Official 2021 Free Agency Day Thread (Begins at 5PM CT)

[John B]

You legally changed your name to Tim?

I hope he has no regerts :lol

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I'm mostly agree actually. Duncan is a super wise guy and I agree he can adjust. Sorry my post was based on the true Duncan who doesn't have super lateral quickness and doesn't have a 3 pt shot.

:tu

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

in today's nba the mvp is Jokic

how could duncan not crominate?

[Seventyniner]

I hope he has no regerts :lol

You mean ragrets?

[tonight...you]

I hope he has no regerts :lol
:rollin

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

[Dejounte]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

Awful trade for the Clippers. Bledsoe is trash. Bev, Rondo are bad too but not as terrible as Bledsoe.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I hope he has no regerts :lol

I go by TIm. Not my legal name. I immigrated to US in 1995 and without an English name until I saw Duncan on TV. I was attracted by his humble manner, his wisdom and his work ethic. Now I'm still inspired by Tim Duncan everyday.

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 47s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1427065149085659137) The Grizzlies, with an already packed roster, are open-minded on the futures of all three players in Memphis -- and will likely consider trades with some of those arriving in this deal. Memphis gets salary cap flexibility in the summer of 2022 with trade.


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Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
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The Grizzlies are going to have to eat some guaranteed money, or move players in separate trades. Memphis will have 17 players on fully guaranteed contracts after this deal.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

No regret at all. Duncan is still my role model. It's beyond basketball.

But I have to respect the reality that NBA has changed and he would be much less successful in today's NBA.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

in today's nba the mvp is Jokic

how could duncan not crominate?

Jokic has a 3 pt shot and is an exceptional facilitator.. But he got blown by a lot. When he retreats, they shoot over his head again and again. Look at What Chris Paul did to him in the Denver-Suns series. Talking about Sengun again. He would be better than Primo if he becomes 75% of Jokic and Primo becomes less than 75% Trae Young. But which is has more chance to happen? Jokic is a very rare product and has little change to re-happen. Brian Wright must have gone over this many times in his head before he put Primo before Sengun on his board.

[tonight...you]

I go by TIm. Not my legal name. I immigrated to US in 1995 and without an English name until I saw Duncan on TV. I was attracted by his humble manner, his wisdom and his work ethic. Now I'm still inspired by Tim Duncan everyday.
Interesting. Right on.

[John B]

I go by TIm. Not my legal name. I immigrated to US in 1995 and without an English name until I saw Duncan on TV. I was attracted by his humble manner, his wisdom and his work ethic. Now I'm still inspired by Tim Duncan everyday.

That’s a cool story :toast

[CGD]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 47s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1427065149085659137) The Grizzlies, with an already packed roster, are open-minded on the futures of all three players in Memphis -- and will likely consider trades with some of those arriving in this deal. Memphis gets salary cap flexibility in the summer of 2022 with trade.


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Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
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The Grizzlies are going to have to eat some guaranteed money, or move players in separate trades. Memphis will have 17 players on fully guaranteed contracts after this deal.

Seems like the Spurs’ situation here soon.

[exstatic]

Awful trade for the Clippers. Bledsoe is trash. Bev, Rondo are bad too but not as terrible as Bledsoe.

Pat Bev had to go, once Westbrook was acquired. They can’t coexist on the same roster.

[Dejounte]

Pat Bev had to go, once Westbrook was acquired. They can’t coexist on the same roster.
Westbrook is on the Lakers

[rogcl1]

No regret at all. Duncan is still my role model. It's beyond basketball.

But I have to respect the reality that NBA has changed and he would be much less successful in today's NBA.

You are a fucking idiot!

[rogcl1]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

Trash for trash. Except for Beverly. I dont like him , but he has a feistiness that can be contagious. Why in the hell would you trade for Bledsoe.

[FutureMan]

Hopefully the Grizzlys don’t put a trade package together for Siakam. That would extend our time from being a playoff team even longer haha

[Seventyniner]

Westbrook is on the Lakers

The town ain't big enough for the two of them?

[Ignazzz]

Awful trade for the Clippers. Bledsoe is trash. Bev, Rondo are bad too but not as terrible as Bledsoe.

You have no idea ;-)

$30M savings in tax for clippers and good player ( FOR REGULAR SEASON!!!)
Eric was awful in playoffs but there is some room to improve. Pat wasn't same player last year, Rondo too

good move by Clippers and awful for MEM

$30M help for nothing = no picks added?

[rah88sa]

You have no idea ;-)

$30M savings in tax for clippers and good player ( FOR REGULAR SEASON!!!)
Eric was awful in playoffs but there is some room to improve. Pat wasn't same player last year, Rondo too

good move by Clippers and awful for MEM

$30M help for nothing = no picks added?

They're sending out 7.5 mil for Rondo and 14.32 mil for Pbev.

They're taking in 18.125mil this year for Bledsoe and are on the hook to pay him 3.9 mil next year after they waive him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like Clippers just get a small savings of around 3.7 mil this year, but will have to pay that next year (or trade him as an expiring later this season).

[Dex]

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The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

:lol at Pat "Next Five Years Are Mine" Beverley. Guess he's not as important to the Clippers as he thought...dude got shipped out for a broken down Bledsoe and tax relief.

I'll be surprised if Memphis doesn't try to move him, and Spurs better not get any funny ideas.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They're sending out 7.5 mil for Rondo and 14.32 mil for Pbev.

They're taking in 18.125mil this year for Bledsoe and are on the hook to pay him 3.9 mil next year after they waive him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like Clippers just get a small savings of around 3.7 mil this year, but will have to pay that next year (or trade him as an expiring later this season).

The Clippers will save much more this season, because they'll be deep in luxury tax territory again and as a repeater their bill will be huge. This deal saves them between $20 and 30 mil. Ballmer or not, this is serious money. On top of this it creates a sizeable trade exception that they may or may not use. As for Bledsoe, they could waive and stretch that 3.9 mil next year if he flops.

[timtonymanu]

:lol at Pat "Next Five Years Are Mine" Beverley. Guess he's not as important to the Clippers as he thought...dude got shipped out for a broken down Bledsoe and tax relief.

I'll be surprised if Memphis doesn't try to move him, and Spurs better not get any funny ideas.

I get the feeling the Lakers try to get him if he gets waived. Hope this POS doesn't play ever again though.

[Dex]

I get the feeling the Lakers try to get him if he gets waived. Hope this POS doesn't play ever again though.

Wouldn't be surprised, although I don't think the Lakers can offer him much more than the vet min at this point. But I would not at all be surprised to see Pat Bev take the vet min to stay in LA and try to ride LeBron's coattails so that he can continue pretending like he is a valuable NBA player.

That said, Lakers are already 16M+ over the tax threshold and don't have the MLE to use.

I'm no capologist, so anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong...but vet min on Pat Bev would be about $2.4M and the tax hit would probably double or triple that. They are already paying like $33M in luxury tax alone without any further signings.

Edit: This is assuming he is waived by the Grizzlies, as he is due $14M this season already...but they'd be better off trying to move that money than just paying the guy to be off their books.

[Seventyniner]

Edit: This is assuming he is waived by the Grizzlies, as he is due $14M this season already...but they'd be better off trying to move that money than just paying the guy to be off their books.

imo Bev is enough of an attention whore that he would take a hefty buyout to join a contender, even if he loses substantial money doing so.

[R. DeMurre]

In addition to saving money, Clips probably made this move out of sympathy for Tyronn Lue's daily life... can you imagine having to deal with Bev & Rondo every day in the locker room? Sounds like a nightmare. Plus Terance Mann is ready to start now, after an impressive playoff run.

[Mr. Body]

It'll be harder for Beverly to permanently injure players in the playoffs if he stays with Memphis.

[Ignazzz]

They're sending out 7.5 mil for Rondo and 14.32 mil for Pbev.

They're taking in 18.125mil this year for Bledsoe and are on the hook to pay him 3.9 mil next year after they waive him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like Clippers just get a small savings of around 3.7 mil this year, but will have to pay that next year (or trade him as an expiring later this season).

tax repeater 3,75$ for every $ over the lvl.
25-30M savings

[mo7888]

It'll be harder for Beverly to permanently injure players in the playoffs if he stays with Memphis.

:bobo

[buttsR4rebounding]

Wouldn't be surprised, although I don't think the Lakers can offer him much more than the vet min at this point. But I would not at all be surprised to see Pat Bev take the vet min to stay in LA and try to ride LeBron's coattails so that he can continue pretending like he is a valuable NBA player.

That said, Lakers are already 16M+ over the tax threshold and don't have the MLE to use.

I'm no capologist, so anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong...but vet min on Pat Bev would be about $2.4M and the tax hit would probably double or triple that. They are already paying like $33M in luxury tax alone without any further signings.

Edit: This is assuming he is waived by the Grizzlies, as he is due $14M this season already...but they'd be better off trying to move that money than just paying the guy to be off their books.

The league often reimburses teams who finalize a deal with any veteran player to a one-year minimum salary contract. I believe the minimum is around $1,800,00

This means that if a team signs a veteran for even $2,564,753, the NBA will make up the difference. The team will only have to pay around $1,800,000. However, this is only valid for one-year contracts and not multi-year deals. If the season has already begun, the player will receive a "pro-rated portion" of the minimum salary they are eligible for. Players who already are a part of multi-year deals will be earning a different amount than the one already calculated. So it will still cost them a lot more than the actual salary, but won't be quite as bad. The NBA does this so that there is no advantage to signing a guy with 2 years experience over a veteran with 5 or 10 years of experience.

[rah88sa]

The Clippers will save much more this season, because they'll be deep in luxury tax territory again and as a repeater their bill will be huge. This deal saves them between $20 and 30 mil. Ballmer or not, this is serious money. On top of this it creates a sizeable trade exception that they may or may not use. As for Bledsoe, they could waive and stretch that 3.9 mil next year if he flops.


tax repeater 3,75$ for every $ over the lvl.
25-30M savings

Ah thanks guys. So what the hell does Memphis get out this?

[Seventyniner]

Ah thanks guys. So what the hell does Memphis get out this?

I guess whatever positive trade value Beverly might have to a contender, either soon or at the trade deadline.

[ace3g]

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Pelicans closing in on 3-year deal to keep Hart - via @espn (https://twitter.com/espn/) App espn.com/nba/story/_/id… (https://t.co/C751rJeZMj)


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Josh Hart is expected to sign a three-year, $38M deal to stay with the Pelicans, per @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn/)

[mo7888]

Boston extends Smart for $77.1 over 4 years

[Kurik]

Boston extends Smart for $77.1 over 4 years

I haven’t watched the Celtics a ton but this has to be an overpay right?

[SpursDynasty85]

I haven’t watched the Celtics a ton but this has to be an overpay right?

