Official 2021 Free Agency Day Thread (Begins at 5PM CT)

[Mr. Body]

Simmons is a massive prima donna and big trouble. Stay far, far away.

[Leetonidas]

:lol only the Warriors have the assets to make a trade for him. Simmons is dumb

[pookenstein]

It’s not per realgm, it’s per ESPN

realgm trying to get hits by posting it. Their article references ESPN. There’s no “scoop” founded by realgm.

the article by ESPN just says talks have not gone far and that there are varying interests.

its more ado about nothing

see how news travels and how information gets fucked up? Don’t trust everything you read or listen to without doing proper research.

Thx for claring that up. I just saw it on real gm and nobody mentioned it here, so I thought I'd share.

[Leetonidas]

Knicks have renounced Frank Ntilikina

[The Truth #6]

With DJM being a Klutch member that could complicate any pie in the sky trade for BS anyway. Before the draft I was minimally intrigued about the idea, or at least could understand Pop pursuing it because of some possible bond they may have or something random like that, but now? Run!!! Let Morey choke on this debacle.

[BacktoBasics]

Knicks have renounced Frank Ntilikina

That’s a player I think the Spurs could have developed nicely. NY was a bad place for him to be.

[Mr. Body]

With DJM being a Klutch member that could complicate any pie in the sky trade for BS anyway. Before the draft I was minimally intrigued about the idea, or at least could understand Pop pursuing it because of some possible bond they may have or something random like that, but now? Run!!! Let Morey choke on this debacle.

I feel eventually they'll try to get Murray out.

Klutch is a cancer Silver needs to excise from the league.

[exstatic]

That’s a player I think the Spurs could have developed nicely. NY was a bad place for him to be.

I like him. Saw him STONE Westchuck and KD in the same game.

[Atl Spur]

I feel eventually they'll try to get Murray out.

Klutch is a cancer Silver needs to excise from the league.

Why is Klutch a cancer again?

[The Truth #6]

I feel eventually they'll try to get Murray out.

Klutch is a cancer Silver needs to excise from the league.

I agree on both counts. Klutch may eventually dissolve over time, but unfortunately the legacy will likely continue. Unless Silver drastically reimagines how to market the league (promoting teams instead of players, or just promoting the game itself and get rid of the elitist superstar hierarchy), then I’m not sure how the NBA recaptures its legitimacy. They should learn from FIBA and the Olympic games, but that seems like a huge reach in imagination for Silver.

[The Truth #6]

Why is Klutch a cancer again?

Flip it around. Try to explain how they are good for the league. The superstar dictating roster changes. It kills small markets. I hate the owners too. But it’s fans who get screwed.

[CGD]

"BenSimmons is open to being traded to the #Clippers, #Lakers or #Warriors, per Jason Dumas."

unexpected destinations

Yeah the way this is playing out, I’m less enthusiastic about going after him with all the sideshow. Still triggered by Leonard experience.

That said, would be interested in being part of the trade for other pieces. You can see the salary matching foundation there, but obviously with major fighting about who sends what assets out still to be figured out:

GSW: Simmons (~30M)
Spurs: Wiggins (~30M)
Philly: Thad + White/Murray (~30M)
Bulls: DeRozen (~28M)

[BillMc]

"BenSimmons is open to being traded to the #Clippers, #Lakers or #Warriors, per Jason Dumas."

unexpected destinations

Simmons has 4 years on his contract. He doesn't have much leverage. If Philly trades him to a noncalifornia team, well, he can sit out, etc, but that will cost him his money. It's too long of a contract to play the "I won't re-sign game." He'll play where Philly sends him eventually.

That said, I hope they don't send him to SA. Too much the diva.

[Mr. Body]

Why is Klutch a cancer again?

Are you serious?

[Seventyniner]

I like him. Saw him STONE Westchuck and KD in the same game.

His stats look like Bizarro Forbes. Career TS% of 0.454. Putrid on offense.

[Degoat]

Hate it if you will but Klutch looks out for its players tbh… fans may not like it but they get they’re players paid and they get them to where they want to play. Look at Dennis Schroder dumbass agent that turned down 84 million or Lauri Markkanen Agent who blew his load.

[John B]

Flip it around. Try to explain how they are good for the league. The superstar dictating roster changes. It kills small markets. I hate the owners too. But it’s fans who get screwed.
Not just the fans, the game itself. I mean does anyone really want to see that Lakers team win? That’s NBA 2K21 sh%t

[Russ]

Simmons is a massive prima donna and big trouble. Stay far, far away.

And usually those guys can at least shoot.

[exstatic]

His stats look like Bizarro Forbes. Career TS% of 0.454. Putrid on offense.

Yea, he’s kind of like Thybulle, with handles and vision. He did shoot a ridiculous 48% from beyond the arc this year, but it was only 33 games, and 1.5 attempts. He hardly shot any 2s this year, so maybe his role is spot up shooter/Bowen clone? He just turned 23.

[The Truth #6]

BS is already semi-retired it feels like. Has questionable love for the game. Won’t adapt. Already has a Kardashian. I don’t see the Spurs fitting into this picture.

Reminds me of Rodman.

Jock is his Haley. Kardashian instead of Madona. Not happening unless Pop really has some great connection drinking Australian syrahh with him, or something.

[Leetonidas]

DD trade officially complete. Havent seen if any details of the official trade have been changed from the original report or not yet

[Atl Spur]

Are you serious?

Actually I am. Scott Boras has been known to do whatever it takes to look out for his clients and they prosper no matter how hard he makes it on the teams..it’s just negotiating homie! Don’t make to much out of it, it’s just business. I actually like having diversity in the market place.

[Leetonidas]

Actually I am. Scott Boras has been known to do whatever it takes to look out for his clients and they prosper no matter how hard he makes it on the teams..it’s just negotiating homie! Don’t make to much out of it, it’s just business. I actually like having diversity in the market place.

Basically because LeBron's close friend, Rich Paul, is in charge of it, and most of LeBron's close friends or teammates tend to be Klutch clients, and they tend to get to where they want to go more often than not

[Leetonidas]

Actually I am. Scott Boras has been known to do whatever it takes to look out for his clients and they prosper no matter how hard he makes it on the teams..it’s just negotiating homie! Don’t make to much out of it, it’s just business. I actually like having diversity in the market place.

Basically because LeBron's close friend, Rich Paul, is in charge of it, and most of LeBron's close friends or teammates tend to be Klutch clients, and they tend to get to where they want to go more often than not

[BacktoBasics]

Hate it if you will but Klutch looks out for its players tbh… fans may not like it but they get they’re players paid and they get them to where they want to play. Look at Dennis Schroder dumbass agent that turned down 84 million or Lauri Markkanen Agent who blew his load.
That’s a fair point but there’s clearly a league problem when players and agents are building teams not your leagues franchises.

Athlete representatives are important but when they hold all the power it becomes destructive. Look no further than the complete downfall of boxing vs mma. MMA has thrived because of the system… and yes I know ufc shits on their fighters but there should be some middle ground between the disaster of boxing and the mistreatment of ufc fighters.

[Atl Spur]

Basically because LeBron's close friend, Rich Paul, is in charge of it, and most of LeBron's close friends or teammates tend to be Klutch clients, and they tend to get to where they want to go more often than not

And??? It’s just business regardless their affiliation.

[Leetonidas]

And??? It’s just business regardless their affiliation.

I agree. But many people feel Klutch has way too much power and influence over the league, which is probably true. especially when you hear stories about how Klutch basically runs the Lakers now :lol

[Atl Spur]

I agree. But many people feel Klutch has way too much power and influence over the league, which is probably true. especially when you hear stories about how Klutch basically runs the Lakers now :lol

The Lakers sold their soul, that’s a Lakers problem not Klutch! Last I checked players don’t pay themselves millions of dollars to shoot an orange ball.

[spurraider21]

I agree. But many people feel Klutch has way too much power and influence over the league, which is probably true. especially when you hear stories about how Klutch basically runs the Lakers now :lol
if im not mistaken, wasnt marcus morris also with them? and his shenanigans last year fueled the fires a bit

also DJM is with klutch

[The Truth #6]

And??? It’s just business regardless their affiliation.

It’s unethical. For one, Lebron can’t be perceived as having potential leverage over a competitor who is with HIS agency. That’s ridiculous and pathetic it was allowed to exist. Klutch was supposedly bought/consumed by another agency to create distance but in general it’s typical shady conflict of interest too common in not just basketball. I’m not a fan of it, personally.

[spurraider21]

was probably mentioned yesterday but...

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[Atl Spur]

To keep it perfectly 100, it’s about time BLACK representation is at the table in a league thats predominately BLACK! Not a novel concept.....

[Trueblood]

Yeah the way this is playing out, I’m less enthusiastic about going after him with all the sideshow. Still triggered by Leonard experience.

That said, would be interested in being part of the trade for other pieces. You can see the salary matching foundation there, but obviously with major fighting about who sends what assets out still to be figured out:

GSW: Simmons (~30M)
Spurs: Wiggins (~30M)
Philly: Thad + White/Murray (~30M)
Bulls: DeRozen (~28M)

So you're suggesting we give up our starting backcourt & Thad while taking on Wiggins and his bloated contract, not to mention DeRozan. We already know Philly is looking for 4 first round picks for Simmons (never going to happen) but bare minimum they will want two, so what draft capital is left for us?

I couldn't see us moving those three and taking on Wiggins without getting back at least 3 firsts. Philly will obviously not give up any, the bulls first are all claimed till '25, and GS would have to commit theirs to Philly since they are getting Simmons. So in this proposed scenario we are losing 3 starting caliber players, signing away DeRozan, taking on Wiggins contact and getting back exactly the same thing we were getting in the current sign and trade. How does that make sense? Unless you're talking about taking some of the recent picks these teams have made but even then I don't see anyone who would move the needle for us enough to even get us back to where we are with Murray and White.

[Atl Spur]

Klutch is not bigger than the NBA..... get a grip people!

[Mr. Body]

Actually I am. Scott Boras has been known to do whatever it takes to look out for his clients and they prosper no matter how hard he makes it on the teams..it’s just negotiating homie! Don’t make to much out of it, it’s just business. I actually like having diversity in the market place.

And he was shitty for the game. This is 1000x worse.

[Atl Spur]

It’s unethical. For one, Lebron can’t be perceived as having potential leverage over a competitor who is with HIS agency. That’s ridiculous and pathetic it was allowed to exist. Klutch was supposedly bought/consumed by another agency to create distance but in general it’s typical shady conflict of interest too common in not just basketball. I’m not a fan of it, personally.

Ok that’s your beef / angle?

[Atl Spur]

And he was shitty for the game. This is 1000x worse.

NBA Agents
Agent Players
1. Jeff Schwartz 33
2. Rich Paul 27
3. Austin Brown 24
4. Aaron Mintz 20

[Atl Spur]

How’s the other guys on the list?

[CGD]

So you're suggesting we give up our starting backcourt & Thad while taking on Wiggins and his bloated contract, not to mention DeRozan. We already know Philly is looking for 4 first round picks for Simmons (never going to happen) but bare minimum they will want two, so what draft capital is left for us?

I couldn't see us moving those three and taking on Wiggins without getting back at least 3 firsts. Philly will obviously not give up any, the bulls first are all claimed till '25, and GS would have to commit theirs to Philly since they are getting Simmons. So in this proposed scenario we are losing 3 starting caliber players, signing away DeRozan, taking on Wiggins contact and getting back exactly the same thing we were getting in the current sign and trade. How does that make sense? Unless you're talking about taking some of the recent picks these teams have made but even then I don't see anyone who would move the needle for us enough to even get us back to where we are with Murray and White.

Dude, I clearly said that the fighting would be about what assets had to be included to make things work. Clearly you wouldn’t just take Wiggins without assets coming back.

