Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[spurraider21]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of shit and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.
do you get annoyed when people tell other people to shoot themselves in the head?

[Splits]

Players don’t tank. They’re playing for contracts. Front offices tank

Exactly. If TOR shuts down Barnes for the season even though he could play 10 games after recovery, that's tanking. But the idea seems lost on many.

[Splits]

How does the racism of this not deserve ridicule?


Oh stfu. Nig is a term of endearment if you had any idea how to contextualize.

https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nig

[vy65]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of shit and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

It seems very clear that Toronto operates in certain ways. They talk about what they're doing all the time.

This fanbase is much too stupid, petulant, and frankly just doesn't deserve what this franchise has done. That's not being a sniffer. There's enough to criticize.

But if you're put off by someone getting incensed bu brain dead group think of the worst kind, I don't know what to tell you. Because there's a shit load of it and it deserves to be attacked.

Then what the actual fuck are you doing on an online message board for a top-three worst team in the league? In your supposed 20 years on this forum, did you honestly expect positivity? Are you really that fucking stupid?

[Ariel]

Exactly. If TOR shuts down Barnes for the season even though he could play 10 games after recovery, that's tanking. But the idea seems lost on many.
Barnes' injury usually takes 30-40 days, and it's been reported he might even require surgery. That alone covers the remainder of the season, him not coming back isn't a sign they're tanking at all, but rather that they have the common sense not to expose their best player to reaggravate his injury when they have nothing to play for.

[Splits]

Barnes' injury usually takes 30-40 days, and it's been reported he might even require surgery. That alone covers the remainder of the season, him not coming back isn't a sign they're tanking at all, but rather that they have the common sense not to expose their best player to reaggravate his injury when they have nothing to play for.

Sure. It was just an example, albeit a lazy one. Let me rephrase:


If TOR shuts down Barnes for the season even though he could play fully healthy 10 games after recovery, yet they can still make the play-in, that's tanking. But the idea seems lost on many.

[Splits]

Then what the actual fuck are you doing on an online message board for a top-three worst team in the league? In your supposed 20 years on this forum, did you honestly expect positivity? Are you really that fucking stupid?

:lol

[NASpurs]

Then what the actual fuck are you doing on an online message board for a top-three worst team in the league? In your supposed 20 years on this forum, did you honestly expect positivity? Are you really that fucking stupid?

:lmao

[onechance87]

poeltl and brown out tommrow for raptors...Really need for memphs to lose tonight.

[KobesAchilles]

Funny how Body gets tired of us saying that Branham and Collins suck and not tired of those two actually sucking.
Dude comes to Spurstalk and is complaining about us not being happy with sucking. Somehow he’s ok with us sucking and being 3rd worst in the league. Idk how

[T Park]

Funny how Body gets tired of us saying that Branham and Collins suck and not tired of those two actually sucking.
Dude comes to Spurstalk and is complaining about us not being happy with sucking. Somehow he’s ok with us sucking and being 3rd worst in the league. Idk how

Us?

[T Park]

The reason why the Spurs are so poor is not because of the draft, but because every single player that gets any playing time is under 23 years old and most of them under 20 and barely have any experience. They have little notion of how to win certain aspects of the game, they're getting so much wrong and the whole team is having to learn together.

When you have strong vets, this is completely different. Instead of five guys making mistakes you may have one, and the others can cover for that player in that situation.

When you have five mistake makers on the floor at all times, it's incredibly hard to get it all worked out. Add to the mix sort of pausing everything to figure one titanic player out, and the fact that the roster is missing parts anyway.

Last year at this time the guys balling out were Sandro and Julian, both of whom have fallen completely off.

The team might do well to pick up strong vets in FA but it's unlikely to happen. A trade or two might happen. But ultimately the improvement will and has to largely come internally and by building collective and individual knowledge.

while I agree with a lot of this, you have to sign and upgrade the bench.

trades free agent however, the growth the team has shown Is beyond evident.

add in two more lottery picks, you have to upgrade the bench and you have to be a playoff team next year. you can't keep winning 20 and below

[T Park]

Stop it

Why do you have an attitude that your opinion is the only one that is correct.



Good christ, the lightning from the sky shall strike at any minute......

[T Park]

No one has a bigger swing and a miss record in their shitty amateur analysis than you. You're a fucking faggot through and through.

ah more homophobic childishness still here after I've been gone for a while.

awesome stuff. keep torpedoing the rep of the message board guys youre doing great.

[T Park]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of shit and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

It seems very clear that Toronto operates in certain ways. They talk about what they're doing all the time.

This fanbase is much too stupid, petulant, and frankly just doesn't deserve what this franchise has done. That's not being a sniffer. There's enough to criticize.

But if you're put off by someone getting incensed bu brain dead group think of the worst kind, I don't know what to tell you. Because there's a shit load of it and it deserves to be attacked.


because the Spurs fanbase has become a giant amount of entitled dumbass shitbirds who haven't the first clue of how a rebuild is run because they have never had to experience it.

[vy65]

because the Spurs fanbase has become a giant amount of entitled dumbass shitbirds who haven't the first clue of how a rebuild is run because they have never had to experience it.

This is such a monumentally retarded take. The fans pay for the team - they buy tickets, merch, league pass subscriptions, etc... Without them paying for the product, the product wouldn't exist. If they're not happy with the product that they're paying for, they're 100% entitled to bitch and moan and complain.

This refrain is such a boomer-esque reaction that is completely out of touch with reality.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

because the Spurs fanbase has become a giant amount of entitled dumbass shitbirds who haven't the first clue of how a rebuild is run because they have never had to experience it.

yeah there was no rebuilding into champions 1997-2014.

[LeBowen]

This is such a monumentally retarded take. The fans pay for the team - they buy tickets, merch, league pass subscriptions, etc... Without them paying for the product, the product wouldn't exist. If they're not happy with the product that they're paying for, they're 100% entitled to bitch and moan and complain.

This refrain is such a boomer-esque reaction that is completely out of touch with reality.

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as hell weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't fuck it up?

[spurraider21]

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[slick'81]

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as hell weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't fuck it up?


if wembys as good as we all think he is then even drunk burford can probably pull a competitive team outta his gin bottle for a while

[onechance87]

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wonder if they gonna get a deal done with iq...Would of liked him for us.

[onechance87]

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as hell weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't fuck it up?

Well damn

[vy65]

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as hell weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't fuck it up?

What you've identified is another form of "compensation," for lack of a better term, fans give the team - their time and attention. That also is another basis entitling fans to complain about the team.

Posters like TPark and Mrs. Body are like those douchebags who never actually went into the military, but try emulating that mentality in their personal lives on matters were its completely inappropriate to do so.

[duncan2150]

poeltl and brown out tommrow for raptors...Really need for memphs to lose tonight.

JJJ not playing tonight

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.



Samanic, Johnson, Walker, White, Branham, and Wesley were all picked 18+. Besides instant evaluations that are pretty questionable, I think you have completely unrealistic and frankly backwards expectation of what a good hit rate is.

Frankly anything after about the 8th pick expecting much above a coin flip is way above average hit rate.

[spurraider21]

nets favored by 9.5 against memphis today

[NASpurs]

ah more homophobic childishness still here after I've been gone for a while.

awesome stuff. keep torpedoing the rep of the message board guys youre doing great.

Drink draino you fat fuck

[NASpurs]

It's hilarious the two fuck boys telling people to basically kill themselves are also social justice white knights :lol

[LeBowen]

Samanic, Johnson, Walker, White, Branham, and Wesley were all picked 18+.

Samanic was an absolute no-name literally noone knew about, but for some reason RC was obsessed with him.
Thybulle, Clarke, Grant Williams were drafted after Samanic and before Keldon.
Then Claxton and Gafford got drafted in early second round.

Lonnie was a reasonable pick, ridiculous athlete with a picture perfect jumpshot, didn't work out.
But then again Huerter, Okogie, Grayson Allen, Anfernee Simons, Moritz Wagner, Shamet, Timelord Williams were seven straight picks after him that turned out to be way better players.

Even if Primo wasn't an exhibitionist, it was obvious he was a bust.
Out of all the years Spurs decided to favor foreign talent, they unexplainably decided to pass on Sengun.
Or even Trey Murphy who would be a perfect 3-D wing for this team.


Besides instant evaluations that are pretty questionable, I think you have completely unrealistic and frankly backwards expectation of what a good hit rate is.

Samanic and Primo were picks noone had in their mocks and attempted masterstrokes by RC or whoever made the final call.
Masterstrokes which ended in two wasted first rounders.


Frankly anything after about the 8th pick expecting much above a coin flip is way above average hit rate.

Obviously you can't get them all right and it eventually worked out because PATFO got beyond lucky with Wemby, but you can't sell me the narrative of coin flips if the front office keeps making Hail Mary picks noone else would've made.

[slick'81]

It's hilarious the two fuck boys telling people to basically kill themselves are also social justice white knights :lol


two peas in a pod

[exstatic]

Drink draino you fat fuck


It's hilarious the two fuck boys telling people to basically kill themselves are also social justice white knights :lol

I’ll just leave these consecutive posts here…

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Samanic was an absolute no-name literally noone knew about, but for some reason RC was obsessed with him.
Thybulle, Clarke, Grant Williams were drafted after Samanic and before Keldon.
Then Claxton and Gafford got drafted in early second round.