This dude is really good. Solid offensively and a really good defender. Has a big wingspan and very stout. Can guard 1-3.

[Dex]

This dude is really good. Solid offensively and a really good defender. Has a big wingspan and very stout. Can guard 1-3.

1/3 is also his shooting percentage on ~6 attempts a game.

[Mnky]

I haven’t watched the Celtics a ton but this has to be an overpay right?

I do think he gets too much hate. He plays hard and doesn't quit. He isn't the smartest player, contrary to his name. Not a max contract guy. I feel like they just couldn't afford to lose him with no role replacement in sight. Boston has really just made some odd moves since stock piling all those picks. Too greedy when they should have made a move and then desperate at times to make others. Thankfully they have Tatum.

[tbdog]

I would take Ball over Smart at that contract. But it's close. Smart got a tiny bit less. Isn't Whites contract similar?

[Uriel]

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[tbdog]

Wtf are we doing with our roster. To many players and no signs of 2 for 1 trades. I wonder if Spurs have pieces for Harrison Barnes or Wiggins. We desperately need some scoring punch.

[Mr. Body]

I haven’t watched the Celtics a ton but this has to be an overpay right?

Significantly.

[offset formation]

Awful trade for the Clippers. Bledsoe is trash. Bev, Rondo are bad too but not as terrible as Bledsoe.

saves them about 20-25M in luxury tax tho. but aside from that you're right, bad trade.

[mo7888]

I haven’t watched the Celtics a ton but this has to be an overpay right?

It feels like it's an overpay to me...

[ginobilized]

1427323605411577860

These do not sound like the words of a man that is retiring soon.

[Eaglenole2002]

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[BackHome]

There you all go we signed someone ya happy now?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

There you all go we signed someone ya happy now?

uh ...

yeah.

[BillMc]

There you all go we signed someone ya happy now?

Moderately.

[Fusternino]

Still three guys over the limit. What's the deal? Have Eubanks and Landale duel in camp and eat money cutting the worse option? Waive one of Hutchinson or Aminu? Get Forbes to actually sign with someone else?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Still three guys over the limit. What's the deal? Have Eubanks and Landale duel in camp and eat money cutting the worse option? Waive one of Hutchinson or Aminu? Get Forbes to actually sign with someone else?

They'll definitely look to make some trades before the season begins but it's getting less and less likely. My guess is Aminu and TikTok get waived, KBD leaves and Jeffries signs a 2-way.

[Fusternino]

They'll definitely look to make some trades before the season begins but it's getting less and less likely. My guess is Aminu and TikTok get waived, KBD leaves and Jeffries signs a 2-way.

Jeffries is already off the roster.

Would suck if we lost KBD due to signing Forbes.

[bdictjames]

Duncan would be the centerpiece for a team that could destroy you offensively and defensively.

Want a sure bucket? Throw it to Timmy in the low post.

Plus, he can defend all those "problem makers", Giannis, AD, Joel Embiid. Duncan would be the answer for them.

If you're talking about aging Duncan, sure, he may not be able to stay in front of these players. But prime Tim is as agile, and smart, and you can always translate agile and smart to any league.

[Dex]

[Fedor] According to sources Kyle Anderson, Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes are all said to be available in trades by their respective teams.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/08/evan-mobley-looks-as-advertised-and-lamar-stevens-believes-he-belongs-cleveland-cavaliers-summer-league-observations.html

The return of SloMo!?

[Drom John]

I haven’t watched the Celtics a ton but this has to be an overpay right?

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR 2020-21 1058 minuts (their default)

105) Bruce Brown, Kyle Lowry, Marcus Smart.

[CGD]

[Fedor] According to sources Kyle Anderson, Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes are all said to be available in trades by their respective teams.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/08/evan-mobley-looks-as-advertised-and-lamar-stevens-believes-he-belongs-cleveland-cavaliers-summer-league-observations.html

The return of SloMo!?

Utah cap situation looks rough, which helps explain why Bojan & Ingles are on that list. Might be a home for Aminu/Hutch expirings?

Cam Reddish intrigues a lot, but suspect they're asking a lot.

[Dex]

Utah cap situation looks rough, which helps explain why Bojan & Ingles are on that list. Might be a home for Aminu/Hutch expirings?

Cam Reddish intrigues a lot, but suspect they're asking a lot.

That's what happens when you sign Gobert to a billion dollar contract.

Surprised they are looking to move on from Ingles though...he seems like he is a big part of that team and locker room.

[offset formation]

Utah cap situation looks rough, which helps explain why Bojan & Ingles are on that list. Might be a home for Aminu/Hutch expirings?

Cam Reddish intrigues a lot, but suspect they're asking a lot.

Tobias on there is odd. Not sure what Philly is gunning for this year because we all know they'd like to rid themselves of Simmons too. Morey / Doc seem to be in another pickle.

[mo7888]

Tobias on there is odd. Not sure what Philly is gunning for this year because we all know they'd like to rid themselves of Simmons too. Morey / Doc seem to be in another pickle.

If there's no market for Simmons and they're forced to keep him I could see them moving Tobias in an attempt to add more shooters to surround Simmons and Embiid. Bojan and Ingles next to Embiid and Simmons would look better than that they currently have

[mo7888]

Utah cap situation looks rough, which helps explain why Bojan & Ingles are on that list. Might be a home for Aminu/Hutch expirings?

Cam Reddish intrigues a lot, but suspect they're asking a lot.

I'd really like to add Ingles if we could move a couple pieces for him and save them some tax money..

[CGD]

If there's no market for Simmons and they're forced to keep him I could see them moving Tobias in an attempt to add more shooters to surround Simmons and Embiid. Bojan and Ingles next to Embiid and Simmons would look better than that they currently have

Agree, though, I think Utah has serious concerns about taking long term $$ on.

[CGD]

If there's no market for Simmons and they're forced to keep him I could see them moving Tobias in an attempt to add more shooters to surround Simmons and Embiid. Bojan and Ingles next to Embiid and Simmons would look better than that they currently have

Agree, though, I think Utah has serious concerns about taking long term $$ on.

[mo7888]

Agree, though, I think Utah has serious concerns about taking long term $$ on.

Agreed...they'd need to move out enough salary to lower their tax position.. I'm not sure if that's possible but it would look good on paper from Philly perspective..

[Excessive Egotist]

I'm sure the Spurs have put in the obligatory cap relief offer of Aminu + Hutchison for Bogdanovic. Like Young, Bogdanovic is a player who could be flipped for additional draft compensation sometime in the next 18 months. Or, included in a trade as more than a throw in.

[Mr. Body]

Tobias on there is odd. Not sure what Philly is gunning for this year because we all know they'd like to rid themselves of Simmons too. Morey / Doc seem to be in another pickle.

Harris is one of the worst contracts in the league, just absolutely horrible. They'd love to ditch him.

[CGD]

I'm sure the Spurs have put in the obligatory cap relief offer of Aminu + Hutchison for Bogdanovic. Like Young, Bogdanovic is a player who could be flipped for additional draft compensation sometime in the next 18 months. Or, included in a trade as more than a throw in.

One can hope. That would be a nice piece to have some February trade deadline time.

[Chinook]

The Spurs could offer Young, Aminu and Hutch for Harris. Tobias is probably overpaid by about $10 Million per year, and that does affect long-term cap space if Lonnie turns out to be a keeper. But he'd likely be the best player on the team next year at a position of weakness, providing a sorely needed skill-set. He'd also expire the same time that Murray, McDermott and Collins do, so the Spurs could move onto whatever else after that. Depending on what the Spurs could get as compensation for taking on the contract, it could be worth it. It just makes a lot less sense after already committing money to McD and Collins. It also doesn't help how long Harris has been around and that his most expensive years will come when he's in his 30s.

[CGD]

Agreed...they'd need to move out enough salary to lower their tax position.. I'm not sure if that's possible but it would look good on paper from Philly perspective..

Putting a few of the pieces together, you could do this 3 way trade (with pick littered in):

SAS: Simmons
PHI: Bojan + Murray + Lonnie w/picks from UTH & SAS
UTH: Aminu + Hutch w/SAS 2nds

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs could offer Young, Aminu and Hutch for Harris. Tobias is probably overpaid by about $10 Million per year, and that does affect long-term cap space if Lonnie turns out to be a keeper. But he'd likely be the best player on the team next year at a position of weakness, providing a sorely needed skill-set. He'd also expire the same time that Murray, McDermott and Collins do, so the Spurs could move onto whatever else after that. Depending on what the Spurs could get as compensation for taking on the contract, it could be worth it. It just makes a lot less sense after already committing money to McD and Collins. It also doesn't help how long Harris has been around and that his most expensive years will come when he's in his 30s.

In a trade for Tobias Harris, I would want draft picks. That's a horror of a contract and we'd be doing them a massive favor.

[r0drig0lac]

[Fedor] According to sources Kyle Anderson, Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes are all said to be available in trades by their respective teams.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/08/evan-mobley-looks-as-advertised-and-lamar-stevens-believes-he-belongs-cleveland-cavaliers-summer-league-observations.html

The return of SloMo!?

Bojan please

[mo7888]

Putting a few of the pieces together, you could do this 3 way trade (with pick littered in):

SAS: Simmons
PHI: Bojan + Murray + Lonnie w/picks from UTH & SAS
UTH: Aminu + Hutch w/SAS 2nds

That's not bad from Philly's perspective or ours... Utah might need more cap savings though...but I'm not sure..

[Dverde]

[Fedor] According to sources Kyle Anderson, Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes are all said to be available in trades by their respective teams.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/08/evan-mobley-looks-as-advertised-and-lamar-stevens-believes-he-belongs-cleveland-cavaliers-summer-league-observations.html

The return of SloMo!?

Grizz would be dumb to trade Anderson right now. He was one of the few players that showed grit and leadership during the playoffs.

[CGD]

That's not bad from Philly's perspective or ours... Utah might need more cap savings though...but I'm not sure..

Fair enough, but Utah does save ~4M this year and ~18M next. Could lob in Drew for a little extra.

[TD 21]

The Spurs could offer Young, Aminu and Hutch for Harris. Tobias is probably overpaid by about $10 Million per year, and that does affect long-term cap space if Lonnie turns out to be a keeper. But he'd likely be the best player on the team next year at a position of weakness, providing a sorely needed skill-set. He'd also expire the same time that Murray, McDermott and Collins do, so the Spurs could move onto whatever else after that. Depending on what the Spurs could get as compensation for taking on the contract, it could be worth it. It just makes a lot less sense after already committing money to McD and Collins. It also doesn't help how long Harris has been around and that his most expensive years will come when he's in his 30s.

Available doesn't = being shopped. An aspiring contender, who already has their second best player in flux, is not going to salary dump their third best player just because he makes X amount more than ideal and especially when it's not as if it'd create flexibility to adequately replace, much less upgrade him.