[The Truth #6]

Ok that’s your beef / angle?

That’s just a starter. Why do you see player over empowerment as not a problem? Klutch is one aspect of that. Player over empowerment led to Nephew crippling this franchise. There need to be ethical lanes for an equitable system.

Perhaps Lebron isn’t abusing this power he holds informally. But if he wants his client DJM on the Lakers and orchestrates a drama/crisis where DJM forces his way out, then you see this as business as usual?

[CGD]

was probably mentioned yesterday but...

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I think someone in other thread just said it went final. Still Spurs and Suns could
Works something out on their own.

[Mr. Body]

And??? It’s just business regardless their affiliation.

I hate people who think saying "It's just business!!" is a valid thing. It's the mark of a completely amoral person.

[spurraider21]

I think someone in other thread just said it went final. Still Spurs and Suns could
Works something out on their own.
but are the terms of the final deal known?

[Degoat]

With the Demar news being official, we can’t trade Thad young or Aminu for awhile right?

[Leetonidas]

In other news: The corpse of Udonis Haslem has once again been re-signed by the Heat for his 19th season :lol

[spurraider21]

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[FvckMavs]

With the Demar news being official, we can’t trade Thad young or Aminu for awhile right?

Yes we can. Just can't trade them with another Spurs player.

[Leetonidas]

With the Demar news being official, we can’t trade Thad young or Aminu for awhile right?

iirc, they cannot be combined in a trade for awhile. they can be traded in a one for one i think. newly signed players cannot be traded for awhile either. since they were acquired in a trade Spurs can dump Young to another team by himself. i think

[Trueblood]

Dude, I clearly said that the fighting would be about what assets had to be included to make things work. Clearly you wouldn’t just take Wiggins without assets coming back.

I hear you man, I'm just pointing out that there are no assets. We won't be giving up any draft capital because of what we're losing and Philly won't be giving anything up because they believe they deserve everything and more for Simmons. So that leaves the Bulls (not able to give any 1st rounders until '27 counting the one promised to us for DDR) which leaves GS to cover the additional two picks we would need and the 3-4 picks Philly wants. Not trying to argue, just trying to figure out what assets you're talking about. The only fighting happening here would be us and Philly fighting over GS picks. The only way this works is if between GS's draft capital and recently drafted players the Spurs and Philly agree to split the haul. And that's presuming that GS is literally willing to mortgage their entire future for a forward who won't even dunk on a guard in an elimination game and can't shoot free throws.

[The Truth #6]

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Finally!

[Atl Spur]

I hate people who think saying "It's just business!!" is a valid thing. It's the mark of a completely amoral person.

Yo homie tread lightly. Negotiating is an aspect of business; Jeff Schwartz is ok for you though? I can assure you he does whatever it takes to get results for his clients!

[td4mvp2k]

welp lauri

[BacktoBasics]

Yo homie tread lightly. Negotiating is an aspect of business; Jeff Schwartz is ok for you though? I can assure you he does whatever it takes to get results for his clients!

No ones questioning the concept of doing what’s best for your client. The issue is that their overreach extends into how franchises can build their rosters and providing the league a level playing field. Collusion and manipulation should be dealt with and Silver is seemingly turning a blind eye to that.

Simple checks and balances to keep things fair and competitive.

[Atl Spur]

No ones questioning the concept of doing what’s best for your client. The issue is that their overreach extends into how franchises can build their rosters and providing the league a level playing field. Collusion and manipulation should be dealt with and Silver is seemingly turning a blind eye to that.

Simple checks and balances to keep things fair and competitive.

So Klutch invented collusion and manipulation in this sport? Come on bro..... please stop! This has been going on forever, just different faces. Systematic changes may be necessary but Klutch didn’t create the problem, they’re just benefitting from it.

[DPG21920]

To keep it perfectly 100, it’s about time BLACK representation is at the table in a league thats predominately BLACK! Not a novel concept.....

Honest question: do you feel white players, especially white American players, get discriminated against and overlooked due to bias?

[Atl Spur]

Honest question: do you feel white players, especially white American players, get discriminated against and overlooked due to bias?

Sir, please don’t do this. We both know what you’re doing.

[DPG21920]

Sir, please don’t do this. We both know what you’re doing.

I’m asking a legit question. We have even heard white players discuss this? Why is that not a fair question?

[Atl Spur]

I’m asking a legit question. We have even heard white players discuss this? Why is that not a fair question?

Never said it wasn’t ; just off topic.

[DPG21920]

Never said it wasn’t ; just off topic.

It’s just in line with the the “predominantly black league” comment. Just had me thinking (not that it matters, imo teams want to win and hire the best players and coaches regardless).

[spurs10]

Honest question: do you feel white players, especially white American players, get discriminated against and overlooked due to bias? Hopefully not. I'd hope that all players are judged by their talent. It's hard to imagine owners and GMs, who are overwhelming white, overlooking a player because he's white...or any other color for that matter.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully not. I'd hope that all players are judged by their talent. It's hard to imagine owners and GMs, who are overwhelming white, overlooking a player because he's white...or any other color for that matter.

Agree. That’s why the “predominantly black” league stuff has always struck me as a bit odd. That these multi billion dollar teams who want to win and grow their values would only choose the best players for example regardless of skin color but then short cut their chances to win by not hiring who they thought was best in the front offices.

And how the lack of diversity in front offices is only discussed in terms of black/white usually and not Asian/Hispanic/Women and how you don’t see many white American players or Asian/Hispanic players etc.

But it’s beside the point - just brought it up because of that comment

[spurraider21]

manu ginobili is an atheist

[BacktoBasics]

So Klutch invented collusion and manipulation in this sport? Come on bro..... please stop! This has been going on forever, just different faces. Systematic changes may be necessary but Klutch didn’t create the problem, they’re just benefitting from it.
You look like an idiot when you make these strawman assertions. No one said they invented anything.

Honestly your whole schtick that they’re “benefiting” from a broken system not only contradicts your lame “invented collusion” counter point but also highlights the fact that you’re arguing on behalf of exactly what we’re telling you… and that’s the league has a problem that’s being exploited.

So congratulations. You just defeated yourself with your own words. Next time I want to argue against you I’ll call on you to do it.

[DPG21920]

manu ginobili is an atheist

Not true. He believes in God but hates him.

[spurraider21]

Not true. He believes in God but hates him.
:lol :tu

[spurs10]

Not true. He believes in God but hates him.
For good reason! :lol

[Russ]

Not true. He believes in God but hates him.

No. Manu believes that the God he doesn't believe in is a loving God.

[mo7888]

So you're suggesting we give up our starting backcourt & Thad while taking on Wiggins and his bloated contract, not to mention DeRozan. We already know Philly is looking for 4 first round picks for Simmons (never going to happen) but bare minimum they will want two, so what draft capital is left for us?

I couldn't see us moving those three and taking on Wiggins without getting back at least 3 firsts. Philly will obviously not give up any, the bulls first are all claimed till '25, and GS would have to commit theirs to Philly since they are getting Simmons. So in this proposed scenario we are losing 3 starting caliber players, signing away DeRozan, taking on Wiggins contact and getting back exactly the same thing we were getting in the current sign and trade. How does that make sense? Unless you're talking about taking some of the recent picks these teams have made but even then I don't see anyone who would move the needle for us enough to even get us back to where we are with Murray and White.

It may be moot now that the trade was announced but, he was suggesting Murray or White + Thad....not both..

[Seventyniner]

Yea, he’s kind of like Thybulle, with handles and vision. He did shoot a ridiculous 48% from beyond the arc this year, but it was only 33 games, and 1.5 attempts. He hardly shot any 2s this year, so maybe his role is spot up shooter/Bowen clone? He just turned 23.

I'll defer here because you evidently have actually watched him play, and I haven't. I only looked up his stats.

The Spurs' roster, and especially the backcourt, are already very crowded though. I can see him catching on somewhere but probably not San Antonio.

[Seventyniner]

manu ginobili is an atheist

God is a Manu Ginobilist.

[mo7888]

So the spurs official Twitter just welcomed Thad and Aminu... I've assumed we would wIve Aminu, do we customarily welcome players we are planning to waive? I didn't see an official welcome for Hutchinson..

[Degoat]

So the spurs (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1680) official Twitter just welcomed Thad and Aminu... I've assumed we would wIve Aminu, do we customarily welcome players we are planning to waive? I didn't see an official welcome for Hutchinson..

Sounds like we are keeping them lol

[Dejounte]

So the spurs (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1680) official Twitter just welcomed Thad and Aminu... I've assumed we would wIve Aminu, do we customarily welcome players we are planning to waive? I didn't see an official welcome for Hutchinson..

yeah, was about to ask the same question. It sounds like we are keeping them…

[slick'81]

:lol all the trade speculation for nothing

[Seventyniner]

Sounds like we are keeping them lol

Now that the deal is done the Spurs kind of had to do the welcome thing. The Spurs aren't going to waive either of them at this point, and they have to at least act like they are willing to hold on to both players until and unless a deal can be reached.

Edit: I think the difference with Hutch is that the Spurs will most likely waive him. He has negative trade value and the roster is already crowded. Young has positive trade value and Aminu is useful for salary ballast. I still think one or both could be traded prior to the start of the season.

[spurspl]

So the spurs (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1680) official Twitter just welcomed Thad and Aminu... I've assumed we would wIve Aminu, do we customarily welcome players we are planning to waive? I didn't see an official welcome for Hutchinson..

on facebook too...thats a pity that we gonna keep them. The suns trade made sense for both teams

[mo7888]

on facebook too...thats a pity that we gonna keep them. The suns trade made sense for both teams

If we keep them both then we will need to move someone else besides Hutch to meet the 15 player max..

[Russ]

What the heck is wrong with having Thaddeus Young. He's a good player, a culture guy, etc.

Don't overthink it.

[mo7888]

What the heck is wrong with having Thaddeus Young. He's a good player, a culture guy, etc.

Don't overthink it.

I don't think there's a strong sentiment against keeping Thad for the moment until the right trade materializes, the discussion is about keeping Aminu and taking a roster space from a younger player.

[Degoat]

My problem is Thad young’s value will tank the longer he’s with the spurs, Aminu will without a doubt get minutes over some of the young guys.

[ismael-robert]

Now pop has to give them valuable minutes to raise their trade value n sell them. The system will revolve around getting them buckets to raise stats

[Russ]

Now pop has to give them valuable minutes to raise their trade value n sell them. The system will revolve around getting them buckets to raise stats

Perhaps I'm just not cynical enough, but I really don't think Pop coaches that way.

[exstatic]

With the Demar news being official, we can’t trade Thad young or Aminu for awhile right?

They can be traded individually, but not together, or packaged with other players until 60 days pass from today.

[spurraider21]

What the heck is wrong with having Thaddeus Young. He's a good player, a culture guy, etc.

Don't overthink it.
a CREAM player, if you will

[sananspursfan21]

What the heck is wrong with having Thaddeus Young. He's a good player, a culture guy, etc.

Don't overthink it.

I like having him here. He’s a guy I’ve been wanting the Spurs to get for years. And he’s a low risk, high reward reasonably priced veteran that can be the constant in a still very young team. Obviously he’s expendable for the right trade, but I’ve got no problem watching him come off the bench for 20-25 minutes this season.

[Russ]

a CREAM player, if you will

Yes, and of course the Spurs had their heyday with a bunch of badass problem children.

Although I'm not in the cult enough to understand what the acronym CREAM stands for, I really would love to know. (Seriously.)

[Atl Spur]

After all Rome was built in a day’

[Mr. Body]

Now pop has to give them valuable minutes to raise their trade value n sell them. The system will revolve around getting them buckets to raise stats

Everyone in the whole fucking league knows who these players are.

[Atl Spur]

Yes, and of course the Spurs had their heyday with a bunch of badass problem children.