Lonnie was a reasonable pick, ridiculous athlete with a picture perfect jumpshot, didn't work out.
But then again Huerter, Okogie, Grayson Allen, Anfernee Simons, Moritz Wagner, Shamet, Timelord Williams were seven straight picks after him that turned out to be way better players.

Even if Primo wasn't an exhibitionist, it was obvious he was a bust.
Out of all the years Spurs decided to favor foreign talent, they unexplainably decided to pass on Sengun.
Or even Trey Murphy who would be a perfect 3-D wing for this team.



Samanic and Primo were picks noone had in their mocks and attempted masterstrokes by RC or whoever made the final call.
Masterstrokes which ended in two wasted first rounders.



Obviously you can't get them all right and it eventually worked out because PATFO got beyond lucky with Wemby, but you can't sell me the narrative of coin flips if the front office keeps making Hail Mary picks noone else would've made.

The revisionist woulda coulda is great but at the end of the day the numerator and denominator are not bad.

[NASpurs]

I’ll just leave these consecutive posts here…

You're really dense :lol

There's a reason why I told him that. I'm not going to go over the history over T Pork. You should know it, you've been here long enough.

[LeBowen]

The revisionist woulda coulda is great but at the end of the day the numerator and denominator are not bad.

As I said, I've got no problems picks other than Samanic and Primo.
Those two were inexcusable. Especially Primo with Sengun being a sure thing, more or less.

It's not revisionist history if the entire NBA space was wtf-ing at those picks.

Still, the point is that Spurs are average at drafting right now. It's not what it used to be.

[rascal]

You're a really dense :lol

There's a reason why I told him that. I'm not going to go over the history over T Pork. You should know it, you've been here long enough.

Yeah, that is a favorite of T Park's.

[DAF86]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of shit and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

It seems very clear that Toronto operates in certain ways. They talk about what they're doing all the time.

This fanbase is much too stupid, petulant, and frankly just doesn't deserve what this franchise has done. That's not being a sniffer. There's enough to criticize.

But if you're put off by someone getting incensed bu brain dead group think of the worst kind, I don't know what to tell you. Because there's a shit load of it and it deserves to be attacked.

Dude, you need to chill. Take it from someone that has taken on the entire board many times with my internet shtick of being pedantic and the biggest smartass possible, the key is to never take it personal. We do this for fun and entertainment, even when getting into a heated debate it is really important to never lose track of that.

If you really get that worked up over what people say in here, maybe the best thing for you it would be not to log in that often, tbh. Now, if you get off to having an entire board against you and telling them to "kill themselves", then carry on. As long as you keep in mind that this is just for fun and it isn't really that serious, tbh. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

That's exactly why I've been a PATFO critic for years now. Somehow a lot of people here want to hold players accountable, but when the supposedly GOAT coach and the best front office in the NBA with the best player development program in the league fails and underperforms for years, everything is all good. This organization was viewed as the best in all sports and they aren't even the best in the NBA anymore.

If they are really the cream of the crop, they will set Wemby up for a 3-peat.

[onechance87]

That's exactly why I've been a PATFO critic for years now. Somehow a lot of people here want to hold players accountable, but when the supposedly GOAT coach and the best front office in the NBA with the best player development program in the league fails and underperforms for years, everything is all good. This organization was viewed as the best in all sports and they aren't even the best in the NBA anymore.

well they can make it up to us this offseason.With two potential lottery draft pics this draft,And some cap space this summer.
Hopefully we get back a decent roster and back to the right direction of being competitve and improving and winning.
If not,Heads gotta roll,Starting with our gm.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As I said, I've got no problems picks other than Samanic and Primo.
Those two were inexcusable. Especially Primo with Sengun being a sure thing, more or less.

It's not revisionist history if the entire NBA space was wtf-ing at those picks.

Still, the point is that Spurs are average at drafting right now. It's not what it used to be.

Bandwagoning other people agreeing with your incredulity is not really an argument. Saying we should have picked Sengun over Primo is precisely revisionism. The Spurs do not have to compete against that. They have to compete against the rest of the NBA.

Most drafts have only about 20 or so players that can muster a positive VORP after a rookie contract. 2-5 that become All Stars at all and they are heavily slanted to picks 1-6.

handwaving at the two failures doesn't demonstrate anything.

[LeBowen]

Bandwagoning other people agreeing with your incredulity is not really an argument. Saying we should have picked Sengun over Primo is precisely revisionism. The Spurs do not have to compete against that. They have to compete against the rest of the NBA.

Most drafts have only about 20 or so players that can muster a positive VORP after a rookie contract. 2-5 that become All Stars at all and they are heavily slanted to picks 1-6.

handwaving at the two failures doesn't demonstrate anything.

Idk how to put this nicely, but even though I'm fairly new on this forum compared to yourself, I'm somewhat of a veteran when it comes to textbook forum smartasses like yourself and you really need to stop it.
It's been three straight days and three different topics that you keep twisting every reply of mine, moving the goalposts and more or less changing the subject just because you simply have to be right.

I honestly got no motivation to engage into it any further.
I've said my bit and backed it up with arguments about why PATFO shouldn't be seen as a perfect front office anymore, you still think it's 2003, let's just leave it at that.
Have a nice day.

[CGD]

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But why?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Idk how to put this nicely, but even though I'm fairly new on this forum compared to yourself, I'm somewhat of a veteran when it comes to textbook forum smartasses like yourself and you really need to stop it.
It's been three straight days and three different topics that you keep twisting every reply of mine, moving the goalposts and more or less changing the subject just because you simply have to be right.

I honestly got no motivation to engage into it any further.
I've said my bit and backed it up with arguments about why PATFO shouldn't be seen as a perfect front office anymore, you still think it's 2003, let's just leave it at that.
Have a nice day.

We can agree to disagree but you are putting out assertions and whining when challenged. If you do not like PATFO fine, you are welcome to your agenda.

The Spurs success rate is over 60% drafting 11th and later. That is far above league average.

[BackHome]

The only picked I think they royally screwed up was Primo but every other pick I could see the reason they picked that person and most NBA had given good grades on past drafts.

[onechance87]

fck u memphis

[slick'81]

fck u memphis


dillon brooks did them in

[rascal]

well they can make it up to us this offseason.With two potential lottery draft pics this draft,And some cap space this summer.
Hopefully we get back a decent roster and back to the right direction of being competitve and improving and winning.
If not,Heads gotta roll,Starting with our gm.

wrong thread

[spurraider21]

on the bright side, if memphis was going to win a game, doing it against the nets is the best version of that.

[RC_Drunkford]

how did the Nets lose to a bunch of G-League players?

[duncan2150]

fck u memphis

That's one of the few game we can be ok with a memphis win, the nets are now only one win ahead of toronto.

[exstatic]

That's one of the few game we can be ok with a memphis win, the nets are now only one win ahead of toronto.

Exactly. You guys should probably stop living and dying with each game, considering there’s roughly 1/4 season left.

[Mr. Body]

Brooklyn is really bad. They may be the worst team in the league next year.

[exstatic]

Brooklyn is really bad. They may be the worst team in the league next year.

If that’s the case, they should start offloading usable pieces like Bridges and Cam Johnson, just to be sure.

[Mr. Body]

If that’s the case, they should start offloading usable pieces like Bridges and Cam Johnson, just to be sure.

They don't own their pick for three more years. A swap next year. No franchise may be in worse shape than they are right now. They have to get talent and/or trade for picks that convey in the next few years.

[CGD]

^ I know this is just a backdoor way to talk about Miles Bridges. Honestly that guy has been a disappointment this year, and I would be loath to give up any of the ATL picks for him. We already have the 3rd best player on a playoff team: his name is Devin Vassell.

[JPB]

Bandwagoning other people agreeing with your incredulity is not really an argument. Saying we should have picked Sengun over Primo is precisely revisionism. The Spurs do not have to compete against that. They have to compete against the rest of the NBA.

Most drafts have only about 20 or so players that can muster a positive VORP after a rookie contract. 2-5 that become All Stars at all and they are heavily slanted to picks 1-6.

handwaving at the two failures doesn't demonstrate anything.

2 major failures these last 5 years is a lot. We're not talking about hyped prospects who failed but two huge reaches/risks out of the blue no one understood who were out of SA after two years... Any other franchise do that and you trash them...

Spurs passed on guys like Haliburton or Maxey too. Then again, it leads to Wemby so I guess those bad picks were retrospectively a good thing. But yeah, spurs have pretty mediocre at drafting these past 5 years.

[tbdog]

^ I know this is just a backdoor way to talk about Miles Bridges. Honestly that guy has been a disappointment this year, and I would be loath to give up any of the ATL picks for him. We already have the 3rd best player on a playoff team: his name is Devin Vassell.

Bridges might have the best contract in the NBA. Johnson and picks might be a starting bid. Spurs might have a top ten D next season if that occurred. Bridges defensive effort dived when his offensive usage increased.

[LeBowen]

Bridges might have the best contract in the NBA. Johnson and picks might be a starting bid. Spurs might have a top ten D next season if that occurred. Bridges defensive effort dived when his offensive usage increased.

While it's obvious that Bridges would be a perfect fit for this roster and he's on an amazing deal, Nets simply won't let him go for anything less than a star player haul.
They won't pick up the phone for anything less than three good first-rounders. If they let him go for cheap, they're more or less done for the foreseeable future.
And he'll be 28 at the start of the next season, so we'd be trading picks for a player who will be out of his prime before Wemby enters his.

