Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[jjspur]

we get 1 more shot at it next season and then it becomes 2 2nd rounders. Unlikely to convey so not much trade value.

Might as well trade it or combine it with other picks, we have a ton of 2nd rounders from other trades.

[exstatic]

Might as well trade it or combine it with other picks, we have a ton of 2nd rounders from other trades.

I was thinking you could slip it into a trade with maybe the Chicago pick, and the team could say they got two firsts.

[jjspur]

I was thinking you could slip it into a trade with maybe the Chicago pick, and the team could say they got two firsts.

Now if only the spurs front office would think like that. Excellent idea for this off season. Memo to Brian Wright Re Trade Ideas

[The Truth #6]

Assuming we are better next year, we are less likely to be as far beneath them in the standings, making it easier for them to get a better seeding. So yeah, this year is more realistic, arguably.

[exstatic]

Portland and Charlotte play tonight, and one of them has to win. Do they try to sneak their gleague teams on the floor?

[objective]

Assuming we are better next year, we are less likely to be as far beneath them in the standings, making it easier for them to get a better seeding. So yeah, this year is more realistic, arguably.

Memphis also with a healthy Morant

Maybe if Atlanta blow it up by trading both Young and Murray and go full tank. Same with the Bulls moving on from DeRozan and losing Patrick Williams in free agency with more declines in Vucevic ....

But otherwise Toronto is looking good for bottom 6 record even without aggressive tanking

[BatManu20]

Bucks just lost to the Grizzlies tonight after losing to the Wizards on Monday lol

D:lolc Rivers

[onechance87]

bucks are a joke

[rascal]

Toronto lost by 48

[onechance87]

Toronto lost by 48

expect this next year

[spurs1990]

Toronto tank makes Dallas Detroit and charlotte last year look mild

[rascal]

expect this next year

Spurs better hope they get lucky and get that pick this year. They will pull the plug on the season earlier next year.

They are no where near a playoff team next year so they'll have reason again to tank next year.

[cd98]

This year’s draft isn’t that great, but next year’s is tank worthy. How does Toronto not tank next year if they’ll do it this year?

[baseline bum]

The magic number for Portland losses to keep Toronto at the sixth worst record is four with six games left. Their remaining schedule is

at Washington
at Boston
New Orleans
Golden State
Houston
at Sacramento

I could see Washington trying to win that game given they have a four game cushion on the Spurs and Hornets for staying in the bottom 3. Boston clinched the overall #1 seed so they might rest guys. New Orleans and Sacramento will be desperately trying to avoid the play-in and Golden State and Houston will be desperately trying to make the play-in. So odds are decent Portland can go 2-4 or worse and wrap up the fifth worst record.

[BackHome]

This year’s draft isn’t that great, but next year’s is tank worthy. How does Toronto not tank next year if they’ll do it this year?

The Raptors just have two of there starters out and I believe two other players just coming back from injury and are on restricted minutes. They actually made some decent trades and added some good players I just don’t know if that is the right coach for them.

[mystargtr34]

Yeah we need to be careful of Portland not getting to 23 wins and tying Toronto that would be a disaster for the Spurs.

Portland could easily beat Wizards tomorrow to get to 21 wins, then they have 3 games which should all be L’s against the Celtics, Pelicans and Warriors, then they play the Rockets in the penultimate game who could easily be out of the play in contention and resting guys, then they have a Kings team in the last game and you never know the Kings could be locked into a spot by that time and they rest guys allowing Portland to win.

Unlikely but something to keep an eye on.

[Seventyniner]

Portland knows what they're doing when it comes to tanking.

[JPB]

The magic number for Portland losses to keep Toronto at the sixth worst record is four with six games left. Their remaining schedule is

at Washington
at Boston
New Orleans
Golden State
Houston
at Sacramento

I could see Washington trying to win that game given they have a four game cushion on the Spurs and Hornets for staying in the bottom 3. Boston clinched the overall #1 seed so they might rest guys. New Orleans and Sacramento will be desperately trying to avoid the play-in and Golden State and Houston will be desperately trying to make the play-in. So odds are decent Portland can go 2-4 or worse and wrap up the fifth worst record.

Even with their recent, weird 10 game winning streak, HOU is gonna miss the play in and POs after giving 3/130 to Van Fleet (2 seasons, 84M guaranteed) and 4/80 (fully guaranteed) to Dillon Brooks.

And I'm not sure they'll have more chances next year or maybe a little play in exit, Behind them, MEM should get Morant back, not sure about Utah's intentions, and spurs' ones ofc.

Really not sure adding a Brogdon type of guy + some other vet to that spurs team is gonna make them a PO team... And HOU has a better bunch of youngsters than the spurs.

[exstatic]

Portland knows what they're doing when it comes to tanking.

Yeah, they’re not at ALL interested in winning. They will flat dump games to protect their spot.

[exstatic]

Even with their recent, weird 10 game winning streak, HOU is gonna miss the play in and POs after giving 3/130 to Van Fleet (2 seasons, 84M guaranteed) and 4/80 (fully guaranteed) to Dillon Brooks.

And I'm not sure they'll have more chances next year or maybe a little play in exit, Behind them, MEM should get Morant back, not sure about Utah's intentions, and spurs' ones ofc.

Really not sure adding a Brogdon type of guy + some other vet to that spurs team is gonna make them a PO team... And HOU has a better bunch of youngsters than the spurs.

I lik Sengün and Smith, but Green and Eason are ding dongs. At least they got rid of KPJ.

[slick'81]

Gotta pray that shit conveys

[JPB]

I lik Sengün and Smith, but Green and Eason are ding dongs. At least they got rid of KPJ.

Just checked Amen's stats for fun. Shooting 14.3% on 3 for the season. Now I understand why they play him center :lol He showed flashes tho.

Whitmore has had a pretty good rookie season (12.2 points in 18min, 36.5% on 3). Cam might end up as a steal. I take him over Malaki any day. So yeah, Sengun, Smith and Cam is something to build on for the Rockets.

[Atl Spur]

Just checked Amen's stats for fun. Shooting 14.3% on 3 for the season. Now I understand why they play him center :lol He showed flashes tho.

Whitmore has had a pretty good rookie season (12.2 points in 18min, 36.5% on 3). Cam might end up as a steal. I take him over Malaki any day. So yeah, Sengun, Smith and Cam is something to build on for the Rockets.

I’m just happy we have Victor. Knowing the rockets would damn near trade us any combination of players & picks for VW makes me feel overjoyed ( Stevie Wonder )

[exstatic]

Just checked Amen's stats for fun. Shooting 14.3% on 3 for the season. Now I understand why they play him center :lol He showed flashes tho.

Whitmore has had a pretty good rookie season (12.2 points in 18min, 36.5% on 3). Cam might end up as a steal. I take him over Malaki any day. So yeah, Sengun, Smith and Cam is something to build on for the Rockets.

This is a guy who ignored questions, and even interviewers during the draft process. He’s just a bit too cool for school, and would probably pout over the attention that Wemby is getting.

[spurs10]

The magic number for Portland losses to keep Toronto at the sixth worst record is four with six games left. Their remaining schedule is

at Washington
at Boston
New Orleans
Golden State
Houston
at Sacramento

I could see Washington trying to win that game given they have a four game cushion on the Spurs and Hornets for staying in the bottom 3. Boston clinched the overall #1 seed so they might rest guys. New Orleans and Sacramento will be desperately trying to avoid the play-in and Golden State and Houston will be desperately trying to make the play-in. So odds are decent Portland can go 2-4 or worse and wrap up the fifth worst record. Thanks for this.

[Knoxxx]

Seems like we are agitating as to whether Portland goes up or down and ultimately the ping pong balls will fall where they may. And the close Spurs losses are good.

[slick'81]

As long as the spurs dont miss out on a generational talent because of some meaningless wins im good

[duncan2150]

I really don't fear that portland will pass toronto, and now that they have 3 games between them and memphis they may win one game or two ( nets or wizards for example).

[exstatic]

I really don't fear that portland will pass toronto, and now that they have 3 games between them and memphis they may win one game or two ( nets or wizards for example).

I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.

[duncan2150]

I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.

Yes at the end they may win one or two that's what i want to say especially if theY play barret and quickley and with the fact that portland with their schedule will stay behind them.

[BatManu20]

Regarding Risacher:


After making nearly half of his 3s in his first 34 games this season, Risacher has made only 24.5 percent in the 14 since. It’s possible that his hot streak was nothing more than that. In his first three years playing pro, he made only 32 percent of his 3s, so his recent percentage is a lot closer to his historic norm. In all four pro seasons, he's also made only 71.1 percent of his free throws. And Synergy says he also makes just 29.4 percent of his dribble jumpers and only 40 percent of his floaters. So it’s not like he has a particularly soft touch from that range. Regardless, there’s still potential for Risacher as a 3-and-D guy at the next level.

[BatManu20]

2026 NBA Draft prospect Cam Boozer:

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[BatManu20]

Preseason projected top-10 pick who ended up having a really disappointing season for Kentucky. Talented kid with decent size at 6’7. Streaky shooter but has shown ability to hit but 3’s. Should’ve stayed in school at least one more year, but could be a Spurs target early in the 2nd Round.

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[exstatic]

2025 NBA Draft prospect Cam Boozer:

1776054272292995468

2026

[BatManu20]

2026

Correct my b.

[onechance87]

Preseason projected top-10 pick who ended up having a really disappointing season for Kentucky. Talented kid with decent size at 6’7. Streaky shooter but has shown ability to hit but 3’s. Should’ve stayed in school at least one more year, but could be a Spurs target early in the 2nd Round.

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hows his defence

[BatManu20]

hows his defence

Pretty good tbh. He projects as a 3-and-D guy at the next level. He’s inconsistent right now and not much of a creator. Definitely needs development. Projects as a future serviceable rotation player though given his size, length, athleticism, and shooting stroke. Wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him in the 2nd. Could see him sneaking in the late First though if he tests and performs well at the Combine.

[rascal]

Pretty good tbh. He projects as a 3-and-D guy at the next level. He’s inconsistent right now and not much of a creator. Definitely needs development. Projects as a future serviceable rotation player though given his size, length, athleticism, and shooting stroke. Wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him in the 2nd. Could see him sneaking in the late First though if he tests and performs well at the Combine.

Spurs like Foreign players so start looking there for a 2nd round pick.

[baseline bum]

Spurs like Foreign players so start looking there for a 2nd round pick.

Probably should just because if they get the Toronto pick they're probably not going to have the room to develop a third rookie next season, so might as well draft and stash.

[DAF86]

Spurs like Foreign players so start looking there for a 2nd round pick.

Ulrich Chomche.

[BatManu20]

Ulrich Chomche.

Most mocks I've seen have Chomche going in the 20's. Doubt he makes it to our SRP, though if he did it'd be a no brainer imo.

[TVI]

Yep. Portland are the best tankers in the league. It's been kinda funny watching Toronto try to "catch" them, only to see Portland, just keep up their tanking.