Although I'm not in the cult enough to understand what the acronym CREAM stands for, I really would love to know. (Seriously.)

Cash rules everything around me.......but spurstalk have their own thing going.

[cjw]

Yes we can. Just can't trade them with another Spurs player.

Basically can only trade them for guys who make up to $19.19 million (or a combination of players, but only if players in that combo aren’t themselves recently traded).

Can aggregate him with another guy too, but both trades have to be done separately and both work under cap rules.

[Atl Spur]

You look like an idiot when you make these strawman assertions. No one said they invented anything.

Honestly your whole schtick that they’re “benefiting” from a broken system not only contradicts your lame “invented collusion” counter point but also highlights the fact that you’re arguing on behalf of exactly what we’re telling you… and that’s the league has a problem that’s being exploited.

So congratulations. You just defeated yourself with your own words. Next time I want to argue against you I’ll call on you to do it.

Sigh......you got it👍🏾 Forgot to add this..🤗🤡

[spurraider21]

Cash rules everything around me.......but spurstalk have their own thing going.
character rules everything around me

[Ocotillo]

The team does need a vet presence this season..................and don't say Forbes.

[CGD]

If we keep them both then we will need to move someone else besides Hutch to meet the 15 player max..

Makes me wonder if there isn’t a small S&T to Portland where Spurs send back Drew and Blazer generate a TE?

The Indy special if you will.

[John B]

I swear if I don’t see any good signing soon, I’m switching to Bucks or Atlanta.

[BillMc]

The team does need a vet presence this season..................and don't say Forbes.

Hutch seems pretty mature. :)

[BillMc]

I swear if I don’t see any good signing soon, I’m switching to Bucks or Atlanta.

What do you think realistically qualifies as a "good signing"?

[Dejounte]

I swear if I don’t see any good signing soon, I’m switching to Bucks or Atlanta.
Bruh typical filipino :lmao go switch

[tonight...you]

I swear if I don’t see any good signing soon, I’m switching to Bucks or Atlanta.
Only slightly dramatic.

Okay talent, let's get our shit together! More heart! More eye contact- you! Looking at the camera is not eye contact! Fooking 'ell...



Okay... deep breath! Drop that post remix and bring it this time!

On 2! I like dancing on the 2's...

[mo7888]

Makes me wonder if there isn’t a small S&T to Portland where Spurs send back Drew and Blazer generate a TE?

The Indy special if you will.

It makes sense..

[Degoat]

so I’m assuming the rotation will probably look like this…..

Jakob/Jock or Drew? Collins when healthy
KJ/Thad
Doug/Devin
White/Lonnie
DJ/Tre

[exstatic]

I swear if I don’t see any good signing soon, I’m switching to Bucks or Atlanta.

How many players do you want? We have like 19-20, and probably 17 have guarantees. I think the signings are done. May be a small trade or two to come, but you may want to look into league pass.

[John B]

Bruh typical filipino :lmao go switch
:lol Dude, I’ve defended my Spurs against Laker fans forever, living here in LA , got booed on Staples jumbotron wearing my Ginobili jersey and even fearing for my life :lol, because this was the best, managed team of ALL professional sports. But boy, it sure doesn’t look like the best managed team right now :bang:pctoss:lol:lol

[dbestpro]

So the question is the team of Cadillac Anderson and Walter Berry better than this team today?

[John B]

So the question is the team of Cadillac Anderson and Walter Berry better than this team today?
Don’t forget Grampa Jones, Paspaj, Wingate :lol

[Dejounte]

:lol Dude, I’ve defended my Spurs against Laker fans forever, living here in LA , got booed on Staples jumbotron wearing my Ginobili jersey and even fearing for my life :lol, because this was the best, managed team of ALL professional sports. But boy, it sure doesn’t look like the best managed team right now :bang:pctoss:lol:lol

well, go back in time and tell your old self that it wasnt worth defending the Spurs against Lakers fans and fearing for your life because you’re going to switch teams anyway. Would save him the trouble.

[Russ]

So the question is the team of Cadillac Anderson and Walter Berry better than this team today?

No. And that's the Truth.

[slick'81]

No. And that's the Truth.

yea,this team isnt pre robinson bad

[duncan2150]

The 2022 secound round that the spurs receive is the most favorable between Detroit/L.A Lakers/Chicago ?

[Atl Spur]

well, go back in time and tell your old self that it wasnt worth defending the Spurs against Lakers fans and fearing for your life because you’re going to switch teams anyway. Would save him the trouble.

Hell naw!!!��������

[XDT76]

on facebook too...thats a pity that we gonna keep them. The suns trade made sense for both teams

The only issue with trading Thad for Saric and Smith is that, our over limit roster will be even over crowd and we would need to get rid of more players. Can't see them waiving 3 players.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs officially announced signing of Zollins

[Cabrito]

Don’t forget Grampa Jones, Paspaj, Wingate :lol

actually, that was a pretty damn good team, Robinson’s rookie year.

[CGD]

Spurs officially announced signing of Zollins

Dang, here I was hoping they’d send us a 1st along with Zollins for Thad.

[CGD]

The only issue with trading Thad for Saric and Smith is that, our over limit roster will be even over crowd and we would need to get rid of more players. Can't see them waiving 3 players.

It’s not just that. Saric is not an expiring. He has a year after this one, and will likely be out hurt this entire year. We’d need more than a meh Jalen to take him back.

[BackHome]

So the question is the team of Cadillac Anderson and Walter Berry better than this team today?

That Would Be Yes

[John B]

So the question is the team of Cadillac Anderson and Walter Berry better than this team today?
Well that team won 28 games and bad enough to get the 1st overall pick (Drob), followed by 4th (Anderson) and 3rd (Elliot). There’s still hope that we could get those high picks if they tank the right away. Just don’t spend it on another teen-ager.

[The Truth #6]

No. And that's the Truth.

Yes?

[pad300]

Well that team won 28 games and bad enough to get the 1st overall pick (Drob), followed by 4th (Anderson) and 3rd (Elliot). There’s still hope that we could get those high picks if they tank the right away. Just don’t spend it on another teen-ager.

Spend it on the right teen-ager.

FIFY

[Atl Spur]

Tick tock

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:lol Dude, I’ve defended my Spurs against Laker fans forever, living here in LA , got booed on Staples jumbotron wearing my Ginobili jersey and even fearing for my life :lol, because this was the best, managed team of ALL professional sports. But boy, it sure doesn’t look like the best managed team right now :bang:pctoss:lol:lol

Wait, so you don't support the team - you support whichever front office makes shrewd personnel decisions?

Never saw anyone wearing a RC Buford jersey while the Spurs were winning championships.

[ismael-robert]

Everyone in the whole fucking league knows who these players are.

(Eye roll) yes they kno them based off previous stats...everyone here says AFA is washed up...so how does pop change that narrative to raise his and to a lesser extent Young's value...by showcasing them same way he did for Gay n Mills...again being nice guys n doing right by players while hopefully netting better assets...and if they're not concerned with playoffs it helps the tank which is why they over utilize forbes...come on get with it people

[John B]

Wait, so you don't support the team - you support whichever front office makes shrewd personnel decisions?

Never saw anyone wearing a RC Buford jersey while the Spurs were winning championships.

I don’t know your point, but I like the Spurs entire organization and the players. But lately my faith in PATFO has been shaken.

[mo7888]

Looking at Spurs Twitter today it seems the Ben Simmons acquisition is still a hot topic....it won't die...

[J_Paco]

Any word on Keita Bates-Diop? I'm hoping they can figure out a way to keep him around.

He has some solid defensive tools and could still be useful if his offense improves.

[Sugus]

I don’t know your point, but I like the Spurs entire organization and the players. But lately my faith in PATFO has been shaken.

His point is that the way you worded your support was extremely fair-weather-fan-like. Saying you supported the Spurs "against all odds" because they were "the best, managed team of ALL professional sports", but now that they're going through a rebuilding & turbulent stage, you're questioning your allegiance to the team.

Not that I care, you can be a fan of whatever you like for whatever reasons - but he made a pretty solid point, tbh.

[Sugus]

Looking at Spurs Twitter today it seems the Ben Simmons acquisition is still a hot topic....it won't die...

I'm extremely confident we're not getting him, just like I was extremely confident that DDR was off the team after the play-in game. Spurs don't have the main asset Philly wants (young All-Star or star-to-be; closest thing we have is Keldon, and after his Olympic Gold with Pop at the helm, he's about as untouchable as you can get within the current situation), nor are in a win-now position where they'd be willing to part with the 3-4 FRPs the 76ers are asking for Benny.

Not to mention all the moves the Spurs have made, have the team pretty loaded on bigs. Given any team getting Simmons will probably try the oh-so-obvious point-forward position with him, I don't really see him fitting on the Spurs roster (well, that, and his diva behavior being completely antiethical to Spurs' culture, location and media market). I'm not nervous at all about these agent-spun rumors.

[Mr. Body]

Looking at Spurs Twitter today it seems the Ben Simmons acquisition is still a hot topic....it won't die...

This is his agency trying to generate a market for him.

[Excessive Egotist]

After a little reflection, you're correct about Porzingis/Poeltl. It's an obvious consideration I should have caught.

One reason I'm fond of the Cam Reddish rumors is he can guard 1-4, and some small ball 5s. He's a dumpster fire on offense, but would give the Spurs a lot of interesting defensive options and a lot of defensive continuity between various 5-man configs in between the 1st quarter 6:00 mark and the 4th quarter 6:00 mark. I'd give the Spurs even odds of making him into enough of three point shooter that he'd have trade value at the '23 deadline.

Am I saying I'd prefer Cam Reddish (at his salary) than Porzingis (at his salary)? I think so. Don't hate.

[John B]

His point is that the way you worded your support was extremely fair-weather-fan-like. Saying you supported the Spurs "against all odds" because they were "the best, managed team of ALL professional sports", but now that they're going through a rebuilding & turbulent stage, you're questioning your allegiance to the team.

Not that I care, you can be a fan of whatever you like for whatever reasons - but he made a pretty solid point, tbh.

There’s a big emphasis on “well-managed.” It’s not like I’m a bandwagon fan. I’ve been supporting the Spurs since DRob rookie year. But that “well-managed” team seems to be making questionable decisions lately.

Still, I’m warming up on the idea that Primo could be a potential top 5 caliber at next year’s draft, pair him with another top pick next year. If that pans out, PATFO has done it again! :lol

It’s that bigger picture that regular fans like me have problems seeing sometimes :lol

[Excessive Egotist]

I'm extremely confident we're not getting him, just like I was extremely confident that DDR was off the team after the play-in game. Spurs don't have the main asset Philly wants (young All-Star or star-to-be; closest thing we have is Keldon, and after his Olympic Gold with Pop at the helm, he's about as untouchable as you can get within the current situation), nor are in a win-now position where they'd be willing to part with the 3-4 FRPs the 76ers are asking for Benny.

Not to mention all the moves the Spurs have made, have the team pretty loaded on bigs. Given any team getting Simmons will probably try the oh-so-obvious point-forward position with him, I don't really see him fitting on the Spurs roster (well, that, and his diva behavior being completely antiethical to Spurs' culture, location and media market). I'm not nervous at all about these agent-spun rumors.

If we moved for Simmons---don't think Spurs will overpay for him---a three team trade seems more likely. Simmons would be our center. To my mind, we'd have to move poeltl to a third team who sent a player to Philly. The too easy/kind of lazy idea that comes to mind is like Poeltl, Young, and Aminu to Golden State (Aminu buy out), Wiggins and a GS first to Philly, two San Antonio firsts and Tre Jones to Philly. Simmons becomes our starting center. We keep the youngsters.

[Sugus]

There’s a big emphasis on “well-managed.” It’s not like I’m a bandwagon fan. I’ve been supporting the Spurs since DRob rookie year. But that “well-managed” team seems to be making questionable decisions lately.