That's why I'd rather have cheaper and younger targets like Herb Jones and Naz Reid.

[Bruno]

I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.

[Chinook]

I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.

The Rockets just drafted a PG fourth overall. While I don't think he should stop them from picking BPA, I do think they have that factored into their board. The Spurs should have a chance of grabbing one of Collier, Castle or Dillingham at 8. I don't think they should expect Topic to drop out of the top five. A team would probably trade up if he's the best PG in the class, and given the murkiness of the prospects, I think some team will be willing to make that move. If the Spurs really want him and he's there, it's a happy accident. Otherwise, they should view it as picking between Topic and the other top-five guys and have their 6-15 section of the board set up independently of that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

2 major failures these last 5 years is a lot. We're not talking about hyped prospects who failed but two huge reaches/risks out of the blue no one understood who were out of SA after two years... Any other franchise do that and you trash them...

Spurs passed on guys like Haliburton or Maxey too. Then again, it leads to Wemby so I guess those bad picks were retrospectively a good thing. But yeah, spurs have pretty mediocre at drafting these past 5 years.

Of course, now explain why PATFO are getting their sample size cut in fourths.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know what Brooklyn does at this point. It appears they thought they could be better this year and muddle through, but they didn't. Without any picks this year, how are they getting better? Sean Marks is pretty good at finding decent pieces out of nothing, but they shat the bed with two picks last year (Noah Clowney, Dariq Whitehead).

Unfortunately, their misery is our rival Rockets' gain. Either they sell pieces for promising younger pieces plus worse draft picks than they ones they'll give away or they somehow believe they can find something out of nothing around what they have. The first one is probably the way to go, but yeesh.

[cd98]

They don't own their pick for three more years. A swap next year. No franchise may be in worse shape than they are right now. They have to get talent and/or trade for picks that convey in the next few years.

What's crazy is Houston offered them all of their picks back for Bridges and they said no.

[Mr. Body]

What's crazy is Houston offered them all of their picks back for Bridges and they said no.

I'm not sure this actually happened. Houston was going for him, but not offering their own picks back.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.

The Rockets are also a lock to get Sheppard if he is available. He makes sense to them immensely. Their long term plan is to get Amen Thompson to play PG. But since he is such a bad shooter, pairing him with Sheppard will work wonders for them. Sheppard can also guard PGs while Thompson can do so against SGs and SFs. Dillingham is similarly also a good fit but Sheppard is someone that the Rockets would target.

Conversely if the Nets do badly it is even more incentive for the possibility of their trading Bridges and /or Johnson. So, both outcomes should have some pros from the Spurs' perspective.

[DAF86]

I really don't mind picking 7th or 8th, a good PG prospect will surely be there. My only concern is drafting Risacher with our pick, because the other top 3 prospects (Sarr and and Topic) I really don't like.

Risacher with our pick, Dillingham or Sheppard with the Raptors pick and Chomche with our 2nd round pick. That would be my dream draft.

[LeBowen]

If Spurs really want someone, there are plenty of assets to trade up.
Or trade down if we get the first pick and don't really rate Sarr.

[Dverde]

If Spurs really want someone, there are plenty of assets to trade up.
Or trade down if we get the first pick and don't really rate Sarr.

Spurs really shown they won’t do this with top picks. They’ll just keep the pick and draft whoever they have ranked next best.

[TrainOfThought5]

yeah there was no rebuilding into champions 1997-2014.

…. not sure if serious.

[Brazil]

I really don't mind picking 7th or 8th, a good PG prospect will surely be there. My only concern is drafting Risacher with our pick, because the other top 3 prospects (Sarr and and Topic) I really don't like.

Risacher with our pick, Dillingham or Sheppard with the Raptors pick and Chomche with our 2nd round pick. That would be my dream draft.


Im seeing risacher number one in a lot of mock drafts which is crazy to me. Dude has obviously lots of potential but he is very very raw and too unconsistent to be considered a number one pick. Maybe drafting a French out of LNB is becoming a thing… and

[DAF86]

Im seeing risacher number one in a lot of mock drafts which is crazy to me. Dude has obviously lots of potential but he is very very raw and too unconsistent to be considered a number one pick. Maybe drafting a French out of LNB is becoming a thing… and

Which prospect this year isn't raw and inconsistent, though?

[Brazil]

Which prospect this year isn't raw and inconsistent, though?

don’t get me wrong I agree, I watched bunch of risacher games and if he is becoming a number one consensus or even top 5 dat draft class fucking sucks. I don’t follow enough college bb to say it exists better options tho

[Mr. Body]

don’t get me wrong I agree, I watched bunch of risacher games and if he is becoming a number one consensus or even top 5 dat draft class fucking sucks. I don’t follow enough college bb to say it exists better options tho

Consistently the people who have actually watched him can't generate the highest praise.

[tbdog]

While it's obvious that Bridges would be a perfect fit for this roster and he's on an amazing deal, Nets simply won't let him go for anything less than a star player haul.
They won't pick up the phone for anything less than three good first-rounders. If they let him go for cheap, they're more or less done for the foreseeable future.
And he'll be 28 at the start of the next season, so we'd be trading picks for a player who will be out of his prime before Wemby enters his.

That's why I'd rather have cheaper and younger targets like Herb Jones and Naz Reid.

Yeah, Johnson and picks as the starting. But Spurs are too conservative to buy that big this early in Wemby's career.

[spurraider21]

pelicans running a train on toronto

[onechance87]

pelicans running a train on toronto

they are trash....Fire wright

[TheGreatYacht]

Worst possible night if you’re a Spurs fan, Raps lose and Nets won

[onechance87]

Worst possible night if you’re a Spurs fan, Raps lose and Nets won

Not looking good.Poeltl really a difference maker.I really hope we didnt trade him for a couple of second rounders.
Time well tell i guess.

[Ariel]

Worst possible night if you’re a Spurs fan, Raps lose and Nets won


If Toronto ends up 8th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 73.7% chance of conveying, but a 0% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.
If Toronto ends up 7th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 68% chance of conveying, but a 19.7% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.
If Toronto ends up 6th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 54% chance of conveying, but a 29.8% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.

So basically it depends on whether you prefer a slightly higher chance of conveying (then you want to finish 8th), or a significantly higher chance of maximizing the pick (then you want to finish 6th ), with the happy medium being 7th: almost as good a chance of conveying as 8th (5.7% less), with almost as high a chance of maximizing the pick as 6th.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Toronto ends up 8th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 73.7% chance of conveying, but a 0% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.
If Toronto ends up 7th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 68% chance of conveying, but a 19.7% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.
If Toronto ends up 6th worst (pre-lottery), the pick has a 54% chance of conveying, but a 29.8% chance of ending up with the 7th pick.

So basically it depends on whether you prefer a slightly higher chance of conveying (then you want to finish 8th), or a significantly higher chance of maximizing the pick (then you want to finish 6th ), with the happy medium being 7th: almost as good a chance of conveying as 8th (5.7% less), with almost as high a chance of maximizing the pick as 6th.
Thanks for the info, them staying where they’re at wouldnt be the end of the world. Basketball gods would just be fucking us at that point with 68:32 odds in our favor

[mudyez]

No matter what will happen...we will be the luckiest franchise regarding the draft for like...well...eternity!

[CGD]

I rather see Toronto finishing 7th worst with a worst record than Nets than 8th. Odds to get the pick will drop from 74% to 68% but picking before Rockets(they have Nets pick) is more important to me.

Primary playmakers/ballhandlers like Topic, Dillingham and Collier might drop in this draft and be available with the Toronto pick because they're bad fits with most of the bad teams. Detroit, Charlotte, Blazers and Grizzlies already have an important ball dominant guard. A player like Topic doesn't really fit well with these teams. Spurs and Wizards are the only two bad teams in need of a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

If Toronto finish with a better record than Nets, Rockets will pick before Spurs Raptors pick and Houston could easily go with Topic/Dillingham/Collier. Fred VanVleet isn't their long term answer in that role, he is just a stop gap with only one guaranteed year left on his contract.

I agree with this mapping. It’s why I’m also rooting for WAS to get the first over all pick. My sense is they’ll feel pressured to take Sarr there, taking away our main threat at taking the beat pg of the draft before the spurs pick.

assuming the spurs get both picks, to me the question then is: if Risacher is gone by the time they pick (say 3-5), do they take the next best wing with their natural pick or pull the trigger on the PG to be safe?

[CGD]

I’m not gonna be sad if it fails to convey. It’ll be seen as good trade asset if it rolls over and may improve the chances of the Spurs holding on to the ATL picks.

For example, it could be used as the main hook to try to get Herb Jones.

[Atl Spur]

Toronto rather it convey this year…,, if it doesn’t, no sweat. Our 2025 draft possibilities would be bonkers….

[onechance87]

Toronto rather it convey this year…,, if it doesn’t, no sweat. Our 2025 draft possibilities would be bonkers….

Now why would they want that...Please help me understand that.They can use this pick to draft a player
they like or use it to trade for somebody.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Now why would they want that...Please help me understand that.They can use this pick to draft a player
they like or use it to trade for somebody.

