shot.

[ace3g]

Mentioned already but Spurs didn't have to announce all their signings today but odd at least one wasn't. Have to think they are trying to make one more move .

[timvp]

If Forbes or McDemott pull a Marcus Morris, I will not be sad, tbh.

[timvp]

Thad Young getting repackaged right away would probably be smart. He's a good player and a good fit on the Cream Team but I worry his value will tank to zero if the Spurs hold onto him. He's only really good if you let him freelance and spend time at center.

[DPG21920]

Thad Young getting repackaged right away would probably be smart. He's a good player and a good fit on the Cream Team but I worry his value will tank to zero if the Spurs hold onto him. He's only really good if you let him freelance and spend time at center.

Agree - said the same thing. His value can’t go up on Spurs.

[objective]

Thaddeus to Portland might be a move a desperate tool like Olshey could do. How many future firsts do they have? Probably wouldn't happen until things with Ben Simmons get settled

[Joseph Kony]

If Forbes or McDemott pull a Marcus Morris, I will not be sad, tbh.
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[tbdog]

So say Dragic doesn't want to be in Toronto, and wants to be rerouted to Dallas, to play with Luka. Toronto and the Heat could fold in the assests of the Spurs/Bull trade since DeRozen was 3 year deal (S&T requirement), everyone else was expiring, and the Bulls would reroute what the Spurs received if the Spurs wanted to take a stab at KP or Siakam to Dallas or Toronto? Also, extra assets could be added, say a Samanic or Walker, to make the money or roster spaces work out?

I believe so. Kind of like Westbrook traded including other teams after the fact.

[JeffDuncan]

Didn't Demar make similar money? ...

Basically identical, 3yrs at 85 M. Lowry and DDR can get together and laugh about it, I guess.

[RC_Drunkford]

Brooklyn wants Thad Young and has a trade exception. Maybe we’re working with Sean Marks here

[CGD]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but once a player is signed they can't be traded again until December? So any trades to get down to the number of players must be included in the original agreed upon trade. For example, if they decided to trade Young, they'd have to modify the original trade to a three team trade before putting it in ink. Otherwise, they couldn't trade young (or anyone acquired) for months. Is that right?

I believe so which is why it might makes sense to reroute the Chicago players now. That said, I think Spurs can flip Thad, McBob, and even Forbes to contenders at the deadline for real assets, so wont be sad if it doesn’t happen now.

[CGD]

Brooklyn wants Thad Young and has a trade exception. Maybe we’re working with Sean Marks here

Interesting thought

[Kurik]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the Nets trade exception too low to fit Young’s salary?

[objective]

Brooklyn wants Thad Young and has a trade exception. Maybe we’re working with Sean Marks here

Is it big enough to take in his salary? I didn't think it was

[RC_Drunkford]

It's not. It's 11.5 million, Thad's salary is 14.2 million. Can they send us a player to match? Not sure if that's allowed

[Kurik]

It's not. It's 11.5 million, Thad's salary is 14.2 million. Can they send us a player to match? Not sure if that's allowed

No, I believe you can only attach a pick with a trade exception. The incoming player can’t be over the trade exception value.

[JeffDuncan]

When Thad Young was included in the Bulls deal it gave the impression he’d be the Rudy Gay replacement. Implying the Spurs would keep him. We’ll see.

[objective]

Young can be packaged with other players starting August 22 according to an NBA trade machine site

Listened to a Pacers podcast from the 1st night of free agency and they were talking about things that sound perfect for Young.

The team said they wanted to add a culture changer, an 'al Jefferson-type'. Young was beloved in Chicago.

And they're in a win-now mode.

They're close to the tax i think so they wouldn't want to take back too much extra.

Don't know if Turner fits with SA but maybe a 3 team deal

[RC_Drunkford]

Young can be packaged with other players starting August 22 according to an NBA trade machine site

Listened to a Pacers podcast from the 1st night of free agency and they were talking about things that sound perfect for Young.

The team said they wanted to add a culture changer, an 'al Jefferson-type'. Young was beloved in Chicago.

And they're in a win-now mode.

They're close to the tax i think so they wouldn't want to take back too much extra.

Don't know if Turner fits with SA but maybe a 3 team deal

Turner would be great here. I heard they wanted a vet as a locker room presence and Young played there before.

Maybe Young + Poeltl for Turner + filler. That would be a great deal for us, but wouldn't open up any roster spots nor help Indiana shed salary. Maybe adding Aminu or Hutchinson so they can waive them and get some cap relief would get it done. Would be stupid to give up a player who was in the DPOY race at the start of the season for that though.

[JeffDuncan]

It’s hard to see the Pacers paying that much for a backup for Sabonis.

[ismael-robert]

Spurs orchestrating historic 30 team trade to spread levity throughout league...oh yeah per wohj

[RC_Drunkford]

It’s hard to see the Pacers paying that much for a backup for Sabonis.

He started every game. How is he a back up?

[JeffDuncan]

He started every game. How is he a back up?


Exactly.

[objective]

Listened to a different pacers podcast and they were talking about the slim possibility of doing a sign and trade of McDermott into the Spurs space.

The gist was them sending the Spurs a 2nd to do it, and because of has base year compensation the resulting trade exception would only be worth $7 million, but they could carry it into the start of next off_-season before it expires and then have that plus the mle to improve their team next year

[cjw]

Listened to a different pacers podcast and they were talking about the slim possibility of doing a sign and trade of McDermott into the Spurs space.

The gist was them sending the Spurs a 2nd to do it, and because of has base year compensation the resulting trade exception would only be worth $7 million, but they could carry it into the start of next off_-season before it expires and then have that plus the mle to improve their team next year

So Spurs would send back a top 55 protected second (i.e. something that never conveys)? Or draft rights to someone like Hanga? Would have to send something back

[objective]

So Spurs would send back a top 55 protected second (i.e. something that never conveys)? Or draft rights to someone like Hanga? Would have to send something back

Right.

[Atl Spur]

We are piling up picks!

[JeffDuncan]

So Spurs would send back a top 55 protected second (i.e. something that never conveys)? Or draft rights to someone like Hanga? Would have to send something back


The Spurs rummaged around in a drawer and found Cady Lalanne, so there’s no doubt they could come up with something. I don’t know the technicalities, but apparently it wouldn’t have to be an active player.

[Fusternino]

Kawhi has officially re-signed with the Clippers, but I see no contract details.

Again, I was right that Spurs needed to force Lakers and Clippers into a bidding war.

[ace3g]

Spurs finally announce some of their moves.

SPURS COMPLETE TRADE San Antonio Acquires Second Round Pick & Chandler Hutchison in Five-Team Trade

Posted: Aug 06, 2021


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SAN ANTONIO (Aug. 6, 2021) – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have acquired a 2022 second round draft pick and Chandler Hutchison for the draft rights to Nikola Milutinov as part of a five-team trade that included the Brooklyn Nets, Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Lakers and Washington Wizards.

[Fusternino]

Doesn't it make sense to acquire Hutchinson first if he will just be waived?

[NASpurs]

Milutinov :cry we’ll miss you bro