Still, I’m warming up on the idea that Primo could be a potential top 5 caliber at next year’s draft, pair him with another top pick next year. If that pans out, PATFO has done it again! :lol

It’s that bigger picture that regular fans like me have problems seeing sometimes :lol

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but (don't shoot the messenger!) the original comment you meant implied that your allegiance to the Spurs rested on how well-ran they were, hence the other posters' comment about being fair-weather.

I definitely think the next few years will be a trying time for the Spurs... We'll see what comes out the other side. I don't think this off-season has been nearly as negative as some paint it to be, but also understand the skepticism. Above all though, I want to see the team play... So many of our questions can/will be answered within the first 10 games or so, tbh.

[ducks]

This is his agency trying to generate a market for him.

Simmons is not going to be traded for Damon

[BatManu20]

Simmons will not be a Spur and I don’t want him or his broke jumper anyways. Dude’s a loser with a shit attitude tbh. The complete opposite of a Spurs-type player.

Still think Portland is Philly’s best bet.

[Sugus]

If we moved for Simmons---don't think Spurs will overpay for him---a three team trade seems more likely. Simmons would be our center. To my mind, we'd have to move poeltl to a third team who sent a player to Philly. The too easy/kind of lazy idea that comes to mind is like Poeltl, Young, and Aminu to Golden State (Aminu buy out), Wiggins and a GS first to Philly, two San Antonio firsts and Tre Jones to Philly. Simmons becomes our starting center. We keep the youngsters.

No way this happens for multiple reasons.

First is the most obvious - Simmons doesn't want to play as a C at all (hell, he doesn't even wanna play PF for that matter), and certainly won't take well to being traded and forced to bang with opposing centers all night long. That's a recipe for disaster, especially given Simmons' clear character concerns. Second - is Simmons at C really such an upgrade over Poeltl for the Spurs? Of course, the surface-level answer is "YES, absolutely!", but look closer - Simmons is as fatally flawed as Jakob shooting-wise, provides only marginally better defense than Jakob does (probably worse defense against Cs, which you don't really want out of your starting C), does provide the much better passing and transition game, and marginally better scoring (which as seen, you can't rely on). And on the other hand, he's owed something like $40M per year, for the next 4 seasons, compared to Jakob's measly $9M. Not enough of an upgrade in clear areas to justify such a big salary jump, IMO, especially when he'd be by and large the highest paid player on the Spurs.

Those are the big reasons, and also the ones I previously mentioned (Simmons' diva attitude probably turning off the Spurs' FO especially after Nephew fiasco, Spurs' uncertain future making the FO unwilling to part with future picks, especially the amount required to land BS, etc). I think the Spurs butting in as a third team to facilitate a Simmons trade isn't out of the table, but I definitely don't think we'd be getting Simmons in that deal, more like a pick and a bad salary from the team getting BS.

[spurraider21]

Simmons will not be a Spur and I don’t want him or his broke jumper anyways. Dude’s a loser with a shit attitude tbh. The complete opposite of a Spurs-type player.

Still think Portland is Philly’s best bet.
have you not followed the team since duncan retired?

[Rocalcio]

So the question is the team of Cadillac Anderson and Walter Berry better than this team today?

I hated that time…

[tbdog]

No way this happens for multiple reasons.

First is the most obvious - Simmons doesn't want to play as a C at all (hell, he doesn't even wanna play PF for that matter), and certainly won't take well to being traded and forced to bang with opposing centers all night long. That's a recipe for disaster, especially given Simmons' clear character concerns. Second - is Simmons at C really such an upgrade over Poeltl for the Spurs? Of course, the surface-level answer is "YES, absolutely!", but look closer - Simmons is as fatally flawed as Jakob shooting-wise, provides only marginally better defense than Jakob does (probably worse defense against Cs, which you don't really want out of your starting C), does provide the much better passing and transition game, and marginally better scoring (which as seen, you can't rely on). And on the other hand, he's owed something like $40M per year, for the next 4 seasons, compared to Jakob's measly $9M. Not enough of an upgrade in clear areas to justify such a big salary jump, IMO, especially when he'd be by and large the highest paid player on the Spurs.

Those are the big reasons, and also the ones I previously mentioned (Simmons' diva attitude probably turning off the Spurs' FO especially after Nephew fiasco, Spurs' uncertain future making the FO unwilling to part with future picks, especially the amount required to land BS, etc). I think the Spurs butting in as a third team to facilitate a Simmons trade isn't out of the table, but I definitely don't think we'd be getting Simmons in that deal, more like a pick and a bad salary from the team getting BS.

Simmons is the perfect defensive center in today's league. He an switch on anyone. He is a damn good defender. It's not a slight upgrade over Poeltl at defending. It's much better. Yeah Poeltl could guard Jokic or Embid better. But the difference is that both those offensive players will burn both Simmons or Poeltl if you guard them one on one.

[Sugus]

Simmons is the perfect defensive center in today's league. He an switch on anyone. He is a damn good defender. It's not a slight upgrade over Poeltl at defending. It's much better. Yeah Poeltl could guard Jokic or Embid better. But the difference is that both those offensive players will burn both Simmons or Poeltl if you guard them one on one.

It's not about what Simmons could do as a C, it's about what he wants to do on the court. This isn't a Magic Johnson, "I'll do anything it takes to win, even play C in the Finals, fuck it" kinda player. Not even an Anthony Davis, "I'll play up a position to save my body from banging against Cs during the season, but get down to the grind in the POs" kinda player. This is a "I'm scared to shoot and miss and embarrass myself, so to the detriment of the entire team, I simply refuse to shoot any kind of jumpers" kinda player. With a diva complex to boot.

In theory I agree, especially in the modern NBA, Simmons can be a GREAT rolling C - setting mean screens, agile enough to be switched onto literally anyone in the perimeter and stand his ground, whilst being strong enough to defend most players not named Embiid or Jokic. Perfectly versatile. But it's not about that when you're talking Ben Simmons, is it? How many years now have Sixers fans been deluding themselves over what Simmons could be if he oh-so-easily started shooting 3's (any kind of jumper for that matter), instead of failing his team year after year, then posting the predictable "Working on my game" empty gym draining 3's clip to social media (he's already posted this off-season's btw)?

With a player like Simmons, you never look at what can be. You look at what is. And what he is, is a stubborn "PG" with a diva attitude and no game to back that attitude up, being run off town by his own fanbase yet thinking he's clouted enough to demand to be traded to this or that team (all big markets, btw).

I'll stick to Purtle and pray he sinks his FTs, tbqh.

[SAGirl]

Scouting for Austin maybe?

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[KobesAchilles]

There’s a big emphasis on “well-managed.” It’s not like I’m a bandwagon fan. I’ve been supporting the Spurs since DRob rookie year. But that “well-managed” team seems to be making questionable decisions lately.

Still, I’m warming up on the idea that Primo could be a potential top 5 caliber at next year’s draft, pair him with another top pick next year. If that pans out, PATFO has done it again! :lol

It’s that bigger picture that regular fans like me have problems seeing sometimes :lol
D-Robs teams were almost never well managed. So that’s a bad point in itself. But notice how people will say that if you want your team to be well managed then you’re not a real fan :lol

Like if you don’t agree with every single bad move our team makes then you’re not a fan. No it just means I want them to be good and shitty moves don’t make my team good. Jak is our center. That’s bad. We signed a back up Center who won’t play this year. And we re-signed Bryn Forbes. That’s bad management and not wanting this doesn’t make you fair weather.

Simmons is bad for us as currently made up? Hmm idk about that. Like if we had Simmons as a C, Young as a PF, KJ as a SF, Lonnie as our SG and White as our PG. that’s a team that can space the floor and allow Simmons to really work. plus we would be a top defensive team.

That being said Ben “I felt the guy behind me” Simmons probably isn’t our answer and I don’t want him on our team. But that’s more for personality than bc of his game. Tbh nobody is going to offer shit for Simmons so you might as well wait it out and get a pick in return for him. It would be amazingly bad GMing to make a move for him now. Let Klutch keep releasing shit how he doesn’t want any part of Philly and will refuse to play. Get Morey desperate. But still no Ben Simmons please

[mo7888]

Scouting for Austin maybe?

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Hmmmm...

[tonight...you]

D-Robs teams were almost never well managed. So that’s a bad point in itself. But notice how people will say that if you want your team to be well managed then you’re not a real fan :lol

Like if you don’t agree with every single bad move our team makes then you’re not a fan. No it just means I want them to be good and shitty moves don’t make my team good. Jak is our center. That’s bad. We signed a back up Center who won’t play this year. And we re-signed Bryn Forbes. That’s bad management and not wanting this doesn’t make you fair weather.

Simmons is bad for us as currently made up? Hmm idk about that. Like if we had Simmons as a C, Young as a PF, KJ as a SF, Lonnie as our SG and White as our PG. that’s a team that can space the floor and allow Simmons to really work. plus we would be a top defensive team.

That being said Ben “I felt the guy behind me” Simmons probably isn’t our answer and I don’t want him on our team. But that’s more for personality than bc of his game. Tbh nobody is going to offer shit for Simmons so you might as well wait it out and get a pick in return for him. It would be amazingly bad GMing to make a move for him now. Let Klutch keep releasing shit how he doesn’t want any part of Philly and will refuse to play. Get Morey desperate. But still no Ben Simmons please
Like Sugus said: Simmons ain't playing no C.
So I agree with you. No Ben Simmons. He'll want out before he even gets in.

[tbdog]

It doesn't matter. Greek freak played the 5 after game 2 of the finals. Simmons would too if he goes on a deep playoff run.

[XDT76]

It doesn't matter. Greek freak played the 5 after game 2 of the finals. Simmons would too if he goes on a deep playoff run.

So where would he play during RS and 1st 2 rounds? End of bench?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/status/1425910207549411331

[SAGirl]

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Thanks for sharing. I am not subscribed to the Athletic. I assume that article assumes no extension for Lonnie. Likely hitting RFA next season in a situation similar to Laurie Markkanen right?

[Russ]

Scouting for Austin maybe?

1425946028671344643

There are only two games going on at the SL at any given moment and any scout trying to justify his hotel room in Vegas will be at one of them -- it's 50/50.

[tbdog]

So where would he play during RS and 1st 2 rounds? End of bench?

Well just like the Bucks, they started Lopez as much as they could.

[tapiefan]

It's not about what Simmons could do as a C, it's about what he wants to do on the court. This isn't a Magic Johnson, "I'll do anything it takes to win, even play C in the Finals, fuck it" kinda player. Not even an Anthony Davis, "I'll play up a position to save my body from banging against Cs during the season, but get down to the grind in the POs" kinda player. This is a "I'm scared to shoot and miss and embarrass myself, so to the detriment of the entire team, I simply refuse to shoot any kind of jumpers" kinda player. With a diva complex to boot.

In theory I agree, especially in the modern NBA, Simmons can be a GREAT rolling C - setting mean screens, agile enough to be switched onto literally anyone in the perimeter and stand his ground, whilst being strong enough to defend most players not named Embiid or Jokic. Perfectly versatile. But it's not about that when you're talking Ben Simmons, is it? How many years now have Sixers fans been deluding themselves over what Simmons could be if he oh-so-easily started shooting 3's (any kind of jumper for that matter), instead of failing his team year after year, then posting the predictable "Working on my game" empty gym draining 3's clip to social media (he's already posted this off-season's btw)?


Replace Sixers by Spurs and Simmons by De Rozan and it still works. Please PATFO, just stay away from Ben fucking Simmons.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/status/1425910207549411331

He’s not wrong. Assuming they give Lonnie the QO, looks like they have over 20M next summer too. Could be more if they waive a few guys.