[BackHome]

Spurs like Foreign players so start looking there for a 2nd round pick.

Second Round Foreign Players I like:

1. Ulrich Comche - PF/C - 6'11 - 18yrs
2. Melvin Ajinca - SG/SF - 6'8 - 19yrs
3. Pacome Dadiet - SG/SF - 6'8 - 18yrs

[jesterbobman]

I think Toronto is likely to be better next year - They've had some poor injury luck, the RJ situation with his brother is sad, and they have definitely tanked the shit out of the last month and a bit. I don't think they want to be that bad next year, both to keep fans engaged, and to make sure they're showing progress to Scottie. Cap space, a top 6 pick, better injury luck should move them up.

They should still definitely be better than Portland, Washington and (probably) Detroit, and then they're on the fringes of the top 6. Being a fringe play-in team seems likely, and at that point, the pick conveys unless they get outrageous luck.

I think the #7 pick this year is probably about equivalent to a number 13 next year. We probably expect a better value from it not conveying, though there's real downside risk (if they're number 10 2 years in a row, there's about a 1% chance of them moving up both times).

On possible outcomes for just the Toronto pick (ignoring the timing of our other incoming assets), I'd prefer picks


7-12 next year over #7 this year,
7-10 or so in 26 over #7 this year,
then have #7 this year, 13/ 14 next year, 11-12 in 26
then the other options conveying below.


Overall, I think that means we're better it not conveying this year, but you only want so much risk when you've got they guy already and you're adding depth.

[Mr. Body]

I think Toronto is likely to be better next year - They've had some poor injury luck, the RJ situation with his brother is sad, and they have definitely tanked the shit out of the last month and a bit. I don't think they want to be that bad next year, both to keep fans engaged, and to make sure they're showing progress to Scottie. Cap space, a top 6 pick, better injury luck should move them up.

They should still definitely be better than Portland, Washington and (probably) Detroit, and then they're on the fringes of the top 6. Being a fringe play-in team seems likely, and at that point, the pick conveys unless they get outrageous luck.

I think the #7 pick this year is probably about equivalent to a number 13 next year. We probably expect a better value from it not conveying, though there's real downside risk (if they're number 10 2 years in a row, there's about a 1% chance of them moving up both times).

On possible outcomes for just the Toronto pick (ignoring the timing of our other incoming assets), I'd prefer picks


7-12 next year over #7 this year,
7-10 or so in 26 over #7 this year,
then have #7 this year, 13/ 14 next year, 11-12 in 26
then the other options conveying below.


Overall, I think that means we're better it not conveying this year, but you only want so much risk when you've got they guy already and you're adding depth.

I don't think Toronto necessarily wanted to tank this year, but they lost their two most important players in Barnes and Poeltl and had no choice. They just suck.

[Splits]

I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.

Yes, which is why the Spurs won 3 straight and were in position to win the following 2. And why CHA and POR had double-digit leads in the 1st quarter tonight.

Idiots like you think "teams" tank as some kind of collective position on a game-by-game basis. Unless players are being held out, for games or in crunch time, no set of 5 guys on the floor is tanking or missing shots or letting opposing players free layups. They just really suck.

BTW you suck

[exstatic]

Yes, which is why the Spurs won 3 straight and were in position to win the following 2. And why CHA and POR had double-digit leads in the 1st quarter tonight.

Idiots like you think "teams" tank as some kind of collective position on a game-by-game basis. Unless players are being held out, for games or in crunch time, no set of 5 guys on the floor is tanking or missing shots or letting opposing players free layups. They just really suck.

BTW you suck

I don’t think this will age well, but I’ll come back and take my medicine if either Charlotte or Portland wins. If I son you, though, you’re going to hear about that, too.

You should probably switch to decaf.

[Splits]

I don’t think this will age well, but I’ll come back and take my medicine if either Charlotte or Portland wins. If I son you, though, you’re going to hear about that, too.

You should probably switch to decaf.

which players from either CHA or POR are not playing although they could/should? Resting available players is losing on purpose. Of the 580 players in the NBA, I'm willing to guess 0 put up a lessor effort to win in order for their team to get a better draft pick. It's idiotic. And also the premise of your previous post, which was more idiotic.

[exstatic]

which players from either CHA or POR are not playing although they could/should? Resting available players is losing on purpose. Of the 580 players in the NBA, I'm willing to guess 0 put up a lessor effort to win in order for their team to get a better draft pick. It's idiotic. And also the premise of your previous post, which was more idiotic.

That’s ONE way of tanking a game. You can also skew your rotations, and fail to hold players accountable for mistakes, leading to more mistakes and lapses, since there are no consequences game after game.

The players don’t have to be in on it at all if the basic team is bad or flawed enough. Doesn’t take much to tip the scales from a win to a loss. 5 minutes of a terrible mismatched group of 5 players can do the trick.

You’re insufferably naive if you think this doesn’t happen multiple times per day in the NBA. As for our recent three game heater, you’ll notice that IMMEDIATELY on its heels, our best offensive wing and best defensive wing were both shut down for the last 8 games. I’ll go out on a very thick and substantial limb and say Keldon isn’t too far behind. He’ll be next.

[Splits]

That’s ONE way of tanking a game. You can also skew your rotations, and fail to hold players accountable for mistakes, leading to more mistakes and lapses, since there are no consequences game after game.

The players don’t have to be in on it at all if the basic team is bad or flawed enough. Doesn’t take much to tip the scales from a win to a loss. 5 minutes of a terrible mismatched group of 5 players can do the trick.

You’re insufferably naive if you think this doesn’t happen multiple times per day in the NBA. As for our recent three game heater, you’ll notice that IMMEDIATELY on its heels, our best offensive wing and best defensive wing were both shut down for the last 8 games. I’ll go out on a very thick and substantial limb and say Keldon isn’t too far behind. He’ll be next.

HOW TO TANK PhD LEVEL!!!111


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You're a fucking idiot

[exstatic]

HOW TO TANK PhD LEVEL!!!111


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You're a fucking idiot

Kobe killed himself and everyone on that helicopter by insisting that they fly.

[onechance87]

I don't think Toronto necessarily wanted to tank this year, but they lost their two most important players in Barnes and Poeltl and had no choice. They just suck.

shut up dude....Just admit u got proved wrong moron...You said they wouldint tank and they are.

[Splits]

Kobe killed himself and everyone on that helicopter by insisting that they fly.

Nobody kills themselves on a helicopter by insisting it flies.

They murder/suicide their daughter and 7 others by insisting in flies in weather that grounded the entire LAPD fleet.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/01/21/USAT/28fa08c8-3de2-4f40-9dbc-971d3ee1a959-AP_Helicopter_Crash_Kobe_Bryant_Killed.jpg?width=2 160

nice try though, I'll give you that. you remembered a portion of a fact.

LAPD grounded their helicopters. Why was Kobe Bryant's chopper allowed to fly? (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-lapd-grounded-their-helicopters-why-was-bryants-chopper-allowed-to-fly/)

[exstatic]

OK, I’ll take my medicine, with one caveat: Portland just got out tanked by a worse team. I mean, when two tanking teams collide, obviously one of them has to win. It isn’t hockey where you can have a tie. I have no explanation for Orlando tripping on their dicks, but it’s good for the Spurs, since it breaks the 3/4 tie that had existed.

[Splits]

I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.


Yes, which is why the Spurs won 3 straight and were in position to win the following 2. And why CHA and POR had double-digit leads in the 1st quarter tonight.

Idiots like you think "teams" tank as some kind of collective position on a game-by-game basis. Unless players are being held out, for games or in crunch time, no set of 5 guys on the floor is tanking or missing shots or letting opposing players free layups. They just really suck.

BTW you suck


I don’t think this will age well, but I’ll come back and take my medicine if either Charlotte or Portland wins. If I son you, though, you’re going to hear about that, too.

You should probably switch to decaf.

What was that you were saying?

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Seems like someone was horribly wrong tonight and should re-adjust their thinking about "tanking".

Seems like someone was horribly right tonight.


That’s ONE way of tanking a game. You can also skew your rotations, and fail to hold players accountable for mistakes, leading to more mistakes and lapses, since there are no consequences game after game.

The players don’t have to be in on it at all if the basic team is bad or flawed enough. Doesn’t take much to tip the scales from a win to a loss. 5 minutes of a terrible mismatched group of 5 players can do the trick.

You’re insufferably naive if you think this doesn’t happen multiple times per day in the NBA. As for our recent three game heater, you’ll notice that IMMEDIATELY on its heels, our best offensive wing and best defensive wing were both shut down for the last 8 games. I’ll go out on a very thick and substantial limb and say Keldon isn’t too far behind. He’ll be next.

:lmao someone is so exstatically and fantastically WRONG all the time

[exstatic]

What was that you were saying?

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Seems like someone was horribly wrong tonight and should re-adjust their thinking about "tanking".

Seems like someone was horribly right tonight.



:lmao someone is so exstatically and fantastically WRONG all the time

Did you even look up one post?

[Splits]

Did you even look up one post?

Oh yes, I should have anticipated your pissy response 1 minute before I produced my dominant response with uploaded screenshots.

BTW:


I don’t think this will age well, but I’ll come back and take my medicine if either Charlotte or Portland wins. If I son you, though, you’re going to hear about that, too.

You should probably switch to decaf.

Since it wasn't EITHER but BOTH, perhaps you should re-think your shitbound "philosophy" on tanking?

[rascal]

Oh yes, I should have anticipated your pissy response 1 minute before I produced my dominant response with uploaded screenshots.

BTW:



Since it wasn't EITHER but BOTH, perhaps you should re-think your shitbound "philosophy" on tanking?

For being so loud in here exstatic is wrong most of the time.

[Splits]

For being so loud in here exstatic is wrong most of the time.

It could get worse in the next 1/2 hour...


I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.

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the fact their up double-digits in the 2nd half is hilarious when put side-by-side to exfuckstick's "all low teams tank" mantra. although TOR has been historically bad the past 2 months since all the injuries I don't see how they hold on.

[Splits]

I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.

Could you ever be more wrong?

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[onechance87]

raptors can play it off now and win a game here and there,Since they memphis has a 3 game lead over them and keeps winning.

[Mugen]

:lol Bucks

I'd laugh harder but there's like a 15% chance the dumbass FO will end up hiring Doc after the old man finally calls it quits.

[duncan2150]

I don’t see anyone winning games until they are locked out of the position above them. For example, Toronto will keep losing until they are locked out of position #5. Then they may or may not win a game or two.

So Toronto win the win at Milwaukee, that's what i talked about yesterday, they know they will not catch portland ( hard schedule remaining) and same with memphis so they're comfortable with winning some games to end the season.

Other than that i don't understand why people think the raps will tank next year, they just played a bunch of games without four of their starters with barnes, poetl, quickley and barret. And i don't see them being worse next year, they will stay a play in team in the east imo.