Because if they keep this year’s pick they’ll owe the Spurs their 2025 first top 6 protected and they may feel like they’d rather be done with their obligation in a weaker draft. They don’t project to be significantly better next year. Not saying it’s true but it’s possible that’s their thinking unless they plan to tank super hard the next couple of years, which is unlikely.

[exstatic]

I’m not gonna be sad if it fails to convey. It’ll be seen as good trade asset if it rolls over and may improve the chances of the Spurs holding on to the ATL picks.

For example, it could be used as the main hook to try to get Herb Jones.

The lottery is in May. We’ll know if it conveys long before the draft and its associated trade frenzy. If it conveys this year, it’s very likely 7 or 8. If it doesn’t, it could be anything next year. Last time Toronto was in the lottery, they drafted Scotty Barnes, and jumped to the 6 seed the next year, and their pick was #20. If you want a solid pick and trade bargaining chip, you should absolutely want it to convey this year, while they’re crap.

[onechance87]

Because if they keep this year’s pick they’ll owe the Spurs their 2025 first top 6 protected and they may feel like they’d rather be done with their obligation in a weaker draft. They don’t project to be significantly better next year. Not saying it’s true but it’s possible that’s their thinking unless they plan to tank super hard the next couple of years, which is unlikely.

Why do you think its unlikely they wont be worst next few years...They had siakam and anunoby and still sucked.Now they have a bunch
of roleplayers and no stars.Unless they trade for some stars this offseason,I expect them to tank next season to try to get
draft a star.

[Pauleta14]

It's pretty clear to me that if the pick doesn't convey this year Toronto would be stupid not to hard tank next season considering how 25' draft has franchise players potentials.

It better conveys this year for the Spurs

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why do you think its unlikely they wont be worst next few years...They had siakam and anunoby and still sucked.Now they have a bunch
of roleplayers and no stars.Unless they trade for some stars this offseason,I expect them to tank next season to try to get
draft a star.

Considering the pick protections they’d need to be bottom 2 both in ‘25 and ‘26 to guarantee the pick doesn’t convey. Even if they plan to tank why would they want to be in a position to worry about this when they could be done with the obligation in a bad draft? Again, it’s just a possibility that has a degree of logic to it, that’s all.

[Ariel]

It's pretty clear to me that if the pick doesn't convey this year Toronto would be stupid not to hard tank next season considering how 25' draft has franchise players potentials.

It better conveys this year for the Spurs
I agree that it's better to avoid that risk altogether, but everything Toronto is doing points to them not going for a hard tank: track record, FO statements, already having a player they're building around in Scottie Barnes, trading for Poeltl, re-signing and keeping him, valuing players over picks in the OG to NY trade, trading for Olynyk and extending him, etc. Not saying it can't happen, if they find themselves in this same position by next year's trade deadline they might feel different, but it isn't a given that they will whether you agree or not.

[onechance87]

there is no avoiding it bro...I dont expect our team and memphis to be top 6 worst teams next year.
I can easily see raptors in top 4 worst teams next year.I dont see them being better then the top current
top teams in the east next year.

[Pauleta14]

I agree that it's better to avoid that risk altogether, but everything Toronto is doing points to them not going for a hard tank: track record, FO statements, already having a player they're building around in Scottie Barnes, trading for Poeltl, re-signing and keeping him, valuing players over picks in the OG to NY trade, trading for Olynyk and extending him, etc. Not saying it can't happen, if they find themselves in this same position by next year's trade deadline they might feel different, but it isn't a given that they will whether you agree or not.

I agree. Nothing’s given
+ contrary to Pop their coach actually coaches and make them fight all the time. It’s hard to be top 2 worst team with that type of coach and many promising talents.
we’ll see

[exstatic]

It's pretty clear to me that if the pick doesn't convey this year Toronto would be stupid not to hard tank next season considering how 25' draft has franchise players potentials.

It better conveys this year for the Spurs

Masai isn’t a tanky GM. They were in the lottery in 2021, and selected Barnes. The next year, instead of a multi year tank which would be understandable, they were the #6 seed, and their pick was #20. We made that pick as part of the Thad Young trade , and selected Malakai. They could have kept that pick simply by missing the playoffs, made a lottery pick, then Tanked for Vic in23. They did none of that.

[onechance87]

poeltl just had hand sugerey and will be out,Looks like we never getting the pick

[spurraider21]

It's pretty clear to me that if the pick doesn't convey this year Toronto would be stupid not to hard tank next season considering how 25' draft has franchise players potentials.

It better conveys this year for the Spurs
They won’t be able to full tank. Assuming they re-sign IQ they will have too many solid players to really bottom out barring big injuries. Or something like a Barnes trade which seems unlikely.

[Mr. Body]

With two games separating them, Toronto and Memphis each have twenty games left to go. Memphis has been 3-7 in their last 10 games. With the two recent injuries, Toronto looks much worse than before. Things will go down to the wire.

Tankathon rates only 6 of Toronto's games as being against the top in the league, Memphis as facing 9 games against the top. For Memphis, these include heavy hitters like OKC twice, Denver twice.

Memphis faces seven games against the worst of the league. Unfortunately, these Washington (1), Detroit (2), Charlotte (1).

Toronto faces six games against the worst of the league, including Washington (2), Detroit (1), Portland (1).

Curiously, the Grizzlies face us twice.

(Brooklyn is two games above Toronto and I don't think they catch them.)

The question is whether the Raptors can run out the clock and I don't think they can. Memphis seems oblivious to the fact that they're playing for nothing and ruining their draft stock by one. In the end, it's not a horrible situation, as the pick still has a tick above 50% chance of conveying.

[onechance87]

They won’t be able to full tank. Assuming they re-sign IQ they will have too many solid players to really bottom out barring big injuries. Or something like a Barnes trade which seems unlikely.

And before the season started alot thought they wouldnt be top worst 6 this season.Yet here we are.

[CGD]

The lottery is in May. We’ll know if it conveys long before the draft and its associated trade frenzy. If it conveys this year, it’s very likely 7 or 8. If it doesn’t, it could be anything next year. Last time Toronto was in the lottery, they drafted Scotty Barnes, and jumped to the 6 seed the next year, and their pick was #20. If you want a solid pick and trade bargaining chip, you should absolutely want it to convey this year, while they’re crap.

I’m not as convinced as you are. Teams who may want to trade with the Spurs have had a chance to study this draft enough by now (and internalize its weakness), so it basically comes down to having the right to draft a Filipowski type versus the promise of the unknown.

You talk about a scenario on one side of the spectrum, but the other could also happen with (continued) injuries to key players like Scotty and Jak. The reality is probably in the middle which is probably still a late lotto pick in a draft all the analysts have internalized as far superior.

I think that with a few other things gets you a Herb Jones type.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, missing the second lottery pick this year would suck. We need talent. But we have a very high SRP that may be moved up.

Even losing the Toronto pick next year isn't the worst outcome. I agree that they won't be tremendously shitty and aren't tanking. None of their moves indicate tanking. But if we do lose it, then they'll have two years of good draft picks to add to moves moving into 2026.

We already have two picks next year anyway.

[Atl Spur]

Their star ( Barnes ) wants to win right? If Vic can’t be patient in a rookie season ( per media foolishness ) how could Barnes stomach two years of a full tank? Even if they were middle of the road next year, the quality of players are supposed to be greater.

[Seventyniner]

If the Raptors get the 6th pick and aren't in love with the players available then, I wonder if they would consider trading that pick to the Spurs in return for a minor asset and extinguishing the future obligation. It would basically be removing the top 6 protection, but after the Raptors find out where they pick.

[scott]

If the Raptors get the 6th pick and aren't in love with the players available then, I wonder if they would consider trading that pick to the Spurs in return for a minor asset and extinguishing the future obligation. It would basically be removing the top 6 protection, but after the Raptors find out where they pick.

Chinook and I discussed this earlier in the season and I think there might be something there especially IF Toronto has aspirations to make their picks available to make further trades (otherwise the first pick they can trade is 2028, if they did this, then next season they could trade a '25 if they wanted).

[spurraider21]

And before the season started alot thought they wouldnt be top worst 6 this season.Yet here we are.
yes here we are. after a midseason trade of siakam and injuries to poeltl and barnes

so yes. if they have catastrophic injuries or trade barnes, they could find themselves near the bottom again, like i said

[Mr. Body]

Chinook and I discussed this earlier in the season and I think there might be something there especially IF Toronto has aspirations to make their picks available to make further trades (otherwise the first pick they can trade is 2028, if they did this, then next season they could trade a '25 if they wanted).

Really good point that this pick makes it harder for them to shop other picks. Another reason why they might want it to go out this year.

[TD 21]

I agree with this mapping. It’s why I’m also rooting for WAS to get the first over all pick. My sense is they’ll feel pressured to take Sarr there, taking away our main threat at taking the beat pg of the draft before the spurs pick.

assuming the spurs get both picks, to me the question then is: if Risacher is gone by the time they pick (say 3-5), do they take the next best wing with their natural pick or pull the trigger on the PG to be safe?

I don't know if the Wizards will feel pressure to select Sarr specifically (Topic?), but they are seemingly the least likely bottom feeder to select Risacher.

If the latter scenario occurs, unfortunately I think they'll go Buzelis or Williams over Sheppard with their natural pick.

[CGD]

I don't know if the Wizards will feel pressure to select Sarr specifically (Topic?), but they are seemingly the least likely bottom feeder to select Risacher.