[ragas]

The path the Spurs are taking seems pretty clear for me. They're going young and for a rebuild. Considering this Brian Wright did well in the offseason so far. Every player he's signed can be converted into picks at the trade deadline or in the offseason. Expect Young, McDermott, Forbes to be moved to contenders. Poeltl and White are also candidates for a trade.

[The Truth #6]

I think Young is the only one they move. McD is already in photos as a Spur. Seems like part of the “family”. But we’ll see.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The path the Spurs are taking seems pretty clear for me. They're going young and for a rebuild. Considering this Brian Wright did well in the offseason so far. Every player he's signed can be converted into picks at the trade deadline or in the offseason. Expect Young, McDermott, Forbes to be moved to contenders. Poeltl and White are also candidates for a trade.

If this comes to pass I will have huge respect for both PATFO for their masterful strategy and you for your keen insight. It would go against their long time methodology and I think you are wrong. I think Young gets moved, but McD and Forbes, nah. But hears hoping.

[John B]

The path the Spurs are taking seems pretty clear for me. They're going young and for a rebuild. Considering this Brian Wright did well in the offseason so far. Every player he's signed can be converted into picks at the trade deadline or in the offseason. Expect Young, McDermott, Forbes to be moved to contenders. Poeltl and White are also candidates for a trade.

I like your take. Opening some more cap space for 2022, while developing our young players, including a potential top 5 pick at Primo, and maybe a high pick next year.

[Mr. Body]

McDermott is not going anywhere. It's terrible practice to sign a FA only to flip him.

[mo7888]

I don't think McDermott is going anywhere. To me, his signing was more about getting better spacing for the young guys to work in so we can develop and evaluate them. If we've finished that process at the deadline then maybe we move him but I expect it to be an all season process at least.

[CGD]

McDermott is not going anywhere. It's terrible practice to sign a FA only to flip him.

I don’t think so necessarily. I could see the player and team setting this understanding from the beginning. “We’ll pay you and get you to a winning situation if our rebuild plans stall.”

That’s essentially what OKC is doing with its vets.

[John B]

I don’t think so necessarily. I could see the player and team setting this understanding from the beginning. “We’ll pay you and get you to a winning situation if our rebuild plans stall.”

That’s essentially what OKC is doing with its vets.

I agree. For now this is an NBA team that needs to score to show some competitivenesd, and McDermont is a scorer. But everybody IS expendable, depending on who is on the other side of the table, maybe with the exception of Keldon, Primo (for now). Everybody’s on a nice movable contract. No Superstars to build around, yet. Spurs are developing players, collecting assets, while waiting for good opportunities, and saving up for 2022.

[cd98]

He’s not wrong. Assuming they give Lonnie the QO, looks like they have over 20M next summer too. Could be more if they waive a few guys.

Yes but they should have done that last month.

[Russ]

I think Young is the only one they move. McD is already in photos as a Spur. Seems like part of the “family”. But we’ll see.

The Spurs affirmatively sought McDermott out. Young was just one of a limited number of possible options coming back in a trade they had to make.

It's pretty obvious which is more likely to go (but I hope they keep them both).

[Drom John]

Scouting for Austin maybe?

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From my experience, every Summer League game had representatives from about 50 teams, NBA & foreign. If a team only had one scout, then that scout would be in either Thomas & Mack or Cox, often watching half of one game, then crossing over to the other.

[CGD]

Yes but they should have done that last month.

Sure, but to be fair this was a craptacular free agent class. We can’t ignore that. Hopefully next year has better talent at the top.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/status/1425910207549411331

This goes against the expert SpursTalk opinion that the offseason has been an unmitigated disaster, we suck and will suck eternally and everyone involved is dumber than a toddler (making them still slightly smarter than the average SpursTalk poster, but that's a low bar anyway).

The only possibly grievous mistake was not drafting Sengun, but we'll see. Primo could be great. The rest shows a clear direction going forward.

[John B]

This goes against the expert SpursTalk opinion that the offseason has been an unmitigated disaster, we suck and will suck eternally and everyone involved is dumber than a toddler (making them still slightly smarter than the average SpursTalk poster, but that's a low bar anyway).

The only possibly grievous mistake was not drafting Sengun, but we'll see. Primo could be great. The rest shows a clear direction going forward.

I’m one with being disappointed with Primo’s pick. But I think they’ve scouted him with the highest ceiling, and fits the time frame. We’ve all been spoiled after 22 years of competitive Spurs. Rebuilding sucks. But the smoke seems to be parting and I’m starting to see the plan. Still, it should be fun watching the youngsters run and play hard. It would be like Summer camp the whole season for these guys, proving who will stay and who gets the ax :lol

[HankChinaski]

He’s not wrong. Assuming they give Lonnie the QO, looks like they have over 20M next summer too. Could be more if they waive a few guys.

I forget which other poster was discussing this but this is where my thoughts were with this off season.

Nothing to go shouting on into the streets about. But plenty of flexibility going into next off season to stretch out 20 to 30 mil in cap space in free agency and another potential lottery pick not a bad stance to be sitting in for the F.O.

The sour grapes of this off season is the Z Collins and Forbes signings.

My hope is the Collins is only guaranteed one year and partial it non guaranteed after the first year. Forbes signing well I just hope it is just a one year and considering the roster construction and injury history of white having him for roster depth to relegate LOAD management makes a little sense.

Overall, I'm excited to watch a team that doesn't have DeRozen or Gay taking up FGA and get to watch a younger collective of players at the reins.

It just won't be pretty a large portion of the time.
Still I look forward to preseason and training camp it is just under 60 days away.

[Atl Spur]

I don’t think we’re done in free agency.

[PrimeMinister]

I forget which other poster was discussing this but this is where my thoughts were with this off season.

Nothing to go shouting on into the streets about. But plenty of flexibility going into next off season to stretch out 20 to 30 mil in cap space in free agency and another potential lottery pick not a bad stance to be sitting in for the F.O.

The sour grapes of this off season is the Z Collins and Forbes signings.

My hope is the Collins is only guaranteed one year and partial it non guaranteed after the first year. Forbes signing well I just hope it is just a one year and considering the roster construction and injury history of white having him for roster depth to relegate LOAD management makes a little sense.

Overall, I'm excited to watch a team that doesn't have DeRozen or Gay taking up FGA and get to watch a younger collective of players at the reins.

It just won't be pretty a large portion of the time.
Still I look forward to preseason and training camp it is just under 60 days away.

details of the collins contract have been public since yesterday- it was never going to be fully guaranteed and I never understood the posters acting as if it would be

[td4mvp2k]

I don’t think we’re done in free agency.
lauri still a FA

[mo7888]

I don’t think we’re done in free agency.

So what do you think we're looking at?

[BacktoBasics]

McDermott is not going anywhere. It's terrible practice to sign a FA only to flip him.

This. It’s never been the Spurs way to bring someone in only to disrespect his signing by flipping him.

[timvp]

I'm trying to figure out what the hold up is on the Spurs announcing the deals for Forbes and Landale. There must be some scenarios on the table that the Spurs want to explore using whatever salary cap space they have left before they lock in their roster. From my calculations, they have ~$1.5 million in salary cap space. If they waive Eubanks (they have until Aug. 18 to waive him, it looks like), that gets closer to $3 million. They could possibly try to buyout and/or stretch the contracts for Hutchinson and Aminu to get a little higher.

It makes sense to explore all avenues before signing Forbes and Landale so it'll be interesting to see how long this takes. I doubt the Spurs are trying to sign someone else with the salary cap space they have or can create ... but I assume there are trades available that would become impossible once Forbes and Landale are locked in.

[Seventyniner]

I'm trying to figure out what the hold up is on the Spurs announcing the deals for Forbes and Landale. There must be some scenarios on the table that the Spurs want to explore using whatever salary cap space they have left before they lock in their roster. From my calculations, they have ~$1.5 million in salary cap space. If they waive Eubanks (they have until Aug. 18 to waive him, it looks like), that gets closer to $3 million. They could possibly try to buyout and/or stretch the contracts for Hutchinson and Aminu to get a little higher.

It makes sense to explore all avenues before signing Forbes and Landale so it'll be interesting to see how long this takes. I doubt the Spurs are trying to sign someone else with the salary cap space they have or can create ... but I assume there are trades available that would become impossible once Forbes and Landale are locked in.

The best avenue to explore before signing Forbes is pulling a Marcus Morris on him and telling him to go away.

[ducks]

McDermott is not going anywhere. It's terrible practice to sign a FA only to flip him.

Yes it would be politically bad to do that
Mr politically correct person

[The Truth #6]

The Spurs affirmatively sought McDermott out. Young was just one of a limited number of possible options coming back in a trade they had to make.

It's pretty obvious which is more likely to go (but I hope they keep them both).

Right. Doesn’t sound like we’re disagreeing.

[rankingtear]

I'm trying to figure out what the hold up is on the Spurs announcing the deals for Forbes and Landale. There must be some scenarios on the table that the Spurs want to explore using whatever salary cap space they have left before they lock in their roster. From my calculations, they have ~$1.5 million in salary cap space. If they waive Eubanks (they have until Aug. 18 to waive him, it looks like), that gets closer to $3 million. They could possibly try to buyout and/or stretch the contracts for Hutchinson and Aminu to get a little higher.

It makes sense to explore all avenues before signing Forbes and Landale so it'll be interesting to see how long this takes. I doubt the Spurs are trying to sign someone else with the salary cap space they have or can create ... but I assume there are trades available that would become impossible once Forbes and Landale are locked in.

KBD still fishing for a better contract?

[Mr. Body]

I'm trying to figure out what the hold up is on the Spurs announcing the deals for Forbes and Landale. There must be some scenarios on the table that the Spurs want to explore using whatever salary cap space they have left before they lock in their roster. From my calculations, they have ~$1.5 million in salary cap space. If they waive Eubanks (they have until Aug. 18 to waive him, it looks like), that gets closer to $3 million. They could possibly try to buyout and/or stretch the contracts for Hutchinson and Aminu to get a little higher.

It makes sense to explore all avenues before signing Forbes and Landale so it'll be interesting to see how long this takes. I doubt the Spurs are trying to sign someone else with the salary cap space they have or can create ... but I assume there are trades available that would become impossible once Forbes and Landale are locked in.

Landale may be on some R&R and they'll sign him when he gets to the states.

Forbes may be touring around Wisconsin with the LOB still.

[cjw]

Landale may be on some R&R and they'll sign him when he gets to the states.

Forbes may be touring around Wisconsin with the LOB still.

Didn’t Giannis hijack it to Greece? Such awesome pictures with it

[Mr. Body]

Didn’t Giannis hijack it to Greece? Such awesome pictures with it

Oh God maybe that's why Forbes is missing. He thought he lost it.

[Chinook]

I'm trying to figure out what the hold up is on the Spurs announcing the deals for Forbes and Landale. There must be some scenarios on the table that the Spurs want to explore using whatever salary cap space they have left before they lock in their roster. From my calculations, they have ~$1.5 million in salary cap space. If they waive Eubanks (they have until Aug. 18 to waive him, it looks like), that gets closer to $3 million. They could possibly try to buyout and/or stretch the contracts for Hutchinson and Aminu to get a little higher.

It makes sense to explore all avenues before signing Forbes and Landale so it'll be interesting to see how long this takes. I doubt the Spurs are trying to sign someone else with the salary cap space they have or can create ... but I assume there are trades available that would become impossible once Forbes and Landale are locked in.

There's one more possibility that you and the other folks who commented aren't considering. The Spurs would be a 18 roster spots if they were to sign Landale and Forbes (I'm assuming Wieskamp doesn't yet count, but if they tendered him, he might). That would mean in any trade back, they'd only be able to take back a net of two players or fewer in any deals. While it should be no big deal for SA to waive some guys they'll have to move anyway to make a trade work, it's also possible they're open to keeping the best 15 or want to be able to wait out a Simmons deal and don't want to waive, say AFA, at this time. The Spurs potentially have a Thad trade and a Murray/White trade on the table. Both of those deals could require SA to take back multiple players. Saving two roster spots for now gives them more flexibility that regard too, not just money.