[onechance87]

So Toronto win the win at Milwaukee, that's what i talked about yesterday, they know they will not catch portland ( hard schedule remaining) and same with memphis so they're comfortable with winning some games to end the season.

Other than that i don't understand why people think the raps will tank next year, they just played a bunch of games without four of their starters with barnes, poetl, quickley and barret. And i don't see them being worse next year, they will stay a play in team in the east imo.

how can you not understand.They will struggle to make the playoffs next year.Then at the trade deadline,They will trade poeltl
and brown and other good role players to help tank.Their are mutiple young stars in next years draft.They will be one of the teams
to want to get on them as well as us.

[rascal]

So Toronto win the win at Milwaukee, that's what i talked about yesterday, they know they will not catch portland ( hard schedule remaining) and same with memphis so they're comfortable with winning some games to end the season.

Other than that i don't understand why people think the raps will tank next year, they just played a bunch of games without four of their starters with barnes, poetl, quickley and barret. And i don't see them being worse next year, they will stay a play in team in the east imo.

They can easily tank next year too. One or two injuries like this year and its the same thing all over.

[baseline bum]

Overall, I think that means we're better it not conveying this year, but you only want so much risk when you've got they guy already and you're adding depth.

I'd rather #7 this year than #12 next year just because the Spurs will be looking at having three firsts in 25 if the Toronto pick doesn't convey this year, as the Chicago pick is only top 10 protected. Developing three rookies in one year is going to be a real bastard. But also because Toronto could tank again. Next year's draft might be worth Toronto throwing their season from the beginning.

[duncan2150]

how can you not understand.They will struggle to make the playoffs next year.Then at the trade deadline,They will trade poeltl
and brown and other good role players to help tank.Their are mutiple young stars in next years draft.They will be one of the teams
to want to get on them as well as us.

Yes being a play in is that you struggle to make the playoffs… maybe you don’t read it correctly

we’ll see , if they don’t blow it up they will be somewhere between 8 and 10 in the east IMO…

[onechance87]

Yes being a play in is that you struggle to make the playoffs… maybe you don’t read correctly

we’ll see , if they don’t blow it up they will be somewhere between 8 and 10 in the east IMO…

Before the the season started everyone thought they would make the playoffs for sure.They had anuoby and siakam
and still sucked.They downgraded and you expect them to be better next year huh.

[Bruno]

The main issue of the 2024 draft is that its top 5 is really bad. There isn't a single player who has looked like worthy of being picked there. It is quite like the 2013 Draft where Anthony Bennett went first. However, outside of that top 5, the 2024 draft looks fine.

If Spurs get Raptors pick (54% odd) it will be between #7 and #9. Last year, Bilal Coulibaly, Jarace Walker and Taylor Hendricks were drafted with these picks. This year, players like Sheppard, Knecht, Cody Williams, Collier or Holland are projected around these spots. Are they really worst than last year players?

Aside of the main reason of not having too many picks next year, I'm really not sold the 2025 draft outside the top 6 will be better than this year. To me, the 2023 draft wasn't better in these ranges.

[LeBowen]

Just checked and since 2000, the only two drafts not to have an all-star selected after 10th pick were 2007 and 2019.

This draft might not have guaranteed superstars, but there's enough interesting players in there if the front office is competent enough.
That's what they're paid for. Anyone can pick Wemby. This is the draft where Wright and co need to justify their employment.
Their record in years prior to Wemby doesn't give us much cause for optimism.

[The Truth #6]

With players so young now, their development on the team is, what, 2/3 of their outcome? I think our development staff has had a talent drain over the years. That may be underappreciated in the context of having average draft picks now. Also, our chaotic losing culture now also doesn't necessarily help development. So Branham, for example, was still a good pick. Just not much progress yet.

[Mugen]

Shit drafts are where good GMs/scouting departments separate themselves tbh.

Gonna be interesting to see how BWrong does this summer tbh. Another Primo level whiff and that leash should be short AF.

[objective]

I think the 2013 draft shows that in a bad draft there can be a hard cliff, and once you go past it, there will be no more significant NBA players

So up into the first to get one of the few real nba players. Once Gobert was gone, it didn't even matter whether they took LJC or anyone else, that was it. Ferry was so hot for Giannis but wasn't bold enough to put in what it takes to get a trade done

2010 was another year with a cliff right before the Spurs with Avery Bradley and then nothing save headcases and scrubs

So I hope they're not lulled into complacency with the #33 and feel like hoping someone falls. They have a ton of seconds to throw in and other assets to get things done to get one of the real players that might be left outside the top 10

[spurraider21]

Tanking is not done on a game by game basis by players not trying to win. Tanking is top down. Intentionally building a roster with no chance of winning. Or late season shutting players down who maybe can play.

imo ex uses the tanking stuff as a coping mechanism when the spurs underachieve relative to his expectations

[Dejounte]

Shit drafts are where good GMs/scouting departments separate themselves tbh.

Gonna be interesting to see how BWrong does this summer tbh. Another Primo level whiff and that leash should be short AF.


Drafting a player who they think would be top 10 next year wouldnt really be a bad idea… I’m looking at Bub Carrington. That was their logic with Primo tbh

[BacktoBasics]

We might be better off getting Toronto in the 10-14 range next season than 7-8 this year.

[z0sa]

We are tanking now. The problem is, our team is better constructed when there's not another guy who's really a 3 or 4th option (Vassell) trying to do #2 stuff every night. This team WILL be better built top heavy with someone like Wemby. I think this small sample size at least somewhat correlates with that proposition.

[heyheymymy]

I'd rather #7 this year than #12 next year just because the Spurs will be looking at having three firsts in 25 if the Toronto pick doesn't convey this year, as the Chicago pick is only top 10 protected. Developing three rookies in one year is going to be a real bastard. But also because Toronto could tank again. Next year's draft might be worth Toronto throwing their season from the beginning.

Exactly and the logjam doesn't just overload developmentally it's financial too. I'd rather stagger that money hit over time than take up to 3 rookies at the same time. Because if 2025 is as loaded with talent as they say, getting 3 picks that year not only bogs down developmental resources but say 2 or all 3 are keepers and as good of players as they're projected to be then it's 3 paydays all at the same time since they were all rookies together all 3 contracts will coincide. SA can't afford to pay and loses talent having to let someone walk.

[heyheymymy]

TOR could tank next year and get firmly nestled into the bottom 3 with you getting closer to 2 second round picks and you'll wish you landed the #7 in 2024

TOR could be good next year and convey like a #15-20 and you'll wish you landed the #7 in 2024

I think I'd rather just get TOR to convey in 24 in the argument for balancing the roster and development resources vs talent disparity between 24 and 25 drafts.

Even if you're trading some of these picks and not selecting players for SA with them the clock is ticking and other teams know the FRP is about to turn into a pumpkin of two second round picks. That devalues the trade piece and I'd rather just lock in the asset as a lottery pick vs two seconds is a world of difference in value either as a trade asset or SA selecting two lottery picks in 24 for themselves at the benefit of balancing a possible up to four 25 FRPs (SA, CHI, TOR, CHA) at the potential expense of a considerable gulf in talent.

[JPB]

Exactly and the logjam doesn't just overload developmentally it's financial too. I'd rather stagger that money hit over time than take up to 3 rookies at the same time. Because if 2025 is as loaded with talent as they say, getting 3 picks that year not only bogs down developmental resources but say 2 or all 3 are keepers and as good of players as they're projected to be then it's 3 paydays all at the same time since they were all rookies together all 3 contracts will coincide. SA can't afford to pay and loses talent having to let someone walk.

that's what happened to OKC with KD/Russ and Harden.

Anywyay, Wemby will be in year 3 after the 2025 draft. You don't want to put another 3 rookies (plus the one from this year) to develop in his legs. The priority is VIC's development not all the Branhams, Wesleys, Sochans or whoever they could draft in the next 2 years. Everything has to be centered and tought around Wemby.

Hopefully, spurs will use those picks to build a more competitive team.

[Knoxxx]

We want the TOR first round pick this year because we may never get it otherwise. Anything else is just overthinking or rationalizing.

[Knoxxx]

TOR could tank next year and get firmly nestled into the bottom 3 with you getting closer to 2 second round picks and you'll wish you landed the #7 in 2024

TOR could be good next year and convey like a #15-20 and you'll wish you landed the #7 in 2024

I think I'd rather just get TOR to convey in 24 in the argument for balancing the roster and development resources vs talent disparity between 24 and 25 drafts.

Even if you're trading some of these picks and not selecting players for SA with them the clock is ticking and other teams know the FRP is about to turn into a pumpkin of two second round picks. That devalues the trade piece and I'd rather just lock in the asset as a lottery pick vs two seconds is a world of difference in value either as a trade asset or SA selecting two lottery picks in 24 for themselves at the benefit of balancing a possible up to four 25 FRPs (SA, CHI, TOR, CHA) at the potential expense of a considerable gulf in talent.

I think you are missing the unprotected ATL pick in 25 as well.

[duncan2150]

Before the the season started everyone thought they would make the playoffs for sure.They had anuoby and siakam
and still sucked.They downgraded and you expect them to be better next year huh.

They played without four starters for like 15 games and they loose all so yes i excpect them to be better. When they have siakam and og they were a play in team and i think with barret, quickley, olynik...they still the same.

[scott]

If it doesn't convey this year (and maybe even if it does), we should trade the pick for a proven commodity. Now, whether the #7 pick in this draft or an unknown potential pick has more value... I'm not sure. Toronto's tankability makes it difficult to say.

[jesterbobman]

The main issue of the 2024 draft is that its top 5 is really bad. There isn't a single player who has looked like worthy of being picked there. It is quite like the 2013 Draft where Anthony Bennett went first. However, outside of that top 5, the 2024 draft looks fine.

If Spurs get Raptors pick (54% odd) it will be between #7 and #9. Last year, Bilal Coulibaly, Jarace Walker and Taylor Hendricks were drafted with these picks. This year, players like Sheppard, Knecht, Cody Williams, Collier or Holland are projected around these spots. Are they really worst than last year players?

Aside of the main reason of not having too many picks next year, I'm really not sold the 2025 draft outside the top 6 will be better than this year. To me, the 2023 draft wasn't better in these ranges.

Probably right on the range of 7-9 not being that bad this year, as a comparison. As you said, bad drafts are normally sold that way as the top is uncertain / weak, which definitely seems the case this year.

Based on history, a #7 pick should be worth about 7 WAR over 4 seasons (I was lazy and just looked here: nba-draft-expectations (https://www.theringer.com/2021/7/28/22597310/nba-draft-expectations)). I think I'd be more confident in Sheppard reaching that than anyone 7-9 last year, though I think last years crop is more likely to hugely exceed that value (and as big rangy wings / 4's, probably have more value around the league in terms of responding to playoff matchups).

The stack of incoming 2025 picks is I think the best reason for wanting it to convey this year, particularly as there's no upside in terms of reduced protections. Also, in the category of I'm dumb and others are smart - Masai has been a really good drafter, and Toronto's behaviour definitely looks like they want the pick - If Masai wants to keep it this year, I think the Spurs will want it to convey.