Putting a few of the pieces together, you could do this 3 way trade (with pick littered in):

SAS: Simmons
PHI: Bojan + Murray + Lonnie w/picks from UTH & SAS
UTH: Aminu + Hutch w/SAS 2nds

Not bad value wise (presuming the Spurs picks are lightly protected), but similar to what I said above, only with the Jazz replacing the 76ers.

Also, Bogdanovic and Harris are not a great fit together.

[Dex]

While we are fanning the flames of this whole Simmons situation:

[Wojnarowski] Minnesota's one team that has been persistent with Philadelphia (Ben Simmons trade) but they've needed to have really third and even four teams in those kind of deals: https://streamable.com/bgm5lh

[Dejounte]

So if Eubanks' contract becomes guaranteed, we can assume he's a mainstay for the 2021-2022 roster, right? At least until before the trade deadline...

My guesses on players who aren't going anywhere at least until the trade deadline:

Keldon - would be strange timing
Primo - seems the Spurs are high on him
Wieskamp - 0 value
McDermott - just signed
Landale - just signed
Forbes - just signed
Tre Jones - personally think the Spurs are high on him
Zach Collins - just signed
Vassell - personally think the Spurs are high on him

Unsure status

Murray - personally feel like he belongs in the first list, but I'll keep him here for now for that 5% chance
White - personally feel like he belongs in the first list, but I'll keep him here for now for that 5% chance
Poeltl - personally feel like he belongs in the first list, but I'll keep him for now for that 5% chance
Eubanks
KBD
Luka
Thaddeus Young
Aminu
Lonnie

[Dejounte]

When I say "at least until the trade deadline", I might as well say the whole season... Let's be real, guys

[ace3g]

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(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 7h (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1427646798089359361) The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Patrick Beverley to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jarrett Culver and Juancho Hernangomez, sources tell ESPN.

[Mr. Body]

Ouch, two years after getting drafted at #6, Jarrett Culver's getting tossed around the league as filler.

[TD 21]

Not advocating it, but the Spurs probably could have traded Young for Culver and Hernangomez and declined.

[FutureMan]

The real questions are what do the Grizzlies and Spurs plan on doing with their 20 players and are there even roster spots available on other teams haha

Anyone know of a list of current roster spots available on each team? Seems like only the T-Wolves have space for a 3 to 1 player trade at this point.

[Dejounte]

Aminu is in San Antonio

[JeffDuncan]

The real questions are what do the Grizzlies and Spurs plan on doing with their 20 players and are there even roster spots available on other teams haha

Anyone know of a list of current roster spots available on each team? Seems like only the T-Wolves have space for a 3 to 1 player trade at this point.

According to spotrac the Spurs have 15 players on the active roster at this time.

Murray, White, Jones, Primo

Walker, Vassell, Keldon

Young, McDermott, Aminu, Hutchison, Luka

Poeltl, Eubanks, Collins

Pending:
Forbes, Landale

It doesn’t show any two-ways yet.

Diop is listed as only a cap hold at this time.

Here’s their page with links for all the teams:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/

[Chinook]

Aminu is in San Antonio

I wonder if he's there for a physical. The trade was already called in, but theoretically it could be nixed if he fails and SA cared about that. I don't assume he's there for buyout talks, since that's something his agent would handle, especially in a case like this. AFA makes some sense for the Spurs as a player if he is healthyish again. I think he has a legit chance to stay into the season if he's not traded within the next two weeks.

[tbdog]

I wonder if he's there for a physical. The trade was already called in, but theoretically it could be nixed if he fails and SA cared about that. I don't assume he's there for buyout talks, since that's something his agent would handle, especially in a case like this. AFA makes some sense for the Spurs as a player if he is healthyish again. I think he has a legit chance to stay into the season if he's not traded within the next two weeks.

What role would he even play? Surely even if he was double his production from Orlando days, he'll still be low on the rotation.

[FutureMan]

According to spotrac the Spurs have 15 players on the active roster at this time.

Murray, White, Jones, Primo

Walker, Vassell, Keldon

Young, McDermott, Aminu, Hutchison, Luka

Poeltl, Eubanks, Collins

Pending:
Forbes, Landale

It doesn’t show any two-ways yet.

Diop is listed as only a cap hold at this time.

Here’s their page with links for all the teams:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/

I like spotrac. Especially for this too. I really want to see what Forbes and Landale get for contracts too.

[The Truth #6]

I was curious about the Zollins contract and googled to see who his agent is: Mark Bartlestein. He also represents Doug McDermott and Chandler Hutcheson...and Demarre Carrol. Only one of those players (McDermott, obviously) actually is going to get minutes this year. I know there are only so many agents out there, but is he blackmailing the team or something. Lol.

https://hoopshype.com/reps/mark-bartelstein/

[Uriel]

Aminu is in San Antonio
Spurs probably doing their due diligence and will work him out to see if he has anything left in the tank.

[Kurgan]

I was curious about the Zollins contract and googled to see who his agent is: Mark Bartlestein. He also represents Doug McDermott and Aaron Hutcheson...and Demarre Carrol. Only one of those players (McDermott, obviously) actually is going to get minutes this year. I know there are only so many agents out there, but is he blackmailing the team or something. Lol.

https://hoopshype.com/reps/mark-bartelstein/

Every washed up role player needs to hire this guy as their agent. Guaranteed pay day from the Spurs

[buttsR4rebounding]

So is Eubanks contract now fully guaranteed for the year?

[ragas]

So is Eubanks contract now fully guaranteed for the year?

It becomes fully guaranteed on Friday (Spotrac)

[SAGirl]

I wonder if he's there for a physical. The trade was already called in, but theoretically it could be nixed if he fails and SA cared about that. I don't assume he's there for buyout talks, since that's something his agent would handle, especially in a case like this. AFA makes some sense for the Spurs as a player if he is healthyish again. I think he has a legit chance to stay into the season if he's not traded within the next two weeks.
Physical makes sense and even if they didn't care about it when they gave the go ahead to the Derozan trade, any potential trade partners will care whether he can play or not to extract assets in exchange for taking him away from the Spurs, which means Most likely he's staying. The Spurs aren't at a point where they would give up anything to dump him. So he's likely staying put in the untradeable list bc he's a negative asset until he can play.

[Atl Spur]

Let’s see if aminu has anything left in the tank.....

[JeffDuncan]

Physical makes sense and even if they didn't care about it when they gave the go ahead to the Derozan trade, any potential trade partners will care whether he can play or not to extract assets in exchange for taking him away from the Spurs, which means Most likely he's staying. The Spurs aren't at a point where they would give up anything to dump him. So he's likely staying put in the untradeable list bc he's a negative asset until he can play.


Aminu was signed into the NTMLE space, and this is the last year of his contract. So the space he’s taking up will be free next summer. It’s better than a multi year deal taking that space, while the Spurs reshape the team. How well he can play, um, it’s unclear if that’s even the point.

[SAGirl]

As if we didn't know it already, it has been informed to the press that the Spurs are looking to trade him.

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[DPG21920]

As if we didn't know it already, it has been informed to the press that the Spurs are looking to trade him.

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Lol it’s funny how stuff that’s obvious to many on here immediately takes this long

[CGD]

As if we didn't know it already, it has been informed to the press that the Spurs are looking to trade him.

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Cites to the same Cleveland reporter from the other day, so not a new thing.

[Mr. Body]

Phoenix remains a likely party, after Saric is out and with the belief that they have a championship window still open, but the salaries don't match. Maybe both teams are fishing around for a third party.

[TD 21]

Phoenix remains a likely party, after Saric is out and with the belief that they have a championship window still open, but the salaries don't match. Maybe both teams are fishing around for a third party.

Add Smith and a top 20 protected '23 1st ('22 is out because of the Shamet trade) and problem solved.

The holdup could be something like aggregating Eubanks, which can't happen for 2 months after Young was traded for.

[Russ]

Can someone explain to me why Primo (in his first year) is making $3,946,800 and Samanic (in his third year) is making $2,959,080?

I'm not criticizing the outcome, I think Primo will likely be the better player, but I'm curious about the why.

Both were first round draft picks (Sam #19 and Primo #12) but Primo is a rookie and Samanic is a third-year guy.

Is the slotted salary between the 12 and the 19 pick really that great? Even after two years of experience by the #19 guy?

What other explanation could there possibly be but the difference in the preset salaries between #12 in 2021 and #19 in 2019?

[Sugus]

Can someone explain to me why Primo (in his first year) is making $3,946,800 and Samanic (in his third year) is making $2,959,080?

I'm not criticizing the outcome, I think Primo will likely be the better player, but I'm curious about the why.

Both were first round draft picks (Sam #19 and Primo #12) but Primo is a rookie and Samanic is a third-year guy.

Is the slotted salary between the 12 and the 19 pick really that great? Even after two years of experience by the #19 guy?

What other explanation could there possibly be but the difference in the preset salaries between #12 in 2021 and #19 in 2019?

Isn't the No. 1 pick's contract earnings something like $40M? Certainly believable that the difference in rookie contracts starts scaling up more, the more you get close to the top lottery picks. Take into account that Primo was an actual lottery pick, and Luka wasn't, too. I'm sure there's some chart around the Internet with the pre-set salaries for all four years of first round picks for a given year.

[exstatic]

Can someone explain to me why Primo (in his first year) is making $3,946,800 and Samanic (in his third year) is making $2,959,080?

I'm not criticizing the outcome, I think Primo will likely be the better player, but I'm curious about the why.

Both were first round draft picks (Sam #19 and Primo #12) but Primo is a rookie and Samanic is a third-year guy.

Is the slotted salary between the 12 and the 19 pick really that great? Even after two years of experience by the #19 guy?

What other explanation could there possibly be but the difference in the preset salaries between #12 in 2021 and #19 in 2019?

The difference, 7 picks, is almost 25% of the first round. Not surprising there would be a noticeable difference in salary structure.

[Jsmythe]

Can someone explain to me why Primo (in his first year) is making $3,946,800 and Samanic (in his third year) is making $2,959,080?

I'm not criticizing the outcome, I think Primo will likely be the better player, but I'm curious about the why.

Both were first round draft picks (Sam #19 and Primo #12) but Primo is a rookie and Samanic is a third-year guy.

Is the slotted salary between the 12 and the 19 pick really that great? Even after two years of experience by the #19 guy?

What other explanation could there possibly be but the difference in the preset salaries between #12 in 2021 and #19 in 2019?

You can see all the first round draft pick salaries here:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale

[Mr. Body]

Add Smith and a top 20 protected '23 1st ('22 is out because of the Shamet trade) and problem solved.

The holdup could be something like aggregating Eubanks, which can't happen for 2 months after Young was traded for.