Though if your $1.5-Million estimate is correct (I didn't have SA having that much from my Capulator spit-balling), then it's possible they are working out a long-term deal with Wieskamp and/or KBD,

[Seventyniner]

Oh God maybe that's why Forbes is missing. He thought he lost it.

Maybe he did lose it and begged for a contract with the Spurs so he can steal one of the 5 from the trophy case. He probably knows where all the keys are.

Damn, I want to see a Game of Zones type movie for this, where Pop covers for Forbes saying "here Bryn, come sign a contract with us and while you're here I'll let you take one of our trophies, 4 is enough after all."

[CGD]

^ remind me what the definitive answer is on combining acquired players in subsequent trade? In other words, when can they package Aminu/Hutch?

Aside from Simmons play, another way to shed 2 players:

- Wiggins+player+asset
- Aminu-hutch-Eubanks-White

[Mr. Body]

Maybe he did lose it and begged for a contract with the Spurs so he can steal one of the 5 from the trophy case. He probably knows where all the keys are.

Damn, I want to see a Game of Zones type movie for this, where Pop covers for Forbes saying "here Bryn, come sign a contract with us and while you're here I'll let you take one of our trophies, 4 is enough after all."

It's like National Treasure but it's The Larry O'Brien Trophy.

[Chinook]

^ remind me what the definitive answer is on combining acquired players in subsequent trade? In other words, when can they package Aminu/Hutch?

Aside from Simmons play, another way to shed 2 players:

- Wiggins+player+asset
- Aminu-hutch-Eubanks-White

They're both eligible to be combined immediately. SA is still under the cap.

[CGD]

They're both eligible to be combined immediately. SA is still under the cap.

Thanks.

As an aside, in looking for more Wiggins type deals where Spurs may facilitate long term cap relief, it’s pretty amazing that there are fewer and fewer shitty contracts out there. I mean they’re still out there (Love, Hortford, Adam etc), but seems like less than just 5 years ago.

[tbdog]

I'm not sure spurs are wanting to take on money with the cap space they have opened up for next off season.

[TD 21]

I've yet to hear the Simmons to Spurs hypothetical that makes sense for the 76ers. Even in a three team trade, unless the Spurs blew their load draft capital/protection wise, there's no reason to think whatever iteration they could offer would get the 76ers more than Simmons could.

On the other hand, timing could align for the Spurs. His side is applying pressure to get this done and despite what the organization intimates, history tells us these things usually get expedited at that point.

That means it's unlikely to match the Beal and maybe even Lillard timeline and the other rumored interested teams (Pacers, Timberwolves, Kings, Raptors) either don't have or are unlikely to offer ideal packages either.



Thanks.

As an aside, in looking for more Wiggins type deals where Spurs may facilitate long term cap relief, it’s pretty amazing that there are fewer and fewer shitty contracts out there. I mean they’re still out there (Love, Hortford, Adam etc), but seems like less than just 5 years ago.

Because the '16-'17 cap spike contracts have expired.

[Chinook]

Yeah. The Spurs should absolutely come correct with their best Simmons offer and then just be okay with being outbid if it comes to that. Unlike a lot of STers, I think the Spurs should put a high price on acquiring him. But I also think they need to leave themselves a means to turn his acquisition into a contending push if they get him. If the only way they can get him requires hamstringing themselves, then they can afford to be patient. Not that it's the same thing, but they should be a team well positioned to make a run at say Aaron Gordon next summer. There aren't many stars, but there is a lot of role-playing talent available. That could help the Spurs replenish their roster in the event of other trades

[Seventyniner]

I'm not sure spurs are wanting to take on money with the cap space they have opened up for next off season.

I don't get the feeling that cap space specifically next summer is a big deal. I think the Spurs are just trying to stay flexible. I would totally be willing to take on the Wiggins contract if enough assets are included and plan around another big free agency run in 2023.

[TD 21]

Yeah. The Spurs should absolutely come correct with their best Simmons offer and then just be okay with being outbid if it comes to that. Unlike a lot of STers, I think the Spurs should put a high price on acquiring him. But I also think they need to leave themselves a means to turn his acquisition into a contending push if they get him. If the only way they can get him requires hamstringing themselves, then they can afford to be patient. Not that it's the same thing, but they should be a team well positioned to make a run at say Aaron Gordon next summer. There aren't many stars, but there is a lot of role-playing talent available. That could help the Spurs replenish their roster in the event of other trades

Okay, but what is it? Pieces like Murray and Poeltl make no sense for the 76ers (or the Warriors, if you're thinking of them as a third team, nor do their assets make sense for the 76ers).

I actually lean towards they should put a high price on him too. Non glamour markets don't get to choose their superstars/stars and this one doesn't want to tank for it, so this has to be tempting: Signed for 4 years, international (though Americanized), fits their supposed defense and ball movement ethos and if ever he could be humbled and gotten through to, it'd be now.

Agreed, which is why I suspect White and Johnson would be off limits. That would obviously increase the amount of draft capital needed though.

[mo7888]

I'd think our best offer for Simmons would be something like DJ, LW, Thad, Poeltl, our 22 1st and the Chicago 1st... not necessarily all going to Philly...some could go elsewhere to bring in other assets that fit them better..

[Chinook]

Okay, but what is it? Pieces like Murray and Poeltl make no sense for the 76ers (or the Warriors, if you're thinking of them as a third team, nor do their assets make sense for the 76ers).

I actually lean towards they should put a high price on him too. Non glamour markets don't get to choose their superstars/stars and this one doesn't want to tank for it, so this has to be tempting: Signed for 4 years, international (though Americanized), fits their supposed defense and ball movement ethos and if ever he could be humbled and gotten through to, it'd be now.

Agreed, which is why I suspect White and Johnson would be off limits. That would obviously increase the amount of draft capital needed though.

I think eventually Morey's going to have to take pieces for Simmons and then hope to turn those pieces into a star later. I don't think Washington or Portland wants Simmons, so he's basically going to have to do a three-team deal anyway. Keeping Simmons becomes less and less of an option the longer they don't just commit to having him stay. So at this point, they should look for role-playing pieces around Embiid and future assets as they try to make the best of this year.

I think they should hold the line at Murray, Walker, Young, Poeltl, 2022 unprotected and 2024 moderately protected. Or Murray, Primo/Vassell, Aminu, Poeltl and 2022 lightly protected and 2024 moderately protectedd. Something like that. It's still a lot of value, but it gives the Spurs ammo to make another move and keeps a viable roster together.

[BacktoBasics]

Yes it would be politically bad to do that
Mr politically correct person

No one needs to have the shit kicked out them more than you.

[Chinook]

No one needs to have the shit kicked out them more than you.

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[Leetonidas]

Yes it would be politically bad to do that
Mr politically correct person

You are by far the stupidest poster on this forum. Which is really saying something

[TD 21]

If they settle, it'll more than likely only be after the Lillard situation is resolved.



I'd think our best offer for Simmons would be something like DJ, LW, Thad, Poeltl, our 22 1st and the Chicago 1st... not necessarily all going to Philly...some could go elsewhere to bring in other assets that fit them better..

Agreed, but whose that team? Even if they're amendable to Murray, my guess is they would only even consider that if between some combination of the remainder and their own expendable assets, they could get at least a McCollum caliber player.



I think eventually Morey's going to have to take pieces for Simmons and then hope to turn those pieces into a star later. I don't think Washington or Portland wants Simmons, so he's basically going to have to do a three-team deal anyway. Keeping Simmons becomes less and less of an option the longer they don't just commit to having him stay. So at this point, they should look for role-playing pieces around Embiid and future assets as they try to make the best of this year.

I think they should hold the line at Murray, Walker, Young, Poeltl, 2022 unprotected and 2024 moderately protected. Or Murray, Primo/Vassell, Aminu, Poeltl and 2022 lightly protected and 2024 moderately protectedd. Something like that. It's still a lot of value, but it gives the Spurs ammo to make another move and keeps a viable roster together.

I don't think they can afford to do that and still keep Embiid engaged unless they also pulled off what I alluded to above.

Agreed. I'd try to get a top 1 protection on any 1st though.

[spurraider21]

Yeah. The Spurs should absolutely come correct with their best Simmons offer and then just be okay with being outbid if it comes to that. Unlike a lot of STers, I think the Spurs should put a high price on acquiring him. But I also think they need to leave themselves a means to turn his acquisition into a contending push if they get him. If the only way they can get him requires hamstringing themselves, then they can afford to be patient. Not that it's the same thing, but they should be a team well positioned to make a run at say Aaron Gordon next summer. There aren't many stars, but there is a lot of role-playing talent available. That could help the Spurs replenish their roster in the event of other trades
yep. i get that Simmons has some key limitations but he immediately gives a team a much better floor

[tonight...you]

yep. i get that Simmons has some key limitations but he immediately gives a team a much better floor
Which ruins a tank and limits the ceiling.

[Chinook]

Which ruins a tank and limits the ceiling.

You can never ruin a tank. You can only delay it.

[mo7888]

If they settle, it'll more than likely only be after the Lillard situation is resolved.




Agreed, but whose that team? Even if they're amendable to Murray, my guess is they would only even consider that if between some combination of the remainder and their own expendable assets, they could get at least a McCollum caliber player.




I don't think they can afford to do that and still keep Embiid engaged unless they also pulled off what I alluded to above.

Agreed. I'd try to get a top 1 protection on any 1st though.

That's a great question and I don't have an answer that just jumps off the page at me... maybe Indiana with Brogdon going to Philly? Im.aware you can poke holes in that idea but, I'm just saying something along those lines...a less than star that might provide spacing and could play next to DJ...

[Dejounte]

Package Luka, Lonnie, and Aminu for Siakam to clear up the logjams

Murray/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Forbes/ Primo
Keldon/ McDermott/ KBD/ Wieskamp
Siakam/ Young/
Poeltl/ Landale/ Eubanks/ Collins

Primo’s agent is the same as Siakam, just saying…

[tonight...you]

You can never ruin a tank. You can only delay it.
Multi-year semi-tanks are always... fun, I guess?
I'm predicting years of frustration for you, watching what this team does.

[CGD]

I'd think our best offer for Simmons would be something like DJ, LW, Thad, Poeltl, our 22 1st and the Chicago 1st... not necessarily all going to Philly...some could go elsewhere to bring in other assets that fit them better..

I agree. Obviously we’d need to hear whether Simmons would be OK being in SA, but that’s along the lines of my upper limit too.

This would be a zesty team, if Collins is able to suit up by Dec as planned:

White/Tre
Vassel/Forbes
Keldon/Primo
Simmons/Luka
Collins/Aussie kid

[Mugen]

I agree. Obviously we’d need to hear whether Simmons would be OK being in SA, but that’s along the lines of my upper limit too.

This would be a zesty team, if Collins is able to suit up by Dec as planned:

White/Tre
Vassel/Forbes
Keldon/Primo
Simmons/Luka
Collins/Aussie kid

Agreed - that team easily lands them a top 5 pick next draft :lol

[Chinook]

Multi-year semi-tanks are always... fun, I guess?
I'm predicting years of frustration for you, watching what this team does.

Um... You're the one who doesn't want the team to do what they're doing. I don't want them to tank, so them "ruining" the tank by trying to win doesn't bother me.

Of course, real tanks last way more than a year, so I don't get why years of watching them fight for the play-in is worse than years of watching them lose 50 games.