[Mr. Body]

If you have 4 or 5 players you like in the lottery, it's likely you'll see at least one of them with a conveyed Toronto pick. Like many here, it feels 'risky' to have it go into next year, given the Raptors' shakiness and propensity for injury. Teams will really tip into tanking halfway through next year since the draft is considered pretty strong up top.

So, if my personal board includes Dillingham, Castle, Sarr, Buzelis, and Sheppard, then one will be available with the Spurs pick and at least one of them will be there with the second. I wouldn't be opposed to taking a rotation guy with that pick, either. The team could use a beefy defender, so if Clingan is around that spot or even Filipowski, I'm not opposed to giving that role a shot, too.

[rascal]

With players so young now, their development on the team is, what, 2/3 of their outcome? I think our development staff has had a talent drain over the years. That may be underappreciated in the context of having average draft picks now. Also, our chaotic losing culture now also doesn't necessarily help development. So Branham, for example, was still a good pick. Just not much progress yet.

You're over valuing the current roster.

Most of this roster will be replaced when the Spurs are a real contender.

[The Truth #6]

You're over valuing the current roster.

Most of this roster will be replaced when the Spurs are a real contender.

Tell me the how I'm over valuing the current roster.

[rascal]

Tell me the how I'm over valuing the current roster.

Thinking the current roster just needs development.

You can keep this current roster together for the next ten years and they still won't be a contender. Players need to be replaced with upgrades.

[Raven]

We want the TOR first round pick this year because we may never get it otherwise. Anything else is just overthinking or rationalizing.
indeed

[BackHome]

Thinking the current roster just needs development.

You can keep this current roster together for the next ten years and they still won't be a contender. Players need to be replaced with upgrades.

Yep, that is why I am still on the Tank command train all the way to 2025 draft. After that year I really think we will have two or three new starters who will be our building block for a bright future.

[Pauleta14]

We are tanking now. The problem is, our team is better constructed when there's not another guy who's really a 3 or 4th option (Vassell) trying to do #2 stuff every night. This team WILL be better built top heavy with someone like Wemby. I think this small sample size at least somewhat correlates with that proposition.

Not sure about that, Pop hasn't been that active on the sidelines than these last few games. imo the top4 of the draft is so weak that they don't care the position they end up and would prefer avoiding paying 8-10M for an average prospect.

[ambchang]

If the pick conveys I won’t mind it being traded with salary filers for a long 3 point shooting PF, like Jabari smith jr. Not sure if it’s wishful thinking though.

[exstatic]

If the pick conveys I won’t mind it being traded with salary filers for a long 3 point shooting PF, like Jabari smith jr. Not sure if it’s wishful thinking though.

He’d actually be perfect to pair with Victor. Doubt Houston does the deal, though.

[r0drig0lac]

We want the TOR first round pick this year because we may never get it otherwise. Anything else is just overthinking or rationalizing.

this

[mo7888]

If the pick conveys I won’t mind it being traded with salary filers for a long 3 point shooting PF, like Jabari smith jr. Not sure if it’s wishful thinking though.

If we could trade our #1 pick for Jabari then you do that 10 times out of 10.... He'd clearly be #1 in this draft..

[The Truth #6]

Thinking the current roster just needs development.

You can keep this current roster together for the next ten years and they still won't be a contender. Players need to be replaced with upgrades.

Whoever you draft still has to be developed, so there's no way around that process.

[SpursGenius]

The last 10 games are obvious what Toronto wanted to do. 1-9. They may win tonight against Washington but that’s it. I think they tank that game too. They likely lose out rest of the way. Memphis is two games ahead in loss column. It will take a miracle to even tie at this point. Toronto has nestled themselves into pick 6 intentionally.

[exstatic]

The last 10 games are obvious what Toronto wanted to do. 1-9. They may win tonight against Washington but that’s it. I think they tank that game too. They likely lose out rest of the way. Memphis is two games ahead in loss column. It will take a miracle to even tie at this point. Toronto has nestled themselves into pick 6 intentionally.

They’re running,out of games to do it, and try as they might, other tanking teams aren’t losing to Washington. Make no mistake, they want 5, they’re just not going to get it now. 5 drops our pick odds into the 30s from 54% at position #6.

[spurraider21]

They’ll finish #6 and we will have slightly better odds than a coin flip of getting the pick. Got over a month till the lotto

[rascal]

Whoever you draft still has to be developed, so there's no way around that process.

Some players are worth developing, others like what's on this current roster are not.

[ace3g]

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[exstatic]

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Yeah, your not picking up an L against the Wiz. :lol

[Mal]

Kinda irrelevant, Toronto not overtaking Memphis

[exstatic]

Kinda irrelevant, Toronto not overtaking Memphis

Memphis isn’t who I was worried about. It’s been pretty accepted that TOR wouldn’t fall back to 7, but they had a slim chance at 5. Portland won Friday, but so did TOR, and they’ll probably win against the wiz.

[tonight...you]

:lol Bucks

I'd laugh harder but there's like a 15% chance the dumbass FO will end up hiring Doc after the old man finally calls it quits.
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[Mal]

Memphis isn’t who I was worried about. It’s been pretty accepted that TOR wouldn’t fall back to 7, but they had a slim chance at 5. Portland won Friday, but so did TOR, and they’ll probably win against the wiz.

No way Portland is winning 3 of 5 remaning. It's all in ping pong balls

[duncan2150]

Memphis isn’t who I was worried about. It’s been pretty accepted that TOR wouldn’t fall back to 7, but they had a slim chance at 5. Portland won Friday, but so did TOR, and they’ll probably win against the wiz.

It's over for them to catch portland, they have a better chance to catch memphis actually but they would not

[Knoxxx]

Maybe TOR will actually try and win to catch MEM and increase the odds the pick conveys to us this year. Otherwise, they are placed in potential tank position for two more seasons which would be awfully hard on a fan base as we well know.

[Twisted_Dawg]

:lol Bucks

I'd laugh harder but there's like a 15% chance the dumbass FO will end up hiring Doc after the old man finally calls it quits.

You forgot to add the two #1 draft picks we would also need to send to Milwaukee in order to hire Doc.

[DPG21920]

4 games left. Would be nice if MEM lost out and TOR can notch 2 more. At least gets MEM/TOR to a coin toss situation.

But that would mean SA would need to beat MEM vs also it being better for SA to lose last 4 and have CHA win more so we aren’t in a coin toss with CHA for third worst record.

But at end of the day, I would rather SA be 4th worst record if it meant TOR could catch MEM probably. CHA has a brutal schedule though so feels like most likely outcome is:

TOR does not catch MEM. Spurs leap CHA outright for 4th worst record. Both of those are worst case for Spurs but most likely unfortunately (unless Wemby sits last games)

[duncan2150]

4 games left. Would be nice if MEM lost out and TOR can notch 2 more. At least gets MEM/TOR to a coin toss situation.

But that would mean SA would need to beat MEM vs also it being better for SA to lose last 4 and have CHA win more so we aren’t in a coin toss with CHA for third worst record.

But at end of the day, I would rather SA be 4th worst record if it meant TOR could catch MEM probably. CHA has a brutal schedule though so feels like most likely outcome is:

TOR does not catch MEM. Spurs leap CHA outright for 4th worst record. Both of those are worst case for Spurs but most likely unfortunately (unless Wemby sits last games)

Imo memphis will not win another game, they have 11 injured player for the game vs spurs and then they play lakers, cavs and denver.

Spurs could win two vs memphis and detroit : they will pass charlotte imo for the 4th worst record. They can tie portland ( who will probably lose their last games) with those two wins.

Raptors will do their best to keep their 6th place, they can win one vs nets then they have miami two times and indiana... So they will stay at their place imo.

[DPG21920]

Imo memphis will not win another game, they have 11 injured player for the game vs spurs and then they play lakers, cavs and denver.

Spurs could win two vs memphis and detroit : they will pass charlotte imo for the 4th worst record. They can tie portland ( who will probably lose their last games) with those two wins.

Raptors will do their best to keep their 6th place, they can win one vs nets then they have miami two times and indiana... So they will stay at their place imo.

Agree this is *most likely* and of course it’s terrible for Spurs. This puts Spurs in a real position to not be in bottom 4 while TOR maintains position behind MEM which hurts odds of pick conveying. Worst case scenario is most likely which sucks.

[MultiTroll]

Imo memphis will not win another game,.
WTH did they win 3 in a row last week?

Same with Charlotte.
WTH did they win after they had slipped into 3rd place ahead of the Popoviches?

[duncan2150]

WTH did they win 3 in a row last week?

Same with Charlotte.
WTH did they win after they had slipped into 3rd place ahead of the Popoviches?

Their last two wins JJJ had some monster games and he'll not play against the spurs tomorrow, then they will have a tough schedule.

For the hornets they won one of their last six, last four games for them are atlanta, boston, cleveland and dallas. Maybe they'll win one game.

[SpursGenius]

So it’s over. Toronto ranked pretty bad last 25 games to get the sixth pick.

[pad300]

Their last two wins JJJ had some monster games and he'll not play against the spurs tomorrow, then they will have a tough schedule.

For the hornets they won one of their last six, last four games for them are atlanta, boston, cleveland and dallas. Maybe they'll win one game.

CHA just beat ATL... (Trae back, DJ out...)

[MultiTroll]

Does that all but seal #6 for Toronto?

Memphis would need to beat both LA Flamers and Denver.
Toronto needing to sweep Miami.

Does Miami give a chit about the last 2 games?

[exstatic]

So it’s over. Toronto ranked pretty bad last 25 games to get the sixth pick.

They don’t have the 6th pick, they finished in the 6th spot. The lottery determines the picks, and whether we get Toronto’s or not. Their odds of getting the 6th pick are 8.6%. Their odds of falling to 7th are 29.8%. Them finishing at 6 gives us our best odds of any position to get the #7 pick.

[MultiTroll]

CHA just beat ATL... (Trae back, DJ out...)
WTH is Charlotte doing?

Now tied with the Popoviches.

And/or does ATL want to slip out of the Play In and into the Lottery?

[exstatic]

WTH is Charlotte doing?

Now tied with the Popoviches.

And/or does ATL want to slip out of the Play In and into the Lottery?

They’ve played 80 of their 82 games, and have a 4 game lead on Brooklyn. I think they’ll be OK. :lol

[rascal]

WTH is Charlotte doing?

Now tied with the Popoviches.

And/or does ATL want to slip out of the Play In and into the Lottery?

Great news if the Spurs lose their last two games. They will be in a coin flip with Charlotte for the bottom three.

[Ariel]

So it’s over. Toronto ranked pretty bad last 25 games to get the sixth pick.
Toronto has been pretty strategic, but it's clear watching their games and their lineups that they're not going to catch Memphis, 6th place is set in stone. All we have left is hoping the lottery balls bounce our way.