I wouldn't want Jalen Smith and I don't think the Spurs do either.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't want Jalen Smith and I don't think the Spurs do either.

It wouldn't really be about him, but it's not like it'd hurt to take a flier on him either.

[Mr. Body]

It wouldn't really be about him, but it's not like it'd hurt to take a flier on him either.

The team already has 3-4 centers better than him. He'd be deadweight salary. I wouldn't consider it a good trade.

[CGD]

The team already has 3-4 centers better than him. He'd be deadweight salary. I wouldn't consider it a good trade.

I tend to agree. Think I’d rather have Sarics salary and the pick.

[Mr. Body]

I tend to agree. Think I’d rather have Sarics salary and the pick.

That doesn't match though.

[John B]

As if we didn't know it already, it has been informed to the press that the Spurs are looking to trade him.

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Getting some more picks for Simmons :clap

[ismael-robert]

Gross

[Dex]

Report: Spurs were open to discussing Dejounte Murray, Lonnie Walker IV in a deal for Sixers' Ben Simmons

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/report-spurs-were-open-to-discussing-dejounte-murray-lonnie-walker-iv-in-a-deal-for-sixers-ben-simmons/273-6e53b015-98bf-4c82-b274-b43f09348164

[Dejounte]

People still hung up on Simmons like there’s any chance of it happening?

reminds me of when people had a hard on for Kai Jones or John Collins… good old days

[Dex]

People still hung up on Simmons like there’s any chance of it happening?

reminds me of when people had a hard on for Kai Jones or John Collins… good old days

I'm just posting news I find, don't shoot the messenger. I don't think it's worth selling the farm or even a couple cows over a player with character issues who would likely force his way out of San Antonio at the first opportunity.

Seems like a recipe for Kawhi 2.0 without the talent.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Yes let's close this thread. 1st 76ers won't be interested our offer. Secondly, we don't want a non-shooting point guard (or point forward whatever) anyway. Murray is improving each year and ready to be an all star. I don't mind trading him. But not for Ben Simmons.

[Mr. Body]

Yes let's close this thread. 1st 76ers won't be interested our offer. Secondly, we don't want a non-shooting point guard (or point forward whatever) anyway. Murray is improving each year and ready to be an all star. I don't mind trading him. But not for Ben Simmons.

Sixers would take a decent deal and run at this point. There's no market for Ben Simmons. He's a prima donna malcontent who doesn't work hard and just swans through games. He also thinks he can dictate where he's going to be traded to. No good team wants him at this point.

[Seventyniner]

I'm just posting news I find, don't shoot the messenger. I don't think it's worth selling the farm or even a couple cows over a player with character issues who would likely force his way out of San Antonio at the first opportunity.

Seems like a recipe for Kawhi 2.0 without the talent.

When you trade for a player who is willing to force his way off a team, you get a player who is willing to force his way off a team. Buyer beware.

That said, AD and PG forced their way out but the Pelicans and Thunder managed to get good hauls, all things considered.

[Dex]

When you trade for a player who is willing to force his way off a team, you get a player who is willing to force his way off a team. Buyer beware.

That said, AD and PG forced their way out but the Pelicans and Thunder managed to get good hauls, all things considered.

I guess the hope there would be that Chip could somewhat fix his shot, Ben could show he is a team player...and then get a good return on him when he is traded?

Not outside the realm of possibility...but still seems like a long-shot.

Then again, the Spurs may be forced to take some long-shots at this point.

[Russ]

Sixers would take a decent deal and run at this point. There's no market for Ben Simmons. He's a prima donna malcontent who doesn't work hard and just swans through games. He also thinks he can dictate where he's going to be traded to. No good team wants him at this point.

Yes, but he wins wherever he goes. His one year at LSU, he led his team to a pretty deep NCAA run, right?

In fact, the last No. 1 draft pick to lead his college team to such great success was Markelle Fultz in 2017 at Washington (9-22). (Also drafted by the Sixers.)

[TD 21]

Part of me wants them to trade for him just to see the immediate and inevitable about face/180 from the apologists and homers.

[Mr. Body]

Part of me wants them to trade for him just to see the immediate and inevitable about face/180 from the apologists and homers.

I won't. If they traded for him, it would be an incredibly stupid move and would have terrible effects down the road.

[exstatic]

Yes let's close this thread. 1st 76ers won't be interested our offer. Secondly, we don't want a non-shooting point guard (or point forward whatever) anyway. Murray is improving each year and ready to be an all star. I don't mind trading him. But not for Ben Simmons.

Feel free to drop the fuck out of this thread if the discussion isn’t to your liking.

[Mr. Body]

Part of me wants them to trade for him just to see the immediate and inevitable about face/180 from the apologists and homers.

I won't. If they traded for him, it would be an incredibly stupid move and would have terrible effects down the road.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Feel free to drop the fuck out of this thread if the discussion isn’t to your liking.

Please be respectful. You have been behaving like a decent man. I meant "close this topic". Sometime people have language barrier or type in a hurry. Please be considerate.

[BacktoBasics]

I won't. If they traded for him, it would be an incredibly stupid move and would have terrible effects down the road.
He’s a good to arguably great player with a few flaws that could be worked out by Chip. Certainly our staff would be the best equipped to help Simmons address his flaws.

But the red flags are too much to make it a good trade for us.

1. Dudes a self proclaimed socialite and diva. SA isn’t the right place for that.

2. Couldn’t excel on a loaded team with a couple of proven all stars. Coming here doesn’t solve any of that.

3. The assets it would take to acquire him would likely put us in a worse position long term not a better one. He’s clearly gonna need more than Keldon and what we have now.

4. Despite the early chatter I haven’t really heard anything about what he’s accomplished this off-season.

5. Cut off contact with his current team instead working within the situation knowing full well that this situation resulted from his shortcomings not the team.

6. Early list of demands for which teams he’ll go to screams Kawhi 2.0.

7. He’s not a first option star player. Never will be.

This is a bad move for SA and I think unless they can fleece Philly (which will never happen) there’s no practical way for this to work.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Yep. No practical way for this to work. Chip cannot fix his shot. If you don't have a 3 point shot after 5 years in the NBA, you won't have it.

[Atl Spur]

Yep. No practical way for this to work. Chip cannot fix his shot. If you don't have a 3 point shot after 5 years in the NBA, you won't have it.

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[Mr. Body]

He’s a good to arguably great player with a few flaws that could be worked out by Chip. Certainly our staff would be the best equipped to help Simmons address his flaws.

But the red flags are too much to make it a good trade for us.

1. Dudes a self proclaimed socialite and diva. SA isn’t the right place for that.

2. Couldn’t excel on a loaded team with a couple of proven all stars. Coming here doesn’t solve any of that.

3. The assets it would take to acquire him would likely put us in a worse position long term not a better one. He’s clearly gonna need more than Keldon and what we have now.

4. Despite the early chatter I haven’t really heard anything about what he’s accomplished this off-season.

5. Cut off contact with his current team instead working within the situation knowing full well that this situation resulted from his shortcomings not the team.

6. Early list of demands for which teams he’ll go to screams Kawhi 2.0.

7. He’s not a first option star player. Never will be.

This is a bad move for SA and I think unless they can fleece Philly (which will never happen) there’s no practical way for this to work.

He's not even a good fit with the team as it's constructed, as you mention. We have guards who need to get into the lane and he'd just bollox everything up. Character issues aside, considerable they may be, I can't imagine having two horrible free throw shooters on the floor at the same time in Poeltl and Simmons. It boggles the mind. You wouldn't be able to play them in the fourth quarter. Jakob at least is improving. Ben Simmons just doesn't give a shit.

[TD 21]

Why the Spurs are probably interested in Simmons . . .


Non glamour markets don't get to choose their superstars/stars and this one doesn't want to tank for it, so this has to be tempting: Signed for 4 years, international (though Americanized), fits their supposed defense and ball movement ethos and if ever he could be humbled and gotten through to, it'd be now.



2. Couldn’t excel on a loaded team with a couple of proven all stars. Coming here doesn’t solve any of that.

Context: He was 22, the team was a poor fit, played something like 10 games together, Embiid had a messed up knee and then got sick in the playoffs. Despite all that, they somehow nearly stole a series against a clearly superior Raptors team.



He's not even a good fit with the team as it's constructed, as you mention. We have guards who need to get into the lane and he'd just bollox everything up. Character issues aside, considerable they may be, I can't imagine having two horrible free throw shooters on the floor at the same time in Poeltl and Simmons. It boggles the mind. You wouldn't be able to play them in the fourth quarter. Jakob at least is improving. Ben Simmons just doesn't give a shit.

Hypothetically, a trade isn't happening without Murray and probably Poeltl (to a third team) involved, at which point they'd actually fit much better.

[objective]

Won't ever be able to fix the shot of someone who doesn't want to shoot.

[BacktoBasics]

Why the Spurs are probably interested in Simmons . . .






Context: He was 22, the team was a poor fit, played something like 10 games together, Embiid had a messed up knee and then got sick in the playoffs. Despite all that, they somehow nearly stole a series against a clearly superior Raptors team.




Hypothetically, a trade isn't happening without Murray and probably Poeltl (to a third team) involved, at which point they'd actually fit much better.


Won't ever be able to fix the shot of someone who doesn't want to shoot.

He’s not a number 1 option player. Never will be. Simmons is the kind of star you add to a team. To acquire Simmons you’d have to add a go-to scorer. I don’t see how you do that if you’re going to leverage your current roster and future assets to obtain him.

[Coach X]

I have ZERO interest in Ben Simmons. I'd rather keep Murray and the other kids.

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Detroit will have some roster decisions to make when it comes to the regular season. The Diallo signing now has Detroit with 16 guaranteed contracts.

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Restricted free agent G/F Hamidou Diallo has signed a two-year, $10.4M deal to stay with the Detroit Pistons, his agents Thad Foucher and Joe Smith of @wassbasketball (https://twitter.com/wassbasketball/) tell ESPN.
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Detroit will have some roster decisions to make when it comes to the regular season. The Diallo signing now has Detroit with 16 guaranteed contracts.

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Restricted free agent G/F Hamidou Diallo has signed a two-year, $10.4M deal to stay with the Detroit Pistons, his agents Thad Foucher and Joe Smith of @wassbasketball (https://twitter.com/wassbasketball/) tell ESPN.
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THE Joe Smith is now an agent?
The guy who's shenanigans helped cost his team picks?

Makes sense, now that I think about it.

[mo7888]

Why the Spurs are probably interested in Simmons . . .






Context: He was 22, the team was a poor fit, played something like 10 games together, Embiid had a messed up knee and then got sick in the playoffs. Despite all that, they somehow nearly stole a series against a clearly superior Raptors team.




Hypothetically, a trade isn't happening without Murray and probably Poeltl (to a third team) involved, at which point they'd actually fit much better.