If the latter scenario occurs, unfortunately I think they'll go Buzelis or Williams over Sheppard with their natural pick.

Fair enough. I was assuming that with Deni, Kispert, and Bilal they’d pass on using another resource on a SF, and instead go for a C or PG. And if that’s the case, and they pick #1, that they wouldn’t reach for one of the PGs. But who knows…

[TD 21]

Fair enough. I was assuming that with Deni, Kispert, and Bilal they’d pass on using another resource on a SF, and instead go for a C or PG. And if that’s the case, and they pick #1, that they wouldn’t reach for one of the PGs. But who knows…

Coulibaly is probably the only one that's long for them and it's far too early for them to worry about fit (though if Risacher is as suspected he'll be a universal fit), but they'll probably want a more dynamic player.

[spurraider21]

Coulibaly is probably the only one that's long for them and it's far too early for them to worry about fit (though if Risacher is as suspected he'll be a universal fit), but they'll probably want a more dynamic player.
they just signed Deni to a 4 year extension pretty recently. he's under contract with no outs thru the 27-28 season

[TD 21]

they just signed Deni to a 4 year extension pretty recently. he's under contract with no outs thru the 27-28 season

I'm well aware. He's on a team friendly contract and becoming a young veteran on a team just starting a re-build yet not teeming with draft capital. You do the math.

[onechance87]

memphis lose u fckers

[CGD]

Assuming that NOLA’s salary crunch concerns are real, who says no to this trade:

PEL: 8, 33, & CHA FRP (w/minimal filler)
SAS: Herb Jones & 24

[Mr. Body]

If NO is in a salary crunch why are they trading the very good player on a great salary?

[CGD]

If NO is in a salary crunch why are they trading the very good player on a great salary?

Because they aren’t trading Zion (37M), BI (36M) or CJ (33M), and want to open up space to give Murphy the big extension he’ll command?

[rascal]

Assuming that NOLA’s salary crunch concerns are real, who says no to this trade:

PEL: 8, 33, & CHA FRP (w/minimal filler)
SAS: Herb Jones & 24

Doesn't NO also get the Lakers pick currently 14? I'd rather get Jordan Hawkins and the 14'th pick.

[CGD]

Doesn't NO also get the Lakers pick currently 14? I'd rather get Jordan Hawkins and the 14'th pick.

Yeah, they currently have two FRPs this draft (14, 23). I assumed they wouldn’t want a 3rd, which is why my proposal gives them a little more value for Herb with the CHA pick but also allows Spurs to keep a second FRP this draft by basically upgrading 33 for 23 (aka the Thad Young).

[rascal]

Yeah, they currently have two FRPs this draft (14, 23). I assumed they wouldn’t want a 3rd, which is why my proposal gives them a little more value for Herb with the CHA pick but also allows Spurs to keep a second FRP this draft by basically upgrading 33 for 23 (aka the Thad Young).

The 14 pick could have some value, the 23 has little value.

[Mr. Body]

Because they aren’t trading Zion (37M), BI (36M) or CJ (33M), and want to open up space to give Murphy the big extension he’ll command?

They aren't trading Herb Jones. Yall believing garbage but have fun.

[objective]

Another win for Memphis, ouch

[Mr. Body]

Whoa, what was that lineup for Philadelphia? They were playing Cam Payne a lot of minutes.

Memphis plays really well for their roster.

[onechance87]

just shows what a shit roster wright has rn.

[Atl Spur]

Assuming that NOLA’s salary crunch concerns are real, who says no to this trade:

PEL: 8, 33, & CHA FRP (w/minimal filler)
SAS: Herb Jones & 24

No thank you

[Mitch Cumsteen]

They aren't trading Herb Jones. Yall believing garbage but have fun.

No kidding. If they are going to unload anyone for cap relief, I'd imagine it's Murphy. Jones is locked up at a bargain of ~$13.5 per for the next three seasons and Murphy is going to command a pretty good number after next year.

[exstatic]

No kidding. If they are going to unload anyone for cap relief, I'd imagine it's Murphy. Jones is locked up at a bargain of ~$13.5 per for the next three seasons and Murphy is going to command a pretty good number after next year.

:lol. Trey Murphy is making a whopping $3.3M. It doesn’t matter what he WILL be making, because that doesn’t relieve your current problems. If you sign him to that next deal, you’ve only compounded the issue. That $3.3M is not a lot of 2nd apron relief.

[CGD]

^ exactly, they only have so many ways to shred the salary their ownership seems keen on doing. They’re stuck with CJs figure ($33), not sure Nance (11M) has positive value these days, and I suspect they’d roll the dice on seeing if, at half the cost, Dyson can do 85% what Herb does.

There was definitely smoke around this at the trade deadline.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Am I missing something or reading it wrong? The tax line is projected at $172 million next season. The Pels are at $148 million in salary not including Valanciunas. With his cap hold of $23 million (assuming he re-signs around that number), they would still be right below the line and $18 million under the second apron.

[Mr. Body]

Grizzlies pounding the crap out of Atlanta early game. This team of scrubs would have won the championship if they started the year with these guys. :lol

[objective]

Am I missing something or reading it wrong? The tax line is projected at $172 million next season. The Pels are at $148 million in salary not including Valanciunas. With his cap hold of $23 million (assuming he re-signs around that number), they would still be right below the line and $18 million under the second apron.

Why assume JV gets 23 million when he's only making 15.4 now at 31 years old and 25 mpg?

[TXstbobcat]

Dejonte with a monster game against the Griz!

[Atl Spur]

Dejonte with a monster game against the Griz!

Great deal!!!

[Mr. Body]

Tomorrow Toronto gets Portland, who plays tonight. A chance to get one of those Ws back.

[TXstbobcat]

Tomorrow Toronto gets Portland, who plays tonight. A chance to get one of those Ws back.

Next Memphis game is at OKC.

[TD 21]

Am I missing something or reading it wrong? The tax line is projected at $172 million next season. The Pels are at $148 million in salary not including Valanciunas. With his cap hold of $23 million (assuming he re-signs around that number), they would still be right below the line and $18 million under the second apron.

Valanciunas will be lucky to get the $15.4M he's making now and the Pelicans have been trying to replace him with an athletic rim runner for a while.

Jones and Nance Jr. for Allen could make sense.

[Bruno]

Raptors have 23 wins.
The 5th worst team (Portland) has 17 wins and the 9th worst team (Houston/Utah) has 28 wins.

It's quite safe to say that Raptors will finish as the 6th to 8th worst team in the league and won't make the play in.

Spurs have a 54% to 74% odd of getting a pick that will likely be between 7th and 9th. Not bad, not bad... :smokin

[Thomas82]

Raptors have 23 wins.
The 5th worst team (Portland) has 17 wins and the 9th worst team (Houston/Utah) has 28 wins.

It's quite safe to say that Raptors will finish as the 6th to 8th worst team in the league and won't make the play in.

Spurs have a 54% to 74% odd of getting a pick that will likely be between 7th and 9th. Not bad, not bad... :smokin

It's definitely not bad when you consider the fact that Poeltl was the #9 pick in his draft.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Raptors have 23 wins.
The 5th worst team (Portland) has 17 wins and the 9th worst team (Houston/Utah) has 28 wins.

It's quite safe to say that Raptors will finish as the 6th to 8th worst team in the league and won't make the play in.

Spurs have a 54% to 74% odd of getting a pick that will likely be between 7th and 9th. Not bad, not bad... :smokin

Nice! I know it’s not the deepest draft but I’ll take it

[KingKev]

Dejonte with a monster game against the Griz!

Spurs legend Dejounte Murray!!! 6/10 from 3 also!

[Mr. Body]

You'd really hope the Raptors can take care of the Blazers today. The notably 'winnable' games this week for the Grizzlies are the Wizards and Hornets. The only 'winnable' tier game the Raptors have mid-week is the Pistons.

[BatManu20]

14 of the next 20 games for the Raps are against teams with winning records. They're about to start dropping a ton of games tbh.

[Mr. Body]

14 of the next 20 games for the Raps are against teams with winning records. They're about to start dropping a ton of games tbh.

Grizzlies face 12.

[BackHome]

Let's be honest this is the time that ALL teams not close to making the play in are going to be positioning themselves to have the best pick possible. So that means sitting vets and letting backups and rookies get the majority of playing time and it's more about trying out new players and schemes then winning any games.

[Mr. Body]

Let's be honest this is the time that ALL teams not close to making the play in are going to be positioning themselves to have the best pick possible. So that means sitting vets and letting backups and rookies get the majority of playing time and it's more about trying out new players and schemes then winning any games.

I mean, yeah, but the Grizzlies are doing this and playing extremely well. They don't seem to care about their pick at all.

[onechance87]

scoot,ayton and grant gonna return to play raptors tonight it seems

[Atl Spur]

Good times! Exciting times ahead

[duncan2150]

scoot,ayton and grant gonna return to play raptors tonight it seems

Grant is out but ayton and scoot are probable tonight

[Splits]

Nice win by the whorenets tonight

[Rubberducky]

How did that ball not go in? lmao

Overtime for Toronto, they fought back late.

[BatManu20]

God the Raptors are dog shit. Just awful to watch. This team isn’t going to win many games the rest of the season.