[Arcadian]

Thank you Charlotte for winning tonight!

[exstatic]

Toronto has been pretty strategic, but it's clear watching their games and their lineups that they're not going to catch Memphis, 6th place is set in stone. All we have left is hoping the lottery balls bounce our way.

:tu

[mo7888]

They don’t have the 6th pick, they finished in the 6th spot. The lottery determines the picks, and whether we get Toronto’s or not. Their odds of getting the 6th pick are 8.6%. Their odds of falling to 7th are 29.8%. Them finishing at 6 gives us our best odds of any position to get the #7 pick.

It's amazing that you have to keep saying this....

[Splits]

to all of those like exstatic and other fuck sticks like him, how do you explain the "tanking"? the whorenets winning tonight? please explain

[exstatic]

It's amazing that you have to keep saying this....

It’s like they forgot there is a fucking draft lottery that ACTUALLY determines the draft pick order.

If Toronto doesn’t jump up into the top 4, the odds are hugely in our favor.

#6 8.6%
#7 29.8%
#8 20.5%
#9 3.7%
#10 0.1%

[Ariel]

to all of those like exstatic and other fuck sticks like him, how do you explain the "tanking"? the whorenets winning tonight? please explain
Plausible deniability

[Spurs Homer]

Jailblazers with 21 wins

spurs and whorenets with 20 wins…

so where will spurs end up?

[Ariel]

Jailblazers with 21 wins

spurs and whorenets with 20 wins…

so where will spurs end up?
My guess, all 3 teams lose out and end up right where they are now: Spurs and Charlotte tied for 3rd, Portland 5th

[MultiTroll]

Great news if the Spurs lose their last two games. They will be in a coin flip with Charlotte for the bottom three.
Could we get Craig Popple to start Sochan at pg?

Better yet will Wemby miss one of these games?

[Spurs Homer]

My guess, all 3 teams lose out and end up right where they are now: Spurs and Charlotte tied for 3rd, Portland 5th

wouldnt shock me if pop gets two wins either lol

[exstatic]

My guess, all 3 teams lose out and end up right where they are now: Spurs and Charlotte tied for 3rd, Portland 5th

We’ll definitely lose to Denver, but Detroit has held off every tanking team trying to get an L this year. I guess maybe if they have #1 locked, and we sit Wemby, maybe we can get the L?

I’d laugh my ass off if DET dropped to #5 after the lottery again, like last year.

[exstatic]

wouldnt shock me if pop gets two wins either lol

We’re not beating Denver.

[Ariel]

We’ll definitely lose to Denver, but Detroit has held off every tanking team trying to get an L this year. I guess maybe if they have #1 locked, and we sit Wemby, maybe we can get the L?

I’d laugh my ass off if DET dropped to #5 after the lottery again, like last year.
That's what I was saying. If Detroit loses their next 2 games (Chicago and Dallas), they will reach their final game with #1 locked, they'd probably like to end the season on a positive note. If Pop plays the same team that started today, it's 99% a loss. Wemby can play vs Denver if he wants, but he should absolutely sit vs Detroit.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

That's what I was saying. If Detroit loses their next 2 games (Chicago and Dallas), they will reach their final game with #1 locked, they'd probably like to end the season on a positive note. If Pop plays the same team that started today, it's 99% a loss. Wemby can play vs Denver if he wants, but he should absolutely sit vs Detroit.

This is where I'm at. They gotta rest Wemby on Sunday.

But I do think it's pretty hysterical that Sunday is fan appreciation day and the Spurs will show their appreciation by fielding a team of guys, most of who will be lucky to see significant minutes in the summer league.

[MultiTroll]

That's what I was saying. If Detroit loses their next 2 games (Chicago and Dallas), they will reach their final game with #1 locked, they'd probably like to end the season on a positive note. If Pop plays the same team that started today, it's 99% a loss. Wemby can play vs Denver if he wants, but he should absolutely sit vs Detroit.
Good points.
Det just locked up a coinflip at worst.

Wemby must sit vs Det. Concur. Nothing good can come from that game.

[skin27]

Why care about this pick? Isnt it enough that we have top 5 pick to pair with wemby?

[exstatic]

Why care about this pick? Isnt it enough that we have top 5 pick to pair with wemby?

That’s not locked up! Spurs could drop as low as 7th, or 8th if they win again, or lose a coin flip.

[SpurSpike]

Spurs will surely play Wemby on Sunday, its fan appreciation night and last game of the season.

[spursince#99]

Spurs will surely play Wemby on Sunday, its fan appreciation night and last game of the season.


ugh

[Dejounte]

He’s playing tonight

[R. DeMurre]

Still pretty amazing to think that Golden State built their dynasty on three picks that were #7, #11, & #35, plus Harrison Barnes at #7. Kinda crazy that taking a shot at an undersized, long-armed forward in the 2nd round was what really supercharged their climb-- that, plus turning Iguodala into their version of Manu. There's really no set formula for team building. There are so many approaches that can potentially work. That's what's so great about the NBA, the constant evolution of styles and approaches.

[Pauleta14]

What's with all this "will or should he play ..." nonsense??

He's 20yo and no game until maybe july... :lol

[scott]

I get the sense the Spurs care about the difference between the 3rd, 4th or 5th best odds a lot less than members of this forum do. That might be an indication as to how their scouting is going.

[exstatic]

I get the sense the Spurs care about the difference between the 3rd, 4th or 5th best odds a lot less than members of this forum do. That might be an indication as to how their scouting is going.


I kind of agree with this. If they thought this draft was as terrible as posters here, we’d be neck and neck with Detroit. They must see enough options, with none really standing out that they’re comfortable with the 3,4,5 slots.

[skin27]

That’s not locked up! Spurs could drop as low as 7th, or 8th if they win again, or lose a coin flip.

7th or 8th still good.. just draft topic the best guard in the draft class to pair with wemby

[baseline bum]

7th or 8th still good.. just draft topic the best guard in the draft class to pair with wemby

Can't draft Topic and the best guard in this class without getting the Toronto pick to convey though

[skin27]

Can't draft Topic and the best guard in this class without getting the Toronto pick to convey though

What do you mean by that?

[baseline bum]

What do you mean by that?

Might need to get pick 3 or 4 to get Dillingham then grab Topic at 7? Though Topic seems like a waste if you're already getting the best guard in the class with your first pick.

[LeBowen]

I kind of agree with this. If they thought this draft was as terrible as posters here, we’d be neck and neck with Detroit. They must see enough options, with none really standing out that they’re comfortable with the 3,4,5 slots.

Pistons: off ball guards and wings should be their interest. No way they draft a point guard or a big.
Wizards: they just made a full reset, they should be fully on BPA track.
Hornets: off ball guards and bigs. Since they decided to keep Bridges and have Miller, wings shouldn't be their priority.
Blazers: wings and bigs, no way they go for another point guard.
Raptors: with the trades their made, they should be targeting bigger wings and bigs.
Memphis: fake lottery team, they'll look for bench players that are ready right away.
Utah: BPA since they haven't made a full reset yet, they'll probably blow it up in the summer.

Unless Spurs get really unlucky (and it would be about time, tbh), it should be a top5 pick.
Looking at the other teams and their needs, it's likely that Spurs will be able to pick their point guard of choice if Utah doesn't jump them.
Wizards are the only other team that needs a point guard, but they also need a big and I think they'd rather have Sarr.

[baseline bum]

Pistons: off ball guards and wings should be their interest. No way they draft a point guard or a big.
Wizards: they just made a full reset, they should be fully on BPA track.
Hornets: off ball guards and bigs. Since they decided to keep Bridges and have Miller, wings shouldn't be their priority.
Blazers: wings and bigs, no way they go for another point guard.
Raptors: with the trades their made, they should be targeting bigger wings and bigs.
Memphis: fake lottery team, they'll look for bench players that are ready right away.
Utah: BPA since they haven't made a full reset yet, they'll probably blow it up in the summer.

Unless Spurs get really unlucky (and it would be about time, tbh), it should be a top5 pick.
Looking at the other teams and their needs, it's likely that Spurs will be able to pick their point guard of choice if Utah doesn't jump them.
Wizards are the only other team that needs a point guard, but they also need a big and I think they'd rather have Sarr.

Even if the Spurs hold Portland off for fourth worst record but either pass Charlotte or lose the coin toss to them the chance they pick #6 or worse is 44.67%. If they finish third worst it's 33.02% they pick #6 or #7. If they pass Portland or tie and lose the coin toss to end up with the fifth worst record it's 55.65% they pick #6 or worse. So wouldn't have to get too unlucky to be picking #6 or lower no matter how the final games of the season shake out.

[exstatic]

What do you mean by that?

He’s a Topic hater.

[skin27]

Might need to get pick 3 or 4 to get Dillingham then grab Topic at 7? Though Topic seems like a waste if you're already getting the best guard in the class with your first pick.

I think topic is better than dillingham.

[exstatic]

I think topic is better than dillingham.

Yeah, it’s kind of lost on them that he doesn’t have to be Doncic to be far and away the best guard in this draft.

[skin27]

Yeah, it’s kind of lost on them that he doesn’t have to be Doncic to be far and away the best guard in this draft.

I just watch dillingham higlights and his not that bad. He has a jumpahot and athleticism. Either topic or dillingham is a good pick i think

[baseline bum]

He’s a Topic hater.

Because I don't think the guy who can't shoot, sucked in Euroleague, and has been pulling a Wiseman to protect his draft stock is the best guard in the draft?

[baseline bum]

Yeah, it’s kind of lost on them that he doesn’t have to be Doncic to be far and away the best guard in this draft.

The Topic stans here are the ones who keep invoking Doncic's name lol

[LeBowen]

Because I don't think the guy who can't shoot, sucked in Euroleague, and has been pulling a Wiseman to protect his draft stock is the best guard in the draft?

I fully agree.
Posted the list of European guards drafted in the lottery over the past 15 years and the only two that justified their selections were Rubio and Luka.
And both were the next big thing with ridiculous levels of hype and more importantly performances on the biggest stage backing that hype up.

If Topic didn't declare for NBA draft, most people wouldn't have heard of him.
Even if he reaches his realistic best case scenario potential, he'd still need at least three years to become a playoff worthy point guard and he'll never be anywhere close to Luka.

Much like Dirk fooled a lot of incompetent GMs into drafting European bigs that had range, Luka is fooling them into drafting European point guards.

[exstatic]

Because I don't think the guy who can't shoot, sucked in Euroleague, and has been pulling a Wiseman to protect his draft stock is the best guard in the draft?

:lol. He played a whole game and a half in Euroleague. That’s not a small sample size, it’s a picosample.

[exstatic]

I fully agree.
Posted the list of European guards drafted in the lottery over the past 15 years and the only two that justified their selections were Rubio and Luka.
And both were the next big thing with ridiculous levels of hype and more importantly performances on the biggest stage backing that hype up.