Pretty much this...

[TD 21]

He’s not a number 1 option player. Never will be. Simmons is the kind of star you add to a team. To acquire Simmons you’d have to add a go-to scorer. I don’t see how you do that if you’re going to leverage your current roster and future assets to obtain him.

I didn't say otherwise and I don't disagree that he should be the type you add to a team, not base one around . . . but they've shown for 3 years they're not interested in a traditional re-build and despite the current roster, I don't think anything has changed.

Hee'd fit with their attempt to win while developing (aka not tanking) as well as giving them a face of the franchise type to sell to casuals.


If the Spurs are as good at drafting and developing as many including presumably they believe they are, then they should be able to withstand the loss of picks (and if the Suns '24 1st conveys, they'd only be without a 1st in '22).

If we're still pretending White is young, Simmons is 2 years younger, so add them to Johnson, Vassell, Walker IV, Samanic, Jones, Primo and Collins and there'd still be a lot of youth in place.

[Mr. Body]

The idea of "just get any star" regardless of cost and fit is utterly alien to me.

[Trueblood]

The idea of "just get any star" regardless of cost and fit is utterly alien to me.

I don't disagree with you in principal and I am not a fan of bringing Simmons on. That being said there is truth to the fact that the power in the league is shifting from teams and owners to players. Stars don't want to go to teams without another star and the concept that the team could help him fix his shot and improve his status and therefore bring in another star is tempting to some. It's a long shot, but we aren't tanking any time soon so people are grasping at straws.

[spurraider21]

The idea of "just get any star" regardless of cost and fit is utterly alien to me.
thats because the spurs have had a star for the last 30+ years. didnt have to worry about it until recently

[Mr. Body]

thats because the spurs have had a star for the last 30+ years. didnt have to worry about it until recently

I mean, is that an argument? Getting some dumbass star just because he's a star is beyond stupid.

[Chinook]

The Spurs shouldn't freak out and get a star just because they don't have one. They honestly don't have to win a title in the near future. It's okay. They should look to open a good window, not sell out to have a slight chance. I don't think it's defensible to argue the Spurs wouldn't be improved with Simmons, so as long as you don't sell too much of the future, getting him is the right move. Unless Simmons has indicated that he'd want out of SA, I don't think anything in his personality is a deal-breaker for a reasonable deal.

[spurraider21]

I mean, is that an argument? Getting some dumbass star just because he's a star is beyond stupid.
yeah, its an argument. you asked why we suddenly are so worried about getting a star. its because for the first time in decades we dont have one. which explains the suddenness

[tonight...you]

I mean, is that an argument? Getting some dumbass star just because he's a star is beyond stupid.
I'm guessing that it's more about fan enthusiasm/optimism and looking for a cornerstone(s) that has (as far as they're concerned) been here for decades than looking forward to Limbo and an uncertain Team Building without a sure thing in a town that's not going to attract the Big Shots like a Los Angeles.

JMO

[SAGirl]

Next summer, the Free Agency pool already projects to be very dry in known and proven talent. This is it, guys.

This well written and interesting article was about Rozier’s huge extension from Charlotte, but what was interesting was the explanation if the FA pool and field for next summer.
https://twitter.com/yourmandevine/status/1428471951216029699?s=21 (https://twitter.com/yourmandevine/status/1428471951216029699?s=21)

[offset formation]

Feel free to drop the fuck out of this thread if the discussion isn’t to your liking.

ex still bringing the salt of late.

[LCM]

Next summer, the Free Agency pool already projects to be very dry in known and proven talent. This is it, guys.

This well written and interesting article was about Rozier’s huge extension from Charlotte, but what was interesting was the explanation if the FA pool and field for next summer.
https://twitter.com/yourmandevine/status/1428471951216029699?s=21 (https://twitter.com/yourmandevine/status/1428471951216029699?s=21)

So would you rather make a trade and spend on a possible Simmons, Siakam, KP now, hypothetically, or have 25+ million in potential cap space for an Aaron Gordon, who doesn't move the needle?? That is why even looking at Wiggins and Harrison Barnes is intriguing to think about. If Markkanen would have signed a 3/4 deal at 15/16 million per year he'd be a Spur right now. Not Thad Young. And there wouldn't be a consideration of what cap space was available for next year because they would have spent the money on Lauri already. Something has got to be brewing because this article sounds like musical chairs is playing already and talent is being removed from consideration, and you better have a plan so you aren't left without a chair.

[BackHome]

Thank God we didn't get China Doll Lauri his own team doesn't want him and they sucked last year. As far as Simmons Lord Help Ya All who want this Diva I know a lot of posters love talking about trades so I won't say to much other then it's Never going to happen

[Notorious H.O.P.]

DeRozan deal voted Worst of the Offseason.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2021/08/19/executives-and-scouts-vote-derozan-deal-worst-move-of-free-agency/

[Leetonidas]

DeRozan deal voted Worst of the Offseason.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2021/08/19/executives-and-scouts-vote-derozan-deal-worst-move-of-free-agency/

I disagree. I think NOP paying a first rounder to sign Devonte Graham to an overpaid deal was way worse

[Dex]

DeRozan deal voted Worst of the Offseason.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2021/08/19/executives-and-scouts-vote-derozan-deal-worst-move-of-free-agency/

Bulls will be improved, and that seems to be what they were going for.

They aren't going to contend for a championship, but they should have enough to make the playoffs in the East. After four straight years of missing the playoffs and having a sub-.431 record...that is probably all they are hoping to accomplish.

That said...they probably overpaid if that is there goal. Unless they can somehow miraculously add another star, Lavine/DeRozan/Ball isn't a big three anyone would want to take to the bank.

Either way....thanks for the picks and assets, Chicago. At least we made something out of nothing when it was starting to look like DeMar was gonna walk for free.

[rankingtear]

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[Degoat]

Does that mean Bryn Forbes gets the room exception?

[Dejounte]

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is this enough to make him a restricted free agent?

[Sugus]

So Forbes got the bag after all? :lmao

[Robz4000]

:lol Forms is gonna start and play heavy minutes

[NASpurs]

We're fucked before the season even started. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol Forms is gonna start and play heavy minutes
you just know he's going to be assigned to guard westbrook when the chips are down :lol

[Robz4000]

you just know he's going to be assigned to guard westbrook when the chips are down :lol

:lol that'd be a good thing honestly, keeps the ball out of Lebron or AD's hands

[spurraider21]

:lol that'd be a good thing honestly, keeps the ball out of Lebron or AD's hands
:wow cia pop

[Robz4000]

:wow cia pop

Knowing our luck he'd have Forms guard Lebron tbh.

[The Truth #6]

Weird off-season.

Primo: B
Lil Weezy: A
DDR trade: A
Mcdermott: B
Zollins: D
Forbes: F+
Landale: A+

[Robz4000]

Weird off-season.

Primo: B
Lil Weezy: A
DDR trade: A
Mcdermott: B
Zollins: D
Forbes: F+

Only moves that deserves anything above a C are the DePression trade and Landale signing tbh.

[The Truth #6]

Only moves that deserves anything above a C are the DePression trade and Landale signing tbh.

Even Lil Weezy? You give that a D? Interesting. Who was your preferred pick in the second round?

[Fusternino]

So, the cliff jumpers have come to their senses to realize the DDR trade was fantastic?

(1) Keep the Spurs image "good" as we got DDR the most amount of money possible on this market.
(2) Got back players at position of need (forwards) who are on expiring deals who can be flipped.
(3) Got back some draft capital.

Great deal!

[TD 21]

Unless they can somehow miraculously add another star, Lavine/DeRozan/Ball isn't a big three anyone would want to take to the bank.

Unless is was an oversight, how does Vucevic, no worse than 1B to LaVine's 1A, not qualify for their "big three", but Ball does?



:lol Forms is gonna start and play heavy minutes

Nah, he'll be the sixth man unless Walker IV has made a quantum leap.

[Dex]

Unless is was an oversight, how does Vucevic, no worse than 1B to LaVine's 1A, not qualify for their "big three", but Ball does?




Nah, he'll be the sixth man unless Walker IV has made a quantum leap.

Eh....I actually forgot about Vuc which goes to show how highly he ranks on my list. But yes, he is probably above Ball in every category except crazy fathers.

[Robz4000]

Even Lil Weezy? You give that a D? Interesting. Who was your preferred pick in the second round?

Nah, I'll give him a B.

[Robz4000]

So, the cliff jumpers have come to their senses to realize the DDR trade was fantastic?

(1) Keep the Spurs image "good" as we got DDR the most amount of money possible on this market.
(2) Got back players at position of need (forwards) who are on expiring deals who can be flipped.
(3) Got back some draft capital.

Great deal!

Who was cliffjumping about the DePression trade? The fact they got rid of him at all was already the best thing about this offseason, the fact they got positive value from a trade was icing on the cake.

[Dex]

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Nearly $14M a year for a center who puts up numbers similar to Poeltl and has only started 13 games. His Per36 is better but Jakob has better advanced stats on defense.

I know Jak is never going to be an All-Star or anything, but that deal is looking better and better over time.

[Robz4000]

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Nearly $14M a year for a center who puts up numbers similar to Poeltl and has only started 13 games. His Per36 is better but Jakob has better advanced stats on defense.

I know Jak is never going to be an All-Star or anything, but that deal is looking better and better over time.

I'm a pretty big fan of Robert Williams III tbh. Could definitely see that contract becoming a bargain.

[Kurik]

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Nearly $14M a year for a center who puts up numbers similar to Poeltl and has only started 13 games. His Per36 is better but Jakob has better advanced stats on defense.

I know Jak is never going to be an All-Star or anything, but that deal is looking better and better over time.

Agreed, I still find it funny that Timvp said it was an overpay.

[CGD]

So would you rather make a trade and spend on a possible Simmons, Siakam, KP now, hypothetically, or have 25+ million in potential cap space for an Aaron Gordon, who doesn't move the needle?? That is why even looking at Wiggins and Harrison Barnes is intriguing to think about. If Markkanen would have signed a 3/4 deal at 15/16 million per year he'd be a Spur right now. Not Thad Young. And there wouldn't be a consideration of what cap space was available for next year because they would have spent the money on Lauri already. Something has got to be brewing because this article sounds like musical chairs is playing already and talent is being removed from consideration, and you better have a plan so you aren't left without a chair.

I have been all about a Wiggins for assets trade for some time.

[tonight...you]

I have been all about a Wiggins for assets trade for some time.
They better be some damn good assets.

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn Boston overpaid like crazy :lol

[CGD]

1428768452077146112

Nearly $14M a year for a center who puts up numbers similar to Poeltl and has only started 13 games. His Per36 is better but Jakob has better advanced stats on defense.

I know Jak is never going to be an All-Star or anything, but that deal is looking better and better over time.