[Rubberducky]

Coach Darko subbed in McDaniels, someone who shouldn't be in the NBA, to play for overtime. Dude promptly tanked the game.

[Mr. Body]

The loss of Poeltl and Barnes probably doomed the pick. Unless Memphis realizes they don't need to win games, I now expect them to end with a better record. That would give the Spurs around a 53% chance at the pick or whatever it is.

[scott]

The loss of Poeltl and Barnes probably doomed the pick. Unless Memphis realizes they don't need to win games, I now expect them to end with a better record. That would give the Spurs around a 53% chance at the pick or whatever it is.

Not too much incentive for TOR to try and win from this point forward, but a coin flip's chance at the maximum payoff for the TOR pick is still a pretty nice threading of the needle on this trade, I'll take it! However, if it does not convey I think it may be best to try to include that TOR pick in some trade package (even if to just kick the pick down the road, though I'd prefer a useful player now). The glut of picks almost demands it.

[TrainOfThought5]

I want that second top ten pick BAD. we need that infusion of young talent surrounding Victor. I can See Risacher and Dillingham now transforming this team with Tre Jones and Keldon Johnson off the bench, with Patty Mills player-coaching during the timeouts.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah I guess we won't get the pick unless there's some movement in the lottery where they somehow end up out of the top 6. I also really want the pick to convey so we can draft an SF and a PG

[exstatic]

The odds for the pick to convey drop if Toronto climbs to #6, but, counterintuitively, the odds to get pick #7 CLIMB if they end at #6.

#6 position

Pick conveys 53ish percent
Pick conveys at #7 29.8%

#7 position

Pick conveys 68ish percent
Pick conveys at #7 19.7%

[onechance87]

Not too much incentive for TOR to try and win from this point forward, but a coin flip's chance at the maximum payoff for the TOR pick is still a pretty nice threading of the needle on this trade, I'll take it! However, if it does not convey I think it may be best to try to include that TOR pick in some trade package (even if to just kick the pick down the road, though I'd prefer a useful player now). The glut of picks almost demands it.

Nobody gonna trade a good player for pick that most likely wont convey...This year was the best chance to.
They will be trash the next few years,i expect them to be worst next year then tank again to get their pick in
a better draft.

[JPB]

I want that second top ten pick BAD. we need that infusion of young talent surrounding Victor. I can See Risacher and Dillingham now transforming this team with Tre Jones and Keldon Johnson off the bench, with Patty Mills player-coaching during the timeouts.

Tre and Keldon would still be better than Risacher and Dillingham the next 2 or 3 years, assuming the last 2 actuallly pan out in the NBA... Risacher and Dilly wouldn't "tranform" this team their first season, they'd still be young rookies with everything to learn about the NBA and the growing pains coming with... Not every rookie is Wemby.

[onechance87]

Tre and Keldon would still be better than Risacher and Dillingham the next 2 or 3 years, assuming the last 2 actuallly pan out in the NBA... Risacher and Dilly wouldn't "tranform" this team their first season, they'd still be young rookies with everything to learn about the NBA and the growing pains coming with... Not every rookie is Wemby.

cap on tre...guy cant shoot,average defender and average playmaker

[CGD]

Nobody gonna trade a good player for pick that most likely wont convey...This year was the best chance to.
They will be trash the next few years,i expect them to be worst next year then tank again to get their pick in
a better draft.

TOR is a confusing as hell team. All their recent moves suggest they have zero interest in being bad any time soon, and honestly a healthy version of their current roster is not a bottom 6 team next year. As a fan with a stake in their pick I think this is great, but if I was a fan of theirs I’d be annoyed as hell.

[onechance87]

TOR is a confusing as hell team. All their recent moves suggest they have zero interest in being bad any time soon, and honestly a healthy version of their current roster is not a bottom 6 team next year. As a fan with a stake in their pick I think this is great, but if I was a fan of theirs I’d be annoyed as hell.

i mean there is no way this is a playoff team with no stars on this team.They had anunoby and siakam this season and
still werent in playoff contention.Now they have nobody,And you cant see them in top 6 worst team next year?

[Mr. Body]

A healthy Toronto isn't exactly terrible. More importantly, they have a direction and that's important.

If they keep their pick this year, they will have a 1-6 pick AND Indiana's pick. The Pacers are at 15 and the play-in. They just lost Mathurin and aren't really playing great. If they lose the play-in they'll be in the lottery.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I guess we won't get the pick unless there's some movement in the lottery where they somehow end up out of the top 6. I also really want the pick to convey so we can draft an SF and a PG
If they wind up 6th it still gives us a bit more than a 50% chance of securing the pick

[scott]

Nobody gonna trade a good player for pick that most likely wont convey...This year was the best chance to.
They will be trash the next few years,i expect them to be worst next year then tank again to get their pick in
a better draft.
Ariel has posted tremendous analysis of the odds of the pick conveying if it does not convey this year, and unless TOR goes hard tank mode, the odds are still heavily in favor of it conveying. Saying "it likely won't convey" is prematurely pessimistic, IMO, unless you truly believe they will hard tank - which their moves don't necessarily suggest but you never know.

Anyway, I'd imagine the pick moved as part of a package - not a single pick for a single player.

[Atl Spur]

I want knecht with that Toronto pick. That’s all

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I want that second top ten pick BAD. we need that infusion of young talent surrounding Victor. I can See Risacher and Dillingham now transforming this team with Tre Jones and Keldon Johnson off the bench, with Patty Mills player-coaching during the timeouts.

Getting to top 10 rookies and packaging some later picks for a quality vet sounds like a plan. I like your thinking.

[Knoxxx]

The nice part about getting the Raptors pick would be if the player was a bust, we could say well it was sort of a free pick we didn’t even count on getting. I been thinking for a while now, it may be now or never on this pick since TOR looks like a full blown rebuild to me.

[onechance87]

The nice part about getting the Raptors pick would be if the player was a bust, we could say well it was sort of a free pick we didn’t even count on getting. I been thinking for a while now, it may be now or never on this pick since TOR looks like a full blown rebuild to me.

it wasint a free pick tho...We traded a top center for it.

[TD 21]

The Spurs should have contacted the league over the All-Star break and told them to expect egregious tanking from this shameless franchise.

Despite their best efforts to be a treadmill team, that team is bad enough to be in the bottom 5 or thereabouts the following few years and their front office has job security to see it through.

That's why if it doesn't convey this year and the Spurs are looking to make a significant trade, it should be included.

[Atl Spur]

The Spurs should have contacted the league over the All-Star break and told them to expect egregious tanking from this shameless franchise.

Despite their best efforts to be a treadmill team, that team is bad enough to be in the bottom 5 or thereabouts the following few years and their front office has job security to see it through.

That's why if it doesn't convey this year and the Spurs are looking to make a significant trade, it should be included.
Hmmmm… Scottie Barnes won’t allow it.

[rascal]

I want knecht with that Toronto pick. That’s all

Just take Cam Spencer in the 2nd round if you want a shooter who will come off the bench.

[scott]

Hmmmm… Scottie Barnes won’t allow it.

Yeah, if TOR is going to hard tank for the next two years (after this one), you'd think it would be in their best interest to move Barnes. He is going to be rookie extension eligible this offseason, but because of his injury (and performance this year) he is highly unlikely to qualify for the designated rookie extension. So if TOR hard tanks next year and the year after, Barnes will have 3 years left on his extension (unless they don't extend him and do an Ayton/Kawhi like salary cap game... which hasn't really worked out all that well for teams that have done it). Seems like a tough use of 3 prime Scottie Barnes years and they'd be better off moving him for a bag (much like the Spurs did with DJM). What they do with Barnes will be a big clue as to what direction they are headed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Spurs should have contacted the league over the All-Star break and told them to expect egregious tanking from this shameless franchise.

Despite their best efforts to be a treadmill team, that team is bad enough to be in the bottom 5 or thereabouts the following few years and their front office has job security to see it through.

That's why if it doesn't convey this year and the Spurs are looking to make a significant trade, it should be included.

Spurs getting a top pick certainly bothers you. We have an excellent shot to be top 3 and top 2 leads to at least an even shot at getting Risacher.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the Spurs got the top pick two years in a row?

[BackHome]

Toronto is not going for a hard tank they actually made some decent trades it's just right now the injury bug has hit two of there starters so of course they are loosing.

[RC_Drunkford]

If they wind up 6th it still gives us a bit more than a 50% chance of securing the pick

I know, there's just not a lot of shuffling going on in reality though. Usually one team outside of the top 5 jumps into the top 5 and that's about it.

[Cabrito]

It’s not an awful thing for us to not get the Toronto pick this year. We can only carry so many 19 year olds on our team. We have three likely slots open at a minimum: Osman, Graham and Mamu. It could be more depending on what we do with Bassey, Champ, and Barlow. We could see all three back but Bassey and Champ could be a gone depending on acquisitions and their non guaranteed contracts. It would be nice to continue to see the growth of Barlow as a Spur.

[LeBowen]

There's no way Raptors will be top6 in both 2025 and 2026.
And if they're planning to tank, they'll definitely let us have this year's pick for a couple of second rounders to remove protection or whatever.
Unless there's a player they really want to draft and they get a top5 pick.

[TD 21]

Spurs getting a top pick certainly bothers you. We have an excellent shot to be top 3 and top 2 leads to at least an even shot at getting Risacher.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the Spurs got the top pick two years in a row?