If Topic didn't declare for NBA draft, most people wouldn't have heard of him.
Even if he reaches his realistic best case scenario potential, he'd still need at least three years to become a playoff worthy point guard and he'll never be anywhere close to Luka.

Much like Dirk fooled a lot of incompetent GMs into drafting European bigs that had range, Luka is fooling them into drafting European point guards.

It’s not that he’s European, it’s that he’s 18, and was excelling and outplaying grown men.

[baseline bum]

:lol. He played a whole game and a half in Euroleague. That’s not a small sample size, it’s a picosample.

And was invisible. And then seems to have decided not to come back to Euroleague. I don't know how that doesn't send enormous red flags up for you. Was supposed to be out 4-6 weeks and here we are at week 14 with no return on the horizon.

[LeBowen]

It’s not that he’s European, it’s that he’s 18, and was excelling and outplaying grown men.

In a weak league and playing for a team that's owned by an agency and it's only purpose is to showcase young talent.

[exstatic]

In a weak league and playing for a team that's owned by an agency and it's only purpose is to showcase young talent.

And wasn’t he showcased well! Here’s the deal. Showcasing is just putting the ball in his hands. He still has to play well.

[baseline bum]

And wasn’t he showcased well! Here’s the deal. Showcasing is just putting the ball in his hands. He still has to play well.

Which he didn't once he got to a good league. And then he just shut his season down. Or even worse his knee is screwed.

[LeBowen]

And wasn’t he showcased well! Here’s the deal. Showcasing is just putting the ball in his hands. He still has to play well.

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The more I think about it, the less I want Topic.
Not even with the Raptors pick.

First of all, anyone who mentions Topic in the same sentence as Doncic is instantly irrelevant.
It's like comparing Tony with Killian Hayes just because they're both French point guards.

While we do need playmaking, our perimeter defense and floor spacing needs are as just as bad.
Topic is a negative in both those aspects and it doesn't look like he'll ever be a positive defender.
Chances of him becoming a good shooter are not great, so what's the point of wasting a top5 pick on a defensive traffic cone that can't really shoot?

The same way NBA disregarded foreign prospects back in the day, they get overhyped now.
Just think of all the European guards that turned out to be legit NBA players and developed into good pieces for championship teams.
All of them were either obvious next big things or came over late as fully developed players.
Tony was more or less the only exception, but he was one of the quickest players in history.

Foreign* guards in recent drafts:
2022: #7 Dyson Daniels
2021: #6 Josh Giddey
2020: #7 Killian Hayes
2018: #3 Luka Doncic
2017: #8 Frank Ntilikina
2015: #5 Mario Hezonja, #7 Emmanuel Mudiay
2014: #27 Bogdan Bogdanovic (came over in 2017 at 25 years old)
2013: #17 Dennis Schroeder

*Foreign as in NBA being their first American basketball experience, I'm not counting foreign players that went to college.

You have to go all the way back to 2009 and Ricky Rubio to find another legit European point guard and he was the biggest Euro point guard prospect until Luka.

While Europeans are somewhat taking over the league, it's simply not the case for point guards.
If Topic was a great shooter, I'd take him right away, but he screams bust no matter how you look at, I can't see why would anyone take him in the lottery other than Luka hype?
It wouldn't surprise me if his injury status isn't actually legit, but they're hiding him since his draft stock went way up.

[exstatic]

Which he didn't once he got to a good league. And then he just shut his season down. Or even worse his knee is screwed.

Don’t even care about that, especially if we get dropped in the draft, and it allows him to fall to us. Modern sports medicine is nearly miraculous, and if he needs surgery, then he’s a high level prospect that will have surgery.

[Mugen]

Might need to get pick 3 or 4 to get Dillingham then grab Topic at 7? Though Topic seems like a waste if you're already getting the best guard in the class with your first pick.

A) I'm fine with them picking one but will lose my shit if they get 2 picks in the top 10 and spend them both on a PG :lol
B) I personally think Topic goes before Dilly. I think Topic goes no lower than 6 while Dilly is probably in the 3-9 range

[Russ]

Because I don't think the guy who can't shoot, sucked in Euroleague, and has been pulling a Wiseman to protect his draft stock is the best guard in the draft?

Sometimes all the metrics seem to line up but the truth has a mlnd of its own.

[skin27]

It doesnt matter topic or dillingham spurstalk will still whine every game.

[Mugen]

It doesnt matter topic or dillingham spurstalk will still wine every game.

:bobo

[baseline bum]

A) I'm fine with them picking one but will lose my shit if they get 2 picks in the top 10 and spend them both on a PG :lol
B) I personally think Topic goes before Dilly. I think Topic goes no lower than 6 while Dilly is probably in the 3-9 range

Topic is such high risk when he was fattening up his numbers against scrub competition and then fell apart when having to play against Euroleague talent. I know people point to his FT shooting but Rubio was an 80% FT shooter. I don't understand when the same people who shit on Scoot for meaningless numbers against G-League competition and then him sitting out the season after a few games last year are now so pro Topic when he does the same shit.

I'm fine with Topic at pick #6-9, but too many red flags for me to want him at say #2 to #4. If Sarr, Risacher, Dilly, Sheppard, and Buzelis are off the board I'd probably rather take the risk on Topic than say Ron Holland or Cody Williams though.

[baseline bum]

It doesnt matter topic or dillingham spurstalk will still wine every game.

Nah I beer every game

[Mugen]

Topic is such high risk when he was fattening up his numbers against scrub competition and then fell apart when having to play against Euroleague talent. I know people point to his FT shooting but Rubio was an 80% FT shooter. I don't understand when the same people who shit on Scoot for meaningless numbers against G-League competition and then him sitting out the season after a few games last year are now so pro Topic when he does the same shit.

I'm fine with Topic at pick #6-9, but too many red flags for me to want him at say #2 to #4. If Sarr, Risacher, Dilly, Sheppard, and Buzelis are off the board I'd probably rather take the risk on Topic than say Ron Holland or Cody Williams though.

Topic is a flawed prospect no doubt but I wouldn't classify him as being that much more high risk than somebody like Dilly tbh. I also like Dilly and wouldn't mind if he was the Spurs pick. I just have a slight preference for Topic because I value his strengths (rim pressure and playmaking) a little bit more than Dilly's (shot creation and shooting) next to Wemby IF they were to translate to the NBA. Huge, huge IF obviously but I just can't see how you look at this shit draft and say 1 guy is way more high risk than the other.

Again, I'm fine if the pick is Dilly. What I wouldn't be fine with is your proposed scenario where they end up taking both or wasting a top 6 pick on somebody like Clingan or Sarr when they already have a top 3 Center in the league. That'd be absolutely dumb AF :lol

[Bruno]

I find it more worrisome when an European prospect struggle to shoot compared to an US prospect.

For example, if you compare Topic and Stephon Castle career path:
- A year ago, Castle was playing for Newton HS in Covington, Georgia. I'm sure their coaches were good but I doubt their focus is to create pro players and that they are able to fix a broken shoot effectively.
- Topic entered the Red Star youth program in 2020. He has been for 4 years in a system made to make pro players for their main team. A lot of experienced coaches have already try to fix his shot.

A lot more work/time has been put to fix fundamentals of an 18/19 years old Euro prospect compared to an us prospect. If the Euro prospect still sucks in certain aspect of his game, it likely means that it isn't easily fixable.

[Mugen]

I find it more worrisome when an European prospect struggle to shoot compared to an US prospect.

For example, if you compare Topic and Stephon Castle career path:
- A year ago, Castle was playing for Newton HS in Covington, Georgia. I'm sure their coaches were good but I doubt their focus is to create pro players and that they are able to fix a broken shoot effectively.
- Topic entered the Red Star youth program in 2020. He has been for 4 years in a system made to make pro players for their main team. A lot of experienced coaches have already try to fix his shot.

A lot more work/time has been put to fix fundamentals of an 18/19 years old Euro prospect compared to an us prospect. If the Euro prospect still sucks in certain aspect of his game, it likely means that it isn't easily fixable.

That's an interesting point tbh. Can you recall any Euros that couldn't shoot that ended up being average or above average?

[objective]

That's an interesting point tbh. Can you recall any Euros that couldn't shoot that ended up being average or above average?

I think Fournier shot 26% from 3 in his 2 seasons in the LNB before being drafted but has been a career 37.5% in the NBA from 3

[exstatic]

Topic is such high risk when he was fattening up his numbers against scrub competition and then fell apart when having to play against Euroleague talent. I know people point to his FT shooting but Rubio was an 80% FT shooter. I don't understand when the same people who shit on Scoot for meaningless numbers against G-League competition and then him sitting out the season after a few games last year are now so pro Topic when he does the same shit.

I'm fine with Topic at pick #6-9, but too many red flags for me to want him at say #2 to #4. If Sarr, Risacher, Dilly, Sheppard, and Buzelis are off the board I'd probably rather take the risk on Topic than say Ron Holland or Cody Williams though.

:lol I shit on Scoot for not being able to finish in an ABSOLUTE scrub league with no shot blockers. Adriatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gleague, and Topic finished like a boss in a far better league. I also didn’t care about him sitting out at the end. I doubt NBA GMs did, either. A group of them encouraged Wemby to sit out THE ENTIRE SEASON. I don’t think it’s the scarlet letter you think it is. Also, the Wiseman comparisons don’t jive. He had eligibility issues, and Penny asked him to sit out. It seems that you’re implying that if you sit out, somehow that automatically will cause you to bust, and that doesn’t really track.

The Spurs could also be playing games again, asking him to sit. They’re not above such tactics, with Batum’s fake heart condition coming to mind. His agent, who is also Wemby’s, played right along. They should have known that players with medicals were catnip to that Blazers front office. :lol

[objective]

In general I agree with Bruno on the coaching. These guys have been pros in Europe.

Samanic couldn't shoot in Europe at any level including Spanish B division and he still can't shoot

[rascal]

I find it more worrisome when an European prospect struggle to shoot compared to an US prospect.

For example, if you compare Topic and Stephon Castle career path:
- A year ago, Castle was playing for Newton HS in Covington, Georgia. I'm sure their coaches were good but I doubt their focus is to create pro players and that they are able to fix a broken shoot effectively.
- Topic entered the Red Star youth program in 2020. He has been for 4 years in a system made to make pro players for their main team. A lot of experienced coaches have already try to fix his shot.

A lot more work/time has been put to fix fundamentals of an 18/19 years old Euro prospect compared to an us prospect. If the Euro prospect still sucks in certain aspect of his game, it likely means that it isn't easily fixable.

Just looking at both player's forms, Topic's form looks better. Castle looks stiff in the upper body and plays and shoots stiff and upright.

[rascal]

:lol I shit on Scoot for not being able to finish in an ABSOLUTE scrub league with no shot blockers. Adriatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gleague, and Topic finished like a boss in a far better league. I also didn’t care about him sitting out at the end. I doubt NBA GMs did, either. A group of them encouraged Wemby to sit out THE ENTIRE SEASON. I don’t think it’s the scarlet letter you think it is. Also, the Wiseman comparisons don’t jive. He had eligibility issues, and Penny asked him to sit out. It seems that you’re implying that if you sit out, somehow that automatically will cause you to bust, and that doesn’t really track.