There’s an org whose fan base should be pissed about their off-season.

[CGD]

They better be some damn good assets.

Yeah it’d take some combo of Weisman, Kuminga, and draft capital.

[Fusternino]

And update on KBD?

And yes I remember four years ago thinking that at least the Mills deal wasn't as bad as the Marcus Smart one.

[R. DeMurre]

1428768452077146112

Nearly $14M a year for a center who puts up numbers similar to Poeltl and has only started 13 games. His Per36 is better but Jakob has better advanced stats on defense.

I know Jak is never going to be an All-Star or anything, but that deal is looking better and better over time.

Gotta disagree on this one! Their raw numbers are only comparable because Poeltl played more minutes. If you look at production per minute or per possessions, Williams outperforms Poeltl by a pretty big margin-- more points, more rebounds, more steals, blocks, & assists, a better FG%, a better BPM & VORP, a higher Ortg & a lower DRtg... and he's younger. I think if you take the salary environment & cap space situation into account, their contracts are pretty similar, but I'd bet Williams will be the more effective & productive player. The biggest issue Williams has is staying out of foul trouble, but that's an issue for Poeltl too, so I don't even see an advantage there.



https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=poeltja01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=williro04&p2yrfrom=2021

[Degoat]

I’m embarrassed to even bring this up but we’re kinda in that dead zone in the off-season, that Youtuber Spursclan said he’s been told by his source that the spurs are looking to trade for Sekou Doumbouya, I was a fan of him when he was drafted but he hasn’t done anything in the league really.

[Ocotillo]

I’m embarrassed to even bring this up but we’re kinda in that dead zone in the off-season, that Youtuber Spursclan said he’s been told by his source that the spurs are looking to trade for Sekou Doumbouya, I was a fan of him when he was drafted but he hasn’t done anything in the league really.

Something is likely going to happen that involves sending out more players than come back. It may come down to eating contracts but I find it hard to believe that will be the case. Something like what you are saying here would not surprise me, I am expecting something out of left field.

[Seventyniner]

I’m embarrassed to even bring this up but we’re kinda in that dead zone in the off-season, that Youtuber Spursclan said he’s been told by his source that the spurs are looking to trade for Sekou Doumbouya, I was a fan of him when he was drafted but he hasn’t done anything in the league really.

That might be exactly why the Spurs want him; they think they can improve his game and want to buy low.

Edit: glancing at his stats, 41% of his shots come from 3 where he shoots 25.4% for his career. Yikes. I've never watched him so I have no idea what his defense is like. He has positive Defensive Win Shares but negative DBPM. His OBPM is understandably putrid given his shooting woes.

[Sugus]

Gotta disagree on this one! Their raw numbers are only comparable because Poeltl played more minutes. If you look at production per minute or per possessions, Williams outperforms Poeltl by a pretty big margin-- more points, more rebounds, more steals, blocks, & assists, a better FG%, a better BPM & VORP, a higher Ortg & a lower DRtg... and he's younger. I think if you take the salary environment & cap space situation into account, their contracts are pretty similar, but I'd bet Williams will be the more effective & productive player. The biggest issue Williams has is staying out of foul trouble, but that's an issue for Poeltl too, so I don't even see an advantage there.



https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=poeltja01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=williro04&p2yrfrom=2021

Gotta disagree here, my guy, and not (only) because I like Poeltl.

Williams' biggest issue by far is staying healthy. He literally can't stay on the court - whenever he's been given a bigger role by the C's he's gotten injured. It's disingenuous to scale up his production per minutes or possessions, then, because you simply can't rely on that production to maintain its course if he's given the amount of minutes/role that Jakob's played.

Take a look at their games & minutes played: Williams played 32, 29, and 52 games through his NBA seasons, and only started 16 games between the 3 seasons. Also only played 18MPG last season, and got injured when the C's tried to start him full-time, too, IIRC. On contrast, Jakob's played 54, 82, 77, 66, and 69 games through his NBA seasons, starting 51 of them last season and playing 26MPG in it. It's a big difference. Best ability is availability, after all, and the C's still don't know whether they can rely on him full-time despite sinking upwards of $50M on them. And you know the thing about injury-prone C's is that they don't tend to get less injury-prone as their career progresses, but rather the opposite...

[Fusternino]

Haven't both Duombouya and Hahimura really underperformed compared to (Patrick) Williams and Hunter? (Just thinks of all the big name combo forwards in the past few drafts)

Detroit might want Eubanks, since they like our bigs. Maybe also offload Hutchinson? I dunno. Although the Pistons themselves already have too many guys . . .

[R. DeMurre]

Gotta disagree here, my guy, and not (only) because I like Poeltl.

Williams' biggest issue by far is staying healthy. He literally can't stay on the court - whenever he's been given a bigger role by the C's he's gotten injured. It's disingenuous to scale up his production per minutes or possessions, then, because you simply can't rely on that production to maintain its course if he's given the amount of minutes/role that Jakob's played.

Take a look at their games & minutes played: Williams played 32, 29, and 52 games through his NBA seasons, and only started 16 games between the 3 seasons. Also only played 18MPG last season, and got injured when the C's tried to start him full-time, too, IIRC. On contrast, Jakob's played 54, 82, 77, 66, and 69 games through his NBA seasons, starting 51 of them last season and playing 26MPG in it. It's a big difference. Best ability is availability, after all, and the C's still don't know whether they can rely on him full-time despite sinking upwards of $50M on them. And you know the thing about injury-prone C's is that they don't tend to get less injury-prone as their career progresses, but rather the opposite...


Good point about the injury history-- it's more extensive than I realized. Generally I'd agree with you on the idea of scaling up stats for comparisons and I definitely wouldn't do it if it was a 14 mpg guy vs a 33 mpg guy, but I thought with 18.9mpg vs 26.7mpg it was justified. I'm guessing Boston did their homework in terms of health and feel confident RWlll can be a relatively healthy player going forward. It's definitely a risk, but I think his production per minute is such that it could be a good pay off if it plays out right. In a way, isn't this gamble a bit similar to the one the Spurs are currently playing with Primo (outside of the health angle), hoping that this 23 yr old Center with limited experience is about to blossom and become a legit force, even though he has so far only shown flashes and oozes potential? I think in the absence of great FAs, this is the best way to improve a team, to catch a guy on the way up... We'll see!

Btw, I like Poeltl too and consider his contract a deal, though I'd prefer him as a bench center who comes in and dominates other bench centers, while a more offensive minded passer/shooter center starts. One reason I was initially excited about Thaddeus, though now he looks more like a trade piece and doesn't necessarily fit the team time line...

[Philthemage]

Cleveland seems to be interested in getting a wing and parting with Larry Nance. Wonder if we would be interested in getting rid of our wings for him.

Nance seems to a great passer and play great out of the high post. High energy and athletic...

[szkorhetz]

Cleveland seems to be interested in getting a wing and parting with Larry Nance. Wonder if we would be interested in getting rid of our wings for him.

Nance seems to a great passer and play great out of the high post. High energy and athletic...
What wings do We have?
McDermott, Young and Aminu are the only wings on this roster and We can't move either of them.

[CGD]

I’m embarrassed to even bring this up but we’re kinda in that dead zone in the off-season, that Youtuber Spursclan said he’s been told by his source that the spurs are looking to trade for Sekou Doumbouya, I was a fan of him when he was drafted but he hasn’t done anything in the league really.

You should be embarrassed, sir.

[CGD]

Cleveland seems to be interested in getting a wing and parting with Larry Nance. Wonder if we would be interested in getting rid of our wings for him.

Nance seems to a great passer and play great out of the high post. High energy and athletic...

Pass

[exstatic]

What wings do We have?
McDermott, Young and Aminu are the only wings on this roster and We can't move either of them.

Young is a PF, and so is Aminu at this point.

[exstatic]

I’m embarrassed to even bring this up but we’re kinda in that dead zone in the off-season, that Youtuber Spursclan said he’s been told by his source that the spurs are looking to trade for Sekou Doumbouya, I was a fan of him when he was drafted but he hasn’t done anything in the league really.

He’s like a shorter, worse version of Sammich.

[FutureMan]

Spurs may need to get involved in a 3 team trade to move all these extra players. Boston is trying to get Lillard so maybe:

BOS: Lillard, Aminu, & Hutchinson
POR: Horford, Brown, Murray, & whatever the appropriate picks would be
SAS: McCollum

This would help this Spurs lack of 3 point shooting. On that note I’ve seen people say that Forbes and McDermott will make up for that but they shot less threes than Mills and Gay so we are still at least 8 threes off a game to be average. McCollum would obviously fix that.

[Seventyniner]

Spurs may need to get involved in a 3 team trade to move all these extra players. Boston is trying to get Lillard so maybe:

BOS: Lillard, Aminu, & Hutchinson
POR: Horford, Brown, Murray, & whatever the appropriate picks would be
SAS: McCollum

This would help this Spurs lack of 3 point shooting. On that note I’ve seen people say that Forbes and McDermott will make up for that but they shot less threes than Mills and Gay so we are still at least 8 threes off a game to be average. McCollum would obviously fix that.

3PA per 36 minutes last season: Mills 9.2, Gay 7.4, Forbes 9.1, McDermott 6.4. I wouldn't be too concerned about the 3PA volume.

The much bigger problem is that McDermott shoots 0.407 from 3 for his career versus Gay's 0.350, but Gay is a far better defender and shot 3s almost as well as McDermott last season (McD 0.388, Gay 0.381). Forbes greatly outshot Mills on a percentage basis last season (0.452 vs 0.375) but again, Mills is the far superior defender and I expect Forbes's percentage to revert to his 0.412 career average; he won't be getting nearly as many wide open shots without players like Giannis and Middleton to suck in multiple defenders.

The offense shouldn't be a whole lot different with these two replacements, but the defense is going to suffer a lot.

[FutureMan]

3PA per 36 minutes last season: Mills 9.2, Gay 7.4, Forbes 9.1, McDermott 6.4. I wouldn't be too concerned about the 3PA volume.

The much bigger problem is that McDermott shoots 0.407 from 3 for his career versus Gay's 0.350, but Gay is a far better defender and shot 3s almost as well as McDermott last season (McD 0.388, Gay 0.381). Forbes greatly outshot Mills on a percentage basis last season (0.452 vs 0.375) but again, Mills is the far superior defender and I expect Forbes's percentage to revert to his 0.412 career average; he won't be getting nearly as many wide open shots without players like Giannis and Middleton to suck in multiple defenders.

The offense shouldn't be a whole lot different with these two replacements, but the defense is going to suffer a lot.

Our offense was subpar in terms of 3’s last year too though. Which is what I’m saying. I don’t see this team making the playoffs again until the Spurs are shooting at least league average for 3PA.