:lmao At being too caught up in your schtick to realize who this post is about.

[mystargtr34]

So is this Raptors pick a top 6 protected first rounder in 2025 AND 2026 aswell? So spurs have 2 more cracks at it if it doesn’t convey this year?

[duncan2150]

So is this Raptors pick a top 6 protected first rounder in 2025 AND 2026 aswell? So spurs have 2 more cracks at it if it doesn’t convey this year?

YES

[CGD]

i mean there is no way this is a playoff team with no stars on this team.They had anunoby and siakam this season and
still werent in playoff contention.Now they have nobody,And you cant see them in top 6 worst team next year?

I don’t need them in the playoffs, just better than 6th worst. I can absolutely see them in the 7-12 range next season, probably with equal or slightly better odds than them being bottom 6. Before Scotty and Jak went down, we were wondering if they were starting to get TOO close to the play-in.

[onechance87]

I don’t need them in the playoffs, just better than 6th worst. I can absolutely see them in the 7-12 range next season, probably with equal or slightly better odds than them being bottom 6. Before Scotty and Jak went down, we were wondering if they were starting to get TOO close to the play-in.

Thats the thing,If there not good enough to make the playoffs.You better expect teams to go full tank including raps.
Your getting potential superstar players like flagg and maluach and others coming in next years draft.There not
gonna be ok with them getting a 8th pick going to us getting a potential star in next year draft and them missing out.

[Knoxxx]

it wasint a free pick tho...We traded a top center for it.

An impending free agent center that didn’t fit into the plan, at least according to the conventional wisdom on here that no player without an outside shot should be on the floor in today’s NBA. Sounds like we took what we could get which wasn’t going to be a lot, but possibly a free spin on a first round prospect.

That said, I still like Edey if he landed at our #33 pick this year.

[TekXX]

Raptors are going to have to outtank a lot of teams next year including....huh....the Spurs....yet again. All these two year deals this past off season make sense now.

[onechance87]

Raptors are going to have to outtank a lot of teams next year including....huh....the Spurs....yet again. All these two year deals this past off season make sense now.

there is no way wemby accepts that.If they run this shit back again.Hes embrassed of himself getting drafted and
yet the team got worse some how.We cant have this tension build with wemby and players and media after this shit show of a season
going thru this shit again.

[CGD]

Thats the thing,If there not good enough to make the playoffs.You better expect teams to go full tank including raps.
Your getting potential superstar players like flagg and maluach and others coming in next years draft.There not
gonna be ok with them getting a 8th pick going to us getting a potential star in next year draft and them missing out.

That’s what’s made the Raptors so confounding. They’re done exactly the opposite of that in recent years, where they probably should have bottomed out. They do things like giving Jak a big pay day, extending Olynk in recent weeks, sign up for $80 of Barrett, and, just watch, overpay IQ this summer.

[Mr. Body]

Just repeating the same stuff over and over:

- Raptors are not tanking, they are soft rebuilding
- Tanking is generally an awful idea, as in losing games purely to try to get a top pick. Just because it somehow worked for us doesn't make it a good idea.

[onechance87]

That’s what’s made the Raptors so confounding. They’re done exactly the opposite of that in recent years, where they probably should have bottomed out. They do things like giving Jak a big pay day, extending Olynk in recent weeks, sign up for $80 of Barrett, and, just watch, overpay IQ this summer.

And yet here they are.Not even trying to tank this season,On there way to one of the worst
teams this season.Cant be making injury excuses,Other teams are injured like miami
new york cleveland philly and still in contention for the playoffs.

[Harry Callahan]

Last time I checked, Washington and Detroit are still in the Eastern Conference. I don't think the lottery will keep Toronto in the top six each of the next three drafts. The Spurs could still have three or four FRPs next year with Atlanta, Chicago, Toronto, and SA if the TOR 2024 FRP stays with Toronto.

The Spurs will turn some of these many many picks into veteran players in the next two years.

[Harry Callahan]

SA could still turn the #33 or 34 pick into a pick outside of the lottery by using some of the 15 or 16 SRPs coming on line in coming drafts.

[onechance87]

SA could still turn the #33 or 34 pick into a pick outside of the lottery by using some of the 15 or 16 SRPs coming on line in coming drafts.

they aint gonna do shit except sale those second rounders for cash.

[Harry Callahan]

they aint gonna do shit except sale those second rounders for cash.

Really? They are going to sell (Sail, sale?) all of their SRPs for cash. Interesting.......

[Splits]

The Spurs could still have three or four FRPs next year with Atlanta, Chicago, Toronto, and SA if the TOR 2024 FRP stays with Toronto.

Technically 5 with the CHA pick

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao At being too caught up in your schtick to realize who this post is about.

well given that my schtick is to point out stupid shit that people say and 'who this is about' is irrelevant to that, I await your explanation of this nonsense.

Before that post you were telling us that there was no way we were getting the top pick. This of course was also stupid because with our record we enjoy the highest possible probability of getting the first pick.

and then you were just telling us we should be ashamed of tanking.

i await more stupidity.

[4lifecowboy]

Disagree we went for the soft rebuild after the Kawhi ordeal, where did that get us?
Meanwhile 3 tanked seasons got us 3 cornerstones.

[Ariel]

and then you were just telling us we should be ashamed of tanking.
He was talking about the Raptors, that's why he added "if it doesn't convey this year and the Spurs are looking to make a significant trade, it should be included".

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was talking about the Raptors, that's why he added "if it doesn't convey this year and the Spurs are looking to make a significant trade, it should be included".

that is fair. him saying we are not going to get a top pick led me to make a poor assumption about the next post.

[CGD]

And yet here they are.Not even trying to tank this season,On there way to one of the worst
teams this season.Cant be making injury excuses,Other teams are injured like miami
new york cleveland philly and still in contention for the playoffs.

Come on man, the injuries are the reason dude. No other way around it. They’re not the same after their best player went down, say nothing of Jak being out.

[TD 21]

:lmao Here we go. Now conveniently almost every legit NBA player (save Barrett, who was questionable and Olynyk) are out.

I'm telling you, they're going to do everything in their power for this pick to eventually turn into two 2nds.

The league is stuck between a rock and a hard place: Throw their buddies a life jacket again as they flail helplessly in deep waters or help their GOAT caliber prospect.

[TrainOfThought5]

Disagree we went for the soft rebuild after the Kawhi ordeal, where did that get us?
Meanwhile 3 tanked seasons got us 3 cornerstones.

1.5 cornerstones, but whose counting.

[rascal]

:lmao Here we go. Now conveniently almost every legit NBA player (save Barrett, who was questionable and Olynyk) are out.

I'm telling you, they're going to do everything in their power for this pick to eventually turn into two 2nds.

The league is stuck between a rock and a hard place: Throw their buddies a life jacket again as they flail helplessly in deep waters or help their GOAT caliber prospect.

Like I've said all along. Look for Toronto to tank down the stretch and try to get into the fifth slot. Everyone is out

Can they stay ahead of Portland. It's going to come down to how bad Portland tanks.

[exstatic]

Like I've said all along. Look for Toronto to tank down the stretch and try to get into the fifth slot. Everyone is out

Can they stay ahead of Portland. It's going to come down to how bad Portland tanks.
They’re not going to get to 5. Some of the Tanking Five have been winning the odd game here and there as the team ahead of them wins one, but that shit stops cold if Toronto does start the tank.

[Mugen]

:lol Toronto has already started the tank

[onechance87]

:lol Toronto has already started the tank

Thats not who they are tho

[scott]

I count 5 winnable games left on TOR's schedule DET, @WAS, BKY, WAS, @BKY). Will really depend on whether DET and WAS feel confident enough to add some wins to the the total (they should be), and what BKY is doing, though they have zero incentive to tank since HOU has their pick. These could all easily be losses for TOR.

Meanwhile, I count 6 winnable games for MEM (WAS, CHA, @SA, DET, DET, SA). Memphis doesn't seem to have any regard for draft position, though they should. It is looking more and more like TOR will finish 6th and it'll be down to a coin's flip in terms of odds of getting the pick this year.

[Mr. Body]

Drat that Toronto for injuring their players! Why isn't this bigger news?

[exstatic]

I count 5 winnable games left on TOR's schedule DET, @WAS, BKY, WAS, @BKY). Will really depend on whether DET and WAS feel confident enough to add some wins to the the total (they should be), and what BKY is doing, though they have zero incentive to tank since HOU has their pick. These could all easily be losses for TOR.

Meanwhile, I count 6 winnable games for MEM (WAS, CHA, @SA, DET, DET, SA). Memphis doesn't seem to have any regard for draft position, though they should. It is looking more and more like TOR will finish 6th and it'll be down to a coin's flip in terms of odds of getting the pick this year.

If your win scenario plays out, it will literally come down to a coin flip to determine who is 6 and who is 7, since they’ll be tied.

[scott]

If your win scenario plays out, it will literally come down to a coin flip to determine who is 6 and who is 7, since they’ll be tied.

Yeah, if the win all their winnable games... but I handicap better odds that MEM finishes +2 or better than TOR to close out the season. Anything can happen, but unless MEM starts caring about draft position I feel confident TOR will finish 6th.

Also, apologies to the poster named DET. I wasn't trying to tag you, I was trying to denote @ Detroit. :lol

[Rubberducky]

Gradey Dick is the longest tenured Raptor available for tonight. Yikes.