The Spurs could also be playing games again, asking him to sit. They’re not above such tactics, with Batum’s fake heart condition coming to mind. His agent, who is also Wemby’s, played right along. They should have known that players with medicals were catnip to that Blazers front office. :lol

You thought so when it applied to Shaedon Sharpe. I guess it matters with who the prospect is for you.

[taps]

We’re not beating Denver.

Jamal Murray is probable for this game too

[objective]

Wonder if Topic will be at the Chicago combine or stick to Europe

Curious what his measurements like wingspan really are, and if he's expanded his cervical vertebra even more in his time off

[exstatic]

You thought so when it applied to Shaedon Sharpe. I guess it matters with who the prospect is for you.

Sharpe never played AT ALL. The whole Kentucky thing was a PR stunt. NOT THE SAME THING, AT ALL.

[baseline bum]

:lol I shit on Scoot for not being able to finish in an ABSOLUTE scrub league with no shot blockers. Adriatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gleague, and Topic finished like a boss in a far better league. I also didn’t care about him sitting out at the end. I doubt NBA GMs did, either. A group of them encouraged Wemby to sit out THE ENTIRE SEASON. I don’t think it’s the scarlet letter you think it is. Also, the Wiseman comparisons don’t jive. He had eligibility issues, and Penny asked him to sit out. It seems that you’re implying that if you sit out, somehow that automatically will cause you to bust, and that doesn’t really track.

The Spurs could also be playing games again, asking him to sit. They’re not above such tactics, with Batum’s fake heart condition coming to mind. His agent, who is also Wemby’s, played right along. They should have known that players with medicals were catnip to that Blazers front office. :lol

LOL G-League is filled with NBA first round and second round picks and acting like ABA is some juggernaut in comparison. Also ROFL at the idea that the Spurs could convince a guy to sabotage his draft stock and cost himself millions of dollars instead of the simple explanation that either he's sitting out to preserve his draft stock or he's way more injured than letting on. Wemby is like Tim or Kobe when it comes to competitiveness; no way in hell he would ever sit out a season to preserve draft stock. Worried Topic is another Samanic or Andrew Wiggins when we don't see him back nor see any explanation for why he's out 14 weeks for a 4-6 weeks injury. Not like he's going to be able to hide it from team doctors before the draft so kind of stupid if he's hiding the injury being worse.

[TVI]

So I'm pretty ambivalent about this draft. No one really excites me as a great fit for the Spurs. I think Risacher has a high ceiling, but none of the mock drafts have him going to the Spurs. They seem locked on Topic if he's available.

It might be a good thing if the Toronto pick doesn't convey this year. It's conceivable that the Spurs could have 5 1st round draft picks in 2025:

Their Own
CHA 15-30
TOR 7-30 (top 6 protected) if it doesn't convey this year
ATL
CHI 11-30 (top 10 protected)

[baseline bum]

Sharpe never played AT ALL. The whole Kentucky thing was a PR stunt. NOT THE SAME THING, AT ALL.

And Topic pulled the plug after a game and a half the first time against serious competition when he was getting exposed.

[Ariel]

You thought so when it applied to Shaedon Sharpe. I guess it matters with who the prospect is for you.
Shaedon Sharpe had a worse FG% than Sochan and similar 3P% and FT%, yet you rate the former as a demigod and the latter as a scrub, so I'd be wary of pointing the finger at someone else in regards to bias.

[Rubberducky]

Celtics are resting the entire starting lineup and Al Horford tonight against the Hornets.

[exstatic]

And Topic pulled the plug after a game and a half the first time against serious competition when he was getting exposed.

He got injured. Your willingness to put the worst spin on everything about this kid is kind of sad.

[baseline bum]

He got injured. Your willingness to put the worst spin on everything about this kid is kind of sad.

LOL CIA Pop told him to sit and he agreed is the worst spin I have seen on Topic's not playing since getting destroyed in Euroleague

[rascal]

Shaedon Sharpe had a worse FG% than Sochan and similar 3P% and FT%, yet you rate the former as a demigod and the latter as a scrub, so I'd be wary of pointing the finger at someone else in regards to bias.

Career stats


Sharpe FG% 44.5% Sochan 44.4%
Sharpe 3pt% 35% Sochan 28.5%

[exstatic]

LOL CIA Pop told him to sit and he agreed is the worst spin I have seen on Topic's not playing since getting destroyed in Euroleague

I didn’t say they told him to, just that I wouldn’t put it past them, based on past actions. You’re a math genius,bb, but your reading comprehension is c+ at best.

[baseline bum]

I didn’t say they told him to, just that I wouldn’t put it past them, based on past actions. You’re a math genius,bb, but your reading comprehension is c+ at best.

It's a stupid thing to keep bringing up since no one who was getting #1 pick hype like early season Topic would give up a chance at that and risk a nearly 50% paycut if he falls to say #9 and you should run from it like you are now. But then you'll probably post muh CIA Pop again in a couple of days when people point out how much of a risk Topic is and how bad a look it is for him to never return to Euroleague play after getting destroyed there.

[rascal]

I didn’t say they told him to, just that I wouldn’t put it past them, based on past actions. You’re a math genius,bb, but your reading comprehension is c+ at best.

It's a reach to even imply that the Spurs have told Topic to sit.

Why would he listen to the Spurs? They aren't guaranteed the top pick.

[exstatic]

It's a reach to even imply that the Spurs have told Topic to sit.

Why would he listen to the Spurs? They aren't guaranteed the top pick.

WEMBY

[spurraider21]

:lmao he's still at it

[Gandalf]

Just looking at both player's forms, Topic's form looks better. Castle looks stiff in the upper body and plays and shoots stiff and upright.

Are you saying this proves Bruno’s point? I.e., Topic’s ‘form’ has already been fixed, and he’s near his peak abilities as far as shooting, whereas guys like Castle still need to fix their form and therefore have more room for substantial improvement?

[scott]

LOL G-League is filled with NBA first round and second round picks and acting like ABA is some juggernaut in comparison. Also ROFL at the idea that the Spurs could convince a guy to sabotage his draft stock and cost himself millions of dollars instead of the simple explanation that either he's sitting out to preserve his draft stock or he's way more injured than letting on. Wemby is like Tim or Kobe when it comes to competitiveness; no way in hell he would ever sit out a season to preserve draft stock. Worried Topic is another Samanic or Andrew Wiggins when we don't see him back nor see any explanation for why he's out 14 weeks for a 4-6 weeks injury. Not like he's going to be able to hide it from team doctors before the draft so kind of stupid if he's hiding the injury being worse.

Why all the Andrew Wiggins slander? He'd easily be the #1 overall in this class, and any of these scrubs will be lucky to have his career :lol

[baseline bum]

Why all the Andrew Wiggins slander? He'd easily be the #1 overall in this class, and any of these scrubs will be lucky to have his career :lol

He's got kind of a lazy reputation. I remember Jimmy Butler going nuts over how little Wiggins worked on his game when they were both in Minnesota.

[jjspur]

I have a theory that there are two camps in the spurs front office. One that is really shitty at drafting and one that is decent at it. Its like they take turns doing it. Samanic and Primo were selected based on potential by the dumb asses and everyone else was selected by the other camp. Wemby was a no brainer for either camp.

The thing to note is that there is a lot of pressure on front offices to get it right and sometimes they pass and sometimes they fail terribly. If we get a top 5 pick, I hope the dumb asses sit this draft out. We need to get it right so the franchise can move forward and not waste a year or two of Wemby's career on trying to mold a draft pick(s) into something they aren't and never will be. The last 10 games or so have shown that the team is now Wemby's. Any pick or trade should be made to help him make the team better sooner rather than later. I can see him be really pissed if we go the development route again

We have some talent and we have a lot of future picks. Hopefully they will draft wisely and not so much based on potential since that rarely pays off immediately - and this weak draft has several players with more potential than actual skill. I know its not easy but come on Spurs, do your homework on this draft and get it right.

[BatManu20]

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[Dejounte]

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Dream draft right now: Spurs get both Matas and Castle (I’ve come around on him after reviewing more film)

[Ariel]

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Should be noted that what happened in 4 of the last 5 lotteries bares no importance whatsoever to what is going to happen next.

[Ariel]

Dream draft right now: Spurs get both Matas and Castle (I’ve come around on him after reviewing more film)
I'm still team Dillingham, but I'm fine with that draft.

[Dejounte]

I'm still team Dillingham, but I'm fine with that draft.

Dilly’s in my tier 1 list and it would have been so easy for him to be alone there if his defense was just average.

however…

I glued my eyes to Dilly’s defensive tape and the remarks about his poor defense are not overblown. It is horrendous. He’s often getting blown by and left to dust. I had Forbes flashbacks.

but his potential on offense is so good he stays in my tier 1 list.

[BatManu20]

Worst draft to (potentially) have 3 picks in. Wouldn’t be surprised if they try to trade one of them for future capital, especially if theirs conveys.

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[scott]

Worst draft to (potentially) have 3 picks in. Wouldn’t be surprised if they try to trade one of them for future capital, especially if theirs conveys.

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If the Raptors end up with pick 6, I wonder if they'd do something like that pick for the TOR'25 + CHA'25 pick. Essentially they'd be lifting the protections so the pick conveys this year in exchange for a couple of future seconds, and they don't have to worry about the pick going to the Spurs in 2025 or 2026.

[mo7888]

Dream draft right now: Spurs get both Matas and Castle (I’ve come around on him after reviewing more film)

I'd be happy with that draft

[TD 21]

If the Raptors end up with pick 6, I wonder if they'd do something like that pick for the TOR'25 + CHA'25 pick. Essentially they'd be lifting the protections so the pick conveys this year in exchange for a couple of future seconds, and they don't have to worry about the pick going to the Spurs in 2025 or 2026.

Not a chance. Their treadmill team should naturally be in a similar range next season around the trade deadline/All-Star break and they'll just tank again and take their chances on worming their way out of the final two seasons until it converts to multiple 2nds.

Keep in mind, their principle owner Tanenbaum is a friend/mentor to Silver (Knicks spilled the beans on this publicly in their lawsuit), their shady POBO Ujiri is also buddies with him from their annual "Giants of Africa" camps in the summer and their GM Webster came from the league office.

This is also a league consumed with globalization and this franchise has conveniently always had lottery luck when they've been down.

[scott]

Not a chance. Their treadmill team should naturally be in a similar range next season around the trade deadline/All-Star break and they'll just tank again and take their chances on worming their way out of the final two seasons until it converts to multiple 2nds.

Keep in mind, their principle owner Tanenbaum is a friend/mentor to Silver (Knicks spilled the beans on this publicly in their lawsuit), their shady POBO Ujiri is also buddies with him from their annual "Giants of Africa" camps in the summer and their GM Webster came from the league office.