Last year the average was 34.4 and we shot 28.4… it may not seem like much but it’s a difference maker.

To your point on defense the Spurs WERE successful when they weren’t shooting that many threes because their defense was top 10. However, sadly, those days are gone. They can certainly work on their defense but they needs to focus on 3’s too.

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

^ If Lonnie has a decently good season (at least with efficient scoring/shooting) and some improvement, he'll get a lot of interest. It's an environment primed for him betting on himself.

[spurs10]

:lol that'd be a good thing honestly, keeps the ball out of Lebron or AD's hands Genius!

[cd021]

I’m embarrassed to even bring this up but we’re kinda in that dead zone in the off-season, that Youtuber Spursclan said he’s been told by his source that the spurs are looking to trade for Sekou Doumbouya, I was a fan of him when he was drafted but he hasn’t done anything in the league really.

I'm also curious about Sekou and whether the Spurs would trade for him, considering it sounds like Detroit wants to give him away. The Spurs definitely seemed interested in him two years ago. Team's don't normally give up on lottery picks after two years, so that's a red flag.

[Leetonidas]

Lauri to Cleveland in a 3 teamer including Portland

[mo7888]

Lauri to Cleveland in a 3 teamer including Portland

Larry Nance goes to Portland in the deal...Jones Jr and draft capital to Chicago

[Chinook]

That all said, I think it would've been interesting to have gotten Nance back instead of Aminu, but likely that would've prevented the Spurs from getting a first-rounder from Chicago. Larry is a rotation-caliber big who can and usually does play the four. That probably means Collins wouldn't've been signed, giving the Spurs $7 Million more to work with. Or they could've done the deal as is and probably gotten a better first back than the one Chicago gave up. Hopefully the Bulls getting back a first means they're going to keep trying to "win now" and be more likely to convey that first to the Spurs in a few years.

[Leetonidas]

Larry Nance goes to Portland in the deal...Jones Jr and draft capital to Chicago

Yep, Chicago gets a 1st and a 2nd along with DJJ for a player they didnt even want. Solid deal for them

[mo7888]

I think I like this move for Cleveland. He's a good fit next to Allen while Mobley develops. They need to move one of Garland or Sexton and add a shooting wing. They also really need to attach something significant to Love and move that contract. They'll have a nice little rebuild going in the east..and might even make some noise pushing for a playoff spot..

[Mr. Body]

Lauri to Cleveland in a 3 teamer including Portland

And Markkanen will never be heard from again.

[Dex]

Lauri to Cleveland in a 3 teamer including Portland

"I demand a change of scenery"

OK, you're going to Cleveland.

"Actually, Chicago is fine. I love wind and crime"

[itzsoweezee]

Blazers giving up a first round pick for Larry Nance is amazing. Olshey is truly one of the worst GMs in the league

[SAGirl]

Larry Nance goes to Portland in the deal...Jones Jr and draft capital to Chicago
Chicago ended up getting the first round pick they wanted for Markkannen wow

[R. DeMurre]

Nance is an upgrade over Melo-- better defender, better passer, better rebounder, more steals, ok 3pt shot... but Portland's just never gonna win it all with a tiny back court that can't play defense, so it's kind of a moot point.

[timtonymanu]

another year of Portland keeping CJ McCollum. Dame will leave soon.

[cd021]

Blazers giving up a first round pick for Larry Nance is amazing. Olshey is truly one of the worst GMs in the league
When you have super star who might be thinking of leaving, GMs tend to get desperate. They also had limited options for improving the team.

[duncan2150]

That all said, I think it would've been interesting to have gotten Nance back instead of Aminu, but likely that would've prevented the Spurs from getting a first-rounder from Chicago. Larry is a rotation-caliber big who can and usually does play the four. That probably means Collins wouldn't've been signed, giving the Spurs $7 Million more to work with. Or they could've done the deal as is and probably gotten a better first back than the one Chicago gave up. Hopefully the Bulls getting back a first means they're going to keep trying to "win now" and be more likely to convey that first to the Spurs in a few years.

Chris Fedor: Heard one of the many teams that showed interest in Larry Nance Jr. before the Markkanen deal was the San Antonio Spurs. (https://hoopshype.com/social/) But the only realistic fit was Doug McDermott who can’t be moved for a few months after signing this offseason.
– via Twitter ChrisFedor (https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor)

[LCM]

Is Cleveland trying to swing a for the fences move and go after Simmons? Now that the Cavs have Markkanen and Allen long term and Simmons has 4 years left on his deal, they could use Mobley, Sexton as the pieces to do it.

If you are the Spurs, would you trade Thad Young + whoever to get Mobley to SA, even if it meant taking on Love's contract?

Of course this would have to be multiple team trade, but would the Spurs be a facilitator if Mobley is the prize.

[lmbebo]

Is Cleveland trying to swing a for the fences move and go after Simmons? Now that the Cavs have Markkanen and Allen long term and Simmons has 4 years left on his deal, they could use Mobley, Sexton as the pieces to do it.

If you are the Spurs, would you trade Thad Young + whoever to get Mobley to SA, even if it meant taking on Love's contract?

Of course this would have to be multiple team trade, but would the Spurs be a facilitator if Mobley is the prize.

I'd do if it meant getting Mobley.

[SAGirl]

Is Cleveland trying to swing a for the fences move and go after Simmons? Now that the Cavs have Markkanen and Allen long term and Simmons has 4 years left on his deal, they could use Mobley, Sexton as the pieces to do it.

If you are the Spurs, would you trade Thad Young + whoever to get Mobley to SA, even if it meant taking on Love's contract?

Of course this would have to be multiple team trade, but would the Spurs be a facilitator if Mobley is the prize.
I do know that Mobley had a lot of teams trying to trade with Cleveland prior to the draft (including the Grizzlies, who likely offered Anderson and/or Brooks plus a pick swap in exchange for him, which is where that rumor they were in trade talks with Cleveland comes from). Once the draft was over, Memphis backed up, but the point is that Mobley has (had) suitors.

I don't think Young gets you Mobley tbh, not even close.

Mobley remains an asset CLE can leverage in a move for a better established player.

I hadn't thought of the Simmons angle because Cleveland lacks shooting but in general their moves have not made much sense.

[LCM]

I do know that Mobley had a lot of teams trying to trade with Cleveland prior to the draft (including the Grizzlies, who likely offered Anderson and/or Brooks plus a pick swap in exchange for him, which is where that rumor they were in trade talks with Cleveland comes from). Once the draft was over, Memphis backed up, but the point is that Mobley has (had) suitors.

I don't think Young gets you Mobley tbh, not even close.

Mobley remains an asset CLE can leverage in a move for a better established player.

I hadn't thought of the Simmons angle because Cleveland lacks shooting but in general their moves have not made much sense.

If Young is going anywhere it's by himself because right now, that is the only way to trade him. Everyone has talked about Phoenix being interested. You would use those pieces especially if Jalen Smith is one them, Saric is injured but his salary is movable to match money.

Love is already coming out and saying he's not taking a buy out. And yes, Cleveland is within the Eastern Conference, but 76ers would be sending Simmons to NBA Purgatory!! For 4 years!! Like any small market team, Cleveland needs stars to win but also to MARKET the team. Simmons, Markkanen, and Allen would be on three 7ft posters everywhere! Philly wouldn't care as long as they get a decent return. Garland is a better passer and 3pt shooter than Sexton, Cavs will keep him. You could be looking at a Garland, Simmons, Okoro, Markkanen, Allen starting lineup. If Okoro develops a jumper/3pt shot, they can run, spread out, pick and pop with Markkanen, pick and roll Allen, anyone but Allen can rebound and start the break, and Simmons won't have a consistent post presence getting in his way as he goes downhill ... Philadelphia doesn't need Mobley, but SA does! 76ers are looking for picks and contributors for a playoff run this year.

I would've traded for Love if the Cavs put the 3 pick with it to begin with for the chance of getting a Mobley or Kuminga before the draft. If you can facilitate a multiple team trade to get Philly close to what they want for Simmons, and the prize at the end of it is Mobley, I would take on Love's contract if I'm the Spurs. And if I'm Love, and the Spurs showed interest, I'd be thrilled because Pop had a plan in mind for him at the Olympics before Love withdrew. Love also fits on the FA 2023 timeline, because what does cap space do you for FA 2022 but leave you open to the potential of bad long term contracts.

You could be looking at :
SL : White, Johnson, McDermott, Love, Mobley
Bench: Jones, Forbes (disgusting), Vassell, Aminu, Landale
(Jones, Vassell, Aminu, Collins, Landale - when Collins is healthy)
Forbes, Primo, Eubanks, Jeffries, Hutchinson
Two way - Wieskamp, KBD??

Young, Murray, LW4, Samanic, and Poeltl would be involved in the multiple team trade, plus picks. But I wouldn't use my own but the ones we're getting from other teams. You're building for the future, you would get a great asset in Mobley, you are setting yourself up for the big FA Class of 2023 with cap space, and you don't sacrifice your own draft picks to do it. But, who knows what will happen ... interesting possibility though

[Ignazzz]

Mobley for funny assets?...

nice joke

[R. DeMurre]

Mobley is 20, on a rookie scale contract, and has the potential to be the best player in his draft class... why on earth would Cleveland be thinking about trading him?

[CGD]

Chris Fedor: Heard one of the many teams that showed interest in Larry Nance Jr. before the Markkanen deal was the San Antonio Spurs. (https://hoopshype.com/social/) But the only realistic fit was Doug McDermott who can’t be moved for a few months after signing this offseason.
– via Twitter ChrisFedor (https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor)

Good to file away, in case the Portland situation detonates.

Also, if the Kevin Love situation is (finally) heading to a separation, I’d look at salary dump play there. Sounds like they’re looking at a buyout, so maybe a home for some of our excess players.

Just saying, Thad, Aminu, Hutch for Love’s contract and a pick would be decent.

[BacktoBasics]

Mobley for funny assets?...

nice joke

This forum is obsessed with the idea that we can land lottery type shit if we simply take a bad contract.

[exstatic]

I'm also curious about Sekou and whether the Spurs would trade for him, considering it sounds like Detroit wants to give him away. The Spurs definitely seemed interested in him two years ago. Team's don't normally give up on lottery picks after two years, so that's a red flag.

They gave up on him, because he’s awful. Like Hutchison level awful.

[TD 21]

This Mobley stuff is laughable.

As for Doumbouya, perfect example of why I say there's a non zero chance Samanic gets cut. The former was regarded as a better prospect/project, yet the Pistons are already ready to give up on him.

Just because it's known going in that it'll likely be at least 2 years before a player is likely able to contribute, they still have to progress at a certain rate for a team to continue to invest resources in their development.