[raybies]

Package Luka, Lonnie, and Aminu for Siakam to clear up the logjams

Murray/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Forbes/ Primo
Keldon/ McDermott/ KBD/ Wieskamp
Siakam/ Young/
Poeltl/ Landale/ Eubanks/ Collins

Primo’s agent is the same as Siakam, just saying…

you'd have to think if they drafted primo they envision one of murray or white not being there... i mean he's a lottery pick... i'd imagine they'd offer something like a choice between murray or white, luka or lonnie, and maybe aminu or thad.. i don't know the numbers or anything but they way the team is constructed you think they are gonna be cashing in so to speak with the wealth and promise of their youth... we need a star to build around... at least one. demar and lma weren't real stars... they were elite role players... kawhi was star... the big three were all stars... etc

i'd take simmons or siakam.. just to get a start going... siakam though seems like a great piece to build around and knowing masai he gonna want picks and players.. and we do have something to offer now... i guess

[LCM]

Package Luka, Lonnie, and Aminu for Siakam to clear up the logjams

Murray/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Forbes/ Primo
Keldon/ McDermott/ KBD/ Wieskamp
Siakam/ Young/
Poeltl/ Landale/ Eubanks/ Collins

Primo’s agent is the same as Siakam, just saying…

That is the player and the package to go after. Raptors can flip Lonnie at trade deadline if they don't want to extend him. Develop Samanic for the bench behind Barnes and OG, could play some 3 for them too. Aminu would be a buyout candidate later in the year. Possibly throw in a draft pick or two to sweeten it. Getting Siakam off their books is going to help the Raptors extend Boucher as well.

Getting Siakam allows the Spurs to bring Thad off the bench to be that DIAW role, and it gives Collins time to completely heal. Thad is a great passer and smart player. He's a great bench asset for getting everyone involved and can score at all 3 levels. If Collins is healthy and consistently plays the second half of the season, then you can flip Thad for more assets for the future. Collins price is cheaper than a Samanic extension and he could compete for minutes to eventually replace Poeltl in the future.

If the Spurs got Siakam, that is a top 6 seed, playoff team - minimum! They would be faster, younger, would pass the ball more. Looking for good to great shot making again, quit iso ball!!! Better 3pt shooting, better spacing in the SL and the bench to operate, can go 10+ deep (and for the love of God play Forbes sparingly or none at all!!)

Siakam should be a real consideration!

[The Truth #6]

I’m curious to see how Brian Wright manages our assets moving forward. I see lots of comments suggesting flipping this or that player, and while I agree with the idea, I still can’t predict if the FO has that in them. Yes, they had a really active off-season so it’s obviously possible, but I still can’t tell.

[ducks]

Package pop for Simmons now !

[timtonymanu]

:lol Simmons, dude couldn’t be motivated in Philly who were close to title contenders. Why do people keep linking him to SA, a small market lottery team. He would bail even faster than Marcus Morris.

[offset formation]

I think eventually Morey's going to have to take pieces for Simmons and then hope to turn those pieces into a star later. I don't think Washington or Portland wants Simmons, so he's basically going to have to do a three-team deal anyway. Keeping Simmons becomes less and less of an option the longer they don't just commit to having him stay. So at this point, they should look for role-playing pieces around Embiid and future assets as they try to make the best of this year.

I think they should hold the line at Murray, Walker, Young, Poeltl, 2022 unprotected and 2024 moderately protected. Or Murray, Primo/Vassell, Aminu, Poeltl and 2022 lightly protected and 2024 moderately protectedd. Something like that. It's still a lot of value, but it gives the Spurs ammo to make another move and keeps a viable roster together.

pure madness. Simmons is way overrated here to draw that kind of haul. I'd barely do a straight up Murray for Simmons.

[Chinook]

pure madness. Simmons is way overrated here to draw that kind of haul. I'd barely do a straight up Murray for Simmons.

As weird as it is, it's not that much of a price. The Spurs need to clear roster spots, and while some of these guys are starters, they're basically being replaced pretty adequately or didn't have a set spot anyway. While it's never fun to trade away picks, that they avoid having picks encumbered for years is a big plus. In these scenarios, the Spurs get to run:

Simmons, Jones
White, Forbes, Primo
McD, Vassell, Wieskamp, Huchison
Johnson, Samanic, KBD, Aminu
Landale, Eubanks, Collins

or

Simmons, Jones
White, Forbes, (Primo)
McD, (Vassell), Walker, Wieskamp , KBD, Huchison
Johnson, Young, Samanic,
Landale, Eubanks, Collins

For both teams you'd like to at least sign a decent PG to a two-way but they're overall cleaner rosters with far better spacing

[Chinook]

That is the player and the package to go after. Raptors can flip Lonnie at trade deadline if they don't want to extend him. Develop Samanic for the bench behind Barnes and OG, could play some 3 for them too. Aminu would be a buyout candidate later in the year. Possibly throw in a draft pick or two to sweeten it. Getting Siakam off their books is going to help the Raptors extend Boucher as well.

Getting Siakam allows the Spurs to bring Thad off the bench to be that DIAW role, and it gives Collins time to completely heal. Thad is a great passer and smart player. He's a great bench asset for getting everyone involved and can score at all 3 levels. If Collins is healthy and consistently plays the second half of the season, then you can flip Thad for more assets for the future. Collins price is cheaper than a Samanic extension and he could compete for minutes to eventually replace Poeltl in the future.

If the Spurs got Siakam, that is a top 6 seed, playoff team - minimum! They would be faster, younger, would pass the ball more. Looking for good to great shot making again, quit iso ball!!! Better 3pt shooting, better spacing in the SL and the bench to operate, can go 10+ deep (and for the love of God play Forbes sparingly or none at all!!)

Siakam should be a real consideration!


I think Siakam is a potential target, but Simmons was notably better than Pascal and more impactful. If that means Siakam can be had for a better price, maybe it's still worth it. But the trade Dejounte proposed isn't possible. It's also a typical ST "our crap for your gold" trade. Both for monetary reasons and basic fairness, Murray or White, or at least Thad and a pick would have to be added. You also have to ask if it's worth it even at the reduced price to get a player who's hovering close to neutral impact isn't a defensive game-changer or play-maker and costs a ton of money. There are scenarios where I think it would be, but I also think you aren't going to make Murray/White work by adding another high-dollar guy who needs the ball in his hands. Any big trade needs to break up that duo.

[Dex]

:lol Simmons, dude couldn’t be motivated in Philly who were close to title contenders. Why do people keep linking him to SA, a small market lottery team. He would bail even faster than Marcus Morris.

This. It's not worth giving up any assets for a guy with questionable effort who would bail at the first opportunity (if he even showed up at all).

Simmons literally threw out there that he is "open to being traded to Golden State". Well no shit, Sherlock, you're okay with going to the Bay Area to a contender with two of the best shooters in the league?

He also said he didn't want to go to Toronto or Portland because he considers himself "a young socialite". What the hell do you think he is going to think about playing in San Antonio?

Dude doesn't even seem to realize his stock is as low as ever and he doesn't really have a say in the matter.

[John B]

As weird as it is, it's not that much of a price. The Spurs need to clear roster spots, and while some of these guys are starters, they're basically being replaced pretty adequately or didn't have a set spot anyway. While it's never fun to trade away picks, that they avoid having picks encumbered for years is a big plus. In these scenarios, the Spurs get to run:

Simmons, Jones
White, Forbes, Primo
McD, Vassell, Wieskamp, Huchison
Johnson, Samanic, KBD, Aminu
Landale, Eubanks, Collins

or

Simmons, Jones
White, Forbes, (Primo)
McD, (Vassell), Walker, Wieskamp , KBD, Huchison
Johnson, Young, Samanic,
Landale, Eubanks, Collins

For both teams you'd like to at least sign a decent PG to a two-way but they're overall cleaner rosters with far better spacing

I really like that Aussie tandem of Simmons and Landale in there. Landale somewhat defended Simmons’ decision to not join the Olympics as his prerogative going through personal tough times. And I think Simmons would appreciate having a fellow Aussie in the team. Landale seems like a bruiser, and it would be interesting to see Keldon, Simmons and Landale in the defensive end.

[ace3g]

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[BacktoBasics]

Package pop for Simmons now !

Is there a reason you post here? I can’t imagine the lack of human connection you must have to continue returning to this forum knowing that literally no one wants you here.

[KobesAchilles]

Is there a reason you post here? I can’t imagine the lack of human connection you must have to continue returning to this forum knowing that literally no one wants you here.
Give the guy a break. If he doesn’t post here then who else is he supposed to tell how many computers a day he fixed?

[Mr. Body]

If ducks didn't post here, he'd likely shoot up a movie theater. He needs an outlet.

[tonight...you]

Um... You're the one who doesn't want the team to do what they're doing. I don't want them to tank, so them "ruining" the tank by trying to win doesn't bother me.

Of course, real tanks last way more than a year, so I don't get why years of watching them fight for the play-in is worse than years of watching them lose 50 games.
How can you know what I want, when I myself is unsure of what I want?

[Chinook]

How can you know what I want, when I myself is unsure of what I want?

Your brain might be confused, but your heart isn't.

[TD 21]

That's a great question and I don't have an answer that just jumps off the page at me... maybe Indiana with Brogdon going to Philly? Im.aware you can poke holes in that idea but, I'm just saying something along those lines...a less than star that might provide spacing and could play next to DJ...

Yeah, that's probably the caliber/type . . . but Harris, Brogdon, Murray and ancillary youth + draft capital, is more than likely not enough to keep Embiid engaged.



Package Luka, Lonnie, and Aminu for Siakam to clear up the logjams

Murray/ Tre
White/ Vassell/ Forbes/ Primo
Keldon/ McDermott/ KBD/ Wieskamp
Siakam/ Young/
Poeltl/ Landale/ Eubanks/ Collins

Primo’s agent is the same as Siakam, just saying…

Walker IV has yet to proven he's a rotation player and Samanic an NBA player, yet the Raptors are going to trade their best player/asset for them and a negative value expiring?

It'd probably take one of Murray/White, one of Poeltl/Young and a lightly protected 1st to even get them to think about it.

[Dejounte]

Yeah, that's probably the caliber/type . . . but Harris, Brogdon, Murray and ancillary youth + draft capital, is more than likely not enough to keep Embiid engaged.




Walker IV has yet to proven he's a rotation player and Samanic an NBA player, yet the Raptors are going to trade their best player/asset for them and a negative value expiring?

It'd probably take one of Murray/White, one of Poeltl/Young and a lightly protected 1st to even get them to think about it.

Honestly, it was something I effortlessly threw together to make sense of the current roster construction from the Spurs POV. IMO, the way it looks right now is that those two guys are the odd men out from this roster. + and Eubanks

[tonight...you]

Your brain might be confused, but your heart isn't.
Lol, alright boss.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

If ducks didn't post here, he'd likely shoot up a movie theater. He needs an outlet.

Love your positive attitude bro! Also, without bad posts, how can we treasure and respect good posts?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Is there a reason you post here? I can’t imagine the lack of human connection you must have to continue returning to this forum knowing that literally no one wants you here.

I love ducks

[Spurs9]

This. It's not worth giving up any assets for a guy with questionable effort who would bail at the first opportunity (if he even showed up at all).

Simmons literally threw out there that he is "open to being traded to Golden State". Well no shit, Sherlock, you're okay with going to the Bay Area to a contender with two of the best shooters in the league?

He also said he didn't want to go to Toronto or Portland because he considers himself "a young socialite". What the hell do you think he is going to think about playing in San Antonio?

Dude doesn't even seem to realize his stock is as low as ever and he doesn't really have a say in the matter.
We have the riverwalk and chicken place to be fair.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I don't regret Spurs didn't draft Jalen Johnson. We have to keep our tradition of drafting known nice and humble yet hard-working guys. Stay away from guys who has too much ego.

[TimDunkem]

^ Everyone in this damn league has an ego. Doesn't mean they can't fit on the team and, let's get real, none of us truly know what any of these guys are like but, sure, let's keep up the mental gymnastics on why the Spurs once again passed on clearly better choices.