This is also a league consumed with globalization and this franchise has conveniently always had lottery luck when they've been down.

Yeah, I remember how the Raptors have won the lottery for three of the best big man prospects in history.

Lay off the conspiracy crack pipe.

[TD 21]

Yeah, I remember how the Raptors have won the lottery for three of the best big man prospects in history.

Lay off the conspiracy crack pipe.

Yeah, because they were in contention for them, weren't they?

I didn't say the Spurs haven't benefitted or that the rigging has only benefitted the Craptors.

[scott]

Yeah, because they were in contention for them, weren't they?

I didn't say the Spurs haven't benefitted or that the rigging has only benefitted the Craptors.

Raptors were a lottery team last year. Why didn't Silver gift his buddies Wemby?

[baseline bum]

Dream draft right now: Spurs get both Matas and Castle (I’ve come around on him after reviewing more film)

If we still had Chip I'd probably have Castle #1 on my board since he does everything other than shoot well while also having great size. Without Chip though Castle is a real gamble, especially if you have to take him say #3 or #4.

[TD 21]

Raptors were a lottery team last year. Why didn't Silver gift his buddies Wemby?

They had the 13th best odds, so they weren't a legit candidate.

Their relationship with the league office is also well known throughout the league, so it would have looked especially bad had something like that happened.

[spurs1990]

Reptiles went 3-21 to finish the season. Monumental throwing away games to secure their pick.

[alfahdlan]

Dream draft right now: Spurs get both Matas and Castle (I’ve come around on him after reviewing more film)

I’m Still on Sheppard with the Toronto pick. If I remember it right at the start of the season Spurs want to play fast. Imagine what Reed can do with a fast team.

[cjw]

Reptiles went 3-21 to finish the season. Monumental throwing away games to secure their pick.

Still a 54.15% chance that the pick conveys to the Spurs. Though had they been 7th, then the odds would have been over 68% that the pick would convey.

[BackHome]

Dilly’s in my tier 1 list and it would have been so easy for him to be alone there if his defense was just average.

however…

I glued my eyes to Dilly’s defensive tape and the remarks about his poor defense are not overblown. It is horrendous. He’s often getting blown by and left to dust. I had Forbes flashbacks.

but his potential on offense is so good he stays in my tier 1 list.

I believe I read an article from Bleacher report that basically said that Dilly may be the worse defender in the entire draft .,ouch.

[rascal]

I believe I read an article from Bleacher report that basically said that Dilly may be the worse defender in the entire draft .,ouch.

This is why I doubt the Spurs will have any interest in him.

[spurraider21]

This is why I doubt the Spurs will have any interest in him.
the president and head coach said malaki branham has been wonderful, so i dont think bad defense is a disqualifier anymore

[Degoat]

I think one Topic or Matas will be a spur, seem like fits around wemby.

[duncan2150]

the president and head coach said malaki branham has been wonderful, so i dont think bad defense is a disqualifier anymore

The expectations are not the same for branham and and a top 5 pick imo

[rascal]

And Topic pulled the plug after a game and a half the first time against serious competition when he was getting exposed.

Sharpe got on Kentucky at mid season when they were already playing around the same time Topic shut it down. So both players didn't play( Sharpe not in game shape and coming out of high school and Topic injured) around the same time after joining new teams.

Bottom line both players are hiding possibly poor performances that may hurt their draft stock. Exstatic was off Sharpe for sitting and now change for Topic so my statement stands it depends on the player.

[JPB]

Should be noted that what happened in 4 of the last 5 lotteries bares no importance whatsoever to what is going to happen next.

Where's the 'Probability' thread'? :lol

[rascal]

the president and head coach said malaki branham has been wonderful, so i dont think bad defense is a disqualifier anymore

The head coach and president aren't going to trash their players.

[spurraider21]

The head coach and president aren't going to trash their players.
nah but pop went out of his way to single out branham as a guy who he thought has come along great this season

[Extra Stout]

nah but pop went out of his way to single out branham as a guy who he thought has come along great this season
I think that’s referring to his improved grasp of post-colonial African history, not basketball.

[itzsoweezee]

the president and head coach said malaki branham has been wonderful, so i dont think bad defense is a disqualifier anymore

And they also made Bryn Forbes a focal point of the roster for a stupid amount of time

[mudyez]

R.I.P. thread!

It was a good time. :violin

[scott]

End of Watch

[DPG21920]

I was legit worried with how hard TOR tanked to end the season that it was going to screw SA badly here….I think the pick likely would have conveyed next year but didnt want to risk it when TOR was this bad now and odds of a top 10 pick where highest. Glad it worked out and SA got into top 4 despite winning to end the year. Great all around.

[LeBowen]

Fuck Masai, his entire reputation was built on Pop wanting to send Kawhi far away.

Just look at all the moves he made since they won, lost his entire championship starting lineup for more or less nothing and then gave up some more assets.

[Mr. Body]

Fuck Masai, his entire reputation was built on Pop wanting to send Kawhi far away.

Just look at all the moves he made since they won, lost his entire championship starting lineup for more or less nothing and then gave up some more assets.

Most of those trades were because those players were getting huge paydays. They had to move from pretty much all of them. The only question is whether they waited too long.

[LeBowen]

Most of those trades were because those players were getting huge paydays. They had to move from pretty much all of them. The only question is whether they waited too long.

Exactly. He tried to hardball everyone, pretending to be an elite poker player and everyone called his bluff.
Then it was too late to get any value back.
His refusal to tank set them back by a lot and now they're left with nothing and will treadmill for some time.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the Craptors and their phony, media (buddies) contrived reputation in shambles, trading the 8th pick + for a limited starter at an oversaturated position, in a last gasp attempt to sneak into the playoffs, where they'd have been summarily dismissed anyway.

[Atl Spur]

People still can’t accept Brian’s work……classic! Go Spurs Go, now some of you go paint your face!

[LeBowen]

People still can’t accept Brian’s work……classic! Go Spurs Go, now some of you go paint your face!

He's been a great salesman, got a lot of value whenever we sent a good player away.
His drafting record is really questionable.
We weren't in the position to trade for any stars yet.

If he fucks up the draft again, he needs to go.
Hopefully it's finally a draft where we don't look back and regret not picking future all-stars.

[Mr. Body]

Again, not to overly defend the recent drafts. I get there's a lot of piss-mouth pessimism about Branham and Wesley, but please go back to that draft and tell us how they really blew those picks.

The only real mistakes were Primo over Sengun and Samanic, who wasn't even a lottery pick and had a bad attitude. They got Keldon later anyway.

So, for your pissing and moaning, explain how they've truly been that bad.

[Atl Spur]

They haven’t been compared to the NBA as a whole but a narrative must be maintained vs saying we are COOKING!

[Atl Spur]

Atl is lucky as hell!

[LeBowen]

Again, not to overly defend the recent drafts. I get there's a lot of piss-mouth pessimism about Branham and Wesley, but please go back to that draft and tell us how they really blew those picks.

The only real mistakes were Primo over Sengun and Samanic, who wasn't even a lottery pick and had a bad attitude. They got Keldon later anyway.

So, for your pissing and moaning, explain how they've truly been that bad.

Lmao, you just explained it yourself.

Primo over Sengun was horrible, everyone expected Spurs to pick Sengun and noone expected Primo to even be picked in the lottery.
Sochan is non-shooting wing on a bad shooting team. We knew he wouldn't be able to shoot. Jalen Williams was there.

Branham is another treadmill shooting guard. You don't pick damn shooting guards in 2024 unless they're projected to be elite shooters on positive defenders.
You can find dozens of Branham wherever you want, you don't use a FRP on a Branham.
I guess they saw something in Wesley, but he's a point guard who can't actually run the team and his shot is somehow even worse than Sochans. Two massive busts.
Meanwhile, Jovic and Nembhard are starters on playoff teams.
2022 draft was an unmitigated disaster.
Instead of an all-star in the making and two good role players we have a wannabe Rodman who's ceiling is a glue guy off the bench and two scrubs who will be out of the league in a year.

It all worked out because we got Wemby, but if those balls bounced the other way, we'd be the worst team in the league right now.
I'm not letting Wright off the hook for 2022 and 2021 drafts until he proves he's got what it takes to pick the best prospect when things aren't obvious.

[CGD]

The Kawhi trade official expands.

[exstatic]

The Kawhi trade official expands.

We also have the Chicago pick from the DD trade. Plus, if we get anything in a Keldon trade, that goes on the pile, too.

[Mr. Body]

Lmao, you just explained it yourself.

Primo over Sengun was horrible, everyone expected Spurs to pick Sengun and noone expected Primo to even be picked in the lottery.
Sochan is non-shooting wing on a bad shooting team. We knew he wouldn't be able to shoot. Jalen Williams was there.

Branham is another treadmill shooting guard. You don't pick damn shooting guards in 2024 unless they're projected to be elite shooters on positive defenders.
You can find dozens of Branham wherever you want, you don't use a FRP on a Branham.
I guess they saw something in Wesley, but he's a point guard who can't actually run the team and his shot is somehow even worse than Sochans. Two massive busts.
Meanwhile, Jovic and Nembhard are starters on playoff teams.
2022 draft was an unmitigated disaster.
Instead of an all-star in the making and two good role players we have a wannabe Rodman who's ceiling is a glue guy off the bench and two scrubs who will be out of the league in a year.

It all worked out because we got Wemby, but if those balls bounced the other way, we'd be the worst team in the league right now.
I'm not letting Wright off the hook for 2022 and 2021 drafts until he proves he's got what it takes to pick the best prospect when things aren't obvious.

Man, tell me who they should have picked other than Branham. He's not even developed yet.

The ONLY miss you can point to is Primo. And that's it. Just settle down.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't even know who that player is :lol I know Hilliard played here for a short while cause nobody wanted him

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[scott]

Again, not to overly defend the recent drafts. I get there's a lot of piss-mouth pessimism about Branham and Wesley, but please go back to that draft and tell us how they really blew those picks.

The only real mistakes were Primo over Sengun and Samanic, who wasn't even a lottery pick and had a bad attitude. They got Keldon later anyway.

So, for your pissing and moaning, explain how they've truly been that bad.

I wouldn't say Wright has been bad at drafting. Just average. But average isn't good enough for this elite franchise. We should hold higher standards.

With that said, Wright has been MASTERFUL at acquiring capital by sending out players and setting up the rebuild (Phase I). It cannot be understated how excellent he has been in this regard.

HOWEVER, that period is over... so now it is time for Wright (and associated persons, including Pop and RC) to be better at drafting (Phase II) and display the same sort of excellence in building a contender (Phase III) that was demonstrated in accumulating capital and tearing the team down. Excellence in these areas is requisite. No one gets a pass for being average to bad in phases II and III just because they were great at Phase I.

[heyheymymy]

Needle threaded.

[Atl Spur]

…………. lol