[DPG21920]

Some confirmation of teams being interested in Thad:

The Suns are among the contenders who have pursued Spurs forward Thaddeus Young, sources said. San Antonio acquired Young in a sign-and-trade — along with a first-round pick and two second-round picks — and now are expected to receive strong interest in the veteran forward from competitive teams. Young averaged 12.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.3 assists while playing in 68 games (23 starts) and shooting 55.9 percent from the field a season ago.

https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1432350477946171392?s=21

[DPG21920]

Would be excellent sign if SA parlayed Thad into another first and/or a younger prospect they like that fits the timeline better.

Hopefully they really do get a good deal pre season for Thad - would help me be more comfortable knowing their heads are in the right spot

[exstatic]

Would be excellent sign if SA parlayed Thad into another first and/or a younger prospect they like that fits the timeline better.

Hopefully they really do get a good deal pre season for Thad - would help me be more comfortable knowing their heads are in the right spot
Not many teams give good value in the pre season. Your best return usually comes in February, when contenders become convinced that the piece you hold is the one that puts them over the top.

[DPG21920]

Not many teams give good value in the pre season. Your best return usually comes in February, when contenders become convinced that the piece you hold is the one that puts them over the top.

That’s fine - I still think he should be moved now. Any increase in value by waiting is likely offset by risk of his value going down in the system + injury. Get a first now and be happy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That’s fine - I still think he should be moved now. Any increase in value by waiting is likely offset by risk of his value going down in the system + injury. Get a first now and be happy.

A Thad trade will be more likely after October 3rd ( it was it 5th? ) when he could be paired with another player. The biggest issue is that most contenders can't trade a 1st at all. Phoenix is obviously an option - they can trade their 2024 first , or 2025 - depending on when they convey their pick to OKC. Philly would be an option with their 2022 pick but only after a Simmons trade imo.

[DPG21920]

A Thad trade will be more likely after October 3rd ( it was it 5th? ) when he could be paired with another player. The biggest issue is that most contenders can't trade a 1st at all. Phoenix is obviously an option - they can trade their 2024 first , or 2025 - depending on when they convey their pick to OKC. Philly would be an option with their 2022 pick but only after a Simmons trade imo.

As long as it’s before the season I’m good. October 5th fits that timeline. But Thad can be traded with other players - that has been verified since he was brought in using cap space.

[DPG21920]

A Thad trade will be more likely after October 3rd ( it was it 5th? ) when he could be paired with another player. The biggest issue is that most contenders can't trade a 1st at all. Phoenix is obviously an option - they can trade their 2024 first , or 2025 - depending on when they convey their pick to OKC. Philly would be an option with their 2022 pick but only after a Simmons trade imo.

I really thought POR would be that team. It seemed obvious but they ended up going with Nance for their first which can’t argue too much with.

I’m fine not getting a first if they get a legit young prospect though. One that fits the timeline. But if not definitely should get a first.

I wonder if Boston could be a partner? Something like Al Horford + 1st + 2nd for Thad + Jakob

[SAGirl]

Some confirmation of teams being interested in Thad:

The Suns are among the contenders who have pursued Spurs forward Thaddeus Young, sources said. San Antonio acquired Young in a sign-and-trade — along with a first-round pick and two second-round picks — and now are expected to receive strong interest in the veteran forward from competitive teams. Young averaged 12.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.3 assists while playing in 68 games (23 starts) and shooting 55.9 percent from the field a season ago.

https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1432350477946171392?s=21
Thanks for sharing, but this turns into they are interested when he negotiates a buyout or is waived.

[Teamduncan21]

Thanks for sharing, but this turns into they are interested when he negotiates a buyout or is waived.

Waived seems not ideal. We should just then play him until someone is willing to give a pick.

[Chinook]

A Thad trade will be more likely after October 3rd ( it was it 5th? ) when he could be paired with another player. The biggest issue is that most contenders can't trade a 1st at all. Phoenix is obviously an option - they can trade their 2024 first , or 2025 - depending on when they convey their pick to OKC. Philly would be an option with their 2022 pick but only after a Simmons trade imo.

Thad can already be paired with another player. That restriction didn't kick in because SA was under the cap when they acquired him. The same is true for Animu and Hutch. The Spurs aren't waiting for any deadline to send him off. They probably just don't want to move him.

[Chinook]

That’s fine - I still think he should be moved now. Any increase in value by waiting is likely offset by risk of his value going down in the system + injury. Get a first now and be happy.

I think Ex more means that the Spurs can't get a first now but might be able to get one in February. It's not like a team would give up one first now by two at the deadline. Most likely the offerings are seconds and failed prospects now. The Spurs should absolutely risk "losing him for nothing" or his value tanking. They clearly won by doing that with DeRozan, and even though they bought Aldridge out, the size of the buyout suggests the Spurs likely passed up on a trade in order to save money. LMA made it worth the ownership's while to get full freedom. Otherwise, he'd've probably been dealt to a middling competitor for minor assets

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

As long as it’s before the season I’m good. October 5th fits that timeline. But Thad can be traded with other players - that has been verified since he was brought in using cap space.


Thad can already be paired with another player. That restriction didn't kick in because SA was under the cap when they acquired him. The same is true for Animu and Hutch. The Spurs aren't waiting for any deadline to send him off. They probably just don't want to move him.

:toast Great point. Not used to the Spurs operating under the cap.

[NASpurs]

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[Notorious H.O.P.]

Not sure if this was posted.

"Some Pacers trade stuff - I’m told the following picks were exchanged in the Doug McDermott trade: Pacers get: 2023 Spurs 2nd, top-55 protected. Spurs get: 2023 Pacers 2nd, top-55 protected, plus right to swap 2026 2nds (get best of their 2RP and (worse of Pacers/Heat 2RP))."

[Leetonidas]

Interesting...so the Spurs wanted Lauri but the Bulls refused. I guess it ended up working out for them in the end

[wildbill2u]

Are there any indications from team sources that they want to get rid of Young before seeing what he brings on the court? Or is this just speculation from wanna be GMs on this thread who want to get rid of him before he sees the court in a Spurs uniform.????

[Leetonidas]

Are there any indications from team sources that they want to get rid of Young before seeing what he brings on the court? Or is this just speculation from wanna be GMs on this thread who want to get rid of him before he sees the court in a Spurs uniform.????

No, of course not. But, the fact that the Spurs social media pages only posted a "welcome to SA Thad/Aminu!" thing like 3 weeks ago and that was it, makes me think they are not fully committed to keep him yet. Otherwise they'd have probably posted a highlight video of him and showed him with Wright holding up his jersey like the other confirmed new additions.

Thad/Aminu/Hutchinson are the only players who havent really gotten anything besides the initial welcome post when the trades were made and that was it. probably nothing, but like i said, the Spurs social media pages usually post a little more about the guys which makes me think they're being shopped

[TD 21]

I wonder if Boston could be a partner? Something like Al Horford + 1st + 2nd for Thad + Jakob

They probably are, but with their $17.142, 857M trade exception from the Fournier to Knicks sign and trade + lottery or top 20 protected 1st.

It probably comes down to them, the Timberwolves and Suns and hopefully it gets done before the season mostly for reasons you stated.

[SAGirl]

Waived seems not ideal. We should just then play him until someone is willing to give a pick.
I agree. I just don’t believe this reported interest means much if a pick isn’t attached and it will end up in nothing. Hopefully not. I am getting too used to seeing teams agree to buyouts with veterans that want to ring chase. Hopefully this isn’t the case but I am skeptical.

[SAGirl]

Interesting...so the Spurs wanted Lauri but the Bulls refused. I guess it ended up working out for them in the end
I am guessing Spurs wanted Markkanen plus a pick for Derozan. Chicago in this scenario was right to refuse because they could turn (and did) Lauri’s right into a first round pick separately. That makes sense that he wasn’t included instead of the rumor that leaked b4 that he wanted too much. Considering how the Spurs have scrambled for a shooting big, I do think they wanted him.

[DPG21920]

They probably are, but with their $17.142, 857M trade exception from the Fournier to Knicks sign and trade + lottery or top 20 protected 1st.

It probably comes down to them, the Timberwolves and Suns and hopefully it gets done before the season mostly for reasons you stated.

Ya after I posted I found out / remembered they had that Te. That’s perfect. No players back and a first is outstanding

[DPG21920]

I think Ex more means that the Spurs can't get a first now but might be able to get one in February. It's not like a team would give up one first now by two at the deadline. Most likely the offerings are seconds and failed prospects now. The Spurs should absolutely risk "losing him for nothing" or his value tanking. They clearly won by doing that with DeRozan, and even though they bought Aldridge out, the size of the buyout suggests the Spurs likely passed up on a trade in order to save money. LMA made it worth the ownership's while to get full freedom. Otherwise, he'd've probably been dealt to a middling competitor for minor assets

Maybe - I’m not so sure though. I’m guessing he has value now but Sa may be evaluating many things. We will see. I can absolutely see them wanting to trade him but of course have to lend credence to them maybe not wanting to.

We just saw a “contender” give a 1st for Nance vs waiting until the deadline. And there’s only so many good players at that position available so I have to believe Thad has that value as well.

[Chinook]

Nance is a good player. He'd be an easy starter on the Spurs and one of their best players. To top it off, he's signed for cheap next year. He has comfortably more value than Young.

[Atl Spur]

I said it before Laurie was supposed to be a spur....... oh well!

[Atl Spur]

Nance is a good player. He'd be an easy starter on the Spurs and one of their best players. To top it off, he's signed for cheap next year. He has comfortably more value than Young.

Thad is a solid piece for a contender; ultimate glue guy.

[CGD]

Maybe - I’m not so sure though. I’m guessing he has value now but Sa may be evaluating many things. We will see. I can absolutely see them wanting to trade him but of course have to lend credence to them maybe not wanting to.

We just saw a “contender” give a 1st for Nance vs waiting until the deadline. And there’s only so many good players at that position available so I have to believe Thad has that value as well.

He might, but for a discreet few teams with needs for him. Of the ones mentioned above PHX and BOS fit the bill, though, I’m really underwhelmed by the PHX Saric/Smith idea.

[Chinook]

Thad is a solid piece for a contender; ultimate glue guy.

That's true. Nance still has more value. I don't think Spurs fans know how good he is.

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Not sure if this was posted.

"Some Pacers trade stuff - I’m told the following picks were exchanged in the Doug McDermott trade: Pacers get: 2023 Spurs 2nd, top-55 protected. Spurs get: 2023 Pacers 2nd, top-55 protected, plus right to swap 2026 2nds (get best of their 2RP and (worse of Pacers/Heat 2RP))."

lol, they swapped 2023 2nd rd top 55 protected to each other??

[talkspurs]

lol, they swapped 2023 2nd rd top 55 protected to each other??

Yep so spurs could come out worse in this trade then just signing him. If out pick would be 55 or lower and we have a worse record then pacers or heat in 2026.