[Biggems]

I don't regret Spurs didn't draft Jalen Johnson. We have to keep our tradition of drafting known nice and humble yet hard-working guys. Stay away from guys who has too much ego.

I was not a fan of JJ. I wanted Sengun. I felt like he was the safest pick in the 1st round. He might have the most potential upside, but he would be a solid potential double double guy for a decade or so. He already has a nice low post game, along with a decent outside shot. He may not be the best defender, but he does give effort, and being alongside Poeltl would help him tremendously on that end.

Unfortunately, instead of going for a needed Big, we went for another guard. Now we just have to hope Cousin develops

[Dex]

I don't regret Spurs didn't draft Jalen Johnson. We have to keep our tradition of drafting known nice and humble yet hard-working guys. Stay away from guys who has too much ego.

Every team needs some guys with some ego. Tim, Tony and Manu all had ego...they just expressed in different ways.

Tim had quiet confidence, but it helps that he was a top-10 player of all time when all was said and done.

Manu was a wildcard out there. He knew he did crazy stuff all the time but had the confidence that it would work, even if it drove Pop bonkers.

Tony wanted to be the hero a lot of the times...but teams still need that kind of drive and persistence. Hell, even Kawhi was quiet...but he wasn't afraid to take on the challenge of matching LeBron in the 2014 Finals as a third-year player.

We also had our fair share of grinders and enforcers too....Mario Ellie, Stephen Jackson, Kevin Willis, Tony Massenburg, Robert "Hip-check" Horry, Big Dog Glenn Robinson....all guys who weren't afraid to mix it up if needed.

Just once, I would like Lonnie to act like Parker and try to OVER-assert himself for better or worse.

I'm all for getting high character guys in our small market situation, but you're not gonna win a lot of competitive games if EVERYONE on the team is acting like a boy scout.

[mo7888]

We have the riverwalk and chicken place to be fair.

Tell me more about this chicken place...

[Dex]

Tell me more about this chicken place...

They have chickens.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Every team needs some guys with some ego. Tim, Tony and Manu all had ego...they just expressed in different ways.

Tim had quiet confidence, but it helps that he was a top-10 player of all time when all was said and done.

Manu was a wildcard out there. He knew he did crazy stuff all the time but had the confidence that it would work, even if it drove Pop bonkers.

Bro, I meant Selfish when I said "ego". Yes I love Manu's "ego" but always have team success in his mind.

Tony wanted to be the hero a lot of the times...but teams still need that kind of drive and persistence. Hell, even Kawhi was quiet...but he wasn't afraid to take on the challenge of matching LeBron in the 2014 Finals as a third-year player.

We also had our fair share of grinders and enforcers too....Mario Ellie, Stephen Jackson, Kevin Willis, Tony Massenburg, Robert "Hip-check" Horry, Big Dog Glenn Robinson....all guys who weren't afraid to mix it up if needed.

Just once, I would like Lonnie to act like Parker and try to OVER-assert himself for better or worse.

I'm all for getting high character guys in our small market situation, but you're not gonna win a lot of competitive games if EVERYONE on the team is acting like a boy scout.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Every team needs some guys with some ego. Tim, Tony and Manu all had ego...they just expressed in different ways.

Tim had quiet confidence, but it helps that he was a top-10 player of all time when all was said and done.

Manu was a wildcard out there. He knew he did crazy stuff all the time but had the confidence that it would work, even if it drove Pop bonkers.

Tony wanted to be the hero a lot of the times...but teams still need that kind of drive and persistence. Hell, even Kawhi was quiet...but he wasn't afraid to take on the challenge of matching LeBron in the 2014 Finals as a third-year player.

We also had our fair share of grinders and enforcers too....Mario Ellie, Stephen Jackson, Kevin Willis, Tony Massenburg, Robert "Hip-check" Horry, Big Dog Glenn Robinson....all guys who weren't afraid to mix it up if needed.

Just once, I would like Lonnie to act like Parker and try to OVER-assert himself for better or worse.

I'm all for getting high character guys in our small market situation, but you're not gonna win a lot of competitive games if EVERYONE on the team is acting like a boy scout.

Bro, I meant "Selfish" when I said "ego". Yes I love Manu's "ego" but always have team success in his mind.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I was not a fan of JJ. I wanted Sengun. I felt like he was the safest pick in the 1st round. He might have the most potential upside, but he would be a solid potential double double guy for a decade or so. He already has a nice low post game, along with a decent outside shot. He may not be the best defender, but he does give effort, and being alongside Poeltl would help him tremendously on that end.

Unfortunately, instead of going for a needed Big, we went for another guard. Now we just have to hope Cousin develops

I like Sengun too. he will score a lot of points. But he will likely be driven by again and again by quick guards. In todays' NBA, even Duncan is not as successful as before. Plus, Sengun doesn't have a 3 point shot yet. He may develop based on his free throw percentage. But he may not. Primo can already make deep 3s. That's the difference in Brian Wright's mind I think.

[Dex]

Bro, I meant "Selfish" when I said "ego". Yes I love Manu's "ego" but always have team success in his mind.

I know what you meant. I'm not saying that we need to bring in any headcases or anything, but frankly...this team could someone with a little bit more force on it. You don't become one of the greats without having a little bit of that edge to you.

Our biggest leader right now is probably Dejounte, and he gets butthurt when anybody makes a snide remark on Instagram.

[John B]

I know what you meant. I'm not saying that we need to bring in any headcases or anything, but frankly...this team could someone with a little bit more force on it. You don't become one of the greats without having a little bit of that edge to you.

Our biggest leader right now is probably Dejounte, and he gets butthurt when anybody makes a snide remark on Instagram.

Spurs fans were just lucky having the best character guys, Iceman, DRob, Timmy, Manu, Tony. Damn lucky. But great players like MJ, Kobe were a$$holes. I mean much respect, that’s part of them being an alpha. Doncic is another one, and I don’t doubt he’ll be great with what he’s shown so far at a very early age. But do Spurs should shy away from a$$holes when they have star quality?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Spurs fans were just lucky having the best character guys, Iceman, DRob, Timmy, Manu, Tony. Damn lucky. But great players like MJ, Kobe were a$$holes. I mean much respect, that’s part of them being an alpha. Doncic is another one, and I don’t doubt he’ll be great with what he’s shown so far at a very early age. But do Spurs should shy away from a$$holes when they have star quality?

You make the question very tough for me. I honestly don't know who to pick if both Kobe and Manu are available. :) But I definitely don't want guys like Stephen Jackson who threw tantrum at the most important time of the season. If he hed his ego in check, we may have beat Heat in 2013.

[John B]

You make the question very tough for me. I honestly don't know who to pick if both Kobe and Manu are available. :) But I definitely don't want guys like Stephen Jackson who threw tantrum at the most important time of the season. If he hed his ego in check, we may have beat Heat in 2013.

I mean except for that 1996 injury, that’s 32 years of continued excellence. Some of the ST fans were probably not born yet. Sometimes I feel ST fans are just damn naive, spoiled. We’ve been safe in a cocoon. It’s not the Spurs way. But it’s the only way that they know. We picked a “mute” and thought we’re lucky we got another Timmy, until he stabbed us in the back and set the house on fire. We passed on opportunities like Jalen Johnson because of his character issues. Simmons, because he’s a diva. Spurs were lucky with DRob and Timmy that kept the franchise steady. But how many DRob and Timmy are out there? Seriously, Spurs way would’ve picked Sam Bowie or Hakeem over MJ, tbh.

[mo7888]

They have chickens.

Good to know...

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I mean except for that 1996 injury, that’s 32 years of continued excellence. Some of the ST fans were probably not born yet. Sometimes I feel ST fans are just damn naive, spoiled. We’ve been safe in a cocoon. It’s not the Spurs way. But it’s the only way that they know. We picked a “mute” and thought we’re lucky we got another Timmy, until he stabbed us in the back and set the house on fire. We passed on opportunities like Jalen Johnson because of his character issues. Simmons, because he’s a diva. Spurs were lucky with DRob and Timmy that kept the franchise steady. But how many DRob and Timmy are out there? Seriously, Spurs way would’ve picked Sam Bowie or Hakeem over MJ, tbh.

Jordan was a bad person. Right? he respected coach and teammates. Yes he became more arrogant later on. But not bad at all.

Curious how teams assess character issues. Maybe they first get a raw score of each prospect based on talent and skill. Then discount based on character? Say violence 50% discount; disrespect toward coach 25%; disrespect toward teammates 15%; Did anyone hear anything like this from recruiters?

[LkrFan]

Any chances Pop lets Lonnie hit free agency? Peep this:
https://twitter.com/YossiGozlan/status/1426990210735173637?s=19

$30M is damn near a max salary slot. I wonder who Pop will be targeting? Hmmmm

[Robz4000]

Any chances Pop lets Lonnie hit free agency? Peep this:
https://twitter.com/YossiGozlan/status/1426990210735173637?s=19

$30M is damn near a max salary slot. I wonder who Pop will be targeting? Hmmmm

Brent Forms tbh

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

In todays' NBA, even Duncan is not as successful as before.

sigh

duncan was big fast smart with excellent hand-eye coordination and ruthless determination

If we imagine Duncan entered Wake Forest 4 years ago and was training with "today's NBA" in mind -- I have no doubt that he would have mastered the skills needed to dominate, including 3 point shooting. And while we're playing "what if" we can say that he'd get the benefit of advanced medicine and maybe he wouldn't have hurt his knee. :oink

also a player as elite as duncan not only adjusts to the game, he changes the game

[Manu&Duncan fan]

sigh

duncan was big fast smart with excellent hand-eye coordination and ruthless determination

If we imagine Duncan entered Wake Forest 4 years ago and was training with "today's NBA" in mind -- I have no doubt that he would have mastered the skills needed to dominate, including 3 point shooting. And while we're playing "what if" we can say that he'd get the benefit of advanced medicine and maybe he wouldn't have hurt his knee. :oink

also a player as elite as duncan not only adjusts to the game, he changes the game

I'm mostly agree actually. Duncan is a super wise guy and I agree he can adjust. Sorry my post was based on the true Duncan who doesn't have super lateral quickness and doesn't have a 3 pt shot.

[exstatic]

I'm mostly agree actually. Duncan is a super wise guy and I agree he can adjust. Sorry my post was based on the true Duncan who doesn't have super lateral quickness and doesn't have a 3 pt shot.

When your wingspan is 7’4”, the lateral quickness matters a bit less. He never had an issue getting anyone’s shot, including super stars. Most of them stopped attacking him directly on defense.

[TD 21]

When your wingspan is 7’4”, the lateral quickness matters a bit less. He never had an issue getting anyone’s shot, including super stars. Most of them stopped attacking him directly on defense.

7'5'' . . . NBA: Tim Duncan brings hope to hometown hit hard by hurricanes (espn.com.au) (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/21137486/tim-duncan-brings-hope-hometown-hit-hard-hurricanes)

[Manu&Duncan fan]

When your wingspan is 7’4”, the lateral quickness matters a bit less. He never had an issue getting anyone’s shot, including super stars. Most of them stopped attacking him directly on defense.

Hand-check is no longer allowed bro. I'm a big fan of Duncan. I named myself Tim after Duncan. But the game has changed. I hate that. But the reality is Duncan will be driven by quick guards again and again in today's NBA. I was arguing why FO didn't pick Sengun. Near basket skills alone is no longer enough these days.

[tonight...you]

Hand-check is no longer allowed bro. I'm a big fan of Duncan. I named myself Tim after Duncan. But the game has changed. I hate that. But the reality is Duncan will be driven by quick guards again and again in today's NBA. I was arguing why FO didn't pick Sengun. Near basket skills alone is no longer enough these days.
You legally changed your name to Tim?