[scott]

Gradey Dick is the longest tenured Raptor available for tonight. Yikes.

And that Raps are up 18 halfway through the third. This league is wild.

[exstatic]

And that Raps are up 18 halfway through the third. This league is wild.

Hopefully, they go full on Memphis, beating teams with minimal personnel.

[scott]

Hopefully, they go full on Memphis, beating teams with minimal personnel.

They've completely blown that big lead, Denver is charging... I doubt TOR can hold on, but we'll see!

[scott]

Yeah, this one has completely gotten away from the Raps. Down 5 now, on the way to losing by 15.

[onechance87]

fck u raptors

[Ariel]

Well, watching the lineups that Toronto had on the floor for much of the 3rd and 4th quarter, I think the tank is on. Buckle up guys, we're in for a bumpy ride.

[onechance87]

Come on man, the injuries are the reason dude. No other way around it. They’re not the same after their best player went down, say nothing of Jak being out.

They sat sum good players today buddy...Dont tell me they aint trying to tank,When they still got a chance to make the play in.
So expect them to do this next year as well.Unless yall dumbass believe they gonna be in the playoffs next year.
We aint getting that pick.Wright got fleeced once again.

[TD 21]

:lmao Another bigot with an agenda.

No matter how the pick turns out, the potential value of it (a mid lottery pick from a then fringe playoff team for a role player at an over saturated position) automatically makes it a great trade.

[baseline bum]

Gradey Dick is the longest tenured Raptor available for tonight. Yikes.


And that Raps are up 18 halfway through the third. This league is wild.


They've completely blown that big lead, Denver is charging... I doubt TOR can hold on, but we'll see!

Apparently Dick couldn't finish; another soft performance.

[TrainOfThought5]

there is no way wemby accepts that.If they run this shit back again.Hes embrassed of himself getting drafted and
yet the team got worse some how.We cant have this tension build with wemby and players and media after this shit show of a season
going thru this shit again.

the hawks are one Trae young knee injury away from the high lottery pick, which should belong to us next year. And I think we also have a top ten protected pick to Chicago.

[JPB]

the hawks are one Trae young knee injury away from the high lottery pick, which should belong to us next year. And I think we also have a top ten protected pick to Chicago.

OK, but then what?

And I'm not sure on relying on a player's hypothetical knee injury is that brilliant of a strategy.

[exstatic]

They sat sum good players today buddy...Dont tell me they aint trying to tank,When they still got a chance to make the play in.
So expect them to do this next year as well.Unless yall dumbass believe they gonna be in the playoffs next year.
We aint getting that pick.Wright got fleeced once again.

What chance do they have to play in? Both Poeltl and Barnes are out for the year.

[TVI]

They played Denver tight last night, but couldn’t sustain the whole game.

[Splits]

Apparently Dick couldn't finish; another soft performance.

bend over, I'll give you a Dick that can finish

[slick'81]

Rapotors know what the fck they're doing

[rascal]

Rapotors know what the fck they're doing

Yep, they are trying to dive into that 5th position to better their odds. Not saying they make it to 5 but doubt they fall below the 6th worst.
It's going to come down to lottery luck for the spurs. With some luck the Spurs still get the pick at 7.

It wll be an exciting lottery draw watch for Spurs fans.

[lennycooke]

bend over, I'll give you a Dick that can finish

How classy

[onechance87]

need memphis to lose tonight.They play washinton tho.So they will tie up raptors for the 6th seed if they win.

[duncan2150]

need memphis to lose tonight.They play washinton tho.So they will tie up raptors for the 6th seed if they win.

JJJ out tonight vs the wizz

[Splits]

How classy

and this is how you chose to use one of your bi-annual posts. thank you for your contribution, now go fuck your mother some more

[buttsR4rebounding]

and this is how you chose to use one of your bi-annual posts. thank you for your contribution, now go fuck your mother some more

C’mon, Splits he posts semi-annually…

[TrainOfThought5]

JJJ out tonight vs the wizz


the basketball gods are still smiling down upon us

[TXstbobcat]

Wizards not helping us tonight against Memphis

[onechance87]

Fire wright

[TheGreatYacht]

That pick is gone lol

Raptors aren’t even hiding the tank anymore. Grizzlies coach is a top 3 coach in the league, so there’s no fucking chance they win less games than Toronto even with the g league team they’ve been trotting out nightly.

[BacktoBasics]

Fire wright

Why do you people say stupid shit like this. It makes this place unbearable.

[onechance87]

Since wright likes to overpay,He needs to overpay immanuel quickley from the raptors if hes not going to trade for young
using this pick that may never convey.

[onechance87]

Why do you people say stupid shit like this. It makes this place unbearable.

And why not...These overpaid contracts hes given out and players hes drafted have been shitty the
last few years.

[Atl Spur]

Why do you people say stupid shit like this. It makes this place unbearable.

They seek attention….

[Splits]

big night tonight, might have to parlay TOR+ORL+MEM

[Splits]

Wizards not helping us tonight against Memphis

Ummmm I think you have it backwards. MEM winning is a huge positive for the TOR pick

[exstatic]

Ummmm I think you have it backwards. MEM winning is a huge positive for the TOR pick

Nope. Memphis is currently 6th, but on a tear. Every win brings them closer to swapping 6/7 with Toronto, and cutting our pick odds. 7th is like ~68%, 6th is like ~53%. You have it backwards.

Strangely enough, Toronto moving to 6 gives us the best odds at just pick #7, ~29%.

[BacktoBasics]

And why not...These overpaid contracts hes given out and players hes drafted have been shitty the
last few years.

Other than Collins we don’t have terribly bad contracts.

Please redraft for us

[onechance87]

hopefully they dont sit iq and trent jr once again so they can have a chance tonight against the pistons.

[onechance87]

Other than Collins we don’t have terribly bad contracts.

Please redraft for us

Think keldon and vassell are overpaid with there contracts for players that dont fit with wemby.There are players better drafted after
sochan,vassell,primo and so on.

[TXstbobcat]

Ummmm I think you have it backwards. MEM winning is a huge positive for the TOR pick

at this point if you want the best odds of the pick going to the spurs then you want Memphis losses and Toronto wins.

[BacktoBasics]

Think keldon and vassell are overpaid with there contracts for players that dont fit with wemby.There are players better drafted after
sochan,vassell,primo and so on.

Those are not overpaid contracts. Not only that but it’s disingenuous to say that a contract they signed prior to Wemby reflects an overpay for a bad fit. He wasn’t on the team.

Vassell is on a good contract. He’s a legit 3rd option that can step up on any given night.

Keldon was a late pick and he’s worked out better than most late 1sts.

You’re just a whiner.

[scott]

Just my opinion... I think Keldon is on a very good contract, even if he isn't the right player for this team. Devin's contract is yet TBD. If he improves the way I think he will with a more competent team around him, then it will turn out a pretty good contract. If the team fails to put a more coherent offensive game plan together and he is continually forced into this chucker mode... then it's going to look bad, but I'm not sure it will matter that much because we'll be terrible and there will be a lot of larger questions to answer. Let's hope we don't get there.

[onechance87]

Those are not overpaid contracts. Not only that but it’s disingenuous to say that a contract they signed prior to Wemby reflects an overpay for a bad fit. He wasn’t on the team.

Vassell is on a good contract. He’s a legit 3rd option that can step up on any given night.

Keldon was a late pick and he’s worked out better than most late 1sts.

You’re just a whiner.

We could of waited to give vassell that money...Hes getting paid money to be the first option not third option.Hes never
been a allstar and i dont think he ever will be.Yea im whining about questionable decisions that can effect our future.

[Sugus]

We could of waited to give vassell that money...Hes getting paid money to be the first option not third option.Hes never
been a allstar and i dont think he ever will be.Yea im whining about questionable decisions that can effect our future.

Devin Vassell is not getting paid like a first option, nor to be one. He simply is not.

[TD 21]

You’re just a whiner.

Worse, he's a bigot who just like the others isn't interested in hearing the fact that I've repeatedly stated, which is that the GM is not the lead decision maker.

Anyone with common sense and objectivity would know this is at minimum what Pop himself alluded to yesterday, which is a collaborative effort.

[exstatic]

We could of waited to give vassell that money...Hes getting paid money to be the first option not third option.Hes never
been a allstar and i dont think he ever will be.Yea im whining about questionable decisions that can effect our future.
I don’t know if you pay attention to NBA contracts at all, but that’s not first option money. First option money is now $50M+, and it will soon be over $60M.

[onechance87]

Worse, he's a bigot who just like the others isn't interested in hearing the fact that I've repeatedly stated, which is that the GM is not the lead decision maker.

Anyone with common sense and objectivity would know this is at minimum what Pop himself alluded to yesterday, which is a collaborative effort.

Will if somebody gotta be fired,Who is it gonna be pop,buford and wright together?If wright is the fall guy,Lets get rid of him
already cause the future aint looking to good with this core.Looks like these young guys gonna need 3 or 4 years to develop
if anything thing.Doubt wemby has the patience to wait that long

[TD 21]

The league needs to start hammering teams in the lottery who tank to avoid or delay picks conveying.

These clowns should end up 7th, both so that they can suffer the indignity of the worst possible outcome numerically and for not seeing their shamelessness rewarded.